May 1, 2023 • 42 mins
Doug explains why what Deion Sanders tweeted over the weekend about HBCU players is ridiculous. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take that Steph Curry is now the best point guard of all time. Doug chooses among deserving candidates for who is most annoying today. Plus, Doug gives out his "Pick of the Day".
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finds only a couple to be annoyed by the On
a daily basis, we try and determine who's the most
annoying person in sports on Earth. And then we have
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a podcast, So we call it because we can. So
that's a and we have really good stuff today. I
guess where we start is is this look when we
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look back at the NFL Draft. I think it's fascinating,
fascinating on what the draft has become. Obviously they've figured
out this movie and around thing where it does peak
the interest of all the local fans, but it's kind
of a it's like a pop up store, right, they
pop in, they're there for a week, and then they
pop out, because if you've ever been to a draft,
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it's like, yeah, it's fine, I don't need to go again.
It's a box checked, it's an experience had, and then
you're kind of done with it. It makes sense, kind of
done with it anyway. I think it's a fascinating thing
though that on a Thursday it dominates that night, right,
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there was an NBA game and it was a really
good one that night, but nobody paid attention because it's
the NFL Draft, even though you just have so many
different people who who are telling you on social media, Hey,
turn over to this game and you don't know many
of these draftees. You haven't seen them play, You don't
really have an opinion, and it might not be on
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your team, but you do kind of watch it. But
what's interesting is, and maybe it's just me sports radio
or the sports TV guy, in that it's really hard
to talk about the draft on Monday because Sunday was
owned by the NBA. And I don't know how much
value there is to that. I would guess that though
there's social media and media equity to being talked about
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all week long on sports TV and sports radio, that
you lose. I do think that you probably gain more
in terms of the ratings on a Thursday night and
dominating heading into the weekend than you did with the
previous setup. So then there's the tweet sent by Dion
Sanders about how disappointed he is in the NFL in
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that only one player from an HBCU was drafted in
the NFL Draft. And you know, as he points out, like, look,
we had what he thought were three draftable players at
Jackson State. I don't know if he meant the two
he took with him, right, But that's what And it's
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just such a disingenuous tweet on a media on a
myriad of levels. It just really is because when you
when you read it, there's gonna be people that say, well,
you know, here's a guy who left an HBCU for
a Power five school, Like, yeah, of course, I mean,
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I've told you all along. The Dion thing wasn't about
being in an HBCU. It just wasn't. None of this
was for any of them was about being in an HBCU.
It was about this was an opportunity, and then you
sell your school based upon whatever the strengths of that
school are. Everybody does it. Everybody does it. What I
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what I won't buy into. I won't buy into the
They whoever they was, won't draft HBCU guys. Why Why?
Because what it feels like to anybody with a pulse
is there's some underlying racial tones to why they the
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nefarious they won't draft guys from an HBCU. I saw
this thing. Do you guys know what? Bryce Young, C. J. Shroud,
Will Anderson, Anthony Richardson, Devin Witherspoon, Paris Johnson, Tyree Wilson,
b Jehan Robinson, Jalen Carter, and Darnell Wright all have
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in common. Well, that's the top ten picks in the
NFL draft. They're all black. They weren't selected because they're
all black. They selected. They were selected because they're the
ten best draft prospects as viewed by the National Football League.
The same reason the top three quarterbacks that were selected
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were black, and that Will Levis was sitting there waiting
the green room has nothing to do with Skinteller. It
is the same reason that HBCU the guys got. The
reason they're in an HBCU is they're generally viewed as
not as talented as guys at the Division one level
or Power five level. And the separation is actually greater
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now than it's ever been. Why because well, multitude of things.
One more Division one schools than ever because of the
nil stuff. Right, those the big boys schools can pay
guys to stay in school, or to come to their school,
or even to sit on the bench. But because there's
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such a turnover, high turnover rate at LSU and Alabama,
the super in Georgia that you go there three years
and you go off to the pros. It feels like
that's what everybody thinks they're used to. They also don't
play at the highest level of division what used to
be one Double A now FCS. They don't, so they're
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not even seen as playing at the highest level Division
two football, which is really Division one, Double A or
whatever you want to call it. It's just a lower level.
And so the prospect and you're not competing against you
don't have the same facilities, you're not having the same
skill development. But more than anything, like just it's a
and I understand what Dion. Dion's just like, hey man,
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I'm just trying to be the He on one hand,
wants to tell the truth about Hey the HBCUs Man,
we haven't been funded well enough. He's right, we haven't
taken care of the funding. He's right, like, there's a
lot of things that need to change in order to
put them in an even playing field, even with the
teams at the FCS level. But he's being completely disingenuous
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if he's talking about the talent being at the level
of other draft picks.
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Let's get to what the Fox says and No Fox
say every day at this time on the end the
Bonus podcast. Here on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio,
we played for your portion of previous show on Fox
Sports Radio Fox Sports One. This is Colin Cowhard talking
about Steph Curry being the greatest point guard of all time.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
After yesterday's fifty point game. It's time to have an
adult conversation. You are looking at not Magic Johnson's Steph
Curry is the greatest point guard ever. It takes a
few of these moments. Stephan Magic neither were great defenders.
But at thirty five, Steph has a long way to go.
At Magic really retired at thirty one. The three point
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shot is here and for the next one hundred years
of basketball, and I'm going to take that over Magic
Johnson's innumerable assists. The game has changed. Steph has evolved
and changed the game. He used to give you those,
you know, every third or fourth game, he'd give you
a little bit of a playoff clunker. You don't really
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get those. Now he'll give you the legendary speech before
the Green that Draymond talked about that you didn't get
those before. He's always been selfless, over selfish. But Golden
State has holes in this roster, and he fills all
of them. It is very much Jordan with the heatles.
He fills the holes. Part of being great is the
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ability to reduce other star players to insignificant. Michael Jordan
used to do that. You'd watch him against Clyde Drexler
and it was like Drexler was just a guy. That's
what Steph Curry did in the last couple of fourth
quarters in Sacramento against de Aaron Fox. Dearon Fox was insignificant.
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Steph was that good?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Okay, there's so much bullshit there. It's really hard, really hard. Okay,
and we did this in the radio show, so I'll
do it again here. Okay. Magic Johnson's the greatest point
guard of all time. It's not really arguable. Everybody who
knows basketball fucking knows it, except for people who just
it becomes like a you're prisoner of the moment kind
of hot takes society or whatever. Because if you want
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to say Steph's a point guard, which he does at
times play the role of point guard and bringing the
ball up. But he's as dangerous or more dangerous oftentimes
without the ball than he is with the ball. Right.
That's the essence of point guard. And he's not a
shot creator per se. For other people. That's the the
true play in uh in Israel, they call it playmaker.
That's the point guard is a playmaker. He's not a
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playmaker for other people. He can pass and is a
good creative passer. But if we want to say Steph's
the point guard, then are you comfortable saying Lebron's a
point guard? I mean in terms of ball dominance and
holding on having the ball right, you could say Lebron's
the point if STEP's the point guard, lebronze point guard,
who's had a better career. I don't believe Lebron's the
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greatest player of all time, but it is in that
we are in that discussion, and lots of people, plenty
of people do I think far more, say Jordan, And
there's a lot lot to it. Okay, so here's the
dumbest fucking thing that people do and and Collins done it,
which is and he's a brilliant guy, which is just
He's like, well, the game has changed, so you want
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Magic to have played the game, which he was more
consistently successful than Steph Curry at you want him to
have played the game differently then, so that we can
judge him. Now, how is that even possible? Explain that
to me? If anyone you would like to explain that
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to me, I'm I absolutely welcome it. I do. Magic
Johnson was a twelve time All Star. He basically played
twelve seasons in the NBA, that doesn't matter. He also
led the league in steels twice, so he wasn't a
classic great defender, but like Steph, great off the ball,
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great anticipation. He was a five time NBA champion, a
three time Finals MVP. What are we fucking talking about?
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever fucking heard
in my entire fucking life. The guy scores fifty, which
was incredible in a game seven. There were games in
the series where he wasn't incredible. Okay, you're compared because
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he lights up, dearon Fox, What the fuck are even
talking about? Like, look, de Aaron Fox is a nice player.
He's going to be He has a chance to be
a star player in this league. Has a chance to
be if he builds on this and gets better and
gets better and gets better and gets better. It's the
first time he's been a playoffs in seventeen fucking years.
