The NFL Needs to Remember Their Fan Base

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Boom Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Coming to you from the City of Angels,
where I'm told there's a prestigious football game and yet
this one. Yeah, Bears Packers lem move field tonight Thursday

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Night football. But I don't know as anybody else kind
of out on this whole Bears Packers thing. It's been
since two ten that both teams made the playoffs. It's
the longest running rivalry in the NFL. But it just
doesn't feel like a big game. Maybe it's because of September.
Maybe it's because games in Lambeau Games and Soldier Field

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should be paid played in crummy weather. Maybe it's because
Aaron Rodgers is completely and thoroughly for the most part
his career dismantled the Chicago Bears. I don't know what
it is, but this is one of those ones who
are like, no, no, this is big, this is big,
this is big, and you're like, a, right, I'm not

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the only one of the like the Bears Packers games
most recently have been memorable because we're waiting for Jay
Cutler to implode, right, That's what they've been most known
for recently, but we'll have Bears Packers tonight. He's winning again.

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I have a friend who's uh uh, one of my
old bosses in the radio business, and um, he's about
my age, and he is from New York City. I'm
from southern California, and I don't think politically we're exactly aligned,
Like if you care to know, and I don't know

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if you care. No, I'm generally a centrist, right, I
kind of see both sides of this thing. I don't
fly off the handle at any one thing. I take
a deep breath and go like, all right, kind of
a c interest not kind of I am right. I
understand I had to pay taxes. I'd like to play
less taxes, but I know that my government needs my

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money to make the world work. Um. I believe in
people's rights and liberties. On the other hand, I also
think that that there are there's a good portion of us.
They're like, look, we'll give you a little help when
you're down, but you gotta pick yourself up to not

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just us picking you up. Like I'm right there in
the middle. And I'll never forget the conversation we had
after the election. I was went in New York City
at the times where I lived and I worked outside
of it, I lived in it. And I said, uh,
I just's a pail over the city. People are mourning,

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and I understand that New York City is a bastion
for liberal thought, for democratic thought. Uh. And maybe they
thought they knew the president elect at the time. Now
the president better than everybody else. And I can't believe
you didn't see past this. And he said no, no,
no, no no, no, no no, you're looking at this all wrong.

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And he says under me, which I found to be.
He said, what's the biggest upset in sports? I was like, well,
I mean everybody says eight Olympic team. I don't know.
I think when Argentina won the World championship in basketball.
I think that's one that gets uh doesn't get discussed enough.
George Mason getting to a final four VCU getting to

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a final for like George Mason going through Michigan State,
North Carolina and then Yukon to reach the finals four,
like that was I was pretty unpig. He said, this
is bigger. What do you mean. It's like your president elect?
Your president elect beat sixteen others in the Republican primary

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and took down the Clintons to win the White House.
That's an upset And I thought of that conversation when
I saw with the Denver Broncos just put out. Do
you guys see what the Denver Broncos just put out?
John Romos, see you were you were working so sorry
the rest of us, We're just in here. I closed

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my eyes for ten minutes. Let's get ready for the
show from the Denver Broncos. Last week, members of our
team joined the Brothers around the NFL at a powerful
display of unity. It was an emotional time for everyone,
including fans who support each and every week as controversially
as controversial has it appeared. We needed to show our
collective strength above. Our voices needed to be heard loud
and career make Make no mistake, our actions were in

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no way to protest the military. Blah blah blah blah blah.
We're a team. We stand together. Starting Sunday, we will
be staying ending together. Um. I think he's gonna he's
winning again because there's something crazy and yet really really

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smart about whether he means to or doesn't mean to
what the president has done. Look, he went after the
media that was his thing. It was the media, the media,
the media, and he called Hillary Clinton a liar. Everything

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was about to light now. It didn't matter that fact
check would go through and point out that he was
actually lying more than she was lying. He and after
the greatest political family regime in modern history, and the
Clintons right called them liars and beat him when after

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his sixteen rivals and beat him won the election. And
now he's gone. After the NFL, the most popular sport
in America, the highest rated shows on TV last year,

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we're all NFL games, and in addition to predicting gloom
and doom in the future for the NFL, like this
is taken over the airways, CNN ran a special on
it last night. And oh yeah, by the way, if

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you think that he's not winning, I give you the
Denver Broncos who are apologizing to their fans. Hey, we
were disrespecting anybody. We were just showing solidarity. Are you
gonna again? Nope, We're standing. And even if they're standing,
because like, look, we're gonna do this. We're gonna kneel, now,

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we're gonna stand. We're gonna show unity, even if it
has nothing to do with President Trump. You don't think
he's gonna take this as a win. It's kind of remarkable, right.
It's iron was watching TV. I was watching um well,
the financial shows, and one of the Trump's sycophants was

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on there and he's like, hey, look look what the
stock market has done since the president has been in office.
And the guys like hold on. The biggest jump percentage
wise in the history of stock market was when President
Obama was in the White House. Are you going to
give him credit for that's the stock market going up? There?
He said no, well then we can't have this conversation.

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But the genius to this guy is that with even
in losses, he claims that win. We said this from
Salam joined us in the studio yesterday and we're like, look,
even when bad news comes out, he just says it's
fake news. And then when good news comes out, whether
he can claim responsible it doesn't, he claims responsibility. It's
really remarkable, and I mean nobody takes out in the

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NFL and wins. Hell. The NFL's former players went to
court in this battle for money because of CTE, because
of brain from a brain injury, even death caused by
playing in the National Football League. They compared him to
the tobacco industry, and they settled for less than a

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billion dollars, a lawsuit that had it gone all the
way might have been worth over too. They settled. The
NFL is an incredibly powerful entity, and the protest, we're

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kind of going away. Kaepernick wasn't in the league. There's
a guy here, a guy there. There's some solidarity shown
by white players, black players, coaches, a little bit of it.
He goes after the whole league calls him s O
b S. They react, and their fan bases apparently have

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reacted enough to where NFL teams got cold feet and
why they get cold feet because the same way you
win elections is the same way you win in TV.
Everybody thinks, we don't care about the flyover states. Nobody

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cares about Kansas, nobody cares about Nebraska. It cares about
Oklahoma and Alabama, and when the end, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and
Pennsylvania is a huge state. Okay, But the truth is
the rest belt in Ohio. But the truth is that
the NFL, much like Corporate America, really really cares about

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the rest belt, really really cares about the Midwest. More
so than the NBA. The NBA is a city game,
man cities and suburbs. They love it. So NBA players
they can protest, they can their coaches can go on
anti Trump rants however much they want. That doesn't affect
business and football. It does football, It does. And if

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you don't think that the NFL here is loud and
clear from a good portion of its fan base that
is suddenly bothered by protests which had in fact existed
for the last year and a half. Only now are
they releasing statements. Only now it's because it's the damnedest thing.
In political science classes. This is what my my, my

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boss told me, going back uh to last November and
political science classes. For the next fifty years, they will
talk about this election, and they will talk about it
much differently than how the public talks about it. When
the media talks about it. Now, they'll talk about the
greatest upset in the history of our country. And you

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know what, the second greatest ups that might be the
fact that he just went after the NFL and damn
if he's not winning. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.
But you gotta know who your base is. You gotta
know who fans are, and enough of these teams are

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getting cold feet to where, Like we said it earlier
this week, a decorated ranger who went to West Point
plays for the Steelers, comes out salutes the flag, only
Steeler to do so, and he feels that he's been
criticized so much. He apologizes to his teammates. Ben Roethlisberger,
hearing it from enough fans to where he said, well,

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I should have gone out there and saluted the flag.
That everyone is paralyzed by this thing, and so what
do they do? They give up. They released a statement
of unity, saying at the end, starting Sunday, we'll be
standing together. The boy Mike Pereira joins the show up

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coming next, Did you guys see the Bills Broncos game?
How is that a penalty? When von Miller goes and
does the psych you know, the too slow to Tyrod
Taylor and um let out of the law, spirit of
the law, the runoff that ended up ending the Lions

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comeback against the Falcons. I guess can anything be done?
What is the impetus of that rule? And will that
rule be changed anytime soon? My prayer is going to
join the show up coming next with some head scratching
penalties and will see if there's any fixes. But for
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away yesterday at the age of ninety one years old.
Usually when somebody dies, you say, ah, he's in a
better place. But I don't know. It's a challenged for
the big man upstairs, right he's looking around, and he's
looking around. St. Peter's at the gate and he's like, yeah,
I don't know. I don't know. I had it pretty
good down there. Better place, better place might took us,

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better place might took us. I have been to the
I went to the Playboy Mansion once. Did a radio
show from the Playboy Mansion night before the SPS. They
used to have live boxing and we did a radio
show actually taped. I think interviews from there. Well. Yet
the the the big thing was you had to tape
the interviews early before people in vibe too much to

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where there was just in inaudible and too many bleeps.
But it was it was a good and interesting time
at a menagerie of animals, big peacock walking around, crazy
famed grotto. Mike Prayer joins us, of course, our rules
expert at Fox Sports, trying to decipher exactly how do

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you fix what happened at the end of the Lions
game if you missed it. The Lions are playing, the
Falcons are driving down the field, Golden take catches. The
ball looked like he scored what would have been the
game winning touchdown. Upon further review, he was down at
like the one foot line. It was with eight seconds
to go, and the Lions, because they had no time

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outs by rule, there was a ten second run off.
Thus the game was over. Shouldn't have in over? My
joint is now on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I get
by letter of the law, spear of the law, they
should have been able to stab the football. Um is
there any way to change this? I don't think there is.
You know a lot of thought went into putting this

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rule in in the first place, because it kind of
reared itself in a Dolphin game with the Saints. And
you know what, what basically happened there was the replay.
Because of replay, a team got one extra snap at
the end of the half, which they weren't entitled to.
And and um, you know, so this rule came up
basically within inside of two minutes. If a if a

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ruling of a stopped clock, whether that's a touchdown or
an incomplete pass, gets reversed to a running clock which
is either short of the goal line or a completed pass,
then you ran ten seconds to protect against what happened
in that game in two thousand nine. What makes it
really I get that Detroit seems always to be the victim,

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and I understand that. Um, what gets to be difficult
is how do you change it? Yes, this was with
eight seconds to go, um, but what if it was
four seconds? And what if the ball was snapped from
the fifty on a hail mary? And it was clear
that they never could have gotten set up? Um, we
talked about variables, you know, could we could we have

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a different time frame when the ball is snapped from
inside the twenty um as opposed to beyond the twenty
and do we give them eight seconds on one and four?
It got to be so convoluted that the committee really
decided to say, let's just treat it the way that
we treat fouls that prevent a snap and and take

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ten seconds. And and I just I just I don't
like it. It doesn't feel good the way that it
ended up in Detroit. But take it down to four seconds,
and what do you do? Um, there's just too many riables,
I think, to ever get it changed. Yeah, I guess
the the the issue becomes like in this case, uh,

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Detroit had thought they scored a touchdown, Like they get
penalized for the ruling being wrong on the field, right,
I mean, that's that's really what ends up that ends
up have happening. Um. And the other part that I
would I would probably point out my kids, this is
maybe why you don't change the rule because of one play.
And I mean I get that it's good foresight to have,

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but it does feel like the initial rule was changed
because of one play. No, well, it well it was,
I mean it really wasn't. But that that's the case,
and so many rules that are changed. I just think
you look at this, Doug, and you say, okay, I
get that that it was eight seconds, but what if
it was too and and and therefore, if you're on

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the other side of the ledger there with Atlanta and
you made a ruling on the field that was wrong,
that if you made it right, there was absolutely no
way that the offense would have gotten another play. What
equity is there? Um, you know, it's it's a it's
a tough one, like I say, it's it just it
doesn't feel right. It's the the end the game like that,

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you know, with the ten seconds runoff for basically what
amounts to an officiating air um isn't isn't pretty whatsoever.
But I just I just don't know to protect against
you know, that next step of it being two seconds
or three seconds or a hail Mary thrown from the
fifty where there's no way they could get that set

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up in ten seconds. I don't. I don't know where
you go. I mean, this is the first time it's happened,
by the way, at the at the in the end
of the game since the rule was put in two
thousand and ten. So, uh, I guess you have to
live with you know what just turns out to be.
I can't. I can't say it was an unattended consequence

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because you knew this could happen. But you know, as Detroit,
you know, they put out a video that shows how
they got set up in seven seconds on the twenty
seven yard game, UM a year ago. So I mean,
it's certainly realistic or probably probable that they would have
gotten another snap off. But it's just the way it is.

