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(00:30):
So Joe, come on now, Joey Chestnut banned from the
twenty twenty four Nathan's Hot Dog Eating contest. Come on, man,
you can't tell me they don't relish the attention. I'm
just trying to catch up on all the facts here

(00:53):
plant dogs? Can they cut the mustard?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
That's just too bad because Joey Chestnut was.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Really on a roll.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
See that I did there. Now the contest looks like
it's in a pickle. Somebody is going to be in
hot water over this, I'll tell you right now. But
can I be Frank who writes his stuff? I'm oping
enough for Shecky Green and the Cat Skills next Tuesday.
Don't forget to tip your waiters. And waitresses and try

(01:23):
to semi boldness spaghetti. A source says Chestnut was paid
two hundred grand do appear in this contest every year
and was offered a one point two million, four year
contract going forward. But it's all ky Bosch right now
because he's accepted a sponsorship deal with plant based hot dogs,
whatever the heck they're called. Okay, there is America right

(01:44):
So now Major League geting, which sanctions sanctions Nathan's to
participate in his contest. His issue a statement quote, We're
devastated to learn that Joy Chestnut has chosen to represent
a rival brand that sells plant based hot dogs.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
BA.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
They went on to great links to say they've been
trying to accommodate Joey and all his demands, but they
can on this one. They likened it to Michael Jordan
going to Nike back in the Day's stay. I really
like you, Nike, but I like to rep Adidas as well.
Hold that thought, because this is actually a developing story.
First of all, I absolutely think and the numbers prove
it that the hot dog eating contest has become one

(02:23):
of the great Americana spectacles of all time. July fourth,
you can look forward to it every year. Look at
these knuckleheads. Okay, so first of all, I want to
start with the crew. Let's let's bring them in here,
Kevin Figures. Do you even watch the hot Dog Indian Contest?
What's your deal?

Speaker 5 (02:40):
No, To be honest with you, I think it's a
little disgusting. So yeah, that's fair tough for me to stomach,
to be honest, and there was no pun intended there
at I don't need the rim shot, Mark, But is
this not my cup of tea? I understand that there's
a giant following behind it and the competitive eating in general,
but it's never been my thing to follow closely, to
be honest.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, and it's it's be really truly become a thing.
And it is disgusting to watch. I'll grant you that.
And I watch it anyway because I find angles to
talk about it. But all right, fair enough? Uh, Mark Ramsey,
do you watch the hot dog eating Contest?

Speaker 6 (03:12):
Not on purpose?

Speaker 7 (03:13):
No?

Speaker 8 (03:13):
I don't thank you for laughing, Thank you for laughing.
I think it's an abuse of hot dogs. It should
be banned all the time. Why mess up a good
hot dog like that? Why just jam it down your throat.
There's no point to just jamming a hot dog down
your throat. You should eat it very carefully with a
nice drink it. Just take your time, watch a baseball game.

(03:35):
Just take it easy, does don't jam it down your face.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
And please tell me you don't put ketchup on your
hot dog.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
You know you're from Chicago.

Speaker 9 (03:42):
I do what I do.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
What I want is my hot dog.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
All fairness, thank you much for another day. I went
off on this on the Mallor Show one night and
raised a hell of a fure. I think you put
ketchup on a hot dog, you're killing it. You're you're
mask You're masking the flavor. It's all right, let's not
go down the road. Do you watch the hot dog
eating contest?

Speaker 9 (04:03):
I do not.

Speaker 10 (04:04):
I feel the same way as Kevin. I think it's
just a little nauseating to me. And I suffer from
heartburn too, and so I'm just thinking of just the
worst possible things. I'm thinking of acid reflex. I'm like,
that's a sophagitis going down in like, you know, four
hours from now. So it's just I can't.

Speaker 11 (04:24):
I can't.

Speaker 10 (04:25):
I'm drinking ginger ell while I'm watching it. I'm like, oh,
if I watch like thirty seconds of it, I turn
it real quick.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
We're gonna have to hook you up with some probios. Yes, yeah, listen.
Dipping the bun and water and all that is not
my favorite thing.

Speaker 10 (04:41):
But disrespect to the carbs of the hot dog bun,
for sure.

Speaker 11 (04:45):
Disrespect.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
I covered a lot of good ground. There covered a
lot of good ground. Ian, my man, do you watch
the hot dog eating contest?

Speaker 12 (04:54):
Not really, I mean I'll have it on in the background.
But guys, I can at least appreciate a sport. I'm
not gonna sit here and, you know, dump all over
the sport and call it disgusting. I mean, you know
it is to an extent, but but uh, you know,
there's we have to be able to appreciate this like
it's it's mega popular for a reason.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
I think it's disrespectful to athletes to call this a sport. Yeah,
probably of a competition. Joe.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Back in two thousand and four, while I was doing
radio in Detroit, I said, let's define what a sport is.
I said three things. It's a sport if you can
bet on it. That's one. Well, you can bet on it. Yes,
but here comes a big butt peewee. Can you pull
a hamstring?

Speaker 9 (05:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I don't think so.

Speaker 9 (05:43):
Well, can you trash talk?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
You got two of the three. You gotta be able
to pull a HAMI trash talk and bet on him.
See it's only two of the three. But go ahead,
you got the last word.

Speaker 12 (05:51):
Well, Bernie, you'd be surprised what I would manage to
pull my hamstring doing. Okay, I I think I could
man This guy's.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Actually train see their training. I am not joking that
Kobayashi thirty for thirty about five years ago. Dial it up, man.
Uh So, Okay, I'm the only freak here that I
watch it. Okay, it's it's July fourth, it's the Thursday
this year. My last yeary Arnie and I did a
show on July third. We handicapped the whole thing, and

(06:20):
people bet it. Let's go back around the room because
here's one of the angles here. All right, we all
eat hot dogs. Come on, man, if you don't need
a hot dog, you know your first line for a
front of lobotomy.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I love personally the old beef hot dogs that eat
at Costco. Those things are tremendous. Free plug for Costco.
Maybe you should sponsor our show. I don't know if
I'm beating plant hot dogs anytime soon. I did try
one a few years ago. It wasn't horrible, but I
ate my first choice. So here's the thing, assuming you

(06:52):
eat hot dogs, Kevin, do you eat plant hot dogs.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
I've never tried a plant based hot dog, so, but
I've tried plant based burgers and they are pretty good.
So I would like them every now and then, So
sure I try one? Absolutely well? Fair enough, Mark Ramsey,
you're from Chicago. Would you eat a plant based hot dog?

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I love it. Allow myself to introduce myself.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
All right, we're not a chance.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
We're clearing that one. Uh Bree, would you need a
plant based hot dog?

Speaker 10 (07:23):
I would eat one, but I have never had it yet. No,
I haven't had one yet, but I would. I was
like Kevin, I have plant based burgers and things like that,
but not a hot dog.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I wonder if I wonder if they ever made burger
based plants. That would be so right?

Speaker 4 (07:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I did try one, Okay, I gotta be fair. I
did try one once, but I didn't like having on
a bun. I put it in some beans, you know,
hot dogs and beans, and you know it was so
hot you kind of sort of kind of couldn't tell
the difference. Then about it. Three days later, I had
a regular hot dogg said, oh, yeah, you can, but
they're not listen. I'm not here to disparage you them.
I'm gonna make up an overar point here in just

(08:01):
a second. In Okay, everybody's open minded to have eaten
a plant based hot dog, but I think I'm the
only one who's eaten one before in plant based hot
doges or no.

Speaker 12 (08:14):
No, I'm sorry to keep it boring, but I also
have never had a plant based hot dog.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I'm keeping it boring. So here's the deal. These two
things are not related. Could they have not had a
meeting in the minds? So what if you want, all
that's going to do is bring more attention to the
hot dog eating contest. So what if he wants to
have plant based they're paying to do to. You know,
he makes over half a million year Joey Chestnut building
this brand, and he works his butt off, by the way,

(08:39):
I know that may sound contratruitive, but he really does.
So let's go back around the room. Is it fair
that Joey Chestnut has been omitted from this year's contest?
Start with you, Kevin figures fair?

Speaker 6 (08:52):
Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
I mean, look, I certainly understand Nathan's if you believe
this is a competitor and he's going to be out
there wearing a jersey or a shirt and talk the bottom.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
I understand the competition there.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
But I also think Nathan's is losing out if they
say we don't want you to be there, because a
lot of people.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
Tune in just to see him, exactly right.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
I think they're cutting off their notes despite their face
by doing this. It is the ego play for them. So, oh,
you want to represent somebody else, you're not going to
be here?

Speaker 4 (09:15):
All right?

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Fine, well, how do my own one off on Netflix?
They have better ratings than you.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
That's when we talk about that later. That's coming up September. Second.
I'll talk about that at the end of the show.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think he's done a good point there, Kevin. They
got a little butt hurt, but they compared it to
Jordan telling Nike is it okay for a Repididas too?

Speaker 9 (09:35):
See.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't know if that's a fair analogy because Adienis
was already a very established shoe brand. And I mean
a plant hot dog is not a regular hot dog.
And I'm not again, I didn't cage bad. I'm just
saying it's not my first choice. But I'm I'm not.
I'm just I'm a red blood in America and I
just can't do the vegan Franks. There's nothing wrong with them.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I don't need olives either. I'm Italian. Figure that one out.
Black people eat olives because go to the grocery store
there's rose and rose of olives, right, So I hope
I didn't have to hand in my Italian card there.
Calibras all right, Mark Ramsey, Are they being fair to
Joey Chestnut?

Speaker 8 (10:17):
I would say, I guess they're being fair because they
don't want Plant Base to cut into the other hot
dog business. So they're trying to draw a line between
are you a hot dog person or are you this
manufactured out of a out of a test tube, out
of a scientific experiment. We're trying to just set the tone.

(10:40):
Are you with us or you against us? We're not
gonna play both sides.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
That's okay, okay, it's pretty any point there, pretty heady
point impossible. Foods is like, wait, we stepped up, we
paid your money, and they do have good products. I've
had their sausage. It's okay, it's good. It actually tastes good.
I've tried their hamburgers. It tastes good. I'm just saying, Okay,
I'm just saying, I'll have an umbrella drink. We Actually

(11:04):
I don't. I'm a Crown Row guy. Okay, Bree, perfect
segue to you. Are they being fair to joy Chestnut?

Speaker 10 (11:12):
I mean I think they're they're being fair to their
brand and kind of their whole like marketing idea and
what you know they believe in. But I mean he's
a competitive eater. He can go and eat pizza, he
can go and stuff seventeen slices down his throat for Dominoes.
So I mean they're lucky that he has been the
face for them and has done all these things for them.

(11:33):
But you know, if they if they're confident in their
brand and we're going to sell X amount of dollars
and they're going to do that, that contest, and if
they're okay with the decrease in ratings and they want
to stick to that, that's fine, but he's.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Going to be a gentle interesting see if there is
a decrease in ratings, there will be let's watch that's
let's keep an eye on that. Yeah, excellent, I'd cuts
you off breed anything else be good? All good, All good, Okay, Ian,
you got the last word on this as far as
the whether or not this is fair and if you
brought up a good points about possible ratings issues, et cetera. Uh,

(12:08):
your thoughts on that whole deal.

Speaker 12 (12:10):
I mean, I'd definitely like to see I mean, this
is coming after me saying I don't really watch it,
like I have it on in the background. I'll see
the clips on Twitter. So I do still want to
see Joey chestnutt in the Nathan's Eating Competition. Obviously, it
sucks that he's not going to be in it, But.

Speaker 11 (12:24):
Is it fair?

Speaker 12 (12:25):
I honestly, I think it is just because it was
in his contract. No, so if he then decided to
go and sign with you know, some impossible meats company
that specifically said he couldn't do that in his contract,
he knew what he was doing. And even if it,
you know, is somebody that maybe shouldn't have been in
the contract in the first place he signed it.

Speaker 11 (12:46):
You got to know what you're signing, So I think
it's fair.

Speaker 9 (12:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (12:49):
I don't think you can sit here and claim that
it's not fair if it was something that he signed.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Okay, good, good stuff all the way around on all
three questions by the crew. Keep in mind, this event
is attended by thirty thousand people, no joke. It's a
spectacle of the highest order. Thirty thousand people will go,
millions watch it on TV. And Brie dropped a little
nugget in there about pizza. Did you know that Joey

(13:16):
Chestnut holds world records twenty seven world records for eating?
Oh yes, I am. This one's for you, Peter in Ottawa.
He holds the record for Taco bell soft shell beef
tacos need fifty three and ten minutes. Anything to neat
with that, anything to drink with that? How about twinkies?

(13:38):
He's got the record Joey Chestnut one hundred and twenty
one twinkies in six minutes. Anybody in his crew like
chicken wings? Okay, I'll take it as yes, Joey Chestnut.

Speaker 9 (13:51):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Now here's the part that blows me away. His record
is four hundred and thirteen chicken wings. He took them
twelve hours?

Speaker 9 (13:59):
Are you eat me?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I think I've done anything in my life twelve hours straight?
Maybe sleep? How about Lays donuts? Fifty five glaves donuts
in eight minutes? Hard boiled eggs for you, for you,
ketle lovers, I'm one of them. One hundred and forty
one hard boiled eggs in eight minutes. One hundred and
forty one hard boiled eggs in eight minutes. How many

(14:21):
Big Max can you eat? If you're like you know
you've had a few gentlemen Jackson died cokes in your system?
How many Big Macs can you eat?

Speaker 10 (14:28):
I could probably do a good two.

Speaker 11 (14:29):
And a half.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Believe that that's pretty badass.

Speaker 10 (14:31):
And then just half of one. I don't know about
that other half. I might like save it for later,
but I would have like a medium fry and a
diet coke. So all of those very nice you and
half for.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Sure that's a well routed meal. Well guess what, Joey
Chestnut thirty two Big Max in thirty eight minutes can
make this up? Stuff up? Folks. Kevin figures you like
grilled cheese sandwiches.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
I Do I love groll cheese?

Speaker 9 (14:53):
I knew that.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
No, I didn't, but I got lucky there. All right,
how many can you eat Kevin grilled cheese?

Speaker 6 (14:58):
I'll probably take time about ten them, to be honest,
on a good day.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
I love that, man.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I love that. We got to have Luve someday. Well,
Joey Chestnut forty seven girl Sea sandwiches in ten minutes.
That's a record. That's a record. That's a record. That's
a record. That's a record. Now, nothing out here about pizza?
Mark Grahams. Do you like pepperoni? Rules?

Speaker 13 (15:20):
No?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
All right, well we ate forty three and ten minutes.
How about parogis? You like parogis? You're from Chicago?

Speaker 6 (15:27):
Pass?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
He had one hundred and sixty five and eight minutes.
How about the Pistrami sandwiches?

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Pass?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, we talked about this last week. I think or
Cat's Deli where I've been there in New York, where
Harry met Sally and she had a little delio half
portion of pistrami sandwiches. He ate twenty five of them
in ten minutes. How about got to come up with
something you like here? Do you like pull pork sandwiches?

Speaker 9 (15:56):
Why?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Not. How many can you eat?

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Uh, let's go with two?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
You ate forty five and ten minutes. Finally, Ian, you
got the last one. I can't get to all these records.
Do you like ice cream sandwiches?

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
How many can you eat?

Speaker 11 (16:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (16:14):
My teeth get kind of sensitive, so probably one. Brain
freeze too, right, yeah, brain freeze on the.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Twenty six ice cream sandwiches in six minutes, twenty six.
Anybody in his crew like glazed donuts?

Speaker 9 (16:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Definitely? Hello, Hello? Who can eat the most glazed donuts?
Can anybody eat ten?

Speaker 11 (16:33):
I could eat ten for sure?

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Twelve non.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Twelve glazed donuts?

Speaker 6 (16:40):
Is that with milk or without milk?

Speaker 2 (16:42):
So your choice, your choice. This is America Live, how
you want to live?

Speaker 9 (16:45):
With ketchup?

Speaker 11 (16:46):
Just kidding?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I love it. Fifty five glazed donuts in eight minutes.
So you see Joey chestnut Man. When you wave goodbye,
you wave goodbyto Nkon. Now there may be still some
sort of there may be still some sort of de
new mall here they can come to, because we're still
a couple weeks away from July fourth, but the fourth
of July tradition light no weather, the absolute spectacle of

(17:10):
all spectacles will look a little unrecognizable this year without
Joey Chestnut and I haven't shed a tear yet, but
I might on July fourth. No, not really, I won't
do that. But still, it's a topic, trust me, and
the topic's only going to eat up as we get closer.
I didn't give Kevin and Mark a chance to weigh
in on Caitlin Clark and Danny Hurley if we're going

(17:30):
to do that coming up, because it's important and you
think this topic's going away, it ain't going away. Can
you imagine, by the way, if JJ Reddick turns him
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(17:53):
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(18:15):
Don't go anywhere. You're listening to the Bernie Frawdle Show
on Fox Sports Radio. All right back on the Bernie
Frale Show Comedy livethetire dot Com studios here in Las
Vegas Fox Sports Radio. Let's get Kevin into this discussion. Kevin,
you're in LA. I knew a thing or two about hoops.
What were your thoughts when you found out that Danny
Hurley turned on the job.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
Wasn't the least bit surprised, To be honest with you.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
I lawed the Lakers for taking the big swing at it,
but all the stuff that you were hearing, you know,
once you heard that he put it, they put up
a quote unquote compelling case, and he was flying back
east to mull over his options. He kind of figured
that that was a nail on the coff And usually
in situations like this, when they fly somebody out and
there's a giant meeting, they're not gonna let you leave
the room and they're gonna sign you as a new

(18:57):
head coach if it's actually gonna happen. So I was
pessimistic when I saw that report from Ward from WOJ
and then the next day, obviously the news broke that
he was staying. There are just too many things working
against the Lakers in this situation. You talked about him
liking being on the East Coast. Obviously the contract numbers
didn't match up the way that they wanted it to.
The Laker job just isn't that great of a job
right now. And I don't know if it's worth leaving

(19:19):
Yukon right now for that particular NBA job. There are
other jobs that you can get, and I think you'll
still be a hot name after this next season, even
if you don't win a national championship. So I just
don't think this was the right move at the right
time for him. So I'm not the least bit surprise
that he decided to stay, and I would have been
more surprised Bernie had he taken the job.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
To be honest, right, I'm in agreement and I was
pretty emphatic about that. All Right. Did the Olympic Committee
make the right decision on Caitlin Clark?

