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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. He's LeVar
Anson on Brady Quinn. No Jonas Knox, as you just heard.
He'll be back tomorrow, though again our show will be
in a different time slob We will be doing the
Dan Patrick Show for the next two days, so from
nine am to twelve pm Eastern Time. Talked about the
New York Giants yesterday in regards to their workout with
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the Shador Sanders being late in the process and what
that may mean for the New York Giants. We've got
a little bit more context as the New York Giants
held private workouts this week for three quarterback prospects in
the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, shod Door Sanders being
one of them, but also Jaln Milroe, quarterback from Alabama,
and Tyler Shuck, the seven year college player college quarterback,
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most recently from Louisville, but spent some time at Oregon, spent.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Some time at Texas Tech.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
However, these these workouts, they highlight maybe a question as
to what the New York Giants are doing. I don't
know that anyone looks at Jaylen Milroe as a guy
that the New York Giants would take at number three,
and surely not Tyler Shuck. However, yesterday Diana Rossini came
out with a report from one NFL head coached that
actually was able to off, you know, on the record,
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but anonymously say he likes Tyler Schuck the best of
anyone in this quarterback class. So, now that you've got
a little more context into what's going on, do you
kind of buy the theory I threw out yesterday LeVar
that maybe the Giants trade back from number three with
a team that wants Abdul Carter, and they put themselves
in a spot to either take best player available or
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potentially whether it's Shador Sanders, Jaln Milroe, or Tyler Shuck
maybe if it's in the back end of the first
round or early in the second round.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I think that's continued to be a debate going into
to this year's draft, and it opens the door for
those types of conversations. I don't know definitively obviously what
the Giants are thinking. I would assume, like what you know,
Prisco said on the show, that they're doing it because
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they really are trying to figure out if they want
to take him at three versus trade out of it
and see what they can do later on in terms
of you know, whoever that first pick is, and if
you were to get a quarterback later on in the draft.
But I will say to your point my kind of
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thought process on hearing about you know, different quarterbacks that
are mentioned that you also have to take into consideration
that if you're looking at two guys that are the
top of the group, which is the most important skill
group or position group in the game, at the quarterbacks position,
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and you're not blown away, like totally blown away by
the guys that you're looking at being those top guys,
then why wouldn't you take a chance. Why wouldn't you
try to move back, take a chance, get more value
out of what it is that you're doing with your team.
I think you know, the Giants could use a little
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bit more help, and if you can find ways to
address it through the draft, then you do that. Because
if you're able to put together, you know, a nice
draft class, and then you're able to do it a
couple times in the road, Like you look at what
they're doing in Philadelphia. I mean, they've been able to
string together some really fine drafts like consecutively, and once
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you do that, you could potentially have a super Bowl
bound team that most of those guys are still on
rookie contracts. Now, I don't know how that looks in
terms of once they come off of those contracts. I
guess you would assume that the best approach is you
continue to have those consecutive draft classes continuing forward, so
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that some of those guys are able to go, and
some of the guys that you want to resign back,
you resign them back, but you're replacing them with.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Quality guys out of the draft.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Point I'm making is, if you're not all the way
sold on what your prospect is at a pick as
high as number three, and you feel as though you
can get someone that's comparable that maybe you know being
talked about more.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Then you know that's I don't see how.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
That's a miss, especially if you're not all the ways
sold on the fact that if we spend this pick
on this particular skill position at this point in the draft,
how much of a chance are are we taking that
it's a miss. So, and they got free agents. They
pulled a free agent in and Russell Wilson, and they
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also pulled Jameis Winston in, which are two guys that
could possibly start. So maybe you feel like you can
take a chance on getting a guy later in the
draft by trading out of that position. But I would
ultimately say I think that they would do a late
workout like that to say I need to put my
eyes on him one more time. I want to see
him work out. I want to see how he goes
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on the board, I want to see how he breaks
down the film. I want to have some time with
him out and see what his personality traits are like.
Do we like him as a person, does he acclimate
well like with us? Do we mix well with him?
Before we make our final decision on what we're going
to do.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, and look they're doing this with three other you know,
three quarterbacks, right, So I think there's a there's a
thought at least in my mind, that they've been contacted
about trading out of the spot. And so because obviously
if you're staying in the spot, you'd be thinking like,
are you going to take a quarterback at that spot?
But this is where I challenge what Pete Priscot talked
about yesterday, and the fact that if you want to stay,
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if you're Joe Shane and he feels like, oh, I
just draft a rookie quarterback, well, the reality is you
have two veterans there and one in which in Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
That the way he's at least played.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Last year in Pittsburgh and even the year prior's final
year in Denver, Giants fans would have deaf would have
taken that as far as quarterback play and what he
was able to produce in those games. That's kind of
where they've been in regards to quarterback play. So the
reality for Joe Shane and Brian Dable is if there's
pressure on them to win and win now well, drafting
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a rookie quarterback doesn't save you. There's countless examples of
that where quarterbacks get drafted in there, you know, and
then the rookie year and their head coach that drafts
them's gone.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So that's not a solution.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
The solutions winning, and what gives you a better chance
of winning is having a veteran quarterback who's not going
to make those rookie mistakes. So it's one of the
reasons why I don't buy the notion that at three
they're going to take a quarterback. I think they're more
looking at now saying if Abdul Carter is the number
one overall prospect in most people's minds, yet Cleveland doesn't
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need him or doesn't see him with that at two
and Cam Woard's going number one. Because of the premium
on the quarterback position, We're going to find some trade partners,
and in reality, if you look at our roster, we
don't have a need for services. We've got Brian Burns
on one side, who's a former first round pick that
we traded for. We have Kevon Thibodau on the other side,
was a first round pick that's also been the guy.
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So it doesn't really make sense for us, but it
could make sense depending on who's there for someone else.
And again, this is assuming that Abdul Carter doesn't go
somewhere in the first couple of picks, right, So if
that's the case, and then you go and then you
go back and look at what the Giants currently have.
They have the third overall pick, the thirty fourth overall
pick in the second round, the sixty fifth overall pick
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in the third round, and they got a Compenstory third
round pick that's number ninety nine in the third round.
So you have four picks in the top one hundred.
There's a chance that you might find value in one
of these quarterbacks if they slide to one of those spots,
whether it's Jalen Milroe, Tyler Shuck, or even trading back
up utilizing that draft capital you get from trading back
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at number three, along with potentially where you sit in
the second round with that pick number thirty four to
get back up into the first round and taking one
of those rookie quarterbacks. Now what stands out the most
to me, because the betting odds have it at three
and a half quarterbacks, I believe taken in the first round.
Lee look up on DraftKings if you will, you can
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keep me honest on that. But I believe that over
under set at three and a half. And that's fair
because it's assumed that cam Ward goes one and at
some point we see Jackson, Dart, Schad or Sanders go
off the board to what teams.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The fourth quarterback is what I find the most interesting
because Jalen Milroe has gotten a lot of buzz. The
Pittsburgh Steelers have been a team that has been linked
to him. If they bring in Aaron Rodgers to also
have someone like Jalen Milroe there who could sit and watch,
learn and develop because of just his raw talent and
nobility and what his stealing might be. But Tyler Shuck
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is the other one that has started to make the waves.
