April 4, 2025 • 53 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Live from the site of the Final Four in San Antonio, Doug paints of picture of where college basketball is as a sport right now.
Doug points out how wrong Jay Bilas is when he talks about player movement in college hoops.
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
We're broadcasting from bar nineteen nineteen. A lot of my
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I was in the NABC. That's a National Association of
Basketball Coaches head coaches meeting.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's pretty cool, right, and they have three hundred and
sixty four seats. I'm one of them, and Matt Painter
is I mean, he's great. And he stood up and
said some impressive things, interesting things in regards to where
the sport is where it needs to be, and kind
of gave his own thoughts as a guy who played
for a national championship last year, a guy who's coaching
at his alma mater and has led his al monitor
to a resurgence and being a consistent national contender. And
(01:30):
I'm just sitting over there, going like, man, this's my
first year. Do I ask a question? Do I say something?
And then I was pulled into a panel which is discussing,
among the other things, the possibility of unionization, of making
players employees, you name it. We talked about it, and
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then as I was walking out, then the next discussion
was going to be about private equity coming in and
buying up athletic departments, right, And You're like, what world
am I in? When I was a kid, I would
come to the Final four with my dad. One of
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us would get to go per year. And I sat
up there and this is what I said before I left.
I said, you know, when I was a kid, I
listened to Roy Williams and Guy Lewis. I listened to
Eddie Sutton and Jerry Tarkanian and all these other legendary
basketball coaches left to Giselle give presentations on an overhead projector.
(02:37):
Do you guys remember what an overhead projector is?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right? It's exactly what it look what you think it is.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It's a like a lit up screen where you can
either draw on it or you have this kind of
thin sheath and you write on a thin sheet and
then you know it's transparent, and then it projects it
up onto a screen and they would draw x's and
o's and use the lane and show you different ways
in which you played offense and defense. When I was
a kid, college Basketball's Convention, which is what goes on
(03:06):
at the final forts the National Convention for basketball coaches,
it was about basketball. And all it's about now is money, right.
That's the reality of it. That's the reality of and
and the greed over money and what we've what we've
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instilled on our kids. As it's now our generation, my
age people are running the world and suing the NCAA
for more, more and more and more and more and
more money because it's like this is a new concept
that schools make money off their students. Of course, they
make money off all their students, not just their student athletes.
(03:51):
And it's not to say that student athletes don't deserve
some I always thought that it's pretty awesome to get
a scholarship. Those things are harder to get than ever
for the more expensive than ever before, more valuable than
ever before. Should they have given him spending money?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Do we think that would have stopped this legislation? No,
because greed is not good. Greed is striking at the
core of what's going on in collegiate sports, the professionalization
of something that was amateur for so long. Here's Jim Nance,
of course, legendary voice of the NCAA term. This is
first year not calling the field. Here's Jim Nancy was
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on a Dan Patrick earlier today.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
My concern on your question is future college basketball that
may not live as we know it another five hundred years,
and may not live another fifteen years because the portal
in the NIL it's difficult.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I don't know, paint it and doom and gloom.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I don't want to say it's not to be extinct,
that's not going to.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Be, but what we knew it as what we grew
up with.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
That doesn't that model doesn't exist anymore, and some people
have a real problem with that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, I think the the issue with the issue with how.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Jim put it is he didn't and he's you know,
he look, he's always been the voice of something. Is
he didn't say if he had a problem with it,
he had a problem. I think the problems go hand
in hand. The problems go hand in hand. And the
problem with the transfer portal isn't the portal itself. It
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isn't that you can put yourself in a transfer portal
and people like myself can go and look at a
list of players and decide who they want.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
The problem is.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That you can transfer without any sort of recourse, and
if you drop a contract that has a buyout in
it or a noncompete clause previous to now, they've been
able to go and pretty much any contract can be
made null and void. So you know, listen, I understand
(06:01):
that the woe is me. We went from people lying,
and I say lying, I mean lying saying college student
athletes are going hungry, They're going to bed hungry, to
guys reportedly making two to three million dollars to play
college basketball for thirty one games plus a tournament. There's
a wide span in the middle between those two and
(06:23):
we have yet to be able to land on that.
At the end of it, these are four great teams
and we should be focusing on the actual basketball and
the coaching, but unfortunately money can ruin everything. College basketball
is never pure. It was never you know, white is
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the driven snow, but it was not polluted like it
is now now. It went from kind of off white,
sort of an a crew mother of pearl to now
just this kind of gray, mucky mud, especially at the
top level.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
My level, it's it's a little different.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yes there is money, but it's a it's uh, I
feel like it's of the reasonable level and it's just
really for support, so you have you know, you're not
broken college, although you know, kids spend money anyway, so
they go broke in college. Doesn't really matter how much
you give them. But you know, it's when you have
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to list two or three previous schools for players, and
when you're talking about that player, and those two or
three previous schools are their colleges, let alone the three
or four high schools. Like, we got a problem. We
got a problem. But the train keeps going down the station.
(07:47):
I'm not really sure. I mean, I know how you
fix it. I just don't know, if you know, the
issue is that you have state judges that are fanboys
or fangirls, and so they they strike down on any
sort of legislation which should stick.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And I think the reason the.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
NCAA hired Charlie Baker to be, uh, their president, is
because he's been in Washington connections in Washington, and the
only real way to get this thing done is to
get uh uh what's it called, uh, jay stew when
you have when you're oh man, it's like legislation proof.
(08:27):
It's I forget the term. I'm blanking on it right now.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Immunization.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Huh, immunity, It's it's immunity, but it's uh, there's a
different word for it. Gosh, golly, I'll think of it
anti trust stuff, anti trust, anti true. When once it
gets some anti trust legislation passed, uh, then it becomes
unassailable by lawsuit. And until that happens, we're gonna be
(08:54):
stuck in this, in this waiting game.
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Speaker 1 (09:27):
So I guess this is actually a question. We'll get
to John Morant being fined upcoming, but this is an
honest question.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I know, Ilo, I know you're you know, you play
it off that you don't watch sports because you you
bootleg your your TV networks or whatever, but I know
you do. Uh, Jay Stu, You've always been a consumer
of the hiring of sports. You don't outside of the
Dodgers and baseball. I mean, you watch a ton of NFL,
but it's not like you're watching college basketball games on
(09:58):
a you know, on a on a Wednesday, right Like
you have a life.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You obviously a huge Hawkeye fan, both men's and women's,
and like Big ten basketball, but you're a purveyor of
all all sports. I guess here's my question, okay, and
I'll make a statement in a second, is do you
care about all of this other stuff, right, does it
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affect your viewing of it? And I say it because
here I am at the Final four and it's still
kind of the same in like it's a weird thing
to be me now. Where for my lifetime I was
a fan as a kid. Then I was a player
and I would come to these things with my dad,
and then I was a broadcaster covering it, and so
(10:45):
I've always got to be around. Now I'm a coach,
staying at the coach's hotel. And you know the way
it works now is, you know, two different sorts of
people hit you up. Either people who want a job
and think you're gonna hire them, or people who have
a player and think you're going to want that player.
And sometimes the player is, hey, I'm going to get
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you this player. Can you get me a job? Right,
So that's that's what ends up happening. But I was
I was taken him back today by you know, you
have to do these head coaches things, and I'm on
a couple of I'm not in any committees, but i was,
you know, out of the head coaches meeting with the NABC,
and then I'm on a couple of different panels and
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none of the talk was about actual basketball, you know,
and and basketball has changed dramatically from when I played,
and you know, we talk about it all the time
with older coaches. Before the Final Four, I was just
on the phone with coach Bennett.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's Dick Bennett.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
He coached famously at Green Bay, at Wisconsin, at Wisconsin
Stevens Point, at Washington State Course. His son Tony won
the national championship of Minnesota just you know, six years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I mean, see at Virginia. It was in Minnis.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
But he's at Virginia, and you know, again, it's like
you're sitting there thinking to yourself, Huh, at what point
are we going to talk about basketball? You know, because
it just it keeps changing and evolving, and even how
your recruit players changes. But it's all the talk anybody
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wants to talk about.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Is the money.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
That is a fantastic and fascinating issue, slash question that
you raise. And I'll start by saying, as a fan,
it will not affect the way that I watch the
Final Four this weekend. I will fully be immersed in
the games, which is really the main reason why all
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of us love sports so much. I will take it
a step further and say that as a fan, I
stopped watching the regular season of college basketball as a
fan years ago, So that can't be blamed on the
current NIL climate because that ship had already sailed. I
(13:10):
will say this because we're talking about different perspectives here,
general fans, media members. I honestly cannot imagine having to
deal with it, Doug from your perspective as a coach,
because the reason you got into this to coach, that's
way down on the laundry list.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
You have to.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Focus on personnel, money, nil. And the main reason, at
least I think you're doing this, the peer coaching for
you and all your colleagues is now way on down
the list.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, well it's always been way on down the list, right.
There's lots of things in managing a program the way
on down the list, yep. But you would you would
think you would think there's other issues that people want
to get to, you know, even even the non coaching
issues that people want to discuss. And you know, you
watch Florida and I'm pretty close to those guys.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Todd's a good friend of mine, some of his assistants are.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
As well, and they really do capitalize on their use
of analytics and the decisions they make in the game
are based upon what the math tells you to do.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I'll give you an example that, again I don't know
how many people know this actually happens, but they can
be playing defense with fifty five seconds to go in
the first half and they will foul. Usually free throw
shooters will sixty percent below or when you have the seven,
eighth and ninth foul, there's three fouls in a row
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that are one and ones, and you watch in the
game tomorrow, they will foul intentionally. You'll sub ind guys
that don't play as much, they don't absorb, and they'll
try and foul sub sixty percent free throw shooters if
you have them on the floor, and they'll do it
because again the numbers tell you that that's a smart
thing to do because it increases your volume of possessions.
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And you know, if you're trying to score at a
rate of one point one five ppp and you're trying
to hold them below you know, one point zero ppp,
that's points for possession. Like the numbers tell you a
six below sixty percent free throw shooter on a one
to one, you want a foul. And again, I know,
(15:27):
I think Iron Eagle's great. I don't think he'll get
into the to the analytics because I don't think you know,
Raf or Grant Hill pay a ton of attention to it.
But there'll be a bunch of different things they will
do from substitutions to when you call time out, to
the pace by which you play, to when you shoot
threes to winy like all that stuff, and I'm telling you,
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like none of it gets discussed because all anybody's talking
about is and part of it is timing of it. Monday,
a judge is going to rule whether to accept the settlement.
