April 10, 2025 • 39 mins
Have players lost leverage in the negotiations for an 18-game season and will it water down the NFL product? College athletes are starting to spurn the pros because of NIL compensation. Plus, Luka’s return to Dallas, beer with sushi and much more!
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So the NFL's got this thing. Eighteen games are really
trying to push hard for really trying to push hard
for it. And apparently Georgia Tala, who's the former NFLPA
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Chief of External Affairs, he spoke with Mike Florio and
he explained the rationale for the eighteen games coming sooner
rather than later.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
I think there is a massive push by the owners
to get to a place where they can time it
with the last of the you know, with the expiration
of the TV deals, the upcoming broadcast deals, and this
eighteen game thing look a little bit of history. They
wanted it. In two thousand and nine, they directly stated
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that they wanted to lock players out in twenty eleven,
which was one of their goals was to get eighteen games.
The twenty eleven deal prevented them from doing that, and
the twenty twenty deal prevented them from going to eighteen
without collective bargaining and bargaining a new CBA. So when
you look at the landscape of media and broadcast rights
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moving forward, and this ties in, I think to the
international opportunity. My gut tells me that they're going to
want to time a new collective bargaining agreement with eighteen
games around the broadcast deals or before that, so that
they can get one last, potentially one last consolidated set
of media deals before you know, who knows when the
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next fracturing of media and streaming is going to come.
And that's why I think it's going to be before.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
So that was Georgia Tala talking with Mike Florio about
the potential of eighteen games coming here in the next
few years. It's just a foregone conclusion at this point, right, Like,
is there any confidence whatsoever that the players are going
to put up enough of a fight that we don't
get to eighteen games?
Speaker 7 (03:46):
Well, they're not going to fight it. The question is like,
what do you ask for back in return? I mean,
guys like Miles Garrett already have in their contract how
their compensation compensation would increase with an eighteen game, so
they're preparing for it. It's just you know, is this
is this move one that the players have already conceded
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to the owners because of the language and the CBA,
or I should say the NFL PA has already conceded
to the owners and just said, well, yeah, we'll figure
it out whenever they want to do it. I mean
the strategy sound. I mean if you think about it
from the owner's perspective and you keep trying to raise
that bottom line.
Speaker 8 (04:28):
And that's really what Roger.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Goodell's been tasked with since he's taken over as commissioner
of the NFL. Is let's maximize how many games we
can plan a season.
Speaker 8 (04:38):
I have a hard time believe and they'll get the twenty.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Maybe in ten years they will be playing twenty games
and we won't have any preseason. But eighteen feels like
with the calendar the way it work, I mean, what
we would bump back to Presidence Day weekend, that would
essentially be you know, Super Bowl Sunday, then.
Speaker 8 (04:55):
You have Monday off as a holiday, and that'd.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Be nice for probably everyone involved who watches it it
and participates and being part of the Super Bowl parties
and festivities. That that, in a perfect world is probably
what this, you know, the schedule looks like. But to me,
it's this might be your one of your last and
only shots if you are a player to then get
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something that significant from the owners, because they're going to
use this to be able to take a huge jump
in what they're going to make in the TV media writes.
Deal is probably when they opt out in twenty twenty nine,
and that's when you're going to see a huge shift
as well in how we consume it. It might not
be your linear television networks. It might be it might
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it might end up being your streaming networks, and that
you know, again, we'll see we're at twenty twenty five now.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
There's obviously obviously.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
Some issues we've talked about with betting and being able
to you know, have people place bets because of the
you know, buffering with streaming and you know, the lag
time and all of that. But that is a real
possibility as you look at Netflix wanting to get more involved,
Amazon want to get more involved, and who knows, like
what other streaming platform could get into the mix as well.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I just wonder what is the benefit for the play.
I mean, I know the players can make more money,
they throw more money into it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I get that, But.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Like eighteen twenty games, like, at what point do you
get to one.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The oversaturation point? And two.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
We have all these conversations surrounding the safety of the game,
and you start to wonder, like all the rules and
legislation going towards you know, the conversations about what takes place,
what's allowed to take place within the game, how physical
the game is, how physicality has been legislated pretty much
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out of the game. At what point do you say
the altering of the product or or some would say
the evolution of the product. At what point do you say,
for the sake of having more of of it, you
sacrifice what the essence of what the game has represented.
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Like that's for me, That's what I start the more
I listen to adding more games. I mean, I mean,
you're barely able to physically make it out when when
it was sixteen, you were barely physically able to make
it out of that, especially if you have playoff runs.
So now you're getting to a point of where you're
taking the regular season to that many games, and it's
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an it's not like a whole lot more that you're adding,
but in football terms, I think it is. I think
it is a lot more. And so again I asked
the question, are you sacrificing what football represents. I'd rather
have a more physical game and have less of them,
then have a less physical game and have more of them.
(08:05):
And it's justified to have more because the practices aren't
as hard, the physicality isn't as much, and you know,
the injuries, like you could talk about how the injuries
are going. Now. I wonder how much this touch push
has to do with like you know, oh, it's not
about just necessarily you know, it's a nont it's an
unstoppable play. Maybe it has everything to do with continuing
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the narrative of how much this game is being cleaned
up into being a more consumable game by moms, by
younger people because the physicality of it isn't there.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
We haven't heard the narratives that we're.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Out there when when the CTE and the concussions hit
the media. We haven't really heard those conversations in the
ferocity that we did back then. I mean, if you
think about it, the NFL has done a pretty damn
good job of getting through the concussion era of what
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the media was really focused in on, what the consumer
was really focused then on. So now you're not talking
about concussions like you did before. You're just talking about
other things, and other things being adding more games. It's
kind of crazy, man, It's kind of to me. It's
kind of crazy to think that you go from there
to now you're adding more games, which means there's more
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opportunities for those concussions, more opportunities for those injuries to
take place that are taking place in the game that
people had problems with, like what seven eight years ago?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Maybe i'd forgotten, but I didn't. I didn't realize that they've.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Been pushing for eighteen games since as you mentioned, all
the way back to two thousand and nine. This has
been that long they've been trying to get to this point,
and you know, they got to seventeen a few years ago.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
But I didn't.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
I didn't realize that this had been a push by
the NFL, by the own for as long as it was,
and it just feels like we're at the point now
or where it's gonna happen. It'll happen in the next couple
of years, and they'll just reduce more practice time, reduce
more offseason commitments needed, or I don't know how that works.
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But when you mentioned the physicality back when it was
sixteen and it was difficult to get through, that was
if you would have had the practicing and all the
other things outside of the games the way it is
now back then, how much easier getting through this?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I mean, clearly it's probably made it easier to get through.
But are you better? Is it better? Is it a
better product? Are are these guys better? I would I
would say I look at some of the things that
that take place on football fields, and it's clearly not.
