April 18, 2025 • 50 mins
2 Pros and a Cup of Joe fill in for Dan Patrick, and applaud Aaron Rodgers for airing out the dysfunction the Jets. The guys agree with the importance of mentoring young QB’s. Plus, Travis Hunter is not a realistic dual-threat in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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way tire buying should be. Hell yeah, on a Friday,
I'm talking about it. Got my mouth surgery yesterday. It
was emergency surgery. Wait, what my tooth is the tooth
with the iron mask? You know, like like the movie
they put iron in there. They said, dude, like, what
(01:13):
the frick? Like, we didn't make it to the crown.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You destroyed your dentist as surfer. No, no, no, I
was like, bro, is like, Bro, you jacked your tooth
totally up while we were waiting for your permanent crown.
Now we got to order you a whole, an entirely
different crown for your tooth. You know that isn't how
he talks though he's super cool dude, but he had
(01:38):
to really do some work because I fractured my tooth.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
This is gonna come off as sound like a d bag,
but I'm gonna go ahead and do it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I'm very ignorant when it comes.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
To teeth, despite the fact that my father in law
is orthodonists. But I never asked questions about it, mostly
because I really don't care. But but like, what so
the crowns for a while, if you have a cavity or.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Something, I had to get a root canal. Yeah, so
they had, So you get a root canal. When again,
a cavity, you have to yeah something. No, they don't
remove it. They just like drill to the the nerve
and then like yeah to the root. Yeah. And then
they like killed the nerve and then they let it heal,
and then they put a crown on it, and it's
(02:20):
like nothing ever happened, you know. But I had a
temporary crown on because I'm getting a gold and I
hear maybe that's the moral of the story. I was,
I'm getting a matching goal. A goal, yeah, but it's
in the back. It's in the back.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Why would okay, hold on, this is great, We're gonna
break the style. Why would you want to get a
gold tooth and that no one's going to see in
the back?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Gods, I can, right, but no one's ever going to
see it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So what do you like? I smile pretty big, que
and I gotta I already have one gold. Have you
ever saw a gold tooth in my in my mouth?
Like when I smile, smile enough around, shut up? Some
people might see it, you know, almost cursed on looking
(03:13):
deep back in there. That's correct, that's correct. So if
you see it, if you see it, you know, it's
because she was really in my mouth. But I'm gonna
get another one on the opposite side of matching one.
And I was waiting on it. And while I was
waiting on it, I guess, I was. I was sitting around.
I was. I know, I'm not supposed to chew nuts,
(03:35):
but I wouldn't as I was chewing on nut clusters
and then I fractured my tue.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Okay, but which one can't be a cashew? Cashews too?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It was it was a cluster, so it was almonds,
it was cashws, it was sunflower seeds, and it's like
put together and like dar kind of like that. But
they're like they're keto. They're Keto though, so they're pretty good.
But yes, yes, And I was just sitting there and
(04:09):
I was chewing and I bit and I felt it boom,
like I fractured it too. I didn't even know you
could fracture too. I just thought you break it, which
a fracture is a break, I guess, But I mean,
I don't know. I'd never heard that terminology use. And
it scared me, you know. I was sitting there and
they were like, man, they were going through the language
of it and taking the X rays and then they
(04:30):
were like, yeah, da da, there's such and such a
bicuspics and that one is fractured. I was like, fractured.
Oh my gosh, it's ridiculous. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
My dadd has told me said, listen, nuts will get
you every time. He said, I just relax. He said
that a trick is you can take almonds and you
soak them in water to make them some if you
want to, uh, if you still want to get your
your almend fixed. All right, this is the part of
conversation where I have the jump and well, let's get
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the sports.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Come on, man, we were good until we started get
into the nuts conversations.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Too much nuts is not good for you. All right.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, you know, some would say that the Jets organization
is nuts. Some would say they've been nuts for quite
some time.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Sometimes like a nut.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And apparently it was a nutty situation and departure for
Aaron Rodgers, who spoke yesterday on the Pat McAfee show
starring AJ Hawk and Rogers decided to air out the
New York Jets and describe what the final meeting was
with Aaron Glenn with Aaron Moogie. This is entire situation debacle,
(05:45):
if you will. Here was Rogers breaking it all down.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I figured they went. I flew across country on my
own dime, but there was going to be a conversation,
and twenty seconds in he goes, I mean literally, I'm
talking to the GM about something and he leans to
the to a sheet and goes, should you want to
play football? And I was like, yeah, I'm interested, and
he said we're going a different direction in quarterback and
I was kind of shocked. Now, not shocked because I
(06:09):
didn't think that was a possibility. Listen, of course they
want to move on. That's totally fine, but shocked because
I just flew across the country. You could have told
me this on the phone. So I said huh, and
he goes, we just want to know how you want
it released the messaging and I said why And then
he said, I don't want to be up in front
of the room saying something and have guys looking back.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
At you interesting.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
And I said, what does that even mean? Are you
assuming that I would be in the back of the
room during the team meeting undermining what you're saying. I said,
you don't know me, and he said you don't know me,
and then I said exactly, which is why I flew
across the country to have a face to face meeting
with you to talk about my experience with the Jets.
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What I thought was going to be a couple hour
meeting turned into like a fifteen minute meeting, and I
walked out of there.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So there's your your final moments with the New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And was that a beef? You don't know me, homie. Look, man,
you don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
This has to look terrible for the Jets, right, Oh gosh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I mean, because here's the reality of it.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
If if that's how you're willing to deal with the
guy wh's gonna be a first Battle Hall of Famer,
how do you feel like they're gonna deal with guys
who are on the back end of the roster? I
mean as a player, and I'm not saying that like
all players like Aaron Rodgers or all players even relate
to Aaron Rodgers. He seems to have a good rapport
with his teammates. But you sit there and go, this
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is how this, this is how the team's handling this
guy like he Now, mind you, he probably flew private
like his on his own dime.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's like that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
It's not like the team's flying him there on his
jet to get there, which is a pretty petty if
you're coming from California to New York and back. Like
I would estimate, I don't know. Someone who's in the
industry would would probably correct me, tell me I'm wrong.
Minimum eighty thousand dollars on hudred thousand just for that trip.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
There and back.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Minimum, that's probably what he's spent doing it. And to
not at least want to hear from a guy who's
won or Super Bowl won what four MVPs seems to
have a different perspective on the league, but could give
some insight to Aaron Glenn who's stepping into his first
opportunity as a head coach and doesn't know this organization,
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regardless of what anyone wants to say.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Doesn't note as well as Aaron Rodgers. He's been there
the last two years.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
He's got a much better feel for the pulse of
Woody Johnson how things have operated the past.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Couple of years than Aaron Glenn does.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And he didn't want to take the time just to
pick his brand and talk to him, even if he
didn't want to see him as his quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It's kind of goes back to like the Bill Belichick
not getting more interviews, like teams didn't even want to
take the opportunity when you had a legitimate chance to
take the opportunity to pick one of the greatest football
minds mind in an interview, even if you don't want
to hire him, just bring him into at least interview
him and see what we can get from him, right knowledge,
he'll be willing to give up and maybe pour into you,
(09:02):
your organization, your leaders, whoever. And so for Aaron Glenn,
you didn't even want to do that. You're just gonna
jump right to the point. And I guess I understand
to a degree he doesn't want to waste his time.
But then to Aaron Rodgers' point, just give them a
phone call, Like if it's over like that, just give
him a phone call. This makes it look like the Jets,
(09:24):
and LaVar has said it all along, our dysfunction, but
also now it looks even more like a clown show,
and it feels like you've got a head coach who, Yeah,
maybe he has an idea of what he's trying to build,
but it almost makes it look even worse to how
this year is gonna go with Justin Fields as their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
If things don't go well, it's.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
A disaster because you had a guy you could have
brought back who's a first ballot Hall of Famer, And
so if he goes somewhere else and plays well and
not team's in the hunt, or if that and even
then like forget that, that might be even separate from
if the Jets just fall apart become a dumpster fire.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
He could be a one and done.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Like these are some of the things that start to
come out in the media where it puts more and
more pressure and makes everyone question, is this guy maybe
there's a reason why it took him so long to
become a head coach. He's been a great decordinator, he's
had a great reputation, but then you watch how he
handles this instance, this situation, I don't know, man, dysfunction,
clown show, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's the right back of the Jets are again. I
have a theory, and the theory is he is acting
off of off of the feelings of ownership. And I've
seen this happen before. I've been I've been a party
to Joe Gibbs falling victim to doing the same exact thing.
(10:51):
I was the leader of a team, I was the
face of a of a team of a franchise of
the town and due to a vendetta that was apparently
I wasn't really even aware of it, but due to
a vendetta of the owner and how he turned his
feelings on how he felt about me, he tasked someone else,
(11:16):
because he's a coward. He tasked someone else to be
his henchman, and Joe Gibbs went for it. He took
the cheese, and his coward ass did the same thing
like head behind, you know, things he shot in the
head behind, and the conversations that he and I were having,
which was interesting because if media was where it was
(11:38):
at right now, I'd have probably did the same thing
that Aaron Rodgers did and had the conversation about it,
and we probably be having the same conversation about how
you have a dysfunctional organization. I tend to believe that
Aaron Glenn and handling Aaron Rodgers was totally doing with
(12:00):
the influence of what he had already had got from
and communicated with Woody Johnson in terms of how they
made him feel, in terms of what they think took
place with Aaron Rodgers in New York, and Aaron Glenn
was executing what his feelings were towards the situation with
(12:23):
Aaron Rodgers, and did that under the influences and the
pretenses of what was fed to him once he came
to the New York Jets as their head coach. So
in a way, while we'll say, okay, maybe, as a
head coach, you don't allow for an owner or corporate
to dictate how you handle a situation. Keep your emotions
(12:46):
out of it. You are the head coach of this team.
