3 & Out - Notre Dame takes down Indiana, Mailbag - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing?
I thought I'd do a little Saturday mail bag, but

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I also I recorded the mail bag during the day,
but I waited till Notre Dame absolutely beat down the Hoosiers.
Don't let the twenty seven to seventeen score fool you,
So I did a little recap of what we all
just witnessed. Notre Dame now headed to play Georgia. I
want to say the Semis, but it's actually the quarterfinals.

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It's hard to keep up with everything in this new
playoff format. But we got three more games tomorrow as
well as NFL games, so we'll stuff up on YouTube,
probably have a podcast out combined the two of them
as well for Sunday. We've got so much content. The
games on Sunday are not great. Saturday actually is dramatically
better than Sunday. So I thought, you know, it's right

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around Christmas time, so we're gonna chill a little next week.
We might as well grind it hard, and want to say,
grind it hard, watch football and talk about it. So
I was actually really excited to watch this game. The pregame,
you could argue, was cooler than the actual game, but
for Notre Dame fans, you should be fired up. That's
a big win. Get a playoff win from Marcus Freeman.
And the little story that it was Indiana that we

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will have to we might have to just talk about
right off the bat because that was bad and in
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to start tonight. You know this. Obviously, Notre Dame is
one of the biggest brands in all of sports, college
or pro. There's something powerful about the helmets. Just when
you see that gold kind of shining in the light.

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How cool it was. And listen before we get negative
on anything, this playoff is awesome. This home field game
at Penn State at Notre Dame at Ohio State at
Texas is badass. The only people to get kind of
screwed are these teams with a bye because of the

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power of these New Year six Bowls that they also
don't get a home game. If I was commissioner or
czar of this entire thing, I would figure out a way.
One I would expand it to sixteen teams and every
single team, whether you play in the first round or
get that home field by or you know, the first
round by, you get a home game. That was very,

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very powerful. My buddy was there. He kept sending me pictures.
Looked awesome. It's a special atmosphere. These college teams are
used to getting home games in the middle of December,
let alone late December or January first. So I'm pro
Rose Bowl and pro the Orange Bowl, like I like
some of the Bulls. We can save that till the
semi finals, and I think we got to find a

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way to have this happen more often. Because game day
leading up on campus was sabing there dudes kicking the
field goal with McAfee the lead in for like ten
minutes before kickoff, the band playing it was awesome, Like,
sign me up. We're all on board with home playoff

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games now before we get to Notre Dame and they
get a big win, they're off to play Georgia. We
will dive into their potential hopes not just against Georgia,
but for the rest of this tournament. One of the
biggest stories all year was Indiana, and I think we
have to separate two things because in a vacuum, their
season wasn't credible. They won eleven games. Go to their

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Football Reference record page. They had never won double digit games.
They said at the beginning of the kickoff, No program
in like Power five Division one history has had less
success than Indiana. So what Signetti and the program accomplished
on a historic basketball program was awesome. I don't care

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who you're playing. You could be playing the Sisters of
the Poor, the School of the Blind, Eastern Illinois, Nebraska,
doesn't matter. You win eleven games in Indiana, that is awesome.
And then I think we have to factor in. We're
in this college football playoffs and we're not looking for
cute stories. We're not looking for this is awesome. Let's

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give them a shot. We're looking for the best teams.
And in the NFL, even if you play in a
crappy division, you play another division from the other conference,
and you also play another division from your own conference.
So it's also it's almost unavoidable that you're playing a
handful of really good teams and if you end up

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with nine to ten wins or obviously more, it's impossible
to not have a couple good wins on your schedule.
Plus everybody in the pros is wait for it, a
pro and I think there's become this big discodec because
everyone views the SECS as like the football elites. You
can't talk any sense into them. They just believe to

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their soul that they are dramatically better than everyone else.
And based on recent history, the NFL Draft, national championships,
and success in the playoffs, I think it speaks for itself.
But like we have lumped in the Big ten with
the SEC almost like they are equals now with the
SEC adding Oregon obviously that is a massive addition, one

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of the better programs in the country over the last
twenty years. But on the whole, the teams Indiana was
beating this year, no one cares that you destroyed Nebraska, honestly,
and listen, Signetti is I like big personalities in sports.
They're fun to talk about, they're fun to watch, they
create a lot of fun storylines, but football at that level,

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at obviously the NFL level, are extremely difficult. It's why
I would say the two best NFL coaches of my
adult life don't really talk that much shit when they're
coaching about anyone else. Andy Reid and Bill Belichick. If anything,
they're the opposite. They build you up. They could be
playing a winless team. Belichick was classic for this, and

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if they're playing a really good team, they act like
they're the greatest things since sliced bread. And even in college,
Saban was very careful with his words. Kirby, while very emotional,
very hesitant to like shit. On another program, Signetti coaching
at Indiana, runs around like he's Bear Bryant meets Bill

(08:04):
Walsh combined with Vince Lombardi. And I'll promise you this
next year. I google their schedule. They're playing Penn State,
Iowa and Oregon on the road. These teams in that
conference are going to be looking to beat the living
crap out of him because he never shuts up. Great season,

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incredible story. He had no business being in this game.
He really didn't. And one thing we learned tonight, and
I think anyone with a brain that has followed. The
sport records aren't all equal, and trying to compare records
in college football is kind of stupid. How could anyone
compare Boise States record of playing a Mountain West schedule

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to Ole Miss or South Carolina's records playing an SEC schedule.
It's like comparing apples to cheeseburgers in Indiana. Through ninety
five percent of this game, they didn't have one hundred
and fifty yards of offense with five minutes left to
go in this game. And Notre Dame's good and who knows,
maybe they could beat Georgia, but that's not exactly lou

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Holtz Notre Dame team. I would imagine this team's not
as good as I'm a Brian Kelly's Notre Dame team.
It's a good team, but that was JV vers varsity. Immediately,
it reminded me a little bit of the Bears Vikings
game from Monday Night Football. I would say less than
ten minutes into actual play of the game, you knew
right away they have no chance to win the game.

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And in games like this, I always laugh when people
on social media was like, I can't believe he putted
down seventeen points. Like, guys, nothing he does matters, absolutely nothing.
It's like they got a really good quarterback. Well, yeah,
he looks good playing Minnesota at home in September. How
does he look against Ohio State or Notre Dame. He
looks like a guy like his brother, probably headed to

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the CFL. And there's nothing wrong with that. Had a
great season. You can make decent money in the CFL.
But like when he plays real teams, does look like
a high end college quarterback, let alone an NFL prospect.
I like mel Kuiper, having them six on your big
board seems a little bold to me. And the team speed,
the athletes, and that's what when people that argue about

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the SEC are simply saying, on a weekly basis, even
if we're playing a seven win team, they got three
or four guys on defense alone that are gonna be
drafted in the top four rounds. Two defensive linemen, a
linebacker in a safety, and those guys are hitting our
players on a snap in, snap out basis. That is
different than playing a team with maybe one draftable player

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that's a right guard. It's not the same. And I
think Indiana tonight moving forward will really impact teams. If
it doesn't look like they've beaten anybody, No one's gonna
give a shit what your record is, you know why,
because it does not matter, and there has to be
some level level of eye test. Are they good enough?

