April 17, 2025 • 42 mins
2 Pros and a Cup of Joe fill in for Dan Patrick, and struggle to get excited about the Play-In Tournament. Nico Iamaleava decides to head to UCLA and proves the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Execs around the league are reportedly torn on Shedeur Sanders being a first round talent. Plus, calling your opponent stinky on ‘In Case You Missed It.’
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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So that's that's one way to start this show here
on this Thursday morning.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
How are we everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You know?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Bad news beardness travels. It travels from Tom apparently, so apparently,
you know bad news bears had knows no limits or
no boundaries. You know, it just shows up where it
shows up.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
It was Lee's birthday a couple of days ago, and
I think that extended into the next stuff forty eight hours.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I mean, it's just interesting that it's always the usual,
like our voices are connected to it, our back ends
connects like we're.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
The bad news. But what are you getting at? I mean,
I just told.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You and you gotta you can't.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It can't be anything other than what you are. Are
you saying we are the playing games Fox Sports?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
In my mind, I was sitting there like it's a
great segue into playing games.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I mean, but you know, I don't know. In the end,
the Bad News Beers did end up winning, so there's that,
you know, But god, dang, they was the bad News
Beers all the way up to it. Yeah. Yeah, a
lot of whiffs before then, a lot of strikeout shouts
out to Dallas. They won something. Huh, they did some thing.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Hey, they look good, man, I mean, I know people
are maybe sleeping on them, but they look good. I
could see them being sneakily kind of going on a
little bit of a run.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
You think.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, the West, Yeah yeah, Anthony Davis can play. The
problem is how for how long?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Look, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
If he's healthy and Clay some of the other pieces
they have on that team. Man, they've got some guys
who've been able to navigate through the playoffs and have
won championships before. Man, I'm telling you that could be
a dangerous combination.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, I doubt it that one. Ain't going that that's
going to be a short lived you know. It's because
it's short lived. Story is because it's Dallas. No, it's
because the West is pretty loaded, man, and they're just
not going to be able to run that one. I
don't see it. I mean, it's possible, clearly, I'm not
I'm not. I'm not an expert. So Q could come
(02:57):
out being you know, correct on it. But I don't
see it though. I just think that if you're going
to look at one of the playing teams out of
the West again, I'm I'm mistaking my I'm putting my
ten toes down on the mountain, on the hill of
the Golden State Warriors. That's That's what I'm gonna do
out of the play in teams.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
But they would have to play each other for a while.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So yeah, well, I don't see that being a hit
to hit. I'm not saying that way. I'm just saying
the team that I could see making a run out
of the playing games would be Golden State.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It's hard for me to get excited about playing playing tournaments,
and it just look to me the NBA playoffs, for
the most part, we've had a couple of you know,
lower seeded eight and seven teams that have that have
beaten a one or a two seed a few times
in the history of the postseason. It feels like the playoffs,
outside of a four or five matchup and occasional six',
(03:51):
three doesn't start until the second.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
ROUND i, mean these seven.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Game series with your one eights and your two, Sevens it's, like,
dude can we speed this up or at least make
it more, intriguing make them a three game, series so
at least if the lower seed gets, one you put
everybody else on high alert that there could be an.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Upset BUT i just.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
CAN'T i can't get excited about it until the second
round for the most, part is what it.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Is that's the way it. Goes so.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Congratulations we'll find out what the final matchups are going
to be after these next couple of games get, going
and then we can all look forward, to you, know
hopefully getting past his first round quick get to the second,
round and then we can get to the teams that
are actual title contenders as opposed to some of these playing.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Teams but.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
There is the discussion that is still going, on but
apparently it's coming to an. End in the world of.
Sports nico has made a. Decision Not Nico, harrison all,
right not. Him every Time i'm going to try this out, Again,
NIKO i stop saying. It avaam has, apparently according to.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The to rename. Him i'm leaving, you.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And for some strange, REASON i could say that way
easier than what the real way of.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Saying he is reportedly is going to be A Ucla.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Bruin and apparently this according To Colin, cowherd who sent
this tweet out, yesterday that the family is still saying this.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Is not about.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Money it had nothing to do with. Money it was
all about The Tennessee volunteers. Offense and so he finds
himself reportedly In. Westwood he will be A Ucla. Bruin
but again it's got nothing to do with money at all,
whatsoever and definitely not the four million dollars that was
reported they were asking for when he was making two
million a change already With tennessee set for this upcoming,
(05:52):
Year so.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
He's going to play for? Free is that what you're?
Saying it's going to go there and be closer.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
To home and all.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
That it's not money just so everybody, knows ye playing for,
free but he is playing for less money and the
taxes are.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Higher so there's. That, yeah it.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Was it was a losing proposition all the way. Around
not only would he made more money to your point
too at the, taxes but now he's in a different,
system not on a team that's as. TALENTED i, mean
if you look At tennessee last, year which qualified for
The College Football, playoff and by the, way mind, you
and then this is not to be a slight On Niko,
(06:27):
iamaliava but there's been a string of quarterbacks who have got,
drafted who've been put up big numbers.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
There he did not play that.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Well that was a defensive led, team that was a
team that could tote the rock. TOO i would, say
if you're looking at one of the weaker parts of their,
team it was the inconsistency in the passing. Game so
not only are there those kind of struggles from, that
but now he goes to a lesser, team he's not
getting paid as, much and he's gonna be playing having
an uphill, battle playing in a conference where you, know
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at least they were one of the top teams in THE.
Sec that's not the case FOR. Ucla you, know they
kind of feel at times like they're a bit of a.
Doormat now they turn things around second half of last,
season but it's going to be an uphill battle in
so many different ways for, him and it's. Unfortunate and
whether or not his his, team whether it's his, family
whether it's his, agent wants to admit. It this was
(07:18):
an absolute disaster and it's probably a good thing for
a lot of other players out there in college football
that can hopefully appreciate the opportunities they've, gotten understand that
the grass is not always, greener and try to you,
know what's the saying that, levars you, know be where
your feet are or stand where your fet a.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Or whatever something to that. Effect, yeah be. Present being
present is being where your feet. Are, yeah that's. YEAH
i mean why try to be somewhere where you're not
be at where your feet. At be at where your feet. At,
see that's what happens when you take time, off you
know WHAT i? Mean you get rusky with your delivery
talking about how is? Smooth then they sound a little bit.
(07:57):
Capta that's not a real.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Thing all.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Right, no All i'm gonna say Is i'm happy for
Coach foster because while people may rain down on The
Nico i'm leaving you, parade you, know on his, camp
the kid can play, ball and people can have their
opinions about him and how good and how well he
(08:21):
can play, Ball but the guy can play Some he
can play, football and he was dealing at times last
year For tennessee and probably would have had another good,
year good season under them this season if he were
still to be. There, now you go into a program
where they they have needed to be able to get
(08:42):
a break in order to have the opportunity to get
a player of his, caliber you, know wanting to come
there and play a position of such the magnitude of
what the quarterback's position. Is, so you, know opportunity created
an or circumstance that's created an opportunity for u c L.
(09:03):
A u c L a is not a major player
in the NI l. Space you're not going to get
u c L a for academic, purposes just as well
as just available funding for NI l for. Football you're
just not going to get elite level, offers elite level.
Money in, fact even prior to N I L you're
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not going to get A you're you're only going to
get a certain level of player because of the academic
requirements that they place on the guys that they bring in.
