July 31, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin notices that all successful people including athletes all share the same quality, attention to detail while being considerate of others. Brock Purdy has what it takes to be a winning quarterback but never hold a trophy. Matt Stafford may just prove to us all this year that he’s better than Aaron Rodgers, and Colin looks over the Top 100 players within the NFL! Plus, LeSean McCoy joins the show
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It is the Herd in Los Angeles, wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thank you for
making us part of your day. Nick right in one
hour stops by today. So I saw something and this
matters a lot to me. And over the course of
my life, the very successful people I've been lucky enough
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to be associated with all share this quality, all of them?
What is the quality? Did they go to a great school?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Did they have rich parents?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Know?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Were they all know? There is a quality? Boy? Did
I see it? When I saw Tom Brady in person?
It just jumps out the quality. I'm gonna let you hear.
Caleb Williams, quarterback for the Bears, clearly has it. His
teammate Kevin Beard is a safety for the Bears, and
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he was on a Chicago radio station and he was
talking about one of the messages that Caleb Williams said.
He went front and center in the locker room and
he demanded something from his teammates and a lot of
you guys won't get this because it's like it's what
a lot of you guys are. But this is a great,
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great quality. And listen to this radio hit.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
First thing he says like, hey, man, we're all grown
in here, right. You know, we're getting a little too sloppy,
you know what I'm saying there. We're leaving water bottles
and towels and all types of things around. Man, Like
custodians have a lot that they have to a lot
of square footage. They have to cover at this whole building.
Let's try to help them out by cleaning up after ourselves.
And that's just little things, man, Because I just think
that when you want to be a great player, you
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always focus on the little details, you know.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
What I mean, not even just the details of the player,
but the details of everything around you.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Go ask Larry Fitzgerald how much film he watched, or
Cooper Cup Calvin Johnson. It's just not they run real
fast details. Caleb Williams living in the moment. Locker room's
a mess, it's too sloppy. Let's help the janitorial people.
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Consider it, of others, the opposite of narcissism. Let's clean
up our workplace. I always say this, Go to a restaurant.
If the restrooms are dirty, what does the kitchen look like?
When I had to hire an accountant, an entertainment accountant
in Los Angeles, I was given three people. The one
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I hired is the one I have. The coffees, the chocolates,
the sodas were lined up. It's the cleanest workspace I've
ever seen. Grant Nyman's his name. It's why I hired him,
and he's been amazing. It matters I told my kids sloppy, bedroom,
cluttered mine, get it right. Caleb Williams, concientious, Dak Prescott
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rookie year week eleven. They're winning a game. This shouldn't matter.
But I talked about this for weeks. All I got
was pushback. He throws a little cup behind him on
the bench and it doesn't go into the garbage. It's
no big deal, right, he makes a point of grabbing it,
being conscientious. I mean, if he doesn't pick it up,
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somebody else has to and putting it in the garbage.
It's a little thing. It matters. He has been in Dallas.
Not the best arm, not the best athlete, he's an
incredibly conscientious player. If you look at the great quarterbacks,
they're meticulous. They're precise, Breeze Manning, Brady, precision. This is
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what quarterback is. It is about precision. Sloppy quarterbacks let
it rip, don't watch that much film. I'll get it
up the field somewhere. Don't work. That's why I've always
said Brett Farv would not age as well today. He's
too sloppy, too ad lib making stuff up. He'd be talented,
but he wouldn't be precise. And that's the difference. I
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love Josh Allen, but he's not always precise, not always
great with the details. Without Brian Daball, he's not one
of the big games. That's the league inches, not feet,
and so Dack. In that moment when I talked about it, people'
say it doesn't matter. When Tom Brady came here and
sat on set, I've only been around Tom twice once
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he didn't see me. This time he did. The first
takeaway I have on Tom Brady is his dress is organized,
his speech is organized. The way he thinks and compartmentalizes
thoughts is organized. It reminds me a lot of Peyton
Manning when I've talked to him, buttoned up. So what
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Caleb Williams is saying is, hey, guys, it's a mess.
The little stuff matters. Pick up the water bottles, the towels. Also,
let's help the people around us. If we don't pick
it up, somebody else has to. Little stuff signs precision details.
It's a meticulous position. Name anything other than astronaut where
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three to four seconds and rapid decisions are the difference
between success and failure. That's the position on target, on
time particular. It is the Department of Weights and Measures,
and I just love this. I know it's little go
ahead and push back. But in my life, these successful
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people I've met, it could be my attorney, it could
be Tom Brady, it could be executives. They don't have
sloppy offices. They're meticulous, they're prepared. The little stuff matters.
People that do little stuff well in my lifetime are
always better at the big stuff. They're not caught off guard.
They're not ad living through life. I tell people this,
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when you're late to pick somebody up, you're late to
the airport, it's just inconsiderate. It's narcissistic. You're thinking about
you and not others. Don't be late to stuff, be
on time. It speaks volumes of you. So I saw
this story. Brock perty is saying, Hey, people have asked
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him about this, and he has said, I understand kind
of my role in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Here's brock Purty.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
He's one of the.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Best play callers in the in the league, in the NFL,
And so for me, I'm still looking at it like
I'm learning from this guy. However, he sees it wherever
he's calling like I'm gonna trust that and we're gonna
roll with it. I'm not gonna walk out this year ago,
and all right, I've played enough football and I'm gonna
just start calling my own things and Kyle's gonna hundred
that trust me. No, it's I still got to learn
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and believe and trust of what he's calling is right.
And I'm gonna play within that system. And if I
ever do see something, I can do it. But I
got to be able to come back off the sideline
and tell him why I did that.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So for the record, people think I'm highly critical of
brock perty and I said this yesterday to j Mac.
J Mack loves him so much. I'm like pump the brakes.
He's the last player pick for a reason. But it's
not that I don't like him. But what he's saying
is I understand my role in Kyle's system. Now, for
the record, I think most young quarterbacks do. Most don't
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come in cocky and ad lib. So this is kind
of the foundation. What he's telling you is I'm good
at the foundational stuff that matters. But that's never been
the question with Brock Purty. Sean McVay bailed on Jared Goff,
who got him too a Super Bowl. He didn't bail
on Jared Goff because he wasn't coachable or didn't listen,
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or didn't understand his place in mcveigh's system. He bailed
on him because when Belichick solved the wizardry of mcveigh's
offense in the Super Bowl, Goff couldn't make a play
outside of structure. If you go to Nick Saban's career
at Alabama, the quarterbacks he lost to, and some of
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them I didn't even love Johnny Manziel, were guys that
could do things out of structure. Now, you don't want
that to be the foundation of the house. But Patrick
Mahomes is trailed by ten points in the last two
Super Bowls and he has won both not because of structure,
but because second half, fourth quarter limping. He has to
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reel off one of those great plays. I still think
San Francisco and Philadelphia had better rosters than Kansas City.
Kansas City's structure allowed them to keep it close, and
eventually the great ones that hold the trophies up have
to make something happen. But you can win a lot
of games in this league. Being DAK and Cousins. I'll
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give you an example, Alex Smith. There's two traits in
this league that will win you a lot of games,
smart and accurate. Brock Purty is clearly both Cousins, Dak
Alex Smith have won a lot of games because they're
smart and accurate, but they're not hosting trophies because as
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you play deeper into the playoffs, you face an Allen,
a Lamar, a Stafford, a Burrow, a ma Holmes. And
that's my question contextualizing it about Purdy, I think he's
in the class of Dak and Cousins and Alex Smith.
And by the way, Alex Smith is sixty nine thirty
one and one when he had Harbor Andy Reid, but
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both Harbor Andy Reid at one point said I'm gonna
move off him. So Purdy has the Cousins, Dak Alex
Smith traits, and those traits can win divisions, and those
traits can win a lot of games three out of four,
but they don't hold trophies. And eventually the standard with
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Shanahan and the Niners is going to be tested because
if Brock once again when he's not being paid, and
you can stack the roster, which you can't do. Once
you pay him, then you got to peel off three
or four stars. But if he can't win that big
game against a Stafford, he can't win that big game
against an emerging a Jordan Love or a Ma Holmes
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or an Alan Lamar Herbert with Harbaugh, then Shanahan will
have to make the same decision Andy Reid did with
Alex Smith or Harbaugh did with Alex. By the way,
Dak cousins, Alex exceptionally smart, coachable, accurate, trophies ask for
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something beyond that, and I think what Shanahan is pursuing
is beyond that. So there is not a criticism of Purdy,
just trying to put it and frame it so so
you know, I'm not anti brock guy.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I saw something I was thinking about this the quarterbacks
and people. We all have different journeys. I mean, you
went to college. I went to college. I didn't go
to college with any rich people, right like, right like,
all of us kind of came middle class or below families.