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Well, I think it's sort of complicated.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
I mean, look, the Olympic Committee after if you want
to say, what is their job and their obligation, I
think is to try to put the best what twelve thirteen,
however many players it is that makes the roster onto
the roster to give them a chance to win. So
if you want to make an argument, I'm not going
to lie and say that I watch a lot out
of women's basketball.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
I know who the top twelve to fifteen players are.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
I would say it's unlikely that Kaitlyn Clark right now
is one of the top fifteen players in women's basketball
right now. Now along with that, are they gonna need
all twelve players? I mean, the women's team is not
a national team. Hasn't lost the game since nineteen ninety two,
and even then they've lost three. They lost twice in
seventy six, and they lost once to ninety two, and
they haven't lost in the Olympics ever since. So the

(20:24):
twelve person at the end of the bench really is
going to make a difference one way or the other. So,
from that standpoint, if you're talking about marketing dollars, eyeballs,
put her at the end of the bench, you're gonna
be up by fifty at the end of the first
half most of the time. Anyway, and throw her into
the game, get more sponsorships attached to it. So from
a business standpoint, I would understand why you would take her.
From a basketball standpoint, if you're a member of the

(20:45):
committee for picking the best basketball players, I would understand
why you would want to leave her off.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Fair enough, And I'm okay with the decision to leave
her off. And I'm a big Caitlyn Clark fan, and
I gave plenty receipts at the top of the show
that are object the truth rather than the people in
their person. Feels good, good stuff, Kevin Mark Ramsey start
with Caitlin Clark. Did they leave her? Leaving her off
the team is at the right decision.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
I think it's a good decision because her presence might
not have made that much of a difference other than
the star power and her face. And she's on the
team since they already have a bunch of winners to
play the game and to make sure the important part
is to win the games. She wouldn't make that much

(21:30):
of a difference, So it's fine to leave her off.
I mean, she can have a chance, you know when
it comes around again.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
And then, of course, what were your thoughts when you
heard that Danny Hurley said, not no hell noe to
the Lakers.

Speaker 8 (21:43):
I think when a person has to make a decision
about something and you get a piece of paper and
draw a line down and the pros and then the
cons about what it is looking at the Lakers, that
they are, as you have said, a dumpster fire in
the sense, and that it would take too much trouble

(22:03):
to become a coach of a bunch of guys that
think they don't need anyone to help them, and all
that it goes into trying to get their minds of
how to win again, versus being with everybody has said
he's a teacher, So staying in college he can still
teach people that want to learn, versus people that who

(22:26):
is this guy? Yeah he's good in college, but what
has he done for me? I don't care. And then
the long run, whatever success he might have would go
to one of his teammates versus he gets the applause for.
So there's a no win situation. It would take too
much trouble. There's too many hurdles to come to la

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versus staying where he is, and he could be on
the verge of having another good season to be a
three time winner, so just too much trouble to come here.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, Bo, both stories have I think pros and cons,
and we'll just see how these issues play out, because
I don't think it's going away anytime soon. We have
to see, you know, certainly the Caitlin Karth thing is
going to last the whole season and maybe beyond. And
then of course we'll see if jj Reddick takes a

(23:24):
Lakers job, which we believe he will, but what if
he doesn't. What if he doesn't That just perhaps shinns
a bigger spotlight on the fact that Danny Hurley said, no,
we covered all including soccer coming up Chris Perfet's World
of Soccer, But first go back to our guy, Kevin
Figures for the latest.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
All right, Bernie is there will be a Game five
of the NBA Finals on Monday night. This after the
Mavericks molly wapped the Celtics one twenty two to eighty four.
Luka Donchig and Kyrie Irving actually struggled from beyond the arc,
just combining to go one of fourteen from three point range,
but the MAVs held it down defensively, holding the Celtics
to just thirty six percent shooting the out rebound Boston

(24:00):
fifty two to thirty one and one points in the paint.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
Sixty to twenty six.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
Celtics still leading the series three games to one, they
will be able to close it out yet again in
Boston on Monday nights and Golf's second round at the
US Open. Ludvig Obert has a one stroke lead over
Bryson Deshambeau and Patrick Cantley, while Roy McElroy is two
strokes back.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
World number one.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Scottie Scheffler barely made the cut at five over, while
Tiger Woods missed the cut. And Baseball Seattle has won
five of their last six. They lead the AO West
by six and a half games after defeating Texas three
to two. The Dodgers defeated the Royals four to three
after falling behind three nothing despite committing five errors. The
Reds defeated at Milwaukee six to five for their ninth
win in their last eleven games. Chris Sale now seven

(24:42):
to zero at home after the Braves beat Tampa Bay
seven to three. Former Red Sock alex Erdugo with three
hits in a home run for the Yankees as a
hammer at Boston eight to one. Back to Bernie Freddo.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
All right, thanks Kevin. We covered all on The Bernie
Fradle Show, and as you know, each week at this
time to bring you Chris Burfetts World Soccer Dang.

Speaker 7 (25:03):
The greatest goals, the thrilling finishes, the international drama.

Speaker 9 (25:16):
HII at the end of the luck.

Speaker 7 (25:19):
It's all here in this report from the World of Soccer.

Speaker 13 (25:23):
Finally, Bernie, after all these months, we finally made it
to the international schedule that actually matters. We're talking about
UWEIFA European Championship twenty twenty four or EUROS and the
Copa America for Konmo Bowl and Conka caf here twenty
twenty four. We haven't had as much time off as
usually four years between these tournaments, but you know, because

(25:45):
of COVID, a lot of that were played in twenty
twenty one, so teams coming back with a little less
time off than we anticipate, which means we just get
right straight at it. Euro is beginning this weekend. There's
already been a game played. We'll talk about that one
in a second, and but here next weekend, let's try
to preview both and we're going to start with Euros

(26:05):
European Championship is one of my favorite tournaments in the world.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
It is phenomenal.

Speaker 13 (26:12):
It is like the World Cup, but on a much
smaller scale, and already Germany is off to a flying
start five to one over Scotland the game on Friday.
Scotland had some buzz coming into this contest, but man,
they let Germany handle them effortlessly. Tony Kruz free to
deal damage all day long. All you had to do
was just leave him up there and he gets an

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immaculate ninety foot cross to Florian Wurtz gets the goal started.
It's the kind of teamwork which we kind of expect
to see from Germany. It'd be interesting to see how
far they can go in a tournament where they haven't
had the same kind of success as has been previous years.

Speaker 9 (26:48):
Now.

Speaker 13 (26:48):
Italy are the defending champions and they come in licking
a lot of wounds and it wasn't really even an
easy road for them to get here. A goalless draw
against Ukraine at the end of their qualification did get
them in, but it wasn't the proud way to go in,
and they need to do some late stage homework in
the last few matches prior to that, to get the

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points to get in and to be honest, the twenty
twenty championship for them is starting to feel more and
more bittersweet, and it was made more and more bittersweet
by missing out on the twenty twenty two FIFA World Cup.
It was made bittersweet by Roberto Mancini resigning a lot
of the old generation simply being lost, and by the

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days as it goes by, that twenty twenty euro crown
feels just a little heavier, a little worse for wear
because it just wasn't a prelude to a good Italian club. Now, however,
we've got Luciano Spiletti and unfortunately he's dealing with the
circus already. They've been spent the week in Italy arguing
with the press about some misinterpreted words from him about

(27:54):
a quote PlayStation ban unquote. But it's not the same
squad as before, and this is an Italian team that
is lacking attacking options. They know, how longer have Varati,
they no longer have Incigne. They will have Jean Lucas
Scamaca nineteen goals this season for Adalanta, but he's only
scored for Italy one time so far, but this will

(28:15):
be a really good defensive squad. I just don't know
if that's really going to cut it in twenty twenty four.
And it's really tough for me as an Italian fan
to watch this and just kind of hold my breath
wondering what's gonna go wrong. But my pick for euro
and I keep doing this and I regret it every
year though, is England. But here's the thing, if not now,

(28:37):
when for England. This England squad features a wonderful midfield
Jude Bellingham, Declan Rice. They have a resurgent Harry Kane
who was great in Germany this past year, the phenomenal
buyak Osaka sixteen goals for Arsenal. They came so close
in twenty twenty losing in that shootout to Italy. But

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each year England comes back more loaded, more stocked up,
and much like the World Cup, you have to wonder
are they going to screw this up or are they
actually going to bring it home. You just kind of
hold your breath wondering what's going to happen. But still
on paper to the best team, they're one of the
favorites and they're my pick for Euro twenty twenty four.
Let's move over to Copa America. It's going to start

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next week. There's always this is a contest that always
seems to come down to Argentina and Brazil. Argentina the
defending champions once again here. This is probably Lionel Messi's
final time with Argentina. I don't know if he's going
to be on the World Cup squad one more time,
but it's certainly going to be the last Copa for
one of the greatest players we've ever seen. Brazil always

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a heavyweight in this, but let's talk about the United States,
who will be playing along with several other CONCA Caffe
nations like Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama. USA had a
one to one draw against Brazil and a friendly leading
up to this tournament. It ended in eleven game losing
streak against Brazil for the USA, so that's a good sign.

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But the week prior we had a five to one
loss to Colombia and it just once again reinforces the
problem with the United States. A massive, massive, very inconsistent
and really it's kind of always been the frustration watching
a Greg bear Halter squad where you just know they
have the talent there, and they know they have the

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talent to compete, but it just never really seems to
translate game to game, and you're just left stretching your
head wondering, why does this club, why does this team
who can draw even with Brazil, one of the greatest
nations in the world at soccer, and then lose five
to one to Columbia earlier than that. It never makes sense.
And this is going to be the USA playing on

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its home turf here in America, this is where COPA
will be, and it just keeps going back months and months.
You can look to the game against Jamaica in March
and the speech by Greg Berhalter there as he's just
trying to get his guys in the United States to
take all of these games seriously if they are going
to compete at COPA. By his own admission, it seems

(31:07):
to be in one year out the other sometimes, which
is terrifying to think about really, because that's ultimately been
the problem with the United States has been this consistency.
And if I may, Bernie, where's the buzz around the
US men's team, the women always getting a lot of attention.
Yes we know that, but like, where is the buzz
around this US men's scene. This is supposedly great generation.

(31:30):
I have seen plenty of empty stadiums for a Team USA.
It is certainly not the kind of fan turnout we
used to get when it was Tim Howard and Landon
Donovan and Clinton Dempsey. It feels like that fire under
the fan base has just completely gone out and nobody
is really resonating with this current generation. This squad is

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better than ever, and yet media attention is nowhere near
what it was just ten years ago with that past generation.
Nobody has really resonated with these guys right now, And
to be honest, can't really blame them when we have
these kind of consistency problems, because yes, Christian Pulisich is better,
and yes Giovanni Raina is better, even though he keeps
getting screwed out of a lot of playing time no

(32:12):
matter which your plep and club he goes to. But
it's really hard when you just see these guys out
there with a lack of fire game to game. You
want them to fight like dogs like Clint Dempsey did,
and I just I don't think that's there right now.
And that's ultimately ultimately going to hurt them in Copa.
For me, me though, on Copa, my favorite, my favorite

(32:32):
is on Brazil Venicius Junior, Rodrigo. They've had some fantastic
players here from the club side of things, and expect
again another wonderful outing from Vensius Junior. I'm kind of
hoping good things from this Brazil squad here, especially as
Argentina starts to show its age. I think if we're
just talking about the United States, you just hope to

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see them in the knockout round and come out of
their group, which should be easy for them there playing Bolivia,
Panama and Uruguay. But Panama has always been trouble for
the United States for whatever reason, and Uruguay is no slouch.
That's it for me, Bernie, enjoy Copa, Enjoy Euros. We've
got plenty to talk about next time on the World
of Soccer.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
All right, Chris brought up a lot of good points there.
But coming up we wrap up the show and we
might dive back into the world of hot dogs. There
might be something for you to look forward to, something
called Unfinished Beef. Yeah, I'll tell you what. Never miss

(33:40):
a chance to capitalize if you get my drift. And
I actually think, I actually think this little deal coming
up September second might just be with the doctor order.
By the way, just one thing, and Mark, you know
I love you like a fat kid love cake. But man,
I can't get past the ketchup on the hot dog deal. Man.

(34:01):
I just feel like when you put ketchup on a
hot dog, you're not enhancing the flavor. You're camouflaging it.
It's killing you.

Speaker 8 (34:07):
Killing Ketchup used to be something sweet that I would take.
But once I found out ketchup is too sweet and
you should cut it out, then I went over to mustard.
But I enjoyed it because it was sweet all fair.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Man. I just I'm hung up on this one. I
just feel like ketchup on hot dogs like putting ice
cubes and wine. Man, so like eating pizza with a spoon, but.

Speaker 8 (34:27):
If you want it cold, you want to put ice
in the wine.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Thank you for dlyving.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
I could see we have I could see we have
future topics coming up here as we are no longer
no longer.

Speaker 8 (34:40):
Some people like the little noise when they stir their
you know, when they swig their cup.

Speaker 11 (34:45):
They tink tink, tink tin.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I learned something new. I learned something new. All right,
coming up, we wrap up the show and I share
with you an alternative to July fourth. It'll be September second,
and yeah, it's gonna be a big deal. I'm Bernie Friday.
We're kevity A live from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio,
TIREC dot Com Studios. Keep it locked. You're listening to
the Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right,

(35:09):
we are wrapping it up on the Bernie Fraddle Show.
And before I go any further, I want to thank
my broadcast team. They've been with me since eleven pm
Pacific time on a Friday night. Ian Roddy, great job
as always, and thanks for your help assisting Brie, who
joined the show tonight. She'll be back with me on
Saturday night. Here at eleven pm Pacific. We sign on

(35:32):
again here, eh, what about twenty two hours something like that.
We'll do the math later eleven pm Saturday night, Pacific,
eleven pm to three am. Mark Ramsey turning all the dials,
keeping U schooed together. Great job as always, and of
course Kevin figures with his updates and great job by
the crew weighing in on the Caitlin Clark situation and
Danny Hurley, among other things. And of course, hey, you

(35:54):
know it's a hot dog world. Man. We like hot dogs,
and you know we also so like Netflix and Chill.
Well that's there's a segue, Netflix and Chill. Well, maybe
not Netflix and Chill, but Netflix and hot dogs. Well,
turns out Netflix is getting into the competitive eating business. No,
and I'm not talking about Mike Tyson maybe biting Jake

(36:15):
Paul's here work with me. Labor Day, September second, two
legends of the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest, Joey Chestnut
and Takaro Kobayashi. But you didn't know his first name.
You just saw Kobayashi. They will have their center stage
on Netflix and a live special event called Chestnut Versus

(36:39):
Kobayashi and Unfinished Beef. Now, we don't know where the
this fight's gonna take place. We know we'll coach. You know,
the Tyson Fight's gonna take place in Jerry Jones World
in Dallas or Arlington. Excuse me, we still know the
specific timing, but we do know this. Netflix has said
no pun The hot dogs will be all beef, no

(37:00):
plant hot dogs here, Okay, so listen, you have to
know that these two guys actually went head to head,
Kobayashi and enjoy Chestnut for a long time, Chestnut beat
Kobayashi and a five hot dogs sudden death eat off.
I guess you'd call it that, right. That's the last

(37:21):
time that competed had to head Believe it or not,
it was two thousand and nine. So Chessnut won this
event sixteen times. Nathan's winner, including the last eight years,
not allowed to participate this year after he ate the
scholarship with Impossible Foods, which recently released a plant based dog.
So I think his absence could have an impact on

(37:41):
the ratings. We'll see. I think brought that up there,
somebody brought up But here's the point. Chestnuts still holds
the record for most hot dogs consumed in ten minutes
seventy six. But Kobayashi really gets Chestnuts attention. He says,
of all my years and competitive eating, Kobayashi stands out
as my fiercest rival. You compete against him. He made me.

(38:05):
He pushed me to be so much better Netflix giving
people what they want.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
So September second, even though it doesn't look like we're
gonna be able to see Joey Chestnut compete in the
Nathan's Contest. Here a week from Thursday. Two weeks from Thursday,
we'll see these two go ahead to head on September second,
and I think it'll bring up big, a big audience,
So we'll continue to follow this. Netflix is getting in

(38:34):
the game. Man, they ain't playing. They're in the NFL
now and Tyson, Jake, Paul and now out now the
hot Dog eating contest. All right, So it's gonna do
it for the Bernie Frattle Show. I'll be back on
these airwaves eleven PM Saturday night. We'll preview Game five.
We got the crack Man coming on. More NBA with
Mark Medina, Charles Barkley. Moving on, we'll get into this
NBA bleed money, got to talk to Major League Baseball,

(38:56):
this pitching freak, Paul Skins, NFL updates, plus brand new
Folan what my Name?

Speaker 9 (39:01):
Hell?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Maybe I'll tell the Taco Bell story two more times
because people like it, they want it. It's gonna do
for the Bernie Frattle Show. See you Saturday night, eleven pm.
Keep it locked up next my guy Anthony Argano, don't listening.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
To Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Well, good morning, good morning, go morning, god morning, good morning,
good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
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Scheffler struggles. Scottie Scheffler struggled big time. Just makes the cut.
The cut line had been three and then it moved

(40:04):
to four, and then just towards the end of the
round two, it moves to five and he's able to
make the cut, but he was perilsly close to missing it.
After dominating the season, wins, the previous tournament, the whole thing,
and it looked like he was lapping the field when

(40:27):
it came to it. And it shows you, It shows
you the greatness that Tiger Woods was, Like, how incredible
he was that he missed, you know, like of what
he accomplished. So you see something like that, we see
Scheffler's dominance. We automatically invoked the last great dominant player
who was Tiger. And you know, you see Scotty come

(40:49):
down there for a little bit and you go wow, Okay,
well that's the sport. So we're talking about like the
humanity of it, and there's we somehow like to empathize
with golfers who struggle. So we'll be cause of the elements,
whether it's the course and the fats greens of Pinehurst

(41:11):
or the whipping winds that would happen in Scotland. We
kind of like that right at sports fans. Whereas if
Josh Allen is playing a twelve degree below zero weather
and it misses a wide open receiver, he gets crossed
even though he can't feel his figures.

