IN THE BONUS with Doug Gottlieb

Doug talks about Bobby Knight and his complicated legacy before welcoming former Knight player and colleague Dan Dakich on the show to further talk about the passing of the legend. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on the Raiders. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Doug welcomes FSR betting analyst Jared Smith onto the pod to break down this weekend's college football wagering. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, listen, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres
in the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
What a Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Here on
Fox Sports Radio, the iHeartRadio app. Welcome in. Let's start

(00:37):
with this. Bob Knight passed away last night at the
age of eighty three years old. And what people don't
know is my dad was actually his teammate at Ohio State.
My dad wasn't on the varsity, was on the JV
JV practice with the varsity. He was a walk on.
My dad then became a high school coach after going
to grad school and the guy who he used to
take notes was one of his contemporaries from which was

(01:00):
Bob Knight. Was an incredible clinician. He was a head
coach at West Point when I think it was twenty
four years old. It's crazy. Then after like one year,
became the head coach at Indiana and he had we
used the word yesterday, fiefdom. He had a fiefdom. And
it's one of those stories that you're doing it an

(01:20):
injustice if you only tell the negative. You do an
injustice if you only tell the positive. But you're also
doing it all an injustice if you don't say the
positive far outweigh the negative. But there's so many lessons
to be learned, you know. One, there's a lot of
people who don't really know how he taught what he taught.

(01:43):
But the lessons that he taught as offensively, defensively, competitiveness, toughness.
It was also the old school, which was break them down,
building back up. I break him down, building back up.
All of those things real things, and all of those
things helped build this indelible legacy where he was he's

(02:06):
probably the most influential coach ever. His last undefeated team,
he won multiple national championships. Even though he didn't love
the three point shot, he embraced enough for Steve Alford
in the first year they had the three pointer, who
shot over fifty percent from three and won the NCAA
championship that year. In nineteen eighty seven, beat in Syracuse,
he resurrected Texas text program. I think had he not

(02:29):
had he gone to TV earlier, like a decade earlier,
he would have been great on TV. He was not,
And because of how it ended Indiana, because of how
it was when he was on TV, and because of
so many of the videos of the antics, most people
think he was a psychopath. And I think there was
a there was a switch there that could be flipped,

(02:50):
that he could get there. But there's also you have
to take context into it. Coaching was so different, then
so different, then all right, there we go three two.
So it's a complicated legacy. But I think as we
see so many of these incredible, incredible coaches and frankly

(03:11):
men and some women go on to the afterlife, I
think it's important to paint the real picture. Was he
a bully? Yeah? Could he be charming? Absolutely? Was he
well read and well thought of? He's brilliant, brilliant. Would
it work today? Probably not. Is that a good thing? Maybe?

(03:35):
Maybe not? But I do think that he was worthy
of study, worthy of praise. And if you get caught
up in the negative moments, the bad moments in anybody's life,
in anybody's career, and you don't see the overall forest
because you're too close to the trees, you're gonna miss
out in a lot of history, a lot of good history.

(03:58):
Guy changed a lot of life for the better. He
was about educating, he was about getting people onto a
better life in basketball outside of basketball. Do I agree
with all of his message? Of course not, of course
not who would? But do I think a lot of
them worked and there's ways to tweak them and use today. Absolutely? Absolutely.
Bob Knight dead at the age of eighty three years old.

(04:21):
And by the way, good friend of mine, Mike Lewis,
we have podcast and all Ball. You can hear Mike
Mike Lewis talk about playing for coach Knight. He was
his last point card. We were supposed to play them
in two thousand and the NCAA tournament. They got upset
by Pepperdine. Pepperdine and so he beat Pepperdine in the
second round. And of course the video came out had
come out previously, and then it was the no tolerance
policy and he went off on a student who yelled

(04:43):
at him, Hey Night, and he was all about respect
to sheolb me Coach Knight, and he lost his job
and then eventually resurrected Texas Tech. For more on that,
let's welcome in. Dan Dakisch of course, hosts his own
show on OutKick. He was a very good player in college.
Of course, fame shut down Michael Jordan the NCAA tournament.
He became an excellent assistant coach, head coach, and then

(05:06):
college basketball analyst and a really successful radio host Indianapolis.
Now he hosts a national show which you can see daily,
an OutKick. He's the one only Dan dockets. He joins
us here in the Bonus and the Doug Gottlieb Show,
on the iHeartRadio app, in Fox Sports Radio and Double D.
You've lived a series of lives with Bob Knight. Your

(05:27):
first meeting with your late great coach swhere you know.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
What, Doug. I was at a high school game. I
had thirty and a half scored forty nine school record.
I came home and my dad says, hey, man, you
know you You said the school record. I didn't know that.
I go, Okay, he goes, but I got pretty good
news for you. He goes. Indiana's assistant was there and

(05:53):
they want to invite us to the Big Ten championship
game Saturday or Sunday. I think it's probably Son against
Ohio State. I said, let's go. So we go to
the game. And I'm from Chicago, basically not Southern Indiana
or Middle Indiana. We followed de Paul, you know, Notre Dame,
that kind of stuff. And I've never been to assembly hall.

(06:16):
We walked in and holy hell, I mean, I'm like, whoa,
look at this game's over. Indiana wins. We don't know
nothing about recruiting. Zero zip. My dad, my brother and
I we're just leaving. We're like, all right, hey, great game,
thanks for you know, we didn't talk to anybody. We were
just leaving. Jimmy Cruzy assistant grabs us and goes, hey,

(06:38):
where you going. We go, game's over, go no, come
out in the locker room. We're like, really, So we
went to the locker room. Long story short, They celebrate night,
tells my dad and my brother and I to wait here,
and he's got to do media players say hello, and
then they leave and it's just me, my dad, and
my brother in the locker room and I'm looking at
this board. Doug. It's still in the locker room. Probably today.

(07:01):
It was goals for each game, like sixty five points,
new opponent stores twenty, that kind of thing. And Doug,
all of a sudden, I get hit in the right ear,
like smacked on the side here, and I turned my
right shoulder with my left Flint. My left fifth clinched,
like what the whoop? And it's the coach Knight and

(07:22):
my dad and my brother are laughing because they know
I didn't see him coming. And he goes, hey, are
are you gonna come play here in Indiana? And I
looked at my dad and my brother. I said, well,
are you offering me a scholarship? He goes, yeah, I'm
offering you a scholarship, dumb ass. Yes, what do you
think I'm offering you? I go, okay, yeah, I'm playing

(07:42):
at Indiana. And that was pretty much it. That was
the first time I met him and kind of started
what was that nineteen eighties so like a seventeen year
thing with coach nine.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
So the nineteen eighty that team when you recruit, that
was the unefeated team.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
No.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Seventy six was under foued. Nineteen eighty was Mike Woodson
was the MVP and he had come back for the
last four games of the year and they had to
beat Clark Kellogg and Herb Williams and winner won the
Big ten, loser didn't, and uh yeah, it was nineteen
eighty year before they won national championship. I was a junior,
so my high school graduating year was eighty one, the
year they won national championship.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Okay, so what was it like for you to play
for What was it really like? Because that was prime
coach nine, off a national championship, off a couple of
national championships, he could have run for governor and won unopposed.
Was what was that experience?

