July 11, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug reacts to an opinion that JJ Redick's hiring with the Lakers is racist. Doug welcomes FSR NBA Insider Mark Medina onto the show to talk about Team USA, Bronny James and all of the other major headlines around the NBA. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a Thursday edition of "The Press".
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I parachuting in a car dealership. It ain't any different
than people parachuting in on what we do and trying
to say, hey, why don't you do this? Why don't
you do that? Not understanding, not understanding the context of it.
I've said it before. You know. So many people made
fun of ESPN's halftime show during the NBA Finals where
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they're on for a minute and then they go to
break and they come in, come in, and they got
like six minutes. They're like, why don't they do it
like TNT Because TNT's cable. It's completely different than Network
TV and network TV breaks. Should they change it? Of
course they should. But in the meantime, you're you have
to pay the bills. It was only a five game series,
and you know, ESPN, ABC have to get their money back.
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The best way to get their money back has run
as many ads in content when people want to watch
as possible. I bring that up because there's someone named
doctor Umar Johnson. Have we do we know who doctor
Umar Johnson is? And I don't mean that in a way,
in a cynical way. I literally have no idea who
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doctor Umar Johnson.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
His Wikipedia says that he's a doctor, and I looked
it up. He's got a PhD. There's a doctor of
clinical psychology.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Okay, but he is.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Wikipedia claims that he is a black activist and a
motivational speaker. And I think he's a frequent guest on
The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay, and then The Breakfast Club, not the movie The
Breakfast Club, that's right, right, But The Breakfast Club is
a radio show in podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Right radio show in New York, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, DJMV Charlemagne, the God and Jess Hilarious. It is
an iHeart radio show, right, iHeartRadio show. And they've been
nationally syndicated since twenty thirteen. So doctor Umar Johnson was
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on the Breakfast Club yesterday. He had a lot of
things to say. I want you to listen to this
in its entirety and then we'll talk about it.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I'm disappointed in Black America because I feel like they're
attacking Brownie more than JJ. I agree with how the
hell is Bronnie James getting all this heat from Black America,
but JJ Reddick ain't getting all the seat.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
JJ Reddigan never won nothing. He ain't went nothing in college,
He ain't win nothing in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
He won no MVP.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't know if he was ever a first team
offense or defense, maybe once or twice, but he They
clearly don't have the record of a Sam Kassel. Sam
Consell should have been offered that Lakers job, and if
not the Lakers job, one of the coaching vacancies. Look
at all these good black assistant coaches out there who
are being overlooked for white privilege. JJ Reddick did not
earn that position. They gave it to him. But rather
than attack that, were going to attack the nineteen year
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old kid. I want Lebron to play with his son
because the optics of that I think will be very
positive for young black males. And I think it could
be a small motivation for black men to do more
with their sons and more with our boys. So I
want to see Lebron and Bronnie on the same court.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Okay, So there's a lot to unpack there. He likes
the idea of bron and Brownie on the same court,
for black parents to support their black children. Okay. You
know I'm gonna disagree with it. You know I've told
you before. I think it's the Peter principal. I think
he end up doing more harm putting your kid out
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there when he's not ready, not good enough. You do
during during good because you want to be the first
to do this. You want to force it to happen.
But again, if the organization allows you to do that,
they allow you to do that. The main issue I
would have with that is this assertion that like Sam,
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I guess is Sam Kassell his.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
What's the assistant with? I guess he's with now he's
with UCLA. He's the Oupensis Cordney with UCLA. Right used
to be with Washington last year? And Eric b enemy
Sam Cassell his Eric b enemy. That's what we're doing now.
A right one example, you know, is that what we're doing,
we're doing the Eric being like he doesn't get jobs
because he's black or something. I don't know. I like
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Sam Cassell. I know that the Lakers try to hire
Sam Cassell as an assistant coach. He turned it down
because he's the head assistant with the Boston Celtics. H
But but the insinuation that there's all of these quality
black assistant coaches, that white privilege is having JJ Reddick
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and other white coaches get the job is laughable and
it's uninformed, and it's somebody who you're a doctor of psychology, psychology,
you clearly don't know anything about the NBA, and what
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happens is you start a narrative and like you can't
go on every show and just go like, no, that's
wrong when he starts something that's you know, I mean,
there's sixteen of the thirty coaches in the NBA are
in fact black. They are, so I'm not really sure.
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And if it's JJ Reddick got this opportunity only because
he's white and he didn't win a championship and he
wasn't first team All offense, which isn't a first team
all offense knows their second team, nor is he an MVP.
Like now we're starting to get to okay, So Joe
Missoula is mixed race, never played in the NBA, didn't
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win a championship, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
was a Division two coach a couple of years ago.
Like it, what are your qualifications? But the insinuation that
the NBA is racist because they because JJ Reddick got
the Laker job, It's not even laughable. It's offensive because again,
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idiot on Twitter can say this, I guess, or on
Reddick can say this, But when you're speaking into a
microphone and calling everybody and anybody racist and using terms
like white privilege, like what are you talking about? Look,
I've said it before. I didn't. There's no one necessarily
I earned the job at Green Bay. My path is different.
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There's lots of different paths. If you don't think that
JJ Reddick should have gotten the job, then you need
to also say that I don't think that Jason Kidd
should have gotten the job when he got it, or
that Doc Rivers should have gotten any of the jobs
that he got. Doc Rivers was a player and a
good one. Then he became a broadcaster. Then he became
a head coach. There was no being an assistant coach
to anybody. Steve Kerr has been the most successful coach
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the most recent dynasty. Steve Kerr was never a coach.
He was the general manager of the Suns and frankly,
they got worse, not better when he took over. I
think that's because the owner made him take shack. But
that's regardless. To the point point is there was nothing
that said he was going to be a good NBA coach.
He became a great NBA coach. Some guys like Eric
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Spoltzer start through the film room. Now, Eric Spolzer wouldn't
have gotten to the film room now for the fact
his dad was a longtime GM in the NBA. But
how have we gotten to this point to where doctors
of psychology are so woke that they're going to call
the NBA, of all places, is not one to be
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called to unless if you really want to get down
to racial biases. It's can be more anti white than
and definitely than anti black. Just call it as it is.
