February 19, 2024 • 49 mins
RHOBH - S7, E17 “From Dogs to Diamonds”
Bethenny is joined by The Golden Bachelor’s Kathy Swarts! Find out intimate details about Kathy’s dating life since the show ended and what she picked up on during filming that we never knew.
Plus, how does a woman with a lifetime of experience look at the chaos of the Real Housewives and who could she never see herself married to!?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The ladies of Beverly Hills are still on their never
ending Hong Kong trip, and the drama continues. The whole
reason for the trip was to visit the dog rescue,
but it looks like shopping and accusations were higher up
on the priority list. Lisa Rinna defends her accusations about dRIT,
but was she just to mean? Kathy Schwartz from The
Golden Bachelor joins me to recap this episode. This is
(00:27):
Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season seven, episode seventeen, From
Dogs to Diamonds.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Let's get into it. Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Hi, I'm Bethany.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Nice to meet.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You, to meet you as well.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
How is life?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Life is great? I have a request of you.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh okay, let's do it. Let's hear.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I hate to shop. Next time I'm wherever you are,
will you take me to Marshalls please?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh yes? Or TJ. I know it's crazy, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
People are obsessed with this and it was like such
a weird like, oh no, I.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Watched the ones in your closet. I mean I'm just
like that's so not in my wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you. That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So what's going on? Like, what's how's your life change? Like,
what's happening? What's the you know, what's the update?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So the update is everyone seems to have a date
but me. But you know, I'm getting used to that.
Life is good. You know, I come home, the show
was great fun. I come home to my three kids,
two granddaughters, two geriatric cats, and life goes on?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Does life go on? Though? How is life change? Like?
What is now?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So? You know, I've had some opportunities to do some
fun things with iHeartRadio, and some fun things with the
Bachelor franchise, and you know, a bunch of us are
going to get together next week and wash from the
Golden Batcheorette in DC. And I think it's just more
having fun for me. I coming back from that show,
(02:02):
I just realized that, you know, it sounds so tripe,
but every day's precious and I just kind of like
to have fun. So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And how has the experience been and changed your life for?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
What do you know? I mean, what do you think
about the experience?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I mean, for me, I knew pretty pretty quickly that
Gary and I were going to be in the friend zone.
So for me, I was able to really quickly say Okay,
this is going to be fun, this is going to
be an adventure. And it was. I made great friends,
and I loved watching the you know, watching the machinations
of the show and how they do what they do.
(02:37):
And I came home with a bunch of friends. I mean,
I just I didn't find the guide. But you know what,
what were the other.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Do you mind if I ask how old you are?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, you're probably the only one in this country who
doesn't know at this point, but I am seventy. They
put it up on when you're on the show. It's
you know, Kathy Austin, Texas, seventy years old.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So what is dating like?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
What is that? Actually it does not exist?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Or what is it?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
What's the real deal?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
The real deal? I only speak trust me, I'm such
a I am a real reality person here. I haven't
had a date since the show. I had been dating
a guy up until about on a four or five
months before the show began. It's been about a year
since I've had a date. I've got a couple of
guy friends we do stuff with.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But do you feel like you have game? And what's
your age range? When you were twenty three, you're like, oh,
I want to be married by twenty five, And then
you were thirty seven and you were breaking off an
engagement or still single and hadn't had a kid yet,
and then that you thought you were old, and then
you get you know what I mean, It's like Charlie Brown,
(03:45):
the football keeps moving and honestly speaking, I still feel young,
and not in a way that's like vitamin.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Commercial, just literally.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
So I think sometimes we're delusional because we're not aware
of how you know what I'm saying, Like, it's great
that we feel young, but like you look at guys
or girls and you think they're like around your age
because you feel young, but they're not.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
They're much younger. They're living a different experience.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So I'm asking you, like what it really is, like,
like who do you feel like you could date, and
what are you looking for and what age range and
like what is the real story with that?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Okay, so let me just by way of answering, let
me just give you a little bit of my history.
I was married at twenty years old, and my husband
passed away by suicide almost five years ago, so I
was married forty six years, just short of forty six years.
So my situation wasn't that of dating in my twenties
and thirties. You know, I have kids when I turn thirty,
(04:43):
and so I'm sort of living life in reverse because
now I am dating and meeting people, not today but
in general. So my problem is, yes, I am seventy,
but I am incredibly fit, and I do every sport
I can do, and I love to travel, and I
have tons of energy. And most of the men I've
(05:05):
said it, I don't know if you've heard it, I
call them used to guys. I'm tired of used to guys.
They used to play tennis, they used to ski, they
used to kayak, and now they sit on the sofa.
So that's been my experience that culturally men want to
date younger women. That's our culture seeming for the most part.
(05:27):
And men who reach out to me are older and
don't really have energy, and that just doesn't work. So
what I get the younger guy, sure, but they're not
reaching out to me. If they have any snap, they're
looking at you.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Right, It's a it's a slipper, it's a sliding scale.
So I think though there's probably like seven to nine
years in each direction. Like in other words, you could
be with a young seventy eight, and I think you
could be with a sixty three who's like confident and
secure because they weren't looking at the number.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
They were looking at an app.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
They saw your picture and they just liked it and
then they were like, Okay, let's try this.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know what I mean. It's a it's a psychological game.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I think I find that men who have more than
one child and who have been through it don't want
someone too much younger because the references are different than like,
it's it seems like another bowl of aggravation.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Well, I would like to agree with you, but that
has not been my experience. When I was on the
dating apps up until you're right before one of the show,
I never had younger men reach out to me unless
they were thirty five and they wanted to be my child,
which is a whole different conversation. You know, I didn't
have younger guys. Most of the men that reached out
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to me were sixty nine to eighty.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Okay, yeah, I mean I get that that does track.
That makes sense. I'm a thinking and also, you know,
there's something to be said for like all of a sudden,
like a sixty one year old reaches out to you.
You're walking in insecure, are already thinking about it like
that's annoying too, feeling like there's like a chip on
the shoulder of it, you know what I mean, Like
you're thinking.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Do what I will say. I'm a very confident, secure person,
so that really wouldn't bother me. What what I'm looking
for may or may not be found, But I'm okay.
I had to get okay. I wasn't okay when my
husband first died. But I've gotten I've gotten good being
by myself and living my life. And if you know,
(07:31):
I live my life the way I want to, and
if the right person comes into my life, that would
be great. But I'm not. That's not that is not
my life goal now to find a man.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Well, it's also interesting because you said you were married
for so many years and you're just used to relationship.
If you were someone who had spent many years single,
it would be challenging wanting to go back in and
be bound to someone like in other words, you did that.
Many friends that I have that are married say if
they got divorced, they would never want to get married again,
Like they don't understand why you're going to have kids
(08:01):
or or there's some financial reason.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
They're like, why would why get married again?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I mean, I'm not saying I wouldn't get married. I'm
just saying that I agreed to some extent. You know,
I have my kids, I have my life, and really
I don't want to cook, you know, do your own laundry,
pick up your socks. You know, I've played that game.
So it would have to be a really special guy
that had had good energy and wanted to travel and
(08:29):
and have fun, because there's enough misery in this world
that if you get the chance to go and have
fun and live life, why not. But I just haven't met.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Them, Okay, all right, Well it's interesting. I just think.
And you're on the apps or you gave a break.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You haven't been on them since I came back.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You just don't it's depressed.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, I'm just not. Yeah, I'm just kind of living
my life and enjoying what I do for me. And
if i've you know, I've met a few guys inadvertently,
but nobody that I really wanted to much time with.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I don't think, No, I think because of mingle my mocktail.
Actually this is mingle my mocktail. We're talking. I was
saying something for Valentine's Day, single and ready to mingle,
and I was talking to a couple of people I
know who are in the dating app.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Business as a business.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Someone wanted me to invest and I I know someone
who runs one of the apps and is also a matchmaker.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I don't know. I think you should.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I think you have to be on the I can't
believe I'm saying this because years ago I was the
last one to even contemplate this. It felt so I
felt so exposed. But I think the apps are amazing.
You just have to like know how to play them.
I think it's like anything else. I think it's like
being in a bar, and some people have game in
a bar and some people don't. And some people have
game on the apps and some people don't.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And I think you have I think I think I
have gained. But the one thing that I cannot surmount
or haven't been able to, is age. And I will
say I've gone out with a few men who say,
you know, you're just too independent, You're too active for me.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You're not gonna dumb it down, I'm out of here,
of course. No, I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You don't have a game in who you are game
and how to play the apps too. I think there's
a there's a necessary strategy in how to play the
apps as a game. So I don't think everybody has
that or the patience you get like full and grossed out,
like you're like swiping and you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
So you remember I saw I'm originally from the Northeast.
I'm from outside of Boston, and I don't have that
personality that says, you know, bless your little heart. I'm
pretty direct and straightforward and that doesn't necessarily play so
well in Texas.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
But that's where you are now, Texas.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I live in Austin.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, okay, great, all right, well very interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I usually don't talk that much before rewives, but I
just was interested in you.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
So thank you. Uh you're beautiful and.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Less the journey take you where it's going to go,
But I think it's I just think it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So have you are you a Housewives fan to begin
with or is this like a new foray into it.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It has been a new foray into it for me
and I have to tell you, I struggle a little
bit because the episodes I've watched from previous years are
previous seasons. The brunettes I can keep straight, but the
blondes all kind of look the same to me.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Okay, well that's funny, and well, yeah, I could see that.
I could see that in certain ways with some of
these girls. Well, we're going to get into it. I'm
glad you have a fresh perspective. This is Beverly Hills.
It's currently the most popular and most successful of the franchise.