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Like?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
You know what, Doug? It was hard. I mean my
first practice, I can remember this day. I looked over
at our manager, Mike Fox, and I'm going to die, Doug.
I mean, I'm like, you know, people say they're going
to die. I literally thought I was going to die.
I looked over at at Mike and Mike how much
time left? And he looked at his goes, you got
two hours and forty minutes left. And I'm like, oh hell.

(09:06):
It was hard, but it was our thing. I tell
people all the time. We beat Miami my first game
as a freshman. I played one minute right before the half,
scored five points, and you know, I'm like, all right,
this is pretty cool. We come in the locker room
and coach Knight throws us out. He makes us go
dress in the football locker room, says we're not worthy
we won by twenty and had a practice next morning

(09:26):
at six am. And but you know, it just gonna
sound sick to people, but we loved it. I mean,
it was our thing. Some guys quit, no doubt, but
it was kind of like, I don't know, it was
like sadistic, almost like hey man, if why do you
like this? I don't know. I'd rather not have it.

(09:49):
I'd rather win every game. But he was hard, man.
But he was also funny as hell. I mean, and
you could tell. The one thing I've always told people
is and people don't necessarily believe this, he was very uncomplicated.
He wanted you to play well, do the right thing,
go to class, and that's it. He didn't have people

(10:10):
act like he had all these interests. He read books,
but if he wasn't working at basketball, then he was hunting.
Its very simple, really, but it was hard. I mean,
we practiced hard. If you lost, you knew you were
going to be there, maybe right after the game, if
you certainly did not want to lose before Christmas, because

(10:32):
you never knew if you were going to have Christmas.
But as I tell people, the good far, the daily good,
Oh man, it is a blast being an Indiana basketball player.
And you know what else, Doug, And you'll appreciate this
because you've coached and you've played. He was fair like
I tell people all the time, there's a lot of
coaches now they get eight guys wood and used to

(10:52):
get eight guys and that's it that coach night. And
I learned this my freshman year. We're playing at Kentucky
with Minifield and Bowie and Turpin and these guys, and
they're kicking our ass and I'm literally the last guy in,
Like I think he would have put in managers. But
I get in last six seven minutes and we cut
the lead from twenty to about eight at Rup and

(11:15):
you know, I'm just passing the ball and not turning
it over. Made a couple of steals the next thing,
you know, I started probably half the time for the
remainder of the season. So if you came to practice
and you worked hard, you might not get it the
next day, but eventually you're gonna get a real good opportunity.
And I always thought that was great, Doug. I always
thought just being fair like that was the way you

(11:38):
should be. And he was very very tough, but very
very funny and very very fair, there.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Was and like we can we can be honest about it,
Like there was another side. There was a side to
it where he would be He could be angry, you know,
he could he could be downright mean and nasty. What
was that like to process? Considering all the good that
was there as well?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, that wasn't good. And really the real anger stuff,
you know, kind of happened later. And you know, I
remember telling him when I left to go to Bowling
Green because when he did, I didn't see the deal
with Neil Reid. I was on the other side of
the court. I caught the end of it, and I
remember going to the locker room and screaming at him,
what the are you doing? Because I was a player

(12:24):
and you don't ever put your hands on a player,
blah blah blah, you know, And then I went to
the locker room. And really it didn't seem like to
read or anybody else had a problem, but those episodes
were awful. And I used to tell him, like, that's
what you can't head buddy, What the hell are you
doing headbutting a guy? Those been over the line and
there's no doubt about it, There's no question and They

(12:45):
really started happening later when he did not work at it,
and I really I'm not a psychologist, and I hate
when people do. But I remember telling him, coach, you
must feel guilty because he wouldn't recruit, He wouldn't go
see Jack Vonne, he wouldn't go spend the day with
ray La Frend when he was on our campus. We
had Jaheidi White, committed, Lauren Woods, Chris Carewell, and he

(13:06):
wouldn't even go see him. But I think he felt
guilty late, and I think when you feel guilty, you
get frustrated, and that's when a lot of those things
came out. The chair deal Doug. I was sitting right
next to him getting ready to go in the game
against Purdue, and the chair was there was two things.

(13:26):
First time, he never wore a sport coat and Juve
Pop our center told me, be goes Danny coach getting
thrown out today. That's what we're talking about it because
he's not wearing a sport coach, so we do won't
have anything to throw. He told me that as we're
running out onto the court, and he tried to throw
a sport code but he didn't have one on it.
We had seen him throw a chair. Randy Whitman counted
one time he and I counted night through fifty two

(13:46):
chairs one day in practice against the wall. He were
all these red plastic chairs. So that wasn't that wasn't
the same level of frustration as the red thing or Wilkerson.
But those were horrible. And I tell people all the time,
I don't justify it. And I told Coach when I
left in nineteen ninety seven, I said, you know, if
you don't have somebody in here that is going to

(14:08):
tell you that you're screwing things up, then you're gonna
get fired. Because athletic directors and presidents have egos. And
because I used to do that, I'm not saying I
would do it. You know I did it. I'm not
saying he listened, but I would. You know he would
if he call him down, he'd say what do you think?
And I'd say, Coach, that's idiotic. You better go apologize,

(14:29):
you better, you know whatever. But everybody's got an ego,
and you do that enough, of course, the people in
power are going to assert their ego, and that's what
ultimately happened.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
What was he like in these last ten years where
he disappeared from public eye.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
You know, Doug, I really didn't know we had a
falling out. You were at ESPN then, and he he
he bad mouthed me. I mean he wanted you know,
I was doing Tuesday ESPN Big Ten Games, and you
know I had people at the ESPN saying, man, coach
Night bad mouthing you. And so I don't really know.
Our last conversation was at ESPN Selection Sunday, and it

(15:10):
didn't go well. He was just the two of us
down in that basement where Digger used to hold court,
you know, on the on the you know, building four
or whatever, and it didn't go well. But I tried
a few years ago. His doctor, Doug is my doctor,
and I was in Bloomington. He was my heart doctor.
And I said, hey, man, if I go see coach Night,
you know, and just talk to him, will he be

(15:31):
a jackass to me? And will I have to, you know,
get in an argument. He goes Dan, He said, coach
won't know who you are. He said he might on
a really good day, but ninety percent of the time
he not going to know who you are. And and Doug,
that was sad to me. And when I when I
heard that he passed yesterday, two things hit me. And
you and I both dealt with this. You know, I
don't give a damn how old you are. You lose

