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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on? Everybody? How are we doing?
John Midcoff Three and Out podcast just pivoting from Roy

(00:25):
McElroy and the Masters to some football, and obviously the
hot topic out there on the streets is this Tennessee
quarterback situation. So we'll dive into it today. I've had
a couple of days. I think we're red a bunch
of actually multiple articles a day on just what really
happened in the situation in regards to the negotiation and

(00:48):
the father. So I think I got a pretty good
idea of where I want to come from when talking
about Nico and the nil deal that went sour. I
do think there are are four guys in the NFL
that fall under the Rory McElroy category that have been
at it for a while, that are really good at
their job, really famous, and we go are they ever

(01:11):
going to win it? Slash? Can they win it? A
couple players, a couple coaches want to dive into that
as well. And a trend in the draft process when
it comes to the forty yard dash that seems like
it's only gaining steem that I don't even know if
the forty is going to exist in five six years
the way we're going, so we will talk about that
as well as a mail bag at John Middlecoff at

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John Middlecoff is my Instagram. Fire in those dms. Get
your questions answered here on the show. I did a
podcast yesterday with Coward. We talked football, we talked the Masters.
I also did my own podcast right after the Master's
end and did reacting to Rory somehow winning that thing

(01:53):
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I think it was the highest rated Masters in a
long time, so a lot of people were interested in
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It's funny to see some of these thoughts when it
comes to NIL, and we got a DM I think
last week that said, like, everyone's perspective on NIL is different.

(04:08):
Someone like me that went to cal Paly that when
I moved to Philadelphia, I'd have to tell people just
I went to cal because no one would understand what
cal Paly was. It's essentially like San Diego State, but
in the middle of you know, kind of of the
California and it's not a big football school or D

(04:28):
one double A. So if you go to a school
like USC, like Texas, like Alabama, like Ohio State, like Michigan,
you treat them like you would if you're a forty
nine Er fan or an Eagle fan or a Patriot fan,
like that's your squad, so you don't really care about NIL.
Unless a guy leaves you because you're not paying them enough,
and then you're like double middle fingers and people like
me that are kind of like a nomadic college football fan.

(04:51):
I gravitated toward the SEC during the Saving Eeric because
I thought it was really enjoyable football, not gonna lie
like Ohio State Michigan is just an incredible game. I'm
dialed for that bad boy, But I don't really have,
you know, a horse in the race with most of
these teams when they're playing, unless I'm gambling on it.
So my take has been pretty like, I don't care
paying what you want to pay him. If you don't

(05:11):
want to pay him, it's up to him to find
if he can get more. And this is just a
general take when it comes to nil. But I think
and Colin talked about this, and he's right, it's really easy.
And I would say the media always tends to be
pro player pro and definitely now college, which was understandable
forever when it came to college because they weren't getting

(05:33):
paid above the table. They were definitely getting paid below
the table. And you know in college basketball, Jay Billis
would go on these rants. It's like Jay coach k
has been paying people for twenty years. I didn't care,
but we can't be naive and act like these guys
aren't getting broken off now. In football, because of the
amount of guys, it was never like paying a top

(05:55):
basketball recruit because that individual had a much bigger impact
and if you did nail it, like you can win
a national championship. Right in football, it is so hit
or miss. You've got so many players in the recruiting class.
So the nil landscape. A lot of coaches got out
of paying big time recruits. Why because it's a complete

(06:15):
crap shoot. If you go the last twenty years and
just type in twenty sixteen top fifty recruits in the country,
any year you're gonna see some big time names, some
guys that go on to be NFL stars, get drafted
really high, and you're gonna see a lot of guys
like who's that? What was that guy's deal? This guy
even play in the NFL, this guy even playing college.

(06:37):
So it is a complete crapshoot. And a couple of
years ago, Tennessee gave Nico a four year contract worth
eight million dollars. Now he was a prize recruit, a
big time dude out of Los Angeles. But I think
we all have to agree, like that's pretty ballsy. There
is no guarantee that that guy's going to be a star.
In his first year he didn't even play. He read shirts,

(06:57):
so that they paid him two million dollars to ride
the pine and be the backup. And then in his
second year he started. Tennessee had a good year. They
were a running team and a good defense. He threw
one touchdown against Arkansas, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State.
One total touchdown versus those opponents. I would say, given

(07:19):
the hype, he had a pretty underwhelming year, which historically
in college football is a red trier freshman. It's like
yay threw twenty touchdowns nine picks, did not play that
well against top competition. Is a work in progress. No shit,
it's called college football. He's nineteen, twenty years old. Most
guys aren't just hitting the ground, running and just Johnny
football day one. It is difficult. So like, as a player,

(07:43):
totally understandable. In the SEC the speed a little different
than playing high school ball at LA, But like I
think everyone is so quick. The takes of everyone's always
getting screwed. And that is something that I think social
media a lot of people have always had those takes.
But when you get on social media, I would say
the victimhood mentality everyone's getting fucked financially in terms of

(08:08):
like college sports is a universal theme. And in certain situations like, no,
this guy's actually not getting screwed. He got an incredible
deal because even if he had failed, if he hadn't
been a good player, he was going to get eight
plus million dollars in a state where there's no state
in good tax So like that's a pretty good place
to do business. And here's the thing that I feel

(08:31):
bad for about this kid based on the information all
the articles that I've read, is his dad's leading the charge.
And I think sometimes when you're too I say it
all the time, like when a wife, a father, a sister,
a brother says something really stupid, whether it's at a
game or on social media, regarding the person in their

(08:53):
life that they're close with, that their family too, that's
playing in the game. Like, yeah, they're emotional. They are
a little closer to this than me or you. I
give them a break. I don't hold them to the
same standards as like the general manager or just like
some random media member. It's like that's their brother. I
hope that they are a little over the top in

(09:16):
their support of the guy. But the father negotiating this deal,
credit to whoever originally negotiated this deal. Fantastic deal, and
it looked like it had a chance to be a
win win. Hell, I was really bullish on this guy.
Early in the season. You see the physical attribute, you
see the big arm. But as the season went, like,
there's no way to dispute it. He wasn't that good.