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Do they have any chance to compete? Right? Do they?
It's much different in the NCAA Tournament with college basketball,
because we allow sixty four teams in. So even if
you go, is this team really that good? Who cares
their seventh seed? When there's only twelve teams going and
obviously five teams because of automatic qualifiers get in, there

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aren't that many at large bids, and everyone was making
this big deal. It's like, how could how are we
even discussing Alabama or South Carolina with their you know,
with their three losses or two losses or whatever. It's like, guys,
just watch the talent on one team and watch the
talent on the other team. I just looked at the
top twenty five, and once you pass Indiana and you

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get out of the top the teams in the dance Alabama,
they're better than Ole, Miss is better. South Carolina is better,
Missouri is better. They didn't play Illinois this year. I
would bet on Illinois straight up against Indiana. Colorado, who's
barely in the top twenty five, is a better team

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than Indiana simply because they have better players. Their quarterback
top five guy, their best player, top five guy. They
have two guys on their team their top five draft
picks easily could go number one and two in the draft.
I'm watching Indiana, like, do they got a guy going
in the first two rounds? Meanwhile, Notre Dame they have

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a rotational pass rusher Bryant Young, who is a special
place in my heart because when I was a kid,
the forty nine ers could not beat the Cowboys. And
then in nineteen ninety four they drafted a defensive tackle
from Brigham Young or from Notre Dame. And he came
and his name was Brian Young, and now his sons
at Notre Dame. And he's six foot seven and comes

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off the edge. You're like, holy shit, that guy's got
a chance to be a first rounder. Promised you that
he'd get drafted right now, just off as measurables. It's like,
you think Indiana has a guy like that on their team,
let alone all the starters, all the stalwarts for this
you know program, the last couple of years, Notre Dame
every single years pumping guys in the league. Indiana is
the worst program in the history of college football. And

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this is why, Well, it's like, how can we look
at what's happened in previous years? Now? Obviously that has
become more difficult with the transfer portal, with the movement.
But if like this program every year is pumping out
x number of players in the top three rounds to
the NFL Draft, that has to matter because this game,
especially college football, it's about the x's and the o's,

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But on Saturdays, it's a lot about the Jimmy's and
the Joe's and how many guys on Indiana would start
for Notre Dame. And it's not like I'm balls deep
into every single roster in college football. But I can
watch a couple games. I can watch Indiana play four games.
I can watch Notre Dame play four games and have
a pretty good idea. I would imagine everyone's sitting on

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their couch goes, yeah, they've maybe got a couple guys.
So out of the twenty two starters, how many of
the twenty two guys on Indiana would go to Notre
Dame who is probably like you know, we're gonna find
out against Georgia, a fringe top ten eight team in
the country. I think if you were being aggressive, you
would say five, probably have a couple of defensive lineman,

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they clearly have a solid defense. Offensively, can't be many.
And if you're being conservative, you can say like two
or three. That's an enormous talent discrepancy. And what we
just had to witness was because like they factored in
and Sean McDonough and I'll give him credit in slow games,

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and he used to do this on Monday Night football.
He can turn the broadcast into a podcast and he
can just start slinging takes and he essentially, I thought,
summed it up perfectly, Like we need to stop assuming
there are two power Conferences, right, because in the last
twenty years there's been one. And that's the SEC. That

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doesn't mean on given years the Big ten is not
really good. Good last year is a good example at
their peak, like Ohio State and Michigan go toe to
toe with anybody. But this year, like we'll find out,
they got potentially two really good teams, maybe three, But
let's not act like they go five six deep, and
their middle and their bottom is simply not nearly as

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good as the middle of the SEC when it comes
to talent on the roster. So being seven and five
in the SEC and being seven and five in the
Big Ten, those are not equals. Just like going nine
and three in the Mountain West and going six and
six in the SEC. It doesn't mean just because the
team's got nine wins, it's way more impressive than going

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six and six. We're playing a we're hiking two different
mountains here. One person's hiking Everest, the other guy's hiking
the hill in their backyard. That doesn't mean that playing
football is not hard. That doesn't mean that Indiana shouldn't
be proud of their season. But I think we learned
a lesson really quick. Indiana had no business being in
this dance none. And that was as easy of a

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game as they could have. They had a fucking bus
ride to the stadium and they got molliwopped. That was embarrassing.
You look at if you didn't watch the game, you
look at the final score like, ah, a probably decent game. No,
it was terrible. It was awful. It was really really bad,
And I don't think Indiana should be embarrassed. They are

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who they are. They've played two good teams and they
got worked in both of them. And we all of us,
because there's so much hype leading in because they had
created this like fraudulent standing, we kind of were like, ah,
so could something happen? And then obviously nothing did. And
on the flip side, Notre Dame Like, if this was
the NFL and let's say they were in the AFC

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and they had a couple of home games or every
team they were gonna play was gonna be in cold weather,
I'd say they could beat a lot of teams. I'd say, honestly,
they could compete for a national champion. I'm not saying
they could win it, but what they do well does work.
They have two really good running backs. They ran for
I think almost two hundred yards a night. Now. One
of the runs he actually took the hand off like

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two yards deep, but it was a ninety eight yard run,
but he ran like one hundred and four yards. It
was sweet. But they're gonna be able to run for
should be able to run for one hundred yards against
good teams or just could have some success on the
ground and Defensively, they're really good. They have a really
good defensive line. Obviously they got feistydb's. They're well coached,

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they're physical, they're tough. Like that translates and in games
in the teams or the twenties or it's hard to
throw the ball around. I would say they have a
very good chance. The problem is is their next game
is in New Orleans in a dome against Georgia, so
it does neutralize the strength obviously they were playing. I mean,

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comparing Indiana to Georgia would be like comparing an NFL
team to modern day high school in southern California, who's
obviously really good. But I was pretty impressed. I think
they're pretty solid. If they can play their way, their
one downfall is gonna be And there was a lot
of hype on this player coming in, and he seems

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like an incredible guy. He's obviously a really tough motherfucker.
I mean, you watch the way the guy compeatch. He's
just a fantastic kind of playmaker runner. Can't he throw
the ball well enough? And they obviously went all in
on him. They paid him a lot of money. His
numbers don't look terrible tonight twenty three to thirty two,
had a couple of nice deep passes, made some nice

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plays on the run throwing the ball. I just don't
know if he's gonna be a good enough passer to
beat the GEORGIEA defense. Now there's a big wild card.
Kirby Smart was on game day and basically acknowledge, like
Carson Beck. You know, in college football, unlike the pros,
you don't have to there's no injury reports, so you

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could be very mysterious about what's going on, like did
he get the brock Purdy UCL injury? Is he for
the season? Is he not? Kirby Smart essentially I would
say acknowledge like, yeah, he's gone. He's not here anymore,
like his season's over. We'll find out more and more
as we get closer to the combine, like what the
hell is going on Schefter and those guys. I'm sure

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we'll break the news sooner than later. But playing a
backup quarterback, you never know. Now, Indiana's defense is solid
and it's actually it's actually not bad at all. George's
defense on a completely different level, and when they bring
their a game as we've seen, you know against Texas,
They're gonna be tough, So can Notre Dame run the

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ball effectively against them? Can they pass it well enough
to just keep them honest? But that is a fantastic game.
I mean that this tonight was underwhelming. I mean, I'm
glad and happy that we all experienced the first night
of the playoffs at Notre Dame felt cool, felt big.
But Indiana playing a part in that was a little

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bit of a letdown. Georgia Notre Dame is a fantastic
game on paper. I also think it's a big game
for Notre Dame, right. I would say, in the Brian
Kelly era, up until this upcoming game, they've had some
of these moments and it felt like they've shun't come
up a little short. This would be as big of

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a win as I can remember. To beat Kirby Smart,
to beat Georgia. Obviously, Georgia gets the extra rest, even
with the backup quarterback. I mean, George's got three or
four guys on defense that are gonna go I don't know,
in the top thirty picks and Notre Dame. I was
impressed because the toughness, the defense, the running game, Love's

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run was sweet, the crazy thing is he had a
ninety eight yard run and he had one hundred and
eight yards total on eight carries, So it's always good.
I thought McElroy had a good point. He's like coaches
love doing you know, if you just take out that
one run, we did a pretty good job, right, if
you remove that one run. Notre Dame actually ran for

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under one hundred yards. But that's not the way it works, right,
It's like, no, that run actually happened, and that was
seven points. That's part of the total. It's like, well,
if we just didn't have the two go routes that
Randy Moss took for a total of one hundred and
forty yards, you know, we would have done pretty wellid defense, Well,
those two things happened, So I'm fired up for that

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game already. I came in actually parlaid Notre Dame tonight.
With the three games tomorrow, I took Penn State, I
took Clemson money line, and I took Tennessee. I think
I took Tennessee in the points. Also, I got a
little bowl. I had like one hundred bucks left. I
think I also threw the Texans plus three and a half,
so we got a long way to go, but we're

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one down, four to go. But nice win for Notre Dame.
Cool moment in Indiana. Nice knowing you, I would say
if you go six and six next year, I'd be impressed.
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Speaker 1 (23:38):
Okay, let's do a little mailbag. Ad John Middlecoff is
the Instagram fire in those dms. Get your question answered
here on this little thing called the powedcast. Okay, start
with UH with a question if you had to pick
one player from this draft class to be in the
Hall of Fame, who would it be? Personally? I would
say alt, with an honorable mention for Bowers. I think