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I don't know how you change it. I really don't.
Mike Ferreira joining us on the Doug Otlib Show here
on Fox Sports Radio, all right, let's let's go to Buffalo,
and by now you've been able to try and kind
of figure out what happens. What happened? Um, it was
it was. I mean, I guess you're just trying to
have fun right where where it it looks like, you know,

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a star defensive end does the old psych move with
the quarterback, and the referee reacts in kind becomes a
really kind of damaging call to go against the Denver Broncos.
I'm sure by now, like I know, I know you're
still close with those guys that you called around You're like, okay, like,

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what what the heck happened? Where von Miller gets penalized
for faking like he's going to help help up the
Buffalo Bill's quarterback. Um, by your estimation, what did happen? Well,
not enough to merit the flag. Um. You know, I
just think it was an overreaction for um, you know,

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for and and you can't expect the officials to know
that maybe their buddies and have and and and know
each other and they're having fun with each other. But
you know, taunting to me, as as we've always said,
in your face, face to face prolonged. Um, so much
more that was worse than that happens that doesn't draw
a flag. And I think it's a turnaround and saw

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it real quick and instead of taking a deep breath
and and uh and and waiting and think about it,
it was just a quick reaction to throw the flag.
And this is not you know, this is not a
new referee here. This is the referee that referee the
Super Bowl last season. Um. But you know, to me,

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we're all I think in that mode where we're trying
to let the players have a little bit more fun
on the field, and you know, we've loosened the rules
in terms of celebrations and demonstrations. You can you can
go to the ground and you can crawl. If you
want on the ground, you lift your leg. And that's
taken it a step too far. But but we're still

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the league is trying to loosen the range a little bit.
Into me, this was a overreaction. I mean, I get
it that it may have looked funny at the moment,
but you know, you just it was just failure to
me to take a pause and try to put it
all in perspective. But to me, it did not at all.
Meriti flag Um, all right, you watched officiating a bunch

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this year, Mike Prayer join us in the Doug Gottlin Show.
Is there any trend? It does feel like they're letting
defensive backs play more this year? Am I? Am I
misinterpreting that? And that am I parachuting in and making
an assumption based upon a lack of a call here,
a lack of a call there. It feels like they're
allowing defense to win a little bit more, compete a
little bit more. Am I wrong? No? I think you're right,

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but I don't think it's just this year. I mean,
I think it really starting to loosen up yet. I
will tell you, if you read the Competition Committee report, UM,
it is a point of emphasis UM the contact down
feel both illegal contact and defensive holding. UM. But going
into last week, I don't think there had been a
single illegal contact call made. I haven't checked the stats

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this week, but you know, to make a point of
emphasis is dangerous when you don't create an advantage or
a disadvantage. And that's what That's what happened basically in
two thousand four when when it was like, okay, any
contact beyond five yards as a foul, any Jersey grabs

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a foul, I mean, I think you you really need
to officiate the game advantage disadvantage. And as I watch it,
I mean I I look at many, many, many plays
every week that technically qualify as illegal contact but don't
get called. And I'm okay with that if it doesn't
create an advantage. And you know, I know the way

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they're being taught, um, the downfield officials are being taught,
and it's basically somewhat in conflict with the actual point
of emphasis that uh it was in the Competition Committee report.
But I'm not saying let them play, or if you
want to say let them play, that's fine as long
as you consistently let them play. But defense, I mean,

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it's hard to play defense in this league. And and
to me, defenders need a fair shot too. And if
they what we call snuggle when they lean into the
receiver when the receiver is going to run an out route,
let it let it go, don't worry about it, because
not a player offense or defense creates an advantage. So, um,
I think they've been pretty good at letting him play,

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with the exception of maybe the end of the San
Francisco and the Rams game on Thursday night with the
past interference penalty that I think most everybody would agree
was a bit ticky tacky. But um, I like the
fact that it's being let go a little bit. Yeah,
And there was a you know, there was a I
think it was that Erald Aaron Donald hit on on
Hoyer that felt more than a little ticky tack as well,

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But I was your Hoyer. It wouldn't have felt tick
tack to you. Yeah, But I mean, but like that
that's a hit and a quarterback, right, like, what what
did he do wrong? Well, it's A. I actually was
okay with that one. UM. You know, because you you
you need to make an attempt not to drive him
into the ground with your entire body weight. We had
one UM on Sunday, same type of action, but on

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the weight of the ground. UM. The defender turned his
body to the sign, didn't land on top of him,
and that one was called UM. That was called roughing
and in my opinion, shouldn't be Listen, the letter of
the law is on protecting the quarterback. And you know,
I'm like, I'm like finn and weekly and old. But

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if Donald would hit me like that, I'd still be
laying on the floor of Levi Stadium. Um, you just
have to make an effort to try to get your
body weight to the side, which defenders can do. By
the way, I know it's quick, but I borderline, but
I was okay with that call. Mike Perreira, you check
them out on on weekends, UM as our officiating expert

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on Fox Sports and Fox Sports One. My great stuff. Man,
let's catch up in person. Thanks for joining us anytime.
Thanks the great Mike Pereyra joining us big news in
the NBA. Let's bring in Steve the Sega with the
latest he would have. Well, we'll start with NFL and
end with NBA. A lot of football news. Course, there's
a game tonight Chicago at Green Bay five Eastern time,
and Packers defensive lineman Mike Daniels with a bad hip

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as a game time decision. Saints running back Adrian Peterson
misspracticed day in London before Sunday's game there against Miami. Peterson,
according to NFL Network, tweaked his knee in practice yesterday. Peterson,
in three games so far, has just twenty three carries
total seventy seven yards rushing with New Orleans. The Dolphins
A running back jay A Gi with his bad knee,
will be ready to play Sunday ian London, where he

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was born. L A Chargers running back Melvin Gordon's had
a bad knee, but we'll play Sunday at home against
the Eagles. Gordon missed part of last week's loss in
l A. Vikings quarterback Sam Bradford missed another practice today
with a sword knee. The Bengals activated linebacker Vontez Perfect
after a three game suspension. College football tonight Texas one
and two plays at Iowa State Tomorrow night FS one

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will have Nebraska at Illinois. In baseball, Cleveland a home
winner five two over Minnesota today. The Tribe had three homers.
J Bruce with his thirty five Cincinnati at Milwaukee coming
up in about a half an hour. Lebron James miss
Cavs practice today after rolling his ankle in last night's practice.
Christops Porzingis of New York left practice with a sore knee,
and the NBA has passed draft lottery reform and rules

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on resting players. You know, Doug Adrian when Rowski is
the NBA insider, his sources saying the Board of Governors
concluding a two day meeting past legislation on reforming the
lottery so that teams they hope don't tank as they
perhaps used to. It used to be if you had
the worst record, you'd have a chance of drafting number

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one overall that summer. And now it's just a fourteen
percent chance for the three worst teams in a season.
And in fact, the draft lottery will now include four,
So you could be the absolute worst team and it's
possible you could drop down to fifth in the first round.
I actually this is one of those It's kind of

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like the UH the cheating in uh in college basketball? Like,
is there a legitimate solution that completely rids us of cheating? Like? No,
is there a legitimate solution that completely it's justus of tanking?
The answer is no. The answers no, right, Like, all right,

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so it's not as valuable to have the worst record,
but it's now just as valuable to have the third
worst record as this is the horse record. I'm not
really sure that that does what you intended to do.
It's a law of unintended consequences that always jumps up
and get you. The resting regulations deliver adams over the

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ability to find teams for sitting healthy players, for instance,
that include nationally televised games. That legislation needed a simple
majority to pass. This needed a three force majority to pass. Look,
this is just This is reacting to fans, This is
reacting to partnerships, This is reacting to what the NBA did.

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This is what It's no different than what I talked
about with Mike Pereira right now. This has happened more
than just the one rule. But it's important that when
these lottery rules go in and they change, you're like,
why the only in five years somebody who had the
somebody had the worst record, had a really bad team,

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is gonna end up with the fifth pick in the draft, right,
And you're like, wait, that doesn't make sense. They had
a bad team and a team that had the fifth
worst record that was pretty good and then tanked at
the end there and get end up getting the worst record,
the lottery pick, the number one pick in the draft, Like, wait,
why did that happen? Now is the day when the Sixers,

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who are synonymous with tanking, only got the number one
pick once over the last couple of years. And he
hadn't even played a game for him yet, Ben Simmons,
So I get it. I understand it. I think the
tanking rules and trying to uh trying to um the
resting regulations that they're trying to give the power to

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Adam Silfer. By the way, Adam Silver now is going
to be the bad guy for the first time ever
in his NBA manage jurial career. Right at some point
he's gonna have to deliver the bad news like hey,
hi guys, yeah, hey Adam silver here, Yeah listen, I'm
the guy who got rid of Donald Sterling. I know,
and I let you guys protest and I've been really supportive,

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but you know, you had a game on ESPN the
other night and I noticed, I noticed that Lebron wasn't playing.
So look, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but look,
I gotta find you two. I ain't gonna like you
so much there, all right? Yes, rhyme music. What is

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it about the NBA that that's the one sport where
all of a sudden fans became turned onto this idea
that teams were like tanking, because like, what's the difference
from a fans perspective between a team like I don't know,
like the Phillies who haven't been good at all in
Major League Baseball for like the past like five seasons,

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or the same thing for like the Rounds who just
haven't been good. They just can't get a front office
that knows how to use their first round draft picks
pop properly, versus like what the Sixers did where it
became this like organized effort. And it seems like the
NBA is the only league that seems to be reacting
to it. Well, I think there's a bunch of things here. Okay.

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The first thing is, um, can you name anybody who's
been drafted, like anyone outside of when Steven Strasburg was drafted.
Do you have any idea when anybody else was drafted
in Major League Baseball? Yeah? I mean just like the
big stars like Bryce Harper, Chris Bryant, Like I remember
hearing about those big time players sort of right, But

(32:38):
do you were they drafted number? Was Bryce Harper drafted
number one overall? I want to say yeah, but he
might not have been, but I think he was. I
want to say yeah, but I really don't know if
it was yet, yes or no? Don't look it up,
yes or no. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go
with yes. Uh what about you? What about you? Ramos?

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Do you think he was draft number one overall? I
think he was drafted number one. He was drafted number
one overall by the Washington Nationals in the Major League
in the two thousand and ten Major League Baseball Draft.
Many Machado was third that year, Drew Promorence was fifth,
Matt Harvey was seven. H james On Talon was taken
second by the Pittsburgh Pirates, who has a thirteen eleven

(33:24):
career record for the Pirates, So it is. I think
a lot of it is it's it can be hit
or miss. We very much hit or miss. Noah Syndergard
went second in the second round of that year's draft.
I mean, the big thing is we don't know anything
because of college basketball. We know we know these guys,
whereas we have no idea about we have no idea
about baseball players. For the most part. Bryce Harper being

(33:48):
seventeen years old, not you know, not playing in high
school at the end, playing in college as a youngster.
That that ends up kind of drawing our attention. Um.
I would say that that's the power of college basketball,
it's power of basketball in general, that you can identify them.
I do think remember they had the suck for Luck campaign.