JJ Riddick was not an MVP, he did not win
NBA championship. But if there are thirty NBA coaches, I
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would guess he had a better NBA career than twenty
eight of them without even looking. Remember when JJ Ridick
was drafted, I know because I was actually there. It's
actually something I do for a living. People clown the
Orlando Magic Wow way too high for a doochie, and
it took him a while and he came around. He
ultimately lived up to that where he was drafted, became
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one of the best picks in his draft class. And
would I would say, like in basketball, if we're honest,
there's probably black privilege and it's probably been earned because
for the most part, the game has been dominated up
until recently and still by black men. Right. So the
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truth is, when you're white and trying to make it
in the NBA, it's harder because everybody thinks you can't move,
you can't guard, you're not tough. And clearly fans like
this fanboy who's some doctor of psychology and go on
a wildly successful radio show and just view lies because
what he wants Brownie to play with his dad. And again,
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it's all if the shoe was on the other foot, right,
isn't that the fair argument? I mean, pick any player,
any aging white player in the NBA. Can you imagine
if I mean, who's the if JJ had his son
when he was playing the NBA or we want to
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get to better? Uh like if Dirk had a son
late in Dirk's career when he was hobbling around, it
took him two years, two hours of work with his
body guy just to get him ready on a daily
basis to play. If Dirk said I got a son,
I want him to play with me, we would have
screamed at the mountaintops lebron thing. Yeah, there's been some
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people pointing to nepotism, but they've actually gone like, yeah,
nepotism happens everywhere. Okay, so that makes it, Okay, what
are we doing? He's not good enough? This is silly.
We've dedicated way too much time. Nobody's hating on Bronnie James. Hey,
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and again, this is the same problem that WNBA players have.
Is the same problem that this doctor is it Omar?
Is that his last name?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Doctor Umar Johnson.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Umar Johnson, doctor Lumar Johnson. Same problem. It's if you
want to be judged like the rest of the world
in the NBA then as a second round pick. So far,
he has looked like a terrible draft pick. Again, that's
if you're just judging. Just if it's anybody else at
fifty five selected and he watched him play, you're like, dude,
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you drafted him fifty five. A six ' one to
two guard that doesn't want any part of handling the basketball,
that wants to stand in the corner and guard the
guy in the corner like that. That's what we're doing.
That that's how it actually, that's actually a real basketball
piece of analysis. You know, anybody who has been associated
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and I'll just tell you, I was a coach's son,
and when I was going into my freshman year, I'm
sure there were so many people thought I didn't belong
And I was playing with all these different college and
kids that were going to college and they were stars,
and every every team is like this, They're all like this.
I mean, LaMelo ball was like this. He played with
his older brothers. He was tiny, and you're like, man,
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why are they playing him? And most of us who
watch like, LaMelo's going to be better than the rest
of them because he's fearless despite the fact that he's
two or three years younger and at the time he
was six or seven inches smaller than anybody who was
playing against. But you go around to AU tournaments and
this is AAU season and you will see plenty of
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these teams with star after star for star, and then
there's a kid that you're like, why is he there?
Like coaches said, coach gets him in there, and you're
always torn rid of the coach, Like, I don't really
want to coach unless my son plays, but I don't
want my son to play at a level that he's
not capable of playing at. So I don't really want
to coach unless it's a level capable of playing at.
But I will also want to be able to compete
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and win. That's basically what Lebron has done to the
NBA is he's turned it into an AAU team where
we're playing daddy ball. And I'm not somebody who thinks
he stinks. I'm just telling you he's just not at
that level. There are a myriad of levels in AU.
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Best when you know you go these AU events at
the youth level, they have copper, bronze, silver, gold, and
sometimes platinum, and there's nothing wrong with being a silver
player or a bronze player, just to find the right
level for you so you can compete and maybe find
a way to have the ball go in the bucket.
There's different levels of college basketball. There's ANIA Division two,
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ANAIA D three, D two, D one. There's different levels
of D one. We're a mid major. We're a mid major.
There's low majors as well. There's high majors. There's elite,
super elite high majors. That's the yukonsa Kansas, the Kentucky's,
the Dukes, the Arizona's. I'm sure I'm in the North
Carolina's of this world, Indiana's of this world. It's the
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same sport, but a different level. He's not on that level.
And the only retort now is gotta be racism. You
knew that was coming, right, Like it's so tired and
so overused. Then what happens is when real racism does exist,
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those of us who are clearly against Most people are
I would say ninety eight to ninety nine percent of
people are clearly against racism, but there's a high percentage
of us who were against racism. Like, dude, you just
keep calling everything racism when is not. Plenty of people
were critical of JJ Reddick being hired, but there's also
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precedents for it working for it not working. Plenty of
people were critical of Ronnie James being drafted. There are
a few instances of it working. There are plenty of
instances of it not working. It doesn't have anything to
do with race and going to race as the default argument.
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It's just tired and I'm not axious, and more than anything,
ridiculously and remarkably inaccurate, because whoever doctor Umar Johnson is
has failed to understand that this has happened plenty of
times in the NBA, some of them successful, some of
them not successful. I would say Steve Currz's a success story.
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I would say Jason Kids a success story. I would
say Doc Rivers success story. Neither of them coached a
day in their life before they became a head coach
in the NBA.
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our teammates? I've told you our team expression for the year,
haven't I? Jay stew I don't know motto? Yeah, what's
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the motto?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Were you?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Our motto is walk Walk And I think that's the
biggest issue with the next topic is that Dylan Brooks
does not walk the walk. This is Dylan Brooks before
last night's game. You know, he plays Canadian plays your
team Canada against Tmosa. To your personal view about what
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chays not only Wednesday, but when you get to Paris
and probably someth United States and not how loud we do.
We got to park. You gotta every team that asks
them maybe just has the harness. The scot against us. Uh, yeah,
they got a guard. They held you to seventy two points.
You know, the thing about Dylan Brooks is there's a
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lot of Hoff and Bravado, but you gotta walk the walk. Buddy,
Can we cue his theme music please? Because I think
only we only have one guest that has his own
theme music, right, I do believe that? Yeah? All right,
when we talk NBA, we always like to talk to
our Fox Sports Radio insider his name is Mark Medina.
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I like it. Mark joins us here on the Doug
Ottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio inside the tiraq dot com studio. Mark,
where are we? Where are you joined us from?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
From LA? But I'll be in Vegas tomorrow for Summer League.
I know this is wishful thinking, dog Bob. I'm just
gonna put it out in the universe. I'm envisioning the
casinos playing that theme music after I walk off the
road way.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Oh, that would be. That would be very very cool.
That would be. That would be very very very very cool.
Uh Yeah, Like I pictured that's gonna be on like
your social media page, like all of a sudden, like
you walk into the casinos and like everybody stops and
they start playing your theme music and you're walking down
like through the craps tables, guys are turning over their
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shore like, well, let's key is.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
It happens after a cash out? But I mean it
seems like both scenarios are unlikely, but you know, just
throw it out.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
There, Okay, Mark. What's been the reaction to Bronnie's two
games in Summer League for the Risk?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yeah, I think it's been what we expected that you know,
he is a work in progress, big time work in progress.
You know, he hasn't been able to find his shot.
I think that there's you know, I want to say
participation trophy praise, but hey, he's hustling, he's trying to
play the right way, he's being aggressive, but he needs reps.