I think the one of the characters in Beverly Hills
is the b roll and showing the wealth, or you know,
(11:53):
at least the.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Exhibited wealth.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I'm saying, not everybody has what they say that have,
but they're showing whatever it is. And this is an
episode that was season seven before everybody popped off in
certain ways. And I was writing this down because in
certain scenes, certain women here hadn't started their air mes era,
(12:18):
hadn't started like their real like wealth showoff era and
their glam era. So we'll get into that. But all right,
So these girls go to dinner in Hong Kong. They're
on a trip to Hong Kong because Lisa vander Pump
is bringing them to see the rescue dogs, which is
amazing because I mean, it's it's we don't really think
about that that much. And the fact that they eat
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dog and there are pets, that's that's brutal.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So that's the There.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Always needs to be on the Housewives, some sort of
foundation for why a trip is happening, even though production
is paying for the trip and the hotel and all
that stuff, or getting in integration.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
That's that's that part.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
So I didn't see the dinner, but Lisa rinna uh
I guess had been accused of doing xanax or taking
xanax cocktails smoothies, and she then point blank says to Dori,
were people doing cocaine at your house? Because everyone left
the table and went to the bathroom. So what do
you think of this exchange?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, I have to say, when I heard that, it
sort of came out of in my mind, came out
of nowhere, right. But I thought that Derek's answer was
I loved it. Well, I certainly wasn't, which just me
opened up a whole can of worms. You know, it's
not always what you say, but sometimes what you don't
say or how you say it.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So, so you thought something did go she did something
did go down? It is it is something I can't
imagine Lisa Rinna saying if there wasn't any foundation, she
is a resident shit sir. That's no longer on the show,
but it still did when you looked at the thing
from the table, where did everybody go?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And by the way, people are.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Stupid enough to do cocaine while shooting a housewife show
the activation and you would know this and the there's
an activation and like a nervous system and adrenaline of
shooting reality TV that like people get excited about everything.
So I could see that actually happening. I don't remember
the scene or anything, but I could see that actually happening,
and you're right.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Her answer was good, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Mean so, so you know, I I think that I
think you're right. In that moment, they're sort of forgetting that.
I love I love the the you know, the face
covering the head, and they're all sort of looking that.
The dramatics were just great.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Right because they all probably knew about this ahead of time.
But everyone has everyone half the cast as an actress.
So that's the other thing. So four out of six
women there are actresses, so it's like, oh, you know,
it could be it's somebody asks.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
You if they if they want to be actresses. It's
questionable to me, why would you? Why would you? I
can think of a lot of conversations I might have
with a group of women, some women I like better
than others. But would you really want to have that
conversation about cocaine in a bathroom if you were trying,
if you weren't aspiring anything.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, that's a great question. Here's the thing about the housewives.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So one time Jill Zarren did a deal with Kodak,
and Ramona on camera said to her, why would you
do a deal with Kodak? It's so archaic, which like
ruined the relationship. And once it's out there, the producers
love that anything bad the producers love, and so it's airing.
So there's always going to be a risk of reputational risk.
You could have a party for your amazing product, but
(15:33):
if someone else says something shitty about it, which invariably happened.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's happened on Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
If someone has their hair extensions, or someone has a
fitness video or some so someone's going to say something
crappy about your brand no matter what, and there's always
going to be there's always going to.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Be a risk. And that's the thing about being on
the Housewives.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
People ruin their careers and no matter what, no matter
whether it's Kyle, Eileen or Lisa, the same opportunities in
acting don't come up or you have to work extra
hard to get them because you've now gone onto a
different type of reality TV and you're not taken as
seriously as an actress.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So you have to lean into this spot.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And I think that, I mean, this show has been
on you would know how many seasons, so clearly, clearly
whatever is going on, the machinations, the families, the issues,
the personal issues. If people love it it's entertaining.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well that's the price.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
The price is you're going to come in and someone's
going to say you do cocaine, And that's what you
have to give up to get paid and be relevant
and famous. By the way, speaking of age, for many
women in their fifties, where where are they getting a
job to make this kind of money when they've already
they've been married, they've spent their life on someone else
or their kids, or they used to be to bring
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up your language, used to be a countess, used to
be married to account, used to be married to a
Morgan on JP Morgan, used to be married to Kelsey Grammar,
who you know was? They were all the plus ones.
So now they are the main characters. And at this age,
the price to pay is someone's going to say you
did cocaine. And if someone thinks something about you, they're
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always going to bring it out, no matter how salacious
it is, because that's what keeps you alive as a
cast member on the show.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I mean, I can't argue with what you're saying. I guess,
but I don't think necessarily women who do that show
think of it as a pejorative situation to be and
they know they've been on the show many seasons, they
make money from it, they have fun, they want to
do it. No one's forcing them to do it.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And it's funny because I've had this reality reckoning that
I brought up because of people who have left the show,
and it's ruined their lives. Not really the people who
have stayed on. It's more people who have left or
have been fired or cast aside It's like many other things.
Some people are crushing it and other people are really
getting crushed and walking into it. You may not know
(18:03):
which pile you're going to end up in. You may
not have what it takes to say that somebody else
was doing cocaine.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, right, well, and that, you know, for for me,
for my foray into reality TV obviously has been The
Golden Bachelor, and that's a very different situation because our
women were very supportive of each other. Our show was
about finding love and friendship and it really was about that.
So so this has seems to have a different premise, yes,
(18:34):
but there seems to be buy into it and certainly
a great amount of financial remuneration for these women and
success for the network. So you know what I can't
You know what can I say?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, nothing, We're just commenting on the episode.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I just want their clothes and their shoes and their jewelry,
and I want someone else to buy them for me.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Well. The thing is that at this era it hadn't
popped off yet. So Erica, the one who went to
be on Young and the Restless, she came in and
she changed the fashion and closing jewelry narrative on the
show because she came in and she was in costume
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every scene, like she has a different hair, doing a
different outfit, a different necklace, and she has a stylist crew.
And she ended up getting into trouble because her husband
was stealing money and they kind of she got caught
in the crossfire. And then where did all this money
come from? So there was a lot of her expense
it's expensive to be me, and the planes she was
flying on, and she was kind of a lot of show,
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but there wasn't a lot of go because he owed
everybody money. So it was like a perfect Housewives thing,
But she came in really spending on the role and
it really raised everyone else's game. At this point, Dorie
is doing her hair differently for events, but it's not
like a full on costume. And now in twenty twenty four, Dorie,
every single hair style moment is a moment. And Lisa
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Rinna used to wear the same sheath dress and the
same haircut throughout an entire episode a season. Then later
on she came in and became a fashionista and fought
and copied Erica and like the different hairstyles, and even
Kyle used to not like now her air mes bag
is front and center, and like everyone stepped up their
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fashion game. I must give the credit to Erica Dorit
kind of copied Erica a little, and then everybody copied
Doriat and Erica. But I want to give the credit
to the ones who started. It's really Erica and then
Dori Eat, and then Lisa Renna and Kyle fell In.
But now it's like a fashion show in twenty twenty four,
of labels and logos at another level.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And I can only say that is probably not well
be hanging my hat next week, because I would just
I'll be the one sweeping the floors and doing the
dishes in the kitchen. I mean, I just I couldn't
even imagine trying to keep up with that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I could, by the way, I couldn't either. It would
not be enjoyable for me.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's not real either, That's the thing. It's not real.
It's costume. But they've created this world where this particular
show is more about the theatrics, and that's what the
Housewise has evolved to be about in twenty twenty four.
It's more of a stage performance than like a gritty,
real performance.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Okay, but let me ask you, do you think I
think a lot. Again, my first foray into this was
Golden Matcher. But I think there is such a place
for reality TV. I think a lot of my friends,
my daughter watches a lot of reality TV, and they
all say the same thing, that it's entertaining, it's fun.
(21:33):
They like you know, they like feeling and being a
part of someone's exciting quote unquote life. Right, you know
what's wrong with that? I don't really have a problem
with that.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
No, I don't really have a problem with it either.
In less people are unless people are being exploited, and
that's what I was saying before, But that's a separate, complete,
separate topic.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Everyone here wants.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
To be here, and at this point in twenty twenty four, yes,
after all that's been discussed said, people are there because
they sign up for it.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
You sign up for it, and that's what it is.
There's been enough knowledge about the fact that it could
go sideways or you could do really well, and that's
a risk you take. So whenever people ask me if
they should do it, I really don't even answer, because
it's really up to them. They've seen what it could
be or what it can't be? The woman Eden, Yeah,
(22:31):
she's the one who buys eric a ring. I didn't
hear her say a word the whole entire episode. I
don't even know how many episodes she was on or
how many seasons she could have been a mummy.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
So that is so funny you say that because when
I watched the episode, and you know, they at the
beginning they show the women who they are, their names,
and then this woman eating shows up buying a ring
for her friend, and I'm like, wait, did I miss
something here? Because I don't know who she is.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I still don't either, so yeah, don't worry.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
That's you know, okay, good, I feel little. It gives
me hope that I can pop it into an into
an episode and wait, what's she doing?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I have no idea, no idea where she came from,
and I don't know how long she was on.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I assume one season.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah. The part that fascinated me was p K Dorri's
husband seemed so invested in talking about Lisa, you know,
just talking.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
About love you exactly. We're going there, We're going there.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Do you think it was ghost to ask about the
price for the ring? Even within the constructs of a
television show, or it gave context.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It gave context like.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I mean, I think to me, I I didn't even
go there where I was laughing. I picked up right
away that she was giving the foreign exchange. So it
was not eleven thousand whatever it was yen or wherever. So,
but to me it was comical that, oh, it was
only one hundred and seventy dollars, never mind buy me
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something more expensive. I mean, because she did not pick
up on it right away that it was not US dollars.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, if it was seventeen thousand, she was gonna have
to be this girl's best friend.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I mean, I can't be bought. Are you really good
at if someone buys me a seventeen thousand dollars ring,
I'm going to ask, have you lost your mind? I mean,
that's just not He's not what friendship is.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I know.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It seems like that girl, because she doesn't have isn't
speaking a lot and probably can't find her way to
get in like the double Dutch game and jump in
she was buying to like, you know, I get it.