And if this settlement is accepted, basically what it's going
to be is the power for are going to have,
you know, somewhere between two and four and a half
million dollars to spend on basketball from their revenue share.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And you know, though there will.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Be other lawsuits, that'll be kind of the status quo
for the next we think several years in college basketball.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's all anyone is talking about.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And I just again I think Jay s dou you
and I discussed it, like part of the beauty to
college is that, you know, you watch a kid like
Braden Smith at Purdue where he starts off as a freshman, improves, improves, improves,
and then his senior year and you're like, man, we
really developed that guy.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But that is the He is the exception, not the rule.
So does it affect you, Jason.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Yeah, I mean I I consider myself the Don Draper
of sports producers. I do like high level stuff, you know,
like high level topics, you know, kind of in the
abstract as opposed to like data day games. So I
don't I don't get bogged down in the weeds and
watching games and stuff. But I will say this about
college basketball, I'm with Isaac. It lost me years ago
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because of the lack of familiarity with the players, and
the player movement has not helped that. But this was
kind of baked in. I wasn't going to follow the season,
probably to begin with Cooper Flag was a little bit
of an interest for me. All that stuff that you
just described I know exists, I know is important in
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your world, and ultimately we'll be talking about next week,
but it doesn't move my needle. The actual play this
weekend will move my needle. I don't know if that
answers your question. But I'm interested in the basketball this
weekend and not what you just described.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Which part not the analytics part of it.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Well, the analytics is one thing, but the whole thing
about what is going to decide or the lawsuit's going
to decide all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
That's putting a crunch on the coaching staffs. It's you, guys, Doug,
like the fans only want to know about what the
roster looks like, you know, with the season about to start,
but it'll leave everybody in the dark until those rosters
are assembled. It's just it's just so much more like
the pros now and then I really do think it's
not like.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The pros though. Well, but I mean the pros guys
stay more than a year, of.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Course, sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So it's it's not it's like a basketball.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
You do see guys going taking an aile money and
might they might spend more than a year at a
college program though, right, I mean I've seen that guys
will be uh with U now maybe two years, like
let's just say two years. But yeah, it's sometimes it's
just a one year deal. So it's even more it's
even more scattered than the pros. Yeah, to your point, So.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Does it Does it affect you viewing college basketball? Oh?
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Man, does it affect Well, if I'm starting by watching
my favorite team and watching their games, the fervor of
the passion has not been diminished Again. Once that team
is assembled and everyone's paid and the contracts are signed,
I'm locked in for the year. But then the during
the off season and it's chaos, and that is a turnoff.
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Once the season starts, I'll be tuned in. But no,
I'd say it doesn't. But it's kind of feeling like, no,
I don't think. I don't think I'll stop watching college
basketball because of the NL stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
But it's just gross. It feels gross. Doug Big, Big
Mic is in, Big Mic is in. He I think
he wrote this as a statement. It's like a mic
drop in. In other words, maybe this is our end
point from Big Mic. Fans don't care how the sausage
is made.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Good boom, Yeah, we just want to eat well said, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Maybe more, maybe more traditional college basketball fans do care
how the sausage is made.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Again, but it's here's what it's like to me. Okay,
And again, I could be I could be wrong. There
everyone knows a high school that has move ins, right,
and everybody knows the high school that has guys kids
that just kind of grew up together playing together, right,
and now you have and it's like and then there's
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always the private school that has kids from they just
going there's always like one private school in every big
city that tries to compete, competes against the public and
it's like not fair. They have kids from all over,
they get the best of the best of the best,
and oftentimes they'll play two or three years at the
public school and then they go to private school for
their senior year, right and every and you kind of
like it doesn't feel as organic as team building. It
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doesn't feel sort of special. And you're getting fewer and
fewer those public schools that have kids that all matriculated through.
There's like just a handful I produce, like one of
the only ones. And even they've added a kid here
or there, they've had to move in here or there.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But now like everybody is just.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Collecting players, so I and and again it's like the
lust for money, and I like I get it, Like
I'm sure had I, you know, after my.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Junior season at Oklahoma State. We led the country.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I led the country and assists and I had, you know,
start off at a very very good year, and then
I went through the doghouse with my coach and didn't
start for eight games. I'm sure there would have been
a tough conversation there and I would have I'm I
went guessing I would have stayed, but I would have
been handsomely compensated, probably not to the very top level.
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But I don't know, like, how would my life have
been different had I after my junior like I was
really I was. I was ready to leave midway through
my junior season, bags packed team was going to Creyton,
then to Vegas, and then I was not coming back.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Just send me my stuff. I'm good, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And uh didn't play particularly well against Creighton and didn't
start against UNLV and then played great, had fifteen assists,
We win the game, We go home for Christmas break,
and I'm kind of back and I'm like, eh, and
back then, if you were going to transfer, you had
to do it before a second semester started. A couple
of games, Back still didn't didn't play very much, and
then all of a sudden he started writ before second
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semester he started playing me some more, and you know,
we finished up strong.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
But it was a really tough year, really tough year.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
So you know, my decision, My guess is, you know,
I was older, like I'm if i'm if I'm looking
at a parallel to myself.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I was older.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Uh would have been twenty three years old my senior
year and looking to you know, if somebody says, hey,
you could leave Oklahoma State, and I'm sure Oklaham State,
we would have been, you know, below whatever the going
rate was. You know, I was offered two hundred and
fifty grand to stay and then offered five hundred grand
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to leave. But the things that happened in my senior
year were magical. The bonds that I've built there are
from like, yeah, my kids go to Oklahoma State. You
know my son is you know, like he you ask him, now,
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where are you going to school? Oklahoma State?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Don't care. I'm going to Okla State. That's where I'm going.
That's our school.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Obviously, got married, got got engaged, got married right after
my senior year, like all of these things. That's always
been a home base and I just don't think any
like it drives me crazy when I heard I hear
j Billis, who's like one of the foremost voices, completely
nullify any part of college lifestyle. And look, I get it,
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Like college is a lot less like it was when
I went. There's the social scene at most of the schools.
Is is just different because you're on your phone, you know,
you take classes online, but it is at any of
these bigger schools. It is still kind of a throwback.
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I get it, Chat, GPT and all this sort of stuff.
Like dudes aren't cramming the way they used to. Instead
they're cramming on ways in which they can hide the
fact that they use chat, GPT with other sorts of apps.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Right, I just I just want to crawl out.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Of my skin when I hear people make it out like, yeah,
just go to another school. Yeah, just go to another school. Like, man,
that's not what it's It's not about ten twenty thousand,
it's not even about one hundred thousand more dollars. And
that might sound crazy to you based upon whatever you make,
it would have been a lot of money for me,
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a lot a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It doesn't feel like college, Doug. I mean, it's like
we don't even hear about that. We don't hear about academics.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Like get people going schools are making all this money.
They've always made money, dummies. Schools have always made money,
and then they ask you for more. That's what they do.
I just I'm maybe I'm a romantic, But like my
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boy Brian Mott not he's a high school coach at Ouassa.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
His son's heavily recruited. Like he's coming to join me here.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
We're gonna have a drink when I'm when I'm done,
Like any of my guys that are in basketball, I'll
see them this weekend. And I just can't imagine. And
like I transfer, I got in trouble. I left Notre Dame.
I was probably gonna leave anyway, But those guys. I'm
still kind of close to those guys. But imagine if
I was at three schools like you, you don't keep up.
(25:37):
You're in a lum of a place. There's no letterman
jacket that you have. I have my Notre Dame letterman jacket.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I don't wear it.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I just I don't. I don't understand where we're going.
Actually I do understand we're going. I think you hit
it on the head, Sam, it's gross.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
What about gross guys getting signed to multi year deals,
Like you're signing a letter of intent, but that comes
with money, and that you can't leave for more and
you're signed and if you if you breach that, then
you pay some kind of punishment.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, I mean again, this is where again I'm gonna
attack j Billis because he's he's just stating things which
are categorically false, and no one on ESPN or another
shows calls him on it. And he's like, well, it's
just the same. The portals always open for college basketball coach.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
He's like, no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
If you want to leave, you have to pay a buyout,
and even that happens so seldom in comparison to players
transferring out, like what you're comparing apples to oranges. In
no way is being the head coach at all comparable
to being a player. When you're the head coach, you're
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responsible for you know the people I'm responsible for and
I have I mean, part of what what you do
and when you wait for a state institution is I
have to do not like progres supports, I have to
do reports on all the people who report to me.
That's my staff, which is three full time assistants, a
director of basketball ops.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I have a.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Director of player development. I have a guy who's head
of analytics and video. I have my training staff that
is technically, at least partially underneath underneath me.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You don't have to do reports on the rest of us,
do you.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Okay, Lo and Krawn continues to be annoying.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
They're all respond I'm responsible for all of those players
and frankly some of their girlfriends. I have one that
has a wife when something goes wrong, like, I'm responsible
for it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So there's so.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Much more to it to being a head coach than
being a player. And Jay stating otherwise is it's so
laughably wrong it's offensive. And then oh yeah, by the way,
like hey dude, how about a buyout? You know, like, well,
that guy the coach just leaves Willie, No he doesn't.
It's not willy nilly like you have to move families.
(27:58):
You have to decide about moving other people's families. And
then oh yeah, by the way, you kind of work
your whole life to get those jobs, get those opportunities,
and work your way up in whenever fashion you work
your way up. You don't just leave a job here
or there. It's like, well, Kevin Willard, he just left Maryland.
Yeah he was there for what four years? Completed a cycle.
