Mark Willard & Ephraim Salaam Talk What Is Illegal Touching In NFL Rulebooks, Vikings Vs Lions, Tyreek Hill Is Out Bro, What Are The Packers Doing, And More!!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
If from I've always said this my main weakness as
a driver, and I think this is because we do
we do radio, we do sports media.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
I like to interview people. I like to learn about them.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
I want to ask a question and understand what's going on.
It leads to a weakness as a driver. If somebody
cuts you off, if somebody does something just so stupid
on the roadways, which happens checks notes every single time
you drive, right, I have this thing. I don't want
to flip you off. I don't want to get into
a fight. I don't want to do any of that.

(00:39):
I would like to pull you over and talk to you.
I would like to understand. Please explain to me what
is going on. And I'd like to do that with
a handful of NFL teams today, can you can you
please allow me to meet you on the side of
the road and understand what you're doing. Let's start with

(01:02):
the Green Bay Packers. But after I say good evening
and happy New year.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Hello, hello there you are. Good evening, Happy good evening,
Happy new year, Happy new year. How was your new year?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Everything's fantastic, man, Everything is safe, everything is happy, everybody's
bellies are fully everything is wonderful. But I have a
soft spot I always have in my heart for the
Green Bay Packers. They play football in the middle of
the nowhere. Everybody is nice, everybody wants to have a
drink and eat cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I love it there.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I love it in Wisconsin, and so I have a
soft spot for the Green Bay Packers. And I would
like to know. I understand that Jordan Love left hurt,
kind of hurt, but I also watched a football team
in the fourth quarter of a game against the Wolf
of Chicago Bears, who are experts at losing games. We've
talked about this, they are experts. Amazing the different ways

(02:01):
the Bears have found to lose football games. And today
the Green Bay Packers they found a way to lose
to the Bears, and they did it with a lot
of their backups in there. And I'm trying to figure
out why they think that the seven seed and the
sixth seed in the NFC are essentially the same thing,

(02:22):
because ephrom they're not.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
No, no, they are are the significantly not.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
So what what is your take on what happened out
there today?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Because in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
The Green Bay Packers should be at Sofi Stadium, favored
to beat the Rams next week, and instead they're gonna
hobble their way to Philadelphia to take on the damn
Eagles in the weather.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Crazy to look.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Sometimes you can get in your own way. Sometimes you
can take your eye off the prize and as we
crack open a fresh beverage, cheers, cheers. Sometimes you watch
stuff that drives you to drink that happens, yes, yes,
And so watching that game, I'm like, what's happening here?

(03:12):
Like literally, I was like, don't they know that this
is not a good thing? The fact that they can't
handle their business?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
This is.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Like look outside of and you know what, let me
back up. What I think happened was. I think they
got a little nervous, They got a little scared about
what watching goes down. Love hurts his hand, elbow, whatever

(03:53):
that was. So now they're like, Okay, we can't go
into wherever we're going and not be able to compete.
So I think mentally they took their foot off the
gas that I can understand anything other than that. No,

(04:19):
that's not what you want.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I get it. I get what you're saying. I get that.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know, you watch one of your top players go
off on a cart, you watch your quarterback leave in
any way, shape or form. Even though Matt Lafleur said
after the game that Love was cleared to go back in,
Love was feeling some numbness in the arm. The playoffs
are about to happen, and you don't want to get
Derek card. Okay, you remember when the Raiders were on

(04:45):
their way to the playoffs and Derek was maybe going
to be the MVP, and it's broke, it's broke, it's broke.
And the next thing you know, you're in Houston losing
a football game in the first round of the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I get it. So that could shake you.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
At the same time, I'm just I'm looking at the
end of a football game where the Packers have already
gone down, they've taken the.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Lead, and how how can you.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Let something like this happened? The Chicago Bears.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Experts that they are at losing games in the final minute.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
How can you let them go down and do this
to you? You had a path, you were gonna go
play the Rams, and then you don't know who you
were gonna play next. There's all kinds of possibilities as
far as the way this plays next.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Included in there is who knows.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
You could end You could end up hosting the NFC
title game for all you know, if you're the sixth
seed and instead you've got a plane flight to Philadelphia
and if you somehow come out of that, you can
book your trip to play the winner of tonight's football
game on two weeks rest. What Yeah, my god, you're dead.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
You're dead if you're the Green Bay Packers. To me, now,
yeah you are.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
And it's an improbable situation. The way they started off
controlling the you know, the game. In terms of Josh Jacob,
they pulled him out right, like I'm telling you. When
Watson went down and then Jordan Love hurt his hand
or elbow, they were like, get him out of whoever

(06:29):
you come, sit down. That was because you start thinking, okay,
is the position more important than the people we need,
no matter what seed we are, And you really have
to ask yourself that as a coach. Now, granted, Chicago

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was looking for ways to lose that game, but once
you make that decision, and I believe they made it
in the first half, whatever happens happens. Whatever happens happens.
And I think that's where they were mentally. They came out,
they were like, Okay, let's put this thing away, let's
do this, let's do that. A couple of key guys
got that got hurt, major guys got hurt, are dinged up,

(07:15):
and they were like, all right, scratch that. We're going
to go with plan B. And Plan B is, hey,
let's just survive this either way. We're we'll go play
wherever we're gonna go play, and and and we'll let
the chips fall where they may. We're not going to
have a home game anyway, so we'll let the chips

(07:35):
fall where they may. And I think they were I think, uh,
you know, Mala Floor was okay with that.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, and I and I can underget that.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
I get it like that that that that you could
tell the way to sidelines, like when when Watson went
down on that route, and I mean no one touched them.
Everybody was like oh. And then a couple plays later,
Jordan Love is looking at his pinky like, hey man,
this thing isn't working like it's supposed to. And so

(08:07):
I can see how that could be bone chilling to
a coaching staff and an organization, and so next thing,
you know, oh, well we can't lose Josh Jacobs. We can't, right,
and you start pulling guys, defensive guys. You start pulling

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guys off the field right like, and just trying to
You don't want to make a big splash. You don't
want to make it seem obvious. But hey, you're done right.
Hey no, no, no, no, you're done you no no, no, come
come come, You're done right. They got a lot of
guys on the defensive side of the ball that made
tackles that I haven't I haven't heard of a lot

(08:52):
of these guys, right, So that lets you know what
there Once that happened, I think they went and for
all intense purposes. They were going in there to lock
this game up, get a favorable seed, take an easier path.
But when you start losing key factors that you need
next week. It wasn't like they were going for a buye, right.

(09:16):
They were getting on a plane. They just didn't know where.
And so I think it's a it's a self preservation
type of thing. I think we got to get out
of here and still be able to go fight.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I understand what you're saying, just to help.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
You with how you were feeling before. You know, as
you was, I know you had a lot of you
it was tough.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh my god, what what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Well?

Speaker 4 (09:41):
I just try to explain different minds and I and
that to me, you lose your star quarterback.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, but you know what, I could argue and and
and while I understand where you're coming from, I could
argue really quickly, well, hey, whatever.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Has happened to Jordan Love has now happened.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
If you have him next week, great, and I think
they probably will. But if you don't have him next week,
then I'd like to play the.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Rams even more. Yeah, but at what cost? I'm willing
to take that chance.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Oh you not, I promise I am, Because I promise
you you wouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But if from you can't play you know this, you
can't play football that way.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I understand you're going.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
To lose people sometimes you are. You can't be terrified.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
And it's the same adage. You watch an NBA game,
they're up by twenty with three minutes left, and some
Anthony Davis Lebron hurts their foot or something like that,
and you're like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Well, But that's when nothing's on the line.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I would argue, you got something on the line here,
and when you have something on the line, you have
got That is what the definition of football is. There
is a risk being taken that is a high one
on every play by every player, and if something's on
the line, you go try to get it and then
the chips fall where they may and you might get
hurt and the other guy might get hurt. I don't

(11:04):
know what's gonna happen, but when you got something on
the line, you go play.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
And I hear you. I get why the Packers might
have been spooked.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I just think that there was more on the line
tonight than maybe they realized.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
In the moment.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Well, I think they had come to terms with however
this thing shook out, it was going to be better
than losing three offensive starters or two deef of one
at this point, right, losing your edge rusher, right right,
at this point, you know wherever you go, is it

(11:41):
worth losing for Shan Gary? Absolutely not no, right, So
let's bring him out. We won't get the pressure we
normally will get. And they were getting pressure and shout
out to Caleb Williams. He you know, extended some play. Still,
you know, it was spotty, but they found a way
to win. And that's a good thing for him to
finish his uh his rookie year, not on a twelve

(12:04):
game losing streak.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, no, I here's what I'll say about it, that
risk reward game that the Packers played today.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Ask me again if they got it right. Of course,
on our next show.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, ask me on our next show if they got
it right.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I got you.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well, you know what I mean, we won't know that
and and and you're right, and you're right. That's that's
the game you play when you're already in and you're
not going for a number one seed in a bye.
Then these are the tough choices coaches and and organizations
have to make, and they have to make sense. To me,

(12:45):
it made sense. Did they still should have won the game? Yes,
they still should have won the Chicago's that bad from
the Fox, But they didn't. And so you're they are
okay either way. The results of that game, based on
Watson going down and Love getting banged up, they are,

(13:07):
trust me, they are willing to go into whatever fight
they have to go into.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
With those guys of it. I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
I don't I never heard an update on what happened
with Watson. It didn't look like he did.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
It doesn't sound good. Yeah, there's no official update. But yeah,
do you lose too?

Speaker 4 (13:23):
You lose, you lose, You're right, Do you lose Jayden
Reid as well? No, No, you don't want to do that, right,
you don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
We might just lose next week's game instead.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Come on, but guess what, But guess what? What?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Got a shot?

Speaker 4 (13:40):
You've got a shot. They got it, and all you
want in life is a shot.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
It's fair.

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Speaker 2 (13:59):
Okay, Hey, there's this other game that still needs to
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obvious part that's on the line, and then not so
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Speaker 2 (14:30):
Alex is waiting for me to talk, but I cannot
stand interrupting Ephrom's flow. Right you you got the flow,
and I'm thinking to myself, I'm supposed to talk right now,
and then Mike Singletary pops into my head exactly, you
can't do it. No, you can't do it. We're live

(14:52):
on the tie rack dot com studios. Who you got, brother,
We're about to start this thing.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Yeah, who you got? I got Minnesota?