You have to manage the relationships with these players differently.
But that could be also tongue in cheek, because we
all know this is the man that hires you. This
could be the man that fires you, whether it's a year,
whether it's two years, whatever it may be. And he's
(13:07):
already showing signs of trying to pacify dysfunction. That's my theory.
I don't think that Aaron Glenn would have wanted to
take the stance he took with Aaron Rodgers. In fact,
knowing Aaron Glenn, I would assume he would want the
best players on his team. I don't think he had
a choice. I don't think he had a choice in
(13:28):
the matter of keeping Aaron Rodgers on that roster based
upon the feelings that were going towards Aaron Rodgers and
Aaron Glenn was tasked to make that one of the
first things that he handled once taking the job.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So then Woody Johnson is still meddling in decisions, got it?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I think the influence. I think the only way you
take because let's be clear, as former players, whether you're
a coach now, whether we just you know, whatever you're
doing in your life. When we see one another, we
greet each other a certain type of way. You're not
going to like, come out, You're not going to come
out a guy, hold on, And what type of way
(14:05):
is that? It's different than anybody else? Right you say, hey,
I come in. I kind of couple you. We greet
each other very differently than everybody else. But everybody else
to us, aren't us. I mean that's I if that,
if I'm letting the fan base and people in on
a secret, I'm sorry to do that. It's not that
(14:25):
we think any less of you. It's just that we
don't think of you the same way we think of
one another. That's all. That's what I was gonna say.
Sorry you if you.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Could give me the difference between you and Jonas kind
of seeing each other.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, somewhere on the street or whatever. Then and you
and I see one another, all right. If I saw Gentinus,
I'd be like, somebody, what's going on? Brah? If I
saw you, I'd be like you, what's up? Damn? How
your body feel? Kids? Is good? Everything? Good? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
All right? Man, I was good. I was gonna you know,
and you always say it's good to see you, like
three four times when you see somebody that played, you'd
be like, man, it's good to see you, bro, man,
so good to see you.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I was gonna point out like a racial component, but
you really buckled my knees when you went to.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Brady on that. Yeah, there's no real quick real quest.
Is great Jonas, that it exceeds race. Did you see
me on the street? Why do we greet each other?
Say again, how would that would me on the street?
Hey hey Brady, little top gun, Hey hey little up
top Jonas, what's up?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Hoss?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
That's football? That's football talk though you can't use hosts. Yeah,
but that's you know, that's like maybe high school. Yeah,
we're really trying hard to be a meathead. Yeah you're Yeah,
that is sometimes cats like you try to overcompensate because
I want to be greeted that way.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But it's the same thing if I see LeVar. If
I see LeVar, I'd be like, so.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
That, you know, what's every time I see Jonas and
every time we walk together from like the set during
Radio rodor in Super Bowl, I always am like, Man,
if I had an oil can, I would try to
like just inject some oil into Jonas's joints just to
(16:23):
make him look a little smoother.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Man.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
It's just please, it's very rigid. It's a very rigid, stiff.
That's vampire joints. That's not true.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
There's zero there's like zero skip, zero limbs.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Zero anything. Because you get to where we go. Yeah,
I'm floating. All I've got in my body is blood
and it ain't mine.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You don't know the vampire life. You know what we
go through.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Here's here's what's so funny about the Rogers discussion. So
I'm seeing yesterday people are you know, laying in like,
oh God, of course it's everybody else's fault. And he's
this and that and he's pointing fingers and it's like,
I just want to say, we're not talking about like
a high functioning, well respected history of great decisions and
(17:17):
great moves and great we're talking about the Jets. Yes,
it's plausible that the meeting happened exactly how it happened.
It's not like Rogers has been known to just lie. Okay,
people could put, oh, well, you know the COVID stuff
and all. No, you just he found a loophole in
(17:37):
his messaging and that's why people are still bitter about it.
But it's not like we're talking about oh well, this
is just this is an organization that is pristine and
all they know is success him saying it about them.
So you're the one guy who's got a problem with
the way that they handle things. There, No, we've seen
this for decades. It's the same story for decades. Insert quarterback.
(18:01):
It's a disaster, drafted, signed head coach. So like, when
I hear the pushback on things he's said, look, is
he a little bit arrogant?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Is he a little bit aloof at times? Does he
want to control the messaging? Does he like the attention
but claim that he does? Probably, But it still doesn't
admonish the Jets from being palpable in this whole situation
whatever I'm trying to say, palpable in this whole situation,
that they're a disaster and they've been a disaster for years.
(18:33):
And we've brought this point up before on our show
when the first couple of moves and couple of signs
are hey, we don't want any part of this. We're
Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells saying no, we're good here.
And that was before we had any sort of intel
or information on what Woody Johnson's era with the Jets
was going to be. That should have been the indicator. Okay,
(18:56):
maybe there's something wrong here. So the pushback on Roger
I don't get because it's the Jets. They've done this
for decades and.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
They didn't even play that bad. It's to me, he's
better than Justin Fields last year. He's better than Justin Fields.
Can I point out for one instance.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Don't point out though, where I think a lot of
people have dug their feet in and it's over as
far as how they feel.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's the whole vaccination thing.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Yes, that was such a polarizing issue that there's a
lot of people who maybe they're football.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Fans, maybe they're not.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
But whenever you talk about politics, religion, things like that,
and obviously the whole vaccination deal it was polit a
size and that's why it became so polarizing. But the
way he messaged the immunized comment and how people took
that and how this people drew a line in the
(19:56):
sand back then, and they've never been willing to concede
on any of that. I mean, this is like outside
of a sports conversation, Like the people who believed in
the people who didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
They drew a line and they're not ever willing to
cross that.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Like no one's even like even right now, regardless of
whatever report comes out, whatever side you were on, they're
sticking to that. They're like, there's no way you're going
to convince them otherwise. And unfortunately, like he put himself rightfully,
so he put himself in the middle of that with
how he handled that, and I think that actually might
be the most polarizing thing that has still followed him
to this day, outside of even how he's handled things
(20:33):
with being so open and honest about, you know, things
in Green Bay and how the drafting of Jordan Love went,
or even his time with Brett Favre and everything else
up there, and now with the New York Jets and
everything else in his personal life that's become public, which
with the documentary. So to me, as much as he
is very unique as an athlete or as a quarterback
(20:55):
in the NFL, there's also an element of like that
singular thing, to me created the biggest divide for the
people who are either for Aaron Rodgers or like Aaron
Rodgers or against them. And it's kind of crazy when
you think about it, and people can say that's not true,
but you're lying, Like I see it. To this day,
there's people who still have like ruined friendships on as
(21:18):
close with their family. There's all sorts of issues from
that singular moment in time with the way people kind
of drew a line in the sand, and they're not
ever willing to cross it and they're not ever willing
to go back on whatever happened back then.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He never breaks character either though. That's I think that
that really irritates a lot of people. And if I
were a betting man, I would say the way Aaron
Rodgers conducts himself is an irritant to people. Like a
Woody Johnson, he does not break character. Oh yeah, and
he answers questions, especially almost as if it's like a riddle,
you know what I mean, Like he doesn't break character.
(21:52):
He stays in that same well you know. And and
all I wanted to say was yep, I can't you
could have done at this by the phone. Well you
don't know me. Well you're right. And and that's why
I can't like the witty comments that the comebacks. It's
not it doesn't help. It doesn't help, Like show me
(22:12):
some emotion, like I'll beat your assed like what oh
whoa Aaron Rodgers said what you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Like it is it is funny how we they don't
break character. It is funny how we pick and choose
you know who. We're still gonna punish for things that
were done and said five years ago during COVID.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
A long time ago. Yeah. Well, Woody Johnson ain't thinking
about the immunization. He's thinking about how Aaron rod tried
to ruin him. He tried to ruin me. No, he's
got there. You better get him. Someone say he's got
a vested interest, and somebody getting I can't do it myself,
you guys handling.
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Speaker 2 (23:59):
Do we have an up on the fan that was
hit by a golf ball by Billy Horschel yesterday at
that tournament whatever the tournament was, because thatth looked grotesque?
Did you see that, Brady? The guy shin who took
a golf ball while in the gallery and horn shot Horse.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I'm always a big fan though, I'm always a big
fan of those who are sticking it out, able to
kind of tough it out through it and basically providing
a backboard for professional golfers just in case they sprayed
a little bit outside of the fairway. There's always a
nice fan in there to help bounce it right back
in or at least stop.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
It right there in the rough. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He So this guy got a golf ball straight in
the shin and horseall went over. I think he outlined
it and then autographed his leg afterwards, and it is revolting.
So hopefully hopefully that that gentleman is okay and can
continue on and join the tournament, you know, at the
Gallery there whatever whatever tournament that was not named the Masters.
(24:59):
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(25:20):
depending on if the Browns are picking there or not.
Who knows, but that is the expectation that as far
as the gambling odds go, that it could be the
Browns taking Travis Hunter. And so the GM of the
Cleveland Browns, Andrew Berry, spoke about Travis Hunter's skill set
and also compared him to one of the all time
great talents that we are currently watching.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That number two pick is that's kind of how he's viewed,
is the guy that can do ball versus.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Just his one side of the other.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
No, I don't see it that way. I think it's
and I'm going to use a crossburn now, it's a
little bit like Otani, right, where you know, when he's
playing one side, he's an outstanding player. If he's a pitcher,
he's a hitter, he's an outstanding player. You obviously get
a unicorn if you use them both ways.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
All right, So he's getting the Otani comp. He hasn't
played in.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
The that's not a good yes, not a good comp.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Well, because what is otan? What does Otani play when
he's not being a picture? Well? Well done? Yeah, that
was more so his he doesn't need interpret that's like that.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
That's that sneaky shot. They're like, why do you go down?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
How do you all? Is right there?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Brady with an undercut? You know, just a little something,
a little under underneath.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I don't know. I'll say, is his normal position is
not picture correct? Doesn't he pay like shortstop or something? No? Yeah, No,
he's a d H d H picture. You know he's
not a picture all the time. Well, he's not a picture.