And because Steph has fifty And then remember he was
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great in what was a game I forget what game
it was in Boston Garden where he carried the word like,
Steph Curry is a great player. But what are we
fucking talking about? Magic Johnson ran the league for a decade,
ran the fucking league. He was never not the best
player on his who's never the second or third best
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player on his team ever. Steph Curry was like, again,
we just kind of make stupid fucking arguments to make
ourselves feel good about what we're seeing and try and
go like H and yes, I was the guy who
didn't think he was gonna be some great pro I
didn't do. You know why? Because the game hadn't evolved
and changed to this point when he was draft did
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and when he tried to play the more traditional style
point guard early on, it wasn't that successful. How do
I know that? Because the Warriors when they traded for
Andrew Boget said, hey, you can have either a Monte
Ellis or Steph Curry. You pick. So not only did
the Bucks not know, but the fucking Warriors didn't know
he was this good. No one knew, and then because
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of they had to play small because it played to
their strengths playing Draymond at the five, the embracing of
the three point shot, and of them. Honestly, the reason
that he's great is because he finally has a coach
that realizes he's actually better without the ball than he
is with the ball. Constantly in motion, He's in unbelievable shape, Like, look,
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this dude is a ridiculous player, ridiculous in any discussion
as all time great score from just a different way.
But like last year, we were just having this discussion
about like, hey man, you gotta actually play kind of
consistently well in the finals and it was a little
shaky early on, and then obviously they closed and they
were great. Right, so we've gone from there to magic
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Johnson was fucking incredible, incredible What what what is this?
This discussion is so stupid. It's if you want to
have the discussion about Okay, so in the new era
where you're not really a point guard. Okay, I'm okay
with that, everybody be okay with that. But I mean, like,
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let's go back and look at the Magic Johnson era.
His rookie year. They won the NBA Championship. His rookie
year and win the NBA Championship, and of course he
famously played center in game seven point center and they won.
The next year, he was hurt and they lost in
the first round. After that, he won, He won the championship,
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law lost the finals, lost in the finals, won the championship,
lost in the conference finals, which he was hurt. And
then they won the finals, won the finals, lost in
the finals, and then as the team aged out, lost
in the conference semi finals. I think he was hurt
then as well. And then against Michael Jordan's team, they
lost in the finals. And then he had contracted HIV
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and everybody thought he'd never play basketball again, and essentially
that was the end of his run. Like what are
we There is zero comparison, none. Stop saying stupid shit,
especially to people who know the history of basketball. Stop it.
You sound honestly cowhurt. Sounds like he was in a
meeting with Jason McIntyre. And instead of going like Jason,
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you sound like you're fifteen here, let me tell you
I was alive in nineteen eighty I was alive in
nineteen eighty six, nineteen eighty seven, nineteen eighty eight. Okay.
And when you go finals, finals, finals, finals, finals, you
lose the conference finals because you're hurt. Finals Finals, Finals,
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Conference semi finals, finals, like, it wasn't even close. There
were two guys who dominated the league. It was Bird
and Magic. And look, Steph's been great. I am not
in any way diminishing him. But if you're gonna say
Steph's a point guard, then you gotta say Lebron's a
point guard. And there's no one in the world that
would say Steph's had to get as good a career
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as Lebron, right right, There is no discussion about is
Steph the greatest player of all time? There is a
discussion about Lebron. So if those that's the case, he's
not in the point guard discussion. And nobody in the
right fucking mind would put him ahead of Magic Johnson
as a point guard. You put him at the point
guard like a small He brings them ball up sometimes
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like Draymond Green is just as much the point guard
of that team, like, well he plays forward, like okay,
whatever you want us to call it, like everyone else
who knows, like if we was talking tradition, and like
he's a hybrid guard. He's a combo. He's the greatest
combo ever, not close unbelievable shooter, shot maker, not close
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to There's no one who has ever been able to
consistently make the volume of the difficulty, of distance, of
variety of shots off the dribble, right, left, off the
catch floaters one hand. It's incredible. But stop saying stupid shit,
It's just stupid. What are we doing? Because what happens
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is when Colin says it, like Colin's old, he's in
his fifties, and so these young knuckleheads who've never watched today,
they think that Magic Johnson was some slug, like Magic
is just like he was just Lebron, very much like Lebron,
you know, obviously not the above the rim athlete when
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he got in, but it was like, well, you know,
if Magic played today, the players are so much more athletic. Well,
Magic played today, he'd be more athletic because he would
have had training that was different at a younger age, right, Well,
you know Larry Bird would have shot a higher volume
of threes and would have made a higher volume three. Like,
what are we fucking doing? All you can do is
take the air in which they played. There is no
more dominant two guys than Magic Johnson and Larry Bird,
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So stop saying stupid shit. He was never Magic was
never the second best player on his team ever. And
the job of point guard is to make everybody else
better on your team. Steph can will them, Staph can
make shots. But Steph is not a twenty assistant, a
night guy. He's just different. This was Shannon Sharp talking
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about the Lakers Warriors matchup in the Western Conference summers.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I'm taking a Lakers. I think this is a great matchup.
Pound them inside ad ad should do big numbers. Lebron
should do big numbers because they don't have anybody that
can defend Lebron. Or I understand Wiggins is a good defender,
but he ain't seeing Lebron because he ain't got no
break in his back pocket. A d should eat Kavan
Looney's lunch. Do we know Looon wants to get on
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the offensive glass and those guys are gonna reset be
it Clay be a Steph Pool Wiggins and but Ad
knows what he has to do. I think what we
saw from Ad the last two games, he's like, this
is the way I need to play for the entire series.
I think it's a very favorable matchup. I think they
won the series the Lakers there three to one. But
that doesn't matter because the regular season this is a
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different animal. Because we saw Sacramento in the regular season
is one thing. The playoffs is a different animal. Saturday night,
Skip d Low gotta go with man he and that
three ball was so effortless. Skip, we haven't seen the
right This is the only other rivalry that you can
say that can rival this is Chamberlain Russell Skip. People
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like Bird Magic BIRDI Magic only played twice. He only
played twice.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What is he talking about? The only play twice? What
is Shannon talking about? I mean, was that did nobody
catch that they played in the finals multiple times? They
also played the five like this. And by the way,
it's not even a rivalry Warriors Lakers because they haven't
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played at this level in the playoffs. Here's the part
that Shannon. Shannon just basically took like, well, the Lakers
offense versus the Warriors defense. Okay, a couple of things here.
Anthony Davis was the best player for the Lakers in
that series. He was awesome, especially defensively. It's not just Looney,
it's can he dominate? Can he dominate when the Warriors
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go small and have Draymond at the five? Like, the
real trouble for the Lakers is going to be when
the Warriors go small, because Lebron is not a good
small ball five. He's just not. He's not really comfortable
with it. And while you say, okay, he can be
a perfect help defender, the problem with helping off of
and playing off of Draymond Green that so many teams
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do is not only does it allow him to pass
wherever he wants, but then he can have handoffs and
there's nobody there when you screen. And now it's very
different from playing any other team any other way. But
here's the point that he didn't make. And nobody's gonna
make an A'll make who's Lebron guard? Right, because the
Warriors are actually built to defend Lebron James, right, you
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have to throw multiple defenders that are big enough, strong enough,
smart enough to contain him. You can't let him drive
like he wants to drive, especially to his right hand,
and just overpower you. And then you got to be
able to pressure him too, so he can't just stand
there and shoot or stand there and make passes. You
have Klay Thompson not the defender used to be, but
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Lebron's not the athlete he used to be. Clay will
be fine, wigilll be fine. Draymond's can perfectly defend Lebron.
James Okay, so those three are fine. I agree Anthony
Davis is a hard matchup. The problem is who does
Lebron guard? It's not as easy as does he guard
Draymond Green? Like that's a hard one. And what about
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the rest of the Lakers? How do they match up? Yes,
Di'angelo Russell in Game four right hit three threes in
a row, but that was after playing terribly before the
fourth quarter. He made some shots and then he played
well in Game six. They all play well. In Game
six is Memphis shut it down and they got beat
by forty. But I mean, DiAngelo Russell has not been
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a consistent player. I thought the Lakers look great, but
do you really trust that group against the Warriors in
the playoffs, and the Warriors are constructed very differently. So
I'm fascinated by the matchup. But my big question is
who does Lebron guard? And it makes it really hard.
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He can't switch and guard Wiggins, and he can't because athlete.