(15:52):
your daddy, you lose your mom. It's awful. I was
fifty two. I think when I lost my dad. I
remember when you lost your dad. And I immediately thought
about Timmy and Pat, his two sons, losing their dad.
And then the other thing I thought, Doug was, it's
so sad because you were on the West coast. You
know how people revered John Wood that would come out

(16:13):
to his little apartment. So many coaches have pictures, you know,
to get his wisdom and to get his knowledge and
to just spend time. And I was really hoping, and
dementia is such a horrible disease. I was really really
hoping that, you know, once he got done broadcasting and
things settled down for him a little bit, that he
would become that kind of guy. But dementia robbed him

(16:35):
of that. Dementia robbed us of that. Dementia robbed his players.
Dementia robbed guys like you that loved basketball, that would
just love to sit and talk to a guy. You know,
with that kind of history, and he would have loved
to have done that. Bob Knight, I know, would have
loved to have become that guy. But dementia, God, dang it,

(16:55):
it just it destroyed the greatest mind I've ever been around.
And not just that keepball mind. He had an ability
to doug. He could figure stuff out, whether it was
live personal, and you'd be like, holy cow, that makes
so much sense. He was just and I just I
hate Alzheimer's and dimension all that stuff because it robs
the brain and it's just horrible. You know.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
It's interesting. I think I think, you know, my dad
was on the team with him in the house time, right,
So I think that had he got into broadcasting before
it ended at Indiana, there's a chance he could have
gone down as maybe the greatest broadcaster ever.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
He didn't have what al McGuire had in terms of
just being fun and being glib, but he was as
you know, he could when he wanted to turn on
the charm. He was a charmer and he could be
really funny, and he was really smart. But he just
had a presence that so you have. But by the
time he came around to broadcasting, he was a curmudgeon,

(17:59):
and he was he was defensive, and it was he
was get kind of get off my lawn. And actually,
I actually think the broadcasting did him a disservice because
you know, there's lots of people out there that are
thirty five or younger and all they know of him
is Neil Reid, a little bit of Texas tech, a
lot of grumpy broadcasting, and they've seen an old video

(18:22):
of him throwing a chair, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
And that's sad. And you're right, I didn't think. I
did not think I was going to get to play
for him. And when land and Turner got hurt, which
was the summer before I went there, he thought seriously,
before Landon got hurt, he thought seriously of getting out
of broadcasting. And one of the assistants was pretty close
to my dad, and he said, you know, CBS offered

(18:47):
Coach Night an unbelievable deal to broadcast games. And I
can't remember the timing. You know, NBC used to have
it with Billy and Coach maguire and of course Dick Enburgh,
so I don't know, I don't know the exact timing
of it all. But apparently he was going to be
basically CBS's lvaguire, and according to the assistant coach to
my dad, he was going to take the job or

(19:07):
was seriously considering taking the job, and that would have
been the summer of nineteen eighty one, a year after
they won national championship. And then Landon Turner gets paralyzed
in a horrific car accident and he goes on a
rampage to make money and support land In and couldn't leave,

(19:27):
you know, couldn't. No, no, no, no no, I'm not doing that.
I'm going to you know, I got players here, I
got people that care. So I really think, Doug, to you,
I think your point is absolutely right, one hundred percent.
I think that he was going to do it. It
was offered to him, but Landon's injury or Landon's crash
really changed his opinion on it. But there's no doubt

(19:50):
he was. He was very good. But you couldn't be
more right. I think that younger people today, not that
young either, you know, maybe thirty five, maybe forty, under
view him in very very very certain terms. Now you see, Doug,
you know, he really I mean, if you really pay attention,

(20:11):
a lot of tributes, but that whole senior night speech
of you know, I want him to bury right down,
and you know that's that's the stuff that you see man,
and you know that that was a part of him,
no doubt. But as I tell everybody, the good and
on a day to day basis, the good, the fun
outweighed you know, the other garbage.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
You know, ten to one basketball wise. What are the
things I've tried to tell people? You know, there's there's
lots of like, well, you know, the motion offense. People
don't know. When he was first at West Point earlier Indiana,
he ran something called the California Reverse, which is p
Newle offense, right. Yeah, and he was the considered the

(20:54):
greatest clinician, you know, he and Hubie Brown were the
clinicians that everybody would go to. My dad's still had
left behind copious notes from from coach knights a clinics.
But you coach with him, you played for him. What
are the things that he taught that are still taught today?

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, you know, I don't care what job you're in.
Preparation was something I did not know. My high school
coach was great, but we played at two three zone.
We played in the state finals, and my high school
coach didn't even want to swap tapes with the other school.
He's like, now we do what we do, which is
an old guest John Wooden thing. But I was shocked, Doug,
I didn't know what to walk through was. I had
no idea. I had no idea what a scout team

(21:34):
was literally no idea. And you know, when you think
about the job that you're in, or the job that
any of us are in, you got to prepare for
the job. I mean, if you're a school teacher, you
got you got teachers plans. If you're a broadcaster, you know,
you're not just showing up two minutes before and doing
a show. You're preparing. And that's in every job. And
that's the thing. And the other thing about him is,

(21:54):
you know what, Doug, I will say, this man he
worked at it. I was probably believe the last six years.
Let me see, I was four years of player, two
years of graduate assistant, two years and probably the last
four years five six years did We would go down
to this little room off of the court and sit
there and watch film, and I mean till two o'clock

(22:18):
when we'd go to lunch and come back for a
three thirty practice. I mean every day like he was.
I try to tell people, this wasn't that complex. Man.
We were gonna sit there, we were gonna watch film,
we were gonna study, we were going to take notes,
we were going to watch more, watch more, watch more,
and come up with what we were gonna do or
what he was gonna do. And you know, we were

(22:39):
myself and other assistants, we were just you know, side
pieced to it. But that's what it was. And he
worked at it. He wasn't showing up at you know,
three o'clock for a three thirty practice with a half
assed practice plan. He every drill, everything we do every
day was scripted and player, as a player, you knew
it like you knew every day, Doug, that he was

(23:01):
bringing it. There was no bullshit there, excuse me, there
was okay, all right, There was no nonsense. There was
no he's going to take this day off, none, zero zip.
You knew he was bringing it, period, no question. And
so when you combine those things and you got a

(23:22):
mind that can see things better than anybody that I've
ever been around, in a very matter of fact way,
pretty good. It's a pretty good combination, but the idea
of being fair and making sure that everybody feels included.
He did a great job with that. The idea that
we're going to work at it and we're going to
prepare like crazy. He did a great job with that,