And again we heard Diana Rassini say yesterday she had
an anonymous head coach say that he likes Tyler Shuck
the best out of all the quarterbacks in next draft class,
including Cam Wharton, which brings on another conversation that you've
got a quarterback who is in college football for seven years,
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he's twenty five years old, and look I don't have
a problem with that. He's taken advantage of his opportunity,
but it does beg the question, well, yeah, you know,
if you're not getting your opportunity at the Oregon or
Texas Tech, you take us somewhere else. And look, he
played pretty he played pretty well last year at Louisville,
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and Jeff Bron their head coach. He's been known for
really developing quarterbacks. I think you know, he played in
the NFL, He's a former quarterback. I think he sees
the game from that perspective as a head coach and
really helps prepare the quarterbacks that he trains there in Louisville, UH,
for the next level, as far as what he asks
of them and what he challenges them to do, and
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even their their foot footwork and fundamentals. Like I'm a
big Jeff Bron fan, So there's all those elements too.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think why.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think there's a lot of NFL talent evaluators who
buy into when you see a quarterback come from Louisville,
you know they're going to do the right things. You
know they're going to be trained to do what Jeff
Broms asked them to do and He's got this wealth
of experience at the college level, and he does have
a good arm. He is a good enough athlete. So
there's a lot of things that you like about Tyler Shuck.
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What concerns me is if he was good enough and
if you know, you've got again an NFL head coach
that's saying this odd take him first off? Any of
these quarterbacks? Why didn't he leave before? Like why why
did it take him seven years to exhaust every single
possible potential to play at college to then go into
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the NFL? Like, that's not really how the draft process works.
Most times, quarterbacks are taken because they have one or
two extraordinary traits and then there's other things around their
game that you know, our deficiencies that they need to
improve upon. But there's a few extraordinary things that if
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they can lean on that at the next level, they'll
be able to excel. You know, take for in, for instance,
Josh Allen. Josh Allen had a howitzer fer an arm.
Everyone saw that at Wyoming. When you go back and
watch the tape, the ball jumped off the screen. Now
people questioned his accuracy, and I always challenge the fact
that looking at a lot of drops early on when
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he was with the Buffalo Bill. There's a lot of
drops at Wyoming. It wasn't so much to me his
accuracy as compared to drops plus fundamentals, and as he's
cleaned all that stuff up now we don't even have.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
That conversation anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
But he had this extraordinary size, athleticism and arm talent,
and that's what made him a first round pick, even
coming from a smaller school where he was kind of
unheard of to some degree, right, not really recruited. And
so in this case, I don't know that you're looking
at Tyler Shuck with the same arm strength and definitely
not athleticism. And so it's always interesting for me to
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hear this when you've got a guy who's been there,
you know, six years, seven years, you're going, well, if
he was that good, he would have left after three
or four. It would have been like Caleb Williams. It
would have been like maybe arch Manning next year. It
would have been like what Niko Iyamaliava could have been
and maybe still is. We don't know if he would
have stayed at Tennessee and had a really good year
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this year. So that's the one that I look at
and say, man, I just you hear some of these
talent evaluators. And I'm not knocking Tyler shuck in any way.
It's just the reality of this situation. And tell me
I'm wrong. Like, if a guy's good enough, is he
staying seven years in college?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Uh, that's that's a million dollar question. I say, shuck him,
you know what I mean, Like if he ain't, if
he ain't out of there before now outside of some extraordinary,
extraordinary circumstances.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Q, I'm like, shuck them, you know what I mean.
You work it out how you want to work it out.
The fuck.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But but there's a reason, Like if you're moving on
from Oregon to Texas Tech then Louisville, it's like, well, yes,
you're you're you're desired to some degree, but there's also
places that decided to go with someone else who was younger.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Maybe they felt like it was more talented.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
If you're so making it at the college level and
you got to move around, if it's not outside of
like losing a coach, right, if you're moving around that
much to try to figure out how you can play,
or if you're playing, it's like, okay, I went here
their system, like how they're trying to report that, you know, Nico.
Part of the point is, well, I won't say they.
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I mean, this is what TJ said on the show,
is that that is not a pro style offense that
they run in Tennessee. If you're if you're saying that
you want to try to find a pro style offense
or a coach that understands the pro style way of
doing it, which.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I'm not an offensive guy.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I mean I can say for certain, I think that
you come up with what your concepts are if you're
a brilliant offensive mind, no matter what level you're on.
So I don't really know what the terminology of all
that represents Q. You could speak to it better than me.
But if you're out of school and you don't feel
as though this school is preparing you for the workplace
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that you're going to go into once you leave, then
I don't have a problem with you seeking, you know,
better knowledge and better development somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
But to be as old as he is.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And they have gone to as many that he's gone to,
I think that opens up the door to a lot
of questioning and maybe even is there a deeper dive
into figuring out the why of it all, or is
there less of an investment in just saying that, you know,
maybe that's not something that you want to invest in.
With somebody being that old and moving around that much,
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it just I think it just opens up the door
for so many questions that could fall on the other
side of positive when you have that type of a
resume connected to what you're doing. That's just me though.
It's a new world out here and people may not
judge moving around as much as they did before. But
from an older perspective, I would think that these evaluators
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are looking at it like, if you're not good enough
to get it done at one place outside of your
coach leaving or something to that effect, and you've got
to keep moving around. If you're not good enough to
do it at the college level, you're certainly not going
to be able to translate to the pro level.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And that's where I tend to seldom ever admit this,
but I'd say Pete Prisco is right in the sense
of this draft.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
So many teams.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Feeling desperate for a quarterback or to to kind of
look for that diamond in the rough, and part of
the problem is you know, for a player like Tyler Shuck,
you know, I look at him and think, can you
play in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Does he need the right situation and circumstance, without a doubt,
you know, he's gonna need all those things around him
in order to be successful. And by the way, that's
ninety eight percent of quarterbacks that go into the NFL.
And so the question is like, who's that in that
one or two percent?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Right, cam Ward?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Based on his arm, talent, based on his athleticism, his
poison in the pocket, all those things that you can
kind of see from his play in those high water marks,
will excuse me, those highlights that you see, you go, okay,
I could see him being able to go in there
and lift up a team. You know, could Shador Sanders
do that with some of his play MAKA bility and accuracy?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Those those are the questions you're asking yourself. And it's
one of the reasons why I don't fault the Giants
for you know, doing these workouts this late into the process,
that this isn't like procrastination or waiting to the eleventh hour.
I think there's it's probably by design in the sense
that if you're making the decision a week from now,
wouldn't you want all the evaluation to be somewhat recent.
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I mean it would it would feel odd and weird
to have this moment to look at these guys throw,
and then two months later have to make that decision.