(09:37):
And I've seen a lot of people in college football
talk about this happened in the NFL all the time.
It was bound to happen in college football. Average players
in the NFL do not hold out. You know why,
they would fucking get cut. They would be told to
pack your locker and leave. You know who holds out
in the NFL, Nick Bosam, Chase, Trent Williams. Elite players

(10:05):
coming off elite years. Hell, we argue when a guy
like Brandon Ayuk, who had seventy five catches and fifteen
hundred yards and was the number one wide receiver for
a Super Bowl team, It's like, is he good enough?
To hold and they're technically holding in, but like you
never see it's like, yeah, this guy's a marginal right guard,
not happy with his three million dollar contract looking for

(10:26):
six he's holding out because his ass would be sent
packing immediately. And yet when this Nickel thing happened, everyone
brought all these takes. It's pretty simple. They got really greedy.
And I think sometimes and we all fall under this
category of like, listen, I love business, I love doing deals.
I love everything on this podcast and doing business with

(10:49):
different partners and generating revenue, but not everything all the
time can be about money. I surely, like many of you,
have to do some things professionally where it's like yeah,
I'm probably not gonna get paid during this, or you know,
I could probably make more money doing this, but there
are other benefits. And I think when you look at
the Nico situation, it'd be one thing. If he was

(11:09):
getting one hundred grand starting quarterback in the SEC, It's like, yeah,
his his contract is way out of whack. It's like, bro,
you signed for over two million dollars. It's like, what
are you comparing yourself against Carson Beck? Well, two years ago,
Carson Beck was really really good. You have yet to
have a really really good season, And clearly you know

(11:31):
part of you know Lamar took a lot of shit
for this when his mother was his agent. It's like,
does he know what he's doing? Is this the right
thing to do?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Like?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Are you too close to all this? Now it's all
worked out? You know why? Lamar's an all time great talent.
He's a multiple time MVP. Like, when you're that good,
it doesn't matter if I'm your agent, his mom's agent,
or Drew Rosenhouse the agent. It's gonna work itself out.
But in a situation like this, when you go, yeah,
we were gonna need a little more money, it's like, yeah,
I'm gonna need some more fucking touchdowns. Then I'm gonna

(12:02):
need a little more production because I got no problem
paying you if you produce. And I think you look
at this guy and his team. They are living in
La la land, they really are. And this notion of
I just it just kind of wears on you that
everyone is constantly getting screwed. That ah, this guy's this

(12:23):
guy's really getting ft now, actually he's not. Looks like
a pretty good deal to me, and I think most
people at the highest levels of whatever their profession is.
When there's a lot of money on the line, there
is a balance of like, Okay, you're doing a good
job negotiating, you're making a good amount of money. It's like, well,
now are you gonna get greedy? And you could argue

(12:44):
what is the line for greed? And that's a fair question.
It depends on the individual situation. I do think it's
fair to say after the year that this guy had
that like asking for double arrays based on his level
of play was kind of comical. And my favorite part
about this story is when his dad shopping him around.

(13:08):
Dan Lannon gets on the horn and calls Josh Heipel
in the program and says, just to let you know
your quarterback is shopping himself around, and I give Josh
Hypel credit. Now, I don't know if it's as simple
as this is bs we're cutting you that. There are
probably some other variables. Maybe they tried to talk it out,
but regardless how it went down, the last forty eight

(13:30):
six seven days of this process, last week they said
kick rocks, see ya audios, And I do wonder like
this is the second transfer portal. A lot of teams
have quarterbacks. A lot of really good teams have quarterbacks,
And this is what I'm talking about being greedy. He
was in a spot where this team is going to
compete for the playoffs every single year. He chooses to

(13:53):
stay in college football unless he improved a lot, Like
he wasn't coming out in the draft, So he was
going to be in college football for seven more years.
And he was in an incredible spot with a coach
who is a quarterback and an offensive mind, with a
team that pretty clearly is really good on defense, and
is going to continue to be in a place that

(14:13):
is unreal to play college football in. You could argue
the biggest spot the SEC. And now he's not allowed
to transfer into the SEC without having to sit out
a rule because the SEC took some initiative I don't
know whether they did this last year or a couple
of years ago, that the second transfer or portal window,
you're not allowed to transfer within conference and play immediately.

(14:35):
So that's not on the table. And you look at
Oregon like they clearly don't want him. Ohio State like
are they going to be interested in this? Michigan just
paid a guy twelve million dollars, Like where Texas, they
got arch Manning. I'm just not quite sure where this
guy is going to end up. I'm not gonna lie.

(14:56):
I'm rooting for them to make a lot less money
in their spot be because I care about like the
kid learning a lesson. I really don't. I don't even
blame them if I was nineteen and twenty years old
and clearly my dad is like, quote unquote my boss
slash manager. You're just kind of doing what he's telling
you to do. But this is gonna be a good
lesson for his father potentially, like you completely fucked your

(15:18):
cash cow, because let's face it, I'm sure his dad
had his hand in the cookie jar, and the cookie
jar was full of cookies at over two million dollars
a year at Tennessee. And now they're looking around, and
let's face it, here's the other thing. Some of these
coaches at all the good programs again, you're leaving Tennessee
to go to the good programs kind of want to

(15:40):
draw a line in the sand. I read an athletic
article where guys like Mario Christobol were quoted and it
was like, damn, these guys were kind of taking some
shots of like you hold out on the team, you
better get out. Like these coaches are tired of this.
They have no problem with the collective paying their star players.
They're all why they're getting filthy rich as well. But

(16:03):
when it comes to football, you're holding out and you're
just like, yeah, I don't think this is gonna work.
And I do wonder if we see some of these
guys now that all takes is won. But like, if
your best option is UCLA football, you left the University
of Tennessee to go to UCLA, Like, I'm sorry, that's laughable.

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Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yesterday with it being the Masters. And I think part
of this is what makes sports so great. I mean,
part of the reason the sec we talk about so
much is the history behind the conference hell just in
the last twenty plus years, the great Florida teams, obviously,
the great Saving teams, now the Kirby teams, and all
these different situations post nil. It's added to the drama

(18:40):
that is reality television and that is sports, right, And
you're only as strong in reality television show as your
you know, star celebrities, which in football's case are your
star quarterbacks and your star position players and obviously your coaches.
They play huge roles in the drama that is football.

(19:03):
It's why so many people watch, because we're really really invested. Obviously,
we root for you know, most people root for a team.
I would say it's a pretty high percentage in the
general vicinity where you grew up, Like, why did I
root for the forty nine ers growing up? Well, I
grew up fifty an hour, depending on traffic away from Candlestick. Right.

(19:24):
If I had grown up in Wisconsin, I'd probably been
a Packer fan. If I had grown up in Texas,
probably been a Cowboy fan. Right. We're all typically based
where we are born and grow up, or at least
early on if we move, what team is in the vicinity,
and then from there these individuals that are part of
that team, like Steve Young and Jerry Rice Hell Steve Young.

