April 26, 2023 • 49 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental health podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On this episode, FOX Sports College Football Analyst Joel Klatt joins Jay to preview the NFL Draft. The former Colorado quarterback also dives into his own battle with alcohol and how an ultimatum from his wife ultimately led him to sobriety.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer.
I'm Jay Glazer, and let's call this the NFL Draft
edition of Unbreakable and obviously the draft this week. And
who better to have on than my dude from Fox
Sports working for the NFL network this week as well,
Joe Klatt and Joel's on here for a couple of reasons.
One to give us our draft information, but number two,
(00:38):
he has a story that most people don't know. Joel
lives a sober life and the world doesn't know it,
and I think it surprises people want to tell them that.
But he's going to talk to us about that as well.
So Joe Clatt, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Brother man.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I'm so happy to be here, so good to be
with you, man, There's no doubt so.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
And this is, by the way, so little background.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Jay and I don't get to work a lot together,
even though we're the kind of the under the same roof.
This is the week that we get to like really
dive in and work together, which is always exciting for me.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And for years you and I hosted the first Round
of Fox Sports Radio until you kind of better deal
with us for NFL network. Let's just call it out.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
That's true. I ge't lie about it.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
But we still get to hash it out and go
through all of our pre draft process. The only downside
about getting to do what I do now, which is
like go and work on television on the set, is
that I don't get to see Jay basically, I guess,
lack of a better term, like orchestrating the first round.
I mean you, Jay has all the information five minutes
(01:40):
before anybody else does. And to sit there next to
him and to see that and to see the connections
and everything going on with the first round, that's what
I miss.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, you know, that's the thing look for people out there,
you know, And I write it in my book I'm Breakable.
I talk about relationships, right, everything's relationship based. These guys
literally tell me who they're going to take days out
or the day or you know, ten minutes out or whatever.
And I don't took picks, right, we don't. I don't
do that because I realized the fans don't like that.
But Joe will sit in the room. We have it down.
Joe will sit in the room with me, and I'll
(02:10):
talk on the phone. And I asked, every time a
GM or head coach calls, I have the same intro,
right do I normally.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Say, well, basically, just who do you like?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You know, it's not really like hey, fucko me do that.
And the first time I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I was like it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I was like, well, I no, exam fuck intro. I
didn't know you if I wanted to say it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Here Now we do it, and you're like, you're talking
to these guys. Yes, absolutely, It just got to be real,
got to be authentic. So we've been doing this for
a long time. And then look, people may also so
Joel Klatt, what makes him such a college football draft group?
Tell us your background there at Colorado?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Well, so my background's a little bit unique in the
sense that out of high school I actually played baseball
and it was my better and so I was drafted
jay to play minor league baseball and decided to go
do that Santygo Padres and went and did that for
about three seasons and it was not going well, and
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for reasons that I'll talk about later actually when we
talk about just like the mental health aspect, the alcoholism
I dealt with. And so I decided, like, man, I
gotta do something. I gotta change my life. And so
I made a life decision, not a sports decision, and
went back and said I need to go get a degree.
Decided to go back to the University of Colorado. Only
then did I decided, like, I guess I'll walk on
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because I have eligibility. I played football in high school,
you know that would be cool. And then all of
a sudden, loan and behold, found myself, you know, starting
for three years. And so everything from that point on
in my life has been icing on the cake. And really,
to be honest with you, I think it's the it's
the reward for good decisions, to be honest, you know.
And so then to get into the draft.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So then I started way.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But it's pretty amazing he took off three years, walked
on and it took you what one year then to
start for the next three.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I started as a sophomore.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's unreal.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So get this.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
My dad was my high school football coach and he's
a former Marine right, like he was in Vietnam. He
was the first lieutenant of our artillery division. Wow and yes.
And so he made it known like you're not going
to start at quarterback until you're a senior. And I'd
be like, well, I'm like really, like come on, you know,
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like I would like to get recruited. And he's just like, sorry,
I don't know what to tell you, Like, I'm not
going to play you over anybody that's older.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So I started.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I started one year of high school football as a
quarterback and three years as a quarterback in college. So
I started more at Colorado than I did at Pomona
High School.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
In our back at Colorado.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
For you ever go back and say, Dad, you really
screw this?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes, all the time, and he always says to Jay,
he says the same thing.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
He's like, well it worked out for you, didn't it.
And I'm like, you're right, all right, you're right.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You were part of a bounty, yes, right, yes.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
You know if you go back to early two thousands,
two thousand and two, two thousand and three, four two
thousand and five, we played University of Miami in a
non conference game at their place in September of five.
And this was, by the way, it was fairly close
to when Katrino was coming in the Gulf that fall
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of five. But I digress. What ends up happening is
we play Miami. Years later, there's an article on Yahoo
News talking about bounty gate. You know how Nevin Shapiro,
the booster at the University of Miami was paying guys
like John Beeson and Brandon Meriweather and all these guys
bounties on opponent's head and lo and behold in the
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article is like Joel Klatt, quarterback in Colorado. You know,
John Beeson basically knocked him out of the game. He
got five hundred dollars. And I was like, yes, I
made it like I had a bounty. But then Jay,
I was so proud, right, I was so proud. But
here's the worst part about it is that later in
the article I realized that Chris Ricks, the Floor's state quarterback,
had a thousand dollars bounty.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
So I'm like, I didn't even have the best bounty.
So it like brought me down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, you're pissed at that a bounty on you? Did?
They knock you out out?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Almost yes.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I mean, listen, I got concussed in that game. I
ended up getting a turf toe injury in that game.
And then there's this Actually you can google this, by
the way, just google Klatt gets blown up and it's
it's the play against Miami in which John Beeson basically
supplexes me. I'm chasing down a guy who had recovered
a fumble and I'm trying to chase him down and
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tackle him before he scores. And I look back like
this and Beeson just like lifts me up from under
my arm, and all of a sudden, I'm on his
shoulder and then I'm hitting the ground and rolling. And
Shapiro paid him five hundred bucks for that.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Oh my god. Did you ever talk to John Beson.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I've never talked to him about it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Really good, dude, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I'm hey. Good for him. I'm like, I wish you
would have gotten collected several times.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
That's the credit, right. Let's dive it in the draft
little bit here before we go to some more of
your story. Give me the five players that you think
or can't miss.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Oh that's a good, good question. Let me start with this.
I think it's a good draft. Not a great draft.
That's what I started, you know when we first talked
about that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Do you think it's not great because the nil more
people are players decide now to stay in because they
get paid in college instead of to.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Get paid not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I actually think it's it's more just they got caught
in a cycle where you had Let's put it this way,
there's guys that have to stay in college football this
year that would all be the best player at their
position in miss Harrison Williams.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Even the guy like Drake May the quarterback in North Carolina,
Brock Bauers the tight end at Georgia, And so that
makes it, you know, just the depth isn't quite there.
So there's probably fifteen to eighteen guys that are like
true bona fide first round guys. But I do think
that there are five guys that are stars in this draft.
And so here's the five names that I will give you,
and the three names that all the teams would probably
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give you would be Bryce Young, Bijeon Robinson, and Jalen Carter.
Those three guys are probably the best players in the
draft now, players in the draft.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Now, it was talent that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
There are some questions about Jalen Carter because of off
the field stuff. Showed up to his pro day out
of shape, things that you know, I'm sure, and that's.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
A huge problem for me. Like, if you know I
wasn't the combine because of a legal issue, how are
you not busting your ass to make sure when you
go to your pro day? That's right, you're in great shape.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Right, that's right, And that's going to remove him from
a lot of teams boards altogether. Now it only takes
one to say, like that doesn't matter to us, and
we'll take you. And his talent is off the charts.
He can be a dominant force as the defensive tackle.
Jon Robinson's the best running back in the draft. He's
the best non quarterback offensive player in the draft. I
covered him a lot, love bijon. What I love about
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him Jay is that he produced at a really high
level with a bad offensive line and never said boo
about it. Catches it well out of the backfield. Almost
McCaffrey esque in terms of his ability to catch it
out of the backfield, home run hitter on the outside.
And then Bryce Young, the quarterback at Alabama, I think
I think.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Bryce is I get it.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
He's short, right, he's five ten maybe eleven, and that's
a problem.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And I'm not saying that it's not.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
But when you watch, I was gonna say, oh, man,
one man's problem is another dream. He is so smart,
really smart guy processes information incredibly fast. On the field,
he's in total control. He plays with a calm, slow heartbeat.
He's really accurate. And then when his best is needed.
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See great players. I've always said, like the mark of
a great player is that can you be great when
greatness is needed? There are guys that can fill the
stat sheet, you know when it's just like games out
of hand or but when the chips are in the
middle of the table, what do you do as a player? Well,
this guy played his best when the chips were in
the middle of the table. That's why I like him.
A couple of other guys that I would just throw
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out there. Will Anderson. Love Will Anderson, the edge player
from Alabama, edge rusher from Alabama. He's a true alpha
that would run the practice even with the whole all
the structure at Alabama. This is the type of guy
that would like stop practice, kick a guy off the field.
I mean Nick Sabanson there. He's the greatest coach in
the history of the sport. And Will Anderson would take
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it upon himself to do things like that. I love that, right,
a guy out of.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Practice for fucking around.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah, you know, maybe it's a misdassignment. That is just
a bonehead, knucklehead. I know you didn't prepare. I know
you haven't watched film. Get out of here, you know.
And so he's a standard holder, which I really love.
And now I would say, maybe the last guy is
not a can't miss. So I'm gonna I'm gonna stray
from your original question. But the most intriguing is Anthony Richardson,
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this quarterback from Florida, just because of his high end potential.
If Richardson were to ever develop into an efficient passer,
his athleticism would then make him the most dangerous player
on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
So that's a huge if.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So let's say you have a top five pick. You're
putting a huge risk into an if a guy could
become a really accurate passer, and the only way for
him to really do that is to give him a
bunch of reps. But you can't give him reps in
the first year or two.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, and that's that's a difficult proposition for Richardson because
he really only played one year, so he really only
has just under four hundred passing attempts in college. And
you know, I've done this whole long deep dive. I'm
a spreadsheet guy, so I'm such a nerd. So I've
got this spreadsheet of all the quarterbacks since Brady won
his first Super Bowl. Jay, I've got a list of
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all the quarterbacks that have won Super Bowls. And what
I did is I went back and I said, give
me cumulative what their numbers were in their college careers,
not the NFL, but their college career. So what were
they coming out just from an experience standpoint. And here's
what you see is that most guys that go on
to win Super Bowls, on average, they've started over thirty games,
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attempted close to a thousand passes, completed close to seven
hundred passes, and have some more over fifty touchdowns in
their career in college football.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So when a guy comes out.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
And he's really only played for a year and he's
attempted less than four hundred passes, it's a big if, right,
this was the whole problem that guys like I had
with Trey Lance, and that's kind of bearing out in
San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah. Absolutely, Now here's a couple of guys I like,
for can'tus love Nolan Smith? Love?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Oh yeah, Georgia, Yes, love him love.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I just think he is again you talk about that alpha,
that leader, and you know, right when Jalen Carter kind
of during his pro day was Nolan Smith who's trying
to problem up and I just love what he could
bring to the table. Christian Gonzales was like, man, he
looks perfect for a corner, right. It looked like he
was number one bona fide. Now Devin Witherspoon from Illinois,
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when you talk to teams, they're kind of he's really
kind of shot up. It's kind of split him now,
which wasn't the case about a week or a go.