It's not as good. It's not better. You know, I
feel like tackling is poor. It's not it's not it's
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not better. You don't see guys doing better at tackling.
You know, there's certain things. I feel like some of
the injuries that take places because they don't have enough
physicality in practice or there isn't enough physical play in
terms of, you know, acclimating yourself to plan playing the
game of football. But again, the game of football is
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rapidly changing as well, so it's hard to say Jonas,
I think it's hard to say that that you know,
one way or the other that okay, it's you know,
are you better off doing it approaching it the way
that you are now with less practice, more time, more downtime,
you know, less, less practices, like there were three we
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at one point in time, you had three practices and
two of them were in pads. Like at one point
in time in football, you practice three times during the day.
One was more defensive oriented, one was more offensive oriented,
and then the last one, usually at night, was more
special teams oriented. And you probably do like a little
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scrimmage or something like that and you be done. But
you're talking about a process that took all day long
and all night long, and they don't do those things anymore.
But has that made the game better. I don't know
that it's made the product better. I mean, it's being consumed,
like you said, it's going into two streaming platforms, so
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it's expanding. I just don't know, you know, adding games
at some point like eighteen, like shut it down.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
This is why the product doesn't quite matter, because I'm
with you. I feel like, even like if you're looking
at a quarterback play, you know a lot of quarterbacks
who are coming into the league, it's a big adjustment
or the team has to adjust their offense to fit
the quarterback because you know, they can't you know, they
can't do the things that they once were asked to do,
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or they don't have the time in the offseason to
teach them the way they need to, so they just say,
all right, shoot, let's just put in an offense that
is similar what they had in college. I mean, that's
that's a reality for some teams. But the reason why
I feel like the product doesn't matter quite as much
is because.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
We live in a world now where.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Everything's broken up into like some quick highlights you see
on social media. Like no one watches the entire game.
No one reads the entire book.
Speaker 8 (13:21):
They have the.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Cliff notes they go see, you know, they don't listen
to the entire podcast. They hear like a two minute clip,
three minute clip. They form their opinion off that they
read one hundred and fifty word tweet on X Like
that's the reality.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
Of the world we live in.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
So, like when you talk about streaming platforms and how
like they're getting involved, Yeah, of course, because they just
cut up the content, they throw it out there, they
make a few you know, splash highlight plays and people are.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
Like, oh, yeah, that's great. It's like, well, it's not.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
As good as it once was, you know, technically speaking,
but sure, yeah, that's it's good. I mean, that's that's
that's the part of the issue is the NFL owners
have never been and concern with development, Like they've never
been concerned about saying, oh, this is you know, bad
for the league if we don't have more development. And
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by the way, the NFLPA has never been concerned with development.
And people can take issue with me saying that, but
if they really cared about it, they wouldn't have short
off seasons. They wouldn't keep reducing off seasons, they wouldn't
even keep reducing hitting during the off season, because the
reality is you got to hit if you're gonna play football,
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So you can't practice some of the things you need
to practice. And you need to find out about these
guys until you actually get into training camp, where you
can put pads on. I mean, that's the tough part
about this, and I'm not so sure it's even good
for their bodies to not prepare their body throughout the
course of the year for that that punishment for what
that game actually entails. And so if you kind of
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look at all of this, the entirety of the NFL
and NFLP, it's like no one's really cared about the
development piece of the product. They're just like, now, let's
just keep driving up the total revenue. How much we're generating.
That's where we're at.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I don't know that's a good thing, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I mean, it seems like they're able to continue to
maneuver and get more deals done than the relevance of
it is what it is. I mean, I would say
if we look at it, they they're the ones that
facilitate it, probably the flag football deal, being a part
of the Olympics when it gets here, different things like that.
They're trying to do more and more things to expand
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the brand. And I get it, it's a business. I
get it. I just but as a former participant, as
a former player, and I'm not you know, I'm not
on a high.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Horse, like, oh, it should be done the way that
it was.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
There's a lot of things that I didn't like when
we were playing that they could have probably did better.
But I just say this. I mean I played against
guys like Jerome Bettis and Eddie George and Fred Taylor.
I had to get around guys like Larry Allen and
Tony Boselli and you know, flows Al Adams and guys
like that. Like if I'm not getting prepared to be
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able to tackle those guys, I don't know what that
feels like. When I get into the game, I really
like and I'm just being honest, Like there's one thing
to thud up in which they call thudding. You make
contact with the guy, You show that you're there to
make the play, but you don't take the guy. You
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don't wrap them up, you don't take them down. They
don't want you to injure anybody in the situation. I
don't know what that looks like in a real game
where the hole opens up and Eddie George is coming
through that hole, I don't know what that looks like.
If if Lorenzo O'Neil is coming through that hole, or
Sam gash is coming through that hole to block me.
I don't know what that looks like. Now you know
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what I mean? Like, what does that feel like? You
don't find out about yourself really until you get into
a game.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, but you know what's f uugh about it? The
NFL doesn't care as long as somebody can gamble on it. Well,
there you go, like you deal with it, like we're
trying to make money. Some people can gamble on these games.
And the second that got brought in, the whole game change.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Believe you me, if you haven't done enough work in
practice to prepare for a guy like and listen, they
don't have this anymore. But you haven't. You haven't actually
figured out how to bring a guy like Mike Alstock
to the ground, then good luck. And that's like the
equivalent probably of like a Derek Henry right now. You know,
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good luck. You get into the game, y'all haven't done
no real hitting, no real thumping, and and you got
some of these these offensive linemen out here that are
you know, clearly able to you know, the kid in Detroit,
who's that kid? He'd be freaking mowing people down the Montgomery, No,
the the Lineman that they drafted. Like, you get guys
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like that out there, like, how are you handling that
once you get into the game.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
By the way, I got to give you credit man
your comp for Mike Alstats, Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
No, I said guys like that, though I'm saying that
is that that guys like that like, think about it.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I gave you Jerome Bettis they called him.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
The bus But like you, you fit the criteria of
how we do comps on this show where it can't
be the same race, it's got to be opposite.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, no, I don't do that. I wasn't even working
for a comp that way. I was like thinking of
bigger backs that you have to deal with, Like that's
That's what I'm saying. So during my time playing, there
were bigger backs, so and and the crazy thing is
is that you could think, oh, well, I have a
bigger back. I don't have to try to run them down.
They're just as fast as the little dudes. They just
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ain't trying to be as elusive. They're just but they're
just as fast. So I got to deal with how
fast or how quick this dude is. But I also
got to deal with how strong and how how physical
they are. How do you learn that in today's game?
How do you figure that out?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Did you go against Brandon Jacobs?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I did? How was that? That's that?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
That's probably a better comp for Derek Henry's. It hurts.