(24:01):
the hard part about skill guys. You know Bowers neighbors
Rome running backs whoever is so much as out of
their control. You know, Bowers, for as awesome as he is,
what if his quarterback play for like the first five
years of his career as a disaster. It's hard to
overcome that to get true great and stuff. If you
told me Bowers was playing with like Herbert, I'd be like,

(24:22):
hell yeah, I would say Alt is a pretty good choice.
I would say Mitchell, the Eagles corner has a chance
to be pretty freaking good. You know, like a four
or five six time All Pro. One of the defensive linemen,
whether it's first, whether it's Dallas Turner, Byron Murphy, one

(24:46):
of those guys I think could be pretty good. But
I like your ALT pick. I would probably go with
the corner Mitchell for the Eagles because some of those guys,
like if you're an elite offensive tackle or an elite corner,
you can overcome no matter what, even a quarterback, like

(25:07):
what if Cliff Kingsbury leaves and that derails Jaden bo Nicks.
It's so hard with quarterbacks. But he's his coach is
going to be there, you think for a while. Last
mail bag, you had a question about your gym routine.
I was wondering if I wrote you up a routine,
if you'd give it a shot for a few months
and see how you liked it. I played low level

(25:29):
college football, and once I was done, I shifted my
focus to lifting. Since I didn't need to block defensive
ends anymore, I wanted to lose some weight. I lost
twenty pounds in six months and kept my strength. Let
me know if you'd be interested. Yeah, shoot me my email.
You send me some circuits, I'll bang those out. I'm

(25:51):
just looking to tighten up the bod, not looking to
you know, deadlift, heavy weight or anything. But fire me,
fire me an email for the bag. If Kyle could
have a do over, do you think they would have
elected to roll with Darnold over Purty. I understand they
went to the Super Bowl last year, but we saw

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Tomlin bench fields this year at four and one. It
feels like a whiff that they had seem in the
building now. I mean, brock Purty is in a different universe,
and brock Perty's better player. Russell Wilson like the Steelers
would die to have brock Purty. I think if they
had a do over, what they would have done is
Brandon Ayuk would not be on this team. They would

(26:34):
have traded Brandon Ayuk around the draft, and even if
that meant like they didn't want to eat not getting
a first round pick, I think if they could do
it over again, they would have traded him for a
second and a third round pick and freed up their
money and given them a lot more flexibility. I think
that's one move that they would like to do over
because that thing became just a disaster situation for them.

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And my guy Kawakami who Kyle and John and that
organization Wow, who covers the forty nine Ers and the Warriors,
and a Berry guy, he said they will never go
through that again. And that was an experience of like
talking to a wall. You know. I think any one
of you listening with little kids when you're trying to
reason with a little kid, and it's just it's like,

(27:18):
what this is pointless? That's what I think it felt
like with the forty nine Ers dealing with Brandon Ayuk, Like, Bro,
we're offering you a lot of money. What are we
doing these fake trades that you keep saying no to?
It was a low level negotiation, it really was, and
I think they regret it. They really do. And I'm
not even talking about the injury. You can never know.

(27:39):
Who knows. He might never be the same, and even
if he's fully healthy, I just think, why are you
paying that guy that much money? It didn't make that
much sense to me at the time. He's never going
to catch more than seventy five eighty balls in your offense.
I just at least Debo in theory was a very

(28:00):
pal player when they extended them and could do a
lot like I don't know, I just invest in the
line of scrimmage. I went to UC Davis. I can't
believe you grew up in that college town. I don't
know how old you are. But when I go back,
and I'm actually flying back on Monday for the week
and then we'll come back on Saturday, the town and

(28:22):
maybe it's when you're growing up. There's a youthful naivete.
There's just you're not really thinking about life when you're thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
like you do as you age. You're just trying to
play football, hang out with your buddies, you know, Chase,

(28:43):
some babes, just trying to enjoy hang out, have your
parents off your back, you go back in the town
seems a lot different, you know. I honestly, when I
go back to downtown Davis, it feels a lot different
than the town that I grew up in. Now. Granted,
I graduated high school in two thousand and three, so

(29:03):
I mean we're talking in twenty years is a long
long time, and I haven't lived there since I left
high school to go to college. But it definitely feels
dramatically different. But yeah, it was a cool place to
grow up. I'm curious what your thoughts are on a
blockbuster trade. The Bengals trade Burrow for Hurts and some picks,

(29:26):
similar to what the Rams did with goth and Stafford.
Howie Roseman seems like he's always looking to improve. I mean,
the Eagles move on from Wentz, Foles Doug Peterson pretty
damn quick. Plus I assume Burrow is getting tired of
the Bengals. There's just Howie would do that trade so fast,

(29:47):
he would drive Jalen Hurts to Cincinnati. That the Bengals
are not trading Joe Burrow. It makes no sense for
them to trade Joe Burrow. I mean, they got into
a knockdown, drag out with Carson Palmer years ago and
he had to sit out. It's just not gonna happen.
I'll not now, I'm not saying ever, but he's he's

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gonna be on the Bengals. He just is talking in
twenty twenty five if you were, can you imagine being
a Cincinnati Bengal fan and trading Joe Burrow for shitty
as this season is and it sucks, technically, they're still
alive a pretty big game coming up against the Broncos. Actually,
I kept acting like the Broncos are a lock playoff team.

(30:29):
They do need to probably win one of these last
two games if Cincinnati wins out, But like you can't
even entertain if you would even entertain that you should
sell the franchise, which is stupid. They're not going to
sell the franchise, but you know what I mean, Like,
he's just you don't trade he's the best. I think

(30:50):
he's the most talented player they've ever had. Now the
Broncos finished with Cincinnati in a week, now, they get
that extra rest and Cincinnati play who they play this week,
the Browns, So I think Denver could really If Denver
loses that game, they're in pretty good shape. If Joe
Burrow was available, I don't even think you can. I

(31:14):
don't think any of us can fathom the aggression by
the NFL, and I mean individual teams, general managers and
coaches to get in on that. That would be like, uh,
it'd be like you know Yatis is available, right, or
you know, like when Otani or Juan Soto was available

(31:37):
and like five teams were lined up to pay six
hundred and fifty to seven hundred million dollars, that would
be the equivalent of a trade. It may be hard
to predict, just because a lot depends on coaching and quarterback.
But who do you think the next great dynasty in
the NFL? Like the Patriots beside the Chiefs, some might
consider the Chiefs of dynasty. And I agree, if they

(32:00):
win it this year, well they already got a mini dynasty.
They've been to four Super Bowls and whatever six years
they've won three of them. They are currently the number
one overall seed. I mean it's them, their coach, quarterback,
their general manager, their infrastructure is not going their defensive coordinator.
They're just not gonna go away now, not every year.

(32:22):
They're going to be thirteen twelve and one or the
number one seed some one year, they're gonna be eleven
and six. I think they were last year and they
want to like they just they are the dynasty. Like
there is no other even remotely close team in a conversation.
So I think it's just them. We're in the middle
of their dynasty, which is cool. Longtime listener, lifelong Eagles fan.

(32:49):
Although I'm not the biggest Siriani guy, I'm wondering why
he seems to be treated more and fairly by the
media and the league than other coaches. So many are
quick to say what does he do no one hand,
while totally glazing the other leader of men CEO type
coaches like Harbaughs, Campbell, EGC. I just don't think the
media are quick to dump all the blame on him

(33:13):
and none of the credit for the team's achievement. It
can't be both. Fact is he's forty six to nineteen
as the Eagles coach and has them on the franchise's
longest winning streak after being on the hot seat, and
he's not even remotely in the discussion for Coach of
the Year. I think his awkward personality may just be
off putting. Yeah, I think there are a lot of factors.

(33:35):
I think last year was pretty glaring. I think anytime
he's a pretty big front runner, at least he was
before this year. And I think that rubbed a lot
of people the wrong way. There were articles like the
quarterback wouldn't even talk to him last year. It doesn't
feel like he was behind Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio.