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And I know that obviously this is what summer league's
all about, but there's a difference between summer league reps
versus actual reps in the regular season. And you know, Doug,
you and I have chat about what we feel about
the draft with Brownie, Like I'm not too outragingly because
it's fifty fifth pick, but I agree with the larger
concerns that you've had this past year that you know,
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if he's someone that he eats to develop, that means
you got to play on the court, and I don't
think that's really going to be in the cards of
this season for obvious reasons. But at least in the
summer league, this is going to give him some chance
to work on that. But it's summer league.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It's very limited, sure, and I guess I guess now
my question becomes, you know, you have a lot of
people saying, you know, Brian needs to be more aggressive.
You know, he needs to try and take over more.
He needs to have, you know, more of a scores
mentalities like he's never had that. He never had thirty
points in a high school game. Yeah, okay, I mean
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he didn't have twenty points in a college game, Like,
he's never had that. And it's hard enough to play
at this level and just survive, let alone, to try
and take over a game when you've never taken over games.
It's just not who he is.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Yeah, And I don't think that he should be that player.
I mean, I think it's more about just improving his
shooting accuracy. So when he does take shots that goes in,
you know, is making the right basketball decision, the right pass,
showing a comfort level. I think that he has the
ingredients to play the right way and be a solid
role player. But you know, at this point in time,
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his upside seems to be like that's the best case scenario.
So because of the fact that he is where he's
at in his development. He didn't really play much his
freshman season at the USC because of the limited workload
with from the cardiac arrest. He needs game reps and
he needs a lot of them. And again this is
good for Summer League. Like I talked with warm Legarry,
the longtime executive director there. He said they're own a
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verge of a sellout, Like he entertained the idea down
from like an atmosphere interest standpoint, This could rank highest
in Summer League. But this is summer league, this isn't
NBA regular season, So this is going to be beneficial
for him, but we all have to keep in perspective
that it can only do so much because of the
quality of competition.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Stet gottlib Schell here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of Mark Medina. Thus starting to sort of settle, right,
we see DeMar derozen in Sacramento. Are there any other
moves on the horizon that you're hearing about?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Well, I think we always have to keep an open
door in case the Chicago Bulls can find a trade
partner for Zach Lavine, in case the Atlanta Hawks find
a trade partner for Trey Young. But I think that
both players have faced the pressed markets for two reasons.
I mean, the overall theme that we've seen in free
agency is that the second Apron concerns are a thing
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the teams that want to make deals, like the Lakers,
they don't have necessarily attractive assets to make a deal.
But I think it also points to some discomfort level
that teams have in both of those players. Zach Lavine
great score, but a lot of concerns about his durability
coming off his injuries last season. Trey Young, great scorer,
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but you know, is it worth the price of giving
up decent depth when he hasn't consistently helped the Hawks
lead a winning basketball least since that playoff run in
twenty two twenty one. So I think, really those are
the only possibilities. But I think everything else is in
store here, not dramatic fireworks this free agency like was
in the past, But I think again that had a
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lot to do with the second Apron concerns that we
talked about, but also the fact that we're past the
era of marquee free agents, you know, meeting with teams
because those guys are always eligible for extensions and we
get a lot more clarity on you know, future with
them staying with the team or game trade it well
before official free agency starts.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
KWHI Leonard pulls out of the the the summer Olympic team,
the men's national team. He tried to give it a go.
He couldn't. He couldn't do it, He couldn't compete. What
what it's It's just the knee. Does he believe the
knee will ever get back to one hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (23:51):
WELLY can't we? I think I don't think we can
ever assume that will that Kawhi Leonard will be one
hundred percent. But I thought what was italian was after
twoay's practice, Kawhi Leonard described his knee as in a
neutral state, meaning hadn't gotten significantly better, but it hadn't
gotten significantly worse. But at least it got better that
he was able to practice without restrictions and participating controlled scrimmages.
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And so with all this, Doug, I'm not surprised that
this happened with Kawhi Leonard. I mean, this has been
the story with his time with the Clippers for the
last five years, and always something happens with his health.
But I will admit I was a little bit surprised
just because of how abrupt it happens. Like Steve Kerr
was talking all week on how he looked, he looked fine,
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there was no limitations, I asked Hylu point blank, because
I observed that Lawrence Frank and some of the Clippers
front office have been observing practice on to what extent
have the Clippers front office Tie as an assistant and
Steve Kerr as the head coach, been working together to
figure out what his workloads looked like in practice and
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in the games. And he said, look, he doesn't have
any men's restrictions. He's looking great, and I think that
this will be the first time ever in his career
he'll play five on five. So, outside of the fact
that maybe Tyler was just gowing a white war out right, wye,
I think it just also illustrates the fluidity of how
tenuous Hawai's health is always on a day to day basis.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Why why are you hearing they chose UH to pass
on on Jalen Brown for example, and instead, you know,
take a take a point guard and Derek White, who
I don't think anybody would say is a top top five,
top ten point guard in the league.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I think Jalen Brown
should be on the team. I think Jalen Bronson should
be on the team. USA Basketball and Grant Hill and
everyone else. They don't give official answers here, but if
I had to take some educated guesses, I think there
was a few things in play. They were evaluating the
roster prior to how Jalen Brown performed this season them
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and I think that they were comfortable more comfortable with
leaning on familiarity and continuity. So Derek White, he's on
the Tokyo Olympics, he got a lot of rave reviews
within that coaching staff with doing what Derek White does.
Devin Booker, we can look at how he is with
the Suns and the give and take he's had with
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how he is as a score, how he's evolved as
a playmaker. But at least from Tmusa's perspective, they felt
that he has fit in with the team concept well.
So with that, I can't help but conclude they had
at least relative concerns. It's not majority concerns because these
are all Hall of Fame AL Star caliber players, but
that Jalen Brown is more of a score. But look,
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we saw him get finals MVPV because he played really
good defense against Luka Dantos. Even though Jalen Brown's instinct
is to score first. To his credit, he improved as
a playmaker this year, so I think he would have
been the obvious choice. But it's not like they can
go wrong with Derek White. It's just that Jaylen Brown
clearly is the better player.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I think he's clearly the better player. The question is
is he a better fit? And then how does he
fit in international competition? All these things we don't know.
But man, I did not see Grant and Hill catch
in all this heat before this thing started. To now
now he is Mark. Thanks so much for join us. Man,
have a safe trip to Vegas, and we also hope
you're strutting through, strutting through the rio and and and
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enjoying the fruits of your of your labor.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Well, do fingers cross on the craps tables and the
rolette tables, and if that happens, I'm sure some will
post that song and post a video vote.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah. I can also tell you that Jay Stu has
a whole system for playing craps, work collectively down eight
hundred within that system when I played with him, So
you can call him and just do whatever do the
opposite of whatever he does. With Jay.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
I've heard the stories on the show over the years,
so I will play it back and consult with them.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
We'll talk off air.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Mark, we'll talk off fair enough.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
That's Mark Mendina and of course our guys Jason here.
