September 16, 2024 • 37 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Chiefs are on the verge of becoming unlikeable. Caleb Williams delivers another awful performance to start his pro career. Plus, a ‘petty award’ and vomit on the football in ICYMI.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Monday edition, we look back at Week
two in the NFL, well as far as Sunday goes,
We're going to take a closer look at Monday Night football.
Coming up later on in the show and the debut
edition of Lee's Leftovers, we will talk about the Kansas
City Chiefs wearing out there. Welcome for a lot of people.
(00:21):
We're going to talk about the disaster that is the
Bears offense in Sunday Night Football, and we're going to
bounce around the league.
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Whose seasons are already over at zero to two, and
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Put up stick? What up stick? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We are off and running here on a Monday morning.
What we're doing following a week two action in the NFL?
That's what it was called, lots of lots of stuff
going on in college football. Well, I was waiting for
this to have and I knew it was going to
happen eventually, and I was wondering, all right, when are
we going to take the turn?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
When is it going to go from feel good, love
it to the law offices.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Of bitch and moan checking in every single week?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well, you totally was calling on off hours last night
on the challenge.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well we'll get talked about Well, we'll get to that later.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
But I was waiting on when the Chiefs were going
to become unlikable.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I think we're at that point. At that point,
well like not for me. Not for me. I got
no issue with it. They're just who they are, man.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And And here's the thing, the Patriots went through this.
Every dynasty goes through the turn where it's feel good,
it's new, it's fresh, and then all of a sudden
the accusations start.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
They get every call, they get the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And so now following another great matchup between Cincinnati and
Kansas City, people are complaining about defensive pass interference being called.
They're complaining about the Chiefs getting all the calls. It
was clearly a past interference. Clearly Kansas City is the
best team in the league. Yeah, we are now at
the point to where I think people are getting fed
(03:17):
up with it and are now bitching and moaning constantly
by the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I think there's a lot of miss calls in all
the games. I mean, I saw I was starting to
write down notes on fed up calls, and it was
so many I just stopped. I was like, I don't
even because I'm going to reference and refer to Yeah,
(03:42):
I mean yeah, you could be an a hole about it,
but if they were being honest about it, I just
didn't feel like doing it. I mean I was looking
at it. We could start off Monday with with you.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Know, you realize the monumental task would have been to
write down all the holding calls.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, especially with everything I got on, you should have
called it before you started the task. I said, don't
do it. It's gonna take too long.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, whatever, Q, you came in hot today. You know
what fines grew you. Hey, but listen, though there were
a lot of bad calls, there have been bad calls.
There were bad calls at college, there were bad There
was a lot of bad calls this weekend. Like I
was looking at it, and I felt like there were
some like what was the game? The USC game? The
(04:27):
Southern Carolina game? Bad calls? Organs? You push the guy
dang quarterback on his shoulder? How was that?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's the That was.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
The one most egregious thing to me that I've been
looking at is how the quarterbacks are treated. It's like
anything and everything, if it's in, if it's in any
type of question, throw the flag. I don't understand. How
how was that a What was it too much? It
(04:56):
was too much roughness or something like that on the quarterback?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
What was it? What was it?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Because I'm confused anyway, I just saw a lot of
like Shore Kansas City when they're they're just better. Like, Okay,
there's a lot they get calls. Okay, I get it,
calls go their way, all right, the Chiefs are better.
It's the Chiefs are just they're They're that team.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It's New England all over again.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
They're going to win close games.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I don't know if there's New England.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
But here's the thing I'll say, why it's not New
England is because they don't act like New England.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
They don't play like New England. New England. In particular,
Brady's first three years, it.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Was much more of a we're gonna win tight games
and we're gonna get by on a field goal. That
was kind of the first three Super Bowls. It was like, oh,
he's gonna drive down when you have a kick for
a field goal. Now, yes, that's how they won this
past week. But it feels like it's more of Ma Homes.
It feels like it's more big plays. It feels like
it more comes down to a drive is something else.
(06:01):
And I would say that their defense last year, you
might have been say it was comparable to what the
Patriots had early on for that reign, but not what
their first couple of Super Bowls were. I mean, the
Chiefs defense is getting there. It wasn't as dominant as
the Patriots was, but there's similarities in the case that
(06:22):
if you stay what the hero long enough, you turn
into the villain. And that's where we're at, right, not
to pull line from Batman, but that's ultimately where we're at,
is they are turning into the villain.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And you could chalk it up to a number of reasons.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It always starts off with the greatness and the haters,
because there's gonna be haters when you're that good, all right,
just haters, haighten. But then it transitions to even like
all the commercials, the jealousy that comes.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
With that, Oh they get all the calls? Is there that?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yes, well, Taylor Swift that plays part of that girl.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah, but think about this, No one's gotten more past
interference calls since twenty eighteen, all right, A lot of
plays that would have otherwise been incomplete or.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Not counted than Patrick Maholmes. I think he's had like
it's eighteen sixteen something like that. Since twenty eighteen, no
one's had more. Now that's not a ton, right, You're
talking about six year, sixth season span. Okay, and think
about how many games that is, and then how many
plays that is. You're saying, all right, it's sixteen eight
what however many times has been Okay, he's got the most. Well,
(07:35):
maybe there's a reason for it, you know. Maybe the
reality is they're the team that defenses are trying their
best to stop in those final moments, and they get
desperate and they make a poor decision and it's past interference.
This was like classic pass interference, the definition of it
on that particular play. I actually thought the hands to
the face, the hands of the face, called that before
(07:57):
that when they converted on fourth and say, then they
brought it back for the illegal hands to face, I
thought that.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Was more of a kind of a I don't know,
it seemed more incidental. It wasn't. It wasn't as big
of an.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Impact even to the play as it seemed to be.
So then you back them up the fourth and sixteen.
Now you complain about that.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I don't know. Again, you might think they get a
lot of calls. The reality is they're just that good. Yeah, Pat,
Pat didn't even play Patrick didn't even play that well.
They didn't even play that well.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It was it was the defense in a lot of
ways that that was the reason why they won that game.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I could watch those two teams play every single day.
I don't know why, and they don't like they do.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
They get after it and listen, they they know Spags
knows how.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
To to get to them.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I mean, they they they pressure him, They they make
him uncomfortable, and and they they contain like they they
You're not going to stop the Chief's offense. You're not
going to totally stop them. You have to contain them.
It's like contain, contain, contain it. And they do a
(09:09):
really really fine job of doing it. I mean, we
watched a masterful job by flora As yesterday. Defensively, I
would have never thought that that would have took place.