Don't be miss miss like leading.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Here's why, you know, if you want to say it's
not a fair comp. First of all, because Travis Hunter
hasn't done anything in the league yet, But also don't
don't do that. No, I'm just saying no, I'm just saying,
is that we have no idea if it's going to
work out, And if it's the Browns, who.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Knows, well, that's even more true.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But Otani he's working to come back. He is hoping
to pitch at some point this year, and he's a
great hitter. And so the.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Baseball players play both sides. They NBA or you know, basketball,
they play both sides, right, like you play offense and
you play defense.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
We've never seen anybody be able to pitch and hit
the way Otani has.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, but they go both ways. They do both. Well. No,
I'm not saying that's you know what I mean, like
the defense. Yeah, it's not require for you to do
both in football. So that's why I say it's a
poor comp But I mean, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
You're basically saying, like, for example, if we're counting pitching
his defense right in baseball, which it would be correct,
it'd be like him playing pitcher and like, and then
Travis Hunter playing cornerback and d end right like, that's
in essence what you're saying. I'm saying, you play both
quarter and also a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Quarterback. D n White, Dane I mean, I mean that's
the equivalent of show Hey, yeah, but I would.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
That.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah. I just think that with with Travis Hunter, you're
getting a unicorn. If he can play at a high
level and play here here, here's the thing, right, If
you play on that cornerback and he can become an
All Pro, that is phenomenal in itself. Period. If he
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plays receiver and can become an All Pro, that is
phenomenal period. You know, some of the greatest players who
have ever played this game only have like like a
handful or less than a handful of first team All
Pro bids. Right, So if you're good enough to be
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an All Pro player and on that list at your position,
that's phenomenal. Now, if you have that type of talent,
are we are we adjusting our scope? Are we saying, Okay,
he should be an All Pro corner but just be
a serviceable receiver, or should he be an All Pro
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receiver and be a serviceable cornerback? Like what are we looking?
How are we? Because again the conversation that we had
the other day when we were debating, and I know
you said, you know his status, we looked up his
stat lines or you looked up his stat lines Q
and made the point because I think t mac is
is a guy that is special at the receiver's position.
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But the point is is that if you believe that
he can be an elite playmaking receiver where he goes
number two overall in the draft, are you expecting him
to do that at both positions or is it just one?
Because I think that plays a major part in all
of this. Is it both ways or is it just
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one and serviceable to the other. Well, here's what I'd
say is right if we look at the draft.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
And people always say, oh, you get a fifty percent
chance of getting a hit on a guy in the
first round, right, people will say that, well, technically, if
he plays two positions, gotta get fifty percent chance at
either one. And so I think the position versatility or
flexibility is where the value comes in. Is if you
think he can be like he was in college, a
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top wide receiver and or a top cornerback, then it
increases your odds of hitting on that pick, of getting
a guy that is maybe a gold jacket guy at
one of those two positions. Now, if it ends up
being both, great, but from just a pure odds betting standpoint,
If you're a betting man and you're saying, I can
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increase my odds of this player being an impactful players starter,
pro bowler, All Pro, Hall of Famer at one of
two positions, it takes some pressure off of you, right.
I mean, you could play him a wide receiver if
things aren't going as well, put him at cornerback. Like
I think, I have a hard time believing that one
of those two isn't gonna stick for him, at least
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based on what I've seen on tape. Again, I keep
going back to I think his natural fit for me,
and this is just more of watching him play both.
And look, don't get me wrong, he's got natural instincts
as far as a ball catcher, a great hand, eye coordination, suddenness,
and his route running.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
But he's still very raw with.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
His route running and that's something that takes time to
develop whether you're Travis Hunt or any other wide receiver.
But as a cornerback, he just has a feel for
the game and how he sees the game and how
he sees the quarterback and how that you know, and
different route combinations. I just I feel like that position
comes to him more naturally and So all I'm saying
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is if you could take someone who proves your chances
of it being a hit as a general manager, that
goes on your resume to showcase to the owner and
everyone else that hey, this is you know, this was
a hit. This was another another hit, another one that
worked out for me as a general manager, You're gonna
take that guy. So I don't know which will end
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up playing on. Maybe the Browns will do both, like
maybe that'll be part of the intrigue for twenty twenty five.
If this is a team that's still at the bottom
of the AFC North because of the quarterback situation, at
least you're selling one of those dynamic players we've ever seen,
potentially in his rookie season trying to play both ways.
There's something to be said for that.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
If he's listed as both ways, how are you going
to pay him?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
How do you have to worry about You don't have
to worry about that for at least three more years,
But but how do you do you pay him for
both positions?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Because that's a roster he's if he is a full
time receiver and he's a full time corner, your your CBA,
the draft and the rookie draft, Sellar pool slotted, so
it doesn't really have anything to do with you know now, Now,
where where he'll get a bonus is his play snap percentage.
So remember, because even when he's paid as a rookie,
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he'll get a huge bonus at the end of the
year if he's playing both ways because of the amount
of snaps. He's playing on both sides of the ball.
So that's where he'll be able to.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Cash in on that. And that's where the eno. You know,
NFLP has done a good job and trying to reward
guys who aren't being paid as much, and especially as rookies,
but they're playing a lot, so it's at least covering
a Porsche of that gap. And I understand what you're saying,
but that's three years away. That's that's the first opportunity.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
That man became an All pro on both sides of
the ball as a receiver and as a corner, which
we've never seen that happen ever before. How are you
going to pay that man?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Let me ask you, because I think it's along the
lines of what you were thinking, LeVar, but I'll kind
of throw it at you. Guys if he was just
a wide receiver, Is he in consideration for the number
two pick?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
No? No, if he just there's no receiver being considered, right.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So if he was just a corner, would be would
he be in consideration for the number two pick.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
No, that's a good way of putting, because I would
say yes, though I would say yes.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
In that regard. I say, he's not a top five
pick at corner. I think he's more like Will Howard.
Is a Will Howard who the corner out of Mill Johnson,
Will Johns, Will Johnson. I say he's more like that,
He's more in that that category. Then again, no, I
take that back. I take I take that back. I
take that back because I'm thinking about Champ Bailey or
he's on the level of I mean, actually, yeah, he's
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on the level of a Charles Woodson more so than
even a Chant Bailey. I mean he's in that category
of players. So yes, yes, he would. So I'll put
it this way.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I think I think he's the best corner and I
do think in a class that by the way, it's
not a great wide receiver class. So between t mac
Luther Burden, you know, Matthew Gold's got a lot of
buzz in Texas because he's so fast, you know, I
don't know that you go and watch the tape and say, like,
can he come in and be immediate number one? And
that's what you're usually drafting him to be. So it's
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kind of interesting. But I think he's one of the best,
if not the best, in the wide receiver class too,
So it all depends on how you view him. But
I think as a cornerback without a doubt. As a
wide receiver, it might be partially due to the wide
receiver class though too.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, he's a top he's a top five pick. He's
a top five pick at cornerback. I'm not going to
go I'm not going to go that far at receiver. Cornerback.
He's tough, fat pick. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, it's well, it looks like it'll be in Cleveland,
So it would behoove them to try and maximize his abilities,
Like if you've got that sort of talent, would it?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
All right? Ethertherwise, you know, am I losing sooner?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
All right?
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Speaker 2 (35:54):
So we mentioned now what the Cleveland Browns might do
a quarterback or excuse me, at the number two pick,
and the feeling is they're going to go with Travis Hunter.
That's at least what the speculation is. And the question
then becomes, what's the long term planet quarterback? Well, listen,
Andrew Berry, the GM there says it's a little too
early to tell whether or not Deshaun Watson can play
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in twenty twenty five. I'd like to offer this up.
Some would argue it's debatable whether or not he's played
yet for the organization based on what has happened, suspensions, performance, etc.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Etc.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
But nonetheless, now they've got a quarterback room that's got
Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett. Joe Flacco was brought back
he wont comeback Player of the Year a couple of
years ago, and so the discussion was being had with
the fan in Cleveland. He was talking with Ken Carmon
and Anthony Lima about the development of quarterbacks in the
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NFL and had this to.
Speaker 10 (36:54):
Say, I do think it's important for young quarterbacks to
be able to learn. You don't want to put a
young quarterback in a football game before he's actually ready,
because you know, there's just so many things in the
cycle in this league these days is just so quick.
You want these guys to be ready. And I do
think there's huge advantages to being able to sit back
and make sure you get and gain that confidence and
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and really really learn the game and get the team
surrounded in a good way so that you can go
out there and have success. And I think that stuff
happens naturally through like competition in different rooms. And you know,
like the more competition you have and the more people
you have competing, the more conversations come up and the
more people learn. I think that's true in not just
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in sports, but in every environment. You want good people
in a room together that can push each other and
then you'll get the most out of everybody.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
So that was Joe Flacco talking with the fan in
Cleveland about the development of quarterbacks there.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I mean, well, yeah, he's you know, forty years old now,
or you know, that's that's what it sounds like. I mean,
when you played for as long as he has seventeen years,
it's gonna come off that way. And I think, look,
going back to his experience, he was a guy who started,
you know, as a rookie, and you know, they had
a lot of team success. He was good as a rookie.