It hurts to hit them type dudes, That's what I'm saying.
So you got to understand like what you're getting yourself into.
You know, like it's like, all right, you're going to
be a bull rider, but we want to add more more.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Rodeos to your your schedule.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
We're just not going to put you on bulls too
much anymore because we don't want you to get hurt,
you know, in practice, so.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
That you could go ride the bull in in the.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Real rodeos, Like, Okay, you get on that bull, not
knowing what it feels like to get on that bull,
and you're going to have a poor product.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
She's Brandon Jacobs was six four to two sixty five.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh, he's bigger than me. Bigger than me when we
were playing, when I was yoked up, he was bigger
than me. That was my teammate my last year. Uh
in the league. That's weird. Watching the dude be so big, man,
I'm telling you, but that's all of them. I mean,
Eddie George was that big. Jerome Bettis wasn't as tall,
but he's that big. Fred Taylor not as tall, but
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big and strong like you had some real like Sewn
Alexander wasn't little like these guys were not little backs.
Like how many little backs were there? Like wark Donne
was a little back.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Like you had.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You had some of those guys like uh, Brian Westbrook
was a little back, but you had like Deuce McAllister,
big back, big backs. You don't have little backs in
today's NFL. But you're just not hitting. Is just not
They don't place a premium on this on the physicality
of what the game represents anymore. And it's just kind
of sad, to be honest, because you built the reputation
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off of highlights of guys getting maimed, bruised, hammer destroyed.
You built the brand off of it. Most of these
guys in the Hall of Fame, especially defenders, they would
not be in the Hall of Fame in today's NFL,
just purely based off of the rules and the way
they've legislated the physicality of the game out. You know,
it's taking it out. It's just you built the brand
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on that. But now it's not good enough because what
because the product doesn't matter anymore. It's crazy, man, it's
crazy to me.
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Yeah, well, hey, it's better in some things out there.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here off.
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You that's nice, right, So let's just keep piling on
good people here, all right, it's coming up next here
from the tiraq dot Com studios. Somebody has made their decision,
and they have made the decision that makes more sense
financially than it does professionally.
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We'll get into that for you right here on FSR.
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
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Comeing up.
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A little over fifteen minutes from now. We're going to
hand out an award on this show. It'll be award
season here for us again here from the tire Rak
dot com studios. So there was a decision made in
the world of college basketball. JT Top and one of
the better players down the stretch in the NCAAA. He decided,
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you know what, go ahead and stick around another year.
I'm gonna go ahead and stick around another year. He
has decided to return for his third season in college.
So he is going to be coming back to Texas
Tech and he will forego the opportunity to go to
the NBA. Some draft experts have said that he's kind
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of a fringe first round pick. I think ESPN had
him in their mock draft. Is a second round pick.
He's got a lot of talent, but some people have
said part of the decisioning here, decision making here is
because of the nil commitment, which I think is what
around four million dollars or something like that that he's
going to be receiving. So it's kind of nice for
(23:31):
all the you know, there is some criticism to NIL
and what it's done to college sports, but a guy
like that, who's a fringe first round pick can come back,
develop more and still get four million dollars at the
college level.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
I think it's a really interesting topic because we're seeing
this whole process play out and I'm not sure it's
supposed to work this way. And then here's why I
say this. Look, he's a sophomore, so he's coming back
for his junior year, which you know, again four years
of eligibility. So there's nothing wrong with him coming back,
(24:06):
just from that perspective, like, forget the money side of things.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
He's going to be a junior now.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
He was the Big twelve Player of the year, and
so he's got the talent ability obviously to go.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
To the NBA.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
But NIL was not created, at least in my opinion,
it was not created to keep student athletes who want
to become professional athletes from leaving college and going to
start that profession. So the interesting thing about this is
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if there wasn't NIL, if there wasn't the ability for
Texas Tech and their collective and they're one specific boosters
got deep pockets to be able to fund this, he'd
be gone and he's working on preparing himself for the
NBA Combine and the NBA Draft and a lot of
those workouts that come along with it. There's a part
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of me that says it's a little messed up because
you're taking away that opportunity from someone else, Like there's
a scholarship there, there's an opportunity there for someone else
that no longer exists because of the system that we've created.
And maybe that's not the right way this should work out,
but this is the world we're living in now. So
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if you looked at what he would have made had
he been drafted the first overall selection, which you know
Toppen was not looked at as that. But they'll make
roughly thirteen point nine million, the fifth overall pick roughly
nine point one million, the tenth about six point five,
and the twentieth, So essentially to your point, jonas of
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where people have slotted him, he could make four point
one if he was the twentieth overall pick in the
NBA draft. That's about the numbers based on the research.
So he's essentially saying, like, I don't feel like I
would have gone higher than twentieth. And so that's the
number that keeps me back here at Texas Tech allows
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me to develop by you know, and become more than
just a post player and continue to develop his skill sets.
So if in when he is drafted in the future,
he can maybe approve upon that number. So it's a
it's an awesome strategy. It's great for him, But there
is a part of me that thinks back to the
days we played LeVar and goes, yeah, but you're taking up.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
A spot from someone else.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Like usually when you had the opportunity, you had the
chance to go pro, you went pro, unless you want
to come back and like finish your degree that was
one of the other factors, or maybe you know, come.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
Back to try to win to a national championship, all
this stuff. But you're gonna see this more, like more
than ever before.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
I think you're starting to see it, at least in
football with guys who are kind of like Lai round picks,
can they improve to mid round Most guys I think
in football who are slated to be first round picks
typically take the opportunity to go, and it's a part
because they have been compensated to the magnitude that we're
talking about.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
But I think we're.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Approaching that point where even quarterbacks at the Carson Beck
and some of the rumors, what he's Geet paid in
Bryce Underwood, the kid at Michigan, what he's supposedly signed
up for and paid. There's going to come a time
where a guy's not going to decide to go out
in the draft because he's gonna be compensated so much
to come back.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
And stay for another year in football.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
And I don't know what that number is going to be,
because the first overall pick is, you know, a guaranteed
thirty some million, and the signing bonus should be pretty
substantial more than that. But maybe at some point there'll
be a booster that wants to actually open up his
pocket and pay that sort of money to keep a
guy for a year.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think for now, these are exceptions to the rule.
If we see more and more and more, if we
see the numbers, if this becomes more of a norm
where where people are staying, then I think it turns
into a bigger conversation I definitely agree that if a guy,
especially with the transfer portal being the way that it is,
(28:08):
it has totally changed the way that some of these
young people coming out of high school are navigating getting scholarships,
Like it has totally changed recruiting forever. But in terms
of a guy who's really good enough to go to
the pros and stays in school, I mean, we've seen
(28:28):
it a ton of times based off of academics, but
we've never seen it based off of compensation. So I
think if it becomes a thing, which I mean there's
no reason to think that it wouldn't become a thing
if you have a guy that is as popular as
some of these guys may be in school, and what
(28:51):
they may be able to leverage, Like I mean, we
look at some of the numbers of the NIL and
maybe it's being based upon and what what has to
come out in terms of what a sum is like
what they would get from an nil, you know, deal
with the collective or with of a prominent booster or alump.