There so it's like kind of like guys go TO
usc that don't go to u c L. A and
if you understand like the politics of what goes on
at u c L, a you'd understand like it's kind
(09:45):
of like they run things almost like A Ivy league
type level school. Academically SO i think it's a great
gift For Deshaun. WATSON i don't, know fossil, student this Is. Deshaun,
geez he's where AM i right? Now thank you for
that save QU i think it's a great gift for
(10:09):
Coach foster and damn.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Keep him away from the towns.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
To worry.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
About, yeah it, does H BUT i think this is
a great gift for u c L. A and if
they were going to be a pretty good team going
into this, SEASON i think you can actually, say based
upon the circumstances that That Nico i'm leaving you is
is living under. NOW i think they're gonna get his
(10:43):
best version because he's going to be on you, know
he's going to be on guard to everything that's taking.
Place there's gonna be a lot of, criticism a lot of,
scrutiny a lot of coverage that comes his way because
what he did kind of transcends just playing the. Game
it has open in the conversation two larger pieces of
what's going on in college football and sports all. Together
(11:05):
SO i think that it's a it's an advantageous opportunity
For nico to try to redeem himself and maybe repair
his image with what's taking place as of. Late and
it's a great opportunity FOR ucla to be a better
program with what would be considered to be a top
elite type of quarterback on their on their. Roster and
(11:29):
it's not going to cost him a whole. Lot, apparently,
well they got. It they got him on the. Cheap
they got it was like two hundred and fifty less
or something like.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That they got him on a discount. Level what was
it like.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Almost, well the number of the FIGURE i saw was
one point seventy five and he was scheduled to make
two point.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Six so he's almost a million sure of what he
would have.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Made and that's not including to your earlier point. Taxes
by the, Way nico was like maybe top ten in
THE sec last, year like as far as yards and all. That,
again going back to the, point you really didn't play overly,
Well now he's joining in an offense IN ucla that
was one hundred and twenty sixth in scoring last.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Year there were one hundred and seventh in the country
in sacks. Allowed so the protection AND i know that
was like an.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
ISSUE i think that came up in some of these reports,
too is, that, hey it's not AN nfl, Systems, like,
well you knew that.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
On your way.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
In Joe milton got, Drafted Hendon hooker got. Drafted there's
been other quarterbacks who've gone To tennessee and gotten. Drafted
so it's not like that's held against those. Quarterbacks if
that was your concern or that's part of the rationale
for why you, Left you've gotten guys to THE nfl
level and they've put up good. Stats and mind, you
(12:41):
there's plenty of other quarterbacks that have played in systems
that AREN'T nfl systems and have also gotten. Drafted so
if that was part of the, rationale it doesn't make any.
Sense and again going back to the initial. Point he
hasn't even performed to a point where you felt confident
about him to be able to go somewhere, else learn
a new, system learn new, chemistry develop all those, things
(13:03):
and now he's doing it with lesser pieces around him
in a league that arguably you'd say they're at at
the bottom of the league or one of the teams
at the. Bottom SO i just FEEL i feel bad
for the young man because at some point you've got
to make your own decisions in, life and this is
one WHERE i don't know who was in his, ear
AND i know that someone made some anonymous report or
(13:25):
someone close to the family WHATEVER i believe On Front Office,
sports which if that's even, Credible but the truth of
the matter is he should have stood up and, Said i'm,
good like my payday is coming after this year WHEN
i go to THE. Nfl and unfortunately now it's, like
we'll see how this year. Goes but maybe he's a
couple of years now from leaving and be able to
go to get draft in THE. Nfl who knows how
(13:46):
this whole thing's gonna.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Shakeout so he's in a worse, situation and he took
what like a seven hundred thousand dollars pay cut in
less than a, week and now he's Got, yeah now
he's just got to kind of it feels like with anything,
new there's got to be something that's the example of
what not to, do and he's the example of what
not to. Do like he's the one that all right,
(14:09):
now everybody kind of has an. Understanding AND i do
wonder if there's probably coaches and programs that are that
are pointing to, this going, hey, guys just so you,
know like this is how things could turn really badly for.
You you could go from AN sec quarterback and at
a great program who was a playoff team a year ago.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
TO ucla like.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
That this is limited to such a small minute number
of players for this to even apply. To this is
not going to apply to anyone else but qbs at
major major universities and. Receivers that's about. It that's about.
(14:52):
It that's who this is limited. To you're not going
to see it take place with anybody. Else you could
be as gifted a football player on the defensive side
of the, ball not going to. Happen you could be
as gifted as you'd like to be on the offensive
line it's not going to happen running, back same, thing tight,
end forget about. It if you're quarterback at AN sec,
(15:13):
school A big ten, school maybe in some instances AN acc,
school you have the ability to possibly push the envelope
on these types of. Conversations not saying that negotiations don't
exist for the other.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Positions it's just not the.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Same AND i think one thing that we got to
make sure we're clear on in this, scenario AND i
was listening To kurt Herb street and what he had
to say ABOUT nil With pat, McAfee AND i thought
it was very very well put in thought, out is
that this is turning into negotiations against schools and. Players
(15:55):
in this, instance you're looking At nico getting into a
a negotiation Between tennessee and himself when in, REALITY nil
is in place for you to benefit with your, name your,
image and your. Likeness that's that's getting money through your.
(16:16):
Collective that's that's doing, appearances that's that's MAKING i, Mean
i'm just saying that's that's what it.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Was, well this is WHY i wouldn't include the collectives
is part of. IT i think the collectives are part
of the issue because the. Collectives by and, large how
they've operated are groups of boosters who are essentially taking
private money and being able, to you, know help compensate
(16:42):
and create opportunities for players and that in that, fashion
and they're doing it for the university because there wasn't
pay for plash sure or pay to, play which the
truth is is, like that's what it's always been since
it's been, enacted and even before, that when teams and
boosters are paying kids under the.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Table it's all aways been paid to.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Play, like if we want to take anil step, further
what's always bothered me about it is if you're not,
playing you're not getting. Paid so even if you want
to try to, say, well, oh it's really about marketing, dollars,
Right it's really about those opportunities to promote brands or do,
commercials or do social media postings and do appearances and all.
(17:21):
That does anyone care about you if you're not, playing
if you're not out there, performing if you're not one
of the best. Players, No, so in, essence it's always
really been about getting paid because you. Play but we
we created this world in which we had to create
loopholes and other ways in which we could find ways
(17:42):
of you, know getting players money that was within the
rules of you know what was passed by The Supreme.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Court i've said this and will always say. THIS nil
has never been.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Sustainable the way it was created and the way it's
been implemented wasn't the initial. Purpose but the problem with
the initial purposes you're kind of putting the cart before the.
Horse it always should have been a rev. Share it
always should have been THE tv money that these conferences
and schools were getting were shared with those student athletes
who are the ones actually earning. It and then you
(18:15):
could have IMPLEMENTED nil and you could have, said these
marketing dollars from name your apparel, company under, Armor, nike
whoever it's, created or name, whatever a sports, dring whatever
else it, is then that comes as part of, it
because that's the professional. Model look at THE, nfl look
at THE, nba look at all these other professional. Leagues
you are paid by your, organization and then you have
(18:39):
all that as kind of your ancillary income that comes
off of.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
That but don't get it. Twisted it is about your
ability to.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Play and that's one of the reasons, why like it's
it's always been backwards it's never made, sense and it's
why it's been a little bit of a chaotic mess.
Too is the essence of why we're compensating student athletes
in the first. Place it's all about their. Performance it's
all about their. Play, well if that's the, case then
make it a structure that actually makes sense and it's.