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Me too.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Tell me why I got Minnesota because I trust, I trust.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I know what you're gonna say. Okay, I know, say it.
Say it for the people who don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
I trust the decision making of Minnesota over the vibrado
and ego of dan Quinn. This is a playoff game,
so you may not think so, but they're going into

(15:47):
this like this is the playoff game. And if you
win this, you get a bye and you get right yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
And and your stadium will be alive.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
It will be two weeks crack it, and you will
be hosting throughout and haul them.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Have to go anywhere until you're going to New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Here's here's what I like, just to further your point.
And you can love this or you can hate it.
I'll leave that up to each and every one of
you that's listening. But right now, it is second and eight.
The Lions have the ball first. It is second to eight.
They got two yards on first down. You cannot guarantee me,
none of you listening, You cannot guarantee me that two

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plays from now it won't be fourth and six at
their own thirty four in the first quarter. You can't
guarantee me, though, pump.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
And that's a problem. You can't. You're like, I think
I think he would pump.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, we may get that, because.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Not to find out because that's thirty VERI here we go.
We will very well get that. Oh we might, so
I feel you.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'll add to this though Detroit is incredibly banged up.
Their defense to me is and this is not just
a problem for tonight. This is a problem for the playoffs.
I have a soft spot for for the Detroit Lions.
Their fan base has been through hell from the moment
they were born. They all thought they were going to
the super Bowl at halftime in the NFC Title Game
last year, even though it was my favorite team that

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came back on him. I've got a soft spot for them,
and I'd love to see them go to the super Bowl,
but I don't think they will because their defense cannot
stop anyone.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Their their their their defenses is going to have a
really hard time stopping playoff teams, and that's what is
being presented to them tonight, Sam Darnold and a red
hot Minnesota Vikings offense, and I think they're gonna do
pretty much whatever they want.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Man, that was a good move because he had them,
he had him short. It would have been fourth and two.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Fourth and two, fourth and two, Like he got two hands.
I'm like, here we go. Jamier Gibbs did Jamiir Gibbs things.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
So he moves the chains and the Lions get in
a fresh set of downs at their own forty one.
We'll keep you up to date on this one, but
I mentioned there's more at stake than what we're all
thinking about. What we're thinking about is the one seed,
home field advantage throughout the playoffs, the division title in
the NFC North. But there's the game within the game,

(18:26):
and to me, it is centered around the quarterback in
the Minnesota Vikings and to what level is his performance
tonight tied to what helmet he gets next year?

Speaker 3 (18:40):
A lot, I believe.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Look the way this thing is shaping out, Sam just
has to be Sam. Just keep doing what you're doing.
You win this game, you get the number one seed.
The most important thing you need to do is win
the divisional round. You have to win that first one.

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Because we've seen these Minnesota teams who've had home field
and lose, or we've seen them lose on the last play.
The history of Minnesota having great teams and losing big
games goes way way back until ninety eight in my
Recognection recollection because I was a part of that for them.
And so they're fighting off ghosts. So if Sam Darnell

(19:32):
wins whenever they play their first playoff game, then he
becomes a Viking for at least the next three years.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
That's just what it is.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
You let him walk out the building, then you gonna
walk out the building with him.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
You can't, you.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Can't, you can't. It's too good. It's too good. It's
too good. It's not a one off right here. It's
but you have you number one, now you have now
you the great minds get to sit and talk about Okay, now,

(20:10):
how do we make this beneficial for us? There's a
few things that you can do. Number one, you got
JJ McCarthy on a rookie deal and you don't have
to worry about him. He can just continue to develop
and by the time he gets out there, he's going
to be lights out. Number Two, you can get yourself
some real draft capital.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Interesting, So that's what you would consider doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Couple problems here for the for the Minnesota vikingsple couple problems.
If Sam does what they want him to do over
the next month of our lives, then he puts them

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in a situation where other teams are going to come calling.
And you know you mentioned three years, Well what if
somebody else offers five?

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Well, once you, once you determine you you're going to
give them the money, then you that's what it is.
It's not a you know that's what but but that
changes everything. And you know this the Minnesota Vikings. I
would imagine the Minnesota Vikings sat in a.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Boardroom last summer less than a year ago, they sat
there and they went all right. In fact, it probably
happened even earlier than that that, Like, we're letting Kirk walk,
and we're putting that resource toward Justin Jefferson, and we
are going to make him the highest paid receiver in
the history of this game potentially sect right, right, So

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we're going to do that, and in order to make
that work, we are going to put our quarterback position
onto a rookie deal. Now, we may need some time
for that to play out, so we'll also rock the
placeholder plus situation of Sam Darnold. And then the unforeseen

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happened twice. The rookie quarterback you drafted got hurt and
never played, and the placeholder that you brought in balled out.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
He balled out, and.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
He's gonna get MVP votes and he might go fifteen
and two and puts you in a position where, now
even if you say we want to keep him, you
are immediately boxed into Your quarterback room is now going
to go exponentially through the roof versus what you had

(22:48):
sat down to plan out. And I got to imagine
that's going to make on some level, the rest of
the roster tough.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Can you think you can get a first round draft
pick for JJ McCarthy maybe?

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Maybe, Yeah, I believe you can probably probably.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
So you can now have two first round picks coming
off of right like, because now you can get one
outside of the thirties. If if this goes like we're
saying it's gonna go.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
But your financial structure that you've planned right like, that
has been that has been exploded with success.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
You sometimes you got to throw that out the window.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I hear you, I hear you.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
And he deserves it, like they got work to do
to finish this thing up. But if it goes the
way it's supposed to go, and Kirk Cousins couldn't get
you there, and and Randall Cunningham couldn't get you there,
and Dante Carl Pepper couldn't get you there, and so

(23:48):
on and so so forth, what are we talking at?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Literally, what are we doing? You know, who's got work
to do.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
You've got work to do. He's got his working pants on.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Let's do it. Let's do it. Good evening.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh he's here, Yeah, you got here yet, We've we've
locked eyes and many did an excellent job opening this Uh, yes.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
She's happy. Thanks, she's happy. Kawhi Leonard played the first
time in twenty nine months. That's happy, right, So she's
in there doing high kicks, well as high as those legs.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Nineteen whole minutes.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Let's not forget last n right.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
He did it, he did. They want the champions, they
want They're raising the better next week the NBA.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
He did it.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
He just went to earn his money.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
What we got a game tonight with Minnesota Detroit. It's
scoreless after the first five and a half minutes. Can
I just mention the Miami Dolphins season is over at
eight and nine. They lost the finale at the Jets
thirty two to twenty Aaron Rodgers four touchdown passes. So
in the locker room afterwards, Dolphins receiver Tyreek Hill speaking
with the Miami Herald.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
There's a lot of things that you know, I need
to reassess, you know, about you know, my career and.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
You know hmmm.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
So it turns out he goes on to say, Tyreek Hill,
I'm opening the door. I'm out, bro. It was great
playing here, but at the end of the day, I
got to do what's best for my career. I'm too
much of a competitor to be just out there. Tyreek
Hill on his final day and some Miami Dolphin apparently

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houses Dolphins with four turnovers, three by Tyler Huntley as
quarterback two a tongue of I Loo with the hip injury,
was out again. Denver with a win, clinch the final
AFC playoff spot b Kansas City thirty eight to nothing.
Bo Nick's four touchdown passes Broncos at Buffalo next weekend.
In the playoffs, the Chargers get a win to give

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them the number five seed in the AFC. Chargers won
at Vegas thirty four or twenty. The Chargers will open
at Houston, the worst of the four division winners. That
means Pittsburgh at Baltimore next weekend. Seattle won at the
Rams thirty to twenty five. Gino Smith four touchdown passes,
including the game winner with about three minutes left. The

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Rams sat starters. They could have clinched the number three
seed with a win. Instead, it goes to Tampa Bay.
The Bucks clinched earlier today clinch the NFC South beat
New Orleans twenty seven to nineteen with two touchdowns in.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
The fourth quarter.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
Atlanta, like Miami, has season over with an eight to
nine record. Atlanta lost at home in overtime to Carolina,
forty four to thirty eight. Carolina, with the league's worst
defense they allow almost four hundred yards a game. They
allowed to Atlanta five hundred and thirty seven yards, and
still the Falcons could not win at home. They could

(26:53):
have only clinched the nfccule title with a win and
a Tampa Bay loss. Neither happened. Philadelphia finishes fourth teen
and three. After beating the Giants twenty to thirteen. The
Bears ended a ten game losing streak, winning at Green
Bay twenty four to twenty two on a fifty one
yard field goal on the final play. Green Bay, the
seventh seed in the NFC, will open at Philadelphia next weekend.

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Washington won five straight to end the season, one at
Dallas on a short touchdown pass in the final seconds
twenty three to nineteen. Washington clinches the sixth seed and
will be at Tampa Bay next New England doesn't want
the number one draft pick, thank you. New England beat
Buffalo twenty three to sixteen to end a six game
losing streak, and then the Patriots fired coach Gerrod Mayo.

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Indianapolis won it overtime against Jacksonville twenty six to thirteen.
The Colts say officially they are not firing their coach
or their GM. Houston won at Tennessee twenty three to fourteen.
That's six straight losses for the Titans. They finished three
to fourteen. The Titans will draft number one overall. Cleveland
selects number two New York Giants number three Patriots down

(27:58):
to number four. In April, Arizona beat San Francisco forty
seven to twenty four. And yes, this game tonight, about
seven minutes ago, first quarter, Minnesota scoreless, aid Detroit back
to you.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Okay, Steve, great point, and I'm glad you brought this up, because, yeah,
we spent some time there talking about the Green Bay Packers,
and maybe we should have been also talking about the
Los Angeles Rams because the Rams, instead of an opportunity
to play the Commanders, well they get the loser of

(28:32):
this football game tonight. I'm not sure if that was
a smart thing to do either. Yeah, you know, fun
to watch Jimmy Garoppolo play football, though, I guess was
it I don't know, you know, whatever.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
No, there was a lot of a rubbish out there
on today. At a stand of the season, I'm just
happy some you know, some position were available or up
for grabs. Obviously it's not as important as one would think.
I guess the importance is just to get into the

(29:11):
dance and then you know, do your thing. But outside
of that, you know, guys want to be healthy, as
healthy as possible, especially with eighteen games. You want to
be as healthy as possible going into the playoffs to
have yourself an opportunity to be world champions. And so
I think, I think there's a lot of a lot

(29:36):
of exciting coaches and organizations, and at some point we
can do a revisit of some of the things we
were looking forward to seeing this season. And I remember
one of those things, what's what does success look like

(29:56):
in year one for Hardball and the Charms.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah, we could talk about that.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
I would argue, we have a bunch of those type
of things that you know, the Washington and and and
and and of course the flip side of that San
Francisco's So it'd be cool to really, at some point,
maybe in the third hour, let's just talk about how
things played out based on what our predictions and and
our thoughts were at the beginning of the of the year.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
No doubt, no doubt. I love that.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
By the way, we're in the tyrack dot Com studios,
and and there was a lot of meat on that
bone that was just provided by by Steve de Sager,
including that Tyreek Hill sound.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
What what what do you make of that?