I went to a small regional college. But it is
fascinating in college when you learn other people's journeys. Some
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kids come from great families, some broken families, some come
from you know there, it's a mess, and it's very
important that we realize, you know, they always have the
saying be nice to people. You don't know what they've
been through in that day. That people have different journeys daily, weekly, monthly,
annually in a lifetime. And I was thinking about this
with a certain quarterback and I think he has the
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most fascinating journey in the NFL and it's Matt Stafford.
And some of the details of his contract came out,
and I want to I want to talk about Matt
Stafford and his journey and how we could perceive him
significantly different if he got to another Super Bowl. Don't
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be crazy. He's got the coach, he's got the weapons.
Just just it's I'm gonna give you some perspective on
Matt Stafford. His journey to me is a fascinating one,
and I think it's it is aligned with a lot
of people watching or listening to my show today, and
I want to talk about that next. He's got a
lot more in common with you, despite the fact that
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you listening or watching are not an NFL quarterback and
worth two hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 1 (13:37):
Welcome back. It is a Wednesday, Nick, right about forty
five minutes from now. Good time of the year. Watch
some Olympics. It was nice. Now I'm back into football tomorrow.
Don't forget Bears. Texans. We're told Caleb Williams unfortunately will
not play. Gotta see a little Caleb Williams. Right, they're
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saying you won't play. Thinking about Matt Stafford, they just
readid his contract with the Rams, And it's real easy
to do what I do, or what j Mack does,
or people in this space to just say the obvious stuff.
And sometimes people like us, we'll go out there and
make predictions, have theories and they're wrong. But this is
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a thought exercise. What I'm going to present to you
is a thought exercise. May not be right, but it's
something interesting to think about. The Premise is you may
think much differently legacy wise of Matt Stafford and Aaron
Rodgers by the end of this season in February, so
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in high school, Matt Stafford was much better best high
school quarterback in the country. Aaron had to go to
a junior college. Stafford was better up to eighteen years old.
Stafford was also a much better college quarterback Georgia than
Aaron Rodgers. Now we're up to twenty two years old.
Matt Stafford was also better until twenty five years old
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because he actually played in the NFL. Aaron rode the bench,
but Stafford had a bad ownership, bad gms, multiple coaches,
multiple coordinators, horrible defenses. In twelve years in Detroit, Stafford
had three different head coaches, four different coordinators, and in
twelve years, one thousand yard rushers, averaged a below average
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offensive lines, two winning seasons in seven years. Hey, he
had Calvin Johnson. Yeah, great, one great receiver. In his
twelve years in Detroit, the Lions were the third worst
defense in the league. They got him one receiver, everything
else stunk. Similarly, Aaron in his thirteen yearish peak in
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Green Bay had an elite front office, excellent o lines.
I looked it up this morning. In those peak years
the number one eight rank defense and oh, by the way,
seven different seasons, seven not one like Stafford, seven, seven
times more than Stafford had at least one thousand yard rushers.
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They drafted better, they protected better. He had better coaches,
both offensive and we view Rogers up here in Stafford
down there. But let's go back to high school. Stafford
much better. College not necessarily close. First four years Stafford
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actually played when he wasn't hurt because of the bad
surrounding cast. So for those thirteen prime years, Aaron was
the trust fund kid, didn't have to worry about safety
or was he going to be fed tonight? And Stafford
was scrapping for his own meals. Divorce a mess metaphorically,
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every day was an adventure, a roller coaster in Errol.
But now the roles have been switched, and Stafford has
the great coach, the capable GM, the excellent owner who's
not impulsive, the very good weapons, and in three seasons
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Matt Stafford has already won a super Bowl and has
a better winning percentage four and one in the playoffs
than Aaron ever did. And it's erin now, the impulsive
week owner, the unproven coach, the rickety rebuilt again offensive line.
Let me ask you, in six months from today, if
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Stafford's in another NFC championship and this morning I have
them as one of four teams that could be Health
is obviously big and Aaron fizzles out again. We sure
Aaron's much better ioas said, I'm not impressed with Trust
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Fund kids. It must be nice to wake up knowing
the meals will be perfect. You're driving a great car.
You don't have to worry about chaos at home. Don't
feel like working, you don't have to. There's a safety net.
I'm much more impressed with somebody that may make significantly less,
but professionally has cobbled together a redeemable life with a
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really tough background. Stafford was better easily in high school,
college and as an early pro, but then he got
a really bad family. Now he's got a good one again.
Don't be surprised if he separates again from Aaron Rodgers.
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Speaker 1 (19:23):
So the NFL players, they do this annually vote on
the one hundred top players in the league. So you know,
quarterback is what we all stare at. So now they're
down to the first ninety players. Now Mahomes and Lamar
are not in it yet, so I can assure you
that Mahomes will be number one or two. I would
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imagine number one. Lamar will be somewhere in the top ten.
So that will mean they have twelve quarterbacks so far.
For our radio audience, I'll read this, they have Josh
Allen as the third best quarterback in the league, so
Lamar Lamar is going to be somewhere to to eleven.
Mahomes will be number one. So quarterbacks in the NFL
that are rated in this top one hundred. Obviously it's
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all positions. So there's Josh Allen at twelve, Jalen Hurts fifteen,
Dack at sixteen, c J. Stroud twenty, Broughck Purty to
twenty eighth best player voted on by players. Jordan Love
thirty four to two at thirty six, Joe Burrow thirty nine,
Matt Stafford criminally underrated at forty two, Jared Goff ditto
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at forty eight, Justin Herbert likewise at seventy five, Kirk
Cousins eighty one, Aaron Rodgers ninety two, Trevor Lawrence at
ninety four. So what does that tell you? It tells
you so far. Let's see one two, So far there
are is that fourteen I'm counting, and they've and they've
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got two more coming. So sixteen of the one hundred
best players will be quarterbacks. Sixteen of the in half
the league. So half the league is working the phones
and trying to find the guy. The other half has
their guy. Is basically the easiest way to say it.
Half the league they got their dude. Half the league
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wants their dude. And I don't really have a problem
with the first three mahomes Alan Lamar put him in
any order you want, I'm good with it. What do
you make of Well, let me just ask you anything
that jumps out to you.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Jane.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Let's remind the audience that this voting took place like
last November, and if you think around that time, they
do a lot of questions, why aren't they like.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Jordan Loveday hadn't didn't carve up the Cowboys yet, I.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Love hadn't really done much.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
And by the way, the Chiefs at that time were
not a juggernaut by any stretch. The forty nine ers were.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Which is why they have a ton of guys on
the on the list here. I just noticed Kyler Murray.
You think he cracks the top ten? Your guy completely
left off the.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Top n Yeah, well, let me just say this.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He was injured last year.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And the players a lot of times are good at playing.
To have you would admit Stafford at forty two below
Tua even you would acknowledge below brought pretty Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You have to remember last year TUA was on fire.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
They dropped like seventy points on the on the Broncos,
they were off like one of the all time great offenses.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Stafford last year was on fire in November two good.
He had a very good season last year.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I think the bigger star was Pooka and it was like, oh,
who is better than Cooper Cup And it was less
about Stafford.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, listen, I can't get too worked up about these lists.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
No, I'm just throwing it. By the way, are you angry, No,
I'm not angry.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You've got fourteen, you've got two more. What it's telling
you is the players view Aaron Rodgers as the fifteenth
best quarterback in the league. He played four snaps flash well,
but again, remember players, people have memories. It's not like.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I this is actually in fairness. I think Aaron's closer
to fifteenth than one at this point in his career.