You know, you slowed down a Shanahan offense.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But you know what.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
That that there's just a certain there's a certain group
of guys that know how to defensively scheme and scheme
in a way where it's just it's it's fun to
watch watching Cincinnati play against the Chiefs and how they're
able to have you know, so much, so much success.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I mean, I find it to be pretty.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It's as a defender, I know, as some people that
may not like it, but.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Like, I mean, listen, I like seeing that.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I like seeing defensive games, and now that's generally a
defensive game.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
When you see those.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Twos, I mean the past interference penalty. First of all,
it was the right call. Secondly, Joe Burrow's fumble is
what changed the game. Like it felt like Cincinnati had
an opportunity to really take advantage. You know, they were up,
they had the ball, they were starting to find something,
and then he fumbles. There's a scoop score and still
they had an opportunity to win that game late. But
(10:23):
I look at it and I go, if you're Cincinnati,
you come away from that game going you feel better
about your performance because you didn't look as bad as
you did in Week one. But there were opportunities for
them to win that game.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Imagine if they're Tennessee. I mean same different one. Two mistakes, man,
this was I saw a lot of mistakes. You know
what I saw. I saw teams that didn't make mistakes,
like critical mistakes, and I saw teams that make critical mistakes.
And those are differences. I mean Patrick had two interceptions
in the game. How many did how many did how
(10:57):
many did Caleb Williams have? People were like eating his lunch,
including you Jonas two hundred?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
How many? Like how many interceptions did he throw? Like three?
Two should have been three? He threw two.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So he threw the same amount pretty much as Patrick Mahomes,
and people are like nailing him to the cross today. Man,
It's like the kid had some bad moments, Like he
had some some I'm just going to throw the ball
up moments. So did Patrick Mahomes. I'm just throw the
ball up moments. Difference is is Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes.
(11:29):
So you know it's going to be judged and look
that differently. But I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
It's more calculated by Mahomes when he throws it up.
Guys come down with the ball or they get like
a pass interference. Other guys do it. It's like, oh deep,
why you do that?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
The can Taylor britt interception the one handed grass all right?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Is that gloves or is that grip?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
It's both, but it's both. I mean, give the man credit.
You don't make a pick like that and not have
some sort of hands to it. But can I give
you an overarching theme that I think we're seeing right
now in the NFL as well as college, because I
feel like we're not gonna newsplash, We're not going to
(12:10):
have a rookie quarterback that plays.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
As well with CJ. Stroud last year. Yeah, is that
safe to say?
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Okay, yes, that was an anomaly like that doesn't come
around very often. And I think they went back to
show like he led the league in passing yards per
game at what two seventy five, which you have to
go back to like the Sammy Baugh era, right, So
we're not going to see that again. It's very clear,
very evident. Even though we had that many quarterbacks taken
(12:38):
in the top of the first round. What we're seeing
them at both levels is quarterbacks who are kind of
thrust it into play. Like in college right now, the
transfer portal, you get these coaches who want to go
after a quarterback and they got a guy who's got experience,
or he's a little older, so he's an upperclassman, and
their thought is, well, we're gonna plug him into our
(12:58):
offense and this offense will be able to make working.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
No, there's a few exceptions.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Cam Woard's the only exception in my mind right now,
based on what we've seen in college football as far
as seeing a guy who's truly excelling at a really
really high level at a blue blood, big stage.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
School, I mean, I guess you could he.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
You may throw in coleb Accords at a good job
so far at Syracuse, but there are a lot of
guys who are struggling or applying just average. And then
you go to the NFL level and you get all
these rookies who these teams have drafted them, they want
to play them right away, and they're struggling. They are
not playing the way we saw at least even in preseason.
(13:39):
Now you've got teams game planning for you, and the
struggles real. And so that's not to say that they're
not going to be able to figure it out and
continue to grow, and everyone's gonna have a different learning curve.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
But the truth is, we look at some.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Of the best in the league and how they got
their opportunity to play it was either a long time
of playing and allowing them to develop and not making
this snap judgment on what they're going to be or
what they are as a quarterback after even their rookie
year or their second year like Josh Allen who went into.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Three years of playing, three full years of playing, or.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
You sit them, you do what exactly what Drowd Mayo's
doing in New England, and you say, I have a guy,
but I don't think he's ready yet, So I'm having
Jacoby Brissette take us out. And look, we're gonna lose
some games. Lost went to Seattle yesterday, but it's what's
best for organization and Drake may moving forward. Otherwise you
might get hurt like j Daniels did in Washington, or
(14:40):
you're gonna go out there and you're not gonna look
anywhere close to what you did in preseason, like bow
Nick so far, Killer Williams so far. So there's a
bunch of examples of it, but that's to me Ben
the overarching theory theme after three weeks of college and
two weeks so far in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
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Speaker 4 (15:03):
He also should be talked about as the top end
of the first round. He's that impressive. At first, I
was like, all right, is he really six to I'm
curious to his hype, but man, his poised, the way
he plays like he's got everything, everything.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Slang in it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe Here
on Fox Sports, Arrington Brady that so we are going
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Speaker 2 (15:33):
We don't have well, we don't have which.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Ones the ones that's going on right now? The left
right now? What a different well? Which ones?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You talking a different leftover? Universal CityWalk got Lee? Uh
So now we're all How did the challenge go last night? Absolutely?
I watched it better, better than week one.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I don't know what week one looked like because I
just saw it and went to sleep. But last night
was was good. And you wore different color suit?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Man? God bless was he went all black blue? Blue?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Okay, maybe with some white blue.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Rob Rob had on like the old head like you know, jacket.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
What about uh blue? Or what's his name?
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Who?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Manolo? No? He was not there. He's not there. Limited
appearances this year. Okay, okay, probably for the better, but
it was still interesting. I think that kind of ran
its course. If you want me to be honest, I'm
just saying for the clips I saw, it's like, you know,
I mean, I think we can move.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
It wasn't the show, but yeah, Lee Reina did show up.
They were there, made an appearance.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And everyone don't start that what.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Draw that they're not together? Nobody's staying there together. But
it just works.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I mean, Lorena, why would you like be so defiant
saying that?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I mean, like couple's names, I know, but then something
starts with els.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
We have LeVar, Lee and Lorena, but we ain't doing
Lee Rena's.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Right because you don't invite LeVar, you invite Lee out.
I asked for he wanted to go today? He said, Hey, no,
I don't want to watch jonas that. It was like that,
are going you want to go? You want some pros? No,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Lorena has hung out with Lee before. Why are you
like trying to distance yourself?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
How bad was getting murdered? Did something changed the past week?