Speaker 4 (30:38):
I think we heard rumblings of this earlier. I think
he can't take the inconsistency of of of Tua. We
knew this coming out of Alabama. He was injury prone.
We didn't know about the concussions, but we knew that.
Did he didn't he have hip surgery or coming out
of Alabama?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Uh, that's yes, accurate, Yeah, he's accurate if I remember correctly.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
So it's one of those things where one of the
knocks on him is he may be injury prone, which
we're it's playing out in front of our eyes. And yes,
when he's there, Uh, the offense is fun and it's
electric and it's happy. But if he's not there, then
you just like you said, I'm just out there. He's
too good of a player and his prime to not

(31:26):
be utilized. So I'm sure he's really looking for, uh
some suitors who are willing to take on that uh
what I was about two years left on his deal.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well, I think we're getting pretty close to ye funny
money portion.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Yeah, yeah, so this won't be a you know, oh,
we can't this. This is it's a team friendly deal
at this point.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
At this point it is yeah, yes, yeah, right now,
Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
The playoff schedule is out, gout. Oh, we don't have
to wait for the end of this game time. Okay,
you can guess, and you only have one guess. Who
gets the traditional Saturday afternoon slot to start Wildcard Weekend.
It's the Houston Texans at home, Ladies and gentlemen, again,
the worst of the division winners. The four seed Houston

(32:20):
Texans are hosting the Chargers this Saturday four thirty pm
Eastern Time, and then this Saturday night's playoff game is
on Prime video only unless you live in Pittsburgh or Baltimore.
Pittsburgh at Baltimore this Saturday night. Three playoff games Next Sunday.
It will start with Denver at Buffalo at one pm Eastern.

(32:41):
The Fox TV game next Sunday is Green Bay at
two seed Philadelphia four to thirty eastern. Next Sunday night,
Washington at Tampa Bay eight Eastern time. Again, the Rams
could have been in that slot. They rested starters and
lost a close one at home. So the Rams are
the four seed. They will be home on a Monday

(33:01):
night week from tomorrow, January thirteen. The loser of tonight's
game at the Rams on Monday the thirteenth once again
the Fox TV game next Sunday afternoon, four thirty eastern
Green Bay at Philadelphia back to you.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Great, great to have that info. And oh, by the way,
I hadn't even thought of this. That means that the Rams,
because they decided to go out there and lose today,
they will either be hosting La Kid and former Trojan
Sam Darnold or we get to do the Jared golf
ball over again.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
How are Yeah?

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yeah, look, it's exciting. It's an exciting time. I love
the fact that it's coming down to the final game
of the regular season. We had some, you know, some
games we normally wouldn't watch, but this, you know, the
Atlanta game against Carolina was interesting. The fact that they

(33:56):
forgot to show up was unbelievable. I mean, it looked
like Tampa Bay was trying to give that thing away,
and so just it was. It was weird, like, hey,
don't you guys know you have to win, but leave
it up to Baker Mayfield and Tampa Bay to make

(34:18):
it dramatic and exciting and come down to the end.
And then of course I love the fact that Mike
Evans was able to number one, get his three million
dollar bonus incentive bonus and then get his eleventh straight
year with a thousand yards receiving. And no other person

(34:41):
has ever done that except for the one and only no,
not Steve the Seger.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
No else, Jerry Rice. Yes, yes, Yeah, that was the
coolest moment of that.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
That was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, and we got more.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
I actually want to ask you about a bunch of
different stuff with that play, and we'll do that in
a little bit. Also coming up now, let's get to
the Patriots, the loss of the first pick and then
the coaches loss of his job, all of that coming
up with it from Salama Mark Well, this is Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
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Speaker 2 (35:24):
Arethe tie rag dot com studios. Well, Ephraim, we've already
got our first Dan Campbell moment? What'd you think? Did
he do it right?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
I hate that song? Hi yay, hey yay.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Right hitting the cough now, I can't be hitting the
ball man, and I'm just playing down teasing.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
I'm teasing half five up. Did he do it right? Yes?
I agree with you. I agree with you. Fourth and five.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
From the Vikings thirty nine yard line. So he passes
on a fifty six yard field goal and instead goes
forward on fourth and five. Good looking blitz from the Vikings,
but Jared Goff is able to handle it and finds
Jamison Williams for a first down, and on the next play,

(36:50):
Jamier Gibbs goes twenty five yards untouched pay dirt, seven
to nothing, ditoit.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
And the crazy thing is you'll get those like that's
the thing that fuels the insanity. Whoa that happened earlier.
Let's let's do it again. And then all it takes
is one. All it takes is one and crucial moments,
All it takes is one, and so you can be.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Like, yeah, we did it, we did it. We did it.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
And then the fourth fourth quarter you're up by two
and you decide you want to put the game away
and you go for it and don't get it, and
then they go down and kick a field goal and
win the game. That's that's what happens when there's no regulation,
when there's no there's no you know, there there is

(37:44):
no breaks, all gas, no breaks. That's what it That's
what it feels like when you're in a car going downhill.
It's fun for the first couple of seconds and then
you're like, hey, well, how were we going to throw
this thing down? So it's gonna be a good game though,
you know it's gonna be a good game.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
This is just getting started because as I said, and
I happened to be in the building on Monday night
for a game that was odd because a quirk of
the of the way the schedule worked for the Lions,
it didn't matter. And that's what we talked about last week,
like why is Dan Campbell playing all of his people

(38:26):
against the forty nine ers on Monday night because they're
going to be playing for the one seed either way
the following week. But Dan Campbell has all gassed, no breaks,
and he went for it. And I can't remember the
score at halftime, but it was a lot to a lot,
and it had a lot of fireworks to it and

(38:47):
weather controlled environments. Right now, with the Detroit Lions football team,
you're going to get a lot of fireworks because obviously
they can score the football. And I also think their
defense is really going to struggle now as they say
that they get a sack inside the five yard night.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
I don't know, so what Sam, Sam Donald, all of
a sudden thought he was athletic, Sam, you like, I.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Want to I want to play for the Raiders next year.
This bru throw.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Just throw it away right there, just right out of bounce, yep,
right out of bounce. Get the line of scrimmage door
it just move up and now it's not second in
forever on the three yard line.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
On the three yard line.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Now you bringing the second and twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Whole new thing into the uh second and twenty seven.
All right. So that's the situation in Detroit. We'll keep
you up to date.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
The situation in New England that we need to discuss
and we will next We expected offense. I think we're
going to get offense right now. Ooh, the defenses are
hitting in Detroit. Lions leads seven to nothing Minnesota with
the ball with a real good field position to start there.

(40:00):
Next effort early second quarter after the Vikings push the
Lions backwards, then backwards some more and backwards err to.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Finish off that last drive.

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Speaker 3 (40:24):
Be e from.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Well, obviously having all Lions Vikings watch party right now,
But it was not a party to watch the New
England Patriots play football this year.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
And it ended up being a really wild day there.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
And if I'm a fan, I've got all kinds of questions.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I think it's not as easy as we make it
sound to.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Go out there and just, you know, lose a football game.
Come on, guys, like Chop chop, go lose. I don't
know how you do that. You can pull starters, you
cannot play starters. They did that, and then the Bills
did the exact same thing and the Patriots won a
football game, we can.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Talk about that aspect. And then there is the.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Firing of a handpicked Bill Belichick's successor after one season. Listen,
I don't know what was going on behind the scenes.
If I'm a fan of that football team, I got
a big.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
What four for Robert Kraft.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
And I rarely say this because as media members, I
don't think it's great for us to be like, you
need to speak to the media. That's kind of disingenuous.
But if I'm Robert Kraft, I owe an explanation to
the fans that I spent essentially five years coming up
with this idea and then I move on from it.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Seventeen games later. That's pretty wild. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
I think it's one of those things where winning that
game right put you in a situation where you know,
you may not feel like you guys are on the
same page, right, Like, coaches don't coach to lose. They don't. Yeah,

(42:23):
draft picks are great, but coaches can't coach to lose.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
It's not it's I don't know how you would do that.
How would you go about doing that? Right?