(19:46):
When I was a kid, all I can remember, when
I was really, really young, a lot of people saying, like,
this guy's a failure, this guy cannot live up to
Joe Montana. And you could be like, well, who can,
And obviously he couldn't. Joe Montana won MVPs, won multiple
Super Bowls. But when Steve Young finally won the Super
Bowl in nineteen ninety four, it was a really big
deal for people in my life, help my dad till

(20:07):
his dying days, not in a million years would have
ever said Steve Young was even remotely as good as
Joe Montanga. There was a bitterness, totally understandable, but that
is men's soap opera, right. These situations in regards to
the coach, the decisions, the trades, the whole thing. And
I think part of it is the longer ye're around.

(20:27):
Right in a sport. Part of what made John Elway
story so special is it took him forever to win
the Super Bowl, and then his last two years he
rattles them both off. But if you followed football and
you're older than me, him losing added to the drama
of his career. Hell, I loved Peyton Manning when I
was young. Part of what made Peyton Manning so interesting

(20:50):
is that he couldn't beat Belichick and Tom. He couldn't
do it until he did, and then everything changed. Rory
McElroy couldn't win the Masters for years, year in year out,
year in year out, and then he finally did and
everything changed. But when I see the tournament peaked at
nineteen million people and averaged almost thirteen million people, well,

(21:11):
of course it did. This guy has been in our
life for fifteen years. He's the biggest star in the
sport and the story of can this guy do it
is the number one story in golf, kind of by
a mile. And I think when you look at football,
we have a lot of those individuals going right now.
When it comes to quarterbacks and coaches, can this guy

(21:31):
ever do it? And until they actually do it, the
answer is simply no. And I think a lot of
people go, I don't know. It was like that. Hell,
when I got to Andy Reid, he had already built
up a decade worth of yeah, this guy can't get
it done in the biggest games, and then hell, he
got fired and had to go to Kansas City. And
for the first five or six years, like, you know,
Andy Reid really good coach, but never can be a
super Bowl champion. And then Patrick Mahomes comes up. Now,

(21:55):
looking back, he's been to five super Bowls in six
years and one three of them. So it's like this
guy not he had done or just like well, he
had quarterbacks that weren't quite as good. You could argue
there were a lot of variables, but once you win,
it's crazy how different the narrative changed. And sometimes when
you're an individual like Aaron Rodgers, the way we talk

(22:15):
about him, no one can ever say he's not a champion.
You can't discuss him like he's James Harden, even though
he's had a lot of seasons where he's been remarkable,
put up incredible stats one MVPs and then felt like
he left you wanting a little more in the playoffs,
especially the second act when Lafour got there, It's like
wanted a little more there. I thought this was the year.

(22:38):
But at the end of the day, he won the
Super Bowl in twenty ten, So you can't really say
anything Tom Brady year two. You know in the league,
Year one, starting Boom, super Bowl champion, Like just check
that box my homes second year, starting Boom wins super Bowl,
Like he's just a champion. And you look at the
other two quarterbacks. I think there are four guys that
fall into the category of what Rory just accomplished and

(22:59):
shut everyone up because there were a lot of people like,
he's never gonna do it. You're crazy if you bet
on him, That's all I heard. You're crazy if you
bet on Roy McElroy. I really wanted to, and I
didn't because I got cold feet. Luckily, I've been in
the soccer market long enough that I don't hold on
to things that I wanted to do that I didn't do.
Just let it go. Sometimes in hell, if I would
have bet on him, he probably would have lost. But

(23:23):
I think there are four individuals, two quarterbacks and two
coaches that until they do it, it's actually going to
add to the interest. And I think when you look
at the two quarterbacks, it's pretty clear who they are,
right and I would rank them to Lamar Jackson one
Josh Allen. And the reason I have Lamar Jackson number
two is like he just hasn't played that well in

(23:46):
the playoffs. I mean, and he, I would say, got
to go to an organization that, over the last two
and a half decades twenty five plus years, has been
considered not just one of the better organizations in foot
but in all of professional sports in North America. The
Ravens are a high level operation. Now they were in trouble,

(24:07):
he got there, he saved him, but they've been the
number one seed multiple times and Ben Kote one year,
Dereck Henry ran for like four hundred yards on him.
A couple of years ago, the Chiefs just embarrassed him,
I mean seventeen to ten, absolute joke. They had no
business not winning it. But like, until he does it,
He's won these MVPs, he puts up these incredible stats,

(24:27):
Like he's kind of falling under that category of like
something happens in the playoffs, It's like, what is going on?
This is not the same guy. Now. Last year, for
the first time, in the second half of that game
against the Bills started to look more like the Lamar
Jackson we get used to seeing the regular season, and
it was like that was the Ravens had no business

(24:47):
losing that game. They were the more talented team, and
if Lamar Jackson doesn't play like he did in the
first half with two awful turnovers, they probably win the game.
Now you can say, well, it's Mark Andrew's fault. It's like, well,
they are a defense and quarterback dependent team and when
he plays bad, they got problems where you know, the Bills.

(25:08):
That's why I'd have Josh Allen won, is because he
actually plays well in the playoffs. If Lamar Jackson plays
the Chiefs in the playoffs, I will bet against Lamar Jackson.
Doesn't mean he won't do it, doesn't mean that it
won't eventually happen, But I don't think you'd be really
hard pressed to go this is the year, this is
the time. Just like most people with Roy McElroy, your

(25:29):
stupid stay away from this one where Josh Allen has
been the opposite. If you look at his numbers specifically
against the Chiefs, played pretty well. I mean a couple
of years ago, you could say he outplayed Patrick Mahomes
in the thirteen second game, and you know he you know,
unlike the Ravens, they've won a couple of Super Bowls
over the last twenty five thirty years, the Bills have
this thing hanging over their head like kind of a

(25:51):
tragic operation. Right, went to four straight Super Bowls, didn't
win one. And what the likelihood if I took a
team four straight, whether it was World Series, NBA Finals,
Stanley Cups, super Bowls, you just if I was like,
you're gonna get their four straight years, the likelihood that
you're gonna win one of them, especially a super Bowl

(26:12):
situation which is a one games sixty minutes, I feel
like it's like eighty plus percent that you're just bound
to win one. And they never did. And then up
until Josh and Sean McDermott got there, the Bills were
terrible this century. They were a joke. And then they
have literally played the Chiefs really well. They beat them