(29:13):
But you got to think this thing is going to
continue to evolve as well, and you're you'll be able
to make money off of products, off of services you know,
it could be a there could be any given amount
of things. I mean, Travis Hunter launched his podcast during
this year. You know, there's the idea of you could
generate a ton of money off of sponsorship and ad
(29:36):
dollars connected to the audience. I mean, how many people
you think we're doing unique downloads and you know whatever
listening to his podcast. So there are a lot of
different ways to start monetizing yourself as an athlete now.
But again I still think that that is more of
these are talking You're we're talking about exceptions to the rule.
(29:58):
We're not talking about this. This has become the standard
of how it's being done.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I wonder how many former players left early because they
needed to help their family financially or needed to and
could have used another year of development, or could have
used staying in longer. That if what they would have
had this is an option, it would have changed the
course of their life, of their career, and maybe they
(30:24):
would make a little bit of money, still be able
to help out, but still get that development they need.
And so I just look at it from that point
I go, you know, maybe that aspect aspect of it
is a good thing as far as staying too long
and taking up a spot from somebody else. Like I
just wonder how many people look at this and say, listen,
I know, maybe I can't make as much if I
(30:46):
were to come out right now, but in the long run.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
This is better for me, So I'll take money as
a real separator. I mean, that's always been the key
to all of this, right, like even in finding recruiting,
voilations or whatever it may be. Like, honey and benefits
have always been the root of all evil connected to
college athletics. So the idea of it is is that
(31:08):
you think to yourself, the moment I can monetize myself,
I'm going to do it. And that means going pro
some people. I mean, look at Mars Mary's Claret and
how his career played out, and that all played out
just because the dude wanted to go pro so that
he can help his family. I mean, so these things
are always going to be age age old discussions. But
(31:32):
I do think that that fine line of knowing that
you know, I gotta go pro if I'm going to
get paid versus you know, if I stay in college,
what are the benefits to staying in college? And you
have to base it off as something totally different than
financial gain, other than to say I'll get financial gained
later on, whether that's through playing ball or through you know,
(31:56):
you go figure. You know, there are educational can oponents
of it where the things that you went to school
for you could actually build up to go make money
off of that coming out of college. Like there is
that idea, you know, in academia. So it could be
based off of your major, could be based off of
what you can do in the game of football. You're
(32:16):
going to live if you're blessed enough, you're going to
live more life than you're going to play play football,
right if we're just keeping it to football, But this
is basketball. I mean you'll play a lot of You
could play a lot of basketball. And clearly we talked
about golf. You could play golf till you die. You know,
you just gotta be athletic enough to get out of
the bed, I guess and put on your depends. But yeah,
(32:41):
I'm just saying you're looking at you You're looking at
the longevity of playing a professional sport versus putting yourself
in position academically to be able to create a life
for yourself. Well, beyond playing playing the sport. I mean,
those are things that you got to take into consideration.
So I think that it's more more or less looking
at it from the standpoint of that differentiator is not
(33:04):
there anymore, the money different the differentiator is not there.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
You weren't impressed with Jack Nicholas's swing there at what
is he eighty four? Eighty five years old?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I mean, I'm just joking, it's not even a big deal.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Do you think you could beat Jack Nicholas and golf?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I think I could beat his ass down. Yeah, how
about that?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I wonder what he would shoot right now?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I mean I don't know, I'd be thinking like maybe
a forty four you know, forty four cow Jesus Desert eagle.
What with talons? You said, Well, I'm gonna shoot. Oh,
I got you on forty six bro, either my burner
or my burner.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Wow. That'll wrap up our coverage of the Edil situation.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
And to JT.
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Oh yeah, what about them? They're kind of close to
your your saying I told you out to fit right in.
Let's fit right in.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I mean he looks like an Easter egg bag.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
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Speaker 3 (37:02):
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(37:27):
you know.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
He's emotional, Okay, he loves Dallas about what he loves Dallas.
He's crying about the fact that Michael Finley grabbed the
beer out of his hand and then the next thing,
you know, he ends up out of out of Dallas
like and by the.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Way that beer is it was a sapporo.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
It's not like you know, those are really good, Okay,
Zappanese beer.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Right, Yeah, but yeah, that's kind of.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I used to get them all the time when I
went to Benni Hannas.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Yeah, if you go to like get like sushi or
something like that, I can understand it. Nobody's going to
a liquor store and saying I need a six pack
or something. I mean, you're drinking support expensive beer. If
you're not, that's not having sushi.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Or I'll drink or kieran k I r I n
k if that's how you pronounce it.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, I definitely know about big bottles.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Yeah, but that's just a sushi beer, right, You're not
to have to be sushi.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
It's really good beer. Have you ever tried it? Yeah,
it's good.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
You don't like it, it's fine.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
It's fine if you're having sushi, but it's not something
like a I want to pick something.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That's got a good taste to it. Just drink yourself.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yeah, try putting soy sauce in it. What.
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I know, it sounds crazy, but.
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It's a thing.
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You got to hit the button on yourself. Yeah, I
mean that you got to hit the button. You gotta
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Thank you on the rim or something's going geez.
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Scrimming it with sabby and spiking it with soy sauce
like that, It might be the most racist thing I've
ever heard in my entire life on this show. That
has beat everything.
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He said.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
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will say, this is the best ever.
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So the NFL's got this thing. Eighteen games are really
trying to push hard for really trying to push hard
for it. And apparently Georgia Tala, who's the former NFLPA
(02:05):
Chief of External Affairs, he spoke with Mike Florio and
he explained the rationale for the eighteen games coming sooner
rather than later.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
I think there is a massive push by the owners
to get to a place where they can time it
with the last of the you know, with the expiration
of the TV deals, the upcoming broadcast deals, and this
eighteen game thing look a little bit of history. They
wanted it. In two thousand and nine, they directly stated
(02:37):
that they wanted to lock players out in twenty eleven,
which was one of their goals was to get eighteen games.
The twenty eleven deal prevented them from doing that, and
the twenty twenty deal prevented them from going to eighteen
without collective bargaining and bargaining a new CBA. So when
you look at the landscape of media and broadcast rights
(03:01):
moving forward, and this ties in, I think to the
international opportunity. My gut tells me that they're going to
want to time a new collective bargaining agreement with eighteen
games around the broadcast deals or before that, so that
they can get one last, potentially one last consolidated set
of media deals before you know, who knows when the
(03:23):
next fracturing of media and streaming is going to come.
