Best of the Week: 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Giants sign Russell Wilson, but how does that affect the Draft? Old P, Petros Papadakis  shares his love for the Intuit Dome and more! Plus, hard hitting reporting from Mike Rotch on Abdul Carter skipping his Pro Day.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
with Lamar airings and rating, win and Jonas Knox on five.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Four Radio, brand new member of the New York Giants
one rare ten point five million could be worth out
the twenty one million. Whoopee doo. Congratulations are you playing
that Musicause the veto's going take him out and getting pitched.

(00:32):
I've never been a bigger Tobby DeVito fan of my life.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Take him out in East Jersey, ain't gonna come back?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh man, So pod for the review. The projection that
the Giants were gonna take Schadora Sanders, you know, took
a little bit of a hit, a little bit of
a fender mender.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
How do this odds look By the way, as we
talked about on Monday, when you made this grand proclamation
out the Jameis Winston signing was that they're not gonna
take another veteran.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
What do those odds look like?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm not ready to discuss that right now, to be
honest with you, We've got a whole show to get
into that. You know, we can look at that to
another point, but it does feel like away we go
and the New York Giants are going to be looking
elsewhere with that number three pick.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
Yeah, I'll just wonder the closer we get to the draft,
will I mean this to me is one of the
first dominoes or whatever to say that there could be
an understanding.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
And again, I don't want to be that.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
I don't want to be that guy because I like
these guys, but I just got to do my job.
It could be the first sign of saying that these
quarterbacks aren't top five guys, they might not be top
ten guys. I know it sounds crazy, and I know
some of these teams need a quarterback, and I get that,

(01:57):
but again, do you use a number one pick, a
number two pick, a number three pick, do you use
it on a guy that you might you just might
not be all the way clear on if they are
a changer at that position. I just I can't. I

(02:19):
think that the more we see and the more we hear,
and the closer we get, I just don't. I can't
see how you justify it. And that's just you know,
That's just how I'm looking at it. So them taking
Russell Wilson, I don't know that that means they're not
going to take a quarterback in the draft.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
I just don't think they're going to take it with
their first pick.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
That's what I think the Giants select. Is it third?
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:47):
I think the hard thing about it is, if you're
looking at the Tennessee Titans, and we can get into
that here in a little bit, they seem very interested
in Camboard. They've gone through all of the check marks
or steps you go through if you're going to take
a quarterback at number one. So far, you know, we've
heard about obviously the visits and things they've they've had

(03:08):
with cam Ward at the combine. They've now followed it
up by being present at his pro day. They've set
up a private workout that is, those are all the
steps that you take if you're saying we would like
to draft this guy. We want to know more about
this guy. So they seem like they're going in that direction. Now,
maybe you know, it's just part of their due diligence

(03:31):
and they're trying to learn about the player that they
may not take when it's all said and done, or
if they trade out of that spot, for example, but
it seems like that's the direction they're going.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Then look at Cleveland Brown's.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Okay, what do the Cleveland Browns do Because they're sitting
there at number two, and if they don't take cam Ward,
they might be looking at Shore Sanders, they might be
looking at a quarterback. So you kind of find yourself,
like we usually talk about in regards to the draft,
looking at it not necessarily the fact that, hey, you know,
is Abdul Carter the best overall prospect? Travis hunmanbsto. Yeah,

(04:04):
those are probably two better overall prospects, but they don't
play quarterback. And if these you know, these places, these
teams don't figure out that position, it really doesn't matter.
So if the Giants are batting third in this case,
not only are they looking at it saying, well, we
can raid on Rogers, but it sounds like if he plays,
he wants to go to Pittsburgh if that even happens,

(04:25):
not us, and so they could wait around. But then
maybe Russ might say, well, the Browns are actually, you know,
calling too, and maybe they want to try to bring
me in, you know, to get them through this season
and to see where things go. So I think there's
a bunch of factors that led to this and the
Giants deciding that that kind of now was the moment
to strike with Russ. I think for Russ, this is

(04:46):
part of the best contract that he could get too
out of the teams that were, you know, looking for services.
You know, if it's incentivized to go up to twenty
one million, great, you know, but he's at least got
you know, about eleven million guaranteed in this deal, and
he could feel like, well, it's more than jamis, so
at least from a veterans standpoint, I know my role,
I know what I'm being paid to do. I'm being

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paid to be the guy. And it doesn't it doesn't
necessarily exclude the Giants from taking a quarterback if one's there,
if one drops them at that spot. But I think
now it opens them up to, you know, other positions.
Maybe they're looking at Will Campbell a tackle, you know,
maybe they're looking at Abdul Card even though I don't
think there's a need for it. They've got Burns, They've
got Kevon Thibodeau. They signed pauls on a debo at

(05:29):
cornerback to a pretty big deal. He's getting paid about
eighteen million a year this offseason. They've got Deontay Banks
they took in the first round a couple of years ago,
So I'm not really sure what they would see Travis Hunter.
Maybe he's in a rotation there and he plays wide
receiver as well to go along with the league neighbors.
But you know, as I look at it, you know,
it looks like they're setting themselves up to either take

(05:51):
one of those blue chip prospects or even trade back
dare I say, and be able to get to a
spot where they get multiple picks to kind of help
out this this roster, whether it's on offense or anywhere else.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Yeah, I think you do your due diligence for multiple
multiple reasons. And I mean some that would jump right
out at you is well, because you want the kid
and you want to make sure it's it's one of
the guys that if you're going to bring them in,
you do want.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
To check off all those boxes.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Two could be you want to drive the value up
of the prospect and drive the value up of your
pick at the same point in time. You know, if
they believe we want cam Ward and the team wants
cam Ward, then they're going to show you at some
point that they want cam Ward. Just like you do

(06:42):
or or you smoke out your competitors. Right, you put
something out there and you show it and you see
how people react to it. I don't know how people
are reacting to it behind the scenes, but if the
market says, well, you don't go take them like, good
for you, guys, Glad you got the number one pick. Listen,

(07:05):
it's a big pick for any position. It's a ginormous pick.
It's a larger than life pick for a quarterback. You
go number one as a QB and you can look
at it from both sides of the spectrum, from the
success side of it to the lack of success. I mean,

(07:26):
there's not been what there's I'm trying to think. I
don't have the list of number ones at quarterback, but
I don't know the success rate.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
But I do remember was JaMarcus? Was he number one overall? Yeah?
You have the JaMarcus is wasn't then? What was Carrie?
Was Kerry Collins?

Speaker 5 (07:45):
The number one overall?

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Wasn't that Tennessee too? That's Giants? Who was that? Anyway?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
So I think that is a it's a hard that
is a hard, hard place to be in a position
to be in.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
To be a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Kerry Collins was the Panthers.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
To the Pathers. But number one though, right, he went
number one. I don't recall, No, no, no, Keijona Dick
Kejona Carter went number one. He went number two anyway,
No no, no, no, no no no. Keijohna went number one.
Carrie went like a little bit after that. But anyway,
the point is the point is that I'm making it
is a tough position to place somebody who may not

(08:27):
grade out for that that spot. I don't I like
cam Ward's game. I like Shador Sanders game. I really do.
And I'm not saying this for any other reason other
than to say, I just don't think they grade out
as number one slot quarterbacks. They're grades to me, don't

(08:48):
give you. This is a bona fide number one guy.
So with that being said, you're going to try to
figure out find out the information you want to find
out pre draft, and you want to contrast, and you
want to compare because the guy that may grade out
to be a number two, number one pick for the draft,
there may be something there that the team doesn't like.