By the way, you want to know, you want to
know the best part.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
So Lee walks up and some guy from the production
crew comes back and he goes, hey, man, there's some
guy there like named Lee or whatever, and like he says,
he's like here for the show or something like, oh yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
When I walk over.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
There and he's literally like it lit up salmon shorts,
Everyone's like, what's with this guy?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I was like, oh, salmon sh what did you say?
What you wear salmon pants? That is true, yeah, but
he was the only one like it was. Everyone was
kind of, uh, why are you letting him out like that?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, you're making You're literally talking about yourself at times.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I wasn't. This is how we talked about you. I
wasn't wearing shorts. I know you.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Weren't last weight. There's times when you do stuff. Were like,
you're the only one.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I mean, look, we're at a golf course and I
was told that that dress code was appropriate where.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Everyone else was wearing shorts. Listen, you wore long salmon pants.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Look, I know you're new to Tartan Fields. Let me
explain how this works.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You go there and they say listen, no jeans, all right,
no like a T shirts, nothing like that. So I
walked in with some salmon pants and a decent golf
shirt that was like eleven dollars and uh and we
made it wor stress for us. Yeah, so what I
mean right now?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
You said Lee was slurring his words when he was
trying to get Yeah, let's try. That's well, that's the
other part that right now. Oh, he's the leftovers. He's
sharing leftovers. I did hit up.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Lee on the radio yesterday because I go watch this
was Chopper and I go, Lee will be the only
one who will have his radio on SPA right away.
And so Chopper was talking to Lee on the radio.
Lee was talking back to Oh yeah, a full blown conversation.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Well, listen, we're gonna have a full blown conversation here
for three blowing right now.
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if you like, during his break coming.
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That just hit me day game. Why you had that respond?
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being two over dramatic.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yes you are, Okay, I just I already heard your take. Well,
but you go ahead. He was this some last night
on the Challenge. Yes, it was no recited.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
He never like.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Changes that it's not. This is not the same thing.
It's a different angle to this. This is a little
bit more in depth. Okay, the start for Caleb Williams
is way worse than I expected through two games. Like,
and it's not just a hymn problem. Offensively, the Bears
are atrocious. They can't protect him, They're undisciplined, they look disjointed.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
It is way worse than I thought it would be
through two games.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I'm sorry, Wow, am I am I crazy for saying
did you guys think it was going to look like this?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Because I thought there would be I thought.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I said he was going to struggle everybody. You know,
I won't say everybody, but there are a lot of people.
All this negussion, like bruh, like, they're not game planning him.
Once they start game planning him, you're going to see
him go through the growing pains of being in the league,
like Peyton Manning's gone through it, Others have gone through it.
(23:11):
People go through it. So it's just a matter of
him continuing to adjust to learn, and the offense has
to do the same thing. You know, they have to
grow together. I don't think that there should be any
reason and Q kind of highlighted it in the first segment.
I don't think there's any reason to think that, and
(23:32):
I cautioned people before we got this far into it,
do not compare him to what CJ. Stroud did last
night the problem and for what it's worth, he kind
of brought a little bit of it on himself as well.
Maybe not intentionally, but don't do interviews where you leave
(23:52):
Patrick Mahomes out of the conversation for greatest effort, like
best in the game right now, like don't leave him out, like,
don't throw like unnecessary shade, like put the respect factor
out there, keep it quiet, keep it cool. I just
think he's such a captivating personality. He's he's someone that
(24:14):
is worth paying attention to. He's got an electric personality
on top of the fact that he's really good at
playing ball. So I think everything is going to be
heightened when you're looking at him. Everything is going to
be that much more of scrutiny and criticisms and all
those different things. I just know it wasn't good Jonas,
(24:35):
but I'd say giving time, Q, It's just gonna take
time for this entire organization to get a team together
offensively speaking, that can actually win some football games. I
mean outside of the era with Walter.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Payton and Jim McMahon when we felt like this team
was an offensive juggernaut. Ever never am I Am I
missing something? Back in the fifties sixties.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You don't have to recall the last time they had
an offense that you could depend on the pass more
than you could the run.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
It was a laugh or yah no, no, Lobbie Smith,
Lovey Smith.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Before the season. I think they were so good at
throwing the football they had to flip a coin.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
That's a true story. I'm glad you finally brought that up. Yeah,
thank you. Look, you got to go back to Eric Kramer,
which is you know, mid nineties when you know Curtis
Conway was there and and you know all those Bobby Ingram.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, good players, good players. I'm not sure I feel
like they were overly reliant.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
They weren't on it, but because that was the best
part of their offense.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
But since then, but it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
We're not saying much then if that was the best offense, YEA.
The general point is this is, I don't know that
the Chicago Bears ownership knows what they do, even.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
When they have a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I'll just be flat out blunt. I don't know what
they know what to do. They need to build up
this offensive line. This group around him can't protect him.
I think they have the pass catchers on the outside.
It's the first year on the offense, though, and so
everything seems clunky. It doesn't feel like Kileb Williams has
a good feel for it. It doesn't feel like the
guys running the routes have a good feel for what
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they're trying to accomplish. And that's that's on Shane Waldron
to figure out how to get this group to maximize
their potential ability. But last night was more about the
offensive line. Week one I thought was more about Caleb Williams.
I didn't think he was seeing the field very well,
you know, just like Bryce Young. When I looked at
how he played in college and what he was allowed
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to do and then how that translates to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
One of my big concerns was the way he would
back out of the pocket.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
As he takes his drop, he stands with us, his
shoulders parallel to the line of scrimmage, and he backs
out of the pocket. And the problem is that caused
you that to go left or right out of the
back of the pocket. Doesn't work in the NFL. Can't
do it, get away with it in college, can't do
it in the NFL. Caleb Williams has had a similar
(27:12):
tendency to not take the first read, not take the
easy one, not take the checkdown, not take what's there
for him. And then you add pressure on top of that,
You're only playing more into that where he's going to
feel the need to want to get outside the pocket
and get the ball out of his hand or make
it play. So they got to fix the offensive line
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first and foremost, but the rest of the offense is
still very much a work in progress. And the problem
is is I do think Caleb's talented enough and special
to be one of those top quarterbacks. I'm just not
sure what that the Bears know what to do with it.
I'm not It's like they got their deep dish pizza.