(28:20):
Players are there for nine months and they're responsible for
just themselves and to your to your to your question
or your statement, Sam, Yes, a multi year contract would
be great. The problem with multi year contracts and buyouts
is you will you can find a friendly judge who
will say you can't keep.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
A kid from transferring schools.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's the whole thing is insane, and none of it
is about education, nor is it about a nords. Is
it about like team and what builds for the rest.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Of your life. I just and Doug wins I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
In college basketball and college football, we have talked so
little about guys being academically ineligible academics themselves. Like we
used to be like, oh well he didn't his grade
point average wasn't high enough, so he's got to sit
or it's disciplined. We don't hear about that anymore, and
I'm worrying. I'm wondering, where is the where's the academic
portion of this?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
We forget that it's.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Not because we're on academic probation. As a program, we
had the second highest GPA in team history. So we
talk about it all the time. But no, I mean
it is there is some magical pen out there that
nobody's academically ineligible.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
How is that possible?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You're making a lot of money through the school.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
How is that possible?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
It gone away academically eligible.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
It's disappeared. It's like, we don't even that's got to
be hammered down. We need some regulation with that. And
you signing contracts, and like you got to get the grades,
you got to go to class, you got at least
go to class. Online education has to be a part
of it, even if it's like just symbolic for the
rest of us just to nod and say, Okay, they're
there for the right reason. They're there to make money,
but they're also there hopefully to work towards credits.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
They're not take college to make money.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
But of course not. But that's the reality, right, isn't.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
It that now? The reality that we've created.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I know it.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
It is sad, gross, It is sad and gross, But
then there should be if you're going to make a
million dollars in one year as a college basketball player
or a college football player. Then I don't know, you
got to put some knowledge in your head a little
bit at least.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, and listening, I'll credit my guys, my guys that
have remained and the guys that were signing. It's not
about the bottom line. Will will they get compensated?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, But I know at the top level that we
get to a point to where it's not about those things.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
So yes, do you think that right now we're sort
of in the wild West, the last frontier of like
payments to guys in college football and college basketball that
are just gonna shrink in like five to ten years,
because I mean, you look at these collectives and you
gotta get the owners.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I don't think you'll see guys making guys. I also
don't think guys make what they're reported to be make.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Sure, right, don't it's the agent's talking it up.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
But I think if a number does come out, it's
like someone's being paid two point five million for some
college quality. That just seems to me like there are
guys in the NFL that make less than that on
a one season basis.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
So I feel like it's going to show.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It just doesn't make economic sense. What what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Is donors are going to rebel, They're gonna be.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, that's some of it.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
But what's going to happen is that when the Olympic
sports go away, when gymnastics, when softball at some places,
when track and field, when swimming, when lacrosse, when those
go away, as well as when there becomes you know,
seventy five Division one schools and everybody else's Division three
(31:43):
because because they'll just say, hey, it's just not worth
it to us, it's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
And look this this newest thing.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
If it gets signed, people think that it'll postpone that possibility.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
For ten years. I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
But you know, eventually we'll probably get to I don't know,
two hundred Division on schools instead of three sixty four.
So and you may think, well, good, that makes it
separation the best, the best. Okay, So that means you're
telling if we're just doing men's college basketball, do the
math here, there's fifteen people you get your next year.
There's a roster cap of fifteen. You don't have that fifteen.
(32:17):
But even if they do thirteen scholarships do thirteen times
one hundred and fifty. That's how many kids you're telling
we're no longer paying for your school for You're not
paying for you to go to school. We're no longer
paying for your school.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
They're like, whoa wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on,
there's enough money to go around, Like, no, there's not.
There's enough money at the very very top, not enough
money for everybody else.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
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I don't think that's right.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
You only had one rebound and twenty assists in Milwaukee's
win over the seventy six ers last night.
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said this for a long time, and I know it
to be true, but I'm glad that Florio of all people,
wrote about it today Mike Florio's Pro football Pro footballtalk
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dot com. He reports in his final analysis, the contract
between Geno Smith signed and the Raiders isn't much better
than the contract his replacement in Seattle, Sam Donald, signed
with the Seahawks. Smith presumably could have gotten the same
deal or something close to it if he stayed in Seattle. However,
there was another wrinkle at play. Per Sars with knowledge
(34:18):
of the situation, Smith want to reunite with Pete Carroll
on kasch him before. That doesn't mean Smith deliberately overshot
his contract negotiations with the Seahawks with a hope and
be traded in Vegas, but it was part of the
overall thought press process for smith in it all worked.
My guess is I mean, can we read between the
lines here right? That's what Gino wants it to read as.
(34:39):
I don't think it matters. I think the Raiders massively
overpaid Gino. I think the Seahawks really preferred you know,
they preferred Sam Donald. He fits their offense better, he
is better, he's younger, he's better, had a better season
than Gino had. And Gino of course wants to make
it look like he's loyal to the guy he played
for before.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But this is a real thing.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So oftentimes we get you know, guys get accused of
hiring the wrong people almost always. You want to hire
somebody you've worked with before. I mean, even take my
job right, two years ago, I was a finalist for
the Green Bay job and Sundance Wicks got the job.
Why my athought director Josh Bunette. He worked with Sonny
(35:24):
before at Northern State, had a great work relationship. He'd
been a head coach before, he knew how he operated,
it worked, And then I think the reason he turned
to me was we had a relationship, you know, a
totally different thing, different time, different deal, different time of
year to make the job happen. But you want to
hire somebody you've either worked with before, you have a working,
(35:45):
intricate knowledge of Scott Shapiro is my boss. He got
to Fox Sports Radio from ESPN. I worked together with
him when he was at ESPN. We have a work
He knows my strengths, he knows my weakness is He's
not an idiot. Jason and I had worked together, but
we hadn't worked separately. Right he was producing shows locally
(36:07):
and then he worked at Fox TV, so our past
cross and of course I remember him from the Rome
Show and I would appear on the Roam Show. So
there's a working intrigonage. None of that is surprising. What
is surprising to people is that you have worked with
them before and they get a new job and they
don't turn to people that they know. That usually sends
(36:27):
up alarm bells over what your relationship was when you
were together previously. Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
The Draft is up coming on April twenty fourth, and
twenty fifth and twenty sixth April twenty All that week
will be broadcasting from right Across from lambeau Field to
(36:48):
two locations, the Legacy Hotel and the bar. The bar
is a it's a small chain in Green Bay and.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
You guys would love it.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
One of the bars that's closer to where I live
and to the school actually has indoor sand beach.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Volleyball courts connected to it.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
This one, which is the bar at Home Grin, which
is on Mike Hombrian Way, has pickleball courts, indoor pickleball
courts attached to it. So Dan Patrick and I will
be broadcasting both from there. I bring up the draft
because now we're kind of in draft mode. Right now,
we're in draft mode and the Steelers, I think we
(37:28):
can assume they're going to get Aaron Rodgers. Right if
you had to guess Dan Byer, even though right you
don't want to really, I mean not Dan, I'm sorry,
Chason Stewart, even you want you want to guess the
likely that Aaron Rodgers is a Pittsburgh Steeler, knowing that
the rumor is he's going to announce it on Monday
(37:50):
when Pat McAfee has a live show.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I believe it to be true. I think it's done.
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Yeah, I think the that internet rumor is going to
go the same way Aaron Rodgers' words about Jimmy Kimmel
being on a list that nobody wants to be on.
I think it's gonna go that way. We're gonna Tuesday
is gonna come and go, and there's gonna be no
Aaron Rodgers. But yeah, ultimately he will be on the Steelers.
(38:19):
It seems like the only option for both parties. And
you know, Aaron's just gonna make it difficult. He's the
he's the former hot chick who still thinks they're hot,
and he's going to be difficult and the courting process
not understanding or being self aware enough to know that
the difficulty you experience in the courting process. Smart people
(38:40):
are like, oh, this is what I have to live
with if I marry that person. Screw that.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, it's a that's a that's a tep pill to swallow,
especially those of those are dopes and that significant others
looking at you like you're you're jeweling.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Out the side of your mouth. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I'm fascinating to see the quarterback thing, because, as you know,
last year's quarterback class was supposed to be good.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It was not.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
This year's quarterback class is not supposed to be good,
and it's probably not. But what does that mean for
cam Ward? What does that mean for sdor Sanders? What
does that mean for text Dart? And then you look
at so many of these teams and the way in
which many of them have been successful. Seahawks when they
draft to Russell Wilson, Niners obviously as well here they've
(39:27):
done it with second and third day quarterbacks. Is that
the trend? Is that the trend? Let's get to Mark
dominic Key joins us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Mark, Let's start with Aaron Rodgers
hasn't said anything about the Packers, but did play catch
(39:48):
with their new star wide receiver, and he appears to
be sort of out of options.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
What's the like good? You think he becomes the starting
quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
Yeah, I mean certainly feels like a right. I mean,
you know, I think the Giants that kind of made
their bed and made their decision to go with Russell
and whatever the draft folds, and Pittsburgh seems like the
landing spot. I think it's just coming down to the
fact that does Aaron want to play and I guess
Aaron's really struggling with that clearly to be this deep
into it. We're about to start Oka's here in a
few weeks, and that's where you'd like to have that
(40:20):
decision made. So I look at the Oka's and say,
we'll get that decision by OTA day, because I think
that's the critical part. If he's going to want to
go to be a new system, gopis a new quarterback
and meet all the new players, he's got to make
a decision before to see the start the OTA day,
So I think that's probably the drop dead day to
see what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
If you were drafting, where would you draft you? Door Sanders.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
I've always said I thought he was more of a
ten to twenty or ten to twenty five player. You know,
I've recently been talking about Jackson Darks. I think closed
the gap a little bit more than people realize or
want to admit. I like you, Door Sanders, but I
have struggled a little bit with you know, the amount
of Saxon took in college. Even we can beat up
the offensive line all we want, but you know the
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reality is not everybody has a great offensive line and
not as good a players, and maybe other teams too,
you know, at Ohio State or wherever it may be.
But there's just a part of me that says, you
know what, there's a lot of risk there. And I
think the risk is the fact that whether or not
he can uh, you know, run a normal system and
(41:22):
run through the progressions instead of having to create the
way he has to create so much in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I answer a great question, what do you think the
answer is, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Where I struggled, right, That's where I mean. I cam
Ward I have no problem with, but Shador when you
watch him, you know he's this is not fair, So
I do not think he is. But he's a little
more that Johnny Manzil where he runs around until he
finds something to happen. Now, I think you should have
stands a much better player than Johnny Manziel coming out.
He's a better player, who he's much more instinctual, all
(41:51):
those things. But when they think of those guys that
are like just kind of you know, make things happen
because they run around it and wait for things to
open up that should do. And again I've said, you know,
the complete extent is really exceptional. But I also think
that because he took sacks, he didn't want to throw
away bad you know, bad balls. You'd rather take a
sack and throw the ball away, And to me, that's
something that you can't do at the next level.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
No question about it. No cause.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Mark Domini's our guest's former gym in Tampay Buccaneers. He
joined us for his weekly pop here on the on
the Doug got League Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
how far behind is Jackson Dart behind Shure Sanders. I
think you're close.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
I mean, I think it's like within the fact that
I think they're both going first round. I don't think
should do or standards like suddenly not he's not the
first round player or anything like that. But I do
think it's closer than maybe people can't admit or will admit.
