January 9, 2024 • 26 mins
Bethenny has decided to give herself a true and raw watching experience of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City finale. Find out her thoughts and expectations before watching it and then hear her reveal after.
Will her initial take hold up or will she even shock herself? It’s the ultimate before and after experience…all in one episode!
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
So I keep hearing about the Salt Lake City finale,
and I have so many thoughts before even watching it.
I'm going to watch it, and I'm going to tell
you what I think after I watch it, but having
not watched it, I want to tell you what I
think about the whole concept beforehand. Okay, So people like
Jennifer Lawrence are saying it was the most riveting television
(00:33):
they've ever seen, and you know how people like Julia
Roberts on watch What Happens Live talking about housewives in general,
and the medium and the genre has evolved, devolved changed,
and here's what I really think. So what was explained
to me was that this girl seems like a sociopath
(00:54):
and that she's the villain, she's happy to play the villain,
that she was a show fan, that she had to
hate account. People have hate accounts about me. People that
I know on the Housewives have had many people who
have had hate accounts about them. And what I do
know to be true is while you make some friendships,
like friendships, like people that you can enjoy, people that
(01:18):
I like, like Sonya, who I text occasionally, but not
that I see every day, not people that you know
you've been able to sustain as a ride or die.
It's next to impossible to sustain a ride or die
on the Housewives. So I know that Teresa and Melissa
weren't BFFs, but like, it's really disintegrated their relationship. Look
(01:41):
at Dina Manzo and her family disintegrated relationships. Nini's been
through so many relationships. It really took a toll on
Jill and my relationship, which hadn't been going on that
long beforehand. It didn't have the strong foundation that some
might have before going in there, and still disintegrated Carol
in myself. It goes on and on, Eric and List
(02:03):
So we're locked.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
At the hip. Best friends.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yes they're friendly now, but they're not the same level
of friendship. Because the show makes you need these alliances.
It just makes the concentration strategic. And it's not intentional.
It's not on purpose. You're not just saying, oh, sometimes
you are. Sometimes people are being friends with someone or
aligning or having allegiances or alliances because of the show.
(02:27):
They know the show's coming back. They've got to have
people to cling on to. Everyone's going to hate them
once everybody hates one person. It's a feeding frenzy. Every
scene is about that. You know, what goes up must
come down, and it's a zero sum game. Someone's always
hated or loved. But what I will say is that
it is next to impossible to sustain positive relationships, whether romantic.
(02:49):
But that's easier than friendships because with romantic the spouse
or the boyfriend is usually not is not the main character,
so they can not film much and they're not as
much on the front lines. So now we realize that
a lot of it's not real, that a lot of
it's manufactured.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
That people.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Go to jail, that people have sort of alter egos,
that people have secret lives, infidelity, owe people money, have
illegal practices, have different scandals associated with them. So we
realize that a lot of this is fraudulent. We realize
that people definitely don't have the money they.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Say they do.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
They may not live in the cities they're pretending to
live in, they may not own the houses they're pretending
to own in or the cars they're pretending to own.
So it's all pretty fraudulent and it's really for theatrics.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
No problem.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
The Hills was similar, So now we're trying to assign
real relationships to a show that is based on casted relationships.
The relationships and the friendships for the most part, and
the tight knit aspect of.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The group is usually not real.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
People become friends with the people, or spend time with
the people, or have to go on vacation with the
people because they're working with them, they're filming with them.
It's no different than you working down the office from
Jane that you may have to go to a company
retreat with, or you may have to see in the breakroom,
or you just see it work every day. You're not
hanging out with them or doing holidays with them. So
(04:21):
now it's this alternate universe where you're friends with people,
you're not friends with them, and it's the upside down
because you think it's real and it's not. And I've
never ever learned more about people than when we've gotten
off the show. That's when I really start to like
a lot of the housewives because I'm not on the
battlefield with them. I don't have to see them either
(04:42):
as sort of a manufactured alliance or an enemy. They're
just people that I know socially that I'll see out
and I can appreciate for who they are. They don't
have to be my everything, they don't have to be
my nothing. So now you have a person who was
a fan and wanted some level of fame and had
accountants and wanted on that show so badly, and this
(05:03):
person got what they wanted. They don't care about any
of these people, and maybe they're more authentic than most
because they're walking into this experience saying I'm coming in,
I'm on the battlefield. No one really cares about anybody
else in this whole experience, So I'm gonna walk in
that way. I'm walking in not giving a shit. I'm
walking in casting myself not as somebody who's going to
(05:24):
be beloved, but as the villain. So while everybody's around
here pretending everybody's best friends, and I've been filtrated this
group of really good friends, which is bullshit because all
these people are constantly trashing each other and fighting. Anyway,
I'm walking in as a villain. So when I get
caught as a villain, and I get caught as being
someone who hates these people, I'm dispassionate because I never
(05:46):
promised any of them anything.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
None of them are paying my rent.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I came in here for fame, for relevance, for reality TV,
the bag of bullshit that it is.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So this woman.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I haven't seen it yet, but from what I understands,
it seems like a sociopath because she acted like she
was friends with everybody and played this role where she
was part of this group when she was really their enemy.