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He continually got better and better and better. But you know,
when you go back and look at the course of
his career, he had continually developed into the position after
his first couple of years to really be a guy
that they could rely on, in particular in the clutch.
And I think what he probably learned from his looking
back at his rookie ear and even just playing for
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as long as he played, is you know, and this
is kind of happens. I think to all of us
as fathers, like you look at your child or you
look at younger generations and you're like, oh, I remember
going through that, Like this is probably what they don't
know or this is what they need to know in
order to be able to do this the right way
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or be successful. And now again, playing as long as
he has, he's seeing all that in real time as
he's you know, had to kind of come in and
pinch hit, if you will, for a lot of you know,
younger guys his Stinton Cleveland back in twenty twenty three,
a couple of years ago, and even last year for
Anthony Richardson, and I think he's very aware of how
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different things are now. You know, for quarterbacks coming to
the league, where they draft them, they play them, and
they rinse them out right, they don't get any time
to really sit, watch and learn unless you're a part
of an organization that tries to do a right or
if you've got a Hall of Fame guy sitting there
in front of him, or at least a Pro Bowl
caliber guy like an Alex Smith or in the case
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of Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers and then Jordan Love, so
that that's really few and far between, right, most teams
are hoping they could find a guy that's gonna be
a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback, let alone a Hall of Famer.
And so I think is you know, his words are
wise in the sense of probably everything he's experience as
a starter, as a backup, as a guy who look
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at he's made a ton of money at this point
in time in his career, He's won a Super Bowl,
he's he's continually been able to prove that he can
still do.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
It, and so he does a need to.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I think there's a desire of one two and at
the same time being able to be a guy who's
he's got five kids. You know, he's he's a family man,
So he probably sees it from a lot different perspective,
uh than a lot of guys who played the position,
especially a lot of the young guys. Dang kids. He
can sling that pill. Huh. He's a quarterback on and I.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Think I think he also said he was, uh it
was kind of nice to get away from his kids
for a little bit.
Speaker 8 (40:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
He was kind of half joking, but I think he
just wanted to break.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
I think it's a I think it's a wise move
to bring in Flaco for one reason and one reason alone.
We could work from there. In my estimation, it's because
you have someone that can stabilize an unstable environment as
as the quarterback. I think the Deshaun Watson conversation has
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created so much, so much confusion, so much you know
kind of you know, is a conflict of how you
want to feel about the situation, is it you know,
what's next for the situation. There's so much surrounding Deshaun
Watson that has been a an agent of deterioration for
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the Cleveland Browns. To bring a rookie into that equation,
whether they're prepared for mentally, emotionally, physically to be able
to handle it or not. It's really an unfair task
and wait to put on the shoulders of a newly acquired,
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a newly hired talent for that position for your team
and knowing that that that element is still there, like
whoever goes in has to accept the fact that Deshaun
Watson still has to be a part of the conversation
in terms of whose team is this at that position.
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That would be the first thing that I would say
would be the wisest move in bringing in a quarterback
would be to bring in a guy like Joe Flacco
who things like that are not going to bother him.
He's already clearly shown you that it's not going to
bother him. He's on borrowed time anyway, He's at the
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end of his career, and anything that he gets from
this moment on is he's playing with house money. So
he's going to go in there. He's familiar with the
front office, he's familiar with guys that are in the
locker room, and he's going to be a positive force
to the players that are in there and the other
people that are around, including the fan base. He's a
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positive asset to add to your team and to add
to your room. And hey, if Picket proves out then
and is able to learn some things from Flacco during
this time, and you get get a bonus and Picket developing.
If you take a draft pick somewhere, they got a few.
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They they got the thirty third pick in the second round.
So that's that's a pretty pretty, uh pretty good position
to be in to either be able to move up
maybe a little bit in the second round or sit
there and somebody's going to possibly fall to you at
that thirty third pick. I think that for what it's worth,
and you may not hear me say this often, I
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think Cleveland played this particular situation the right way in
terms of a quarterback that can handle what's going on
right now in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
When he talks about like developing young quarterbacks and you
know how to how teams go about or how they
should go about it, it still blows my mind that
And I know it's not an exact science and every
players different and all that, but it still blows my
mind that you draft a guy as almost he's an investment,
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and I don't know a whole hell of a lot
about investing, but I do know that it does take
some time, and you don't want to, like, you know,
manipulate your investment too soon, because you got to let
it grow a little bit.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
You gotta let it.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
And Joe Flacco's point was like, man, I think we
got to be a little bit more patient, But nowadays
they're just not. They want to know now, all right,
can you play now?
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Well?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Who the hell knows? Like it could be situation, it
could be time, it could be another scenario altogether. Alex
Smith took years before he developed. He went through like
seven coaches or offensive coordinators, whatever it was, and finally
he found something. Had they pulled the rugout early on,
he would have never developed into a guy that, you know,
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brought Kansas City to where they were before Patrick Mahomes
took over and got him over the hump. You look
at Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield. Man, if you would have
talked to the Brown's back then the book was written
on Baker Mayfield. And yet for some reason it just
feels like, no, we got to know. Now we need
an answer. Now it's an investment. But no, no, no, we
got to have some answers, We've got to have some returns.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
Now, I feel like Baker Mayfield might have done something,
they flirted with the wrong person or something man, And.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I thought, look, I think I think Rogers.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
In person, somebody's hey, he upsets somebody.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I think Rogers, you know, has kind of made this
point before to where like, man, there's there's got to
be some trust, like some hey, look, we are trusting
You're making the decision, and we're trusting this pick at
this time, and let's let it grow. Instead it's like,
now he can't play, he's got to go like and
there's so many examples of that, And I don't get
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why in a in a business like the NFL, where
you are dependent on everybody around you to be successful,
why it all comes down to, now that guy can't
play well, No, Like, you've got to produce the environment
for him to play. And that seems to be lost
in so many situations.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
So I keep going back to, too, how different the
game is at the NFL level from the college level.
And I hope people understand this that RPOs they're not
as capable or impactful of the NFL level because the
rule that you could only have an eligible lineman, for example,
downfield only a yard.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
In college and high school.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
It's three and honestly it's more like three and a
half because it's so hard for officials to be able
to see it at that point in the play. I
mean when when you picture or think about an offensive
lineman moving three yards downfield, that's a couple seconds into
the play, right, he's moving through a gigantic human being
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across from Even if he's uncovered moving up to the
next level, he's still trying to get a sense for
what that linebacker is going to be because don't get
a twisted it is a run play, all right. There's
different types of passprotex is. There's pass pro, there's run
action pro. Where it's a pass play. The linemen know
not to go downfield, but they are doing their best
to block it like it's a run and so their
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responsibilities in regards to pressure are off. They don't adjust
anything they're doing. They are relying on the fake then
a run action pass protection to be able to take
care of whatever is going on and pre snap. If
the quarterback sees something that he's like, this is a disaster,
you get out of it right, you audible out of it.
But it's entirely different with an RPO, it is a
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run play. That quarterback has the opportunity to hand that
football off high school, college level, even at the NFL level,
the way it's taught, and then you're triggering or you're
reading off one player on defense, and so the game
has become so simplified at the high school to college
level to where you have one of two choices. You're
either keeping it and you're gonna throw, depending on what
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that defender does, if he steps up to stop the run,
or if we still back in coverage, you're gonna hand
the football off. And honestly, RPOs have replaced what used
to be quick game, the three step game, where even
in three step drop it sounds somewhat simple right one, two.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Three, you're throwing the football.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
You're not really able to hitch up in the pocket
because you're not getting any depth. You still had to
read coverage. Even in a three step game, you had
a one high or two high look, meaning if there's
one safety in middle of the field, you're working to
your left. If there's two high safeties right, a split
safety look, you're working to your right, or there could
be a three by one set where you're checking your
backside singled up route.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
If you like it, you take it. If not, you're
probably working a quick progression to the other side.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
So that used to be like the simplest form of
passing back when I was young, back when a lot
of quarterbacks were growing up through an era and a
time where you used to play under center a little
bit more, or even if you were in shotgun.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
That was part of the quick game. The RPO game has.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Essentially replaced that because you get the ability to put
the defense in conflict much more. There's that run pass
conflict of reading that overhang defender or whoever whatever defender
it is to decide if you want to throw or
run the football. And if you think about what three
step passing game was, it was like a glorified handoff.
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It was a higher percentage pass that you're gonna be
able to to complete and not get a big gain,
but move the sticks or at least get enough of
a game where it puts you in third and manageable,
or you're back on track if you happen to take
a loss on first down and so you're back in
third and manageable, right, you know, in those instances. So
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to me, the subtle difference is in how the game
is taught at high school to college and now to
the NFL. Is one of those things that it takes
time and then you're making these decisions in seconds. One
one thousand and two, one thousand balls got to be out,
and you've got all these other things you have to.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Be worried about.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
It's not really that way at a lot of the colleges,
even with some of the NFO. You know, coaches that
are down at that level or even what they're asking him,
you know what they're doing. And it's why the NFL
has had to adapt a lot of their offensive scheme
to what these quarterbacks are accustomed to doing because they
don't have the time to develop and no one has
the patience anymore to see if they can develop into
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being that guy. They have to be able to show
it in their rookie year otherwise everyone throws them the wayside.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
That's weird, man.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
It's unfortunate for these guys that just get lumped in
like n Think about Kenny Pickett, what's he on his
third team?