I see that it was only one hundred and seventy dollars.
But these women, many of these women can be bought,
so it's expensive to be Erica. And if it was
seventeen thousand, Eric, I would have just had to, you know,
(24:39):
take a hit and be her best friend. So luckily
it was one hundred and seventy and we move on.
What did you think of the dogs?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
My god, I thought it was so sweet and sad
and it broke my heart.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
It did. My family's always had dogs. My daughter rescued
a dog. I rescue two kittens at five weeks old
from the pound. We're big rescue family. Hair. So yeah,
that's hard to watch seeing that. I mean, I love
that there is that message coming through. That's a good
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message to come through that show. So yeah, I thought
that was great.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, it's a great message to come through that show.
I totally agree. And Lisa vander Pump, who is you know,
running that dog charity, She's the one on the show
that's the most It's funny that I think the audience
either never totally caught onto it or really caught onto it.
It doesn't care because she's like the is it Crystal Carrington.
(25:36):
She's the one who's like constantly working machinations in her mind,
Like every word she chooses it's like designed for some
strategic purpose, like she's moving the board around at all times.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, although maybe, but I also think she's she seems
to be somewhat empathetic to to at certain times in
the show. I can't pull one up right now in
my head. But but the thing that stood out to
me about her, I want to go to one of
her parties. I want that guy to come and decorate
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my house. I mean, or can I be one of
her ponies? I know, I want the glitter on my nails,
Come on.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I mean, that's why she was a big loss on
the Housewives, Like they lost her and some housewives. I mean,
she was a good housewife to begin with, but then
also losing the character that like has the trappings, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And yeah I do, But I just something just struck
me when you said she's a good housewife, the irony
of saying that, because traditionally, when you see someone's a
good housewife in my generation, you know, they keep a
clean house, they take care of the kids, they do
the long Being a good housewife in this series has
nothing to do with any of those things.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It has to do with entertaining and like I said,
being strategy and having a good backdrop, which she has,
and she's got some good lines.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
But she's like, she's like a nice villain. I can't
explain it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
She's like a villain because you know, she's always like
plotting something, but it's landing.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's why she's a good villain. It's landing.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It's landing and it's working. And and you know, to
your point, if you if you're smart enough to be
on that show, you better be smart enough to figure
out your next steps.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, she was always playing the game, and other people
are pretending they're not playing the game and like it's
real when it isn't real. So at least she's like
fully coming out with it, but some people are. I mean,
people would say I was. I was certainly real if
nothing else.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, well my middle name is real. So I mean
they would get what they paid for with me, I
can assure.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You, yes, So Erica and Eileen. I liked that acting scene.
I thought Erica was pretty good. I thought she was
all right.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I think you know, I think they I thought it
was very sad that they ruined that pretty jacket to
the coffee. But you know, that's just the.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Price of that's the price, and it was buy a
cheap o jacket, not a couture jacket, but.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
P K.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
So it's really interesting because he's like a housewife. Simon
years ago was on our show, was Alex's husband. He
was like in the drama. He was at women's events
and he was in the drama and you were picking
up you earlier were picking up that. It's like almost
like they've given him the script ahead of time for
the scene, and he knows the beats to hit. So
he's gonna have to like take a few swipes at
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certain housewives. But you know, and there's also something admirable.
He lives for his wife. He's loyal to her to
a fault. He'll buy her anything, even if he probably
can't even afford everything he's buying her because they live
a life that's crazy. And you know, there's been a
lot of speculation about that, but you know, it's endearing
that he loves her so much. But every single word
is another swipe and another housewife.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Well you know, wait, can we just back up for
a second. How many times I was trying to think,
did my husband ever pick up the phone and call
me in the house and say, honey, come down and
have a drink with me. Oh right, let's start with that. Yeah,
And then you know he stands across he's serving her.
(29:12):
I just that whole scene was incredible. But I think
that again, in my life, my husband would no more
have wanted to be involved in that. So I was
fascinated that he It seemed like they are a cocktail
hour chat. Literally that's you know, how was your day, honey? Well,
you know I had a business meeting and I nope,
(29:35):
their day was about what Lisa Renna had to I mean,
it just it just wouldn't happen in my.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Word, by the way, it would never happen in my world.
I would never I've never dated a man who would
be interested in going deep on something like that, and
like you said, so invested in a very nice, politically correct,
diplomatic way.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
But it's it's a little.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And I think it's gone on throughout the season because
certain husbands want, like may want to be main character
energy and like some husbands dissolve in the background, and
some jump right in front of that camera and love it.
Like there's a guy on Jersey Melissa Gorgo's husband. He
jumps right in front and loves to be the star.
Simon on our show used to some husbands really like
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the light. You could tell the p K likes the light,
wants to be part of it, and the producers like
him too. I'm sure and I'm sure you know and
it but it does seem a little put on. This
like cocktail hour and call it seems a little put
on for the show.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
A vacuum in a vacuum, Yes, uh, because he's just
there for that scene and and obviously it develops and
there's and there's more going on. It was the same
thing with Mauricio with when she's cutting the you know,
with the pinking chairs, cutting the dress off, and he's
kind of looking at the word on. We came to mind,
(30:52):
like completely bored.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Right right, Like he gives a shit about a lace's
bottom dress exactly, and he's saying that's fair too.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Again I could again, I just went back thinking, you know,
my husband, would you know, take you know, get the
thing on. We got fifteen minutes, let's go. It would
not be lounging in a chair talking about the issues
around one leg longer than the other address. I found
that humorous for myself.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, well that's the you listen, you're not watching to
watch everybody just like you.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You know, if I.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Have had Paul like carry my beach toe because it is
a little heavy because it's carrying both of us stuff
like he doesn't want to be wearing like a Chanell
beach tote.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Isn't like the way and no one's even seeing it.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
It's just like he would not be until like doing
a gaggle of gossip on the housewives either.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
But let me say Bethany isn't part of this show again.
The people I know who are really invested in the show,
they love the labels and the looking at the homes
and all the quote unquote finery. That's part of what
makes this show so successful, I think.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
No, that's that it's performative, and people are cast now
more than ever for how wealthy they look to be.
There could be an amazing character, and there have been,
but their apartments aren't great and the producers are kind
of telling them they have to improve their their whereabouts.
And when I started, we didn't even have hair and makeup.
And you look at me right now, I have no
makeup on I'm sitting home in a card again, this
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is what it was like in the beginning, because I
thought I was doing a reality show, and I do
think there are shows like that that are It's really
it's funny because no one calls it this. It's supposed
to be a docuseries, and they don't use that name
that much anymore because it really doesn't feel docused.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It supposed to be a docuseries.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That's what it's pitched as initially a docuseries, So that's
what that's We've never discussed this before, which is interesting.
Housewives was intended and sold in rooms to be a docuseries.
That's that's what the format is for Housewives, and a
lot of these shows they don't really use that terminology
that much, presumably because it doesn't feel docu at all anymore.
(32:59):
But when and if you look at the first seasons
of Myself and Jill's Arn and Alex and Simon, the
houses weren't perfect, We weren't perfect, the backdrops weren't perfect,
there was no makeup or the glam wasn't perfect. It
was more docuseries because it wasn't so performative in such theatrics,
and there's something to be said for that as well.
That also is not like Golden Bachelor, but it was
very textured and very more like independent television show than
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it is now.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
So why do you think the evolution has brought it
to where it is today?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Then because the success of it in watching people in
this fish bowl made other people watch how it's done,
how the sausage gets made. So you watch Teresa flip
a table, you're worried you're going to go on the
show and what are you going.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
To do to top that?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Or you saw Kyle and her arimez bag, or you
saw Erica in her closet. So you're going to come
on the show as a new person fifteen years later
and you're going to show your stylist and your house
and you're going to probably not even be able to
afford that house, but you're on the show, so you
think you have to show all of that. So it's
like the bar keeps getting raised. When we were on
it was a docu series about us, but then the
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next season someone saw what we did and they had the.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Knowledge of the show.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
They watched it. We'd never watched it. It never existed,
So so you're giving me.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
A great idea. They should now just throw in occasionally
someone who was a really normal like me.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They can't, It doesn't They've tried. It's not normal. But
they tried to have Denise richards On and she did
do well. But the problem was she was showing up
on a vacation on a balcony wearing gene shorts, which
is what a normal human being would wear. They were
wearing ball gowns. She looks like shit compared to them.
The audience is then pressuring her. She was a bond girl.
She's stunning, but the audience is then pressuring her, pressuring
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other people, get your teeth done, get you whatever, because
everybody's in high death, which we weren't inn HD and
everybody like so it's just like, you can't go in
there and be in an Ikea apartment like I was
when I started, and sit next to Erica the audience
or you are going to feel strange.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Okay. So that's that just underscores what I'm saying that
the escapism, the the uh, the boy orism, if you will,
I imagine yourself in that life is what is popular
and what people love and that's that's.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, it's changed, it's evolved, and many many people yes
agree with that. The ratings are not what they used
to be, partially because you know, how much too much
of a good thing is too much, Partially because of
the whole landscape of entertainment has changed. And also many
people are turned off by it. They don't want you know,
they don't believe it's real. You know, the trips are
(35:42):
not really them. People used to think that we were
really I was really taking people on a trip or
some so, you know, it's just a different story now.
So anyway, I don't know why we got so into that.