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They were telling, you know, you should be bad, and
when the Colts were really bad and they got Andrew Luck,
that was that was a tanking campaign. Um. But there's
also you You're you're more quickly reinvigorate. You used to
be more quickly reinvigorated by one number one overall pick
you just have been. I mean most of the most
of those guys hit. I think that's probably the biggest

(34:30):
thing is there have been a lot more hits there
and they have been misses. As opposed to the NFL,
the hit rate is far lower. But they've I guessed,
tried to fix the lottery. But I'm not sure there
is a They're like, all right, all right, smart guy,
come up with a solution, Like, I don't know if
I have one, I wouldn't be opposed to, Like everybody

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who doesn't make the playoffs ends up being in the
draft lottery, even numbers, and then do it live on
TV the way they used to do it live on TV.
I used to do it live on TV. I wouldn't
be opposed to. That would be fun. I think it
got it cool. The problem with that is if you're
the eight seed, all you gotta do is lose a

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couple of games and then you get an equal shot
at the number one pick as opposed to the worst teams.
Is that equitable? They kind of, you know what they
did here. They kind of did what the NFL did
with overtimes. Remember, like, oh, we can't have the where
you you know, only one team gets the ball, So

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let's put in a rule where you have to score
a touchdown to win an overtime. But it doesn't make
any sense because now only you have to score touchdown
unless it's the second possession in which you don't have
to score a touchdown, right, and they can give a
feel goal. Like the only time all season that a
touchdown own is the only thing that wins the game

(36:01):
is on the first possession of overtime. I don't make
any sense. Guests, who was very close to joining Lebron
James and the Cavaliers on the night of the draft.
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(36:24):
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Fox Sports Radio, Well got Thursday Night Football tonight? Uh
do's the night football? Don't knock get the last week?
Last week was actually really really good, right will it

(36:45):
be last week? It will be the week before the
week before. It's like, oh god, slow death, slow death.
You know it's not slow death. Game time with Steve
de Seger. This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Steve Got My Friends. Good afternoon to you. What of

(37:07):
the many games Sean Robos, do we have today, guess who.
I will give you a story really a sentence in
question form, and then we'll get to the story, such
as story one guests who returned to the NFL practice
field for the first time in three weeks today? A
star potentially on the defensive side. But what was the question?

(37:30):
Who returned to the practice field for the first time
in three weeks today? I don't know. No, it is
Brown's defensive end Miles Garrett. We have to say one
overall pig exactly. We have to say potentially. He hasn't
played yet. He was hurt in practice the week before

(37:51):
the season opener when a teammate fell on his right
leg back at practice in Ohio. Today, coach wouldn't say
if he expected to play Sunday against the Bengals. One
of the thing coach Hugh Jackson did says, I want
to see what the pain tolerance is, if there is
still pain, and exactly how he feels pain, pain right
and take it. Yeah. As much as I thought the

(38:12):
Browns we were coming along here, they were a favorite
on the road against in Annapolis Colton, they laid a
proverbial eg let's see if he changes things, if he
gets out in the field story. Number two guests who
was close to joining Lebron James is a member of
the Cleveland Cavaliers this offseason. Anthony Carmelo speaking to Sirius

(38:32):
x M Radio. You know he and George now teammates
that okay See the new thunder forward Carmelo, Anthony says
that deal was done to send him to the Houston
Rockets but fell through at the last minute. And now
Anthony says he and Paul George, now teammates in okay See,
were set to be teammates in Cleveland. Quote, me and
p G was supposed to be in Cleveland on draft

(38:54):
and me and p G was. You know, he won
a championship at Syracuse. It doesn't mean he went to
English class but something of a bomb for offseason NBA news.
These two items regarding Carmelo's well, what didn't turn out
to be his future not not surprising. Um, of course,
everybody's pulling to Kevin Pritchers is the guy who nixed
that deal for Paul George. On the other hand, Carmelo

(39:15):
Anthony would not trade his uh his trade request either,
So that's that's that's interesting. Number three guests who reportedly
had no interest in continuing his playing career in the
Canadian Football League. That's Johnny Menzel. No Colin Kaepernick in
the news. According to Pro Football Talk, he has a
team north of the border that showed some interest, but

(39:37):
the CFL isn't where he wants to play. The Montreal
Alouette said they reached out to Kaepernick's agent didn't get
a reply. A source close to Kaepernick told Pro Football
Talk that he's not interested in playing Canadian football. The
alouette'es GM and interim head coach said it hasn't gone
beyond the team just making sure that Kaepernick's agent knows

(39:57):
they have his cl right CFL rights quote. There's been
no conversation about Colin coming here. I don't I don't understand, Like,
if you don't want to play football, then like why
do we all make the assumption he wants to play football.
That is the assumption, isn't it. But it's it's a
bigger it's a bigger assumption to make than people give
your credit. Totally agreed. Number four. Guess who in the

(40:17):
NFL keeps pictures of media members by his lockers so
he can remember them? A quarterback Aaron rodgers In Kirk
Cousins of the Washington Redskins detailed oriented so that so
much so that one reporter and I've seen the photo,
tweeted the picture of Cousins keeping photos of media members
in his locker headshots like you'd see it a press

(40:40):
guide for athletes, just so we can remember their names.
How professional h is professional? There's nothing like nothing like
somebody calling you by your first name. He does a
great job of that, like Cousins does all the little things.
It's one of the things that's allowed him to get
where he's gotten. By the way, Kirk Cousin's wife reportedly
going into labor with their first babor baby, has left
the facility. Yea, Elvis has left the building. Number five

(41:06):
and final guess who claims to be the latest professional
athlete to become a billionaire with a B Christiano Ronaldo.
Although he was showing off his three million dollar sports car,
it's Floyd Mayweather TMC Sports, saying the boxing superstar was
leaving a nightclub in l a not too far from

(41:26):
his brand new man should of Beverly Hills when he
started talking about his bank account. Quote. I already made
up a billion dollars. That was easy. Apparently before the
McGregor fight. Forbes reported that Mayweather had racked up slightly
more than seven hundred million by then and career boxing earnings.
Although Floyd says the McGregor fight check and the Pacquieu

(41:48):
check haven't been cashed yet, doesn't he he owes money
in taxes? All right, that's uh, that's Steve de Seger. Uh.
College basketball, I believe is the next sport to evolve.
We'll talk about that evolution. Now to the Doug gotli Show. Boom,

(42:22):
What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Coming
to you from beautiful, sunny, hot southern California. I hope
you're doing well. It's golf on my TV. I should
know that this is President's Cup? Is that what it is? President?
Presidents are at the President's Cup. I don't really know

(42:42):
what the President's cup is. I think I know what
it is, um and like, look, I know there's gonna
be somebody's like, Gottlieb, you're supposed to be sports guys,
supposed to know what the President's cup is. Like, okay,
maybe I'm supposed to uh brahmost without sharing what the
president Cup is. Do you know what the President's Cup is? Yes? Okay? Uh?

(43:05):
What about you Ryan Music? I do you do? Yes? Okay? Uh?
What I'm going to share with you? Do you want
to know how? Both? Do you want to know how? Both?
Ramas and I know? Yeah? Actually, was it tuesday or
was it yesterday? We actually talked to Dan Buyer, very
much dedicated golfer and golf fan and follows the close sports,

(43:30):
follows the sport closely, and we talked to him about it.
I think it was yesterday, and he explained the whole
thing to us. That's the only reason why we know.
Here's what I think it is. Okay. I think it's
basically like the Ryder Cup, only you take out Europe. Right.
It's like it's like it's like us versus everybody, only
everybody does not actually include Europe. That is correct? You

(43:52):
got it? Thing? Go um? And I believe this one
is in New York or New Jersey. It's jury it's
in that Jersey city. It's at um I'm looking at
I know this golf course. Oh man, I think it's
I think they call it Liberty National now is what
it's actually called. And it's like a Lynxy style course
that overlooks New York City. It's really really cool. Um

(44:17):
and uh okay, so I saw that there's a there's
you know, all three living former presidents are at the
President's Cup. Ironically enough, the president we have, who love
plays more golf than all three of them combined while
in office, ain't there. But it's us versus everybody, which

(44:39):
I kind of like, it's kind of like except everybody
does not include Europe. And this is it's kind of
a newer thing too. More's the Brider Cup has been
going on longer. I think it's started like in the
mid nineties. I'm gonna say, um, anyway, us versus R buddy,
her buddy. You know, golf is tried to evolve. They

(45:01):
have the FedEx Cup. Do you guys remember who won
the FedEx Cup? Happened this past Sunday. Do you know
who I go for music? Wasn't it justin Thomas? It
was justin Thomas. FedEx Cup is ten million dollars. That's
a lot of shekels. That's a lot of checks. Now, actually,
is that ten million dollars for being the final winner

(45:22):
or is that what the total purses after what he
won for each of the tournament. No, he won ten
million dollars, so he got his what each tournament he
got plus just like here's the ten million dollar check.
That's a that's a great pay there right there. Yep, yep,
that's good. That's good. That's good. That's a good one
right there. Well, you know it's only five million after Texas,

(45:43):
it's five million dollars, five million that he didn't have previously. Um,
but the FedEx Cup was Golf's attempt to evolve, and like, look,
NASCAR has tried this to NASCAR is still going on
to isn't it. NASCAR's guy was like, hey, we gotta
wrap this up, fellas. And and what they've tried to

(46:04):
do is like, look, let's try and have playoffs. Playoffs
are more exciting. Playoffs are exciting, and the big the
idea behind it is a good one. Now they've always had.
They used to have the Winston Cup. Remember it used
to be the Winston Cup in NASCAR cigarettes, right, yeah,
Winston cigarettes. Yeah. Um. And then you know, now of

(46:30):
course that's with the Sprint Cup. But the the idea
was so then they had the chase for the Cup,
Chase for the Cup, and that was you know, I
think the last ten races, the top ten in the
standings are the only ones really really eligible. So the
playoffs are going even though everybody gets the play it's

(46:52):
a different way of doing instead of just having ten
race cars there, you know, instead of just having one
race with ten cars on it, they still had ten
races and whoever won the most or scored the most
points out of those ten. But I don't know, outside
of Jimmy Johnson winning what like seven in a row,
I don't know anybody who's like a normal sports fan

(47:13):
who can go like, oh yeah, I know all the
standings for the Sprint Cup and outside of whoever wins
it most recently, can anybody name for me others who
have won the FedEx Cup and golf. But what they're
trying to do is they're trying to kind of evolve
right there, trying to draw more interest. So sometimes you

(47:36):
do it with your playoff format. That's what happened with baseball.
Baseball involved with their playoff format. They like, first they
had the wild card that worked out, and they're like, well,
this wild card ends up winning the World Series far
too often. Let's let's make it harder for the wild
card winner. Let's have them play a wild card play
in game, have two wild card team space. That way,
when that wild card team gets to the actual DS,

(47:58):
they lose the are ace. They're aces ability to start
multiple times. You gotta start your second best start. Like
screws you all up. This year, they could have kind
of the all time backfire where you have, say the
Arizona Diamondbacks advanced to the playoffs, they have to play

(48:19):
the probably the Colorado Rockies right probably have to play
the Rockies in order for the right to play in
the DS, even though they could win more games than
the Chicago Cubs, so they get penalized because they're just
in a different division than the Cubs. Comes, by the way,
clinched the and EL Central last night with a win
dominating win over the St. Louis Cardinals. But then there's

(48:43):
in sports evolution like football is clearly evolved, and they've
done so because of the rules. Once they change the rules,
you can't hit the quarterback below the knee, above the neck.
You can't, as we heard from Mike Prayer, drive the
guy into the ground wide Receivers can't touch him after
five yards all the rules pick plays are rarely called.