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Third team? He just got drafted and he just got traded.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
He's traded twice, so this third team like he just
got into the league.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Like not that long ago.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
We were at that draft in Vegas when he was
when he was selected, and just the books apparently already
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totally up while we were waiting for your permanent crown.
Now we got to order you a whole, an entirely
different crown for your tooth. You know that isn't how
he talks though he's super cool dude, but he had
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to really do some work because I fractured my tooth.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
This is gonna come off as sound like a d bag,
but I'm gonna go ahead and do it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I'm very ignorant when it comes.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
To teeth, despite the fact that my father in law
is orthodonists. But I never asked questions about it, mostly
because I really don't care. But but like, what so
the crowns for a while, if you have a cavity or.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Something, I had to get a root canal. Yeah, so
they had, So you get a root canal. When again,
a cavity, you have to yeah something. No, they don't
remove it. They just like drill to the the nerve
and then like yeah to the root. Yeah. And then
they like killed the nerve and then they let it heal,
and then they put a crown on it, and it's
(02:20):
like nothing ever happened, you know. But I had a
temporary crown on because I'm getting a gold and I
hear maybe that's the moral of the story. I was,
I'm getting a matching goal. A goal, yeah, but it's
in the back. It's in the back.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Why would okay, hold on, this is great, We're gonna
break the style. Why would you want to get a
gold tooth and that no one's going to see in
the back?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Gods, I can, right, but no one's ever going to
see it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So what do you like? I smile pretty big, que
and I gotta I already have one gold. Have you
ever saw a gold tooth in my in my mouth?
Like when I smile, smile enough around, shut up? Some
people might see it, you know, almost cursed on looking
(03:13):
deep back in there. That's correct, that's correct. So if
you see it, if you see it, you know, it's
because she was really in my mouth. But I'm gonna
get another one on the opposite side of matching one.
And I was waiting on it. And while I was
waiting on it, I guess, I was. I was sitting around.
I was. I know, I'm not supposed to chew nuts,
(03:35):
but I wouldn't as I was chewing on nut clusters
and then I fractured my tue.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Okay, but which one can't be a cashew? Cashews too?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It was it was a cluster, so it was almonds,
it was cashws, it was sunflower seeds, and it's like
put together and like dar kind of like that. But
they're like they're keto. They're Keto though, so they're pretty good.
But yes, yes, And I was just sitting there and
(04:09):
I was chewing and I bit and I felt it boom,
like I fractured it too. I didn't even know you
could fracture too. I just thought you break it, which
a fracture is a break, I guess, But I mean,
I don't know. I'd never heard that terminology use. And
it scared me, you know. I was sitting there and
they were like, man, they were going through the language
of it and taking the X rays and then they
(04:30):
were like, yeah, da da, there's such and such a
bicuspics and that one is fractured. I was like, fractured.
Oh my gosh, it's ridiculous. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
My dadd has told me said, listen, nuts will get
you every time. He said, I just relax. He said
that a trick is you can take almonds and you
soak them in water to make them some if you
want to, uh, if you still want to get your
your almend fixed. All right, this is the part of
conversation where I have the jump and well, let's get
(05:00):
the sports.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Come on, man, we were good until we started get
into the nuts conversations.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Too much nuts is not good for you. All right.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, you know, some would say that the Jets organization
is nuts. Some would say they've been nuts for quite
some time.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Sometimes like a nut.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And apparently it was a nutty situation and departure for
Aaron Rodgers, who spoke yesterday on the Pat McAfee show
starring AJ Hawk and Rogers decided to air out the
New York Jets and describe what the final meeting was
with Aaron Glenn with Aaron Moogie. This is entire situation debacle,
(05:45):
if you will. Here was Rogers breaking it all down.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I figured they went. I flew across country on my
own dime, but there was going to be a conversation,
and twenty seconds in he goes, I mean literally, I'm
talking to the GM about something and he leans to
the to a sheet and goes, should you want to
play football? And I was like, yeah, I'm interested, and
he said we're going a different direction in quarterback and
I was kind of shocked. Now, not shocked because I
(06:09):
didn't think that was a possibility. Listen, of course they
want to move on. That's totally fine, but shocked because
I just flew across the country. You could have told
me this on the phone. So I said huh, and
he goes, we just want to know how you want
it released the messaging and I said why And then
he said, I don't want to be up in front
of the room saying something and have guys looking back.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
At you interesting.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
And I said, what does that even mean? Are you
assuming that I would be in the back of the
room during the team meeting undermining what you're saying. I said,
you don't know me, and he said you don't know me,
and then I said exactly, which is why I flew
across the country to have a face to face meeting
with you to talk about my experience with the Jets.
(06:53):
What I thought was going to be a couple hour
meeting turned into like a fifteen minute meeting, and I
walked out of there.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So there's your your final moments with the New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And was that a beef? You don't know me, homie. Look, man,
you don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
This has to look terrible for the Jets, right, Oh gosh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I mean, because here's the reality of it.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
If if that's how you're willing to deal with the
guy wh's gonna be a first Battle Hall of Famer,
how do you feel like they're gonna deal with guys
who are on the back end of the roster? I
mean as a player, and I'm not saying that like
all players like Aaron Rodgers or all players even relate
to Aaron Rodgers. He seems to have a good rapport
with his teammates. But you sit there and go, this
(07:38):
is how this, this is how the team's handling this
guy like he Now, mind you, he probably flew private
like his on his own dime.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's like that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
It's not like the team's flying him there on his
jet to get there, which is a pretty petty if
you're coming from California to New York and back. Like
I would estimate, I don't know. Someone who's in the
industry would would probably correct me, tell me I'm wrong.
Minimum eighty thousand dollars on hudred thousand just for that trip.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
There and back.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Minimum, that's probably what he's spent doing it. And to
not at least want to hear from a guy who's
won or Super Bowl won what four MVPs seems to
have a different perspective on the league, but could give
some insight to Aaron Glenn who's stepping into his first
opportunity as a head coach and doesn't know this organization,
(08:24):
regardless of what anyone wants to say.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Doesn't note as well as Aaron Rodgers. He's been there
the last two years.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
He's got a much better feel for the pulse of
Woody Johnson how things have operated the past.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Couple of years than Aaron Glenn does.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And he didn't want to take the time just to
pick his brand and talk to him, even if he
didn't want to see him as his quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It's kind of goes back to like the Bill Belichick
not getting more interviews, like teams didn't even want to
take the opportunity when you had a legitimate chance to
take the opportunity to pick one of the greatest football
minds mind in an interview, even if you don't want
to hire him, just bring him into at least interview
him and see what we can get from him, right knowledge,
he'll be willing to give up and maybe pour into you,
(09:02):
your organization, your leaders, whoever. And so for Aaron Glenn,
you didn't even want to do that. You're just gonna
jump right to the point. And I guess I understand
to a degree he doesn't want to waste his time.
But then to Aaron Rodgers' point, just give them a
phone call, Like if it's over like that, just give
him a phone call. This makes it look like the Jets,
(09:24):
and LaVar has said it all along, our dysfunction, but
also now it looks even more like a clown show,
and it feels like you've got a head coach who, Yeah,
maybe he has an idea of what he's trying to build,
but it almost makes it look even worse to how
this year is gonna go with Justin Fields as their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
If things don't go well, it's.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
A disaster because you had a guy you could have
brought back who's a first ballot Hall of Famer, And
so if he goes somewhere else and plays well and
not team's in the hunt, or if that and even
then like forget that, that might be even separate from
if the Jets just fall apart become a dumpster fire.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
He could be a one and done.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Like these are some of the things that start to
come out in the media where it puts more and
more pressure and makes everyone question, is this guy maybe
there's a reason why it took him so long to
become a head coach. He's been a great decordinator, he's
had a great reputation, but then you watch how he
handles this instance, this situation, I don't know, man, dysfunction,
clown show, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's the right back of the Jets are again. I
have a theory, and the theory is he is acting
off of off of the feelings of ownership. And I've
seen this happen before. I've been I've been a party
to Joe Gibbs falling victim to doing the same exact thing.
(10:51):
I was the leader of a team, I was the
face of a of a team of a franchise of
the town and due to a vendetta that was apparently
I wasn't really even aware of it, but due to
a vendetta of the owner and how he turned his
feelings on how he felt about me, he tasked someone else,
(11:16):
because he's a coward. He tasked someone else to be
his henchman, and Joe Gibbs went for it. He took
the cheese, and his coward ass did the same thing
like head behind, you know, things he shot in the
head behind, and the conversations that he and I were having,
which was interesting because if media was where it was
(11:38):
at right now, I'd have probably did the same thing
that Aaron Rodgers did and had the conversation about it,
and we probably be having the same conversation about how
you have a dysfunctional organization. I tend to believe that
Aaron Glenn and handling Aaron Rodgers was totally doing with
(12:00):
the influence of what he had already had got from
and communicated with Woody Johnson in terms of how they
made him feel, in terms of what they think took
place with Aaron Rodgers in New York, and Aaron Glenn
was executing what his feelings were towards the situation with
(12:23):
Aaron Rodgers, and did that under the influences and the
pretenses of what was fed to him once he came
to the New York Jets as their head coach. So
in a way, while we'll say, okay, maybe, as a
head coach, you don't allow for an owner or corporate
to dictate how you handle a situation. Keep your emotions
(12:46):
out of it. You are the head coach of this team.
You have to manage the relationships with these players differently.
But that could be also tongue in cheek, because we
all know this is the man that hires you. This
could be the man that fires you, whether it's a year,
whether it's two years, whatever it may be. And he's
(13:07):
already showing signs of trying to pacify dysfunction. That's my theory.