(23:44):
and the idea that he was he was every day
going to bring it. Now, some days it was teaching,
some days it was to teach lessons, some days it
was to punish. But it was not going to be
half hazard. It was going to be thought out and
done really really organized organized.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Would he be able to be Did he have the
ability you think, to evolve, to be able to be
anywhere near successful in today's landscape.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
No, he would have had the ability, but not to
want to. He Doug. I always tell people this, and
this is probably me going to offend some guys, but
I see all these guys in the Hall of Basketball
Hall of Fame, right, they're all the modern coach in
the basketball Hall of Fame is if you really look
at it, every one of them has either been on probation,
been suspended for cheating something something except him, Now, he

(24:39):
got suspended for kicking his kid, you know, or something
stupid like that, but never for anything where he had
to deal with boosters or agents, or that whole Duke
thing where you know the Louisiana newspaper had a few
years ago, where there are guys that live in fricking
Alaska or somehow some way living in Durham. They're fans

(25:00):
or dealing with shoe companies or Marvin Bagley's of the world.
He could have done it like he could have. He
would have put up if he won. I was used
to say, Man, if you ever wanted to cheat, you'd
be the smartest dude to ever cheat, because he had
that kind of brain. He had diabolical brain. But his
I love is his conscience or his morals or whatever

(25:21):
it was. He could scream at you. Obviously he could
grab a player, Obviously he could head by player. But
he wasn't going to cheat, Doug. And when I say
he wasn't going to cheat, I mean to tell you
he was going to. I got fired. You were probably
a player. There was a time where you could only
call players once a week.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
And yeah, you only call guys once a week. They
could call you you want, but you can only call
them once a week.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yes, right, So I was on the road in Canada,
and I called the player and he had said, hey,
I just talked to Coach Felling, one of our assistants,
a couple of days ago. And I'm like, oh crap,
I mean this is a nothing rule. This rule doesn't
matter nothing right, But I'm glad. So I called a
compliance lady. The compliance was just getting started, and she

(26:07):
got a hold a coach. I had to come back
home from Canada get a flight. The only time actually
was the first time I ever got drunk on a flight.
I figure, what the hell I'm getting fired, Give me
a couple bottles of Jack Daniels and let me just
sit here. And I got reamed out. I was gonna
be fired off for making one phone call, but that's

(26:27):
what he was. He was not and so could he
do it? I think he could? Would he do it?
There's nothing in his makeup that I knew that said
he was gonna deal or evolve into shoe companies or
agents or any of that stuff. Nothing zero that I
knew of them.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
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OutKick WD. You're the best man. Thanks for joining me.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Hey, Doug Honord, you invited me, my friend, Thanks, my friend.

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the Raiders.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
Antonio Pierce, interim head coach for the Raiders, and coincidental,
who's he facing his first game as head coach?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
His New York Giants.

Speaker 7 (27:27):
Good time to face the Giants, by the way, And
I started looking at the roster. You know, when you
think of a team that's going to fire its coach
mid season, the Raiders really don't fit that form. Because
you do have a good whie, a great wide receiver.
You've got a really good running back, you got Max Crosby,
a really good edge rusher. Those are the ingredients that

(27:47):
you need to start your team with. Now you do
have to have a good, you know, a consistent quarterback,
and they are missing that. I don't know if Aidan
O'Connell from Purdue is going to be the answer, but
I know reading everything, they like him a lot, and
maybe they find their brock Perty then all of a sudden,
get rid of Jimmy Garoppolo's salary. You're going to bring
in a new coach, new GM, but you gotta find

(28:10):
somebody who's going to be a football guy to help
Mark Davis the owner, because you can get rid of
Josh McDaniels. Well, you never should have hired him in
the first place.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah, I look, we said this yesterday, and I mean it.
It's a very Raiders move. It's not a crazy move
considering doesn't urch you in the salary cap and Mark
Davis said he didn't. He saw regression, not progression. I
think the two things that ultimately got Josh McDaniels fired

(28:46):
and maybe this because maybe I can think of a third,
which is very simple. He hadn't won previously, and so
you don't have this, you don't have the equity of Hey, look,
just trust the process. This guy knows what he's doing, right,
Like Sean Payton, no matter how bad it goes this
year and maybe even next, you'll still go like, you know,
Sean Payton's been pretty good for a decade in New Orleans.
Josh doesn't have that as head coach. But the two

(29:06):
things that undid it were one, you know how he
kind of purpored himself and of course, you know, bringing
in all expatriot guys, you know, bringing in guys that
have he's gone to war with before. But to the
biggest thing is Garoppolo wasn't didn't play well enough.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I talked to people in the league last night and
they were like, doesn't. I'm not really big on O'Connell,
but we've seen Garoppolo. He hasn't been good enough. He
get his coach fired. So I I think that's a
big portion of it, and it is a bit of
a bold move. I do think it's curious the timing
with the Jim Harbaugh stuff and the fact that people

(29:42):
have thought Harball would ultimately be a guy with the Raiders.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves yet. I don't
know if Harpball is going to leave college. You know
those deals. You wake up with a better roster than
nine o the ten teams you play, why would you
ever leave that? On the the other hand, I think
we see the reasons that this change was made. Here's

(30:06):
two pros and a cup of Joe talking about Bob Knight.
I love that guy.

Speaker 8 (30:10):
And I know, I lists I know nowadays probably in
the minority when it comes to well, you know, that
wouldn't be accepted these days. And his treatment of players
and all that that was old school as old school
could get. And I thought he was hilarious. I thought
it was great.

Speaker 9 (30:24):
He was effective too, And yeah, he was an Ohio guy.
You know, a lot of people recognize him as you know,
the Indiana head basketball coach because of his success there
as a coach, but born in Ohio, born right outside
of Maslin and went to Ohio State. Like I grew
up knowing Bobby Knight for that, Like he was a

(30:46):
part of the teams with John Havlicek and Jerry Lucas
that they won a national championship. They went to three.
They actually lost in the finals twice, but that was
kind of the legend of what I knew of him
growing up in Columbus, Ohio. And you know, it was
interesting watching his coaching career because as great of a
coach as he was, there was also controversy that came

(31:08):
along with it. But you couldn't deny the fact that
he was passionate about the game. He was passionate about
the players he coached, and I just you know, it's
one of those legendary coaches that you lose and you say,
like they'll never be anyone like Bob Knight again. Never.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Well that's true, that is absolutely the truth. Talked about
a little bit in the open. You know that it's
a complicated legacy. It's unfair to not mention the negative,
but it's also unfair to not mention the positive. And
I think it's one of those things where so oftentimes

(31:50):
guys coach a little bit too long, the timing of
when you do everything in your life. But make no
mistake about it, he was a brilliant man, a brillian
in basketball, coach and as revered in the coaching profession
as anyone who has ever done it, ever done it.
And he did evolve. They did embrace the three point
shot when he was at Texas Tech, but he there