He cannot keep Wiggins in front, and obviously Wiggins has
to make shots. Can't guard Clay. Clay's moving all over
the place, and that's not what he does. He's not catching,
and he's sure as hell can't guard Steph Curry. When
you're talking about Steph catching and moving like, that's not
what he does at this stage in his career. Whereas
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previously you would focus on, hey, Lebron can cover up
for everybody's mistakes, now you kind of have to hide Lebron. Defensively,
he'll have to guard Draymond, and how he does that
it's gonna be really, really interesting, because again, Draymond can
be really effective even though you're not covering him, you're
making him shoot the basketball.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
By the way, yes, they played each other three times.
He was one off that there was eighty four, eighty five,
and eighty seven in the finals.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Anyways, and uh, Bird won one and Magic one two.
Is it right?
Speaker 6 (23:52):
That's great? Yep.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And of course they played in the biggest college game ever.
So this is Brady Quinn and LeVar Arrington talking about
Aaron Rodgers and going to New York sporting events.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
I think if you're going to be the New York
Jets quarterback and a New York quarterback in general, you
have to be comfortable with being in the spotlight. You
have to be comfortable with going to those things, experiencing
them and being around, you know people. It's just it's
it's a part of the deal. And the fact that
he's already outdoing it, I think it shows you how
this thing's gonna go. Like I think some people might
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have felt like you didn't feel comfortable with doing those
sorts of things, but he seems very comfortable, you know,
taking it all in and kind of experiencing what is
this this second life if you will, Within the game
of football, he is a star.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
And listen, if he wins, his stardom goes to a
whole entirely different place. I mean, look at Broadway, Joe.
People don't even you. You would not even be able
to recollect what Broadway Joe looked like playing for football.
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But they still he is so beloved, he's so popular.
You know he's doing you know, potty potty commercials and
you know, other types of commercials.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
To this day. He wore pantios.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
I mean, bro Broadway Joe, if you know about Broadway
Joe to do was just he was. He was a maverick,
he was a he was a trendsetter. I mean was
he was the dude.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I don't know. Aaron Rodgers went to Bucks games last year.
He probably would have gone to hockey games if there
was a hockey team, like I just I mean, and
it's he got great seats for two great events. I
don't see this as the great thing about the Jets.
The truly great thing about the Jets is they're out
in Jersey. Not just where they play, but where they
practice is actually even further out in Jersey. So if
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you don't want to be in New York, you don't
have to be in New York. My question is simply
about kind of what Tom Brady experienced his second year
in Tampa. When you're used to doing something one way
for a long time and everybody knows your quirks, that's great,
But at some point in time if it's not successful,
does Aaron Rodgers demeanor change because he's not been great
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when things aren't great around him? That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
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Speaker 2 (26:33):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Stewart and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
So many things got caught my craw. What's the cochet?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Got my craw this weekend, but stuck in my cross
stuck my craw there.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
But this one, this one was great. This is a
Joe showing he's the Giants GM And he said this
about draft grades.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
You don't win games in April. I mean, it's the
social media rankings and everything like that. You know, it's
it's about what we do this fall and you know,
how we go out there and compete, you know when
it matters, and how we continue to build this offseason
and get bigger, faster, stronger through our strength program than
you know, how we prepare and execute in August. You know,
I think there's a process and do I like some
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of the you know, the guys we drafted. Yeah, but still,
like Dave said, you know in this press conference, every
year is different, and the team's got a jail, and
we've got to build chemistry. There's we got to stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
There's a lot that goes into it.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
This was an answer to a question from a reporter like, Hey,
so and so give you a B plus grade. What
do you think about that? You think jams give a
shit about that. There should be a rule, Doug, unless
you are Daniel, Jeremiah mel kiper Todd McShay. In fact,
every every entity could have one draft expert. They could
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do grades, and then everybody else has to sit it out.
I don't want to know, Oh Joe Schmoe, who hosts
an afternoon show in Milwaukee, I don't want to know
his grades. Nobody should want to know draft garade. I
don't know what's more annoying in these days. Draft grades
are mock drafts because both of them are as empty
to me as the paper that they're written on. And
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so draft grades are annoying to me, Doug, and there
should be a rule.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I agree with you, and let me let me make
the proper correlation. Okay, in my mind, you ever watch
any of these entertainment shows, E Entertainment News or whatever.
The other ones are cringy. Yeah, well they're definitely cringey.
But the worst part about it is when they'll show
somebody's outfit or breakup whatever, and then they go do
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Sally two five seventy nine says that outfit is the bomb.
She looks incredible, Like great, you know what, I don't
fucking care. Nobody cares. Their opinion doesn't matter. And it's
why I don't do draft grades because my opinion doesn't
truly matter. I don't know so much. Like It's one
of the great things about when I talk to NFL
people is I just asked them questions, like I help
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me understand how this all works. You know, why did
you draft this guy? Well, this is what our board
looked like, this is what we did thought was gonna happen,
and this is this is why we did what we did.
So none of that is in the contact, you know,
because you know it's like, sometimes you draft a guy
because you want to motivate somebody else that position. Sometimes
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you draft a guy like how many people killed the Lions?
When they drafted a running back earlier than uh than
than some than than, then people thought they should oh
what are you drafting? They killed? Then they trade away
Swift and you're like, oh my god, they trade away Swift.
Look at what how he did? He pulls it off
like they got Swift because he wants a new contract
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and he's not going to play under his current contract,
and they had to come to some form of agreement
of will he play under the contract, will he get
a new deal? If he gets a new deal, what's
gonna look because otherwise he's not gonna play for the
Eagles either. But we have we just we we look
at things in a very linear wall. I didn't think
he was that good, So I'm gonna get like, who
gives a shit? Would you think? And you have to
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remember also, it's not an exact science. Forty nine percent
hit rate for a num present hit right. And and
now what you can do is I like this because
I like this idea, But that doesn't mean I like it. Yes,
John Ramos, it also has to do with I mean, look,
let's be honest. When we do the Gambler, we have
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an idea of what we're doing it's kind of a fun,
you know, tongue in cheek thing about you know, the parlay,
the two team parlay, kind of having some fun, but
you know, with a with a kind of an educated
idea of what's going on. It's the people who take
it seriously, right, And you're talking about kind of the
same thing with the draft experts, like we don't we
don't need to have.
Speaker 10 (30:53):
Nobody can be an expert on everything. Just like my
theory about like the American Idol stuff, which is true.
Everybody can't be a singer, right this, They can't be
this many great singers in America. We just couldn't find them,
all right. I mean it's it's like where did all
these people come from. It's the same as picking games
and what you're talking about the draft. You got to
pick one. You may be good at something else or
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okay't a couple of things, but you're not good at everything. Sorry,
hate to break it to everybody.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's why we don't talk about hockey. There you go,
we don't have to talk about hockey. It's it's not
it's not complete disrespect for the sport, but I just
I don't have I have a limit to my, my,
my knowledge of sports because I have a limit to
how much I can consume, and I have no And
there's never been a study done that says, hey, in
sports radio, you should talk about hockey. Matter of fact,
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it's the opposite of that. So I talk about what
other people want, Like I know a ton about college basketball.
We never talked about college basketball. Why because nobody gives
a shit most of the year. We just don't. So
you're you're you couldn't be more right. It's the people
that's the one that like, wait, you have a mock
draft for the NFL and the NBA. Excuse me, how
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does that work? Just be a genius if you could
be as you must be, just the most connected men
in all the sports, all right? Who else annoys you?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (32:15):
Man?
Speaker 6 (32:16):
God, so hard to choose so many good ones today.
I guess this is an obvious one. Not shaking hands
at the end of series, whether whatever sport you're playing.
I just think it's it's the right thing to do.
It's taking the high road if it's been a contentious series.
We saw two people did it this past weekend, one
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on the winning end, who Lebron James for whatever reason,
chose not to shake hands at to the end of
the series, and then Sabonis from the Kings. Yesterday, Draymond
Green said this on his podcast about Sibonis.
Speaker 11 (32:48):
Lost a lot of respect for Sabonis. You don't shake
guy's hands after you lose.
Speaker 8 (32:53):
I don't respect that.
Speaker 11 (32:54):
I once left the court when we lost in Game
seven and the Cleveland Cavaliers, and I went to my
life and I sat down and I said, this don't
feel right, and I walked back out on the court
and I showed everybody love you lost, deal with it,
pay your respect.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
That was whack to me.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
I think that's annoying, Doug, if you're not mad enough
to shake the hands of a team after a long series,
regardless of what happened. So Lebron and some bonus are annoying.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I'll give Lebron a little bit of a pass here.