Speaker 4 (42:34):
So, if they felt like he didn't do enough to
not win right, if the messaging all week were, hey, man,
I don't worry about the draft pick. Were going out
here to play, right, and I want your bet, Like,
then you guys aren't on the same page, and that

(42:55):
could be the reason why, you know, it's like, okay, look,
we're just not on the same page. We're gonna we're
gonna rip this band aid off again and we're gonna
go completely away from Belichick, which I believe they have
to do in order to change the franchise back right

(43:15):
and continue to grow into a into a new error.
They have to part ways. You can't, right, you can't
break up with your girlfriend or your wife and then
still go to their family's house for holidays, like especially
if I don't have no kids, right, It's just like
y'all have no kids, and all of a sudden, it's

(43:36):
just like, hey, I'm just over here. Your mama was
cooking castle role But you don't.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Think it was about today, do you? No.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
I just think I think they really want to not
mismanage a first round quarterback again like they just did,
and so I think they want to bring in someone
who is going to have a special affinity for a young,
talented quarterback and build the franchise around that, opposed to,

(44:10):
you know, that defense Belichick way. I think there, we're
ushering into a new NFL, So you got to be
able to have somewhat of a quarterback whisperer with you.
Because these young I mean, Drake May's talented, he's big,
he's got the size, all of that. You don't want
to waste. You don't want to waste him like you

(44:32):
wasted Mac Jones.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
You don't. And so I think that's what.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
They're really that's the direction they want to go, and
I think that's the direction they should go in.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
I understand that.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I mean, it's pretty alluring when you look around the
NFL right now. I mean, look at this division that
we're watching right now, and I know, you know, Dan
Campbell is not a quarterback whisperer, but he played tight
end and he's got Ben Johnson right along his side, absolutely,
and what O'Connell is doing in Minnesota, what lafleur is

(45:09):
doing right in Green Bay, And then you think about
what's already just kind of on standby in the NFC
West with the success over the last handful of years
of McVeigh and Shanahan and then you look at what
the Commanders came forward and were able to do with
Cliff Kingsbury and Jayden Daniels, like I get it, I

(45:31):
get it.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
And even Andy Reid.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I mean, I'm not saying that you have to have
some offensive guru as your head coach in order to
win in the NFL, but it.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Helps them, is there, Like you can you can look
what Look what Brian day Ball did with with which right,
like it that really matters.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
That.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
That's why Chicago has taken the approach they've taken, like
we're not about to waste two three years and then
be like, oh well we should have done it. This
what No man, they They're like, all right, this is
not working. Hit the button boom, We're gonna we're gonna
figure this thing out. And I think I think Drake
May is like, thank goodness, right, and look, New England

(46:20):
settled down. You guys have been spoiled. You got six championships. Relax,
it's gonna it's gonna be a little bumpy for a minute.
But once you get it right, you get it right.
It's obviously a great franchise ownership fans. So just this
is what happens when you lose two all time greats

(46:41):
within three years of each other.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
No doubt, no doubt. I'd also I'd also say this
though about today. I mean, that's bigger picture stuff, and
that makes sense to me. I do still think then
that it's a fair question to say, why did you
go about making this? You know, why was this your
hand picked successor to begin with? But here we are,
and then you get to today and you go, Okay,

(47:07):
is there something like you just said it? Coaches and
players cannot be asked to lose. I don't know how
you would actually go about doing that, but there are
things that you can do, and I wonder if in
today's day and age you couldn't if your ownership do
things that are within the rules. I mean, like my

(47:29):
practice squad is coming up. They're coming up that day,
and I'm making up whatever pr comment you want from me.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
But you all no problem. You also have to remember
those guys are hungry. You put a bunch of wolves.
I get it, But they're not good players, right, But
they're not good. That's not true that there are players
in the NFL. Okay, it's not divisions two? Uh in
AI ad.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
To know I'm within the framework of what we're talking about, though,
these are not people who are experienced at playing NFL
football at the level of who they are going up against.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Talent and hunger is a hell of a mix.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
All right, So then what would you have done?

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Because the Patriots, there's really nothing you can do, Like
you you have to it has to become in the
play calling, right, Like, so they put a game plan
in so if you start calling things that I mean,
but Drake has obviously he has a full command of
the well, he didn't even play today, so.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
He didn't play through one pass went out and he
threw one pass it took him out.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
So, like, having the full command of the offense is
something that a backup quarterback doesn't have.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
So if you call.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Uh, single left twenty three scat eye double hook and
he like, wait what we didn't?

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Who is what? What's the read? Right?

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Like, that's probably the only way you could you know,
hedge that. But j Meyow doesn't strike me as a
type of coach that is going to take his take
a like it reminds me of someone with the ilk
of Dang Campbell, Like we're going to win the meaningless
game at the end of the season that they did
three years ago and give up the first round draft pick.

(49:28):
I give up the first pick in the draft.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Excuse me, we need.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
To interrupt this conversation about the Patriots to talk about
the team that you trusted with regard to their play.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I didn't like that. You didn't like it. I don't
like that.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
It's it's it's contagious in there. Get out of it, right,
So take the points man, always fourth and goal, fourth.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
And goal inside the five, and the Bikers go for
it and they turn it over on downs. Now there
is something to add to this equation, though. If Kevin
O'Connell was in a room with you right now and
it was just the two of you and there were
no microphones, he'd say from I know you didn't like
the play call, and that's a risk that I took.

(50:11):
But at the same time, my quarterback, who's right now
playing for a brand new, fancy starting quarterback contract, he
had Jordan Addison by himself on the right side of
the end zone, and he didn't pull the trigger, didn't
throw it to him.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
That was wide open.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
What I would say is take the three points man. Yeah,
I promise you it's going to matter. When you're going
up against Detroit, you take all the points you can
because they will leave some out there. Yep, right, that's
a four point game. I hear you, the four point game.
You gotta take the points, take all the threes you

(50:51):
could take and get one six and you'll find yourself
and okay, well I like this. You gotta take those
points with you as I would. As I would have
done it too. Driving down the field on the road
and not come and coming away it has the adverse effect.

(51:13):
No one talks about the mental aspect of the game,
the wear and tearmentally of the game, because we're so analytical.
You drive down the field six, seven, eight, ten plays
and come away with nothing. It's deflating to the offensive lineman,
to the running backs, to everybody. That's the point. No

(51:36):
one talks about that aspect of it. That's a huge,
huge issue. You're you're single handedly deflating your team's morale
when you make decisions like that. I bet you never
heard that.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Take.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, that's not that's not something. I here a lot
and I get that, and I already I'm with you.
I would have taken the three. I just think that
there is a piece of the conversation to uh, hey, Sam,
where were you on that one, because we would feel different.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Well, he's also face hit with helmets. Yeah, that's what
they're blitzing. They're they're coming, Yeah, they're coming.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
So he had that throw, he had it, the lane
was there. He just he just didn't pull the trigger.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Oh that's a safety. That's a safety.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
It sure is.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
It's gonna be a penalty because he just threw it
at the back of an offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, they're calling it incomplete right now. Oh wait, no,
they're they're pointing at the refs are pointing at Jamier Gibbs. No, now,
they're huddling up. We'll see. This is one of those
where the flag may come flying up later.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
All right.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
The uh yeah, right now, they're gonna call this an
incomplete pass.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Did not fire off the back of an offensive lineman.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
I'd have to see the play again. Run the play.
You can't shotgun into the back that one.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Oh yeah, Jamier Gibbs is right there.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
But he just hit the offensive lineman with the ball.
That's illegal touching.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Right, But Jamier Gibbs is right next to the offensive lineman,
so that.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
He like I mean, but what I'm saying is if
I'm standing next to the running back and the quarterback
hits me with the ball, that yeah, but illegal touching
no matter who's around me.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
You I can't.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
I can't be the first to touch the ball because
I'm not an eligible receiver.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
No, but yes you can.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
If you're throwing it to a running back and you
just make a bad throw, No you can't.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
It's a llegal touch if he actually catches.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
The ball, no, no, no, no. If it touches an
offensive player who is not eligible.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
What if he drops back and throws it and it
hits an offensive lineman's helmet, that's not a penalty. Like,
trust me, I know what you're saying. But if it's
an if, it's if it's considered to be errant or
you know, not intended to be, so it's not a penalty.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
They're talking about it now.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
I wish we could hear yeah, like I'm I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I think the intent of this whole thing is brutal
because Jamiir Gibbs is literally almost he's behind Jared Goff
practically when that throw is gone. But I understand where
the refs are coming from. Where the idea is, is
there an eligible receiver.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
In the area. There was, there was, but yeah, the
Lions kind of got away with one man.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Man did they ever be they got They had the
ball all the way out to the twenty five yard line. Yeah,
that's a game changer, that is that's a safety and
it's seven to two.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yep, it's a hell of a one to two punch
to go for it on fourth down.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You don't get it, then you get that call and boom.
That's that's a gut punch for the Minnesota Vikings. The
New England Patriots were not the only team to get
hosed by their victory today. I want to talk about
that with you a little bit next and we will
with you from Sala Mark Willard. It's Fox Sports Radio,

(55:13):
oh tyright dot Com Studios. It's a lot going on
in this game. Right right after we went to break,
the Vikings got an interception in the uh in the
red zone from Jared Golf and they again could not
punch it in Sam Donold twice, missing Justin Jefferson opened

(55:35):
both times, and this time they took the three and
then they almost missed that seven to three Lions about
halfway through the second.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Quarter, both teams trying to give it away.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
It's a lot going on, a lot lot going on, right.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
But I did some Peru and I sent you over
the break.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
I saw it.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I no, you're not, and I don't want it to
like I did you see what I sent you back.
The rule you sent me is based on the idea
of illegal touching is the idea of the player actually
catching the.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Ball does not have to be that. I trust me.
I've had one of these before. Okay, So it was
against me before.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
You're telling me.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
I'm standing.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
If the quarterback hold on, if the quarterback drops back
and it's a screen pass and he throws it and
it accidentally glances off the shoulder of the offensive lineman, yes,
and then it's caught the running back.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
You're calling that a penalty. That is a penalty. I
am disagreeing with you.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Well, I was out on the screen. I was the
lead tackle out on the screen. Okay, and uh the
running back bode behind me and the ball hit off
the back of my jersey as I was blocking the
outside linebacker, and the penalty was illegal touching.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Well, the referee needs to have a little talking too.
Because so you're telling me. If the quarterback drops back
and tries to throw a pass over the middle, but
it glances off the helmet of an offensive and goes
straight up in the air, that's illegal touching.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
I'm just there's no way. I'm telling you what it is.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Mark.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
You can argue this if you want to, But if
the ball hits an offensive player who was not eligible
to catch the pass at any time, it's called illegal touching.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Period.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I'm texting Perreira because there's no way.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
It just happened. It just happened. It did they call it?
It literally just happened in the end zone.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Man, it car I really wanted to hear.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I didn't didn't.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
We didn't get a chance to hear the TV version.
But I bet in three minutes, our man, the myth,
the legend, can let us in on it. So we'll
we'll hold this bay for three minutes.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
You never, I've never there's never been a better tease
in the history of radio.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Hey man, look, I'm just letting you know.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Man, okay, I'm telling you. I'm telling you, because you
played that, you need to go back in time.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
I've had it hauled against me, and you need.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
To talk to that ref. And you talk to that ref.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
I can't believe the Lakers went out here to Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
And sorry, Warriors are down by eighteen in their own
building right now anyway for the NBA.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Down and it's almost like Steph and Lebron are getting old.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
I could tell you who getting old. Sam Donald just
got old before our eyes. He's had five attempts wide
open receivers open inside the ten yard line and he's
missed all five of.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Them, all of them, and sometimes he doesn't even pull
the trigger. So yeah, it's been a bad night for
Sam Donald.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Already hit it Toga other brother.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Yeah, all eyes are on them, but obviously there is
plenty of time in what is still a four point game. Hey,
before Steve jumps in here, I wanted to throw this
at you because remember last week when the New York
Giants won a football game and therefore gave up their
hands on the top overall pick. And they need a quarterback, Yes,
but what did we say. We said, Oh, it transferred

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to the New England Patriots. They don't need a quarterback,
and now they can hold that pick. Hostage because the
three teams behind them, Tennessee, Cleveland, and the Giants might
all be interested in a quarterback. Well, now, the Patriots
went and won a football game, and I would argue
the New York Giants, whatever quarterback they had their eyes on.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
They're not getting them.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
They're not getting them because the Titans are picking number
one overall. And whoever that quarterback is, whether it's Shadour
or anyone else who rises as the cream of the
crop through the draft process, that man is going to Nashville, Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
He's not going to New York, New York.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
He's not going to New York. And so, you know,
I wonder how Dian feels about that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Yeah, well that's one of the things I'm thinking about.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
I wonder what that's gonna be like. Is he gonna
do a Mate, Is he gonna do a Manning? Is
he gonna do an arch Manning? Archie Manning?