I completely understand why this other woman, Heather, would feel
completely violated, also by production and by the whole entire experience,
because she feels like she's sleeping with the enemy. She's
(06:18):
living in the same house with the enemy. But on
reality TV, most people are the enemy. I've seen people
that have called up shows where I'm supposed to do
a hosting gig for shows, called up shows these people
are supposed to be my friends, and called up those
shows and said, why Bethany not me, I'm so much
better than her. I've had people call up brands that
I'm working with and say why not me. I've had
(06:42):
every single situation where different.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Housewives have trashed me.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I've had Andy Cohen trashed me to other housewives, and
other housewives trash me.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
To Andy Cohen.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
This is what goes on in this environment. So for
someone like Jennifer Lawrence. To love it as entertainment, that's
one thing. But whether it's Jennifer Lawrence, Julia Roberts, or
Jane in the cul de Sac in Ohio, they all
need to know that these are actual, real human beings
on these shows playing a role.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's like, entertain me, you're in front of the king.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They're jesters. Entertain me at any cost. It doesn't matter.
You're gonna go to jail, You're gonna be accused of something.
Someone's gonna rat someone out, someone's gonna have a hate
account on someone, someone's gonna say that someone's money isn't real.
It's all's fair in love and war in this thing.
And so maybe in some cases now I'm starting to
realize that everybody, I guess does have to realize what they.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Sign up for.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I did not know that that's what I was signing
up for all those years ago, which is why I
left multiple times. So now I'm gonna say the public
service announcement to anyone signing up for reality TV, you
are signing up to possibly go to jail, be called
a fraud, be called a cheat, or be called a liar,
to be tempted to actually be a cheater, to actually
(08:04):
be a liar, to want to pretend you have more
money than you actually do, to want to rent cars,
to keep up with the jones, is to have to
look rich. It doesn't matter if you are rich. It
just matters if you look rich. It doesn't matter if
you're a good person. It just matters if the audience
thinks you're a good person. It doesn't matter if you're
a villain. As long as you're a good villain that
(08:24):
people love to hate. You need to be loved or
someone who people love to hate. Don't get stuck in
the middle. That's the riptide. That's when you get fired
from the show. So if you're trying to be famous
and you're going in there and you want to be relevant,
whoever that girl is, I think her name is Monica.
She accomplished her goal. So I don't know if she's
a sociopath. I don't know if she's a genius. It
(08:45):
doesn't matter. She walked in, she was a nobody, and
now everybody's talking about her, and she's a somebody. You
go in, you have an affair, You fuck around with
somebody that you know. Alas Vanderpump rules, and the show
has higher ratings and had so scandal sells, hate sells,
hate accounts sell and evidently being a villain or being
(09:08):
a sociopath also sells. It's all about the Benjamin's baby,
It's all about business, the production company, Bravo, and that girl.
They're all winning, and so are the victims. Heather's winning too.
Everybody's winning because none of it's real, none of it
ever mattered, And no one should walk into reality television
(09:29):
or the Housewives for that matter, thinking this is where
you're going to forge real, genuine, authentic, meaningful, spiritual, deep
relationships that enrich your life.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's a cesspool, it's a garbage dump.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Go in there and get dirty and grab everything you
can and pay those women anything that they want because
they're in the mudpit getting dirty and it might.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Just affect the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Exploitation with comp compensation, that's what they should get. So
what strikes me about the Salt Lake City Monica character
(10:18):
is that within the show, we're seeing these trolls that
we see on tiktoks. There are hate pages about people.
People host live instagrams and TikTok events where they just
trash other people and speculate on their lives, their money,
their sex, their relationships, and they thrive on it. And
(10:39):
there are a lot of these trolls. This is a
very common thing. It's just that she's in plain sight. Now.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
We see it all the time, people thriving.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And the funny thing about it is that everyone's acting
so surprised because the name of the game on Housewives,
the name of the game, the number one name of
the game on.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Housewives is exposed.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Everybody's everything, So anybody would have exposed jen Shaw. This
girl is just doing it as a sniper from the side.
Everybody exposes everything. It could be something Luan's kids are doing.
It could be something jen Shaw's doing. It could be
something that anyone has in their past. Everything has to
(11:25):
come to the surface on Housewives. That's what the producers want,
That's what Bravo wants.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
There can be no secrets.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Why is it that we have Teresa talking about Melissa's
husband Joe and speculations about women that he's been with.
Why is everybody always digging to look for stuff on
Teresa's husband, Like everybody's acting like this isn't how everybody
is And this is what the name of the game is.