When you win, I don't think it's as important. You know,
it's Look, if you're gonna win and you're gonna celebrate
and make an ass of yourself and then somebody comes
over to shake your hand and you ignore them, that's
different than you just like, Hey, I've done this for
(33:44):
a long time. Those guys reducees all series, all season long. Like,
I'm not shaking their hands. This is not what I'm
what we're playing for, So I'd kind of get honestly,
and I rarely, if ever give Lebron a pass. I
kind of give them pass. When you get beat, that's
when you shake hands. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (34:03):
Well, and we were just got done talking about hockey.
We don't talk much about hockey, but they always shake him.
You got to give him credit. These are guys who
fight with each other on the actual eyes, beat each
other up, and yet at the end of the game,
they shake each other's hands out of respect for it.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
So, yeah, wouldn't it have been funny though? And and
Dylan Brooks would have deserved this, and I think we
all would have had a good good time with it
if Lebron went through the handshake wine and did one
of those uh middie and shake d and then you know, uh,
coma's hair or whatever you do, you rub your hair,
that would have been funny.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Great the uh so Dylan.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
As we're on topic of Dylan brook.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Wait, wait, by the way, in regards to notching hands,
it just shows that guys like Kevin Garnett were douchebags
when they get beat the Celtics, or douchebags when they
got beat. The Pistons were douchebags when they get beat.
You guys, everybody knows it. Like, let's not do the
rethink Like oh no, no, Isay Thomas he was really awesome,
Like no, no, he was a dick and everybody knew it.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Total dick. Yes, Dylan Brooks did a couple things.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Hold on, let me while I'm on it. Let me
just say this. Okay, So Isaiah has done. He's brilliant, right,
he's like a politician you know where. He's still good looking,
great smile. He's on NBA TV. So he's like trying
to recreate some narrative about it the truth and you
can just google this. He and Magic Johnson were best friends.
Magic contracts HIV and Isaiah was the was the one
(35:23):
guy who was like basically putting out there Magic must
be bisexual in order to have contract this disease. Now,
part of it was again the time, but if it's
your they that's when they directly had a falling out
in your moment of despair when everybody in the world
thought Magic was gonna die of AIDS because we were
(35:45):
told HIV leads to AIDS. Right. Remember I was both
jastut I was in a freshman high school. I'm guessing
you were a senior in high school at the time.
Freshman were college freshman college. Okay, Ramos was just starting
to work I think at the time. Yeah, ninety one
writing buyer. Buyer was a young kid, like in like
middle school, elementary school. But so we were all alive
(36:06):
when that something like that happens and you bail on
your best friend and then layout false claims about him,
like fuck you dude. Oh yeah, by the way, yes,
what he said about Larry Bird don't give me the
well somebody else said and I just echoed it. And
know everyone there were numerous guys that didn't want him
on the Dream Team, not just Jordan. Many people thought
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Chuck Day, his own coach, didn't because nobody liked him.
And it's a long fucking trip. Okay. So Isaiah was
an incredible talent, but he was the dude that was
a dick that nobody liked. Let's not recreate a narrative now,
because you're on TV and you're older. Right when you're bankrupted,
the CBA I know plenty of people whose careers were
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ended because they signed up in the CBA, and he
fucked that thing up six ways sideways. His claim to
fame in Toronto was he drafted Damon Stotdemar. Congrats. It
wasn't like that was a great organization.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
He left.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
He took the Knicks that had a bad roster, completely
gutted it and made it an even worst roster and
a worst team that was over the salary cap. And
he signed a player who had an heart problem. Okay,
despite the fact the doctors wouldn't sign off on it
and there was no insurance on the contract. It's the
Eddie Curry contract is the worst contract in the history
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of sports. You're like, no, no, there's not, because all
these other contracts when somebody gets hurt are covered by insurance.
Eddie Curry's was not. Oh yeah, and there was a
ten million dollars sexual harassment claim right against the organization.
But he was directly involved. Like he's the worst of
the world. When he was the head coach of the Pacers,
they lost in the first round. He gets fired. The
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next year they lose to Michael Jordan in the finals. Okay,
so again, I think as a basketball player, Isaiah Thomas
was incredible as a dude. He was a dick as
an executive. He wasn't good and he's trying to recreate
this thing. And oh yeah, by the way, how do
we get to this town?
Speaker 6 (38:01):
How do I get to this tangent Isaiah Thomas?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah? What was the who was annoying that I pointed
out as annoying?
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Well, it's the not shaking hands thing.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Oh and oh yeah, by the way, what their act
of of disrespect towards the Chicago Bulls. Okay, who they
had beaten two years in a row after beating the
living shit out of Michael Jordan. Okay, so Michael Jordan.
He had to be put in a different offense, had
to learn to pass the ball. His teammates had to
grow up like this is the real shit about the
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Bulls was Scottie Pippen was viewed as a pussy. Everybody
thought he was soft, right, and he had to grow
a pair of balls and make some shots and make
some plays because the Pistons would constantly punk him. Michael
Jordan was like too tough for his own good. They
found him and he'd come back for more. He had
to learn to pass right. And then they had to
get Horace Grant, who was an incredible defender and tough
(38:54):
dude and fucking medical Bill Cartwright, who nobody liked with
the Knicks, and they brought him in and Rahee replaced.
He was traded for Charles Oakley, Michael Jordan's best friend
and the enforcer on that team. They had to rework
the team and Scottie Pippen had to grow up pair
of balls, and then they fucking kicked the Pistons ass.
And you know what, my Isaiah Thomas Diddon said it,
looking him in the eye and shaking their hands. They
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cowered off the court at home. Fuck that. That's pussy bullshit.
I have no respect for it, and neither does Draymond Green.
That's what he's saying, whether he means to or not. Okay,
give me some others.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Uh Right. At this point, down Brooks is low hanging fruit.
And we talked about it in the radio show I
Do Want You talked about the worst contract in the
history of sports. I'm gonna one up you and say,
Deshaun Watson's been given the worst contract in the history
of sports. He he did what's something called a Twitter
spaces this weekend. I think I note that is. And
he was asked about, Hey, what about the people that
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said that he didn't have a good first season with
the Browns.
Speaker 12 (39:58):
He can't define my career off. That's how I'd be
when kind of things don't go your way and people
have their own opinions. But like I said, I'm gonna
keep a smile on my face. I'm gonna keep showing
love and all that that. None of that stuff is
gonna break me.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Man.
Speaker 12 (40:11):
I am who I am, and people know who I am.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
Okay, people know who you are. I'm not gonna let
that break me. They're not gonna let what break you.
Some criticism about six games with the Browns. You're cashing
massive paychecks and some team was foolish enough to give
you those paychecks. I just think that at this point
you should put your head down and not talk about
(40:36):
being a victim in anything. He's not. He's not a
victim of any hate. There's nothing. He's got to put
his head down and keep his mouth shut. Deshaun Watson's
comments about not letting the six games with the Browns
defind him that those are annoying.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Agreed, annoying, annoying. He just you know, I don't know
if there's anything that he could say that wouldn't annoy you.
But good point other than you know what, I gotta
get better. I gotta live up to this contract. I
gotta live up. The Browns did backflips to get me right,
and I gotta live up to the contract. I'm gonna
(41:14):
go with draft grades. Mock mock draft grades as the
most annoying dudes, right, Mock drafts and draft grades like
from people that don't matter like you just you don't
have to, and not because you've got need to be
scared of old takes exposed. But you really don't know,
and so commenting on shit you don't know is dumb
(41:37):
dumb talk. People who give out mock drafts that aren't
Daniel Jeremiah mel Kiper Junior, Todd McShay, whomever, Joel Klatt,
those level guys. You haven't seen seen the players talk
to executives. You don't do it for a living, and
now you give out draft grades. You're nice, all right.
Let me get to my pick of the day.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Okay, So the bet is to you call in, baby,
It's time for the pick of the day.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Pick of the day, you got Celtics sixers and Sons Nuggets.