Who cares, But that's just an education on what it
is and what it used to be. It doesn't make
it bad, but it's just it has to constantly evolve. Yeah,
(36:11):
So Kyle had a show.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I liked to seeing her in that role.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I think it was only one season, but I liked
seeing her as a producer. And there was some drama
about it because it was a show that was about
her family and it kind of created a rift between
her and her sister Kathy Hilton, and I was sort
of kind of I don't know if I was glad
that it didn't continue or not glad, but it caused
(36:36):
a problem in her family.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It was like a sore spot.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So when that dissolved, it created a way for them
to get back together.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
And I will say when I watched that scene, it
sort of just that just seemed inserted into the show
as well. That the production scene kind of there wasn't
any context for someone who hadn't balled it all the
way along.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
It looked like a commercial for because that's a situation
where a housewife has really urged production to include something
that they're doing into the show, likely in exchange for
something else. I'll do this over here, but you have
to put that on. That happens a lot like Lisa
had to lobby to get the dog thing as the
trip up because five other people are lobbying for their
(37:21):
thing to be the trip or the finale, or the
scene or the dinner. So that's another thing that used
to not be the same. Now it's like a competition
kind of people really want their thing to be highlighted.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
So when you did your show, when you did the
New York was it, it sounds like it's just completely
different from when you did it.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
It's completely different, And to be honest, I am largely
responsible for I am entirely responsible for starting the model
of monetization of products through reality television. Even the Kardashians
followed me because we had the same agent, and agent
then followed me by inserting their Sears deal into E
(38:05):
So because I started the whole entire practice of inserting
a brand into reality television. I started that with my
Skinny Girl cocktail. The Kardashians followed with the Seers deal
in The Kardashian Show, and all the other housewive've seeing
my success really wanted to have something to market and
p K when he met me with Kyle and Boy
(38:28):
George said to me, dered is doing the show because
of what you did. And I've heard that from housewives
to this day. Who join they want to do what
I did with Skinny Girl.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
So that's.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Good because why else would they be on the show
and expose their lives? Bad because the audience wants it
to feel real, not like every scene is a commercial.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah, but I hear that, But I still, I mean,
I don't see the thing necessarily wrong with that. It's
just smart. You're smart marketing your you know it's smart,
and I don't. I don't think it really necessarily takes
away from the entertainment of the show. I think that
is the name of the game in reality TV. It's
it's entertainment. It's that it always has a bigger reason,
(39:15):
it always has a reason to exist. As I said
Golden Bachelor, the bigger reason, of course it entertains, but
the bigger reason is people of a certain age being
able to find love and have a second chance at
love and making good friends. And that's the message.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Oh yeah, that you have to have a thread and
a foundation. But then you're entertaining exactly, but that was
a great threat, so.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
You're so on the Housewives. I don't. I think it's
it's just smart. It's it's smart business figuring out how
you want to market whatever your brand is, whatever your
thing is, while you're entertaining people.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
And it's now become you need all this content. You
have all these different shows and you need this content.
And it's become a circular reference because women go on
the show who are not famous, and then they're shooting
scenes with photo shoots because of the fame that the
show has generated. So that's evolved too. In the very beginning,
on shows like The Kardashians or Jersey Shore or you know,
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even though they were instantaneously successful, they would never show
the paparazzi shooting you because the paparazzi was shooting you
because of this show that you're on show, which is
portraying you as a real person. So it's become a
circular reference if that means it's very meta.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Total sense. But I think I think my experience has
told me people are very willing to suspend judgment and
suspend reality if you will, or a reality show, and.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
That could not be now they break the fourth wall, Yes,
one hundred percent. That's all evolved, and that's interesting. I
think it's always been interesting. Like they'll show a camera
guy in a fight with someone or something. They never
used to show things like that. Now they'll show, you know,
a girl yelling out production when she wants to see
him to stop.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
That's new and evolving.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Erica I recognize on the show making a meal out
of the show early, like she came in and was
like she had this pop career that she was sort
of really going to start, and then she's like, I'm
going to be on Young and the Restless, and she
later did I think like a shoe deal and you
know Chicago as I think it's roxy Like I really
appreciate that she came in and was like I'm going
(41:23):
to devour the show and I'm putting on all the
hair and makeup and doing it like she really devoured
and ate the show. Was like I'm going to be
a housewife's going to take every opportunity.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
And strong, a strong woman who's who has a plan,
and she executed it.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, yes exactly. I mean she just
came in.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
She was like I'm saying yes to everything, whatever it is,
and she does I don't know overall, I don't know
what she's doing now, but it just feels like she
just came in and was like I'm making a meal
out of the show, no matter what, I'm taking everything.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, I mean she she definitely had a strong personality.
I saw myself and her a little bit just in
the know strength of personality. But I again, I have
nothing but admiration for women who can who can look
scan the scan the landscape and said this is what
I'm going to do and this is how it's going
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to work for me, Yeah, the' wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
And I think that exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I think that the Kyle situation is really interesting because
that was years ago. This is the first time we
see her allude to the she and again because of
the show. You know, Mauricio's business was much more successful
because of the show. He was a successful realtor, but
this this popped him off. So they both popped off.
This show benefited her career his career, and his career
(42:41):
benefits her because you know, they're fifty to fifty down
the middle of been married for one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
But it was the first time you.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Hear her say that, like, I'm really busy and he's
really busy, and so we have to make the time
and he came to visit her, and I did not
think of it at the time, but knowing what I
know now, you're thinking of it's going to be a struggle,
both of them having the careers and how are they
going to really connect and stay together.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
And in life and in their marriage.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
There's been a division now they both, you know, and
it's kind of her turn. And this was a foreshadowing
that I wasn't expecting this early on.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
But again, yeah, I don't you know. I know about
as much as what you just said that they're you know,
the marriage are separated. But I think people that part
is real for people. You know, how many women are
successful women successful men. That speaks I think speaks to
women who are going through that they can they feel validated.
(43:41):
They feel like she may be in the limelight, but
they're living the same kind of uh issues and the
same and I think people like that. People like that.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I feel that no, yeah it's been or it's been
all his heart turnout its supposed to be mine or yeah,
I agree, I agree.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
But the day, at the end of the day, you know,
he's been very successful. She has and that's the price
you pay.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Right Yeah? No, yeah, well no, And they live in
Beverly Beverly Hills, issu. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
They live in that world of fame and now they're
on reality television and he just did Dancing with the Stars,
and you know, there is a price. I couldn't do it.
I couldn't do it with another person that was public.
It would annoy it would annoy me. Like I you met,
you were with someone who wasn't part of that. But
like she came in and really they just lived in
like Fame Central, and so it was inevitable. And I
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don't know how anyone could sustain a relationship on that show,
much less in that business, much less in that town.
So I give them credit for all these years I'm
raising well adjusted girls and for you know, consciously uncoupling.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
But it's a price, and you see it's been paid.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
But you know what, maybe I'm maybe I told you
I live in the real world. Maybe I think it's
the price people pay in marriages when they when they
consciously uncouple, or when they when it's just hell and
brimstone and fire. I mean, that's just those are relationships,
and that's real life. And this has played out obviously
more publicly, but I just think that is we talk
(45:17):
about reality shows not being real, but that's real life.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
And no, no, no, that's that's real life. And also
they could have easily been out of the line light
and broken up after twenty seven years in marriage.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Doesn't mean.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
And also they were on the same page in doing
this journey, like making this money for this business together
in a public way. If you're not on the same
page or someone else, that would be hard to if
you had somebody who did not want the linlight, you
wanted it. You wanted to go blow your business up
on television. So they were on the same page, and
they're still on the same page with their kids. It's
just interesting that this showed up so early about having
(45:54):
to find a way to support each other, and twenty
seven years is a success.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
It's an accomplishment.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, so that was the show. That was the Beverly
Hills Housewives. You your lost your virginity.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I just really wanted to go to that party. I
really wanted and the gold Foil hair. We didn't even
talk about the gold Foyle hair.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I wasn't a big fan of it, but I like
the commitment to it.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I you took the words around. I thought I couldn't
have done it. But she wore it well. She committed
to it for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
She's the resident fashionista and she really loves it, and
she takes the time, and you know, she really makes
an effort. Like it's each It's again something that you
every time you talk. It's something that used to not happen.
It used to not be. It used to be the
people just like it was real, so that you're just
doing wearing whatever you normally would wear, and you know,
(46:53):
doing your own makeup. And that's how Lisa Rinna came
into the show, and she came out of the show
a full fashionista that now goes to fast Weeks and
has her daughters and her models and like a different game.
She's a different visual person than when she entered, as
is Kyle in some ways, as is do eat in
some ways, they like made it a show. And when
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we were on I remember when I left for three seasons,
I came back and it had just started. And it
used to bother me when people would have glam squads
come with them to the Berkshires, because to me, it
didn't seem real.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
It felt for the show.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
And to your point, it's a different show now, and
that's part of the performative theatrics. That wasn't the show
that I signed up to do. I signed up for
the docu series. I didn't sign up for the circus,
So it's just a different thing.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yeah, I get that. One thing you've clarified for me now,
I know why all these women are, you know, size
zero is they don't have time, they don't have time
to eat.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
They're too busy end ozempic.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Oh no, really, yeah, I believe you. Yeah, you know,
I hope it's I hope we don't find out down
the road that there's some uh pathological problem to using
ozembic if you don't really need it. That would not
be that would not be.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Uh looking good and looking riches what matters on the Housewives.
And that mission has been accomplished.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Okay, Well, you know I'm I have something to work towards.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Now, absolutely something to aspire.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
So all right, Well, it was so nice to meet
you and talk to you and get to know you.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
So nice to meet you. You know, you can send
all those single men my way, okay, as well as
long as they're not used to guys.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
All right, And anybody listening, if you know anybody, uh
that would be right.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Please message us at the show. We'll pass it along.
