3 & Out - Purdy shows up to camp, NFL rapid fire, Jay Gruden joins the pod - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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What is going on everybody, How are we doing? Hopefully
everyone's having a great day. The NFL Draft is right
around the corner, so buckle up because we've been waiting
a long time. Today we're gonna do. We're gonna have
Jay Gruden, John's brother join the show. He obviously was
a head coach as well, longtime head coach for Washington,

(00:38):
offensive coordinator for the Bengals as well with Andy Dalton.
I think they had like the best offensive the league.
Jay knows quarterback play. We're gonna talk quarterbacks in the draft,
how he approached the draft as a head coach, how
he watched guys, and just a bunch of different things.
What he thinks about Kevin O'Connell and the decision to
go with JJ McCarthy as well as I will get

(01:00):
some thoughts to open the podcast about party showing up,
Kittle not showing up to the offseason. A guy like
DeVante Adams had a comment in regards to the forty
nine ers and their low ball offer. The Titans general
manager made some comments, so did Chris Ballard. Peter Schrager
hearing about some rumors, So we will dive in into
it all so Jay Gruden will join the show. I'll

(01:21):
do a little NFL rapid fire and that'll be the
game plan today. And then obviously tomorrow the draft will
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some news today because their general manager, John Lynch, Hall
of Fame safety spoke and he let us know that
rock Party is in attendance, and that's where I want

(03:27):
to start. And these holdouts, these hold ins have become
pretty consistent in the NFL. The amount of money that
guys are scheduled to make, whether you're a linebacker, a
wide receiver, a pass rusher, an offensive lineman, has never
been more Obviously. These quarterbacks, now, I mean a low
level quarterback deal pays one hundred million dollars guaranteed. You

(03:50):
saw Sam Darnold get fifty five guaranteed based on one
really good season after an awful start to his career.
You've seen guys like Geno Smith get huge extension after
a huge extension, and he was a lifetime backup relative
to these guys that were scratching our head. Just like
you gave to a what Jordan Love had eight good
games and he got like one hundred and seventy five
million dollars to a Tonga bai loa. You saw Trevor Lawrence.

(04:13):
We don't even know if he's a good player, and
he got two hundred million dollars guaranteed. There's a ton
of money on the line. And I totally understand, and
I've always supported a player. When you're talking, you could
be talking forty to fifty sixty million dollars guaranteed, let
alone one hundred million plus the moment you get on
the field in an ota situation, in a training camp situation.

(04:34):
Injuries can be out of your control, someone falling on
your leg, you tripping and falling, you planning the wrong way,
and it can get yourself into a situation where you're injured. Listen,
it's a cutthroat league. There's a reason we call it
not for long. You will be thrown in the trash
with a quickness, and anytime you have a chance to
make that much money at a young age. I totally

(04:57):
understand and support people making business decisions because we all
do it in our walk of life. Obviously for ninety
nine point nine percent of us, we are not talking
one hundred, one hundred and fifty two hundred million dollars.
But you got to fight for yourself and you have
to be You have to have a cold blooded, cold

(05:18):
hearted streak in any industry when it comes to money,
because that's the way this world operates, specifically in this country.
But I also think that not everything needs to be
really acrimonious, and not everything needs to be some war
the agent and the player versus the team. Sometimes you

(05:38):
can work together, and we have seen it pretty consistent.
These holdouts have turned into hold ends and brock Perty
has had a front row seat on this. A couple
of years ago, Nick Bosa held out and then he
got a historic amount of money, but it he missed
all of training camp and when he got back he
didn't play that well. Last year, Brandon Ayuk held in,

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and let's face it, I don't ever remember the forty
nine ers, of all their different administrations, ever regretting a
contract so quickly, and if they could have, they gladly
would have traded him this offseason. But because he's injured
and makes a ton of money, no one was going
to touch him, not a soul in the league rightfully,
So I wouldn't either if I was one of the

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other thirty one teams. He's owed way too much money
and way too many questions question marks about the health
of his leg. But it shows you how quickly the
forty nine ers turned on him, because, let's face it,
Tim Kawakami and a bunch of people that covered the
forty nine ers have discussed this at length. They did
not look favorably on how that was handled. Because there's
a point of being professional and then there's kind of

(06:47):
jumping that line and becoming unprofessional, and the forty nine
ers clearly think that Brandon Ayuk and his camp acted
that way. And I think if you're a Brock Purdy,
you've kind of seen every different element of this. Nick Bosa,
who is the type player you just a blank check.
He kind of gets to dictate the terms. Brandon ayukho Listen,
I'm not trying to play Monday morning quarterback. I thought
it was insane for them not to trade them. They're

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never gonna have a guy where they in that offense
under Kyle that's gonna catch ninety one hundred balls. That
is not how they play. So to pay a guy
a premium that's gonna catch between seventy and eighty balls,
I thought was kind of nuts, and they ended up
doing it. And I think, if you're Brock Purdy, you
know you're in a really good situation. You know, this
coach and general manager love you. You know, the team

(07:30):
really likes you. You know I've seen this a couple
of years ago when the forty nine Ers turned on
Trey Lance. It wasn't just the GM and the coach
doing it. The star players on the team didn't think
he could play. Honestly, the basketball team in the region
is going through it currently with Jonathan Kaminga. Everyone's like
Steve Kurta doesn't like him. Clearly neither do the star players,

(07:52):
because if they thought he could play, he would be
on the court. And the forty nine ers, from the
front office to the coaching staff to the players, they
believe in this guy. And listen, is he gonna get
Trevor Lawrence two hundred million dollars? I wouldn't do that deal.
I don't think the forty nine ers are comfortable doing
that deal. But even if you get quote unquote a
low end quarterback deal, you're talking one hundred and fifty

(08:14):
million dollars guaranteed. And if you're Brock Purdy, you have
made a lot of money off the field because you
play for this brand easily, not even close, one of
the top brands in the NFL to play for, and
when they're good, you directly profit off. It's not all
equal brands discriminate in the NFL. Right, There's a reason

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if you play quarterback for the Jags, if you play
quarterback for the Houston Texans, you're not gonna make as
much when you play for the Green Bay Packers. The
Pittsburgh Steelers, the Dallas Cowboys, the San Fransco forty nine Ers,
Dak Prescott. While he's made a lot of money off
on the field, he's made a ton off the field
because he's played for the Dallas Cowboys. Now in those negotiations,
clearly that's never factored in. Guys like that give me

(08:58):
the most money possible, and we see see how that
limits the team they put around them, which wishing we
could argue till we're blue in the face whether that's
fair or not, But that's a reality the business you're in.
And if you're brock Purty, like you want to do
a good deal with the forty nine ers, you want
to get paid, but you want them to be happy
with you, because if they're not, they will discard you

(09:19):
very very quickly. We have just seen their actions this offseason.
They will turn on a player really, really quickly. And
I think, and I give brock Purty credit. Now, listen,
if you told me last week, do you think brock
Party is not going to show up? I would have
said no. I would have imagined he would have showed up.
So I guess I'm not shocked that he's there, but

(09:39):
I also think that's just smart business. You want to
be in business with people where there's trust on both sides.
And I think we've kind of jumped the shark over
the last three or four years with some of these
deals and some of these acrimonious situations. Like I appreciate
some of these contracts that get done. The Eagles are