And that's why I think it's going to be before.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
So that was Georgia Tala talking with Mike Florio about
the potential of eighteen games coming here in the next
few years. It's just a foregone conclusion at this point, right, Like,
is there any confidence whatsoever that the players are going
to put up enough of a fight that we don't
get to eighteen games?
Speaker 7 (03:46):
Well, they're not going to fight it. The question is like,
what do you ask for back in return? I mean,
guys like Miles Garrett already have in their contract how
their compensation compensation would increase with an eighteen game, so
they're preparing for it. It's just you know, is this
is this move one that the players have already conceded
(04:09):
to the owners because of the language and the CBA,
or I should say the NFL PA has already conceded
to the owners and just said, well, yeah, we'll figure
it out whenever they want to do it. I mean
the strategy sound. I mean if you think about it
from the owner's perspective and you keep trying to raise
that bottom line.
Speaker 8 (04:28):
And that's really what Roger.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Goodell's been tasked with since he's taken over as commissioner
of the NFL. Is let's maximize how many games we
can plan a season.
Speaker 8 (04:38):
I have a hard time believe and they'll get the twenty.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Maybe in ten years they will be playing twenty games
and we won't have any preseason. But eighteen feels like
with the calendar the way it work, I mean, what
we would bump back to Presidence Day weekend, that would
essentially be you know, Super Bowl Sunday, then.
Speaker 8 (04:55):
You have Monday off as a holiday, and that'd.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Be nice for probably everyone involved who watches it it
and participates and being part of the Super Bowl parties
and festivities. That that, in a perfect world is probably
what this, you know, the schedule looks like. But to me,
it's this might be your one of your last and
only shots if you are a player to then get
(05:18):
something that significant from the owners, because they're going to
use this to be able to take a huge jump
in what they're going to make in the TV media writes.
Deal is probably when they opt out in twenty twenty nine,
and that's when you're going to see a huge shift
as well in how we consume it. It might not
be your linear television networks. It might be it might
(05:39):
it might end up being your streaming networks, and that
you know, again, we'll see we're at twenty twenty five now.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
There's obviously obviously.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
Some issues we've talked about with betting and being able
to you know, have people place bets because of the
you know, buffering with streaming and you know, the lag
time and all of that. But that is a real
possibility as you look at Netflix wanting to get more involved,
Amazon want to get more involved, and who knows, like
what other streaming platform could get into the mix as well.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I just wonder what is the benefit for the play.
I mean, I know the players can make more money,
they throw more money into it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I get that, But.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Like eighteen twenty games, like, at what point do you
get to one.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The oversaturation point? And two.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
We have all these conversations surrounding the safety of the game,
and you start to wonder, like all the rules and
legislation going towards you know, the conversations about what takes place,
what's allowed to take place within the game, how physical
the game is, how physicality has been legislated pretty much
(06:57):
out of the game. At what point do you say
the altering of the product or or some would say
the evolution of the product. At what point do you say,
for the sake of having more of of it, you
sacrifice what the essence of what the game has represented.
(07:21):
Like that's for me, That's what I start the more
I listen to adding more games. I mean, I mean,
you're barely able to physically make it out when when
it was sixteen, you were barely physically able to make
it out of that, especially if you have playoff runs.
So now you're getting to a point of where you're
taking the regular season to that many games, and it's
(07:43):
an it's not like a whole lot more that you're adding,
but in football terms, I think it is. I think
it is a lot more. And so again I asked
the question, are you sacrificing what football represents. I'd rather
have a more physical game and have less of them,
then have a less physical game and have more of them.
(08:05):
And it's justified to have more because the practices aren't
as hard, the physicality isn't as much, and you know,
the injuries, like you could talk about how the injuries
are going. Now. I wonder how much this touch push
has to do with like you know, oh, it's not
about just necessarily you know, it's a nont it's an
unstoppable play. Maybe it has everything to do with continuing
(08:28):
the narrative of how much this game is being cleaned
up into being a more consumable game by moms, by
younger people because the physicality of it isn't there.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
We haven't heard the narratives that we're.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Out there when when the CTE and the concussions hit
the media. We haven't really heard those conversations in the
ferocity that we did back then. I mean, if you
think about it, the NFL has done a pretty damn
good job of getting through the concussion era of what
(09:07):
the media was really focused in on, what the consumer
was really focused then on. So now you're not talking
about concussions like you did before. You're just talking about
other things, and other things being adding more games. It's
kind of crazy, man, It's kind of to me. It's
kind of crazy to think that you go from there
to now you're adding more games, which means there's more
(09:29):
opportunities for those concussions, more opportunities for those injuries to
take place that are taking place in the game that
people had problems with, like what seven eight years ago?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Maybe i'd forgotten, but I didn't. I didn't realize that they've.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Been pushing for eighteen games since as you mentioned, all
the way back to two thousand and nine. This has
been that long they've been trying to get to this point,
and you know, they got to seventeen a few years ago.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
But I didn't.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
I didn't realize that this had been a push by
the NFL, by the own for as long as it was,
and it just feels like we're at the point now
or where it's gonna happen. It'll happen in the next couple
of years, and they'll just reduce more practice time, reduce
more offseason commitments needed, or I don't know how that works.
(10:17):
But when you mentioned the physicality back when it was
sixteen and it was difficult to get through, that was
if you would have had the practicing and all the
other things outside of the games the way it is
now back then, how much easier getting through this?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I mean, clearly it's probably made it easier to get through.
But are you better? Is it better? Is it a
better product? Are are these guys better? I would I
would say I look at some of the things that
that take place on football fields, and it's clearly not.
It's not as good. It's not better. You know, I
feel like tackling is poor. It's not it's not it's
(10:56):
not better. You don't see guys doing better at tackling.
You know, there's certain things. I feel like some of
the injuries that take places because they don't have enough
physicality in practice or there isn't enough physical play in
terms of, you know, acclimating yourself to plan playing the
game of football. But again, the game of football is
(11:17):
rapidly changing as well, so it's hard to say Jonas,
I think it's hard to say that that you know,
one way or the other that okay, it's you know,
are you better off doing it approaching it the way
that you are now with less practice, more time, more downtime,
you know, less, less practices, like there were three we
(11:38):
at one point in time, you had three practices and
two of them were in pads. Like at one point
in time in football, you practice three times during the day.
One was more defensive oriented, one was more offensive oriented,
and then the last one, usually at night, was more
special teams oriented. And you probably do like a little
(12:02):
scrimmage or something like that and you be done. But
you're talking about a process that took all day long
and all night long, and they don't do those things anymore.