(26:33):
during the regular season consistently, they've played well in the playoffs.
And what makes it cool about these two guys is
it's clear they're all time great talents. Lamar's got two MVPs.
Josh just won his first MVP. If you tell me
when their careers end, they combined for six MVPs. Maybe
Lamar gets maybe they both get three. Right, I can
see Lamar win another one. I can see Josh win

(26:54):
a couple more. I personally think Josh is the best
player in the NFL currently, But like, until they do it,
it's gonna be kind of tragic. Like if you're a betanman,
you'd say, yeah, there's a decent chance at least one
of them never even gets his Super Bowl. Think about that.
That's the thing with Harbaugh and Kyle. Who to me,

(27:15):
and that's Jim Harbaugh, not John who obviously won the
Super Bowl? Is I would have Kyle Shanahan is by
far the most like tragic figure as a coach because
he's the only assistant coach in my life. I would
say any sport who gets blamed for a Super Bowl loss.
When you think about the twenty eight to three game,

(27:36):
no one talks about Dan Quinn, who was the head
football coach. No one ever mentions him, it's Kyle Shanahan's fault.
It's Kyle Shanahan's fault. It's Kyle Shanahan's fault, which fair
not he gets blamed for. And then he's had multiple
Super Bowls against the current dynasty the Chiefs and Patrick
Mahomes where he's had a lead in the fourth quarter.
Help two years ago he took him no overtime for

(27:58):
some reason kicked the field goal, which probably not a
great idea, but regardless is it's like the thing the
difference of Jim Harbon and Kyle is, even if Jim
Harbond never wins a Super Bowl, you could never not
call him a champion because he built up a championship
team at Michigan, which I would say over the last
couple decades clearly was one of the best college football

(28:21):
teams of his era, loaded with NFL guys at every
single position, didn't lose a game, beat Ohio State, beat
Nick Saban in his last final game, and then absolutely
destroyed a team loaded with NFL players in Washington in
the future Alabama coach in the championship. But like up
until that game, you know, I would say Jarba fell

(28:43):
under that of like, is he ever gonna get it done?
Is he ever gonna win? Hell, he lost to his
fucking brother in the Super Bowls. That's something that is
an extra additive of like it's one thing. It's like, ah,
I lost a Belichick, I lost to Andy Reid's, like
I lost to my brother in the Super Bowl. They
were kind of getting their ass kick until lights went off.
But the thing with Kyle, it goes he doesn't have

(29:05):
college football. He can't never say, well, you know, I
won a championship when I was thirty eight at Texas
or when I led Florida to a championship. It's like no,
It's like, are you gonna win with the forty nine ers?
And who knows, maybe he never gets back with the
forty nine ers, Maybe he had his opportunity never comes.
But you look at these figures and this is what

(29:25):
the business is built on. Obviously, the championships and the Brady's,
the Mannings, the Mahomes, guys that win them. But you
also need these other characters that are almost tragic, and
I think Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Kyle Shanahan and Jim
Harbaugh are kind of filling that void. Last but not
least I didn't want to mention this before we get
out of here, is that there's clearly a trend that

(29:51):
agents are telling their clients you don't need to run.
When I was in the NFL, it would have been
un heard of for a healthy player to not run
the forty, especially a guy who was fast. I totally
understand when I remember Keenan Allen had like knee injury

(30:13):
clear he wasn't gonna run that fast, wanted no part
of it. He eventually ran at like some private workout.
It didn't go well and it cost him won to
the third round. But still, guys, it felt like, I
don't know if it was peer pressure, league pressure, you
just did it. And there has been a clear shift
to these agents going we're not running the forty and

(30:37):
your guys fast like your guy can run like, we're
not gonna do it. Ashton Genty at his pro day
no forty. I watched Ashton gent run. It looks pretty
fast to me. But if someone in the league told me, yeah,
it's just not worth it. If he runs the four
or five two, it could cost him ten spots and
a lot of money. What I think Will Johnson at
Michigan who just had I don't know if it was

(30:57):
a pro day or like his personal workout. He's doing
the short shuttle. He jumped thirty seven inches. He is
an excellent athlete. Will Johnson is a really, really good player.
When I think of Will Johnson, I think someone did
his fast Now. I don't know if he's like Deon
Sanders running a four two forty, but I definitely don't
view a guy that's like scared to run. And I

(31:19):
think these agents realize now, like what are you gonna do?
Not draft my client because he doesn't run a forty.
I don't think we're that far away from getting to
a point where it's one thing like if you tell
me a guard doesn't want to run the forty, yeah,
who cares? Whatever. It's like you can see his explosion.
You can see him on tape, Like do I need
him to run a forty? It's not the end all

(31:40):
be all, But when it comes to a wide receiver,
when it comes to a running back, when it comes
to a corner, I kind of want to know the forty.
It's like, well, you got the data for you know
the programs, Like, yeah, I want to see him run
a forty. What his number is. Part of it is
so I can compare him to previous guys drafted where
he ranks, to other guys that were drafted really high.
Sauce Gardner isn't exactly. You know, the fastest guy on

(32:04):
the planet went in the top five. So it's if
you're a really good player, even if you run a
four or five two, it's not gonna kill you. Now
if you run a four to four to zero, maybe
it's gonna help you. That's the other thing. When you
don't run the forty, things can go well. If you're
gonna just approach it glass half empty, yeah, don't touch it. Well.
Part of it is there have been a ton of

(32:25):
guys over the history of this draft. If you just
look at the last ten to fifteen twenty years that
have run good times, that couldn't play, that have made
themselves a lot of money. Will Johnson can play. Honestly,
at one point in time early in the season, he
got banged up. Throughout the year, I think a lot
of people thought like, could this guy go like top five?