The Nuggets dominated the Suns in Game one. Kevin Durrant had,
though efficient shooting, the basketball had seven turnovers as the
team had sixteen turnovers, and of course Jamal Murray looked
like bubble Jamal Murray. It's Denver by four. This is
after winning by twenty. This is the game that everybody's
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go now, Phoenix is gonna get right. Problem is second
game altitude is way harder. I like the Nuggets minus
the four to win and to cover. That's the pick
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finds only a couple to be annoyed by the On
a daily basis, we try and determine who's the most
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other innuendo, and we can do it unedited because it's
a podcast, So we call it because we can. So
that's a and we have really good stuff today. I
guess where we start is is this look when we
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look back at the NFL Draft. I think it's fascinating,
fascinating on what the draft has become. Obviously they've figured
out this movie and around thing where it does peak
the interest of all the local fans, but it's kind
of a it's like a pop up store, right, they
pop in, they're there for a week, and then they
pop out, because if you've ever been to a draft,
(02:06):
it's like, yeah, it's fine, I don't need to go again.
It's a box checked, it's an experience had, and then
you're kind of done with it. It makes sense, kind of
done with it anyway. I think it's a fascinating thing
though that on a Thursday it dominates that night, right,
(02:26):
there was an NBA game and it was a really
good one that night, but nobody paid attention because it's
the NFL Draft, even though you just have so many
different people who who are telling you on social media, Hey,
turn over to this game and you don't know many
of these draftees. You haven't seen them play, You don't
really have an opinion, and it might not be on
(02:47):
your team, but you do kind of watch it. But
what's interesting is, and maybe it's just me sports radio
or the sports TV guy, in that it's really hard
to talk about the draft on Monday because Sunday was
owned by the NBA. And I don't know how much
value there is to that. I would guess that though
there's social media and media equity to being talked about
(03:07):
all week long on sports TV and sports radio, that
you lose. I do think that you probably gain more
in terms of the ratings on a Thursday night and
dominating heading into the weekend than you did with the
previous setup. So then there's the tweet sent by Dion
Sanders about how disappointed he is in the NFL in
(03:29):
that only one player from an HBCU was drafted in
the NFL Draft. And you know, as he points out, like, look,
we had what he thought were three draftable players at
Jackson State. I don't know if he meant the two
he took with him, right, But that's what And it's
(03:50):
just such a disingenuous tweet on a media on a
myriad of levels. It just really is because when you
when you read it, there's gonna be people that say, well,
you know, here's a guy who left an HBCU for
a Power five school, Like, yeah, of course, I mean,
(04:10):
I've told you all along. The Dion thing wasn't about
being in an HBCU. It just wasn't. None of this
was for any of them was about being in an HBCU.
It was about this was an opportunity, and then you
sell your school based upon whatever the strengths of that
school are. Everybody does it. Everybody does it. What I
(04:31):
what I won't buy into. I won't buy into the
They whoever they was, won't draft HBCU guys. Why Why?
Because what it feels like to anybody with a pulse
is there's some underlying racial tones to why they the
(04:53):
nefarious they won't draft guys from an HBCU. I saw
this thing. Do you guys know what? Bryce Young, C. J. Shroud,
Will Anderson, Anthony Richardson, Devin Witherspoon, Paris Johnson, Tyree Wilson,
b Jehan Robinson, Jalen Carter, and Darnell Wright all have
(05:14):
in common. Well, that's the top ten picks in the
NFL draft. They're all black. They weren't selected because they're
all black. They selected. They were selected because they're the
ten best draft prospects as viewed by the National Football League.
The same reason the top three quarterbacks that were selected
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were black, and that Will Levis was sitting there waiting
the green room has nothing to do with Skinteller. It
is the same reason that HBCU the guys got. The
reason they're in an HBCU is they're generally viewed as
not as talented as guys at the Division one level
or Power five level. And the separation is actually greater
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now than it's ever been. Why because well, multitude of things.
One more Division one schools than ever because of the
nil stuff. Right, those the big boys schools can pay
guys to stay in school, or to come to their school,
or even to sit on the bench. But because there's
(06:14):
such a turnover, high turnover rate at LSU and Alabama,
the super in Georgia that you go there three years
and you go off to the pros. It feels like
that's what everybody thinks they're used to. They also don't
play at the highest level of division what used to
be one Double A now FCS. They don't, so they're
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not even seen as playing at the highest level Division
two football, which is really Division one, Double A or
whatever you want to call it. It's just a lower level.
And so the prospect and you're not competing against you
don't have the same facilities, you're not having the same
skill development. But more than anything, like just it's a
and I understand what Dion. Dion's just like, hey man,
(06:57):
I'm just trying to be the He on one hand,
wants to tell the truth about Hey the HBCUs Man,
we haven't been funded well enough. He's right, we haven't
taken care of the funding. He's right, like, there's a
lot of things that need to change in order to
put them in an even playing field, even with the
teams at the FCS level. But he's being completely disingenuous
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if he's talking about the talent being at the level
of other draft picks.
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Bonus podcast. Here on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio,
we played for your portion of previous show on Fox
Sports Radio Fox Sports One. This is Colin Cowhard talking
about Steph Curry being the greatest point guard of all time.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
After yesterday's fifty point game. It's time to have an
adult conversation. You are looking at not Magic Johnson's Steph
Curry is the greatest point guard ever. It takes a
few of these moments. Stephan Magic neither were great defenders.
But at thirty five, Steph has a long way to go.
At Magic really retired at thirty one. The three point
(08:14):
shot is here and for the next one hundred years
of basketball, and I'm going to take that over Magic
Johnson's innumerable assists. The game has changed. Steph has evolved
and changed the game. He used to give you those,
you know, every third or fourth game, he'd give you
a little bit of a playoff clunker. You don't really
(08:35):
get those. Now he'll give you the legendary speech before
the Green that Draymond talked about that you didn't get
those before. He's always been selfless, over selfish. But Golden
State has holes in this roster, and he fills all
of them. It is very much Jordan with the heatles.
He fills the holes. Part of being great is the
(08:55):
ability to reduce other star players to insignificant. Michael Jordan
used to do that. You'd watch him against Clyde Drexler
and it was like Drexler was just a guy. That's
what Steph Curry did in the last couple of fourth
quarters in Sacramento against de Aaron Fox. Dearon Fox was insignificant.
(09:18):
Steph was that good?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Okay, there's so much bullshit there. It's really hard, really hard. Okay,
and we did this in the radio show, so I'll
do it again here. Okay. Magic Johnson's the greatest point
guard of all time. It's not really arguable. Everybody who
knows basketball fucking knows it, except for people who just
it becomes like a you're prisoner of the moment kind
of hot takes society or whatever. Because if you want
(09:43):
to say Steph's a point guard, which he does at
times play the role of point guard and bringing the
ball up. But he's as dangerous or more dangerous oftentimes
without the ball than he is with the ball. Right.
That's the essence of point guard. And he's not a
shot creator per se. For other people. That's the the
true play in uh in Israel, they call it playmaker.
That's the point guard is a playmaker. He's not a
(10:05):
playmaker for other people. He can pass and is a
good creative passer. But if we want to say Steph's
the point guard, then are you comfortable saying Lebron's a
point guard? I mean in terms of ball dominance and
holding on having the ball right, you could say Lebron's
the point if STEP's the point guard, lebronze point guard,
who's had a better career. I don't believe Lebron's the
(10:30):
greatest player of all time, but it is in that
we are in that discussion, and lots of people, plenty
of people do I think far more, say Jordan, And
there's a lot lot to it. Okay, so here's the
dumbest fucking thing that people do and and Collins done it,
which is and he's a brilliant guy, which is just
He's like, well, the game has changed, so you want
(10:50):
Magic to have played the game, which he was more
consistently successful than Steph Curry at you want him to
have played the game differently then, so that we can
judge him. Now, how is that even possible? Explain that
to me? If anyone you would like to explain that
(11:13):
to me, I'm I absolutely welcome it. I do. Magic
Johnson was a twelve time All Star. He basically played
twelve seasons in the NBA, that doesn't matter. He also
led the league in steels twice, so he wasn't a
classic great defender, but like Steph, great off the ball,
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great anticipation. He was a five time NBA champion, a
three time Finals MVP. What are we fucking talking about?
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever fucking heard
in my entire fucking life. The guy scores fifty, which
was incredible in a game seven. There were games in
the series where he wasn't incredible. Okay, you're compared because
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he lights up, dearon Fox, What the fuck are even
talking about? Like, look, de Aaron Fox is a nice player.
He's going to be He has a chance to be
a star player in this league. Has a chance to
be if he builds on this and gets better and
gets better and gets better and gets better. It's the
first time he's been a playoffs in seventeen fucking years.