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Right, not going to Tennessee. Yeah? Maybe. I mean they're
going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Whatever they do, it's going to be out of the
box because that's how they drove that family.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yeah, you're right, which I love about absolute.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yeah, they challenged the thought process and so I really
wonder about that because, by the way, the difficulty here is,
you talk your way out of Nashville, you might end
up in Cleveland. And I think that that's worse.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Oh, you don't want to do that. You don't want
to do that Nashville compared to Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Right, So what would you do if you were Dion
and Schaduer.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I'm going to take that. Uh take that Nashville. You
gotta take Nashville. You Cleveland is where quarterbacks go to die, period, yep, forever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
A lot a lot of money changing hands in the
way these two teams have played the last two weeks,
the Giants and the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Ye, craziness for me, Like, I'm like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
My goodness, Oh yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
One of those things where as the GM you secretly
you have everybody food poison in the night.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Kid, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
But but we at all times, whenever possible, stick with
the first string.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
And uh. And that means here comes say, went for
fourth and fourth and inches, they missed it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
What is going on with these two offenses here?

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
I mean, what is happening? I'll burn the whole building down.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Steve Okay, Jared Goff just threw incomplete on fourth and
one at the Minnesota forty two. So we still have
just a seven to three lead for the home team
in Detroit, Lions ahead of the Vikings, a battle of
fourteen and two teams. By the way, guys, this is
I have read the first matchup in the final week
with the winner securing a conference's one seed since the

(01:02:26):
Dallas Classic in nineteen ninety three with Emmett Smith when
they won in overtime at the Giants. Everything's at stake here,
especially with the structure of the postseason. If the Lions,
for example, get a win or a tie tonight, they
would not only clinch the NFC North title, they would
clinch the one seed in the NFC and therefore have
next weekend off Detroit with a great conference record currently

(01:02:49):
at ten to one. That would put the Vikings, despite
a great, great regular season, right back on the field
next weekend for a Monday night game January thirteenth at
the Rams. More on the Rams. In the moment I mentioned,
it's just seven to three about three minutes left first
half at Detroit. The Minnesota Vikings have only four first

(01:03:11):
downs in the first half. The Vikings early second quarter
had a first and goal at the five and got
no points out of it. They went forward on fourth
and goal and threw incomplete at the end zone. A
few plays later, they did get a tip and an
interception got the ball back. So Minnesota had first and
goal at the seven and got no touchdown out of

(01:03:32):
that either. In fact, the twenty five yard field goal
was barely good from Will Reikert on the fourth and
goal at the seventh. It is Detroit seven, Minnesota three.
And I don't mean to get in the middle of
mom and Dad's argument. I'm just relaying information that former
referee Terry McCauley on the Sunday Night Football broadcast thought

(01:03:52):
there should have been a flag thrown for grounding on
the game that you were telling.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Clapping the clapper for grounding touch touching.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Are you familiar with the rule?

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Yes, not an eligible receiver. His emphasis here mccaulay's was, yeah,
your past lands in the vicinity of an eligible receiver.
He didn't think it was also thrown in the direction
of the receiver, which is how the rule reads. In
other words, when the quarterbacks facing an imminent loss of yard,
it is just because of pressure from the defense.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
That's why grounding comes in, right, but also, are you familiar?
Hold on, hold on, hold on, Mom, obviously I'm the
dead hold on, honey. Are you are you familiar with
the illegal touching rule?

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Steve? Sure?

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
Okay, it's why people have to report, It's why you
can't throw an alignment.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
It's yeah, absolutely, okay, course, what in your opinion did
you see illegal touch win? The ball cannoned off the
offensive lineman's leg.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
I saw both fels yank you and yes, thank He
clearly was getting rid of it to avoid the defensive pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Can't do that, which is whether they catch it or not.
You can't hit him with the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I don't even know if the lineman touched it because
it hit his leg. His hands had nothing to do
with this thing, all.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
Right, Minnesota, thank you. Minnesota has won nine in a row,
but they're down at the two minute warning late first half,
seven to three at Detroit.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Once again, Mom thinks she's won the argument, even though
she's wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Seattle'll beat the Rams at LA thirty to twenty five
Gino Smith four touchdown passes. The Rams could have clinched
the three seed with a win that goes to Tampa Bay. Instead,
the Bucks earlier won at home against New Orleans, so
the Bucks clinched the NFC South title for a fourth
straight year. Carolina won in overtime at Atlanta. Indianapolis in
overtime beat Jacksonville. New England could have had the number

(01:05:58):
one overall draft choice. Instead, they'll be drafting number four
in April. New England won at home against Buffalo or
at least in Buffalo backups twenty three to sixteen, and
the Patriots fired coach Girodmeo after the game. Houston won
at Tennessee. The Titans will draft number one overall. Washington
won its fifth straight game on a late score at Dallas. Therefore,

(01:06:20):
Washington clinches the sixth seed with the win. Washington at
Tampa Bay next Sunday night. Chicago won its game at
Green Bay on a fifty one yard field goal on
the final play twenty four to twenty two. The Bears
had lost ten straight. Philadelphia beat the Giants. Denver gets
a win thirty eight nothing over Kansas City to clinch
the final AFC playoff spot. Bronco's at Buffalo next Sunday.

(01:06:43):
In the wild card weekend, Chargers won at Las Vegas
thirty four to twenty. A Chargers win gives them the
five seed in the AFC. Chargers will open at Houston
Saturday afternoon. That puts Pittsburgh at Baltimore Saturday night. Arizona
beat San Francisco forty seven to twenty four. It was
twenty six to twenty four to start the fourth Kyler
Murray four touchdown passes. The Jets got four TD passes

(01:07:05):
from Aaron Rodgers and beat Miami thirty two to twenty.
Miami finishes eight and nine, and as we mentioned, Tyreek
Hill says after the game, come oo, I'm out, bro,
He's done in Miami. So coach Mike McDaniel, guys, was
asked about that, and he said, well, regarding things stated

(01:07:27):
to me secondhand, emotions are high, especially after a game
like this. There will be conversations that will be direct
in the next couple of days. Wo end quote. And
the greatest thing the coach then added, there's a lot
of power in having a team that wants to stay
together and play for a common goal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
End quote.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Back to you strong and by the way, there's a
little more to this than I realized. I don't know
if you guys saw McDaniel also alleges that during the
game he was informed that Tyreek was quote unavailable. This
is after Tyreek had already gone in caught two passes.

(01:08:07):
But this is the Devondre Campbell of the forty nine
ers a few weeks ago, all over again. Tyreek just said, no,
I'm not going in.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
And the coach said he was not informed it was
a new injury quote direct. There were guys on the
field competing. I was trying to win a game.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
And not good. It's not good.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
No, it's not good. It's a bad look. Definitely a
bad look.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
I mean, look, here's what I would say about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
And Steve, great, great stuff, and sorry we interrupted you
the entire time. But and by the way, a further
proof that I was right. But anyway, we're not. I
said that that's the marriage.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Yeah, here, like the actual sentence right here on the
intranet worldwide Web. An offensive lineman accidentally catches a deflected pass.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Okay, anyway, it doesn't matter. Well, I sent you a
green shot of the rule I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Know, and that does not count. It doesn't account for
it inadvertent. It doesn't account for anything.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
It touching. They're not eligible to touch the past in any.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Way, have you ever signed up to listen to a
married couple fight? I just go home anyway, right, So exactly,
so we should move on. But anyway, the Tyreek Hill thing,
here's one thing I'm gonna notice already. When Devondre Campbell
did this three weeks ago, the world outcast him immediately.

(01:09:40):
That's easy to do because he's the second third linebacker
on a team. He's not on anybody's fantasy team. He's
not considered a key piece, he's none of that. And
so immediately the Niners were able to be like, we're
never talking to that human being again. He left us
high and dry, get him off the team, and we

(01:10:02):
will never see him again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Poof.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
And it was so easy for all of us to
be like, yeah, that's how you handle that situation.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
How about now, no, man, how about now it's your
thirty million dollar receiver. How about now nope.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
So, I mean, pretty pretty baked in hypocrisy that I'm
seeing already.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
It definitely is and will always be. That's the nature
of the beast, That's what it is. I mean, So
your other teams are gonna be like, we're not gonna
take Tyreek Hill because he didn't want to go into
the game with a quarterback who can't pass to himself. No,

(01:10:45):
it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
It's fascinating. I'm gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
You and I agree because our quarterback can pass it
to Tarik Hill exact sixty yards down the field exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I mean we talked about it last week. We both
think Devondre campbell career is over. Yeah, Tyreek Hill have
about twenty five teams knocking on the door.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Absolutely, they lined up. They trying to see what's going on,
y'all getting rid of them. Yeah, Hey, guess what if
he would have if it would have took the first three,
If he would have took the first they're getting ready
to attempt to fiel go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yeah, but if it takes the first three, they wouldn't
have got the second three.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
That's not necessarily true. But what I'm saying is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
I know what you're saying. I know they agreed with you.
They'd be up going to the half.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah, well both you're right that O'Connell caught Dan Campbell.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Yeah, I mean, I'm just like, these points, these points
are there, this is up. You have to treat this
like a playoff game, like I said, and points are
premium in playoff games. You can't be Oh, we're gonna
do this and beat it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Let's get the points. Guess what They all add up.
The points you take in the first half, the first quarter,
the second quarter, add to the ones you get in
the third and the fourth quarter, and at the end
of the game, they add up to a final score.