(09:09):
I don't know, could be an injury that pops up
you know, could be certain other factors that pop up.
I just don't see this. I just don't see this
as being a situation where where you have such high
graded dudes. I mean to say to me, the conversation
should be over the moment you say, Miles Garrett, this

(09:32):
is the highest we've graded a guy since Males Garrett. Okay,
what's what's what else is there to talk about? What
else is there to talk about? I don't know what
else there is there is to put into the ill bet.
Cam Woord goes number one? Okay, all right, I mean
it wouldn't be the first time I'm right. It wouldn't
be the first time I'm wrong. So I just and

(09:54):
certainly wouldn't be the first time you're right, or the
first time you're.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
We're actually on the subject because of Monday.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
I mean I think it's a it's a it's a
good bet. I just don't think it's a safe bet.
I don't think it's a safe one.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
I mean, minus sixteen hundred feels safe.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
But okay, take it, I take it.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Have we have we found the updated odds?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yes, we found the updated odds. You have to tight
screws on this, all right, so a guy can't get
something wrong for once.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
I'm curious, all right, cam Ward.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Sixteen to one to go number one overall or minus
sixteen hundred, so you bet, you know, sixteen dollars to
make a buck. If you want cam Ward to go
number one, then it gets interesting. Abdual Carter at number
two is a minus one thirty chador is a plus
one eighty five. And then at the number three, pick
Travis Hunter at a minus one fifty chador to plus

(10:51):
one seventy. So if you're.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Kimboard's not even a part of like the giants considerations,
is that what you're saying?

Speaker 3 (10:57):
No, no, no, no chance, Because they got him off
the board.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
There's a better chance to cam Neely going if cam
Ward doesn't go number one to if he doesn't go
number one to Tennessee and Cleveland, he'll go number two.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
So he will go number two. They will take him
in Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Yeah, it's actually the best option.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
I mean the hard part for Cleveland is you know
they're I think they're all trying to get cam Ward
and the problem is Cleveland needs them. You can make
the case Tennessee needs enough they're overwill Levis, And for Cleveland,
it's a necessity because of the kind of the salary
cap situation. You know, you need a cheaper contract to

(11:41):
take on. And that's probably why Russell Wilson ultimately took
the Giants offer. It's because of what they were able
to guarantee and the fact that they were probably able
to tell them, hey, we're not going to draft one
like you can sign here, here's our guarantee, here's the incentives.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
We're not going to draft the quarterback like. We need veterans.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
We need to win.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Now that that's the pressure that we feel like we're under,
and we don't feel like we're gonna be able to
get the best guy in the draft anyway. So if
we can't get that, let's go get a veteran or
a couple of veterans who we feel more comfortable and
confident about. And if we do take a young guy,
maybe it's a guy we take in the second, third, fourth,
fifth round that we feel like is a guy that
can develop more. And I don't know if that's a

(12:22):
Riley Leonard from Notre Dame. I'm not sure who they
would see in that capacity. But I think that would
be what the Giants are setting themselves up to do.
And I think for the Browns, they're hoping that Abdua
Carter goes number one.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
That's what they're hoping.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
But if you're the Tennessee Titans and you went through
what you did last year, you're looking at the quarterback
spot more than anything else. When you're at the number
one spot and you have the chance to take the
best guy in that draft.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
It's hard to pass up on that guy.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I mean, even as good as Abdul Carter is as
a prospect, or Travis Hunter is as a prospect, or
whoever else you want to put in.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
That category, it's just it's too hard to pass up
when you have control of that spot.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
If you were to look at the Giants off season,
now that it listen, you know, apparently they're not going
to be taking a quarterback. Doesn't mean it's a foregone conclusion,
but it does feel like at least this opens up
the opportunity to take somebody else it's not a quarterback
if and I still for the record, I don't think
should or Sanders gets past six to the Raiders. I
don't see it happening, either he goes two to Cleveland
or somebody trades up. I don't see the Raiders passing

(13:25):
on him at six. But if you were to now
look at the Giants offseason, I feel a whole lot
better about Brian dave Ball being able to make something
of this year and maybe stick around for another year.
With the addition of Russell Wilson and Travis Hunter as
opposed to just should or Sanders at three, like, at
least it opens up the opportunity for that team to

(13:48):
add a couple of pieces as opposed to just going
all in at one.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
You know what's funny, before I say what I was
about to say, just based off of what you're saying too,
just made me think, can you imagine that russ is
so an irrelevant in this scenario? Damn that it turned
to the draft.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
It's like, we welcome he and Russ.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Oh, by the way, so let's talk about cam Ward
to the Giants and or the Chador Sanders to the
Giants and this and that and how this could all
play out, and like, hey, russ Man, see what you
can do with it, Breth, see what can happen with it.
But let me ask you, guys this, cam Ward Schador Sanders,
if they come out in last year's draft, where do

(14:33):
they get drafted?

Speaker 5 (14:36):
I'll keep saying it.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
I don't know that you start talking about how they
stack up amongst last year's class until JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
I think that's the player that you look at it
and say, Okay, is it cam Or is it Jj?
Is it Shador Sanders.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
That's how much better that class was in my opinion
as prospects. And again, you you're talking about two Heischman
Trophy winners Jane Danie and then Caleb Williams before that,
and you're talking about years that Michael Pennix and Bo
Nicks both had their teams, you know, in much better
situations and really had put together two years. It's not
just like what they did their final year that the

(15:14):
two years Knicks was in Oregon the two years that
the Penix was in Washington, I mean, both those guys
like played phenomenal. And again, so that's where when I
look at the tape and I kind of look at
those draft classes in comparison, It's why again I'm looking
at this draft class saying there's separation in a lot

(15:34):
of people's minds, which there's not as much separation in
my mind between Shador and Camboard.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
There's not.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
And I would actually make the case that I think
I think Shador his game, the way he plays, fits
the NFL style more. And there's a lot of people
who've nitpicked at him. There's a lot of people who've
talked about arm strength there. You can't make up for accuracy, though,
you can't make up for toughness. Some of the things
he's done, you can coach out them. Get to get

(16:01):
the ball out of his hand, quicker. You know when
people talk about, well, hey, he throws a lot of
balls around the line of scrimmage, it's a lot of
you know, bubble screens like well, so does cam Wards.
So does every quarterback that's coming out in the draft
right now, every quarterback. Go if you were to look
at their throw chart and where they're throwing the football,
the days of guys throwing that mid portion of the
field somewhere between ten yards twenty yards downfield, it ain't happening.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
You're not saying. At the college level, you either see within.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Ten yards of the line of scrimmager behind it, or
you see something that throws outside, most likely downfield, and
the completion percentage for those isn't that great, So that's
kind of what you're getting. And so there's going to
be development for any quarterback that goes to the NFL
from today's college game. So going back to the initial

(16:47):
point though, is if cam Ward is, in the minds
of many others, because of his natural unroll ability, viewed
as the number one guy and then just kind of
a drop off from there in their minds.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
It leads me back to Russell Wilson is going to
be a solution.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
For the New York Giants in this case, and the
Kirk Cousins is still something that's really interesting to keep
an eye on. But as has been discussed i'm sure
by you guys yesterday and maybe we've touched on a
little bit on this on Monday, but that's more of
a trade scenario during the draft. It's something where he
doesn't want to have what happened last year happened again.