(32:15):
was a there was a temper there that was unlike
any that others got away with. But I had I
have so many friends that played for him, and you know, look,
my coach who I played for, he had his own flaws.
He never won national championship, but he had his own
flaws which you can hold against him, but the overall
good was so much better than the overall bad. The

(32:40):
thing I think people don't know or can't understand unless
they played against or were at a Bob Knight game,
was it's about presence. He was a big man. He
was like six foot three, six foot four. And I'll
never forget my four game, or maybe no, my second

(33:01):
game at at Notre Dame. We played at Indiana, played
in assembly Hall, and you know, I had met him
one or two previous times, and I had my dad
was friendly with them. I won't say they were friends.
It was like so many who came in contact with
Bob Knight. My dad was a walk on on those

(33:23):
teams at Ohio State who played JV. He didn't play
varsassity practice against those guys. But it wasn't like they
were best buddies. But they were more than cordial. And sometimes,
you know, when Bob Knight wanted to turn on the charm,
he turned on the charm. But when he walked out
with that red sweater and the red polo shirt underneath,
and he had a bunch of other co minions, we

(33:45):
used the word fiefdom yesterday. He had his own fiefdom
in Bloomington like that. Dude had a presence and a
remarkable wit, incredible sense of humor. He was incredibly well
read as well. And he was complicated. And the complication
comes from you can't mention the bad without mentioning the

(34:07):
overall good. But you can't just do all the good
and not say, like, man, you can't put your hands
on a player. You can't do some of the things
he said, you know, the chair throwing, the chair kicking,
the way in which at times he would treat and
talk to people like those things. They didn't play well,
then they wouldn't play at all. Now here's Colin Cowherd

(34:30):
talking about the Lakers.

Speaker 10 (34:31):
Lebron was remarkable last night. He filled up the box
score thirty five twelve seven assists in forty two minutes.
Forty two minutes. That's not ideal. Listen, Lebron is better
than any basketball player in the history of the world
in year twenty one. But it's remarkable how much better
he is. At the end of the game, he had

(34:51):
the most energy, he was the best player, he was
the most efficient. If the NBA was March Madness and
the playoffs were just one game, at a time, everybody
equally rested one game, couple nights off, three nights off,
another game. I think Lebron could peel off an NBA championship.
I'm thinking right now. Though the NBA is long, the

(35:12):
playoffs are longer. Seven games against the best teams, the
best defense is the same players in a series. They
know all your tricks. They're long, hard minutes. He'll wear down,
he'll get banged up, he won't be as effective, and
that's why they're not gonna win a championship. But it's
year twenty one, year twenty one. He's not supposed to
be in these win sprints in November supposed to be

(35:35):
a marathon, and the Lakers are trying to scale back
as minutes. And then it gets to the fourth quarter
and it's the Clippers and you're at Staples and you
can't beat them, and it is a rivalry and it
feels like a playoff game, and it really did last night.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Look, I'll tell you about the game. So I watched
every second of that game, and he is remarkable. And
what's really about Lebron is how he's able to conserve
energy at times. Truly, there were a big stretch of
the game. There was a big, big stretch in the

(36:11):
third quarter, and that's really where the Clippers maybe lost
the game. Third quarter, early fourth where he was out,
and that's where the Lakers were better. And they were
better because they were much more connected defensively, and they
let Austin Reeves kind of do his thing and Anthony
Davis do his thing. But Lebron he takes plays off defensively.

(36:32):
He'll take a lot of plays off offensively and just
let others do their deal and kind of stand around
and walk around and catch his breath and then when
need be, you know, he's become a really good shot maker.
And then you know he has a couple of those
sprint out dunks. I think he had probably three or
four of those sprint out dunks.

Speaker 11 (36:48):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
He had a spread out dunk. He had a technical
free throw, two technical free throws, he had a couple,
he had a catch and shoot wide open three. It's
like the score belies how much he actually does, because
there are times in which he does look old. But
for thirty nine years old, I mean, it's incredible. Incredible.
Clipper screwed that game up, make no mistake about it.

(37:11):
They don't have a deep enough bench because they don't
have Harden yet. They don't have they don't have their
backup to guard their starting bones Highland and what's his name,
Trey Uh oh shit, huh yeah, yeah, they don't have
Man playing just yet. He's got a bad ankle. You know,

(37:34):
when you add Harden, you add Man. They were already better,
and of course Paul George is in foul trouble, but
it shouldn't take away from how remarkable Lebron is. But
the flaw to that team is they got to count
like we're gonna look up right now and like Austin Reeves,
what a crossover, what a finish. Austin Reeves didn't do

(37:56):
much much most of the game. Matter of fact, he
hurt them because they went at him defensive. So I
don't think there's any question he's the best conditioned athlete
I have ever seen. And because he never had times
in his career where he let himself get out of shape,
I think the lack of true debilitating injuries. But yeah,

(38:16):
last night not ideal for the long term, but a
huge win for the Lakers in the short term. SAME's
find out what's annoying Jason Stewart and now it's your annoying.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
Hey, did you know the Chiefs are going to Germany
this weekend? Their receiver Marquez Valdez Scantling said something very
insightful and I appreciate his honesty.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
It sounded like this, what are you.

Speaker 12 (38:52):
Guys doing that's different this week? Obviously the travel is
a big thing there. How has Andy and the staff
crap you guys to like you said, nine to thirty
in the morning, kickoff, jet lag travel, et cetera.

Speaker 13 (39:05):
You know, we haven't started yet. I mean, today's our
first day back, you know, so we have to go
over look over to tape for the last game. So
we haven't even talked about our plans for this upcoming week.
So we'll find that out tomorrow. I'm not even sure
what day we leave, but you know, obviously it's going
to suck with both teams that have to travel over there.
So you know, we'll we'll both be on the same
page of you know, how to deal with that time

(39:28):
difference and you know, being able to go out and
play a game at you know, not thirty in the
morning or what do it feel like not thirty in
the morning to us?

Speaker 6 (39:35):
Okay, so that he went on to say that he
would have to find a dog sitter for his dogs
and leave his family and it's not really enjoyable. I
give him credit for saying out loud, I think what
a lot of players think, and frankly, what a lot
of fans think. Basically, what Marquez is saying is what's

(39:56):
in this for me? And I think NFL fans and
America should be asking that too, Like this whole thing
about the London and Germany games and stuff, like they
try to make it out to be a big deal
to us, like we need to care, like that's That's
what's annoying is the NFL's attempt to kind of gaslight
us into thinking that us playing in Germany is a

(40:17):
big deal and you should be excited about it. Why
what does it do for me? And Marquez, to his credit,
isn't very thrilled to play there, and I don't I
don't blame him.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Right, I don't know, dude. I mean, I I just so,
So what's annoying to you is that everybody else, you
think bullshits and acts like they're excited to play there,
and he's the only one being real about it.