I do not think if you go to his last
year at Green Bay with a good old line, with
a good coach, with good weapons, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
What's he gonna do this year thirty five hundred yards,
twenty five touchdowns like average numbers.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think he will look like somewhere between the tenth
and fifteenth best quarterback. That's where I think he is
at this point. Yeah, I think the rest of the
world except the players, have Aaron in the top six.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I don't think that's why. I think, forty years old
off surgery, so so committed offseason, I don't put him there.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Crazy.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
They're probably gonna be a We're gonna run the ball
a lot and win with defense.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
That's my guest.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
This is not gonna be Aaron Rodgers aerin at out
thirty five times a game. I just I don't see
that in the cards.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
CJ.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Stroud, Sure, maybe.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But I mean I think both of us think this morning.
Jordan lover Aaron Rodgers. I think Jordan's better wait wait
for this season. Yes, no question. He's younger, he's got
a better arm, he moves better, don't have the injuries,
he's more committed.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
All right, I'll give it to you. I'll give it
to you, not by a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'm not saying the gaps the Grand Canyon. I'm saying it.
Look when I watched Jordan Love play his movement, his arm, Dude,
can he can spin it?
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I wish we could tell.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I mean here, but by the way, our staff excellent
work here. Last ten starts, including the playoffs between the
two of that. And by the way, those numbers aren't
particularly close. Nine of those ten games are Packer games.
So give me a break on Aaron doesn't play.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
What if we extend it from ten to I don't know, seventeen,
like Aaron.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Jordan doesn't even be barely A seventeen starts interesting. Don't
forget Aaron's first year as a starter six and ten?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
What you sandbag and side?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I don't think again? This is not a criticism forty
years old off of surgery with a rebuilt old line. Ye,
but I'm just saying, is I think again? Aaron's the
first Baut Hall of Famer. I think he's closer to
the fifteenth best quarterback than the first. How's this?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Aaron Rodgers has stuff to prove this year? Yes, I
don't think Jordan Love does right he is?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
They both do well.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Rogers definitely does coming off the injury.
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Speaker 1 (25:17):
Shady comes on the show. Leshawn McCoy, six time pro bowler,
twelve year six playoffs. It's hard for him because he
has friends who are players in the NFL and j
Max out here throwing fastballs, beanballt Jalen Ramsey and Cam
Newton and poor you go out and see Jalen Ramsey
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and Cam. Can I tell you about Cam? Though Cam
drove me crazy as a player. He was never as
good as he thought. But I kind of like him
on his podcast.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Oh he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I like him on his podcast a lot.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
MVP Cam Well, for sure, he's fun.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
But I want though, he has that type of personality
that he's always had that right and uh, I think
now you get the hair from MVP. High sees the game, right,
high grades players. I like him post football, I.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Think I do do and he and he always was.
He kind of just sometimes I thought he kind of
went into Cam world and it's like, yeah, you're quarterbacking
a franchise, but any be that as it may. So
I'm watching Hard Knocks and it really bothered me when
the owner Mara is sitting there with a GM and
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they're talking about Saquon Barkley and the Giants. GM's like,
I don't know where he's gonna land, And I think,
if I'm the owner, all I know is this, I
don't want him in Philadelphia. That's not the answer. I
think Saquon it's gonna go from a bad old line
to an elite. I think he's gonna crush this year.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
Absolutely, you know what's crazy. So I was with Joe
and Buffalo. Yeah, smart dude really really good. So watching
him now on The Hard Knocks is hard for me
because some of the things that he's saying and that
some of the movies making I didn't see that guy
and Buffalo, right. I seen Sean McDermot have a solid team,
Brandon Bean, have a solid guys around that know the game.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
And when I.
Speaker 9 (27:06):
Listen to him talk, it's like they're playing fantasy football.
Brian Daball is one of the best coaches you gonna find.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
That's why he's that good.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
That's why there was even a conversation about playing very well,
as far as a conversation about even paying a guy
like Daniel Jones any type of money because he's a
real awful player.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
But Brian Dabo's so.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Good he madn't look decent, right, And so when I
heard the conversations about Saquons, like we really.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
In the world where we're thinking about.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
Giving the keys to Dave Jones and letting our best player, o,
our biggest identity on offense leave and then potentially go
to a rival team with the Eaws.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
And now when you watch Sacon Barkley, I'm good.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
First a lot of them guys over there, I mean
I did a golfing event with Saquan a couple of
weeks ago, and we're just talking about the game. He
was like, it's crazy being on the team like the
eas where everybody's really really good, right where he's used
to being all the focal point of offense. Everybody's worried
about him. Now he's on the team where he might
not be the best player you got aj So now
I think Saquans would have a crazy year seventeen hundred yard.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
By the way, Shady, you can't put the safeties in
the box and go to Eagles, come on, because they
have two deep threats. Against the Giant, you could just
crowd the box.
Speaker 9 (28:13):
And then and another thing is the quarterback can run, right,
That's that's another thing you gotta you know, account for.
So I think Saquan is probably, in my opinion, the
most talents and running back in football, the most talented
h and then we look at a guy like DeAndre Swift.
We had an amazing year last year. Yeah, and then
I think that we did upgrade with Saquon, so mage
what year he's wanna have.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I mean, Scott's looking for the Eagles this year.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I can't wait to take the audience through this. Though
you played with one, two, three, four different offensive lines, well,
four teams multiple tell me the you don't even have
the name names you can if you want. What's the
difference from a running backs perspective, going from the worst
ole line you played? Yeah to the best? How does
the world change for you?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Man, I's the best?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (28:56):
So what my Eagles line when I led the league
in Russian was really really really really good. Right, and
we knew all knew each other, like, for example, Okay,
Jeff Stout was the line coach, really really good for
the Eagles and simplifying the offense in the running game.
So when we had guys like Jason Peters, who's the
best part I ever played with, aside from the quarterbacks,
we knew on third downs we go on to his side,
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we're gonna do dual blocks. We're gonna block down or
block up to the linebackers.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Right.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
We get a guy like Kelsey, right, Jason Kelce, I
knew how good he was, Okay, so his thing was we.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Want to get him on the perimeter of the pool.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
So when you start knowing your guys what they do best,
it makes the game easier when I went to Buffalo,
solid offense along we had a guy like Richie Cognito, right, strong, physical,
You want to run powers with him? Right, Eric Wood
smart dude can get on the perimeter. Also he can
do power blocks, good guard, right, So everything in this
matters when you know the scheme.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Now, I will say its about the Giants though.
Speaker 9 (29:50):
Yeah it was a bad team, not a lot of talent,
but running the ball, they were pretty solid.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
That The problem was.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
Is that, right if we know you're gonna run the
ball every down from first to thirds, like, okay, we
can game plan for yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Let me ask you. There's here's a I've said this
about the Jets. We're paying too much attention to Aaron Rodgers.
First of all, last year there were fourteen playoff teams, right,
only one coach kind of, Todd Bowles kind of was
on the hot seat. But it was the first Tampa
year without Brady, so Todd wasn't really on the hot seat.
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I think when a coach is on the hot seat,
they coached differently. So forget Aaron Rodgers, Robert sol is
on the hotest seat. You can make different decisions and
games on that. The second thing is the CBA now
has limited twenty eight to six padded practices. What it
means is, I think it hurts offensive lines early in
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the season. That's the hardest unit.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Igree I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So we got a coach with Aaron Rodgers, who is
the hottest seat. We have an O line of three
new guys, veterans, two of them who have fewer padded practices,
and nobody plays in the preseason. I don't think the
season's Aaron. I think it's how solid coaches and the
development of the O line with a forty year old quarterback.
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So I think the new CBA years ago screwed up
old lines and the teams like Detroit that has a
great one they come back, or Philadelphia. Yeah, it's a
huge September October Advanage. So I guess my point to
you is when you look at the Jets, do you
worry about forget just Aaron like protection Sala. Did you
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ever play on a team that had a team a
coach on the hot seat? Did you think they coached
differently and practice differently?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
So on a hot.
Speaker 9 (31:38):
Seat, man, like it's good and bad? I guess because
now it's like I'm coaching for something where other coaches, Okay,
I got a couple of years to get my thing together,
fill myself through this thing where now I gotta win now.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
But the good thing I think about the.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
Jets, right, And I know a lot of conversations about
Aaron Rodgers because to be honest, we haven't seen him
play in a long time.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
And the last time we seen him play, he was
not that good.