I don't think that Aaron Glenn would have wanted to
take the stance he took with Aaron Rodgers. In fact,
knowing Aaron Glenn, I would assume he would want the
best players on his team. I don't think he had
a choice. I don't think he had a choice in
(13:28):
the matter of keeping Aaron Rodgers on that roster based
upon the feelings that were going towards Aaron Rodgers and
Aaron Glenn was tasked to make that one of the
first things that he handled once taking the job.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So then Woody Johnson is still meddling in decisions, got it?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I think the influence. I think the only way you
take because let's be clear, as former players, whether you're
a coach now, whether we just you know, whatever you're
doing in your life. When we see one another, we
greet each other a certain type of way. You're not
going to like, come out, You're not going to come
out a guy, hold on, And what type of way
(14:05):
is that? It's different than anybody else? Right you say, hey,
I come in. I kind of couple you. We greet
each other very differently than everybody else. But everybody else
to us, aren't us. I mean that's I if that,
if I'm letting the fan base and people in on
a secret, I'm sorry to do that. It's not that
(14:25):
we think any less of you. It's just that we
don't think of you the same way we think of
one another. That's all. That's what I was gonna say.
Sorry you if you.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Could give me the difference between you and Jonas kind
of seeing each other.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, somewhere on the street or whatever. Then and you
and I see one another, all right. If I saw Gentinus,
I'd be like, somebody, what's going on? Brah? If I
saw you, I'd be like you, what's up? Damn? How
your body feel? Kids? Is good? Everything? Good? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
All right? Man, I was good. I was gonna you know,
and you always say it's good to see you, like
three four times when you see somebody that played, you'd
be like, man, it's good to see you, bro, man,
so good to see you.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I was gonna point out like a racial component, but
you really buckled my knees when you went to.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Brady on that. Yeah, there's no real quick real quest.
Is great Jonas, that it exceeds race. Did you see
me on the street? Why do we greet each other?
Say again, how would that would me on the street?
Hey hey Brady, little top gun, Hey hey little up
top Jonas, what's up?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Hoss?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
That's football? That's football talk though you can't use hosts. Yeah,
but that's you know, that's like maybe high school. Yeah,
we're really trying hard to be a meathead. Yeah you're Yeah,
that is sometimes cats like you try to overcompensate because
I want to be greeted that way.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But it's the same thing if I see LeVar. If
I see LeVar, I'd be like, so.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
That, you know, what's every time I see Jonas and
every time we walk together from like the set during
Radio rodor in Super Bowl, I always am like, Man,
if I had an oil can, I would try to
like just inject some oil into Jonas's joints just to
(16:23):
make him look a little smoother.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Man.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
It's just please, it's very rigid. It's a very rigid, stiff.
That's vampire joints. That's not true.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
There's zero there's like zero skip, zero limbs.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Zero anything. Because you get to where we go. Yeah,
I'm floating. All I've got in my body is blood
and it ain't mine.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You don't know the vampire life. You know what we
go through.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Here's here's what's so funny about the Rogers discussion. So
I'm seeing yesterday people are you know, laying in like,
oh God, of course it's everybody else's fault. And he's
this and that and he's pointing fingers and it's like,
I just want to say, we're not talking about like
a high functioning, well respected history of great decisions and
(17:17):
great moves and great we're talking about the Jets. Yes,
it's plausible that the meeting happened exactly how it happened.
It's not like Rogers has been known to just lie. Okay,
people could put, oh, well, you know the COVID stuff
and all. No, you just he found a loophole in
(17:37):
his messaging and that's why people are still bitter about it.
But it's not like we're talking about oh well, this
is just this is an organization that is pristine and
all they know is success him saying it about them.
So you're the one guy who's got a problem with
the way that they handle things. There, No, we've seen
this for decades. It's the same story for decades. Insert quarterback.
(18:01):
It's a disaster, drafted, signed head coach. So like, when
I hear the pushback on things he's said, look, is
he a little bit arrogant?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Is he a little bit aloof at times? Does he
want to control the messaging? Does he like the attention
but claim that he does? Probably, But it still doesn't
admonish the Jets from being palpable in this whole situation
whatever I'm trying to say, palpable in this whole situation,
that they're a disaster and they've been a disaster for years.
(18:33):
And we've brought this point up before on our show
when the first couple of moves and couple of signs
are hey, we don't want any part of this. We're
Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells saying no, we're good here.
And that was before we had any sort of intel
or information on what Woody Johnson's era with the Jets
was going to be. That should have been the indicator. Okay,
(18:56):
maybe there's something wrong here. So the pushback on Roger
I don't get because it's the Jets. They've done this
for decades and.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
They didn't even play that bad. It's to me, he's
better than Justin Fields last year. He's better than Justin Fields.
Can I point out for one instance.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Don't point out though, where I think a lot of
people have dug their feet in and it's over as
far as how they feel.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's the whole vaccination thing.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Yes, that was such a polarizing issue that there's a
lot of people who maybe they're football.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Fans, maybe they're not.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
But whenever you talk about politics, religion, things like that,
and obviously the whole vaccination deal it was polit a
size and that's why it became so polarizing. But the
way he messaged the immunized comment and how people took
that and how this people drew a line in the
(19:56):
sand back then, and they've never been willing to concede
on any of that. I mean, this is like outside
of a sports conversation, Like the people who believed in
the people who didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
They drew a line and they're not ever willing to
cross that.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Like no one's even like even right now, regardless of
whatever report comes out, whatever side you were on, they're
sticking to that. They're like, there's no way you're going
to convince them otherwise. And unfortunately, like he put himself rightfully,
so he put himself in the middle of that with
how he handled that, and I think that actually might
be the most polarizing thing that has still followed him
to this day, outside of even how he's handled things
(20:33):
with being so open and honest about, you know, things
in Green Bay and how the drafting of Jordan Love went,
or even his time with Brett Favre and everything else
up there, and now with the New York Jets and
everything else in his personal life that's become public, which
with the documentary. So to me, as much as he
is very unique as an athlete or as a quarterback
(20:55):
in the NFL, there's also an element of like that
singular thing, to me created the biggest divide for the
people who are either for Aaron Rodgers or like Aaron
Rodgers or against them. And it's kind of crazy when
you think about it, and people can say that's not true,
but you're lying, Like I see it. To this day,
there's people who still have like ruined friendships on as
(21:18):
close with their family. There's all sorts of issues from
that singular moment in time with the way people kind
of drew a line in the sand, and they're not
ever willing to cross it and they're not ever willing
to go back on whatever happened back then.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He never breaks character either though. That's I think that
that really irritates a lot of people. And if I
were a betting man, I would say the way Aaron
Rodgers conducts himself is an irritant to people. Like a
Woody Johnson, he does not break character. Oh yeah, and
he answers questions, especially almost as if it's like a riddle,
you know what I mean, Like he doesn't break character.
(21:52):
He stays in that same well you know. And and
all I wanted to say was yep, I can't you
could have done at this by the phone. Well you
don't know me. Well you're right. And and that's why
I can't like the witty comments that the comebacks. It's
not it doesn't help. It doesn't help, Like show me
(22:12):
some emotion, like I'll beat your assed like what oh
whoa Aaron Rodgers said what you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Like it is it is funny how we they don't
break character. It is funny how we pick and choose
you know who. We're still gonna punish for things that
were done and said five years ago during COVID.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
A long time ago. Yeah. Well, Woody Johnson ain't thinking
about the immunization. He's thinking about how Aaron rod tried
to ruin him. He tried to ruin me. No, he's
got there. You better get him. Someone say he's got
a vested interest, and somebody getting I can't do it myself,
you guys handling.
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Speaker 2 (23:59):
Do we have an up on the fan that was
hit by a golf ball by Billy Horschel yesterday at
that tournament whatever the tournament was, because thatth looked grotesque?
Did you see that, Brady? The guy shin who took
a golf ball while in the gallery and horn shot Horse.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I'm always a big fan though, I'm always a big
fan of those who are sticking it out, able to
kind of tough it out through it and basically providing
a backboard for professional golfers just in case they sprayed
a little bit outside of the fairway. There's always a
nice fan in there to help bounce it right back
in or at least stop.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
It right there in the rough. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He So this guy got a golf ball straight in
the shin and horseall went over. I think he outlined
it and then autographed his leg afterwards, and it is revolting.
So hopefully hopefully that that gentleman is okay and can
continue on and join the tournament, you know, at the
Gallery there whatever whatever tournament that was not named the Masters.
(24:59):
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two pick in the draft. The betting odds have indicated
that Travis Hunter will be the pick at number two,
(25:20):
depending on if the Browns are picking there or not.
Who knows, but that is the expectation that as far
as the gambling odds go, that it could be the
Browns taking Travis Hunter. And so the GM of the
Cleveland Browns, Andrew Berry, spoke about Travis Hunter's skill set
and also compared him to one of the all time
great talents that we are currently watching.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That number two pick is that's kind of how he's viewed,
is the guy that can do ball versus.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Just his one side of the other.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
No, I don't see it that way. I think it's
and I'm going to use a crossburn now, it's a
little bit like Otani, right, where you know, when he's
playing one side, he's an outstanding player. If he's a pitcher,
he's a hitter, he's an outstanding player. You obviously get
a unicorn if you use them both ways.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
All right, So he's getting the Otani comp. He hasn't
played in.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
The that's not a good yes, not a good comp.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Well, because what is otan? What does Otani play when
he's not being a picture? Well? Well done? Yeah, that
was more so his he doesn't need interpret that's like that.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
That's that sneaky shot. They're like, why do you go down?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
How do you all? Is right there?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Brady with an undercut? You know, just a little something,
a little under underneath.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I don't know. I'll say, is his normal position is
not picture correct? Doesn't he pay like shortstop or something? No? Yeah, No,
he's a d H d H picture. You know he's
not a picture all the time. Well, he's not a picture.