(17:22):
So any team that takes him, I think it's going
to be a team that either missed up on the
chance to take a quarterback or is going to be
able to find a way of trading something for him
to get his services this time around as one of
those bridge quarterbacks, like that's where he's at, and I
think teams would rather have Kirk Cousins probably than whatever

(17:42):
comes after cam Warden.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
In a lot of cases, as crazy as it is
for people to hear, there's.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
A level of play and consistency that he's had and
last year, yes it wasn't great, so why he got
benched for Pennix. But I also think he was playing injured.
So there's still so much that can happen between.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
Now and the draft.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I just I'm a believer in like kind of what
you're saying in regards to how this class is viewed.
And it's not surprising you've heard that. I can tell
you this much. Next year's draft class, there'll be teams
tanking for that guy if they can, because you know,
wonder who that guy is probably going to be, Arch
Manning after one year. So if you want me to
just go ahead and call the shot now, I'll say

(18:21):
it now. Arch Maanning will be the number one overall
pick in the twenty twenty six draft. Oh okay, after
one year starting at Texas.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
I buy that just because of who he is I
buy that, But the kid can really play. I mean,
you see him on film. He jumped off film. I asked, you, guys,
was it going to make sense to take him out?
I remember being in state college in the room asking
does it make sense to take him out? After he
was playing the way that he was playing? So, you know,

(18:55):
I just don't get that feeling about these two that
are coming out right now. That's that's And listen, I've
talked to a couple of different people that I still
have ties with, and they were talking to me about
my son, and I brought this up because I just
wanted to know, you know, for for general purposes, you know,
where is abduel?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know, and all of this, you know, how does
that work?

Speaker 6 (19:17):
And this that and the other and this quarterback just
hasn't seemed to be a deterrent, That's what I'll say.
It just hasn't seemed to be a deterrent in terms
of how these these franchises. The few that at least
people that I spoke to that that had been you know,
in contact with me as of late, it's it just

(19:38):
doesn't sound like it's a deterrent.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
You know.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
What happened though to your contacts about the New York
Giants situation, though, what happened on those contexts, what happened
the context of it, what happened cont What about my.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Con I were trying to tell you how this sole
thing was going to play out?

Speaker 6 (19:55):
Okay, I mean we didn't talk about Russell Wilson, That's
that's for certain. We did talk about You asked me
about my contacts and what we were discussing. Russell Wilson
wasn't one of those, you know, and and again I didn't.
I wasn't reaching out for information. It's just kind of
you know, conversation. One of one of my teammates. Uh

(20:17):
actually passed away, and yeah he passed away, though not
that way, he said too slow after Okay, yeah he
passed away. But but yeah, but uh, in terms of
just that talking, I mean, yeah, we didn't even Russell
Wilson didn't even come up, you know, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
So you know, I don't know, you gotta you gotta
wonder why. Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
But the guy that I one of the guys I
did talk to, is a pretty prominent dude, and you know,
he's probably.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Talked to a lot of people want.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
What number is Abdul gonna wear in Cleveland or New York?
Because you need to tell me they're gonna unretire Mohammed
Massaquia's number.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
And give it to abduall Carter. If the number is
required to retire, not happening.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
If the number is retired, then there's a strong possibility
he's going to have to choose a different number. I
mean it's like, oh, he wore fifty six, he's going
to the Giants. What number is he going to wear
in New York? Like, he's not wearing fifty six? So yeah,
so weable to be sticks.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
What's that?

Speaker 5 (21:24):
What number were you gonna wear?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Then?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Ar was?

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Who me?

Speaker 5 (21:29):
You in New York?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I don't. I wore fifty five.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
I went to New York five one last Yeah, okay,
mister Nichols was my It was the that's right now, Yes,
you know.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
But here's what's crazy.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
Do you dog that I only wore fifty six or
I only wore fifty six because five plus six equals
eleven eleven. Yeah, that's the only reason why I wore
fifty six. I didn't wear fifty six because I was
trying to be like Lawrence twn.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Why don't you wear like forty seven then.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
Ugly ninety ninety two? It wasn't allowed to wear thirty
eight all that back then, you couldn't. Thirty eight was
the first number I ever wore playing ball. But yeah,
I would have worn thirty eight. But you can't wear
thirty eight, couldn't wear you know any other number that
that equalled? You could have worn sixty nine, right, uh

(22:19):
uh uh huh not unless I tried to be a
defensive end and was like a lineman. And I still
think that that's a that would have been a long shot.
Like I don't even know how you but.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
You wanted it.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
I mean sixty nine nine? Yeah, I mean, I'm not
opposed to a sixty nine. I just wouldn't have warned
the number.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
I'm really gonna do that.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
I fall with that one, Jonas, what do you mean?
I thought?

Speaker 3 (22:46):
With that one?

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Gets?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2 (23:02):
It is a Wednesday tradition on X He's at the
Old p He is Petros Papadakis, the co host of
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the Blowtorch AM five to seventy LA, Sports Fox, College
football analyst and our good buddy Pee. What's happening?

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Good morning? Hello? Hello everybody?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Hello, good morning Pee?

Speaker 5 (23:23):
How you doing sir? Hello?

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Hello? Peter?

Speaker 5 (23:26):
What Hello?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Pepete?

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Hello? Brady?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Hello Brady?

Speaker 5 (23:33):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Petros? Do you know anything about Mookie Betts's illness that
caused him to drop twenty something pounds?

Speaker 7 (23:42):
And no, But it's really upsetting, right, I mean, the
guy's been six since before they left for Japan. He
said he was afraid to eat food. He said his
body was eating itself. Dang, Yeah, that's uh, that's that.
He wasn't a big guy to begin with, you know
what I mean. Like being down on the field all
the time with the Dodgers is interesting because you get

(24:05):
to realize why there's so many idiot baseball dads out there,
because it's really one of the only sports, I mean,
most sports, football, basketball, the sports that we talk about
when you get to be twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen and
you're like an elite player. You got to pass the
eyeball test, like you got to walk in the door

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and look like Brady Quinn or LaVar Arrington. I mean,
there's not a lot of football players that just look
like normal guys, you know. And same with basketball. I
mean a lot of basketball players only look normal on
a basketball court. Any other place, they look like a freak,
like a circus act. But baseball, you could look like

(24:50):
a normal kind of guy and to have a slight
build like Mookie Betts or Trey Turner or guys like
that and be the best in the world.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
So there wasn't a lot of weight for the guy
to lose anyway, And being down.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
There with those guys, you kind of realized, like, not
all these guys are like that physically impressive. Now, they
added Freddie Freeman a couple of years back, and I
was like, damn, now this guy's really big. And then
they brought in Otani, and Otani's a freaking giant. But
Mookie Bets is not a big guy, and there wasn't
a lot of weight to lose, and apparently it was

(25:29):
just a really bad scene. Now he's back. I think
he played yesterday in the exhibition, so he'll be back
on Thursday. But he lost a bunch of weight and
he got really sick. It had nothing to do with
Japan or gas station, sushi in Japan or whatever people
were alleging, because he got sick before before they went.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I think it was David Vasse asked him, you know,
because Mookie had mentioned, you know, we know what it
was and what to avoid, and so the follow up
obviously was so what was it? And he said, we're
just going to keep that in house. So just the
whole thing's weird, Like I don't you can't really nobody
can figure out what the hell is going on.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
Do you think it's like a tapeworm? I don't know,
or a hook a hookworm?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Does that take twenty five pounds off you?