Thanks Mark. Mark Ardina is our Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider.
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Skens did in Milwaukee today? If you did, wait to
hear it, it's next.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
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Speaker 1 (28:50):
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Isaac long Crown, what's in the press place.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
No other way to describe it. It is indeed a
national outrage. What just took place in Milwaukee is pirates.
Rookie pitcher Paul Skeens had a no hitter going through
seven full innings against the Brewers today. He struck out
eleven thrown just ninety nine pitchers. Despite that, he was
pulled from the game. Reliever Colin Holderman promptly allowed base
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hits to the first two batters he faced leading off
the bottle of the eight. I think pirates did go
on to win the game, won nothing. No word y
out on the rumor that Skens was pulled because he
didn't want to overshadow Wisconsin. Green Bay head coach Doug
gottliebs throwing out of the first pitch tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, Paul Skeins getting nothing on me. I mean, listen,
I just if the Brewers asked me to throw later
on the season, I think I'm just gonna have to
tell him. Okay, I mean I'll taking a third job
for that, right. I mean, the month of August is
pretty light. Our guys go home like August eleventh, so
we'll be good after that. I got a bat toil
Labor Day. And then you know, if they go to
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the playoffs, they you know, you can expand the rosters.
But how with this one? Rahem Palmer tweets out sports
really sucked Now, Paul sken says a no hitter, they
pull him because of a pitch count? What are we doing?
To your point?
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Completely agree, I mean that's the truth. By the way,
have you ever thrown out a ceremonial first pitch before?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Okay, how'd you do? If you don't mind my asking?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Uh, it was up and I got late movement. You
know my ball tales, I throw two seamer tails up
and in. So you know, I think a right handed
hitter would have swung at and missed, but I think
a lefty would have probably taken it for a ball,
or could have taken it appo especially you know that
little little short curved part of left field of the
big A. But it was an angel song. Okay, kay?
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Of so major League Ballpark?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Good?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
So so you nervous?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Uh Nokay? No, I mean I'm my only My only
hesitation is my son and I play catch all the time.
He's been gone to camp and I've been here working,
so I haven't thrown a baseball in a couple of weeks.
But I think we work that out tonight.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
I think, Okay, look.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think I get the mechanism going.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Get buyer down there to catch for you.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
From from Merrill, this kind of just came down, and
it's interesting to see what kind of legs this is
gonna have. So there's this event, the American Century Championship
of Golf in Lake Tahoe, and it's like the celebrity
pro am type bail. So anyway, Aaron Rodgers was coming
off the course today and he was interviewed by an
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outfit called Vegas Sports Today, and it's kind of that
TMZ style interview where they're the paparazzi guy has the
camera and he's interviewing the guy outside of LAX. So
we asked him a few questions, first of all about
Raiders new offensive coordinator Luke Getzi, and then about DeVante Adams.
And I'll play it for you right now if you
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listen closely, Aaron Rodgers says about Davante Adams quote, I
can't wait to play with him again.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Listen closely.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Do you think Luke Getsy's going to utilize DeVante Adams
good in the new Raiders offense?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I love Luke Getzi, He's a fantastic coach. Awesome. Then
I love Davante. I can't wait to play with him
outside again. Great. I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Yeah, so again, Aaron Rodgers on Davante Adams quote, I
can't wait to play with him again?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Hm hm hm hm. Do we think that happens?
Speaker 7 (33:35):
I mean, eventually, But I'm more fascinated to see how much,
if at all, this story is going to age.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
There's nothing else going on. Right now, there you go.
You know, nothing else going on? Of course, absolutely.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Good for you. Vegas Sports today all right. Elsewhere in
the National Football League, former New England Patriots head coach
Bill Belichick continues to expand his sports media empire.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
He will join the.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
TV show Inside the NFL as an analyst for the
upcoming twenty twenty four season.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I actually like this. I mean, obviously Inside the NFL
is not what it used to be, but a taped
show I think is the best way for Bill Belichick.
And I mean, just give him his own desk, give
him his own producers, let him cut up tape, let
him teach us something. How could it be bad?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
What do you think about the fact, though, that this
was a guy who was notoriously prickly difficult at best
and rude to the media people who were in the
trenches covering him day to day throughout his career. Yet
the second he retires he becomes mister happy pants.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I would only push back in that I'm not sure
if you would characterize him as always rude, just he
was just monotone and.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
Yeah, okay, fair point.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
He was laconic, laconic, he gave the shortest possible answers.
I think that's where Ilo is going with this. Okay,
you need to be loquacious on TV. Loquacious opposite. Okay,
fair analysis of the situation, and our next item in
the NFL free agent safety Jamal Adams, most recently now
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agreeing to a one year deal with the Tennessee Titans
after his previous stop with the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
There has to be somebody who's there, who is with
him in New York because it did not work in
Seattle at all, and it did not end well. And
I'm not sure it ended well in New York. But
talented box safety, the guy who's a very good run stopper,
just not great against the past.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Right, Well, what did what did you call the team
that he used to play on? I'm sorry, what did
you call the team that he used to play on?
The Seattle Seahawks? For this show? Is how we could
brand this? Could we forever call them the Seahawks to.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
I knew you were going there. I knew you were
going there.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You're showing the country calls them the Seahawks.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Toua Yet, Well, you have to have the proper entree
and what I'm saying, is how about who's the quarterback
of the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
I'm just saying, don't steal my fantasy football name team.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Okay, how many fantasy ball the team names are gonna be.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Mine's going to be a j Hawk to a tongue
of I looa our heie. That's good.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
So I'm just saying a potential contract extension hasn't happened
yet for him, it's obviously going to happen, so it's
a pipe dream. So maybe ten years away when it'll
be totally irrelevant. We can drop that reference if he
does sign with the Seattle Seahawks, but not in this case.
And that is the press.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I get out there and pressed.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
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my team play in TBT, and yeah, Paul Skins shut
down because he was too good. And oh yeah, by
the way, the Pirates did in fact win. But eleven
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strikeouts is obscene and he only threw ninety nine pitches. Really,
that's where we are. That's where we are in sports.
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don't care what profession you are, I guarantee that's. You know,
I'm in the market for a car, and I know
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But that's like me coming in a car dealership and
they're like, well, mister Godley, you know the twenty twenty
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fours and me going, hey, I know this. Twenty twenty
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Hes don't. It's a limited inventory. They've limited the inventory,
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which keeps the price high. And the point is, like
I parachuting in a car dealership. It ain't any different
than people parachuting in on what we do and trying
to say, hey, why don't you do this? Why don't
you do that? Not understanding, not understanding the context of it.