(11:55):
This is just a situation where the person didn't probably
really as they'd ever get on the show, and they
had this account doing it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
But you can ask anyone.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I've seen dms to and from Jill and Derinda and
everybody from this franchise. With people gossiping, that's how people
find a lot of their information. People civilians text Housewives
and give them information and then they bring it into
the show.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
This happens with everyone.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
This woman just reflects something that is completely rampant and
that we've all seen a million times. It's just that
now she's a cast member. That's what makes it so different.
But I have had so many people from the show, Sonya, Derinda,
all of them show me and talk to me about
messages that fans have sent saying this is this, this
(12:48):
one's doing that, Ramona is doing this, Sonya's doing that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That's not real. This isn't real. That's not a real job,
it's not a real product.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That business person really wanted to go into business with me,
the Tipsy Girl guy, for example, that guy I wanted
to go into business with. This one and that one
and the other one. Everything about the Housewives is about
information and dirt as currency. This is just the one
episode that is highlighting and showcasing it, and the four
women standing on the beach looking aghast as if this
(13:17):
is something so shocking. They're just shocked that the wolf
is in sheep's clothing living in their house. But everybody
is an iteration of this the sala He's crashed a
party at the White House that they were grifters. Jenshaw
went to jail for fraud. Erica Jane's husband was defrauding
(13:40):
people out of their retirement and taking playing crash victims money.
Dorrit and p K have been accused of owing people
money and things not being what they seem. Kyle's husband
accused of infidelity, like Luan trying to Alley that Dennis
(14:01):
and I were cheating while he was still married or
because I was still legally married.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
This is the name of this game.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So that's why when I see people like Jennifer Lawrence,
who I'm a big fan of glamorizing it, or John
Hamm or Julia Roberts, they don't realize what this entire
cesspool that I was knee deep in the middle of
for several years perpetuates and It was never as bad
as it is now. It is another level now, Garcelle
(14:31):
her Son, he was getting threats online. Wasn't Lisa werenna
accused of being some account or of calling some publicist.
Wasn't the dog in Lisa vander Pump. Wasn't there a
situation where there was, like some other publicists, the source
talking about that dog or that situation with that dog
(14:52):
gate It's endless. Was it Jill Zarren's assistant who asked
for the funeral to be filmed? This is what this
show is about. This is just the single crystallization of
this aspect. Every successful member of this franchise is guilty
of this crime.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Let's go back to the beginning. Let's go back to
the book Coop.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Without a badge on the table to expose Danielle in
her past engage, nineteen times criminal record, blah blah blah,
Alex McCord nude pictures. That's what this show is about.
And anyone that wants to pretend that this show is
about female empowerment, women elevating women, women supporting women laws
(15:39):
is delusional. It's about the demise of women. It's about
the gotcha of women. It's about the trashing of women.
It's about the catching other women in mistakes. It's about
finding out that someone's not worth the amount that they
say they're worth, that they're sleeping with someone who they
say they're not sleeping with, that they don't really come
(16:01):
from where they come from, that their accent isn't really real.
That's what the entire show is about. Accountability to the core,
but to a damaging effect. People have gone to jail.
Multiple people have gone to jail. How many mugshots like
That's what the show is about. So any person celebrating
the show is celebrating that I walked out twice. Someone's
(16:26):
got an addiction issue, someone's over consuming.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
What's happening.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Is it being handled, No, it's being exposed. Is it
under the guise of being for their best interest?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Baby? Is it truthfully? Just gotcha?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
They say that they're recovering, and we know that they're drinking.
Bring it to the table. When Jill's Arren and I
came back after a summer hiatus, the first thing she
said to me is you didn't call Bobby when he
had cancer. It didn't matter if that was entirely true.
The first thing I said to Carol when I came back,
was that Adam wanted to be paid for a relief trip.
The point of the matter is the rules of engagement
(17:02):
on the Housewives are dig up every piece of dirt
that you can put it in the middle, because it
takes the energy, emphasis, and focus off of you and
puts it on someone else. What kind of worse example
can we set for our daughters than that? Do another rant?
Once I watch, I don't think it will be all
that different.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Watch what happens.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So I finished the Salt Lake City finale, and it's
a very interesting dynamic because the one girl, Monica, is
the gossip girl, and it sounds like her account is
definitely comprised of information from a lot of different people.
(17:58):
That's what happens in this sphere. It's constant exchanging and
lots of dms from civilians, from people in the Bravo
crossover sphere, and that's what basically happens. And that's why
things like Bravocon really concentrate all of that, because Bravocon
(18:19):
is like a massive Bravo trip, Like if the Real
Housewives of New York go to Mexico, Bravocon is bringing
all of the different shows into one place, so it's
that in greater scale, and that's where all kinds of
information is shared and everything does come to light. And
(18:39):
this girl walked in as one of these troll blogger
people that takes other people down. She's just a Hall
of Fame version of what all housewives do, which is
constantly dig up and expose information about each other. This
woman just did it in a very stealthy and sleuth
(19:00):
like manner where she was the self elected villain who
was going to accumulate all of this gossip about a
bunch of different people. And it did sound like it
did start with Jenshaw and she said the rest were
collateral damage because people just talk about everyone. That's just
what this is about. And the name of the game
(19:22):
is exposure. And all of the girls, I actually think
the girls say, I don't know the show that well,
but I've met Lisa and they all seem like fairly
nice people overall. It's just the nature of this beast
that it's killed or be killed. And they weren't very
articulate in just screaming at each other and you're a
piece of shit, and you're a piece of shit, And
(19:44):
it did sound like there's a lot more under the surface.