(19:07):
Lasting and you have examples of that at every professional.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
LEVEL i just, THINK i, mean it's. Funny, coincidentally we
were going over Man man's you know situation just. Yesterday
What man so like three contracts bro three contracts that
you got to go, through three separate entities of contracts
(19:32):
that you have to go through as it applies to
these nil well not even just an, il but just
the way the kids are. Compensated there's like three different
agreements and and one is the, collective you, know another
is this. Entity another is the school. Entity and it's
(19:53):
interesting to, me like looking at how all of it is.
Structured are you really suppor to point and aim your
frustration or YOUR i guess what your demands, are what
your expectations are to be compensated at the team, itself
at the head, coach at at you, know At tennessee
(20:17):
or wherever it is that you're. At because to, me
again it comes back down to with these blurred lines
of what this is all representation of what DOES nil
really Represent because at the end of the, day if
we're talking, apples if it's an apples the apples, conversation
then you got to talk about compensating the. Player like
(20:38):
you just, said you're paying based off of what you're
generating at off of THE tv deals and stuff like.
That there's no there's nothing that comes out, that like
in a pro contract that talks about, name image and.
Likeness you do that with The Players. Association you sign
a group license and agreement with The Players. Association that's
how you leverage your, name image and. Likeness it's a
(21:00):
different entity. Altogether so the blurred lines that have been
created AND i think that are exposed here in this
situation in, particular there's no reason for them for him
to have taken a hard line stance Like i'm not,
Practicing i'm not coming unless y'all pay me more. Money,
sure the collectives are in contact with the, university and
(21:23):
the universities are in contact with the, collectives and this
is a way for them to be able to compensate the,
players but, ultimately if we're looking at it for the
true essence of WHAT nil has created as it applies to,
today right, now you're monetizing your the value of your,
name your, image and your. Likeness so even if it's
(21:45):
coming from a collective in the sense of we're able
to pay them to be a part of our, team
but you're going to do x amount of, Appearances you're
going to do, signings you're going to do things that
support what we're doing to build this. Program bottom line
is is that there needs to be a separation and
there needs to be an understanding of what the business
(22:06):
of what you are as a player to the university
and what you are as an entity and a. Brand
all of it's all on its. Own as in a,
name your, image and your, likeness there needs to be
a very clear understanding and determination of or OR i
guess not, determination but description of what each one of those.
(22:29):
Represent BECAUSE i think this right, here this clearly shows
that there is not a separation and and and there's
how do you how do you read in between the
lines of where the collectives and how you're getting compensated
for your, name image and likeness runs and bleeds into
who you are as an athlete and a student at
(22:50):
the university that you're.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
At it's such the lion's, share by the, way will
come from the revenue. Share that's where most of the
kids will make the majority of the. Money, now if
the collectives exist and they really feel like they want
a high star kid or you, know a big performer
that transfers or, something they might be able, to you,
know come in there with some sort of whatever package
(23:12):
and marketing or whatever else they want to. Do but
the reality is it should be that they're getting compensated
the most from their school based on the revenue. Share
like that's the. Setup that's how this should work moving.
Forward any other model is not really sustainable and it
doesn't really make sense either when you're thinking about. It you,
know is any other athlete getting paid more from their
(23:34):
marketing deal as opposed to what they're making to actually
play their?
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Sport?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
No Maybe Travis. Hunter Maybe Travis. Hunter, maybe well he,
won't he won't once he's the number two. Overall pick, right, correct, right,
right right. Correct, yeah it's it's, sad. MAN i think it's.
Sad there's a lot a lot of moving parts to.
It but, hey he found a place to go play
and he's still going to get some some cash out
(24:01):
of the. SITUATION i don't you know, which it's not
about the, cash right Enjoy.
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(26:10):
a first round. Talent, this by the, way is separate
from any issue anyone has with this. Personality those questions,
exist but lots of teams have made exceptions in that
department in the past to take on guys with special.
Talents the problem seems to be that too many folks
Think sanders.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Lacks those type of.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Gifts SO i mean he's next up on the diondor
hit list because they will pinpoint this and they will
go After Albert, breer especially if he comes out and
he has a good rookie. Season SO i don't know
if this means that he's going to slip past The
New Orleans saints in the first.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Round but here we.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Go more doubt is crept in about the ability Of Shador.
Sanders at this. POINT i can't even keep track of
how many reports there are on draft prospects who entire
career is to determined on which organization isn't such a
disaster that it spoils their chance of being a good
player in the.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
League Que i'll take. It H, Listen i'll say.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
THIS i Think Shador sanders is a, product And i'll
say it's a byproduct because there's a ton of, positive
but there's also enough negative where it impacts the way he's.
Viewed it's probably impacting the way that he is being.
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Evaluated there's just a lot connected to the product of
being the son Of Dion. Sanders AND i think that
they have taken such fearless approaches to how they do
things from the way they start it until, now and
it's a take no prisoner's type of, approach like they
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don't care what people. Think they clearly feel as though
that the criticisms are are you, know they're prepared for.
It they're okay with, it they understand, it and it's
not something that they feel like they're new to based
upon what their father has experienced during his time and now,
they're you, know it being their time the kids turn
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to have at. It but getting this close to the
draft and having you, know the announcement that his jersey
is going to be retired along With Travis hunter who
won The, HEISMAN i just think that there continues to
be maybe WHAT i would, say managing his brand and
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managing him as it applies to making him as attractive
in this draft scenario as you possibly can has gone horribly,
wrong and it could play out in a positive manner
where he plays well wherever it is that he gets drafted.
To it could play out where he gets an opportunity
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to actually go in and learn the system and learn
how to be a pro without having all of the
pressure of being a number, one number, two number three
overall pick in the. Draft and he gets the final
laugh on all of. This but the reality of it
is is that this is nothing. New the scrutiny and
the criticisms that are lobbed towards top prospects going into the,
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draft it's not, new and so for us to be
here With Shador, SANDERS i think there's so much more
that is being, considered even though even though the reports
are being being focused in on the. FIELD i think
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it's a justification in people's minds to be able to
Criticize Shador sanders and not make it sound like it's
a personal attack towards him or a personal attack based
off of how you feel about his. Father BUT i
certainly think that that is what this is all, about
because it's such a large it's such a large scale
(30:16):
on where people fall On Shador sanders from being a
top draft pick prospect talent to not being a top
pick prospect. Talent and what's it based? Upon he has
had his, Success he has done well with what his
opportunities have. Been should the criticisms be as fierce and
(30:39):
as intense as they are going Towards Shadoor? Sanders what
has he really done that would warrant him to be
looked at as a possibility of a problem other than
showing his watch on his, wrists other than.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Being very very perfect time.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Doing his, music you, know whatever it may, be what
have we Really shador doesn't get in trouble off the.
Field we never heard of him getting in trouble off the.
Field so if you're calling his character into you, know
into question as it applies to how will he?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
FIT i think it's purely based off of.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
How you feel his persona comes across to, you and
that in a way is personal if you ask, me
this is turned personal Against Shador sanders and in the
way that he's being.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Reported on AND i don't think that that bringing that
are you bringing?