And just so people understand, okay, and Joel could attest this,
so I don't do a mock draft, right because when
teams tell me, hey, Glaze, this is who we're taking,
but you can't tell people. I'm not gonna lie to
the world and put down a name. I know is
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it going there? Right? And Joel knows they tell me,
you know, days out. I can't betray anybody's trust, so
I don't do a mock drafts. But the other thing, too,
is everybody who does mock drafts, dang, these people don't
know what the fuck they're doing. They don't like these
teams don't know what the fuck they're doing, literally until
this week, and sometimes until the day over, the day before,
like everybody thinks, oh man, after the combine, these things
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are said, or after these these workouts and meeting, and
it's just not the case. So what happens is teams
go in, they start setting their board. They really don't
have it set until kind of last week, let's say,
and then they this week they put themselves through mock drafts,
so several so once they have these mock drafts, then
they start to mess with their board again. And I've
been in war rooms. I've been in there before, and
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I've seen how much, you know, things could could move around.
I'll give you a great story or two. Gang, what
the Dallas Cowboys were set to draft Sean Merriman. We're
all set, and all of a sudden I get a
call from some of the Cowboys back then said, hey,
we're kind of hearing certain things. He checked us out
this and that and said, yeah, I'll here. Sure. Oh no,
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they said, have you heard this? I said, I haven't
heard this not They said, yeah, we may be blopping
over to Marcus Ware. They said, okay. So this was
the night before the draft. And then later on that
night I said, forget what we said we're taking with
Sean Merriman. The next morning we wake up and they said,
we switched switch over to Marcus Square. So they were
all set to take Sean Merriman the day of the draft,
and then switched it the day of the draft. Obviously
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worked out pretty damn well for the Dallas Cowboys. Good
Just so you know, that's how much these teams do
flip toward the end. And like I've talked to teams
right now, talk about Jayleen Carter who told me we're
probably not going to know, we're really really going to
think about him until the night before the draft. That's
what we're going to dive in more. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, that's that's what's so fascinating. And this one's interesting
because I don't think that this is really all that
set in stone. After Carolina takes. I think we all anticipate,
anticipate them taking Bryce Young and then after that, you know,
Houston's a bit of a wild card. We're hearing that CJ.
Stroud might slide a little bit. He's a guy that
I spent a lot of time around.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Why do you think and what do you think of?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Well, those are two different things, right Like, Yeah, I
like Stroud a lot. I've been around him more than
anybody else in this whole process, right and I've done
eight of his games. I saw his third practice in
his first spring as a starter, I saw his first start,
I saw his second or last game. I've seen the
guy grow up in college. I'm very close with Ryan Day,
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right Like, I know that Ryan is a little higher
on CJ. Stroud at this point going into the draft
than he was for either Dwayne Haskins or Justin Fields.
He thinks that CJ is more ready from a schematics standpoint.
His his arm talent is undeniable. Yes, it's there and
makes every throw. He's accurate. Opposing defensive coordinators, they would
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marvel at his ability to understand what coverage you're in
and then attack it. And that's not what you're hearing
now this smoke screen being thrown up. Maybe it's a
smoke screen from Houston trying to signal to people that
they're not definitely going to take him and that that
pick might be available, why don't you come on up
and get him. So because of that, there's there's this
(16:24):
smoke about Bryce Young. Then the S two cognitive test
scores starts to get leaked out there, and now everyone's
singing themselves like, well, now you can't take CJ. Stroud
because of this cognitive test. And I'm not going to
sit here and bash the S two test. I don't
know a lot about it, to be quite frank with you,
I've never taken the S two test. I know that
it God, it's genesis in baseball. It was really a
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test for hitters to see how fast they can process
and recognize pitches. And then it moved over to the
NFL about seven years ago. Jay, and it's a series.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
First year we're hearing about it. We never heard of it?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Is it is?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
But there's been It's been going on for about seven
years in the league in this process, from the time
like the first teams adopted till now I'm hearing that
there's about half the league.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You might know.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
You'd probably know better than I do. Maybe it's more
than that. There are some people that really like it.
Here's the argument is that we've seen guys have great
scores on the S two and not do well in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
But what we haven't seen.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Is a guy not do well on the S two
and then succeed in the league, so that they feel
like it is a red flag.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Some some people do. Now here's what I'll say.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It's a test that asks a series of of It's
not a question based test, but more of a picture
based test. So for example, it might give you a
series of nine pictures that flash on the screen. Okay,
it's kind of a virtual test that you're taking, almost
like a video game. And you'll get a series of
nine pictures and then the question will come up and
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say like what was the third picture? Was the fifth picture?
What was the seventh picture? And how quickly you can
answer those is measuring your quote cognitive ability. It'll give
you a series of words like blue, red, yellow, and
the color of those words will be different than what
the color of the word is, right, so the word
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blue will be red, and how quickly, can you, you know,
touch the red button saying like that color is red.
And so it's a series of all this, and it's
measuring how quick down the middle of the seconds you react.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Okay, you know what else I think is being held
against him a little bit. We're talking about how great
his his arm is and how accurate he is, and
you know, he can make every throw no matter where
it is in a field because his receivers are so great.
You think it's getting held aainst him a little bit, like, well,
they're always the exact He's always trying to open people.
But you know it's kind of yes, they are always open, right,
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So it's not like, well he's had a thread defenders
for it, but they're almost holding that again, and they're
not taking a new cat one. Look his workouts, he's
been phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Throw He throws it as well as anybody I've heard.
I've had a couple of teams say, like his combine
workout throwing the ball was as good as they've seen.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And what is he supposed to do?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
His guys are open and then he hits them, you know,
I mean that's the offense he's in. Obviously he had
great wide receivers, Marvin Harrison Junior being one of them,
Jackson Smith and Jigba guy who's in this draft was
one of them a couple of years ago. And then
he threw to a couple of guys in his first
year as a starter who really did well in the
NFL last year, Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So yeah, that's all being held against him. I will say.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
This, this test, this S two test, is asking me
to not believe my eyes when I watch the film
and I watch him process information quickly and choose trajectories
and different velocities and do all the things that this
test is trying to tell me he doesn't do well,
and he is doing them well. So you know, am
I going to put a lot of stock into it?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
No? Do I think he should be taken with the
second overall pick.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Is it going to be Houston? I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
So let me tell you a receiver that I love.
You tell me where you have them. He loves a.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Flowers, Oh yes, I love Zay Flowers.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Competitiveness, Yes, Now it's it's a draft for wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Jay.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That is well, it's two ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
You have guys that are definitely outside receivers and then
definitely slot receivers, and Zay is one of these slot receivers,
along with guys like Jackson Smith and Jigba and Jordan Addison.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Zay is a guy that I love.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I've loved his.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Story for a long time, even when I'm just you know,
covering him from a foreign college football. He's the eleventh
of fourteen kids. Fourteen kids, right. Unfortunately, he lost his
mother back in two thousand and five.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
She passed away. He was raised largely by his dad.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
He has lost a sibling, one of his brothers, to
gun violence. Like so, he's been through through a lot.
Goes to Boston College. Wasn't recruited all that highly. But again,
I mean he's he's one of fourteen kids, right, It's
not like he's going to go to all these camps
and be highly recruited.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
He goes to Boston College.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Well, he's good enough, especially with the transfer portal and
nil name, image and likeness. He could have gone anywhere
in the country for some hefty money and he stayed
at Boston College.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
He's a loyal team. It wasn't much that's I.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Said, like he could have gone somewhere else to a
winning program and said, no, I'm going to be loyal
and stick to these guys. That for me is that's
the makeup of somebody.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And Jeff Haffley, his head coach, would say, like Zay
would be out there down two scores, blocking his butt
off on run plays, tears in his eyes after the game,
after losses every single week because he cared so much.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
That's the type of guy you want in your locker room.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Tell me somebody you love that'll go from ten to twenty,
and then I want you to tell me somebody you
love that will go from twenty to thirty one.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Okay, let's see a guy that I really love that
I think is in that ten to twenty. Is Dalton Kincaid,
the tight end from Utah. Oh he's a really good
player and he might even go higher than that. I
doubt it, but there's talk right now. Some teams really
love Dalton Kincaid. He was a basketball player mainly growing up,
and admittedly so, I think that's why people shy away
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from him in recruiting, which is why he ended up
at San Diego. Not San Diego State, but like the
you know, the Jim Harbaugh San Diego team, and then
he transferred to Utah and he was the most productive
tied end of the country last year. Good flex basketball
on grass style player. So I like him ten to
twenty he's one of my favorites. And then twenty to
like thirty one. Oh that's a great question. Okay, I
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got I got one. Brian Branch, the safety from Alabama.
He's one of my favorite players.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
In this makeup. D Patrick esque.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Absolutely really smart, not same guy, but really smart.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Played.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
They played the same position at Alabama, kind of that
star safety position. So he can cover Nickel in the slot,
he can play down if they need to against the run,
he can play the post safety. And he's smart, I
mean really smart. Some of the coaches on that staff
said to me they won't be shocked if he knows
the defense better than some of the veterans in camp,
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like right away, because he's that smart.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
He understands the game. So I'll go with Brian Branch.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
What do we think of Hendon Hooker.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I like Hendon Hooker. He's just old, I.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Mean, but it shouldn't matter. Hey, from a guy who
missed three years, right, and came back and started after
one year away. Right. I don't think the quarterback position
matters as much if you're coming in at twenty five
or twenty six, because these guys played.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
If you get ten years at him, which you can, yeah,
like it's worth it. Yeah, on this day and age.
You know the way quarterbacks are protected, You're exactly right,
it's not as big of a deal. I mean, look
at Brady didn't really become a starter until he was,
you know, a little older, if you will. So here's
the deal for Hendon Hooker. This guy was in the
same recruiting class as Tua, right, just to give you
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a sense of like this gap. Because of the COVID
year and some injury issues, it's taken him a while
to go on the field. He transfers from Virginia Tech,
goes to Tennessee, and then he's in this offense that
is kind of wide receiver centric, and he's asked to
make post snap downfield reads based on what the wide
receiver going to do because it's a choice route on
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the outside and he's throwing the ball down the field
j right, Like, these are not short routes, and yet
he set a completion percentage record at the University at Tennessee, right, Like,
that's not a small accomplishment to throw the ball that
well down the field. I really love his makeup. He's
a good leader. I think that he's a guy that
can have success. And I know he's going to have
to heal up after this ACL surgery. He tore his ACL.