(33:59):
Right organization hired them. I would also say the organization
when you say, like Howie and Jeffrey Lurie almost feel
bigger than the coach. Right, Like they had Doug Peterson
and they won a Super Bowl and they be Bill
Belichick and Tom Brady and then they ran him out
of town. And I like Doug a lot, Like he's

(34:20):
been very cool to me. I enjoy Doug Peterson. Anyone
that knows Doug likes Doug. But like, watch him in Jacksonville.
He's not very good. Like if you remove Sirianni from
the infrastructure that Luriy and Howie provide and put him
on the Giants, it no one has any faith that
he knows what he's doing. I think, and when I

(34:43):
say knows what he's doing, I meant like, is the
guy driving this bus. Does he do something for sure?
Obviously he leads the team meeting, talks the guys of practice,
calls up the huddle after a win. But I think
you know Harbaugh his Let's use Jim Harbaugh like it's

(35:04):
tangible what he does. We've seen him six different places,
they all win big. Just look at the Thursday night game.
Jim Harbaugh's impact is undeniable Michigan, Stanford, Niners, San Diego,
now the Chargers. Like it's honestly pretty crazy how good
he is. And then you watch Jon Payton. There's just

(35:25):
also no denying what he does. It's like, well, he
calls the offensive game and he coaches the quarterback. And
I think you go around like Dan Campbell brought life.
You use people use Campbell as an example here, it's
like he took over the Lions. Do you know how
insane that is? To take over the Lions and have
them this good, this fast. It's one of the craziest

(35:48):
things I've ever seen in sports. Hey, John, I wanted
to give your heads up. The word salacious does not
mean what you think it means. I've been hearing you
use it a lot. Here's the definition having or conveying
undo or inappropriate interest in sexual manners. The context I've
heard of you is the guy took a salacious hit.
Woody Johnson's story was salatious, not trying to be the

(36:09):
Voca Police, but wanted to give you a heads up. Well,
the I hear what you're saying. We could have used
a better adjective there than silatious. The Woody Johnson Mike
White was naked in the shower and slamming his helmet,
and that's when Woody was saying that you should slam
your helmet. You suck. We could use a different word

(36:33):
for big hits. But I hear what you're saying. Yeah, listen,
I'm not acting. I'm not your typical big jay here.
Well read yeah. I don't know if that's something someone
would put right in front of my name. Probably should
read more. I use your game time code to buy
tickets to Jerry's World to see Baker play Sunday Night Football.

(36:54):
I'm a lifelong Sooner fan and this will be the
first time I get to say see Baker play live. I
had a cop for Baker. I was curious to hear
your opinion of I told my friends recently that I
thought he is an upgrade version of Jeff Garcia. He's
a little bit thicker with a stronger arm. They both
have ended up in Tampa after bouncing around their first

(37:17):
successful spot, and even have close to the same career record.
Baker just passed Garcia in career touchdown passes this past weekend,
which I didn't even know until I looked it up.
But I also was curious to hear your thoughts on
your opinion on the question. I tuned into Cleveland media
periodically to hear them cope about Baker's success, and they

(37:37):
still say he was a bust. What do you think
the number one draft pick has to achieve? Not to
Baker Mayfield is one million percent not a bust. You
can't be a bust when you signed second contracts for
one hundred million dollars. I mean, I mean busts are Leaf,
Achille Smith, JaMarcus Russell. I mean it's guy Trey Lance.

(37:59):
It is just guy that just you know, whether it's
character stuff or whether it's ability, just can't play in
the NFL. I mean, Baker Mayfield's about to lead a
team back to back years of the playoffs. Baker Mayfield's
a really good player. I mean Jeff Garcia. I do
think their styles are a little different. I would say
Jeff Garcia. Trying to think of a Jeff Garcia comp

(38:22):
Jalen Hurts not perfect. Jeff Garcia was like a movement,
run around, make throws guy. I felt kind of undersized,
not a huge arm. It's kind of a gamer. So
he does have some similarities to Baker. Their play is

(38:43):
very salacious, not just kidding. Well, talk about Cleveland. That's
a salacious story. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I
don't even know what the question Cleveland. Sometimes I think
you see this a lot, like when a guy leaves
a company or people break up that they go on

(39:06):
somewhere else to start their own thing, or go work
for someone else and have a lot of success, maybe
more success that they previously had at their old spot
or that. You know. You see this a lot. You
know on Instagram, someone breaks up with someone two people
you know, and then she like starts dating this really
successful guy and maybe they get married and like have kids.

(39:28):
You're like, damn shit. But maybe there those actions are
independent of each other. It was like the previous relationship
was not going to work. So whether she went and
dated the next Jeff Bezos or dated you know, the
local plumber. Shout out to plumber, I actually probably need
one right now. My water pressure's kind of weak. But

(39:51):
like it had nothing to do with the like that
relationship had to end. And once something ends, you don't
control what happens to them. It's no different football. It's
like if the if a guy's playing for me in
the NFL, you see this, I guess now in college too,
with the transfer portal and I'm going to cut you
or I'm going to tell you, like you're not going

(40:12):
to play here. You should hit the transfer portal. You
might go on and become an incredible player, and there's
nothing I can do about it. It was like you
weren't It wasn't working out here. And sometimes you know,
whether it's freedom, whether it's a newfound perspective you're able
to uh, I don't know, like you know, get like

(40:32):
a new lease on life, and then opportunities that wouldn't
have arose previously are available. So I think the Baker thing,
like Kim in Cleveland just weren't going to work after
a while, Like it had to end. Now they didn't
have to give Deshaun that money, but they did. Would
you agree that Herbert is today's version of Stafford? I

(40:53):
say this because everyone knows the difference between a football
and a ball. Gown can see that he's a talented
and very good quarterback. Because he because of lack of
coaching in front office and aptitude, he hasn't had success.
I would say the main difference is is Stafford never

(41:14):
got his Jim Harbaugh, and now that he gets his
Jim Harbaugh. I would anyone be shocked if, in like
you know, three or four years, that team is in
the playoffs, unless there's some salacious story that comes out
that derails everything. Thanks for the Game Time plug. I
was always able to score tickets to see whatever is

(41:35):
left of Lincoln Park that spring for a hell of
a deal Mike Shee was going to see in Lincoln Park,
which I'm glad. Thanks for using the promo code. Well,
I guess game time, thanks you, but we appreciate that
you know the transaction, I mean part of Lincoln Park,
I mean not having Chester. Isn't that, you know, kind
of the key to the band. But hope they were

(41:57):
good mail back question, I want to know your thoughts
on the Lions' chances to win the Super Bowl are
truly over due to injuries. It looks like they're planning
on getting some significant players over the coming weeks and
throughout the playoffs. They do seem like a show of
themselves defensively with losing Davis and McNeil, but they should
be getting Jalen Reeves Maven back for the Bears, as

(42:19):
well as another dB with Angeloni coming back as well
for the playoffs. I'm not a huge I think you
got to be careous. It's one thing it's like, hey,
this guy's gonna be back in a week or two, okay, right,
and then some of those like hey this guy could
be back for the second round or the NFC, Like
that's a pretty big question mark when you have a

(42:40):
guy like coming back off a hamstring or an injury
that's now been three or four weeks and he's gone.
And then some of these he should make it back
for the playoffs, and that's a Hutchinson thing, like maybe
he could make the NFC ship maybe, But I don't know.
I mean, I think that it's really really hard to

(43:00):
overcome what they're having to overcome. I think the best
case scenario for them, and it's going to be difficult
because I mean, they're just you know, the Vikings control
their own destiny. Now, granted, the Lions play the Vikings,
but that number one seed is pretty big. I would
say it means more to them than anybody because of
how many guys are on the shelf love the pod tonight.

(43:22):
I'm a lifelong Chargers fan, and this was one of
the best wins that I can remember. I agree it
was pretty big time, partly because as a Chargers fan
and those of us that live on the West Coast
that watch so many of their games over the last
like two decades, I guess some of the LT Rivers
teams were closing the deal in a lot of games.