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Well, it's like we've heard twenty five pounds. We've heard
twenty pounds.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
It's eighteen pounds, okay, So and who knows, it could
be coming back on him right now as we speak.
His opening day is tomorrow and we'll all be out
at Dodger Stadium. So yeah, I'm sorry that Mookie Bets
got sick, but I expect that he's going to be.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Okay, fair, Speaking of opening day, what's the festivity's going
to be? Like, I mean, it's going to be.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
A big one.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Pee You're gonna be out.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
What are we go going on?

Speaker 7 (26:50):
Well, there's a guy, there's bartender Brad at Dodger Stadium,
like one of these bougie bartenders in like the elite
area you can go and drink.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
And you know, like the club house or whatever they
call it. Like there's always something.

Speaker 7 (27:06):
Dodger Stadium or baseball in general, or any nice stadium
has become a lot like like Vegas, where no matter
what you have, no matter how much money you have
spent to be a VIP, there's something better.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Like you might have this risk band, but there's another riskband.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
That's even more special, where you are in like a
jacuzzi being filated by a dolphin.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's like.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 7 (27:39):
It's like and baseball is kind of like that. So
there's this one, Uh, there's this one bar at Dodger
Stadium that's really nice, and this bartender comes and makes
us meet a lottas from that bar and delivers them
at Dodger Stadium to wherever we Matt and I are,
but on open we're down on the field, so we

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can't drink down in front of everybody like with a
big gross red michalata while you're interviewing you know, Stan
Castan or Andrew Friedmann or Max Muncie or bowing at Otawi.
So it is a little more complicated than when we
usually are there. But we usually get one big mich
alata and they bring tim kaits a spicy margarita and

(28:26):
we usually got spicy marg so we go from there,
and that's usually the case, but on opening day we'll
be down on the field, so the festivities are a
little less. I think you guys would be not shocked
to realize, Like, I don't know how long Am five seventy,

(28:46):
the blowtorch here in La has had the Dodger contract.
It's been lucrative, of course for them, but I think
it's been about twelve years. And I mean they used
to send us out there, three James in a row
during homestands, and we used to spend a lot of time.
And now that the Dodgers are so popular, they don't

(29:09):
need us as much as they used to.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Well, the Lakers need you.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I mean they seem to have been doing pretty well
and well Bronnie James since we've talked, lass has proven
all of the critics wrong and has put everybody in
their place and has made everybody's you know, the believer
of the Bronnie James legend that is starting to now
take shape.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
What's your take on that?

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Now?

Speaker 6 (29:35):
Are people more interested in going to Lakers games and
watching the wows?

Speaker 5 (29:40):
Now?

Speaker 7 (29:40):
The Lakers or any NBA franchise has priced everybody out
a long long time ago, So real Laker fans or
whatever kind of I mean, that's just not the NBA anymore.
As far as going to the games, it's it's way
too expensive. As far as the broad James has proven

(30:01):
everybody this or that, I'm not really there, but I'm
glad that they had a wonderful article written about him
in the Athletic and then he got out there in
a blowout game, and then you know, the G League
we get to follow what's going on there.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
I'm sure those games are very popular.

Speaker 7 (30:20):
But no, the Bronny James thing, it went away for
a while because the Lakers were playing so well, and
then they started to lose again and lebron got hurt
or took his march off or whatever. Just the media
orchestration around anything regarding Lebron James, what happens before, during,
and after the way all their media people get mobilized.

(30:43):
It's I just I don't even like to talk about
it anymore. But speaking about basketball, I did go for
the very first time in my life to the Into
It Dome the Clippers.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Yeah, Friday night, I.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Think I heard. It's amazing.

Speaker 7 (31:00):
I had to go for Toyota to do a like
a They don't call it like a sales event anymore.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
To do you know what they call if you go
to like an event where.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
They have like activation, Yes, that's right, you go.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Tell me this much, Petros. Why do they change the
names for things that have always existed, Like back in
the day, if you did a deal with a corporate sponsor,
it's just it's just a marketing deal. Right now we
call it it's nil. It's your name, image and likeness.
Like what why do we need to coin a phrase
for something that's always existed.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
I mean, Don Martin changed a big our old boss,
you know.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
I mean when you used to have sales people or
whatever they would call them, you know, clients, right, like
Toyota is a client, but you know what they.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Are now partners, We're partner. Yeah. They always change the
names for things to make things seem cooler, right.

Speaker 7 (31:57):
Or more complex or more more I don't know, innovative
than they really are. But it was speaking of innovative.
And you guys know this. I mean I hate everything.
I mean, I really don't. I don't like anything like I'm.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
The word hater was literally created for me and I am.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
When they opened Staples Center. I was there when it
opened and we were all part of the media and
the whole deal, and it to me, it just seemed
like a big, stupid looking Marriott. I wasn't impressed when
they opened Staples and everybody thought it was the media
center of the world and it was these have events

(32:44):
every single night. But the Into It Dome is everything
they said. Now, parking for seventy dollars is too much.
I don't care where you're supposed to be parking or
what's happening. Seventy dollars is too much to pay to park.
But it had to be the best, the best venue
I've ever been at for anything.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Ever.

Speaker 7 (33:08):
It's a spaceship It's like when you remember how geeked
up you were to be on Space Mountain as a kid.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Oh yeah, this is how the Into It Dome feels.
Every single chair is like a movie theater chair with
a controller.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
That's in like a holster, and you can order your food.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Yeah, all that stuff, but then just the weird in
game stuff like that controller you realize serves as a
light that changes red, white and blue and is part
of like a light show in the whole stadium anytime
anything happens these weird like it looks like a drone
show and you realize like your seat is doing that too.