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He could have won the Heisman. You know, if he
would have, when's the Heisman?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Where do we think, never toars ACL he ends up
winning the Heisman, where do we think we're talking about
him getting picked?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I would guess that we would be talking about him
fifteen to twenty now, Like is he going to sneak
into the first round?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Really? So you think he'd still go down there? I
thought if he won the Heisman, I think he'd I
don't know, I think he would have been kind of
more of a bona five Top.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Teams really like him.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I would imagine that they really like him makeup wise, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, But it's the same thing, Like, you know, Tennessee's
offense is really not conducive to the NFL, But man,
his kind of work ethic, you think he's going to
work himself into it right, And I like one of
the things he said. He said, yeah, I'm older, that
makes me more of a leader.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
That's right, more mature. Yeah, that's right, and he is
and he is a.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Couple of the guys I really like you have him
thirty and thirty one Elijah Kanci mm hmm. Maybe because
he's short, but I love him. But I think he's
again Aaron Donald. Look, I do hate that we do that,
but he is comfortable, right, He's went to the same school.
Short guy, but he's relentless, right, he is so relentless
and great work ethic, and man, I just think that
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he's gonna he's gonna come in with a chip and
I just think he's gonna recavoc.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I love the fact that he's so productive.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
You rarely get these guys on the interior of the
defensive line that can produce like Aaron Donald has produced. Right,
And so yeah, there's gonna be a lot of similarities
because of their college team and height. By the way,
and Aaron Donald's not three hundred pounds, you know, or
at least wasn't when he was coming out of pit.
This guy Cancey runs a four to sixty seven and
the forty. Like he's fast, he's lateral, and he's played
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I think he played thirty I want to say, thirty
eight games or thirty seven games at PITT and he
had thirty eight tackles for loss, so almost to tackle
for loss per game. From the interior. Like he's a
disruptive guy. First unanimous All American at pit since Aaron Donald.
I really like him. And I'm looking at the Lions.
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By the way, that second pick in the first round,
I feel like the Lions might take a swing at
if they don't take Jalen Carter.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's exactly right, which I think they Hawks might take
Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
But even that, you got to look at and go, man,
the troubles that the Lions just had will that effect
they lost James and Williams, Right, they're won from last
year and that's right, Well, does that now affect how
they go in this draft? Saying we have to make
sure we get guys we're so incredibly clean that you
can't have a problem.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, and in particular, I still think like Jalen is
a wild card. I think he fits better in Seattle
because of Pete than Detroit because of what they just
went through both teams could use, could use him, And
I just get the sense that Pete believes in himself
and his culture and that he could bring a guy
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like Jalen in and not fix him, but at least
create an environment where Jalen can flourish.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's one of the things that's great about Pete is
he does believe he can kind of resurrect everybody or
get the best version of people.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I think that was the college coaching.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
He's the ultimately optimist. Yeah. Yes, the other guy. You
have him next thirty one, and there's a lot of
edge rushers in this draft a lot. I like him
higher than thirty one. That's Will McDonald from Iowa State.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
So I'm so fascinated to see how fast edge rushers
come off the board, because I could see a scenario
where Will is not drafted in the first round. I
could see a scenario where he is drafted in the
first round depending on how fast some of these other
guys that are maybe above him get taken. Now, he's
late bloomer. He didn't really play football until he was
a junior in high school, so he's kind of lightly recruited.
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He goes to Iowa State, and every single year he
gets better and better and better. Until twenty twenty one
he has eleven and a half sacks. You know, like
the guy was dominant. Now his production dipped off just
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
This is because they had a weird fucking scheme that
didn't fit him.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
The scheme didn't really fit him. And then also Jay,
I would just say, similar to Will Anderson, everybody focused
their entire protection plan on Will McDonald, who faced Iowa
State very similar to Alabama. Why did Will Anderson's production
go down? Well, they rotated him a little bit more.
His percentage of pressures stayed high in terms of the
snaps he was on the field, but the protection plan
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was generally focused on him from the opponent.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Anybody else you want to talk about before we shift
to your story.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Oh man, that's a great I mean there's always so
many guys, right.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And there'll be guys that Yeah, they start going open
up this again. I can't stress this enough that people
were listening these next seventy two hours.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Guy move dramatically, Yeah, dramatically. Here's one my last one,
one of my favorites. Zach Sharboney, the running back at UCLA, Yes,
love Zach sharbonay. He's not gonna get taken in the
first round. He's a grown man. He'll get selected on
Day two, second or third round, I think. And he's
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going to make somebody better.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
He is.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
He's a quiet guy, but a strong leader. Transferred from
Michigan back to his hometown. He played at Oaks Christian
and High School up in the valley and transferred back
YEP in California and transferred back to play at UCLA
in large part because his sister, Bella has william Syndrome,
which is a developmental disorder, but she is high energy,
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special needs and Zach wanted to be around her, near
her and help her. And so he comes back to UCLA.
After leading the team in rushing as a true freshman
for the Michigan Wolverines, come to the UCLA. He's got
back to back thousand yard seasons. He's just a man
like understands responsibility. He's tough, he's big, he's physical, he's
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good on the field.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I love Zach sharpaannak.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Is there anybody in the top ten that you know
you think will go top ten? You're like, eh, I
wouldn't touch him, or I'm just not as high on
him as everybody else.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I mean, for me, that's Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
If I'm a decision maker, I would be one of
the guys that didn't have Jalen Carter on the board.
Juice is not worth the squeeze to me, So that
would be it. Other than that, Like, there's a lot
of really good, good leaders. Good player you brought up.
Nolan Smith, I love him, Michael Meher the tight end,
I love him, Jordan Addison, I love it. Like there's
a lot of guys that I really like in this draft.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I think it's a good draft too. I think, man,
the value in this draft in the second round is phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Yeah, fantastic, Which is why I think once we get
to like fifteen j sixteen, seventeen, you're gonna I think
teams are going to use the entire clock trying to
trade out at the same.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Right though, again, because there's certain guys that, oh man,
I'll kind of fall in love with these guys. We
have him in the top fifteen, and I think you'll
start seeing guys try to move up if during the
all of a sudden, those players are down in the
twenties that'll be it. I think you have a lot
of action, all right. So, you know, a lot of
people don't know about Joel. I do. So the other
thing we do when Joel comes out and we'll sit
(31:20):
in the hotel room, I'll make all my phone calls
and he'll make his calls. Is I usually crack open
a bottle of wine. And Joel never ever, ever, ever,
ever partook. And one day I said, hey, do you
and he said no, I'm a sober guy. I said, really,
why so? And when I've told other people about it,
because you're cool to be telling him, they're shocked about it. So,
you know, again, this is your story. It is a
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mental health podcast. Also, this is part of it. So
I want you to tell your story how you want
it told.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Let me give you the shortest version and then I'll
go in and get back to the shortest version. Is
that I am sober because I was way too good
at drinking. So the first steps, as anyone will say say,
is recognizing and realizing that you have a problem. And
so when I you know, think back on my story,
(32:07):
you know, the first domino for me was recognizing that
I was an alcoholic, you know, and putting that label
on it. So let me go back to one of
the things that we first talked about, which was the
fact that I played minor league baseball and I wasn't
ready or mature enough for that jay because I was
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all of a sudden given a good signing bonus, and
then all of a sudden, two weeks after my high
school graduation, I'm living in a hotel in Phoenix, playing
minor league baseball with all the freedom in the world.
There are not the structures of college athletics at that point.
It's like van leaves at six am. You know, early
work is at six forty five, and other than that,
(32:49):
it's like do whatever you want. Well, that environment was
not conducive for me, and when you throw onto that
that for the first time in my life, I started
to struggle as an apple fleet.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right, all of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I had been this very good and successful high school
athlete and my and you know, youth athlete, and then
all of.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
A sudden, you get out there with a wood bat.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Guys are throwing the ball harder, breaking balls are breaking harder,
and I'm not hitting five hundred anymore. Now I'm struggling
to hit two hundred or two fifty. And so my
identity at that point, which was wrapped up in my
success as an athlete, was being challenged. I numbed that
pain with alcohol.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Did you drink in high school? Did you start?
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I did in high school, and and it became a
bigger issue as I got later into high school. But
then definitely in minor league baseball is when it became
a big issue, and it started to be rather than
just in you know, in high school, I would I
would do it socially on the weekends and kind of
with your buddies and at parties. And then all of
a sudden it turned into something that became more of
(33:50):
a coping mechanism and a numbing mechanism. And that's the
transition that ended up, you know, sending me in a
pretty poor direction for a number of years. And so
what ends up happening, Jay, in my story is that,
you know, I end up leaving baseball in part because
of the amount I'm drinking. I try to curb it.
I go back and I start to play football. It's
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and it's pretty good for a good stretch. Now It's
not that I was totally sober, but it wasn't controlling me,
and I wasn't using as a coping mechanism. I ended
up meeting my wife in college and we end up
getting married, and then what ends up happening is very
similar to the instance when I started losing my identity
in minor league baseball. Early is football ends, and now
(34:35):
I'm released from the Detroit Lions after being released from
the Saints. And now I'm released from the Lions, and
now I'm sitting at home and now, for the first
time in my life, I'm just not an athlete at.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
All, and no structure for the first time.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
And I have no structure for the first time, and
I was totally lost. And it was a dark, dark
moment in my life. This And you know, I grew
up inside of a Christian home and we had been
to church, you know, almost every Sunday of my life
(35:07):
up until I went to minor league baseball, and it
never really took root, you know, And so Jay, I
didn't understand how to have my identity in something bigger
than one myself or the things that I was doing.
And so all of a sudden, I was just covered
in this dome of darkness.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I didn't know who I was. I didn't know how
to define myself. I didn't know how to define myself
as successful.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
I was just incredibly depressed, and that coping mechanism came
right back like a freight train. And the only way
that I could feel good or happy was to numb
myself with alcohol. And so at that moment I would
become gregarious again in the life of the party, and
I would think that people liked that version of me
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versus the version of me that was just kind of
depressed and aimless in terms of what I was going on.