And because Steph has fifty And then remember he was
(12:19):
great in what was a game I forget what game
it was in Boston Garden where he carried the word like,
Steph Curry is a great player. But what are we
fucking talking about? Magic Johnson ran the league for a decade,
ran the fucking league. He was never not the best
player on his who's never the second or third best
(12:39):
player on his team ever. Steph Curry was like, again,
we just kind of make stupid fucking arguments to make
ourselves feel good about what we're seeing and try and
go like H and yes, I was the guy who
didn't think he was gonna be some great pro I
didn't do. You know why? Because the game hadn't evolved
and changed to this point when he was draft did
(13:02):
and when he tried to play the more traditional style
point guard early on, it wasn't that successful. How do
I know that? Because the Warriors when they traded for
Andrew Boget said, hey, you can have either a Monte
Ellis or Steph Curry. You pick. So not only did
the Bucks not know, but the fucking Warriors didn't know
he was this good. No one knew, and then because
(13:26):
of they had to play small because it played to
their strengths playing Draymond at the five, the embracing of
the three point shot, and of them. Honestly, the reason
that he's great is because he finally has a coach
that realizes he's actually better without the ball than he
is with the ball. Constantly in motion, He's in unbelievable shape, Like, look,
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this dude is a ridiculous player, ridiculous in any discussion
as all time great score from just a different way.
But like last year, we were just having this discussion
about like, hey man, you gotta actually play kind of
consistently well in the finals and it was a little
shaky early on, and then obviously they closed and they
were great. Right, so we've gone from there to magic
(14:11):
Johnson was fucking incredible, incredible What what what is this?
This discussion is so stupid. It's if you want to
have the discussion about Okay, so in the new era
where you're not really a point guard. Okay, I'm okay
with that, everybody be okay with that. But I mean, like,
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let's go back and look at the Magic Johnson era.
His rookie year. They won the NBA Championship. His rookie
year and win the NBA Championship, and of course he
famously played center in game seven point center and they won.
The next year, he was hurt and they lost in
the first round. After that, he won, He won the championship,
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law lost the finals, lost in the finals, won the championship,
lost in the conference finals, which he was hurt. And
then they won the finals, won the finals, lost in
the finals, and then as the team aged out, lost
in the conference semi finals. I think he was hurt
then as well. And then against Michael Jordan's team, they
lost in the finals. And then he had contracted HIV
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and everybody thought he'd never play basketball again, and essentially
that was the end of his run. Like what are
we There is zero comparison, none. Stop saying stupid shit,
especially to people who know the history of basketball. Stop it.
You sound honestly cowhurt. Sounds like he was in a
meeting with Jason McIntyre. And instead of going like Jason,
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you sound like you're fifteen here, let me tell you
I was alive in nineteen eighty I was alive in
nineteen eighty six, nineteen eighty seven, nineteen eighty eight. Okay.
And when you go finals, finals, finals, finals, finals, you
lose the conference finals because you're hurt. Finals Finals, Finals,
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Conference semi finals, finals, like, it wasn't even close. There
were two guys who dominated the league. It was Bird
and Magic. And look, Steph's been great. I am not
in any way diminishing him. But if you're gonna say
Steph's a point guard, then you gotta say Lebron's a
point guard. And there's no one in the world that
would say Steph's had to get as good a career
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as Lebron, right right, There is no discussion about is
Steph the greatest player of all time? There is a
discussion about Lebron. So if those that's the case, he's
not in the point guard discussion. And nobody in the
right fucking mind would put him ahead of Magic Johnson
as a point guard. You put him at the point
guard like a small He brings them ball up sometimes
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like Draymond Green is just as much the point guard
of that team, like, well he plays forward, like okay,
whatever you want us to call it, like everyone else
who knows, like if we was talking tradition, and like
he's a hybrid guard. He's a combo. He's the greatest
combo ever, not close unbelievable shooter, shot maker, not close
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to There's no one who has ever been able to
consistently make the volume of the difficulty, of distance, of
variety of shots off the dribble, right, left, off the
catch floaters one hand. It's incredible. But stop saying stupid shit,
It's just stupid. What are we doing? Because what happens
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is when Colin says it, like Colin's old, he's in
his fifties, and so these young knuckleheads who've never watched today,
they think that Magic Johnson was some slug, like Magic
is just like he was just Lebron, very much like Lebron,
you know, obviously not the above the rim athlete when
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he got in, but it was like, well, you know,
if Magic played today, the players are so much more athletic. Well,
Magic played today, he'd be more athletic because he would
have had training that was different at a younger age, right, Well,
you know Larry Bird would have shot a higher volume
of threes and would have made a higher volume three. Like,
what are we fucking doing? All you can do is
take the air in which they played. There is no
more dominant two guys than Magic Johnson and Larry Bird,
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So stop saying stupid shit. He was never Magic was
never the second best player on his team ever. And
the job of point guard is to make everybody else
better on your team. Steph can will them, Staph can
make shots. But Steph is not a twenty assistant, a
night guy. He's just different. This was Shannon Sharp talking
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about the Lakers Warriors matchup in the Western Conference summers.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I'm taking a Lakers. I think this is a great matchup.
Pound them inside ad ad should do big numbers. Lebron
should do big numbers because they don't have anybody that
can defend Lebron. Or I understand Wiggins is a good defender,
but he ain't seeing Lebron because he ain't got no
break in his back pocket. A d should eat Kavan
Looney's lunch. Do we know Looon wants to get on
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the offensive glass and those guys are gonna reset be
it Clay be a Steph Pool Wiggins and but Ad
knows what he has to do. I think what we
saw from Ad the last two games, he's like, this
is the way I need to play for the entire series.
I think it's a very favorable matchup. I think they
won the series the Lakers there three to one. But
that doesn't matter because the regular season this is a
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different animal. Because we saw Sacramento in the regular season
is one thing. The playoffs is a different animal. Saturday night,
Skip d Low gotta go with man he and that
three ball was so effortless. Skip, we haven't seen the
right This is the only other rivalry that you can
say that can rival this is Chamberlain Russell Skip. People
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like Bird Magic BIRDI Magic only played twice. He only
played twice.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What is he talking about? The only play twice? What
is Shannon talking about? I mean, was that did nobody
catch that they played in the finals multiple times? They
also played the five like this. And by the way,
it's not even a rivalry Warriors Lakers because they haven't
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played at this level in the playoffs. Here's the part
that Shannon. Shannon just basically took like, well, the Lakers
offense versus the Warriors defense. Okay, a couple of things here.
Anthony Davis was the best player for the Lakers in
that series. He was awesome, especially defensively. It's not just Looney,
it's can he dominate? Can he dominate when the Warriors
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go small and have Draymond at the five? Like, the
real trouble for the Lakers is going to be when
the Warriors go small, because Lebron is not a good
small ball five. He's just not. He's not really comfortable
with it. And while you say, okay, he can be
a perfect help defender, the problem with helping off of
and playing off of Draymond Green that so many teams
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do is not only does it allow him to pass
wherever he wants, but then he can have handoffs and
there's nobody there when you screen. And now it's very
different from playing any other team any other way. But
here's the point that he didn't make. And nobody's gonna
make an A'll make who's Lebron guard? Right, because the
Warriors are actually built to defend Lebron James, right, you
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have to throw multiple defenders that are big enough, strong enough,
smart enough to contain him. You can't let him drive
like he wants to drive, especially to his right hand,
and just overpower you. And then you got to be
able to pressure him too, so he can't just stand
there and shoot or stand there and make passes. You
have Klay Thompson not the defender used to be, but
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Lebron's not the athlete he used to be. Clay will
be fine, wigilll be fine. Draymond's can perfectly defend Lebron.
James Okay, so those three are fine. I agree Anthony
Davis is a hard matchup. The problem is who does
Lebron guard? It's not as easy as does he guard
Draymond Green? Like that's a hard one. And what about
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the rest of the Lakers? How do they match up? Yes,
Di'angelo Russell in Game four right hit three threes in
a row, but that was after playing terribly before the
fourth quarter. He made some shots and then he played
well in Game six. They all play well. In Game
six is Memphis shut it down and they got beat
by forty. But I mean, DiAngelo Russell has not been
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a consistent player. I thought the Lakers look great, but
do you really trust that group against the Warriors in
the playoffs, and the Warriors are constructed very differently. So
I'm fascinated by the matchup. But my big question is
who does Lebron guard? And it makes it really hard.
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He can't switch and guard Wiggins, and he can't because athlete.