(01:12:19):
Now you can leave some out there. The points you
leave out there, they don't count, can't keep those, can't
have them. But the ones you collect, it could be
nine to seven right now with twenty seconds left and
a half.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
I'm just saying, yep, yep. But here we are, Lions
lead seven to six.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
We're approaching halftime, and we'll keep on watching along with
you there. We have not had a chance to do
this yet, and we should. I know both of us
want to. The Mike Evans situation today was the highlight
of the football day for me. I thought it was
so fascinating. We got to get to that coming up
next on Flag Sports Radio. It's a pretty good pick.

(01:13:03):
It's a pretty good pick. But you know what, I
come in peace and I have the answer. If you're
open to the answer, I have the answer. Yeah, we
want to I have the answer. Tyrack dot com Studios.
Describe the play again. When you got called for illegal touching?

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Describe it. Yep, quarterback hit me with the ball. Yep.
Where were you on the field as a compared to
the line of scrimmage? I was behind the line of scrimmage.
Oh well, then it was a bad call.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
So I read the rule, and the rule is it
can be illegal touching if the ball hits the lineman
in any way, shape or form beyond the line of scrimmage,
which is why you didn't see it get called or
discussed a half hour ago.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
In Detroit because that was well behind the lion scrimmage. Okay,
that makes sense. Yeah, that's the rule.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
So we can both claim some statements to be right
and wrong in the last half hour.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
I come in peace. I accept that. See see, and
then we eat. That's it. Then we eat. Then we eat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Hey man, you know who's eating this, Mike Evans. For
those of you who didn't catch what was going on today,
I don't know if I've ever seen this before.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
We've seen like forms of it, but not like this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
So the Bucks take an eight point lead, and the
Saints have the ball and they go down and on
fourth down it's incomplete and they have no time out,
so the ballgame is over. The Bucks have clinched the
NFC South and it is it is victory formation time,
and all the starters run out on the field to
get into a regular formation. In your like, hey, what's

(01:15:02):
happening right here? The Bucks look like they would like
to play some football. Why are they doing this? Quickly,
the announcers, the fans, everybody starts to gather what's taking place.
Mike Evans is at nine hundred and ninety five yards
for the year. If he gets a five yard catch,
that's eleven straight years at one thousand yards. That ties

(01:15:26):
an all time record held by Jerry Rice and Jerry
Rice alone. No one else has ever done it. And oh,
by the way, there's a three million dollar bonus attached
to it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Have you ever been.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Through anything like this where the team set out there
the last week to go get some teammates some money.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
I think so, I can't remember, but it didn't. I
don't know, because it didn't feel like it felt watching
it today, that was amazing. Yes, And the money is
the money. But the fact that you can only do
this record, you can't come back.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
And get this death is it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
It's eleven years in a row, not eleven out of
thirteen years. It's eleven years in a row. And the
fact that they got the defense got to stop. He

(01:16:37):
was reserved. You watched them as they were out there playing.
They kept panning to him and he was like, man,
almost got it, and he was, you know, trying to
rationalize it's still a great it's still great honor. Yeah,
I did everything I want And then they stopped him
and it was like nineteen seconds left.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
It was like, up, y'all want to get it. Let's
get it, Let's go get it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
So here's the question I have, And my lady and
I were chatting this out earlier and not disagreeing, but
kind of seeing it a little bit of a different way.
And here's what I want to know from you. If
you're the defender lined up against Mike, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Mike?

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Would you like to be the guy that broke up
the pass for three.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Mili as an athlete the game is over, you come on, man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Which is exactly what And I need to look it
up to find out who it was. Who's number one
on the New Orleans Saints. I'm gonna look it up
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
And number one is, well, I'll find it. Lost it
there for a second. I'm gonna find out number one
because number one he laid back.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Yeah, I mean, he's not gonna shoot in there, and
I mean that would.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Be Alante Taylor. Alnte Taylor is his name.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
Shout out to him, you know what I mean, right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Because that's what I sort of thought, like because she
was like, hey, these are division rivals.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
They probably hate each other. And I'm like, nah, right
at that point, I know, not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
When money like they guys do not want to get
into each other's pockets.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
No, no, no, no no, and you know the game
is over. It was over right, Like he didn't let him.
He wasn't open on the previous attempt. That's why they
flipped it to Irving and then he scored that way.
They were looking for Mike that way. He was like, nah,

(01:18:48):
not not not today, not on me. But once they
scored that touchdown, the game was over. Nineteen seconds left
in the game. It is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
It was a fun sitchuation coming up next, some of
the preseason expectations and how did they turn out?

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
That's next, Let's ride into the night.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
The regular season has got one half of football left
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Will follow along.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
The Lions lead ten to six, the Vikings have the
ball as the third quarter gets started, will reflect on
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(01:19:36):
tire buying should be. I love what you brought up earlier.
It's kind of fun on a day like today, think
back to the beginning of the season. What met your expectations,
what did not meet your expectations, and what exceeded your expectations?
So where would you start on that? Like what in

(01:19:59):
this fel season came out and really exceeded what you
were thinking Back in.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
August, I I thought that Washington could be as good
as they were. I thought they would be the best
team in that division of Philly got it together even
though it was you know, we didn't understand how and why,

(01:20:27):
but we do. Saquon Barkley. Yeah, no, Saquon Barkley. We're
looking at a completely different team. That's obvious. I mean,
look at New York without Saquon Hello. But I thought
that Jayden Daniels would be that guy. And so it

(01:20:49):
was you know, it was great seeing them get to
the playoffs and position themselves to like anything can happen.
Now once you get to that second season, that that playoff,
those playoffs, anything can happen.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
That's why you gotta love football because it's one game,
not a series.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
It's one game.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
That's why the NCAA Tournament Basketball tournament is so great, right,
He's just you got to show up that day and
be great. And and so we saw it last year
with c J. Stroud went in that you know, wild
card game and you know they ran into a bus

(01:21:31):
saw in Baltimore. But it's great. That was one of
the things that I was I was excited to see
happened that. I had a little premonition on San Francisco
being as bad as they were was you know, every
week for the like the first nine weeks, I was
trying to make excuses for him, but then it was

(01:21:52):
just like, well they.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Just suck no, I mean six and eleven. Yeah, that's tough.
That's tough.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Pill Wow, that's he That's a heck of a hangover.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
That is a heck of a hangover.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Now, Deebo Samuel went on I'm on Ross Saint Brown's
podcast this week.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
And I think really kind of expanded.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
I don't know if you buy it or not, but
he expanded on a lot of what you were saying.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Earlier this year.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Like he said, losing the Super Bowl to the same
team twice in the fashion that we did, like it
sent a lot of us into a deep depression that
lasted months, didn't even want to talk to anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
And so add that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Up with then what sort of also took place in
the meantime from the Brandon i You contract holdout and
the Trent Williams contract hold out, and the Ricky Piersoll
getting shot, and then we get to the Trent Williams
and the miscarriages and the Sharvarius Ward losing his daughter,

(01:22:54):
and you add all these things up and to what
level can you just sort of look at at what
happened in San Francisco and say this team, Because earlier
tonight you were talking about the mental side of sports,
and I just think this team has never been able

(01:23:15):
to have that side of their world working.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
At all.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Yeah, it's it's a lot like getting there and losing
to the same team when you you essentially had the game,
you had them. It is hard to come back. I'm
telling you, man, the mental wear and tear of professional sports,

(01:23:44):
it's outside of the athletic prowess of athletes. That's why
they pay you so much. Man, you want to talk about, brother,
the highs of highs and the lows of lows. It's
it's I mean it, it's literally it takes everything out

(01:24:05):
of it to go and do it back to back
and then come for a third season and be like, oh,
like the regular season. I said this at the beginning,
The regular season games don't mean anything. You've done that.
You've been thirteen and four, you know, fourteen and three,
and you've done it. You've beaten the play, you got

(01:24:27):
all the way to the Super Bowl over time, you've
done all it. So in the regular season it just
becomes mundane and it just becomes oh my god, can
we get to December and January? But by then it
was far too late. It was far too late. The
damage had been done. And so it's a situation where

(01:24:51):
with that on top of the injuries, that was it
much very fragile. The holdouts all through training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
The ecosystem of a team, a professional team, is very
very fragile. When you upset that ecosystem with ego or mundanity,
then it doesn't it doesn't work. Are they going forward again?

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
They're going forward again from fourth and goal from the
two running in Vikings are down by four donald incomplete. Now, Okay,
here's what I'd love to hear you talk about. Because

(01:25:49):
a low graphic, I know, but a little graphic pops
up on the screen right before the play is called.
And I know you've heard of this. We've all heard
of it, even though no one really knows exactly what
it means. Next gen stats, which is a way of saying,
this is what the robots and the computers think. And

(01:26:09):
I would love to really understand more about what why
what does that mean? Like you're not just talking about probability.
Is this a fifty percent play? Is it a fifty
five percent play? You're also running through all of the
scenarios an algorithm, if you will, And next Gen Stats

(01:26:29):
said go for it. No, that's that's the right thing
to do.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Yeah, but that's not the right that's not how it works.
We're not robots and we're not formulas. The next gen
stats can't tell what the flow of the game is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
They don't understand the environment. They don't understand this is
a playoff game. These points that gets us within one.