Don't be miss miss like leading.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Here's why, you know, if you want to say it's
not a fair comp. First of all, because Travis Hunter
hasn't done anything in the league yet, But also don't
don't do that. No, I'm just saying no, I'm just saying,
is that we have no idea if it's going to
work out, And if it's the Browns, who.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Knows, well, that's even more true.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But Otani he's working to come back. He is hoping
to pitch at some point this year, and he's a
great hitter. And so the.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Baseball players play both sides. They NBA or you know, basketball,
they play both sides, right, like you play offense and
you play defense.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
We've never seen anybody be able to pitch and hit
the way Otani has.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, but they go both ways. They do both. Well. No,
I'm not saying that's you know what I mean, like
the defense. Yeah, it's not require for you to do
both in football. So that's why I say it's a
poor comp But I mean, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
You're basically saying, like, for example, if we're counting pitching
his defense right in baseball, which it would be correct,
it'd be like him playing pitcher and like, and then
Travis Hunter playing cornerback and d end right like, that's
in essence what you're saying. I'm saying, you play both
quarter and also a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Quarterback. D n White, Dane I mean, I mean that's
the equivalent of show Hey, yeah, but I would.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
That.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah. I just think that with with Travis Hunter, you're
getting a unicorn. If he can play at a high
level and play here here, here's the thing, right, If
you play on that cornerback and he can become an
All Pro, that is phenomenal in itself. Period. If he
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plays receiver and can become an All Pro, that is
phenomenal period. You know, some of the greatest players who
have ever played this game only have like like a
handful or less than a handful of first team All
Pro bids. Right, So if you're good enough to be
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an All Pro player and on that list at your position,
that's phenomenal. Now, if you have that type of talent,
are we are we adjusting our scope? Are we saying, Okay,
he should be an All Pro corner but just be
a serviceable receiver, or should he be an All Pro
(29:22):
receiver and be a serviceable cornerback? Like what are we looking?
How are we? Because again the conversation that we had
the other day when we were debating, and I know
you said, you know his status, we looked up his
stat lines or you looked up his stat lines Q
and made the point because I think t mac is
is a guy that is special at the receiver's position.
(29:42):
But the point is is that if you believe that
he can be an elite playmaking receiver where he goes
number two overall in the draft, are you expecting him
to do that at both positions or is it just one?
Because I think that plays a major part in all
of this. Is it both ways or is it just
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one and serviceable to the other. Well, here's what I'd
say is right if we look at the draft.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
And people always say, oh, you get a fifty percent
chance of getting a hit on a guy in the
first round, right, people will say that, well, technically, if
he plays two positions, gotta get fifty percent chance at
either one. And so I think the position versatility or
flexibility is where the value comes in. Is if you
think he can be like he was in college, a
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top wide receiver and or a top cornerback, then it
increases your odds of hitting on that pick, of getting
a guy that is maybe a gold jacket guy at
one of those two positions. Now, if it ends up
being both, great, but from just a pure odds betting standpoint,
If you're a betting man and you're saying, I can
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increase my odds of this player being an impactful players starter,
pro bowler, All Pro, Hall of Famer at one of
two positions, it takes some pressure off of you, right.
I mean, you could play him a wide receiver if
things aren't going as well, put him at cornerback. Like
I think, I have a hard time believing that one
of those two isn't gonna stick for him, at least
(31:15):
based on what I've seen on tape. Again, I keep
going back to I think his natural fit for me,
and this is just more of watching him play both.
And look, don't get me wrong, he's got natural instincts
as far as a ball catcher, a great hand, eye coordination, suddenness,
and his route running.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
But he's still very raw with.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
His route running and that's something that takes time to
develop whether you're Travis Hunt or any other wide receiver.
But as a cornerback, he just has a feel for
the game and how he sees the game and how
he sees the quarterback and how that you know, and
different route combinations. I just I feel like that position
comes to him more naturally and So all I'm saying
(31:57):
is if you could take someone who proves your chances
of it being a hit as a general manager, that
goes on your resume to showcase to the owner and
everyone else that hey, this is you know, this was
a hit. This was another another hit, another one that
worked out for me as a general manager, You're gonna
take that guy. So I don't know which will end
(32:17):
up playing on. Maybe the Browns will do both, like
maybe that'll be part of the intrigue for twenty twenty five.
If this is a team that's still at the bottom
of the AFC North because of the quarterback situation, at
least you're selling one of those dynamic players we've ever seen,
potentially in his rookie season trying to play both ways.
There's something to be said for that.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
If he's listed as both ways, how are you going
to pay him?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
How do you have to worry about You don't have
to worry about that for at least three more years,
But but how do you do you pay him for
both positions?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Because that's a roster he's if he is a full
time receiver and he's a full time corner, your your CBA,
the draft and the rookie draft, Sellar pool slotted, so
it doesn't really have anything to do with you know now, Now,
where where he'll get a bonus is his play snap percentage.
So remember, because even when he's paid as a rookie,
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he'll get a huge bonus at the end of the
year if he's playing both ways because of the amount
of snaps. He's playing on both sides of the ball.
So that's where he'll be able to.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Cash in on that. And that's where the eno. You know,
NFLP has done a good job and trying to reward
guys who aren't being paid as much, and especially as rookies,
but they're playing a lot, so it's at least covering
a Porsche of that gap. And I understand what you're saying,
but that's three years away. That's that's the first opportunity.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
That man became an All pro on both sides of
the ball as a receiver and as a corner, which
we've never seen that happen ever before. How are you
going to pay that man?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Let me ask you, because I think it's along the
lines of what you were thinking, LeVar, but I'll kind
of throw it at you. Guys if he was just
a wide receiver, Is he in consideration for the number
two pick?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
No? No, if he just there's no receiver being considered, right.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So if he was just a corner, would be would
he be in consideration for the number two pick.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
No, that's a good way of putting, because I would
say yes, though I would say yes.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
In that regard. I say, he's not a top five
pick at corner. I think he's more like Will Howard.
Is a Will Howard who the corner out of Mill Johnson,
Will Johns, Will Johnson. I say he's more like that,
He's more in that that category. Then again, no, I
take that back. I take I take that back. I
take that back because I'm thinking about Champ Bailey or
he's on the level of I mean, actually, yeah, he's
(34:33):
on the level of a Charles Woodson more so than
even a Chant Bailey. I mean he's in that category
of players. So yes, yes, he would. So I'll put
it this way.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I think I think he's the best corner and I
do think in a class that by the way, it's
not a great wide receiver class. So between t mac
Luther Burden, you know, Matthew Gold's got a lot of
buzz in Texas because he's so fast, you know, I
don't know that you go and watch the tape and say, like,
can he come in and be immediate number one? And
that's what you're usually drafting him to be. So it's
(35:03):
kind of interesting. But I think he's one of the best,
if not the best, in the wide receiver class too,
So it all depends on how you view him. But
I think as a cornerback without a doubt. As a
wide receiver, it might be partially due to the wide
receiver class though too.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, he's a top he's a top five pick. He's
a top five pick at cornerback. I'm not going to
go I'm not going to go that far at receiver. Cornerback.
He's tough, fat pick. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, it's well, it looks like it'll be in Cleveland,
So it would behoove them to try and maximize his abilities,
Like if you've got that sort of talent, would it?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
All right? Ethertherwise, you know, am I losing sooner?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
All right?
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Speaker 2 (35:54):
So we mentioned now what the Cleveland Browns might do
a quarterback or excuse me, at the number two pick,
and the feeling is they're going to go with Travis Hunter.
That's at least what the speculation is. And the question
then becomes, what's the long term planet quarterback? Well, listen,
Andrew Berry, the GM there says it's a little too
early to tell whether or not Deshaun Watson can play
(36:16):
in twenty twenty five. I'd like to offer this up.
Some would argue it's debatable whether or not he's played
yet for the organization based on what has happened, suspensions, performance, etc.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Etc.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
But nonetheless, now they've got a quarterback room that's got
Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett. Joe Flacco was brought back
he wont comeback Player of the Year a couple of
years ago, and so the discussion was being had with
the fan in Cleveland. He was talking with Ken Carmon
and Anthony Lima about the development of quarterbacks in the
(36:53):
NFL and had this to.
Speaker 10 (36:54):
Say, I do think it's important for young quarterbacks to
be able to learn. You don't want to put a
young quarterback in a football game before he's actually ready,
because you know, there's just so many things in the
cycle in this league these days is just so quick.
You want these guys to be ready. And I do
think there's huge advantages to being able to sit back
and make sure you get and gain that confidence and
(37:18):
and really really learn the game and get the team
surrounded in a good way so that you can go
out there and have success. And I think that stuff
happens naturally through like competition in different rooms. And you know,
like the more competition you have and the more people
you have competing, the more conversations come up and the
more people learn. I think that's true in not just
(37:42):
in sports, but in every environment. You want good people
in a room together that can push each other and
then you'll get the most out of everybody.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
So that was Joe Flacco talking with the fan in
Cleveland about the development of quarterbacks there.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I mean, well, yeah, he's you know, forty years old now,
or you know, that's that's what it sounds like. I mean,
when you played for as long as he has seventeen years,
it's gonna come off that way. And I think, look,
going back to his experience, he was a guy who started,
you know, as a rookie, and you know, they had
a lot of team success. He was good as a rookie.
(38:17):
He continually got better and better and better. But you know,
when you go back and look at the course of
his career, he had continually developed into the position after
his first couple of years to really be a guy
that they could rely on, in particular in the clutch.