And while yes, it's villainous and heinous and and you know,
a very explosive finale, none of it's really surprising because
it's just a crystallization, a condensation, an ultimate reflection of
what this entire atmosphere is about. And there are no
(20:07):
secrets and anybody who decides to do this show needs
to just know that because they're all just playing the
game well, which is why they're now going to have
a reunion about this. And I don't even know that
the girl will be asked to leave the show or
they'll have something of her next year. Probably a lot
of people won't film with her. It's shocking, but it's
(20:29):
not ultimately it's shocking. It was like shock value, but
it's not ultimately surprising because it's just a more I
keep saying, concentrated version of what's going on everywhere in
this space.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Is it disgusting? Yes? Do any of these women need
to adore this? No? Do they choose to endure this? Yes?
Are they being paid to endure this? Yes? Is any
of it real?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
No? Because you're going on TV and you're doing press
about this, you're perpetuating this you're being paid to dig
up all of everybody and yourselves dirty laundry. Jennifer Lawrence
and Julia Roberts get to play other characters.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
They don't have to be.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
On screen playing themselves in the name of the game
called gotcha and trash somebody else, So you're not getting
trashed in that moment. It's just all strategy. It's just
all hunger games and Game of Thrones. And when we
first started out years ago, it wasn't like that because
it wasn't just there wasn't decades and hundreds of women's
(21:45):
worth of cattiness and competitiveness and jealousy and bringing the
worst out in women. It just wasn't like that. It
was a fresh, blank slate. And then add social media,
add fake Instagram, TikTok accounts, ad trolls, add cyber bullying,
add all of it. People are miserable, and people viewing
(22:11):
this it makes them feel better. It's just gossip that's
not on them. It's the same thing in a macro scale,
like the people viewing at home, it's like, thank god,
they just don't have to talk about what's going on
in their own lives or their infidelity or their miscarriage
or their financial issues, because they get to talk about
the people on the screen, so they don't have to
(22:31):
be the one in their own call de sac being
talked about. This is just a gigantic public cul de
sac where you just want the bag of shit to
be on anybody but yourself, and this one girl was
holding many people's bags of shit. She's got the bag,
you know. It's basically, let's take it all of the
bag of shit. But that's what the whole entire thing
(22:52):
has been for years, whether it's Teresa's tax evasion, Jenshaw
being a criminal, Luan going to rehab getting arrested. That's
what the show's about. Don't be so surprised. Just think
about it. I'm not defending a sociopath or a troll
or a person who runs hate accounts. That's an animal
(23:16):
in and of itself. I'm just saying that every woman
who is so aghast at this compilation of information all
does the same thing, just not in one concentrated format.
It's just that this is a switchboard for all this
gossip about this one group. This hate account is just
(23:40):
a formalized accumulation of hateful gossip, which is what The
Housewives is all about all day, air day with every
woman doing it to each other in the name of
ratings and money. Successful accounts like Desmois are basically a
combination of sources that provide vetted information about different people
(24:09):
in the media, reality television, celebrities, etc. And then that
information is combined and then disseminated to the public. And
that's a real credible site that has a podcast, and
they're giving the tea. They're basically spilling the tea that
(24:30):
they've collected from mostly reliable and credible sources with some exception.
So the fact that an entire cast and society would
be agast at this, people are just aghast at the
fact that this girl got away with it. But what
she got away with was doing a combination and a
(24:51):
culmination of the same thing every other person in this
entire medium and genre does. Was it any different than
when everybody had you dig to the bottom of the
barrel and get all the meat off the bone. As
to what Kathy Hilton did or did not say to
Lisa Rinna in that van an Aspen, or what happens
(25:13):
on The Real Housewives of Orange County when the cameras
go down after dark, and the girls are using their
personal phones to film everything that happened because it all
has to be spilled out onto the table. Nobody's safe,
nobody's secrets are safe. So this was just somebody that
orchestrated and organized it and pulled one over on anyone else.
(25:37):
And I'm not saying any of it's right, because it's
all disgusting and I was part of it. But I'm
saying no one should be shocked and aghast, and that
this girl should not be excommunicated from this church any
more than anyone else. That would just be bullshit. Let's
not forget this is the name of this game. Please
(25:59):
do not act, Please do not act surprised. But also
people who are for female empowerment and women supporting other
women shouldn't pretend that this genre and this vehicle does that,
because this is part and parcel for what this entire
medium does.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
No surprise is there
So I keep hearing about the Salt Lake City finale,
and I have so many thoughts before even watching it.