(32:47):
Could this guy definitely go top ten? Now, depending on
who you talk to, he's probably gonna end up going
somewhere like eight to twenty.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
There's a lot of very variables in this draft. Boards
are all over the place. But if you told me
that he ran, well, he ain't gonna plummet like a
rock in the ocean. Okay, let's dive into the mailbag

(33:21):
at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram DM's
wide open, fire in them. It's just my Instagram, DM
me and get your question answered here on the show.
I see this video from Belichick as going viral. Everyone
is just let the man live. He's seventy three, seventy
four years old, he's got a twenty five year old

(33:43):
girlfriend who wears hooker boots and just let him have
a good time, you know. But Bill's on campus. Everyone's
just trying to cut the dude's wings. Let my man live. Okay,
let's dive into the mailbag. Got it quite for the bag.
Some of my local radio guys brought this up the

(34:03):
other day in regards to Travis Hunter. He's considered a
consensus top five pick, and I'm not sure why hear
me out. Most are saying it's going to be impossible
for him to play both sides. Of the ball. If
that's the case, they are drafting him to be a
dB or a wide receiver exclusively and not both. Well,
if you're drafting solely for those positions, I'm not sure

(34:26):
he's the best of either one. For dbs, i'd argue
it's Will Johnson out of Michigan, and for wide receivers,
i'd argue it's McMillan out of Arizona. He's a higher
prospect scorer both because he's an awesome player, but it's
mostly because of his versatility and ability to do both.
I don't think he's better than either of them at

(34:48):
those positions exclusively. It's almost everyone is saying he can't
do both. I think I would rather have Travis Hunter
on my team than the Arizona wide receiver. And I
think part of it, you're not going into this draft
when you take him of like he has to do
this now. Maybe this team leans like I want him

(35:08):
to play corner, I want him to play wide receiver,
but he can end up doing either. He is just
a better player. If you gave ten college football teams,
would you rather have Travis Hunter or would you rather
have either of the other two guys? They would take
Travis Hunter and then you just figure it out. I
think that's part of it. Like, I think we're so
set on having a decision what he's gonna do. Let

(35:31):
it just play out. Let it just play out. He
is an I think he's a pretty special talent, and
I think part of what makes him so intriguing as
a dB is like he'll tackle. So I would take
Travis Hunter over either one of those players. Now, you
are right that if you got the risk would be

(35:51):
you're in a couple of years. He can't quite find
his footing at either one, but he's dabbling in both,
and you kind of get pasted, right, because it's like,
I don't care what you do in life. If you
are spread thin, it's harder to improve, right. So, like,
how does let's use an example, Derek Stingley get a

(36:12):
lot better at corner well every single day since he's
been in the league, everything he does revolves around playing
defensive back. The meetings, the training, practice, the games. It's
one playing cornerback. Right, How has Jamar Chase gotten better
over the last five years? Every single day is about

(36:34):
playing wide out, running routes, catching the ball. You spread
yourself thin, like, if I try to do seven other
things beside podcasting, podcasting would get shittier, this show would
get worse, right, So it's like that is a concern,
though I think you just kind of let the cream
rise and then focus. If he's able to play both,

(36:56):
it'd be one of the greatest stories of all time.
I mean it really would. I'm skeptical, but I would
have been skeptical that he could have pulled off what
he pulled off. Now could he have done in the
SEC I don't know. It would have been more difficult.
I mean, he could have, but would he have had
the same success. Maybe? Do you think the saga with

(37:18):
Nico and Tennessee will have a ripple effect on college
football in the current state of the NIL. I was
talking to someone who had interviewed for GM jobs. I
think when would it have been. I think it would
have been a couple of months ago. I was almost
said last year, but I actually think it was like
in December, and he said, by far, the worst time
to be a college GM has been the previous six months.

(37:40):
In the next six months because there are no rules
and eventually they think I don't know the exact date,
but over the course of the next calendar year, the
revenue sharing will be set. So right now you're dealing
with everyone that was going to try to be double
dipping and having these situations. It has reached a boiling

(38:02):
point of like there are no rules, there are no regulations,
everyone's cheating, no one's getting any trouble. So this is
a very very difficult time to be in that position.
So I do believe once the revenue sharing gets figured
out that things will stabilize a little. I still think
it's going to be pretty complicated that if like, okay,

(38:24):
you got a salary cap? Is it like the NFL?
Do quarterbacks get more? Do the left tackles get more?
Because in college football, like, why should my left tackle
get more if he's not an NFL left tackle? My
middle linebacker is going to be the thirteenth, you know,
seventeenth overall pit I have Rokwon Smith, right, because college
unlike the NFL, it's like, Okay, this guy's a really
good player at right guard, I'm gonna pay him, right,

(38:46):
But like what if you know in college football the
best player in your team is like Quentin Nelson, It's
like that guy makes less than the quarterback. That's where
it's gonna be complicated. I would imagine they're working on
that right now, but be interesting to see how that
plays out. Question for the mailback, which group of five
school since two thousand do you believe would have had

(39:07):
the best chance to win a national championship with the
current playoff bracket? I e. Kellen Moore erat Boise or
twenty twenty one Cincinnati Wildcats. I would say the Kellen
Moore team at Boise would have destroyed the Cincinnati team.
You can't, I mean, Desmond Ritter. I think Boise is

(39:28):
a ten point favorite in that game, and I do
think it would be difficult unless you got the buye.
I don't think a non Power four team could win
four games do what Ohio State just did or Notre
Dame attempted to do. I think it'd be really, really difficult.
I don't think either one could well. I think we

(39:50):
saw I forget, who does Cincinnati play. I watched them
in a bowl game and they got destroyed, So definitely
not them. South Carolina Gamecock fan and Spencer Rattler was
really good when he played for US, and I want
to see the game Cocks do good with all of

(40:10):
Derek Carr talk about being hurt this season, I think
that's complete BS. I think Albert Breer put out something today.
I saw it on Pro Football Talk that some of
it is in regards to he wants to trade he's
not happy with Kellen Moore. Derek Carr is not gonna
get a shoulder surgery and be out for the year.
I do not believe that for a second. I'm not
quite sure what's going on with him in the Saints.

(40:32):
I mean, they're paying him forty million dollars, but I
think that My guess is Derek carrs are starting quarterback.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would be a little shocked
if he's not. I don't think Spencer Rattler's I could.
I know he had a good year for you guys,
but I'm not sure he's an NFL starting quarterback, which

(40:54):
you transition to become a backup and be a good player.
But I don't know. I don't see that. One question
for the pod, if you and your future kids were
lucky enough to be great athletes, If your future kids
were lucky enough to be great athletes, what would you
prefer to be a dad of super Bowl winning quarterback,
Hall of Fame, hard hitting, dominant linebacker or defensive player,

(41:18):
major Masters winning golfer, Olympic winning sprinter, world champion, UFC fighter,
hall of Fame, NBA player. That's a good question, is
if I'm just rooting for their financial success. If you're
a Hall of Fame NBA player, you are basically a
lock to be worth minimum four hundred plus million dollars

(41:41):
if you have just a you know, even if you
got hurt like you're ten or eleven, like you were
going to make so much money. So in terms of
setting up my child financially, for his all children financially,
that is number one choice. You could be a Super
Bowl winning quarterback and you know, Nick Foles ended up