Speaker 9 (41:32):
Well, look at Tyreek Hill last year. He gets dropped
in a little bit of press coverage in a cold game,
and all of a sudden it becomes a meme that
just lives on right like it is interesting to me
and I understand. You know, Figure made a good point
that it's just you against you and it's you against
the elements and all of these things. I think, for
whatever reason, it's interesting to me that we have grace

(41:54):
in that situation, but not grace when somebody is being
chased down by a three hundred pound lineman that also,
by the way, you're run a forty yard dash faster
than most people listening could ever imagine. Right, Like, you've
got somebody barreling down on Scotty Scheffler. Let's see how
he shoots, right, Like, Let's see, let's just see in general,
how his round goes if instead of everybody having to
be completely silent around it and making sure.

Speaker 14 (42:15):
That they're not disturbing Scotty, well, he gets ready to
shoot if instead, all of a sudden, you got somebody
yelling in his face in many cases in these sports,
saying the worst things that you could possibly.

Speaker 9 (42:28):
Say to somebody, while somebody else is chasing him down
with the golf club swinging it at him. Let's see
how he shoots that, Yeah, Like, that's it's wild to me.
Man's wild. But I think it's because so many people have,
so many adults, particularly have fallen in love with the
game of golf for themselves, right and accepted the mediocrity

(42:50):
that most people play with as this right of passage
of like, hey, we're all one. It's part of the
golf game. It's part of what makes it beautiful. Like
I think it's wild. I do not understand how you
can be circling the wagons is the best in the
world and have the shortest odds we've seen and everybody's
in love with it, and then struggle in the tournament
and people be like, Oh, what's great about golf?

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Bah blah.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
I will say I wish every golf tournament was like
the Phoenix Open, the waste management. Yeahs yelling and screaming
at you. I want every time to be that way.
Why do golfers get a special privilege of everybody saying,
speak quiet, not in my swing. Remember Tiger Woods, someone
took a picture. Meanwhile the guy is standing there Game
seven to the NBA Finals with their free throw to
win it, and people are flashing and flashing cameras are

(43:33):
doing all sorts of stuff to distract you. Why does
that okay in basketball but not in golf. That's one
thing I've hated about golf for years. I mean, there
are many things I hate about golf, but that is
chief among them, the fact that everything has to be
perfect and silent when in other professional sporting setting, is
it like that.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
No, you're right, and all kinds of things are going
on and you got to make a free throat, you.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
Know, let's just let's just call it like it is.
All the years I was on tour, ever once never
once was I on stage when somebody actually flashed their movies.
I don't understand where it missed. Yeah, like everybody thinks
it's a commonplace now. Certainly I wasn't out with, you know,
an eighties rock band. I think that probably is part
of it, like the average the average crowd a little
different than the country music festival. But yeah, there was

(44:16):
one time somebody said somebody did, but I didn't see.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
It, so like I, you know, were on stage at least.

Speaker 9 (44:22):
No, no, well no, actually there was one tour where
some underwear came up on. It was not with the
band Perry, but there was some of it. But then
like that's weird, like did you like, how did that
make it up on? I don't know. I just I'm
just saying I missed out on that entire experience.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I want to go I gotta tell you, that's why
I imagine.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
I just imagined you were like in Sea a Pennies.

Speaker 9 (44:43):
Yeah, I wish there's there's. It was just not like
a couple of things compounded. Number one, Especially for the
peak of my success in music, I was touring with
you know, a band that was We were often called
the Milk and Cookies Tour because it's not like any
of us really partied that hard our music. It certainly
didn't have an audience that is out there flashing and
like I played the fiddle, let's be realized, it wasn't

(45:03):
the drummer. So, like, you know, it just feels like
I lost all my street credit. But I want to
go back to Figgy said earlier, like there's this moment
when you walk into you guys are talking about walking
into the gym and playing basketball. What's interesting to me
is from the minute most of us walk into the
gym and play basketball, we have a pretty good understanding
of who we are the minute we walk into that

(45:24):
gym and what we're gonna have to do to excel.
Even at the lowest level, you're just playing in a
church league, You're walking into a random YMCA, you're playing
like I know the minute I walk in is a
five nine hundred and sixty five pounds white guy that
does not particularly exude athleticism. When I walk in, I
know that I'm gonna have to run like crazy, I'm
gonna have to play a good dee. I'm gonna have
to do all of the cliches before I'll even see

(45:46):
the ball, right. But that's just part of what the
process is. It's part of what you enjoy about it.
Like we fall in love with that in golf. What's
amazing to me is how many of my friends are
not good golfers, but they have it in their head.
You know, I played pretty well today. It's like there's
this delusion around the entire game that I don't understand.
Like if you're if you're struggling to break a hundred

(46:07):
when you're playing golf, news flash, you're not very good
at this. Like you're just really walking around on grass,
swinging the club at the ball and getting angry all day.
I don't see how that's relaxing.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
You're fun, Yeah, I listen. I'm not a golfer.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
I would love to be a golfer, but like you, Fitz,
I think this is where we we have a lot
in common, and and I gotta believe figure you're you're
kind of like this, although I think you're you're decent
at it, so it keeps you coming back.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
You got like a bug.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
I haven't gotten a bug yet because I stink right,
And I refuse to go out to do something I'm
bad at, like really bad at, because I don't find it.
It's not about pride or anything else. I just don't
find it enjoying. I don't enjoy it. And I love
the sport. I love watching it. I'll go play a

(46:59):
video game. I'll go play Tiger Woods, right.

Speaker 9 (47:02):
I play right, but I won't.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
I can't play because I'm not good. And with that sport,
you need to work at it. I don't have the
time to work.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
I don't have the time.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
I got two kids, I'm running around after and there's
no way in.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
The world I'll have time to play to even get good.

Speaker 9 (47:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
I don't know down the line. My wife asked me
the other day, She's like, what are you gonna When
are you gonna pick it up? When are you gonna
start playing? I'm like, the minute you know, I'm not
running from tournament to tournament and you.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Know, work out the workout, you know, maybe you know
it's not a sport where you can just you know cold,
you know, after not doing anything for six months.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
It's not like basketball. You can get on the cord
warm up for a few minutes and ay, I found
my stroke again. It's not it's not one of ours.
Because you can practice muscile memory memory, hit the driving
range every day for two months and a hitch, have
your best round on Sunday, go back out there on
Tuesday and be awful, Like that's that's just you know,
you have to be okay with Phil you're to a
certain degree and just know and just hope and pray

(48:02):
that you continue to have progress. I had a bad
day today, but man I hit a great couple of
days ago. How can I get back to that? So
that's kind of the drive that it gets you to.
I have no designs of it. I know I'm I'm
not great, I'm not I'm not even good. I think
I'm halfway decent some of the time. Is the best
way to.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Tap you, like, you got to that point right, And
this is the thing, FITZI that I haven't gotten to
and because I refuse to go out and and put
myself out there once or twice a year.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
But what, like what Figgie's talking about, is that.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
One shot or that one hole that keeps you coming back, Like,
because if you could get that's very real. Like if
you can get that one shot and you go, damn,
that was a good shot, man, and then you all
of a sudden you par a hole, you feel like
all right, and that's what keeps I'm sure that's what

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keeps you going back.

Speaker 9 (48:53):
Here's the thing, though, you're describing my actual personal health,
because like for me growing up the way I did,
especially you know, playing classical music as a kid, Classical
music is about precision, and it's about controlling the controllables.
And the thing in my life that I've always really
taken pride in is that there are certain things you
can control. You can always control your effort, you can

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always control the attitude you bring to everything. You can
always control the work. And I've said for years I
may not be the most talented at anything I ever do,
but I won't be out worked, and I'll have a
smile on my face while I do it, and I
will consistently do things the right way. Because that's the
only way you can get to the best of what
you can do at anything. So for me, whether we're

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talking about Madden, like I used to play Madden for
money for years like that, that's for me very passionate
about that, right, Like, but I took the time to
get good at it, and I like I sat back
and I was like, I'm going to be I am
going to beat you at Madden mercilessly no matter what happens.
That's how I am, right And so lunch money, yeah,
one hundred percent. You know, in you know, when I

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was in high school, I played spades for money, Like
I didn't lay around with that. Like, if we're playing spades, like,
there's gonna be a very So I'm a very competitive
person when it comes to things that you can control.
But for me, coming into something where you're like, hey,
you know, one day you're gonna be good at it,
the next day you're not, No, that's hell, Like that
is absolutely because I'm going to control all the controllables

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and I'm gonna put in the work. I want to
know that there's a tangible return that I can bank on,
and I can bank on consistence as a person, I
bank on routine and consistency, So golf is just gonna
be like that is. If I die and go to Hell,
I'm gonna show up, and my version of hell is
going to be somebody hands me a golf club and
it's like congratulations for eternity. Some days you're gonna be
good and some days you're gonna be bad. That would

(50:38):
drive me absolutely nuts.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
It's so funny because in every other aspect of my
life I'm that way fits. I love consistency, I love
a routine, and I acknowledge going into playing around, I
have no idea how today's gonna shake out. And there's
something about that that is invigorating to me. I don't
know what it is. It's like I can go I
can go out, and I can I can shoot at
sixty today it ain't happening, but asked that it might happen,

(51:00):
that I might have the greatest game of my life,
and I can save that scorecard and look look amazing,
and they can post it up in the clubhouse and
say this, Joe Schmoe from nowhere did this. It is
like I said, it's never gonna happen. I can acknowledge that,
but the hope that it might kind of keeps me going.
How am I going to look today? Can I improve
upon the last time I played out here? Maybe I don't,
and that's fine if I don't, but there's a chance

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that I will. That's just one of the few occasions
where I can have everything planned out. I know for
a fact, whether I feel like I'm doing the right
thing over and over again or not. It may have
the same result, it may be better, it may be worse,
but it keeps me going for whatever reason. It's the
unknown that kind of keeps me going. But that's unlike
everything else in my life. To your point, I love
to have everything as under control as possible. That's just

(51:43):
one of the few times, a few occasions where I
kind of just leave it, almost literally into the wind
and see what happens, and I'm okay with it.

Speaker 9 (51:50):
When I was a little kid and I was starting
to excel at the violin and classical music, one of
the principles that I was taught that I had to do,
and I started at Juilliard as a kid, was take
one measure of music, which is four beats. If anybody
can count one, two, three, four, it's four beats. That's it.
Take one measure of music and you had to play
it right one hundred consecutive times, and if you screwed

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it up, once the count started over, and at the
end of eight hours of practice, you had to get
that one measure one hundred consecutive times exactly perfect. Any
tiny mistake starts it over. So if it's a tough
measure of music that you're really struggling with, at the
end of eight hours, you might add you might tack
on another two hours of practice if you can't get
a hundred times right in a row. That's the model
of consistency that I was raised with. That's why golf

(52:33):
is impossible for me, because like everything you're describing of
like the hope and the like, I don't hope, I
plan right like I just as a personality, I don't
hope for anything. I go in and say, hey, I'm
gonna I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna do it
so well, so consistently, like I want golf. If I
would play golf every day, even if I knew that
my score was always gonna be one ten, I would

(52:54):
I would play it every day at least because I
knew consistently. Hey, I'm gonna be between one away behind.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
That's but see that's also that's what the sport for
Anthey like where the sports psychology comes into it too,
because planning a lot of guys do that They visualization
is huge for a lot of people in professional sports
and even college sports. At this point, I say, visualize
yourself catching twelve balls for one hundred and seventy yards
at four touchdowns today. Visualize that play happening before it
actually happens. Visualize you hitting that fastball off of Marianna Rivera.

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Like all that's and it's important. You think it's nothing.
It's a really big deal for them to visualize themselves.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
Having a good day. I really don't think that deeply
about it.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
But I'm also not a professional making millions of dollars
that the amount of pressure isn't on me. I wasn't
an aspiring musician going to Juilliard, you know what I mean.
That's a different kind of pressure. You know, I'm just
out there just trying to hit a couple of balls
around and see what happens on a random Saturday.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
You know what's interesting what you're described because I can
completely relate right, like we say it fake. What fits
he's talking about is completely like he had to train
his mind, like he's almost a beautiful mind, right, Like
you're twisted, like you know, like and to do that,
to take what you've done at Juilliard, which is an

(54:08):
amazing accomplishment, like just an amazing sense of discipline, Like
that's a display of discipline what you've done, right, But
like that, you need to separate what Figgi say. It's like, listen,
there's part pieces of my life that I'm like that,
but I separated on the golf course and you can't

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separate it.

Speaker 9 (54:31):
It probably be like as we're sitting here having a
group therapy for me, you're not wrong. I'm gonna bring
this something next time because it would probably be super
healthy for me to just like way often get asked
people all the time are like what do you do
for fun? And I'm like, well, I you know, I
like going to concerts and you know, watching sports. And
they're like, yeah, the two things you've done for a living.
What do you do for fun? And I'm like, go

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to concerts and watch live sports Like that's it. Like
so you're right, like it'd probably be the healthyason. Look
at this, you know what the fellas, I'm gonna get
on a golf course and all of a sudden a
year for around boom, like I'm gonna be a casual
now it'll never happen. You know, they can't teach this
whole dog new tricks, but I'll try.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I got a new train. I'll guarantee you. I would
bet on this. I'll see what Brad has to say.
I believe that at some point in your life you
will be an obsessive golfer. Nice, look, I'm only you
might say it's two and a half to one. I'll
take the odds. I think because I can see your personality.

(55:30):
You have a personality where you'll dive into something and
all it takes is one moment of weakness that finds
you on the course and you have one shot that
is good, and then you'll get a bug. And then
once you get a bug, you'll be golfing every day.

Speaker 9 (55:45):
Dude, you're describing a good friend of mine that for
years was the bass player for the Brothers Osbourne and
a country band on the road, and he played golf
and he's like, you know what, I'm gonna get good
to that. Six months later he had a whole simulator
in his garage and like every day, just our and
hours like, look suddenly, Pam, the fellas, I'm gonna be
the I'm gonna be the ringer for the fellas in

(56:05):
a couple of years. All of a sudden, I'll step
on the course and Pam, I'll strike fear into the
hearts of my opponents.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
From the amateur towards of the masters. Jason fits and unfortunately.

Speaker 9 (56:16):
Time I'll just stick with the edibles in the cart.
That gets us at least gets us on the grass
and just.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Show we're clear.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Fig you have no chance now, not because you are
you don't have the capacity to do it, but because
you will not have the time to do it.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Daddy, all right, trust me.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Trust the time on the course at the driving range
has gone down significantly already, and it's going to continue
to dip.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
I fully acknowledge that, baby dip. That's right, all right,
my brother, Happy Father's Day. It's your first Father's Day.
It's it's one of the greatest, greatest moments, and you're
gonna love it.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
It's just you'll never be fit. See when Fitz he
does pick up Gough. He will surpass both of us absolutely.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
So that's the truth.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
All right, fellas, we got to get into quarterbacks. I
do have a Father's Day man thing that I want
to go with your next hour, all right. I got
five questions you remember the five figy you used to
be the four.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Yeah, now I made it five.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I got five questions for you that will run by
next hour, all right, in honor of the dads. But
I want to get into quarterbacks for a second.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Coming up.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
First, I want to give you a stat about Trevor Lawrence,
and then I want to dive into the top ten
and like who's really the top ten? Who would you
love right now? And who do you love? And who
needs work? I want to kind of dive into the quarterbacks.
I just love talking quarterbacks right here or the fellas

(57:52):
hanging out Fox Sports Radio. Mark, all right, so uh,
I let it go because I Mark tell the story why.

Speaker 11 (58:12):
I was just good for a while. Just going to
hear that echo again, that's all.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
So my mic was off right, it was off kilter,
right the Mark and so Mike, so Marco's you you
you're you sound like a rapper, the way you the
way your the way your mic was going. So I

(58:36):
fixed the uh, the dials or whatever and uh and
then I I was rapping that song his uncle grand
master flash right, and so I was doing a couple
of verses and he and Mark started laughing, and that's
why he played that coming out.

Speaker 9 (58:56):
Can I tell you I have always wanted to do
a uh charity event? And I used to propose this
all the time to my coworkers DESPN. We can never
get it worked out. But I've always wanted to do
cherioke carried charity karaoke right, like where you just you
can put up like the zoom thing so that people
can donate and request songs and you have like marginally

(59:18):
famous people singing terrible karaoke. I now really want to
do that with you, specifically so the world can hear
you rap. I just I think there are certain things
that we need and this is now on that list.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
I mean, I'll do it. I would do it. I
did for Mark right, Mark?

Speaker 6 (59:33):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (59:36):
How about Mark? Mark? Not bad? Right?

Speaker 9 (59:39):
The words we'll call you, Oh, you just gotta We'll
call you that. That says everything right there.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
That's the front room, roaches in the back, chunkies in
the alley with the baseball bats.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
See.

Speaker 9 (59:52):
The thing of it is like you've got that Philly
Italian thing where you could like, this is the problem.
I wish. I wish I could rap. I really do.
And there have been times wrap no, no, you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Love I love this. You know. I'm a fan of it.
So I was a fan of the genre.

Speaker 9 (01:00:09):
I'm just saying, when you say some things, it sounds
cool just because of the way you talk. Like you
hear my voice, I sound like a twelve year old
pre pubescent.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Yeah, no, well I sound funny to you.