But has that made the game better. I don't know
that it's made the product better. I mean, it's being consumed,
like you said, it's going into two streaming platforms, so
(12:23):
it's expanding. I just don't know, you know, adding games
at some point like eighteen, like shut it down.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
This is why the product doesn't quite matter, because I'm
with you. I feel like, even like if you're looking
at a quarterback play, you know a lot of quarterbacks
who are coming into the league, it's a big adjustment
or the team has to adjust their offense to fit
the quarterback because you know, they can't you know, they
can't do the things that they once were asked to do,
(12:54):
or they don't have the time in the offseason to
teach them the way they need to, so they just say,
all right, shoot, let's just put in an offense that
is similar what they had in college. I mean, that's
that's a reality for some teams. But the reason why
I feel like the product doesn't matter quite as much
is because.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
We live in a world now where.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Everything's broken up into like some quick highlights you see
on social media. Like no one watches the entire game.
No one reads the entire book.
Speaker 8 (13:21):
They have the.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Cliff notes they go see, you know, they don't listen
to the entire podcast. They hear like a two minute clip,
three minute clip. They form their opinion off that they
read one hundred and fifty word tweet on X Like
that's the reality.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
Of the world we live in.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
So, like when you talk about streaming platforms and how
like they're getting involved, Yeah, of course, because they just
cut up the content, they throw it out there, they
make a few you know, splash highlight plays and people are.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
Like, oh, yeah, that's great. It's like, well, it's not.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
As good as it once was, you know, technically speaking,
but sure, yeah, that's it's good. I mean, that's that's
that's the part of the issue is the NFL owners
have never been and concern with development, Like they've never
been concerned about saying, oh, this is you know, bad
for the league if we don't have more development. And
(14:09):
by the way, the NFLPA has never been concerned with development.
And people can take issue with me saying that, but
if they really cared about it, they wouldn't have short
off seasons. They wouldn't keep reducing off seasons, they wouldn't
even keep reducing hitting during the off season, because the
reality is you got to hit if you're gonna play football,
(14:31):
So you can't practice some of the things you need
to practice. And you need to find out about these
guys until you actually get into training camp, where you
can put pads on. I mean, that's the tough part
about this, and I'm not so sure it's even good
for their bodies to not prepare their body throughout the
course of the year for that that punishment for what
that game actually entails. And so if you kind of
(14:54):
look at all of this, the entirety of the NFL
and NFLP, it's like no one's really cared about the
development piece of the product. They're just like, now, let's
just keep driving up the total revenue. How much we're generating.
That's where we're at.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I don't know that's a good thing, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I mean, it seems like they're able to continue to
maneuver and get more deals done than the relevance of
it is what it is. I mean, I would say
if we look at it, they they're the ones that
facilitate it, probably the flag football deal, being a part
of the Olympics when it gets here, different things like that.
They're trying to do more and more things to expand
(15:35):
the brand. And I get it, it's a business. I
get it. I just but as a former participant, as
a former player, and I'm not you know, I'm not
on a high.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Horse, like, oh, it should be done the way that
it was.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
There's a lot of things that I didn't like when
we were playing that they could have probably did better.
But I just say this. I mean I played against
guys like Jerome Bettis and Eddie George and Fred Taylor.
I had to get around guys like Larry Allen and
Tony Boselli and you know, flows Al Adams and guys
like that. Like if I'm not getting prepared to be
(16:12):
able to tackle those guys, I don't know what that
feels like. When I get into the game, I really
like and I'm just being honest, Like there's one thing
to thud up in which they call thudding. You make
contact with the guy, You show that you're there to
make the play, but you don't take the guy. You
(16:33):
don't wrap them up, you don't take them down. They
don't want you to injure anybody in the situation. I
don't know what that looks like in a real game
where the hole opens up and Eddie George is coming
through that hole, I don't know what that looks like.
If if Lorenzo O'Neil is coming through that hole, or
Sam gash is coming through that hole to block me.
I don't know what that looks like. Now you know
(16:55):
what I mean? Like, what does that feel like? You
don't find out about yourself really until you get into
a game.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, but you know what's f uugh about it? The
NFL doesn't care as long as somebody can gamble on it. Well,
there you go, like you deal with it, like we're
trying to make money. Some people can gamble on these games.
And the second that got brought in, the whole game change.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Believe you me, if you haven't done enough work in
practice to prepare for a guy like and listen, they
don't have this anymore. But you haven't. You haven't actually
figured out how to bring a guy like Mike Alstock
to the ground, then good luck. And that's like the
equivalent probably of like a Derek Henry right now. You know,
(17:38):
good luck. You get into the game, y'all haven't done
no real hitting, no real thumping, and and you got
some of these these offensive linemen out here that are
you know, clearly able to you know, the kid in Detroit,
who's that kid? He'd be freaking mowing people down the Montgomery, No,
the the Lineman that they drafted. Like, you get guys
(18:04):
like that out there, like, how are you handling that
once you get into the game.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
By the way, I got to give you credit man
your comp for Mike Alstats, Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
No, I said guys like that, though I'm saying that
is that that guys like that like, think about it.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I gave you Jerome Bettis they called him.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
The bus But like you, you fit the criteria of
how we do comps on this show where it can't
be the same race, it's got to be opposite.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, no, I don't do that. I wasn't even working
for a comp that way. I was like thinking of
bigger backs that you have to deal with, Like that's
That's what I'm saying. So during my time playing, there
were bigger backs, so and and the crazy thing is
is that you could think, oh, well, I have a
bigger back. I don't have to try to run them down.
They're just as fast as the little dudes. They just
(18:53):
ain't trying to be as elusive. They're just but they're
just as fast. So I got to deal with how
fast or how quick this dude is. But I also
got to deal with how strong and how how physical
they are. How do you learn that in today's game?
How do you figure that out?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Did you go against Brandon Jacobs?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I did? How was that? That's that?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
That's probably a better comp for Derek Henry's. It hurts.
It hurts to hit them type dudes, That's what I'm saying.
So you got to understand like what you're getting yourself into.
You know, like it's like, all right, you're going to
be a bull rider, but we want to add more more.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Rodeos to your your schedule.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
We're just not going to put you on bulls too
much anymore because we don't want you to get hurt,
you know, in practice, so.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
That you could go ride the bull in in the.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Real rodeos, Like, Okay, you get on that bull, not
knowing what it feels like to get on that bull,
and you're going to have a poor product.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
She's Brandon Jacobs was six four to two sixty five.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh, he's bigger than me. Bigger than me when we
were playing, when I was yoked up, he was bigger
than me. That was my teammate my last year. Uh
in the league. That's weird. Watching the dude be so big, man,
I'm telling you, but that's all of them. I mean,
Eddie George was that big. Jerome Bettis wasn't as tall,
but he's that big. Fred Taylor not as tall, but
(20:18):
big and strong like you had some real like Sewn
Alexander wasn't little like these guys were not little backs.