Speaker 6 (40:44):
No, what annoys me is that the NFL expects me
to be excited about it, and.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I expect you to be excited about it.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
Really, they do a lot of promotion on this.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, because they're trying to They're just trying to grow
I mean, it's a it's a different time to watch it.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
No, this is to grow the game into Europe. This
is to get more eyeballs. This is this is like
the halftime show. I know, idea halftime shows not for
me and you, halftime shows for people who wouldn't normally
watch football. That's what this is for.

Speaker 6 (41:14):
Yeah, I just I can't get excited about it. I
don't know what it does for me. I will tell
you somebody who gets excited about everything, and this is
what annoys me. Steve Barmer talked about the new Basketball
a rental last night.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Set out to build what I call Basketball Heaven.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
You know, the most intense, hardcore, just bumping and pounding
arena ever built. Fifty one straight rows, no streets on
one side.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Steve to get it like a college gym.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
We got an acre of scoreboard so we can tell
you every statistics, every replay, everything. We have an extra
court in the building just for the fans. In addition
to the game court, we have an outdoor court for
fans basketball.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
When you get up to go, you get up to
whatever he used the.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Bathroom gets some deep who wants you to get back
in that seat, because it's all about the hoop man,
It's all about the hope.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I guess I should say.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
Here's what annoys me about this. I've never been that
excited about anything in my wife and I have a
feeling Steve Bomber is that excited about every endeavor he's
ever done in his life. And I respect it. I'm
envious of it. But what annoys me is I can
never get to that level. Doug Uh, Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I mean, you know, I mean what I've heard about
Seve Bahmer is he's the best owner in the world
because he just does He never asked how much it costs.
You know, it doesn't make sense, Okay, then do it? So, yeah,
I get it, Like that level of energy, that level
of passion. Granted, remember he's got so much money and
he just keeps making his money, makes money, so he

(42:55):
can have that level of passion for silly things like
like acre of score. You know, and none of it matters.
By the way, the team stinks, So the team's got
to be good. But I will tell you I've heard
only incredible things about what they're doing with the into
It dough who else.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
Rob Manfred on the biggest stage of the what do
you call it, the pinnacle of his sport, handing out
the World Series trophy to the team that just won,
basically in a historic fashion. By the way, we talked
about this on the radio. What the Rangers did was
just amazing. Nobody saw it, but it was amazing. Rob
Manfred pulls up Peter Brady. Now I know I'm dating myself,

(43:34):
but I think John, you remember the episode Peter Brady.
His voice is changing. He's got to sing in the
choir or something.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
No, they're making an album when it's time to.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Chance the Brady Family album.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, yeah, and his voice is changing. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
So Rob Manfred pulls up Peter Brady as he's trying
to give it away the trophy.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Sixty three years is a long time to wait.

Speaker 13 (43:58):
But the Texas Rangers, our world suing champions.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
It's my distinct pleasure to present the Commissioner's Trophy to
Ray Davis.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Neil Liegman and Chris Now sixty three years.

Speaker 10 (44:17):
I could get why a fan Doug would be like
because you're screaming during the game.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
But isn't he neutral? Like who would why would his
voice be out? Because he probably went to parties tonight before.
He's probably sick, sick. Okay, I don't think he's sick.
I don't think that's what it is. Here's this is
honestly what happens. He goes. There's a big thing when
you go. It's like Super Week is in Vegas this year,
so the every night there's a party, there's a you know,

(44:41):
and if you like to get a dinner party, it's fine,
Like I only do dinner parties at the super Bowl
until Friday night and then I'll go out and do
whatever because you got to get it the next day
and talk. You know, you have to talk for a living.
So when you go to a party, you're like, what, yeah,
now they're incredible, and then you wake up the next
day and you can't if you don't speak for a living.
Even when you do speak for a living, it's hard

(45:02):
and if you don't, you can lose your voice, no question.
I think that's what happened, but it is. It's it's annoying.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
Huh so Manfred the Germany game and Steve Bomber's excitement
that I can never read.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I got I got one, I got one. Last night,
the Lakers got called for a technical foul for a
hanging Jarvis what's Hayes's first name? Gosh, dang it played
for Texas. He played for the Nicks last year. By
I'm forgetting what his name is anyway, Hayes his last name.
Incredible athlete, Jackson Hayes, thank you, Jackson has got a

(45:40):
technical foul for a hanging on the rim. And by
the way he did it because he probably would have
fallen on his back if he didn't hang on the
rim and he's going so fast. But it's the NBA,
right outside of pulling yourself up standing on top of
the rim and flashing the bird to everybody, or flashing
your backside everybody, Like I understand everybody's watching when you're dunk.

(46:05):
You don't want to showboat that much. Whatever, But what
are we doing calling technical fouls for hanging on the
rim in the NBA? What are we actually doing? How
does that affect the game at all? And like little
kids love slam dunks, we want more little kids watching
the game. NBA officials giving out technical fouls to Jackson
Hayes for hanging on the rim, especially in this case

(46:27):
when he actually had to do it. You're night.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
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Let's start with the game near and dear to my heart,
Oklahoma taking on Oklahoma State. I don't know if this
last time they'll play ever, but it's the last time

(47:02):
they'll play for in the in the near term. Oklahoma
Stake comes in as one of the hotter teams in
the country, definitely one of the hotest teams in the
Big Twelve. After stubbing their toe twice. You know, Iowa State,
South Alabama they reeled off four in row. They are
at home, and the last time they played Oklahoma in
Boone Pickens Stadium they got a win, but historically they

(47:24):
lose ninety percent of the time. Oklahoma is a six
point favorite coming off a disappointing loss at Kansas. The
total sixty one. What do you think?

Speaker 11 (47:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (47:35):
I think last week was a very strange game for Oklahoma.
The lightning delay, a lot of weather and Lawrence, and
obviously they lost the game, and I think if you
ask some of the experts, Oklahoma kind of was due
for a loss based on how they were playing. That
Texas game was really back and forth, and they haven't
looked sharp since. But I really think the weather played
a big factor and the game plan was obvious. Fifty

(47:56):
five runs for Oklahoma's offense twenty six is an only
nineteen papping attempts because of quarterback runs and then fumbles
and sacks and all all that other fun stuff that
happened to Oklahoma in that game, and it just looked
like Dylan Gabriel wasn't comfortable with the conditions.

Speaker 11 (48:12):
I hope the conditions are better.