(33:51):
And of course just the grade of the building. You know,
it doesn't feel like Staples or the Rose Bowl where
you're super far away from everything. And I know the
Clippers aren't popular, and god they don't have a fifty
fifth pick that has been forced into the league that
we have to monitor in the G League and during
garbage time. But at the same time, I have never

(34:13):
seen anything like this stadium and just getting in, getting
out all the food and all the different stuff.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
It really is the future and I was I was
wildly impressed with how they built it and what it
is now.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
I know it's the Clippers, and I know they ruined
Englewood and there's terrible traffic and all this different stuff,
But man, was I was really impressed with that stadium.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
What's a little more bad traffic in LA you know,
just heap it on top of the rest of it.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Petros, I want to get back to the hating portion
of things, Yeah, okay, sure, only because one of the
things that's come up of the course of March Madness
is some of the coaches who are in the sweet
sixteen yet the portal's open in men's basketball, and it's
like they're having to discuss while they're still trying to
make a national championship run, how they're going to manage

(35:12):
their roster in that time. It is college sports at
like an old time, just crazy point in time as
to how this whole thing is working, and that includes
a football and everything else. In your mind, well that
the double portal is a real problem for everybody in
football because you don't really know. It's caused a lot

(35:33):
of people to not want to have spring games or
close down their spring practice because they don't want some
player that they didn't expect that came up and did
well to get poached, and they already try to deal
with that rumors wise, And the problem is some schools
are on the quarter system, some schools are on semester systems.

(35:55):
It's really hard to sync up Stanford and Michigan State. Know,
it always has been in the world of college football.
That being said, yeah, this is an issue to one
of the other things that bothers me. I mean, these
coaches are having to deal with the portal and all
that stuff no matter what. And in college basketball, timing

(36:17):
wise and football, if you have a lot of success
and your season isn't over, you have to deal with
all kinds of logistics that you probably shouldn't while you're
still coaching and competing because.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
Of just how long the calendar takes if you have success.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
One of the things that I found interesting is that everybody,
you know, Colorado State lost on a last second shot.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
If they didn't, they'd be the only mid major in there, right, correct?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (36:50):
Because no one wants to call Arkansas with Callip Perry
as the coach, to be the to be a Cinderella.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
I mean, you can't.

Speaker 7 (37:00):
You can't say that even though they're a ten seed,
So there's no more George Mason or VCU or anybody
like that. And you have these sports writers lamenting that,
oh god, Nil ruined college basketball. It's like these are
the same sports writers that we're all screaming for Nil,

(37:22):
and now they're oh, this sucks. It's like, well, guys,
I mean, who do you think has the money to
pay the players? The major conferences and the bigger schools
in particular the SEC, and they have what seven teams
or something in the sweet sixteen. So it's funny because
we talk about all this progress that we need to

(37:44):
make in college sports, and we lawed the Abandoned Brothers
and the lawsuit that got everybody paid, and I think
it's great too. I'm not saying one thing or another.
And then the results of that happen the transfer portal
and all these different things, and everybody stands up and
scream and yells and wants to complain about it. I mean,
we created this complex situation by putting revenue sports inside

(38:08):
our institutions of higher education, and then we sit here
and whine about all the incongruities in the billion dollar
industry that we built. So it's kind of interesting. It's
interesting to watch it all play out, But the same
people that screen for players to be paid are the
same people lamenting the fact that we don't have any

(38:28):
mid majors or teams like that in the tournament. It's like,
which way do you want it? You can only have
the red sauce or the green sauce. You can't have
them both at the same time.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
You a holes, But.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
It's kind of the nature of the sport.

Speaker 7 (38:41):
And then the real travesty of the whole thing is
the people making the billions of dollars on these TV
deals are still not allowed to pay the players legally.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
That's not who's paying them.

Speaker 7 (38:53):
It's still the alums that want to be cool to
hang out with athletes, and it's not really nil, let's
pay to play. And so we have so many issues.
I almost want to talk about Brody instead, But no,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
I mean, I really thought I was transitioning from something
you didn't want to talk about to something you wanted
to talk about.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
No, I mean, but I talked about it, right, Brady.
I mean that's you know, I mean it is.

Speaker 7 (39:20):
It is very interesting because we are in a brave
new world of college sports and The one thing that
really doesn't sync up for the major revenue sports, football
and hoops is the portals, and it just it really
doesn't work for anybody, and it's dramatically altered the calendar
of the sport and it's a lot harder for these

(39:42):
guys to do their job.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
You know, Maryland, but go you want to go?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (39:48):
I thought this was pretty appropriate. You know Maryland basketball.
You know they had that game winning shot that you
know got them to the next round. They play tomorrow
against number number one Florida and that's a big game
for them. But more importantly, uh, this is a big
one for.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Me asking you this, Petros. Do you know Go Go music?
And have you ever heard of the group Mambo Sauce?

Speaker 7 (40:13):
I do not know Mambo Sauce, but I know about
Go Go, I know about the Huckabucks, I know Chuck Brown,
I know the back.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
Essence, I know about Sugar Beer.

Speaker 7 (40:25):
Yes, Go Go music, for those of you that don't know,
is a special sect of urban music, or I guess
you'd say black music.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Q and Jonas were out on it, but no clue, Well, no,
we were out on Mambo Sauce.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Such did you know go Go I've heard of Go Go.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
I know about Mambo Sauce, which is the song that
was played Go Go is can we played the song
for Petros?

Speaker 3 (40:51):
She could play it for him, she could play she
pull it up?

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Well, what's it called?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (40:56):
Maryland football comes out to a go Go song? Yeah,
they come out to pure essence and that's uh, you know,
Coach Locksley is from the go Go music is very
it's cool and and this is also something that I
really like is if some music is very Germane to

(41:18):
the area, right, like, you know, if you're from Chino Hills,
you're probably going to be against a rap. I must
say what I.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
Want to know.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And in Bakersfield you listen to Korn.

Speaker 7 (41:32):
Well, Bakersfield has actually the Bakersfield country style, which which
totally changed country music maybe like thirty years ago.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Jonas is a rare essence or pure essence.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Rare Well, I think there's another one too, but rare
essence is Yeah, that's the one.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I'm more of a trouble funk guy myself, but.

Speaker 7 (41:52):
Well, but but go Go music is very much identified
with the d m V. Not the not the motor vehicles,
but the capital Virginia that whole area and I like that.
I mean, we we don't have enough of that. And
in the country, Uh, the Bay Area it's like that

(42:14):
too with hif Yeah, the Hyphie music in the Bay
Area and mac dre and Andre Nicotina.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
Yes, there there you go, Brady. And then I guess
you would.

Speaker 7 (42:25):
Say down south in Houston, Texas, they had they had
shopped and screw.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
Screw music, drunk wish your house, yes, Michael, five thousand watts.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (42:46):
So I do like rap music that is very unique
to the area. That's not really what go Go is,
but it is urban music. I do not know the
band that LeVar is talking about.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Plate it in Mambo Sauce.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
You can't get it is welcome to d C.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Well, we don't have bad music in the system.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Oh wow, that's so crazy.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
But the guy that started go Go music is a
guy named Chuck Brown.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Chuck Brown.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
Yeah, so that's the that's the uh, the guy that
was the innovator and you could purchase that.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
They call him. They call him the Godfather of Go Go.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
Correct, the guyfather of Go Go and his son played
for Virginia Tech at one point in time.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Update by the way on Pure Essence. Pure Essence was
an R and B band from Cincinnati, Ohio, and yeah,
they they had a couple of different labels, but they
haven't really done anything since nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
They do something every Saturday when Maryland takes a feel full.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Well, that's this is not rare.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, petros is Andre white Boy Johnson your favorite member
of Rarest.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
There you go, what does he play the triangle?