It'd be kind of nice to do it as close
as you could to when you actually have to make
the decision. And it'd be nice to visit with these guys,
you know, all three in a row. So having Jalen
Milroe and Tyler Shuck and Shade or Sanders, all guys
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that you're able to meet with, have a private workout
with watch them throw to solidify your plan and your
decision making and being more recent. So I actually don't
mind what they've done. It's it's abnormal, but it kind
of makes sense, right if that's if if that's their prerogative.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
That makes sense. I mean, why if you're allowed to
do it, why not do it exactly?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
You know they say you can never have too much information, right,
So like you said, I mean, you're this close to
the draft if you want to take a closer look
and in that type of context, putting it more in context,
they might be looking at it like, Okay, this is
the top of the draft board, cam Warton, Shador Sanders,
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these other guys. Let's see, like you said, let's see
it right now, up close and personal.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Let's do the comps of it.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And then you know, you probably get your clips that
that you see from the game film and you do
the contrasting, your comparison, and if you're not looking at
the gap that's there as blowing you away saying that,
oh yeah, this guy brings these intangibles. They check these
boxes off, da da da, this, that and the other.
There clearly is a reason why these prospects are at
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the top of the draft and the rest of them
are the rest. If you come away with that conclusion,
then I think it takes you down the lane of okay,
feel comfortable making that pick. But if it doesn't take
you down that lane, then it goes to your point
where it's like, we could trade out of this pick.
And at least two of these guys are comparable to
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this guy that's considered to be at the top of
the draft, and we can see those things very clearly,
and what it is that we've done with adding this
information from the workout, and we're confident that we could
trade out of this pick, get more draft capital, and
still get the type of quarterback that we want for
our future, knowing that we have two veterans that can
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very much be I guess serviceable at worse at least
and develop that quarterback that we get where we get
them in the draft. I don't think that's I think
that's a sound approach if you ask me.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I think it's a good point too.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
In regards to the separation between players in the draft,
even players in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I've always said this.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Now most people will scoff at this, but it's true
there's not as much much of separation and really the
abilities of some of the players that in the NFL
the best is even the worst. As people think. The
outside perception would tell you it's night and day, right,
but the reality is they're not that far apart. And
it's one of the reasons why if cam Ward goes
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one and Shador Sanders is the second quarterback taken, there's
not as much separation from Shadoor Sanders to Jalen Milroe,
who may or may not go in the first round,
or Tyler Shuck who doesn't seem like he's going to
but maybe he slides his way into it. Maybe he's
that fourth quarterback who knows. But there's not as much
separation in the mind of some of these evaluators who
are watching all the tape, working these guys out, interviewing
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them as people on the outside think. And so it's
one of the reasons why it's really fascinating to think
that if they're drafting three overall and they don't use
that pick on a quarterback, or they trade out of
it and select something else that they have a need
for and eventually find their way later on, people will
be like, well, they didn't take them in the first round,
Well maybe they didn't feel like there's that, you know,
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the big of difference between the two players, like you're
kind of pointing out, So I'm with you. I think, Look,
the draft is always a fascinating process because it's the best.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Reality TV show there is, Like we get.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
To find out with everyone else what player is going where,
and you know, look, the betting odds are the betting odds.
Our friends and partners at DraftKings, they obviously you know,
put forth those for us to have some fun with
but they don't always hold true. Sometimes things change based
on you know, trade or something else that happens that
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they find out. Maybe it's a gas mask on draft
day and on a player drops right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
We've seen that before with.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Lanary Tunsil, but it still is fascinating to see how,
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So we got a couple updates. The first one is
the Nico update as apparently he has not found a home.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
And for those of you who missed it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Nico EO Maliava, the quarterback who used to play for
the Tennessee Volunteers, decided to skip out on his spring game.
This launched into this whole caotic scenario in which the
University of Tennessee decided to move on from Nico Ia
Maliava and his camp if you will. But apparently he
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reports service that this had been going on for a while.
This actually the negotiations to get paid more than what
he was contracted to get paid for. We're actually going
on before the playoffs this past year, and I obviously
came to a head at some point before the spring game.
Now Nico Iamliava, who look not necessarily him himself, but
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his dad, his family, his agent, may have overplayed his
hand as he has not found a home. Similar to
for example, former California running back now Oklahoma running back
Jade Not, one of the better running backs in college football,
hit the transfer portal and immediately found a destination and.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
A home in the Oklahoma Sooner.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So keep an eye for Jade not he will be
a guy we talk about playing on Sundays at the
NFL level.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
But back to Nico, it appears.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
That he's not even gonna be able to find a
suitor or a team that wants to pay him four million.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
They'll forget four million, they don't want to pay him
two million.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Reportedly, there's a number of teams Ucla Tulane having to
be the two named teams that are waiting to see
if the asking price for Nico services will go down
to that one million dollar mark. And I would just
quickly say this, LeVar, I think this is actually good
for college football. And unfortunately Niko i Amaliava, his agent,
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his family has to take the brunt of this. But
this is also the other side of trying to leave
to go get paid more elsewhere and trying to leverage
whatever leverage you think you have against some of these
teams or against that collective or coach, what have you.
And this is the other side of it where the
grass isn't always greener. This is sometimes how it works out.
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And so as much as we look at this and go,
oh my gosh, college football it's so chaotic, this is
kind of also how free markets work. Like he decided
to hit the free market to basically become a free agent,
and he did it a way that I think tarnish
to hurt his reputation a little bit. And now it's
come to a place where he's realizing what his market
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value is based on how he played last year and
how he's handled this, He's realized that he probably should
have stayed where he was and look, we'll see how
he could play for whether it's for UCLA or Telan
or wherever he ends up. You know, we'll see if
he can resurrect his career and being one of those
top guys in college football, in the top NFL draft prospect.
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But the reality is, as of right now, he's still
yet to find a home. And this is a long
departure from probably what him, his family, and his agent
was thinking a week ago.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
As hard as hell to be a starter at any
position in a Power five situation, And if you're at
a top program, an elite program, a blue blood program.
You're talking about a school where Peyton Manning started, you
were the starter, that's first and foremost. Like you can't
take for granted getting into a college situation and having
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the opportunity to start like that. I think that gets
lost in all of this. That's first and foremost. Secondly,
you asked me yesterday on the show, is this good
or bad for college football? I think it's good. I
think it's great for college football, and I think it's
great for the student athlete as well. It is now
a reference point. You know, you hate for it to
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be at the expense of any player in the wrong
way of the wrong direction. We'll see how it ultimately
plays out for Nico, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's at his expense that you now have a.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Situation that begins to give clarity on how the approach
should be the if the rules don't change as of
right now. You got to look at what just happened
with Nico, and you got to say to yourself, the
markets are starting to establish themselves in a way where
do you want to be on the wrong side of
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a guestimation of thinking that your value is this because
of this player over here, this player over here, and
this player over here. Like okay, you look at the
kid that leaves Georgia and goes to Miami and he
gets a pretty dog on good deal, and you're like, well,
I'm as good as he is, and this, that and
the other I think you marry what took place just
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now with Nico and how as you mentioned, it does
give his brand a hit. It gives him a hit,
It makes him almost radioactive. To be able to invest
in him to bring him to your school, especially depending
on the amount of money that you're going to spend,
because your market is going to speak to it and say, well,
Tennessee didn't feel like he was worth that. These other
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schools didn't offer them that. Why are we the Because
ultimately nil is going to pay him, those markets aren't
be like, we don't need to invest that type of
money in him. We need to invest it in getting
overall good players for the entire program. But more to
this point, I had a business mentor when I was
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in high school. His name happened to be and you
were like this Jerome Bettis. You used to spend a
ton of time with him, and he taught me. We
had the same barber. He would drive me around, we
would have talks, and he said one thing to me
that I've read before as well. He said, listen, you
don't chase money with what you do. You let your
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greatness be the catalyst of money chasing you. The money
chases greatness. You don't be great by chasing money, and
I didn't all the way understand it, Q, But I
still always focus myself on trying to be the best
that I could possibly be. So the point of what
I'm introducing that for is Nico should have been so
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great on what he's doing that the money's chasing him.