(43:43):
But it does feel like the second half of Rivers
career and then the Herbert run was just filled with
games like last night, because every game they play in
for like twenty years is relatively close in the regular season,
and the Anthony Lynn McCoy and then Brandon Staley, like god,

(44:06):
they lost a lot of them. This is a strange question.
Can I work for free for you, just as simple
as sending you stat breakdowns or anything like that I
have two kids in no life other than football watching.
I spend eight hours a day, twelve hour shift watching football.
I appreciate you reaching out, Zach sounds like you watch

(44:30):
a lot of football. I just really don't need anything
right now. That's you know. I get asked that question
a lot. I just there's not many needs I have. Honestly,
maybe it'since I should read the Websters a little more.
My dad would be not proud of my ability to

(44:50):
nail a vocabulary word. I was wondering how you would
approach this upcoming draft if you were the GM of
the Chargers. Uh. I think you have to look at
their defensive line. Khalil Mack still looks pretty good. I
mean he last night against Now granted mclinchy, when you

(45:15):
get on I mean Bosa Smoke McGlinchey. The crazy part
about McGlinchey is he's gonna be a twelve year starter
where he if he's healthy, he literally starts for just
five year starter for the forty nine ers. He's gonna
start every game for Sean Payton and he'll have made
one hundred million dollars. And there is no one I
have less confidence if he's one on one in a

(45:37):
passing down, you know, second and a third and long
against a higher end pass rusher, it feels more likely
that you're gonna get a watch out right. He's got
a lot of lookout blocks, and he had one last
night when Bosa smoked him. But I do think both
those guys. Obviously, Joey Bosa is younger than Khalil. It's
kind of crazy that Khalil Mack has been in the

(46:00):
NFL for eleven years. Makes me feel really old, and
he was like a fifth year guy coming out of Buffalo.
Joey boss is twenty nine. I bet Khalil is thirty two.
At least Khalil is thirty three. So I mean, you
got two guys a lot of wear and tear. You know,
I think defensive line, pass rusher dB. I think defense,

(46:25):
and then I think Harbaugh is going to draft a
running back on the second day because there are some
sweet running backs, and you know, I think ideally what
he had in Blake Korum at Michigan, what he had
at Frank Gore at with the forty nine ers, he
always had really really good running backs with the Stanford

(46:46):
I think he'll look to get a Bellcoal running back
and then honestly maybe he I don't know how good
the tight end draft is. It was actually good last year.
I'm not sure it's good this year. I've noticed you
speak very highly at Jim Harbaugh, and right, so, he's
an excellent and well accomplished coach with a national championship.
As a Ravens fan, though I never heard you have

(47:07):
the same energy for Harbaugh when he's three to zero
against his brother and wins being the Super Bowl. Who
do you think is the better coach? Well, I think
Jim is now. Jim has proven it, you know, multiple places.
I just think Jim. I think John, like Mike Tomlin,
falls under the category of just same play so long

(47:29):
we both acknowledge they're both really good, and I would
say John's lost some really bad playoff games in recent memory.
The game last year was atrocious, I mean really bad.
I would say the game several years ago against the Ravens.
I was listening to Luwan and Compton had on Gruden

(47:50):
and j. Grudin asked them like, what was your finest
memory as a as a player when you in the NFL?
And I think his example was playing you know, New
England and playing Baltimore in those two playoff games as
big underdogs and running the ball down their throat. And
I you know, when I think of John Harball, I

(48:11):
think of pretty big disappointments in the games that have
mattered with Lamar Jackson, obviously, John Harbaugh's really good. And
I actually know a guy who recently worked for him
who just said it's remarkable. So I'm not trying to
diminish him. I just think, you know, I mean, I've
seen Jim do it like four different places. John's been

(48:32):
in one of the best organizations in the NFL and
one and now he has one of the best quarterbacks
you know, I've ever seen, and it's like, can he
finally get it done. It's a big couple of days
coming up for John Harbaugh. They could either win the
division or they kind of be locked in his wild
card now. Also, as we saw last year, like I

(48:52):
would put them in the category did if their defense
plays better that they they could win on the road.
The Falcons make me laugh. They finally last January stop

(49:15):
Rich McKay from doing a Kevin Warren that's the official word,
and controlling everything behind the scenes, and they're still useless.
Fun though, has got to go, and so does Raheem.
I'd love to see them hire someone different. They seem
to cherry pick Tampa and the Saints personnel quite a lot.
I'd be tempted to try Joe Brady if you can
get the right GM bad news for Raheem. Fans are

(49:37):
already thinking about the next coach. I think these last
couple of weeks are pretty big, man. I mean, if
they were to lose a couple of these games down
the stretch and Pennix looks bad, and I'm a Michael
Pennix guy, but that situation could be a disastrous offseason. Right.
The cousin's thing was a failure. Right, if you could

(49:58):
have a due over on that would not have given
him that money. And now there's all this pressure on
putting Michael Pennox making his first start basically at Christmas
when the season's on the line. That's pretty cool. Why
didn't they start him two weeks ago? That's what I
don't understand. Why didn't they start him two weeks ago?

(50:20):
At minimums start them against the Raiders. But now you
start them and I get the giant snink. But man,
earlier in the video you said Quinn Johnson or whatever
his name is, and how he physically can't catch. How
is that someone hasn't tried to move him to dB.
He has never once been able to catch today. For

(50:43):
the one big drop, you can see at least he
is trying to use his hands, but he still has
the habit of jumping like you would try to catch
it in your gut. The guy has no chance of
ever having hands. What could be his route to redemption
as a dB? I would say at the NFL level,
that's a pretty big transition. I don't think you can

(51:05):
necessarily just move him to safety because I is he
a He's probably too big to play corner. I mean,
how much does he weigh? Two hundred and ten pounds?
Let me see his measurables. He's six foot He's basically
six three two ten. He's got long ass arms. He
ran a four or five. I think he'd have to

(51:28):
play safety, but I don't know if he ever played
defense in his high school career. His hands, he just
you can feel it. And some guys battle that. You
know Terrell Owens famously, you know, didn't have Chris Carter
or Marvin Harrison's hands. I would say the modern day

(51:48):
guy who doesn't have natural hands and is still a
big time players. DK Metcalf to me that he would
have to be kind of in that category of being
this version of like after the catch, break tackles, go routes,
but every time you throw them the ball, it's just
a coin flip whether he's gonna come down with it.

(52:09):
I recently watched the old thirty for thirty doc on
SMU receiving death penalty tied to the Pony Express and
how guilty the NCAA felt over crushing the program. Any
chance the decision still loomed in the back of the
mind of the committee in picking SMU over BAMA, I

(52:31):
think I would really doubt it, because, yeah, I'd have
a hard time. So they got the death penalty in
what year? Eighty four? What here is a death ponta ninety?
When does their season go away? Doesn't even look like

(52:56):
so from eighty six to eighty nine. I don't think
it did head a factor at all, To be honest
with you, pretty crazy think about the world we're living
in now, where it's like they even try to deny
that it's pay to play it's supposed to be nil, right,
Like if I'm Yetti Coolers or Stanley or you name it,

(53:18):
Taylor Made or Chevrolet, I give these guys an ad
which clearly they're just paying guys like your name is Likeness.
Well here's this five hundred grand. It's like, well, what's
this is this? Like? Is it getting an advertised No,
it's just money, just pay to play, which is I'm
fine with. But that was basically I don't remember. I'm
pretty sure I watched it years ago. But wasn't that

(53:40):
just because of the two running backs Craig James and
uh who is the other running back? The Pony Express
got like cars and money a couple hundred thousand dollars
back then, which obviously was a lot of money. The
Pony Express smu who is the second running back Dickerson.