(10:00):
great at this. They break their guys off early. Everyone's
happy and there just aren't these weird situations. The chiefs
have been pretty consistent, you know, obviously Patrick Mahomes, but
the way they've treated Travis Kelcey. It got a little
weird with Chris Jones and clearly they were uncomfortable with
that and the forty nine ers over the last couple
of years, some of their situations with Trent Williams, with
Nick Bosa, obviously with a YUK with Deebo several years ago,

(10:23):
like it hasn't been smooth, and they don't want to
go through that with Purdy and Purty doesn't want to
go through that with them. Now, what do they ultimately
meet at The average per year is thrown out all
the time. I do not care about that at all.
You could tell me the average per year is one
hundred million dollars if they guaranteed them a hundred million
dollars total, like that's a win And I'm sorry, Like

(10:48):
I do think how much they paid this player in
this situation really matters. And I'm not one of those
people and I've seen this thrown out that they should
get rid of them, try to draft another guy. If
the NFL knew that Shador Sanders was gonna be as
good as brock Party, there is no way he would
slip back the pass the number two overall pick, like
brock Party has proven, you can win with them as

(11:09):
long as your team is good. It's why I've said
the pressure this offseason is not as much on brock Purty.
He's established and shown you what he is. It's on
John and Kyle because like the other quarterbacks in the NFC,
Jalen Hurts, Jared Goff, they really benefit from playing on
a loaded roster and they're also on long term, highly

(11:30):
paid contracts. So the forty nine ers have high draft
picks at pick eleven and the draft high in every round.
They got multiple third round picks, Like, you got to
crush this draft if you were gonna do what the
Rams did a couple of years ago and kind of
retool your roster, make it cheaper and make it more
long term cost effective. You better get the draft right.

(11:52):
And the pressure right now on the forty nine ers
front office is enormous. But like I said, not all
things are equal, and George k did not show up,
don't totally blame him because if all the guys on
the team last year, in a devastating season, they won
six games and going into the season they were the
favorite to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. He

(12:13):
was one of the few that had a fantastic season.
He's thirty one years old, he's going in the last
year of his contract, like it's time to give him
an extension, And I don't blame him, like this guy
laid it on the line in a season when guys
were injured, guys were disappearing, and they were losing games,
and he was a second team All Pro and in
his position, unlike wide receivers or tackles or pass rushers,

(12:34):
he doesn't get paid a premium. But I also understand
if I was him and I'm training in Nashville, like
I don't really want to come back, And until you
make it lucrative enough for me to come back, Like,
you know what I stand for, you know what I
bring the table from a leadership on and off the
field standpoint. So that's a situation for the forty nine

(12:54):
ers that I think is a pretty easy one. You've
cut all this, you know, in their minds, trimming the
fat of let all these guys walk and not paying
any of them, like George Kittle is one of those guys.
And I'm not always for giving guys third, third, and
fourth contract extensions, but the way George played last year
and especially his position, like you can give him like

(13:14):
guarantee thirty or thirty five million dollars and it's not
very complicated to figure out. DeVante Adams had some comments
that he said that his agent told him that the
forty nine ers who are interested in Adams this offseason
wanted him at a wholesale price, not at retail prices,
or basically that they were willing to pay wholesale prices.

(13:36):
They weren't cutting retail type checks. And he laughed at
at like, I'm not a wholesale player. And John Lynch
came out today and denied it. And listen, the offseason
does not determine your success and failure in terms of
like teams that win free agency and teams that melk Kiper,
who I'm pro Melkiper, But part of the business is

(13:58):
giving teams draft grades. The day after Saturday happens. It's
like ay c b F. It's like no one has
any freaking clue, not a soul out of the league
or in the league. But like the forty nine ers,
I would say, for the first time in many, many years,
feel like they have some negative, some a black cloud

(14:20):
kind of around the organization in terms of positive momentum
in comments like this, like don't necessarily make them look
great now. John Lynch denied it. He said, one hundred percent,
I've never said that. He was asked if Kyle would
have said that, he laughed. He said, Kyle does not
talk to agents, so one hundred percent. He didn't say that.
There's nothing they can really do this offseason to shut

(14:41):
everyone up. It's just gonna come this fall and they're
gonna have to win games, and they're gonna have to
do it with a lot of new players on the roster.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
And listen, it's the NFL.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
You get new players every single year in the roster,
but they're gonna have a lot of turnover and they
are gonna be very, very dependent on young players to
have an impact immediately. And obviously they're gonna have a
quarterback back who sometime between now and sometime in training
camp is going to have a new contract and have
a ton of added pressure to play at a Pro
Bowl level. Because it's one thing when you get to listen,

(15:12):
I'm playing for a million dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Whatever you're getting is gravy and that.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
That's there's truth to that, right, But the moment I
give you, you know, one hundred and fifty one hundred
and seventy five million dollars guaranteed and the biggest contract
in the history of the franchise, there is a huge
amount of pressure. Then that immediately amps up what was
already there. And he is obviously one of the most
polarizing players in the league. Kyle's one of the most

(15:35):
polarizing coaches in the league. And I mean when you
are Super Bowl less and a guy like Nick Sirianni
has a Super Bowl and the Eagles seem loaded, the
Lions seem loaded, you got Washington, that's an up and
coming team, you got the Rams that are gonna have
a ton of momentum coming in. You know, in a
weird way, the forty nine ers should get to fly
under the radar. But we know that's not what's gonna happen.

(15:56):
So the forty nine ers are going to just continue
to be you know, I would say most people are
gonna pick against them. Well, big couple of days coming
up Thursday and Friday for John Lynching Company. The Titans
all but confirmed what we already knew. Mike Borgonzi today
said that we are sticking at one and we're all

(16:18):
on the same page. Ak, we are taking cam Ward. Listen,
anytime that you go through a season with Will Levis
and who I think he called a quarterback in our room,
so not exactly. I don't even think there's a lock.
If you told me Will Levis is traded for like
a seventh round pick to another team, I'd be a

(16:39):
little stunned off. Will Levis on the team for the
Titans in twenty twenty five. My guest is he somewhere else?
I don't, and I do think they could probably ship
him for like a future seventh like they basically give
him away. But Cam Ward is gonna get the keys
of this franchise, and if he is just solid, I
don't know if they could be a playoff team, but
they could be a much more or serviceable operation that

(17:03):
they were last year, which was basically an embarrassment. Chris
Ballard had some interesting comments. I would say, if I'm
Anthony Richardson, I better come in with basically my hair
on fire. I mean, I better be just full steam
ahead off season activities, OTAs the meetings. I mean, every

(17:26):
time I step into that building, I better be as
locked in and focused as I've ever been in my
entire life. Because Chris Ballard made a comment like his
competition is Daniel Jones, and we all laugh at that.
They believe in him, and Chris Ballard said, like, I
believe that both quarterbacks will help us this upcoming season.
Like they don't have much belief right now in Anthony Richardson.

(17:49):
And that's what happens when you get drafted really high
and you underwhelm on and off the field. I mean,
the situation with him tapping out, the way he was
kind of you know, bench, the way his teammates had
to talk to him, like they're just not that high
on them, and I don't blame them. How could they be? Now?
Do I like their contingency playing with Daniel Jones. I
think it's a little insane. I think it's borderline crazy.