Like how many little backs were there? Like wark Donne
was a little back.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Like you had.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You had some of those guys like uh, Brian Westbrook
was a little back, but you had like Deuce McAllister,
big back, big backs. You don't have little backs in
today's NFL. But you're just not hitting. Is just not
They don't place a premium on this on the physicality
of what the game represents anymore. And it's just kind
of sad, to be honest, because you built the reputation
(20:56):
off of highlights of guys getting maimed, bruised, hammer destroyed.
You built the brand off of it. Most of these
guys in the Hall of Fame, especially defenders, they would
not be in the Hall of Fame in today's NFL,
just purely based off of the rules and the way
they've legislated the physicality of the game out. You know,
it's taking it out. It's just you built the brand
(21:18):
on that. But now it's not good enough because what
because the product doesn't matter anymore. It's crazy, man, it's
crazy to me.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, well, hey, it's better in some things out there.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here off.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Better than Augusta. No, it's not. No. By the way,
we're about.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Twenty minutes away from teeing off there to Augusta National. Man,
if you guys would have treated Live Bet Jesus better
throughout the course of the year, maybe he'd make an
appearance on this show.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
But again he only hands out losers.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Buddy, I don't want to tell.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
You that's nice, right, So let's just keep piling on
good people here, all right, it's coming up next here
from the tiraq dot Com studios. Somebody has made their decision,
and they have made the decision that makes more sense
financially than it does professionally.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
We'll get into that for you right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Comeing up.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
A little over fifteen minutes from now. We're going to
hand out an award on this show. It'll be award
season here for us again here from the tire Rak
dot com studios. So there was a decision made in
the world of college basketball. JT Top and one of
the better players down the stretch in the NCAAA. He decided,
(22:48):
you know what, go ahead and stick around another year.
I'm gonna go ahead and stick around another year. He
has decided to return for his third season in college.
So he is going to be coming back to Texas
Tech and he will forego the opportunity to go to
the NBA. Some draft experts have said that he's kind
(23:10):
of a fringe first round pick. I think ESPN had
him in their mock draft. Is a second round pick.
He's got a lot of talent, but some people have
said part of the decisioning here, decision making here is
because of the nil commitment, which I think is what
around four million dollars or something like that that he's
going to be receiving. So it's kind of nice for
(23:31):
all the you know, there is some criticism to NIL
and what it's done to college sports, but a guy
like that, who's a fringe first round pick can come back,
develop more and still get four million dollars at the
college level.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
I think it's a really interesting topic because we're seeing
this whole process play out and I'm not sure it's
supposed to work this way. And then here's why I
say this. Look, he's a sophomore, so he's coming back
for his junior year, which you know, again four years
of eligibility. So there's nothing wrong with him coming back,
(24:06):
just from that perspective, like, forget the money side of things.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
He's going to be a junior now.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
He was the Big twelve Player of the year, and
so he's got the talent ability obviously to go.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
To the NBA.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
But NIL was not created, at least in my opinion,
it was not created to keep student athletes who want
to become professional athletes from leaving college and going to
start that profession. So the interesting thing about this is
(24:39):
if there wasn't NIL, if there wasn't the ability for
Texas Tech and their collective and they're one specific boosters
got deep pockets to be able to fund this, he'd
be gone and he's working on preparing himself for the
NBA Combine and the NBA Draft and a lot of
those workouts that come along with it. There's a part
(25:00):
of me that says it's a little messed up because
you're taking away that opportunity from someone else, Like there's
a scholarship there, there's an opportunity there for someone else
that no longer exists because of the system that we've created.
And maybe that's not the right way this should work out,
but this is the world we're living in now. So
(25:22):
if you looked at what he would have made had
he been drafted the first overall selection, which you know
Toppen was not looked at as that. But they'll make
roughly thirteen point nine million, the fifth overall pick roughly
nine point one million, the tenth about six point five,
and the twentieth, So essentially to your point, jonas of
(25:45):
where people have slotted him, he could make four point
one if he was the twentieth overall pick in the
NBA draft. That's about the numbers based on the research.
So he's essentially saying, like, I don't feel like I
would have gone higher than twentieth. And so that's the
number that keeps me back here at Texas Tech allows
(26:07):
me to develop by you know, and become more than
just a post player and continue to develop his skill sets.
So if in when he is drafted in the future,
he can maybe approve upon that number. So it's a
it's an awesome strategy. It's great for him, But there
is a part of me that thinks back to the
days we played LeVar and goes, yeah, but you're taking up.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
A spot from someone else.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Like usually when you had the opportunity, you had the
chance to go pro, you went pro, unless you want
to come back and like finish your degree that was
one of the other factors, or maybe you know, come.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
Back to try to win to a national championship, all
this stuff. But you're gonna see this more, like more
than ever before.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
I think you're starting to see it, at least in
football with guys who are kind of like Lai round picks,
can they improve to mid round Most guys I think
in football who are slated to be first round picks
typically take the opportunity to go, and it's a part
because they have been compensated to the magnitude that we're
talking about.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
But I think we're.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Approaching that point where even quarterbacks at the Carson Beck
and some of the rumors, what he's Geet paid in
Bryce Underwood, the kid at Michigan, what he's supposedly signed
up for and paid. There's going to come a time
where a guy's not going to decide to go out
in the draft because he's gonna be compensated so much
to come back.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
And stay for another year in football.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
And I don't know what that number is going to be,
because the first overall pick is, you know, a guaranteed
thirty some million, and the signing bonus should be pretty
substantial more than that. But maybe at some point there'll
be a booster that wants to actually open up his
pocket and pay that sort of money to keep a
guy for a year.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think for now, these are exceptions to the rule.
If we see more and more and more, if we
see the numbers, if this becomes more of a norm
where where people are staying, then I think it turns
into a bigger conversation I definitely agree that if a guy,
especially with the transfer portal being the way that it is,
(28:08):
it has totally changed the way that some of these
young people coming out of high school are navigating getting scholarships,
Like it has totally changed recruiting forever. But in terms
of a guy who's really good enough to go to
the pros and stays in school, I mean, we've seen
(28:28):
it a ton of times based off of academics, but
we've never seen it based off of compensation. So I
think if it becomes a thing, which I mean there's
no reason to think that it wouldn't become a thing
if you have a guy that is as popular as
some of these guys may be in school, and what
(28:51):
they may be able to leverage, Like I mean, we
look at some of the numbers of the NIL and
maybe it's being based upon and what what has to
come out in terms of what a sum is like
what they would get from an nil, you know, deal
with the collective or with of a prominent booster or alump.