Speaker 9 (31:59):
Right in Green Bay, Right, it was not that good
in Green Bay, okay, and then then with the Jets,
he only played with four players, So we don't know
what Aaron we're getting, right. I think with the Jets,
they're in a good position because I watched the Jets
battle with really really good defense. I watched Jets baller
solid offensive play from the running game, right, and I
look at Breese Hall, who's I think is phenomenal talent.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
So now when you look at it, they can run
the ball. Well.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
They got some new wide receivers, right, not to Aaron
Rodgers homeboys, Right, you got some guys that can really
go out there and play.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
They're in a good shape.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
And I think, I hate to say this, I think
they won the division if Aaron Rodgers is just see,
we don't need the MVP Aaron Rodgers. We don't need
that defense. Yeah, it got defense. I feel that the
times with a rod was at his best, he had
to throw the ball. He had to do he had
to score, he had to put points up. Well with
the Jets, you don't need to do that. The defense
is solid enough up front, in the back end and
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linebacker they're solid.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
So now I look at the offensive side, some good weapons, right.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
You got a good running game or ayon on need
to throw the ball forty times from the win. Right,
So it may look different this year. I do think
they have a chance. I just want to see how
they look man when they start playing. I don't agree
with the sitting them out in preseason because I got.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Like Andy Reid, you're gonna play right now.
Speaker 9 (33:12):
You might not play a lot, but I need to
get you having live bullets. You just tore your achilles
a year ago, right and now when the live busts
are happening. A coach can't stop the game. You can't
stop the practice where if a god gets too close
to you blow the whistle or defend the nose. If
I get to close to the quarterback gott to slow down. No,
in a real game, I need to see how Aaron
Rodgers high moves. Okay, guys in his face, slide to
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the right, making pass or or the other side so
small that I need to see him play because I
have to see what Aaron Rodgers were getting. But I
think they just have a solid team.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I want to show you the players, the top one
hundred players on the top one hundred list. So now, Mahomes,
they've gotten through ninety players. Homes is gonna be number one,
Lamar is gonna be somewhere in the top ten for sure.
So so far, if the ninety players, there are fourteen quarterbacks,
there'll be two more sixteen. And my take is basically
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the top sixteen guys means that these guys, those teams
are they got their guy. The other sixteen probably don't.
Is anything on this list, sorry for the radio audience.
Anything on this list so far? Anybody in a space
you don't agree with?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
So the Jalen Hurts go yet he went.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Jalen Hurts is fifteen.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Okay, so this is act. This is active right here,
this is okay. I don't like the Aaron Rodgers on there.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Hazi on his list.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Ninety two, he's a fourteen. He'd have him as a
fifteenth best quarterback.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
But he hasn't. He didn't play last year. Okay, you
know what I'm saying. The year the area.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I think what jumped out to me is the disrespect
of matt Stafford. You're telling me he is. He's gonna
write number forty.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
So yeah, I like Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So they said they have him as seventeen that is
the eleventh or tenth best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
Yeah, I don't like that because I got him in
my top three, top.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Four in it on.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Did you see him yesterday NFC?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
He looked good yesterday, right, look good. And the crazy
thing is he's in my drag las. We were about
that that I went to their camp yesterday. Whereas he's
an A nine jack classing me and he still is good,
lost weight, his arm looks strong, he puts the ball
in places that other quarters can't do it.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
And then Trevor Lawrence. I'm not really big on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
All right, Turnovers, turnovers.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
I mean it's like when I ask people this question,
I'm gonna ask you because you're a brilliant guy, right,
What makes Trevor Lawrence special?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, I have confirmation bias. So here's my problem. I
saw him play in high school. I thought it was
the best high school quarterback I'd seen for years, and
I loved him in college. So now he goes to
the NFL and he has a playoff win, but he
hasn't been good. So I fight the fact that I
loved him when I saw him at seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty,
twenty one, twenty two, I loved him so much. I
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said he was the next Andrew Luck.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
That's what everybody's saying about it.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
That now is it distorting the reality because there is
one thing. J Max pointed this out. That dude turns
the ball over a lot.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
And and you know what happens about this, No matter
he talks about it. If it's Dak Prescott, were gonna
talk about it, I'm gonna talk about it.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
So I'm not biased. I'm honest. Like when I watch
Lawrence player, I don't see it.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
At high school, he had a top high school team,
correct talented guys, guys on Division one.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Then he goes to Clemton.
Speaker 9 (36:14):
I mean, god, they get all the top all Americans
from defense to office.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
You got all the best players. So now when the.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
Stage is set and we got you playing against elite
versus elite, you don't look elite. You don't look close
to elite. And if you want to be technical, the
best PlayN of office is not him.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
So what we asked these questions about setting the market
up with the quarterback, the money they're making and who's
getting paid. It's funny that a guy like CD Lamb
could be elite. Let's say, Justin Jefferson's better than CD Lamb, Right,
most people say that, But how much better they're both
or elite? So when it's my time to get the extension,
I should jump over him because I'm an elite player
and so is he. Well, you asked a guy like
Trevor Lawrence. You jumping over Joe Barrownoy's other guys? Why
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because you play quarterback. I have a hard time with
that because there's a lot of great players that are
not getting paid their value or fighting for it because
they don't play quarterback.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
How many good tight ends can't get paid?
Speaker 9 (37:06):
Come on, man, and Tristan the left tackle for Christian Worst.
Now I play with him as a as in my
last year with the Bucks. I remember we're in We're
in the group, me, Tom Brady, Mike Evans, like the
offensive skilled players.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
He was a rookie.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
We were like, oh my god, who is this kid?
God took his time making him right right, And.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Then I look, and then I look. It was all
probably thinks.
Speaker 9 (37:30):
So then I look at now where they're saying that
the Tampa Bay and Tristan are far apart, and I'm thinking, like,
if he played quarterback, he could come to camp right,
have a hat on, have a shorts on, hanging out,
and he knows the deal is gonna be done because
he plays quarterback and he'll have to he'll have to
be elite. So my question like telling my son, yo,
make sure you're the best, be the best, be the greatest.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Well, we don't have to tell nobody that.
Speaker 9 (37:52):
Now, just play quarterback because you could be good quarterback
and make elite money. It's crazy how it is now,
it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Finally, any chance, Justin Fields wins the locker room and
by week six or seven, Steelers lose two straight and
he surpasses the less popular Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Everybody loved to the very and they loved him as
a guy.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
That's a good question because he's young, he's younger.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Athletic, he's bigger, he'll run better. And again, players loved
him in Chicago and he was losing. Usually they I
don't like the quarterback when they lose. People loved him
in Chicago.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
The only issue with him is I don't think he's
very good. I really don't.
Speaker 9 (38:35):
So as much as I like you, we get to that,
we get to the field, and I'm like, he's not
that good. For example, Russell's worst year with the Broncos,
that was pretty bad. If I told you that he
had a better year than Justin had his last year,
would you believe that?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Because that's true?
Speaker 9 (38:53):
Yeah, right, So I just as much as we like
a player, I mean, I just and he's younger, so
I try to give younger guys like more excuse and
more chances.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
But he's really not that good. I mean, you'll watch him,
I mean I could. I mean you watch him play.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, he fourth quarters when the game's on the line,
and if he's not leading, he's not winning.
Speaker 9 (39:12):
I've watched him lose so many Another thing, I watched
his team fight and fight and fight to win the game.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
And then he'll lose the game, he'll give it up, right.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
And then I just have a weird thing with Harve
State quarterback because they're always good. I can't name a
bad and college right, and then it gets to the
league and like, well, j Stroud, he's the only one.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
He is.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
He's the best one by far, by far. He is great, shady.
It's always a pleasure, always good, good to see. Hey
and Jake.
Speaker 9 (39:38):
Please leave my guys alone. I'm tired of being your
lawyer defending you. By the way, Cam Newton, I told him,
I let him.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Know, you know what, I would like to have Cam
on because I think I think he's a great podcaster,
was a good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
He's promising podcaster. But do you want to tell him
your backstory with fields or is that not for on air?