I'm going to watch it, and I'm going to tell
you what I think after I watch it, but having
not watched it, I want to tell you what I
think about the whole concept beforehand. Okay, So people like
Jennifer Lawrence are saying it was the most riveting television
(00:33):
they've ever seen, and you know how people like Julia
Roberts on watch What Happens Live talking about housewives in general,
and the medium and the genre has evolved, devolved changed,
and here's what I really think. So what was explained
to me was that this girl seems like a sociopath
(00:54):
and that she's the villain, she's happy to play the villain,
that she was a show fan, that she had to
hate account. People have hate accounts about me. People that
I know on the Housewives have had many people who
have had hate accounts about them. And what I do
know to be true is while you make some friendships,
like friendships, like people that you can enjoy, people that
(01:18):
I like, like Sonya, who I text occasionally, but not
that I see every day, not people that you know
you've been able to sustain as a ride or die.
It's next to impossible to sustain a ride or die
on the Housewives. So I know that Teresa and Melissa
weren't BFFs, but like, it's really disintegrated their relationship. Look
(01:41):
at Dina Manzo and her family disintegrated relationships. Nini's been
through so many relationships. It really took a toll on
Jill and my relationship, which hadn't been going on that
long beforehand. It didn't have the strong foundation that some
might have before going in there, and still disintegrated Carol
in myself. It goes on and on, Eric and List
(02:03):
So we're locked.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
At the hip. Best friends.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yes they're friendly now, but they're not the same level
of friendship. Because the show makes you need these alliances.
It just makes the concentration strategic. And it's not intentional.
It's not on purpose. You're not just saying, oh, sometimes
you are. Sometimes people are being friends with someone or
aligning or having allegiances or alliances because of the show.
(02:27):
They know the show's coming back. They've got to have
people to cling on to. Everyone's going to hate them
once everybody hates one person. It's a feeding frenzy. Every
scene is about that. You know, what goes up must
come down, and it's a zero sum game. Someone's always
hated or loved. But what I will say is that
it is next to impossible to sustain positive relationships, whether romantic.
(02:49):
But that's easier than friendships because with romantic the spouse
or the boyfriend is usually not is not the main character,
so they can not film much and they're not as
much on the front lines. So now we realize that
a lot of it's not real, that a lot of
it's manufactured.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
That people.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Go to jail, that people have sort of alter egos,
that people have secret lives, infidelity, owe people money, have
illegal practices, have different scandals associated with them. So we
realize that a lot of this is fraudulent. We realize
that people definitely don't have the money they.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Say they do.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
They may not live in the cities they're pretending to
live in, they may not own the houses they're pretending
to own in or the cars they're pretending to own.
So it's all pretty fraudulent and it's really for theatrics.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
No problem.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
The Hills was similar, So now we're trying to assign
real relationships to a show that is based on casted relationships.
The relationships and the friendships for the most part, and
the tight knit aspect of.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The group is usually not real.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
People become friends with the people, or spend time with
the people, or have to go on vacation with the
people because they're working with them, they're filming with them.
It's no different than you working down the office from
Jane that you may have to go to a company
retreat with, or you may have to see in the breakroom,
or you just see it work every day. You're not
hanging out with them or doing holidays with them. So
(04:21):
now it's this alternate universe where you're friends with people,
you're not friends with them, and it's the upside down
because you think it's real and it's not. And I've
never ever learned more about people than when we've gotten
off the show. That's when I really start to like
a lot of the housewives because I'm not on the
battlefield with them. I don't have to see them either
(04:42):
as sort of a manufactured alliance or an enemy. They're
just people that I know socially that I'll see out
and I can appreciate for who they are. They don't
have to be my everything, they don't have to be
my nothing. So now you have a person who was
a fan and wanted some level of fame and had
accountants and wanted on that show so badly, and this
(05:03):
person got what they wanted. They don't care about any
of these people, and maybe they're more authentic than most
because they're walking into this experience saying I'm coming in,
I'm on the battlefield. No one really cares about anybody
else in this whole experience, So I'm gonna walk in
that way. I'm walking in not giving a shit. I'm
walking in casting myself not as somebody who's going to
(05:24):
be beloved, but as the villain. So while everybody's around
here pretending everybody's best friends, and I've been filtrated this
group of really good friends, which is bullshit because all
these people are constantly trashing each other and fighting. Anyway,
I'm walking in as a villain. So when I get
caught as a villain, and I get caught as being
someone who hates these people, I'm dispassionate because I never
(05:46):
promised any of them anything.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
None of them are paying my rent.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I came in here for fame, for relevance, for reality TV,
the bag of bullshit that it is.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So this woman.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I haven't seen it yet, but from what I understands,
it seems like a sociopath because she acted like she
was friends with everybody and played this role where she
was part of this group when she was really their enemy.