He cannot keep Wiggins in front, and obviously Wiggins has
to make shots. Can't guard Clay. Clay's moving all over
the place, and that's not what he does. He's not catching,
and he's sure as hell can't guard Steph Curry. When
you're talking about Steph catching and moving like, that's not
what he does at this stage in his career. Whereas
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previously you would focus on, hey, Lebron can cover up
for everybody's mistakes, now you kind of have to hide Lebron. Defensively,
he'll have to guard Draymond, and how he does that
it's gonna be really, really interesting, because again, Draymond can
be really effective even though you're not covering him, you're
making him shoot the basketball.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
By the way, yes, they played each other three times.
He was one off that there was eighty four, eighty five,
and eighty seven in the finals.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Anyways, and uh, Bird won one and Magic one two.
Is it right?
Speaker 6 (23:52):
That's great? Yep.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And of course they played in the biggest college game ever.
So this is Brady Quinn and LeVar Arrington talking about
Aaron Rodgers and going to New York sporting events.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
I think if you're going to be the New York
Jets quarterback and a New York quarterback in general, you
have to be comfortable with being in the spotlight. You
have to be comfortable with going to those things, experiencing
them and being around, you know people. It's just it's
it's a part of the deal. And the fact that
he's already outdoing it, I think it shows you how
this thing's gonna go. Like I think some people might
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have felt like you didn't feel comfortable with doing those
sorts of things, but he seems very comfortable, you know,
taking it all in and kind of experiencing what is
this this second life if you will, Within the game
of football, he is a star.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
And listen, if he wins, his stardom goes to a
whole entirely different place. I mean, look at Broadway, Joe.
People don't even you. You would not even be able
to recollect what Broadway Joe looked like playing for football.
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But they still he is so beloved, he's so popular.
You know he's doing you know, potty potty commercials and
you know, other types of commercials.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
To this day. He wore pantios.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
I mean, bro Broadway Joe, if you know about Broadway
Joe to do was just he was. He was a maverick,
he was a he was a trendsetter. I mean was
he was the dude.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I don't know. Aaron Rodgers went to Bucks games last year.
He probably would have gone to hockey games if there
was a hockey team, like I just I mean, and
it's he got great seats for two great events. I
don't see this as the great thing about the Jets.
The truly great thing about the Jets is they're out
in Jersey. Not just where they play, but where they
practice is actually even further out in Jersey. So if
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you don't want to be in New York, you don't
have to be in New York. My question is simply
about kind of what Tom Brady experienced his second year
in Tampa. When you're used to doing something one way
for a long time and everybody knows your quirks, that's great,
But at some point in time if it's not successful,
does Aaron Rodgers demeanor change because he's not been great
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when things aren't great around him? That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
What say? Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Stewart and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
So many things got caught my craw. What's the cochet?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Got my craw this weekend, but stuck in my cross
stuck my craw there.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
But this one, this one was great. This is a
Joe showing he's the Giants GM And he said this
about draft grades.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
You don't win games in April. I mean, it's the
social media rankings and everything like that. You know, it's
it's about what we do this fall and you know,
how we go out there and compete, you know when
it matters, and how we continue to build this offseason
and get bigger, faster, stronger through our strength program than
you know, how we prepare and execute in August. You know,
I think there's a process and do I like some
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of the you know, the guys we drafted. Yeah, but still,
like Dave said, you know in this press conference, every
year is different, and the team's got a jail, and
we've got to build chemistry. There's we got to stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
There's a lot that goes into it.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
This was an answer to a question from a reporter like, Hey,
so and so give you a B plus grade. What
do you think about that? You think jams give a
shit about that. There should be a rule, Doug, unless
you are Daniel, Jeremiah mel kiper Todd McShay. In fact,
every every entity could have one draft expert. They could
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do grades, and then everybody else has to sit it out.
I don't want to know, Oh Joe Schmoe, who hosts
an afternoon show in Milwaukee, I don't want to know
his grades. Nobody should want to know draft garade. I
don't know what's more annoying in these days. Draft grades
are mock drafts because both of them are as empty
to me as the paper that they're written on. And
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so draft grades are annoying to me, Doug, and there
should be a rule.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I agree with you, and let me let me make
the proper correlation. Okay, in my mind, you ever watch
any of these entertainment shows, E Entertainment News or whatever.
The other ones are cringy. Yeah, well they're definitely cringey.
But the worst part about it is when they'll show
somebody's outfit or breakup whatever, and then they go do
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Sally two five seventy nine says that outfit is the bomb.
She looks incredible, Like great, you know what, I don't
fucking care. Nobody cares. Their opinion doesn't matter. And it's
why I don't do draft grades because my opinion doesn't
truly matter. I don't know so much. Like It's one
of the great things about when I talk to NFL
people is I just asked them questions, like I help
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me understand how this all works. You know, why did
you draft this guy? Well, this is what our board
looked like, this is what we did thought was gonna happen,
and this is this is why we did what we did.
So none of that is in the contact, you know,
because you know it's like, sometimes you draft a guy
because you want to motivate somebody else that position. Sometimes
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you draft a guy like how many people killed the Lions?
When they drafted a running back earlier than uh than
than some than than, then people thought they should oh
what are you drafting? They killed? Then they trade away
Swift and you're like, oh my god, they trade away Swift.
Look at what how he did? He pulls it off
like they got Swift because he wants a new contract
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and he's not going to play under his current contract,
and they had to come to some form of agreement
of will he play under the contract, will he get
a new deal? If he gets a new deal, what's
gonna look because otherwise he's not gonna play for the
Eagles either. But we have we just we we look
at things in a very linear wall. I didn't think
he was that good, So I'm gonna get like, who
gives a shit? Would you think? And you have to
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remember also, it's not an exact science. Forty nine percent
hit rate for a num present hit right. And and
now what you can do is I like this because
I like this idea, But that doesn't mean I like it. Yes,
John Ramos, it also has to do with I mean, look,
let's be honest. When we do the Gambler, we have
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an idea of what we're doing it's kind of a fun,
you know, tongue in cheek thing about you know, the parlay,
the two team parlay, kind of having some fun, but
you know, with a with a kind of an educated
idea of what's going on. It's the people who take
it seriously, right, And you're talking about kind of the
same thing with the draft experts, like we don't we
don't need to have.
Speaker 10 (30:53):
Nobody can be an expert on everything. Just like my
theory about like the American Idol stuff, which is true.
Everybody can't be a singer, right this, They can't be
this many great singers in America. We just couldn't find them,
all right. I mean it's it's like where did all
these people come from. It's the same as picking games
and what you're talking about the draft. You got to
pick one. You may be good at something else or
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okay't a couple of things, but you're not good at everything. Sorry,
hate to break it to everybody.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's why we don't talk about hockey. There you go,
we don't have to talk about hockey. It's it's not
it's not complete disrespect for the sport, but I just
I don't have I have a limit to my, my,
my knowledge of sports because I have a limit to
how much I can consume, and I have no And
there's never been a study done that says, hey, in
sports radio, you should talk about hockey. Matter of fact,
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it's the opposite of that. So I talk about what
other people want, Like I know a ton about college basketball.
We never talked about college basketball. Why because nobody gives
a shit most of the year. We just don't. So
you're you're you couldn't be more right. It's the people
that's the one that like, wait, you have a mock
draft for the NFL and the NBA. Excuse me, how
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does that work? Just be a genius if you could
be as you must be, just the most connected men
in all the sports, all right? Who else annoys you?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (32:15):
Man?
Speaker 6 (32:16):
God, so hard to choose so many good ones today.
I guess this is an obvious one. Not shaking hands
at the end of series, whether whatever sport you're playing.
I just think it's it's the right thing to do.
It's taking the high road if it's been a contentious series.
We saw two people did it this past weekend, one
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on the winning end, who Lebron James for whatever reason,
chose not to shake hands at to the end of
the series, and then Sabonis from the Kings. Yesterday, Draymond
Green said this on his podcast about Sibonis.
Speaker 11 (32:48):
Lost a lot of respect for Sabonis. You don't shake
guy's hands after you lose.
Speaker 8 (32:53):
I don't respect that.
Speaker 11 (32:54):
I once left the court when we lost in Game
seven and the Cleveland Cavaliers, and I went to my
life and I sat down and I said, this don't
feel right, and I walked back out on the court
and I showed everybody love you lost, deal with it,
pay your respect.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
That was whack to me.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
I think that's annoying, Doug, if you're not mad enough
to shake the hands of a team after a long series,
regardless of what happened. So Lebron and some bonus are annoying.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I'll give Lebron a little bit of a pass here.