So I was marred and depression and never addressed it,
and so it became really the only area of my
marriage with Sarah that was contentious was the fact that
I would just continue to drink, you know, and continue
(36:14):
to drink. She hated it, obviously, and it wasn't until
you know, basically seven years into the marriage then and
about six years after I'm done playing football where we
get pregnant with our first kid, and so Henry is
on the way, and jay I had one of those
moments where you've got to hit rock bottom, and she
(36:37):
was in pharmaceutical sales at the time. It's a little
bit hard to tell a story, but I'm going to
do it because I love you and I love what
you do.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
For people on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I'm choked up listen to it, man, because this is
this is what you know brotherhoods are. This is what
bonds are, man. And also for us to be of
service is what it's about, right. This gets us through
that stuff. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
So she had a dinner with some doctors and I
was doing local radio, trying to make it in this business,
and I had an afternoon show at the time, and
so I needed to get dinner on my own. Not
really thinking anything of it, I just decided to stop
at a local restaurant. I think it was a Flemings.
(37:17):
It was a Flemings like a steakhouse, and there's Flemmings
kind of all over and it was happy hours still
at the time, and I thought to myself, like, man,
I'll just get like a burger. It's not like we
had a lot of money, right, so I'm not trying
to go in there for a steak or anything. I
go in there for a burger that like the happy
hour burger. At the bar, there was someone there that
had a martini and it looked really good, this guy
(37:40):
at the end of the bar, and I was like, well,
that looks really good. I'm going to have one of those.
And my problem was is that I didn't have a
governor because I had used alcohol to numb and to cope.
Once I started to drink, there was no drunk that
was drunk enough because that's what I felt like.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Mate gave me meaning and happiness.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
And so that martini turned into you know, four hours
and well over a two hundred dollars bill alone out
of Flemings and driving myself home and she walked in
the door, my wife pregnant with our first child, and
looked at me and began to cry, and you know,
(38:25):
she said, either this is your last time or someone
else is going to raise this boy. WHOA So I
haven't touched it since.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Wow, Really, that is amazing. That is amazing on so
many levels. A your inner strength to stop because it's
it's hard, right, but your love for her and for
your boy is That's one of the most beautiful things
anybody's ever said on the show. That's incredible. I hope
you're proud of yourself for that, and.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Well, absolutely, I mean it's it's tough though, you know,
like I wish they never came to that. So it's
tough to take pride into some thing that is painful.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, But making decisions like that, man, that are selfless,
it's people.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
It's certainly the best decision other than marrying her, other
than accepting Jesus as my savior, like those are the
most important, But that one is very easily one of
the best decisions that I've ever made. It hasn't been easy,
you know. It's not like I just woke up and
I was just like, hey, you know, this is great.
It took a lot of time, and what ended up happening, Jay,
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is that I had to then do the work that
I think some are are unwilling to do on the
mental health side, because again I'll go back to it
was a coping mechanism and a numbing mechanism that I
thought that I needed because I wouldn't lean in and
do the work to actually focus on whether it was
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my mental health, the depression that I was suffering, my identity,
Where is my identity?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Where do I want my identity?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
How?
Speaker 4 (39:58):
You know, how am I going to go about this life?
You know, without this coping mechanism, and so that's when
I started to try to really do and lean into
the hard work on the on the mental side. How
long have you been sober before, So it'll be twelve
years at the start of the football season, so eleven
and a half.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Does it get easier as time goes on?
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Certainly, I mean it certainly has gotten a lot easier.
I would say initially they were pretty drastic steps, but
and I continue to do so. So, for instance, and
you never did this to me, which I always thought
was you never just would like push, you know, and
say like, hey, you know, here's a drink.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
But I'm never going to do that through a sober personnel. Well,
well absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
And I'm not saying but even when you didn't know,
So anytime I was ever offered or am offered a drink,
I don't say no.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I say I don't drink.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
And that was a big like flag, yeah, boundaries and
setting the boundaries. And then if people ask me why
don't you drink? I told them right away I used
to have a problem, rather than no, thanks, I'm good,
which leaves this question open ended forever. So, for instance,
the crew that I work with on college football they
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know now they feel like they're also in on it,
Like if they ever saw me with.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
A cocktail, they would tackle me, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So those are the.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Guardrails and boundaries that I've tried to set up, is
to be open and honest. When people ask me, do
you want to drink? And I say no, no, I
don't because I don't drink.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
This version of you. I hope you realize too, Like
I can't picture you being the guy with the lampshade
on your head on top of the bar, being a
jog off. This is the only version. This is the
version that fits you and suits you.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Well, they thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
He Joel is the nicest, kindest, best guy in our business,
like man, and everybody who comes across him will say
it's unanimous and he's such a speed order for guys
who you are.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Well, thank you. That's really nice of you to say.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
And I'll be honest, like it's hard to walk through
that story, but I have so much respect for you
and what you're doing with this show right that that
I thought to myself, this, it's been long enough, right,
like your your scars are your scars, and to avoid
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it because it's uncomfortable for me is selfish and if
even that story that I told helps one person, then
it's then it's worth it.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
And I don't care. You know, there are people, Jay,
and I know you know this, that want to tear people.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Down in this world, and they want to come up
and they'll come up to me and you're nothing but
an alcoholic and I'm like, you know what that that
doesn't bother me anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
That happens, right, It happens on whether it's social media. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
I mean college fans get very very heated, jay, very heated,
very tribal in the college world. But I would just say, like,
if there's one person that identifies with that moment and
can't avoid a mistake, then it's worth it.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Then it's worth it.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
I want to just one thing you said. You said,
our scars are our scars, and I just want to
shift out a little bit. Our scars are our currency.
What we've overcome, the dark tunnels that we go through
it come out to the other side. That's what makes
us strong, that's what makes us who the fuck we are.
That's what makes us gangsters. And every time I've walked
(43:32):
in a room, I don't brag about my successes to myself,
Like I don't walk in there and get confidence for
my successes. I get confidence from my scars and the
things I've been through. Yeah, so I want you to
shift that narrative to for you, your scars are your currency, man,
Yeah right, this is what makes you different than everybody.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Else, totally and in particular, like knowing that I've done
the work and have a strong identity centered in Jesus Christ.
Now you know, like I'm so confident in that Jay
and for me, that carries my whole life. I don't
get up, I don't wake up and go about a
single day without having a time to pray, journal, read
(44:12):
the word, and just get totally centered on what I
know to be right and true.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Give me your big break in this business because I
don't know that.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Yeah, that's a that's a good question. So it all
went pretty fast. I was doing after I get released
from the Lions. During that kind of dark, dark period,
I was asked to do some regional high school football
games on Fox Sports Rocky Mountain just by a kind
of a local, you know, and and I say, okay,
I'll do it, but I you know, I was also
an investment banker. So I use my economics degree and
(44:44):
I'm going into investment banking. I'm working for a small
rut in the in the real estate industry at the
time as well. This is two thousand and six, and
the broadcasting side, you know, it's going fine, and they
are like, yeah, I would keep giving you gigs, and
they're like, you're really good at this, you should do more.
And I'm like, that's fine, but I have a real job. Well,
then the real estate market tanks and I lose my
job as an investment banker and I'm literally just unemployed.
(45:06):
And the day I lost my job was the same
day that my wife got that pharmaceutical sales job that
I was telling you about. And that was definitely, you know,
a sign that she's like, hey, let's try it. Let's
go for this broadcasting thing.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
You can do it.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
I know you can. So I ended up getting a local, small,
local radio show. Continue to do just small, you know,
local and regional, maybe college football studio here and there, but.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
The big break.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
To answer your question, I continued to badger the decision
makers to I love doing games. I love doing games,
and so they put me on a couple of college
football games on the B level regional package of the
Big Twelve, and I was just doing a basically a
random Big Twelve game, basically. I think it was two
thousand and nine or ten when Texas Tech was playing
at home against Kansas State. And this is under the
(45:54):
Fox umbrella for FSN Southwest at the time, and I
was doing the game, and lo and behold, I did
not know this, but there was a younger but recently
elevated president of Fox Sports named Eric Shanks in the
executive control room in LA watching that game on a
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screen in front of him, and he's told me that
I made a comment on a kickoff about how a
returner's best attribute is decisiveness, and he said I had
never heard that, and I said, who's calling this game?
And by the next year I had a national package,
a B package for Fox as they got into college football,
and then within two years I had been hosting shows
(46:39):
and they brought me to LA to work as a
host in a college football analyst and kind of the
rest is history.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
And by the way, the guy is talking about Eric Shanks,
who's our boss at Fox, and Joel and I were
talking about mental health. People always been like, weren't you
afraid when I came out with my book I'm Breakable.
How I turned my depression and anxiety and the motivation
you can too. Eric said, I would love for you
to go down to the USFL and talk to all
those players and coaches down there, and I'll buy books
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for every one of them. And I would also love
for you to do a company wide speech and will
zoom it to everybody Fox also so they could feel
included to anybody who's struggling and going through mental health issues.
So he's kind of changed both our lives there and
it's and I've told everybody, you know, kind of lean
into your teammates, and that means leaning your co workers,
(47:27):
and at least my experience at work, no one has
not only they're not shunning me. They've given me a
bigger platform to help others at Fox, which was a
scary thing of you know, oh man, are they going
to go, Man, this guy's anxiety attacks every time he
comes on Fox. Well, maybe you shouldn't be doing this,
you know. Instead, that's not the way.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
They went well, and you know, and I know that
you talk about it in your book, but like when
you find that team man, lean in, and in particular
those that wish and hope and will work for the
best in your life, you know, versus the that won't
and will tear and finding those people are really special.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
You've certainly been one of those in my life.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Like I said, the only regret is that I wish
we could work together more. But this is kind of
the moment and time in the schedule that we get
to do this.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
And you guys got to understand, I've been doing this now.
This my first draft is ninety one, but I've been,
you know, covering the NFL since ninety five or ninety six,
really on top of the draft for years and years
and years. I don't let anybody hear anything. And Joel
will come in there and he'll sit there and man,
we'll share everything. And I'm a lone wolf. I'm not
ESPN where there's eighty people doing this stuff or NFL
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Network where they all work together. I've always been a
lone wolf. It's just kind of me. And then you know,
when I met Joel, I'm like, man, this is I
finally have somebody else to lean into on stuff. And
it's been fantastic. And I'll take Joel's list, and I'll
bring it to head coaches and gms with me saying, hey,
this is this is not my list, It's Joel Platz,
That's who I go off of, and they'll kind of
look at him and be like, Achel's good. Wow, well right,
(48:59):
Joel got good stuff. And yeah we won't we won't
go over who those guys are. But it's you.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
You.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
You never cease to impress uh these guys with your knowledge.
And you talk about having a great teammates man, and
you are an amazing teammates of b Thank you. Proud
of you for coming on here and using this platform
to help others. Man, that's absolutely You're a rock star. Brother,
Joe Klatt, good luck this week doing the draft for
uh not with me, which sucks, so okay, I'm still
going to wish you luck.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
Thank you for this platform. Your platform is amazing. I
absolutely appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Thank you, Bud.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Love you, brother,
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer.