Speaker 5 (39:56):
No, that's not fair, not fair.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
By the way, I kept my gum secret for twenty
four hours. Wait, I have my new gum. I sometimes
there's secrets.
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It is the Herd in Los Angeles, wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thank you for
making us part of your day. Nick right in one
hour stops by today. So I saw something and this
matters a lot to me. And over the course of
my life, the very successful people I've been lucky enough
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to be associated with all share this quality, all of them?
What is the quality? Did they go to a great school?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Did they have rich parents?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Know?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Were they all know? There is a quality? Boy? Did
I see it? When I saw Tom Brady in person?
It just jumps out the quality. I'm gonna let you hear.
Caleb Williams, quarterback for the Bears, clearly has it. His
teammate Kevin Beard is a safety for the Bears, and
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he was on a Chicago radio station and he was
talking about one of the messages that Caleb Williams said.
He went front and center in the locker room and
he demanded something from his teammates and a lot of
you guys won't get this because it's like it's what
a lot of you guys are. But this is a great,
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great quality. And listen to this radio hit.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
First thing he says like, hey, man, we're all grown
in here, right. You know, we're getting a little too sloppy,
you know what I'm saying there. We're leaving water bottles
and towels and all types of things around. Man, Like
custodians have a lot that they have to a lot
of square footage. They have to cover at this whole building.
Let's try to help them out by cleaning up after ourselves.
And that's just little things, man, Because I just think
that when you want to be a great player, you
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always focus on the little details, you know.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
What I mean, not even just the details of the player,
but the details of everything around you.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Go ask Larry Fitzgerald how much film he watched, or
Cooper Cup Calvin Johnson. It's just not they run real
fast details. Caleb Williams living in the moment. Locker room's
a mess, it's too sloppy. Let's help the janitorial people.
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Consider it, of others, the opposite of narcissism. Let's clean
up our workplace. I always say this, Go to a restaurant.
If the restrooms are dirty, what does the kitchen look like?
When I had to hire an accountant, an entertainment accountant
in Los Angeles, I was given three people. The one
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I hired is the one I have. The coffees, the chocolates,
the sodas were lined up. It's the cleanest workspace I've
ever seen. Grant Nyman's his name. It's why I hired him,
and he's been amazing. It matters I told my kids sloppy, bedroom,
cluttered mine, get it right. Caleb Williams, concientious, Dak Prescott
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rookie year week eleven. They're winning a game. This shouldn't matter.
But I talked about this for weeks. All I got
was pushback. He throws a little cup behind him on
the bench and it doesn't go into the garbage. It's
no big deal, right, he makes a point of grabbing it,
being conscientious. I mean, if he doesn't pick it up,
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somebody else has to and putting it in the garbage.
It's a little thing. It matters. He has been in Dallas.
Not the best arm, not the best athlete, he's an
incredibly conscientious player. If you look at the great quarterbacks,
they're meticulous. They're precise, Breeze Manning, Brady, precision. This is
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what quarterback is. It is about precision. Sloppy quarterbacks let
it rip, don't watch that much film. I'll get it
up the field somewhere. Don't work. That's why I've always
said Brett Farv would not age as well today. He's
too sloppy, too ad lib making stuff up. He'd be talented,
but he wouldn't be precise. And that's the difference. I
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love Josh Allen, but he's not always precise, not always
great with the details. Without Brian Daball, he's not one
of the big games. That's the league inches, not feet,
and so Dack. In that moment when I talked about it, people'
say it doesn't matter. When Tom Brady came here and
sat on set, I've only been around Tom twice once
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he didn't see me. This time he did. The first
takeaway I have on Tom Brady is his dress is organized,
his speech is organized. The way he thinks and compartmentalizes
thoughts is organized. It reminds me a lot of Peyton
Manning when I've talked to him, buttoned up. So what
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Caleb Williams is saying is, hey, guys, it's a mess.
The little stuff matters. Pick up the water bottles, the towels. Also,
let's help the people around us. If we don't pick
it up, somebody else has to. Little stuff signs precision details.
It's a meticulous position. Name anything other than astronaut where
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three to four seconds and rapid decisions are the difference
between success and failure. That's the position on target, on
time particular. It is the Department of Weights and Measures,
and I just love this. I know it's little go
ahead and push back. But in my life, these successful
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people I've met, it could be my attorney, it could
be Tom Brady, it could be executives. They don't have
sloppy offices. They're meticulous, they're prepared. The little stuff matters.
People that do little stuff well in my lifetime are
always better at the big stuff. They're not caught off guard.
They're not ad living through life. I tell people this,
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when you're late to pick somebody up, you're late to
the airport, it's just inconsiderate. It's narcissistic. You're thinking about
you and not others. Don't be late to stuff, be
on time. It speaks volumes of you. So I saw
this story. Brock perty is saying, Hey, people have asked
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him about this, and he has said, I understand kind
of my role in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Here's brock Purty.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
He's one of the.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Best play callers in the in the league, in the NFL,
And so for me, I'm still looking at it like
I'm learning from this guy. However, he sees it wherever
he's calling like I'm gonna trust that and we're gonna
roll with it. I'm not gonna walk out this year ago,
and all right, I've played enough football and I'm gonna
just start calling my own things and Kyle's gonna hundred
that trust me. No, it's I still got to learn
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and believe and trust of what he's calling is right.
And I'm gonna play within that system. And if I
ever do see something, I can do it. But I
got to be able to come back off the sideline
and tell him why I did that.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So for the record, people think I'm highly critical of
brock perty and I said this yesterday to j Mac.
J Mack loves him so much. I'm like pump the brakes.
He's the last player pick for a reason. But it's
not that I don't like him. But what he's saying
is I understand my role in Kyle's system. Now, for
the record, I think most young quarterbacks do. Most don't
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come in cocky and ad lib. So this is kind
of the foundation. What he's telling you is I'm good
at the foundational stuff that matters. But that's never been
the question with Brock Purty. Sean McVay bailed on Jared Goff,
who got him too a Super Bowl. He didn't bail
on Jared Goff because he wasn't coachable or didn't listen,
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or didn't understand his place in mcveigh's system. He bailed
on him because when Belichick solved the wizardry of mcveigh's
offense in the Super Bowl, Goff couldn't make a play
outside of structure. If you go to Nick Saban's career
at Alabama, the quarterbacks he lost to, and some of
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them I didn't even love Johnny Manziel, were guys that
could do things out of structure. Now, you don't want
that to be the foundation of the house. But Patrick
Mahomes is trailed by ten points in the last two
Super Bowls and he has won both not because of structure,
but because second half, fourth quarter limping. He has to
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reel off one of those great plays. I still think
San Francisco and Philadelphia had better rosters than Kansas City.
Kansas City's structure allowed them to keep it close, and
eventually the great ones that hold the trophies up have
to make something happen. But you can win a lot
of games in this league. Being DAK and Cousins. I'll
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give you an example, Alex Smith. There's two traits in
this league that will win you a lot of games,
smart and accurate. Brock Purty is clearly both Cousins, Dak
Alex Smith have won a lot of games because they're
smart and accurate, but they're not hosting trophies because as
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you play deeper into the playoffs, you face an Allen,
a Lamar, a Stafford, a Burrow, a ma Holmes. And
that's my question contextualizing it about Purdy, I think he's
in the class of Dak and Cousins and Alex Smith.
And by the way, Alex Smith is sixty nine thirty
one and one when he had Harbor Andy Reid, but
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both Harbor Andy Reid at one point said I'm gonna
move off him. So Purdy has the Cousins, Dak Alex
Smith traits, and those traits can win divisions, and those
traits can win a lot of games three out of four,
but they don't hold trophies. And eventually the standard with
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Shanahan and the Niners is going to be tested because
if Brock once again when he's not being paid, and
you can stack the roster, which you can't do. Once
you pay him, then you got to peel off three
or four stars. But if he can't win that big
game against a Stafford, he can't win that big game
against an emerging a Jordan Love or a Ma Holmes
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or an Alan Lamar Herbert with Harbaugh, then Shanahan will
have to make the same decision Andy Reid did with
Alex Smith or Harbaugh did with Alex. By the way,
Dak cousins, Alex exceptionally smart, coachable, accurate, trophies ask for
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something beyond that, and I think what Shanahan is pursuing
is beyond that. So there is not a criticism of Purdy,
just trying to put it and frame it so so
you know, I'm not anti brock guy.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I saw something I was thinking about this the quarterbacks
and people. We all have different journeys. I mean, you
went to college. I went to college. I didn't go
to college with any rich people, right like, right like,
all of us kind of came middle class or below families.