I've said it before. You know. So many people made
fun of ESPN's halftime show during the NBA Finals where
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they're on for a minute and then they go to
break and they come in, come in, and they got
like six minutes. They're like, why don't they do it
like TNT Because TNT's cable. It's completely different than Network
TV and network TV breaks. Should they change it? Of
course they should. But in the meantime, you're you have
to pay the bills. It was only a five game series,
and you know, ESPN, ABC have to get their money back.
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The best way to get their money back has run
as many ads in content when people want to watch
as possible. I bring that up because there's someone named
doctor Umar Johnson. Have we do we know who doctor
Umar Johnson is? And I don't mean that in a way,
in a cynical way. I literally have no idea who
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doctor Umar Johnson.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
His Wikipedia says that he's a doctor, and I looked
it up. He's got a PhD. There's a doctor of
clinical psychology.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Okay, but he is.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Wikipedia claims that he is a black activist and a
motivational speaker. And I think he's a frequent guest on
The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay, and then The Breakfast Club, not the movie The
Breakfast Club, that's right, right, But The Breakfast Club is
a radio show in podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Right radio show in New York, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, DJMV Charlemagne, the God and Jess Hilarious. It is
an iHeart radio show, right, iHeartRadio show. And they've been
nationally syndicated since twenty thirteen. So doctor Umar Johnson was
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on the Breakfast Club yesterday. He had a lot of
things to say. I want you to listen to this
in its entirety and then we'll talk about it.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I'm disappointed in Black America because I feel like they're
attacking Brownie more than JJ. I agree with how the
hell is Bronnie James getting all this heat from Black America,
but JJ Reddick ain't getting all the seat.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
JJ Reddigan never won nothing. He ain't went nothing in college,
He ain't win nothing in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
He won no MVP.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't know if he was ever a first team
offense or defense, maybe once or twice, but he They
clearly don't have the record of a Sam Kassel. Sam
Consell should have been offered that Lakers job, and if
not the Lakers job, one of the coaching vacancies. Look
at all these good black assistant coaches out there who
are being overlooked for white privilege. JJ Reddick did not
earn that position. They gave it to him. But rather
than attack that, were going to attack the nineteen year
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old kid. I want Lebron to play with his son
because the optics of that I think will be very
positive for young black males. And I think it could
be a small motivation for black men to do more
with their sons and more with our boys. So I
want to see Lebron and Bronnie on the same court.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Okay, So there's a lot to unpack there. He likes
the idea of bron and Brownie on the same court,
for black parents to support their black children. Okay. You
know I'm gonna disagree with it. You know I've told
you before. I think it's the Peter principal. I think
he end up doing more harm putting your kid out
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there when he's not ready, not good enough. You do
during during good because you want to be the first
to do this. You want to force it to happen.
But again, if the organization allows you to do that,
they allow you to do that. The main issue I
would have with that is this assertion that like Sam,
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I guess is Sam Kassell his.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
What's the assistant with? I guess he's with now he's
with UCLA. He's the Oupensis Cordney with UCLA. Right used
to be with Washington last year? And Eric b enemy
Sam Cassell his Eric b enemy. That's what we're doing now.
A right one example, you know, is that what we're doing,
we're doing the Eric being like he doesn't get jobs
because he's black or something. I don't know. I like
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Sam Cassell. I know that the Lakers try to hire
Sam Cassell as an assistant coach. He turned it down
because he's the head assistant with the Boston Celtics. H
But but the insinuation that there's all of these quality
black assistant coaches, that white privilege is having JJ Reddick
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and other white coaches get the job is laughable and
it's uninformed, and it's somebody who you're a doctor of psychology, psychology,
you clearly don't know anything about the NBA, and what
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happens is you start a narrative and like you can't
go on every show and just go like, no, that's
wrong when he starts something that's you know, I mean,
there's sixteen of the thirty coaches in the NBA are
in fact black. They are, so I'm not really sure.
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And if it's JJ Reddick got this opportunity only because
he's white and he didn't win a championship and he
wasn't first team All offense, which isn't a first team
all offense knows their second team, nor is he an MVP.
Like now we're starting to get to okay, So Joe
Missoula is mixed race, never played in the NBA, didn't
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win a championship, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
was a Division two coach a couple of years ago.
Like it, what are your qualifications? But the insinuation that
the NBA is racist because they because JJ Reddick got
the Laker job, It's not even laughable. It's offensive because again,
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idiot on Twitter can say this, I guess, or on
Reddick can say this, But when you're speaking into a
microphone and calling everybody and anybody racist and using terms
like white privilege, like what are you talking about? Look,
I've said it before. I didn't. There's no one necessarily
I earned the job at Green Bay. My path is different.
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There's lots of different paths. If you don't think that
JJ Reddick should have gotten the job, then you need
to also say that I don't think that Jason Kidd
should have gotten the job when he got it, or
that Doc Rivers should have gotten any of the jobs
that he got. Doc Rivers was a player and a
good one. Then he became a broadcaster. Then he became
a head coach. There was no being an assistant coach
to anybody. Steve Kerr has been the most successful coach
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the most recent dynasty. Steve Kerr was never a coach.
He was the general manager of the Suns and frankly,
they got worse, not better when he took over. I
think that's because the owner made him take shack. But
that's regardless. To the point point is there was nothing
that said he was going to be a good NBA coach.
He became a great NBA coach. Some guys like Eric
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Spoltzer start through the film room. Now, Eric Spolzer wouldn't
have gotten to the film room now for the fact
his dad was a longtime GM in the NBA. But
how have we gotten to this point to where doctors
of psychology are so woke that they're going to call
the NBA, of all places, is not one to be
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called to unless if you really want to get down
to racial biases. It's can be more anti white than
and definitely than anti black. Just call it as it is.
JJ Riddick was not an MVP, he did not win
NBA championship. But if there are thirty NBA coaches, I
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would guess he had a better NBA career than twenty
eight of them without even looking. Remember when JJ Ridick
was drafted, I know because I was actually there. It's
actually something I do for a living. People clown the
Orlando Magic Wow way too high for a doochie, and
it took him a while and he came around. He
ultimately lived up to that where he was drafted, became
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one of the best picks in his draft class. And
would I would say, like in basketball, if we're honest,
there's probably black privilege and it's probably been earned because
for the most part, the game has been dominated up
until recently and still by black men. Right. So the
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truth is, when you're white and trying to make it
in the NBA, it's harder because everybody thinks you can't move,
you can't guard, you're not tough. And clearly fans like
this fanboy who's some doctor of psychology and go on
a wildly successful radio show and just view lies because
what he wants Brownie to play with his dad. And again,
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it's all if the shoe was on the other foot, right,
isn't that the fair argument? I mean, pick any player,
any aging white player in the NBA. Can you imagine
if I mean, who's the if JJ had his son
when he was playing the NBA or we want to
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get to better? Uh like if Dirk had a son
late in Dirk's career when he was hobbling around, it
took him two years, two hours of work with his
body guy just to get him ready on a daily
basis to play. If Dirk said I got a son,
I want him to play with me, we would have
screamed at the mountaintops lebron thing. Yeah, there's been some
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people pointing to nepotism, but they've actually gone like, yeah,
nepotism happens everywhere. Okay, so that makes it, Okay, what
are we doing? He's not good enough? This is silly.