Speaker 6 (31:33):
Back it is?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Personal, uh IT'S i mean that's something that they made, it,
RIGHT i mean that wasn't that What? Colorado, YEAH i
MEAN i DON'T i think it was year. One.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, yeah it's.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Personal people have made it personal with The sanders, family
AND i can't say it's NOT i hate to say,
it but because they put the target on themselves with
how they do, THINGS i can't say it's not warranted
because that's just how media.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Works, YEAH i, mean, here here's the.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Reality you, Know Travis, hunter no one's gonna ever second,
guess and him getting his number. Retired petro's brought up deon,
figures and the more you look into, that you're kind of, like, oh,
yeah miss that. One like if you were going to
retire a number, two that's probably the one you'd want
to do it, for given his career during his time
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At colorado and even the team's. Success so there is
the harsh reality of that. Comparison now that's not gonna
take away from the records that should do or broke
as a quarterback and the way they've uplifted THE cu,
program but the timing of it, two which you brought, Up.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
LeVar i mean there's other.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Guys Rashaan salam again won The, heisman didn't get his
retire till twenty.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
SEVENTEEN i mean he had to.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Wait so, LOOK i mean my immediate response to that's probably,
LIKE i don't, know you, know After Coach prime, leaves
see you if they're ever gonna go back. There so it's, like,
well you might as well audit them all though there you,
know there's that element of, Things but there's also the
thoughts too as far as and this is probably for
another segment because we're up against, it but as far
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as the evaluation of him as a, prospect And i'll
just be very open about.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
THIS i liked him as the best quarterback in this draft.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Class AND i liked it BECAUSE i think his game
translates to THE nfl level based on his, accuracy based
ON i, think you, know athletically what he can. Do,
now he's not as dynamic of an athlete as Cam
ward and make some of those, plays doesn't have a
strung of an, arm but he can still make all
the throws and he can still do things and layer
throws THAT i feel like is easily, comparable if, not you,
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know better in regards to decision making than even some
of what Cam wore. Did so there's there's elements THAT
i think in his game that can translate really. Well
and maybe he hands up in a better situation because
of where he gets. Drafted maybe that's part of the
brilliance of what they're trying to do with. This BUT
i will say this, TOO i don't think he's hiding
who he. IS i, Mean i'll be real with. You
there's a lot of guys WHO i met through the
(33:59):
dry process that we're trying to hide who they. Were
bad character, guys guys who honestly didn't really work that,
hard and we're trying to put on this facade of
that they were something until they got. Drafted then once
they got, drafted they reverted right back to what they.
WERE i don't think Anything Shador sanders has advertised about
himself is not, genuine is not a window into who he,
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is And i'd much rather have that If i'm a
team and taking On Shador, sanders then having him get
there and all of a sudden you start seeing all this,
Stuff you're, like, wait who is this?
Speaker 6 (34:35):
Guy so to me at.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
LEAST i appreciate the fact that he's been genuine about
who he. Is he's not trying to hide.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
ANYTHING i just don't think that people should underestimate a locker,
room the influence and the power of a locker. Room
AND i don't care what your position. Is When Shador
sanders walks into the locker room of the team that
brings him, on there is going to be at least
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a handful of veterans that are going to have an
impact and an influence on, him whether he likes it or.
Not and that's a, real, like that's very. Real you're.
NOW i Heard Cam newton talking about how he went
into a loser mentality locker room when he got, drafted
and those things had to change, eventually, this, that and the.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Other but let me tell you.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Something when you look at some of the veterans that
are in some of these locker, rooms whether the team
has a losing culture or, not they're. Not just because
you have a losing culture doesn't mean that the players
and the people in those.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Locker rooms are.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Losers there's a lot of other elements that go into
and play a part of why a team suffers and
why a team comes up short and doesn't. Win SO
i just think that we're when people go too far
off into making their judgments off of how will he
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integrate into the locker. Room this is not high, school
this is not. College these are grown ass men that
are all getting paid that some of them have. Families
some of these, guys by the time they're almost, done
their granddads like they're. Old SO i don't think people
need to continue to act as though we need to
handle people with baby gloves in terms of oh my,
(36:24):
gosh like what will he be what will this personality
be like when he gets into the locker? Rooms, like
don't base your judgments off of the. Player if you
think that a players too arrogant or to this or to.
That there's been plenty of players that have arrogance about,
them plenty of players that have exuded the confidence that
That Shador sanders is putting out.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
There it's just how it's.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Perceived abdul has told people the entire, Time i'm the
number one, prospect. PERIOD i should know number. One i'm number.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
One.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
People, well people aren't losing their minds Over abdul declare
that he's the best. Player But Shador sanders says that
he's not a first round draft pick. Material we don't
know if he's even going to go in the top.
Ten we don't even know if he's going to go
in the first. Round, like come, on is.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
It Mike, roch who had that, report seemed to tickle
a little.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Bit he.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
DID i, mean you, know this audience may not be
up on game that you guys were. Playing they don't
read packer blitz dot.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Next, no no they.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
DON'T i think that's a pretty funny. One but this
is a different. Audience so let's move on.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Front you, know you're a little slow on the draw
today or a. Partner why is? That i'm like four
up on? You oh, oh, well because you're. Rested you, know.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
This audience may not know that you haven't been on
camera or ON tv or on. Radio uh for the
let the whole entire. Week so the shows to come
in on the back, end you, KNOW q had to
carry the load for.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
You you. Know coming up next here, though on The
Dan Patrick, show we're going to tell you about somebody
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More than, Everybody, good more Than, Jonas good, Morning, LeVar
good Morning, brady. Guys in case you missed, this a
story out of the world Of, Tennis british tennis Player
Harriet dart was hurt on courtside microphones talking.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Some bs on her.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
Opponent she talked to the umpire and asked the umpire
to please tell the opponent to wear deodorant because she.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Smells can you tell her to where the? Owneran she
smells really? Bad is what she had to.
Speaker 8 (39:32):
Say she ended up losing to her, Opponent Lois, boyson
and it issued apology afterwards On, instagram SAYING i want
to apologize for WHAT i said on the court. Today
it was a heat of the moment comment THAT i truly.
Regret that's not HOW i want to carry, myself AND
i take full. RESPONSIBILITY i have a lot of respect
For lois and how she competed. Today i'll learn from
what from this moving. FORWARD i, mean you have to
issue out that type of.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
You got to issue out that type of a statement
due to somebody's personal had you clearly it's.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
True. Bruh this world is losing, it.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Bruh how often do you tell somebody they smell and
it wasn't? True like why would why would you say
it if it wasn't?
Speaker 4 (40:13):
True if you are that funky where you got where
you gotta say it's disrespectful to the match. Itself you.
Stink i'm not apologizing for. You that could have gave
you a competitive. Edge that's supposed to be a gentleman
and a gentle woman's is a mutually respectful.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Deal why do you smell like?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
That wash your?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Ass how about? That how about you take me into consideration.
Here you're Maybe lois.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Needs to be apologizing for putting you in a position
to have to apologize because people.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
So got the Sensitive there are some people just don't
wash your funky. Ass there are people who prefer just
not to wear, deodorant which is one of the weirdest
Things i've ever. Heard, well they say it because it's
a health. Risk you know it Causes they, say, what.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
You got?
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Options there's aluminum pre, deodorant like there's.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Options, well you got options to be able to play
around people and be around people as.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Well if you choose to be funky and.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Somebody isn't really up for it and want to wants
to be a part of, it you got to be
ready to have those conversations.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Too that's. Fine it's fine if you don't want to
use it for health, purposes that's. Great but if your
lack of.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Saying if your lack of smell is impacting me and
my personal my, health and that's an.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
ISSUE i have a. Rule if you smell electric chair.
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Dang if you, smell you must go to jail a
trial in anything
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You smelly ass guilty
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on this Thursday morning.
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How are we everybody?