Speaker 9 (01:00:25):
No, you sound you sound ass kicking right, Like there's
just this level of like like, there's just a level,
there's a swag, there's a cool factor to it. That's
what That's what you've got that. I'm just saying, we're
there's an untapped market here for the fellas to go.
I'll just be the hype guy in the back and
I'll be like, what what That's what I'll do over
and over and over again, because that's all I should

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do in that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
But you've got the gold.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
That's funny, all right, So let me give you this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
I was stunned by this, and I'm curious to see
what you guys think one quarterback. All right, So if
I told you that Lawrence first forty eight career starts,
you ready, He's got twelve thousand yards, sixty six total touchdowns,

(01:01:13):
fifty five turnovers, and his team averaged twenty points a game, right,
sixty three percent completion percentage. Then I gave his other team,
this other quarterback sixty three per percent completion percentage, twelve
fourteen yards as opposed to twelve thousand, two hundred yards,

(01:01:35):
sixty four total touchdowns as opposed to sixty six, both
fifty five turnovers, and the team his team averaged nineteen
point six points as opposed to twenty point three. Can
you guess who that other quarterback is? And the hint,

(01:01:56):
we've been trying to replace him for certainly the last
couple years, and he would have been replaced if they
had a higher pick.

Speaker 9 (01:02:05):
Dak Prescott, Daniel Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Daniel Jones ding ding very good fit. See you got it.

Speaker 9 (01:02:16):
Oh man, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Well that that Lawrence and Daniel Jones have the exact
same numbers that I didn't realize. That's insane.

Speaker 9 (01:02:30):
Here's the crazy part about it is to me, I
was covering the draft of the year that Trevor Lawrence
was selected, and I remember saying live on the broadcast,
the Jags will ruin Trevor Lawrence before Trevor Lawrence will
ruin the Jags, right like I truly believe that the
talent of Trevor Lawrence. I stood on the field when

(01:02:52):
he won national championships. I've seen it up close than
in person. I think Trevor Lawrence's talent is without question.
I also that this is the problem, and this is
why when I interviewed Max Crosby a few years ago,
one thing Max said to me while we were getting tattoos.
He said, Man, no one ever forgets the number by
your name where you were picked. They will judge you
by it forever, right or wrong. There is this moment

(01:03:14):
where we understand the talent of Trevor Lawrence. We understand
why he was the first overall pick. We understand that
he was so good that in the college at the
college level, there were genuinely people trying to get his
family to sue the league to change the rules so
he could come out after his freshman year. That's how
good Trevor Lawrence was coming in two things can be

(01:03:34):
true at the same time. It is possible that we
could say all of that praising Trevor Lawrence and then
also say, but guess what hasn't really come together in
the NFL yet the way it should have. Now I understand,
you know, some quarterback is better than no quarterback. Look
at the organizations like my beloved Raiders that this year
are going to watch Aidan O'Connell and Gardner Minshew battle
it out. So I understand that it's not simple, but

(01:03:56):
there is this system here where you've got to step
back and look at it and say, Okay, I know
he's wildly talented, I know how great he's supposed to be,
but it has not resulted in what it should have
resulted in so far. So now I think what the
Jags have told you with that deal is that, frankly,
it's not gonna be Trevor Lawrence's fault like it's gonna
be Doug Peterson's fault. Right, So it's interesting to me

(01:04:18):
that they did this deal then, because frankly, I still think,
as crazy as it sounds, there is some level of
got to see it at the NFL level around Trevor Lawrence.
And I don't think that's unfair.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Unfeubt, not unfair at all. In fact, you saw the
potential deal that he's going to get. It's ridiculous, right. Uh,
I'm completely disappointed by Trevor Lawrence. Now, I don't know
if that's Doug, right, I don't know. I mean the
interesting thing about Doug is he's got a great temperament, right,

(01:04:52):
and he's an Andy Reid protege, and he was a quarterback,
so you know, he's got a lot of the good resume.
He won a Super Bowl in Philadelphia. He also presided
over the downfall of Carson Wentz and now suddenly the
diminishing returns with Trevor Lawrence. Now, I think Wentz was

(01:05:14):
more his own doing and his own head.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
I mean, once got off to a great start, and
Doug has to get some credit for that part, too, right,
I mean, yeah, So a devastating injury and locker room
politics and a bunch of other things that may may.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
And I think and I think it's his fault.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
I'm sorry, Fitz, I think it's I think it's Wentz
his fault why he flopped, because he was stubborn and
it was his own ego and and there's always answer.
But all that said, Doug was the coach that presided
as he went from a top pick and showed flashes

(01:05:55):
of an MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
He if he says healthy that year, he's the MVP.
And he turns into a flop. And now you got Lawrence,
and Lawrence is turning into a not a sop, but disappointment.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
I want to say, an average quarterback at best at
this point in time. Now, how much of that responsibility
falls on Doug and how much of it falls on
Trevor too. There's some personal responsibility goes into it as well.
Now you watched do a great show with Brian Baldinger,
Do you guys break down film? I don't know if
you guys have done a deep dive on Trevor Lawrence
or not. Someone whose opinions I trust in these situations

(01:06:28):
who I know watch his film is Greg Cosell and
he says that Trevor Lawrence got so much hype coming
out of high school as overall recruit because he won
a national championship his first year at Clemson. He did
have a very good college career. People put the expectation
on him that he was going to be the next
Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck, a generational type of talent,
and the film in College never showed that. It showed

(01:06:49):
that he could be a really good player, and some
of the flaws that stood out back then are kind
of showing themselves now. It doesn't mean that he can't
get better, that he won't be a very good quarterback,
but the idea that he was a generational wants every
thirty year kind of talent.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
I disagree with Greg. I know Greg, I like him
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Yeah, we both are in the uh in I say
in the NFL films. I respect him, and mentally I
think he does a really good job breaking the film down.
I disagree with this notion that you know those flaws
he if you break down just what he does right,
just his gifts of a quarterback, well well that's the point,

(01:07:28):
Like his gifts should have should make him a generational
quarterback because he can make every throw, like there's not
a throw we can't make.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
If you watch, and he showed that at Clemson he
could make.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Now where the windows wider, he asked they wear, but
he could make every throw he he's got. He's a
tremendous athlete. He's got great touch on his on his ball,
but he's made a ton of mistakes and that is
a lot of I think on him and whoever coaching
he's got, whether it's Arbis Meyer or Doug.

Speaker 9 (01:08:07):
But but let me be clear here, guys, I don't
even think that I'm not even saying that Doug Peterson
is going to fail in this situation. What I am
saying is that as an organization, the Jags cannot give
Trevor Lawrence that kind of money and then have anything
less than results that support that kind of money. So
to me, they put all of their eggs in the

(01:08:27):
basket of Look, if there's going to be somebody blamed
if the Jags do not take a step forward, if
the Jags are not who the Jags should be moving forward,
the organization has told you that the problem is not
the quarterback. And in the NFL, when the problem is
not the quarterback gets the coach. So to me, if
you're just doing the math, one plus one equals three.
Right in my mind, Trevor Lawrence, they've shown you, Hey,
he's all pocketed in that means Doug Peterson's on hot seat.

(01:08:49):
At this point, you've got to get results. You don't
have a quarterback that's now the highest paid or amongst
the highest paid. Let's see how it all average is
out and not have all of the pressure fall at
the seat of court your coach, who's also, by the way,
supposed to be the guy that was brought in to
get the most out of that quarterback who you just
rewarded because you think he's not the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
Well, and the crazy part is there's nobody left to
reset the market. I mean at this point, if you're
going to give him the highest average annual value to
go along with Joe Burrow, I mean, all the big
name guys have already signed their extensions to this point.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
Say for dak if you.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Want to put Dack in that category in because he's
a quarterback, that might end up being the going rate.
I wonder if Jacksonville feels like, at this point in
time we signed him to an extension, it's inflated. Now
we're betting on him improving so much that in three
years when he is a top five quarterback, this contract
is going to end up being a bargain. Like you said, Anthony,
that's what I think they're betting on. Have you seen

(01:09:41):
anything in these first few years to say that I haven't.
I'd almost rather just play it out for another year
before giving an extension. I'd rather have him show me
first and then have to overpay, then having to overpay
now and hope that he gets better. Because if to
your point fits, if you overpay now and he doesn'
and he's terrible or average, however you want to describe

(01:10:03):
him for the next three seasons after this, well, now
you're paying top dollar for an average quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Okay, but here, but here's the only issue with that,
And I feel you, and it makes you know fiscal sense.
The only thing is, like FITZI said, if he's a
flop this year, dougs out, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
Yeah, because somebody has to be this game goading, and
it's not gonna be the guy you just gave two
hundred and seventy five million dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:10:23):
You don't understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
But even if you, even if you don't pay him, right,
you let it play out and and he does not
play well?

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Right, say he just is average?

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
Right, he's what he has been?

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, nothing dramatic either way. Dougs out, but
you're gonna come back with Lawrence again. Right, So so
he's coming back next year regardless.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
But you didn't have to slap all this money. You
can he added an additional couple of years left. You
could franchise tag him if you were unsure as to
what the future was going to be. You didn't necessarily
necessarily have to get out in front and do this now,
because it sets you and it puts you behind the
eight ball in case he does not continue to progress,
regardless of who the coach is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Almost I hear you, I almost feel like I think
there's a pressure to marry.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
Him because he was a top overall pick because what
you invested.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Yeah, but of his ability, right, yeah, the possibility. I'm sorry,
go ahead, guys.

Speaker 9 (01:11:22):
No, but you're saying marry him, And I hear that.
I'm just saying right now, if I was the dad
in the room, I say, hey, if you two want
to get married, there's nothing wrong with the long engagement
to me play out another year and then franchise and
then if you're gonna do a historic and athlete's never
going to walk away from a historic contract, so that
doesn't matter if that comes this year, next year. And
I hear the get ahead of it, Get ahead of it,

(01:11:44):
get ahead of it. I understand all of that. If
you're trying to save, you know, the five or ten
million dollars you'll be saving by doing it this year
instead of next year, that's that's fine. I get some
of the logic around it. But the other side of
it is, if you are tied into a revolving door coach,
then you're never going to get the most out of
the quarterback. If the quarterback isn't excelling the way that
the quarterback needs to excel, you shouldn't invest in them.

(01:12:05):
I'm not sure the infrastructure is there in Jacksonville in
a way that will take advantage of whatever this situation is.
And now they've got to build a roster around a
massive quarterback contract. Sorry, I'm not even sure if they're
GMS capable of doing that. So, while I understand, you
got to have a quarterback, and it's not as simple
as just go back to the draft. Trevor Lawrence is
not a bust right now, but there has to be

(01:12:26):
some concern of, hey, are you putting enough around Trevor Lawrence,
which is something we didn't think we'd be saying going
into year five of his career.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
And I'm just gonna say, if you're going to overpay
for what you consider it to be average, you at
least want to see the tangible result. If Miami were
to give this contract to Toua Tagoba Ala, you'd say, Wow,
I don't know if.

Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
It was worth all that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
And it's like, well, consider the production that he's had
these last couple of seasons.

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
Is he a great quarterback?

Speaker 9 (01:12:53):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
But does he excel in that system and is there
a proven track record of what he can do with
those weapons around him? Yes, So it will make that
contract more justifiable. It's very difficult to find even a
serviceable or a good quarterback, let alone a great one.
So if you find a good one, unfortunately, you just
have to overpay for him.

Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
That's just what the market is.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
But for someone who's average, like Trevor Lawrence's band, to
give him that sort of contract when he hasn't come
close to that sort of production, that's just a risky handle.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Various things like his his numbers are very average, his
results obviously are average, but within the average, you see
glimpses of really good.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Right, So it's about marrying him with the right person
that can bring it out of him.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
And that and coming up, I'm wanting to bring this
up to the into the conversation, which is the Shanahan
Andy Reid impact versus those other coaches and what impact
it has because you look at rock Party and we
were talking. Is brock perty a top ten quarterback? I

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think you have to put him in the top ten.
And we'll get to it because it's a great conversation.
And when you compare it to a guy like Lawrence
who's got all the skill sets, you go, is it
the coach or is it the kid? Where the Fellas
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Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Uh, the Lawrence things.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
So interesting because figure you asked about the tape and
so Baldy and I had done something with Lawrence And
it was after the super Bowl and we went back
and we were looking the thing that's the biggest mistakes
were almost between his head right Like there was a
play you guys might remember this where he audible to

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the fourth and one and he audibles to play. He
runs different plays and he ran a sneak and he
got stuffed and like he was almost going rogue at
times and trying to do too much, trying to hit
grand slams and forcing plays down the field. I you know,

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it's almost like he needs a complete reset.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Now. I don't know that his weapons.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
It was funny I heard my man, I love Chris
and Rob the Odd couple are good friends of mine.
Heard Chris talking about his weapons, and I go, his
weapons are okay.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
I'm not a big Gabe Davis guy. I don't think
Gabe Davis anything.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Christian Kirks is one dimensional and I like Brian Thompson
Brian Thomas, but.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
He's a rookie.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
So I don't know that his weapons are all that.
I mean, they're decent, they're okay, but it's more like
I think he needs to be reset and a guy
like Shanahan or Andy Reid, you know, like he's begging
for one of those guys.

Speaker 9 (01:16:28):
Yeah. And one of the things too, though, is when
you talk about the weapons, you have to acknowledge that
the way rosters are built, by year four or five,
you should be at a spot where it's the quarterback
elevating the weapons around him, right, And that's not an
unfair expectation fair across the league. So that only speaks
the fact that we are now talking about the weapons

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around Trevor Lawrence only speaks to the fact that the
Trevor Lawrence thing hasn't come together the way that it
should have. And that's just agreed. There's a million reasons. Well,
I think Erbin Meyer is still a huge part of
the problem here, and I also think that the Clemson
coaching that wasn't necessarily like Clemson was one of those places.
And when he left Clemson, some of the smart college

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football analysts kept saying at the time, this is proof
positive version of the Clemson offense you're seeing right now.
The quarterback struggling is prove positive that the offensive coaching
at Clemson might not be as good as some people
gave it credit for being. And Trevor Lawrence was saving
this coaching staff quite often. Well, that only speaks to
what Brady talked about last week in an interview that
he did, where hey, the development isn't as strong. So

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you got a guy that comes in with all the
talent in the world, but maybe he's had years of
just weird coaching and now Doug Peterson has to reset
all of that relatively quickly to get the most out
of it. Like this is all less than ideal.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
Well, the issue now is if we're saying that, well,
he doesn't have the records at weapons, he just needs
more weapons. But he's also an average player at this
time than doesn't make the right decisions, then your actions
are being incongruous with what you know is actual reality
because you're paying him like he's the best quarterback in
the NFL, But now we're saying like, well, he has
a dearth of talent around him. He needs to actually
have more help to actually bring those talents out of

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him better. So which is it?

Speaker 9 (01:18:09):
And that's the problem, And how are you going to
surround him with better weapons now? Unless you're starting you're
paying the quarterback now, so you better hit home runs
in the draft. Every step of the way if you
need better weapons.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
So you've really backed yourself into a corner. Regardless of
who the coach is or anything, you're really banking on
Trevor Lawrence really turning this thing around at some point,
whether it's Doug or somebody else, and whoever else comes in,
the pressure is going to be on them almost immediately
as well, because again, after they paid the even this
contract extension, they're not getting rid of him for at
least the next three or four years.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
You've married yourself to him. You use that analogy again.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I and again I go, I think Doug.
I think Doug's got to show me man. I love Doug,
and I'm indebted to Doug for the Super Bowl. But
you know they didn't. They were not coach well last year. No,
I don't know how you can argue against it. But again,

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I think some of Server's issues, as you mentioned before
the Audibles, that's on him.

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We've been all over the place talking a lot of
the you got to do the NBA Finals, and I

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think we all have that same feeling, the same vibe,
which is Boston is not in any trouble. This doesn't
feel like Dallas is going to get back into the series.
It feels more like this is what Boston does. They
have a clunker. They've had a clunker in every other series,
and I don't since even if Dallas beats him in

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a straight up really good game, you know, in game five,
I don't feel like they're in any sort of danger
to lose this thing and it probably closed out on five.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
You would agree, right, the right FITZI.

Speaker 9 (01:20:42):
Yeah, no, I agree with you on thousand percent. I
think what becomes interesting is as you say that you're
right they've had a clunker in every series. They've also
had this weird run to the championship that people have
had a lot of questions about the quality of the opponents.
You know, I don't care about as much about that.
But what's going to be interesting to me is I
fully believe that on Sunday the Celtics are going to

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win the NBA Championship when they hoist the Larry Obee
as the kids like to say, Uh, the question is,
how are we going to look at this entire run right?
Because how often have you seen a championship team that
once a series is just good to not show up
and you know, it has their moments where they're dominant,
but also has moments where it's like, man, I don't know,
like it is interesting. As someone on this show that

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has been crediting the Celtics for a minute now, I'm
also looking at it and saying, I have no idea
what the appropriate context of the eventual championship of the
Boston Celtics is really going to be. They're going to
win this series, but I don't know if they're going
to get the love that people want them to get
when that happens.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
What kind of love do they deserve, I mean, other
than like, do they deserve extraordinary love? Like like I'm
trying to think about I'm trying. I'm trying to gauge
what we like. How do you want us to react
to them? No, that's as a Boston hater, so just

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so FYI yeah, and I.