Someone brings out thin cruss, like, what the hell do
we do with this? I'm just saying that that's what
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it feels like.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
We've never seen this before.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
It's like they complain about O line picks in April
and then complain about not having an O line in September,
like it's like you had the opportunity in April to
address this. They took Roma Dunze like Olu was there,
like that was an opportunity. And Ryan Polls is a
former offensive lineman. And it surprises me because they take
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such a nickel and dime approach. They think just they
can get anybody to play center. They think they can
just throw anybody out there. They've got late round draft
picks that are that are playing tackle and premium positions.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And last night he just got exposed. He took way too.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Many hits cut it felt like he was back in
usc again to.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
A degree.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Tua Tua, by the way, would not have made it
out of that game. That's how bad. There was one hit.
There was one play where he went in almost the
same exact way toa went in and got hit way harder.
There was like two three dudes. I think that hitting
at the same time he went in at first, you know,
and that you know what's crazy is it made me
(29:02):
think about it. It is like man, like you know, you
you watch and you wonder, is somebody gonna pop up
that way, like is that going to happen?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That I was?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
That was on my mind every single time there was
like a big hit on a player, but he was
getting he was getting popped, man, and that there's.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
He was taking he was getting punished so much that
even the colored commentators were like, he's getting punished.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Like it's bad out here for him. So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I don't know if he could make it through an
entire season getting hit like that and and you know,
twinkletow in it like Lee would. But there on the field,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Man. Their defense is good again, pretty good.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's like the same it's the same story for forty years.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
They keep them alive, build a defense.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
They can always build a defense, and then offensively, it's like, god,
we hope.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
They say was that Q or was that was that
the recording? Okay, there you go. It's got really good
at that.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Whole like movie s face away from the mic thing, man,
Like I said, Man, I did have one before, by
the way, just not to be like, you know, pull
back the current behind the scenes here.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Okay, do you guys ever have.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
An issue with the headset mic when you're on the road,
it just like, well I don't use it anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Well, you bring your microphone, you got to set up whole.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Well no, but I take it with me though I'm
like real paranoid that way.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't see. I'm afraid it's gonna break. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, I like created like I found like old like
kind of like protective like packages like bags or whatever,
and I put put all the stuff in there, from
my com rex to everything.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, And then I carry my arm because I know
they're like, is this dude like a sniper or something
like that? Like was he got in his bag because
I like I carried my bag dangerous Yeah that's right.
But but all it is is really a uh it's
a microphone arm, That's all it is.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
It's like, darn l you know, don't don't drop that
ball even when you're in class, you.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Know, you hold on to that darn jeff So Yeah, yeah,
good call anyway.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
For whatever reason, mind, when I played on my phone,
it always plays. It's like it starts playing music. I
can't get your it's and by the way, it's like
not even a song that I've played in years.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I think for some reason, I'm not sure if it's
because it's like a James Bay. So it's like the
b or whatever, but it's like.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
A James Bay, Like, uh, I didn't know what kind
of music you can say this, but I saw him
a concert like a decade ago and it was like
music on my phone from it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So it immediately starts playing the same song and I'm like,
what is happening? Why is this doing this to me
right now? Yeah, technologies are real pain in the ass. Sometimes.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
It kind of reminds me of the Bears, you know, like,
here we go, it's happening again. Oh man, we can't
figure this out.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So bad, It's just so bad.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
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Speaker 10 (33:14):
Lap Good Monday morning, Everyboddy. That's right, Good morning, Brady,
Good morning, Jonas. Hey guys, in case you missed this,
Lap Hey, hey, guys, in case you missed this Obviously
we know, hey Brady, obviously we know Russell Wilson didn't
suit up yesterday for the game, but we do know
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that he did receive a little bit.
Speaker 11 (33:39):
Of an honor after the game. Here is justin fields
to explain.
Speaker 12 (33:44):
I mean, I think we all know Ruscott kind of
did dirty last year, so I know he wish, you know,
he could have played today in this game. But it's awesome,
you know, getting a win for him. He got a
petty game ball so yeah, that's great ging it up
for us for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
He got a petty game ball game. That's what he's said.
Petty like people being petty. Yeah, I don't get that.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I don't like Denver's being petty. Shan paid being petty.
Oh they did beat Denver. Okay, okay, I get it.
By the way, I feel bad went over my head.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Feel bad for the horses ass that had the Broncos
plus two and a half.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Feel bad for that guy. What a what an awful bet?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
What that mean? How knocks? Locks go on? And it's
just by the way, are you one and five on
the year so far? I don't want to talk about it.
Let me just say that's about right though.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
For you, but it's not it's not helping when out
of nowhere, I'm getting lit up by the meat wagon
about that pick and referencing ghost Steelers, knowing that I
had the Broncos plus two and a half.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I just I don't know you're what you're talking about, dude.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I mean, I can't partake in these conversations when he's
coming to left field. I will say that though, Mike
Top You've been preaching this for a while. Mike Tomlin,
the Pittsburgh Stellars, they are just built to win. They
built they wattle of consistency, ugly.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
They don't win pretty. They just went their aura. Their
aura will sometimes lead to sacks on bowdecks. I'm not
sure if you saw the t J. Watt play, but
I remember seeing in real time. I go back.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I had to remember wind the TV because I'm like,
I don't think his hand actually hit him when he
spun down, and felt like that it was the oddest thing, man,
That was his aura.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It was his aura. Yeah, the energy. Yeah, just did it?
What else we got, guys?
Speaker 11 (35:36):
In case you missed this, I hope that Russell Wilson
didn't receive this ball a ball that was vomited on
in the Green Bay Packers game, actually by Josh by
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Speaker 2 (35:48):
Here is Matt Lafleur to explain.
Speaker 13 (35:50):
I asked Malik why he didn't throw the ball on
that third down and he told.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Me that Josh sir up on the ball. I was
like that, matter of fact.
Speaker 13 (36:02):
Official came over to me. Sean came over to me
and said, you know, we saw your center thrown up
on the ball. Do you want us to take him
out next time?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I said, absolutely, please do that.
Speaker 13 (36:10):
Because I mean, you're talking about a critical situation and
it's third down, and I've never had a throw with
bomb in on a football, So I don't know. I
don't think Malik probably didn't appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I mean, he still the media do that though. Yeah,
it look like he threw up on the ball. I
really thought that was var that.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Was like I added to it. I added to it,
eight is so stupid, Brady.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
If your center blue chunks all over the ball, would
you not throw it on a critical third down?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Or would you just.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Deal with you if you'd throw it baby slick as hell, man,
I mean, it'd be it'd be awful work.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
First of all, would you have known he was throwing up?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Because if he was, that's a shotgun though, like I
don't know how he would maybe he wouldn't to know him.