(49:04):
The idea is to create more offense, and teams have
responded in kind, why would I run the football? Where
down my uh? Where down my running back? And oh yeah,
by the way, the rules inside the tackles haven't changed
as opposed to throwing it where he can't really touch
anybody coming. Becomes a much more finesse game, much more
skill game. All the rules benefit offenses, and offenses have

(49:27):
changed become instead of fifty fifty more or maybe even
more in terms of throwing the football right and b
a offensive change because of analytics to where they're shooting
more threes, especially the use of the corner three, the
stretch forward, now the stretch five. We've seen that major
League Baseball this year has evolved. If you haven't been
paying attention batting averages, down, home runs up um and

(49:53):
they're all talking about the launch angle right, in other words,
yours that you want to get your uh, your back
shoulder lower than your top shoulder, so as you swing,
there's kind of a natural upward trajectory. You're not looping
your swing Dave Kingman styles, there's a whole in it.
You're simply chitting middle to lower half as opposed to

(50:15):
middle to upper half. Driving. The ball line drives hard,
stinging ground balls, strikeouts are up, batting average down, home
runs are up. The evolution of baseball and baseball has
evolved also in terms of the youth of the game.
When they took steroids and p d s out of
baseball players that were in their mid thirties, this is

(50:40):
what happened to the Yankees. The Yankees had all these
old players on old, bad contracts, and the guys were
on steroids anymore, and so suddenly they couldn't catch up
to fastballs. Where instead of paying guys a hundred fifty
two hundred million dollars, you're better off having as many
quality players under club control as possible. The younger means

(51:00):
they play better late in the season, plus they cost
you less money, and then sprinkle in free agent talent.
I think the process of college basketball's evolution has already
been underway since the one and done role hit full
hit full steam. Look at who's won the last couple
of national titles or even competed for the last couple

(51:21):
of national titles. The North Carolina team that won a
national championship had one draft pick on it, maybe two
right two guys, but they went one McDonald's American. Is
that it? The difference was they had upper classmen. Gonzaga

(51:43):
upper classman older players, with the exception obviously of Zach Collins,
who was a one and done their first ever one
and done. It doesn't mean you don't want a kid
who's going to be an NBA player. Look at Villanova.
Villanova had number one recruiting class the past, but when
they bottomed out in two thousand thirteen, they did so

(52:04):
because of that top or dream classroom, too young, too arrogant,
and couldn't compete in the old Big East. You win
with older players, you win with transfers, You win with
program guys, grown men as opposed to kids. And now
with the most recent recruiting scandal to which everybody seems
to be on edge over did our assistant take money?

(52:26):
Did a shoe company help pay a kid to come here?
Whatever is going on? I think the evolution in the
college game will continue to which you're going to see
more and more of the high level programs play it safe.
Don't get me wrong, Duke can still get the best kids.

(52:49):
Duke can have the best of both worlds, some four
year players, some three year players from one and done.
But look at Kansas. Kansas has six players on their
roster who started their career somewhere else. Six And why
would you if your Kansas, why would you do that? Well,
because you don't have to cheat for transfers, you know,

(53:10):
there's no because it transfers is much like marrying a
marrying a woman who has already been married, right, already
had like she's already been through. She didn't need not
It's not about the ring, it's not about the glamorous wedding, Like,
let's just get go down to justice of the piece.
We just need to be together, right. Transfers are where

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it's at because they've already been taught how to play.
They've left because they've either succeeded at a lower level
or failed at a high level and need the perfect fit.
And really it's hard to transfer twice, and so they
appreciate the benefits of playing in college. They're older, they
sit out for a year, they get more refined, they

(53:53):
buy into your program, buying your system. They've been without
basketball for a year. Transfers are a great vehicle for
the top level a top level programs now recruiting transfers.
So I think, if anything, you're gonna watch the evolution
of the college basketball game where coaches will pass on

(54:13):
the ability to get kids that have the desire to
be one and done. They want guys whore gonna stay
for a couple of years. They want guys they're gonna
build their bodies. They want guys are gonna make shots
and hang out for a while, even if their top
end talent is not as good as a player who
might have his hand out. And the easy argument now

(54:35):
for a college assistant coaches, Hey, man, before if I
gave you something, I might have to listen to. The
n c A might come after me. Now what if
the FBI comes after me. I'm not going to jail
for you, all right, We'll turn to the NFL up
coming next, former Hall of Famer, not former Hall of Famers,
always all fer Jack young Blood joins the show. Um,

(54:58):
I wonder what old ray M's thought of hiring the
youngest head coach in the National Football League, how that
would work out. We're now three weeks in. They've played
a soft schedule, so we don't totally know, but we
have a pretty good feel. What does he think of
Jared Goff, what does he think of the Rams, and
what is the likelihood that they win the Battle of
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(56:31):
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say last Thursday was a pleasant surprise. Right, you're like, ah,
there's a name football as seeing this show. Not that
into it, not that into it? And then he turned
on like Rams Niners West Coast five thirty stadium a
quarter to a third full to start the game. But

(57:14):
then all of a sudden, both teams started playing, points
were scored, stadium started filling up, and it became really
really exciting, really exciting. Jared Goff probably stole the day
and the Rams got a much needed win on the
road against the arrival to San Francisco forty Niners. But
it's at some point it's it's hard to tell. I know,

(57:35):
there's power rankings all the time. Everybody's had power rankings.
How many teams are two and one in the season
promost without looking take a guess how many teams do
you think? There's thirty two NFL teams? There's seven, there's two, seven,
sevens the guests, there's two three and oh teams? Okay,

(57:56):
Ryan Music, without looking how many who and one teams
are there? I'm gonna go with nineteen fourteen, fifteen sixteen,
there's sixteen two and one teams? Wow? Count for McKay, Rams, Panthers.
That's two Packers, three Lions, four Vikings, five, Skins, Cowboys,

(58:18):
Eagles eight. Correct, we're at eight, Raiders, Broncos, we're at ten, Jaguars, Titans.
What are we at now? Twelve? Okay, Ravens, Steelers or
team Patriots, Buffalo Bills? How have we got sixteen? So

(58:38):
sixteen teams? Like, wow, there's a lot, but they're starting
two teams, so you know most teams end up being
about in the middle anyway, Right, Okay, but what do
we make of the Rams? Jack young Blood, of course,
hall of famer, famous famous Ram joined us on the
Doug Gottlie Show. It's really really hard to tell because
the Rams, as much as they were bad last year,

(59:00):
they were expected to be good. Uh this year, I
think they're pretty good. But they played the Colts, who
they were all beat up and banged up in terrible
opening night. And then they beat the Niners, who nobody
thinks is particularly good. They probably should have beat the
Redskins at the Coliseum. But none of these teams are
one to which you measure yourself against. They played the
Cowboys this week, so maybe we've But Jack, you tell

(59:21):
me you know this team, You've seen this organization. What
do you think of the ram so far? Well, they're better.
Put it that the way, they're better than they were
last year. I liked what I saw at the at
the opener Um Golf Golf showed me, uh a lot
more than what he was he was playing like in

(59:44):
last year. Um. And their defense is still still playing good.
I tell you that last play that that Donald reminded
me of Larry Brooks, remember that name. He was my
wingman there in on the defensive line. And I mean
just one spectacular play there. Now Aaron Donald. By the way,

(01:00:07):
John Ramos wants to get Ramos Ramos, you remember I
remember Larry Brooks. Yeah, Fred Dryer, Jack young led tough
guys up front. Jack young Blood joining us on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. Okay, so how much of this is
Goff's improvement and how much of it is Hey, they
went out and got Sammy Watkins and Robert Robert Woods
girly another year in the pros. They put a good

(01:00:28):
offensive like how much of it is him? And how
much of it is they've kind of shielded him with
more talent and better coaching and and play calling. Yeah,
you gotta, you gotta, you gotta put that in there too.
I mean called the plays that he can that he
can make. He can use that big strong arm, the
big body and uh, and he can make those plays.

(01:00:49):
And it's looked awfully well. When Gurley was had some
had some daylight in front of you. That was that.
That was big time stuff. Jack young Buck joining us
on the Dug Gott lip Show. Um, is this week
a fair litmus test? Like now we're in terms of
the legitimacy of playoff hopes? Do you rest them all?

(01:01:10):
It is on the road, it is against the Cowboys, um,
And the Cowboys were impressive, especially defensively getting after Carson
Palmer over the weekend. But is it fair to lump
in all the expectations into this week? Yeah, you know,
it's still early, UM, and and so many players are

(01:01:30):
just now getting into shape so they can play and
play for sixty minutes and or sixty plays whatever whatever
it takes to to to finish the ballgame and win. UM. Yeah,
I think it's a little early to to put too
much on the on the expectations. But I but I
think they've got a chance to, you know, play well
against UM. I guess a really good offensive Dallas football team. Yeah,

(01:01:56):
Dallas kind of old school runs the football makes you
bring eight into the box and then they find an opening.
Jack Young Bug, our guest on the Doug Gottlip Show.
You mentioned Aaron We talked about Aaron Donald. The team
did not relent as as as they went into you know,
the contract with the contract standoff. UM. Is that the
best way to proceed for a for a team who
might have the best some think he's the best defensive

(01:02:18):
player in football, Is that the best way to proceed? Well,
you know, there's there's rules that that you try to
go by, UM for your for your entire football team,
and he was trying to push it a little too far.
I think Um deserved every penny of what he's getting

(01:02:40):
because he is one of the best that's in the
in the business right now. And um, but he's still
young and he's got a long ways to go. I
think he's got a great future, you know, ahead of it. Okay,
So the Rams are six point dogs at Dallas, six
point dogs against Dallas Cowboys. Rams had an extra couple
of days to rest and to prepare calvoy Bays. Kind

(01:03:00):
of a shortened week, kind of hybrid beak playing on
the road, playing late at night on Sunday night. Who
do you like with the number? Well, I'm gonna take
my my guys. I'm gonna I'm gonna go with my guys.
I get six. Um, I think you you you gotta.
You gotta look at the defense and if they can
stop that running game that Dallas has and force them

(01:03:22):
into into into throwing it down the field. Um, I
think we've gotta We've got a chance to at least
cover the number. I don't think there's any question about it.
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Jack young Blood joining us, uh, joining us on behalf
of of my Bookie. When you've played, were you aware
of the line? Like I? When I played college basketball,
coach used to you, guys are seven boy, you're not
that good? Uh? Are you guys aware of the lines
when you played? Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, we we we

(01:04:04):
kept track of that. There was a little stuff going
on and in the locker room between the players and
and and some of the you know, some of the
personnel there. It was always funny. It was just but
it was It wasn't it was likely. It was just fun.
It wasn't about gambling. It was about you know, yacting

(01:04:25):
with each other in the locker room. Something to talk about.
You've seen some of these protests. What's your reaction to
what's happening? Get me started? Don't get me started on that.
I could, I could spend a while. We'd have to
go into commercial before before I They are these these
poor children are are misguided and they need to they

(01:04:49):
need to stop, take a deep breath and think about
what they're doing and and and realized that this is
not your house. This is the busch Man's house, and
he doesn't want you to embarrass him in front of
the country. But now some of these owners have come

(01:05:12):
and locked arm with players, and and and and yield. Well,
the national anthem is being played. Yeah, I've got a
little issue with the way they did that, because yeah,
in no, in no way should anyone disrespect our country
and our flag. We're the greatest nation that God has

(01:05:33):
ever made on this world. You don't really disrespect that.
I would say this, Jack. Look, I'm I personally would
always stand when the when the national anthem is being played.
I've lived, I've played professional basketball overseas, so I do. Look,
I agree with you, but part of what makes us
the best country is we're supposed to have the ability

(01:05:53):
to express ourselves. And if we don't like the progress
of our country, um like, Look, I get it. I
understand that it's disrespectful, but it's kind of intentionally disrespectful
to bring attention to a problem. Shouldn't that shouldn't grown
men NFL players be allowed to express Uh, there are
issues there, issues socially, especially when it doesn't actually affect

(01:06:15):
the gameplay. No question, they have the right to do that,
but not in that forum, not in that stadium. That's
the wrong place to do that. But but where where
would they Like I've I've heard people say like, oh,
you should call press conference, Like why would anybody go
to a press conference? Well, we have your attention. It