And I think what he probably learned from his looking
back at his rookie ear and even just playing for
(38:39):
as long as he played, is you know, and this
is kind of happens. I think to all of us
as fathers, like you look at your child or you
look at younger generations and you're like, oh, I remember
going through that, Like this is probably what they don't
know or this is what they need to know in
order to be able to do this the right way
(39:00):
or be successful. And now again, playing as long as
he has, he's seeing all that in real time as
he's you know, had to kind of come in and
pinch hit, if you will, for a lot of you know,
younger guys his Stinton Cleveland back in twenty twenty three,
a couple of years ago, and even last year for
Anthony Richardson, and I think he's very aware of how
(39:22):
different things are now. You know, for quarterbacks coming to
the league, where they draft them, they play them, and
they rinse them out right, they don't get any time
to really sit, watch and learn unless you're a part
of an organization that tries to do a right or
if you've got a Hall of Fame guy sitting there
in front of him, or at least a Pro Bowl
caliber guy like an Alex Smith or in the case
(39:43):
of Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers and then Jordan Love, so
that that's really few and far between, right, most teams
are hoping they could find a guy that's gonna be
a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback, let alone a Hall of Famer.
And so I think is you know, his words are
wise in the sense of probably everything he's experience as
a starter, as a backup, as a guy who look
(40:03):
at he's made a ton of money at this point
in time in his career, He's won a Super Bowl,
he's he's continually been able to prove that he can
still do.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
It, and so he does a need to.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I think there's a desire of one two and at
the same time being able to be a guy who's
he's got five kids. You know, he's he's a family man,
So he probably sees it from a lot different perspective,
uh than a lot of guys who played the position,
especially a lot of the young guys. Dang kids. He
can sling that pill. Huh. He's a quarterback on and I.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Think I think he also said he was, uh it
was kind of nice to get away from his kids
for a little bit.
Speaker 8 (40:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
He was kind of half joking, but I think he
just wanted to break.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
I think it's a I think it's a wise move
to bring in Flaco for one reason and one reason alone.
We could work from there. In my estimation, it's because
you have someone that can stabilize an unstable environment as
as the quarterback. I think the Deshaun Watson conversation has
(41:02):
created so much, so much confusion, so much you know
kind of you know, is a conflict of how you
want to feel about the situation, is it you know,
what's next for the situation. There's so much surrounding Deshaun
Watson that has been a an agent of deterioration for
(41:25):
the Cleveland Browns. To bring a rookie into that equation,
whether they're prepared for mentally, emotionally, physically to be able
to handle it or not. It's really an unfair task
and wait to put on the shoulders of a newly acquired,
(41:46):
a newly hired talent for that position for your team
and knowing that that that element is still there, like
whoever goes in has to accept the fact that Deshaun
Watson still has to be a part of the conversation
in terms of whose team is this at that position.
(42:10):
That would be the first thing that I would say
would be the wisest move in bringing in a quarterback
would be to bring in a guy like Joe Flacco
who things like that are not going to bother him.
He's already clearly shown you that it's not going to
bother him. He's on borrowed time anyway, He's at the
(42:31):
end of his career, and anything that he gets from
this moment on is he's playing with house money. So
he's going to go in there. He's familiar with the
front office, he's familiar with guys that are in the
locker room, and he's going to be a positive force
to the players that are in there and the other
people that are around, including the fan base. He's a
(42:54):
positive asset to add to your team and to add
to your room. And hey, if Picket proves out then
and is able to learn some things from Flacco during
this time, and you get get a bonus and Picket developing.
If you take a draft pick somewhere, they got a few.
(43:15):
They they got the thirty third pick in the second round.
So that's that's a pretty pretty, uh pretty good position
to be in to either be able to move up
maybe a little bit in the second round or sit
there and somebody's going to possibly fall to you at
that thirty third pick. I think that for what it's worth,
and you may not hear me say this often, I
(43:36):
think Cleveland played this particular situation the right way in
terms of a quarterback that can handle what's going on
right now in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
When he talks about like developing young quarterbacks and you
know how to how teams go about or how they
should go about it, it still blows my mind that
And I know it's not an exact science and every
players different and all that, but it still blows my
mind that you draft a guy as almost he's an investment,
(44:07):
and I don't know a whole hell of a lot
about investing, but I do know that it does take
some time, and you don't want to, like, you know,
manipulate your investment too soon, because you got to let
it grow a little bit.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
You gotta let it.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
And Joe Flacco's point was like, man, I think we
got to be a little bit more patient, But nowadays
they're just not. They want to know now, all right,
can you play now?
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Well?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Who the hell knows? Like it could be situation, it
could be time, it could be another scenario altogether. Alex
Smith took years before he developed. He went through like
seven coaches or offensive coordinators, whatever it was, and finally
he found something. Had they pulled the rugout early on,
he would have never developed into a guy that, you know,
(44:51):
brought Kansas City to where they were before Patrick Mahomes
took over and got him over the hump. You look
at Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield. Man, if you would have
talked to the Brown's back then the book was written
on Baker Mayfield. And yet for some reason it just
feels like, no, we got to know. Now we need
an answer. Now it's an investment. But no, no, no, we
got to have some answers, We've got to have some returns.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
Now, I feel like Baker Mayfield might have done something,
they flirted with the wrong person or something man, And.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I thought, look, I think I think Rogers.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
In person, somebody's hey, he upsets somebody.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I think Rogers, you know, has kind of made this
point before to where like, man, there's there's got to
be some trust, like some hey, look, we are trusting
You're making the decision, and we're trusting this pick at
this time, and let's let it grow. Instead it's like,
now he can't play, he's got to go like and
there's so many examples of that, And I don't get
(45:47):
why in a in a business like the NFL, where
you are dependent on everybody around you to be successful,
why it all comes down to, now that guy can't
play well, No, Like, you've got to produce the environment
for him to play. And that seems to be lost
in so many situations.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
So I keep going back to, too, how different the
game is at the NFL level from the college level.
And I hope people understand this that RPOs they're not
as capable or impactful of the NFL level because the
rule that you could only have an eligible lineman, for example,
downfield only a yard.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
In college and high school.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
It's three and honestly it's more like three and a
half because it's so hard for officials to be able
to see it at that point in the play. I
mean when when you picture or think about an offensive
lineman moving three yards downfield, that's a couple seconds into
the play, right, he's moving through a gigantic human being
(46:48):
across from Even if he's uncovered moving up to the
next level, he's still trying to get a sense for
what that linebacker is going to be because don't get
a twisted it is a run play, all right. There's
different types of passprotex is. There's pass pro, there's run
action pro. Where it's a pass play. The linemen know
not to go downfield, but they are doing their best
to block it like it's a run and so their
(47:10):
responsibilities in regards to pressure are off. They don't adjust
anything they're doing. They are relying on the fake then
a run action pass protection to be able to take
care of whatever is going on and pre snap. If
the quarterback sees something that he's like, this is a disaster,
you get out of it right, you audible out of it.
But it's entirely different with an RPO, it is a
(47:33):
run play. That quarterback has the opportunity to hand that
football off high school, college level, even at the NFL level,
the way it's taught, and then you're triggering or you're
reading off one player on defense, and so the game
has become so simplified at the high school to college
level to where you have one of two choices. You're
either keeping it and you're gonna throw, depending on what
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that defender does, if he steps up to stop the run,
or if we still back in coverage, you're gonna hand
the football off. And honestly, RPOs have replaced what used
to be quick game, the three step game, where even
in three step drop it sounds somewhat simple right one, two.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Three, you're throwing the football.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
You're not really able to hitch up in the pocket
because you're not getting any depth. You still had to
read coverage. Even in a three step game, you had
a one high or two high look, meaning if there's
one safety in middle of the field, you're working to
your left. If there's two high safeties right, a split
safety look, you're working to your right, or there could
be a three by one set where you're checking your
backside singled up route.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
If you like it, you take it. If not, you're
probably working a quick progression to the other side.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
So that used to be like the simplest form of
passing back when I was young, back when a lot
of quarterbacks were growing up through an era and a
time where you used to play under center a little
bit more, or even if you were in shotgun.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
That was part of the quick game. The RPO game has.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Essentially replaced that because you get the ability to put
the defense in conflict much more. There's that run pass
conflict of reading that overhang defender or whoever whatever defender
it is to decide if you want to throw or
run the football. And if you think about what three
step passing game was, it was like a glorified handoff.
(49:13):
It was a higher percentage pass that you're gonna be
able to to complete and not get a big gain,
but move the sticks or at least get enough of
a game where it puts you in third and manageable,
or you're back on track if you happen to take
a loss on first down and so you're back in
third and manageable, right, you know, in those instances. So
(49:34):
to me, the subtle difference is in how the game
is taught at high school to college and now to
the NFL. Is one of those things that it takes
time and then you're making these decisions in seconds. One
one thousand and two, one thousand balls got to be out,
and you've got all these other things you have to.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Be worried about.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
It's not really that way at a lot of the colleges,
even with some of the NFO. You know, coaches that
are down at that level or even what they're asking him,
you know what they're doing. And it's why the NFL
has had to adapt a lot of their offensive scheme
to what these quarterbacks are accustomed to doing because they
don't have the time to develop and no one has
the patience anymore to see if they can develop into
(50:15):
being that guy. They have to be able to show
it in their rookie year otherwise everyone throws them the wayside.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
That's weird, man.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
It's unfortunate for these guys that just get lumped in
like n Think about Kenny Pickett, what's he on his
third team?
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Third team? He just got drafted and he just got traded.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
He's traded twice, so this third team like he just
got into the league.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Like not that long ago.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
We were at that draft in Vegas when he was
when he was selected, and just the books apparently already
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