I completely understand why this other woman, Heather, would feel
completely violated, also by production and by the whole entire experience,
because she feels like she's sleeping with the enemy. She's
(06:18):
living in the same house with the enemy. But on
reality TV, most people are the enemy. I've seen people
that have called up shows where I'm supposed to do
a hosting gig for shows, called up shows these people
are supposed to be my friends, and called up those
shows and said, why Bethany not me, I'm so much
better than her. I've had people call up brands that
I'm working with and say why not me. I've had
(06:42):
every single situation where different.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Housewives have trashed me.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I've had Andy Cohen trashed me to other housewives, and
other housewives trash me.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
To Andy Cohen.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
This is what goes on in this environment. So for
someone like Jennifer Lawrence. To love it as entertainment, that's
one thing. But whether it's Jennifer Lawrence, Julia Roberts, or
Jane in the cul de Sac in Ohio, they all
need to know that these are actual, real human beings
on these shows playing a role.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's like, entertain me, you're in front of the king.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They're jesters. Entertain me at any cost. It doesn't matter.
You're gonna go to jail, You're gonna be accused of something.
Someone's gonna rat someone out, someone's gonna have a hate
account on someone, someone's gonna say that someone's money isn't real.
It's all's fair in love and war in this thing.
And so maybe in some cases now I'm starting to
realize that everybody, I guess does have to realize what they.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Sign up for.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I did not know that that's what I was signing
up for all those years ago, which is why I
left multiple times. So now I'm gonna say the public
service announcement to anyone signing up for reality TV, you
are signing up to possibly go to jail, be called
a fraud, be called a cheat, or be called a liar,
to be tempted to actually be a cheater, to actually
(08:04):
be a liar, to want to pretend you have more
money than you actually do, to want to rent cars,
to keep up with the jones, is to have to
look rich. It doesn't matter if you are rich. It
just matters if you look rich. It doesn't matter if
you're a good person. It just matters if the audience
thinks you're a good person. It doesn't matter if you're
a villain. As long as you're a good villain that
(08:24):
people love to hate. You need to be loved or
someone who people love to hate. Don't get stuck in
the middle. That's the riptide. That's when you get fired
from the show. So if you're trying to be famous
and you're going in there and you want to be relevant,
whoever that girl is, I think her name is Monica.
She accomplished her goal. So I don't know if she's
a sociopath. I don't know if she's a genius. It
(08:45):
doesn't matter. She walked in, she was a nobody, and
now everybody's talking about her, and she's a somebody. You
go in, you have an affair, You fuck around with
somebody that you know. Alas Vanderpump rules, and the show
has higher ratings and had so scandal sells, hate sells,
hate accounts sell and evidently being a villain or being
(09:08):
a sociopath also sells. It's all about the Benjamin's baby,
It's all about business, the production company, Bravo, and that girl.
They're all winning, and so are the victims. Heather's winning too.
Everybody's winning because none of it's real, none of it
ever mattered, And no one should walk into reality television
(09:29):
or the Housewives for that matter, thinking this is where
you're going to forge real, genuine, authentic, meaningful, spiritual, deep
relationships that enrich your life.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's a cesspool, it's a garbage dump.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Go in there and get dirty and grab everything you
can and pay those women anything that they want because
they're in the mudpit getting dirty and it might.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Just affect the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Exploitation with comp compensation, that's what they should get. So
what strikes me about the Salt Lake City Monica character
(10:18):
is that within the show, we're seeing these trolls that
we see on tiktoks. There are hate pages about people.
People host live instagrams and TikTok events where they just
trash other people and speculate on their lives, their money,
their sex, their relationships, and they thrive on it. And
(10:39):
there are a lot of these trolls. This is a
very common thing. It's just that she's in plain sight. Now.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
We see it all the time, people thriving.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And the funny thing about it is that everyone's acting
so surprised because the name of the game on Housewives,
the name of the game, the number one name of
the game on.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Housewives is exposed.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Everybody's everything, So anybody would have exposed jen Shaw. This
girl is just doing it as a sniper from the side.
Everybody exposes everything. It could be something Luan's kids are doing.
It could be something jen Shaw's doing. It could be
something that anyone has in their past. Everything has to
(11:25):
come to the surface on Housewives. That's what the producers want,
That's what Bravo wants.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
There can be no secrets.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Why is it that we have Teresa talking about Melissa's
husband Joe and speculations about women that he's been with.
Why is everybody always digging to look for stuff on
Teresa's husband, Like everybody's acting like this isn't how everybody
is And this is what the name of the game is.
(11:55):
This is just a situation where the person didn't probably
really as they'd ever get on the show, and they
had this account doing it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
But you can ask anyone.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I've seen dms to and from Jill and Derinda and
everybody from this franchise. With people gossiping, that's how people
find a lot of their information. People civilians text Housewives
and give them information and then they bring it into
the show.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
This happens with everyone.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
This woman just reflects something that is completely rampant and
that we've all seen a million times. It's just that
now she's a cast member. That's what makes it so different.