(18:13):
But they did that. And listen, their head coach is
not going to go down being embarrassed on offense right
anytime that you are an offensive quote unquote guru and
your quarterback can't complete basic routes and you can't get
first down because he can't hit wheel routes or basic

(18:34):
out routes, and you think that just an inaccurate quarterback.
And Ballard's been talking about this. You can't play quarterback
at a high level if you are consistently inaccurate. They
will look for someone else. And they've already proven this
offseason that they believe that they had to bring in competition.
It's an open competition. You know. Ballard, which I think
makes people nervous, said like, you know me, Shane, Jim Bob,

(18:57):
the offensive coordinator, Jim Rsy. People like, wait, Jim Mercey
is involved in the quarterback decision. I think he's just
kind of playing corporate manager, like being smart. Do I
think Jim Mersey is going to be the guy pulling
the trigger on who's starting. I don't. I think sometimes
you just like you just have to say that out loud.
But I would say that Anthony Richardson's job is very

(19:20):
much in jeopardy, and that they're already showing by their
words because we know by their actions they weren't cool
with it. By their words. Now they've doubled down and
their actions of bringing another guy like he better play
well because I think if all things are equal, they'll
go with Daniel Jones. And last, but not at least,
Peter Schrager mentioned today on on Espen, his new employer,

(19:41):
that the Browns and the Giants are getting calls for
pick two and three. And what I think is so
fascinating about this draft is it's viewed as like a
three player draft, really a two player draft in terms
of Abdull Carter and Travis Hunter are big time prospect. Obviously,

(20:01):
Aston Genty is viewed as one of the best players
in this draft, and then everything else is just a crapshoot, right.
I mean, every guy once you start moving down like
Will Campbell, people love the guy, but the short arms
things make people very very uncomfortable. I think Jalen Walker
of Georgia, who if you just throw on that Texas
game in the regular season, the guy looks like Lawrence
Taylor meets TJ. Watt meets Miles Garrett. He was an

(20:25):
unstoppable force. He's six foot one, you know. I mean,
if if he was six', five he'd probably be the
number two overall. Pick but every got you, Know Mason,
Graham he's just not that, tall which is not the
end all be, all but people do like you to
look the part When i'm gonna draft you, three, four, five,
Right AND i think this, Draft i'll be stunned if

(20:46):
there are a lot of trades for teams trading. UP
i don't expect that to, happen because in a draft
when there's a reason this is the first, draft more
than likely we're gonna go Into thursday night without one
first round trade before the start of the, draft which
is unheard. OF i, mean it does not. Happen typically
we have like Several but in a draft that isn't

(21:08):
viewed as, good doesn't have the quarterback star, power that's
not going to take. Place SO i actually expect a
lot of teams trying to trade. Back But the problem
is it takes two to. Tango and IF i don't
love the prospects as a front, office as A, Gm
i'm not trading. Up why WOULDN'T i just wait WHERE
i am and let someone fall into my. Lap SO

(21:30):
i think there's going to be a lot of teams
on the Horn, Tuesday, Wednesday thursday morning begging teams to come.
Up AND i think it's going to be, very very
difficult to find a trade. PARTNER i really, do because
if you are a team at pick, ten at, fifteen at,
twenty at twenty, five why would You it's one thing

(21:50):
to move a spot or, two but to do like
the twenty to ten or fifteen to eight like that
is not. Cheap that is Not you have to typically
pay prema to move up, five, eight ten spots in
the first, round even if it's like obviously you got
to pay, extra usually when it's. Quarterbacks but there is

(22:10):
just a basic going rate based on the chart of
moving From and Again i'm Just i'm not necessarily picking.
Teams i'm just using examples fourteen to six or twenty to,
eleven like there are one there's precedent teams that have
made similar. Trades and then there's just a chart of
like this is what it, Costs so, like why AM
i gonna give a second round pick a third round

(22:32):
pick to move up four or five spots WHEN i
can essentially get a similar group of. Players All i've
heard from my, friends and a lot of these guys
draft in the, twenties so they're not as caught up
and Like Abdul carter and The Travis, hunters but they
say the difference of the guy that's gonna go somewhere
between like nine and fourteen and the dude that's gonna
go twenty five to thirty, two it's not very. Deep

(22:56):
why because this is a, Draft AND i bet some
of these gms in their post draft press, conferences which
they usually, do we'll say comments like, this we had
seven first round guys. Graded we had ten first round
grades in a good, draft usually that number somewhere between
twenty to twenty. FOUR i think a couple of years,

(23:16):
AGO i Remember John schneider said they had like. Seventeen
but obviously if you have seventeen first round grades on
players and you draft twenty, fourth there's a decent chance
that all those guys are. Gone now everyone boards a little.
Different there's a decent chance that guy's still. There but
there are gonna be a lot of teams drafting in
the first. Round they're gonna draft guys that they don't

(23:37):
feel that comfortable based on their draft, grade not that
they don't like the, player not that they don't think
the player is. Good but If i'm drafting at pick
thirteen AND i only had eight first round talents in
the draft and they all went somewhere in the top,
TWELVE i them am drafting a guy and paying him
the thirteenth overall based on the wage, scale BUT i

(24:00):
Think i'm getting a second round. Player so that's what
makes drafts like. This and, again none of this determines
how good these guys will. Be there are gonna be
a ton of guys in the top twelve picks that
will not get their fifth year option picked, up just
like they're going to be several guys in the, twenties the,
thirties the forties that will go on to Be Pro,

(24:21):
bowl high level. Starters but we don't have any of that.
Information so it's all based on how they were as a. Prospect,
Right so Cam ward could be better than every quarterback
in last year's. Draft that can, happen, right but right,
now if you pulled every team in the. LEAGUE i
Saw schefter put out something. Today he said one, team
and it's easy to do when you're like The. Bills

(24:43):
But i'm not saying they were the team that told him.
This do not have a first round grade on any
of the, quarterbacks on any of, them and obviously that
includes Cam. Ward so anytime you have these, situations there
is gonna be huge discrepancies team to. Team that also
means you were gonna see players like based on the mock,
drafts there are gonna be some players that are gonna

(25:06):
be locks to go relatively high top, twelve, right we
know the top couple, guys But Will, campbell A Mason, graham.
Whoever but all of a, sudden Like Will, johnson he
might be there at pick twenty, eight where before the
season people thought he was like a top ten, pick
and all of a, sudden it's, like, wait he went

(25:27):
he went to The, lions, right or he went to The.
Rams so you got to be very careful in years
like this with mock drafts because you get very used
to certain players going at certain, levels and then the
draft comes and all of a, sudden the eighth pick
is some guy that you haven't really heard of or consistently,

(25:47):
seen like you've seen him mocked in the, twenties and
all of a sudden he goes. Eight that is going to,
happen and it's simply because in a draft like, this
the grades are gonna be all over the freaking map
when it comes to, gms when it comes to front,
offices and more, specifically when these coaches get. Involved because
like it or, not if you're the general manager the

(26:09):
scouting departments, coaches the highest paid guy in your front
office slash coaching staff is the head. Coach there is
NOT i would Say howie is probably the only guy
right now as Of april twenty second that makes more
than his head. Coach but If sirianni gets a contract,
extension he is going to be making. More, now that's

(26:32):
not going to change the internal. Dynamic but if you
just go around like less neat really high LEVEL, gm
he doesn't make even close to What sean McVay. Makes
John lynch a lot of success as A, Gm Kyle
shanian makes double what the guy. Makes so you get
these situations that if the coach really wants, something and
sometimes it's not just, him it's like his assistant, coaches quarterback, coaches,

(26:54):
coordinators d line. Coach those are his, scouts, Right those
are the guy guys he leans on for their, opinions
and they have a lot of sway this time of.
Year so buckle, up because this thing's about to get.