And plus he did it pretty slick, like I don't
know if you saw that, but it was like I
didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
What did he what? Throw it on
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Speaker 1 (01:45):
We are off and running here on a Monday morning.
What we're doing following a week two action in the NFL?
That's what it was called, lots of lots of stuff
going on in college football. Well, I was waiting for
this to have and I knew it was going to
happen eventually, and I was wondering, all right, when are
we going to take the turn?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
When is it going to go from feel good, love
it to the law offices.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Of bitch and moan checking in every single week?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well, you totally was calling on off hours last night
on the challenge.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well we'll get talked about Well, we'll get to that later.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
But I was waiting on when the Chiefs were going
to become unlikable.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I think we're at that point. At that point,
well like not for me. Not for me. I got
no issue with it. They're just who they are, man.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And And here's the thing, the Patriots went through this.
Every dynasty goes through the turn where it's feel good,
it's new, it's fresh, and then all of a sudden
the accusations start.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
They get every call, they get the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And so now following another great matchup between Cincinnati and
Kansas City, people are complaining about defensive pass interference being called.
They're complaining about the Chiefs getting all the calls. It
was clearly a past interference. Clearly Kansas City is the
best team in the league. Yeah, we are now at
the point to where I think people are getting fed
(03:17):
up with it and are now bitching and moaning constantly
by the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I think there's a lot of miss calls in all
the games. I mean, I saw I was starting to
write down notes on fed up calls, and it was
so many I just stopped. I was like, I don't
even because I'm going to reference and refer to Yeah,
(03:42):
I mean yeah, you could be an a hole about it,
but if they were being honest about it, I just
didn't feel like doing it. I mean I was looking
at it. We could start off Monday with with you.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Know, you realize the monumental task would have been to
write down all the holding calls.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, especially with everything I got on, you should have
called it before you started the task. I said, don't
do it. It's gonna take too long.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, whatever, Q, you came in hot today. You know
what fines grew you. Hey, but listen, though there were
a lot of bad calls, there have been bad calls.
There were bad calls at college, there were bad There
was a lot of bad calls this weekend. Like I
was looking at it, and I felt like there were
some like what was the game? The USC game? The
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Southern Carolina game? Bad calls? Organs? You push the guy
dang quarterback on his shoulder? How was that?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's the That was.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
The one most egregious thing to me that I've been
looking at is how the quarterbacks are treated. It's like
anything and everything, if it's in, if it's in any
type of question, throw the flag. I don't understand. How
how was that a What was it too much? It
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was too much roughness or something like that on the quarterback?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
What was it? What was it?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Because I'm confused anyway, I just saw a lot of
like Shore Kansas City when they're they're just better. Like, Okay,
there's a lot they get calls. Okay, I get it,
calls go their way, all right, the Chiefs are better.
It's the Chiefs are just they're They're that team.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It's New England all over again.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
They're going to win close games.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I don't know if there's New England.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
But here's the thing I'll say, why it's not New
England is because they don't act like New England.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
They don't play like New England. New England. In particular,
Brady's first three years, it.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Was much more of a we're gonna win tight games
and we're gonna get by on a field goal. That
was kind of the first three Super Bowls. It was like, oh,
he's gonna drive down when you have a kick for
a field goal. Now, yes, that's how they won this
past week. But it feels like it's more of Ma Homes.
It feels like it's more big plays. It feels like
it more comes down to a drive is something else.
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And I would say that their defense last year, you
might have been say it was comparable to what the
Patriots had early on for that reign, but not what
their first couple of Super Bowls were. I mean, the
Chiefs defense is getting there. It wasn't as dominant as
the Patriots was, but there's similarities in the case that
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if you stay what the hero long enough, you turn
into the villain. And that's where we're at, right, not
to pull line from Batman, but that's ultimately where we're at,
is they are turning into the villain.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And you could chalk it up to a number of reasons.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It always starts off with the greatness and the haters,
because there's gonna be haters when you're that good, all right,
just haters, haighten. But then it transitions to even like
all the commercials, the jealousy that comes.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
With that, Oh they get all the calls? Is there that?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yes, well, Taylor Swift that plays part of that girl.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah, but think about this, No one's gotten more past
interference calls since twenty eighteen, all right, A lot of
plays that would have otherwise been incomplete or.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Not counted than Patrick Maholmes. I think he's had like
it's eighteen sixteen something like that. Since twenty eighteen, no
one's had more. Now that's not a ton, right, You're
talking about six year, sixth season span. Okay, and think
about how many games that is, and then how many
plays that is. You're saying, all right, it's sixteen eight
what however many times has been Okay, he's got the most. Well,
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maybe there's a reason for it, you know. Maybe the
reality is they're the team that defenses are trying their
best to stop in those final moments, and they get
desperate and they make a poor decision and it's past interference.
This was like classic pass interference, the definition of it
on that particular play. I actually thought the hands to
the face, the hands of the face, called that before
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that when they converted on fourth and say, then they
brought it back for the illegal hands to face, I
thought that.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Was more of a kind of a I don't know,
it seemed more incidental. It wasn't. It wasn't as big
of an.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Impact even to the play as it seemed to be.
So then you back them up the fourth and sixteen.
Now you complain about that.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I don't know. Again, you might think they get a
lot of calls. The reality is they're just that good. Yeah, Pat,
Pat didn't even play Patrick didn't even play that well.
They didn't even play that well.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It was it was the defense in a lot of
ways that that was the reason why they won that game.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I could watch those two teams play every single day.
I don't know why, and they don't like they do.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
They get after it and listen, they they know Spags
knows how.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
To to get to them.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I mean, they they they pressure him, They they make
him uncomfortable, and and they they contain like they they
You're not going to stop the Chief's offense. You're not
going to totally stop them. You have to contain them.
It's like contain, contain, contain it. And they do a
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really really fine job of doing it. I mean, we
watched a masterful job by flora As yesterday. Defensively, I
would have never thought that that would have took place.
You know, you slowed down a Shanahan offense.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But you know what.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
That that there's just a certain there's a certain group
of guys that know how to defensively scheme and scheme
in a way where it's just it's it's fun to
watch watching Cincinnati play against the Chiefs and how they're
able to have you know, so much, so much success.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I mean, I find it to be pretty.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It's as a defender, I know, as some people that
may not like it, but.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Like, I mean, listen, I like seeing that.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I like seeing defensive games, and now that's generally a
defensive game.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
When you see those.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Twos, I mean the past interference penalty. First of all,
it was the right call. Secondly, Joe Burrow's fumble is
what changed the game. Like it felt like Cincinnati had
an opportunity to really take advantage. You know, they were up,
they had the ball, they were starting to find something,
and then he fumbles. There's a scoop score and still
they had an opportunity to win that game late. But
(10:23):
I look at it and I go, if you're Cincinnati,
you come away from that game going you feel better
about your performance because you didn't look as bad as
you did in Week one. But there were opportunities for
them to win that game.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Imagine if they're Tennessee. I mean same different one. Two mistakes, man,
this was I saw a lot of mistakes. You know
what I saw. I saw teams that didn't make mistakes,
like critical mistakes, and I saw teams that make critical mistakes.