I'm Jay Glazer, and let's call this the NFL Draft
edition of Unbreakable and obviously the draft this week. And
who better to have on than my dude from Fox
Sports working for the NFL network this week as well,
Joe Klatt and Joel's on here for a couple of reasons.
One to give us our draft information, but number two,
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he has a story that most people don't know. Joel
lives a sober life and the world doesn't know it,
and I think it surprises people want to tell them that.
But he's going to talk to us about that as well.
So Joe Clatt, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Brother man.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I'm so happy to be here, so good to be
with you, man, There's no doubt so.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
And this is, by the way, so little background.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Jay and I don't get to work a lot together,
even though we're the kind of the under the same roof.
This is the week that we get to like really
dive in and work together, which is always exciting for me.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And for years you and I hosted the first Round
of Fox Sports Radio until you kind of better deal
with us for NFL network. Let's just call it out.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
That's true. I ge't lie about it.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
But we still get to hash it out and go
through all of our pre draft process. The only downside
about getting to do what I do now, which is
like go and work on television on the set, is
that I don't get to see Jay basically, I guess,
lack of a better term, like orchestrating the first round.
I mean you, Jay has all the information five minutes
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before anybody else does. And to sit there next to
him and to see that and to see the connections
and everything going on with the first round, that's what
I miss.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, you know, that's the thing look for people out there,
you know, And I write it in my book I'm Breakable.
I talk about relationships, right, everything's relationship based. These guys
literally tell me who they're going to take days out
or the day or you know, ten minutes out or whatever.
And I don't took picks, right, we don't. I don't
do that because I realized the fans don't like that.
But Joe will sit in the room. We have it down.
Joe will sit in the room with me, and I'll
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talk on the phone. And I asked, every time a
GM or head coach calls, I have the same intro,
right do I normally.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Say, well, basically, just who do you like?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You know, it's not really like hey, fucko me do that.
And the first time I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I was like it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I was like, well, I no, exam fuck intro. I
didn't know you if I wanted to say it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Here Now we do it, and you're like, you're talking
to these guys. Yes, absolutely, It just got to be real,
got to be authentic. So we've been doing this for
a long time. And then look, people may also so
Joel Klatt, what makes him such a college football draft group?
Tell us your background there at Colorado?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Well, so my background's a little bit unique in the
sense that out of high school I actually played baseball
and it was my better and so I was drafted
jay to play minor league baseball and decided to go
do that Santygo Padres and went and did that for
about three seasons and it was not going well, and
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for reasons that I'll talk about later actually when we
talk about just like the mental health aspect, the alcoholism
I dealt with. And so I decided, like, man, I
gotta do something. I gotta change my life. And so
I made a life decision, not a sports decision, and
went back and said I need to go get a degree.
Decided to go back to the University of Colorado. Only
then did I decided, like, I guess I'll walk on
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because I have eligibility. I played football in high school,
you know that would be cool. And then all of
a sudden, loan and behold, found myself, you know, starting
for three years. And so everything from that point on
in my life has been icing on the cake. And really,
to be honest with you, I think it's the it's
the reward for good decisions, to be honest, you know.
And so then to get into the draft.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So then I started way.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But it's pretty amazing he took off three years, walked
on and it took you what one year then to
start for the next three.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I started as a sophomore.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's unreal.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So get this.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
My dad was my high school football coach and he's
a former Marine right, like he was in Vietnam. He
was the first lieutenant of our artillery division. Wow and yes.
And so he made it known like you're not going
to start at quarterback until you're a senior. And I'd
be like, well, I'm like really, like come on, you know,
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like I would like to get recruited. And he's just like, sorry,
I don't know what to tell you, Like, I'm not
going to play you over anybody that's older.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So I started.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I started one year of high school football as a
quarterback and three years as a quarterback in college. So
I started more at Colorado than I did at Pomona
High School.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
In our back at Colorado.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
For you ever go back and say, Dad, you really
screw this?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes, all the time, and he always says to Jay,
he says the same thing.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
He's like, well it worked out for you, didn't it.
And I'm like, you're right, all right, you're right.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You were part of a bounty, yes, right, yes.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
You know if you go back to early two thousands,
two thousand and two, two thousand and three, four two
thousand and five, we played University of Miami in a
non conference game at their place in September of five.
And this was, by the way, it was fairly close
to when Katrino was coming in the Gulf that fall
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of five. But I digress. What ends up happening is
we play Miami. Years later, there's an article on Yahoo
News talking about bounty gate. You know how Nevin Shapiro,
the booster at the University of Miami was paying guys
like John Beeson and Brandon Meriweather and all these guys
bounties on opponent's head and lo and behold in the
(05:41):
article is like Joel Klatt, quarterback in Colorado. You know,
John Beeson basically knocked him out of the game. He
got five hundred dollars. And I was like, yes, I
made it like I had a bounty. But then Jay,
I was so proud, right, I was so proud. But
here's the worst part about it is that later in
the article I realized that Chris Ricks, the Floor's state quarterback,
had a thousand dollars bounty.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
So I'm like, I didn't even have the best bounty.
So it like brought me down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, you're pissed at that a bounty on you? Did?
They knock you out out?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Almost yes.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I mean, listen, I got concussed in that game. I
ended up getting a turf toe injury in that game.
And then there's this Actually you can google this, by
the way, just google Klatt gets blown up and it's
it's the play against Miami in which John Beeson basically
supplexes me. I'm chasing down a guy who had recovered
a fumble and I'm trying to chase him down and
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tackle him before he scores. And I look back like
this and Beeson just like lifts me up from under
my arm, and all of a sudden, I'm on his
shoulder and then I'm hitting the ground and rolling. And
Shapiro paid him five hundred bucks for that.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Oh my god. Did you ever talk to John Beson.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I've never talked to him about it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Really good, dude, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I'm hey. Good for him. I'm like, I wish you
would have gotten collected several times.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
That's the credit, right. Let's dive it in the draft
little bit here before we go to some more of
your story. Give me the five players that you think
or can't miss.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Oh that's a good, good question. Let me start with this.
I think it's a good draft. Not a great draft.
That's what I started, you know when we first talked
about that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Do you think it's not great because the nil more
people are players decide now to stay in because they
get paid in college instead of to.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Get paid not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I actually think it's it's more just they got caught
in a cycle where you had Let's put it this way,
there's guys that have to stay in college football this
year that would all be the best player at their
position in miss Harrison Williams.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Even the guy like Drake May the quarterback in North Carolina,
Brock Bauers the tight end at Georgia, And so that
makes it, you know, just the depth isn't quite there.
So there's probably fifteen to eighteen guys that are like
true bona fide first round guys. But I do think
that there are five guys that are stars in this draft.
And so here's the five names that I will give you,
and the three names that all the teams would probably
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give you would be Bryce Young, Bijeon Robinson, and Jalen Carter.
Those three guys are probably the best players in the
draft now, players in the draft.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Now, it was talent that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
There are some questions about Jalen Carter because of off
the field stuff. Showed up to his pro day out
of shape, things that you know, I'm sure, and that's.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
A huge problem for me. Like, if you know I
wasn't the combine because of a legal issue, how are
you not busting your ass to make sure when you
go to your pro day? That's right, you're in great shape.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Right, that's right, And that's going to remove him from
a lot of teams boards altogether. Now it only takes
one to say, like that doesn't matter to us, and
we'll take you. And his talent is off the charts.
He can be a dominant force as the defensive tackle.
Jon Robinson's the best running back in the draft. He's
the best non quarterback offensive player in the draft. I
covered him a lot, love bijon. What I love about
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him Jay is that he produced at a really high
level with a bad offensive line and never said boo
about it. Catches it well out of the backfield. Almost
McCaffrey esque in terms of his ability to catch it
out of the backfield, home run hitter on the outside.
And then Bryce Young, the quarterback at Alabama, I think
I think.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Bryce is I get it.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
He's short, right, he's five ten maybe eleven, and that's
a problem.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And I'm not saying that it's not.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
But when you watch, I was gonna say, oh, man,
one man's problem is another dream. He is so smart,
really smart guy processes information incredibly fast. On the field,
he's in total control. He plays with a calm, slow heartbeat.
He's really accurate. And then when his best is needed.
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See great players. I've always said, like the mark of
a great player is that can you be great when
greatness is needed? There are guys that can fill the
stat sheet, you know when it's just like games out
of hand or but when the chips are in the
middle of the table, what do you do as a player? Well,
this guy played his best when the chips were in
the middle of the table. That's why I like him.
A couple of other guys that I would just throw
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out there. Will Anderson. Love Will Anderson, the edge player
from Alabama, edge rusher from Alabama. He's a true alpha
that would run the practice even with the whole all
the structure at Alabama. This is the type of guy
that would like stop practice, kick a guy off the field.
I mean Nick Sabanson there. He's the greatest coach in
the history of the sport. And Will Anderson would take
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it upon himself to do things like that. I love that, right,
a guy out of.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Practice for fucking around.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah, you know, maybe it's a misdassignment. That is just
a bonehead, knucklehead. I know you didn't prepare. I know
you haven't watched film. Get out of here, you know.
And so he's a standard holder, which I really love.
And now I would say, maybe the last guy is
not a can't miss. So I'm gonna I'm gonna stray
from your original question. But the most intriguing is Anthony Richardson,
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this quarterback from Florida, just because of his high end potential.
If Richardson were to ever develop into an efficient passer,
his athleticism would then make him the most dangerous player
on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
So that's a huge if.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So let's say you have a top five pick. You're
putting a huge risk into an if a guy could
become a really accurate passer, and the only way for
him to really do that is to give him a
bunch of reps. But you can't give him reps in
the first year or two.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, and that's that's a difficult proposition for Richardson because
he really only played one year, so he really only
has just under four hundred passing attempts in college. And
you know, I've done this whole long deep dive. I'm
a spreadsheet guy, so I'm such a nerd. So I've
got this spreadsheet of all the quarterbacks since Brady won
his first Super Bowl. Jay, I've got a list of
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all the quarterbacks that have won Super Bowls. And what
I did is I went back and I said, give
me cumulative what their numbers were in their college careers,
not the NFL, but their college career. So what were
they coming out just from an experience standpoint. And here's
what you see is that most guys that go on
to win Super Bowls, on average, they've started over thirty games,
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attempted close to a thousand passes, completed close to seven
hundred passes, and have some more over fifty touchdowns in
their career in college football.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So when a guy comes out.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
And he's really only played for a year and he's
attempted less than four hundred passes, it's a big if, right,
this was the whole problem that guys like I had
with Trey Lance, and that's kind of bearing out in
San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah. Absolutely, Now here's a couple of guys I like,
for can'tus love Nolan Smith? Love?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Oh yeah, Georgia, Yes, love him love.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I just think he is again you talk about that alpha,
that leader, and you know, right when Jalen Carter kind
of during his pro day was Nolan Smith who's trying
to problem up and I just love what he could
bring to the table. Christian Gonzales was like, man, he
looks perfect for a corner, right. It looked like he
was number one bona fide. Now Devin Witherspoon from Illinois,
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when you talk to teams, they're kind of he's really
kind of shot up. It's kind of split him now,
which wasn't the case about a week or a go.