We've dedicated way too much time. Nobody's hating on Bronnie James. Hey,
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and again, this is the same problem that WNBA players have.
Is the same problem that this doctor is it Omar?
Is that his last name?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Doctor Umar Johnson.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Umar Johnson, doctor Lumar Johnson. Same problem. It's if you
want to be judged like the rest of the world
in the NBA then as a second round pick. So far,
he has looked like a terrible draft pick. Again, that's
if you're just judging. Just if it's anybody else at
fifty five selected and he watched him play, you're like, dude,
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you drafted him fifty five. A six ' one to
two guard that doesn't want any part of handling the basketball,
that wants to stand in the corner and guard the
guy in the corner like that. That's what we're doing.
That that's how it actually, that's actually a real basketball
piece of analysis. You know, anybody who has been associated
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and I'll just tell you, I was a coach's son,
and when I was going into my freshman year, I'm
sure there were so many people thought I didn't belong
And I was playing with all these different college and
kids that were going to college and they were stars,
and every every team is like this, They're all like this.
I mean, LaMelo ball was like this. He played with
his older brothers. He was tiny, and you're like, man,
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why are they playing him? And most of us who
watch like, LaMelo's going to be better than the rest
of them because he's fearless despite the fact that he's
two or three years younger and at the time he
was six or seven inches smaller than anybody who was
playing against. But you go around to AU tournaments and
this is AAU season and you will see plenty of
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these teams with star after star for star, and then
there's a kid that you're like, why is he there?
Like coaches said, coach gets him in there, and you're
always torn rid of the coach, Like, I don't really
want to coach unless my son plays, but I don't
want my son to play at a level that he's
not capable of playing at. So I don't really want
to coach unless it's a level capable of playing at.
But I will also want to be able to compete
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and win. That's basically what Lebron has done to the
NBA is he's turned it into an AAU team where
we're playing daddy ball. And I'm not somebody who thinks
he stinks. I'm just telling you he's just not at
that level. There are a myriad of levels in AU.
(14:06):
Best when you know you go these AU events at
the youth level, they have copper, bronze, silver, gold, and
sometimes platinum, and there's nothing wrong with being a silver
player or a bronze player, just to find the right
level for you so you can compete and maybe find
a way to have the ball go in the bucket.
There's different levels of college basketball. There's ANIA Division two,
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ANAIA D three, D two, D one. There's different levels
of D one. We're a mid major. We're a mid major.
There's low majors as well. There's high majors. There's elite,
super elite high majors. That's the yukonsa Kansas, the Kentucky's,
the Dukes, the Arizona's. I'm sure I'm in the North
Carolina's of this world, Indiana's of this world. It's the
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same sport, but a different level. He's not on that level.
And the only retort now is gotta be racism. You
knew that was coming, right, Like it's so tired and
so overused. Then what happens is when real racism does exist,
(15:15):
those of us who are clearly against Most people are
I would say ninety eight to ninety nine percent of
people are clearly against racism, but there's a high percentage
of us who were against racism. Like, dude, you just
keep calling everything racism when is not. Plenty of people
were critical of JJ Reddick being hired, but there's also
(15:36):
precedents for it working for it not working. Plenty of
people were critical of Ronnie James being drafted. There are
a few instances of it working. There are plenty of
instances of it not working. It doesn't have anything to
do with race and going to race as the default argument.
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It's just tired and I'm not axious, and more than anything,
ridiculously and remarkably inaccurate, because whoever doctor Umar Johnson is
has failed to understand that this has happened plenty of
times in the NBA, some of them successful, some of
them not successful. I would say Steve Currz's a success story.
(16:19):
I would say Jason Kids a success story. I would
say Doc Rivers success story. Neither of them coached a
day in their life before they became a head coach
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're doing well.
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our teammates? I've told you our team expression for the year,
haven't I? Jay stew I don't know motto? Yeah, what's
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the motto?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Were you?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Our motto is walk Walk And I think that's the
biggest issue with the next topic is that Dylan Brooks
does not walk the walk. This is Dylan Brooks before
last night's game. You know, he plays Canadian plays your
team Canada against Tmosa. To your personal view about what
(17:20):
chays not only Wednesday, but when you get to Paris
and probably someth United States and not how loud we do.
We got to park. You gotta every team that asks
them maybe just has the harness. The scot against us. Uh, yeah,
they got a guard. They held you to seventy two points.
You know, the thing about Dylan Brooks is there's a
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lot of Hoff and Bravado, but you gotta walk the walk. Buddy,
Can we cue his theme music please? Because I think
only we only have one guest that has his own
theme music, right, I do believe that? Yeah? All right,
when we talk NBA, we always like to talk to
our Fox Sports Radio insider his name is Mark Medina.
(18:10):
I like it. Mark joins us here on the Doug
Ottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio inside the tiraq dot com studio. Mark,
where are we? Where are you joined us from?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
From LA? But I'll be in Vegas tomorrow for Summer League.
I know this is wishful thinking, dog Bob. I'm just
gonna put it out in the universe. I'm envisioning the
casinos playing that theme music after I walk off the
road way.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Oh, that would be. That would be very very cool.
That would be. That would be very very very very cool.
Uh Yeah, Like I pictured that's gonna be on like
your social media page, like all of a sudden, like
you walk into the casinos and like everybody stops and
they start playing your theme music and you're walking down
like through the craps tables, guys are turning over their
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shore like, well, let's key is.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
It happens after a cash out? But I mean it
seems like both scenarios are unlikely, but you know, just
throw it out.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
There, Okay, Mark. What's been the reaction to Bronnie's two
games in Summer League for the Risk?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yeah, I think it's been what we expected that you know,
he is a work in progress, big time work in progress.
You know, he hasn't been able to find his shot.
I think that there's you know, I want to say
participation trophy praise, but hey, he's hustling, he's trying to
play the right way, he's being aggressive, but he needs reps.