The fact that we're sitting here having a conversation that
he doesn't have a clear landing spot going into this
scenario is beyond me to actually think that if you're
gonna put chasing the money ahead of being great, then
you find yourself in a situation like this, you don't
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have to question my greatness, and you don't have to
question why I'm leaving because it's already laid out in
front of me. There's this school, there's this school, there's
this school, and there's this school that are actually contacting
the people that represent me.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Now. Granted, I know you brought up tampering and all
those things yesterday as well.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I get all that, But all I'm gonna say is,
when the money chases you, you'll find a way to know,
or you will know that that money is chasing you.
You will know that these opportunities are chasing you. If
you're chasing those opportunities, you could look around and you
can ultimately find yourself in the situation that Nico is in,
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where it's like, oh wait, hold on, when the lights
came on, there was nobody here. I thought there'd be
a whole bunch of people here with me. There's no
one here. And now he's left to scramble. Those same
people that are a part of his team. Trust the
team to get him to where they're trying to get
him to. They're scrambling to try to figure out where
he's going to go to school. Those are some decent names,
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U CLA makes sense. He's from around this way. I mean,
but who's going to be able to come up with
the type of money that he wants? And now those
numbers are going to be released when he gets to
a school, and you're going to see that it wasn't
what they thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
He has no real leverage.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Now he's at the mercy of what people are willing
to offer him because he has no real leverage.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I think this is a.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Cautionary tale of the tape you chase greatness, let the
money chase you, as Jerome Bettis said to me, and
the rest will work out for you. Keep it very simple,
because once you get out of keeping it simple, it
gets very complicated and you can become a victim of
creating complications. There's no blessings that can come within confusion.
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Now that came from my dad, and that's a real thought.
Do not think that confusion blessings can come out of
confusion because blessings do not happen in confusion. And this
is a confused state of situation that Nico and his
team are in right now.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Preach, preach, figure I give him a tad bit of church.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Him obviously a former Notre Dame legend in Troon bettis
always providing from some good insight.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Talking to Jerome. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
We'll keep everyone up to date on what happens with
Nico imli Ava. And again, just so people don't confuse
the messaging here, this young man's talented. He's capable of
being a guy that we talk about as being a
top ten pick. He has no doubt about it. You
look at his rankings coming from high school as a
five star. There's a reason why the University of Tennessee
want to sign him to the contract.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
They did. Now, the tape last year some highs, some lows.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And not as much production as you had hoped h between,
especially for an offense that is conducive to putting up numbers.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
And you know you.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Mentioned earlier about the concern about it not being an
NFL offense. Well, they knew that going into it, Like
that's part of what the due diligence you do when
you're selecting different schools. So it's kind of funny now
they bring that up after a few years of being
there and saying, oh, it's not an NFL offense. Well, okay,
you knew that. You've known that, you've been there, like
you could have moved and done this before.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So to your point.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
About not making about the money, it feels like maybe
it was all about the money and unfortunately the money
eventually runs out in this case.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
It looks like it's beginning to coming up next year.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
On two Pros and a Cup of Joe, we got
a lot coming up. The old p joins us the
top of the next hour. You never want to miss that.
But also we've got some mid week awards on the
other side of the s break the good, the bad,
and the ugly.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
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Speaker 2 (34:34):
All right, it's that time again. It's ready. We're ready
for the midweek awards. Lee. Can you kick us off
with what we got?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some
bad and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time
for good, bad, and ugly.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
That's right, Brady.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
As you know, we always start with the good, and
you know it's a good week because we got mister
Brady delivered the goods well.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I mean, this one's somewhat easy. It's twofold though. The
first good is your birthday yesterday, six years old.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
A gain to the one and on the Lee Robert
de Lap and also Rory McElroy winning the Grand Slam
kind of been a long time coming. But the dramatic
finish at the Masters there on the eighteenth.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Green is Roy. McElroy was able to hit an.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Incredible approach shot to beat out Justin Rose for the
coveted green jacket.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That is my good for this week. I changed my mind.
That is good. I liked all those goods.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
But you can't have good without the bad, and I'm
going to deliver the bad one being the fact that
you know, we've lost Jonas for a little bit, but
the good being that he'll.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Be back tomorrow. A big deal about that, But how
about bad about this?
Speaker 5 (35:55):
What's going on in the NBA with the Phoenix Suns.
They can't get it right. They've fired Boodenholzer one and done.
They've got the highest salary in the entire league, with
you know, likes of Kevin Durant, t Devin Booker, Bradley
Beial just uh, lots of potential loss there in Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
I think we as NBA fans kind of lost out
on having them.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
In the playoffs. That's my bad for the week.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
And uh from bad two worst, LeVar, what was ugly
this week?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I mean I had a clear one.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I was going to obviously go in the direction of
Nico and Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
But I'm gonna change.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
It to q's good for the week horrible like that's
the worst, like just ugly of the week. And then
it got uglier listening to you talk about what was
bad for the week. So I'm gonna I'm gonna just
offer that that Q and lead the lapse delivery of
the good and the bad were freaking ugly this week.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
He just record. You came up with nothing, nothing original
on your own. You just I just I just told you.
I think the Tennessee situation was what.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I wanted to go with. That's ugly for for the week.
It definitely could have been, but I just could guys,
but you chose not to go with that. Yeah, I
think you guys outranked it with what you guys just
did with the good and the bad, so you know,
be better if you're going to go before me, because ultimately, uh,
if I'm going last, that means I'm doing that ugly.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
And you guys totally just went with Lee or Ies
and then instead of going with that, you're saying that
it's original that you're using the subject we just talked
about in the last segment.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I'm saying it's original to say that you guys trumped
what my original was.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
That's that's what I'm saying. All right, Well, let me
let me jump in here. We'll give you some ugly.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
So the ratings for the w n B A were
actually half of what they were just a year ago,
really where Kaylin Clark got drafted number one overall. Now,
it's not as ugly as it seem because actually those
ratings that they were able to get with Paige Becker's
going number one overall, they doubled their high watermark back
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of two thousand and four. So even though they're down
fifty percent of what they were a year ago, they're
still up dramatically and compared two years prior. So it
looks ugly as far as what the ratings were for
the WNBA draft. I though everyone hates talking about the WNBA,
but we saved a small sliver for it. Right now, however,
it does feel like they've got some people who've bought
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in and the at least again doubled their last high
water mark for what their ratings have been for the
draft in the past.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
So what's ugly that is is that you should have
had ugly instead of good, because that.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Was ugly first.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
I try to come prepare. This was very for all
of it. I never know what is going to throw me.
I usually get them.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
It's ugly to throw out a little hidden in the
windows too super ugly.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
You did well, you did very well.
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. He's LeVar
Anson on Brady Quinn. No Jonas Knox, as you just heard.