And so, you know, I think Jackson Dart can sneak
into you know, the you know, top fifteen kind of
a spot.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
You know.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
I think the Saints are a real player. I think
there's other teams that are real players, and I think
there's teams maybe behind them might grove up. So I
think those three guys should all go around one and
then I think we'll have to wait till round two
to see the Jalen Milroe, the queen you were, the
other players pop off the board.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, yeah, no pressure, but that's next weekend. We need
we need an answer by that fact. Yeah, we need
is Mark Dominick. He's our guest here weekly stop here
on the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Longtime
front office members. His entire professional life has been working
on the Nation Football League, of course, former general manager
of the of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Uh okay, does
(43:25):
Aaron Rodgers at this age with this skill set, does
he solve the Steelers problems?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (43:33):
I think he can. I actually do. I mean again,
the Steelers team out performed last year, uh, you know,
and that they can.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (43:40):
I think the defense is going to carry this. They've obviously,
you know, stepped up and grabbed DK Metcalf who you know. Yes,
there are people out there like well you got Primadonna's
I think Mike Thomas can handle that. Like I believe
that Mike knows how to handle those guys. But I
think it's the ones that aren't focused because he doesn't
mind the Prima Dona. He wants to focus the attention
to be about the team and not for me. I
(44:01):
know he's works on it with Pick. We're seeing obviously
the Steelers let go of a lot of receivers who
just couldn't quite do that. I think DK will come
in line the he sees exactly what's going on, and
I think the Steelers haven't done yet. I look boarded
watching them in the draft to see exactly what do
they add at the running back room? What do they
added tied end him, because I think that's really the
area is that you're going to have to watch them,
(44:21):
and I think that's where they're going to focus, is,
you know, how do we get guys to score more points?
We've got to be more explosive offense. I think they're
gonna look for that as well as like guys like
last year that really didn't get to play at Roman Wilson,
which I think will be a nice little fit for
whoever the Steeler or if Aaron Rodgers is still quarterback there.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Mark Dominic's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports for do you think you can like
you're trying to save your job and it's James and
Russell Wilson. I mean, I know he has a reputation
as a quarterback whisper, but I just I think Russell
Wilson's shot, I just do.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Well, tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 7 (44:58):
Well, I think there's still enough in Russell will and
where they feel like they can do it, specifically because
of the elite neighbors, and I think the Giants also
when you when you look at what they've got to
do in that football team, I think that they're going
to be in better shape than you're realism. I mean,
they I know that they've they've got really nice picks. Obviously,
uh in each round with high picks, you know it's
(45:19):
going there. But think that the extra third round draft
think is going to be helpful those because they got
four in the top one hundred and those four are
going to be a big part of what they are.
And obviously it's it's to pick one. Is you know,
whether it's Travis Hunter, which adds you know, a huge
piece of the defensive side and in and a weapon
that you can kind of use sporadically on the offensive side.
That really feels good. But I also think that they're
still really good about, you know, the defense where they
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are in terms of Brian Burns and Dexter Lawrence. I
think that they think that. I think they see themselves.
It's a little bit better team. And I think like
Tyler Newman and Drew Phillips who they drafted last year
are really good young players. And so there's pieces here
on defense. I think you're going to feel better. This
comes down to what's running back do they like in
the draft and where do they take them? And then
you know, how do they you know, continue to get
one more wide receiver in this door?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Fascinating fascinating stuff. Geno Smith.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
I like, I get that you bring over a quarterback
that has similarity and he's now become kind of this
wily veteran. But I don't get the money that they
gave him. I just I just don't, you know, I
don't think I could be wrong. I don't think there
are other options where he's going to make, you know,
twenty five thirty, Like if he's a that's not placeholder
(46:30):
money he's making.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Is it? Oh?
Speaker 7 (46:33):
I think it is by the structure, you know, And
I think this is this is why, you know, when
we talked a lot about you know, what was going
on was Seattle, you know, and the way that they
structured the deal obviously for you know, Sam Darnold is
kind of what they did a geno like. It feels
like that kind of a structure, like we're not sure
we're to keep this guy, but we certainly know that
(46:53):
we can get out of it if we need to.
We can move on if we want to. And I
think that's what their goal was when they said, hey,
look we'll go God deal with you, g know, but
it's not going to be where we see other quarterbacks
getting to and so you know, I understand that I
don't love it either. You know, that wasn't the move
I expected them to do as well. I really thought
(47:13):
that this might be a better move to them to
kind of wait and see how the draft played. But
you know, you've got to deal now with Gale Smith
where if you want to walk away from it, you
can as well. And that's I think really what the
critical things that they were looking for.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Fair enough Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I'm fascinated by the Niners, Like, you know, I get it.
You got a quarterback as mister irrelevant and he's good.
And I understand how this is kind of the way
business has always gone, where you got a quarterback, he's
a good quarterback. You know, you have cost certainty by
(47:50):
giving them a long term deal. But I mean it
feels like there's going to be a six a sixty
million in the yearly salary and again, like.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You're gonna have to jettison.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
And I also know and I think you and I
have discussed this some of those guys that they allowed
to walk out the door, and they've said, hey, it's
because we've got to pay our quarterback. They didn't really
want back anyway, right. I mean, I think the Deebo
Samuel Dial was a bad deal. The second was signed
because of where they felt like he was, you know,
injury wise, and he wasn't the same guy. But I mean,
(48:30):
is he good enough to carry a franchise if they
don't have the level of talent they've had during his
time so far.
Speaker 7 (48:37):
But Brock Pretty, Yeah, yeah, I think so he is.
I like rock pretty, I like the way he fits
the ball. I think that they still have a ton
of weapons around him. And I've said I think Ricky
Pearsall is going to be a breakout player in twenty
twenty five. I think he's going to be a guy
that people like questioned, you know last year is your
first rounder in it? You know sadly gets obviously shot
(49:00):
to is no to none of his fault. And yet
I think that they told you everything about Ricky Percell
by the move they're making. And I think that they
have been very very outgoing in terms of their words
about Rock Party, whether it's ownership, whether it's head coach,
whether it's GM. There's nothing shy or in a bash
like trying to work on a good deal. Like they're
not trying to like, hey, let's not talk them up
(49:21):
so much so we can maybe get him for fifty
the way they talk him up, this is going to
be fifty five to sixty a year. They Yeah, And
I know Shanagan. I've worked with Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
If he's bought into a guy, I'm going to trust
that Kyle's got the right mindset. But I like just
the way he reads progressions, the way he goes to things,
and I think he's got a moxi comb that's in
a winning mentality that you know, I'm you know some
people it's it's hard when you're mister irrelevant, but you
know he's already done more than I think Tony Romo
good in his career as an undressed quarterback.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah no, no, listen again, I agree with all of
those things, but there does come a limit where you're.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Like, yeah, I don't know about beame him sixty year.
Speaker 7 (50:00):
I didn't think so either took. I was. I mean
I was. I was more like during this, you know,
the season was over, I'd like, if you get him
in that forty five to fifty and build it up
to fifty and then builds it up to fifty five,
I felt pretty good. But I don't think it's back
because the way that they're publicly talking about them, that's
too strong of words to feel like you've got any
leverage to do nothing right. So you've given the agent
(50:20):
every bit of the of the you know, the candle,
and said, you tell me what it's going to take,
and then when they're sitting there and publicly say, hey, look,
I don't think there's gonna be any issue about getting
extension done. As an owner, that's that's music to an agency.
Years and I've been surprised how harp Day said it
because I think I was played it the other way
to try to least uh, you know, save the organization
(50:42):
some cash for you know, future endeavors.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Any idea what the Cowboys are doing?
Speaker 7 (50:48):
Well, you know I don't. Here's what I say with
Joe Milton. It tells me New England can't stand Joe Milton. Right,
there's no reason to trade away Joe Milton for a
fifthron pick. Uh, you know when you got him on
his rookie field his second year, unless there's a problem
in the club. I mean, and Rabel was even there
(51:08):
last year, but you know Elliot Wolf was and he
was part of the team that picked him. So what's
changed so fast that you looked at Joe Milton and said, well,
he came in the last game and actually played better
than people thought. And now suddenly like I got to
get him out of the building? Can I?
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Can I? Can I? Okay? Can I throw out a possibility? Oh? Sure? Okay?
Speaker 1 (51:26):
So you have a young starting quarterback who's your guy.
You've decided he's your guy.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Right, yeah?
Speaker 1 (51:31):
And then Joe Milton's a young quarterback, Like, we don't
need a young quarterback who thinks he wants to play
behind a young quarterback. We need a wily old guy
that's you know, happy to be there, kind of quasi
quarterback coach Josh McCown sort of type.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
And whereas the Cowboys they got Dak. Dak's their guy.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
He's not threatened and oh yeah, by the way, he's
always hurt, and so the Cowboys can take that risk.
Is there a way in which that's really more the case?
Speaker 7 (51:58):
Well, so here's the thing though, the way I look
at that and struggle with that and the fact that
you basically got back your pick your youth on Joe Milton, right,
and that's what you've done. But you know, what if
something goes wrong, what if Drake may goes down or
they got their Josh downs. He's their veteran quarterback. He's
their guy that's going to kind of like, you know,
walk them through everything. That's the guy that they said, hey,
(52:19):
look he's going to be our guys.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Right.
Speaker 7 (52:21):
But I look at it is like, there's nothing wrong
was holding onto Joe Milton? What if he had a
great preseason, right, And now suddenly you're like, wait, second,
what can I get for him now? Because you know,
even though I don't want him, I might get a
third or fourth because he played really good in the preseason,
even though internally I clearly don't think he's a good player.
If Drake May can't handle the fact that you know,
(52:43):
it's like, well maybe Drake May's worried of competition, well
then I got the wrong quarterback in the first place.