Awesome to meet you.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
And uh someday I want to go shopping with you.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Perfect and one of the women on who's listening to
the show, their father or husband's friend or somebody will
be interested in you.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
So let's see what happens.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Okay, Well, your lip to their ears.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
And right around the block is Valentine's day, so in
the name of love, let's see if we've got any ideas.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Folks, Thank you so much, thank you, Good day you too.
The ladies of Beverly Hills are still on their never
ending Hong Kong trip, and the drama continues. The whole
reason for the trip was to visit the dog rescue,
but it looks like shopping and accusations were higher up
on the priority list. Lisa Rinna defends her accusations about dRIT,
but was she just to mean? Kathy Schwartz from The
Golden Bachelor joins me to recap this episode. This is
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Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season seven, episode seventeen, From
Dogs to Diamonds.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Let's get into it. Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Hi, I'm Bethany.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Nice to meet.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You, to meet you as well.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
How is life?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Life is great? I have a request of you.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh okay, let's do it. Let's hear.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I hate to shop. Next time I'm wherever you are,
will you take me to Marshalls please?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh yes? Or TJ. I know it's crazy, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
People are obsessed with this and it was like such
a weird like, oh no, I.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Watched the ones in your closet. I mean I'm just
like that's so not in my wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you. That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So what's going on? Like, what's how's your life change? Like,
what's happening? What's the you know, what's the update?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So the update is everyone seems to have a date
but me. But you know, I'm getting used to that.
Life is good. You know, I come home, the show
was great fun. I come home to my three kids,
two granddaughters, two geriatric cats, and life goes on?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Does life go on? Though? How is life change? Like?
What is now?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So? You know, I've had some opportunities to do some
fun things with iHeartRadio, and some fun things with the
Bachelor franchise, and you know, a bunch of us are
going to get together next week and wash from the
Golden Batcheorette in DC. And I think it's just more
having fun for me. I coming back from that show,
(02:02):
I just realized that, you know, it sounds so tripe,
but every day's precious and I just kind of like
to have fun. So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And how has the experience been and changed your life for?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
What do you know? I mean, what do you think
about the experience?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I mean, for me, I knew pretty pretty quickly that
Gary and I were going to be in the friend zone.
So for me, I was able to really quickly say Okay,
this is going to be fun, this is going to
be an adventure. And it was. I made great friends,
and I loved watching the you know, watching the machinations
of the show and how they do what they do.
(02:37):
And I came home with a bunch of friends. I mean,
I just I didn't find the guide. But you know what,
what were the other.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Do you mind if I ask how old you are?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, you're probably the only one in this country who
doesn't know at this point, but I am seventy. They
put it up on when you're on the show. It's
you know, Kathy Austin, Texas, seventy years old.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So what is dating like?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
What is that? Actually it does not exist?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Or what is it?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
What's the real deal?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
The real deal? I only speak trust me, I'm such
a I am a real reality person here. I haven't
had a date since the show. I had been dating
a guy up until about on a four or five
months before the show began. It's been about a year
since I've had a date. I've got a couple of
guy friends we do stuff with.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But do you feel like you have game? And what's
your age range? When you were twenty three, you're like, oh,
I want to be married by twenty five, And then
you were thirty seven and you were breaking off an
engagement or still single and hadn't had a kid yet,
and then that you thought you were old, and then
you get you know what I mean, It's like Charlie Brown,
(03:45):
the football keeps moving and honestly speaking, I still feel young,
and not in a way that's like vitamin.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Commercial, just literally.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
So I think sometimes we're delusional because we're not aware
of how you know what I'm saying, Like, it's great
that we feel young, but like you look at guys
or girls and you think they're like around your age
because you feel young, but they're not.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
They're much younger. They're living a different experience.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So I'm asking you, like what it really is, like,
like who do you feel like you could date, and
what are you looking for and what age range and
like what is the real story with that?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Okay, so let me just by way of answering, let
me just give you a little bit of my history.
I was married at twenty years old, and my husband
passed away by suicide almost five years ago, so I
was married forty six years, just short of forty six years.
So my situation wasn't that of dating in my twenties
and thirties. You know, I have kids when I turn thirty,
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and so I'm sort of living life in reverse because
now I am dating and meeting people, not today but
in general. So my problem is, yes, I am seventy,
but I am incredibly fit, and I do every sport
I can do, and I love to travel, and I
have tons of energy. And most of the men I've
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said it, I don't know if you've heard it, I
call them used to guys. I'm tired of used to guys.
They used to play tennis, they used to ski, they
used to kayak, and now they sit on the sofa.
So that's been my experience that culturally men want to
date younger women. That's our culture seeming for the most part.
(05:27):
And men who reach out to me are older and
don't really have energy, and that just doesn't work. So
what I get the younger guy, sure, but they're not
reaching out to me. If they have any snap, they're
looking at you.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Right, It's a it's a slipper, it's a sliding scale.
So I think though there's probably like seven to nine
years in each direction. Like in other words, you could
be with a young seventy eight, and I think you
could be with a sixty three who's like confident and
secure because they weren't looking at the number.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
They were looking at an app.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
They saw your picture and they just liked it and
then they were like, Okay, let's try this.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know what I mean. It's a it's a psychological game.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I think I find that men who have more than
one child and who have been through it don't want
someone too much younger because the references are different than like,
it's it seems like another bowl of aggravation.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Well, I would like to agree with you, but that
has not been my experience. When I was on the
dating apps up until you're right before one of the show,
I never had younger men reach out to me unless
they were thirty five and they wanted to be my child,
which is a whole different conversation. You know, I didn't
have younger guys. Most of the men that reached out
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to me were sixty nine to eighty.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Okay, yeah, I mean I get that that does track.
That makes sense. I'm a thinking and also, you know,
there's something to be said for like all of a sudden,
like a sixty one year old reaches out to you.
You're walking in insecure, are already thinking about it like
that's annoying too, feeling like there's like a chip on
the shoulder of it, you know what I mean, Like
you're thinking.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Do what I will say. I'm a very confident, secure person,
so that really wouldn't bother me. What what I'm looking
for may or may not be found, But I'm okay.
I had to get okay. I wasn't okay when my
husband first died. But I've gotten I've gotten good being
by myself and living my life. And if you know,
(07:31):
I live my life the way I want to, and
if the right person comes into my life, that would
be great. But I'm not. That's not that is not
my life goal now to find a man.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Well, it's also interesting because you said you were married
for so many years and you're just used to relationship.
If you were someone who had spent many years single,
it would be challenging wanting to go back in and
be bound to someone like in other words, you did that.
Many friends that I have that are married say if
they got divorced, they would never want to get married again,
Like they don't understand why you're going to have kids
(08:01):
or or there's some financial reason.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
They're like, why would why get married again?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I mean, I'm not saying I wouldn't get married. I'm
just saying that I agreed to some extent. You know,
I have my kids, I have my life, and really
I don't want to cook, you know, do your own laundry,
pick up your socks. You know, I've played that game.
So it would have to be a really special guy
that had had good energy and wanted to travel and
(08:29):
and have fun, because there's enough misery in this world
that if you get the chance to go and have
fun and live life, why not. But I just haven't met.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Them, Okay, all right, Well it's interesting. I just think.
And you're on the apps or you gave a break.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You haven't been on them since I came back.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You just don't it's depressed.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, I'm just not. Yeah, I'm just kind of living
my life and enjoying what I do for me. And
if i've you know, I've met a few guys inadvertently,
but nobody that I really wanted to much time with.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I don't think, No, I think because of mingle my mocktail.
Actually this is mingle my mocktail. We're talking. I was
saying something for Valentine's Day, single and ready to mingle,
and I was talking to a couple of people I
know who are in the dating app.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Business as a business.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Someone wanted me to invest and I I know someone
who runs one of the apps and is also a matchmaker.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I don't know. I think you should.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I think you have to be on the I can't
believe I'm saying this because years ago I was the
last one to even contemplate this. It felt so I
felt so exposed. But I think the apps are amazing.
You just have to like know how to play them.
I think it's like anything else. I think it's like
being in a bar, and some people have game in
a bar and some people don't. And some people have
game on the apps and some people don't.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And I think you have I think I think I
have gained. But the one thing that I cannot surmount
or haven't been able to, is age. And I will
say I've gone out with a few men who say,
you know, you're just too independent, You're too active for me.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You're not gonna dumb it down, I'm out of here,
of course. No, I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You don't have a game in who you are game
and how to play the apps too. I think there's
a there's a necessary strategy in how to play the
apps as a game. So I don't think everybody has
that or the patience you get like full and grossed out,
like you're like swiping and you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
So you remember I saw I'm originally from the Northeast.
I'm from outside of Boston, and I don't have that
personality that says, you know, bless your little heart. I'm
pretty direct and straightforward and that doesn't necessarily play so
well in Texas.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
But that's where you are now, Texas.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I live in Austin.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, okay, great, all right, well very interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I usually don't talk that much before rewives, but I
just was interested in you.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
So thank you. Uh you're beautiful and.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Less the journey take you where it's going to go,
But I think it's I just think it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So have you are you a Housewives fan to begin
with or is this like a new foray into it.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It has been a new foray into it for me
and I have to tell you, I struggle a little
bit because the episodes I've watched from previous years are
previous seasons. The brunettes I can keep straight, but the
blondes all kind of look the same to me.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Okay, well that's funny, and well, yeah, I could see that.
I could see that in certain ways with some of
these girls. Well, we're going to get into it. I'm
glad you have a fresh perspective. This is Beverly Hills.
It's currently the most popular and most successful of the franchise.