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You know?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Bad news beardness travels. It travels from Tom apparently, so apparently,
you know bad news bears had knows no limits or
no boundaries. You know, it just shows up where it
shows up.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
It was Lee's birthday a couple of days ago, and
I think that extended into the next stuff forty eight hours.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I mean, it's just interesting that it's always the usual,
like our voices are connected to it, our back ends
connects like we're.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
The bad news. But what are you getting at? I mean,
I just told.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You and you gotta you can't.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It can't be anything other than what you are. Are
you saying we are the playing games Fox Sports?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
In my mind, I was sitting there like it's a
great segue into playing games.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I mean, but you know, I don't know. In the end,
the Bad News Beers did end up winning, so there's that,
you know, But god, dang, they was the bad News
Beers all the way up to it. Yeah. Yeah, a
lot of whiffs before then, a lot of strikeout shouts
out to Dallas. They won something. Huh, they did some thing.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Hey, they look good, man, I mean, I know people
are maybe sleeping on them, but they look good. I
could see them being sneakily kind of going on a
little bit of a run.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
You think.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, the West, Yeah yeah, Anthony Davis can play. The
problem is how for how long?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Look, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
If he's healthy and Clay some of the other pieces
they have on that team. Man, they've got some guys
who've been able to navigate through the playoffs and have
won championships before. Man, I'm telling you that could be
a dangerous combination.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, I doubt it that one. Ain't going that that's
going to be a short lived you know. It's because
it's short lived. Story is because it's Dallas. No, it's
because the West is pretty loaded, man, and they're just
not going to be able to run that one. I
don't see it. I mean, it's possible, clearly, I'm not
I'm not. I'm not an expert. So Q could come
(02:57):
out being you know, correct on it. But I don't
see it though. I just think that if you're going
to look at one of the playing teams out of
the West again, I'm I'm mistaking my I'm putting my
ten toes down on the mountain, on the hill of
the Golden State Warriors. That's That's what I'm gonna do
out of the play in teams.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
But they would have to play each other for a while.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So yeah, well, I don't see that being a hit
to hit. I'm not saying that way. I'm just saying
the team that I could see making a run out
of the playing games would be Golden State.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It's hard for me to get excited about playing playing tournaments,
and it just look to me the NBA playoffs, for
the most part, we've had a couple of you know,
lower seeded eight and seven teams that have that have
beaten a one or a two seed a few times
in the history of the postseason. It feels like the playoffs,
outside of a four or five matchup and occasional six',
(03:51):
three doesn't start until the second.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
ROUND i, mean these seven.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Game series with your one eights and your two, Sevens it's, like,
dude can we speed this up or at least make
it more, intriguing make them a three game, series so
at least if the lower seed gets, one you put
everybody else on high alert that there could be an.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Upset BUT i just.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
CAN'T i can't get excited about it until the second
round for the most, part is what it.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Is that's the way it. Goes so.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Congratulations we'll find out what the final matchups are going
to be after these next couple of games get, going
and then we can all look forward, to you, know
hopefully getting past his first round quick get to the second,
round and then we can get to the teams that
are actual title contenders as opposed to some of these playing.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Teams but.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
There is the discussion that is still going, on but
apparently it's coming to an. End in the world of.
Sports nico has made a. Decision Not Nico, harrison all,
right not. Him every Time i'm going to try this out, Again,
NIKO i stop saying. It avaam has, apparently according to.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The to rename. Him i'm leaving, you.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And for some strange, REASON i could say that way
easier than what the real way of.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Saying he is reportedly is going to be A Ucla.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Bruin and apparently this according To Colin, cowherd who sent
this tweet out, yesterday that the family is still saying this.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Is not about.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Money it had nothing to do with. Money it was
all about The Tennessee volunteers. Offense and so he finds
himself reportedly In. Westwood he will be A Ucla. Bruin
but again it's got nothing to do with money at all,
whatsoever and definitely not the four million dollars that was
reported they were asking for when he was making two
million a change already With tennessee set for this upcoming,
(05:52):
Year so.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
He's going to play for? Free is that what you're?
Saying it's going to go there and be closer.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
To home and all.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
That it's not money just so everybody, knows ye playing for,
free but he is playing for less money and the
taxes are.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Higher so there's. That, yeah it.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Was it was a losing proposition all the way. Around
not only would he made more money to your point
too at the, taxes but now he's in a different,
system not on a team that's as. TALENTED i, mean
if you look At tennessee last, year which qualified for
The College Football, playoff and by the, way mind, you
and then this is not to be a slight On Niko,
(06:27):
iamaliava but there's been a string of quarterbacks who have got,
drafted who've been put up big numbers.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
There he did not play that.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Well that was a defensive led, team that was a
team that could tote the rock. TOO i would, say
if you're looking at one of the weaker parts of their,
team it was the inconsistency in the passing. Game so
not only are there those kind of struggles from, that
but now he goes to a lesser, team he's not
getting paid as, much and he's gonna be playing having
an uphill, battle playing in a conference where you, know
(06:56):
at least they were one of the top teams in THE.
Sec that's not the case FOR. Ucla you, know they
kind of feel at times like they're a bit of a.
Doormat now they turn things around second half of last,
season but it's going to be an uphill battle in
so many different ways for, him and it's. Unfortunate and
whether or not his his, team whether it's his, family
whether it's his, agent wants to admit. It this was
(07:18):
an absolute disaster and it's probably a good thing for
a lot of other players out there in college football
that can hopefully appreciate the opportunities they've, gotten understand that
the grass is not always, greener and try to you,
know what's the saying that, levars you, know be where
your feet are or stand where your fet a.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Or whatever something to that. Effect, yeah be. Present being
present is being where your feet. Are, yeah that's. YEAH
i mean why try to be somewhere where you're not
be at where your feet. At be at where your feet. At,
see that's what happens when you take time, off you
know WHAT i? Mean you get rusky with your delivery
talking about how is? Smooth then they sound a little bit.
(07:57):
Capta that's not a real.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Thing all.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Right, no All i'm gonna say Is i'm happy for
Coach foster because while people may rain down on The
Nico i'm leaving you, parade you, know on his, camp
the kid can play, ball and people can have their
opinions about him and how good and how well he
(08:21):
can play, Ball but the guy can play Some he
can play, football and he was dealing at times last
year For tennessee and probably would have had another good,
year good season under them this season if he were
still to be. There, now you go into a program
where they they have needed to be able to get
(08:42):
a break in order to have the opportunity to get
a player of his, caliber you, know wanting to come
there and play a position of such the magnitude of
what the quarterback's position. Is, so you, know opportunity created
an or circumstance that's created an opportunity for u c L.
(09:03):
A u c L a is not a major player
in the NI l. Space you're not going to get
u c L a for academic, purposes just as well
as just available funding for NI l for. Football you're
just not going to get elite level, offers elite level.
Money in, fact even prior to N I L you're
(09:24):
not going to get A you're you're only going to
get a certain level of player because of the academic
requirements that they place on the guys that they bring in.
There so it's like kind of like guys go TO
usc that don't go to u c L. A and
if you understand like the politics of what goes on
at u c L, a you'd understand like it's kind
(09:45):
of like they run things almost like A Ivy league
type level school. Academically SO i think it's a great
gift For Deshaun. WATSON i don't, know fossil, student this Is. Deshaun,
geez he's where AM i right? Now thank you for
that save QU i think it's a great gift for
(10:09):
Coach foster and damn.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Keep him away from the towns.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
To worry.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
About, yeah it, does H BUT i think this is
a great gift for u c L. A and if
they were going to be a pretty good team going
into this, SEASON i think you can actually, say based
upon the circumstances that That Nico i'm leaving you is
is living under. NOW i think they're gonna get his
(10:43):
best version because he's going to be on you, know
he's going to be on guard to everything that's taking.