He'll be back tomorrow, though again our show will be
in a different time slob We will be doing the
Dan Patrick Show for the next two days, so from
nine am to twelve pm Eastern Time. Talked about the
New York Giants yesterday in regards to their workout with
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the Shador Sanders being late in the process and what
that may mean for the New York Giants. We've got
a little bit more context as the New York Giants
held private workouts this week for three quarterback prospects in
the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, shod Door Sanders being
one of them, but also Jaln Milroe, quarterback from Alabama,
and Tyler Shuck, the seven year college player college quarterback,
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most recently from Louisville, but spent some time at Oregon, spent.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Some time at Texas Tech.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
However, these these workouts, they highlight maybe a question as
to what the New York Giants are doing. I don't
know that anyone looks at Jaylen Milroe as a guy
that the New York Giants would take at number three,
and surely not Tyler Shuck. However, yesterday Diana Rossini came
out with a report from one NFL head coached that
actually was able to off, you know, on the record,
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but anonymously say he likes Tyler Schuck the best of
anyone in this quarterback class. So, now that you've got
a little more context into what's going on, do you
kind of buy the theory I threw out yesterday LeVar
that maybe the Giants trade back from number three with
a team that wants Abdul Carter, and they put themselves
in a spot to either take best player available or
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potentially whether it's Shador Sanders, Jaln Milroe, or Tyler Shuck
maybe if it's in the back end of the first
round or early in the second round.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I think that's continued to be a debate going into
to this year's draft, and it opens the door for
those types of conversations. I don't know definitively obviously what
the Giants are thinking. I would assume, like what you know,
Prisco said on the show, that they're doing it because
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they really are trying to figure out if they want
to take him at three versus trade out of it
and see what they can do later on in terms
of you know, whoever that first pick is, and if
you were to get a quarterback later on in the draft.
But I will say to your point my kind of
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thought process on hearing about you know, different quarterbacks that
are mentioned that you also have to take into consideration
that if you're looking at two guys that are the
top of the group, which is the most important skill
group or position group in the game, at the quarterbacks position,
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and you're not blown away, like totally blown away by
the guys that you're looking at being those top guys,
then why wouldn't you take a chance. Why wouldn't you
try to move back, take a chance, get more value
out of what it is that you're doing with your team.
I think you know, the Giants could use a little
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bit more help, and if you can find ways to
address it through the draft, then you do that. Because
if you're able to put together, you know, a nice
draft class, and then you're able to do it a
couple times in the road, Like you look at what
they're doing in Philadelphia. I mean, they've been able to
string together some really fine drafts like consecutively, and once
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you do that, you could potentially have a super Bowl
bound team that most of those guys are still on
rookie contracts. Now, I don't know how that looks in
terms of once they come off of those contracts. I
guess you would assume that the best approach is you
continue to have those consecutive draft classes continuing forward, so
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that some of those guys are able to go, and
some of the guys that you want to resign back,
you resign them back, but you're replacing them with.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Quality guys out of the draft.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Point I'm making is, if you're not all the way
sold on what your prospect is at a pick as
high as number three, and you feel as though you
can get someone that's comparable that maybe you know being
talked about more.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Then you know that's I don't see how.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
That's a miss, especially if you're not all the ways
sold on the fact that if we spend this pick
on this particular skill position at this point in the draft,
how much of a chance are are we taking that
it's a miss. So, and they got free agents. They
pulled a free agent in and Russell Wilson, and they
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also pulled Jameis Winston in, which are two guys that
could possibly start. So maybe you feel like you can
take a chance on getting a guy later in the
draft by trading out of that position. But I would
ultimately say I think that they would do a late
workout like that to say I need to put my
eyes on him one more time. I want to see
him work out. I want to see how he goes
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on the board, I want to see how he breaks
down the film. I want to have some time with
him out and see what his personality traits are like.
Do we like him as a person, does he acclimate
well like with us? Do we mix well with him?
Before we make our final decision on what we're going
to do.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, and look they're doing this with three other you know,
three quarterbacks, right, So I think there's a there's a
thought at least in my mind, that they've been contacted
about trading out of the spot. And so because obviously
if you're staying in the spot, you'd be thinking like,
are you going to take a quarterback at that spot?
But this is where I challenge what Pete Priscot talked
about yesterday, and the fact that if you want to stay,
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if you're Joe Shane and he feels like, oh, I
just draft a rookie quarterback, well, the reality is you
have two veterans there and one in which in Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
That the way he's at least played.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Last year in Pittsburgh and even the year prior's final
year in Denver, Giants fans would have deaf would have
taken that as far as quarterback play and what he
was able to produce in those games. That's kind of
where they've been in regards to quarterback play. So the
reality for Joe Shane and Brian Dable is if there's
pressure on them to win and win now well, drafting
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a rookie quarterback doesn't save you. There's countless examples of
that where quarterbacks get drafted in there, you know, and
then the rookie year and their head coach that drafts
them's gone.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So that's not a solution.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
The solutions winning, and what gives you a better chance
of winning is having a veteran quarterback who's not going
to make those rookie mistakes. So it's one of the
reasons why I don't buy the notion that at three
they're going to take a quarterback. I think they're more
looking at now saying if Abdul Carter is the number
one overall prospect in most people's minds, yet Cleveland doesn't
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need him or doesn't see him with that at two
and Cam Woard's going number one. Because of the premium
on the quarterback position, We're going to find some trade partners,
and in reality, if you look at our roster, we
don't have a need for services. We've got Brian Burns
on one side, who's a former first round pick that
we traded for. We have Kevon Thibodau on the other side,
was a first round pick that's also been the guy.
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So it doesn't really make sense for us, but it
could make sense depending on who's there for someone else.
And again, this is assuming that Abdul Carter doesn't go
somewhere in the first couple of picks, right, So if
that's the case, and then you go and then you
go back and look at what the Giants currently have.
They have the third overall pick, the thirty fourth overall
pick in the second round, the sixty fifth overall pick
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in the third round, and they got a Compenstory third
round pick that's number ninety nine in the third round.
So you have four picks in the top one hundred.
There's a chance that you might find value in one
of these quarterbacks if they slide to one of those spots,
whether it's Jalen Milroe, Tyler Shuck, or even trading back
up utilizing that draft capital you get from trading back
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at number three, along with potentially where you sit in
the second round with that pick number thirty four to
get back up into the first round and taking one
of those rookie quarterbacks. Now what stands out the most
to me, because the betting odds have it at three
and a half quarterbacks, I believe taken in the first round.
Lee look up on DraftKings if you will, you can
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keep me honest on that. But I believe that over
under set at three and a half. And that's fair
because it's assumed that cam Ward goes one and at
some point we see Jackson, Dart, Schad or Sanders go
off the board to what teams.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The fourth quarterback is what I find the most interesting
because Jalen Milroe has gotten a lot of buzz. The
Pittsburgh Steelers have been a team that has been linked
to him. If they bring in Aaron Rodgers to also
have someone like Jalen Milroe there who could sit and watch,
learn and develop because of just his raw talent and
nobility and what his stealing might be. But Tyler Shuck
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is the other one that has started to make the waves.