Speaker 9 (01:22:04):
Don't I don't know because usually when you win a championship,
it's like, oh my god, I can't believe this. And
over the course of the last couple of years, it
feels like the reaction to championship teams all include the
Nuggets in this conversation now, had been like, oh, yeah,
that's cool, Yeah that won it. Yeah, that's fine. They're
they're they're the best right now that it's good, it's fine,
you know what I mean. Like, it's not like when

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you know, and maybe it's because everything was so dynastic
around the Warriors, and you know, obviously there was just
such a view around those teams, even even when the
heat are good, it feels like everybody just falls in
love with them. This is more like a yeah, the
Celtic's gonna win it. They're fine. I don't know what
the appropriate context is, but it doesn't feel like championship
context around it right now at least.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
Well is it because they've been fairly dominant throughout the
run too. I mean they you know, they swept the
conference finals, they won in five in the previous two series.
I mean, you know, if had they ended up sweeping this,
they would have only had a couple of losses that rival,
you know, the fifteen to one Laker run, the Golden
State Warrior run from a few years ago. They only
lost one game in their championship run. Uh, for for

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whatever reason. I don't know if it's because people just
hold it against the competition that they played against.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
Miami was on the eye.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
In I do think that that's something that do what
I mean, yeah, Cleveland was a legitimate but yeah, you know,
you're you're going through you know, Cleveland, Indiana, like they
don't have no hallim burn like they had and yeah,
I mean cake walked in the four Shure runs happened sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
I mean, when the Warriors won their first championship without
Kevin Durant, there was a key player in every single
series that they won that year where somebody was hurt
that just that happened sometimes, unfortunately, that's not necessarily the Celtics' fault. Now,
whether we should give them the same sort of credit
that we give to previous teams that run rough, shot
over like I remember, I remember. Just obviously it's personal,
but that fifteen and one run the Lakers went on

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in two thousand and one, and there are great players
they had to run there.

Speaker 6 (01:23:54):
They swept him Duncan in his prime.

Speaker 5 (01:23:55):
They swept a really good Sacramento King team with Chris
Weber and Rashid Wallace in Portland, and obviously you know
the Alan Iverson and the and the seventy six ers
in the finals are the one team that got him
in Game one.

Speaker 6 (01:24:06):
Uh, But so that one stands out.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
But throughout the course of a lot of championship runs
throughout history, teams end up getting breaks. We talked about
all the time in the NFL, or in any sport,
a lot of times the team that ends up winning
is the one that just stayed healthy.

Speaker 6 (01:24:18):
That's a big part of it too.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Oh yeah, without a doubt, you gotta stay you know,
staying healthy is is a prerequisite. And then he looks
they're also it's a test swordy to me, is how
they're built right, sure, I'll give you that. Yeah, you know,
and it's great. Listen, Jason Tatum, he's a great player,
so I mean, and I think he loses his you know,

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choke coming up small tag, So he'll lose that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Well, I mean yes, but I'll also say outside of
Game three he really hadn't played all that well in
the series.

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
Well, I was about to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Say that, like, yeah, yeah, I'm just about to say
that exactly that point, which is he loses the TA
because he wins, But honestly, it's more of a testimony
to how the team is built.

Speaker 6 (01:25:06):
Yeah, it's Drew, it's just Jalen Brown.

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
Well, I think you know, Drew Holliday and Jayalen Brown
are probably in the race that's for the MVP. I
don't think Jason Tatum's even in the discussion right now, right.

Speaker 9 (01:25:14):
Guys, he doesn't lose the tag. He presses pause on
the tag. And there's certain things that are inevitable in sports.
Like the minute you say, should this championship have an
asterisk whatever we're talking about, you've already answered the question
because once that statement is made, the asterisk will always
be part of Yeah, but do we like it becomes
branded on that championship. We could talk all day long

(01:25:35):
about the Bubble Championship in LA, but let's acknowledge the
conversations that we were having for that bubble conversation then
still exists today because they never go away. The can
he come up big in big games conversation will be
paused for a minute. But the first time next year,
in the playoff game that he comes up small, it'll
be like, see yet again. Last year was just a

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free like it's just sort of yeah, yeah, I just
we are yeah. But then people will be like, immediately
it'll be yeah, but look at the rate the run
they went on. They weren't good. They just got lucky.
I lived by better better to be lucky than good.
But immediately the qualifiers that we're talking about today, when
we put context around this championship will come back. If

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there's a single game in next year's playoffs where the
Stars come up small for the Celtics, it'll immediately be
same old Boston. Last year was a fluke.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
I will say, context often gets lost the further and
further away you get from it, though, too, Like I'll
use Paydon Manning as an example. You know, he came
up small so many times in the postseason. You know,
they ended up winning their only championship with the Colts.
That was like one of the worst playoff runs from
an individual performance standpoint they ever had. Remember they got
Bob Sanders back in the defense all of a sudden

(01:26:47):
turn things around. They played phenomenal defensively. Dominic Rhodes probably
should have been the emv B to the Super Bowl.
He ran all over the Bears in that game. And
Peyton Manning was pedestrian. But you fast forward now you
see Peyton Manning. We know he was a care taker
in that Dinvers Dinver championship. People forget how pedestrian he
was in that first Colts championship run too. And all
you see now is Peyton Manning has all these stats

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and two Super Bowl rings And you say, like, well,
any demons that he once had were all gone because
he won those two rings. And he was a phenomenal
player and he played great for the Colts, even though
he didn't play all that well in that postseason run. So, Fitz,
I'm wondering if this is the only championship that Tatum
ever wins, If twenty years from now, people are gonna say, yeah,
but you know what, he didn't play that great in
that series. I don't know if that holds up, because

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generally speaking, those things don't.

Speaker 9 (01:27:32):
It depends on what happens moving forward, Like if he
plays small in next year's playoff run, then immediately. And also,
the NBA culture around championships is far differ than a
Super Bowl, and I think it's stupid. I'm not partaking
in it, but let's be real. You win one in
the NBA and people are like, yeah, but that's only one.
It's so different than the super Bowl in that sense.

(01:27:54):
And there's also a moment where if you're winning championship,
if Tatum comes up small for the next five years
in the playoffs, but the Celtics win two more championships,
then yeah, this conversation's irrelevant and it's a race if
the Celtics lose in the second round and then lose
in the first round. Like, the NBA is such a
weird world that coach Bud can win an NBA championship

(01:28:14):
and then get fired almost immediately afterwards, because well, that
championship didn't have any sticking legs, right, Like, it's just
different how we talk about the NBA like it or not,
I personally don't. But if the Celtics lose next year,
in the year after and the year after, and it's
in part because Tatum doesn't play well enough, then yeah,
this conversation is never going anywhere. That's a hard part

(01:28:35):
about moving forward the way we judge the NBA. I
think the NFL just lives in a bubble in the
way that we judge Super Bowls.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
You know, an interesting comp and it's relevant because he
just passed away unfortunately is Jerry West, who won his
only championship with the Lakers in his final season in
seventy two, and that was actually his worst NBA Finals
performance of his career, and one of his quotes was,
the team actually had to overcome my performance in this
is to actually beat the Knicks and win the championship.

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After playing as well as he played, and all those
series against the Celtics that they lost, winning the MVP
of the Finals in a series that they lost. The
worst performance that he actually had was in a series
where they actually won the championship.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
Now most people don't even know that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
All they know is thank goodness he got a championship,
because it would have been all for not he had
a great career but never got one.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
But man, he got one.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
People just don't recognize the fact that he got one
when he actually played the worst. And it's very interesting.
But see, something like that also gets lost in context.
You just don't remember that sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
It's a great point you don't remember it, Isn't it
funny how our minds work when it comes to that, Yeah,
and where we kind of gravitate towards Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:29:43):
But also it's also.

Speaker 9 (01:29:44):
Like it's also this whole I know I say it
too much, but like benefit of the doubt is such
a weird thing with athletes. Some guys get it out
of the gates, some guys don't, and then the pendulum
swings wildly the other way. Like we constantly talk about
the fact that Peyton Manning was a show of himself
in the last super Bowl win, but there was so
much at that point street credit for the way that

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he'd handled his entire career that it was like, oh,
this is amazing. Maybe they're winning in spite of him,
but it's still Peyton getting another super Bowl and look
at how much that matters, and blah blah blah, blah blah,
like it becomes part of an endearing part portion of
Peyton's story, which is sort of wild to me because
we certainly don't do the same thing, for example, to
Trent Dilfer for winning, you know, with the Ravens, Like

(01:30:27):
nobody turns around and says, oh, this is so endearing.
They're like, oh my god, I can't believe the Ravens
would Trent Dilfer right, Like, it's different guys get different benefit.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
Right, Yeah, it's funny. That's a great point. That's a
great point. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
I want to circle us back to the quarterbacks because
we had a great conversation about Trevor Lawrence and you know,
obviously he has to bear a huge responsibility as the player,
but what responsibility does the coach have?

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
And it is pretty party without Shamahan. I think it's
pretty obvious that he's not right. But is it such.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
Where there's only a handful of guys that you know,
these these talented quarterbacks have to go unless you're a freak.
But even Matt Patrick Mahomes, who's the best quarterback of
the game, has a guy like Amy Reid to help
nourish him.

Speaker 9 (01:31:27):
Here's the wild because I do think. I think brock
Purty this year is going to be one of the
most interesting stories in the NFL because he has to
be successful. For Kyle Shanahan and the forty nine ers,
I think, to have a shot being where they want
to be, he's got to be very good. And you're
talking about somebody that this year. I looked it up
the other day for something I was doing for Yahoo

(01:31:47):
at the time. His cap number this year is about
one point one million at the end of this season,
not now, but at the end of this coming season,
when perty is eligible to be extended, should they want to,
he will have made it in his entire career under
three million dollars for his entire career. So now you

(01:32:08):
have somebody that's gonna hit the open but he's not
gonna hit the open market. I should say, somebody that's
up for renegotiation that has made three million dollars that
we can't decide if it's the quarterback or if it's
the coach. And if you're the forty nine ers, you're
in a bit of a pickle right here. You're in
a bit of a kirk. I got a little pickle
going on because Frankly, you're paying a lot of people.
How are you gonna pay Brock and pay all these
other people? But are you gonna believe that you can

(01:32:30):
just go in the dik like I believe that they
hit the lottery with brock Party, and I think trying
to do that multiple times is a slippery slope. I
also believe that you know Brock is going to then command.
If that's the case, you're gonna pay him, even if
it's not high market value. If Brock Purty comes in
and says, yeah, I'll give you a team discount. I
want forty two million dollars a year. Brock Party a

(01:32:53):
forty two million dollar quarterback. This is the most interesting
thing we're gonna see by the end of the year
because if he plays lights out, forty nine Ers is
going to have to make a very difficult decision. And
if it's truly Kyle Shanahan, if Kyle Shanahan can turn
any quarterback into Brock Party, then Kyle Shanahan should go
out and make thirty million dollars a year as a
head coach and the forty nine Ers will never have

(01:33:14):
to worry about anything again. But if you're Brock Are
you really going to take a let's say, twenty five
thirty million dollars deal when you've only made three million
dollars so far and your numbers support a far higher
market value. There's no way in hell. So, like, I
think it's interesting, the forty nine ers are going to
really have to make a tough decision. And I wonder
if brock perty apologists will feel the same way about

(01:33:35):
Brock if he's suddenly earning forty five million dollars a year.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
I mean, one thing I think we can admit and
nothing even Kyle Shannan would say, is I can't turn
everything in the gold. And reference that with the backup
quarterback in Dallas right now, who they traded up to
get into the draft and cut bait on after a
couple of seasons, recognizing that as even as a first
round pick, the guy couldn't do it. Nick Mullins was
a guy that they brought up and cultivated a couple
of years go on, thought that they concern him to

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some and didn't happen. So you can't get caught up
in the idea that quarterbacks are like running backs and
my system I can just interchangeably put guys in and out.
That's a dangerous game to play, even if you are
one of the all time great you know, cultivators of
quarterbacks like Kyle Shanahan is. So I don't know if
that's a game you want to get into.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
That's a great point.

Speaker 5 (01:34:19):
Yeah, you have a guy that's good enough to execute
your system, you probably just want to hook him up
and then stick with the devil that you know and figure.

Speaker 9 (01:34:26):
You make it such an important point in this process.
If the forty nine ers truly believe that they could
make any quarterback great, then just to save the egg
on your face, would you not have done that with
Trey Lance? Like That's just it's way easier to say, hey,
let's just keep investing in our first round guy. And
that did not happen here. So I think brock Perty
is special, and I do think that there is some

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element and I'm not saying he's Brady like, but at
some point we had to stop having the conversation about
where Brady was drafted when it came to the future
of the Patriots, We're gonna have to do the same
thing here. I just think that's tough for the stomach
in a world where you know right now, you've got
guys that necessarily have improved it. We've been talking about
Trevor Lawrence making fifty million bucks a year, Like, man,

(01:35:09):
what's the going rate gonna be on Brock? And how
do you keep all of those other people signed if
you have to pay Brock fifty million dollars a year?
You can't? And why would Brock take a discount? All
of these things are just it's because somebody's gonna pay
Brock if not the forty nine or somebody. Well, I
realize they can still get him through this year. Next year,
they can franchise all of these different things. But man,
it's gonna get difficult.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
And Harry quickly no and in heartbeat, like I'm with you,
But where's the relationship? Like is you know?

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
And this is something that's interesting. So I asked Bolding
and I were talking about it. We came up with
I'll just go with hidden first, all right, And I said,
a dude, give me your top ten, and his top
ten was this, I'll just give it to you and
you tell me greed disagree. Wherever you're at and where

(01:36:00):
the rookies are. You don't have any rookies in there.
So he's got Mahomes, Burrow, Alan Lamar, Purty, Stafford, Herbert
dak Love Stroud.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
That hurts.

Speaker 16 (01:36:18):
Man.

Speaker 9 (01:36:19):
So there's some stuff in there that I think is
a little bit presumptive. No offense to Baldy, who's brilliant
and we all love. I have a hard time when
it comes to Jordan Love. I'll be the first to
say that we've seen half of one good season. I mean,
Jordan Love that we saw the last half of last

(01:36:39):
season was absolutely incredible that there is no doubt about that.
I also watched Jordan Love in the first half of
the season not play well, and I was part of
the discussions that we were having about, like, man, is
Jordan Love really the answer? After particularly, we all remember
the Monday night game where I think, frankly, he cost
his team against against the Raiders, like that should have
been a win for the Packers. Jordan Loves the reason

(01:37:02):
they lost that football game. So we just forget the
first half.

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
I mean, you have to forget the first don't Well.
Here's why. Here's why I argue yes, because there's growth.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
When you're talking about a young quarterback first time, really
you know this is your team now? Right, he goes
in and there should be an arc where you grow
and then you're playing your best football. And look he
ends with a ridiculous playoff run. So early season struggles

(01:37:37):
like I throw out because that's growth. Getting on the
same page with your receivers, getting your offense down.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
All that takes time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Like if it was the other way around, where he
was great early and then flopped at the end, I
would agree with you.

Speaker 9 (01:37:52):
My pushback to that is Marcus Mariota. I was in
Nashville covering the Titans when Marcus Mariota blew up and
it was like, man, this guy's epic. He's gonna be
one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL from two
thirds of a good season. And then all of a sudden,
you're like, no, it turns out it just got hot
at the right time. Like we've seen half of a
good season from quarterbacks before. We saw Tino Smith two
years ago absolutely light it up. So like, I just

(01:38:14):
think that I need more than half of a body,
half of a season, a body of work before I'm
gonna make somebody a top ten quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Well, okay, so so real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
I mean, then figure you got Yeah, I just want
to retort one thing I'm just hitting you with. It
makes sense to me, and I get your point about that,
you know, the first part of the season struggles.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
And that weigh in your and that wing in your opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
But my point is it's it's obvious why it would
happen then, right, there's reason, tangible reasons of this is
your first time starting, you're going to struggle early. There's
you're going to try to have young receivers, you gotta
get on the same page offense, everything else. But because

(01:39:00):
it went on a slope upward like an escalator ride,
I give points to that like that to me, now,
I love Jordan Love so full disclosure, I think he's
a top ten quarterback. Now that's partly me, you know
my opinion, but the slope upward means something to me.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:39:22):
The big thing for me is just how static is
the list and we're just talking about, you know, coming
into this season as a result of last year. Is
this over the last couple of years, because there's a
lot of movable parts, like if CJ. Stroud comes in
and has a sophomore slump and doesn't play particularly well
and Deshaun Watson bounces back and has an MVP type year,
Well he jumps back into the top ten next year,
and c J Strout falls out, like, I mean, I

(01:39:45):
guess what are we gauging this on? Is it on
the previous seasons performance? Is it if I have to
select a you know, a quarterback from my team and
I'm ranking the top ten guys based on a performance
on arm talent on? So I guess it's a I
think it's just a more nebulous sort of list when
it comes to that sort of thing, unless we know
specifically how exactly what is top ten.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
It was all right going into this year racking the quarterbacks,
give me your the top ten quarterbacks heading into this
show going into the start of this season, all right,
So it's like that's the case, and yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (01:40:20):
Give you love for that. I didn't agree with everything
that Anthony said.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
It's it was an upper trajectory, and there's no reason
for me to believe that even if he does regress
a little bit, he'll still be good and good enough
with the good enough team around him to make him
to get him too the postseason, you would think. So
that's why I have no issues whatsoever Jordan Love being
on the back in the back end of the top ten.

Speaker 9 (01:40:39):
Y'all know me. I'm a proof of concept guy. I
just neede more, that's all. I just need seymore.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Yeah, I get you. But like I'll ask you this,
and this is a great question. I was playing this
game with my guys in Philly, which is Hurts or Love?
Who would you take?

Speaker 4 (01:40:55):
Now? Obviously, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Hurts Jalen's extremely popular and Philadelphia and most Philadelphia's you know,
for their quarterback, and take Jalen.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
But to me, I would take Love.

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
Yeah, And I think we discussed this a little bit
on the show last weekend. Yeah, because you know, from
a quarterbacking standpoint, Jordan Love can just do more and
you don't have to have an offense catered to a
specific skill set for him.

Speaker 9 (01:41:20):
Thank you, But real quick, guys, a year ago, would
you've said the same thing about Jalen Hurts body of work?
Body of work? That makes my body of work? My
point on body of work. The more we a year ago,
we were in love with Jalen Hurts, there was no questions.
Now it's like, oh, I don't know, there's some questions
like he's got to get a little better.

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
The hints my comment about the dynamic list and how
things move. It's a year to year situation. Things can change, fluid.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Fluid baby. Let's say quick t We'll come right back.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Fellas hanging Fox Sports Radio, Thank you, money Mark seven
point thirty in the East, in the West, Fellas from
the tiraq dot com studios, hanging out. Always a lot

(01:42:12):
of fun. So talking quarterbacks. So I gave you a list.
This is Baldy, right, this is it. Like he just
gave you his top ten. He winds up throwing in
that there were eleven names that I threw out. Then
he threw in, hey.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
Well, golf to belong somewhere close to the top ten.
Do you guys agree with golf as the top ten?