So I just I don't give away quarterbacks. So again,
I don't love I didn't like the trace in this
move for the Cowboys, but I don't mind this. You
give up a fifth, you get back a seventh, and
you get a young quarterback. I don't think it's going
to work out because I'm going to trust the Patriots
would never do a deal like this unless they knew
(53:04):
that there's something wrong about the player.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Good enough, great stuff. Man, can't wait to see you
in Green Bay. We'll talk next week before you make
that track. Thanks so much for being our guest here
on Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
We're broadcasting from bar nineteen nineteen. A lot of my
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dignitary stopping by. But I just got a chance to
I was in the NABC. That's a National Association of
Basketball Coaches head coaches meeting.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's pretty cool, right, and they have three hundred and
sixty four seats. I'm one of them, and Matt Painter
is I mean, he's great. And he stood up and
said some impressive things, interesting things in regards to where
the sport is where it needs to be, and kind
of gave his own thoughts as a guy who played
for a national championship last year, a guy who's coaching
at his alma mater and has led his al monitor
to a resurgence and being a consistent national contender. And
(01:30):
I'm just sitting over there, going like, man, this's my
first year. Do I ask a question? Do I say something?
And then I was pulled into a panel which is discussing,
among the other things, the possibility of unionization, of making
players employees, you name it. We talked about it, and
(01:51):
then as I was walking out, then the next discussion
was going to be about private equity coming in and
buying up athletic departments, right, And You're like, what world
am I in? When I was a kid, I would
come to the Final four with my dad. One of
(02:12):
us would get to go per year. And I sat
up there and this is what I said before I left.
I said, you know, when I was a kid, I
listened to Roy Williams and Guy Lewis. I listened to
Eddie Sutton and Jerry Tarkanian and all these other legendary
basketball coaches left to Giselle give presentations on an overhead projector.
(02:37):
Do you guys remember what an overhead projector is?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right? It's exactly what it look what you think it is.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It's a like a lit up screen where you can
either draw on it or you have this kind of
thin sheath and you write on a thin sheet and
then you know it's transparent, and then it projects it
up onto a screen and they would draw x's and
o's and use the lane and show you different ways
in which you played offense and defense. When I was
a kid, college Basketball's Convention, which is what goes on
(03:06):
at the final forts the National Convention for basketball coaches,
it was about basketball. And all it's about now is money, right.
That's the reality of it. That's the reality of and
and the greed over money and what we've what we've
(03:28):
instilled on our kids. As it's now our generation, my
age people are running the world and suing the NCAA
for more, more and more and more and more and
more money because it's like this is a new concept
that schools make money off their students. Of course, they
make money off all their students, not just their student athletes.
(03:51):
And it's not to say that student athletes don't deserve
some I always thought that it's pretty awesome to get
a scholarship. Those things are harder to get than ever
for the more expensive than ever before, more valuable than
ever before. Should they have given him spending money?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Do we think that would have stopped this legislation? No,
because greed is not good. Greed is striking at the
core of what's going on in collegiate sports, the professionalization
of something that was amateur for so long. Here's Jim Nance,
of course, legendary voice of the NCAA term. This is
first year not calling the field. Here's Jim Nancy was
(04:29):
on a Dan Patrick earlier today.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
My concern on your question is future college basketball that
may not live as we know it another five hundred years,
and may not live another fifteen years because the portal
in the NIL it's difficult.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I don't know, paint it and doom and gloom.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I don't want to say it's not to be extinct,
that's not going to.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Be, but what we knew it as what we grew
up with.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
That doesn't that model doesn't exist anymore, and some people
have a real problem with that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, I think the the issue with the issue with how.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Jim put it is he didn't and he's you know,
he look, he's always been the voice of something. Is
he didn't say if he had a problem with it,
he had a problem. I think the problems go hand
in hand. The problems go hand in hand. And the
problem with the transfer portal isn't the portal itself. It
(05:28):
isn't that you can put yourself in a transfer portal
and people like myself can go and look at a
list of players and decide who they want.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
The problem is.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That you can transfer without any sort of recourse, and
if you drop a contract that has a buyout in
it or a noncompete clause previous to now, they've been
able to go and pretty much any contract can be
made null and void. So you know, listen, I understand
(06:01):
that the woe is me. We went from people lying,
and I say lying, I mean lying saying college student
athletes are going hungry, They're going to bed hungry, to
guys reportedly making two to three million dollars to play
college basketball for thirty one games plus a tournament. There's
a wide span in the middle between those two and
(06:23):
we have yet to be able to land on that.
At the end of it, these are four great teams
and we should be focusing on the actual basketball and
the coaching, but unfortunately money can ruin everything. College basketball
is never pure. It was never you know, white is
(06:46):
the driven snow, but it was not polluted like it
is now now. It went from kind of off white,
sort of an a crew mother of pearl to now
just this kind of gray, mucky mud, especially at the
top level.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
My level, it's it's a little different.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yes there is money, but it's a it's uh, I
feel like it's of the reasonable level and it's just
really for support, so you have you know, you're not
broken college, although you know, kids spend money anyway, so
they go broke in college. Doesn't really matter how much
you give them. But you know, it's when you have
(07:26):
to list two or three previous schools for players, and
when you're talking about that player, and those two or
three previous schools are their colleges, let alone the three
or four high schools. Like, we got a problem. We
got a problem. But the train keeps going down the station.
(07:47):
I'm not really sure. I mean, I know how you
fix it. I just don't know, if you know, the
issue is that you have state judges that are fanboys
or fangirls, and so they they strike down on any
sort of legislation which should stick.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And I think the reason the.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
NCAA hired Charlie Baker to be, uh, their president, is
because he's been in Washington connections in Washington, and the
only real way to get this thing done is to
get uh uh what's it called, uh, jay stew when
you have when you're oh man, it's like legislation proof.
(08:27):
It's I forget the term. I'm blanking on it right now.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Immunization.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Huh, immunity, It's it's immunity, but it's uh, there's a
different word for it. Gosh, golly, I'll think of it
anti trust stuff, anti trust, anti true. When once it
gets some anti trust legislation passed, uh, then it becomes
unassailable by lawsuit. And until that happens, we're gonna be
(08:54):
stuck in this, in this waiting game.
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Speaker 1 (09:27):
So I guess this is actually a question. We'll get
to John Morant being fined upcoming, but this is an
honest question.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I know, Ilo, I know you're you know, you play
it off that you don't watch sports because you you
bootleg your your TV networks or whatever, but I know
you do. Uh, Jay Stu, You've always been a consumer
of the hiring of sports. You don't outside of the
Dodgers and baseball. I mean, you watch a ton of NFL,
but it's not like you're watching college basketball games on
(09:58):
a you know, on a on a Wednesday, right Like
you have a life.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You obviously a huge Hawkeye fan, both men's and women's,
and like Big ten basketball, but you're a purveyor of
all all sports. I guess here's my question, okay, and
I'll make a statement in a second, is do you
care about all of this other stuff, right, does it
(10:23):
affect your viewing of it? And I say it because
here I am at the Final four and it's still
kind of the same in like it's a weird thing
to be me now. Where for my lifetime I was
a fan as a kid. Then I was a player
and I would come to these things with my dad,
and then I was a broadcaster covering it, and so
(10:45):
I've always got to be around. Now I'm a coach,
staying at the coach's hotel. And you know the way
it works now is, you know, two different sorts of
people hit you up. Either people who want a job
and think you're gonna hire them, or people who have
a player and think you're going to want that player.
And sometimes the player is, hey, I'm going to get
(11:07):
you this player. Can you get me a job? Right,
So that's that's what ends up happening. But I was
I was taken him back today by you know, you
have to do these head coaches things, and I'm on
a couple of I'm not in any committees, but i was,
you know, out of the head coaches meeting with the NABC,
and then I'm on a couple of different panels and
(11:31):
none of the talk was about actual basketball, you know,
and and basketball has changed dramatically from when I played,
and you know, we talk about it all the time
with older coaches. Before the Final Four, I was just
on the phone with coach Bennett.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's Dick Bennett.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
He coached famously at Green Bay, at Wisconsin, at Wisconsin
Stevens Point, at Washington State Course. His son Tony won
the national championship of Minnesota just you know, six years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I mean, see at Virginia. It was in Minnis.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
But he's at Virginia, and you know, again, it's like
you're sitting there thinking to yourself, Huh, at what point
are we going to talk about basketball? You know, because
it just it keeps changing and evolving, and even how
your recruit players changes. But it's all the talk anybody
(12:24):
wants to talk about.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Is the money.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
That is a fantastic and fascinating issue, slash question that
you raise. And I'll start by saying, as a fan,
it will not affect the way that I watch the
Final Four this weekend. I will fully be immersed in
the games, which is really the main reason why all
(12:48):
of us love sports so much. I will take it
a step further and say that as a fan, I
stopped watching the regular season of college basketball as a
fan years ago, So that can't be blamed on the
current NIL climate because that ship had already sailed. I
(13:10):
will say this because we're talking about different perspectives here,
general fans, media members. I honestly cannot imagine having to
deal with it, Doug from your perspective as a coach,
because the reason you got into this to coach, that's
way down on the laundry list.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
You have to.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Focus on personnel, money, nil. And the main reason, at
least I think you're doing this, the peer coaching for
you and all your colleagues is now way on down
the list.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, well it's always been way on down the list, right.
There's lots of things in managing a program the way
on down the list, yep. But you would you would
think you would think there's other issues that people want
to get to, you know, even even the non coaching
issues that people want to discuss. And you know, you
watch Florida and I'm pretty close to those guys.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Todd's a good friend of mine, some of his assistants are.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
As well, and they really do capitalize on their use
of analytics and the decisions they make in the game
are based upon what the math tells you to do.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I'll give you an example that, again I don't know
how many people know this actually happens, but they can
be playing defense with fifty five seconds to go in
the first half and they will foul. Usually free throw
shooters will sixty percent below or when you have the seven,
eighth and ninth foul, there's three fouls in a row
(14:43):
that are one and ones, and you watch in the
game tomorrow, they will foul intentionally. You'll sub ind guys
that don't play as much, they don't absorb, and they'll
try and foul sub sixty percent free throw shooters if
you have them on the floor, and they'll do it
because again the numbers tell you that that's a smart
thing to do because it increases your volume of possessions.
(15:07):
And you know, if you're trying to score at a
rate of one point one five ppp and you're trying
to hold them below you know, one point zero ppp,
that's points for possession. Like the numbers tell you a
six below sixty percent free throw shooter on a one
to one, you want a foul. And again, I know,
(15:27):
I think Iron Eagle's great. I don't think he'll get
into the to the analytics because I don't think you know,
Raf or Grant Hill pay a ton of attention to it.