I went to a small regional college. But it is
fascinating in college when you learn other people's journeys. Some
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kids come from great families, some broken families, some come
from you know there, it's a mess, and it's very
important that we realize, you know, they always have the
saying be nice to people. You don't know what they've
been through in that day. That people have different journeys daily, weekly, monthly,
annually in a lifetime. And I was thinking about this
with a certain quarterback and I think he has the
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most fascinating journey in the NFL and it's Matt Stafford.
And some of the details of his contract came out,
and I want to I want to talk about Matt
Stafford and his journey and how we could perceive him
significantly different if he got to another Super Bowl. Don't
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be crazy. He's got the coach, he's got the weapons.
Just just it's I'm gonna give you some perspective on
Matt Stafford. His journey to me is a fascinating one,
and I think it's it is aligned with a lot
of people watching or listening to my show today, and
I want to talk about that next. He's got a
lot more in common with you, despite the fact that
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you listening or watching are not an NFL quarterback and
worth two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
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Speaker 1 (13:37):
Welcome back. It is a Wednesday, Nick, right about forty
five minutes from now. Good time of the year. Watch
some Olympics. It was nice. Now I'm back into football tomorrow.
Don't forget Bears. Texans. We're told Caleb Williams unfortunately will
not play. Gotta see a little Caleb Williams. Right, they're
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saying you won't play. Thinking about Matt Stafford, they just
readid his contract with the Rams, And it's real easy
to do what I do, or what j Mack does,
or people in this space to just say the obvious stuff.
And sometimes people like us, we'll go out there and
make predictions, have theories and they're wrong. But this is
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a thought exercise. What I'm going to present to you
is a thought exercise. May not be right, but it's
something interesting to think about. The Premise is you may
think much differently legacy wise of Matt Stafford and Aaron
Rodgers by the end of this season in February, so
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in high school, Matt Stafford was much better best high
school quarterback in the country. Aaron had to go to
a junior college. Stafford was better up to eighteen years old.
Stafford was also a much better college quarterback Georgia than
Aaron Rodgers. Now we're up to twenty two years old.
Matt Stafford was also better until twenty five years old
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because he actually played in the NFL. Aaron rode the bench,
but Stafford had a bad ownership, bad gms, multiple coaches,
multiple coordinators, horrible defenses. In twelve years in Detroit, Stafford
had three different head coaches, four different coordinators, and in
twelve years, one thousand yard rushers, averaged a below average
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offensive lines, two winning seasons in seven years. Hey, he
had Calvin Johnson. Yeah, great, one great receiver. In his
twelve years in Detroit, the Lions were the third worst
defense in the league. They got him one receiver, everything
else stunk. Similarly, Aaron in his thirteen yearish peak in
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Green Bay had an elite front office, excellent o lines.
I looked it up this morning. In those peak years
the number one eight rank defense and oh, by the way,
seven different seasons, seven not one like Stafford, seven, seven
times more than Stafford had at least one thousand yard rushers.
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They drafted better, they protected better. He had better coaches,
both offensive and we view Rogers up here in Stafford
down there. But let's go back to high school. Stafford
much better. College not necessarily close. First four years Stafford
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actually played when he wasn't hurt because of the bad
surrounding cast. So for those thirteen prime years, Aaron was
the trust fund kid, didn't have to worry about safety
or was he going to be fed tonight? And Stafford
was scrapping for his own meals. Divorce a mess metaphorically,
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every day was an adventure, a roller coaster in Errol.
But now the roles have been switched, and Stafford has
the great coach, the capable GM, the excellent owner who's
not impulsive, the very good weapons, and in three seasons
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Matt Stafford has already won a super Bowl and has
a better winning percentage four and one in the playoffs
than Aaron ever did. And it's erin now, the impulsive
week owner, the unproven coach, the rickety rebuilt again offensive line.
Let me ask you, in six months from today, if
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Stafford's in another NFC championship and this morning I have
them as one of four teams that could be Health
is obviously big and Aaron fizzles out again. We sure
Aaron's much better ioas said, I'm not impressed with Trust
(18:02):
Fund kids. It must be nice to wake up knowing
the meals will be perfect. You're driving a great car.
You don't have to worry about chaos at home. Don't
feel like working, you don't have to. There's a safety net.
I'm much more impressed with somebody that may make significantly less,
but professionally has cobbled together a redeemable life with a
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really tough background. Stafford was better easily in high school,
college and as an early pro, but then he got
a really bad family. Now he's got a good one again.
Don't be surprised if he separates again from Aaron Rodgers.
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Speaker 9 (19:14):
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Speaker 1 (19:23):
So the NFL players, they do this annually vote on
the one hundred top players in the league. So you know,
quarterback is what we all stare at. So now they're
down to the first ninety players. Now Mahomes and Lamar
are not in it yet, so I can assure you
that Mahomes will be number one or two. I would
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imagine number one. Lamar will be somewhere in the top ten.
So that will mean they have twelve quarterbacks so far.
For our radio audience, I'll read this, they have Josh
Allen as the third best quarterback in the league, so
Lamar Lamar is going to be somewhere to to eleven.
Mahomes will be number one. So quarterbacks in the NFL
that are rated in this top one hundred. Obviously it's
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all positions. So there's Josh Allen at twelve, Jalen Hurts fifteen,
Dack at sixteen, c J. Stroud twenty, Broughck Purty to
twenty eighth best player voted on by players. Jordan Love
thirty four to two at thirty six, Joe Burrow thirty nine,
Matt Stafford criminally underrated at forty two, Jared Goff ditto
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at forty eight, Justin Herbert likewise at seventy five, Kirk
Cousins eighty one, Aaron Rodgers ninety two, Trevor Lawrence at
ninety four. So what does that tell you? It tells
you so far. Let's see one two, So far there
are is that fourteen I'm counting, and they've and they've
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got two more coming. So sixteen of the one hundred
best players will be quarterbacks. Sixteen of the in half
the league. So half the league is working the phones
and trying to find the guy. The other half has
their guy. Is basically the easiest way to say it.
Half the league they got their dude. Half the league
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wants their dude. And I don't really have a problem
with the first three mahomes Alan Lamar put him in
any order you want, I'm good with it. What do
you make of Well, let me just ask you anything
that jumps out to you.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Jane.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Let's remind the audience that this voting took place like
last November, and if you think around that time, they
do a lot of questions, why aren't they like.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Jordan Loveday hadn't didn't carve up the Cowboys yet, I.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Love hadn't really done much.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
And by the way, the Chiefs at that time were
not a juggernaut by any stretch. The forty nine ers were.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Which is why they have a ton of guys on
the on the list here. I just noticed Kyler Murray.
You think he cracks the top ten? Your guy completely
left off the.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Top n Yeah, well, let me just say this.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He was injured last year.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And the players a lot of times are good at playing.
To have you would admit Stafford at forty two below
Tua even you would acknowledge below brought pretty Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You have to remember last year TUA was on fire.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
They dropped like seventy points on the on the Broncos,
they were off like one of the all time great offenses.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Stafford last year was on fire in November two good.
He had a very good season last year.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I think the bigger star was Pooka and it was like, oh,
who is better than Cooper Cup And it was less
about Stafford.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, listen, I can't get too worked up about these lists.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
No, I'm just throwing it. By the way, are you angry, No,
I'm not angry.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You've got fourteen, you've got two more. What it's telling
you is the players view Aaron Rodgers as the fifteenth
best quarterback in the league. He played four snaps flash well,
but again, remember players, people have memories. It's not like.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I this is actually in fairness. I think Aaron's closer
to fifteenth than one at this point in his career.