And again we heard Diana Rassini say yesterday she had
an anonymous head coach say that he likes Tyler Shuck
the best out of all the quarterbacks in next draft class,
including Cam Wharton, which brings on another conversation that you've
got a quarterback who is in college football for seven years,
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he's twenty five years old, and look I don't have
a problem with that. He's taken advantage of his opportunity,
but it does beg the question, well, yeah, you know,
if you're not getting your opportunity at the Oregon or
Texas Tech, you take us somewhere else. And look, he
played pretty he played pretty well last year at Louisville,
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and Jeff Bron their head coach. He's been known for
really developing quarterbacks. I think you know, he played in
the NFL, He's a former quarterback. I think he sees
the game from that perspective as a head coach and
really helps prepare the quarterbacks that he trains there in Louisville, UH,
for the next level, as far as what he asks
of them and what he challenges them to do, and
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even their their foot footwork and fundamentals. Like I'm a
big Jeff Bron fan, So there's all those elements too.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think why.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think there's a lot of NFL talent evaluators who
buy into when you see a quarterback come from Louisville,
you know they're going to do the right things. You
know they're going to be trained to do what Jeff
Broms asked them to do and He's got this wealth
of experience at the college level, and he does have
a good arm. He is a good enough athlete. So
there's a lot of things that you like about Tyler Shuck.
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What concerns me is if he was good enough and
if you know, you've got again an NFL head coach
that's saying this odd take him first off? Any of
these quarterbacks? Why didn't he leave before? Like why why
did it take him seven years to exhaust every single
possible potential to play at college to then go into
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the NFL? Like, that's not really how the draft process works.
Most times, quarterbacks are taken because they have one or
two extraordinary traits and then there's other things around their
game that you know, our deficiencies that they need to
improve upon. But there's a few extraordinary things that if
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they can lean on that at the next level, they'll
be able to excel. You know, take for in, for instance,
Josh Allen. Josh Allen had a howitzer fer an arm.
Everyone saw that at Wyoming. When you go back and
watch the tape, the ball jumped off the screen. Now
people questioned his accuracy, and I always challenge the fact
that looking at a lot of drops early on when
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he was with the Buffalo Bill. There's a lot of
drops at Wyoming. It wasn't so much to me his
accuracy as compared to drops plus fundamentals, and as he's
cleaned all that stuff up now we don't even have.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
That conversation anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
But he had this extraordinary size, athleticism and arm talent,
and that's what made him a first round pick, even
coming from a smaller school where he was kind of
unheard of to some degree, right, not really recruited. And
so in this case, I don't know that you're looking
at Tyler Shuck with the same arm strength and definitely
not athleticism. And so it's always interesting for me to
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hear this when you've got a guy who's been there,
you know, six years, seven years, you're going, well, if
he was that good, he would have left after three
or four. It would have been like Caleb Williams. It
would have been like maybe arch Manning next year. It
would have been like what Niko Iyamaliava could have been
and maybe still is. We don't know if he would
have stayed at Tennessee and had a really good year
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this year. So that's the one that I look at
and say, man, I just you hear some of these
talent evaluators. And I'm not knocking Tyler shuck in any way.
It's just the reality of this situation. And tell me
I'm wrong. Like, if a guy's good enough, is he
staying seven years in college?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Uh, that's that's a million dollar question. I say, shuck him,
you know what I mean, Like if he ain't, if
he ain't out of there before now outside of some extraordinary,
extraordinary circumstances.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Q, I'm like, shuck them, you know what I mean.
You work it out how you want to work it out.
The fuck.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But but there's a reason, Like if you're moving on
from Oregon to Texas Tech then Louisville, it's like, well, yes,
you're you're you're desired to some degree, but there's also
places that decided to go with someone else who was younger.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Maybe they felt like it was more talented.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
If you're so making it at the college level and
you got to move around, if it's not outside of
like losing a coach, right, if you're moving around that
much to try to figure out how you can play,
or if you're playing, it's like, okay, I went here
their system, like how they're trying to report that, you know, Nico.
Part of the point is, well, I won't say they.
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I mean, this is what TJ said on the show,
is that that is not a pro style offense that
they run in Tennessee. If you're if you're saying that
you want to try to find a pro style offense
or a coach that understands the pro style way of
doing it, which.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I'm not an offensive guy.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I mean I can say for certain, I think that
you come up with what your concepts are if you're
a brilliant offensive mind, no matter what level you're on.
So I don't really know what the terminology of all
that represents Q. You could speak to it better than me.
But if you're out of school and you don't feel
as though this school is preparing you for the workplace
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that you're going to go into once you leave, then
I don't have a problem with you seeking, you know,
better knowledge and better development somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
But to be as old as he is.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And they have gone to as many that he's gone to,
I think that opens up the door to a lot
of questioning and maybe even is there a deeper dive
into figuring out the why of it all, or is
there less of an investment in just saying that, you know,
maybe that's not something that you want to invest in.
With somebody being that old and moving around that much,
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it just I think it just opens up the door
for so many questions that could fall on the other
side of positive when you have that type of a
resume connected to what you're doing. That's just me though.
It's a new world out here and people may not
judge moving around as much as they did before. But
from an older perspective, I would think that these evaluators
(15:43):
are looking at it like, if you're not good enough
to get it done at one place outside of your
coach leaving or something to that effect, and you've got
to keep moving around. If you're not good enough to
do it at the college level, you're certainly not going
to be able to translate to the pro level.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And that's where I tend to seldom ever admit this,
but I'd say Pete Prisco is right in the sense
of this draft.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
So many teams.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Feeling desperate for a quarterback or to to kind of
look for that diamond in the rough, and part of
the problem is you know, for a player like Tyler Shuck,
you know, I look at him and think, can you
play in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Does he need the right situation and circumstance, without a doubt,
you know, he's gonna need all those things around him
in order to be successful. And by the way, that's
ninety eight percent of quarterbacks that go into the NFL.
And so the question is like, who's that in that
one or two percent?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Right, cam Ward?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Based on his arm, talent, based on his athleticism, his
poison in the pocket, all those things that you can
kind of see from his play in those high water marks,
will excuse me, those highlights that you see, you go, okay,
I could see him being able to go in there
and lift up a team. You know, could Shador Sanders
do that with some of his play MAKA bility and accuracy?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Those those are the questions you're asking yourself. And it's
one of the reasons why I don't fault the Giants
for you know, doing these workouts this late into the process,
that this isn't like procrastination or waiting to the eleventh hour.
I think there's it's probably by design in the sense
that if you're making the decision a week from now,
wouldn't you want all the evaluation to be somewhat recent.
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I mean it would it would feel odd and weird
to have this moment to look at these guys throw,
and then two months later have to make that decision.
It'd be kind of nice to do it as close
as you could to when you actually have to make
the decision. And it'd be nice to visit with these guys,
you know, all three in a row. So having Jalen
Milroe and Tyler Shuck and Shade or Sanders, all guys
(17:42):
that you're able to meet with, have a private workout
with watch them throw to solidify your plan and your
decision making and being more recent. So I actually don't
mind what they've done. It's it's abnormal, but it kind
of makes sense, right if that's if if that's their prerogative.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
That makes sense. I mean, why if you're allowed to
do it, why not do it exactly?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
You know they say you can never have too much information, right,
So like you said, I mean, you're this close to
the draft if you want to take a closer look
and in that type of context, putting it more in context,
they might be looking at it like, Okay, this is
the top of the draft board, cam Warton, Shador Sanders,
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these other guys. Let's see, like you said, let's see
it right now, up close and personal.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Let's do the comps of it.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And then you know, you probably get your clips that
that you see from the game film and you do
the contrasting, your comparison, and if you're not looking at
the gap that's there as blowing you away saying that,
oh yeah, this guy brings these intangibles. They check these
boxes off, da da da, this, that and the other.