But there'll be a bunch of different things they will
do from substitutions to when you call time out, to
the pace by which you play, to when you shoot
threes to winy like all that stuff, and I'm telling you,
(15:49):
like none of it gets discussed because all anybody's talking
about is and part of it is timing of it. Monday,
a judge is going to rule whether to accept the settlement.
And if this settlement is accepted, basically what it's going
to be is the power for are going to have,
you know, somewhere between two and four and a half
million dollars to spend on basketball from their revenue share.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And you know, though there will.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Be other lawsuits, that'll be kind of the status quo
for the next we think several years in college basketball.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's all anyone is talking about.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And I just again I think Jay s dou you
and I discussed it, like part of the beauty to
college is that, you know, you watch a kid like
Braden Smith at Purdue where he starts off as a freshman, improves, improves, improves,
and then his senior year and you're like, man, we
really developed that guy.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But that is the He is the exception, not the rule.
So does it affect you, Jason.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Yeah, I mean I I consider myself the Don Draper
of sports producers. I do like high level stuff, you know,
like high level topics, you know, kind of in the
abstract as opposed to like data day games. So I
don't I don't get bogged down in the weeds and
watching games and stuff. But I will say this about
college basketball, I'm with Isaac. It lost me years ago
(17:09):
because of the lack of familiarity with the players, and
the player movement has not helped that. But this was
kind of baked in. I wasn't going to follow the season,
probably to begin with Cooper Flag was a little bit
of an interest for me. All that stuff that you
just described I know exists, I know is important in
(17:30):
your world, and ultimately we'll be talking about next week,
but it doesn't move my needle. The actual play this
weekend will move my needle. I don't know if that
answers your question. But I'm interested in the basketball this
weekend and not what you just described.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Which part not the analytics part of it.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Well, the analytics is one thing, but the whole thing
about what is going to decide or the lawsuit's going
to decide all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
That's putting a crunch on the coaching staffs. It's you, guys, Doug,
like the fans only want to know about what the
roster looks like, you know, with the season about to start,
but it'll leave everybody in the dark until those rosters
are assembled. It's just it's just so much more like
the pros now and then I really do think it's
not like.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The pros though. Well, but I mean the pros guys
stay more than a year, of.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Course, sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So it's it's not it's like a basketball.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
You do see guys going taking an aile money and
might they might spend more than a year at a
college program though, right, I mean I've seen that guys
will be uh with U now maybe two years, like
let's just say two years. But yeah, it's sometimes it's
just a one year deal. So it's even more it's
even more scattered than the pros. Yeah, to your point, So.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Does it Does it affect you viewing college basketball? Oh?
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Man, does it affect Well, if I'm starting by watching
my favorite team and watching their games, the fervor of
the passion has not been diminished Again. Once that team
is assembled and everyone's paid and the contracts are signed,
I'm locked in for the year. But then the during
the off season and it's chaos, and that is a turnoff.
(19:07):
Once the season starts, I'll be tuned in. But no,
I'd say it doesn't. But it's kind of feeling like, no,
I don't think. I don't think I'll stop watching college
basketball because of the NL stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
But it's just gross. It feels gross. Doug Big, Big
Mic is in, Big Mic is in. He I think
he wrote this as a statement. It's like a mic
drop in. In other words, maybe this is our end
point from Big Mic. Fans don't care how the sausage
is made.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Good boom, Yeah, we just want to eat well said, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Maybe more, maybe more traditional college basketball fans do care
how the sausage is made.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Again, but it's here's what it's like to me. Okay,
And again, I could be I could be wrong. There
everyone knows a high school that has move ins, right,
and everybody knows the high school that has guys kids
that just kind of grew up together playing together, right,
and now you have and it's like and then there's
(20:10):
always the private school that has kids from they just
going there's always like one private school in every big
city that tries to compete, competes against the public and
it's like not fair. They have kids from all over,
they get the best of the best of the best,
and oftentimes they'll play two or three years at the
public school and then they go to private school for
their senior year, right and every and you kind of
like it doesn't feel as organic as team building. It
(20:35):
doesn't feel sort of special. And you're getting fewer and
fewer those public schools that have kids that all matriculated through.
There's like just a handful I produce, like one of
the only ones. And even they've added a kid here
or there, they've had to move in here or there.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But now like everybody is just.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Collecting players, so I and and again it's like the
lust for money, and I like I get it, Like
I'm sure had I, you know, after my.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Junior season at Oklahoma State. We led the country.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I led the country and assists and I had, you know,
start off at a very very good year, and then
I went through the doghouse with my coach and didn't
start for eight games. I'm sure there would have been
a tough conversation there and I would have I'm I
went guessing I would have stayed, but I would have
been handsomely compensated, probably not to the very top level.
(21:30):
But I don't know, like, how would my life have
been different had I after my junior like I was
really I was. I was ready to leave midway through
my junior season, bags packed team was going to Creyton,
then to Vegas, and then I was not coming back.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Just send me my stuff. I'm good, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And uh didn't play particularly well against Creighton and didn't
start against UNLV and then played great, had fifteen assists,
We win the game, We go home for Christmas break,
and I'm kind of back and I'm like, eh, and
back then, if you were going to transfer, you had
to do it before a second semester started. A couple
of games, Back still didn't didn't play very much, and
then all of a sudden he started writ before second
(22:10):
semester he started playing me some more, and you know,
we finished up strong.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
But it was a really tough year, really tough year.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
So you know, my decision, My guess is, you know,
I was older, like I'm if i'm if I'm looking
at a parallel to myself.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I was older.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Uh would have been twenty three years old my senior
year and looking to you know, if somebody says, hey,
you could leave Oklahoma State, and I'm sure Oklaham State,
we would have been, you know, below whatever the going
rate was. You know, I was offered two hundred and
fifty grand to stay and then offered five hundred grand
(22:49):
to leave. But the things that happened in my senior
year were magical. The bonds that I've built there are
from like, yeah, my kids go to Oklahoma State. You
know my son is you know, like he you ask him, now,
(23:09):
where are you going to school? Oklahoma State?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Don't care. I'm going to Okla State. That's where I'm going.
That's our school.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Obviously, got married, got got engaged, got married right after
my senior year, like all of these things. That's always
been a home base and I just don't think any
like it drives me crazy when I heard I hear
j Billis, who's like one of the foremost voices, completely
nullify any part of college lifestyle. And look, I get it,
(23:41):
Like college is a lot less like it was when
I went. There's the social scene at most of the schools.
Is is just different because you're on your phone, you know,
you take classes online, but it is at any of
these bigger schools. It is still kind of a throwback.
(24:03):
I get it, Chat, GPT and all this sort of stuff.
Like dudes aren't cramming the way they used to. Instead
they're cramming on ways in which they can hide the
fact that they use chat, GPT with other sorts of apps.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Right, I just I just want to crawl out.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Of my skin when I hear people make it out like, yeah,
just go to another school. Yeah, just go to another school. Like, man,
that's not what it's It's not about ten twenty thousand,
it's not even about one hundred thousand more dollars. And
that might sound crazy to you based upon whatever you make,
it would have been a lot of money for me,
(24:39):
a lot a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It doesn't feel like college, Doug. I mean, it's like
we don't even hear about that. We don't hear about academics.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Like get people going schools are making all this money.
They've always made money, dummies. Schools have always made money,
and then they ask you for more. That's what they do.
I just I'm maybe I'm a romantic, But like my
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boy Brian Mott not he's a high school coach at Ouassa.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
His son's heavily recruited. Like he's coming to join me here.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
We're gonna have a drink when I'm when I'm done,
Like any of my guys that are in basketball, I'll
see them this weekend. And I just can't imagine. And
like I transfer, I got in trouble. I left Notre Dame.
I was probably gonna leave anyway, But those guys. I'm
still kind of close to those guys. But imagine if
I was at three schools like you, you don't keep up.
(25:37):
You're in a lum of a place. There's no letterman
jacket that you have. I have my Notre Dame letterman jacket.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I don't wear it.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I just I don't. I don't understand where we're going.
Actually I do understand we're going. I think you hit
it on the head, Sam, it's gross.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
What about gross guys getting signed to multi year deals,
Like you're signing a letter of intent, but that comes
with money, and that you can't leave for more and
you're signed and if you if you breach that, then
you pay some kind of punishment.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, I mean again, this is where again I'm gonna
attack j Billis because he's he's just stating things which
are categorically false, and no one on ESPN or another
shows calls him on it. And he's like, well, it's
just the same. The portals always open for college basketball coach.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
He's like, no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
If you want to leave, you have to pay a buyout,
and even that happens so seldom in comparison to players
transferring out, like what you're comparing apples to oranges. In
no way is being the head coach at all comparable
to being a player. When you're the head coach, you're
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responsible for you know the people I'm responsible for and
I have I mean, part of what what you do
and when you wait for a state institution is I
have to do not like progres supports, I have to
do reports on all the people who report to me.
That's my staff, which is three full time assistants, a
director of basketball ops.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I have a.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Director of player development. I have a guy who's head
of analytics and video. I have my training staff that
is technically, at least partially underneath underneath me.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You don't have to do reports on the rest of us,
do you.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Okay, Lo and Krawn continues to be annoying.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
They're all respond I'm responsible for all of those players
and frankly some of their girlfriends. I have one that
has a wife when something goes wrong, like, I'm responsible
for it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So there's so.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Much more to it to being a head coach than
being a player. And Jay stating otherwise is it's so
laughably wrong it's offensive. And then oh yeah, by the way,
like hey dude, how about a buyout? You know, like, well,
that guy the coach just leaves Willie, No he doesn't.
It's not willy nilly like you have to move families.
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You have to decide about moving other people's families. And
then oh yeah, by the way, you kind of work
your whole life to get those jobs, get those opportunities,
and work your way up in whenever fashion you work
your way up. You don't just leave a job here
or there. It's like, well, Kevin Willard, he just left Maryland.
Yeah he was there for what four years? Completed a cycle.