I think the one of the characters in Beverly Hills
is the b roll and showing the wealth, or you know,
(11:53):
at least the.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Exhibited wealth.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I'm saying, not everybody has what they say that have,
but they're showing whatever it is. And this is an
episode that was season seven before everybody popped off in
certain ways. And I was writing this down because in
certain scenes, certain women here hadn't started their air mes era,
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hadn't started like their real like wealth showoff era and
their glam era. So we'll get into that. But all right,
So these girls go to dinner in Hong Kong. They're
on a trip to Hong Kong because Lisa vander Pump
is bringing them to see the rescue dogs, which is
amazing because I mean, it's it's we don't really think
about that that much. And the fact that they eat
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dog and there are pets, that's that's brutal.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So that's the There.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Always needs to be on the Housewives, some sort of
foundation for why a trip is happening, even though production
is paying for the trip and the hotel and all
that stuff, or getting in integration.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
That's that's that part.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
So I didn't see the dinner, but Lisa rinna uh
I guess had been accused of doing xanax or taking
xanax cocktails smoothies, and she then point blank says to Dori,
were people doing cocaine at your house? Because everyone left
the table and went to the bathroom. So what do
you think of this exchange?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, I have to say, when I heard that, it
sort of came out of in my mind, came out
of nowhere, right. But I thought that Derek's answer was
I loved it. Well, I certainly wasn't, which just me
opened up a whole can of worms. You know, it's
not always what you say, but sometimes what you don't
say or how you say it.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So, so you thought something did go she did something
did go down? It is it is something I can't
imagine Lisa Rinna saying if there wasn't any foundation, she
is a resident shit sir. That's no longer on the show,
but it still did when you looked at the thing
from the table, where did everybody go?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And by the way, people are.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Stupid enough to do cocaine while shooting a housewife show
the activation and you would know this and the there's
an activation and like a nervous system and adrenaline of
shooting reality TV that like people get excited about everything.
So I could see that actually happening. I don't remember
the scene or anything, but I could see that actually happening,
and you're right.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Her answer was good, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Mean so, so you know, I I think that I
think you're right. In that moment, they're sort of forgetting that.
I love I love the the you know, the face
covering the head, and they're all sort of looking that.
The dramatics were just great.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Right because they all probably knew about this ahead of time.
But everyone has everyone half the cast as an actress.
So that's the other thing. So four out of six
women there are actresses, so it's like, oh, you know,
it could be it's somebody asks.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
You if they if they want to be actresses. It's
questionable to me, why would you? Why would you? I
can think of a lot of conversations I might have
with a group of women, some women I like better
than others. But would you really want to have that
conversation about cocaine in a bathroom if you were trying,
if you weren't aspiring anything.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, that's a great question. Here's the thing about the housewives.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So one time Jill Zarren did a deal with Kodak,
and Ramona on camera said to her, why would you
do a deal with Kodak? It's so archaic, which like
ruined the relationship. And once it's out there, the producers
love that anything bad the producers love, and so it's airing.
So there's always going to be a risk of reputational risk.
You could have a party for your amazing product, but
(15:33):
if someone else says something shitty about it, which invariably happened.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's happened on Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
If someone has their hair extensions, or someone has a
fitness video or some so someone's going to say something
crappy about your brand no matter what, and there's always
going to be there's always going to.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Be a risk. And that's the thing about being on
the Housewives.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
People ruin their careers and no matter what, no matter
whether it's Kyle, Eileen or Lisa, the same opportunities in
acting don't come up or you have to work extra
hard to get them because you've now gone onto a
different type of reality TV and you're not taken as
seriously as an actress.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So you have to lean into this spot.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And I think that, I mean, this show has been
on you would know how many seasons, so clearly, clearly
whatever is going on, the machinations, the families, the issues,
the personal issues. If people love it it's entertaining.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well that's the price.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
The price is you're going to come in and someone's
going to say you do cocaine, And that's what you
have to give up to get paid and be relevant
and famous. By the way, speaking of age, for many
women in their fifties, where where are they getting a
job to make this kind of money when they've already
they've been married, they've spent their life on someone else
or their kids, or they used to be to bring
(16:50):
up your language, used to be a countess, used to
be married to account, used to be married to a
Morgan on JP Morgan, used to be married to Kelsey Grammar,
who you know was? They were all the plus ones.
So now they are the main characters. And at this age,
the price to pay is someone's going to say you
did cocaine. And if someone thinks something about you, they're
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always going to bring it out, no matter how salacious
it is, because that's what keeps you alive as a
cast member on the show.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I mean, I can't argue with what you're saying. I guess,
but I don't think necessarily women who do that show
think of it as a pejorative situation to be and
they know they've been on the show many seasons, they
make money from it, they have fun, they want to
do it. No one's forcing them to do it.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And it's funny because I've had this reality reckoning that
I brought up because of people who have left the show,
and it's ruined their lives. Not really the people who
have stayed on. It's more people who have left or
have been fired or cast aside It's like many other things.
Some people are crushing it and other people are really
getting crushed and walking into it. You may not know
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which pile you're going to end up in. You may
not have what it takes to say that somebody else
was doing cocaine.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, right, well, and that, you know, for for me,
for my foray into reality TV obviously has been The
Golden Bachelor, and that's a very different situation because our
women were very supportive of each other. Our show was
about finding love and friendship and it really was about that.
So so this has seems to have a different premise, yes,
(18:34):
but there seems to be buy into it and certainly
a great amount of financial remuneration for these women and
success for the network. So you know what I can't
You know what can I say?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, nothing, We're just commenting on the episode.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I just want their clothes and their shoes and their jewelry,
and I want someone else to buy them for me.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Well. The thing is that at this era it hadn't
popped off yet. So Erica, the one who went to
be on Young and the Restless, she came in and
she changed the fashion and closing jewelry narrative on the
show because she came in and she was in costume
(19:15):
every scene, like she has a different hair, doing a
different outfit, a different necklace, and she has a stylist crew.
And she ended up getting into trouble because her husband
was stealing money and they kind of she got caught
in the crossfire. And then where did all this money
come from? So there was a lot of her expense
it's expensive to be me, and the planes she was
flying on, and she was kind of a lot of show,
(19:36):
but there wasn't a lot of go because he owed
everybody money. So it was like a perfect Housewives thing,
But she came in really spending on the role and
it really raised everyone else's game. At this point, Dorie
is doing her hair differently for events, but it's not
like a full on costume. And now in twenty twenty four, Dorie,
every single hair style moment is a moment. And Lisa
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Rinna used to wear the same sheath dress and the
same haircut throughout an entire episode a season. Then later
on she came in and became a fashionista and fought
and copied Erica and like the different hairstyles, and even
Kyle used to not like now her air mes bag
is front and center, and like everyone stepped up their
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fashion game. I must give the credit to Erica Dorit
kind of copied Erica a little, and then everybody copied
Doriat and Erica. But I want to give the credit
to the ones who started. It's really Erica and then
Dori Eat, and then Lisa Renna and Kyle fell In.
But now it's like a fashion show in twenty twenty four,
of labels and logos at another level.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And I can only say that is probably not well
be hanging my hat next week, because I would just
I'll be the one sweeping the floors and doing the
dishes in the kitchen. I mean, I just I couldn't
even imagine trying to keep up with that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I could, by the way, I couldn't either. It would
not be enjoyable for me.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's not real either, That's the thing. It's not real.
It's costume. But they've created this world where this particular
show is more about the theatrics, and that's what the
Housewise has evolved to be about in twenty twenty four.
It's more of a stage performance than like a gritty,
real performance.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Okay, but let me ask you, do you think I
think a lot. Again, my first foray into this was
Golden Matcher. But I think there is such a place
for reality TV. I think a lot of my friends,
my daughter watches a lot of reality TV, and they
all say the same thing, that it's entertaining, it's fun.
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They like you know, they like feeling and being a
part of someone's exciting quote unquote life. Right, you know
what's wrong with that? I don't really have a problem
with that.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
No, I don't really have a problem with it either.
In less people are unless people are being exploited, and
that's what I was saying before, But that's a separate, complete,
separate topic.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Everyone here wants.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
To be here, and at this point in twenty twenty four, yes,
after all that's been discussed said, people are there because
they sign up for it.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
You sign up for it, and that's what it is.
There's been enough knowledge about the fact that it could
go sideways or you could do really well, and that's
a risk you take. So whenever people ask me if
they should do it, I really don't even answer, because
it's really up to them. They've seen what it could
be or what it can't be? The woman Eden, Yeah,
(22:31):
she's the one who buys eric a ring. I didn't
hear her say a word the whole entire episode. I
don't even know how many episodes she was on or
how many seasons she could have been a mummy.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
So that is so funny you say that because when
I watched the episode, and you know, they at the
beginning they show the women who they are, their names,
and then this woman eating shows up buying a ring
for her friend, and I'm like, wait, did I miss
something here? Because I don't know who she is.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I still don't either, so yeah, don't worry.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
That's you know, okay, good, I feel little. It gives
me hope that I can pop it into an into
an episode and wait, what's she doing?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I have no idea, no idea where she came from,
and I don't know how long she was on.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I assume one season.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah. The part that fascinated me was p K Dorri's
husband seemed so invested in talking about Lisa, you know,
just talking.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
About love you exactly. We're going there, We're going there.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Do you think it was ghost to ask about the
price for the ring? Even within the constructs of a
television show, or it gave context.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It gave context like.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I mean, I think to me, I I didn't even
go there where I was laughing. I picked up right
away that she was giving the foreign exchange. So it
was not eleven thousand whatever it was yen or wherever. So,
but to me it was comical that, oh, it was
only one hundred and seventy dollars, never mind buy me
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something more expensive. I mean, because she did not pick
up on it right away that it was not US dollars.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, if it was seventeen thousand, she was gonna have
to be this girl's best friend.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I mean, I can't be bought. Are you really good
at if someone buys me a seventeen thousand dollars ring,
I'm going to ask, have you lost your mind? I mean,
that's just not He's not what friendship is.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I know.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It seems like that girl, because she doesn't have isn't
speaking a lot and probably can't find her way to
get in like the double Dutch game and jump in
she was buying to like, you know, I get it.