There clearly is a reason why these prospects are at
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the top of the draft and the rest of them
are the rest. If you come away with that conclusion,
then I think it takes you down the lane of okay,
feel comfortable making that pick. But if it doesn't take
you down that lane, then it goes to your point
where it's like, we could trade out of this pick.
And at least two of these guys are comparable to
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this guy that's considered to be at the top of
the draft, and we can see those things very clearly,
and what it is that we've done with adding this
information from the workout, and we're confident that we could
trade out of this pick, get more draft capital, and
still get the type of quarterback that we want for
our future, knowing that we have two veterans that can
(19:35):
very much be I guess serviceable at worse at least
and develop that quarterback that we get where we get
them in the draft. I don't think that's I think
that's a sound approach if you ask me.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I think it's a good point too.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
In regards to the separation between players in the draft,
even players in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I've always said this.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Now most people will scoff at this, but it's true
there's not as much much of separation and really the
abilities of some of the players that in the NFL
the best is even the worst. As people think. The
outside perception would tell you it's night and day, right,
but the reality is they're not that far apart. And
it's one of the reasons why if cam Ward goes
(20:16):
one and Shador Sanders is the second quarterback taken, there's
not as much separation from Shadoor Sanders to Jalen Milroe,
who may or may not go in the first round,
or Tyler Shuck who doesn't seem like he's going to
but maybe he slides his way into it. Maybe he's
that fourth quarterback who knows. But there's not as much
separation in the mind of some of these evaluators who
are watching all the tape, working these guys out, interviewing
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them as people on the outside think. And so it's
one of the reasons why it's really fascinating to think
that if they're drafting three overall and they don't use
that pick on a quarterback, or they trade out of
it and select something else that they have a need
for and eventually find their way later on, people will
be like, well, they didn't take them in the first round,
Well maybe they didn't feel like there's that, you know,
(21:00):
the big of difference between the two players, like you're
kind of pointing out, So I'm with you. I think, Look,
the draft is always a fascinating process because it's the best.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Reality TV show there is, Like we get.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
To find out with everyone else what player is going where,
and you know, look, the betting odds are the betting odds.
Our friends and partners at DraftKings, they obviously you know,
put forth those for us to have some fun with
but they don't always hold true. Sometimes things change based
on you know, trade or something else that happens that
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they find out. Maybe it's a gas mask on draft
day and on a player drops right.
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We've seen that before with.
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So we got a couple updates. The first one is
the Nico update as apparently he has not found a home.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
And for those of you who missed it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Nico EO Maliava, the quarterback who used to play for
the Tennessee Volunteers, decided to skip out on his spring game.
This launched into this whole caotic scenario in which the
University of Tennessee decided to move on from Nico Ia
Maliava and his camp if you will. But apparently he
(24:10):
reports service that this had been going on for a while.
This actually the negotiations to get paid more than what
he was contracted to get paid for. We're actually going
on before the playoffs this past year, and I obviously
came to a head at some point before the spring game.
Now Nico Iamliava, who look not necessarily him himself, but
(24:30):
his dad, his family, his agent, may have overplayed his
hand as he has not found a home. Similar to
for example, former California running back now Oklahoma running back
Jade Not, one of the better running backs in college football,
hit the transfer portal and immediately found a destination and.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
A home in the Oklahoma Sooner.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So keep an eye for Jade not he will be
a guy we talk about playing on Sundays at the
NFL level.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
But back to Nico, it appears.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
That he's not even gonna be able to find a
suitor or a team that wants to pay him four million.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
They'll forget four million, they don't want to pay him
two million.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Reportedly, there's a number of teams Ucla Tulane having to
be the two named teams that are waiting to see
if the asking price for Nico services will go down
to that one million dollar mark. And I would just
quickly say this, LeVar, I think this is actually good
for college football. And unfortunately Niko i Amaliava, his agent,
(25:29):
his family has to take the brunt of this. But
this is also the other side of trying to leave
to go get paid more elsewhere and trying to leverage
whatever leverage you think you have against some of these
teams or against that collective or coach, what have you.
And this is the other side of it where the
grass isn't always greener. This is sometimes how it works out.
(25:49):
And so as much as we look at this and go,
oh my gosh, college football it's so chaotic, this is
kind of also how free markets work. Like he decided
to hit the free market to basically become a free agent,
and he did it a way that I think tarnish
to hurt his reputation a little bit. And now it's
come to a place where he's realizing what his market
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value is based on how he played last year and
how he's handled this, He's realized that he probably should
have stayed where he was and look, we'll see how
he could play for whether it's for UCLA or Telan
or wherever he ends up. You know, we'll see if
he can resurrect his career and being one of those
top guys in college football, in the top NFL draft prospect.
(26:32):
But the reality is, as of right now, he's still
yet to find a home. And this is a long
departure from probably what him, his family, and his agent
was thinking a week ago.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
As hard as hell to be a starter at any
position in a Power five situation, And if you're at
a top program, an elite program, a blue blood program.
You're talking about a school where Peyton Manning started, you
were the starter, that's first and foremost. Like you can't
take for granted getting into a college situation and having
(27:06):
the opportunity to start like that. I think that gets
lost in all of this. That's first and foremost. Secondly,
you asked me yesterday on the show, is this good
or bad for college football? I think it's good. I
think it's great for college football, and I think it's
great for the student athlete as well. It is now
a reference point. You know, you hate for it to
(27:27):
be at the expense of any player in the wrong
way of the wrong direction. We'll see how it ultimately
plays out for Nico, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's at his expense that you now have a.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Situation that begins to give clarity on how the approach
should be the if the rules don't change as of
right now. You got to look at what just happened
with Nico, and you got to say to yourself, the
markets are starting to establish themselves in a way where
do you want to be on the wrong side of
(28:02):
a guestimation of thinking that your value is this because
of this player over here, this player over here, and
this player over here. Like okay, you look at the
kid that leaves Georgia and goes to Miami and he
gets a pretty dog on good deal, and you're like, well,
I'm as good as he is, and this, that and
the other I think you marry what took place just
(28:25):
now with Nico and how as you mentioned, it does
give his brand a hit. It gives him a hit,
It makes him almost radioactive. To be able to invest
in him to bring him to your school, especially depending
on the amount of money that you're going to spend,
because your market is going to speak to it and say, well,
Tennessee didn't feel like he was worth that. These other
(28:47):
schools didn't offer them that. Why are we the Because
ultimately nil is going to pay him, those markets aren't
be like, we don't need to invest that type of
money in him. We need to invest it in getting
overall good players for the entire program. But more to
this point, I had a business mentor when I was
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in high school. His name happened to be and you
were like this Jerome Bettis. You used to spend a
ton of time with him, and he taught me. We
had the same barber. He would drive me around, we
would have talks, and he said one thing to me
that I've read before as well. He said, listen, you
don't chase money with what you do. You let your
(29:27):
greatness be the catalyst of money chasing you. The money
chases greatness. You don't be great by chasing money, and
I didn't all the way understand it, Q, But I
still always focus myself on trying to be the best
that I could possibly be. So the point of what
I'm introducing that for is Nico should have been so
(29:50):
great on what he's doing that the money's chasing him.