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Players are there for nine months and they're responsible for
just themselves and to your to your to your question
or your statement, Sam, Yes, a multi year contract would
be great. The problem with multi year contracts and buyouts
is you will you can find a friendly judge who
will say you can't keep.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
A kid from transferring schools.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's the whole thing is insane, and none of it
is about education, nor is it about a nords. Is
it about like team and what builds for the rest.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Of your life. I just and Doug wins I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
In college basketball and college football, we have talked so
little about guys being academically ineligible academics themselves. Like we
used to be like, oh well he didn't his grade
point average wasn't high enough, so he's got to sit
or it's disciplined. We don't hear about that anymore, and
I'm worrying. I'm wondering, where is the where's the academic
portion of this?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
We forget that it's.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Not because we're on academic probation. As a program, we
had the second highest GPA in team history. So we
talk about it all the time. But no, I mean
it is there is some magical pen out there that
nobody's academically ineligible.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
How is that possible?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You're making a lot of money through the school.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
How is that possible?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
It gone away academically eligible.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
It's disappeared. It's like, we don't even that's got to
be hammered down. We need some regulation with that. And
you signing contracts, and like you got to get the grades,
you got to go to class, you got at least
go to class. Online education has to be a part
of it, even if it's like just symbolic for the
rest of us just to nod and say, Okay, they're
there for the right reason. They're there to make money,
but they're also there hopefully to work towards credits.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
They're not take college to make money.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
But of course not. But that's the reality, right, isn't.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
It that now? The reality that we've created.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I know it.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
It is sad, gross, It is sad and gross, But
then there should be if you're going to make a
million dollars in one year as a college basketball player
or a college football player. Then I don't know, you
got to put some knowledge in your head a little
bit at least.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, and listening, I'll credit my guys, my guys that
have remained and the guys that were signing. It's not
about the bottom line. Will will they get compensated?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, But I know at the top level that we
get to a point to where it's not about those things.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
So yes, do you think that right now we're sort
of in the wild West, the last frontier of like
payments to guys in college football and college basketball that
are just gonna shrink in like five to ten years,
because I mean, you look at these collectives and you
gotta get the owners.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I don't think you'll see guys making guys. I also
don't think guys make what they're reported to be make.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Sure, right, don't it's the agent's talking it up.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
But I think if a number does come out, it's
like someone's being paid two point five million for some
college quality. That just seems to me like there are
guys in the NFL that make less than that on
a one season basis.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
So I feel like it's going to show.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It just doesn't make economic sense. What what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Is donors are going to rebel, They're gonna be.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, that's some of it.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
But what's going to happen is that when the Olympic
sports go away, when gymnastics, when softball at some places,
when track and field, when swimming, when lacrosse, when those
go away, as well as when there becomes you know,
seventy five Division one schools and everybody else's Division three
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because because they'll just say, hey, it's just not worth
it to us, it's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
And look this this newest thing.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
If it gets signed, people think that it'll postpone that possibility.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
For ten years. I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
But you know, eventually we'll probably get to I don't know,
two hundred Division on schools instead of three sixty four.
So and you may think, well, good, that makes it
separation the best, the best. Okay, So that means you're
telling if we're just doing men's college basketball, do the
math here, there's fifteen people you get your next year.
There's a roster cap of fifteen. You don't have that fifteen.
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But even if they do thirteen scholarships do thirteen times
one hundred and fifty. That's how many kids you're telling
we're no longer paying for your school for You're not
paying for you to go to school. We're no longer
paying for your school.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
They're like, whoa wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on,
there's enough money to go around, Like, no, there's not.
There's enough money at the very very top, not enough
money for everybody else.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
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You only had one rebound and twenty assists in Milwaukee's
win over the seventy six ers last night.
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said this for a long time, and I know it
to be true, but I'm glad that Florio of all people,
wrote about it today Mike Florio's Pro football Pro footballtalk
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dot com. He reports in his final analysis, the contract
between Geno Smith signed and the Raiders isn't much better
than the contract his replacement in Seattle, Sam Donald, signed
with the Seahawks. Smith presumably could have gotten the same
deal or something close to it if he stayed in Seattle. However,
there was another wrinkle at play. Per Sars with knowledge
(34:18):
of the situation, Smith want to reunite with Pete Carroll
on kasch him before. That doesn't mean Smith deliberately overshot
his contract negotiations with the Seahawks with a hope and
be traded in Vegas, but it was part of the
overall thought press process for smith in it all worked.
My guess is I mean, can we read between the
lines here right? That's what Gino wants it to read as.
(34:39):
I don't think it matters. I think the Raiders massively
overpaid Gino. I think the Seahawks really preferred you know,
they preferred Sam Donald. He fits their offense better, he
is better, he's younger, he's better, had a better season
than Gino had. And Gino of course wants to make
it look like he's loyal to the guy he played
for before.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But this is a real thing.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So oftentimes we get you know, guys get accused of
hiring the wrong people almost always. You want to hire
somebody you've worked with before. I mean, even take my
job right, two years ago, I was a finalist for
the Green Bay job and Sundance Wicks got the job.
Why my athought director Josh Bunette. He worked with Sonny
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before at Northern State, had a great work relationship. He'd
been a head coach before, he knew how he operated,
it worked, And then I think the reason he turned
to me was we had a relationship, you know, a
totally different thing, different time, different deal, different time of
year to make the job happen. But you want to
hire somebody you've either worked with before, you have a working,
(35:45):
intricate knowledge of Scott Shapiro is my boss. He got
to Fox Sports Radio from ESPN. I worked together with
him when he was at ESPN. We have a work
He knows my strengths, he knows my weakness is He's
not an idiot. Jason and I had worked together, but
we hadn't worked separately. Right he was producing shows locally
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and then he worked at Fox TV, so our past
cross and of course I remember him from the Rome
Show and I would appear on the Roam Show. So
there's a working intrigonage. None of that is surprising. What
is surprising to people is that you have worked with
them before and they get a new job and they
don't turn to people that they know. That usually sends
(36:27):
up alarm bells over what your relationship was when you
were together previously. Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
The Draft is up coming on April twenty fourth, and
twenty fifth and twenty sixth April twenty All that week
will be broadcasting from right Across from lambeau Field to
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two locations, the Legacy Hotel and the bar. The bar
is a it's a small chain in Green Bay and.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
You guys would love it.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
One of the bars that's closer to where I live
and to the school actually has indoor sand beach.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Volleyball courts connected to it.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
This one, which is the bar at Home Grin, which
is on Mike Hombrian Way, has pickleball courts, indoor pickleball
courts attached to it. So Dan Patrick and I will
be broadcasting both from there. I bring up the draft
because now we're kind of in draft mode. Right now,
we're in draft mode and the Steelers, I think we
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can assume they're going to get Aaron Rodgers. Right if
you had to guess Dan Byer, even though right you
don't want to really, I mean not Dan, I'm sorry,
Chason Stewart, even you want you want to guess the
likely that Aaron Rodgers is a Pittsburgh Steeler, knowing that
the rumor is he's going to announce it on Monday
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when Pat McAfee has a live show.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I believe it to be true. I think it's done.
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Yeah, I think the that internet rumor is going to
go the same way Aaron Rodgers' words about Jimmy Kimmel
being on a list that nobody wants to be on.
I think it's gonna go that way. We're gonna Tuesday
is gonna come and go, and there's gonna be no
Aaron Rodgers. But yeah, ultimately he will be on the Steelers.
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It seems like the only option for both parties. And
you know, Aaron's just gonna make it difficult. He's the
he's the former hot chick who still thinks they're hot,
and he's going to be difficult and the courting process
not understanding or being self aware enough to know that
the difficulty you experience in the courting process. Smart people
(38:40):
are like, oh, this is what I have to live
with if I marry that person. Screw that.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, it's a that's a that's a tep pill to swallow,
especially those of those are dopes and that significant others
looking at you like you're you're jeweling.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Out the side of your mouth. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I'm fascinating to see the quarterback thing, because, as you know,
last year's quarterback class was supposed to be good.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It was not.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
This year's quarterback class is not supposed to be good,
and it's probably not. But what does that mean for
cam Ward? What does that mean for sdor Sanders? What
does that mean for text Dart? And then you look
at so many of these teams and the way in
which many of them have been successful. Seahawks when they
draft to Russell Wilson, Niners obviously as well here they've
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done it with second and third day quarterbacks. Is that
the trend? Is that the trend? Let's get to Mark
dominic Key joins us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Mark, Let's start with Aaron Rodgers
hasn't said anything about the Packers, but did play catch
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with their new star wide receiver, and he appears to
be sort of out of options.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
What's the like good? You think he becomes the starting
quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
Yeah, I mean certainly feels like a right. I mean,
you know, I think the Giants that kind of made
their bed and made their decision to go with Russell
and whatever the draft folds, and Pittsburgh seems like the
landing spot. I think it's just coming down to the
fact that does Aaron want to play and I guess
Aaron's really struggling with that clearly to be this deep
into it. We're about to start Oka's here in a
few weeks, and that's where you'd like to have that
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decision made. So I look at the Oka's and say,
we'll get that decision by OTA day, because I think
that's the critical part. If he's going to want to
go to be a new system, gopis a new quarterback
and meet all the new players, he's got to make
a decision before to see the start the OTA day,
So I think that's probably the drop dead day to
see what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
If you were drafting, where would you draft you? Door Sanders.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
I've always said I thought he was more of a
ten to twenty or ten to twenty five player. You know,
I've recently been talking about Jackson Darks. I think closed
the gap a little bit more than people realize or
want to admit. I like you, Door Sanders, but I
have struggled a little bit with you know, the amount
of Saxon took in college. Even we can beat up
the offensive line all we want, but you know the
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reality is not everybody has a great offensive line and
not as good a players, and maybe other teams too,
you know, at Ohio State or wherever it may be.
But there's just a part of me that says, you
know what, there's a lot of risk there. And I
think the risk is the fact that whether or not
he can uh, you know, run a normal system and
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run through the progressions instead of having to create the
way he has to create so much in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I answer a great question, what do you think the
answer is, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Where I struggled, right, That's where I mean. I cam
Ward I have no problem with, but Shador when you
watch him, you know he's this is not fair, So
I do not think he is. But he's a little
more that Johnny Manzil where he runs around until he
finds something to happen. Now, I think you should have
stands a much better player than Johnny Manziel coming out.
He's a better player, who he's much more instinctual, all
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those things. But when they think of those guys that
are like just kind of you know, make things happen
because they run around it and wait for things to
open up that should do. And again I've said, you know,
the complete extent is really exceptional. But I also think
that because he took sacks, he didn't want to throw
away bad you know, bad balls. You'd rather take a
sack and throw the ball away, And to me, that's
something that you can't do at the next level.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
No question about it. No cause.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Mark Domini's our guest's former gym in Tampay Buccaneers. He
joined us for his weekly pop here on the on
the Doug got League Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
how far behind is Jackson Dart behind Shure Sanders. I
think you're close.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
I mean, I think it's like within the fact that
I think they're both going first round. I don't think
should do or standards like suddenly not he's not the
first round player or anything like that. But I do
think it's closer than maybe people can't admit or will admit.