(19:35):
And I know that obviously this is what summer league's
all about, but there's a difference between summer league reps
versus actual reps in the regular season. And you know, Doug,
you and I have chat about what we feel about
the draft with Brownie, Like I'm not too outragingly because
it's fifty fifth pick, but I agree with the larger
concerns that you've had this past year that you know,
(19:58):
if he's someone that he eats to develop, that means
you got to play on the court, and I don't
think that's really going to be in the cards of
this season for obvious reasons. But at least in the
summer league, this is going to give him some chance
to work on that. But it's summer league.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It's very limited, sure, and I guess I guess now
my question becomes, you know, you have a lot of
people saying, you know, Brian needs to be more aggressive.
You know, he needs to try and take over more.
He needs to have, you know, more of a scores
mentalities like he's never had that. He never had thirty
points in a high school game. Yeah, okay, I mean
(20:32):
he didn't have twenty points in a college game, Like,
he's never had that. And it's hard enough to play
at this level and just survive, let alone, to try
and take over a game when you've never taken over games.
It's just not who he is.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Yeah, And I don't think that he should be that player.
I mean, I think it's more about just improving his
shooting accuracy. So when he does take shots that goes in,
you know, is making the right basketball decision, the right pass,
showing a comfort level. I think that he has the
ingredients to play the right way and be a solid
role player. But you know, at this point in time,
(21:07):
his upside seems to be like that's the best case scenario.
So because of the fact that he is where he's
at in his development. He didn't really play much his
freshman season at the USC because of the limited workload
with from the cardiac arrest. He needs game reps and
he needs a lot of them. And again this is
good for Summer League. Like I talked with warm Legarry,
the longtime executive director there. He said they're own a
(21:29):
verge of a sellout, Like he entertained the idea down
from like an atmosphere interest standpoint, This could rank highest
in Summer League. But this is summer league, this isn't
NBA regular season, So this is going to be beneficial
for him, but we all have to keep in perspective
that it can only do so much because of the
quality of competition.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Stet gottlib Schell here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of Mark Medina. Thus starting to sort of settle, right,
we see DeMar derozen in Sacramento. Are there any other
moves on the horizon that you're hearing about?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Well, I think we always have to keep an open
door in case the Chicago Bulls can find a trade
partner for Zach Lavine, in case the Atlanta Hawks find
a trade partner for Trey Young. But I think that
both players have faced the pressed markets for two reasons.
I mean, the overall theme that we've seen in free
agency is that the second Apron concerns are a thing
(22:28):
the teams that want to make deals, like the Lakers,
they don't have necessarily attractive assets to make a deal.
But I think it also points to some discomfort level
that teams have in both of those players. Zach Lavine
great score, but a lot of concerns about his durability
coming off his injuries last season. Trey Young, great scorer,
(22:49):
but you know, is it worth the price of giving
up decent depth when he hasn't consistently helped the Hawks
lead a winning basketball least since that playoff run in
twenty two twenty one. So I think, really those are
the only possibilities. But I think everything else is in
store here, not dramatic fireworks this free agency like was
in the past, But I think again that had a
(23:11):
lot to do with the second Apron concerns that we
talked about, but also the fact that we're past the
era of marquee free agents, you know, meeting with teams
because those guys are always eligible for extensions and we
get a lot more clarity on you know, future with
them staying with the team or game trade it well
before official free agency starts.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
KWHI Leonard pulls out of the the the summer Olympic team,
the men's national team. He tried to give it a go.
He couldn't. He couldn't do it, He couldn't compete. What
what it's It's just the knee. Does he believe the
knee will ever get back to one hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (23:51):
WELLY can't we? I think I don't think we can
ever assume that will that Kawhi Leonard will be one
hundred percent. But I thought what was italian was after
twoay's practice, Kawhi Leonard described his knee as in a
neutral state, meaning hadn't gotten significantly better, but it hadn't
gotten significantly worse. But at least it got better that
he was able to practice without restrictions and participating controlled scrimmages.
(24:16):
And so with all this, Doug, I'm not surprised that
this happened with Kawhi Leonard. I mean, this has been
the story with his time with the Clippers for the
last five years, and always something happens with his health.
But I will admit I was a little bit surprised
just because of how abrupt it happens. Like Steve Kerr
was talking all week on how he looked, he looked fine,
(24:36):
there was no limitations, I asked Hylu point blank, because
I observed that Lawrence Frank and some of the Clippers
front office have been observing practice on to what extent
have the Clippers front office Tie as an assistant and
Steve Kerr as the head coach, been working together to
figure out what his workloads looked like in practice and
(24:57):
in the games. And he said, look, he doesn't have
any men's restrictions. He's looking great, and I think that
this will be the first time ever in his career
he'll play five on five. So, outside of the fact
that maybe Tyler was just gowing a white war out right, wye,
I think it just also illustrates the fluidity of how
tenuous Hawai's health is always on a day to day basis.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Why why are you hearing they chose UH to pass
on on Jalen Brown for example, and instead, you know,
take a take a point guard and Derek White, who
I don't think anybody would say is a top top five,
top ten point guard in the league.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I think Jalen Brown
should be on the team. I think Jalen Bronson should
be on the team. USA Basketball and Grant Hill and
everyone else. They don't give official answers here, but if
I had to take some educated guesses, I think there
was a few things in play. They were evaluating the
roster prior to how Jalen Brown performed this season them
(26:00):
and I think that they were comfortable more comfortable with
leaning on familiarity and continuity. So Derek White, he's on
the Tokyo Olympics, he got a lot of rave reviews
within that coaching staff with doing what Derek White does.
Devin Booker, we can look at how he is with
the Suns and the give and take he's had with
(26:21):
how he is as a score, how he's evolved as
a playmaker. But at least from Tmusa's perspective, they felt
that he has fit in with the team concept well.
So with that, I can't help but conclude they had
at least relative concerns. It's not majority concerns because these
are all Hall of Fame AL Star caliber players, but
that Jalen Brown is more of a score. But look,
(26:43):
we saw him get finals MVPV because he played really
good defense against Luka Dantos. Even though Jalen Brown's instinct
is to score first. To his credit, he improved as
a playmaker this year, so I think he would have
been the obvious choice. But it's not like they can
go wrong with Derek White. It's just that Jaylen Brown
clearly is the better player.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I think he's clearly the better player. The question is
is he a better fit? And then how does he
fit in international competition? All these things we don't know.
But man, I did not see Grant and Hill catch
in all this heat before this thing started. To now
now he is Mark. Thanks so much for join us. Man,
have a safe trip to Vegas, and we also hope
you're strutting through, strutting through the rio and and and
(27:30):
enjoying the fruits of your of your labor.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Well, do fingers cross on the craps tables and the
rolette tables, and if that happens, I'm sure some will
post that song and post a video vote.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah. I can also tell you that Jay Stu has
a whole system for playing craps, work collectively down eight
hundred within that system when I played with him, So
you can call him and just do whatever do the
opposite of whatever he does. With Jay.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
I've heard the stories on the show over the years,
so I will play it back and consult with them.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
We'll talk off air.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Mark, we'll talk off fair enough.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
That's Mark Mendina and of course our guys Jason here.