I do not think if you go to his last
year at Green Bay with a good old line, with
a good coach, with good weapons, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
What's he gonna do this year thirty five hundred yards,
twenty five touchdowns like average numbers.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think he will look like somewhere between the tenth
and fifteenth best quarterback. That's where I think he is
at this point. Yeah, I think the rest of the
world except the players, have Aaron in the top six.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I don't think that's why. I think, forty years old
off surgery, so so committed offseason, I don't put him there.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Crazy.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
They're probably gonna be a We're gonna run the ball
a lot and win with defense.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
That's my guest.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
This is not gonna be Aaron Rodgers aerin at out
thirty five times a game. I just I don't see
that in the cards.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
CJ.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Stroud, Sure, maybe.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But I mean I think both of us think this morning.
Jordan lover Aaron Rodgers. I think Jordan's better wait wait
for this season. Yes, no question. He's younger, he's got
a better arm, he moves better, don't have the injuries,
he's more committed.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
All right, I'll give it to you. I'll give it
to you, not by a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'm not saying the gaps the Grand Canyon. I'm saying it.
Look when I watched Jordan Love play his movement, his arm, Dude,
can he can spin it?
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I wish we could tell.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I mean here, but by the way, our staff excellent
work here. Last ten starts, including the playoffs between the
two of that. And by the way, those numbers aren't
particularly close. Nine of those ten games are Packer games.
So give me a break on Aaron doesn't play.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
What if we extend it from ten to I don't know, seventeen,
like Aaron.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Jordan doesn't even be barely A seventeen starts interesting. Don't
forget Aaron's first year as a starter six and ten?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
What you sandbag and side?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I don't think again? This is not a criticism forty
years old off of surgery with a rebuilt old line. Ye,
but I'm just saying, is I think again? Aaron's the
first Baut Hall of Famer. I think he's closer to
the fifteenth best quarterback than the first. How's this?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Aaron Rodgers has stuff to prove this year? Yes, I
don't think Jordan Love does right he is?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
They both do well.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Rogers definitely does coming off the injury.
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Speaker 1 (25:17):
Shady comes on the show. Leshawn McCoy, six time pro bowler,
twelve year six playoffs. It's hard for him because he
has friends who are players in the NFL and j
Max out here throwing fastballs, beanballt Jalen Ramsey and Cam
Newton and poor you go out and see Jalen Ramsey
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and Cam. Can I tell you about Cam? Though Cam
drove me crazy as a player. He was never as
good as he thought. But I kind of like him
on his podcast.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Oh he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I like him on his podcast a lot.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
MVP Cam Well, for sure, he's fun.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
But I want though, he has that type of personality
that he's always had that right and uh, I think
now you get the hair from MVP. High sees the game, right,
high grades players. I like him post football, I.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Think I do do and he and he always was.
He kind of just sometimes I thought he kind of
went into Cam world and it's like, yeah, you're quarterbacking
a franchise, but any be that as it may. So
I'm watching Hard Knocks and it really bothered me when
the owner Mara is sitting there with a GM and
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they're talking about Saquon Barkley and the Giants. GM's like,
I don't know where he's gonna land, And I think,
if I'm the owner, all I know is this, I
don't want him in Philadelphia. That's not the answer. I
think Saquon it's gonna go from a bad old line
to an elite. I think he's gonna crush this year.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
Absolutely, you know what's crazy. So I was with Joe
and Buffalo. Yeah, smart dude really really good. So watching
him now on The Hard Knocks is hard for me
because some of the things that he's saying and that
some of the movies making I didn't see that guy
and Buffalo, right. I seen Sean McDermot have a solid team,
Brandon Bean, have a solid guys around that know the game.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
And when I.
Speaker 9 (27:06):
Listen to him talk, it's like they're playing fantasy football.
Brian Daball is one of the best coaches you gonna find.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
That's why he's that good.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
That's why there was even a conversation about playing very well,
as far as a conversation about even paying a guy
like Daniel Jones any type of money because he's a
real awful player.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
But Brian Dabo's so.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Good he madn't look decent, right, And so when I
heard the conversations about Saquons, like we really.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
In the world where we're thinking about.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
Giving the keys to Dave Jones and letting our best player, o,
our biggest identity on offense leave and then potentially go
to a rival team with the Eaws.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
And now when you watch Sacon Barkley, I'm good.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
First a lot of them guys over there, I mean
I did a golfing event with Saquan a couple of
weeks ago, and we're just talking about the game. He
was like, it's crazy being on the team like the
eas where everybody's really really good, right where he's used
to being all the focal point of offense. Everybody's worried
about him. Now he's on the team where he might
not be the best player you got aj So now
I think Saquans would have a crazy year seventeen hundred yard.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
By the way, Shady, you can't put the safeties in
the box and go to Eagles, come on, because they
have two deep threats. Against the Giant, you could just
crowd the box.
Speaker 9 (28:13):
And then and another thing is the quarterback can run, right,
That's that's another thing you gotta you know, account for.
So I think Saquan is probably, in my opinion, the
most talents and running back in football, the most talented
h and then we look at a guy like DeAndre Swift.
We had an amazing year last year. Yeah, and then
I think that we did upgrade with Saquon, so mage
what year he's wanna have.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I mean, Scott's looking for the Eagles this year.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I can't wait to take the audience through this. Though
you played with one, two, three, four different offensive lines, well,
four teams multiple tell me the you don't even have
the name names you can if you want. What's the
difference from a running backs perspective, going from the worst
ole line you played? Yeah to the best? How does
the world change for you?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Man, I's the best?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (28:56):
So what my Eagles line when I led the league
in Russian was really really really really good. Right, and
we knew all knew each other, like, for example, Okay,
Jeff Stout was the line coach, really really good for
the Eagles and simplifying the offense in the running game.
So when we had guys like Jason Peters, who's the
best part I ever played with, aside from the quarterbacks,
we knew on third downs we go on to his side,
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we're gonna do dual blocks. We're gonna block down or
block up to the linebackers.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Right.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
We get a guy like Kelsey, right, Jason Kelce, I
knew how good he was, Okay, so his thing was we.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Want to get him on the perimeter of the pool.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
So when you start knowing your guys what they do best,
it makes the game easier when I went to Buffalo,
solid offense along we had a guy like Richie Cognito, right, strong, physical,
You want to run powers with him? Right, Eric Wood
smart dude can get on the perimeter. Also he can
do power blocks, good guard, right, So everything in this
matters when you know the scheme.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Now, I will say its about the Giants though.
Speaker 9 (29:50):
Yeah it was a bad team, not a lot of talent,
but running the ball, they were pretty solid.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
That The problem was.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
Is that, right if we know you're gonna run the
ball every down from first to thirds, like, okay, we
can game plan for yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Let me ask you. There's here's a I've said this
about the Jets. We're paying too much attention to Aaron Rodgers.
First of all, last year there were fourteen playoff teams, right,
only one coach kind of, Todd Bowles kind of was
on the hot seat. But it was the first Tampa
year without Brady, so Todd wasn't really on the hot seat.
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I think when a coach is on the hot seat,
they coached differently. So forget Aaron Rodgers, Robert sol is
on the hotest seat. You can make different decisions and
games on that. The second thing is the CBA now
has limited twenty eight to six padded practices. What it
means is, I think it hurts offensive lines early in
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the season. That's the hardest unit.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Igree I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So we got a coach with Aaron Rodgers, who is
the hottest seat. We have an O line of three
new guys, veterans, two of them who have fewer padded practices,
and nobody plays in the preseason. I don't think the
season's Aaron. I think it's how solid coaches and the
development of the O line with a forty year old quarterback.
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So I think the new CBA years ago screwed up
old lines and the teams like Detroit that has a
great one they come back, or Philadelphia. Yeah, it's a
huge September October Advanage. So I guess my point to
you is when you look at the Jets, do you
worry about forget just Aaron like protection Sala. Did you
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ever play on a team that had a team a
coach on the hot seat? Did you think they coached
differently and practice differently?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
So on a hot.
Speaker 9 (31:38):
Seat, man, like it's good and bad? I guess because
now it's like I'm coaching for something where other coaches, Okay,
I got a couple of years to get my thing together,
fill myself through this thing where now I gotta win now.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
But the good thing I think about the.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
Jets, right, And I know a lot of conversations about
Aaron Rodgers because to be honest, we haven't seen him
play in a long time.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
And the last time we seen him play, he was
not that good.