(29:13):
But you got to think this thing is going to
continue to evolve as well, and you're you'll be able
to make money off of products, off of services you know,
it could be a there could be any given amount
of things. I mean, Travis Hunter launched his podcast during
this year. You know, there's the idea of you could
generate a ton of money off of sponsorship and ad
(29:36):
dollars connected to the audience. I mean, how many people
you think we're doing unique downloads and you know whatever
listening to his podcast. So there are a lot of
different ways to start monetizing yourself as an athlete now.
But again I still think that that is more of
these are talking You're we're talking about exceptions to the rule.
(29:58):
We're not talking about this. This has become the standard
of how it's being done.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I wonder how many former players left early because they
needed to help their family financially or needed to and
could have used another year of development, or could have
used staying in longer. That if what they would have
had this is an option, it would have changed the
course of their life, of their career, and maybe they
(30:24):
would make a little bit of money, still be able
to help out, but still get that development they need.
And so I just look at it from that point
I go, you know, maybe that aspect aspect of it
is a good thing as far as staying too long
and taking up a spot from somebody else. Like I
just wonder how many people look at this and say, listen,
I know, maybe I can't make as much if I
(30:46):
were to come out right now, but in the long run.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
This is better for me, So I'll take money as
a real separator. I mean, that's always been the key
to all of this, right, like even in finding recruiting,
voilations or whatever it may be. Like, honey and benefits
have always been the root of all evil connected to
college athletics. So the idea of it is is that
(31:08):
you think to yourself, the moment I can monetize myself,
I'm going to do it. And that means going pro
some people. I mean, look at Mars Mary's Claret and
how his career played out, and that all played out
just because the dude wanted to go pro so that
he can help his family. I mean, so these things
are always going to be age age old discussions. But
(31:32):
I do think that that fine line of knowing that
you know, I gotta go pro if I'm going to
get paid versus you know, if I stay in college,
what are the benefits to staying in college? And you
have to base it off as something totally different than
financial gain, other than to say I'll get financial gained
later on, whether that's through playing ball or through you know,
(31:56):
you go figure. You know, there are educational can oponents
of it where the things that you went to school
for you could actually build up to go make money
off of that coming out of college. Like there is
that idea, you know, in academia. So it could be
based off of your major, could be based off of
what you can do in the game of football. You're
(32:16):
going to live if you're blessed enough, you're going to
live more life than you're going to play play football,
right if we're just keeping it to football, But this
is basketball. I mean you'll play a lot of You
could play a lot of basketball. And clearly we talked
about golf. You could play golf till you die. You know,
you just gotta be athletic enough to get out of
the bed, I guess and put on your depends. But yeah,
(32:41):
I'm just saying you're looking at you You're looking at
the longevity of playing a professional sport versus putting yourself
in position academically to be able to create a life
for yourself. Well, beyond playing playing the sport. I mean,
those are things that you got to take into consideration.
So I think that it's more more or less looking
at it from the standpoint of that differentiator is not
(33:04):
there anymore, the money different the differentiator is not there.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
You weren't impressed with Jack Nicholas's swing there at what
is he eighty four? Eighty five years old?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I mean, I'm just joking, it's not even a big deal.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Do you think you could beat Jack Nicholas and golf?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I think I could beat his ass down. Yeah, how
about that?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I wonder what he would shoot right now?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I mean I don't know, I'd be thinking like maybe
a forty four you know, forty four cow Jesus Desert eagle.
What with talons? You said, Well, I'm gonna shoot. Oh,
I got you on forty six bro, either my burner
or my burner.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Wow. That'll wrap up our coverage of the Edil situation.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
And to JT.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Topping, good for you make a little bit of coin
before you go to the NFL. It is two pros
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on FSR.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 5 (34:40):
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Speaker 3 (34:47):
It's just what we needed, really.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Brady's got problems, man, We got problems, bro, That's all
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Bee needs some help.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
I do my research you clearly, like I am impressed
by your range of sub knowing.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Bruh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Even get it, Like, how do you have Like there's
not enough hours in the day for you to be
knowing all of like like non needing to know things
that you know, like how you know that?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I don't get it.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
There's just a bad story there.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Oh oh not not no, not like that, but like
I'm not wont to judge.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
There's a front story too.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
It's one hell of a front story, mostly front Jesus Well.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Coming up a little over ten minutes from now here
from the i iraq dot com, we are going to
uh get an update. We are going to get an
update on what is really topic A on this show,
So we'll.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Get into that for you getting up.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Here a little lower over ten minutes from now. It
is time now to hand out an award though. Congratulations
to Luca who gets our Express pros Pro of the
Week and why you ask because of this.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
Now we're going to go down to the feet all
the Luca as to all the all the magic they
had witnessed for the years that he was here.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
What a night, what a homecoming.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
Listening to the cloud list, listen to the crowd. They're
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Doncic with forty five points on his return to face
his former team, the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
That'll be uh see the color of them pants out Augusta.
Oh yeah, what about them? They're kind of close to
your your saying I told you out to fit right in.
Let's fit right in.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I mean he looks like an Easter egg bag.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
But Pastel's man, Pastel's working golf, all right.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I just gotta let it, let it fly of a.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
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(37:27):
you know.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
He's emotional, Okay, he loves Dallas about what he loves Dallas.
He's crying about the fact that Michael Finley grabbed the
beer out of his hand and then the next thing,
you know, he ends up out of out of Dallas
like and by the.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Way that beer is it was a sapporo.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
It's not like you know, those are really good, Okay,
Zappanese beer.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Right, Yeah, but yeah, that's kind of.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I used to get them all the time when I
went to Benni Hannas.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Yeah, if you go to like get like sushi or
something like that, I can understand it. Nobody's going to
a liquor store and saying I need a six pack
or something. I mean, you're drinking support expensive beer. If
you're not, that's not having sushi.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Or I'll drink or kieran k I r I n
k if that's how you pronounce it.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, I definitely know about big bottles.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Yeah, but that's just a sushi beer, right, You're not
to have to be sushi.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
It's really good beer. Have you ever tried it? Yeah,
it's good.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
You don't like it, it's fine.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
It's fine if you're having sushi, but it's not something
like a I want to pick something.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That's got a good taste to it. Just drink yourself.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yeah, try putting soy sauce in it. What.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I know, it sounds crazy, but.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
It's a thing.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
You got to hit the button on yourself. Yeah, I
mean that you got to hit the button. You gotta
hit the button. I'm sorry, you have to hit the button.
You gotta hit it, go and hit it.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Thank you on the rim or something's going geez.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Scrimming it with sabby and spiking it with soy sauce
like that, It might be the most racist thing I've
ever heard in my entire life on this show. That
has beat everything.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
By the way, my buddy just texted me he listens
to the show. He's a fireman. Nice, Hey, thanks for
your service. Does fine work. I don't think he did anything,
but does fine work.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
He said.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
It's nothing like a frosty beer at Islands, which I
will say, this is the best ever.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
That is a winner every ten out of ten.
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