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Speaker 2 (28:57):
Audio, okay we were able to Get Jay gruden before
he heads out for his afternoon eighteen to take a
lot of money off his. Buddies, jay former head coach
in THE nfl and now trying to head to The Senior.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Tour how's it?

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Going not quite?

Speaker 6 (29:20):
THERE i got a long way to go to get
to The Senior, tour but everything else is. Good and
enjoined golf and been enjoying watching this group of guys
in the. Draft it's gonna be interesting draft. Class i'll
tell you that there's a lot of a lot of
guys that.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
ARE i, guess on paper pretty.

Speaker 6 (29:36):
Good it didn't produce a whole lot and you're hoping,
that you, know things catch up to them and a
lot of development need to Be some guys have already
put a lot of good stuff on, tape but don't
have the, measurable so to. Speak so interesting interesting draft.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Class how'd you balance as a head coach listening to
your assistant coaches in their? Opinions obviously the front office
and this scouts have a lot of, opinions but then
the coaches get involved pretty heavily right right post, combine
right around the, combine and then really dive in over
the past, month and they got they got, opinions and
they obviously got friends and coaching. Friends so how do
you balance that this time of?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Year exactly.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
RIGHT i welcomed all the opinions so long AS i
knew that they were actually watching it and did their,
work you know WHAT i. MEAN i took a lot
of you, KNOW i like listening to different. OPINIONS i.
DIDN'T i never thought that my opinion was the.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Only one that. Mattered you.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
KNOW i like to have people differ with me SO
i can go back and see their point of view
and then maybe change my. Mind SOMETIMES i change their,
Mind BUT i think the more opinions the. Better, obviously
you have to come up with one at the end
of the. Day everybody has to respect the final. Decision
hopefully it's a team. Decision they may disagree with, you
which happened to me a. Lot we took a lot
of guys THAT i did not, want but you, know

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some of them turned out to be.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Good some of THEM i was right, on.

Speaker 6 (30:47):
Damnit but, yeah you have to thinking about everybody's opinion
because you respect, it and you go back and try
to figure out.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Which is best for your.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Team you, KNOW i get asked a. Lot obviously the scouting.
Calendar you know your area scouts were watching these. Guys
you know your gms watching the top guys throughout the.
Fall when you're, coaching when did you dive? IN? Uh
and then free agency comes obviously a month, before so
you've got to be on top of those guys and
knowing your own guys and then doing the self cut

(31:16):
ups and edits of your own. Team when did you
start watching? Guys and you know of a, class let's
just pick a, number two hundred and fifty guys in the.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Class how many of those guys were you actually?

Speaker 6 (31:25):
WATCHING i was watching a lot more than probably any
other coach right after the right after free, agency once
we graded all the free, agents our own free agents
one and then the street free agents from other teams
in THE, nfl how we can better our football team
right away a free. Agency THEN i dove into the
college football tape AND i really like to watch THE

(31:45):
uh like to kind of wait till after.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
THAT i try to watch. IT i try to make.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
Tapes with the sixty guys we'd interview at the, combine
So i'd start with those guys, first So i'd do
the sixty, guys we'd interview the. Combine i'd make a
tape and each one of those, guys so WHEN i
did the, INTERVIEW i was prepared to see what their
strengths or what the weakness is, worth SO i get
to really get them.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Down for fifteen.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
MINUTES i would start with those, guys and after THAT
i would go dive into everybody else and watch a
senior bowl at The East West. Rine watch your, combine
if they participate in the, combine watch your highlight, tape
watch the game.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Film so, yeah it. Was it was a good.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
Process but once you got all the information, together able
to put the cutups together and you can watch it
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Quicker BUT i.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
Tried to watch as many AS i could because you,
FIGURE i get seven rounds worth of the. Guys that's
that's a lot of, guys about two hundred ft eight
three inndred.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Guys would you have the scouting department give you kind
of the, layout position by? Position would you approach it
by kind of? Rounds what would be your plan of?
Attack i'd like.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
To have our, board you know how we ranked them
for a, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth seventh. Rounds so
i'd Go i'd have, that But i'd also DO i
liked it by team, actually because IF i was Watching
alabama Play, GEORGIA i want to know all the guys
On georgia and all the guys In. Alabama SO i
kind of knock out eight or ten guys at. ONCE
i kind of did. THAT i also find some free,

(33:01):
agents some street free agents that way as. Well SO
i tried to watch as many games AS i.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Could but that's.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
Once ONCE i narrowed it, DOWN i started watching individual.
Guys LIKE i, Said i'd watch a couple of, games
And i'd watched Their Senior bowl at all their practices
at The Senior, bowl they're pro day and obviously they're
combined and get my.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Evaluation, WELL i was gonna start with SOME nfl, questions
but we might as well just stay on. THIS i
was watching a lot of videos that you do with
a kind of A scottsdale crew WITH aq And Justin,
pugh AND i Think colt moved back To, texas but
you know he lived IN az for a long. Time
let's just start with the top. Guy all signs point
to it being a, lock kind of a crazy. CAREER

(33:40):
i mean when you first got into. Football these guys
playing at three, programs and not just for a. YEAR i,
mean the dude From louisville had three different. Careers but
same with Cam, ward multiple years an incarnate, word multiple
years on THE pac, twelve then obviously At. MIAMI i
was just, thinking, YEAH i just got back from the,
gym took a. Shower you, know his, story this transfer

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portal wouldn't have it. Existed he would have been drafted last.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Year and let's say the fourth round or.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Whatever think how much money he made on two, fronts,
right going To miami getting paid millions and then improving his.
Stock obviously he's. Talented what are your thoughts of watching
him during the fall and obviously just kind of breaking
down some of those.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Games, YEAH i think you're.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
RIGHT i think a lot of these guys have so
much tape now to watch mass it's, crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
You.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
Know, so but his, improvement you, know it was very
similar To jaden last, year where he watched him play
At Arizona state for three years and then Obviously i'll see
for two you can just see a steady rise of.
Improvement cam's a little bit like, that not to the
extent of jade in my. Opinion but he's got the arm,
talent he's got the quick, whip he's got the, accuracy
he's got the, anticipation he's got the.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Poise sometimes it's too much.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
Poise he's, chilling you, know not moving a, muscle skirting
out of, bounds and all the cool stuff that he.
Does But i'm more interested in the way he handles,
pressure which he does pretty. Well he can escape pressure
with his, legs he can avoid pressure with his slight
movement in the. Pocket still stamp tall as a, passer
and they could throw a different arm angles and he's
a pretty damn acurate and he's got.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
The enough arm.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Talent SO i think all steience points him being the
best quarterback in the draft just because of his, steady
consistent production as Zach arstina's arm talent and is.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
ATHLETICISM i saw that you, were may correct me If i'm.
Wrong high On Tyler, shuck the quarterback coming out Of.
LOUISVILLE i don't know if you've seen the picture going
viral of him going to the prom With. Purty they
were the same, age and party's four year starter in
college and the three year starter in THE nfl and
this guy What i'm talking. About three year career At,

(35:35):
oregon three year Career, tech and then one year At.
Louisville the guy's been in college longer in. Doctors but
he's a guy that's a very fascinating. Prospect if you
AND i were in a draft, Room i'd say coach
this guy's. AGE i, mean he should have a huge.
Advantage you, know this is some of THOSE byu kids
that were twenty five manhandling kids for years because they

(35:55):
would go on the. Mission that would leave me a.
PAUSE i know he can spin. IT i know people
are high on, him but what a mental advantage he
had against his.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
COMPETITION i was twenty, SIX i, PLAYED i already played
four years in The Arena Football league For god's.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Sake you, know it is a huge.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
Advantage you think about, it the, maturity you, know he
had some clean bone, breaks the injury. History obviously he's a.
CONCERN i think the medical teams will have to take
a look. At but obviously he's. Okay AND i Know
Jeff brom pretty well From university of Louis BUT i
talked to him a lot about, him and he loves his,
competitiveness His, obviously his arm talent is what it is

(36:32):
on what you see on, tape very, strong very. Accurate
he's got. Athleticism so, YEAH i think you, say man
for a young kid who gotta take, You, well he's not.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Young he's twenty. Six you, know you got to weigh
all that.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
In SO.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I don't know what the.