Speaker 9 (01:42:38):
Give me his list again.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
So here's Baldy's lists.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Purty, Stafford, Herbert dak Love, Stroud, Hurts.

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
And then he gave me the golf thing too.

Speaker 9 (01:43:00):
Yeah, I would have put golf in that list. I mean,
I'd rather have golf than party. I think. The interesting
thing we talked earlier about how labels just sort of
get stuck with you, Golf is somebody that has had
success now with two different coaching staffs, and then we
credited all of it in the beginning to Sean McVay,
and then suddenly the narrative hit that he wasn't smart
enough to be able to run the complexities of that offense.

(01:43:21):
It couldn't be mcveagh's quarterbacks. They dump him, but realistically
he goes somewhere where they believe in him, and by
doing that, he sees the best of himself in that process.
Yet again, so he's had tremendous success now with two
different organizations. I don't understand necessarily putting. I know Stafford's
always been successful, but Stafford and Golf is one of
those rare win win trades for both sides. I think

(01:43:42):
they're both quarterbacks that are sort of in the same stratosphere.
To me, so as much as I like Party, for example,
I take Golf before I would take a Party on
that list for sure, and I think Stroud is that
rookie year is absolutely incredible. But again that's one year,
so it makes me a little nervous. One year, even
though it's a great year, it makes me a little nervous.
Putting a one year guy above somebody that's had, you know,

(01:44:05):
mark success with two different coaches.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Fig.

Speaker 5 (01:44:10):
I agree, because if you look at you know, Jerry
Golf has been labeled as kind of a quote unquote
system quarterback throughout his career. I mean, if brock Perty's
going to be in your top five, top six, is
he not the embodiment of that as well? And the
physical measurables obviously Golf is taller, has a stronger arm.

Speaker 6 (01:44:25):
Would he not be.

Speaker 5 (01:44:27):
Having the same success or level of success as brock
Party if he were to be in that Shanahan offense, which,
by the way, mcveig's offense is an offshoot of and
he had success in. So if you're just looking at
it from that standpoint, I'm glad you were. You read
the list back again, because I thought I didn't hear
Golf's name, and I was surprised by it. I'm even
a little bit more surprised that Golf wasn't already in

(01:44:48):
his top ten, because he certainly would be in mine.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
Yeah, what does any rookie come close to crack in
the top ten for you?

Speaker 9 (01:44:59):
I can't do that just because of Trevor Lawrence, right,
I mean we all thought, as we were talking about earlier,
we all thought Trevor Lawrence was just going to be
next level, Oh my god, from the outset. And now
Trevor Lawrence isn't even on that list after seeing a
few years of him in the league. Right, So I
have a hard time putting a rookie. And as much
as I love Caleb Williams and I think he has
the opportunity to be great, it just takes too many

(01:45:21):
variables like systems matter, coaching matters, all of these things
matter when it comes to asserting that greatness. And it's
funny when you go up and down the list and
you look at some of these quarterbacks, like stability with
the in the organization, all of these things. When you
really want to separate yourself into that top ten list,
I think it takes a magical combination of side dishes
to go with the steak to be a top ten dinner.

(01:45:43):
And I'm not sure I could put any quarterback from
the rookie class into that level of company.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
Yeah, I agree with that, I do, I would agree.
I mean, and that's where we're looking at, and you
don't even know would break Sewan is the prime example
in the sense that we all thought that Bryce would
fare pretty well well. I think we all liked him
coming out. I don't know if we were in love,
but we liked him, and I'm surprised at how bad

(01:46:13):
he looked like he was, how much he struggled. Now,
I know that team is no good, but I was
surprised just how bad he faired.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
Yeah, because he notwithstanding they everyone agreed, he had literally
everything else. And it's like, if you can just get
over the height issue, you know, Drew Brees got over
the height issue. It's like, well, he also had a
great infrastructure of coaches around him, and maybe Bryce Young
will still end up being a solid player, you know,
when it all is said and done, once he gets
to the right infrastructure around him.

Speaker 6 (01:46:39):
We just don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:46:40):
But yeah, it's it's really difficult to say that Caleb
Williams has the greatest potential to because of where he
landed and all the weapons around him, you know, Jaydon Daniels,
we know the physical ability, but I mean, it's just
really difficult to tell whether or not a guy's going
to light the world on fire like an RG three,
or if he's going to be a complete and total
dut Like Bryce Young, it's just too many variables to
fits his point to really be able to predict, be

(01:47:02):
able to predict whether or not any of these guys
will be successful right off the bat.

Speaker 9 (01:47:06):
But let me let me ask you this, what are
we doing with our Achilles twins? And that's like my
new tag team name for Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins. Look,
I don't know the last time we saw Aaron Rodgers
on the field, I realized it wasn't necessarily spectacular. But
he's still Aaron Rodgers and the reason the Jets are
getting all the Super Bowl hype that I don't agree with.
But Kirk Cousins. I mean, frankly, the Achilles injury with

(01:47:28):
Kirk is also a problem. But you want to talk
about somebody that you need a plug and play quarterback
that's been able to have success statistically wherever he's gone,
it's certainly been Kirk Cousins. And if the argument is, well,
but he hasn't won, tell me what Justin Herbert's won.
That's my simple. If we're gonna knock Kirk Cousins out
of the top ten because he hasn't won big games,

(01:47:49):
I'm still waiting for that huge, defining Justin Herbert moment.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
Yeah, and here's my retort to that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
And I feel you on it, but you know, talk
to me in two once Harball has his fingerprints all
over this thing. Now if Herbert doesn't have anything, now,
I'm with you. But I mean, the coaching situation was horrendous,
horrendous with the charge In Herbert, I mean, I gotta

(01:48:19):
he's one guy that I gotta put a pall, a pass, pause,
whatever you want because of that coaching thing that we
talked about earlier.

Speaker 9 (01:48:29):
The only problem, so I don't disagree with that, he's
had a couple of different coaches and I'm not saying
that stability that's bad. But one of the reasons that
I'm supposed to be buying the Eagles right now is
because Kellen Moore's coming over. Kellen Moore was just the
offensive coordinator for Justin Herbert, and I realize that's just
an offensive coordinator, but still, for some reason, Kellen Moore
gets all of this wild. Oh my god, Kella Moore's

(01:48:49):
great when he's worked with the Cowboys and then worked
with the Chargers and we still haven't seen that. Oh
my god, moment from Justin Herbert. And you want to
talk about talent around him again, I know Brandon Stale
it was just an awful head coach, but he had
talent around him, at least in theory, and he had
an offensive coordinator around him that's well regarded. So I mean,
at some point, doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:49:12):
By the way Kellen with the success or the ability
of Kellen Moore as an offensive coordinator, I think is
greatly exaggerated. Uh, seeing with the Dallas and with the Chargers,
I've never seen it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:23):
To be honest with you, I don't get the infatuation.

Speaker 9 (01:49:26):
Do I.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
I'll be honest with you, you haven't heard me talk
much about Kellen Moore other than I just think he's
in upgrade to what was last year, which was which
was not much.

Speaker 6 (01:49:36):
I mean sure, ye.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
Like like if you got you know, last year for
the Eagles, their downfall was you know, they fall off
the cliff. Their coordinators were horrendous, liked bad play call,
you had no answers, like we're talking about elemental stuff.
And as much as I you know, I'll talk about
Jalen and the regression, you know, I put most of

(01:49:59):
the regression on the coaching staff, like you.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
Have hot reed, you don't have hot red built in
on blitzes. Like, what's that about? Like based elementary stuff
right there?

Speaker 6 (01:50:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
Man, Like, so that's where the coaches come into play.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
And so I go, all right, Well, he's Kella Moore
as callplays and has a bit of a resume. He's
been around the block, and it is an upgrade to
what they got. But I like, I feel you guys
when you guys talk about well kell the Moore. He
also only had one year at Herbert and that to
me is it kills a quarterback when you're going through

(01:50:37):
OC's and systems.

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
That is horrible. I'll never forget. There was a kid
you guys remember Jason Campbell. Uh I played Auburn. Yeah right,
and I like Jason. I thought Jason had a chance.
And he's the poster child for needing a good coach, right,
And he had four different sees in its first four years.

(01:51:03):
How's anybody going to succeed or you're running with four
different OC's and four different systems.

Speaker 5 (01:51:09):
Yeah, I think I think Alex Smith is even an
even better example of that because we saw once he
actually got an offensive coordinator a head coach like Andy
Reid and had some consistency, or even before that with
Jim Harball in San Francisco, he turned a corner. I
think his first six or seven years he had like
five or six different offensive coordinators.

Speaker 6 (01:51:26):
That's that's difficult on anybody.

Speaker 9 (01:51:28):
I'm just saying that. Kirk Cousins right now, his career
completion percentage sixty six point nine, Justin Herbert sixty six
point six passing yards per game. They're within ten yards
of each other. When you look at the touchdown to
interception ratio, it's fairly close to quarterback rating edges towards
Kirk Cousins ninety eight point two ninety five point seven
to Justin Herbert. Like quick look at the stats and

(01:51:50):
the two are very comparable when it comes to much
of this, and like, if if that's where we're gonna be,
then like I just think maybe we're we're we overvalue
sometimes in this like Justin Herbert has come in and
really rightfully so I know smart people look at it
and say the way he plays the game is worthy
of this. I could just tell you right or wrong.

(01:52:10):
As a Raiders fan that faces Justin Herbert twice a
year I am the first to admit that. When I
look at the schedule, I'm like, oh my god, got
to take on my homes twice a year. That's just
not fair. If I look at this schedule as a
fan and I say, man, taking on Lamar, that's just
going to be a brutal game to try and win.
Taken on Josh Allen, Oh my god, taken on Joe Burrow,
Oh my god. If I look at it and say

(01:52:31):
taking on Justin Herbert, the Raiders do it twice a year,
and I'm like, yeah, you can get a split out
of that good quarterback. But I'm not. I don't sit
here frightened as a fan. And I know that's just
a fan mindset, but when you look at this list,
most of these guys should be if you're a top
ten quarterback, the type that when the schedule comes out,
you say, oh my god, I don't want to face
that guy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:52:51):
And I think what Kirk Cousins has working against him,
at least specifically with the Justin Herbert comparison, is that
he's just been around longer.

Speaker 6 (01:52:58):
He's had more opportunities to.

Speaker 5 (01:53:00):
Not win, and people are still infatuated with Justin Herbert
because he's still within his first handful of seasons, and
you see all the physical talent, and he's.

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
Got a frozen, beautifultball like he's a much p if
you just go eyes, you look at one and you
look at the other. How they play a position and
how they throw the football, well.

Speaker 6 (01:53:18):
There's nothing to best for production too when it comes
to Kirk.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
I might disagree, but I mean, I'll be honest with you,
Like if you said, you know we're choosing the playground,
I mean it's ten out of ten I'm taking Herbert.

Speaker 5 (01:53:31):
Well, especially now not knowing how Kirk can even move
if he has one leg working at this point in time,
that certainly is a factor because you're making the comparison
now at thirty eight year old Kirk cousins versus justin Herbert,
who's just entering into the prime of his career.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
So if it's you know, even five years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:53:46):
Yeah, if it's prime Kirk versus prime versus Herbert.

Speaker 4 (01:53:49):
Now, yeah, exactly, I go ten out of ten, I
go Herbert. I probably Sti't take Herbert.

Speaker 9 (01:53:54):
Too, I'm not. I'm with you one hundred percent. I
also think that it's so cooked in to my brand
bias on this, Like Justin Herbert is a good quarterback.
We've just all we've all just assumed that the problem
is Kirk Cousin's been a good quarterback that hasn't won
for so long. Like if Justin Herbert continues to be
exactly who he is as a quarterback, and you know,
and I think this is gonna be very real for

(01:54:16):
him ends up finishing second or third in this division
for the next six, seven, eight years because Mahomes and
Andy Reid are just better, then eventually Justin Herbert it's
just gonna turn into Kirk Cousins. We're all gonna say, yeah,
puts up numbers but doesn't actually win.

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
I will tell you fits as someone who lives in
this city, those rumblings have already begun. Yeah, those sort
of rumblings of how good is this guy actually or
how good is this guy really? Those conversations have already started.
And the belief is if he can't turn it around
and the team can't turn it around under Harball, you're
gonna start hearing to talk about him being overrated and
being just an average quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
All right, let's say quick too, and good stuff fellas
they get the Father's Day five coming up too right.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
Here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, fellas from the
tai Iraq dot Com studios, Jason fitz Kevin figures, I mean,

(01:55:22):
I think argano as we hang out on a Father's
Day weekend, my man's first Father's.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
Day weekend for Figgie and uh wishing the best. What
do you got planned?

Speaker 5 (01:55:38):
Just going out to brunch with the family on a
later this afternoon. But that's pretty much it. Sunday is
going to be pretty laid back for the most part.
But uh, going out for brunch for our first Father's
Day should be fun looking forward to it. So I'm
not doing anything too crazy, not that you can with
a you know, six week.

Speaker 6 (01:55:53):
Old, right, Yeah, that's the question.

Speaker 9 (01:55:55):
So what where does the sixth week of forgive me
for not knowing these things? And somebody with no kids,
what do you do with a six week old? Like
does the six week old go to brunch to.

Speaker 5 (01:56:03):
Or like Anthony will say, yes, what you do is
you plan these things around his knaps, so you hope
that he's sleeping when you're out doing your thing, and
then by the time he wakes up, the party's over.

Speaker 6 (01:56:14):
That's kind of how that works.

Speaker 3 (01:56:15):
Okay, So and then you get your you'll like you'll
have your day like the Father's Day, Fitzy, is your
day just to knock get your your stones busted.

Speaker 9 (01:56:29):
I mean you almost you almost did it. You almost
thought it was about to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:56:35):
Yeah, to try the best, to just allowed to have
a dad, have like kind of a laid best but
laid back of a day as possible.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
Yeah, you know, yeah, drink a couple of beers.

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
Like it's like you eat, eat whatever you want to
eat without not like that's it's the things that you
could do every day that you that fits that we
get for a day. It's cold Father's Day, right, okay,
days like you know, it's like a parade.

Speaker 5 (01:57:02):
Oh you're rolling out the red carpet on top of
the blue carpet, on top of the planet mccarpet.

Speaker 4 (01:57:07):
I mean it's yes, it's ridiculous Father's Day. You know,
you got here, you go, you watch a couple.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
Of pitches of the game, or have a beer, you know,
a burger, and I'll leave you alone, right Like that's
kind of what it is.

Speaker 9 (01:57:20):
What you know, what you're telling me, you're not going
to get like a manny petty or anything on the
I mean, you treat yourself. Not not going to any
of those figgy steps.

Speaker 5 (01:57:27):
No, I know, manny petties on the docket, not happening,
not this year re least.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
No, no, no, no, unfortunately not. You know, it's kind
of it's we get these like these laid back moments
type of thing.

Speaker 9 (01:57:43):
You know what. I'm trying to imagine Anthony Gargano in
the chair getting a petticure. It's just like, just look,
I'm a fan of the petty. That's the least surprising
thing we've heard on the show this morning, Like getting
pampered every once a while, especially if they do like
the wax thing. Oh man, I'm all in on this.
I just can't imagine cousins sitting down and just like
I've never gotten out of petty.

Speaker 3 (01:58:01):
I got the manny, I got the manny, uh, but
never got the packet the manny, you know, before my
wedding and god maybe one or two other times I
never got the petty.

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
I've never got petties.

Speaker 9 (01:58:14):
Good because the petty is good because like you get
the foot robin and the leg rub and like.

Speaker 4 (01:58:18):
Oh listen, I mean, I listen, sounds delightful, honest with you,
but I mean never, you.

Speaker 5 (01:58:26):
Know, I am imagining fits he getting his petty while
he's drinking his fruit fruit drink from a bougie coffee
shop that has like fifteen thousand ingredients in it and that.

Speaker 9 (01:58:34):
Usually yes, but right now, right now, it's just water, buddy,
I'm still on my diet, so like, but you know,
the funny thing is that you're not wrong. Like usually
I like to stop and get the coffee first, because
like a lot of the petty places will offer you
like a glass of wine or whatever. Wine's not really
my thing. So I'll just take my own like fruit
fruit coffee in with like you know, eighty seven pumps
of sugar f vanilla usually but not now, but like,
and then sit back and then like they they you know,

(01:58:57):
they scrub your feet and they like massage you eggs
and then put the paraffin wax all over all. My god,
and then your feet looks so good. You're the fir
so soft. I'm telling you, like, we'll do a golf trip.
I'll play the golf if you guys will let me
take you to get petties afterwards.

Speaker 6 (01:59:12):
Hey, you know what, sign me upose to it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:15):
I may make we'll make a pack. Yeah, all right,
we're in. We'll do we'll go with you. All right,
it doesn't sounds great, like what's that the like? Believe me?
I take my socks off now, but my wife like
put it back on.

Speaker 6 (01:59:31):
Don't Fell Sports.

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The way you said that, that's well, good morning. I'm sorry,
go ahead.

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and the Celtics.

Speaker 4 (02:00:59):
We've been all over right.

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
I even stuck in some baseball thinking and I were
able to talk a little baseball for three seconds before
our man over here hit.

Speaker 4 (02:01:11):
It's over to tower with the head with a hammer.

Speaker 9 (02:01:13):
Well, you know that's the thing. Like, you just gotta
you know what, next time you guys want to talk baseball,
I'll go like microwave my egg whites from my morning
breakfast while you guys did handle that. It'll be you know,
it'll be about to say for everybody there, we go
all go handle the egg whites. You guys take care
of the baseball. It'll be perfect. It'll be perfect.