(01:06:36):
draws attentional problem, like look, should there be a next step?
And it's okay, you your brew it, We got you
got our attention. Now what I understand all that, But
the idea that that's not the place. Where is the place?
Where's the places? It's wherever you want to do it,
off the field, out of the out of the stadium,
out of out of the the spotlight of the camera

(01:06:59):
on the NFL. That's not where you do it. Jack.
I appreciate you expressing your opinion, and remember Jack coming
to us on the on behalf of my bookie dot com. Jack,
thanks so much for being our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
My pleasure, my pleasure anytime pleasure is mind like, Look,
this is it's really important to remember. And if there's

(01:07:19):
somebody who's gonna like tweet at me like a Jack
gungbudd Old, like, well, dude, listen, there's a good portion
of the country that agrees with Jack Young Bud. They
they may not be on Twitter and they may not
shout as as loud as others. And you know, you
don't have to associate necessarily what with the president saying
s O B you know those s O B s

(01:07:40):
with what Jack said. He's like, look, you're allowed to
do that, just not in a football field, and that's
that's not It's within your rights, but it's not within
your rights as an NFL player. I just I think
that sometimes we lose track of You can think that
the stance of the President United States is crazy, but

(01:08:05):
it was sixty one million people voted for him, right,
And like, look, I don't like the language. I don't
like the name calling. I don't even like name calling.
And I don't like when you're calling people, uh the
different conservative and liberal. Like I just don't like labeling
people in name calling. But there's a good amount of
people in the country and I don't know if it's

(01:08:25):
fifty fifty, I don't know if it's whatever it is.
They're like, hey, national anthem's played, take your hat off,
stand up and don't say anything out of out of
respect for the fact we do have all these rights.
This is the one time we actually ask you to
do it. It is a conversation to be had. There

(01:08:48):
are people that actually think that and jack you about
a Hall of Fame player and a great player with
the l A. Rams is among them. Should Odell Beckham Jr.
Be one of the highest paid players in the NFL.
We'll discuss after we find out what else going on
with Steve to say, hey, you're talking golf earlier. Actually
have a quick golf update. The Americans at the President's
Cup have taken the first match of the day to

(01:09:08):
finish Justin Thomas and Ricky Fowler and easy win at
six and four. Four other foursomes are on the back
nine in New Jersey right now. As far as the NFL,
tonight at Chicago at Green Bay, Eastern Packers defensive lineman
Mike Daniels with a hip injury as a game time decision.
Vikings quarterback Sam Bradford missed another practice today sorene and

(01:09:29):
he'll be out again Sunday. Case Keenum will start for
Minnesota against Detroit. The Dolphins. A running back Jay a
Giant's had a bad knee. We'll be ready to play
Sunday in London. But running back Adrian Peterson of the
Saints miss practice overseas today, resting Peterson, according to NFL
network tweaked isn't he a bit in practice yesterday. Chargers
running back Melvin Gordon, who has had a bad knee,

(01:09:49):
will play Sunday against the Eagles. He missed part of
last week's loss in l A. The Bengals activated linebacker
vontez Perfect after a three game suspension. Colts defensive back
Vonte dave This will debut this week, as will Texans
wide receiver Will Fuller coming back from injury. In baseball
Cleveland when it's one hundredth game of the season five
to today over Minnesota, Carlos Carrasco got the win. He's

(01:10:11):
eighteen and six. He went eight in the third scoreless
innings with fourteen strikeouts. Cincinnati at Milwaukee scoreless in the
top of the second. Everything else from those who are
playing is coming up tonight. That includes Boston and Yankees,
each with home games. Season ends on Sunday. The Red
Sox are first in the AL East, Magic numbers two
to clinch that division. Lebron James missed Cavs practice today

(01:10:33):
after rolling his ankle in last night's practice back to you,
um music, national anthem. Place, you're on a field, you're
you know from people don't know ryme mus to play
volleyball in in college. Um, so let's say you're playing
in a volleyball tournament in Manhattan Beach this weekend. National
anthem plays you stand up yes always yeah, ramos yes

(01:11:01):
do you do you vary? No? No, I've always stand
for that chalance. And I always take off my hat.
I do too, and put my hand. I do think
it's it's interesting to take off your head. Thing is interesting, right,
It's like, um, George Carlin, it's it's kind of like,
what are you gonna say, George? George Carlin did that
bit where he explained he goes, isn't it weird? What

(01:11:22):
is it about, um, the uncovered head that we associate
with respect towards the flag? Uh? Well, there's there's a
certain religious aspect to it, actually, right, Um, Like Jewish people,
you you wear a keeper, you cover your you cover
your head when you're when you're praying. But it's when
you know, normally, when you walk into church, it's it's

(01:11:43):
a it's a move out of respect. That's that's what
it is. And I do think it's important to point
out that while it's deemed disrespectful to kneel before, my
wife and I had a fan fascinating discussion on this
fascinating discussion on this last night. I've been married for
seventeen years and been uh with my wife. Our relationship

(01:12:08):
is less than nineteen years, and for the first eighteen
years of our relationship, I could not get her to
be involved in interested in any way about politics, in
any way about polic She's like, I don't want to talk.
I just it always starts an argument, like, well, what
if we agree on things? Don't want to talk like
I could not. I can't watch it on TV. I

(01:12:29):
don't want to talk about it. I've always watched political debates,
always been fascinated by the by the political landscape. It's
just it's interesting to me. I'm like a wanna be
polycide major, right, like I think the easy way out.
I did marketing, a lot of theory, right, a lot
of oral presentations, awesome major at the Spirit School of Business.
But I've always wanted like I like, I like like

(01:12:50):
the police. I thing she couldn't do this time. Oh,
she's she's woke as they say, right, She's like, I
can't believe this, and I can't believe add and this
is I'm not suddenly I become like the hey easy
like stay out of Facebook, stay of of Twitter. It's
never as bad or as good as you would think. Um,

(01:13:16):
but there's a lot of this stuff that really really
bothers her. And so so we were talking about we
were talking about um, Donald Trump and what he said,
and he said the NFL's business is gonna fail. So
she's asking me about it. I'm giving my kind of perspective,
and my perspective is, like, I do think the NFL's
business has peaked. I don't think it's a crazy prediction

(01:13:41):
to make. I think expanding two teams in l A
is a mistake. I think the Vegas thing is gonna hit.
I think that will be a wild success with the
Raiders like who like no, very few people like go
do a road game, would go to a road game
with their NFL team. But if you said, hey, our
team is playing in Vegas this weekend, I'll do that. Right.

(01:14:01):
Vegas is always need a football stadium, world class one.
They'll get one. Like, I think that'll hit. But the
two teams in l A, even with the new stadium
in three years, like that feels kind of greedy, and
it feels like you're gonna you're gonna end up leaving
scorned fan bases behind. They're out of San Francisco and
they're in San Jose, They're not in saning. They're gonna
have no team in San Francisco, no team in Oakland,

(01:14:22):
no team in San Diego. Like that's not gonna And
the people in l A are like, I don't really care,
Like that's a weird place to be. They're out pricing.
There are many of their fans in terms of what
it costs to get a ticket, like it's crazy expensive.

(01:14:43):
So while people will still pay money to get red
Zone or two big TVs and watch it at home,
like I do think they'll have it, they continue to
have attendance problems. So we started talking about the problems
of business. So I said, hey, listen, let me just
ask you something. What do you think about guys not
standing for and nash Lanthem? And she said, like this
was very rarely. I don't know Ramo's You've been with

(01:15:06):
your wife for eighteen years, right, We've been mary for
eight team in together, like twenty tours, right, Like, so,
do you guys have TV in the bedroom. No, you
don't do the TV in the bedroom, smart man. We
do TV in the bedroom whenever. We always like so
usually like when I'm home, I get the kids to bed,
you know, and she's like, I'm done. She opens up

(01:15:27):
her phone, starts reading news. She's got like TV on,
or she's reading a book whatever, and small talk and
then good night, go to sleep, or like we watched
TV and then go to sleep, Like I wish it
was something like super romantic. She's got a glass of wine.
I got a glass of wine and music. We dance
around like whatever, like yeah, not really the realities of
seventeen years of marriage, like you're good, Yeah, I'm good,

(01:15:48):
all right, see tomorrow. Right, that's really kind of what
it is. So she said, hey, uh, I would always
stand um. You know, maybe it's I I'm raised maybe
so I don't think things are bad, Like I'm not black,
so maybe I don't see it or feel it like

(01:16:09):
some black people feel it. But I do think it's
different to neil than it is to sit. It's it's
less disrespectful to kneel on one knee and look, you
know than it is to sit. Sitting is sitting is
like come on you like now you're now you're just
being an ass. And I have a tendency to agree.

(01:16:29):
Um my kids, my own children will always stand. And
I actually think that that is the lesson to teach.
That's how I would I teach my kids, Like, even
when you're really bothered by something our country does, the
one thing is, hey, that flag has stood for over
two hundred years and stood for the right things, you

(01:16:50):
stand for it even if you completely disagree with something
going on our country. That that's my belief. But I
I at when Kaepernick first did it, I understood my
problem with Kaepernick doing it was I didn't think he
was really equipped and I thought he got way off

(01:17:11):
message and he started to get into these cops or
murderers wearing the cops pig socks, like dude, you're you're
not the you're you shouldn't be the spokesman for this
movement and kind of proof positive though he's really he's
donated a lot of money and done some very good
works through this movement. He's not a spokesman. He's not

(01:17:32):
a kind of natural leader for it. So it's kind
of a leader list movement, even though he is the
de facto leader of it. But but there is a
discussion to be had on all these things, and what
seems very obvious is both sides continue to try and
push us apart where we have less discussion about what

(01:17:55):
the actual protest is over. Instead it's hey, you should
do this, or hey I'm not gonna do it just
because you said I shouldn't do it. How much better
are the calves with Dwayne Wade? Shannon Sharp thinks, well,
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she's like, I just FeelA sound sexy in the ship.

(01:18:38):
She wipes out, Oh my god, I'm gonna tweet it down.
It's amazing. Oh my god, it's amazing. I'm gonna gonna
tweet this thing out in the meantime and now, uh,
Shannon Sharp was on the on on undisputed. It's not
the end disputed, undisputed. Earlier today, you can hear it

(01:18:58):
on Serious Sex and Channel three, one of the shows
that proceeds ours. Take a listen to what he says
about Dwayne Wade joining the Calves. This is gonna be
good for Lebron. He gonna have some fun. It's nice
to have people that that you know, respect, you know what,
you can count on them in the clubs. He's not
getting the two thousand and ten when he first went
to Miami the Wade. He understands that the Wade is

(01:19:21):
not gonna practice every day. He played sixty games last year.
He'll probably play somewhere around that this year. Uh, somewhere
between twenty five and thirty minutes. That's where he is.
But for the money that they paid to get him
and the count of player that he is, he can help.
And so guess what that means. Skill. Lebron is not
going to not one, not two, not three, not four,

(01:19:44):
not five. He going to a straight five second. They're
gonna see the Warriors again, and this time the outcome
is gonna be different. Okay, um, I don't know like
the the idea that well Dwyane Wade is a winner. Right,
this is this is like the Tim Tebow argument, isn't it. Uh,

(01:20:05):
Tim Tebow is a winner. He's just gonna find a
way to get it done. Like, look, Dwyane Wade wasn't
They paid him to not play anymore? Right, They're like,
here's a bunch of money, please don't play for us anymore.
That's that's what they did. In the playoffs last year
against the Boston Celtics, he shot thirty eight percent from

(01:20:26):
the floor, thirty three from three. He averaged fifteen point
eight points a game in the playoffs. In the regular season,
he did shoot well from three point range. You go
back to the Miami Heat, he went a month and
a half without making a three point shot. Uh. Late
in his last year with with the Heat, he struggles
with he struggled with the three A bunch yes, go ahead,
right music well, And I also find it interesting that

(01:20:47):
wasn't part of the reason why he left the Heat
was to join the Calves and surround himself with the
younger talent. And that was like three or four years ago,
and now bringing in Dwayne Wade somehow got younger. Over
the course of getting older, look, I like Dwyane Wade,
but he shot forty three last year from the field.
That's the lowest he shot during his career. His three

(01:21:08):
point numbers did peak, did did jump up? Okay, but
he shot more threes, he made more of him, but
he shot he had worse field goal percentage. He's he's
not a shell of the player he used to be,
but he's definitely and remember we're talking about now when
by the time he's will essentially thirty six by the

(01:21:29):
time he's playing in the playoffs, and he'll have to
take on a role that he's not familiar with. That
was the big reason that Chicago wanted to move off
of Dwyane Wade. They're rebuilding, and you one would think
if you're rebuilding, you'd want a veteran to be a leader,
but he'd also have to maybe not start in Dwyane way.
He's like, no, I've always been Dwyane Wade. So how

(01:21:50):
does he handle Even last year he took sixteen shots
a game, Like, he ain't getting sixteen shots a game
with that team. If Dwyane Wade is getting sixteen shots
a game, that's not a good thing for the Cavaliers.
There's a lot of pieces there that are good pieces.
Dwyane Wade still a good piece. Isaiah tom Is still
a good piece when he's healthy. Jerry Smiths a decent piece.