Speaker 5 (48:13):
This week because it'll make for a more interesting game.
Oklahoma State defense, and that's the key. Can they handle
the take and talk about that with Texas they saw
it earlier in that game and they maybe kind of
handled it a little bit and then wore them down late.
But Oklahoma State defense, that's what been trending up, although
the opponents have been kind of selffect Rustervidio Cincinnati. It's
interesting they play that three three five a lot of

(48:34):
run blitzes, and I think you can pop explosives around
the edge on that Tawboys defense, and that's what we're
going to see. I think this week with Dayie Walker
and Nick Anderson too, is going to be an absolute
key in this game. He's a freshman. Speeds, they're averaging
about twenty four yards per reception. Machines are huge in
that gride three five defense. I think Dylan Gabriel and
that sooners offensily more aggressive this week. The question is

(48:56):
on the other side of Oklahoma's pe.

Speaker 11 (48:58):
Alan Mowmans looked good, but again.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
The the competition has been suspect early on. The lost
to South Alabama was ugly. They finally gave him the rain.
I really like what I've seen with the run game.
Does the zone blocking scheme they kind of implemented lately.
It's given Oli Gordon a chance to explode over five
hundred yard over his last two games with six touchdowns.

Speaker 11 (49:16):
To go hold the thing.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
You get the run game going, you got the linebacker
Danny Stuffsman, the leading tack of Oklahoma.

Speaker 11 (49:21):
He's banged up. I'm hearing that.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
It'll play, but we'll see if he's one hundred percent.
I do think the Cowboys can keep this closet. But
if Oklahoma ramps up that intensely on offense and we
see those run pass flops kind of flipped this week,
I do think the Sooners offense does have the explosure to
get past with.

Speaker 11 (49:36):
One hand up with a number one.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
So you like, oh you to cover?

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Yeah, I think I was lean on you, But I'm
not betting.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
This one, Okay. I then the I just you know,
the head says Oklahoma always goes in there, kind of
like last year they're up twenty eight to nothing and
Okahoma State made it a game, and uh, but you
know I thought they were Oklahoma was in their head
a little bit, and I don't know how you escape

(50:03):
that in short order. I really don't.

Speaker 11 (50:05):
It's a tough box through with Oklahola all the laws.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Like if Oklahoma won that game against Kansas last week,
I think Oklahoma State would be in a better situation.
But I was reading some of the press book things
on Jeff Levy this week, and they are not happy
that the Oklahoma see They were not happy with that
game plan against Kansas, and I think you'll see a
much more aggressive Oklahoma offense this week. And that's what

(50:28):
scares me because Oklahoma State defect hasn't really been texted,
especially the pace that the Sooner's run.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I agree
with that idea, just just the idea like confidence is
such a huge key, and I do think that if
Oklahoma came in unfeated, they'd be so confident, maybe arrogant,
And maybe that's why they lost last week, was arrogant.
So some of that, some of that confidence has to
take a shot. But I also think styles make the fight,
and Oklahoma State does not have a mobile quarterback and

(50:57):
Kansas did, so maybe that's what ends up. On the
other hand, and like kind of a straight old school
running game is what Oklahoma State's using, and I don't
know how that works against Oklahoma's defensive lines. So it's
going to be going to be a fascinating one. Going
to be a fascinating one in Stillwater this weekend. All right,
Let's move along here to a couple other state staying

(51:20):
in the Big twelve K State for about half a
decade dominated Texas. That hasn't happened recently, but k State
another team kind of in the chase here for a
shot at the Big twelve championship. They two have gotten
together six and two in the year Texas seven and one.
Texas is a four point favorite, four point favorite at home.
The totals forty nine a half.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
I lo's what I've seen recently from Kansas State's offense,
the offensive line. The run game is really starting to strain,
their averaging more than three arts for rush before first contacts,
and their offensive line again top head and schedule adjusted
lineyards created. The explosion is there. I think it'll be
a different challenge to get text As the defense, it's
obvious to me that this will be the best defensive

(52:04):
line that Kansas State is faced all year, and this
was one of the best Texas fronts I've seen in
a while. I mean, they're top and top the scene
across the board in every single category. The goal here,
of course, to Forrest Wilhoward.

Speaker 11 (52:15):
To beat you with his arms because when he's doing.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
The whole play action running game, rpo control the game,
that my tempo type of style. That's when Kansas State
is very dangerous to play against. But Texas's defense is
this bend but don't break. They play five dds. They're
going to make you, you know, find those tight windows
in the secondary, and they're going to rely on their
four stop the run because that's what they've done all year.

(52:37):
The one key is Ethan Burke, who is I think
one of the best run defenders on the Texas team.
He's like a hybrid linebacker edge type player. He's out
in this game. I think that might give Kansas State
a bit of an edge in the run game. On
the other side for Texas offense, I mean I watched that.
I watched the replays of the Elie Murphy performance last week.
Very underwhelming in his first start. Some of the counting

(52:57):
stats looks okay, but bad turnover. The interception was inexcusable.
He fumbled in the pocket getting sacked. Not great with
the goal line sets and I do think this long
worn defense got bailed out last week, or excuse me,
Longworren's offense got bailed out by the defense and the
special teams last week. And I'm curious how much Stark
will trust Murphy in this spot. Kansas State can really

(53:18):
get after you defensively, and I think we're going to
see a lot of pressure coming, a lot of pressure
looks from the DC Joe Clanderman, because Murphy really struggled
when pressured last week. We saw the accuracy did the
passer rating was with bottom barrel under pressure compared to
when he was kept clearly looked. Okay, so I think
we're gonna see a lot of high pressure looks from
Fantas State.

Speaker 11 (53:37):
I think the Wild.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
Hats cover and maybe have a chance to win this
game out right, This should be a really interesting matchup
at all.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Okay, I got that one down as one to one.
To keep an eye on. Let's continue move around the
country here as I saw this one out west seems
to be intriguing a lot of people. Washington's taken on
usc USC is a three point home dog. Washington survived

(54:07):
last week eight to zero on the year, on track
to play for a potentially, you know, they keep winning,
they'll play for a college football championship. I know they're
not in the top four right now, but Ohio State
and Michigan play each other. Obviously, they maintain being undefeated
and maybe even if they lose the game, they still
get in there. The total is seventy six and a half.
And again us he is a three point dog at home.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
Yeah, and I think this might be a Trojan horse.
Not to use a bad pun but I think we're
going to get one good USI performance down the stretch.
I don't know where it's coming. I think it makes
sense for it to come in this game. But I
don't think we've seen the last of Kayler Williams.

Speaker 11 (54:46):
And the Trojans offense.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
I do think they're hearing everything that people are saying
about him. And I saw a very respected draft analyst
this week. NFL draft analysts actually put Drake may I
head of Pila Williams in his top four. So there's
some rumbling and Bob Taylor, you know, maybe you're going
to listen to that criticism and you're going to respond
to it. I do think USC might be at a
bass though, and that's where I struggle with this game

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against Washington.

Speaker 11 (55:09):
So they're playing for a seventh straight week.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
No BUYE and they've had some really tough matchups that
in that stretch, and the obvious question you have to
ask yourself, like, how the heck is USC stop Washington's offense. Well,
the Huskis have been trending down a little bit over
the last two games. You go watch the tape against
Stanford and Arizona State, both below average team.