Speaker 3 (44:05):
There you go? There you go, pet, that's Mambo Sauce
right there.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
This is rap rock.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I'm sorry, is that main Skin?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
What is this?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
That's mambo Sauce?

Speaker 5 (44:22):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (44:22):
Buck Owens is the guy that started the Bakersfield sound
in uh in Bakersfield, the country music and they had
a big theater there called the Crystal Palace.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
I don't know if it's still open.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
M You didn't like the song, no, well not really.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (44:42):
It sounded like that Italian band where one of the
guitarists doesn't wear a shirt and it's a chick.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Main skin.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
So all I could say, if you know, you know,
you know, well, I mean it's.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Mambo Sauce.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah, that's the name of the group, you know.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
Yeah, maybe it would grow in Petrows. Keep listening to it. Yeah,
well you know that that that Jellow Ball did.

Speaker 6 (45:04):
Yeah yeah, Black Boo Joy, j C. Jermaine, Little pet Twink,
What up Twin Little Chris?

Speaker 2 (45:15):
It's like three eleven.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah, it's bad. I joint go right there. No, that's
really bad. Go to mambosize band dot com. You can
book them. I gave my shows show some love to
my cut, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Uh Petros, I could get Essence on a double bill.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
Dang Jonas, you were going to laugh no matter what
he says. It's a bad song man, haters, hateful people
get used to it because it's going to be playing
every second hour forever.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
I'm never changing it.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
You'll get tired of it and change you never to
change it.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
The best all black rock band of all time is
Living Color. Hell Yeah, with Vernon Reed.

Speaker 7 (46:03):
That was a band and the lead singer used to
wear that sweet spring wetsuit.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Looking what do you see?

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah, mar you don't know nothing about that.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
Yeah, you need Living Color in your life.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
You never heard of them?

Speaker 7 (46:19):
Oh that's a band now, and the guitarist is one
of the great guitarists of the twentieth century. And the
dude used to wear a rip curl body gloves spring
suit out there.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
What the hell is that like a wetsuit? Oh but
that was his gear. But that's how they used to
do it, right. Earth Wind and Fire used to wear
the weird ass outfits. You know this was a little
later than that, but yeah, it was a little later.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Okay, Yeah, No, All Stars they used to you know,
Brady's Brady's Hood. They used to wear them tight ass outfits.

Speaker 7 (46:52):
Corey Glover is the is the lead singer a Living
Color and he was also an actor.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
He was in Platoon.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Oh nice? Is he really?

Speaker 5 (47:00):
Uh huh? I didn't know that looked in my.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Good song.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
I know that song. Yeah, I know that song. I
didn't know that was a black band. That's a black band,
all black, Yes.

Speaker 7 (47:19):
And the best black indie rock band LeVar is TV
on the radio, except they have one white guy.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
I'll put you up on some game just now. I
did not know this was a black Now I'm a fan.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Off top Bar.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
It kind of got that kind of uh, you know,
Lenny Kravitz type of feel to it.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
Sounds to this is a real band. That's dope. Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Petros Enjoy opening Day. We appreciate it. We'll do it
again next week forever there is Yes, that's Petro Bob
is joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, there was some concern because Abdull Carter, the star
pass rusher for Penn State, is not working out at
his pro day. And you know, we were pointing out
that three different general managers reached out to backer blitz
dot com.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
They reached out to backer Blitz.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Well, I mean he spoke with them, you know, Michael
ros did, and then you know, so that that kind
of led to the discussion that we were having earlier
in the show, Go thank You. There's a report out
from a guy, Michael Roch from backer blitz dot com
who says that three gms in the top ten have said, quote,

(48:50):
it shows a lack of competitiveness and they've removed him
from their draft board and it makes them wonder what
was going on in State College that would lead him
or what the conversations are with Drew Rosenhaus that would
lead him to believe that this was a good movie.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
I understand the report from Michael Roch. The tough thing
is is and this is maybe why the Michael Rotch.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Report comes out and says this with the three general managers,
because you would think that he would come out and
say something, you know, but again, Michael Roch has been
all over this. I mean, I'm not sure if you
fall this stuff, but he's been deep into it.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I guess he reached out too, because a lot of
people wonder what does this do for the other prospects
like Edge Rusher's in the draft, and I guess, you know,
he reached out Shamar Stewart's representatives and they just said,
you know, it just goes to show you some people
like football more than others.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Whatever, And I know we're up against him, but I'm
just wondering, who are the three gms who spoke with
Mike Rotchet at a backer blitz dot com that would
have like, like, why would they?

Speaker 6 (49:54):
I don't think that that calls his level of competitiveness
into question. I think that that is a pool or
that's a poor conclusion to come to. So what are
your thoughts on Mike Rotch. I don't have a problem
with what he's saying. He's doing his job. I mean,
he's doing his job. I think if if that's the
conclusion that, let me ask you guys this, like, so

(50:17):
you don't.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Have an issue with Mike.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
I don't have an issue with anybody. I can have
an opinion without having an issue. Okay, let me I
said this one. I mean, I don't comprehend. What the hell, y'all, LeVar,
do you have an issue with Mike Rotch?

Speaker 6 (50:31):
No?

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Why would I have an issue with them? I don't
have an issue?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
What? What?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
What? What's my issue?

Speaker 5 (50:38):
You really don't have an issue with you know what?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
I'm a beat your.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Radio and you were in on that, and you were
in on that Brady.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
All right, all right, all rights report, all right.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
I see what you got.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Packer. When I heard it, I was like, what the f?

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (51:05):
All right? I actually forgot the name that I said.
I think when I said the second time we talked
about it, no, there's don't.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
First off, as soon as you send Michael Rod, I
was like, oh wow, he went there, all right?

Speaker 3 (51:19):
And I took it.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I thought you, I thought, jerk you are the big
I'm going home. I'm going I'm leaving and I'm going home.
That might be the biggest jerk move on radio that
I've ever been.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
A part of.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
It's just some of these reports are so ridiculous. That
is ft up that you would do that, And then
the only way I got it was when you pointed
at your crutch.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
That's ridiculous, bro, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Doesn't this shiny light the amount of garbage it's out
during this time of year, Like, doesn't this shin a light?

Speaker 5 (51:53):
You can literally make it up.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
It literally was a great word. I will never literally
take you too seriously ever again.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Why would you ever?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Why would she? Will never take y'all seriously ever again? Ever?
That might be the most juvenile thing that has ever
been done.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Like it's so dumb.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Are you fricking kidding me?

Speaker 5 (52:16):
I know, berdo. Somewhere out there is listening and really enjoying.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Like dying.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Somebody's dying laughing right, literally dying because they're laughing so hard.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
If it wasn't me, if we did that to somebody else,
I would be cracking up. But because it's at my expense,
I'm like trying to dial in and listen to every detail,
because this is like somebody that's that, and I'm like, like,
why is you egging it on?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Like, what do you mean I have an issue?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
He looked it up on crock different platforms.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
I don't know these.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
There was some legitimate research done on the actual timeline
of the reason all that, but because I had to
have something to say in Phil I mean, at that point.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
This is people out there listening. You see what I
deal with, y'all.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
See what I deal with that, y'all see what I
deal with all right now, y'all see what I'm dealing with.
By the way, who the hell would take him off
my draft rock?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Unbelievable?