(01:22:11):
Kyl Korver is a good piece. They can't all play
at the same time. So does it give you better depth? Okay?
But is Dwyane Wade willing to be depth? To be determined?
And wasn't it pat Riley the one who sort of
created that like championship culture, and like that's who Lebron

(01:22:32):
learned from. Now. I mean I would also say, like, look,
Dwyane Wade won a title. Uh previous to that, Um,
you know, he had previously won a title. Dan Buyers
just walked in with a bunch of food. Dan Buyer
is co hosting Steve Gorman Sports Today, Sports with a
bunch of food. And that's what the Fox said. Yeah,

(01:22:55):
I mean, look, we talked about this little yesterday. Um.
Older pieces are also more likely to break down. Even
really nice cars they get over a hundred thousand miles,
they're more likely to breakdown. That's why there there are
limits to you know, It's like the best made cars
they got a hundred thousand mile warranty. Well, and why
do they I picked a hundred thousand miles? What do

(01:23:16):
you think? Right? They just kind of picked the numbers.
Pick the number like, oh, it's a good round number.
Like it is a good round number. And your car
is more likely to break down? Um, Dwyane Wade is
thirty five years old, he'll be thirty six years old
when the playoffs come around. He's more likely to break down.
It's really hard to adjust from being an alpha to
being a beta or maybe even a delta in terms

(01:23:39):
of the pecking order. And I don't think it changes
all that much. Still have Isaiah Thomas. How does he
handle being a point guard? He can only guard one position.
I think defense is an issue. Rebounding is an issue,
three point shootings an issue. Isaiah still hurt. So I
could be together until Jane worry a lot a lot

(01:24:01):
to it I mentioned earlier, and I want to get
to it next. The Giants are gonna pay Odell Beckham
a bunch of money. Don't believe me? Listen to their
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Getting close, Getting close
to Major League Baseball playoffs. Stars next week, right next week,
we're gonna have those wild card playing games just here

(01:24:44):
where on this year's show. We don't believe you're in
the playoffs until you're in the playoffs. That is that
those are the playing games. Our cards do not count,
what wild cards do not count unless you win the
wild card game. I didn't say it's I didn't make
up the rule in terms of who gets in or
how they get in the playoffs, but that those aren't

(01:25:05):
playoffs is a plural word. That is a play into
the playoffs, period stop, end of story. And I cannot
think of a bigger a a bigger deal for Major
League Baseball than getting the Yankees into the playoffs and
out of the play in game. And look, it's big
for Fox Sports one. Fox Sports one has the American

(01:25:28):
League Baseball Playoffs. Would you rather have the Twins won?
Or would you rather have the Yankers? Oh? The Yankers
at twenty seven World Series? Titles like I don't even like,
I like, I have a friend of the Yankees, But
it ain't close, right, it ain't close? Um Urban Santana,

(01:25:54):
And then who will go for the Yankees? Sorvina we
go or will be c C. Sabathia. But the Indians
won their one hundred game. Of course, the Dodgers have
a hundred two wins and look look to secure home
field advantaged about remember this is the first year. There
are things that like, we're all like baseball fansies, like,

(01:26:15):
oh yeah, Astros are in the American League. That one's
kind of hard to remember. It just is and they
have Justin Verlander, um Astro's two back of the Indians
still for a home fielding the American League. But you
have to remember the Astros American League and Astro's Justin Verlander.

(01:26:37):
You also have to remember that Cubs are the hottest
team in the National League Nationals. Getting healthy Major League
baseball players can be awesome, awesome, awesome. Also, you know
you can you can read into guys comments pretty well.
Some of it is position based, some of it is

(01:27:02):
contract based, some of it is aged base. But the
New York Giants who apparently are upset with Odell Beckham,
and like I I think it's reasonable to be upset
over like what is the we talked about this Monday?
That was just a dumb It's a dumb celebration. There's

(01:27:22):
a million things you could do if you score a touchdown,
pretending like you're a dog peeing on the back on
the ball. It's just dumb, Like I don't think he
got a penalty because of any other reason, Like that's dumb.
Here's the flag at the end of the play, personal
fowl offense, stupid celebration. Fifteen yards that will be assessed

(01:27:45):
in the kickoff touchdown right like that, that's essentially the
call poor display or assessment of the entertainment value of
peeing on a football. Thirteen giants fifteen yards be assessed

(01:28:06):
in the kickoff. I thought this was interesting. From from
Albert Brier of the MMQB on Tuesday. I had a
conversation with the scout who was assigned to l s
U in two thousands four team when Odell Beckham was
coming out. Quote, he wasn't like this. He was a
typical wide receiver. He liked attention, wanted the ball dressed,
flash he liked to be at the club, like having

(01:28:27):
people around him. But when it came to football, wasn't
like this. This has developed. It's interesting. He had Jarvis
Landry with him at l s U. And Jarvis was
the ultimate alpha dog. Odell was the uber talented athlete.
Jarvis was the dog, and I think having a guy
in the receiver room in the same classes him it
kept him hungry knowing where to draw the line because

(01:28:47):
he knew if he didn't, he might not be the
best receiver on his own team. I also asked the
scout what he'd do if he were the Giants. In
his response, UH was that unless there's real growth, would
he let Beckham walk? Okay, he'd let Beckham walk. The
reason his message there is basically on the best team
player on your team. If you don't let me act

(01:29:09):
this way, watch out. Um. Beckham of course, was flippant
with the boat controversy in January. Pay him and as
a as a team, you're implicitly rubber stamping the behavior
and it becomes part of who you are as a team.
Here was his head coach in reaction to his celebration.

(01:29:35):
We should be focused on the way he plays the game.
He made two of the finest players you've ever seen
in pro football since I've been in the league, and
those are getting overshadowed. It's unfortunate, it's it's unfortunate. I
guess part of the problem there with Ben McAdoo is
when he says it's unfortunate. Is it unfortunate because we're

(01:29:55):
focusing on it? Or is unfold Is it unfortunate because
what he did caused us to focus on it? Right? Like,
I'm with you. He made a couple of great plays,
But how can we not focus on that? That's that's
the problem with the touchdown celebration is the touchdown celebration

(01:30:16):
always takes away from the touchdown. It just does, absolutely does.
The question of do you let him walk is interesting.
There's the other question of you could also trade him
if you don't want to do something. My thing is

(01:30:37):
quite different. I think the Giants being bad helps the
Giant's ability to control it. Right, he's under contract. You're
gonna give him. If you're gonna keep him, you're gonna
give him the biggest contract anybody has ever seen for
a wide receiver, is the guess. Now, you can also
by the way franchise tech, he ain't going anywhere. It's

(01:31:00):
the NFL. Guys don't just walk away from They can't
walk away from franchise tenders. They just can't. The Giants
take on the Tampa Buccaneers this weekend. If you go
to owen four, if he continues to act this way,
you can also not throw him the ball, or you
could not play him. They're like, well, you're doing so
to the detriment of your team. Okay, Like daily lose

(01:31:24):
this weekend, they still got to go to Denver take
on the Broncos. So they gotta go to Oakland take
on the Raiders. Like strong likelihood they lose seven to
eight games minimum. Once you start owing four on the season,
that this is not the type of team that's gonna
run off a bunch of wins. You can also just

(01:31:46):
not play him. That actually is an option. But the
Giant's inability to control this situation as he has this
is learned in the behavior Allowed behavior. It ain't any
different than when you're raising a kid and you're like, well,

(01:32:06):
you're treat you're talking about Odell Beckham Jr. Like he's
a child. He's behaving like a child, a petulant one
at that Ramas you know, I coached my son's baseball team,
and of course I do go to my son's I
don't coach him this year in basket I haven't coached
me at the year in basketball and travel basketball. I'll
probably coach him when it's the third grades. He's playing

(01:32:26):
third and fourth grade. He's in third grade. But I
only get onto him about his attitude. The only thing
I get onto him. You know, when he when he
was pitching this past weekend and he thought he threw
a strike and it wasn't a strike, and he gives
a look to the umpire, I was like, no, dude,
we're not doing that. Just pitch, just play. When a

(01:32:48):
teammate messes up, he doesn't blame anybody else. He doesn't
point any any fingers about it, doesn't do any of
that stuff. And the Giants haven't been able to correct him,
haven't been able to control him, haven't found any sort
of mentor that he listens to on this football team.
And if Brandon Marshall is supposed to be that guy,

(01:33:09):
well he ain't doing a good enough job. But do
I let him walk? Now? I mean, this is just
this is kind of wide receiver one oh one right
wide receivers act out. Coaches seem to be bothered by it,
fans are bothered by it. But you know what, you
catch a cup more touchdown passes and we let it pass.

(01:33:31):
I just thought it was a stupid celebration, that's all.
And I wish they would have given him. I wish
they would have given him a flag for a stupid celebration. Yes, music,
What about did you see on Twitter? Someone had put
out there like, hey, does anyone think that perhaps Odell's
celebration had anything to do with his response to being called,

(01:33:53):
you know, the by the President of the United States,
um are all nfls? And then he responded to that
tweet like, oh can congratulations? You know, someone finally figured
it out. That's all just paraphrasing. It's not actually what
he said, but that idea. I just think if that's
actually the case, if that's what a celebration was, then
why didn't he say that in the postcame because it
wasn't the case. So you don't think that that was

(01:34:15):
it at all. I thought he thought it was being funny.
I'm a dog dogs pond things, ah like. I just
think it was one of those things that you thought
was funny and it fell flat, which, by the way,
you could have said afterwards as well, Right, I thought
it was funny like that, That's what happened with me
with the white man's perspective thing, Like I thought would

(01:34:35):
be funny if I pointed out the fact that was
the only white guy in the desk, fell flat didn't work,
Like I think everybody's like, yeah, after a joke hadn't work, Okay,
got it. But then he's like, now I'm a dog.
I don't know that that illegal that apparently it is.
I just don't. I just felt dumb, like at the
very moment time I saw it, and oh yeah, by

(01:34:56):
the way, it was so dumb. The second time around,
he scored a touchdown, he did the black Power salute,
and no one's actually even mentioned that one. No one's
mentioned it, so he easily could have said, yeah, if
you look at the correlation the two celebrations, that's what
this is. Reguarded. He had the opportunity. He's like, now
I'm a dog. Dogs p on things. That's what we do.