(54:01):
I think how stupid that sounds like you got the
death penalty for paying players. What a world do we
live in? As a Jags fan, I really like Lawrence
and think he can be the guy, but he has
not been consistent and he was overpaid. What are your
thoughts on the situation? Assuming Doug gets fired. I think
that's a fair assumption. How do you think head coaching

(54:21):
candidates view Trevor Lawrence? While the contract might be concerning,
do you think potential head coaches believe they can win
with Trevor and that they can make him elite quarterback
given his talent? Would a younger offensive coach like Ben Johnson,
Joe Brady or Liam Cohen be able to build and

(54:43):
would they be interested in the job. I think all
these guys are going to be interested in the job now.
I think one problem is is Trevor Lawrence now has
had poor play and injuries. So it's not just a
guy that he might need some help to break out
of his poor play his injuries. I mean he was

(55:05):
banged up last year, miss games, and now he is
missing the season getting shoulder surgery. I think correct. So
I just pulled up his contract. His contract basically starts
next year, so his cap hit like the dead money
in twenty five. The next two years he's basically on

(55:27):
the team. His dead cap this year's one fifty. Okay,
got that over With twenty five, his dead cap is
one hundred and thirty three million dollars. In twenty six
it is eighty eight point five. God they paid him
a lot of money. I mean the way that the
spot track has it. The potential out is in twenty
twenty eight. Now we've seen teams move before that, but

(55:52):
I think for the health of the franchise, he's on
the team for the next couple of years, so you
would have to have some belief that you can make
him play better. I don't know. Probably stay away from
me now. It is. You know the division, it's not great.
Florida no state income tax, so if I pay you

(56:13):
ten million dollars a year, that's a lot of money.
Desirable place to live. I guess Jacksonville people seem to
like it, but I don't know. That seems like a
very very difficult job. With everything coming out regarding the
Jets ownership this season, dysfunctional ownership, it got me wondering

(56:35):
about the other owners in the league. Could you share
a tier list or rank the owners in the league.
I actually have been working on this theory I was
going to bring up with Coward on Sunday, is that
when I was a kid, and honestly at the creation
of the of the NFL, right in the seventies, when

(56:56):
the AFL NFL merged and the Super Bowl was created
for decades, winning meant such a strong financial winfall the
difference of losing, because for a long period of time,
getting people to attend your game was a big deal.
Well over the power of television, the advent of these

(57:22):
of the streaming services, and the booming amount of money
behind the television contracts, you don't need to win anymore
as an owner. You're guaranteed to make money whether you
win zero games or whether you win seventeen games in
the super Bowl. Now you make more through the different

(57:45):
revenue streams when you win. Obviously the Chiefs make more
money now than if they were a four or five
win team, but he would still make an astronomical a
massive amount of cash. I think I got to mix
in a new word for astronomical. So if you've got
a good adjective to replace that one with fire it.

(58:06):
In my DMS, you're basically fool proof. You are a
recession proof in the NFL. So as an owner, if
you think about it, like one thing that's in vogue
or no Belichick right and even Vrabel last year, it's like, Yeah,
we don't really want a guy that's not gonna listen
to us, whose ego is going to be as big
as ours. We want a guy that we can tell

(58:27):
what to do. And I do wonder if a lot
of owners like having a guy that they can that
will listen to them, that will take their dumb ass ideas.
Because back in the day, like hiring Mike Holmgren or
Bill Parcells or you know whoever the big personality coach was,

(58:48):
you just let them do it because you'd hope they'd win.
It'd be more money for you. Now it's like, let them,
let them kick ass and take names or listen to me.
Either way, I'm making money. So the Chiefs, those guys
have been so good Clark Hunt lets him do whatever
they want. I would say the Bill, same thing. They're
winning at such a consistent clip. Now they get a

(59:09):
lot of juice. The Steelers have had the same owner forever.
The Ravens are a good example, like he listens to
DaCosta and obviously Ozzie and John's been there for a
long ass time. You know. I think the Chargers kind
of battled this over the years, and now they got Jim.
They kind of let him cook. Denver new owners that
they pay Sean a bunch of money. They just like
let them cook. But you see, like the Patriots, I

(59:33):
think they kind of like telling Dryden Mail what to
do because for twenty five years Bill told them what
to do. Tennessee clearly wanted that. That's why they got
rid of Rabel, you know the Browns, Like he tells
everyone what to do constantly. It's not an easy place
to work. The Bengals owner is essentially the GM, you know,
the Panthers temper is all over that. The Bears are

(59:54):
a good example, Like their family isn't that confident to
run the shit, so they hire Kevin Warren. It's just
too many cooks in the kitchen. Cowboys, it's hard to
overcome Jerry. He's always, you know, giving you stupid ideas
when it comes to football. The Arizona Cardinals owner, like
the Bidwell family, has a long history of having no
clue what they're doing and being cheap. I don't even

(01:00:18):
know about the Falcons, but I think most of the
teams that are good Eagles are somewhat of an exception
because they're GM and owner has a lot of juice.
But like like Kevin O'Connell, lafleor like, they don't they
get to do whatever they want, Dan Campbell, Kyle Shanahan,
and Sean McVay like people aren't fucking with them. But
like I said the other night, if you're a super

(01:00:40):
rich guy, you're gonna listen to your kids a lot.
And let's face it, if you know, if I was seventeen, eighteen,
nineteen years old and an owner's kid, my ideas would
probably be pretty stupid too. I would be, but I'd
be talking to my dad constantly about the team. We
need to get this guy, we need to get rid
of this guy, to hire this coach. Think how many

(01:01:02):
takes if you were born into an NFL family, your
dad owned the team, and by the time you came
like sixteen seventeen eighteen freshman in college, the amount of
takes and thoughts on football you'd be giving him. And
unlike everyone else in his life who is on the
payroll and terrified to upset the Apple card which is

(01:01:26):
his checkbook. As a kid, you don't give a shit
because you know he's got your kid, so you can
give him just unfiltered opinions, which is not the case
with basically everyone else in his life, which he probably appreciates,
and some of them uses so I think that story

(01:01:48):
sounds really crazy, because it is if he actually told
Joe Douglass he has a Madden rating like that is
that's you can't even begin to explain that one away.
That feels really low level. But if you don't think,
I guess this is the best way to put it.
There is no way another team in the NFL has

(01:02:12):
not had or their owner had not had an idea
pitched to them by one of their younger children, assuming
they have younger children, you know, that are in their
teens that Madden played a part of. Personally, this is
basically asked me the question, what's your opinion on the
Madden ratings to evaluate the players? He knicks the trade
and didn't want the team to sign guard Joe Simpson.

(01:02:35):
I almost busted a gut laughing when I read it
was funny. It's a funny story, and I mean it's
just it's hilarious actually, because the Jets are at the
point where everything is believable, Like if it came out
that they hired you know, you pick a coach. Let's
say it's like the Jets have hired Aaron Glenn and

(01:02:57):
then Russini and Michael Silver do an article the process,
and it was like what they did is they took
like the wheel of fortune and they put ten names
of guys they liked, and they just spun the wheel
and it landed on Aaron Glenn And that's why they
chose them. If you wrote that down after Whoever's hired

(01:03:19):
and said this is why they chose him, everyone would
believe you. So the Jets are at the point now, like,
and I heard Schrager saying this that, like everyone is
talking a bunch of shit about the Woody Johnson's kids.
And here's where I do agree, Like if I was his,
if I was Woody Johnson's kids, I would be throwing

(01:03:41):
dumb ass ideas surely, because when I was twenty years
old now I didn't know anyone in the NFL, let
alone an NFL owner. The ideas I'm sure I had
for like team building would have been moronic. So it's like, yeah,
the guy listens to his kids. Now does he listened
to his kids and not his GM? Then that's a problem.

(01:04:05):
My other thing, like, are we sure Joe Douglas is
like the best thing since Ozzie knew him? Yeah, he's okay.
He also drafted Zach Wilson, who stinks like his entire
career came down to drafting that guy. A couple questions.

(01:04:25):
Do you think it was the right move to go
to Pennix this year and Judon did not produce like
I thought he would. Does it make sense for the
Falcons to go after Micah Parsons or are we so
bad it won't make a difference. I would imagine last
time I heard Matt Judon this is probably a month ago,

(01:04:47):
had like two sacks. He has three and a half
sacks on the season, So yeah, it's not going great. Listen,
you couldn't keep rolling out Cousins. I think the question
with Penis and Cousins is why didn't we do this
like two or three weeks ago? But watching him in
that Raider game, you couldn't keep playing him. You could not.

(01:05:09):
I do think it makes it a lot easier that
you're playing a bad team this week now. I think
if you could look back and do it all over again,
at minimum you would have started him in the Raider game.
But the time is now. Part of the reason I
liked why I hated the move of drafting him to
sit behind Cousins, which looked like it was going to
be a couple of years before they started playing games.