When you win, I don't think it's as important. You know,
it's Look, if you're gonna win and you're gonna celebrate
and make an ass of yourself and then somebody comes
over to shake your hand and you ignore them, that's
different than you just like, Hey, I've done this for
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a long time. Those guys reducees all series, all season long. Like,
I'm not shaking their hands. This is not what I'm
what we're playing for, So I'd kind of get honestly,
and I rarely, if ever give Lebron a pass. I
kind of give them pass. When you get beat, that's
when you shake hands. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (34:03):
Well, and we were just got done talking about hockey.
We don't talk much about hockey, but they always shake him.
You got to give him credit. These are guys who
fight with each other on the actual eyes, beat each
other up, and yet at the end of the game,
they shake each other's hands out of respect for it.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
So, yeah, wouldn't it have been funny though? And and
Dylan Brooks would have deserved this, and I think we
all would have had a good good time with it
if Lebron went through the handshake wine and did one
of those uh middie and shake d and then you know, uh,
coma's hair or whatever you do, you rub your hair,
that would have been funny.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Great the uh so Dylan.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
As we're on topic of Dylan brook.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Wait, wait, by the way, in regards to notching hands,
it just shows that guys like Kevin Garnett were douchebags
when they get beat the Celtics, or douchebags when they
got beat. The Pistons were douchebags when they get beat.
You guys, everybody knows it. Like, let's not do the
rethink Like oh no, no, Isay Thomas he was really awesome,
Like no, no, he was a dick and everybody knew it.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Total dick. Yes, Dylan Brooks did a couple things.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Hold on, let me while I'm on it. Let me
just say this. Okay, So Isaiah has done. He's brilliant, right,
he's like a politician you know where. He's still good looking,
great smile. He's on NBA TV. So he's like trying
to recreate some narrative about it the truth and you
can just google this. He and Magic Johnson were best friends.
Magic contracts HIV and Isaiah was the was the one
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guy who was like basically putting out there Magic must
be bisexual in order to have contract this disease. Now,
part of it was again the time, but if it's
your they that's when they directly had a falling out
in your moment of despair when everybody in the world
thought Magic was gonna die of AIDS because we were
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told HIV leads to AIDS. Right. Remember I was both
jastut I was in a freshman high school. I'm guessing
you were a senior in high school at the time.
Freshman were college freshman college. Okay, Ramos was just starting
to work I think at the time. Yeah, ninety one
writing buyer. Buyer was a young kid, like in like
middle school, elementary school. But so we were all alive
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when that something like that happens and you bail on
your best friend and then layout false claims about him,
like fuck you dude. Oh yeah, by the way, yes,
what he said about Larry Bird don't give me the
well somebody else said and I just echoed it. And
know everyone there were numerous guys that didn't want him
on the Dream Team, not just Jordan. Many people thought
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Chuck Day, his own coach, didn't because nobody liked him.
And it's a long fucking trip. Okay. So Isaiah was
an incredible talent, but he was the dude that was
a dick that nobody liked. Let's not recreate a narrative now,
because you're on TV and you're older. Right when you're bankrupted,
the CBA I know plenty of people whose careers were
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ended because they signed up in the CBA, and he
fucked that thing up six ways sideways. His claim to
fame in Toronto was he drafted Damon Stotdemar. Congrats. It
wasn't like that was a great organization.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
He left.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
He took the Knicks that had a bad roster, completely
gutted it and made it an even worst roster and
a worst team that was over the salary cap. And
he signed a player who had an heart problem. Okay,
despite the fact the doctors wouldn't sign off on it
and there was no insurance on the contract. It's the
Eddie Curry contract is the worst contract in the history
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of sports. You're like, no, no, there's not, because all
these other contracts when somebody gets hurt are covered by insurance.
Eddie Curry's was not. Oh yeah, and there was a
ten million dollars sexual harassment claim right against the organization.
But he was directly involved. Like he's the worst of
the world. When he was the head coach of the Pacers,
they lost in the first round. He gets fired. The
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next year they lose to Michael Jordan in the finals. Okay,
so again, I think as a basketball player, Isaiah Thomas
was incredible as a dude. He was a dick as
an executive. He wasn't good and he's trying to recreate
this thing. And oh yeah, by the way, how do
we get to this town?
Speaker 6 (38:01):
How do I get to this tangent Isaiah Thomas?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah? What was the who was annoying that I pointed
out as annoying?
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Well, it's the not shaking hands thing.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Oh and oh yeah, by the way, what their act
of of disrespect towards the Chicago Bulls. Okay, who they
had beaten two years in a row after beating the
living shit out of Michael Jordan. Okay, so Michael Jordan.
He had to be put in a different offense, had
to learn to pass the ball. His teammates had to
grow up like this is the real shit about the
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Bulls was Scottie Pippen was viewed as a pussy. Everybody
thought he was soft, right, and he had to grow
a pair of balls and make some shots and make
some plays because the Pistons would constantly punk him. Michael
Jordan was like too tough for his own good. They
found him and he'd come back for more. He had
to learn to pass right. And then they had to
get Horace Grant, who was an incredible defender and tough
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dude and fucking medical Bill Cartwright, who nobody liked with
the Knicks, and they brought him in and Rahee replaced.
He was traded for Charles Oakley, Michael Jordan's best friend
and the enforcer on that team. They had to rework
the team and Scottie Pippen had to grow up pair
of balls, and then they fucking kicked the Pistons ass.
And you know what, my Isaiah Thomas Diddon said it,
looking him in the eye and shaking their hands. They
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cowered off the court at home. Fuck that. That's pussy bullshit.
I have no respect for it, and neither does Draymond Green.
That's what he's saying, whether he means to or not. Okay,
give me some others.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Uh Right. At this point, down Brooks is low hanging fruit.
And we talked about it in the radio show I
Do Want You talked about the worst contract in the
history of sports. I'm gonna one up you and say,
Deshaun Watson's been given the worst contract in the history
of sports. He he did what's something called a Twitter
spaces this weekend. I think I note that is. And
he was asked about, Hey, what about the people that
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said that he didn't have a good first season with
the Browns.
Speaker 12 (39:58):
He can't define my career off. That's how I'd be
when kind of things don't go your way and people
have their own opinions. But like I said, I'm gonna
keep a smile on my face. I'm gonna keep showing
love and all that that. None of that stuff is
gonna break me.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Man.
Speaker 12 (40:11):
I am who I am, and people know who I am.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
Okay, people know who you are. I'm not gonna let
that break me. They're not gonna let what break you.
Some criticism about six games with the Browns. You're cashing
massive paychecks and some team was foolish enough to give
you those paychecks. I just think that at this point
you should put your head down and not talk about
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being a victim in anything. He's not. He's not a
victim of any hate. There's nothing. He's got to put
his head down and keep his mouth shut. Deshaun Watson's
comments about not letting the six games with the Browns
defind him that those are annoying.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Agreed, annoying, annoying. He just you know, I don't know
if there's anything that he could say that wouldn't annoy you.
But good point other than you know what, I gotta
get better. I gotta live up to this contract. I
gotta live up. The Browns did backflips to get me right,
and I gotta live up to the contract. I'm gonna
(41:14):
go with draft grades. Mock mock draft grades as the
most annoying dudes, right, Mock drafts and draft grades like
from people that don't matter like you just you don't
have to, and not because you've got need to be
scared of old takes exposed. But you really don't know,
and so commenting on shit you don't know is dumb
(41:37):
dumb talk. People who give out mock drafts that aren't
Daniel Jeremiah mel Kiper Junior, Todd McShay, whomever, Joel Klatt,
those level guys. You haven't seen seen the players talk
to executives. You don't do it for a living, and
now you give out draft grades. You're nice, all right.
Let me get to my pick of the day.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Okay, So the bet is to you call in, baby,
It's time for the pick of the day.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Pick of the day, you got Celtics sixers and Sons Nuggets.
The Nuggets dominated the Suns in Game one. Kevin Durrant had,
though efficient shooting, the basketball had seven turnovers as the
team had sixteen turnovers, and of course Jamal Murray looked
like bubble Jamal Murray. It's Denver by four. This is
after winning by twenty. This is the game that everybody's
(42:28):
go now, Phoenix is gonna get right. Problem is second
game altitude is way harder. I like the Nuggets minus
the four to win and to cover. That's the pick
of the day. That's it for the end the Bonus Podcast.
Check out the radio show tomorrow three o'clock Eastern, twelve
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Foxsports Radio dot com.
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