Speaker 9 (31:59):
Right in Green Bay, Right, it was not that good
in Green Bay, okay, and then then with the Jets,
he only played with four players, So we don't know
what Aaron we're getting, right. I think with the Jets,
they're in a good position because I watched the Jets
battle with really really good defense. I watched Jets baller
solid offensive play from the running game, right, and I
look at Breese Hall, who's I think is phenomenal talent.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
So now when you look at it, they can run
the ball. Well.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
They got some new wide receivers, right, not to Aaron
Rodgers homeboys, Right, you got some guys that can really
go out there and play.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
They're in a good shape.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
And I think, I hate to say this, I think
they won the division if Aaron Rodgers is just see,
we don't need the MVP Aaron Rodgers. We don't need
that defense. Yeah, it got defense. I feel that the
times with a rod was at his best, he had
to throw the ball. He had to do he had
to score, he had to put points up. Well with
the Jets, you don't need to do that. The defense
is solid enough up front, in the back end and
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linebacker they're solid.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
So now I look at the offensive side, some good weapons, right.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
You got a good running game or ayon on need
to throw the ball forty times from the win. Right,
So it may look different this year. I do think
they have a chance. I just want to see how
they look man when they start playing. I don't agree
with the sitting them out in preseason because I got.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Like Andy Reid, you're gonna play right now.
Speaker 9 (33:12):
You might not play a lot, but I need to
get you having live bullets. You just tore your achilles
a year ago, right and now when the live busts
are happening. A coach can't stop the game. You can't
stop the practice where if a god gets too close
to you blow the whistle or defend the nose. If
I get to close to the quarterback gott to slow down. No,
in a real game, I need to see how Aaron
Rodgers high moves. Okay, guys in his face, slide to
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the right, making pass or or the other side so
small that I need to see him play because I
have to see what Aaron Rodgers were getting. But I
think they just have a solid team.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I want to show you the players, the top one
hundred players on the top one hundred list. So now, Mahomes,
they've gotten through ninety players. Homes is gonna be number one,
Lamar is gonna be somewhere in the top ten for sure.
So so far, if the ninety players, there are fourteen quarterbacks,
there'll be two more sixteen. And my take is basically
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the top sixteen guys means that these guys, those teams
are they got their guy. The other sixteen probably don't.
Is anything on this list, sorry for the radio audience.
Anything on this list so far? Anybody in a space
you don't agree with?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
So the Jalen Hurts go yet he went.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Jalen Hurts is fifteen.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Okay, so this is act. This is active right here,
this is okay. I don't like the Aaron Rodgers on there.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Hazi on his list.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Ninety two, he's a fourteen. He'd have him as a
fifteenth best quarterback.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
But he hasn't. He didn't play last year. Okay, you
know what I'm saying. The year the area.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I think what jumped out to me is the disrespect
of matt Stafford. You're telling me he is. He's gonna
write number forty.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
So yeah, I like Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So they said they have him as seventeen that is
the eleventh or tenth best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
Yeah, I don't like that because I got him in
my top three, top.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Four in it on.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Did you see him yesterday NFC?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
He looked good yesterday, right, look good. And the crazy
thing is he's in my drag las. We were about
that that I went to their camp yesterday. Whereas he's
an A nine jack classing me and he still is good,
lost weight, his arm looks strong, he puts the ball
in places that other quarters can't do it.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
And then Trevor Lawrence. I'm not really big on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
All right, Turnovers, turnovers.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
I mean it's like when I ask people this question,
I'm gonna ask you because you're a brilliant guy, right,
What makes Trevor Lawrence special?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, I have confirmation bias. So here's my problem. I
saw him play in high school. I thought it was
the best high school quarterback I'd seen for years, and
I loved him in college. So now he goes to
the NFL and he has a playoff win, but he
hasn't been good. So I fight the fact that I
loved him when I saw him at seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty,
twenty one, twenty two, I loved him so much. I
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said he was the next Andrew Luck.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
That's what everybody's saying about it.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
That now is it distorting the reality because there is
one thing. J Max pointed this out. That dude turns
the ball over a lot.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
And and you know what happens about this, No matter
he talks about it. If it's Dak Prescott, were gonna
talk about it, I'm gonna talk about it.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
So I'm not biased. I'm honest. Like when I watch
Lawrence player, I don't see it.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
At high school, he had a top high school team,
correct talented guys, guys on Division one.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Then he goes to Clemton.
Speaker 9 (36:14):
I mean, god, they get all the top all Americans
from defense to office.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
You got all the best players. So now when the.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
Stage is set and we got you playing against elite
versus elite, you don't look elite. You don't look close
to elite. And if you want to be technical, the
best PlayN of office is not him.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
So what we asked these questions about setting the market
up with the quarterback, the money they're making and who's
getting paid. It's funny that a guy like CD Lamb
could be elite. Let's say, Justin Jefferson's better than CD Lamb, Right,
most people say that, But how much better they're both
or elite? So when it's my time to get the extension,
I should jump over him because I'm an elite player
and so is he. Well, you asked a guy like
Trevor Lawrence. You jumping over Joe Barrownoy's other guys? Why
(36:54):
because you play quarterback. I have a hard time with
that because there's a lot of great players that are
not getting paid their value or fighting for it because
they don't play quarterback.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
How many good tight ends can't get paid?
Speaker 9 (37:06):
Come on, man, and Tristan the left tackle for Christian Worst.
Now I play with him as a as in my
last year with the Bucks. I remember we're in We're
in the group, me, Tom Brady, Mike Evans, like the
offensive skilled players.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
He was a rookie.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
We were like, oh my god, who is this kid?
God took his time making him right right, And.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Then I look, and then I look. It was all
probably thinks.
Speaker 9 (37:30):
So then I look at now where they're saying that
the Tampa Bay and Tristan are far apart, and I'm thinking, like,
if he played quarterback, he could come to camp right,
have a hat on, have a shorts on, hanging out,
and he knows the deal is gonna be done because
he plays quarterback and he'll have to he'll have to
be elite. So my question like telling my son, yo,
make sure you're the best, be the best, be the greatest.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Well, we don't have to tell nobody that.
Speaker 9 (37:52):
Now, just play quarterback because you could be good quarterback
and make elite money. It's crazy how it is now,
it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Finally, any chance, Justin Fields wins the locker room and
by week six or seven, Steelers lose two straight and
he surpasses the less popular Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Everybody loved to the very and they loved him as
a guy.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
That's a good question because he's young, he's younger.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Athletic, he's bigger, he'll run better. And again, players loved
him in Chicago and he was losing. Usually they I
don't like the quarterback when they lose. People loved him
in Chicago.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
The only issue with him is I don't think he's
very good. I really don't.
Speaker 9 (38:35):
So as much as I like you, we get to that,
we get to the field, and I'm like, he's not
that good. For example, Russell's worst year with the Broncos,
that was pretty bad. If I told you that he
had a better year than Justin had his last year,
would you believe that?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Because that's true?
Speaker 9 (38:53):
Yeah, right, So I just as much as we like
a player, I mean, I just and he's younger, so
I try to give younger guys like more excuse and
more chances.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
But he's really not that good. I mean, you'll watch him,
I mean I could. I mean you watch him play.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, he fourth quarters when the game's on the line,
and if he's not leading, he's not winning.
Speaker 9 (39:12):
I've watched him lose so many Another thing, I watched
his team fight and fight and fight to win the game.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
And then he'll lose the game, he'll give it up, right.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
And then I just have a weird thing with Harve
State quarterback because they're always good. I can't name a
bad and college right, and then it gets to the
league and like, well, j Stroud, he's the only one.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
He is.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
He's the best one by far, by far. He is great, shady.
It's always a pleasure, always good, good to see. Hey
and Jake.
Speaker 9 (39:38):
Please leave my guys alone. I'm tired of being your
lawyer defending you. By the way, Cam Newton, I told him,
I let him.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Know, you know what, I would like to have Cam
on because I think I think he's a great podcaster,
was a good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
He's promising podcaster. But do you want to tell him
your backstory with fields or is that not for on air?
Speaker 5 (39:56):
No, that's not fair, not fair.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
By the way, I kept my gum secret for twenty
four hours. Wait, I have my new gum. I sometimes
there's secrets.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
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