Place there's gonna be a lot of, criticism a lot of,
scrutiny a lot of coverage that comes his way because
what he did kind of transcends just playing the. Game
it has open in the conversation two larger pieces of
what's going on in college football and sports all. Together
(11:05):
SO i think that it's a it's an advantageous opportunity
For nico to try to redeem himself and maybe repair
his image with what's taking place as of. Late and
it's a great opportunity FOR ucla to be a better
program with what would be considered to be a top
elite type of quarterback on their on their. Roster and
(11:29):
it's not going to cost him a whole. Lot, apparently,
well they got. It they got him on the. Cheap
they got it was like two hundred and fifty less
or something like.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That they got him on a discount. Level what was
it like.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Almost, well the number of the FIGURE i saw was
one point seventy five and he was scheduled to make
two point.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Six so he's almost a million sure of what he
would have.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Made and that's not including to your earlier point. Taxes
by the, Way nico was like maybe top ten in
THE sec last, year like as far as yards and all. That,
again going back to the, point you really didn't play overly,
Well now he's joining in an offense IN ucla that
was one hundred and twenty sixth in scoring last.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Year there were one hundred and seventh in the country
in sacks. Allowed so the protection AND i know that
was like an.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
ISSUE i think that came up in some of these reports,
too is, that, hey it's not AN nfl, Systems, like,
well you knew that.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
On your way.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
In Joe milton got, Drafted Hendon hooker got. Drafted there's
been other quarterbacks who've gone To tennessee and gotten. Drafted
so it's not like that's held against those. Quarterbacks if
that was your concern or that's part of the rationale
for why you, Left you've gotten guys to THE nfl
level and they've put up good. Stats and mind, you
(12:41):
there's plenty of other quarterbacks that have played in systems
that AREN'T nfl systems and have also gotten. Drafted so
if that was part of the, rationale it doesn't make any.
Sense and again going back to the initial. Point he
hasn't even performed to a point where you felt confident
about him to be able to go somewhere, else learn
a new, system learn new, chemistry develop all those, things
(13:03):
and now he's doing it with lesser pieces around him
in a league that arguably you'd say they're at at
the bottom of the league or one of the teams
at the. Bottom SO i just FEEL i feel bad
for the young man because at some point you've got
to make your own decisions in, life and this is
one WHERE i don't know who was in his, ear
AND i know that someone made some anonymous report or
(13:25):
someone close to the family WHATEVER i believe On Front Office,
sports which if that's even, Credible but the truth of
the matter is he should have stood up and, Said i'm,
good like my payday is coming after this year WHEN
i go to THE. Nfl and unfortunately now it's, like
we'll see how this year. Goes but maybe he's a
couple of years now from leaving and be able to
go to get draft in THE. Nfl who knows how
(13:46):
this whole thing's gonna.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Shakeout so he's in a worse, situation and he took
what like a seven hundred thousand dollars pay cut in
less than a, week and now he's Got, yeah now
he's just got to kind of it feels like with anything,
new there's got to be something that's the example of
what not to, do and he's the example of what
not to. Do like he's the one that all right,
(14:09):
now everybody kind of has an. Understanding AND i do
wonder if there's probably coaches and programs that are that
are pointing to, this going, hey, guys just so you,
know like this is how things could turn really badly for.
You you could go from AN sec quarterback and at
a great program who was a playoff team a year ago.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
TO ucla like.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
That this is limited to such a small minute number
of players for this to even apply. To this is
not going to apply to anyone else but qbs at
major major universities and. Receivers that's about. It that's about.
(14:52):
It that's who this is limited. To you're not going
to see it take place with anybody. Else you could
be as gifted a football player on the defensive side
of the, ball not going to. Happen you could be
as gifted as you'd like to be on the offensive
line it's not going to happen running, back same, thing tight,
end forget about. It if you're quarterback at AN sec,
(15:13):
school A big ten, school maybe in some instances AN acc,
school you have the ability to possibly push the envelope
on these types of. Conversations not saying that negotiations don't
exist for the other.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Positions it's just not the.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Same AND i think one thing that we got to
make sure we're clear on in this, scenario AND i
was listening To kurt Herb street and what he had
to say ABOUT nil With pat, McAfee AND i thought
it was very very well put in thought, out is
that this is turning into negotiations against schools and. Players
(15:55):
in this, instance you're looking At nico getting into a
a negotiation Between tennessee and himself when in, REALITY nil
is in place for you to benefit with your, name your,
image and your. Likeness that's that's getting money through your.
(16:16):
Collective that's that's doing, appearances that's that's MAKING i, Mean
i'm just saying that's that's what it.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Was, well this is WHY i wouldn't include the collectives
is part of. IT i think the collectives are part
of the issue because the. Collectives by and, large how
they've operated are groups of boosters who are essentially taking
private money and being able, to you, know help compensate
(16:42):
and create opportunities for players and that in that, fashion
and they're doing it for the university because there wasn't
pay for plash sure or pay to, play which the
truth is is, like that's what it's always been since
it's been, enacted and even before, that when teams and
boosters are paying kids under the.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Table it's all aways been paid to.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Play, like if we want to take anil step, further
what's always bothered me about it is if you're not,
playing you're not getting. Paid so even if you want
to try to, say, well, oh it's really about marketing, dollars,
Right it's really about those opportunities to promote brands or do,
commercials or do social media postings and do appearances and all.
(17:21):
That does anyone care about you if you're not, playing
if you're not out there, performing if you're not one
of the best. Players, No, so in, essence it's always
really been about getting paid because you. Play but we
we created this world in which we had to create
loopholes and other ways in which we could find ways
(17:42):
of you, know getting players money that was within the
rules of you know what was passed by The Supreme.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Court i've said this and will always say. THIS nil
has never been.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Sustainable the way it was created and the way it's
been implemented wasn't the initial. Purpose but the problem with
the initial purposes you're kind of putting the cart before the.
Horse it always should have been a rev. Share it
always should have been THE tv money that these conferences
and schools were getting were shared with those student athletes
who are the ones actually earning. It and then you
(18:15):
could have IMPLEMENTED nil and you could have, said these
marketing dollars from name your apparel, company under, Armor, nike
whoever it's, created or name, whatever a sports, dring whatever
else it, is then that comes as part of, it
because that's the professional. Model look at THE, nfl look
at THE, nba look at all these other professional. Leagues
you are paid by your, organization and then you have
(18:39):
all that as kind of your ancillary income that comes
off of.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
That but don't get it. Twisted it is about your
ability to.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Play and that's one of the reasons, why like it's
it's always been backwards it's never made, sense and it's
why it's been a little bit of a chaotic mess.
Too is the essence of why we're compensating student athletes
in the first. Place it's all about their. Performance it's
all about their. Play, well if that's the, case then
make it a structure that actually makes sense and it's.
(19:07):
Lasting and you have examples of that at every professional.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
LEVEL i just, THINK i, mean it's. Funny, coincidentally we
were going over Man man's you know situation just. Yesterday
What man so like three contracts bro three contracts that
you got to go, through three separate entities of contracts
(19:32):
that you have to go through as it applies to
these nil well not even just an, il but just
the way the kids are. Compensated there's like three different
agreements and and one is the, collective you, know another
is this. Entity another is the school. Entity and it's
(19:53):
interesting to, me like looking at how all of it is.