Speaker 6 (36:48):
Thing you, know WHEN i first saw him play on
tape At, LOUIS i wasn't that, impressed you, Know And
i'm talking To Jeff brom and going back to watch him,
again and you, know see him through with the. Combine
he had some weird throws trying to stick around and
throw a side arm and miss the guys by twenty
yards here and. There BUT i think if you're looking
for a guy in the second or third, ROUND i
think and you might have a veteran type quarterback on your,
roster maybe like The rams or somebody like. That you

(37:09):
get them in the building for a, year see how he.
DOES i think he'd be worth a.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Shot can you explain to, people BECAUSE i get asked
this a, lot and you've been in on these meetings for.
Years a guy that's had broken legs or torn acls
or messed up, shoulders but going into the combine they
get a clean bill. Health they're, healthy but their history is.
Long so you're not a. Doctor your GM's not a.
Doctor you're dependent on your trainers and doctors when they,

(37:33):
say you, Know i'm not that comfortable here and you
like the player or vice. Versa he's, cleaned but you
don't aren't comfortable with his availability over the. Years how
do you balance that in these conversations leading up to the.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Draft that's very.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
Difficult AND i have to trust the trainers and the.
Doctors if they flunk a guy and they say he's
long term going to be an, issue we take them
off the, board don't draft. Them AND i can remember some,
Guys i'm, like some bitch is still you, Know, yeah
thanks for the tip, there, Doc but THAT'S i, mean
you have to have Because i'm not a, DOCTOR i
have no. Idea they're, like, well he's gonna suffer from,

(38:09):
tananitis he's gonna have this or, this and he's going
to continue to swell and get. WORSE i don't, Know
SO i have to take it for their word AND
i just take them off the. Board so, YEAH i
think there's a lot of. ISSUES i think a lot
of teams have Different they have the red dots for the,
medical they have the black dots for the. Personal they
might take them guys off the board if they're a bad.
Person uh, so, yeah you have to have you have

(38:30):
to have some kind of. Standards that's Why i'm trying
to get. Out otherwise everybody's alive and you're just picking,
bear you, know you're just blind.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Picking did you have non negotiables from a from a
personal slash character?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Standpoint, yeah oh, yeah we had those. Two so, yeah
we you, know that was.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
Tough you, know it's some of the, guys you, know
their background in history is pretty. Rough for their character was.
Rough we didn't want to. Take but some guys are,
like he's pretty damn good, THOUGH i think we can
work with.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Them we'll keep a close eye on.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
Him and we did take some chances with some guys
bad character backgrounds we probably.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Shouldn't have ended up working, out and some of them
didn't work.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Out so, yeah can you tell early on whether it's
OTAs or training, camp like we might have screwed this
up or damn we we were probably too too low
on this.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Guy he's even better than we.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
Thought, yeah it happens a, lot you, Know Like terry
mclaurin's a great. Example got him a third round For god's,
sakes and he came in and he was so good
in training. Camp we didn't play him in a preseason.
GAME i was, like hell, that we're not going to
show anybody.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
What this guy can. Do and his explosiveness as ability to.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
Learn quick and run every kind of route and snatch the.
BALL i, mean, yeah so's there's been pleasant surprises like.
That not all of them are like. That we've had
other ones on the flip. End guys come in we
dropped in the first round that come in. HURT i
got bad, FEET i got bad, HEELS i can't, PRACTICE
i can't do, this and uh, yeah so it's. Tough
it's a tough, process, man but it's. Fun it's It's

(39:52):
my favorite part of coaching really was the develop the
uh the chance to take a look at all these
guys in college and watch their COLLEGE i learned a
lot of football watching college, tape and obviously the evaluation
process of college kids AND nfl guys in free AGENCY
i think is the most important part of being a
head coach and then you got to develop players and
obviously coach them on game, day but you got to

(40:12):
get the right players in your. Building and if you,
don't have no. Chance and unfortunately we had some good.
Players we've had a lot of.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Injuries, yeah for. SURE i MEAN i Remember Chris, thompson
a little running. Back that guy was.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Sweet, yeah that's what it. Was wedding the other. Day,
man he's.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Awesome yeah a guy when he was, healthy he was
he was a. Badass. Okay Shador sanders obviously probably the
most polarizing guy in this. Draft what are your thoughts
on him as a?

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Player you, KNOW i think that He's he's handled the
pressure extremely, well Being Deona sanders', son being A Jackson
state with all the eyeballs on, him and then going
To colorado and expectations of what he's supposed to. DO
i think he performed at a pretty high. Level he's,
accurate he's got a good, armies anticipates things very. WELL

(40:54):
i think at times he takes way too many, sacks
holds a ball too. LONG i just, feel deep, down you,
KNOW i feel like he's worried about his completion percentage
more so than doing the right.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Thing for the team and throwing the damn ball. Away
it drives me.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
Crazy he's had many opportunities to throw some of these
balls and take sixty four sacks or whatever it is.
Is that's too many for guy athletic like.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
That.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
Now you, know his offensive line wasn't, great but they
weren't that. Bad that's the only ISSUE i have with.
Him but he's obviously a good, player good football, makeup
obviously good, jeans and he has the arm talent to
be pretty, successful not, overlywhelming not overwhelming arm.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Talent they can really drive it in. There you, know
you worry.

Speaker 6 (41:34):
About a playing a windy stadium or what have. You
BUT i think with the short intermediate passes which most
teams are running now, anyways he can throw it on you,
know throw it on the money and anticipate it and
give guys opportunity to run and run with the ball
after they catch. It so, YEAH i think he's going
to be a good.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Prospect You, NO i have some friends that have like
high school kids that play basketball, now and they, say
you go to some of these games and these kids
shooting threes like they think They're Steph. Curry it's, like
what are you, Doing and it does feel like The
Patrick mahomes generation of you saw last year With. Caleb,
obviously Cam ward plays a little bit like That. Shadoor you,
know when you got into, football it was get rid
of the, ball be. Accurate most guys couldn't, move so

(42:11):
they didn't have a. Choice right in the nineties and
the two, thousands those guys don't really. EXIST i, MEAN i,
mean is there A Kirk cousins level athlete in this draft?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Class and really the last couple of, years all these, guys.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
You, Know Deon sanders' son is viewed as not a
great athlete relative to his, dad but relative to Like
Carson palmer or, something he moves a lot. Better so it's,
LIKE i do, wonder one is that player, dead the
guy that just can't move in just a pocket quarterback
that it doesn't feel like they exist anymore in college?
Football and two is that just always going to be
a problem with most of these athletic guys of just

(42:43):
especially in college and? Something can you coach it out of?
Him and is it a death knell like It's, Caleb,
like is that a coachable? Attribute because he battled that last?