Thanks Mark. Mark Ardina is our Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider.
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Speaker 4 (28:40):
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Speaker 1 (28:50):
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(29:13):
there's a new man in town in regards to h
in charge to analytics right regards to analytics with college football,
and I'll just I'll leave it at that. His name's
Kelly Ford. He has his own ranking system, his own
analytical database, and a predictor model for college football games.
(29:36):
As we get closer and closer. If you want to
download the podcast after this show, you have the podcast
only version of the show. Kelly's on it. It'll be
on it every week. Let's get to the press, the press,
Isaac long Crown, what's in the press place.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
No other way to describe it. It is indeed a
national outrage. What just took place in Milwaukee is pirates.
Rookie pitcher Paul Skeens had a no hitter going through
seven full innings against the Brewers today. He struck out
eleven thrown just ninety nine pitchers. Despite that, he was
pulled from the game. Reliever Colin Holderman promptly allowed base
(30:18):
hits to the first two batters he faced leading off
the bottle of the eight. I think pirates did go
on to win the game, won nothing. No word y
out on the rumor that Skens was pulled because he
didn't want to overshadow Wisconsin. Green Bay head coach Doug
gottliebs throwing out of the first pitch tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, Paul Skeins getting nothing on me. I mean, listen,
I just if the Brewers asked me to throw later
on the season, I think I'm just gonna have to
tell him. Okay, I mean I'll taking a third job
for that, right. I mean, the month of August is
pretty light. Our guys go home like August eleventh, so
we'll be good after that. I got a bat toil
Labor Day. And then you know, if they go to
(30:55):
the playoffs, they you know, you can expand the rosters.
But how with this one? Rahem Palmer tweets out sports
really sucked Now, Paul sken says a no hitter, they
pull him because of a pitch count? What are we doing?
To your point?
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Completely agree, I mean that's the truth. By the way,
have you ever thrown out a ceremonial first pitch before?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Okay, how'd you do? If you don't mind my asking?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Uh, it was up and I got late movement. You
know my ball tales, I throw two seamer tails up
and in. So you know, I think a right handed
hitter would have swung at and missed, but I think
a lefty would have probably taken it for a ball,
or could have taken it appo especially you know that
little little short curved part of left field of the
big A. But it was an angel song. Okay, kay?
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Of so major League Ballpark?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Good?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
So so you nervous?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Uh Nokay? No, I mean I'm my only My only
hesitation is my son and I play catch all the time.
He's been gone to camp and I've been here working,
so I haven't thrown a baseball in a couple of weeks.
But I think we work that out tonight.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
I think, Okay, look.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think I get the mechanism going.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Get buyer down there to catch for you.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
From from Merrill, this kind of just came down, and
it's interesting to see what kind of legs this is
gonna have. So there's this event, the American Century Championship
of Golf in Lake Tahoe, and it's like the celebrity
pro am type bail. So anyway, Aaron Rodgers was coming
off the course today and he was interviewed by an
(32:32):
outfit called Vegas Sports Today, and it's kind of that
TMZ style interview where they're the paparazzi guy has the
camera and he's interviewing the guy outside of LAX. So
we asked him a few questions, first of all about
Raiders new offensive coordinator Luke Getzi, and then about DeVante Adams.
And I'll play it for you right now if you
(32:53):
listen closely, Aaron Rodgers says about Davante Adams quote, I
can't wait to play with him again.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Listen closely.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Do you think Luke Getsy's going to utilize DeVante Adams
good in the new Raiders offense?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I love Luke Getzi, He's a fantastic coach. Awesome. Then
I love Davante. I can't wait to play with him
outside again. Great. I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Yeah, so again, Aaron Rodgers on Davante Adams quote, I
can't wait to play with him again?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Hm hm hm hm. Do we think that happens?
Speaker 7 (33:35):
I mean, eventually, But I'm more fascinated to see how much,
if at all, this story is going to age.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
There's nothing else going on. Right now, there you go.
You know, nothing else going on? Of course, absolutely.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Good for you. Vegas Sports today all right. Elsewhere in
the National Football League, former New England Patriots head coach
Bill Belichick continues to expand his sports media empire.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
He will join the.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
TV show Inside the NFL as an analyst for the
upcoming twenty twenty four season.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I actually like this. I mean, obviously Inside the NFL
is not what it used to be, but a taped
show I think is the best way for Bill Belichick.
And I mean, just give him his own desk, give
him his own producers, let him cut up tape, let
him teach us something. How could it be bad?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
What do you think about the fact, though, that this
was a guy who was notoriously prickly difficult at best
and rude to the media people who were in the
trenches covering him day to day throughout his career. Yet
the second he retires he becomes mister happy pants.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I would only push back in that I'm not sure
if you would characterize him as always rude, just he
was just monotone and.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
Yeah, okay, fair point.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
He was laconic, laconic, he gave the shortest possible answers.
I think that's where Ilo is going with this. Okay,
you need to be loquacious on TV. Loquacious opposite. Okay,
fair analysis of the situation, and our next item in
the NFL free agent safety Jamal Adams, most recently now
(35:30):
agreeing to a one year deal with the Tennessee Titans
after his previous stop with the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
There has to be somebody who's there, who is with
him in New York because it did not work in
Seattle at all, and it did not end well. And
I'm not sure it ended well in New York. But
talented box safety, the guy who's a very good run stopper,
just not great against the past.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Right, Well, what did what did you call the team
that he used to play on? I'm sorry, what did
you call the team that he used to play on?
The Seattle Seahawks? For this show? Is how we could
brand this? Could we forever call them the Seahawks to.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
I knew you were going there. I knew you were
going there.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You're showing the country calls them the Seahawks.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Toua Yet, Well, you have to have the proper entree
and what I'm saying, is how about who's the quarterback
of the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
I'm just saying, don't steal my fantasy football name team.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Okay, how many fantasy ball the team names are gonna be.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Mine's going to be a j Hawk to a tongue
of I looa our heie. That's good.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
So I'm just saying a potential contract extension hasn't happened
yet for him, it's obviously going to happen, so it's
a pipe dream. So maybe ten years away when it'll
be totally irrelevant. We can drop that reference if he
does sign with the Seattle Seahawks, but not in this case.
And that is the press.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I get out there and pressed.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
All right. Remember to download that podcast after the show
is over. After the show is over, check it out
on social media. My plea to the NCAA to let
my team play in TBT, and yeah, Paul Skins shut
down because he was too good. And oh yeah, by
the way, the Pirates did in fact win. But eleven
(37:22):
strikeouts is obscene and he only threw ninety nine pitches. Really,
that's where we are. That's where we are in sports.
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