Structured are you really suppor to point and aim your
frustration or YOUR i guess what your demands, are what
your expectations are to be compensated at the team, itself
at the head, coach at at you, know At tennessee
(20:17):
or wherever it is that you're. At because to, me
again it comes back down to with these blurred lines
of what this is all representation of what DOES nil
really Represent because at the end of the, day if
we're talking, apples if it's an apples the apples, conversation
then you got to talk about compensating the. Player like
(20:38):
you just, said you're paying based off of what you're
generating at off of THE tv deals and stuff like.
That there's no there's nothing that comes out, that like
in a pro contract that talks about, name image and.
Likeness you do that with The Players. Association you sign
a group license and agreement with The Players. Association that's
how you leverage your, name image and. Likeness it's a
(21:00):
different entity. Altogether so the blurred lines that have been
created AND i think that are exposed here in this
situation in, particular there's no reason for them for him
to have taken a hard line stance Like i'm not,
Practicing i'm not coming unless y'all pay me more. Money,
sure the collectives are in contact with the, university and
(21:23):
the universities are in contact with the, collectives and this
is a way for them to be able to compensate the,
players but, ultimately if we're looking at it for the
true essence of WHAT nil has created as it applies to,
today right, now you're monetizing your the value of your,
name your, image and your. Likeness so even if it's
(21:45):
coming from a collective in the sense of we're able
to pay them to be a part of our, team
but you're going to do x amount of, Appearances you're
going to do, signings you're going to do things that
support what we're doing to build this. Program bottom line
is is that there needs to be a separation and
there needs to be an understanding of what the business
(22:06):
of what you are as a player to the university
and what you are as an entity and a. Brand
all of it's all on its. Own as in a,
name your, image and your, likeness there needs to be
a very clear understanding and determination of or OR i
guess not, determination but description of what each one of those.
(22:29):
Represent BECAUSE i think this right, here this clearly shows
that there is not a separation and and and there's
how do you how do you read in between the
lines of where the collectives and how you're getting compensated
for your, name image and likeness runs and bleeds into
who you are as an athlete and a student at
(22:50):
the university that you're.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
At it's such the lion's, share by the, way will
come from the revenue. Share that's where most of the
kids will make the majority of the. Money, now if
the collectives exist and they really feel like they want
a high star kid or you, know a big performer
that transfers or, something they might be able, to you,
know come in there with some sort of whatever package
(23:12):
and marketing or whatever else they want to. Do but
the reality is it should be that they're getting compensated
the most from their school based on the revenue. Share
like that's the. Setup that's how this should work moving.
Forward any other model is not really sustainable and it
doesn't really make sense either when you're thinking about. It you,
know is any other athlete getting paid more from their
(23:34):
marketing deal as opposed to what they're making to actually
play their?
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Sport?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
No Maybe Travis. Hunter Maybe Travis. Hunter, maybe well he,
won't he won't once he's the number two. Overall pick, right, correct, right,
right right. Correct, yeah it's it's, sad. MAN i think it's.
Sad there's a lot a lot of moving parts to.
It but, hey he found a place to go play
and he's still going to get some some cash out
(24:01):
of the. SITUATION i don't you know, which it's not
about the, cash right Enjoy.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
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Again that's over fifteen minutes from now here on THE
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i'll tell You we're going to hear From Albert breer
coming up later on in the. Show But Albert breer
wrote this About Shador sanders, Quote i'm having a really
hard time finding coaches or scouts who Believe sanders is
(26:10):
a first round. Talent, this by the, way is separate
from any issue anyone has with this. Personality those questions,
exist but lots of teams have made exceptions in that
department in the past to take on guys with special.
Talents the problem seems to be that too many folks
Think sanders.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Lacks those type of.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Gifts SO i mean he's next up on the diondor
hit list because they will pinpoint this and they will
go After Albert, breer especially if he comes out and
he has a good rookie. Season SO i don't know
if this means that he's going to slip past The
New Orleans saints in the first.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Round but here we.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Go more doubt is crept in about the ability Of Shador.
Sanders at this. POINT i can't even keep track of
how many reports there are on draft prospects who entire
career is to determined on which organization isn't such a
disaster that it spoils their chance of being a good
player in the.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
League Que i'll take. It H, Listen i'll say.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
THIS i Think Shador sanders is a, product And i'll
say it's a byproduct because there's a ton of, positive
but there's also enough negative where it impacts the way he's.
Viewed it's probably impacting the way that he is being.
(27:36):
Evaluated there's just a lot connected to the product of
being the son Of Dion. Sanders AND i think that
they have taken such fearless approaches to how they do
things from the way they start it until, now and
it's a take no prisoner's type of, approach like they
(27:58):
don't care what people. Think they clearly feel as though
that the criticisms are are you, know they're prepared for.
It they're okay with, it they understand, it and it's
not something that they feel like they're new to based
upon what their father has experienced during his time and now,
they're you, know it being their time the kids turn
(28:23):
to have at. It but getting this close to the
draft and having you, know the announcement that his jersey
is going to be retired along With Travis hunter who
won The, HEISMAN i just think that there continues to
be maybe WHAT i would, say managing his brand and
(28:46):
managing him as it applies to making him as attractive
in this draft scenario as you possibly can has gone horribly,
wrong and it could play out in a positive manner
where he plays well wherever it is that he gets drafted.
To it could play out where he gets an opportunity
(29:06):
to actually go in and learn the system and learn
how to be a pro without having all of the
pressure of being a number, one number, two number three
overall pick in the. Draft and he gets the final
laugh on all of. This but the reality of it
is is that this is nothing. New the scrutiny and
the criticisms that are lobbed towards top prospects going into the,
(29:30):
draft it's not, new and so for us to be
here With Shador, SANDERS i think there's so much more
that is being, considered even though even though the reports
are being being focused in on the. FIELD i think
(29:53):
it's a justification in people's minds to be able to
Criticize Shador sanders and not make it sound like it's
a personal attack towards him or a personal attack based
off of how you feel about his. Father BUT i
certainly think that that is what this is all, about
because it's such a large it's such a large scale
(30:16):
on where people fall On Shador sanders from being a
top draft pick prospect talent to not being a top
pick prospect. Talent and what's it based? Upon he has
had his, Success he has done well with what his
opportunities have. Been should the criticisms be as fierce and
(30:39):
as intense as they are going Towards Shadoor? Sanders what
has he really done that would warrant him to be
looked at as a possibility of a problem other than
showing his watch on his, wrists other than.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Being very very perfect time.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Doing his, music you, know whatever it may, be what
have we Really shador doesn't get in trouble off the.
Field we never heard of him getting in trouble off the.
Field so if you're calling his character into you, know
into question as it applies to how will he?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
FIT i think it's purely based off of.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
How you feel his persona comes across to, you and
that in a way is personal if you ask, me
this is turned personal Against Shador sanders and in the
way that he's being.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Reported on AND i don't think that that bringing that
are you bringing?