(42:03):
making a lot of money, But it doesn't guarantee that
you're like, you know, the top quarterback. It could just
be the circumstance though, that you become a pretty legendary
figure there. Winning sprinter, no chance, World champion, UFC fighter,
no chance, because really like there's a small small few
of like even the champions that have made huge money

(42:25):
and become stars. Like to me, Connor is a little
bit of an outlier for me selfishly, golfer, because if
you're a Master's winning golfer, you're just gonna be rich
and you're gonna have access to all these courses, which
gives you want to play with your dad. Now, you
could argue as a quarterback or an NBA Hall of Famer,
you probably would get similar opportunities. So it would be

(42:49):
one of those three. If I was just rooting for
his financial success, hall of Fame NBA player would have
to be number one. I think in terms of to
win the Asters or the super Bowl would be cooler
than being a Hall of Fame NBA player, though you
might not be as rich, but maybe I'm not. I

(43:09):
don't care about my son's financial outlook. Obviously he's not
hurting if he accomplishes that. So it would be one
of those three. My kids never playing in the NBA,
and more than likely is not only never playing in
the NFL. Definitely not a quarterback. So I would say
the thing that has the best opportunity UFC fighter, no chance, sprinter,
absolutely none. We're very we run flat footed in my family,

(43:32):
but bad bad foot athlete, not very fast. It would
golfs are our only opportunity. What are the Chiefs' biggest
glaring draft needs well, offensive line. You know you lose
Joe Thuni though I think the guy you drafted from
BYU that he started at left tackle. They're gonna put
a guard. You sign the dude from the Niners. But

(43:54):
he's a backup though, you know he can be a starter,
I think, but how good can he be? I don't
know Kenny end up playing left hand right tackle. I
think it's just offensive line to mean offensive line. I
also think, you know, this is a pretty good tight
end draft. Could you take a tight end to fill
in Kelsey's shoes because that is a position that is

(44:18):
very conducive for good quarterbacks. I mean, Lamar Jackson has
good tight ends, right, Josh Allen? What they do a
couple of years ago they drafted a tight end in
the first round. Now we'll see if kink how good
he turns out? And they got Dawson Knox. I mean
Patrick Mahomes. You know, with Tyreek leaving, I mean the
guy that he's going to be most synonymous with when
his career, at least the first half of his career

(44:39):
is Travis Kelcey. So tight end is quarterback's best friend.
You think about great quarterbacks too, you know Tom Brady Gronkowski,
Peyton Manning, Dallas Clark, and then when he went to
the who's his tight end with the Denver Broncos former
basketball player Julius Thomas. You have Elway Shan and Sharp,

(45:00):
Steve Young, Brent Jones, far of Chimura, Rogers always had
good guys, So it's like it's kind of an important position.
I would say tight end in theory. You know, for
she Rice healthy, you have a what's his name? The
wide receiver from Texas, Get some skill guys, draft another
running back. To me, it's offense. A big fan of

(45:23):
the show, as painful as it is, I'm a lifelong
Browns fan. To me, it's painfully obvious they should draft
Carter and take a flyer on a guy like Dart
or McCord later. But I think there's still a chance
they take Shador. Since the shit show that was the
Watson trade, there seems to be a massive cloud of
negativity surrounding them. Understandably, so in taking Shador seems like

(45:45):
it would get the vibes going in the right direction.
But I don't think that's the right approach. If they
do take him, do you think it's legit football reasons
or do you think they do it to help turn
the page. I think I saw a headline today that
some anonymous scout said that if Shador ends up going

(46:06):
in the first round, it's because an owner wants him.
I do think if you're head coach, who is also
your play caller in the brown situation, I think he's
the play caller. They give it up, like I can't
keep track of Stefanski in the play calling, but offensive
mine head coach, he should more than the GM get
the say on the quarterback. If I was a GM

(46:28):
in the NFL in my coach. It's one thing if
he's a defensive guy or CEO head coach, But if
it's my coach is one of these offensive guys, and
obviously Stefanski falls under that category. It's like you need
to have full conviction on the quarterback. So if he
does not, I would not if he wants him and
thinks he'd be good in the offense. It's why I think, like,
do I think Stefanski wanted Deshaun Watson? I don't. I

(46:52):
know that Jimmy has them, not that he didn't want
him for like one hundred and fifty million dollars, but
once it got out of control. I don't think the
Stefanski and the GM one. I think it was all
the owner. So if they drafted him, I just have
a hard time seeing, you know, a weaker arm quarterback though,
like they not that they have high expectations, but traded

(47:14):
for Kenny Pickett, who doesn't have a great arm. So
I don't know, I would be I doubt it happens.
I don't know why. It's just a gut from the outside.
I mean, it's it's hard to you never know, and
we get shocked. Not no one in a million year.
So Michael Pennix go to the Falcons, But that makes
some sense. Pennix doesn't have He actually has a strong

(47:36):
arm in terms of he can throw a deep ball,
but he doesn't have like Josh Allen Herbert just absolute howitzer.
But he plays in adult it's actually a good, really
good spot for him. I don't know if the AFC
north the weather. You know, Chador's arm is you know,
on the scale of like really strong and shitty is

(47:57):
somewhere kind of in the middle. To me, if you're Shador,
you would much rather go to like a Dome team.
You'd much rather go the Saints. What are the odds?
Cam Ward is a lesser version of Kyler Murray. I
think part of the Kyler package is that he's really short. Right.

(48:18):
If Kyler was cam Ward's size, I think he would
be a pro Bowl level guy. Part of what makes
gives Kyler limitations is hard for him to see. I
truly believe that he is. I mean, Kyler's a remarkable talent,
but if you gave him four or five inches now,
I'm not acting like he'd be Lamar Jackson, because who knows.

(48:40):
Maybe he doesn't quite have the feel, but I think
he would be dramatically better. So Kyler is an elite
runner and athlete. I don't know if cam Ward is that. Now.
Cam's got a big arm. I think he's a different
type player. I think he's much closer to like I'm
not comparing him to like the Mahomes, but Watson in

(49:03):
Houston like kind of a move around, make plays. He's
a lot different Kyler. I think was wondering what your
thoughts are on moving the draft too early to mid April.
It feels like it's been dragging on now for too
long a lot of coverage is becoming very boring and stale.

(49:24):
Do you think it would be a good idea to
move it earlier. I've never really thought about it. But
if you move it earlier, then what are we talking
about right now? And let's say it was a week ago, Like,
what are we talking about now? So it's like, I
think you can play that game till you're blue in
the face. Should we move this so we can talk
about it? It's like the draft talk always gets stale.