And just so people understand, okay, and Joel could attest this,
so I don't do a mock draft, right because when
teams tell me, hey, Glaze, this is who we're taking,
but you can't tell people. I'm not gonna lie to
the world and put down a name. I know is
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it going there? Right? And Joel knows they tell me,
you know, days out. I can't betray anybody's trust, so
I don't do a mock drafts. But the other thing, too,
is everybody who does mock drafts, dang, these people don't
know what the fuck they're doing. They don't like these
teams don't know what the fuck they're doing, literally until
this week, and sometimes until the day over, the day before,
like everybody thinks, oh man, after the combine, these things
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are said, or after these these workouts and meeting, and
it's just not the case. So what happens is teams
go in, they start setting their board. They really don't
have it set until kind of last week, let's say,
and then they this week they put themselves through mock drafts,
so several so once they have these mock drafts, then
they start to mess with their board again. And I've
been in war rooms. I've been in there before, and
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I've seen how much, you know, things could could move around.
I'll give you a great story or two. Gang, what
the Dallas Cowboys were set to draft Sean Merriman. We're
all set, and all of a sudden I get a
call from some of the Cowboys back then said, hey,
we're kind of hearing certain things. He checked us out
this and that and said, yeah, I'll here. Sure. Oh no,
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they said, have you heard this? I said, I haven't
heard this not They said, yeah, we may be blopping
over to Marcus Ware. They said, okay. So this was
the night before the draft. And then later on that
night I said, forget what we said we're taking with
Sean Merriman. The next morning we wake up and they said,
we switched switch over to Marcus Square. So they were
all set to take Sean Merriman the day of the draft,
and then switched it the day of the draft. Obviously
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worked out pretty damn well for the Dallas Cowboys. Good
Just so you know, that's how much these teams do
flip toward the end. And like I've talked to teams
right now, talk about Jayleen Carter who told me we're
probably not going to know, we're really really going to
think about him until the night before the draft. That's
what we're going to dive in more. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, that's that's what's so fascinating. And this one's interesting
because I don't think that this is really all that
set in stone. After Carolina takes. I think we all anticipate,
anticipate them taking Bryce Young and then after that, you know,
Houston's a bit of a wild card. We're hearing that CJ.
Stroud might slide a little bit. He's a guy that
I spent a lot of time around.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Why do you think and what do you think of?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Well, those are two different things, right Like, Yeah, I
like Stroud a lot. I've been around him more than
anybody else in this whole process, right and I've done
eight of his games. I saw his third practice in
his first spring as a starter, I saw his first start,
I saw his second or last game. I've seen the
guy grow up in college. I'm very close with Ryan Day,
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right Like, I know that Ryan is a little higher
on CJ. Stroud at this point going into the draft
than he was for either Dwayne Haskins or Justin Fields.
He thinks that CJ is more ready from a schematics standpoint.
His his arm talent is undeniable. Yes, it's there and
makes every throw. He's accurate. Opposing defensive coordinators, they would
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marvel at his ability to understand what coverage you're in
and then attack it. And that's not what you're hearing
now this smoke screen being thrown up. Maybe it's a
smoke screen from Houston trying to signal to people that
they're not definitely going to take him and that that
pick might be available, why don't you come on up
and get him. So because of that, there's there's this
(16:24):
smoke about Bryce Young. Then the S two cognitive test
scores starts to get leaked out there, and now everyone's
singing themselves like, well, now you can't take CJ. Stroud
because of this cognitive test. And I'm not going to
sit here and bash the S two test. I don't
know a lot about it, to be quite frank with you,
I've never taken the S two test. I know that
it God, it's genesis in baseball. It was really a
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test for hitters to see how fast they can process
and recognize pitches. And then it moved over to the
NFL about seven years ago. Jay, and it's a series.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
First year we're hearing about it. We never heard of it?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Is it is?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
But there's been It's been going on for about seven
years in the league in this process, from the time
like the first teams adopted till now I'm hearing that
there's about half the league.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You might know.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
You'd probably know better than I do. Maybe it's more
than that. There are some people that really like it.
Here's the argument is that we've seen guys have great
scores on the S two and not do well in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
But what we haven't seen.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Is a guy not do well on the S two
and then succeed in the league, so that they feel
like it is a red flag.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Some some people do. Now here's what I'll say.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It's a test that asks a series of of It's
not a question based test, but more of a picture
based test. So for example, it might give you a
series of nine pictures that flash on the screen. Okay,
it's kind of a virtual test that you're taking, almost
like a video game. And you'll get a series of
nine pictures and then the question will come up and
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say like what was the third picture? Was the fifth picture?
What was the seventh picture? And how quickly you can
answer those is measuring your quote cognitive ability. It'll give
you a series of words like blue, red, yellow, and
the color of those words will be different than what
the color of the word is, right, so the word
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blue will be red, and how quickly, can you, you know,
touch the red button saying like that color is red.
And so it's a series of all this, and it's
measuring how quick down the middle of the seconds you react.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Okay, you know what else I think is being held
against him a little bit. We're talking about how great
his his arm is and how accurate he is, and
you know, he can make every throw no matter where
it is in a field because his receivers are so great.
You think it's getting held aainst him a little bit, like, well,
they're always the exact He's always trying to open people.
But you know it's kind of yes, they are always open, right,
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So it's not like, well he's had a thread defenders
for it, but they're almost holding that again, and they're
not taking a new cat one. Look his workouts, he's
been phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Throw He throws it as well as anybody I've heard.
I've had a couple of teams say, like his combine
workout throwing the ball was as good as they've seen.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And what is he supposed to do?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
His guys are open and then he hits them, you know,
I mean that's the offense he's in. Obviously he had
great wide receivers, Marvin Harrison Junior being one of them,
Jackson Smith and Jigba guy who's in this draft was
one of them a couple of years ago. And then
he threw to a couple of guys in his first
year as a starter who really did well in the
NFL last year, Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So yeah, that's all being held against him. I will say.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
This, this test, this S two test, is asking me
to not believe my eyes when I watch the film
and I watch him process information quickly and choose trajectories
and different velocities and do all the things that this
test is trying to tell me he doesn't do well,
and he is doing them well. So you know, am
I going to put a lot of stock into it?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
No? Do I think he should be taken with the
second overall pick.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Is it going to be Houston? I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
So let me tell you a receiver that I love.
You tell me where you have them. He loves a.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Flowers, Oh yes, I love Zay Flowers.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Competitiveness, Yes, Now it's it's a draft for wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Jay.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That is well, it's two ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
You have guys that are definitely outside receivers and then
definitely slot receivers, and Zay is one of these slot receivers,
along with guys like Jackson Smith and Jigba and Jordan Addison.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Zay is a guy that I love.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I've loved his.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Story for a long time, even when I'm just you know,
covering him from a foreign college football. He's the eleventh
of fourteen kids. Fourteen kids, right. Unfortunately, he lost his
mother back in two thousand and five.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
She passed away. He was raised largely by his dad.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
He has lost a sibling, one of his brothers, to
gun violence. Like so, he's been through through a lot.
Goes to Boston College. Wasn't recruited all that highly. But again,
I mean he's he's one of fourteen kids, right, It's
not like he's going to go to all these camps
and be highly recruited.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
He goes to Boston College.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Well, he's good enough, especially with the transfer portal and
nil name, image and likeness. He could have gone anywhere
in the country for some hefty money and he stayed
at Boston College.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
He's a loyal team. It wasn't much that's I.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Said, like he could have gone somewhere else to a
winning program and said, no, I'm going to be loyal
and stick to these guys. That for me is that's
the makeup of somebody.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And Jeff Haffley, his head coach, would say, like Zay
would be out there down two scores, blocking his butt
off on run plays, tears in his eyes after the game,
after losses every single week because he cared so much.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
That's the type of guy you want in your locker room.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Tell me somebody you love that'll go from ten to twenty,
and then I want you to tell me somebody you
love that will go from twenty to thirty one.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Okay, let's see a guy that I really love that
I think is in that ten to twenty. Is Dalton Kincaid,
the tight end from Utah. Oh he's a really good
player and he might even go higher than that. I
doubt it, but there's talk right now. Some teams really
love Dalton Kincaid. He was a basketball player mainly growing up,
and admittedly so, I think that's why people shy away
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from him in recruiting, which is why he ended up
at San Diego. Not San Diego State, but like the
you know, the Jim Harbaugh San Diego team, and then
he transferred to Utah and he was the most productive
tied end of the country last year. Good flex basketball
on grass style player. So I like him ten to
twenty he's one of my favorites. And then twenty to
like thirty one. Oh that's a great question. Okay, I
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got I got one. Brian Branch, the safety from Alabama.
He's one of my favorite players.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
In this makeup. D Patrick esque.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Absolutely really smart, not same guy, but really smart.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Played.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
They played the same position at Alabama, kind of that
star safety position. So he can cover Nickel in the slot,
he can play down if they need to against the run,
he can play the post safety. And he's smart, I
mean really smart. Some of the coaches on that staff
said to me they won't be shocked if he knows
the defense better than some of the veterans in camp,
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like right away, because he's that smart.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
He understands the game. So I'll go with Brian Branch.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
What do we think of Hendon Hooker.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I like Hendon Hooker. He's just old, I.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Mean, but it shouldn't matter. Hey, from a guy who
missed three years, right, and came back and started after
one year away. Right. I don't think the quarterback position
matters as much if you're coming in at twenty five
or twenty six, because these guys played.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
If you get ten years at him, which you can, yeah,
like it's worth it. Yeah, on this day and age.
You know the way quarterbacks are protected, You're exactly right,
it's not as big of a deal. I mean, look
at Brady didn't really become a starter until he was,
you know, a little older, if you will. So here's
the deal for Hendon Hooker. This guy was in the
same recruiting class as Tua, right, just to give you
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a sense of like this gap. Because of the COVID
year and some injury issues, it's taken him a while
to go on the field. He transfers from Virginia Tech,
goes to Tennessee, and then he's in this offense that
is kind of wide receiver centric, and he's asked to
make post snap downfield reads based on what the wide
receiver going to do because it's a choice route on
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the outside and he's throwing the ball down the field
j right, Like, these are not short routes, and yet
he set a completion percentage record at the University at Tennessee, right, Like,
that's not a small accomplishment to throw the ball that
well down the field. I really love his makeup. He's
a good leader. I think that he's a guy that
can have success. And I know he's going to have
to heal up after this ACL surgery. He tore his ACL.
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He could have won the Heisman. You know, if he
would have, when's the Heisman?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Where do we think, never toars ACL he ends up
winning the Heisman, where do we think we're talking about
him getting picked?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I would guess that we would be talking about him
fifteen to twenty now, Like is he going to sneak
into the first round?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Really? So you think he'd still go down there? I
thought if he won the Heisman, I think he'd I
don't know, I think he would have been kind of
more of a bona five Top.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Teams really like him.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I would imagine that they really like him makeup wise, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, But it's the same thing, Like, you know, Tennessee's
offense is really not conducive to the NFL, But man,
his kind of work ethic, you think he's going to
work himself into it right, And I like one of
the things he said. He said, yeah, I'm older, that
makes me more of a leader.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
That's right, more mature. Yeah, that's right, and he is
and he is a.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Couple of the guys I really like you have him
thirty and thirty one Elijah Kanci mm hmm. Maybe because
he's short, but I love him. But I think he's
again Aaron Donald. Look, I do hate that we do that,
but he is comfortable, right, He's went to the same school.
Short guy, but he's relentless, right, he is so relentless
and great work ethic, and man, I just think that
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he's gonna he's gonna come in with a chip and
I just think he's gonna recavoc.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I love the fact that he's so productive.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
You rarely get these guys on the interior of the
defensive line that can produce like Aaron Donald has produced. Right,
And so yeah, there's gonna be a lot of similarities
because of their college team and height. By the way,
and Aaron Donald's not three hundred pounds, you know, or
at least wasn't when he was coming out of pit.
This guy Cancey runs a four to sixty seven and
the forty. Like he's fast, he's lateral, and he's played
(25:59):
I think he played thirty I want to say, thirty
eight games or thirty seven games at PITT and he
had thirty eight tackles for loss, so almost to tackle
for loss per game. From the interior. Like he's a
disruptive guy. First unanimous All American at pit since Aaron Donald.
I really like him. And I'm looking at the Lions.
(26:20):
By the way, that second pick in the first round,
I feel like the Lions might take a swing at
if they don't take Jalen Carter.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's exactly right, which I think they Hawks might take
Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
But even that, you got to look at and go, man,
the troubles that the Lions just had will that effect
they lost James and Williams, Right, they're won from last
year and that's right, Well, does that now affect how
they go in this draft? Saying we have to make
sure we get guys we're so incredibly clean that you
can't have a problem.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, and in particular, I still think like Jalen is
a wild card. I think he fits better in Seattle
because of Pete than Detroit because of what they just
went through both teams could use, could use him, And
I just get the sense that Pete believes in himself
and his culture and that he could bring a guy
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like Jalen in and not fix him, but at least
create an environment where Jalen can flourish.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's one of the things that's great about Pete is
he does believe he can kind of resurrect everybody or
get the best version of people.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I think that was the college coaching.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
He's the ultimately optimist. Yeah. Yes, the other guy. You
have him next thirty one, and there's a lot of
edge rushers in this draft a lot. I like him
higher than thirty one. That's Will McDonald from Iowa State.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
So I'm so fascinated to see how fast edge rushers
come off the board, because I could see a scenario
where Will is not drafted in the first round. I
could see a scenario where he is drafted in the
first round depending on how fast some of these other
guys that are maybe above him get taken. Now, he's
late bloomer. He didn't really play football until he was
a junior in high school, so he's kind of lightly recruited.
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He goes to Iowa State, and every single year he
gets better and better and better. Until twenty twenty one
he has eleven and a half sacks. You know, like
the guy was dominant. Now his production dipped off just
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
This is because they had a weird fucking scheme that
didn't fit him.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
The scheme didn't really fit him. And then also Jay,
I would just say, similar to Will Anderson, everybody focused
their entire protection plan on Will McDonald, who faced Iowa
State very similar to Alabama. Why did Will Anderson's production
go down? Well, they rotated him a little bit more.
His percentage of pressures stayed high in terms of the
snaps he was on the field, but the protection plan
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was generally focused on him from the opponent.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Anybody else you want to talk about before we shift
to your story.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Oh man, that's a great I mean there's always so
many guys, right.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And there'll be guys that Yeah, they start going open
up this again. I can't stress this enough that people
were listening these next seventy two hours.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Guy move dramatically, Yeah, dramatically. Here's one my last one,
one of my favorites. Zach Sharboney, the running back at UCLA, Yes,
love Zach sharbonay. He's not gonna get taken in the
first round. He's a grown man. He'll get selected on
Day two, second or third round, I think. And he's
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going to make somebody better.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
He is.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
He's a quiet guy, but a strong leader. Transferred from
Michigan back to his hometown. He played at Oaks Christian
and High School up in the valley and transferred back
YEP in California and transferred back to play at UCLA
in large part because his sister, Bella has william Syndrome,
which is a developmental disorder, but she is high energy,
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special needs and Zach wanted to be around her, near
her and help her. And so he comes back to UCLA.
After leading the team in rushing as a true freshman
for the Michigan Wolverines, come to the UCLA. He's got
back to back thousand yard seasons. He's just a man
like understands responsibility. He's tough, he's big, he's physical, he's
(30:06):
good on the field.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I love Zach sharpaannak.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Is there anybody in the top ten that you know
you think will go top ten? You're like, eh, I
wouldn't touch him, or I'm just not as high on
him as everybody else.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I mean, for me, that's Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
If I'm a decision maker, I would be one of
the guys that didn't have Jalen Carter on the board.
Juice is not worth the squeeze to me, So that
would be it. Other than that, Like, there's a lot
of really good, good leaders. Good player you brought up.
Nolan Smith, I love him, Michael Meher the tight end,
I love him, Jordan Addison, I love it. Like there's
a lot of guys that I really like in this draft.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I think it's a good draft too. I think, man,
the value in this draft in the second round is phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Yeah, fantastic, Which is why I think once we get
to like fifteen j sixteen, seventeen, you're gonna I think
teams are going to use the entire clock trying to
trade out at the same.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Right though, again, because there's certain guys that, oh man,
I'll kind of fall in love with these guys. We
have him in the top fifteen, and I think you'll
start seeing guys try to move up if during the
all of a sudden, those players are down in the
twenties that'll be it. I think you have a lot
of action, all right. So, you know, a lot of
people don't know about Joel. I do. So the other
thing we do when Joel comes out and we'll sit
(31:20):
in the hotel room, I'll make all my phone calls
and he'll make his calls. Is I usually crack open
a bottle of wine. And Joel never ever, ever, ever,
ever partook. And one day I said, hey, do you
and he said no, I'm a sober guy. I said, really,
why so? And when I've told other people about it,
because you're cool to be telling him, they're shocked about it. So,
you know, again, this is your story. It is a
(31:41):
mental health podcast. Also, this is part of it. So
I want you to tell your story how you want
it told.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Let me give you the shortest version and then I'll
go in and get back to the shortest version. Is
that I am sober because I was way too good
at drinking. So the first steps, as anyone will say say,
is recognizing and realizing that you have a problem. And
so when I you know, think back on my story,
(32:07):
you know, the first domino for me was recognizing that
I was an alcoholic, you know, and putting that label
on it. So let me go back to one of
the things that we first talked about, which was the
fact that I played minor league baseball and I wasn't
ready or mature enough for that jay because I was
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all of a sudden given a good signing bonus, and
then all of a sudden, two weeks after my high
school graduation, I'm living in a hotel in Phoenix, playing
minor league baseball with all the freedom in the world.
There are not the structures of college athletics at that point.
It's like van leaves at six am. You know, early
work is at six forty five, and other than that,
(32:49):
it's like do whatever you want. Well, that environment was
not conducive for me, and when you throw onto that
that for the first time in my life, I started
to struggle as an apple fleet.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right, all of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I had been this very good and successful high school
athlete and my and you know, youth athlete, and then
all of.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
A sudden, you get out there with a wood bat.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Guys are throwing the ball harder, breaking balls are breaking harder,
and I'm not hitting five hundred anymore. Now I'm struggling
to hit two hundred or two fifty. And so my
identity at that point, which was wrapped up in my
success as an athlete, was being challenged. I numbed that
pain with alcohol.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Did you drink in high school? Did you start?
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I did in high school, and and it became a
bigger issue as I got later into high school. But
then definitely in minor league baseball is when it became
a big issue, and it started to be rather than
just in you know, in high school, I would I
would do it socially on the weekends and kind of
with your buddies and at parties. And then all of
a sudden it turned into something that became more of
(33:50):
a coping mechanism and a numbing mechanism. And that's the
transition that ended up, you know, sending me in a
pretty poor direction for a number of years. And so
what ends up happening, Jay, in my story is that,
you know, I end up leaving baseball in part because
of the amount I'm drinking. I try to curb it.
I go back and I start to play football. It's
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and it's pretty good for a good stretch. Now It's
not that I was totally sober, but it wasn't controlling me,
and I wasn't using as a coping mechanism. I ended
up meeting my wife in college and we end up
getting married, and then what ends up happening is very
similar to the instance when I started losing my identity
in minor league baseball. Early is football ends, and now
(34:35):
I'm released from the Detroit Lions after being released from
the Saints. And now I'm released from the Lions, and
now I'm sitting at home and now, for the first
time in my life, I'm just not an athlete at.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
All, and no structure for the first time.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
And I have no structure for the first time, and
I was totally lost. And it was a dark, dark
moment in my life. This And you know, I grew
up inside of a Christian home and we had been
to church, you know, almost every Sunday of my life
(35:07):
up until I went to minor league baseball, and it
never really took root, you know, And so Jay, I
didn't understand how to have my identity in something bigger
than one myself or the things that I was doing.
And so all of a sudden, I was just covered
in this dome of darkness.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I didn't know who I was. I didn't know how
to define myself. I didn't know how to define myself
as successful.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
I was just incredibly depressed, and that coping mechanism came
right back like a freight train. And the only way
that I could feel good or happy was to numb
myself with alcohol. And so at that moment I would
become gregarious again in the life of the party, and
I would think that people liked that version of me
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versus the version of me that was just kind of
depressed and aimless in terms of what I was going on.
So I was marred and depression and never addressed it,
and so it became really the only area of my
marriage with Sarah that was contentious was the fact that
I would just continue to drink, you know, and continue
(36:14):
to drink. She hated it, obviously, and it wasn't until
you know, basically seven years into the marriage then and
about six years after I'm done playing football where we
get pregnant with our first kid, and so Henry is
on the way, and jay I had one of those
moments where you've got to hit rock bottom, and she
(36:37):
was in pharmaceutical sales at the time. It's a little
bit hard to tell a story, but I'm going to
do it because I love you and I love what
you do.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
For people on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I'm choked up listen to it, man, because this is
this is what you know brotherhoods are. This is what
bonds are, man. And also for us to be of
service is what it's about, right. This gets us through
that stuff. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
So she had a dinner with some doctors and I
was doing local radio, trying to make it in this business,
and I had an afternoon show at the time, and
so I needed to get dinner on my own. Not
really thinking anything of it, I just decided to stop
at a local restaurant. I think it was a Flemings.
(37:17):
It was a Flemings like a steakhouse, and there's Flemmings
kind of all over and it was happy hours still
at the time, and I thought to myself, like, man,
I'll just get like a burger. It's not like we
had a lot of money, right, so I'm not trying
to go in there for a steak or anything. I
go in there for a burger that like the happy
hour burger. At the bar, there was someone there that
had a martini and it looked really good, this guy
(37:40):
at the end of the bar, and I was like, well,
that looks really good. I'm going to have one of those.
And my problem was is that I didn't have a
governor because I had used alcohol to numb and to cope.
Once I started to drink, there was no drunk that
was drunk enough because that's what I felt like.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Mate gave me meaning and happiness.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
And so that martini turned into you know, four hours
and well over a two hundred dollars bill alone out
of Flemings and driving myself home and she walked in
the door, my wife pregnant with our first child, and
looked at me and began to cry, and you know,
(38:25):
she said, either this is your last time or someone
else is going to raise this boy. WHOA So I
haven't touched it since.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Wow, Really, that is amazing. That is amazing on so
many levels. A your inner strength to stop because it's
it's hard, right, but your love for her and for
your boy is That's one of the most beautiful things
anybody's ever said on the show. That's incredible. I hope
you're proud of yourself for that, and.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Well, absolutely, I mean it's it's tough though, you know,
like I wish they never came to that. So it's
tough to take pride into some thing that is painful.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, But making decisions like that, man, that are selfless,
it's people.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
It's certainly the best decision other than marrying her, other
than accepting Jesus as my savior, like those are the
most important, But that one is very easily one of
the best decisions that I've ever made. It hasn't been easy,
you know. It's not like I just woke up and
I was just like, hey, you know, this is great.
It took a lot of time, and what ended up happening, Jay,
(39:29):
is that I had to then do the work that
I think some are are unwilling to do on the
mental health side, because again I'll go back to it
was a coping mechanism and a numbing mechanism that I
thought that I needed because I wouldn't lean in and
do the work to actually focus on whether it was
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my mental health, the depression that I was suffering, my identity,
Where is my identity?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Where do I want my identity?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
How?
Speaker 4 (39:58):
You know, how am I going to go about this life?
You know, without this coping mechanism, and so that's when
I started to try to really do and lean into
the hard work on the on the mental side. How
long have you been sober before, So it'll be twelve
years at the start of the football season, so eleven
and a half.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Does it get easier as time goes on?
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Certainly, I mean it certainly has gotten a lot easier.
I would say initially they were pretty drastic steps, but
and I continue to do so. So, for instance, and
you never did this to me, which I always thought
was you never just would like push, you know, and
say like, hey, you know, here's a drink.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
But I'm never going to do that through a sober personnel. Well,
well absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
And I'm not saying but even when you didn't know,
So anytime I was ever offered or am offered a drink,
I don't say no.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I say I don't drink.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
And that was a big like flag, yeah, boundaries and
setting the boundaries. And then if people ask me why
don't you drink? I told them right away I used
to have a problem, rather than no, thanks, I'm good,
which leaves this question open ended forever. So, for instance,
the crew that I work with on college football they
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know now they feel like they're also in on it,
Like if they ever saw me with.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
A cocktail, they would tackle me, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So those are the.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Guardrails and boundaries that I've tried to set up, is
to be open and honest. When people ask me, do
you want to drink? And I say no, no, I
don't because I don't drink.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
This version of you. I hope you realize too, Like
I can't picture you being the guy with the lampshade
on your head on top of the bar, being a
jog off. This is the only version. This is the
version that fits you and suits you.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Well, they thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
He Joel is the nicest, kindest, best guy in our business,
like man, and everybody who comes across him will say
it's unanimous and he's such a speed order for guys
who you are.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Well, thank you. That's really nice of you to say.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
And I'll be honest, like it's hard to walk through
that story, but I have so much respect for you
and what you're doing with this show right that that
I thought to myself, this, it's been long enough, right,
like your your scars are your scars, and to avoid
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it because it's uncomfortable for me is selfish and if
even that story that I told helps one person, then
it's then it's worth it.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
And I don't care. You know, there are people, Jay,
and I know you know this, that want to tear people.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Down in this world, and they want to come up
and they'll come up to me and you're nothing but
an alcoholic and I'm like, you know what that that
doesn't bother me anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
That happens, right, It happens on whether it's social media. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
I mean college fans get very very heated, jay, very heated,
very tribal in the college world. But I would just say, like,
if there's one person that identifies with that moment and
can't avoid a mistake, then it's worth it.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Then it's worth it.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
I want to just one thing you said. You said,
our scars are our scars, and I just want to
shift out a little bit. Our scars are our currency.
What we've overcome, the dark tunnels that we go through
it come out to the other side. That's what makes
us strong, that's what makes us who the fuck we are.
That's what makes us gangsters. And every time I've walked
(43:32):
in a room, I don't brag about my successes to myself,
Like I don't walk in there and get confidence for
my successes. I get confidence from my scars and the
things I've been through. Yeah, so I want you to
shift that narrative to for you, your scars are your currency, man,
Yeah right, this is what makes you different than everybody.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Else, totally and in particular, like knowing that I've done
the work and have a strong identity centered in Jesus Christ.
Now you know, like I'm so confident in that Jay
and for me, that carries my whole life. I don't
get up, I don't wake up and go about a
single day without having a time to pray, journal, read
(44:12):
the word, and just get totally centered on what I
know to be right and true.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Give me your big break in this business because I
don't know that.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Yeah, that's a that's a good question. So it all
went pretty fast. I was doing after I get released
from the Lions. During that kind of dark, dark period,
I was asked to do some regional high school football
games on Fox Sports Rocky Mountain just by a kind
of a local, you know, and and I say, okay,
I'll do it, but I you know, I was also
an investment banker. So I use my economics degree and
(44:44):
I'm going into investment banking. I'm working for a small
rut in the in the real estate industry at the
time as well. This is two thousand and six, and
the broadcasting side, you know, it's going fine, and they
are like, yeah, I would keep giving you gigs, and
they're like, you're really good at this, you should do more.
And I'm like, that's fine, but I have a real job. Well,
then the real estate market tanks and I lose my
job as an investment banker and I'm literally just unemployed.
(45:06):
And the day I lost my job was the same
day that my wife got that pharmaceutical sales job that
I was telling you about. And that was definitely, you know,
a sign that she's like, hey, let's try it. Let's
go for this broadcasting thing.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
You can do it.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
I know you can. So I ended up getting a local, small,
local radio show. Continue to do just small, you know,
local and regional, maybe college football studio here and there, but.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
The big break.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
To answer your question, I continued to badger the decision
makers to I love doing games. I love doing games,
and so they put me on a couple of college
football games on the B level regional package of the
Big Twelve, and I was just doing a basically a
random Big Twelve game, basically. I think it was two
thousand and nine or ten when Texas Tech was playing
at home against Kansas State. And this is under the
(45:54):
Fox umbrella for FSN Southwest at the time, and I
was doing the game, and lo and behold, I did
not know this, but there was a younger but recently
elevated president of Fox Sports named Eric Shanks in the
executive control room in LA watching that game on a
(46:16):
screen in front of him, and he's told me that
I made a comment on a kickoff about how a
returner's best attribute is decisiveness, and he said I had
never heard that, and I said, who's calling this game?
And by the next year I had a national package,
a B package for Fox as they got into college football,
and then within two years I had been hosting shows
(46:39):
and they brought me to LA to work as a
host in a college football analyst and kind of the
rest is history.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
And by the way, the guy is talking about Eric Shanks,
who's our boss at Fox, and Joel and I were
talking about mental health. People always been like, weren't you
afraid when I came out with my book I'm Breakable.
How I turned my depression and anxiety and the motivation
you can too. Eric said, I would love for you
to go down to the USFL and talk to all
those players and coaches down there, and I'll buy books
(47:06):
for every one of them. And I would also love
for you to do a company wide speech and will
zoom it to everybody Fox also so they could feel
included to anybody who's struggling and going through mental health issues.
So he's kind of changed both our lives there and
it's and I've told everybody, you know, kind of lean
into your teammates, and that means leaning your co workers,
(47:27):
and at least my experience at work, no one has
not only they're not shunning me. They've given me a
bigger platform to help others at Fox, which was a
scary thing of you know, oh man, are they going
to go, Man, this guy's anxiety attacks every time he
comes on Fox. Well, maybe you shouldn't be doing this,
you know. Instead, that's not the way.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
They went well, and you know, and I know that
you talk about it in your book, but like when
you find that team man, lean in, and in particular
those that wish and hope and will work for the
best in your life, you know, versus the that won't
and will tear and finding those people are really special.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
You've certainly been one of those in my life.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Like I said, the only regret is that I wish
we could work together more. But this is kind of
the moment and time in the schedule that we get
to do this.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
And you guys got to understand, I've been doing this now.
This my first draft is ninety one, but I've been,
you know, covering the NFL since ninety five or ninety six,
really on top of the draft for years and years
and years. I don't let anybody hear anything. And Joel
will come in there and he'll sit there and man,
we'll share everything. And I'm a lone wolf. I'm not
ESPN where there's eighty people doing this stuff or NFL
(48:36):
Network where they all work together. I've always been a
lone wolf. It's just kind of me. And then you know,
when I met Joel, I'm like, man, this is I
finally have somebody else to lean into on stuff. And
it's been fantastic. And I'll take Joel's list, and I'll
bring it to head coaches and gms with me saying, hey,
this is this is not my list, It's Joel Platz,
That's who I go off of, and they'll kind of
look at him and be like, Achel's good. Wow, well right,
(48:59):
Joel got good stuff. And yeah we won't we won't
go over who those guys are. But it's you.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
You.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
You never cease to impress uh these guys with your knowledge.
And you talk about having a great teammates man, and
you are an amazing teammates of b Thank you. Proud
of you for coming on here and using this platform
to help others. Man, that's absolutely You're a rock star. Brother,
Joe Klatt, good luck this week doing the draft for
uh not with me, which sucks, so okay, I'm still
going to wish you luck.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
Thank you for this platform. Your platform is amazing. I
absolutely appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Thank you, Bud.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Love you, brother,
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