The fact that we're sitting here having a conversation that
he doesn't have a clear landing spot going into this
scenario is beyond me to actually think that if you're
gonna put chasing the money ahead of being great, then
you find yourself in a situation like this, you don't
(30:11):
have to question my greatness, and you don't have to
question why I'm leaving because it's already laid out in
front of me. There's this school, there's this school, there's
this school, and there's this school that are actually contacting
the people that represent me.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Now. Granted, I know you brought up tampering and all
those things yesterday as well.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I get all that, But all I'm gonna say is,
when the money chases you, you'll find a way to know,
or you will know that that money is chasing you.
You will know that these opportunities are chasing you. If
you're chasing those opportunities, you could look around and you
can ultimately find yourself in the situation that Nico is in,
(30:51):
where it's like, oh wait, hold on, when the lights
came on, there was nobody here. I thought there'd be
a whole bunch of people here with me. There's no
one here. And now he's left to scramble. Those same
people that are a part of his team. Trust the
team to get him to where they're trying to get
him to. They're scrambling to try to figure out where
he's going to go to school. Those are some decent names,
(31:12):
U CLA makes sense. He's from around this way. I mean,
but who's going to be able to come up with
the type of money that he wants? And now those
numbers are going to be released when he gets to
a school, and you're going to see that it wasn't
what they thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
He has no real leverage.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Now he's at the mercy of what people are willing
to offer him because he has no real leverage.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I think this is a.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Cautionary tale of the tape you chase greatness, let the
money chase you, as Jerome Bettis said to me, and
the rest will work out for you. Keep it very simple,
because once you get out of keeping it simple, it
gets very complicated and you can become a victim of
creating complications. There's no blessings that can come within confusion.
(31:57):
Now that came from my dad, and that's a real thought.
Do not think that confusion blessings can come out of
confusion because blessings do not happen in confusion. And this
is a confused state of situation that Nico and his
team are in right now.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Preach, preach, figure I give him a tad bit of church.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Him obviously a former Notre Dame legend in Troon bettis
always providing from some good insight.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Talking to Jerome. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
We'll keep everyone up to date on what happens with
Nico imli Ava. And again, just so people don't confuse
the messaging here, this young man's talented. He's capable of
being a guy that we talk about as being a
top ten pick. He has no doubt about it. You
look at his rankings coming from high school as a
five star. There's a reason why the University of Tennessee
want to sign him to the contract.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
They did. Now, the tape last year some highs, some lows.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And not as much production as you had hoped h between,
especially for an offense that is conducive to putting up numbers.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
And you know you.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Mentioned earlier about the concern about it not being an
NFL offense. Well, they knew that going into it, Like
that's part of what the due diligence you do when
you're selecting different schools. So it's kind of funny now
they bring that up after a few years of being
there and saying, oh, it's not an NFL offense. Well, okay,
you knew that. You've known that, you've been there, like
you could have moved and done this before.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So to your point.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
About not making about the money, it feels like maybe
it was all about the money and unfortunately the money
eventually runs out in this case.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
It looks like it's beginning to coming up next year.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
On two Pros and a Cup of Joe, we got
a lot coming up. The old p joins us the
top of the next hour. You never want to miss that.
But also we've got some mid week awards on the
other side of the s break the good, the bad,
and the ugly.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
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Speaker 2 (34:34):
All right, it's that time again. It's ready. We're ready
for the midweek awards. Lee. Can you kick us off
with what we got?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some
bad and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time
for good, bad, and ugly.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
That's right, Brady.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
As you know, we always start with the good, and
you know it's a good week because we got mister
Brady delivered the goods well.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I mean, this one's somewhat easy. It's twofold though. The
first good is your birthday yesterday, six years old.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
A gain to the one and on the Lee Robert
de Lap and also Rory McElroy winning the Grand Slam
kind of been a long time coming. But the dramatic
finish at the Masters there on the eighteenth.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Green is Roy. McElroy was able to hit an.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Incredible approach shot to beat out Justin Rose for the
coveted green jacket.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That is my good for this week. I changed my mind.
That is good. I liked all those goods.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
But you can't have good without the bad, and I'm
going to deliver the bad one being the fact that
you know, we've lost Jonas for a little bit, but
the good being that he'll.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Be back tomorrow. A big deal about that, But how
about bad about this?
Speaker 5 (35:55):
What's going on in the NBA with the Phoenix Suns.
They can't get it right. They've fired Boodenholzer one and done.
They've got the highest salary in the entire league, with
you know, likes of Kevin Durant, t Devin Booker, Bradley
Beial just uh, lots of potential loss there in Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
I think we as NBA fans kind of lost out
on having them.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
In the playoffs. That's my bad for the week.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
And uh from bad two worst, LeVar, what was ugly
this week?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I mean I had a clear one.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I was going to obviously go in the direction of
Nico and Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
But I'm gonna change.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
It to q's good for the week horrible like that's
the worst, like just ugly of the week. And then
it got uglier listening to you talk about what was
bad for the week. So I'm gonna I'm gonna just
offer that that Q and lead the lapse delivery of
the good and the bad were freaking ugly this week.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
He just record. You came up with nothing, nothing original
on your own. You just I just I just told you.
I think the Tennessee situation was what.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I wanted to go with. That's ugly for for the week.
It definitely could have been, but I just could guys,
but you chose not to go with that. Yeah, I
think you guys outranked it with what you guys just
did with the good and the bad, so you know,
be better if you're going to go before me, because ultimately, uh,
if I'm going last, that means I'm doing that ugly.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
And you guys totally just went with Lee or Ies
and then instead of going with that, you're saying that
it's original that you're using the subject we just talked
about in the last segment.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I'm saying it's original to say that you guys trumped
what my original was.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
That's that's what I'm saying. All right, Well, let me
let me jump in here. We'll give you some ugly.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
So the ratings for the w n B A were
actually half of what they were just a year ago,
really where Kaylin Clark got drafted number one overall. Now,
it's not as ugly as it seem because actually those
ratings that they were able to get with Paige Becker's
going number one overall, they doubled their high watermark back
(38:10):
of two thousand and four. So even though they're down
fifty percent of what they were a year ago, they're
still up dramatically and compared two years prior. So it
looks ugly as far as what the ratings were for
the WNBA draft. I though everyone hates talking about the WNBA,
but we saved a small sliver for it. Right now, however,
it does feel like they've got some people who've bought
(38:30):
in and the at least again doubled their last high
water mark for what their ratings have been for the
draft in the past.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
So what's ugly that is is that you should have
had ugly instead of good, because that.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Was ugly first.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
I try to come prepare. This was very for all
of it. I never know what is going to throw me.
I usually get them.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
It's ugly to throw out a little hidden in the
windows too super ugly.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
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