(49:46):
If there aren't a loaded quarterback class, you're only as
strong as your quarterbacks, and this doesn't have a strong
quarterback class. Plus, I just think in general, draft talk
always gets kind of boring. By April, we've been talking
about these guys out with the explosion of college football
for six months. What else were gonna say? They haven't
played a game in you know, almost half a year.

(50:06):
I mean some of these guys haven't played a game
since like early December. So you think in January, February, March, April,
and if all of December some of these guys are
four and a half five months away from actually putting
on pats. Think about that. I guess some of them
played in the Senior Bowl. But a question for the POD.
I know you aren't a huge fan of spring leagues,

(50:28):
but do you see any value in a developmental league
for the NFL. I was watching the UFL this weekend
to scratch my football edge and can't help but notice
a number of NFL guys Kellen mand Damon Arnette, and
a bunch of random dudes that had stints. It makes
me wonder if Trey Lance's career would have went different
if you got valuable reps early in his tenure to
be a better equipped for the NFL. Coaching wouldn't be

(50:50):
an issue either, since Ken Wizhunt, Mike Nolan, Wade Phillips,
I think the problem is I hear you, but like
let's say, after project in like the third or fourth round,
I'm not giving him to that league in the spring.
What if someone shatters his leg, I'm gonna try to
develop them. The problem is with the CBA, it's hard

(51:11):
to develop guys. But if I was the team, if
I own the team, or I was the coach or
the GM, I would never allow that player to go
play in this league because what if he tears ACL?
What if he gets injured? Like the the ROI is like,
oh yeah, he can improve, Well, what offense are they running?
Plus the owners are never going to pay for the league.

(51:36):
Why would they, They don't have to. College football does
that for him? So, like you listed some of these guys,
they're trying to keep their career going. I just I
hear what you're saying about Trey Lance, and I think
a lot of guys would benefit from being able to
do that. But it's never going to be available. This
isn't you know. In basketball, it's easy. It's like I

(51:56):
can draft a guy tenth overall and I just send
him to the G league. He's just playing basketball. The
likelihood of him there were the miners in baseball. Football
is not like that. And I just can't take the
risk of you shattering your shoulder because you're my second
round pick, but you're not ready. I needed to get
more reps and then all of a sudden you have
a major injury and then it doesn't even there is

(52:19):
no development you get. It ends up being a step back.
So I hear what you're saying. Okay, it's like And
also just because Mike Nolan and Wade Phillips, I think
what you do is you scout that league and maybe
some of those teams are running some similar concepts and
you see a guy that you kind of like and

(52:40):
you sign him. But I don't think you'd ever give
your guide to them. Forty nine or for life question,
what do we got to do to get Trevor? Lawrence
feels like Kyle, compared to his dad, never truly had
his quarterback. Trevor kind of been on life support playing
hero ball for the perennial shittyguars and paying Purdy will

(53:02):
be a mistake. We're in transition, haven't paid for a quarterback,
and it's before the draft. Honestly, blow this bleep up.
I think a quarterback like Trevor can elevate a mediocre
supporting cast. I'm out. I'm an out dog. Not that
he can't be a solid player, but he's under a
contract that pay him two hundred million dollars guaranteed. I

(53:24):
would not trade for the player. If I ever acquired
the player, it'd have to be for really, really cheap,
and given how much he makes, that's not possible. I
also think, like the difference of him and Party. I
know Purdy, there is no one has ever questioned ever,
how much football is his life? Obviously, you know Brock,

(53:47):
he's newly married and faith are a big part of
his life. But when you think Brock Purty, you think God, family, football.
When I think Trevor Lawrence, like is he all in,
I don't know, I mean, came out before the draft
like football is not ever. I'm sorry. That's a red
flag to me. I'm out. I just am and listen.
It's not all his fault. The organization is is chaotic,

(54:10):
but he has been extremely underwhelming given the hype where
Perdy has You know, I think Kobe Bryant said this
one time, like what would you want to be remembered
as like a talented overachiever? Like I want more Like
some of the best players in the league are also overachievers,
like TJ Watt, Fred Warner, Travis Kelce, Like I like

(54:33):
my talent to be overachievers. Like it feels like Trevor's
an underachiever. Now, if I can acquire him in a
couple of years for nothing, then yeah, I'm interested. But one,
they wouldn't trade him, and if they did, you'd have
to blow them away, and it's not worth the risk
giving how much money he makes I'd rather have party,

(54:53):
which is a problem because Perdy would go, I've been
better than him, and look how much money he got.
I want that, which, in fairness to him and his agent,
like they're not wrong. Panthers fan, during a rebuild with
a young quarterback, how heavy do you weigh the draft
decisions on offense versus defense? If you go offense, you
give Bryce more weapons to see full potential. If you
go defense, you're trying to not put as much pressure

(55:15):
on him. I guess the question is should you surround
a young quarterback with as much offensive talent as possible
or build the overall team and see if the young
quarterback has what it takes. I don't think there's a
right answer on this, because a great defense helps out
your offense. But as a young quarterback, if you don't
have pieces around you. Remember a couple of years ago, you, guys,

(55:36):
your talent on the team was awful, but an offense
was really bad. Well, last year you made some moves
for the offensive line. The offensive line, especially up the middle,
is good. You add Xavier Lagett, He's a talented player.
What pick you, guys, drafting like ninth or tenth? I
don't think there's a right or wrong answer. You've drafted
a left tackle pretty recently in that what's the guy's

(55:59):
name from NC State. I'll be honest, I can't really
tell you how he's played or you know better than me,
but I'm trying to see what pick that you guys
have eight. I think you can do whatever you want.
If you take a defensive lineman, won't blame you, right,
and that would be my guess. It's really really hard

(56:21):
to function if you do go offense, your offense gonna
be your defensive roster is not good, so there is
a lot of pressure on the defense to just be serviceable. Now,
you could also say, we'll see on the Atlanta Falcons.
I mean, I'm a Penix guy, but that organization always
lets you down. The Bucks are clearly good on offense,
and the Saints, who knows. I don't have a great

(56:44):
answer for you. I would just I would lean probably
defensive lineman. I think you're better off taking a defensive
lineman there and taking a skill guy in the second round.
That would be what I would be inclined to do.
I would take the best defensive lineman at pick eight,
and then I would take the best running back, the
best tight end, the best wide receiver, whatever in the

(57:05):
second round. That's probably That's how I'd be thinking. Potentially
a defense too. I don't know, but I would I
This is where GMS tell you can't draft for need.
So whatever your board says, who's the best player that's
on the board at pick eight, whoever goes one through seven,