(01:05:31):
Is Michael Penix as a twenty four year old six
year NFL or college starter. He's not a project now.
Is he going to be good or bad in the NFL?
Who knows? No one does. But he's also the type
player that like just put him in like he's ready
to go. He's not JJ McCarthy where you gotta work
on some stuff. Not saying that he doesn't need to

(01:05:52):
work on stuff, but like he's a plug and play guy,
and so maybe that serves them well, maybe you'll hit
the ground running. It wouldn't shock me if comes Sunday
that he throws. I mean they're playing the Giants, like
three touchdowns. Saints fan here and even bigger three and
out fan. I like this guy. I was fine with

(01:06:15):
the front office pushing contracts down the road with the
breeze later years, but it seems like they never got
the memo that he retired. If you were the GM
of the Saints this offseason, what would your plan be?
I think the move Remember at the end of like
the Cam Newton era, Tepper bought the team and then

(01:06:36):
basically they just guted everything. I think it might just
be time for a gut job. Now. They extended Alvin Kamara.
I don't even know what would their big time assets be.
You know, if he was under contract, he would be
an asset defensively. They already traded laddim More. You know

(01:06:57):
Cam Jordan. Cam Jordan like thirty five years old. He's
pretty old. Obviously, Derek has little to no value Cam Jordan.
He's thirty five years old, so I mean he doesn't
have much. Chandler Arizona, Uh, it's where Camp's from. I
think he just blow it up, start over and just

(01:07:20):
kind of eat it. You guys are in trouble, and
let's face it, he kind of did you dirty. But
Sean knew it. Sean could see the writing on the
wall with the financial situation, no quarterback, and he jumped
off the ship before it sunk, which I don't blame him,

(01:07:40):
but sucks to be a fan to be like well,
Sean Payton. I mean, the chances of you replacing that
is going to be very difficult, even this offseason, and
I think because of your your financial situation as a
franchise is hard to get people to go there because
you don't have any flexibility. I'm not sure if this

(01:08:04):
is the right spot, but I had a question for
the mailbag. What are your thoughts on Darnold to the Seahawks.
I'm a diehard Seahawks fan for thirty years, and I
think Sam would be a great fit. I don't think
he'd be a bad fit. I mean, when you look
at you got a deep threat in DK. He can
throw bombs. You got guys. You know, Tyler Locket's getting
up there in age, but Jackson Smith is just a fantastic,

(01:08:26):
elite talent. And you've got multiple running backs in Sharbonnay
and Walker. The offensive line stinks, but you don't have
to give up any assets to get them, so you
can just why don't you just draft offensive lineman. I'd
be all for it. I would say the forty nine
ers do not want that to happen. I'm a big
Colts fan. What do you think the Colts should do

(01:08:48):
with GM head coach and quarterback in twenty five? I
think Ballard should be fired because of the last of success,
lack of success for the last eight years. The last
time the Colts won the division was two thousand, fourteen. Jesus.
The Texans have won six times since then, the Jags
have won two times and the Titans have won to

(01:09:08):
two times. I want the Colts to keep Steichen and
pair with the GM. He knows well. Alec halabi On
the Eagles would be a good fit. He has been
with the Eagles for seventeen years and has a strong
emphasis on analytics. I also think Richardson should get one
more year, but they should sign fields running quarterback to
compete in training camp. Richardson has been poor, but if

(01:09:32):
you suck next year, you can draft a quarterback high
in twenty six, like Arch Manning what our owner would
love to do. It's a good question, you know. Ironically
about Alex Is he texts me I hadn't talked to
him in a long long time, and he texted me
probably within the last couple of months that he just

(01:09:53):
enjoys my stuff. And then I texted him back and
he never responded. But yeah, Alex's when I was with
the Eagles. If you looked at Alec Halliby's computer, it
would probably look like something you would see it like
the Pentagon meets, like the CIA meets like you know,

(01:10:14):
Elon Musk and Tesla. I mean it was like, I
have no clue what's going on here. He's brilliant, he's
really really smart. I don't know. I can't speak to
the relationship between steich And and Halliby, but I want a
root for Ballard like I want him. I don't know him,
but everyone I know that knows him loves the guy.

(01:10:37):
But it's it's a disaster, it really is. I mean,
they waited and they waited and they waited on a quarterback.
And his whole thing was always I can't just take
a quarterback because you guys want me to take quarterback.
I have to love the quarterback if we're going to
take quarterback in one of these high rounds, like, we
gotta like him too. We can't just take quarterback because

(01:11:00):
we need a quarterback. And then finally he goes all
in on this guy and it's just it's bad. I
mean it really is, because he has fundamental flaws that
I don't know if you can overcome. And when you
can't accurately throw the football and you have little to
no touch, it's a problem. And I think because of

(01:11:23):
his immense talent, he's one of those guys you hold
on to So it's like, do you bring in, like,
would you sign Sam Donald this offseason? Well, if you do,
then you just get rid of Anthony Rigidson. But what
does Anthony Rigidson as any value? He's a fourth overall pick.
He was drafted two years ago. So next year, I'm
just thinking off the top of my head, he probably
makes like seven eight million dollars someone trading for that

(01:11:45):
is their backup quarterback. Could you move him to like
tight end or running back? Yeah, I don't know. I
you know, I don't believe Ballard will be fired until
he's actually fired, So I think that he will keep
his job. I would expect all these guys to be back.
I would say Anthony Richison would be the guy to go.

(01:12:07):
Now you'd go. So Ballard gets a multiple coaches, he
gets all these quarterbacks. He just can't get the quarterback right,
He really can't. It's kind of crazy. Why did the
Niners release Darnald last season? They had great quarterback on
the roster. Knowing Perdy would be negotiating his contract, they

(01:12:30):
would have some leverage there. Follow up, why don't the
Niners go get Donald if he's not retained by the Vikings.
He's not going to cost as much as Perty and
has a lot of potential. Well, he was a free agent,
so he was on a one year contract to be
the backup. I think they paid him, I forget the
number off the top of my head, like three million bucks,
two and a half million dollucks. Then they wanted to

(01:12:53):
keep him, The Vikings offered him ten million dollars. And
it's not like he played. I mean, I guess he played.
Maybe he played a week eighteen against Carson Wentz. I
can't even remember now, I've barely watched in that game.
But he didn't play any meaningful snaps. So you're basically
just going you're buying this new mindset. But not because

(01:13:14):
he had started half the games. I think when you
look at Purty, I think Kyle loves Purty by everything
that I know, and everyone in the loop like Kyle
is very, very invested in Brock Purty. So as long
as Kyle is around, Brock Purty's gonna be their quarterback. Like,
I'm not opposed to doing something like would I rather

(01:13:35):
have Sam Donald for twenty eight million than Party at
fifty five million? Well, yeah, but I'd rather give Sam
Donald seventy million dollars guaranteed than pretty one hundred and
eighty million dollars, of course. But the guy that's pulling
the trigger on that is Kyle Shanahan. He's the boss
first and foremost. My heart goes out to Chubb. I

(01:13:56):
think he's talking about Nick Chubb. Two questions. Should Nick
Chubb think about retirement given his injury history? And with
this in mind, should Cleveland draft Genty? Sometimes you just
you know this. I do understand the mindset of Andrew
Luck who said that just after a while, that rehab

(01:14:19):
table in that training room made him like question his
own sanity. And if you're Nick Chubb and you have
this devastating k the injury, and you come battling back,
and then you're coming back and you're working your way
through it and you're playing, and then all of a
sudden you shatter a bone, You're like, what is happening
to me? I would say, given there's just a broken bone,

(01:14:48):
maybe I'm missing some information, but he can come back
from that. Now, Nick Chubb is going to impact I'm
trying to read. Doesn't sound like it's too bad. If
Nick Chubb wants to be a Brown he'll be a
Brown next year. This is teammate talking he's a free agent. Yeah,
I don't know. I wouldn't. I don't think he retires,

(01:15:11):
And I would doubt Cleveland, which is pretty analytically driven,
would take a running back in the first round. Because
part of this draft is supplied demand. There are probably
ten guys that are gonna get drafted in the first
three rounds. So aren't you better off drafting another position
that's harder to find, you know, maybe a pass rusher,

(01:15:31):
maybe an offensive lineman, maybe a quarterback, and then drafting
a running back in the second or third round. I
mean where Nick Chubb get drafted. Remember Nick Chubb wasn't
even the first running back off his own college team.
That was Trivia Sony Michelle, not a great pick by
Bill Belichick, lifelong Longhorn fan. With the way Quinn has