Speaker 6 (42:52):
Year, yeah he didn't battle that last, year and it
is a. Problem you, know some of the more some
of the most athletic quarterbacks take the most. Sacks you're,
like what the, hell oh. Man you, know, however athleticism
at that quarterback position gives you a lot more options
of the play, caller and you, know with the zone
reads and the RPOs and some of the bootlegs and
the quarterback design, runs it makes it a lot easier

(43:13):
as to play color and it makes harder on defensive
coordinators quite, Frankly so you want to put that type
of quarterback in less positions to get. Sacked, obviously if
you're behind two touchdowns or it's third and eight all,
day you're gonna have major. Issues but you can control
it based on your play call on first and second.
Now so but, yeah you're, right some of these athletic

(43:34):
quarterbacks do take more sacks for whatever. Reason there's something
you got to continue to coach them out of it
and make sure they get rid of the ball and
understand that second and ten and third and ten is
to have a lot better than third.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Eighteen and second and.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
Eighteen so negative players are will kill you as a
play caller and as a team on offense and you
just got to coach it out of.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Them would you feel comfortable Taking shador in the first?

Speaker 6 (43:50):
ROUND i, would, yeah IF i really needed a. Quarterback,
YEAH i mean some of these teams don't have. One you,
know you're looking At cleveland are gonna go With, FLACO i,
guess and The giants are going to go at thirty
nine year Old Russell wilson And Jamis winston.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
And uh so these other. Teams you, know you're, crazy it's.

Speaker 6 (44:08):
Crazy you, know my last year At jacksonville's offensive, quarter
we Had Gardner minshew is. Hurting then we're going With
Jake luton And Mike, lennon And i'm looking across the,
FIELD i See Matthew stafford warming, up and this is
an even fair. MAN i, mean come, on you got
to hit the trigger.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
MAN i, mean it's like doing layup.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
Drill you're looking across At Michael jordan and you got
some little swall five foot nine guys gonna guard. Him you're, like,
oh we might as. Well what what are we even
playing a game? For Uh, so, yeah you gotta find
a trigger. MAN i, think uh there's a lot to
like about these. Guys you just gotta you gotta make
sure they have the right personality fit for your, staff
and they have a skill that you can develop as a.
Coach and and these, guys you, Know i've never met

(44:46):
with any of them.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Before these guys want to get.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
Better the issue is these guys already got millions of
dollars in their pocket when they come to your a.
Building so, Yes but but the important thing for these
guys to understand they got to get to their second.
Contract to get, there they got to perform high, up early.
Leveled ideally for a guy like Shador, is he would
play maybe for a year Behind Russell, wilson learn from

(45:08):
a better quarterback like like better a year behind A Joe,
flacco so he can learn how these guys, prepare just
get his feet, wet understand, systems audibles at the line of,
scrimmage what coaches are looking, for how to prepare each,
week how each week is a different game. Plan people
are rushing these guys into duty and there's not many C.
J Stroudser Jaden. Daniels they have that type of success as a.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Rookie you, know so and you Coach alex WHO i
think is a good example of someone that overcame dysfunction and.
Craziness but HE'S i mean from a mental toughness. Standpoint,
obviously the story about you, know the leg situations well.
Documented it's you, know he's got pretty elite mental. Toughness
AND i think you see guy now Like Baker mayfield
clearly right up there as. Well most, guys that's tsunami

(45:52):
and negativity and. Failure it just because you're going typically
when you're drafted higher to shittier, teams and it can
learning your.

Speaker 6 (46:00):
Career look At Sam darnold's AND i wouldn't be surprised
if some other guys come out of this whirlwind of
hate and do pretty. Good you never know About Will.
LEVITZ i, mean he's going to get benched for a rookie,
quarterback and maybe he'll get better in two or three
years and learn how to calm down and play with
a little bit more poise and play within. Himself and
there's a lot of guys out. There Kenny, PICKETT i,

(46:21):
mean maybe he'll get Another Daniel, Jones maybe he'll get.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Another opportunity to.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
Succeed some of these guys have been through the ringer
and had a lot of negativity throwing their. Way and
that's why the most important thing about being quarterback other
talent is your mental. Toughness you got to build to handle.
Adversity and a lot of these guys haven't had to handle,
adversity and when it gets thrown their, way some of
them can't handle, it quite, frankly and they and they
go in a tank and they never and they point to,
Finger they blame everybody else but, themselves and they.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Don't come out of.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
It but some of them that can handle, it they
come out of it fine and still perform.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
At a high level at some point in their.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Career do you think later round or undrafted free agents
as their career, goes even when they prove their decent
get discriminated.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Again where a guy drafted high.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Like A Daniel Jones BECAUSE i got to asked the other,
day Like Tyson badget remember that story last year they
came out dudes on The bears wanted him to play
When caleb was really. Struggling AND i don't know if
you saw the hard knocks clip Of Matt ryan was a,
practice was, Like, god this guy looks. Fantastic Now Shepard.
COLLEGE i couldn't even point that thing out on a,
map you, know undrafted free, agent it's gonna be difficult

(47:23):
for him ever to get an. Opportunity but you see
some of these Guys Daniel, jones you Got Chris ballard's, like,
yea you might end up being our. Starter it's, LIKE
i don't. KNOW i, mean it's just it does feel
when you are drafted high at any, position but specifically,
quarterback that even when you, struggle you do get more. Shots,
Now Sam, Donald Baker, mayfield sometimes it works. Out so
it's LIKE i totally understand, why but it is difficult to.

(47:44):
Overcome is it fair to say when you are a
much later round pick and you don't really get to
play that, much even though you actually might be pretty
good if you're ever given the.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
Opportunity, YEAH i think most guys that get drafted, high
they get drafted high for a reason because of their
success in college or, height weight or.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Speed that's skill set that they.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
Have these guys that are drafted in the later, rounds you,
know they might have some kind of attribute that might
be interesting that you think you could, develop but there
are no more sight on seeing like a small college
Like Shepherd. College you, know these Guys, hell a lot
of some guys didn't even Scout Sheppard, college so they
don't know a lot about, them. Right so if they
don't have anything on tape other than the games that he,
played which he played pretty damn good when he did

(48:21):
play for The, bars they, did you, know that's all
you have to show other. Teams so that's why it's
probably less likely for them to get multiple opportunities it
is for a guy that's been drafted in the top
three rounds because they played In oklahoma Or Kansas state
or you, know a big school and got a lot
of tape on.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Them you, know when you became an offensive coordinator For
cincinnati and then obviously a head, coach, transferring, sometimes at
least in my, opinion was you viewed as kind of a, negative, like,
oh you couldn't win the, job so you had to.
Leave now it's the complete. OPPOSITE i, mean all these
guys the last couple of, years drafted one through twelve
are transfer portal, Quarterback So, Jackson, Dart, Riley, Leonard Will,

(48:57):
Howard kyle, McCord kind of that second tier. Group i'm
sure you've watched them. All let's start With, dart WHO
i KNOW i saw some comments you made with. COLD
i don't know if you're the biggest. Fan for, me
it's hard to get The florida. GAME i was just watching.
Live you gotta be. Careful it's hard to ever forget that.
MOMENT i.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
Can't and that's my problem is an. Evaluator sometimes IF
i see something early and some guys film evaluation, process
it sticks on my head AND i can't get it,
out you. Know and that's the same thing With jackson
those couple throws Against florida late in the game when
they had to win to you, know get to the.
Playoff it bothered. Me same thing With schadeur's performance AGAINST
byu bothered me a.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Lot you know WHAT i.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
Mean, obviously you go through all the tape and their
whole career and watch him, throw and watch his, athleticism
what he's done With Lane kiffin and that offense At Old,
miss it's been. Impressive he's got athletic ability to extend.
PLAYS i just don't know if his arm strength is
consistently good enough to, be you, know solid starting quarterback
To National Football league. Early you, know he's got enough arm,