(01:27:08):
If we can stay within one point on the road
until the fourth quarter, we can take this over. Then
you start going, now what like you have to Now,
what you can't do is go down and give up three.
Now you're down seven, or you can't go down and
give up uh uh seven and now you're down two.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Scores right, you'd still be down one scoring touchdown, that's
the point. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Yeah, then they've done it twice. Next jes they've done
it twice. You talked about the emotions.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Twelve ten, it's twelve ten. Yeah, you're still up on
the road. Second half. So when all of these people
are talking, uh, analytics and this, and the book says,
hey man, do this do that? No, the fact that

(01:28:12):
you can't score inside the ten yard line four times, what.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Would the what would the stats say about that? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
I also look at it this way, like when we
think about analytics. For a lot of us, we grew
up watching sports when this was never discussed, but it's
always been discussed. For example, if you ever gamble, even
if just a couple of bucks, you go into a
casino and you gamble. If you've ever played blackjack before,
you will hear people literally at the blackjack table.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Yes, Jared go.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Right, interception, it's all the way back at the forty
six yard line, so at.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Least it was a bomb. But yeah, this is a
weird game.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Anyway, If you ever played blackjack, you'll hear people sometimes
even ask the dealer as they're sitting there facing a hand.
Let's say you've got a twelve and the dealer's got
a two showing you'll hear people ask the dealer, what's
the book say? Now, this is a way of saying,
what do the next gen and stats tell me to do?

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
Yeah, that's not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Well it's not. But here's the analogy I'm trying to make.
The book doesn't know how much money you have. If
you're in from salam.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Double the hell down. Who cares? I got bajillions?

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
They're good here, they're different variables. But analytics don't cover
if you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
If you put your last one hundred dollars out there,
and the book says double down.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Well, partner, what are you doing because.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
You know what I mean, like, that's your situation and
you can't run analytics numbers and have them apply the
same to all human beings and situations. And I think
that that's what you're getting at tonight. And I'm in
full agreement, like this is this is a different game.
This is not the Giants versus the Patriots Week five.

(01:30:20):
There's a lot going on emotionally here.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Yeah, it's too much at stake for some kid to
run down or be talking in the headset like.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
We gotta go.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
No, man, take the points. It's a one It will
be a one score game. No one is doing anything
offensively outside of the first quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Well, the vikings that they're moving the ball up and
down the field. They just take the points. So take
any points.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
Every single point you have. Yeah, every single point.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Yeah, I think that this is Uh, it's it's it's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
And we were just talking about what sort of like
exceeded our expectations, what surprised us, what didn't having Kevin
O'Connell be the one who is sort of like got
the Gunslinger play calling mentality tonight over Dan Campbell.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
I did not see that coming.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
Yeah, this is weirding.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
This is like bizarro world.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
This has been one of the odd games. Let's see
where it goes next. The Vikings do have the ball
injury time out for a Lions defender. Will keep you
up to date on all of it. That is eat
from salam. I'm Mark Willard more on what exceeded, what
did not. Plus there's one specific player who had a

(01:31:55):
really bad weekend and what does it mean for his future?
I want to ask you about this player. We'll do
that next on Fox Sports Radio. Well, yet another field
goal for the Vikings. If only they had taken them all,
they'd be winning right now, but they're not.

Speaker 7 (01:32:12):
Be it would be ten, but it's ten to nine
and here we go, one point game, getting late lots
on the line.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
We'll be right here with you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
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(01:32:46):
the air. But we are nowhere near done yet. Ten
minutes to go, third quarter, ten nine Lions that lead
the Vikings. And then I got a completely different question
for you. Extension eligible this off season is twenty three
year old wide receiver Pittsburgh Steelers George Pickens.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
What do you do?

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
Oh, that's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Yeah, this is this is not someone who had a
humongous rookie deal. He is a second round pick in
twenty twenty two, so you know there's some money there,
but not a ton four year, six point seven million

(01:33:32):
dollar deal. Certainly views himself as a one he is volatile.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Well, he's earned some money.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
But he's earned somebody, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
Earned, you know, the market is shifting any way, But
he hasn't earned top of the market money. Well, and
if he thinks he has and somebody's gonna pay him that,
then okay.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
I'm sure he thinks he has.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
Yeah, but if somebody's gonna pay him that is different
than whatever he thinks and so it's one of those
situations where you know, today's yes, what was it, yesterday's
game didn't help.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Well, it's fascinating, No, it did not. So he ended
up with one catch for zero yards and he had
three sideline yeah, three drops, and he had more sideline
pep talks than he did catches.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
Yeah, So you you don't reward immaturity. And they they've
gone down that road with the receiver before, but this
receiver happened to be one of the most productive ever.
He just, you know, right snapped. You don't even get
the production part. Now. No, look, he's a good receiver.

(01:34:50):
Him and Russ have chemistry together. But you need big
time plays and big time moments. That's how you get
the bag. And that wasn't happening. And so you're in
a situation where we got you know, let's see, it's two.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Things that come to mind on this, and you know,
number one is obviously the fact that the Steelers have
made no bones about the fact that they are looking
to reboot their wide receiver room. They have been for
a while from the Antonio Brown and Juju Smith Schuster days.

(01:35:35):
Deontay Johnson comes in, they let him walk He's had
a weird year being traded to the Ravens and then
they let him go never never really got on the
field that much, and then all of the flirting they
did with Brandon Ayuk in the off season, and then
they eventually acquire Mike Williams, but nothing ever seems to

(01:35:55):
really stick, at least not the last three or four years.
And now they've got to decide this. And the other
thing that comes to mind is something that you were
talking about earlier, which is, you know, Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
If I would put him in this category of being
quote a problem or volatile, but he's certainly had plenty
of off the field stuff his entire career.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
There was the traffic.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Incident earlier this year that I don't put on him
at all. But now add in today, which is giving
up on your team publicly stating I'm out. Ah, how
would you balance when your roster building the talent versus
the people.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
Well, you got to have a good culture. If you
don't have a good culture, then talent turns into a nightmare.
So you got you gotta be in position too to
manage that. And if they can't do it, then it's

(01:37:13):
it's not worth it because it's gonna come back and
get you. It's gonna come back. It always does, it
always does. So you gotta make sure you put the
right pieces around. Just because you fast and catch it
don't mean you'd right for us. And so they have to. Really,

(01:37:38):
they've seen it. It's happened there. It's happened there.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Repeatedly.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Yeah, I mean this is not you know, the George
Pickens experience has been like this all along. He he's
says stuff during the week in the locker room. He
will throw a quarterback under the bus, he will throw
a coach under the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
He will pout. Hell.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
I watched the guy pout a couple of years ago
when a teammate caught a touchdown pass because he wanted
him to catch touchdown pass. And it's like, I guess
why I'm asking is like, you know, you say, hey,
he's not going to get elite money. I don't know
if I'm the Steelers, if I want to give him

(01:38:32):
any money. I don't like, do you do you want
that player on your team?

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Periods?

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
No, no, no, no, no, nope. You you got to be
buttoned up and and and I always, I always parsed
some of the blame on the Antonio Brown situation took

(01:39:00):
Mike Tomlin. He allowed that to happen. He did, He
allowed that to happen. I use this example all the time.
Remember when they would go to training camp and it
became about how was ab gonna pull up? How helicopter
one time? A blimp rolls like it became this thing

(01:39:23):
other than what the stealers are known for. And when
bad behavior goes unchecked and you pay bad behavior, then
it's nothing you can do after that. You get what
you get.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
Yep. And that's the.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
Situation that they were in. Then Le'Veon Bell jumped on it,
and then it just became a spiral. So you gotta
understand that and understand your your ways and your the
mistakes you've made, and keep it moving. There's talent everywhere

(01:40:06):
at receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
It's you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
I mean, well, this has been a thread conversation that
we've had all year all year long, and I mean,
what's the tail of the tape on on that entire conversation?
You know what I mean? Like, I'm not going to
say that nobody's happy with their highly paid receiver. I

(01:40:29):
bet the Lions loved that they paid Almon Ross Saint Brown,
for example, and even though Justin Jefferson had such a
tough act to follow. And I mean, nobody is regretful
of that contract either in uh in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
But how Dallas feels about.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
Now Sinny Piggott is not Justin Jefferson, you mean right,
excuse me?

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Heard of that, right? But neither is Brandon Ayuk.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
And ask why you felt, you know, I felt about it.
I'm like, all right, man, kick.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
I was with you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
I was with you, and you look at how that's
gone Ceedee Lamb Tyreek Hill, Jalen Waddle. All of these
contracts where it's like, I don't know, man, Like I've
always just looked at it and been like, sure, the
position is important.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
I'd love to have as much.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Talent as possible, But tying a number one receiver to
winning in January.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Is pretty tough. Yeah, I think it's pretty tough.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
But you can hit your wagon too. A running back, though,
get out there in the elements. It's crazy. After the
great Steve the Segred gives us our final update of
the evening. We'll talk about those running backs that were
cast aside and what type of year they had? Steve
take it away?

Speaker 5 (01:41:56):
Certainly, gentlemen, music please? It is Detroit a ten to
nine leader over Minnesota. Hey, there three minutes to go
in the third quarter for the Lions. First round corner
Terrian Arnold has gone to the locker room with a
foot injury. He is questionable to return. Guys in this
close game. A bit of trivia. This is the final
regular season game of the NFL season this season, how

(01:42:20):
many games have been decided by one score? Decided by
eight points or less? Of course, this one's not in
the books, but the answer currently is one hundred and
fifty two, which is the second most one score games
in a season in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
Fourth and fourth and two.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
You know the Vikings could.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
Be ahead at this point. I don't know if you've
heard throw over the middle touchdown for Detroit. They extend
the lead. Extra point will make it seventeen to nine.
Jamiir Gibbs, who early in the game had a twenty
five yard touchdown run, just caught a ten yard pass
from Jared Goff. Goff with one td to go with
two interceptions. Notable that the Vikings earlier in this game twice,

(01:43:03):
went for it on fourth and goal and threw.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Incomplete in the end zone.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
In fact, Ap says the Vikings tonight have run eleven
different plays from the ten yard liner closer without scoring
a touchdown on any of them. In the last fifteen
NFL seasons, only three teams have done that for a
full game. So they're down eight seventeen to nine. At Detroit,
things could be a little different.