Speaker 3 (02:01:33):
I'll ask you, yes, just to start, I gotta give
you the Father's Day five. We got the brain coming up,
the whole thing. We still have to finish our updated
win totals. We got that stuff going on. I wish
we had another hour. I got these new odds on
who's going to lead the league in rushing, receiving and

(02:01:55):
passing yards. I know you would like that. So we'll
get to that a little bit as well as we
do it. But when we think about the coach's quarterbacks, right,
because we got this whole discussion about the quarterbacks, and
you're brought up Cousins, right, And you know, one of
the things of all these guys, Lawrence, is it shows

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you how few great coach like great offensive minds there are.

Speaker 4 (02:02:28):
It's uncanny, right like.

Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
That to me, is is almost more important than the
quarterback of and again figuring out a great example about
Nick Mullens and his greatest Shanahan is he couldn't turn
Nick Mullens into a winning quarterback. So you gotta have
a talent, but you gotta have the coach. And is

(02:02:52):
that's what's holding Dac back? Like that is terrific?

Speaker 4 (02:02:56):
Right?

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
You give you all kinds of numbers, but there is
that bumping his head on the clutch playoff moments.

Speaker 4 (02:03:05):
Is that him or is that the coach?

Speaker 9 (02:03:08):
I have to wonder. So at some point, if it's
the player, then it's the coach's job to get the
player out of that spot. In my mind, so I
put a lot on coaching. And one thing I've told
you before and I'll say again, the number of former athletes,
former NFL players that I have worked with and become
friends with that have stressed to me repeatedly that they
felt like they got better coaching at the college level

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than at the pro's level. Like there are so many
buddies that are on coaching staffs that sometimes you can
as an entire organization, you can lose trust from players
simply because they look around and say, man, these are
my coaches, right, Like this guy doesn't know what he's
talking about. Like that's real in locker room. So I
think when you look at the greatness that Dak has
been able to provide the world with his numbers, everybody says, well,

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it's just numbers if you are capable of putting up
those sorts of numbers, but it has not resulted in wins.
That I have to look around and say, Okay, what
is the team done to try and coach that out?
Like what is the team done to try and fix that.
That's part on McCarthy, that's part on the offensive staff,
that's part of the quarterback coach. Like they all play
a role in it. Sports psychologists all play a role
in it. If somebody has the yips in the playoffs,

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then you got to figure out a way to get
through that. I believe that if you have shown the
capability over the course of seventeen games to be great
and you just can't be great in that one playoff game,
that that has to be at part the coaching staff's
responsibility to get that player through whatever that hump is.
I don't want to say that none of it is
Dak's fault, but man, even if Dak has that mental thing,

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then you got to find the person on your staff
that can help him get through it.

Speaker 4 (02:04:41):
Big.

Speaker 5 (02:04:41):
Yeah, that's the interesting thing, because, yeah, the flip side
is if he can play well for seventeen straight weeks,
the coaches didn't all of a sudden forget how to coach,
which is because the stakes are a little bit higher.
If look, if it's all the same, we're still game planning,
it's still football. I realize the pressure is higher. All
of that. Sports psychology comes into the mix when it
comes to that. I'm not saying that coaching doesn't necessarily matter,
but if the coaching get so spectacular for the majority

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of the regular season and then something all of a
sudden flips in the mind of the player. I just
wonder how much the coaches can be blamed for that
one thing. I will say, just on a macro sense.
I don't know if you guys heard any of Tom
Brady's a Hall of Fame, you know, retirement jersey speech
earlier this week is and he just talked about the
lack of lack of quarterback play, a quality quarterback play

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in the NFL today, and it really permeates from the
college level. And whether or not that I don't know
if that's players or if that's coaching, or if it's
a combination of both. I have to think that it
probably has to do a lot like the players are
no less talented now than they have been in years past.
And maybe this is just you know, Tom Brady looking
at it from his own perspective, him being one of
the all time greats. I don't know, but from being

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going into be the elite analyst on Fox this year
and looking at tape the way that he does, seems
that the quarterback position is being played at an all
time I won't say an all time low, but not
as high of a quality position as it usually should be,
and he says it really comes from the college game
and from a lack of coaching. So if that's what
it is, you mentioned that there's a dearth of lack

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of quality coaches in the NFL and in college Anthony,
that might be the reason why there's a dearth of
a great quarterback play as well. It goes hand in
hand the coach is coaching the players.

Speaker 9 (02:06:17):
Well, sorry to interrupt you there, figure I'll chime in
here real quick because Charles Robinson at Yahoo did an
exclusive sit down with Brady this week and part of
what Brady talked about is that now that the college
game has become a set of mercenary one year at
a time, nobody's really being developed. And I think that's
probably a fair point. The only thing that I would

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say in response to that is that there is no
longer a system existing in the NFL that provides development.
As I stress, every single year, by collective bargaining agreement,
you're only allowed to have, for example, fourteen padded practices
per season, never two in a row during the course
of the entire regular season. So only fourteen times will
your favorite team put pads on during the season. Now

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I realize they figure out way to emulate some of this,
but to me, that means if your team doesn't tackle well,
they ain't gonna tackle well. And so the question becomes
when do you develop players? Because the more we limit
guys around the facility, and the more we try and
figure out how to get better at certain things and
manage guys time better, there has to be some level
of conversation around how do you get the best out

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of every quarterback that you have? And you can do
part of that in the classroom, but there are certainly
for generations, and cause you know this covering the sport
for so long, for generations there were guys that were
just they were practice guys, like they showed maybe they
weren't the best in the classroom, but in practice you
saw what they could do and it was special and
you had to development that. Now now the way practices
are limited, I don't even know how you do that.

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So it's less and less about development and more and
more about the fact they're like, you can either play
or you can't, and maybe the coaches will make the
best of it, Like when's the last time we saw
a quarterback let's say Josh Allen is the one I
can remember take a meteoric leap after he got into
the to the league at something, Josh Allen's completion percentage
went up in incredible ways. The Bills did a rare

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thing and insulated him and kept around people that could
help develop him to become the best he could be.
That's so rare in the modern NFL. Like your guy
can either play or he can't play, and you got
that figured out in two years now.

Speaker 3 (02:08:13):
Yeah, it's it's it's almost that's the system, right, Like
that's the.

Speaker 4 (02:08:20):
Right of passage. I should say, like it's going to
go like this, boom boom. You got to have a
decision made in two years because and I do think
that the way they did the rookie deal, which was smart, right,
like it used to be if you drafted a quarterback,
you drafted Sam Bradford and he's a bust, the contract burried.

Speaker 6 (02:08:39):
You or JaMarcus Russell. Yeah, there's numerous examples.

Speaker 3 (02:08:45):
Yeah, So the changing that rule was I think a
huge deal for them.

Speaker 9 (02:08:50):
One hundred percent. It allows everybody to just you know,
continually float through rosters. But now you know in this
and I know we're sort of preaching to the choir
for a lot of famis, but stability no longer exists
in the NFL. So if every coach is in theory
coaching for their job every couple of years, like I
think there's a really good chance this year that Brian
Dable is going to get fired by the end of
the season. That you need Daniel Jones to be the

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guy that saves your entire coaching staff. That's not who
I want to bank on to save anything. So Daniel
Jones will struggle this year, the Giants won't be very good,
and Dable gets fired. To think about what that means
compared to the conversations we had about da bol a
couple of years ago, just speaks to the fact that
now at every single position, in every single way, every
organization is a revolving door. So a league that's built

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to try and compete every year, if you're not doing
that in some sense one or two years in, you're
changing everything constantly. So how do you fix that change?
You got to hope that at some point this is
not a way to pay your mortgage, but you got
to hope you hit the lottery. You got to hope
at some point, somehow, someway, you find your Oh my god,
I can't believe we got this coach quarterback combination, which
basically means you're just going back to the table rolling

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the dice every year and you're just hoping, like hell
that this is the year. You got to figure it
out of a way to do business, has nothing to
do with development, doesn't make teams better long term, but
that's a modern NFL.

Speaker 4 (02:10:06):
Yeah, I don't think you're right. Everything you just said
I agree with.

Speaker 3 (02:10:10):
The only thing I don't agree with is I don't
think Dable gets fired even if the Giants. I don't
think the Giant's gonna be good. I don't think Daniel
Jones the guy. I did hear something that if he
was on the hot seat, then he would have taken
a shot at the quarterback meeting McCarthy. But the fact

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that he goes and gets the wide receiver means he's
not under that sort of pressure.

Speaker 4 (02:10:46):
He's got a pressure.

Speaker 9 (02:10:47):
But sort of I sort of buy that. But also
that one wide receiver gonna make a huge difference. So maybe,
I mean, maybe if you're a Giants fan, you're thinking
that's you know, but if you're a Giants fan, that's
what you thought Darren Wall was going to be a
year ago. Also, So like I I buy some of that.
But also, if you don't believe you're going to be
around long enough to stick around to see a quarterback development,

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do you take the wide receiver that maybe gives you
the best shot to at least get something out of
it now so you can sort of hold the Wolves off?

Speaker 5 (02:11:18):
Yeah, I mean, and it will be mediocre, be enough
to even save you if you're if you're you know,
seven and ten or eight and nine and maybe you
just missed the play. I mean you can, you're still
just as liable to lose your job, even if it's
not a total disaster, you know. So that doesn't give
you anything either. If Daniel Jones is decent, your neighbors
plays great, and you gar your ball out and put
up some good offensive numbers, but you don't make the postseason,

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are you any less on the hot seat at that point?
Are they any less on the chopping block at that point?

Speaker 3 (02:11:44):
Yeah? So from what I heard is that. Also, remember
how the Giants do things. They do things very They're
not rash when it comes to coaches and they love,
They still love Dable.

Speaker 6 (02:11:59):
They are very loyal. I will say that sometimes.

Speaker 3 (02:12:02):
I mean that's Mara, So I mean and I'm just
giving you. They're kind of in that mode of, Hey,
you know, we understand if you're going to do this,
you know, we want you to do the best, you know,
for the organization and not and not just force and
that that was the issue of forcing the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (02:12:23):
They didn't want to force the quarterback.

Speaker 9 (02:12:25):
Yeah, well you can't force it. Like, the one thing
I would say is at the draft, and I've been
consistent on this for the seven years I've covered it,
Taking a quarterback just because you need one is not
the right thing to do. Reaching for a quarterback is
not right thing to do. Forcing a quarterback is not
the right thing to do, because if you're wrong on it,
you are going to set your organization back a couple
of years, and you're likely everybody's going to get fired. Like,

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very few organizations get the chance to get it wrong
at the quarterback position. The forty nine ers are the
rare exception, but that's because they drafted incredibly well for
years leading up to that. Right, So it is a
smart strategy to not force the quarterback position. It was
a smart strategy this year is a smart strategy last
year as much as people. You know, we're clamoring over
will Levis at one point and it was like, now,

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you don't clamor over will Levis. Let's get it real here.
You cannot chase the quarterback positions just because you need one.
Problem is, if you don't have a quarterback, you're not
going to win at the highest level, especially in the
modern AFC. If you don't have somebody that can compete
with Burrow, Mahomes and Allen, you're not going to get
to You're not going to give yourself much of a
chance to actually be successful. Problem is, what do you
do if the Borough, Mahomes and Allen isn't available to you.

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I think there are plenty of teams right now that
are just sort of stuck in the realm of mediocrity
and there's nothing that they're going to be able to
do for the next five years that will change the
fact that they're going to gravitate between eight and nine
and nine and eight for the next five years. And
that's just that's the real reality of it. I hope
you make the playoffs. You hope you get a shot,
but you're not going to have one. And the Chiefs
and the Bills and the Bengals are going to continue

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to dominate. The Ravens are going to continue to dominate
because they've got the right tandem of coaching quarterback.

Speaker 6 (02:13:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:13:57):
I was always going to say, what you do is
you hope that you end up finding Alamar Jackson at
the bottom of the first round, or say a brock
Party late in the draft. But again, if you're going
to find brock Party, you got to have the guy
that can actually coach him up. It brings us full
circle back to the beginning of the conversation of coaching
and having the right coach in place to be able
to coach certain players of certain skill levels within a system,

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and there's just not a lot of great coaches who
have the ability to do that out there.

Speaker 9 (02:14:23):
Imagine having to bank your ability to feed your family
on the Well, maybe we can get it right with
this guy, and that's like, that's where we are with
a bunch of these quarterbacks. Souse, You're right, I think
it's a smart strategy to trade back down into the
bottom of the first round. Trade up, I should say,
to the bottom of the first round and just try
and get a quarterback there. If it's not that prime,

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you know, you're not reaching at that point. You're trying
to be smart about it. I think it's a smart
strategy to take a quarterback in the second round that hey,
maybe this guy can work out. Those are all if
you don't have the guy you can bank on that,
that's a very smart thing to do. I think the
mistake is reaching for a Michael Pennix junior and that
doesn't matter or if you if you're Atlanta or somebody
else that took him that high. I think that's where
it becomes a mistake. But imagine coming in and being like, well,

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what's our business strategy. Well, we're just gonna take a
flyer on this guy and hope, like hell it works out,
because if it doesn't, we're all losing her jobs.

Speaker 4 (02:15:14):
Like that's crazy, I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (02:15:16):
All right, let's take a quick kind of pivot here
and let me give you the five Father's Day questions.
All right, and I'm curious to see where you guys
are with these questions.

Speaker 4 (02:15:29):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:15:30):
Question number one is this, give me your best give
me your best TV dad, and your best movie dad
that you would want as your own father. All right,
so I'll give you that one first Figgi, you wanted

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to take the honors.

Speaker 6 (02:15:56):
TV dad that I would want.

Speaker 5 (02:15:59):
Well see, I grew up loving family matters and I
like Carl Winslow, so I might go with that.

Speaker 6 (02:16:07):
Actually, you know what, I'm gonna take that back. I'm
gonna go with.

Speaker 5 (02:16:10):
Uncle Phil, Uncle Phil, Yes, Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince
for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:16:16):
Yeah, yeah, nothing go on.

Speaker 9 (02:16:20):
I was gonna say, nothing speaks to the slight differences
in who we are as the fellas that you went
with like a really cool, awesome, intelligent, smart, loving, hard
but fair, tough but fair person that just absolutely took
somebody into that family, like iconic TV dad. And my

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first thought was Phil Dumphy from Modern Family. I want,
I want like a lovable doof like that. That's a
lovable idiot. That's kind of what I want. It's it's funny,
it speaks your your decision on that was so smart,
And then I'm sitting here thinking I'm more of a Phil.

Speaker 6 (02:16:53):
Dumpy guy from a comedic standpoint.

Speaker 5 (02:16:55):
Al Bundy was definitely on the list, but I don't
think i'd want him raising me to be honest with you,
that's probably.

Speaker 4 (02:17:01):
How about how about how about this.

Speaker 3 (02:17:04):
Of the TV gangster dads breaking bad Walter White, m hm,
Tony Soprano and I had the other one too, I
forgot oh, and then the judge Brian krantzton plays the
judge who covered up for his son.

Speaker 9 (02:17:29):
No, I want one hundred percent that's Tony Spranto. Like,
if I'm gonna have a gangster dad, I want the
biggest badass on the block, Like like where I can
just say whatever and he might, you know, whap me
up to the side of the back of the head.
But I can get away with anything outside of the
house with that guy as my dad. Like that's what
I want.

Speaker 6 (02:17:48):
Yeah, I like that fits.

Speaker 5 (02:17:49):
I would go with Walter White because I think there's
plausible deniability in that everything that he's doing, he's doing
it for the right reasons, or at least he's convincing
himself that he is to try to make money, to
stay a lot, to help his family, and he will
do anything and everything necessary to make sure that he
makes that possible. And it's not because he is just
inherently an evil person. There's a reason why he's doing

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what he's doing, and so there's a lot of messed
up stuff that he did, but you can justify it. Bye,
I'm just trying to provide for my family, man, and
I can respect that part, but I don't I do
not buy any means adorse many of the things that
he did. I just want to make sure I make
that part clear, abundantly clear.

Speaker 9 (02:18:29):
Are we specific here to just the drug dealing.

Speaker 5 (02:18:31):
Well, or the drug dealing, the murdering, you know, stuff
like stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (02:18:38):
I thought you did have a good time fun. Oh,
movie Dad.

Speaker 5 (02:18:45):
By the way, I gotta go with John Witherspoon's character
from Friday Ice Cepe Shoving Friday. Oh, that's great, hysterical,
also well intended. Things will probably come out the way
that you want all the time. But you know, he's
well intended and he's in a great father figure and
the great speech about you know, using your hands to
fight and not using guns and all that was something
that really struck me watching that as a kid.

Speaker 6 (02:19:06):
So he would be the movie Dad that I would
go with.

Speaker 4 (02:19:08):
How about Laurence Fishburn?

Speaker 5 (02:19:10):
Oh yeah, boys Hood for sure, another good one.

Speaker 6 (02:19:14):
Absolutely so Movie Dad.

Speaker 9 (02:19:17):
If we were still talking TV version of this, my case,
it would have been clearly Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights,
but I didn't like the movie version of them as much.
So my movie dad choice again, because I'm a moron
on this show is gonna be Clark Griswold, Like I
want a movie.

Speaker 4 (02:19:32):
There, Like initially, that's great answer.

Speaker 9 (02:19:35):
Like somebody that's just like at its core. The reason
I love Christmas Vacation every year, and the reason it's
one of my favorite movies is simply because like there's
such an endearing, loving quality to everything about Clark that like, yeah,
he's a moron and he gets everything wrong, but through
the entire process, all he's trying to do is like
have the best time with his family and like bring

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them together. I'm all in on Clark Griswold.

Speaker 4 (02:19:59):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 3 (02:20:00):
All right, we have to quick CEO. I'll continue the
Father's Day. We'll also talk to the Brain. That's all
coming up next, Fellas hanging Fox Sports Radio. All right,
welcome back, Fellas on a Father's Day weekend, hanging out

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from the tire Rack dot Com Studios.

Speaker 4 (02:20:28):
All right, boys, we got the Brain coming up in
about two minutes. I just want to hate you one
more question as you try to get through this because
it's always fun. Give me this.