And those are differences. I mean Patrick had two interceptions
in the game. How many did how many did how
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many did Caleb Williams have? People were like eating his lunch,
including you Jonas two hundred?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
How many? Like how many interceptions did he throw? Like three?
Two should have been three? He threw two.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So he threw the same amount pretty much as Patrick Mahomes,
and people are like nailing him to the cross today. Man,
It's like the kid had some bad moments, Like he
had some some I'm just going to throw the ball
up moments. So did Patrick Mahomes. I'm just throw the
ball up moments. Difference is is Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes.
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So you know it's going to be judged and look
that differently. But I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
It's more calculated by Mahomes when he throws it up.
Guys come down with the ball or they get like
a pass interference. Other guys do it. It's like, oh deep,
why you do that?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
The can Taylor britt interception the one handed grass all right?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Is that gloves or is that grip?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
It's both, but it's both. I mean, give the man credit.
You don't make a pick like that and not have
some sort of hands to it. But can I give
you an overarching theme that I think we're seeing right
now in the NFL as well as college, because I
feel like we're not gonna newsplash, We're not going to
(12:10):
have a rookie quarterback that plays.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
As well with CJ. Stroud last year. Yeah, is that
safe to say?
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Okay, yes, that was an anomaly like that doesn't come
around very often. And I think they went back to
show like he led the league in passing yards per
game at what two seventy five, which you have to
go back to like the Sammy Baugh era, right, So
we're not going to see that again. It's very clear,
very evident. Even though we had that many quarterbacks taken
(12:38):
in the top of the first round. What we're seeing
them at both levels is quarterbacks who are kind of
thrust it into play. Like in college right now, the
transfer portal, you get these coaches who want to go
after a quarterback and they got a guy who's got experience,
or he's a little older, so he's an upperclassman, and
their thought is, well, we're gonna plug him into our
(12:58):
offense and this offense will be able to make working.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
No, there's a few exceptions.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Cam Woard's the only exception in my mind right now,
based on what we've seen in college football as far
as seeing a guy who's truly excelling at a really
really high level at a blue blood, big stage.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
School, I mean, I guess you could he.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
You may throw in coleb Accords at a good job
so far at Syracuse, but there are a lot of
guys who are struggling or applying just average. And then
you go to the NFL level and you get all
these rookies who these teams have drafted them, they want
to play them right away, and they're struggling. They are
not playing the way we saw at least even in preseason.
(13:39):
Now you've got teams game planning for you, and the
struggles real. And so that's not to say that they're
not going to be able to figure it out and
continue to grow, and everyone's gonna have a different learning curve.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
But the truth is, we look at some.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Of the best in the league and how they got
their opportunity to play it was either a long time
of playing and allowing them to develop and not making
this snap judgment on what they're going to be or
what they are as a quarterback after even their rookie
year or their second year like Josh Allen who went into.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Three years of playing, three full years of playing, or.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
You sit them, you do what exactly what Drowd Mayo's
doing in New England, and you say, I have a guy,
but I don't think he's ready yet, So I'm having
Jacoby Brissette take us out. And look, we're gonna lose
some games. Lost went to Seattle yesterday, but it's what's
best for organization and Drake may moving forward. Otherwise you
might get hurt like j Daniels did in Washington, or
(14:40):
you're gonna go out there and you're not gonna look
anywhere close to what you did in preseason, like bow
Nick so far, Killer Williams so far. So there's a
bunch of examples of it, but that's to me Ben
the overarching theory theme after three weeks of college and
two weeks so far in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
By the way, cam Warden now the favorite to win
the Heisman. Courtesy DraftKings as he should be the throws lasers, and.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
He also should be talked about as the top end
of the first round. He's that impressive. At first, I
was like, all right, is he really six to I'm
curious to his hype, but man, his poised, the way
he plays like he's got everything, everything.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Slang in it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe Here
on Fox Sports, Arrington Brady that so we are going
to have coming up later on Now, by the way,
we're gonna have Lee's leftovers.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
We don't have well, we don't have which.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Ones the ones that's going on right now? The left
right now? What a different well? Which ones?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You talking a different leftover? Universal CityWalk got Lee? Uh
So now we're all How did the challenge go last night? Absolutely?
I watched it better, better than week one.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I don't know what week one looked like because I
just saw it and went to sleep. But last night
was was good. And you wore different color suit?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Man? God bless was he went all black blue? Blue?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Okay, maybe with some white blue.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Rob Rob had on like the old head like you know, jacket.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
What about uh blue? Or what's his name?
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Who?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Manolo? No? He was not there. He's not there. Limited
appearances this year. Okay, okay, probably for the better, but
it was still interesting. I think that kind of ran
its course. If you want me to be honest, I'm
just saying for the clips I saw, it's like, you know,
I mean, I think we can move.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
It wasn't the show, but yeah, Lee Reina did show up.
They were there, made an appearance.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And everyone don't start that what.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Draw that they're not together? Nobody's staying there together. But
it just works.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I mean, Lorena, why would you like be so defiant
saying that?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I mean, like couple's names, I know, but then something
starts with els.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
We have LeVar, Lee and Lorena, but we ain't doing
Lee Rena's.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Right because you don't invite LeVar, you invite Lee out.
I asked for he wanted to go today? He said, Hey, no,
I don't want to watch jonas that. It was like that,
are going you want to go? You want some pros? No,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Lorena has hung out with Lee before. Why are you
like trying to distance yourself?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
How bad was getting murdered? Did something changed the past week?
By the way, you want to know, you want to
know the best part.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
So Lee walks up and some guy from the production
crew comes back and he goes, hey, man, there's some
guy there like named Lee or whatever, and like he says,
he's like here for the show or something like, oh yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
When I walk over.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
There and he's literally like it lit up salmon shorts,
Everyone's like, what's with this guy?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I was like, oh, salmon sh what did you say?