Speaker 5 (53:25):
He didn't work out.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Who cares if he works out at the pro day?
Who cares?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Real quick?

Speaker 4 (53:31):
A round of applause for Lee Mark behind the scenes
making that happen too. We had to turn around a
little bit of sound there, so round of applause for
you guys to be able to get that done in
the short of my tongue, and especially with var being
being there and somehow sneaking it around.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
And not make it noticeable. I don't move.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
I don't move from my seat. So it's so eat
and and Jonas knows that I thought.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
We was better than that.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Jonas, you know what you violated me.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I was trying.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I got it.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
I got to go to the restroom. I try not
to laugh the whole time. Like this is so ridiculous,
Like it's it's preposterous. Of course i'd have an issue
with your crotch, bro it's it's not a place I.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Want to be.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
That's why I asked you about mine.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
Yeah, I don't want to crowch either, end up pregnant,
like I don't want I don't. I don't want to
deal with your crouch either.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
All Right, this is ridiculous now that we've exposed the
the twelve year old uh lie that we just told,
the juvenile lie.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
That is so basic. I mean, it's really good.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Is this a great execution? Is a great excuse? Is
it really that big of a deal that he's not
working out of just pro day Andrew Rose says he's
going to work out.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
For teams for him.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
In my opinion, though, like again, if he and especially
considering the injuries, the shoulder one can would be a
tricky one. It's one that look, you know, people can
disagree with his agent's advice to him, although at the
end of the day, he selected his agent to give
him what is probably the best advice, And I guess
I just I'd say this, if you're going to air

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on the side of anything with a guy who's viewed
as the number one overall prospect and draft, why would
you want to stress a stress fracture more before it's healed.
If his foots an issue, why would you want to
put his shoulder in any bit of harm's way at
this point, Like, you've seen what he can do in
the football field. You can interview him, you can test
him whatever you want, like that's what's going to be

(55:28):
most important, and that he's ready week one for whatever
team takes them. So I understand that I'm making an
exception for this particular prospect, but that's because he is
an exception, you know. If this is Travis Hunter at
Dual Carter, Yeah, you make exceptions because they're that talented
of players. We heard Albert Breer talk about it yesterday.

(55:50):
I'll echo that sentiment from watching Travis Hunter, from watching
a Dual Carter, that's how I feel about them, Like, yeah,
they don't have to do anything.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
You wrap them up in bubble wrap.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
You get them the draft, let a team take them,
and then make sure they can just be ready to
play week one. That's the most important thing. And if
you're dealing with nagging injuries, man, this is a long
rookie season. A lot of people don't understand. These young
men get done at least especially in the case of
Abdul Carter playing for the semi finals. All right into
what is that January, they turn around and have to

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basically start getting ready, preparing themselves for the combine, for
a pro day, for private workouts.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
It doesn't stop.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
They get drafted, they go right with the team, they
start working out, they go through OTA's, they go through
mini camp, they.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
Have a bit of a break in the summertime back
in the training camp. Like, it does not stop. This
is the longest season of their life.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
And for him in particular, you don't want to focus
on all the stuff that doesn't matter that that's not
the most meaningful part. And that's week one during the season.
So again there's exceptions to the rule. This is that
case for Abdul Carter.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
In my opinion, I wonder if any more reports will
come out of the pro day today of participants and
non participants from Michael or someone on a serious note.
On a more serious note, I just wonder will there
be Now I don't even like I've seen it. I've
seen the headline pop up that he's not working out

(57:17):
on television. Because I'm not going to base it off
of listening to y'all. I did see that the headline
popped up that Abdul would not be working out. I'm
just curious will there be as much attention placed on
if other people don't participate?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
That's what I would be curious to see.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
And what is that?

Speaker 6 (57:37):
What's the narrative that comes comes from it? Because now
I'm kind of second guessing even saying that it was
the agent that may have done it. You know, I
don't know what the reasoning reasoning is or what the
plan of it is, but it would appear that, you know,
the two that the people are all going to be

(57:59):
there to see first and second aren't participating.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
So that should be interesting. Abdul and I don't know, man,
you know, I will see what happens. Like, let's let's
see what the reports say. So when they talk about
less you want to break it. You want to break
that now, I don't know. I don't do breaking news. Yeah,
I don't want to do that. You can if you want,
I really could, but I don't. Why not I just
said it without saying it. Yeah, but you want to

(58:26):
make it.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
I don't violating. I don't like violating. You know how
I get information?

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, but you're not airing, you're not giving the sources
name out.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
You're just yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:37):
But you know, I'm just real particular about stuff like that.
Every once in a while. I just gave y'all what
I gave y'all.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
What if do with it? What you will?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
What if there was the breaking news sounder attached to it?
Our go ahead, Tonal, go ahead? Do you have the
breaking news sounder and you have the sounder.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
Back breaking news from Fox Sports?

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Well, apparently Tyler or Warren will not be participating in
the pro day at Penn State today as well, So.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
There you have it breaking her which news.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Again, if you're looking at an overall prospect, he's right
up there with the other two names we mentioned. The
difference being it's just a position that I think in
most cases you're saying, all right, like how high do
we value that now I would I would say he's
a without a doubt, a first round pick because the
team's going to find a way of utilizing him a

(59:28):
variety of ways, but again not surprising, like I think
there's gonna be a team that targets him, that has
a need for a mismatch like that in pass coverage,
and a guy that can do a bunch of different
things for you. It just depends on, like when you
start building your roster, how much you prioritize that over
that edge, over that lockdown corner, over that you know,

(59:49):
cornerstone or blindside left tackle or tackle in general nowadays,
And obviously before all that is a quarterback, So like
those four possession positions come before that, and I would
throw wide receiver in there. The problem is this year's
not viewed as quite as good of a class at
wide receiver, at least at the top end.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
So that's where you start looking at.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Saying, well, if we can find a guy like Tyler
Warren who can come in give us a mismatch and
be that Rob Gronkowski for us, Travis Kelcey for us,
whoever you want to point to, that would be where
we want to spend that pick. So it's you can
understand why it's not doing that. It could even be
injury lidden for all I know, not that that's being
reported here again by Michael Ross or anyone else for

(01:00:31):
that matter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
There's some people who think that Tyler Warren could go
as high as seven to the Jets. I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, I would go on the limb and say
he is the most versatile football player in this year's draft,
and that includes Travis Hunter. There you go, I'll say it.