(49:58):
strengths but balls float on quite a. Bit he doesn't
look like he reads coverages. Right at, times they run
similar concepts very very. Often he does those pretty, good
but things a little out of whack for he. Struggles
uh but you, know IF i put on a highlight
tape Where i'm gonna show the, positives he looks pretty damn. Good, athleticism,
accuracy ball, placement everything's pretty good for.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Him but you, KNOW i.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
Think there's JUST i think you just need some time
to develop. Somewhere And i'm not too sure his arm
strength is ever going to be quite elite enough to
be a, solid top, tier top ten quarterback on The
NATIONAL Footba. LEAGUE i think's always going to be a,
player you, know a back, up a solid maybe a,
starter maybe a top twenty type, guy maybe a you,
know a backup quarterback for a long. Time BUT i
just don't think he's going to crack in and be

(50:43):
one of the top.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Quarterbacks how would you factor in watching a guy like
will have or where you? Go, well he's a transfer,
guy so he's new to this. Offense early, on it
felt like it was a little hit or, Miss but

(51:05):
by the end of the, SEASON i mean he's throwing
beautiful go. Routes and he looked awesome BECAUSE i would
say halfway through the, season like this guy most overrated
quarterback in the. Country by the end of the, season
it's like he was looking Like Peyton manning in some
of those playoff.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
Games, yeah put him on early this season and put
the combine. On you'll never even want to draft, them, Right,
yeah but you put the games.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
On it really mattered where they had to win other Than.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
Michigan he was pretty damn good and very, accurate very,
poise had a good handle of the. Offense and you,
KNOW i saw him on my brother's quarterback, show THE
Qb camp. Thing very, SMART i, mean very competitive type
of guy you want in your. Building you know WHAT i,
mean a, winner and those intangibles have to mean something
to an. ORGANIZATION i, miss guy won a national. Championship he's,

(51:46):
competitive he's, smartest so he wants to be. Great so you,
know maybe not a first round or maybe not a second,
rounder but if we get this guy early in the
third to take a chance with, Him hell, yeah let's
get him in our building and see what he can.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Do and when you draft a guy in the third
or fourth, round there's way less pressure on him to
be the eventual.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Starter if you get you.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Know a ten year, backup that's a home run, pick, Right.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah for.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
Sure and there's BEEN i, Mean Russell wilson was third,
Round Kirk cuzzins fourth. Round there's been plenty of third
Round it's just turned out to be pretty damn. Good
SO i think you're, right there's less pressure on to
perform right. Away you know that you don't think he's
going to, perform just be a solid backup for the
rest of his. CAREER i, mean anytime he drafts a
guy a third, round whatever position it, is that's a
chance for them to you, know maybe the first year

(52:29):
learn and be a backup special teams or whatever or other,
positions and then eventual. Starter that's what it's all. About
quarterbacks are no.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Different, yeah is there a quarterback in this?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Class maybe we already touched on him that you like the,
Most maybe not going, high but just a guy that you,
know if you were in a, building you'd be, LIKE
i want to draft this guy.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
Sometime you, know, Crazy i'd take him in a sixth
or seventh round of quarterback From Indiana.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Rourke, yeah he's coming off an. INJURY i.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
KNOW i JUST i got to meet this guy because
anybody who take The university Of indiana to the playoff college,
PLAYOFF i got to meet.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Him.

Speaker 6 (53:04):
Right he's pretty. Active he played well At. Ohio he
had some good games In. Indiana interesting. GUY i don't
know what his injury. IS i think he is a
KNEE i think he played the whole year with an acl.
Injury he's a guy that IF i had A Matthew
stafford or a you, know veteran quarterback on my, Team
i'd get him in here as a third quarterback or fourth,
quarterback red shirt him for a, year get him into a.
Building But Twin yewers is interesting to. Me he's, accurate,

(53:27):
obviously his career At texas has been well. DOCUMENTED i
just don't know about his arm talent. Either Will howard
we mentioned, Already Jaln. Milroe i've got to get this.
GUY i gotta get. IT i get, him get him a.
JOB i, Mean i've never seen a guy run like.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
This he's he's faster Than.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
Lamar it looks like he's elusive his. ARM i think
he's a lot more accurate that people give him credit.
For he had some tough games And alabama had some
tough games with him scoring points Against.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Oklahoma some other.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
Games but he's got an elite, TALENT i mean elite
escapability talent and running. Talent and to get him into
building as your third quarterback or second quarterback on game
day and have a package of plays for, him it
could be pretty. Dangerous SO i think there's a skill
set that you feel like he can really. Develop Like
jalen has that athleticism and, Speed let's get him into the.

(54:11):
Building let's try to develop his footwork and his passing.
Attack let's get you, know some of these other guys
that are very, competitive very, smart love the, game and
get him into the building and see how they. Go
some guys will perform well. Somewhill but those are just
a few guys THAT i kind of.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Like if the only Tape Jalen milroe had was that
first half Against, georgia he'd be the number one overall.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Pick.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Right, see he, LOOKED i mean he looked better Than Caleb.
WILLIAMS i mean that, half that's as good as it.
Gets and then you'd watch That bowl. GAME i remember
watching Against. Michigan it was, like, geez what's going on?
Here but you're, right it was.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Weird see it's pretty.

Speaker 6 (54:42):
High, yeah, YEAH i, mean if you're gonna take a
chance on the, guy let's take a chance as a
guy this runs a four to two nine forty that's
gonna be in our building as opposed to you, know
an average arm strength guy that's a tough.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Guy you.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
Know it's just whatever you guys want to do as a.
Staff and if you can put together cause of plays and,
really uh make Jyaln milroe the type of guy that
can really help your team in a certain situations or,
whatever then you gotta take a.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
CHANCE i mean a touchdown. Pass also that through last
year in The Iron bowl to keep the season, alive
was he was rolling to his left cross by.

Speaker 6 (55:14):
Incredible, yeah he's, yeah so he does things like.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
That you're, well you know he's got it in, him you.

Speaker 6 (55:19):
Know so you, KNOW i think coming out people like
to compare him To lamar with his, athletics And lamar
is a much better passer coming.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Out but you never. Know you give this guy a
couple of years in the system and work with a quarterback, coach.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
AND i don't know if he'll never be an elite,
passer that's for, Sure but he might be effective enough
to really put a lot of pressure on defenses with his,
athleticism because this guy is elite when he has a
ball in his. Hands, NOW i mean maybe he's a
damn slot receiver or a third down back or something like,
that you, know just to get the ball in his,
hands and he's. Electrifying, OKAY a couple QUICK nfl quarterback

(55:51):
questions for you today was, reported WHICH i think was
the right move By brock showed.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Up obviously the contract. Issue he's a poll rising. PLAYER
i feel like WHEN i WHEN i close my eyes
and think the, GRUDENS i feel like you guys would
like Brock. Purty he's your type guy from an intangible
standpoint and from a playing. Standpoint, plus it feels like
everyone just naturally talks shit about, him and the natural
reaction from you guys would be to push. Back what

(56:17):
are your thoughts? On just obviously the, contract which how
much these quarterbacks are getting, paid is fit With kyle
and just ultimately what you would do if you were
in the forty nine or shoes when it came to
Brock purty in your future at.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Quarterback rock's, interesting.