What you wear salmon pants? That is true, yeah, but
he was the only one like it was. Everyone was
kind of, uh, why are you letting him out like that?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, you're making You're literally talking about yourself at times.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I wasn't. This is how we talked about you. I
wasn't wearing shorts. I know you.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Weren't last weight. There's times when you do stuff. Were like,
you're the only one.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I mean, look, we're at a golf course and I
was told that that dress code was appropriate where.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Everyone else was wearing shorts. Listen, you wore long salmon pants.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Look, I know you're new to Tartan Fields. Let me
explain how this works.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You go there and they say listen, no jeans, all right,
no like a T shirts, nothing like that. So I
walked in with some salmon pants and a decent golf
shirt that was like eleven dollars and uh and we
made it wor stress for us. Yeah, so what I
mean right now?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
You said Lee was slurring his words when he was
trying to get Yeah, let's try. That's well, that's the
other part that right now. Oh, he's the leftovers. He's
sharing leftovers. I did hit up.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Lee on the radio yesterday because I go watch this
was Chopper and I go, Lee will be the only
one who will have his radio on SPA right away.
And so Chopper was talking to Lee on the radio.
Lee was talking back to Oh yeah, a full blown conversation.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Well, listen, we're gonna have a full blown conversation here
for three blowing right now.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Coming up. What he is it is take a respite
if you like, during his break coming.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Up next year from the from the tire rack dot
Com studios, you're gonna hear somebody try and take a
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Speaker 2 (20:07):
That just hit me day game. Why you had that respond?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I did to take a measured approach when it comes
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Speaker 2 (21:49):
Not even playing.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Got a nice little award and a nice little ceremony afterwards.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So we'll get into that for you again.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Fifteen minutes from now, you guys, tell me if I'm
being two over dramatic.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yes you are, Okay, I just I already heard your take. Well,
but you go ahead. He was this some last night
on the Challenge. Yes, it was no recited.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
He never like.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Changes that it's not. This is not the same thing.
It's a different angle to this. This is a little
bit more in depth. Okay, the start for Caleb Williams
is way worse than I expected through two games. Like,
and it's not just a hymn problem. Offensively, the Bears
are atrocious. They can't protect him, They're undisciplined, they look disjointed.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
It is way worse than I thought it would be
through two games.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I'm sorry, Wow, am I am I crazy for saying
did you guys think it was going to look like this?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Because I thought there would be I thought.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I said he was going to struggle everybody. You know,
I won't say everybody, but there are a lot of people.
All this negussion, like bruh, like, they're not game planning him.
Once they start game planning him, you're going to see
him go through the growing pains of being in the league,
like Peyton Manning's gone through it, Others have gone through it.
(23:11):
People go through it. So it's just a matter of
him continuing to adjust to learn, and the offense has
to do the same thing. You know, they have to
grow together. I don't think that there should be any
reason and Q kind of highlighted it in the first segment.
I don't think there's any reason to think that, and
(23:32):
I cautioned people before we got this far into it,
do not compare him to what CJ. Stroud did last
night the problem and for what it's worth, he kind
of brought a little bit of it on himself as well.
Maybe not intentionally, but don't do interviews where you leave
(23:52):
Patrick Mahomes out of the conversation for greatest effort, like
best in the game right now, like don't leave him out, like,
don't throw like unnecessary shade, like put the respect factor
out there, keep it quiet, keep it cool. I just
think he's such a captivating personality. He's he's someone that
(24:14):
is worth paying attention to. He's got an electric personality
on top of the fact that he's really good at
playing ball. So I think everything is going to be
heightened when you're looking at him. Everything is going to
be that much more of scrutiny and criticisms and all
those different things. I just know it wasn't good Jonas,
(24:35):
but I'd say giving time, Q, It's just gonna take
time for this entire organization to get a team together
offensively speaking, that can actually win some football games. I
mean outside of the era with Walter.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Payton and Jim McMahon when we felt like this team
was an offensive juggernaut. Ever never am I Am I
missing something? Back in the fifties sixties.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You don't have to recall the last time they had
an offense that you could depend on the pass more
than you could the run.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
It was a laugh or yah no, no, Lobbie Smith,
Lovey Smith.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Before the season. I think they were so good at
throwing the football they had to flip a coin.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
That's a true story. I'm glad you finally brought that up. Yeah,
thank you. Look, you got to go back to Eric Kramer,
which is you know, mid nineties when you know Curtis
Conway was there and and you know all those Bobby Ingram.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, good players, good players. I'm not sure I feel
like they were overly reliant.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
They weren't on it, but because that was the best
part of their offense.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
But since then, but it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
We're not saying much then if that was the best offense, YEA.
The general point is this is, I don't know that
the Chicago Bears ownership knows what they do, even.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
When they have a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I'll just be flat out blunt. I don't know what
they know what to do. They need to build up
this offensive line. This group around him can't protect him.
I think they have the pass catchers on the outside.
It's the first year on the offense, though, and so
everything seems clunky. It doesn't feel like Kileb Williams has
a good feel for it. It doesn't feel like the
guys running the routes have a good feel for what
(26:24):
they're trying to accomplish. And that's that's on Shane Waldron
to figure out how to get this group to maximize
their potential ability. But last night was more about the
offensive line. Week one I thought was more about Caleb Williams.
I didn't think he was seeing the field very well,
you know, just like Bryce Young. When I looked at
how he played in college and what he was allowed
(26:44):
to do and then how that translates to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
One of my big concerns was the way he would
back out of the pocket.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
As he takes his drop, he stands with us, his
shoulders parallel to the line of scrimmage, and he backs
out of the pocket. And the problem is that caused
you that to go left or right out of the
back of the pocket. Doesn't work in the NFL. Can't
do it, get away with it in college, can't do
it in the NFL. Caleb Williams has had a similar
(27:12):
tendency to not take the first read, not take the
easy one, not take the checkdown, not take what's there
for him. And then you add pressure on top of that,
You're only playing more into that where he's going to
feel the need to want to get outside the pocket
and get the ball out of his hand or make
it play. So they got to fix the offensive line
(27:34):
first and foremost, but the rest of the offense is
still very much a work in progress. And the problem
is is I do think Caleb's talented enough and special
to be one of those top quarterbacks. I'm just not
sure what that the Bears know what to do with it.
I'm not It's like they got their deep dish pizza.
Someone brings out thin cruss, like, what the hell do
we do with this? I'm just saying that that's what
(27:54):
it feels like.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
We've never seen this before.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
It's like they complain about O line picks in April
and then complain about not having an O line in September,
like it's like you had the opportunity in April to
address this. They took Roma Dunze like Olu was there,
like that was an opportunity. And Ryan Polls is a
former offensive lineman. And it surprises me because they take
(28:21):
such a nickel and dime approach. They think just they
can get anybody to play center. They think they can
just throw anybody out there. They've got late round draft
picks that are that are playing tackle and premium positions.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And last night he just got exposed. He took way too.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Many hits cut it felt like he was back in
usc again to.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
A degree.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Tua Tua, by the way, would not have made it
out of that game. That's how bad. There was one hit.