(01:00:56):
I believe he is the most versatile football player in
terms of what you can do with him in this
entire draft. Is he a better prospect than Rock Bauers.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Yes, yes, yes, in my estimation, yes he is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
I'll put it this way. He's he's a better he's
a better blocker than Bauers was coming out that. I'd
probably still make that case that he's going to be
in his rookie year.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
I don't know that he was.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
As It's tough because I think as far as their
dynamic ability catch in the football, it's it's a wash.
They're pretty even, pretty even, And I think, again, I
don't know that this was a well maybe it was
just any Kotoinicki in their offense. But to Levar's point,
he was used more like he plays off the ball more,
he does more things running the football more.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
That wasn't really Bauer's role. So again, the one thing
that always concerns.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Me when you have a guy like this who's special
and could be a mismatch, is if he goes to
a play that doesn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
How to use him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
I mean, that is always going to be the life
long concern for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
All of us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Right but but but but even then, even more so
for a guy who's like special like that is you
get sometimes these play callers who they have a system
and they're like trying to figure out how to fit
him within their system instead of building plays that Plato
his strengths out around him. So think about think about

(01:02:28):
Andy Kotinikki this year. He put him back there at
the wildcat quarterback. He put them He put him out
there as a wide receiver. He had your traditional tight end,
he could plays like a full back. He put him
in a variety of positions. He's very good play caller
everywhere possible exactly. And that's and that's that's what I'm
saying is you'll get some guys in the NFL who
they won more of. I don't want to say cookie cutter,

(01:02:49):
but they have the framework of an offense cookie cutter,
and they don't get outside of that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
And that's that's my concern.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Is you got a guy who's in that world and
he doesn't know how to weave a guy in who's
got this special talent ability to do a bunch of
different things.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
There have clearly been pro teams that have separated and
created a gap in the distance. And how they use
their tight ends, like you know those organizations, some of
them just pop right out, you know, right up at you.
You know, you look at Baltimore, they use their tight
end a ton. The Steelers they use their tight ends

(01:03:24):
a ton. The the Eagles, they they use their tight.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Ends a ton.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I mean that those are like the first ones that
kind of jump off, you know, the screen at me.
I mean, then you think about the Niners, you obviously
you think about Kansas City, like there are teams that
you and and to be honest with you, when I
look at how Tyler Warren is as a player, I
think he's the next iteration of of a Kelsey of

(01:03:55):
of the the why am I blanking on his name?
And uh in san fran Kittle kittle Ago, he's an
ext iteration because he's he's, he's big. He he is
a blocker, and I mean a real blocker, not just
a blocker. He's he really can block really well. But

(01:04:15):
his his ability to run routes, his ability to find
the open spaces and in defenses, his catch radius, all
those things. He's pretty phenomenal. He was fun to watch
in person at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Dude, he's a pretty phenomenal dude.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
That's That's what I'll say. And I'm not I'm not
jockeinging because he's a penn stater. I mean, I I
like him because he's a pen stater. But Tyler Warren
is the real deal. Like I would say it, like, hey,
maybe he's okay, but I think you know what's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Interesting about this though, is he didn't run the fortieth
That common right m hm. And so if he doesn't
run it the pro day, there there's that question in
mind like okay, well how fast is he? And and
maybe some people say, well that really doesn't matter, right,
Like Travis Kelce has played for ever first bout Hall
of Famer, still extremely effective. George Kittle for that matter too,
still extremely effective and obviously not running a four four

(01:05:08):
four five forty at this point. But I do wonder
if that because the tape is so good, I mean,
it's so good on Tyler Warren that you're like, well,
I don't want to do anything that takes away from that.
And if I run a forty and you know, we
all saw like Xavier ostrepro is in this category. He
was a very productive wide receiver at Miami. Sure handed,

(01:05:31):
runs great routes, gives great effort, yards after the catch,
yards after contact, like everything you're looking for from a
football player in restrep ro. The problem is he ran
a four to eight to forty in some cases four
to seven on some watches at the Pro Day. So
what do you think the narrative is now? Oh, he
went from maybe a mid round pick to now being
a late round pick because people need to be able
to separate and see that sort of speed, even though

(01:05:52):
he plays faster than what he timed. I do wonder
if there's a concern if he is running or if
he's he's being clocked and running, if they're like, there's
no reason to do this because if he does run
a four to eight or a four high four to seven,
it's it's maybe a ding on him in some ways,
even though that's still pretty darn fast for a guy
of his size at athletic ability.

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
Do they have to release the times when you go
do a personal a personal workout, do they have to
release the information?

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
No? And always on top of that, My experience is no,
they don't. But like my experience, is there anybody from
the mill, No, they're not allowed.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
No, no, but but my experience was also never having
to do anything other than just throwing and kind of
working out when and by the way, it used to
be where they had to come to your school to
do it or or a separate site, not at their facility.
So like when you do a visit to a team,
you'll meet with their medical staff, the coaching staff, front office,

(01:06:52):
but you don't do anything physical when they come to you.
It has to be you know that that's where the
workout has to take place or somewhere else. So you know,
I'd run the forty at my pro day, So maybe
that was the reason why they had a time. They
were fine, Like they don't need to do that again.
Right in this case, maybe they would, you know, you
come back out to work him out and say, hey,

(01:07:14):
we want to see you run a forty and he
can decline or he can choose to do it at
that point, right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Yeah, I think that's what it's probably going to turn
out to be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
By the way, Adam Schefter did send this out a
little bit ago that Abduall Carter did have dinner last
night in State College with a large contingent of Brown's officials,
including owners Jimmy Haslam, J W. Johnson, and GM Andrew Berry.
Earlier this month, he visited the Browns facility and met
with multi will be on how about that book? And bro, hey,

(01:07:45):
you know me, all they got to do is figure
it out on offense.

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
If if they get Abdul Carter with Miles Garrett, that
that is wow, yeah, wow, that that could be really
and just talk about like the mentorship aspect of it,
like the teaching aspect of it. I think that would
be phenomenal for abdual car and be phenomenal for the Browns.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Brady's still probably still got a places out there, so
he could him up with that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
I don't but would love to see that combination. Would
love to see those two. In Jim Schwartz's defense, I
mean that is I'm telling you, man, it's a stacked roster.
I know everyone's gonna make fun of me for picking
them last year to win it, or yeah, I think
I picked them to win it didn't I yeah, But
a lot of it has to do with like how

(01:08:34):
good that team looks on paper and what that team's
capable of.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
A lot needs to be decided now this year, especially
at the quarterback spot, But I mean, find me a.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
Better overall roster. When you're looking at.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
The talent that they've got there in Cleveland, it's just
it takes a quarterback to bring it together. And unfortunately
Watson hasn't really worked out. People would say it's injuries,
but even the play that's that's been out there hasn't
been great, at least compared to what he did in
Houston in some of his high mark years. So that's
that's the biggest thing that they have to respond to
and figure out at this point. I'd love to see

(01:09:08):
them trade for Cousins. I know it would be it's
probably not possible, but I think he would bring a
level of like veteran leadership and within that structure and offense,
with that O line, that running game, their weapons, that
defense that put them directly in the hunt again.

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Speaker 6 (01:09:54):
If you do not hear from Jonas Knox after this segment,
it is because I choked him out and possibly choked
Lee out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Mark.

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
I'm gonna let you slide. I'm gonna let you live.
But if y'all do not hear him when we come
back from break. It is because I choked him out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Just so, Michael, those are twenty minutes ago, so you're
so far away I can't get a hold of your
big ass, but you could get it too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
I'm just telling you that that I owe y'all. I
owe y'all big time on that one.