(01:35:21):
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Friday and Saturday nights, straight out of Vegas. He's r J. Bell.
The website is pregame dot com. He joins us every
week at this time on The Doug Gotlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Huh, I'm sorry, Oh, I'm sorry.
Let's uh, let's let's get to it. I want to

(01:37:32):
be in the know. Well we might not know, but
Vegas always knows, all right, My bad. I I butchered
that awesome open a man video worked on that like
night and day, like big bags under his eyes, and
I completely butchered. R J. Bell joins us here on

(01:37:53):
the Doug Gotlap Show. What does Vegas know? What do
the sharps? No, let's start one of the great rivalries
in a nastal football league. Um not as much recently
because the Raiders haven't been good until uh this past
year year and a half or so. But Raiders Broncos,
Broncos tremendous at home first two weeks of the season.
Laid an egg on the road in Buffalo. But so

(01:38:14):
too did the the Raiders when they were on the
road in Tennessee to open the season, and I was
suv not in Tennessee. They won in Tennessee in d C.
This past Sunday, as uh they want. They lost on
Sunday Night Football to the Redskins. Alright, who are the
sharp son as the Broncos are a two and a
half point favorite. Yeah, this baby, Doug has moved up

(01:38:35):
to three now Denver favored by three. A lot of
professional money on the Broncos. It actually opened a one
point favor, so one to one and a half to
two and a half all the way to three, mostly
sharp money. Usually before game day, it's almost all sharp money.
Most recreational batters. You know, they'll start betting a little

(01:38:56):
on Friday and Saturday, but it's really sign day. The
recreational guys step in. Prior to that, a lot of
professional action. I was so confused by the Raiders last week,
because if you look at Tennessee and how they've looked
since that Raiders game, it really makes you think, Wow,
what a win in Tennessee the Raiders had in week one,

(01:39:19):
and they looked really good in week two, and then
to not only lose, but to lose with the offensive
line struggling, which is probably the strongest position group for
the Raiders. It's caused the real reevaluation with Oakland could
be an aberration, could be assigned as something, you know,
more trouble. But right now the Raiders are a question

(01:39:41):
mark in Vegas and there's more money for sure on Denver.
Gonna be fascinating to see if the Raiders can kind
of turn this thing around after that embarrassing performance. Of course,
part of it is three of the first four games
on the road. Uh that that that limits any teams,
all right? The Rams, who had an extra couple of
days to rest coming up a high school ring win
over the San Francisco forty Niners, take on a Cowboys

(01:40:03):
team that played on Monday Night football, so short week
for the Cowboys. Cowboys playing at home. Rams up Front
seven has always been well respected and though the though
the Cowboys end up blowing out the Cardinals late in
that game was tied heading into the fourth quarter. Um,
give me a sense of what Vegas knows about Rams
Cowboys a six and a half point favorite of the Pokes.

(01:40:25):
Another big money game, and it's been all Rams money.
This baby opened. Rams a nine point underdog that all
the way down to six. That takes big money to
bet from nine to six. This Rams. It's a tale
of two teams compared to last year. So we'll be
talking about net yards per play all season. It's the

(01:40:47):
wise guy's favorite stat because it takes out turnovers, It
takes out the pace of the game. Every time I
snapped the ball on offense, How many yards do I
gain when the opponent stops the ball? I mean, yours?
Do we give up that stat? That net is the
one key number wise guys love. Nineteen teams doug are

(01:41:09):
within a half a yard from last year's net yards
per play. The Rams are one of the handful that aren't,
and they're actually two yards better. No other team in
the league has improved by two yards when it comes
to net yards per play. So the question is is
a an aberration? Is it a fluke over a couple
of weeks or is it the new coach McVeigh and

(01:41:32):
just a whole different mentality Right now, the betters seem
to think the Rams are a different team. They have
been bad heavily over the Cowboys, and it'll be interesting
to see if we overvalue that Thursday night game against
a Niners. De Niners team is not very good, but
a lot of chunk plays, which of course helped with
that stats. Real quick, Doug, I'm starting to erup, but
a lot of people are asking what about a Monday

(01:41:54):
night team playing a Thursday night team? Right? So a
short week versus long week. We've got thirty instances since
nine nine in the database the team with short rest,
so that's the Cowboys here thirteen and seventeen against the spread.
So it does seem to have a small effect, though
a small sample size alright. Steelers Ravens. Steelers disappointing lost

(01:42:17):
on the road, uh to the Chicago Bears. Ravens come back,
They're coming back. I'm sure there's numbers on teams coming
back from London, especially without a buy, and I'm not
sure how many of them mentally even made the trip
to London with that no show performance against the Jaguars.
The Ravens are a home dog against the Steelers, both
teams coming off a loss. What do you make of

(01:42:37):
that line? You're set up? Reminds me of the famous
Seinfeld line. Kramer was moving to California and they said
when you're moving and he said, in my mind, I'm
already there. But here's what I'll say, talk about history
with no boy. There's one team in history that's played
after London without a buy, and that was the Colts

(01:42:59):
last year. They covered the spread and I actually bet
against him because I thought it was a big mistake. Now,
two teams this week playing without a buy. You know,
we'll see what the effect is because the one game
doesn't tell us too much. Here's the question, and you know,
I I know you love to talk about things that
aren't obvious, Doug. How much of an effect do you

(01:43:19):
think the political the President Trump distractions had on teams
last week? I personally think Pittsburgh and Seattle specifically were
very much affected. And do you think there's any effect
this week? I don't know. I mean, the Pittsburgh thing
is weird, with Big Ben saying he thought he was
whish he was out there not sleeping Sunday night. He said, yeah,

(01:43:42):
I'm not sure I buy that. Or if you're not's
not sleeping, it's not sleeping. Not because you know that
he didn't go out and salute the flag. I just
I got it, Ben, you're super into the flag. Villan Auava,
of course, actually served in the army, was the one
guy out there. Like there there's something that's unsettled about
this locker. But look, some locker rooms are better when
there's dysfunction. They just are not Steelers, not a Steeler fans.

(01:44:05):
I'm just not only I just think at some point
we have to he here's one big thing that I'll
be interested to see how it plays out that oh
four quarterback class Philip Rivers looks close to being washed
Is a chance Ben Roethlisberger is washed up? Like he
wasn't good last week twenty two of three nine, he
was not good. He hasn't been good on the road
for like three seasons. Okay, So at some point do
we go, like, hey, maybe these guys who we always

(01:44:27):
think are good other time has caught up with them
in their in their mid thirties. I think that's a possibility.
But like, look, if we're gonna say that the politics
and what what distracted the Pittsburgh Steelers, Okay, why when
it had distracted the Baltimore Ravens who were involved in
while they were playing abroad. And maybe it did right,
because who knows. And that's the thing. Every week, half

(01:44:49):
the teams are gonna fall shorter expectation because they're gonna
lose against the spread, which is by definition expectations. So
to me, I think you can reverse engineer stuff to
make it make sen it's in your mind. But knowing
the Steelers, and you know Colin has talked about this,
these emotional teams like Pittsburgh, like Seattle, tend not to
do as well early in the year. They tend not

(01:45:11):
to do as well on the road. And both Seattle
and Pittsburgh that's been the case, and both I mean,
from what I heard, Seattle had a four hour meeting
before the game against Tennessee about how to handle this.
That cannot not be a distraction. So the last thing
I'll say on this game, though, don't get trapped by
road favorites because they always seem short. Here's a good

(01:45:34):
exercise if you flip home to home. So if Pittsburgh
went home in this game, it would be a six
point flip. So Pittsburgh would be a nine point favorite.
So the fact they're favored by three on the road
at Baltimore is a sign that this Pittsburgh team is
considered to be much much better than Baltimore. Right, Colts
are a thirteen point Dougins. Yeah, they're the Coats coming

(01:45:56):
up their first win of the year. Grant it was
over the Browns. The seas has not been impressive. You know,
they couldn't dust off the Niners. Uh. They got a
big drop on second down, hurt the Niners. Otherwise Niners
might have made that thing go to overtime. Uh. And
just the Seahawks haven't been able to protect. But the
Colts are at a talent deficiency. Can the Seahawks win
by two touchdowns at home? I think they can? I

(01:46:17):
would lean though obviously Coats. Um. Here's what I would
say is I think the analog the analogous game for
this game is off the green Bay loss Week one,
Seattle hat San Fran at home. You mentioned it, you
would think we've got to make a statement after losing
to green Bay. They scored twelve points this offensive line

(01:46:40):
is so bad. I don't know if it gets fixed.
I don't know if it's just motivation. And I think
it affects more than just how much better are you
per snap, let's say, than the other team, But I
think it affects Seattle's willingness with big leads. Let's say
let's say they're up ten with with six minutes left,
the Seattle has the ball on their own thirty five.

(01:47:02):
Typically they would put the steak in the heart, get
the touchdown and make it seventeen and cover the spread.
But do they really put Russell Wilson expose him to
pass rush in that spot? Or do they play conservative
and kick save Russell Wilson from taking a hit or
two perhaps, but now not cover the spread. So for me,

(01:47:24):
I I'm scared of per set on the road in Seattle,
you know, for a his first road start. I think
if I'm not mistaken if, but otherwise I would really
like the Colts here. Um the Panthers trying to taking
on the Patriots. We know that New England struggle with
the with the Texans last week another home game for
the Pats. I don't think the Panthers very good. They

(01:47:45):
don't have Greg Olson. Calvin Benjamin did return to practice,
but he's all banged up. Uh. And Cam Newton has
been bad. I mean, he just hasn't been good. Tuck
me off this ledge. If I'm a Panther fan, I can't.
I'm probably shoving you off because Cam at two pass
here's the only possible hope. Cam had two passes in
the preseason. They didn't play him. So the theory is,

(01:48:08):
and you hear Belichick talk and you gotta hey, I
listen to every syllable Belichick says when it comes to football,
is September is like an extension of the preseason because
there's just less time with the new agreement with the union.
If that's the case, and you have Cam missing the preseason,
then maybe you can make the case he needs even
a couple more weeks to get ready and then he'll

(01:48:30):
be better. The question is what's the record at that
point of Carolina. Here's a stat I put together just
for you, dougot I know your high i Q approach
to radio. The Pats have the worst yards per play
defense in the NFL right now. They're giving up seven
point one yards every time the opponent snaps the ball. Now,

(01:48:50):
the thirty first team is given it up six point eight, Okay,
so it's close. The thirtieth team is given up six
point two. So literally, the Patriots are four team percent
worse than the thirtie best team. On defense, There's never
been a team across the season that's given up seven
yards per play. This so far has been the worst
defense in history, though it's only a three game sample size.

(01:49:14):
So the Pats favored by almost double digits with that
bat of a defense. If you do like the Pads,
batten with the over because I don't think they can
stop anyone right now. That's r J Bell. Check him
out at pregame dot com with let him on Fox
Sports trading on both Friday and Saturday night. Are J
great stuff, incredible information. Really appreciate you joining us. Thank you,

(01:49:35):
duck straight out of Vegas for you. Now let's take
you straight into Steve Di Seger's world. Steve, what are
you working out? Oh? Us Golf? Now? Three nothing up
and a couple of the foursomes matches still to go
with the President's Cup Day one in New Jersey. The
Americans off to a great start and they're heavily favored.
There is baseball in progress at Milwaukee. It's bottom of
the fifth Brewers tied one one with Cincinnati. Milwaukee is

(01:49:57):
two and a half games behind idle Colorado for the
last wild card spot. St. Louis three and a half
out and almost eliminated since the end of the season
is this Sunday. St. Louis plays tonight against the Cubs.
Yankees and Red Sox each have home games after seven
pm Eastern time. Red Sox are first in the AL East.
Magic numbers two for Boston to clinch the division over
New York. It's looking like the Yankees will host a

(01:50:18):
wild card game Tuesday night against Minnesota. We know the
Twins who clinched the spot last night. We'll have Irvin
Santana pitching that game. He got a no decision today
on the road, went five scoreless innings, though he's sixteen
and eight. Minnesota lost that game today at Cleveland, five
to two. The Indians record one hundred and fifty nine
on the season. NFL tonight at Chicago at Green Bay.