I see that it was only one hundred and seventy dollars.
But these women, many of these women can be bought,
so it's expensive to be Erica. And if it was
seventeen thousand, Eric, I would have just had to, you know,
(24:39):
take a hit and be her best friend. So luckily
it was one hundred and seventy and we move on.
What did you think of the dogs?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
My god, I thought it was so sweet and sad
and it broke my heart.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
It did. My family's always had dogs. My daughter rescued
a dog. I rescue two kittens at five weeks old
from the pound. We're big rescue family. Hair. So yeah,
that's hard to watch seeing that. I mean, I love
that there is that message coming through. That's a good
(25:10):
message to come through that show. So yeah, I thought
that was great.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, it's a great message to come through that show.
I totally agree. And Lisa vander Pump, who is you know,
running that dog charity, She's the one on the show
that's the most It's funny that I think the audience
either never totally caught onto it or really caught onto it.
It doesn't care because she's like the is it Crystal Carrington.
(25:36):
She's the one who's like constantly working machinations in her mind,
Like every word she chooses it's like designed for some
strategic purpose, like she's moving the board around at all times.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, although maybe, but I also think she's she seems
to be somewhat empathetic to to at certain times in
the show. I can't pull one up right now in
my head. But but the thing that stood out to
me about her, I want to go to one of
her parties. I want that guy to come and decorate
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my house. I mean, or can I be one of
her ponies? I know, I want the glitter on my nails,
Come on.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I mean, that's why she was a big loss on
the Housewives, Like they lost her and some housewives. I mean,
she was a good housewife to begin with, but then
also losing the character that like has the trappings, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And yeah I do, But I just something just struck
me when you said she's a good housewife, the irony
of saying that, because traditionally, when you see someone's a
good housewife in my generation, you know, they keep a
clean house, they take care of the kids, they do
the long Being a good housewife in this series has
nothing to do with any of those things.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It has to do with entertaining and like I said,
being strategy and having a good backdrop, which she has,
and she's got some good lines.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
But she's like, she's like a nice villain. I can't
explain it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
She's like a villain because you know, she's always like
plotting something, but it's landing.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's why she's a good villain. It's landing.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It's landing and it's working. And and you know, to
your point, if you if you're smart enough to be
on that show, you better be smart enough to figure
out your next steps.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, she was always playing the game, and other people
are pretending they're not playing the game and like it's
real when it isn't real. So at least she's like
fully coming out with it, but some people are. I mean,
people would say I was. I was certainly real if
nothing else.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, well my middle name is real. So I mean
they would get what they paid for with me, I
can assure.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You, yes, So Erica and Eileen. I liked that acting scene.
I thought Erica was pretty good. I thought she was
all right.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I think you know, I think they I thought it
was very sad that they ruined that pretty jacket to
the coffee. But you know, that's just the.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Price of that's the price, and it was buy a
cheap o jacket, not a couture jacket, but.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
P K.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
So it's really interesting because he's like a housewife. Simon
years ago was on our show, was Alex's husband. He
was like in the drama. He was at women's events
and he was in the drama and you were picking
up you earlier were picking up that. It's like almost
like they've given him the script ahead of time for
the scene, and he knows the beats to hit. So
he's gonna have to like take a few swipes at
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certain housewives. But you know, and there's also something admirable.
He lives for his wife. He's loyal to her to
a fault. He'll buy her anything, even if he probably
can't even afford everything he's buying her because they live
a life that's crazy. And you know, there's been a
lot of speculation about that, but you know, it's endearing
that he loves her so much. But every single word
is another swipe and another housewife.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Well you know, wait, can we just back up for
a second. How many times I was trying to think,
did my husband ever pick up the phone and call
me in the house and say, honey, come down and
have a drink with me. Oh right, let's start with that. Yeah,
And then you know he stands across he's serving her.
(29:12):
I just that whole scene was incredible. But I think
that again, in my life, my husband would no more
have wanted to be involved in that. So I was
fascinated that he It seemed like they are a cocktail
hour chat. Literally that's you know, how was your day, honey? Well,
you know I had a business meeting and I nope,
(29:35):
their day was about what Lisa Renna had to I mean,
it just it just wouldn't happen in my.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Word, by the way, it would never happen in my world.
I would never I've never dated a man who would
be interested in going deep on something like that, and
like you said, so invested in a very nice, politically correct,
diplomatic way.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
But it's it's a little.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And I think it's gone on throughout the season because
certain husbands want, like may want to be main character
energy and like some husbands dissolve in the background, and
some jump right in front of that camera and love it.
Like there's a guy on Jersey Melissa Gorgo's husband. He
jumps right in front and loves to be the star.
Simon on our show used to some husbands really like
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the light. You could tell the p K likes the light,
wants to be part of it, and the producers like
him too. I'm sure and I'm sure you know and
it but it does seem a little put on. This
like cocktail hour and call it seems a little put
on for the show.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
A vacuum in a vacuum, Yes, uh, because he's just
there for that scene and and obviously it develops and
there's and there's more going on. It was the same
thing with Mauricio with when she's cutting the you know,
with the pinking chairs, cutting the dress off, and he's
kind of looking at the word on. We came to mind,
(30:52):
like completely bored.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Right right, Like he gives a shit about a lace's
bottom dress exactly, and he's saying that's fair too.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Again I could again, I just went back thinking, you know,
my husband, would you know, take you know, get the
thing on. We got fifteen minutes, let's go. It would
not be lounging in a chair talking about the issues
around one leg longer than the other address. I found
that humorous for myself.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, well that's the you listen, you're not watching to
watch everybody just like you.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You know, if I.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Have had Paul like carry my beach toe because it is
a little heavy because it's carrying both of us stuff
like he doesn't want to be wearing like a Chanell
beach tote.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Isn't like the way and no one's even seeing it.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
It's just like he would not be until like doing
a gaggle of gossip on the housewives either.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
But let me say Bethany isn't part of this show again.
The people I know who are really invested in the show,
they love the labels and the looking at the homes
and all the quote unquote finery. That's part of what
makes this show so successful, I think.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
No, that's that it's performative, and people are cast now
more than ever for how wealthy they look to be.
There could be an amazing character, and there have been,
but their apartments aren't great and the producers are kind
of telling them they have to improve their their whereabouts.
And when I started, we didn't even have hair and makeup.
And you look at me right now, I have no
makeup on I'm sitting home in a card again, this
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is what it was like in the beginning, because I
thought I was doing a reality show, and I do
think there are shows like that that are It's really
it's funny because no one calls it this. It's supposed
to be a docuseries, and they don't use that name
that much anymore because it really doesn't feel docused.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It supposed to be a docuseries.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That's what it's pitched as initially a docuseries, So that's
what that's We've never discussed this before, which is interesting.
Housewives was intended and sold in rooms to be a docuseries.
That's that's what the format is for Housewives, and a
lot of these shows they don't really use that terminology
that much, presumably because it doesn't feel docu at all anymore.
(32:59):
But when and if you look at the first seasons
of Myself and Jill's Arn and Alex and Simon, the
houses weren't perfect, We weren't perfect, the backdrops weren't perfect,
there was no makeup or the glam wasn't perfect. It
was more docuseries because it wasn't so performative in such theatrics,
and there's something to be said for that as well.
That also is not like Golden Bachelor, but it was
very textured and very more like independent television show than
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it is now.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
So why do you think the evolution has brought it
to where it is today?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Then because the success of it in watching people in
this fish bowl made other people watch how it's done,
how the sausage gets made. So you watch Teresa flip
a table, you're worried you're going to go on the
show and what are you going.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
To do to top that?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Or you saw Kyle and her arimez bag, or you
saw Erica in her closet. So you're going to come
on the show as a new person fifteen years later
and you're going to show your stylist and your house
and you're going to probably not even be able to
afford that house, but you're on the show, so you
think you have to show all of that. So it's
like the bar keeps getting raised. When we were on
it was a docu series about us, but then the
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next season someone saw what we did and they had the.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Knowledge of the show.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
They watched it. We'd never watched it. It never existed,
So so you're giving me.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
A great idea. They should now just throw in occasionally
someone who was a really normal like me.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They can't, It doesn't They've tried. It's not normal. But
they tried to have Denise richards On and she did
do well. But the problem was she was showing up
on a vacation on a balcony wearing gene shorts, which
is what a normal human being would wear. They were
wearing ball gowns. She looks like shit compared to them.
The audience is then pressuring her. She was a bond girl.
She's stunning, but the audience is then pressuring her, pressuring
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other people, get your teeth done, get you whatever, because
everybody's in high death, which we weren't inn HD and
everybody like so it's just like, you can't go in
there and be in an Ikea apartment like I was
when I started, and sit next to Erica the audience
or you are going to feel strange.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Okay. So that's that just underscores what I'm saying that
the escapism, the the uh, the boy orism, if you will,
I imagine yourself in that life is what is popular
and what people love and that's that's.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, it's changed, it's evolved, and many many people yes
agree with that. The ratings are not what they used
to be, partially because you know, how much too much
of a good thing is too much, Partially because of
the whole landscape of entertainment has changed. And also many
people are turned off by it. They don't want you know,
they don't believe it's real. You know, the trips are
(35:42):
not really them. People used to think that we were
really I was really taking people on a trip or
some so, you know, it's just a different story now.
So anyway, I don't know why we got so into that.