There was one play where he went in almost the
same exact way toa went in and got hit way harder.
There was like two three dudes. I think that hitting
at the same time he went in at first, you know,
and that you know what's crazy is it made me
(29:02):
think about it. It is like man, like you know, you
you watch and you wonder, is somebody gonna pop up
that way, like is that going to happen?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That I was?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
That was on my mind every single time there was
like a big hit on a player, but he was
getting he was getting popped, man, and that there's.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
He was taking he was getting punished so much that
even the colored commentators were like, he's getting punished.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Like it's bad out here for him. So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I don't know if he could make it through an
entire season getting hit like that and and you know,
twinkletow in it like Lee would. But there on the field,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Man. Their defense is good again, pretty good.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's like the same it's the same story for forty years.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
They keep them alive, build a defense.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
They can always build a defense, and then offensively, it's like, god,
we hope.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
They say was that Q or was that was that
the recording? Okay, there you go. It's got really good
at that.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Whole like movie s face away from the mic thing, man,
Like I said, Man, I did have one before, by
the way, just not to be like, you know, pull
back the current behind the scenes here.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Okay, do you guys ever have.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
An issue with the headset mic when you're on the road,
it just like, well I don't use it anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Well, you bring your microphone, you got to set up whole.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Well no, but I take it with me though I'm
like real paranoid that way.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't see. I'm afraid it's gonna break. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, I like created like I found like old like
kind of like protective like packages like bags or whatever,
and I put put all the stuff in there, from
my com rex to everything.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, And then I carry my arm because I know
they're like, is this dude like a sniper or something
like that? Like was he got in his bag because
I like I carried my bag dangerous Yeah that's right.
But but all it is is really a uh it's
a microphone arm, That's all it is.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
It's like, darn l you know, don't don't drop that
ball even when you're in class, you.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Know, you hold on to that darn jeff So Yeah, yeah,
good call anyway.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
For whatever reason, mind, when I played on my phone,
it always plays. It's like it starts playing music. I
can't get your it's and by the way, it's like
not even a song that I've played in years.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I think for some reason, I'm not sure if it's
because it's like a James Bay. So it's like the
b or whatever, but it's like.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
A James Bay, Like, uh, I didn't know what kind
of music you can say this, but I saw him
a concert like a decade ago and it was like
music on my phone from it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So it immediately starts playing the same song and I'm like,
what is happening? Why is this doing this to me
right now? Yeah, technologies are real pain in the ass. Sometimes.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
It kind of reminds me of the Bears, you know, like,
here we go, it's happening again. Oh man, we can't
figure this out.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So bad, It's just so bad.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
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Speaker 2 (32:04):
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little over ten minutes from now.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Oh boy, are they bad? This one that couldn't get
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Speaker 10 (33:14):
Lap Good Monday morning, Everyboddy. That's right, Good morning, Brady,
Good morning, Jonas. Hey guys, in case you missed this,
Lap Hey, hey, guys, in case you missed this Obviously
we know, hey Brady, obviously we know Russell Wilson didn't
suit up yesterday for the game, but we do know
(33:37):
that he did receive a little bit.
Speaker 11 (33:39):
Of an honor after the game. Here is justin fields
to explain.
Speaker 12 (33:44):
I mean, I think we all know Ruscott kind of
did dirty last year, so I know he wish, you know,
he could have played today in this game. But it's awesome,
you know, getting a win for him. He got a
petty game ball so yeah, that's great ging it up
for us for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
He got a petty game ball game. That's what he's said.
Petty like people being petty. Yeah, I don't get that.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I don't like Denver's being petty. Shan paid being petty.
Oh they did beat Denver. Okay, okay, I get it.
By the way, I feel bad went over my head.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Feel bad for the horses ass that had the Broncos
plus two and a half.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Feel bad for that guy. What a what an awful bet?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
What that mean? How knocks? Locks go on? And it's
just by the way, are you one and five on
the year so far? I don't want to talk about it.
Let me just say that's about right though.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
For you, but it's not it's not helping when out
of nowhere, I'm getting lit up by the meat wagon
about that pick and referencing ghost Steelers, knowing that I
had the Broncos plus two and a half.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I just I don't know you're what you're talking about, dude.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I mean, I can't partake in these conversations when he's
coming to left field. I will say that though, Mike
Top You've been preaching this for a while. Mike Tomlin,
the Pittsburgh Stellars, they are just built to win. They
built they wattle of consistency, ugly.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
They don't win pretty. They just went their aura. Their
aura will sometimes lead to sacks on bowdecks. I'm not
sure if you saw the t J. Watt play, but
I remember seeing in real time. I go back.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I had to remember wind the TV because I'm like,
I don't think his hand actually hit him when he
spun down, and felt like that it was the oddest thing, man,
That was his aura.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It was his aura. Yeah, the energy. Yeah, just did it?
What else we got, guys?
Speaker 11 (35:36):
In case you missed this, I hope that Russell Wilson
didn't receive this ball a ball that was vomited on
in the Green Bay Packers game, actually by Josh by
Packers center Josh Myers.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Here is Matt Lafleur to explain.
Speaker 13 (35:50):
I asked Malik why he didn't throw the ball on
that third down and he told.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Me that Josh sir up on the ball. I was
like that, matter of fact.
Speaker 13 (36:02):
Official came over to me. Sean came over to me
and said, you know, we saw your center thrown up
on the ball. Do you want us to take him
out next time?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I said, absolutely, please do that.
Speaker 13 (36:10):
Because I mean, you're talking about a critical situation and
it's third down, and I've never had a throw with
bomb in on a football, So I don't know. I
don't think Malik probably didn't appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I mean, he still the media do that though. Yeah,
it look like he threw up on the ball. I
really thought that was var that.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Was like I added to it. I added to it,
eight is so stupid, Brady.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
If your center blue chunks all over the ball, would
you not throw it on a critical third down?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Or would you just.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Deal with you if you'd throw it baby slick as hell, man,
I mean, it'd be it'd be awful work.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
First of all, would you have known he was throwing up?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Because if he was, that's a shotgun though, like I
don't know how he would maybe he wouldn't to know him.
And plus he did it pretty slick, like I don't
know if you saw that, but it was like I
didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
What did he what? Throw it on
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