But I have had so many people from the show, Sonya, Derinda,
all of them show me and talk to me about
messages that fans have sent saying this is this, this
(12:48):
one's doing that, Ramona is doing this, Sonya's doing that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That's not real. This isn't real. That's not a real job,
it's not a real product.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That business person really wanted to go into business with me,
the Tipsy Girl guy, for example, that guy I wanted
to go into business with. This one and that one
and the other one. Everything about the Housewives is about
information and dirt as currency. This is just the one
episode that is highlighting and showcasing it, and the four
women standing on the beach looking aghast as if this
(13:17):
is something so shocking. They're just shocked that the wolf
is in sheep's clothing living in their house. But everybody
is an iteration of this the sala He's crashed a
party at the White House that they were grifters. Jenshaw
went to jail for fraud. Erica Jane's husband was defrauding
(13:40):
people out of their retirement and taking playing crash victims money.
Dorrit and p K have been accused of owing people
money and things not being what they seem. Kyle's husband
accused of infidelity, like Luan trying to Alley that Dennis
(14:01):
and I were cheating while he was still married or
because I was still legally married.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
This is the name of this game.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So that's why when I see people like Jennifer Lawrence,
who I'm a big fan of glamorizing it, or John
Hamm or Julia Roberts, they don't realize what this entire
cesspool that I was knee deep in the middle of
for several years perpetuates and It was never as bad
as it is now. It is another level now, Garcelle
(14:31):
her Son, he was getting threats online. Wasn't Lisa werenna
accused of being some account or of calling some publicist.
Wasn't the dog in Lisa vander Pump. Wasn't there a
situation where there was, like some other publicists, the source
talking about that dog or that situation with that dog
(14:52):
gate It's endless. Was it Jill Zarren's assistant who asked
for the funeral to be filmed? This is what this
show is about. This is just the single crystallization of
this aspect. Every successful member of this franchise is guilty
of this crime.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Let's go back to the beginning. Let's go back to
the book Coop.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Without a badge on the table to expose Danielle in
her past engage, nineteen times criminal record, blah blah blah,
Alex McCord nude pictures. That's what this show is about.
And anyone that wants to pretend that this show is
about female empowerment, women elevating women, women supporting women laws
(15:39):
is delusional. It's about the demise of women. It's about
the gotcha of women. It's about the trashing of women.
It's about the catching other women in mistakes. It's about
finding out that someone's not worth the amount that they
say they're worth, that they're sleeping with someone who they
say they're not sleeping with, that they don't really come
(16:01):
from where they come from, that their accent isn't really real.
That's what the entire show is about. Accountability to the core,
but to a damaging effect. People have gone to jail.
Multiple people have gone to jail. How many mugshots like
That's what the show is about. So any person celebrating
the show is celebrating that I walked out twice. Someone's
(16:26):
got an addiction issue, someone's over consuming.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
What's happening.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Is it being handled, No, it's being exposed. Is it
under the guise of being for their best interest?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Baby? Is it truthfully? Just gotcha?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
They say that they're recovering, and we know that they're drinking.
Bring it to the table. When Jill's Arren and I
came back after a summer hiatus, the first thing she
said to me is you didn't call Bobby when he
had cancer. It didn't matter if that was entirely true.
The first thing I said to Carol when I came back,
was that Adam wanted to be paid for a relief trip.
The point of the matter is the rules of engagement
(17:02):
on the Housewives are dig up every piece of dirt
that you can put it in the middle, because it
takes the energy, emphasis, and focus off of you and
puts it on someone else. What kind of worse example
can we set for our daughters than that? Do another rant?
Once I watch, I don't think it will be all
that different.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Watch what happens.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So I finished the Salt Lake City finale, and it's
a very interesting dynamic because the one girl, Monica, is
the gossip girl, and it sounds like her account is
definitely comprised of information from a lot of different people.
(17:58):
That's what happens in this sphere. It's constant exchanging and
lots of dms from civilians, from people in the Bravo
crossover sphere, and that's what basically happens. And that's why
things like Bravocon really concentrate all of that, because Bravocon
(18:19):
is like a massive Bravo trip, Like if the Real
Housewives of New York go to Mexico, Bravocon is bringing
all of the different shows into one place, so it's
that in greater scale, and that's where all kinds of
information is shared and everything does come to light. And
(18:39):
this girl walked in as one of these troll blogger
people that takes other people down. She's just a Hall
of Fame version of what all housewives do, which is
constantly dig up and expose information about each other. This
woman just did it in a very stealthy and sleuth
(19:00):
like manner where she was the self elected villain who
was going to accumulate all of this gossip about a
bunch of different people. And it did sound like it
did start with Jenshaw and she said the rest were
collateral damage because people just talk about everyone. That's just
what this is about. And the name of the game
(19:22):
is exposure. And all of the girls, I actually think
the girls say, I don't know the show that well,
but I've met Lisa and they all seem like fairly
nice people overall. It's just the nature of this beast
that it's killed or be killed. And they weren't very
articulate in just screaming at each other and you're a
piece of shit, and you're a piece of shit, And
(19:44):
it did sound like there's a lot more under the surface.