Speaker 3 (02:20:40):
The best father son duo in sports, like your favorite
father son duo in sports?

Speaker 4 (02:20:48):
Who you got.

Speaker 6 (02:20:50):
You want to start, fizzy, No, that's tough.

Speaker 9 (02:20:53):
I need a second to think about that one. I
gotta go through. That's probably fair.

Speaker 5 (02:20:58):
Yeah, I mean, come on, and I mean to have
one of the great moments of all time where they
hit home runs back to back in the same game.

Speaker 4 (02:21:05):
I mean pretty incredible that that was amazing and I
love I was a huge junior fan.

Speaker 6 (02:21:12):
Amazing.

Speaker 5 (02:21:13):
You know, I will say as a as a young
black kid growing up, you know, he really inspired was
really the inspiration to me watching and being interested in
watching Major League Baseball in a sport that wasn't very
popular in the inner city. The backwards cap at the
home run derby, like all of that. He he was
a big inspiration to me and some of my friends
as to why we even got into watching baseball in

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the first place. And I will tell you change changed
my life to a certain degree.

Speaker 4 (02:21:38):
I could I could totally see that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:40):
And I'll tell you, I don't know if you have
any dealings with them, I know them the greatest guys
I've ever covered.

Speaker 4 (02:21:49):
I loved Junior.

Speaker 3 (02:21:51):
I mean, uh, one of the best, one of the
best deal ever.

Speaker 4 (02:21:57):
I mean, he's just he's just a great dude, incredible.

Speaker 9 (02:22:03):
I have the Griffies was the first father son duo
that came to mind. So that's a great, great call
by you. I also think of the Mannings. Obviously, arch
and Peyton or Arch and Eli, take anything you want
out of that. They're sort of the first family of
football right now. But I'll go a little off the
grid because they're both Hall of famers. I will go
with the whole family, Bobby whole, Brett whole little hockey

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action for you.

Speaker 4 (02:22:24):
Oh ah, that's a good dude.

Speaker 9 (02:22:27):
I like that both of them were sort of iconic
stars in their own generation, unstoppable and like, yeah, that one.
So that one also came to mind. So I'm sort
of torn, So to be different, I'll go Bobby and Brett.

Speaker 3 (02:22:40):
I like that a lot. That's very good. I got
to give you a Manning story real quick. So when
I had my son Anthony, I.

Speaker 4 (02:22:50):
Wrote a story. I pitched the story to Esquire magazine
and it was advice from Archie Manning, because you know,
it's during Peyton's hey day, right, and he's got Peyton
and Eli, and of course you know, I got my
eyes on a young one of my baby I want
to see him play football. Right, So the mission of

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the piece.

Speaker 3 (02:23:15):
Was to get advice from the first Family of football
and Archie. So I'd sit down with Archie and I
and I interview and write the story.

Speaker 4 (02:23:24):
But he told me a great, great story.

Speaker 3 (02:23:27):
That he had the number He had a belt that
he got as a gift, and the belt had his
number eight on it and the buckle was the number eight,
and it was like an oversized cowboy belt buckle, right,
And he said that he would have the buckle the

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belt hanging in his room, so anytime the kids got
into any trouble, right, he would have the belt hagg it.
And so they would see that, and they called it
to number eight. And he said, if you ever got
in trouble, the number eight's waiting for you.

Speaker 4 (02:24:11):
And I thought it was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (02:24:14):
So I answered Peyton about it, and Peyton said, yeah, dude,
he goes the one time the concession stand at the
Little League was open and me, Eli and a couple
of our friends went in and raided it. And got
ate all the food and you know, like they robbed,
not rob but well they did you know, you ate

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all the food and stuff. So when he got home,
right right, and so anyway, what happens is Arn'tie gets
wins and the number eight almost.

Speaker 6 (02:24:48):
Came out like he had to eight in his hand.

Speaker 4 (02:24:51):
Right Anyway, I thought that was that was that was
great stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:25:01):
And now my son, so Anthony is fourteen. In fact,
he just graduated eighth grade. Right, So the last two nights,
the last I mean the last two days, he's had
his first practice for high school football. So they had
the workouts and uh, he waited in the whole thing.

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They start early, like he just graduated and he's got
he already had two workouts grades high school team.

Speaker 9 (02:25:27):
How's that transition for him?

Speaker 16 (02:25:28):
Is that?

Speaker 9 (02:25:28):
Was that going to be a big leap you think?
Or is he just music carcado? So he's he's you know,
he's got the size, he's got the know how, he's
got the coaching at home. Come ons, how's the transition?

Speaker 6 (02:25:38):
He certainly not a small kid, we'll say that.

Speaker 3 (02:25:40):
Yeah, yeah, so he's he just got wayed in. So
he's he's six feet one seventy two thirteen. Yeah, so
he's got good. He was a size thirteen sneaker. Yeah,
so he's got that. Like he he like, I'm hoping
he's like, he's got to another three inches, right, I

(02:26:02):
think so, right, Yeah, I'm hoping. I'm hoping he's got
another three inches and he gets that and I think
he'll be good. And so I got him working on
the edge and at tight end. So I like, I
think he's profile and edge and tight end.

Speaker 9 (02:26:20):
What does he want to play?

Speaker 3 (02:26:23):
No, I think that's I think he's pretty. He's open,
he doesn't care.

Speaker 4 (02:26:28):
He like he loves being a part of it.

Speaker 3 (02:26:31):
He loves doing it. He likes I think he likes
defense the best. Right, he loves it, right, he loves defense.

Speaker 17 (02:26:38):
Deliver supposed to take him? I feeling yeah, you know,
And I think like I moved him. He was playing
he was playing guard or tackle.

Speaker 3 (02:26:48):
I mean he's actually playing tackle right tackle, and he's
not going to be he doesn't have a tackle body.
He shot up a little bit and he got kind
of leaned out. So I moved him the tight because
you can still block, and he's starting to get faster.
So I've been working on his speed with him, so
he's got you know, so I think he can profiles
the tight end.

Speaker 9 (02:27:09):
It's such an interesting concept that you're talking about there,
like to start at one position but understanding the gross
spurts come and such. Like the summer between eighth and
ninth grade was my big gross spurt and my weight
didn't change, but I went from being a fat kid
to being super skinny because I grew so much that
summer and wildly painful summer. But it's funny how you

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don't think about a kid being like, well, he's it
looks like he's going to be this. Then all of
a sudden he's like, well, it took a gross spurt,
so now we're going to try him over here, like
try a different skills. So that that's kind of crazy, it.

Speaker 3 (02:27:40):
Is, And you know what, like you got to almost
do it because like you wanted them to get to
play the best position to make them succeed, right, like
you know, I mean, that's that's a part of you
got to navigate that piece of it, all right.

Speaker 4 (02:27:54):
The brain is with us.

Speaker 3 (02:27:57):
Uh, let's get a quick visit from the brain and
let me just say this. At brad'sbeest bets dot com
is how you reach them. Brad called double digit victory
for the Mavericks last night.

Speaker 16 (02:28:12):
That was a good Yeah, Anthony, we talked by going
like that as an all trip play. I kind of
that I could see a twenty point win. We got it.
You know. The Dallas obviously just was there night and Boston.
You know what, Listen, They're still going to win the series,
but Dallas at least had their flowers for one night.

Speaker 9 (02:28:30):
I mean that's a real question. Did you see anything
in that game that makes you change the way you
think the rest of this series is going to go,
even if even if Boston still wins, did you see
something that changes the way you're playing the rest of
this series?

Speaker 16 (02:28:41):
Well, listen, I full transparency. I've been on the Dallas
side all four games, and basically they're one, two and
one in covering. You know, they they pushed in game two,
and they Boston covered you know, the games one and three,
and then obviously Dallas covered this game. I look, I
lean Dallas again game for I'm sorry game five be

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getting seven points, but no, I think I fully expect
Boston probably to close out this game, but I think
it'll be a competitive game. I do. But you know, listen,
that was in sports. We get it, guys. You're playing
off games, You're gonna get those kind of performances. Last night,
you know, Dallas was hitting their shots. Boston is off.
Maybe Boston just I don't know. I don't know, but

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Boston's interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:29:25):
Guys.

Speaker 16 (02:29:26):
This is what they always have, one of these games
where they just they put in a stinker of all stinkers,
but not college. So you know what you're entitled le
performance like this. They had it last night. I'm sure
they'll still win.

Speaker 4 (02:29:41):
Yeah, I'm with you. I still think they're gonna still win.
Any Uh. I know you're at the airport and you're
in the middle of it.

Speaker 3 (02:29:48):
But any anything with hockey the US Open, Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 16 (02:29:54):
Well hockey hockey. It's interesting, guy. Look, but the series
the game for us right around a pick. But I listen,
I I think Florida has shown, at least in my opinion,
they actually are the better team. I think that Florida
is just better than Edmonton. I do. They've given them
fits offensively, they obviously have a massive edge and goal again,

(02:30:17):
is it some crazy great play? No, But I do
think that Florida does close this out. I think they
actually just are just a better, better team. Before the series,
I thought it was a fifty to fifty series. I
was wrong. Clearly, Florida, at least by watching these games,
to me, has been the more impressive team, and I

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think they're probably going to close the thing out. Like
in game four, I really do.

Speaker 9 (02:30:42):
Do you see any spots to make money there? Like,
is there a proper or anything that you like coming.

Speaker 16 (02:30:45):
Out of Yeah, I'm not I've not really been a
huge prop guying hockey, more football, baseball, basketball. But again,
as I said, I do think, and the price is
right around pick area, I do think that they closed
out in terms of the US Open. Look, I'm always
looking in the situation where I can get a price.
It's so hard to win these tournaments, so so hard.

(02:31:07):
Look you see the lead of works is very bunched up.
Two guys I would look at getting double digitads's just
because these guys has had success and they're getting a
big price. One Patrick can't lay ten to one, he's
one shot back. Again, this guy who's one tournament's never
won a major, but he's one tournament getting ten to one,

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one shot back. I see the worst the other guy.
And this guy never never wins, but he's always right there.
As Tony Fenale is like sixteen to one area, he's
two shots back. He's a guy that has big rounds
in him. Uh, and there's always been a really really
good player, but just he never finds a way new
wily to close it. But I would need to be

(02:31:49):
getting double digitads where they take anyone right now, anyone,
even though the favorite ney Borg like to bet someone.
I would need double the shots because of how hard
it is to win this monament and how close the
leaderboard is. Guys, a lot of guys can win it,
but those would be the two guys who I consider
it to be top fifteen golfers. For getting double digit odds.
Why not?

Speaker 3 (02:32:10):
Yeah, that makes that makes perfect sense. Last thing anything
in baseball.

Speaker 16 (02:32:15):
Yeah, I'll give you a couple of props, Toboy. I
like first. I like I like the Cubs and the
five inning line laying a half rung with a manga
against Polente of the Cardinals. Don't trust the Cubs bullpen.
Even a little Manja has been like one of the
best pictures in baseball. You can lay half running about
a dour Cony. I feel pretty comfortable that the Cubs
will score runs, and I feel comfortable that a manga

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will hold the Cardinals in check. Don't want to deal
with that very poor Cubs bullten. So I like the Cardinals,
the Cubs, Chicago Cubs in the five inning line, laying
a half run guys, Jack Flaherty over fifteen and a
half hours, you can get plus one oh five plus
one ten on this that I don't get it. He's
eleven and two to the over. And by the way,
one of the two losses was his last start where

(02:32:58):
he pitched five shutout innings and had to leave with
a backflare up. But they took a shot. They said
he's one hundredercent fine. I love him over fifteen and
a half outs. He's been a horse that's been the
jack party of years back. We saw on the Cardinals
when he was emerging into what he thought was a frontline.
You know, stud pitcher love. That's my bet of the day.
I love him over fifteen and a half out and getting

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juice again. Amazing bet. And then Andrew Monasterio Milwaukee Brewers
usually hits ninth. He thinking one thirty eight for the
year I've been him not to score a run, laying
a dollar fifty area again, guy hitting ninth against a
decent pitcher, nabboit. He only scores a run in about
twenty six twenty seven percent of his games. This should

(02:33:40):
be much more than laying a dollar fifte in my opinion,
especially at home. Hitting nine and he can get him
pinchhit for it. That's the beauty, Baptist bet, that's the
guy you could easily be pinch it for. May only
get two played appearances. Give me him not to score
a run rooty against human Achievan Anthony, you know my
favorite thing to do in this world.

Speaker 3 (02:33:55):
You are doctor Under. That's right, Doctor Under. I love it.

Speaker 4 (02:34:00):
Say travels, big break, great stuff is always Buddy there.
He is the big brain. Brad Feinberg with us.

Speaker 3 (02:34:09):
We'll take a quick t o we'll come back and
I can't believe we're gonna wrap it up, but try
to sneak in some more Father's Day right here, Fellas
Fox Sports Radio, All right, welcome back Fellas, Jason fitz
Kevin Figures, Anthony Gargana hanging out with you guys. I

(02:34:32):
want to thank real quick before we get out of
here our fine producers as always, Marty, Mark and Ian
and Brianna, who's bres hopping out. So I want to
with him a very first of all, thank you and
a great job.

Speaker 4 (02:34:52):
All right, let me get to a couple of these questions.

Speaker 3 (02:34:54):
All right, give me your three best father figures in
the world of sports. So think about the three best
father figures in the world of sports. Then you go,
you know what, they're big, just be great fathers. So

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let's alternate. I'll start with you fig.

Speaker 4 (02:35:19):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (02:35:21):
Well, I know we brought him up already on the show,
but I'm gonna have to say, Archie Manning, I mean,
look at what he's turned out, you know, and probably
was a pretty solid decision, uh, basically being the bad
guy for ELI and forcing him out of the Chargers
to the New York Giants got him two Super Bowl
rings out of it and probably a Hall of Fame
bert at some point.

Speaker 4 (02:35:40):
So I am not I would tee you up. Go ahead, FITZI.

Speaker 9 (02:35:47):
When I think father figures in sports, I'm not just
thinking about dads. I'm thinking about coaches that seem to
have the pulse of how to be that. And I
will go to pop like Popovich is somebody that it
feels aways form just has that like father figure sort
of element to him.

Speaker 4 (02:36:03):
So I'll go with pop That's a good one. Man,
that's a really good one. All right. FIG.

Speaker 5 (02:36:10):
So on that note, I'm gonna go with John Thompson.
Who oh, I mean you talk about rough and tumble
guys that he had at Georgetown, but all those players,
whether it's Ai you, all those guys talked about how
great of a father figure and how great of an
example of a man that he was to them.

Speaker 3 (02:36:27):
Holdo, holdo, John Thompson, I don't think shared the familial
uh fig with Ai.

Speaker 4 (02:36:36):
No, he.

Speaker 9 (02:36:39):
Did.

Speaker 4 (02:36:42):
He was like, dude, you gotta go go pro.

Speaker 9 (02:36:47):
That's funny.

Speaker 4 (02:36:49):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (02:36:50):
It's a struggle for me for the next one, because like,
if we're if we're just being very real and transparent here,
part of me, as from the coaching side, part of me,
would love to take, for example, Andy Reid, who I
think with his teammates, seemed with his team, seems to
have such that fatherly role. But obviously he's had so
many issues in his own personal life that it's hard
for me to go there with with Andy, as tragic

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as that has all been, So I'll stay in the
coaching realm, but I'll go with somebody a little older,
Dick Vermeil. When I think like figure out coaches. Vermeil
was sort of that guy that just he was the
hug you, I love you sort of guy. That one
really stands out to me.

Speaker 4 (02:37:26):
You're very high emotional EP high EQ. That's very good.

Speaker 3 (02:37:31):
Ay, I will tell you knowing that situation intimately, you know,
I mean he's a great dad, Like I know, I know,
I know how much he integrated and tried to have
and then sometimes you know, as a parent, you know
you're just out of control.

Speaker 4 (02:37:46):
You know, we just have no control. It's horrible.

Speaker 9 (02:37:49):
And look man, like I've always been very honest, and
in this moment, I will remind the world of that.
Like my brother did seven years for possession with the
intent to distribute. We're very different people that were raised
by the same two people, right, So, like I've lived
this in my my life a million ways. Like I
was the straight a student that always did everything the
right way, and he was the one that you know,
tried to drop out in seventh grade, right like saint parents.

(02:38:11):
It's just you know, so I say all of That's
why I say there's a just sort of an asterisk
on the right way to handle that. So they're certainly
not throwing stones. Because the glasshouse that I was grew
that I grew up in was was I'm very transparent about.

Speaker 3 (02:38:25):
Oh yeah, all right, Uh you want to have another one, fake, Yeah,
this is a personal one.

Speaker 5 (02:38:32):
Michael Thompson, former player for the Lakers, a great father
to Clay Thompson, who's obviously a great young man with
a great player with the Golden State Warriors. Kind of
saw Clay when he was a teenager, when I was
a coworker of Michael's back in the day, and to
see him grow up, to see the player and the
person he's become has been really spectacular. And Michael a
great man of faith and of great morals. So I
love to see Michael and all the success he's had

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in his sons, Clay and his other sons as well.

Speaker 6 (02:38:55):
So I'll go with Michael Thompson, love it.

Speaker 9 (02:38:57):
I'll bring the I'll bring the number eight pelt back
out because I think we take for granted the fact
that you know, Arch was able to raise Peyton and Eli,
which you got two kids that had the level of
success they have, but also that have seemed to be
as through that whole process, that seemed to manage to
be themselves through all of it. That's so hard to
do in this limelight. I think Archie Manning deserves a

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little credit in that too. Father figure.

Speaker 4 (02:39:21):
Yeah, without a doubt, great ones are all great ones
I put out there, Charlie Manuel, who was like a
great dad to his to his players, and no one
mentionally he's a great guy anyway, that's good deal for us.

Speaker 3 (02:39:36):
I would have wish all the dads out there a
happy Father's day, all right, very important in a child.

Speaker 4 (02:39:41):
We love you guys, have a great week. We'll see
you next week.

Speaker 9 (02:39:44):
Go get a pedict.