Speaker 6 (56:32):
Man i'm telling you What Brock purty gives guys Like
kyle McCord And Quinn ewers and and all these.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
GUYS i, mean you guys Like Rock purty can do.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
It. SHIT i can do it just as good As
brock At Iowa, state. Right but he's gone out and
done it at a very high. Level he's been in
situations that have been pressure packed that performed pretty. Well,
obviously when guys got hurt around him last, year their
team didn't play quite as. Well he needs good players around,
him like all quarterbacks. DO i think That i'd be

(57:02):
a little reluctant to, say hellkay HIS i don't know
IF i want to pay him that much, money because
then you're gonna lose guys Like Deebo. Sam you're gonna
lose you, know Green, law and you're gonna Lose, Ufana
you're gonna Lose word At. CORNER i don't know if
your team is good enough not to have those guys
for him to be successful or. Not BUT i love

(57:22):
what he's.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
DONE i love his.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
Accuracy he's got a great feel for the. GAME i
Understands kyle's offense very very. Well some people say it's
because Of coyle's. Offense why Brock purry is. Good maybe
it's because the players around. Him that's why Brock perry
is very. Good maybe Brock perry is just pretty damn.
Good give him some. Credit SO i think there's a
fine line between how you have to evaluate Brock. Perry
but If i'm the forty Nine ers And John, LYNCH

(57:43):
i gotta pay. Him because IF i don't pay, him
then what AM i gonna go out and trade For Kirk,
cousins WHICH i could see happening BECAUSE i Know kyle Loves,
kirk or go in the draft bear ass, naked try
to find another one as good As brock has. PERFORMED
i think they gotta Pay.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Brock, yeah what's end? On one of your former assistant
coaches has a pretty difficult situation going on just because
he drafted a quarterback. High last. Year he had The
Sam darnold. Explosion sam's now In. Seattle the visual OF
jj in THE i think it was The lions. Game
he looked like you weigh one. Hundred i'd die for that.
Weight he's like one hundred and seventy. Pounds he's, skinny you. Know,

(58:21):
now it's like their roster on. PAPER i think most
people would agree top, three four five roster in THE.
Nfl but the quarterback, situation they thought About Aaron. Rodgers
as of right, now they haven't signed, him can you?
BANK i, mean they're coming off what a fourteen to
fifteen win. Season people are gonna be picking them to

(58:42):
compete right there with The eagles if they get good
quarterback play a guy that's not only never played AN
nfl regular season. Game, really when you look at how
he played in, college they didn't ask he played a
Little Jimmy Garoppolo Kyle shanahan. Style, right we're gonna run the,
ball we're gonna play, defense And kevin likes to pass
the ball from WHAT i, see you, know watching his team's,
play and obviously they're they're equipped to do. That it

(59:04):
seems a little, risky you, know And i'm PRO jj,
McCarthy but given the, expectation it's much easier as a
rookie quarterback when the expectations are high or excuse me,
low than to take over a team like The, vikings
where if you win anything less than like eleven twelve,
games they're going to be all over your. Ass so
good luck to your, guy because this is a difficult.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Spot they're very.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Good you, KNOW i was looking at their teeth for draft.
Needs i'm, like, well they don't need a, safety don't
need a really, corner they don't need any defensive, line
but they don't need a offensive. Line they don't even
need running, backs they don't need, receivers they don't need stacked.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
There they're pretty damn. Good you're, right and this is a.

Speaker 6 (59:38):
RISK i, mean this Is kevin O'Connell rolling the dice
man with everything on the line WITH jj, McCarthy AND
i thought they might Sign Aaron rodgers for a. Year and,
uh you, know IF jj proves to be one hundred,
percent Which i'm sure he is right, now and and
And aaron has to sit on a, bench that's. Fine
otherwise he can learn a, year get another red shirt
year for, him and Let Aaron rodgers. Play but obviously

(01:00:00):
they feel very strongly about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Him you, Know i'm with.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
You as far as The michigan tape's. Concerned he didn't
do a whole. Lot you, know there's play, actions flat,
routes a little high cross every now and then quick,
out you, Know so it wasn't he wasn't asked to
do a whole, lot and he's going to be asked
to do a lot. More AND i know he had
a good preseason. Game he had some good throws in
his preseason game that he played before he got. Hurt
BUT i don't know what to make of. It, man

(01:00:23):
this is a you, Know kevin knows these. Guys he's
got a good pulse of what this guy can, do
is competitive, spirit how he handles the, offense his understanding
of the. Game so he feels very. Confident this is
a bold.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Move By kevin and hopefully it works.

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
Out But i'm sure eventually they'll get some kind of
backup quarterback with some, experience somebody Like Andy dalton type
guy For Bryce, young you know WHAT i.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
MEAN i think they'll be looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
That assuming the money's. Right would you feel comfortable with
just the way The Aaron rodgers situation with The jets
and the, personality and you, know the interviews With, pat
he becomes a story in itself bringing him into a
situation where you have this young. Quarterback not That aaron
wouldn't get along with, them but it's just it's a
lot going, on which it does feel like why they

(01:01:06):
were just a little, hesitant just with the kind of
the show that comes along With.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
AARON i think the other issue is he have to
actually learn a new. Offense you, know they brought Over
Nathaniel hackett with them to The, jets that keep the
offense the same for, him so he's never had to
really learn new. Terminality not that he couldn't learn, it
but it is. Different and to be a forty year old,
quarterback you kind of want to have things your way
as a play. Call colin plays in the huddle and
That kevin would not change what he's been doing because

(01:01:31):
he's been pretty successful as. Well so that's the other.
Issue And i'm not Saying Aaron. Rodgers that might be
another veteran type guy that'll come free, eventually Maybe Jamis
winston if they draft a quarterback somebody like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
That BUT i don't, know but, YEAH i, think.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
You, know all eyes will be ON, jj AND i
THINK jj is ready for the for the. Opportunity but
how he, performs we'll. See he's got a good offensive
line and good back and hell of a receiving.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Corp what's your, uh what's your go to game at the?
Club you guys go a LITTLE. Nasa you, guys go,
banker you guys go? DO i, mean what's?

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Uh you, KNOW.

Speaker 6 (01:02:02):
I have lots of lots of different groups THAT i play.
With sometimes we just play stable for. Teams sometimes we
Played massoft two down autos and double the, back you,
know things like. That sometimes we play the dots for the,
trash all that, crap you, know, Yeah Greeny, sandies all that.
Stuff i'm about a big FANLY i liked straight. UP
i like mass all the. Best it's just you, know

(01:02:22):
you get, down you get. Pressed That's i'm a. PRESSER
i love THE p.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Word, yeah you like when you're.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
BACKSKINS i like your brother's mindset of you, know nineties Par,
so if you shoot eighty, five you had a hell
of a day out there on the golf.

Speaker 6 (01:02:34):
Course yeah THAT'S i used to keep score by. Fives
IF i was one under, fives that MEANS i shot
a eighty, nine.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Right, yeah, yeah, well, YEAH i appreciate it to have
a good day on the golf course and let's enjoy the.

Speaker 6 (01:02:46):
Draft, yeah thanks for having me on any.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
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