Who cares, But that's just an education on what it
is and what it used to be. It doesn't make
it bad, but it's just it has to constantly evolve. Yeah,
(36:11):
So Kyle had a show.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I liked to seeing her in that role.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I think it was only one season, but I liked
seeing her as a producer. And there was some drama
about it because it was a show that was about
her family and it kind of created a rift between
her and her sister Kathy Hilton, and I was sort
of kind of I don't know if I was glad
that it didn't continue or not glad, but it caused
(36:36):
a problem in her family.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It was like a sore spot.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So when that dissolved, it created a way for them
to get back together.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
And I will say when I watched that scene, it
sort of just that just seemed inserted into the show
as well. That the production scene kind of there wasn't
any context for someone who hadn't balled it all the
way along.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
It looked like a commercial for because that's a situation
where a housewife has really urged production to include something
that they're doing into the show, likely in exchange for
something else. I'll do this over here, but you have
to put that on. That happens a lot like Lisa
had to lobby to get the dog thing as the
trip up because five other people are lobbying for their
(37:21):
thing to be the trip or the finale, or the
scene or the dinner. So that's another thing that used
to not be the same. Now it's like a competition
kind of people really want their thing to be highlighted.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
So when you did your show, when you did the
New York was it, it sounds like it's just completely
different from when you did it.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
It's completely different, And to be honest, I am largely
responsible for I am entirely responsible for starting the model
of monetization of products through reality television. Even the Kardashians
followed me because we had the same agent, and agent
then followed me by inserting their Sears deal into E
(38:05):
So because I started the whole entire practice of inserting
a brand into reality television. I started that with my
Skinny Girl cocktail. The Kardashians followed with the Seers deal
in The Kardashian Show, and all the other housewive've seeing
my success really wanted to have something to market and
p K when he met me with Kyle and Boy
(38:28):
George said to me, dered is doing the show because
of what you did. And I've heard that from housewives
to this day. Who join they want to do what
I did with Skinny Girl.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
So that's.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Good because why else would they be on the show
and expose their lives? Bad because the audience wants it
to feel real, not like every scene is a commercial.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah, but I hear that, But I still, I mean,
I don't see the thing necessarily wrong with that. It's
just smart. You're smart marketing your you know it's smart,
and I don't. I don't think it really necessarily takes
away from the entertainment of the show. I think that
is the name of the game in reality TV. It's
it's entertainment. It's that it always has a bigger reason,
(39:15):
it always has a reason to exist. As I said
Golden Bachelor, the bigger reason, of course it entertains, but
the bigger reason is people of a certain age being
able to find love and have a second chance at
love and making good friends. And that's the message.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Oh yeah, that you have to have a thread and
a foundation. But then you're entertaining exactly, but that was
a great threat, so.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
You're so on the Housewives. I don't. I think it's
it's just smart. It's it's smart business figuring out how
you want to market whatever your brand is, whatever your
thing is, while you're entertaining people.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
And it's now become you need all this content. You
have all these different shows and you need this content.
And it's become a circular reference because women go on
the show who are not famous, and then they're shooting
scenes with photo shoots because of the fame that the
show has generated. So that's evolved too. In the very beginning,
on shows like The Kardashians or Jersey Shore or you know,
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even though they were instantaneously successful, they would never show
the paparazzi shooting you because the paparazzi was shooting you
because of this show that you're on show, which is
portraying you as a real person. So it's become a
circular reference if that means it's very meta.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Total sense. But I think I think my experience has
told me people are very willing to suspend judgment and
suspend reality if you will, or a reality show, and.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
That could not be now they break the fourth wall, Yes,
one hundred percent. That's all evolved, and that's interesting. I
think it's always been interesting. Like they'll show a camera
guy in a fight with someone or something. They never
used to show things like that. Now they'll show, you know,
a girl yelling out production when she wants to see
him to stop.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
That's new and evolving.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Erica I recognize on the show making a meal out
of the show early, like she came in and was
like she had this pop career that she was sort
of really going to start, and then she's like, I'm
going to be on Young and the Restless, and she
later did I think like a shoe deal and you
know Chicago as I think it's roxy Like I really
appreciate that she came in and was like I'm going
(41:23):
to devour the show and I'm putting on all the
hair and makeup and doing it like she really devoured
and ate the show. Was like I'm going to be
a housewife's going to take every opportunity.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
And strong, a strong woman who's who has a plan,
and she executed it.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, yes exactly. I mean she just
came in.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
She was like I'm saying yes to everything, whatever it is,
and she does I don't know overall, I don't know
what she's doing now, but it just feels like she
just came in and was like I'm making a meal
out of the show, no matter what, I'm taking everything.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, I mean she she definitely had a strong personality.
I saw myself and her a little bit just in
the know strength of personality. But I again, I have
nothing but admiration for women who can who can look
scan the scan the landscape and said this is what
I'm going to do and this is how it's going
(42:14):
to work for me, Yeah, the' wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
And I think that exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I think that the Kyle situation is really interesting because
that was years ago. This is the first time we
see her allude to the she and again because of
the show. You know, Mauricio's business was much more successful
because of the show. He was a successful realtor, but
this this popped him off. So they both popped off.
This show benefited her career his career, and his career
(42:41):
benefits her because you know, they're fifty to fifty down
the middle of been married for one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
But it was the first time you.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Hear her say that, like, I'm really busy and he's
really busy, and so we have to make the time
and he came to visit her, and I did not
think of it at the time, but knowing what I
know now, you're thinking of it's going to be a struggle,
both of them having the careers and how are they
going to really connect and stay together.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
And in life and in their marriage.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
There's been a division now they both, you know, and
it's kind of her turn. And this was a foreshadowing
that I wasn't expecting this early on.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
But again, yeah, I don't you know. I know about
as much as what you just said that they're you know,
the marriage are separated. But I think people that part
is real for people. You know, how many women are
successful women successful men. That speaks I think speaks to
women who are going through that they can they feel validated.
(43:41):
They feel like she may be in the limelight, but
they're living the same kind of uh issues and the
same and I think people like that. People like that.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I feel that no, yeah it's been or it's been
all his heart turnout its supposed to be mine or yeah,
I agree, I agree.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
But the day, at the end of the day, you know,
he's been very successful. She has and that's the price
you pay.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Right Yeah? No, yeah, well no, And they live in
Beverly Beverly Hills, issu. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
They live in that world of fame and now they're
on reality television and he just did Dancing with the Stars,
and you know, there is a price. I couldn't do it.
I couldn't do it with another person that was public.
It would annoy it would annoy me. Like I you met,
you were with someone who wasn't part of that. But
like she came in and really they just lived in
like Fame Central, and so it was inevitable. And I
(44:35):
don't know how anyone could sustain a relationship on that show,
much less in that business, much less in that town.
So I give them credit for all these years I'm
raising well adjusted girls and for you know, consciously uncoupling.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
But it's a price, and you see it's been paid.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
But you know what, maybe I'm maybe I told you
I live in the real world. Maybe I think it's
the price people pay in marriages when they when they
consciously uncouple, or when they when it's just hell and
brimstone and fire. I mean, that's just those are relationships,
and that's real life. And this has played out obviously
more publicly, but I just think that is we talk
(45:17):
about reality shows not being real, but that's real life.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
And no, no, no, that's that's real life. And also
they could have easily been out of the line light
and broken up after twenty seven years in marriage.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Doesn't mean.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
And also they were on the same page in doing
this journey, like making this money for this business together
in a public way. If you're not on the same
page or someone else, that would be hard to if
you had somebody who did not want the linlight, you
wanted it. You wanted to go blow your business up
on television. So they were on the same page, and
they're still on the same page with their kids. It's
just interesting that this showed up so early about having
(45:54):
to find a way to support each other, and twenty
seven years is a success.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
It's an accomplishment.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, so that was the show. That was the Beverly
Hills Housewives. You your lost your virginity.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I just really wanted to go to that party. I
really wanted and the gold Foil hair. We didn't even
talk about the gold Foyle hair.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I wasn't a big fan of it, but I like
the commitment to it.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I you took the words around. I thought I couldn't
have done it. But she wore it well. She committed
to it for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
She's the resident fashionista and she really loves it, and
she takes the time, and you know, she really makes
an effort. Like it's each It's again something that you
every time you talk. It's something that used to not happen.
It used to not be. It used to be the
people just like it was real, so that you're just
doing wearing whatever you normally would wear, and you know,
(46:53):
doing your own makeup. And that's how Lisa Rinna came
into the show, and she came out of the show
a full fashionista that now goes to fast Weeks and
has her daughters and her models and like a different game.
She's a different visual person than when she entered, as
is Kyle in some ways, as is do eat in
some ways, they like made it a show. And when
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we were on I remember when I left for three seasons,
I came back and it had just started. And it
used to bother me when people would have glam squads
come with them to the Berkshires, because to me, it
didn't seem real.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
It felt for the show.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
And to your point, it's a different show now, and
that's part of the performative theatrics. That wasn't the show
that I signed up to do. I signed up for
the docu series. I didn't sign up for the circus,
So it's just a different thing.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yeah, I get that. One thing you've clarified for me now,
I know why all these women are, you know, size
zero is they don't have time, they don't have time
to eat.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
They're too busy end ozempic.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Oh no, really, yeah, I believe you. Yeah, you know,
I hope it's I hope we don't find out down
the road that there's some uh pathological problem to using
ozembic if you don't really need it. That would not
be that would not be.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Uh looking good and looking riches what matters on the Housewives.
And that mission has been accomplished.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Okay, Well, you know I'm I have something to work towards.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Now, absolutely something to aspire.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
So all right, Well, it was so nice to meet
you and talk to you and get to know you.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
So nice to meet you. You know, you can send
all those single men my way, okay, as well as
long as they're not used to guys.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
All right, And anybody listening, if you know anybody, uh
that would be right.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Please message us at the show. We'll pass it along.
Awesome to meet you.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
And uh someday I want to go shopping with you.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Perfect and one of the women on who's listening to
the show, their father or husband's friend or somebody will
be interested in you.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
So let's see what happens.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Okay, Well, your lip to their ears.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
And right around the block is Valentine's day, so in
the name of love, let's see if we've got any ideas.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Folks, Thank you so much, thank you, Good day you too.
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