(57:26):
whoever is your top graded player, take that and then
if all things are equal, you know lean line over.
I would say a wide receiver, because there's not a
wide receiver at eight. That's good enough in this draft
in my opinion. What's your take or assessment on the
late great Steve McNair. He doesn't get talked about much,
but in his prime he was a top five quarterback

(57:47):
Hall of Fame. This is a hard one because I
would say in his prime of his career, I was
in like junior high in high school, so I didn't
quite watch especially him specifically relative to how I would
now if he had played over the last fifteen twenty years.
I would say this. I do remember like him against
the Raiders, him against the Ravens. When I think Steve McNair,

(58:10):
the first thing I think about is toughness, Like he
had to be, pound for pound, one of the tougher
players in the league. I do not think it's random
that when he left the Titans, the Ravens signed him.
And when you think about the type guys the raven
sign like typically tough guys, Like when I and Ozzie
Knewsome's thing always was like, we like guys that in

(58:33):
our world play like a raven outside of the building,
and when they become available, we try to try to
acquire him and Kwan Bolden, Steve Smith Senior, Kalais Campbell.
Kalais Campbell played for the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
No, he's just back with h I think he did.
Now I'm questioning myself, how good is my NFL knowledge? Yeah,
he played for the Ravens a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Part of it is like in Steve McNair's time, he
played against you know, Paydon Manning, Tom Brady, two of
the best quarterbacks of all time. Farve was still around.
I don't know if he's quite a Hall of Famer,
but my standards for Hall of Fame. But he was
a badass. I mean he was. Steve McNair was sweet
and like I said, gotta be one of the pound

(59:19):
for pound tough for players in his generation. Any position, linebackers, linemen,
you name it, that is a tough You know what
Ben listen to this is enjoy the show. I need
to accept the NIL. I know we need to accept
the NAL, and I agree there needs to be some
sort of compensation with how much revenue the athletes generate.

(59:39):
But one thing I never hear is how it affects
the fans. Not knowing from year to year who will
be on the team is frustrating and makes me wane
a bit. Also, why do most media personalities always blame
the system when a player gets greedy? Nico, the player
is never held accountable. A lot of former players, I
would say, are on quote unquote these shows, and a

(01:00:00):
lot of media is just anti establishment, so that they
all are very predictable. It's why I don't consume most
of them, because you can give me every topic and
I already know their opinion before I even press play.
I would say, no one gets more disrespected in the
grand scheme of things in the business of sports than

(01:00:21):
the fans. The media are constantly talking shit to you.
You know, the former players always act like, pay everybody,
pay everybody, pay everybody. And this is I'm not necessarily
talking about college, but I hear you, the most important
people of this entire business are the fans. All this money,
all of it is because of them. And sometimes if

(01:00:43):
I remember saying that on Twitter one time, like five
years ago, and a bunch of people are like, no,
it's because of the TV networks. Well, no, shit, why
do you think they're willing to pay because people watch?
But I think the faster you realize that, you know,
the media one that there I would say understanding of business,

(01:01:04):
and I'm generalizing here, some understand but for the most part,
and I've been around some of these guys and a
lot of them actually they have no comprehension of how
the world works. Feels that they can feel a little
out of touch when it comes to business for a
group that covers a business. And I think there's a
difference of like, yeah, the NCAA sucks, everyone's been saying
that forever, and like these players are getting scammed and listen,

(01:01:27):
I like j Billis, but he said the same thing
for twenty years. When all the top players in college
basketball in the Internet era, we're getting hundreds of thousands
of dollars, Yeah, instead of getting four hundred grand under
the table. Could they have been worth millions? Yeah, but
he had like no one got any money. It was
just completely it was just bullshit. It was just not true,

(01:01:48):
and he knew it. Fuck his program was paying them,
which again I don't care, pay whoever you want, but
we can't pretend these guys were getting broken off. Even
Colin mentioned it the other day. Why did we act
like these kids weren't getting taken care of? Negros? Make
it two and a half million dollars. He threw one
touchdown against Florida, Bama, Georgia, Arkansas, and Ohio State. One

(01:02:11):
total touchdown. One. It's fucking embarrassing. The reason you go
to Tennessee, the reason you go to Bama, the reason
you go to LSU, the reason you go to Georgia.
You're gonna play Chattanooga State and McNee State and some
random program in uh September. But how about when the

(01:02:32):
lights get bright and Kirby and his squad rolls through,
Ryan Day and his squad rolls through, or Alabama shows
up and I know they beat Alabama. It was just
one touchdown. He threw, but it's like, bro, I'm gonna
need a little bit more. Can we get some fucking
touchdown throws? I mean, it's part of your negotiating. Poy.

(01:02:53):
I'd argue he was overpaid based on his performance. They
expected more. The reason they were in the playoffs was
not Nico. I don't think anyone would debate that. I
don't care what was the team that they beat, like
seventy to ten. No one gives a shit about that game, nobody.
It doesn't matter what you look like against Georgia, Florida,

(01:03:17):
Ohio State. You lost to Arkansas. So I just think
that all four paying these guys but not everyone is
always getting screwed. I just think that's their first reaction
you turn on some of these shows. Everyone's constantly getting
fucked bs. What about the guy that's screwing you? Like

(01:03:38):
Tennessee might have been like, can we get a rebate?
You notice that you never get your money back. The
Sons don't get their money back from Bradley Beal, who
tried less hard than I've ever seen any professional athlete
of any game I've ever been to. It was an
eye opening experience. This is what you get for fifty
million dollars. There has never been a business deal with

(01:04:02):
anyone else where. You've got less in return than the
people that have paid Bradley Beial over the last several years.
I mean, but no one will ever talk about like, yeah,
should he give like half his money back? Like because
in most of our industries, if you have a dispute
like you go to court and you start arguing over like, yeah,
this is not worth that I got screwed here, never

(01:04:24):
happens that way. No one goes, hey, hey, Nico, that
four million dollars we've paid you for the last two years,
can we get two of those back now that you're
leaving because we didn't think he lived up to the hype.
You couldn't pay anyone on television to say that. Yet
that's how the fans think. I think. The faster you
when you realize as a fan that most, especially the
traditional media, they kind of hate you, They really do.

(01:04:47):
They don't really like you. They look down upon you.
And the faster you realize it, the easier it is
to turn off their shit. Why so many of them
are holding on for dear life. Thank you for coming
to my Ted talk and have a great day, see it,
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