And so, you know, I think Jackson Dart can sneak
into you know, the you know, top fifteen kind of
a spot.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
You know.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
I think the Saints are a real player. I think
there's other teams that are real players, and I think
there's teams maybe behind them might grove up. So I
think those three guys should all go around one and
then I think we'll have to wait till round two
to see the Jalen Milroe, the queen you were, the
other players pop off the board.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, yeah, no pressure, but that's next weekend. We need
we need an answer by that fact. Yeah, we need
is Mark Dominick. He's our guest here weekly stop here
on the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Longtime
front office members. His entire professional life has been working
on the Nation Football League, of course, former general manager
of the of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Uh okay, does
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Aaron Rodgers at this age with this skill set, does
he solve the Steelers problems?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (43:33):
I think he can. I actually do. I mean again,
the Steelers team out performed last year, uh, you know,
and that they can.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (43:40):
I think the defense is going to carry this. They've obviously,
you know, stepped up and grabbed DK Metcalf who you know. Yes,
there are people out there like well you got Primadonna's
I think Mike Thomas can handle that. Like I believe
that Mike knows how to handle those guys. But I
think it's the ones that aren't focused because he doesn't
mind the Prima Dona. He wants to focus the attention
to be about the team and not for me. I
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know he's works on it with Pick. We're seeing obviously
the Steelers let go of a lot of receivers who
just couldn't quite do that. I think DK will come
in line the he sees exactly what's going on, and
I think the Steelers haven't done yet. I look boarded
watching them in the draft to see exactly what do
they add at the running back room? What do they
added tied end him, because I think that's really the
area is that you're going to have to watch them,
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and I think that's where they're going to focus, is,
you know, how do we get guys to score more points?
We've got to be more explosive offense. I think they're
gonna look for that as well as like guys like
last year that really didn't get to play at Roman Wilson,
which I think will be a nice little fit for
whoever the Steeler or if Aaron Rodgers is still quarterback there.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Mark Dominic's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports for do you think you can like
you're trying to save your job and it's James and
Russell Wilson. I mean, I know he has a reputation
as a quarterback whisper, but I just I think Russell
Wilson's shot, I just do.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Well, tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 7 (44:58):
Well, I think there's still enough in Russell will and
where they feel like they can do it, specifically because
of the elite neighbors, and I think the Giants also
when you when you look at what they've got to
do in that football team, I think that they're going
to be in better shape than you're realism. I mean,
they I know that they've they've got really nice picks. Obviously,
uh in each round with high picks, you know it's
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going there. But think that the extra third round draft
think is going to be helpful those because they got
four in the top one hundred and those four are
going to be a big part of what they are.
And obviously it's it's to pick one. Is you know,
whether it's Travis Hunter, which adds you know, a huge
piece of the defensive side and in and a weapon
that you can kind of use sporadically on the offensive side.
That really feels good. But I also think that they're
still really good about, you know, the defense where they
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are in terms of Brian Burns and Dexter Lawrence. I
think that they think that. I think they see themselves.
It's a little bit better team. And I think like
Tyler Newman and Drew Phillips who they drafted last year
are really good young players. And so there's pieces here
on defense. I think you're going to feel better. This
comes down to what's running back do they like in
the draft and where do they take them? And then
you know, how do they you know, continue to get
one more wide receiver in this door?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Fascinating fascinating stuff. Geno Smith.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
I like, I get that you bring over a quarterback
that has similarity and he's now become kind of this
wily veteran. But I don't get the money that they
gave him. I just I just don't, you know, I
don't think I could be wrong. I don't think there
are other options where he's going to make, you know,
twenty five thirty, Like if he's a that's not placeholder
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money he's making.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Is it? Oh?
Speaker 7 (46:33):
I think it is by the structure, you know, And
I think this is this is why, you know, when
we talked a lot about you know, what was going
on was Seattle, you know, and the way that they
structured the deal obviously for you know, Sam Darnold is
kind of what they did a geno like. It feels
like that kind of a structure, like we're not sure
we're to keep this guy, but we certainly know that
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we can get out of it if we need to.
We can move on if we want to. And I
think that's what their goal was when they said, hey,
look we'll go God deal with you, g know, but
it's not going to be where we see other quarterbacks
getting to and so you know, I understand that I
don't love it either. You know, that wasn't the move
I expected them to do as well. I really thought
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that this might be a better move to them to
kind of wait and see how the draft played. But
you know, you've got to deal now with Gale Smith
where if you want to walk away from it, you
can as well. And that's I think really what the
critical things that they were looking for.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Fair enough Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I'm fascinated by the Niners, Like, you know, I get it.
You got a quarterback as mister irrelevant and he's good.
And I understand how this is kind of the way
business has always gone, where you got a quarterback, he's
a good quarterback. You know, you have cost certainty by
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giving them a long term deal. But I mean it
feels like there's going to be a six a sixty
million in the yearly salary and again, like.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You're gonna have to jettison.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
And I also know and I think you and I
have discussed this some of those guys that they allowed
to walk out the door, and they've said, hey, it's
because we've got to pay our quarterback. They didn't really
want back anyway, right. I mean, I think the Deebo
Samuel Dial was a bad deal. The second was signed
because of where they felt like he was, you know,
injury wise, and he wasn't the same guy. But I mean,
(48:30):
is he good enough to carry a franchise if they
don't have the level of talent they've had during his
time so far.
Speaker 7 (48:37):
But Brock Pretty, Yeah, yeah, I think so he is.
I like rock pretty, I like the way he fits
the ball. I think that they still have a ton
of weapons around him. And I've said I think Ricky
Pearsall is going to be a breakout player in twenty
twenty five. I think he's going to be a guy
that people like questioned, you know last year is your
first rounder in it? You know sadly gets obviously shot
(49:00):
to is no to none of his fault. And yet
I think that they told you everything about Ricky Percell
by the move they're making. And I think that they
have been very very outgoing in terms of their words
about Rock Party, whether it's ownership, whether it's head coach,
whether it's GM. There's nothing shy or in a bash
like trying to work on a good deal. Like they're
not trying to like, hey, let's not talk them up
(49:21):
so much so we can maybe get him for fifty
the way they talk him up, this is going to
be fifty five to sixty a year. They Yeah, And
I know Shanagan. I've worked with Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
If he's bought into a guy, I'm going to trust
that Kyle's got the right mindset. But I like just
the way he reads progressions, the way he goes to things,
and I think he's got a moxi comb that's in
a winning mentality that you know, I'm you know some
people it's it's hard when you're mister irrelevant, but you
know he's already done more than I think Tony Romo
good in his career as an undressed quarterback.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah no, no, listen again, I agree with all of
those things, but there does come a limit where you're.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Like, yeah, I don't know about beame him sixty year.
Speaker 7 (50:00):
I didn't think so either took. I was. I mean
I was. I was more like during this, you know,
the season was over, I'd like, if you get him
in that forty five to fifty and build it up
to fifty and then builds it up to fifty five,
I felt pretty good. But I don't think it's back
because the way that they're publicly talking about them, that's
too strong of words to feel like you've got any
leverage to do nothing right. So you've given the agent
(50:20):
every bit of the of the you know, the candle,
and said, you tell me what it's going to take,
and then when they're sitting there and publicly say, hey, look,
I don't think there's gonna be any issue about getting
extension done. As an owner, that's that's music to an agency.
Years and I've been surprised how harp Day said it
because I think I was played it the other way
to try to least uh, you know, save the organization
(50:42):
some cash for you know, future endeavors.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Any idea what the Cowboys are doing?
Speaker 7 (50:48):
Well, you know I don't. Here's what I say with
Joe Milton. It tells me New England can't stand Joe Milton. Right,
there's no reason to trade away Joe Milton for a
fifthron pick. Uh, you know when you got him on
his rookie field his second year, unless there's a problem
in the club. I mean, and Rabel was even there
(51:08):
last year, but you know Elliot Wolf was and he
was part of the team that picked him. So what's
changed so fast that you looked at Joe Milton and said, well,
he came in the last game and actually played better
than people thought. And now suddenly like I got to
get him out of the building? Can I?
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Can I? Can I? Okay? Can I throw out a possibility? Oh? Sure? Okay?
Speaker 1 (51:26):
So you have a young starting quarterback who's your guy.
You've decided he's your guy.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Right, yeah?
Speaker 1 (51:31):
And then Joe Milton's a young quarterback, Like, we don't
need a young quarterback who thinks he wants to play
behind a young quarterback. We need a wily old guy
that's you know, happy to be there, kind of quasi
quarterback coach Josh McCown sort of type.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
And whereas the Cowboys they got Dak. Dak's their guy.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
He's not threatened and oh yeah, by the way, he's
always hurt, and so the Cowboys can take that risk.
Is there a way in which that's really more the case?
Speaker 7 (51:58):
Well, so here's the thing though, the way I look
at that and struggle with that and the fact that
you basically got back your pick your youth on Joe Milton, right,
and that's what you've done. But you know, what if
something goes wrong, what if Drake may goes down or
they got their Josh downs. He's their veteran quarterback. He's
their guy that's going to kind of like, you know,
walk them through everything. That's the guy that they said, hey,
(52:19):
look he's going to be our guys.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Right.
Speaker 7 (52:21):
But I look at it is like, there's nothing wrong
was holding onto Joe Milton? What if he had a
great preseason, right, And now suddenly you're like, wait, second,
what can I get for him now? Because you know,
even though I don't want him, I might get a
third or fourth because he played really good in the preseason,
even though internally I clearly don't think he's a good player.
If Drake May can't handle the fact that you know,
(52:43):
it's like, well maybe Drake May's worried of competition, well
then I got the wrong quarterback in the first place.
So I just I don't give away quarterbacks. So again,
I don't love I didn't like the trace in this
move for the Cowboys, but I don't mind this. You
give up a fifth, you get back a seventh, and
you get a young quarterback. I don't think it's going
to work out because I'm going to trust the Patriots
would never do a deal like this unless they knew
(53:04):
that there's something wrong about the player.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Good enough, great stuff. Man, can't wait to see you
in Green Bay. We'll talk next week before you make
that track. Thanks so much for being our guest here
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (53:15):
Good to be with you, Doug ENJOYR Weekend, Buddy,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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