(01:50:40):
Vikings quarterback Sam Bradford missed another practice today with the
sore knees out again Sunday, the Bengals activated linebacker Vontes
Berfect after a three game suspension. Back to you, I
think Vonte's perfect coming back really really helps that team.
They played better offensively, you know, Bill Laser, Bill Laser

(01:51:01):
Liquid hot Magma as his uh his his play calls.
But we'll see if they can actually win a football game.
This becomes, you know, win or else you can't. Oh
and three is bad enough ohen four is don't buy
green bananas. Bengals taken on the Browns. Early pick for
you tomorrow. I got my five picks just I'm taking
the Bengals now now, right now, right this very second.

(01:51:26):
Put me down for the Bengals against the Browns. The
Shawan Kaiser has just gotten just gotten beaten up so
far this year, hit thirty one times already on the season.
Oi Oi Oi Chargers, got the Eagles. Got all my
picks for you up coming tomorrow, will also podcast him

(01:51:48):
Indians one their hundred games. Jack young Blood joined us
early in the show. And here's the thing is, um,
whatever your world is, wherever your world is, that's kind
of how you see it, right, Like it's really hard.

(01:52:09):
Most people drive the same way to work every day.
Romis you drive the same way to work every day
at a time a time, you drive the same way
pcent of the time. Yes, what about your music, No,
I would say it's like half and half. I kind
of have like two routes and depending on how I

(01:52:30):
think traffic is, I'll choose between those. Uh, Americans drive
to work the exact same way every day. We just
we do this the same thing. We we If you
go to church on Sunday, you probably have always gone
to church on Sunday and you go to the same
church of your family goes to oncent right. Um, so

(01:52:56):
by the way of us drive to work, commute to
work with our car every day of those drivers drive
the exact same way. And I bring that up because
we just we're kind of digging as to who we
are and how we've been raised. And that's what we do.

(01:53:17):
And we like to say, you know, I'm I'm really
open to things. You know, I'm open to things, But
are you really can you actually see a different perspective,
can you evolve on something or can you at least
allows somebody else's thoughts and so what Look, what's happened

(01:53:40):
with the president is he's he's brought politics into the
world of sports, or he's brought sports right in the
world of politics. I think he's brought politics in the
world of sports. I think that's what he's done. And
the idea of politics is too uh invigorate to create
like a reason for your people to care about your cause.

(01:54:04):
That's what you do. And the amazing thing about it
is he's been able to do it as a non
politician doing very political stuff, and by going kind of
off the rails and railing on NFL players. You would think, well,
that's a crazy thing to do. But it was crazy

(01:54:26):
to take on the Republican establishment to beat them. It's
crazy to take on the news organizations. He's essentially beat them.
Like I don't actually think he's beating the news organizations,
but his people, his base believe him, like, well, that's
not true fake news. He took on the Clintons, beat them,

(01:54:49):
and we can have other reasons for it, but the
fact is that he's beating the NFL in this, in
this debate over kneeling for the flag, he just tis
Denver Broncos today announced We're gonna stand, We're gonna stand together.
They basically apologize to their fan base for kneeling. Last week,
we did so unity, brotherhood, YadA, YadA, YadA. You gonna

(01:55:11):
do it again? Nope? I love that we are incredibly united.
Are you gonna be united this week? Yep. But we're
gonna be united standing up. We're gonna be protesting, just protesting,
standing up. We're gonna do um. But as much as
you want to think that, what don't get caught up

(01:55:33):
in the s O B remarks. Get to the substance
of it. And what he's playing to is a core
group of kind of old school older people. Old people
vote more than young people vote. Young people make a
bunch of noise. Young people march. But the reason that
Florida is always a tipping point is old people in Florida,

(01:55:56):
and old people vote, They just do. And so what's
he doing. He's playing to an older base that's like, Hey,
all these football players that are entitled and there they
they're they're disrespecting. And he even talks about disrespecting the
flag and disrespecting the flag, they're disrespecting what the flag
in the national anthem stand for. That's different. But I

(01:56:20):
don't think that the president is alone in his thoughts.
He's not just some lone wolf out there. There's Jack
Young blud All Flame linebacker L A. Rams joined us
early in the show, and I asked him about players
kneeling during the play in the national anthem. Don't get
me started on that. These poor children are are misguided
and they need to stop, take a deep breath and

(01:56:45):
think about what they're doing and realize that this is
not your house. This is the bushman's house, and he
doesn't want you to embarrass him in front of the country.
No question. They have the right to do that, but
not in that form, not in that stadium. That's the
wrong place to do that. It's the wrong place to

(01:57:07):
do it, the wrong place to do it. Um fascinating me. Right,
we don't like our religion with sports. We don't like
our politics of sports. Were just like our sports with sports.
On the other hand, standing for a national anthem is
our patriotism in sports. Somehow we link those two. I'm

(01:57:29):
gonna always stand for the flag, guy, I am. There
have been videos out there of police brutality I've been
bothered by. I'm actually more bothered honestly by socio economic
differences than i am about racial differences. I think that
kind of gets lost, right, Like if you grow up
in a bad neighborhood and your parents can't afford to

(01:57:50):
send you to a nicer school, it becomes a vicious
cycle that you can't get out of. And it's not
just black people living in poverties. There's actually more, I know,
percentage wise my orities, but there's actually more white people
living in poverty. Like, just if your parents aren't educate
college educating, you grew up poor. It's really really hard
to get a good education, and that's the best way
to get out of of of living in a tough

(01:58:13):
part of town. But I've never been to the point
to where I would protest the flag. I'm kind in
the middle of this thing. Just damn. I think you
always stand up. And I think some of some of
what people have protesting is they have only seen half
the story and they don't realize that if they're protesting

(01:58:36):
the police, the same policemen are keeping them safe. And
it's a very very difficult just juxtaposition for a lot
of people. But while I don't completely agree with what
Jack young Blood was saying, I also know Jack young
Blood isn't alone his feelings. He might not agree with

(01:58:57):
the style of rhetoric of the President, but he agrees
with generally what he's saying. And the two things that
happened when you know your entire league forms a protest
as to what as what the president said is one,
it's taken from the other side as oh, you're now,

(01:59:20):
you're now, you're gonna make a big show of it,
and you're gonna drive away. That's your fans. Those are
your fans. Michael Jordan's famously said a Republicans buy sneakers too,
but more so than the NBA. The NFL is the Midwest,
the South. That's the fabric of what you do. College

(01:59:41):
football on a step, high school football on a Friday,
college on a Saturday, NFL on a Sunday. And in
some people's opinion, you're disrespecting the the country so much
so that it's gonna drive away your viewers. And combined

(02:00:03):
with other factors, I don't think the President is gonna
is winning on this debate. Urban Meyer had some interesting
thoughts in the controversy and college basketball. I'll share them
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(02:00:48):
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Let's let's catch up on what else is going on
the world of sports with the Press. The Press Steve

(02:01:08):
to Seger, Steve what he got? Well? The big news
that we touched on early in the show now a
p reporting as well. The NBA's Board of Governors today
voted to pass legislation on draft lottery reform and also
guidelines on resting healthy, healthy players during the regular season.
That lottery reform. The changes will be instituted not next summer,
but for the NBA Draft and beyond. This reform designed

(02:01:31):
to discourage teams from tanking to pursue the best box
of lots to select highest in the draft order. I
noticed the Darryl Grri tank related to tweet just simply
saying tanking is solved. I sent some sarcasm in that
as well. Yes, I I think just because you just
create more problems, right, just kind of moving around deck

(02:01:52):
chairs and the tight tanks. Basically, for those who are unaware,
it used to be if you had the worst record,
you had a chance of drafting number one that summer.
Now it's just a fourteen percent chance for the three
worst teams in the standings. Things have been changed, and
also the Commissioner has some power as far as the
resting regulations to find teams for sitting healthy players in
instances that include nationally televised games. And that is a

(02:02:17):
direct result of what happened last year, and everybody's mad,
especially especially the the TV company has been paid so
much money for their for their rights. Celtics president Danny
Ainge in late August traded away a valuable asset Brooklyn's
unprotected first round pick data had as part of a
package for Kyrie Irving. Age has finally explained it to

(02:02:37):
CS in New England. Quote, I think that signing Al
Horford and Gordon Hayward now I feel a responsibility to
give them a chance. I think the Brooklyn pick, he says,
could be very, very exciting. I think Cleveland could have
a really good pick there. It's probably gonna be a
big man that's aged nineteen that probably needs a couple
of years to develop, could develop into a franchise player.
But quote, Kyrie is a proven sure thing. I think

(02:03:00):
Kyrie has a proven sure thing. How it works, how
he works with the Celtics culture. Kyrie is very smart,
but he's one of those guys that knows he's very smart.
And how that works with Brad Stevens, who's also very
clever and adept at kind of understanding the personalities of
his players, Like, I think how that thing works and
involves with the eleven new players is going to be interesting.
And we have the college basketball news. With the FBI

(02:03:23):
investigation being announced this week, Ohio States football coach Urban
Meyer said today he's in favor of simple and severe
penalties for anyone caught lying to the n C. Double A.
We have some of the sound from the fan in
Columbus student athletes lies to the n C. They're finished.
So you're telling me a fifty year old man's got
more rights than a eighteen year old student athlete. Were

(02:03:43):
who comes up with that? Urban Meyer saying, if you
intentionally lie about committing violations. Your career is over. Uh yeah,
but that's already that's already actually the case, like that's
kind of a red herring career, not your career, your
career in college basketball, college football is over. Yeah, Dez
Bryant lied to the lie to the n c A
about having it. And he's saying coaches as well, And

(02:04:06):
essentially it is you lie to the n c A,
usually get a show cause, usually get fired, show cost
do people? People do come back sometimes? Yeah. I mean,
whatever you lie to, you lie to the n c A,
you usually fired. So it is a black mark. Sam
Bradford we mentioned at the bottom of the hour, officially
out again for the Vikings, the quarterback they say as injured.

(02:04:28):
He is getting better, not ready to play yet. That
means case Kingdom will start again for the Vikes. Third strange,
I said this when when he went out there and
I saw how he looked against the Steelers and it
was NONTCT contact injury and who was something he hadn't
get gone, he hadn't gone through before. Like I told
you what, I think we know the answer. None of
them are good. Uh. In regards to what this means
for Sam Bradford's career. That that that that that knee,

(02:04:51):
that left knee that he's had operated on twice still
appears to be very problematic. And finally to baseball, film
about the Cubs finally breaking their championship drought reportedly in
the works, based on a David Ross book, Teammate. Of
course he was on the roster. Then the book documents
the world series run. The movie expected to be called Teammate,

(02:05:12):
with a director attached to the project, according to Deadline,
Hollywood and Rumors suggests Bill Murray, Cubs super fan, could
portray the manager Joe Madden in the movie. Yeah. I
don't see Bill Murray being Joe Mann, but you know,
I don't. I don't see him. I think Keifer Sutherland
would be a would would do a better job of

(02:05:33):
a Joe Madden. But the fact is, I said this
yesterday on Twitter. I mean it. Uh, Bill Murray is
still funny, whereas Chevy Chase not funny. And they both
used to be hilarious in the eighties. Backing out there
and pressed that was the press, Ryan Music, Who wins tonight?
I'm gonna go Packers? Um do they cover the number?

(02:05:54):
I guess is the bigger question. Yeah, I think they do.
So you got them winning big? What about you? Remember
they don't have their two starting offensive tackles. But about you, rum,
I'll take the Packers. I don't know what the spread is,
but I'll just take the Packers. Spreads a lot, Yeah,
I don't think that spends a lot um. I will
take the Packers. I think it's gonna be a relatively
close game. I think they got issues that offensive lite.

(02:06:15):
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