Speaker 11 (55:27):
The completion rate.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
For Pennis is sixty percent, four cupsdowns, three pick counting
stats not that good.

Speaker 11 (55:33):
I think he's a little banged up. Jalen McMillan, who
has tried to get back on.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
The field multiple times this year, struggled, only played twelfth
snack last week, limped off the field with a knee injury.
Probably not going to play again this week. They have
other weapons of Dooingsday and paulk have been explosive, but
it's fair to question how USC is going to slow
down this is Washington offense.

Speaker 11 (55:52):
I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
On the other side. I don't trust Washington defense either.
I mean, they've played this really soft shell five dB.
They don't give up the deep ball, They're going to
make Cayleb Williams dnk and dunk. And that's the key.
Is Tayler Williams is going to paint by numbers here
and kind of follow the strip or is he going
to try to take shots in the double and triple
coverage in this In this you know, dime, look secondary
and cheat a little bit.

Speaker 11 (56:14):
I think if he.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Stays disciplined in the US is going to move the
ball in this game and look no further than Marshawn
Lloyd averaging eight yards for rush on the year.

Speaker 11 (56:20):
I mean, Washington could be run on, and I think
if USC controls the.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
TEFO, they is patient, plays within themselves and doesn't go
to the backyard ball. I mean, we're on the other
side of the market now. Dog really talking about USC
laying points, Well, now we're catching a full field goal.

Speaker 11 (56:33):
The only way to bet this game, I think, is
to take the three with USC.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Let's go to the SEC. Got some big matchups here,
LSU taking on Alabma Tieder, a three point favorite at home.
LSU six and two on the year. Is the total
sixty one and a half. Beautiful sunny day in Tuscaloosa,
Man I.

Speaker 11 (56:55):
Can't wait for this game.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
So I think this game will determine two things. One,
will Alabama.

Speaker 11 (57:00):
Had a chance to make collegeotball playoffs. Obviously, if they win,
they have to win out.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
That's the only scenario where they can be in the playoff.
The other scenario major impact, major implications in the Heisman market.
If LSU wins this game, you are going to see
Jade Daniels be the favorite, maybe even the odds on
favorites who in the Heisman come Sunday or Monday whatever
the market reopens, probably on Saturday.

Speaker 11 (57:22):
During the game.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
They'll all for a live market, depending on how the
game is going. But I think major fourth in the
road for two futures markets this week, National Championship playoff
and the Heisman. And I think LSU's offense is playing
like the best offense in the country. I obviously questioned
the defensive that they played. These are not SEC caliber defenses,
even though they are parading around as SEC teams. On

(57:44):
the other side, though, I'm a little concerned about LSU's defense.
The best defensive player McKay window just at surgery. He's
the best run defender, and this is a run defense
for LSU that was already with Wingo outside the top
ninety in basically every analytical metrics that I look at.
So sam his run game and Damon's ability to go
play action off the run game and allow Jalen.

Speaker 11 (58:04):
Milroe to do what.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
He does best, which is just packard the default Jalen Milroe.
I cannot believe how good his numbers are on throws
twenty or more yards down the field. And that is
saying something because I don't think this Bama receiver room
is that explosive. He has top ten in almost every
single row rate for defat seventeen big time throws zero

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turnover where he plays on balls going twenty or more
yards down the field. Almost twenty five percent of his
dropback results in a throw going twenty or more yards
down the field. I mean, he is incredibly explosive, and
I think this Bama run game has a chance to
be really good. LSU again banged up defensively, They're hurting
a little bit in the secondary as well. They're going
to go with a converted shasty at corner.

Speaker 11 (58:47):
In this game.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
So as much as I love James Daniels and LSU's offense,
I think Alabama has an edge share they're at home,
you're laying only a field goal.

Speaker 11 (58:57):
I think Bama is the way to play.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
This suff I got Georgia is a fifteen and a
half point favorite at home against Missouri. That total is
fifty six. Georgia struggled to cover all year, but this
is a big and this is a big number against
the Tigers.

Speaker 11 (59:11):
Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
And I think when you look at Georgia's offense is
where I really start to see the improvement.

Speaker 11 (59:17):
We knew Georgia's defense was good.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
I think it's fair to question what their motivation was early.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
In the year.

Speaker 11 (59:24):
So it's hard to look at some of those earlier games.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Where teams kind of hung around and put any stock
in it because you saw it against Missouri or against
the top that you saw it against Florida. When the
stakes got higher, Georgia raised their level. And there's not
a lot of teams that could flip that twitch, but
I think Georgia has that ability defensively. The question was
Carson Beck and the interesting thing I watched an interview
with him recently and he was basically telling us that

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it's been a while for him because he's gotten all
of the field. Remember, he was one of the top
pro pastors in the class in twenty twenty and then
sat behind multiple starters at Georgia while they were winning
national championships. But this was really the first time this
season that he played a meaningful game since his senior year.

Speaker 11 (01:00:04):
In high school. So I'm not surprised that it's.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Taking him a few weeks to get back off the speed.
He's getting his let's tackle back this week of Marius
Men's that just certainly helped. And you're starting to see
the offense even without brock Fouts, I.

Speaker 11 (01:00:15):
Mean, McConkie.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
They've got dudes on the outside that can stretch the field.
Their running game is really starting to turn. So I
love laying fifteen sixteen points against Missouri, No, but I
just don't see how Missouri defense stops Georgia's offense. And
I see a path for Georgia to kind of take
Luther Berben out of the game and make Brady Cook
a little more one dimensional and kind of make Missouri's
offense a little flat. So I think Georgia are passally here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Okay, that's awesome, awesome stuff, amazing stuff. Uh, Jared, thanks
so much. For your insight.

Speaker 7 (01:00:45):
Man.

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Speaker 11 (01:00:58):
Appreciate it, Dock.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you. Maybe it's time
for the Pick of the day. Alright, let's get to
the pic of day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Pick of the Day comes from Thursday night football, Pittsburgh
taking on Tennessee. Pittsburgh is a three point favorite against
the Tennessee Titans. Tennessee is starting Will Levis. He gave
them new energy. They scored twenty eight against the Falcons
previously that they lost two in a row. They have
beaten the Bengals on the year, They've beaten the Chargers

(01:01:32):
on the year. I just there's nothing about Pittsburgh's offense
which makes me think it's going to be better outside
the fact that, you know, maybe there's a quarterback change.
I don't know. I look at this one. The total
is thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yikes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I like Tennessee on the road. I just do, especially
if you can get a hook in there, if you
can get three in a hook, take Tennessee all day.
I'll take Tennessee to cover. Hell, give me ten to
see in the money line. That's our pick of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
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