(01:15:58):
been playing, do you think they're there's a chance he
returns for another year or should he go pro? If
he has a good playoff run? Is there any reason
he couldn't be the third quarterback taken after Sanders and
Ward maybe fall into a better situation. I saw a
headline like two weeks ago that his status is up

(01:16:21):
in the air in terms of maybe he would go
to the transfer portal because if people are like, hey,
you're gonna get drafted like the fifth round, maybe he
would just go to another school. I don't see any
scenario in which he returns to Texas Arch Manning is
going to be the quarterback for the Longhorns in twenty
twenty five. Like that's a fact obviously if he's healthy,

(01:16:43):
So yours has two options. Does he go pro or
does he transfer to another school? Now the question is
who would want him, right, like the top top teams
like would Dubor want him, would Georgia want Because if
you could go to one of those schools, then you'd
have to entertain it. You can make millions of dollars,

(01:17:04):
but if you have to level down, that's pretty risky.
You might as well just go pro now, you know.
I think was a stucky that said that he might
go to Michigan State. Maybe it was maybe it was
my guy Jackson that'd be there'd be a lot of
risks there. I'm twenty seven and going back to college
and have my AA and business management. I saw Arizona

(01:17:27):
State has a sports business major. I watched sports my
whole life, but around high school became fascinated with the
business of sports. I'm married with two kids, and I
am wondering if you have advice about this being a
good potential career option. If I went with this degree,
I would aspire to be in a finance department or

(01:17:49):
front office in some way. I live in Orange County,
so there are pro sports teams here everywhere around me.
I got a master's when I was a gat for
State in sports administration, and it had little to no impact.
It literally had no impact on the rest of my life. Now.

(01:18:11):
I didn't have the time and I would not have
been able to study enough to get like a true
MBA just a business degree. But I would say a
business degree, an MBA or an undergraduate degree. I don't
know where you're going to school, but to just get
into the business school would be more impactful and better

(01:18:32):
off for your future than the sports business degree, because
if you wanted to get involved in a front office
from a finance side, I think you would have probably
an easier entry with just a general finance degree from
you know, UC Riverside or UCLA or whatever, then a

(01:18:54):
sports business degree, because it's not like a sports business degree.
I guess even at A maybe at ASU. I don't
know enough about that, But I don't think they're just
funneling you into the Arizona Cardinals, because if you were
had a undergraduate business degree at ASU, I think you
could get hired there just as easy, or with the

(01:19:16):
Lakers or whoever you were trying to work with. Twenty
seven two kids married, seemed like you get your shit together.
Everyone keeps talking about Vrabel and all these other coaches.
What about Pete Carroll to the Chicago Bears. He says
he still has the energy and he knows how to

(01:19:37):
build a culture. You know, I think when you look
at historically makes a lot of defensive guy. We know
Chicago likes defense. You know, he's a little desperate. He
might be willing to listen to Kevin Warren unlike Belichick
and Vrabel because it kind of looks like no one's

(01:19:58):
ever gonna hire him to do anything again. So I
think you could do a lot worse. Now. I've heard
a lot of people say that they have to go offense.
It's like, okay, but I think they just need to
get the right coach. Even if you get an offensive guy,
then your defense sucks, and what if he's not great

(01:20:18):
with the entire team. I just think they need to
hire the right coach. They could do a lot worse
than Pete Carroll, a lot worse, that's for sure. Do
I think they will hire Pete Carroll? I don't. My
gut says Pete Carroll's not their next coach. Okay. Last

(01:20:39):
question was listening to you talk about Party's contract comparing
him to Dak Trevor Tua and I agree, though I
like him as my quarterback. I think fifty plus million
average per year to be reserved for future Hall of famers.
But with the quarterback market looking like it just keeps
growing exponentially, what do you think gets it to stop
or slow down. I feel like we're looking at the

(01:21:01):
two thousand and eight housing bubble with quarterback contracts. One
main difference in that analogy is in eight, let's use
the Big Short the movie, the scene when they're in Miami.
I think they're at the strip club and the strippers
are all buying a bunch of homes. They're not putting
any money down, they're not getting their income checked. It

(01:21:25):
was kind of fake. I mean, it was a giant
house of card. It was a fugazi. You didn't need
anything to get approved to get a mortgage, where these
teams are actually giving these people cold hard cash and
they just feel like these other quarterbacks don't exist or
that once I have one, it's a very big risk

(01:21:45):
to try to upgrade when I'm in that kind of
non top five six guy. But you know, my guy's
good enough to win me the division and compete in
the playoffs. But we all agree, like he's not the best.
He's not going in the Hall of Fame, he's not
some like all time great talent. I also think the
incoming crop, like there's a bad quarterback class in the draft,

(01:22:09):
so you're like, are even better quarterbacks coming in the
draft for the next couple of years? Like look around
college football, it's like, who's the best prospect beside Shade
or Sanders for the next couple of years. It's like
Arch Manning, he started like two games in his life,
and if his name was Arch middle Cough, we would

(01:22:31):
never be talking about him. So I think there's more
substance behind this. No one ever just lets a guy leave. Ever.
It took. It took cousins tearing his achilles. If Cousins
hadn't torn his achilles and they had ended up with
ten wins in a wild card spot, I wonder if

(01:22:52):
there's a decent chance he's still in the Minnesota Vikings.
It was easy once he tore his achilles. I was like, yeah,
we'll just move on. So I I think a lot
has to do with teams terrified of the unknown, and
it's like they have so much money that they're like, yeah,
we'll just ride with Tua. We'll just keep rolling with Party.
And obviously Perty is a better player and to and

(01:23:13):
accomplish more. But you know what I mean, the O
eight housing market was just it was all fake. This
is not fake. Trevor Lawrence is getting real money, and
they're just going, how are we going to upgrade over
Trevor Lawrence. Now, I do think the negotiation that was there,
it's like you did not need to give that much money,

(01:23:36):
like part of whatever happened to Like you know, when
eBay first started and you'd find something cool that you'd
want to buy, and you'd be like, I got a
two hundred dollars and once you hit a certain number,
you're like, well I'm out. I'm not getting that sometimes
you would just no one else would bet. You're like,
I just got this, you know, signed Lorenzo O'Neill Fresno

(01:24:01):
state picture that I can put in my college dorm
room for seven dollars. Hell yeah, I just got Larry
Birds underwear for seventeen dollars that are signed. I mean,
the shit on eBay was incredible, and every once in
a while you just throw in a bid and no
one else's bid and you'd get it. Like whatever happened

(01:24:23):
to Like, Hey, we're not getting into a bidding war
with you. We're not even to go We're not negotiating
against ourselves. The market is the market. Now, this is
what we're offering you. We have you under contract for
several years. We're ready to play ball here in terms
of we're not afraid, Like, this is what we're not

(01:24:44):
budging off. This teams gets so scared. Now. Back in
the day, you would just battle it out for a
couple of years. Like whatever happened to that? It's like, yeah,
we're not gonna be the victim here. We're offering you
one hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed. Why want to No?
When did that stop. It happens all the time. Anyone

(01:25:04):
that's been on a house. It happens. You're like, yeah,
we're not going over that number. Okay, we're not doing
a deal. Okay, see you later. The difference is you
already have that person in our contract. Trevor Lawrence was
in our contract for two more years, his fourth year
and his fifth year option, and they're like, here's two
hundred million dollars guaranteeses, Like, what are you guys doing?
Maybe maybe I'm just clueless, but I don't get it.

(01:25:25):
I feel like these agents really really take advantage. It's
one thing if justin Jefferson, right, or some all time
great talent, you're like, yeah, Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.
It's another thing when these guys are clearly in the
second or third tier. I just don't get it. Now.
I get it, you gotta pay somebody, But I think
a lot of money right now in the NFL is

(01:25:47):
getting wasted on closer to average players getting paid like
they're Pro bowlers and they are simply just not sate
everyone listening. Thanks everybody for coming in the DMS. I
just there's just not enough time in the day to
respond to all you guys, so we'll just keep banging
it out, probably keep banging them out as we go
next week as well, and have a good weekend, enjoy

(01:26:08):
the games and I will talk to you soon. The
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