And while yes, it's villainous and heinous and and you know,
a very explosive finale, none of it's really surprising because
it's just a crystallization, a condensation, an ultimate reflection of
what this entire atmosphere is about. And there are no
(20:07):
secrets and anybody who decides to do this show needs
to just know that because they're all just playing the
game well, which is why they're now going to have
a reunion about this. And I don't even know that
the girl will be asked to leave the show or
they'll have something of her next year. Probably a lot
of people won't film with her. It's shocking, but it's
(20:29):
not ultimately it's shocking. It was like shock value, but
it's not ultimately surprising because it's just a more I
keep saying, concentrated version of what's going on everywhere in
this space.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Is it disgusting? Yes? Do any of these women need
to adore this? No? Do they choose to endure this? Yes?
Are they being paid to endure this? Yes? Is any
of it real?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
No? Because you're going on TV and you're doing press
about this, you're perpetuating this you're being paid to dig
up all of everybody and yourselves dirty laundry. Jennifer Lawrence
and Julia Roberts get to play other characters.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
They don't have to be.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
On screen playing themselves in the name of the game
called gotcha and trash somebody else, So you're not getting
trashed in that moment. It's just all strategy. It's just
all hunger games and Game of Thrones. And when we
first started out years ago, it wasn't like that because
it wasn't just there wasn't decades and hundreds of women's
(21:45):
worth of cattiness and competitiveness and jealousy and bringing the
worst out in women. It just wasn't like that. It
was a fresh, blank slate. And then add social media,
add fake Instagram, TikTok accounts, ad trolls, add cyber bullying,
add all of it. People are miserable, and people viewing
(22:11):
this it makes them feel better. It's just gossip that's
not on them. It's the same thing in a macro scale,
like the people viewing at home, it's like, thank god,
they just don't have to talk about what's going on
in their own lives or their infidelity or their miscarriage
or their financial issues, because they get to talk about
the people on the screen, so they don't have to
(22:31):
be the one in their own call de sac being
talked about. This is just a gigantic public cul de
sac where you just want the bag of shit to
be on anybody but yourself, and this one girl was
holding many people's bags of shit. She's got the bag,
you know. It's basically, let's take it all of the
bag of shit. But that's what the whole entire thing
(22:52):
has been for years, whether it's Teresa's tax evasion, Jenshaw
being a criminal, Luan going to rehab getting arrested. That's
what the show's about. Don't be so surprised. Just think
about it. I'm not defending a sociopath or a troll
or a person who runs hate accounts. That's an animal
(23:16):
in and of itself. I'm just saying that every woman
who is so aghast at this compilation of information all
does the same thing, just not in one concentrated format.
It's just that this is a switchboard for all this
gossip about this one group. This hate account is just
(23:40):
a formalized accumulation of hateful gossip, which is what The
Housewives is all about all day, air day with every
woman doing it to each other in the name of
ratings and money. Successful accounts like Desmois are basically a
combination of sources that provide vetted information about different people
(24:09):
in the media, reality television, celebrities, etc. And then that
information is combined and then disseminated to the public. And
that's a real credible site that has a podcast, and
they're giving the tea. They're basically spilling the tea that
(24:30):
they've collected from mostly reliable and credible sources with some exception.
So the fact that an entire cast and society would
be agast at this, people are just aghast at the
fact that this girl got away with it. But what
she got away with was doing a combination and a
(24:51):
culmination of the same thing every other person in this
entire medium and genre does. Was it any different than
when everybody had you dig to the bottom of the
barrel and get all the meat off the bone. As
to what Kathy Hilton did or did not say to
Lisa Rinna in that van an Aspen, or what happens
(25:13):
on The Real Housewives of Orange County when the cameras
go down after dark, and the girls are using their
personal phones to film everything that happened because it all
has to be spilled out onto the table. Nobody's safe,
nobody's secrets are safe. So this was just somebody that
orchestrated and organized it and pulled one over on anyone else.
(25:37):
And I'm not saying any of it's right, because it's
all disgusting and I was part of it. But I'm
saying no one should be shocked and aghast, and that
this girl should not be excommunicated from this church any
more than anyone else. That would just be bullshit. Let's
not forget this is the name of this game. Please
(25:59):
do not act, Please do not act surprised. But also
people who are for female empowerment and women supporting other
women shouldn't pretend that this genre and this vehicle does that,
because this is part and parcel for what this entire
medium does.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
No surprise is there
Host
Bethenny Frankel
Popular Podcasts
1. Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
2. The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
3. Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations.