April 15, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug explains why the NBA's play-in tournament has not been worth the squeeze for the juice. Doug weighs in on comments made by Caleb Williams about fraternizing with other quarterbacks. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about the NFL Draft, Aaron Rodgers all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Hey, hey, hey, welcome in, kiddos, Welcome in.
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You know it's tonight. It's the play in tournament.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Hell, So we start the show today with with more
of a question than an answer, right, Like, my job
usually is to provide you with answers for things, and
I'll give you my own answer upcoming. But the question
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is play in tournament. Now we're a couple of years in.
Does it work? Is the juice worth the squeeze? If
you will, I give my own perception and then I'll
give you the perception of I'll allow Chris and Dan
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Buyer and of courtiations to to give their thoughts. My
thought is, okay, you had the play in tournament that
was designed to create some form of excitement and some
form of new energy towards the early part of the
regular season, right because most people view the NBA's first
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half of the season as something that takes place in
a vacuum that you don't pay any sort of attention to. Meanwhile,
what you do pay attention to is Opening Night, Christmas Day,
and then into New Year's you know, post New Years
and then really you know, there's there's MLK Day games
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that are that are sort of kind of an intro
to the season, and then All Star Game and once
you get the second out of the season, now we
kind of gets interesting. So the idea of that is
people were talking about cutting back games. They didn't cut
back games. They actually added one game in, but they
did so they people want to cut games because they
were not interesting, didn't mean anything, thought guys didn't play hard.
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Has that been a win? And the answer to years
in is no, no, because whatever amount of money they're
able to generate from it. New sponsorship dollars, you know,
new national games and whatever. I'm sure it's cost a
ton and an all honesty, you're also losing some home
games for some of these teams, which is a lot
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of money. I don't think the juice is worth the
squeeze for this one.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think financially it's probably a win right because you
have more teams that are close to getting into the playoffs.
Even for that ten.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Seed, you have more home games for that you know,
seven and eight seed potentially to play two more games
at home before they get into the playoffs, so that's
more money for them, more money and get so I'd
say money wise, it's probably a pretty good thing, and
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keeping more teams engaged is probably a good thing. On
the other hand, one year you lost Steph Curry and
that's not a good thing. And of course with them
falling into the play play in again, you could lose
Steph Curry for the playoffs, which is not good for ratings.
Have you hurt the overall field tournament?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Have you helped it modestly? Have you helped there from
being you know, outright tanking at the end of the
year modestly to not at all? So my estimation over
this is it's gonna stay. It is a cool structuring
of it. There's not really a penalty for losing early
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other than you had to play, you know, an extra game,
so they need to figure out a kind of harsher
penalty for either not making the playing game or losing
the playing game. But whatever it is, it kind of
feels like a push. Have there been some benefits?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah? Are there some drawbacks? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Do I think the benefits slightly oway the drawbacks? It does,
but it also feels sort of forced. It feels like, hey,
we're trying to be baseball, trying to kind of copy
both baseball and college basketball and can't be true to
our own core and who we really are. I'm kind
of whatever to it. And I know that the games
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tonight will be played at a higher level. And my
guess is the other part is those seven seeds generally dominate,
and you can tell why one team belonged in the
tournament and one team does not. Doesn't always work that way,
But I.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Am truly.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
A Switzerland level of neutral to this entire thing. Will
I watch? Yes, Well, we cover it short. Do you
find out more about teams when their backs are against
the wall and if they lose, they go home.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, I love that, but I also.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Just think, hey is something too. Let's just get let's
get over it. Let's get to the playoffs right away.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Buyer. Let me start with you. I see, I'm sorry, Isaac.
Let me start with you. What are your thoughts on
the play and now we're a couple of years into it.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
No, let's hear what Byer has to say.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
First, pass the blunt.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Okay, so he has a blunt opinion of that, Yeah, okay.
I do not have a problem with the play in
tournament at all. I think that it is a band
aid on a deeper issue. When you start to need
to dress up your sport with gimmicks like the play
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in tournament, and especially the NBA Cup, the regular season tournament,
that's a symptom that something else is wrong. I think
the best way, the best comparison I can make it
is when the Brady Bunch added cousin Oliver to the show.
That was a symptom that something's wrong and you're trying
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to fix it. That's the equivalent of what's going on
with the NBA. If the NBA product as a whole
was entirely healthy, they wouldn't need to do something like
the play in tournament or the NBA Cup. But I
don't have a problem with the play in tournament.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, I don't have a I don't have a problem
with it. Okay, I don't have a problem with it.
But what I I Again, I'm like, there's a differency
in not having a problem with it and being super
excited for it.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And that's where I land, and I agree with you.
I don't know what it's symptomatic of.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I think some of it is just, hey, let's create
more and more excitement and have they want a little
bit of what college sports has where you have a
if you lose, you go home. So I do think
it's sympblematic of a problem. But I don't know if
it's an overall NBA problem or just just a you know,
baseball having a long series.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
They have the same problem, Jay Stu, what do.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
You think, man? I think a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
I went back to twenty twenty two because I wanted
to make sure that what you said off the top,
I wanted to verify that that Adam Silver's reasoning for
the playing tournament was what you said This was his
comments in twenty twenty two. We can get at it
in terms of player participation. It's creating other incentive the
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play in tournament, I thought a beginning of creating renewed
incentives for teams to remain competitive and be a fighting
for play opposition, and might be through in season tournaments
or changes in format. And that reminds me that NBA
Cup may have gotten some buzz first year, nobody talked
about it this time. The All Star adjustments in the
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format that was a disaster this year, and then this
play in tournament, by Silver's admission, are all built in
to keep players and teams engaged. And to me, that's
an indictment on your league. As Isaac kind of just
pointed out, you shouldn't have to create incentives for people
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making eight to ten, eight to nine figures a year
or whatever. I don't think anyone makes nine figures yet
to play basketball. And then you start thinking about the
next level, Well, are they doing it for the fans?
Are they doing it to grow their sport? I think
the play in tournament does serve their fans. I think
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NBA fans love the fact that they could watch a
couple of games the next couple of nights. I don't
know if any if your peripheral sports fans are doing it.
Same with the NBA Cup. I think that serves your
NBA fans, But I don't think you're really growing your
fan base with either of those two things.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I don't think you're growing your fan base, and I
don't know if that's the true intent, but I agree
it's not making people more excited about it. Okay, profet,
what do you think?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I think?
Speaker 7 (09:39):
I think in a vacuum, the play in Tournament, much
like the NBA Cup, is a fine idea, again in
a vacuum, but it's constantly both these things, and especially now,
the playing tournament in this year is dragged down by
the fact that it remains chained to the regular season,
which sounds obvious, but it does mean. You look at
the teams who are in the play in tournament right
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now in the East, they're all three teams in the
play in Tournament are five hundred. I'm sorry, the Magic
are the only five hundred teams. The other three teams
in the Eastern play in Tournament are under our sub
five hundred, and when you get into sub five hundred,
that's when it starts to really to beg a lot
of questions, like, you know, where we're putting in teams
that lose more than they win. In the West, you
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could easily see seven to eight. Those are the Warriors
and Grizzly, Sure, great records, but then the Kings forty
and forty two, the Mavericks thirty nine, forty three. And
it's not even like teams below ten are even fighting
to get in. There's a three game gap between the
Mavericks and the Suns. There was a I think a
seven win gap between the Raptors and the Heat. It's
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not like teams are scrambling, like we've opened up more
opportunities to get teams to fight near the end of
the season. It's still the regular season. It's still this
thing that is treated with almost almost disgusted that it
has to be slogged through to get here. So it's like,
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I get what they're going for. You want more of
the NBA Playoff, which is a great thing and everyone
tunes in for it, but it's still but the context
of the regular season is going to weigh it down
no matter what, because what we have coming up is
five of these teams have lost more than they've won.
And why would you want to watch a losing Hawks team,
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a losing Bulls team, a losing Kings team, the the
remnants of the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
It doesn't. It doesn't put anything interesting on the plate.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It does not.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It really doesn't. Those teams come limping in and then
they go limping out. It's interesting and look, and here's
the other part to it. We're all different levels of
your maybe not hardcore NBA fan, but we're good sports
fans and this these are our feelings, and I think
we are the audience that the end most trying to capture.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right the in radio, we call it P one listeners.
Right like the.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Hardcore is, they're gonna watch them out whatever you put on. Okay,
the non sports fans, you're not gonna get them on
a Tuesday night. It's the guys that like to watch
sports on TV but need to be told something interesting
has happened during the week to get us to watch
on TV. Those are the people that are not capturing.
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And again, I don't necessarily know how you do it.
I don't think this is the way, but we'll see.
I could be wrong, This could continue to grow. But
it's like when the when the team who's in sixth
place then falls the seventh play thing, like, uh, they
got to play in the play in. It's almost like
check your shoes. Ugh, that's who played the play in?
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Is the one who stepped in it. It's not a
great it's not a great perception of the play in tournament.
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Speaker 2 (13:07):
The Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So uh.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Caleb Williams, obviously people freaked out about Katleb Williams and
painted nails last year and other stuff. He did an
article with Esquire Magazine. He thinks the NFL's quarterbacks are
probably great guys, but that becoming close with players and
other teams is a good way to lose the edge
that he wants to have over them. I think the
NFL game has become very friendly, and I don't think
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I don't necessarily want to be friends because I want
to keep a competitive advantage. Williams says it's a really
interesting discussion, right, like were you going to be friends
with them anyway? And it is kind of an old
school Hey we're playing against shather. We we don't need
to be buddies with one another sort of look. But
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do we really think that takes away from your competitive advantage?
I just think it's annoying when guys, you know, they
win a game and they come over and they like
want to pat the younger guy in their head, like
you gonna be great someday.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Like stop it, stop it.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But to have a young guy who comes in is like,
I don't need any friends. And I'm sure older guys are,
like we saw you play last year. You need every
friend you can have. Is It's just it's maybe the
opposite of what we thought. We thought the younger generation
all wanted to be kumbaya and like each other. In
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this particular case, that's not the case. Start Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. John Middlecoff's our Guest three
and Out podcast on the Volume podcast network.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
He's the host. Now, John, you're not coming to the
drafting Green Bay next week?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I'm not, though, So you're not coming to my event
Tuesday night at the Legacy Hotel. Frank Caliendo me, Dan Patrick,
you don't want to be there for that.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That's a pretty good one. Actually, maybe I can make
that happen.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
There you go, let let us know. I know a
guy or two guys. We'd love to have you.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Okay, help me out here, shoudoor.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
It felt like based upon how he carried himself with
the Combine, everything we heard, it was like they were
trying to position themselves for one or two teams. Now
of a sudden, in the days leading up to the
combine to the actual draft, they're going out and seeing
people on their turf. What do you think is behind
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this different strategy?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Well, I think you just kind of gain information and
realized there's no guarantee that you know he's going to
be the number two quarterback off the board. And I
think that's any time that you know you have a
draft that this up in the air. I mean, everything's
on the table. So you start seeing, well if I'm
not the second quarterback off the board, and say, isn't
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a great draft If I'm what if I'm not going
really high? And listen, I know he comes from money,
but there is a big difference of getting drafted third
or six or in the top ten and in the twenties.
So I think that you just do everything humanly possible.
I always thought, you know, the draft interview process, it's like,
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why would you not just put on your best face
with everyone you're talking to the league? People change over
so fast, people talk, and I think clearly and listen,
I Dion has been pretty quiet I think during this
time in terms of like saying he can go here,
he can't go there, Like he hasn't done any of that.
So I think they're pretty clearly open to wherever.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Where do you think he ends up?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
A great question. I mean I would say all the
teams that knee quarterbacks, you know, I do think two
and three are just in play, right, I mean, the
Brown's gonna do just not draft a quarterback. Same with
the Giants. Now could they take guys on the second day?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
For sure?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I think the Raiders would definitely be in play. I mean,
his connection with Tom Brady. I just think that, you know,
it's a starred driven community in Vegas. Pete Carroll's done
this before where he paid Matt Flinn and then drafted
Russell Wilson. Now it wasn't the third round, not in
the first round. But I think that all these teams
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are in play. I wouldn't be shocked, but I wouldn't
be confident in putting money on where these guys are
gonna go. And that's you know, this draft lacks a
lot of sizzle relatives of last year, which was just
it doesn't get much better than that. Right, Six quarterbacks
in the top twelve, all of them really famous quarterbacks,
the compass quarterbacks. That is just not the case here.
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It just lacks a little a little pop. But I
do think the drama of I mean, there are gonna
be a couple of guys drafted in the top ten.
The casual people are like, who just got picked? And
I think that's where it's shaping up to be interesting.
Just the craziness, craziness that's going on a little bit
like last year with Pennex with eight, but that was
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kind of it that there wasn't that much. Oh my god.
I think it's going to happen constantly in this draft
because if you just pull five GMS you would get
the list of their top ten players. There'd be a
lot of different names in those lists.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
No question about it. Steug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Okay, you said there'd be a couple of
guys who go early that people haven't heard of.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Who will they be?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Oh, that's a good question. I think anytime that you
have a draft like this, where there aren't sweet quarterbacks
and honestly the skill players, you know, I think the
wide receivers are very up for debate, you get offensive linemen. So,
like one thing Howie Roseman has shown in the league is,
you know, just when all our sales go line, I
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would imagine in the top fifteen picks that eighty percent
of them are O line and D lions. So obviously
LSU guy, Missouri guy. But I think you're going to
get some random offensive lineman. And you could also get
like a garden center that typically those type players go,
you know, somewhere between fifteen and thirty. Those guys get
drafted higher in a draft like this. And defensive lineman,
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you know, like the Stewart, the defensive lineman from Texas
A and m absolute freak show, tested out of this world,
but he wasn't very productive in college. And I'm always
hesitan with players like that because I think the drafting
really high because the risk of I was always taught
like you either land the quarterback or you don't. So
guys that are starters in college that have low sack
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numbers are always concerns kind of older school people. But
I think guys like him just are a lock to
go high just because of the crop.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It's the Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of John Middlecoff. John has the Three and
Out podcast. Of course, you can hear on the Volume
podcast Network. One of the maybe the team that surprised
us most that shad Or did visit was the Pittsburgh Steelers.
There was a story a couple weeks ago that it
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looked like Aaron Rodgers was creeping closer to becoming a
Pittsburgh Steeler.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Now, Crickets, where are we with Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I wonder if at this point he's just At first
I thought a couple of weeks ago, it's like, well,
he's just waited until McAfee's deal. And then McAfee's like, yeah,
he's not showing up. I even stopped pat like, I
bet he's lying, So it makes it even crazier. Then
it came and went and he didn't show up. So
I'm like, no, it wasn't lying. We had nothing to
do with it. I think at this point he's clearly
just waiting until the draft, and you know you saw
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last year. I mean, it's a different circumstance. I don't
feel bad for Cousins at all. I mean, he cook
the most money by a mile, and then they drafted
a quarterback. But think he chose the Atlanta Falcons. So
it's like, I don't like the fault. You know, I
don't give him a reprieve like, oh I made a mistake. No,
he took the ninety million dollars. But I think, Aaron,
you know, this is probably his last season. Just he's
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come this far, you might as well just wait till
next Thursday and Friday and get a landscape of like,
did the feel a drafting guy? Because if they didn't,
then it's why it feels inevitable. Maybe the following week
after the draft. But I do wonder if Shador Sanders
or Jackson Dart or one of these quarterbacks because one time,
one thing we've seen is the day and age for
guys to get red shirted is pretty slim. Now, obviously,
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if you have Rogers on your seam. That guy's not
going to beat him out. But I wonder if Rogers
just avoids And the other thing is what if he
is waiting for OTAs, Like what if it doesn't go
well with JJ McCarthy's coming off the knee injury. Last
time we saw him was really slim. Even the coach admitted, like, yeah,
you know, we wouldn't be doing our right by the
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organization if we didn't look into this. We believe in JJ,
but there's a lot of unknown and I still think
that's on the table until we start playing real football.
So in fairness to Aaron, it's not the craziest thing,
given his age and given what's happened recently to kind
of let this playout. It's not like he's given up
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a lot of money, right, It's not like he would
have had some three year, one hundred and fifty million
dollars deal on the table a month and a half
ago and now he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, stuck got libs show here on Fox Sports Radio.
What do NFL guys think of Like the Tennessee quarterback
right where he's a freshman, he plays and then he
agrees to an nil extension or a new deal, and
then he does a sit in. You know, there are
people that want to want to draw a parallel to
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NFL guys whoever a year left on their contract doing
a sit in to get a new deal.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
How the NFL people actually view it.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I think the difference is, you know, Nito did not
play well last year given the hype. He threw one
touchdown in their important games Alabama, Florida, Arkansas, Georgia has
to say one total touchdown, so he was very underwell,
like they were a running defensive team. Like if he
was coming out in the straft, for example, I think
there'd be a lot of question marks on the guy.
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He's so young, he might still be there for a
couple of years. I think these guys are kind of
numb to the whole nil thing that they view it
as separate from what they're about to experience because a
lot of their experience when these guys getting paid, it
hasn't been bad. Like they've drafted these guys and they've
had they've excelled. I think they just look at this
player like he's not that good right now, so they go, wait,
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you just gave up two million dollars to be a
starting quarterback and one of the best teams in the country.
Is that a good idea? And by all accounts, I like,
where's he gonna go? He can't transfer into the SEC
right because he's not gonna sit out a year. All
those good teams in the ACC and the Big Ten
look like they have quarterbacks. He's gonna go to UCLA. Like,
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I'm sorry, that's a huge downgrade from a football perspective.
In UCLA ain't exactly paying, So, like, let's face it,
I think it's pretty clear that it's hard to even
blame the kid. He's clearly just following his dad, which
is a tough saw at eighteen nineteen years old. Dad
made a terrible decision, and you know, pigs get fit,
always get slaughtered. It felt like they were really greedy.
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They acted like they just were Johnny football year one
and won the Heisman. I thought he had a pretty
average season at best, and he's being highly compensated, so
it's a pretty win win deal here.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, Stug Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, John
middlecoff Our is our guest. Travis Hunters says, you'd rather
not play football then only have to play one side
of the ball. Yeah, that one is an odd one
to me as well, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I just think these teams are, you know, kind of
like how it happened in college forever. They're like, yeah,
we're gonna let you play quarterback, right, it's like move
him to safety. You're like, yeah, we're gonna let you
play wide receiver, and then immediately move the guy to corner.
I think these teams it's like, yeah, I say, whatever
you want, We'll let you get to the NFL. What's
you gonna do? Quit? Because I think most of these
teams when it comes to Rafison are going to go
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in pretty open minded. But I would imagine if you
talk to the team all drafting in the top five
and I said, hey, Mike brabl or hey, you know
who Kevin Sepansky, Like, you're going to have a one
position situation and then utilize him if as possible on
the other side of the ball, but you're not starting
both ways. I would be stunned if Week one, let's
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just say the Browns draft him at two, he is
their starting wide receiver and starting corner. Now, that doesn't
mean he won't touch the field for both sides of
the ball week one. But if you just tell me
that he plays one hundred plus snaps going both ways,
that would be insane. Do you agree with that? Yes,
And I don't envision it happening. But he's just talk
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right now. We'll see. I think what's more than likely
is they try to start him at corner and give
him some plays on offense. But yeah, you know part
of you know, some of these guys that did that,
I think it's really easy. Like a lot of like
Odell Beckham and DeShawn Jackson, they were returners, so it's
like early on in their career they got to return
and play wide receiver. Dion was like one of the
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fastest humans in the history of the league. Ran go routes, right, Well,
this guy's not. This guy's more of like a wide
receiver running like intermediate routes. It's not like you can
just run them bring them in on offense. To run
go routes, he'd has to actually have to play, you know,
run normal routes where if he's playing defense as well,
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Like part of the reason justin Jefferson, Jabar Chase, whoever.
All these good wide receivers every single day they go
to the wide receiver room, they hit the judge machines,
they work on their routes like they spend every day
of their professional life working on the craft where it's like,
if you spread yourself thin, there's no way to get
better at the rate of all the top guys in
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the league. And when I draft you really high, I
expect you to play at that level. Even you go
to the other side of the ball, they're stingingly break
your huge contract. Well, for the last three years of
the Houston Dexans, every single day he goes to the
DV room, he watched the DV film, He goes to
practice with the dbs. He you know, they go to
team he covers the wide receivers, totally works on So
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it's like eventually it kind of comes to fruition and
it's like, wow, this guy's become a saw. Yeah, it's
all the work you've been putting in. It's like, well,
how could you possibly do multiple things? If I have
Patrick Mahomes, It's like, hey, after practice times, you're just
gonna go over here with the kickers, like well, you know,
and not do quarterbacks. His rate of improvement would slow
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down and at the highest level against the best of
the best. I think in in the day and age,
when you know you got union members on the of
the players turn you in. If you go extra practice time,
you got to really really take advantage of the efficiency.
I mean, you know, as a coach, like you only
get so much time, especially physically to practice of football.
Metal game is huge, but the physical practice, the small
(27:58):
amount of time you have to the offseason and definitely
during training camp and then the season is extremely important
because you practice way more than you play.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
That's the voice of John Metocoff. Three and Out is
the podcast h Before You Let You Go.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
John.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We talked about it in the opening of the show.
I just want to get your thoughts because you are
a huge hoops fan and a Warriors fan. The Warriors
is falling back to playing the playoff game. We're a
couple of years in. What do you think of the
playing tournament?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Well, if you look at the matchups beside the Warriors,
all the teams like don't do anything for me, And
I would imagine I kind of speak for the casual
fan like pretty boring. Like are people getting into the
Sacramento Kings in the Chicago Bulls teams that are just bad.
Pretty lucky to have the Warriors. Now, they've been multiple
times in this game. I mean stept Curry, needle mover.
I'm a little nervous tonight. I mean they just they've
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been running on fumes a little bit. You know, Steps
the older player. Jimmy's an older player, banged up. The
other thing, Jimmy is not used to playing a lot
till the playoffs. So it's like they've been putting a
lot of midels on them. Very very important they win
this game. But I haven't watched that much regular season basketball.
I did a couple of weeks ago, watched the Warriors
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play the Rockets, who they would have to play, and
they threw the Thompson brothers. They got on step and
it looked like Darrell Reeves or you know, Deon Sanders
in his prime. Step could not get away from the guy.
I mean, he blanketed him like a DV.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It was.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It looked like early on a Steph's career. Remember when
Chris Paul was like the prime in the end of
Mark Jackson era. It was just a really tough matchup.
Then step kind of took off. But this guy so
long and athletics. I'll be honest, I didn't know that
much about the Rockets. Besides, they were having a good
season athletically. I know they struggling offense. Everyone's all the
Warriors will take care of the Rockets. I don't know
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that the athleticism they're thrown out, but specifically at step
and their coach. You know, he might be a menace,
you know, at the bar late night with people's wives,
but he can coach, so I think even if they
win tonight, the Rockets are going to be a major
problem for the Warriors.
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Speaker 2 (30:10):
Thanks so much for joining us. Well talk to you
draft week.
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Speaker 2 (30:32):
Next hour? And then wait to hear what the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I think he's the president of the Nuggets had to
say about both their general manager and their head coach.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Who was fired?
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All that upcoming next hour, really really good stuff. Before
we get to that, let's get to a game with
Isaaclow and Cron.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
This is game time, Golden Side on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I love what's the game today?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's not Rackham, it's rank them all right, Doug, I
want you to rank the best three teams in the
NBA's Play in Tournament. Yeah, all right. So in the
Eastern Conference we've got the Miami Heat, the Chicago Bulls,
the Atlanta Hawks, and the Orlando Magic. Out of the
Western conferences, the Dallas Mavericks, Sacamento Kings, Memphis Grizzlies, and
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Golden State Warriors. Ranked the best three teams in the
play in Tournament.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
That's a great question. My number one is going to
be the Golden State Warriors. And it's not just because
you know they by one game slipped in. It's they
have championship pedigree. They still have Steph Curry nobody else does. Right,
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That's my number one. My number two is going to
be the Memphis Grizzlies.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Who shots fired. I mean, yes, yes that was low hand.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
It was laying fruit. But you you grab that fruit,
you bit that fruit and you ate that fruit. The
last one is going to be the Orlando Magic. And
the reason is they played great basketball just to put
themselves in position, right they won what was it, it
was like nine out of twelve to get into the
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playing game, or to get to where they are in
the play game, play their best basketball, good young players.
Paula Boncarro, I think is a star. I'll go with
Orlando as their third best team, third best team remaining.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
We've got four present head coaching openings in the NBA,
and I want you to rank the top three. So
the openings is of right now, the Phoenix Suns, Denver, Memphis,
and the Sacramento Kames.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
How do you want to what order? Do you want
to rate them in?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Top three? Best job opening us most of Well, that's
kind of that's kind of up in the air. So
I mean, I mean, look, you can you can certainly
add in the Spurs if you'd like, though, I don't
have any idea what you're talking about, but hey, it's
your show.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I think the Spurs are the best job, that Grizzlies
the second best job.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
The one's left for Denver, the Phoenix Suns and Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Hey, yeah, then Denver. Denver's the third best job. Okay,
I got a hold on your Yeah, but yet to
coach Sho Kitch, but you have to.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You don't know him. Kind of got tread lightly. That's
not easy.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Stand by for a bitter Kevin Durant tweet in three
to two never mind. Okay, speaking of three two to one,
I want you to rank the Southern California Major League
Baseball teams that are off to the best starts.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
This season.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
We have the San Diego Padres at fourteen and three,
the Dodgers at twelve and six, and surprisingly the Angels
at nine and six are in first place in the
American League West. Rank the top three SoCal Baseball teams.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
That's a great question. I'll do Angels three, Padres two,
Dodgers one.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Okay. By the way, to add to the vitriol of
Padre fans out there, So, there was a five point
one earthquake in San Diego in the San Diego area yesterday.
It was very significant and people on social media were posting, Wow,
that was a big earthquake. I hope the Padres trophy
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case wasn't damaged. And it's just a picture of a
big banner saying beat the Dodgers in the NLDS. All right,
final item, because of the particular day it is, I
want you to rank the three worst things about doing taxes.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Two, I would say handwriting things down.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Three right, your hand gets sore.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Two would be realizing how much you spent. And the
worst part is how much you actually make.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I mean, I don't know if anybody around here has
this problem, but I get my tax is taken out
at each paycheck, so I'm like, okay, and then I
still wind up on a boatload of other money at
the end of the year. I don't know how that is.
And that concludes a bitter note on this edition of
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Hey, hey, hey, welcome in, kiddos, Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You know it's tonight. It's the play in tournament.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Hell, So we start the show today with with more
of a question than an answer, right, Like, my job
usually is to provide you with answers for things, and
I'll give you my own answer upcoming. But the question
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is play in tournament. Now we're a couple of years in.
Does it work? Is the juice worth the squeeze? If
you will, I give my own perception and then I'll
give you the perception of I'll allow Chris and Dan
(01:32):
Buyer and of courtiations to to give their thoughts. My
thought is, okay, you had the play in tournament that
was designed to create some form of excitement and some
form of new energy towards the early part of the
regular season, right because most people view the NBA's first
(01:56):
half of the season as something that takes place in
a vacuum that you don't pay any sort of attention to. Meanwhile,
what you do pay attention to is Opening Night, Christmas Day,
and then into New Year's you know, post New Years
and then really you know, there's there's MLK Day games
(02:19):
that are that are sort of kind of an intro
to the season, and then All Star Game and once
you get the second out of the season, now we
kind of gets interesting. So the idea of that is
people were talking about cutting back games. They didn't cut
back games. They actually added one game in, but they
did so they people want to cut games because they
were not interesting, didn't mean anything, thought guys didn't play hard.
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Has that been a win? And the answer to years
in is no, no, because whatever amount of money they're
able to generate from it. New sponsorship dollars, you know,
new national games and whatever. I'm sure it's cost a
ton and an all honesty, you're also losing some home
games for some of these teams, which is a lot
(03:03):
of money. I don't think the juice is worth the
squeeze for this one.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think financially it's probably a win right because you
have more teams that are close to getting into the playoffs.
Even for that ten.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Seed, you have more home games for that you know,
seven and eight seed potentially to play two more games
at home before they get into the playoffs, so that's
more money for them, more money and get so I'd
say money wise, it's probably a pretty good thing, and
(03:41):
keeping more teams engaged is probably a good thing. On
the other hand, one year you lost Steph Curry and
that's not a good thing. And of course with them
falling into the play play in again, you could lose
Steph Curry for the playoffs, which is not good for ratings.
Have you hurt the overall field tournament?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Have you helped it modestly? Have you helped there from
being you know, outright tanking at the end of the
year modestly to not at all? So my estimation over
this is it's gonna stay. It is a cool structuring
of it. There's not really a penalty for losing early
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other than you had to play, you know, an extra game,
so they need to figure out a kind of harsher
penalty for either not making the playing game or losing
the playing game. But whatever it is, it kind of
feels like a push. Have there been some benefits?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah? Are there some drawbacks? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Do I think the benefits slightly oway the drawbacks? It does,
but it also feels sort of forced. It feels like, hey,
we're trying to be baseball, trying to kind of copy
both baseball and college basketball and can't be true to
our own core and who we really are. I'm kind
of whatever to it. And I know that the games
(05:05):
tonight will be played at a higher level. And my
guess is the other part is those seven seeds generally dominate,
and you can tell why one team belonged in the
tournament and one team does not. Doesn't always work that way,
But I.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Am truly.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
A Switzerland level of neutral to this entire thing. Will
I watch? Yes, Well, we cover it short. Do you
find out more about teams when their backs are against
the wall and if they lose, they go home.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, I love that, but I also.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Just think, hey is something too. Let's just get let's
get over it. Let's get to the playoffs right away.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Buyer. Let me start with you. I see, I'm sorry, Isaac.
Let me start with you. What are your thoughts on
the play and now we're a couple of years into it.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
No, let's hear what Byer has to say.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
First, pass the blunt.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Okay, so he has a blunt opinion of that, Yeah, okay.
I do not have a problem with the play in
tournament at all. I think that it is a band
aid on a deeper issue. When you start to need
to dress up your sport with gimmicks like the play
(06:16):
in tournament, and especially the NBA Cup, the regular season tournament,
that's a symptom that something else is wrong. I think
the best way, the best comparison I can make it
is when the Brady Bunch added cousin Oliver to the show.
That was a symptom that something's wrong and you're trying
(06:38):
to fix it. That's the equivalent of what's going on
with the NBA. If the NBA product as a whole
was entirely healthy, they wouldn't need to do something like
the play in tournament or the NBA Cup. But I
don't have a problem with the play in tournament.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, I don't have a I don't have a problem
with it. Okay, I don't have a problem with it.
But what I I Again, I'm like, there's a differency
in not having a problem with it and being super
excited for it.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And that's where I land, and I agree with you.
I don't know what it's symptomatic of.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I think some of it is just, hey, let's create
more and more excitement and have they want a little
bit of what college sports has where you have a
if you lose, you go home. So I do think
it's sympblematic of a problem. But I don't know if
it's an overall NBA problem or just just a you know,
baseball having a long series.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
They have the same problem, Jay Stu, what do.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
You think, man? I think a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
I went back to twenty twenty two because I wanted
to make sure that what you said off the top,
I wanted to verify that that Adam Silver's reasoning for
the playing tournament was what you said This was his
comments in twenty twenty two. We can get at it
in terms of player participation. It's creating other incentive the
(08:00):
play in tournament, I thought a beginning of creating renewed
incentives for teams to remain competitive and be a fighting
for play opposition, and might be through in season tournaments
or changes in format. And that reminds me that NBA
Cup may have gotten some buzz first year, nobody talked
about it this time. The All Star adjustments in the
(08:23):
format that was a disaster this year, and then this
play in tournament, by Silver's admission, are all built in
to keep players and teams engaged. And to me, that's
an indictment on your league. As Isaac kind of just
pointed out, you shouldn't have to create incentives for people
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making eight to ten, eight to nine figures a year
or whatever. I don't think anyone makes nine figures yet
to play basketball. And then you start thinking about the
next level, Well, are they doing it for the fans?
Are they doing it to grow their sport? I think
the play in tournament does serve their fans. I think
(09:06):
NBA fans love the fact that they could watch a
couple of games the next couple of nights. I don't
know if any if your peripheral sports fans are doing it.
Same with the NBA Cup. I think that serves your
NBA fans, But I don't think you're really growing your
fan base with either of those two things.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I don't think you're growing your fan base, and I
don't know if that's the true intent, but I agree
it's not making people more excited about it. Okay, profet,
what do you think?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I think?
Speaker 7 (09:39):
I think in a vacuum, the play in Tournament, much
like the NBA Cup, is a fine idea, again in
a vacuum, but it's constantly both these things, and especially now,
the playing tournament in this year is dragged down by
the fact that it remains chained to the regular season,
which sounds obvious, but it does mean. You look at
the teams who are in the play in tournament right
(10:01):
now in the East, they're all three teams in the
play in Tournament are five hundred. I'm sorry, the Magic
are the only five hundred teams. The other three teams
in the Eastern play in Tournament are under our sub
five hundred, and when you get into sub five hundred,
that's when it starts to really to beg a lot
of questions, like, you know, where we're putting in teams
that lose more than they win. In the West, you
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could easily see seven to eight. Those are the Warriors
and Grizzly, Sure, great records, but then the Kings forty
and forty two, the Mavericks thirty nine, forty three. And
it's not even like teams below ten are even fighting
to get in. There's a three game gap between the
Mavericks and the Suns. There was a I think a
seven win gap between the Raptors and the Heat. It's
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not like teams are scrambling, like we've opened up more
opportunities to get teams to fight near the end of
the season. It's still the regular season. It's still this
thing that is treated with almost almost disgusted that it
has to be slogged through to get here. So it's like,
(11:07):
I get what they're going for. You want more of
the NBA Playoff, which is a great thing and everyone
tunes in for it, but it's still but the context
of the regular season is going to weigh it down
no matter what, because what we have coming up is
five of these teams have lost more than they've won.
And why would you want to watch a losing Hawks team,
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a losing Bulls team, a losing Kings team, the the
remnants of the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
It doesn't. It doesn't put anything interesting on the plate.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It does not.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It really doesn't. Those teams come limping in and then
they go limping out. It's interesting and look, and here's
the other part to it. We're all different levels of
your maybe not hardcore NBA fan, but we're good sports
fans and this these are our feelings, and I think
we are the audience that the end most trying to capture.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right the in radio, we call it P one listeners.
Right like the.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Hardcore is, they're gonna watch them out whatever you put on. Okay,
the non sports fans, you're not gonna get them on
a Tuesday night. It's the guys that like to watch
sports on TV but need to be told something interesting
has happened during the week to get us to watch
on TV. Those are the people that are not capturing.
(12:28):
And again, I don't necessarily know how you do it.
I don't think this is the way, but we'll see.
I could be wrong, This could continue to grow. But
it's like when the when the team who's in sixth
place then falls the seventh play thing, like, uh, they
got to play in the play in. It's almost like
check your shoes. Ugh, that's who played the play in?
(12:50):
Is the one who stepped in it. It's not a
great it's not a great perception of the play in tournament.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
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Speaker 2 (13:07):
The Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So uh.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Caleb Williams, obviously people freaked out about Katleb Williams and
painted nails last year and other stuff. He did an
article with Esquire Magazine. He thinks the NFL's quarterbacks are
probably great guys, but that becoming close with players and
other teams is a good way to lose the edge
that he wants to have over them. I think the
NFL game has become very friendly, and I don't think
(13:33):
I don't necessarily want to be friends because I want
to keep a competitive advantage. Williams says it's a really
interesting discussion, right, like were you going to be friends
with them anyway? And it is kind of an old
school Hey we're playing against shather. We we don't need
to be buddies with one another sort of look. But
(13:56):
do we really think that takes away from your competitive advantage?
I just think it's annoying when guys, you know, they
win a game and they come over and they like
want to pat the younger guy in their head, like
you gonna be great someday.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Like stop it, stop it.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But to have a young guy who comes in is like,
I don't need any friends. And I'm sure older guys are,
like we saw you play last year. You need every
friend you can have. Is It's just it's maybe the
opposite of what we thought. We thought the younger generation
all wanted to be kumbaya and like each other. In
(14:34):
this particular case, that's not the case. Start Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. John Middlecoff's our Guest three
and Out podcast on the Volume podcast network.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
He's the host. Now, John, you're not coming to the
drafting Green Bay next week?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I'm not, though, So you're not coming to my event
Tuesday night at the Legacy Hotel. Frank Caliendo me, Dan Patrick,
you don't want to be there for that.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That's a pretty good one. Actually, maybe I can make
that happen.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
There you go, let let us know. I know a
guy or two guys. We'd love to have you.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Okay, help me out here, shoudoor.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
It felt like based upon how he carried himself with
the Combine, everything we heard, it was like they were
trying to position themselves for one or two teams. Now
of a sudden, in the days leading up to the
combine to the actual draft, they're going out and seeing
people on their turf. What do you think is behind
(15:37):
this different strategy?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Well, I think you just kind of gain information and
realized there's no guarantee that you know he's going to
be the number two quarterback off the board. And I
think that's any time that you know you have a
draft that this up in the air. I mean, everything's
on the table. So you start seeing, well if I'm
not the second quarterback off the board, and say, isn't
(16:00):
a great draft If I'm what if I'm not going
really high? And listen, I know he comes from money,
but there is a big difference of getting drafted third
or six or in the top ten and in the twenties.
So I think that you just do everything humanly possible.
I always thought, you know, the draft interview process, it's like,
(16:22):
why would you not just put on your best face
with everyone you're talking to the league? People change over
so fast, people talk, and I think clearly and listen,
I Dion has been pretty quiet I think during this
time in terms of like saying he can go here,
he can't go there, Like he hasn't done any of that.
So I think they're pretty clearly open to wherever.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Where do you think he ends up?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
A great question. I mean I would say all the
teams that knee quarterbacks, you know, I do think two
and three are just in play, right, I mean, the
Brown's gonna do just not draft a quarterback. Same with
the Giants. Now could they take guys on the second day?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
For sure?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I think the Raiders would definitely be in play. I mean,
his connection with Tom Brady. I just think that, you know,
it's a starred driven community in Vegas. Pete Carroll's done
this before where he paid Matt Flinn and then drafted
Russell Wilson. Now it wasn't the third round, not in
the first round. But I think that all these teams
(17:27):
are in play. I wouldn't be shocked, but I wouldn't
be confident in putting money on where these guys are
gonna go. And that's you know, this draft lacks a
lot of sizzle relatives of last year, which was just
it doesn't get much better than that. Right, Six quarterbacks
in the top twelve, all of them really famous quarterbacks,
the compass quarterbacks. That is just not the case here.
(17:49):
It just lacks a little a little pop. But I
do think the drama of I mean, there are gonna
be a couple of guys drafted in the top ten.
The casual people are like, who just got picked? And
I think that's where it's shaping up to be interesting.
Just the craziness, craziness that's going on a little bit
like last year with Pennex with eight, but that was
(18:11):
kind of it that there wasn't that much. Oh my god.
I think it's going to happen constantly in this draft
because if you just pull five GMS you would get
the list of their top ten players. There'd be a
lot of different names in those lists.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
No question about it. Steug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Okay, you said there'd be a couple of
guys who go early that people haven't heard of.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Who will they be?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Oh, that's a good question. I think anytime that you
have a draft like this, where there aren't sweet quarterbacks
and honestly the skill players, you know, I think the
wide receivers are very up for debate, you get offensive linemen. So,
like one thing Howie Roseman has shown in the league is,
you know, just when all our sales go line, I
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would imagine in the top fifteen picks that eighty percent
of them are O line and D lions. So obviously
LSU guy, Missouri guy. But I think you're going to
get some random offensive lineman. And you could also get
like a garden center that typically those type players go,
you know, somewhere between fifteen and thirty. Those guys get
drafted higher in a draft like this. And defensive lineman,
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you know, like the Stewart, the defensive lineman from Texas
A and m absolute freak show, tested out of this world,
but he wasn't very productive in college. And I'm always
hesitan with players like that because I think the drafting
really high because the risk of I was always taught
like you either land the quarterback or you don't. So
guys that are starters in college that have low sack
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numbers are always concerns kind of older school people. But
I think guys like him just are a lock to
go high just because of the crop.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It's the Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of John Middlecoff. John has the Three and
Out podcast. Of course, you can hear on the Volume
podcast Network. One of the maybe the team that surprised
us most that shad Or did visit was the Pittsburgh Steelers.
There was a story a couple weeks ago that it
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looked like Aaron Rodgers was creeping closer to becoming a
Pittsburgh Steeler.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Now, Crickets, where are we with Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I wonder if at this point he's just At first
I thought a couple of weeks ago, it's like, well,
he's just waited until McAfee's deal. And then McAfee's like, yeah,
he's not showing up. I even stopped pat like, I
bet he's lying, So it makes it even crazier. Then
it came and went and he didn't show up. So
I'm like, no, it wasn't lying. We had nothing to
do with it. I think at this point he's clearly
just waiting until the draft, and you know you saw
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last year. I mean, it's a different circumstance. I don't
feel bad for Cousins at all. I mean, he cook
the most money by a mile, and then they drafted
a quarterback. But think he chose the Atlanta Falcons. So
it's like, I don't like the fault. You know, I
don't give him a reprieve like, oh I made a mistake. No,
he took the ninety million dollars. But I think, Aaron,
you know, this is probably his last season. Just he's
(21:04):
come this far, you might as well just wait till
next Thursday and Friday and get a landscape of like,
did the feel a drafting guy? Because if they didn't,
then it's why it feels inevitable. Maybe the following week
after the draft. But I do wonder if Shador Sanders
or Jackson Dart or one of these quarterbacks because one time,
one thing we've seen is the day and age for
guys to get red shirted is pretty slim. Now, obviously,
(21:27):
if you have Rogers on your seam. That guy's not
going to beat him out. But I wonder if Rogers
just avoids And the other thing is what if he
is waiting for OTAs, Like what if it doesn't go
well with JJ McCarthy's coming off the knee injury. Last
time we saw him was really slim. Even the coach admitted, like, yeah,
you know, we wouldn't be doing our right by the
(21:48):
organization if we didn't look into this. We believe in JJ,
but there's a lot of unknown and I still think
that's on the table until we start playing real football.
So in fairness to Aaron, it's not the craziest thing,
given his age and given what's happened recently to kind
of let this playout. It's not like he's given up
(22:08):
a lot of money, right, It's not like he would
have had some three year, one hundred and fifty million
dollars deal on the table a month and a half
ago and now he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, stuck got libs show here on Fox Sports Radio.
What do NFL guys think of Like the Tennessee quarterback
right where he's a freshman, he plays and then he
agrees to an nil extension or a new deal, and
then he does a sit in. You know, there are
people that want to want to draw a parallel to
(22:36):
NFL guys whoever a year left on their contract doing
a sit in to get a new deal.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
How the NFL people actually view it.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I think the difference is, you know, Nito did not
play well last year given the hype. He threw one
touchdown in their important games Alabama, Florida, Arkansas, Georgia has
to say one total touchdown, so he was very underwell,
like they were a running defensive team. Like if he
was coming out in the straft, for example, I think
there'd be a lot of question marks on the guy.
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He's so young, he might still be there for a
couple of years. I think these guys are kind of
numb to the whole nil thing that they view it
as separate from what they're about to experience because a
lot of their experience when these guys getting paid, it
hasn't been bad. Like they've drafted these guys and they've
had they've excelled. I think they just look at this
player like he's not that good right now, so they go, wait,
(23:25):
you just gave up two million dollars to be a
starting quarterback and one of the best teams in the country.
Is that a good idea? And by all accounts, I like,
where's he gonna go? He can't transfer into the SEC
right because he's not gonna sit out a year. All
those good teams in the ACC and the Big Ten
look like they have quarterbacks. He's gonna go to UCLA. Like,
(23:46):
I'm sorry, that's a huge downgrade from a football perspective.
In UCLA ain't exactly paying, So, like, let's face it,
I think it's pretty clear that it's hard to even
blame the kid. He's clearly just following his dad, which
is a tough saw at eighteen nineteen years old. Dad
made a terrible decision, and you know, pigs get fit,
always get slaughtered. It felt like they were really greedy.
(24:07):
They acted like they just were Johnny football year one
and won the Heisman. I thought he had a pretty
average season at best, and he's being highly compensated, so
it's a pretty win win deal here.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, Stug Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, John
middlecoff Our is our guest. Travis Hunters says, you'd rather
not play football then only have to play one side
of the ball. Yeah, that one is an odd one
to me as well, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I just think these teams are, you know, kind of
like how it happened in college forever. They're like, yeah,
we're gonna let you play quarterback, right, it's like move
him to safety. You're like, yeah, we're gonna let you
play wide receiver, and then immediately move the guy to corner.
I think these teams it's like, yeah, I say, whatever
you want, We'll let you get to the NFL. What's
you gonna do? Quit? Because I think most of these
teams when it comes to Rafison are going to go
(25:00):
in pretty open minded. But I would imagine if you
talk to the team all drafting in the top five
and I said, hey, Mike brabl or hey, you know
who Kevin Sepansky, Like, you're going to have a one
position situation and then utilize him if as possible on
the other side of the ball, but you're not starting
both ways. I would be stunned if Week one, let's
(25:25):
just say the Browns draft him at two, he is
their starting wide receiver and starting corner. Now, that doesn't
mean he won't touch the field for both sides of
the ball week one. But if you just tell me
that he plays one hundred plus snaps going both ways,
that would be insane. Do you agree with that? Yes,
And I don't envision it happening. But he's just talk
(25:47):
right now. We'll see. I think what's more than likely
is they try to start him at corner and give
him some plays on offense. But yeah, you know part
of you know, some of these guys that did that,
I think it's really easy. Like a lot of like
Odell Beckham and DeShawn Jackson, they were returners, so it's
like early on in their career they got to return
and play wide receiver. Dion was like one of the
(26:09):
fastest humans in the history of the league. Ran go routes, right, Well,
this guy's not. This guy's more of like a wide
receiver running like intermediate routes. It's not like you can
just run them bring them in on offense. To run
go routes, he'd has to actually have to play, you know,
run normal routes where if he's playing defense as well,
(26:30):
Like part of the reason justin Jefferson, Jabar Chase, whoever.
All these good wide receivers every single day they go
to the wide receiver room, they hit the judge machines,
they work on their routes like they spend every day
of their professional life working on the craft where it's like,
if you spread yourself thin, there's no way to get
better at the rate of all the top guys in
(26:52):
the league. And when I draft you really high, I
expect you to play at that level. Even you go
to the other side of the ball, they're stingingly break
your huge contract. Well, for the last three years of
the Houston Dexans, every single day he goes to the
DV room, he watched the DV film, He goes to
practice with the dbs. He you know, they go to
team he covers the wide receivers, totally works on So
(27:13):
it's like eventually it kind of comes to fruition and
it's like, wow, this guy's become a saw. Yeah, it's
all the work you've been putting in. It's like, well,
how could you possibly do multiple things? If I have
Patrick Mahomes, It's like, hey, after practice times, you're just
gonna go over here with the kickers, like well, you know,
and not do quarterbacks. His rate of improvement would slow
(27:35):
down and at the highest level against the best of
the best. I think in in the day and age,
when you know you got union members on the of
the players turn you in. If you go extra practice time,
you got to really really take advantage of the efficiency.
I mean, you know, as a coach, like you only
get so much time, especially physically to practice of football.
Metal game is huge, but the physical practice, the small
(27:58):
amount of time you have to the offseason and definitely
during training camp and then the season is extremely important
because you practice way more than you play.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
That's the voice of John Metocoff. Three and Out is
the podcast h Before You Let You Go.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
John.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We talked about it in the opening of the show.
I just want to get your thoughts because you are
a huge hoops fan and a Warriors fan. The Warriors
is falling back to playing the playoff game. We're a
couple of years in. What do you think of the
playing tournament?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Well, if you look at the matchups beside the Warriors,
all the teams like don't do anything for me, And
I would imagine I kind of speak for the casual
fan like pretty boring. Like are people getting into the
Sacramento Kings in the Chicago Bulls teams that are just bad.
Pretty lucky to have the Warriors. Now, they've been multiple
times in this game. I mean stept Curry, needle mover.
I'm a little nervous tonight. I mean they just they've
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been running on fumes a little bit. You know, Steps
the older player. Jimmy's an older player, banged up. The
other thing, Jimmy is not used to playing a lot
till the playoffs. So it's like they've been putting a
lot of midels on them. Very very important they win
this game. But I haven't watched that much regular season basketball.
I did a couple of weeks ago, watched the Warriors
(29:09):
play the Rockets, who they would have to play, and
they threw the Thompson brothers. They got on step and
it looked like Darrell Reeves or you know, Deon Sanders
in his prime. Step could not get away from the guy.
I mean, he blanketed him like a DV.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It was.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It looked like early on a Steph's career. Remember when
Chris Paul was like the prime in the end of
Mark Jackson era. It was just a really tough matchup.
Then step kind of took off. But this guy so
long and athletics. I'll be honest, I didn't know that
much about the Rockets. Besides, they were having a good
season athletically. I know they struggling offense. Everyone's all the
Warriors will take care of the Rockets. I don't know
(29:47):
that the athleticism they're thrown out, but specifically at step
and their coach. You know, he might be a menace,
you know, at the bar late night with people's wives,
but he can coach, so I think even if they
win tonight, the Rockets are going to be a major
problem for the Warriors.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That's Shamminokoff three Now is the podcast. You can also
get a little golf from him and always get some
hoops from as well.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Thanks so much for joining us. Well talk to you
draft week.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific's.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. We'll talk to
some Travis Hunter next hour. Is Kevin ran a coach killer?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Next hour? And then wait to hear what the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I think he's the president of the Nuggets had to
say about both their general manager and their head coach.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Who was fired?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
All that upcoming next hour, really really good stuff. Before
we get to that, let's get to a game with
Isaaclow and Cron.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
This is game time, Golden Side on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I love what's the game today?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's not Rackham, it's rank them all right, Doug, I
want you to rank the best three teams in the
NBA's Play in Tournament. Yeah, all right. So in the
Eastern Conference we've got the Miami Heat, the Chicago Bulls,
the Atlanta Hawks, and the Orlando Magic. Out of the
Western conferences, the Dallas Mavericks, Sacamento Kings, Memphis Grizzlies, and
(31:30):
Golden State Warriors. Ranked the best three teams in the
play in Tournament.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
That's a great question. My number one is going to
be the Golden State Warriors. And it's not just because
you know they by one game slipped in. It's they
have championship pedigree. They still have Steph Curry nobody else does. Right,
(31:59):
That's my number one. My number two is going to
be the Memphis Grizzlies.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Who shots fired. I mean, yes, yes that was low hand.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
It was laying fruit. But you you grab that fruit,
you bit that fruit and you ate that fruit. The
last one is going to be the Orlando Magic. And
the reason is they played great basketball just to put
themselves in position, right they won what was it, it
was like nine out of twelve to get into the
(32:36):
playing game, or to get to where they are in
the play game, play their best basketball, good young players.
Paula Boncarro, I think is a star. I'll go with
Orlando as their third best team, third best team remaining.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
We've got four present head coaching openings in the NBA,
and I want you to rank the top three. So
the openings is of right now, the Phoenix Suns, Denver, Memphis,
and the Sacramento Kames.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
How do you want to what order? Do you want
to rate them in?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Top three? Best job opening us most of Well, that's
kind of that's kind of up in the air. So
I mean, I mean, look, you can you can certainly
add in the Spurs if you'd like, though, I don't
have any idea what you're talking about, but hey, it's
your show.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I think the Spurs are the best job, that Grizzlies
the second best job.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
The one's left for Denver, the Phoenix Suns and Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Hey, yeah, then Denver. Denver's the third best job. Okay,
I got a hold on your Yeah, but yet to
coach Sho Kitch, but you have to.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You don't know him. Kind of got tread lightly. That's
not easy.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Stand by for a bitter Kevin Durant tweet in three
to two never mind. Okay, speaking of three two to one,
I want you to rank the Southern California Major League
Baseball teams that are off to the best starts.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
This season.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
We have the San Diego Padres at fourteen and three,
the Dodgers at twelve and six, and surprisingly the Angels
at nine and six are in first place in the
American League West. Rank the top three SoCal Baseball teams.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
That's a great question. I'll do Angels three, Padres two,
Dodgers one.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Okay. By the way, to add to the vitriol of
Padre fans out there, So, there was a five point
one earthquake in San Diego in the San Diego area yesterday.
It was very significant and people on social media were posting, Wow,
that was a big earthquake. I hope the Padres trophy
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case wasn't damaged. And it's just a picture of a
big banner saying beat the Dodgers in the NLDS. All right,
final item, because of the particular day it is, I
want you to rank the three worst things about doing taxes.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Two, I would say handwriting things down.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Three right, your hand gets sore.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Two would be realizing how much you spent. And the
worst part is how much you actually make.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I mean, I don't know if anybody around here has
this problem, but I get my tax is taken out
at each paycheck, so I'm like, okay, and then I
still wind up on a boatload of other money at
the end of the year. I don't know how that is.
And that concludes a bitter note on this edition of
Game Time.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Game This is Game Time on the Doug Gottlaf Show.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yes's Doug Gotlab Show.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It's Fox Sports Radio. Okay, coming up next hour. Oh,
we got a good hour for you. So Doug Gotlap
Show live from the Tirak dot com studios. I'll give
you my reaction to Nico Harrison's closed door session and
we'll discuss it.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Nico Harrison said two words that it just sounds so
strong if you like him and so obtuse if you don't,
we'll discuss those two words.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Next. This is Doug Gotlib Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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