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
Timir Gibbs seventeen carries fifty seven yards rushing one touchdown.
Amen Ross Saint Brown's been targeted five times, five catches
sixty eight yards. Cam Akers had a fifty eight yard
run for Minnesota sixty three yards total. Aaron Jones eight
carries thirty nine yards. This is a battle of fourteen
and two teams. The Lions, with a win or a tie,

(01:43:50):
would clinch the NFC North title and the NFC's number
one seed, and therefore have next weekend off. The Chargers
clinch the seed in the AFC. Chargers will open at
Houston Saturday afternoon. After the Chargers won their season finale
at Vegas thirty four to twenty. The Broncos with a
win thirty eight nothing over Kansas City clinch the final

(01:44:12):
AFC playoff spot Broncos at Buffalo next Sunday in the playoffs.
The Rams could have clinched the three seed in the
NFC with a win at home today. Instead, they sat
starters and lost a close one to Seattle thirty to
twenty five. Gino Smith four touchdown passes, including the game
winner with about three minutes left. This was all great
news for Tampa Bay, which is now the three seed. Earlier,

(01:44:33):
the Bucks clinched the NFC South title for a fourth
straight year. Tampa Bay beat New Orleans twenty seven to nineteen.
Washington won its fifth straight with a late score at
Dallas twenty three to nineteen. Washington clinches the number six
seed and will play at Tampa Bay next Sunday night.
New England will not be drafting number one overall. The
Patriots won today against Buffalo twenty three to sixteen, and

(01:44:55):
then the Patriots fired coach Gerrod Mayo. Indianapolis won in
overtime against Jacksonville. The Colts say they are not firing
their coach. Also, the Dolphins lost to finish eight to nine.
Dolphins say they are not firing their coach. Houston won
at Tennessee. The Titans at three and fourteen will be
drafting number one overall. Cleveland selects number two now. Cleveland

(01:45:17):
today fired offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey after losing the finale
yesterday thirty five to ten to Baltimore. By the way,
Baltimore will be hosting Pittsburgh in the playoffs on Saturday night.
In the NBA, Houston held off the Lakers. At the
end one nineteen one fifteen. Cleveland won its tenth in
a row beating Charlotte. Oklahoma City won its fifteenth straight

(01:45:40):
beating Boston, and a big lead for Sacramento at Golden
State approaching mid fourth quarter one fifteen eighty three. And finally, guys,
the new golf season got off to a start at
Maui today with Hideki Matsuyama winning it. And he didn't
just win, he was thirty five under par for the
four rounds of golf. That is new PGA Tour record

(01:46:02):
three shot victory over Colin Morikawa, who by the way,
Morikawa didn't shoot worse than sixty six all week and
settles for second place. Three point six million dollars for
matsu Yama. This is the century A signature event twenty
million dollar per so the three point six million to
the winner that puts Matsuyama over sixty million dollars for

(01:46:24):
career earnings. Again, Lion seventeen to nine over Minnesota, late.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
Third back to you.

Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
I'm out, bro. I still think the original's better.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Come Sea ooh man, it has been a day. Great stuff, Steve, thank.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
You has all ways live tire rat dot Com Studios.
You ever have one of those games that you watch
where you're like, I don't really have a dog in
the fight, but by the end of it you're frustrated
for one of the teams, Yes, because they just this
is one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
I'm a Vikings good good lord, good lord. And I
would need multiple chapters to describe to somebody who has
not watched this game why this has been so frustrating
for the Vikings from the going forward on fourth down
consistently to the misthrows in the red zone from Sam Darnold.

(01:47:23):
It's just over and over. Situationally, this this score should
not be what it is, but it is.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
And like I was saying about those first half points,
like if we're in this game in the second half
going into the fourth quarter, and we're down by two.
It's a different energy than being down by eight. And

(01:47:52):
that's what's happening. Like you mess up the flow by
doing dumb things at the earlier in the game, and
you get here and you're like, man, everybody on the
sideline would have kick those field goal like everybody's doing it,
which takes away from the what you should be doing.

(01:48:17):
It's all psychology, man, it's not just analytics. And the
book says and the machine told me to baber beer. Yeah, no,
it's a playoff game. Being down two and being down
eight on the road two completely different things, completely different.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
I will say this, and maybe I shouldn't because it's
not like the vikings behind Sam Darnold have have done
anything because he just got there. But I do think
that this Minnesota group under Kevin o'cado, they've achieved some
things in the last few years, and they have an
advantage going into the fourth quarter that people might not

(01:49:01):
be thinking about. And it's a little bit of basically
the sphincter rule. Oh yeah, I watched this last year
when the Lions thought that they had their trip to
the Super Bowl all set. This organization, especially doing it

(01:49:21):
at home, now tonight where the one seed is sitting
there is sitting there, and you can start to feel
it and taste it. That fan base has been through
such an awful experience. There is such an unbelievably overwhelming
inferiority complex with this organization that when they get close

(01:49:43):
enough to taste something.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
They lose it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
They get emotionally overwhelmed, and they're going to have to
battle that in.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
This fourth quarter. Man, Now, because they.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Start they start playing, They start playing not just their opponent,
they start playing their own history.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
Yeah, yep, but when you're playing up against a team,
you got to remember. Now they kicking the field goals,
This is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Wow, they're much further away. They also, Oh, there should
have been a penalty on that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
Last Yeah, but you know you're gonna get those. Nope, Nope,
you're right, it's not gonna happen. Yeah, that's why you
take Look, man, look not this is not rocket science.
It doesn't take a machine and analytics to tell you
what it feels. Right, missed it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Fiftys and yeah, I missed it to the right. And
so this remains an eight point game. And now the
Lions have very good field position with just a handful
of ticks left in the third quarter, so we're live
in the Tirerek dot com studios. Keep an eye on
that as we head toward eight o'clock Pacific and eleven Eastern.

(01:51:11):
Before we get out of here, I'd love to get
your thoughts on some of the matchups. The rest of
the matchups that we know about that are coming up
next weekend, so we'll do that coming up next on
Fox Sports Radio tyrereg dot com Studios. Hat Trick, Jamier Gibbs.

(01:51:32):
Vikings are now in trouble. Yeah, it would have been
nice to have those field goals. Hey man, you get
what you get. You get what you get, and they're
still going to get upset. But yeah, it looks like
it's about to be a fifteen point game early fourth quarter,

(01:51:54):
So the Vikings are going to be in go mode
and the Lions are knocking on the door of the
division and the one seed, and like I said, now
is when they start to play their own history. Extra
point is good. It's twenty four to nine. Keep you
up to date there. The rest of the playoff schedule
is set. So first of all, that Washington game you

(01:52:17):
were talking about, you and I get to watch that
together now next week. Oh yeah, that's gonna be Sunday night,
five o'clock. But before we get to that, I know
you're near and deer with the Houston Texans. They're hosting
the Chargers. They're a dog in their own building. What
do you think of that one?

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
You know what, I don't know because I don't know
what Texans team is going.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
To show up.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
I didn't get a read on who they were as
a team this year. Some days it would come out,
some weeks it would come out and be amazing, and
then they play some games. I'm like, what is happening
right now? They were too sporadic for me, and so

(01:53:03):
coming into the playoffs with such a young team, such
a young head coach, I don't I don't know what
to expect, right, you get wild about you lose to
the Jets, Yeah, you lose to the Titans, Like, I'm there,

(01:53:27):
you scored VENs.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
I mean, I don't think it's a great football team.
And I think they've been very injured. And I think
above all, the Houston Texans go through their season without
really being challenged, and that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
You know, you talked about this with the Nighters all year,
where you're like, ah, you know, regular season, and I
don't think that that applies to the Texans except for
in this way. I just don't think that the division
is ever really that's scary.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
No, it's not like they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
It's that the Texans are playing their own sort of
like league.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
They don't need to worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
That AFC is just littered with difficult teams and they
don't really have to worry about it. They can win
their nine or ten games and and host in the
first round of the playoffs and go from there. But
I don't think that they are in the class where
they need to be to actually make noise this year

(01:54:32):
in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
But this is you know, it's a even though they're
you know, they're underdogs, it's a favorable matchup for them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
It's workable. I wouldn't be shocked if they won that game.

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Baltimore host in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's lost four.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
In a row.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
Oh, they don't have a shot, no shot, No, why.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
Number one, You know, Baltimore this year has their number.
It looks completely like two different teams are out there,
two different caliber teams out there playing and for their
offense has turned off. It's a lot of drops from

(01:55:25):
their guy we were just talking about, who probably wants
a big bag, but it just it doesn't. I don't
fear it. I don't fear that offense. And I think
the defense can be neutralized by Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson.

(01:55:46):
They won't make the mistake they did last year against
Kansas City and Lamar just standing in the pocket. They
won't do that again. I can promise you that. M hm.
So I think they're too multi fast did it ford
for Pittsburgh to really do anything to have a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
It's interesting you brought up Dereck Henry, and I know
you wanted to talk about this earlier, but the running
back reclamation projects around the league, and and look at
how many of them will be representing their teams in
the playoffs this year. It's Derrick Henry, it's Saquon Barkley,
it's Josh Jacobs, it's Aaron Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
You know, we could go on.

Speaker 4 (01:56:34):
None of their teams wanted them.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
The Chargers, the both of their.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
Backs, None of their teams wanted them, they didn't value them. Hmm.
We talked earlier about left upon Joe Mixon. All those
guys are pro bowlers. Hello, all right, well I see

(01:56:59):
that pinguin switching swinging back or at least coming off
the high priced wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
Yeah it should it should, no doubt should. Yeah. It
has Buffalo hosting Denver.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
You know, it's probably a little early to expect much
out of Denver in that game.

Speaker 3 (01:57:25):
What what do you think about? Scares me? You think?
So that's interesting because they don't know any better.

Speaker 4 (01:57:32):
Shan does. Sean does, But but bo Nicks just might
be like, might be filling themselves after after today.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
Spread is big, it is huge, Buffalo by nine. No,
what do you what do you think about? Yeah? No,
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
Uh the Green Bay Philadelphia game. Obviously we're waiting on
Jordan Love.

Speaker 4 (01:57:58):
But it's too many things up in the air, like
you know, but you know, look Philly they have they
have the recipe and the ball off to that guy
play action. You got two serious weapons and and and
Smith and yeah and Brown sure for sure, Yeah they

(01:58:23):
got it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
Those are the games that will take us right up
to our next show, so we can deal with Washington
and Tampa Bay and whoever the Rams are gonna Monday night,
we can deal with that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
Uh next week. Uh great to show. Happy New Year everybody, Yes,
Happy New Year everyone for Ephraim Salaam.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
I'm Mark WHELERD keep it locked right here on Fox
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