Speaker 6 (31:33):
Back it is?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Personal, uh IT'S i mean that's something that they made, it,
RIGHT i mean that wasn't that What? Colorado, YEAH i
MEAN i DON'T i think it was year. One.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, yeah it's.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Personal people have made it personal with The sanders, family
AND i can't say it's NOT i hate to say,
it but because they put the target on themselves with
how they do, THINGS i can't say it's not warranted
because that's just how media.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Works, YEAH i, mean, here here's the.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Reality you, Know Travis, hunter no one's gonna ever second,
guess and him getting his number. Retired petro's brought up deon,
figures and the more you look into, that you're kind of, like, oh,
yeah miss that. One like if you were going to
retire a number, two that's probably the one you'd want
to do it, for given his career during his time
(32:22):
At colorado and even the team's. Success so there is
the harsh reality of that. Comparison now that's not gonna
take away from the records that should do or broke
as a quarterback and the way they've uplifted THE cu,
program but the timing of it, two which you brought, Up.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
LeVar i mean there's other.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Guys Rashaan salam again won The, heisman didn't get his
retire till twenty.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
SEVENTEEN i mean he had to.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Wait so, LOOK i mean my immediate response to that's probably,
LIKE i don't, know you, know After Coach prime, leaves
see you if they're ever gonna go back. There so it's, like,
well you might as well audit them all though there you,
know there's that element of, Things but there's also the
thoughts too as far as and this is probably for
another segment because we're up against, it but as far
(33:08):
as the evaluation of him as a, prospect And i'll
just be very open about.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
THIS i liked him as the best quarterback in this draft.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Class AND i liked it BECAUSE i think his game
translates to THE nfl level based on his, accuracy based
ON i, think you, know athletically what he can. Do,
now he's not as dynamic of an athlete as Cam
ward and make some of those, plays doesn't have a
strung of an, arm but he can still make all
the throws and he can still do things and layer
throws THAT i feel like is easily, comparable if, not you,
(33:38):
know better in regards to decision making than even some
of what Cam wore. Did so there's there's elements THAT
i think in his game that can translate really. Well
and maybe he hands up in a better situation because
of where he gets. Drafted maybe that's part of the
brilliance of what they're trying to do with. This BUT
i will say this, TOO i don't think he's hiding
who he. IS i, Mean i'll be real with. You
there's a lot of guys WHO i met through the
(33:59):
dry process that we're trying to hide who they. Were
bad character, guys guys who honestly didn't really work that,
hard and we're trying to put on this facade of
that they were something until they got. Drafted then once
they got, drafted they reverted right back to what they.
WERE i don't think Anything Shador sanders has advertised about
himself is not, genuine is not a window into who he,
(34:25):
is And i'd much rather have that If i'm a
team and taking On Shador, sanders then having him get
there and all of a sudden you start seeing all this,
Stuff you're, like, wait who is this?
Speaker 6 (34:35):
Guy so to me at.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
LEAST i appreciate the fact that he's been genuine about
who he. Is he's not trying to hide.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
ANYTHING i just don't think that people should underestimate a locker,
room the influence and the power of a locker. Room
AND i don't care what your position. Is When Shador
sanders walks into the locker room of the team that
brings him, on there is going to be at least
(35:03):
a handful of veterans that are going to have an
impact and an influence on, him whether he likes it or.
Not and that's a, real, like that's very. Real you're.
NOW i Heard Cam newton talking about how he went
into a loser mentality locker room when he got, drafted
and those things had to change, eventually, this, that and the.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Other but let me tell you.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Something when you look at some of the veterans that
are in some of these locker, rooms whether the team
has a losing culture or, not they're. Not just because
you have a losing culture doesn't mean that the players
and the people in those.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Locker rooms are.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Losers there's a lot of other elements that go into
and play a part of why a team suffers and
why a team comes up short and doesn't. Win SO
i just think that we're when people go too far
off into making their judgments off of how will he
(36:02):
integrate into the locker. Room this is not high, school
this is not. College these are grown ass men that
are all getting paid that some of them have. Families
some of these, guys by the time they're almost, done
their granddads like they're. Old SO i don't think people
need to continue to act as though we need to
handle people with baby gloves in terms of oh my,
(36:24):
gosh like what will he be what will this personality
be like when he gets into the locker? Rooms, like
don't base your judgments off of the. Player if you
think that a players too arrogant or to this or to.
That there's been plenty of players that have arrogance about,
them plenty of players that have exuded the confidence that
That Shador sanders is putting out.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
There it's just how it's.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Perceived abdul has told people the entire, Time i'm the
number one, prospect. PERIOD i should know number. One i'm number.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
One.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
People, well people aren't losing their minds Over abdul declare
that he's the best. Player But Shador sanders says that
he's not a first round draft pick. Material we don't
know if he's even going to go in the top.
Ten we don't even know if he's going to go
in the first. Round, like come, on is.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
It Mike, roch who had that, report seemed to tickle
a little.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Bit he.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
DID i, mean you, know this audience may not be
up on game that you guys were. Playing they don't
read packer blitz dot.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Next, no no they.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
DON'T i think that's a pretty funny. One but this
is a different. Audience so let's move on.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Front you, know you're a little slow on the draw
today or a. Partner why is? That i'm like four
up on? You oh, oh, well because you're. Rested you, know.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
This audience may not know that you haven't been on
camera or ON tv or on. Radio uh for the
let the whole entire. Week so the shows to come
in on the back, end you, KNOW q had to
carry the load for.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
You you. Know coming up next here, though on The
Dan Patrick, show we're going to tell you about somebody
who's having to apologize for being brutally.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
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Speaker 8 (39:06):
More than, Everybody, good more Than, Jonas good, Morning, LeVar
good Morning, brady. Guys in case you missed, this a
story out of the world Of, Tennis british tennis Player
Harriet dart was hurt on courtside microphones talking.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Some bs on her.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
Opponent she talked to the umpire and asked the umpire
to please tell the opponent to wear deodorant because she.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Smells can you tell her to where the? Owneran she
smells really? Bad is what she had to.
Speaker 8 (39:32):
Say she ended up losing to her, Opponent Lois, boyson
and it issued apology afterwards On, instagram SAYING i want
to apologize for WHAT i said on the court. Today
it was a heat of the moment comment THAT i truly.
Regret that's not HOW i want to carry, myself AND
i take full. RESPONSIBILITY i have a lot of respect
For lois and how she competed. Today i'll learn from
what from this moving. FORWARD i, mean you have to
issue out that type of.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
You got to issue out that type of a statement
due to somebody's personal had you clearly it's.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
True. Bruh this world is losing, it.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Bruh how often do you tell somebody they smell and
it wasn't? True like why would why would you say
it if it wasn't?
Speaker 4 (40:13):
True if you are that funky where you got where
you gotta say it's disrespectful to the match. Itself you.
Stink i'm not apologizing for. You that could have gave
you a competitive. Edge that's supposed to be a gentleman
and a gentle woman's is a mutually respectful.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Deal why do you smell like?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
That wash your?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Ass how about? That how about you take me into consideration.
Here you're Maybe lois.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Needs to be apologizing for putting you in a position
to have to apologize because people.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
So got the Sensitive there are some people just don't
wash your funky. Ass there are people who prefer just
not to wear, deodorant which is one of the weirdest
Things i've ever. Heard, well they say it because it's
a health. Risk you know it Causes they, say, what.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
You got?
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Options there's aluminum pre, deodorant like there's.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Options, well you got options to be able to play
around people and be around people as.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Well if you choose to be funky and.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Somebody isn't really up for it and want to wants
to be a part of, it you got to be
ready to have those conversations.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Too that's. Fine it's fine if you don't want to
use it for health, purposes that's. Great but if your
lack of.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Saying if your lack of smell is impacting me and
my personal my, health and that's an.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
ISSUE i have a. Rule if you smell electric chair.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Dang if you, smell you must go to jail a
trial in anything
Speaker 3 (42:02):
You smelly ass guilty
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