March 28, 2025 • 55 mins
Doug Gottlieb in for Colin
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The Herd. Wherever you may be listening and however you
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I'm Doug gottli In for Colin Cowherd, and for the
next couple of hours, I want to talk to sports
with you from Poway to Escondido and everywhere in between.
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This is the Herd. What a night last night in
college basketball? You know, it's always fascinating to me, and
we can get to I I've just so many things
kind of going through my mind as I'm watching watching
college basketball last night, But the main thing is that
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I just I sit here and say to myself self,
why do people insist on spreading lies about how things
used to be? There's two different sides to it, right,
and I fully understand that you're listening to Collins Show,
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and you're you watch sports television, you listen to sports radio,
and first whatever reason, everything either has to be the
best of the worst. Even look, I love Colin, that's
my guy. Okay, but I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna
tell you some just ask you if you think that
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I watched Cooper Flag last night. He's incredible. And anybody says, well,
you know, he's a college basketball player. You're a college
basketball coach. You can't talk about a current college basketball player. Now,
that's only if for some reason, I was going to
recruit Cooper Flag. And there is less than zero percent
chance that Cooper Flag is coming to Green Bay. Listen.
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I love my job and I love what we're building here.
Had a couple of really talented kids on campus trying
to recruit him, but that didn't happen. Right, So, Cooper
Flag is amazing. There's nothing about him that resembles Larry
Bird to me. I don't know where that conversation went.
And if Cooper Flag is going to be the best
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dukie ever in the NBA, which is what Colin said yesterday,
Greg Towey, that is what he said yesterday. Correct, I
heard it in the promo. I just want to make
sure that I did not mishear it in any way.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Okay, there's a current dukie in the NBA who is
a nine time All Star. He's been on the NBA
Second Team once, two time NBA Third Team, he was
the Rookie of the Year. He's won an NBA championship,
and I most want to point out he's hit the
big shot to win an NBA championship. Are you familiar
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with who I'm talking about? That's Kyrie Irving. You're like, wait,
Kyrie Le mean yeah, Okay, so that's a lot, right,
that would be a ton to say he's better than
Kyrie Irving. And again, like, this kid is the great
White Hope. He's an American born, white basketball player who's unbelievable. Okay,
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is he better than a six time NBA All Star
who's only twenty seven meeting By the time he's done,
he'll be like a thirteen time nball Star, three time
All NBA First Team and he won an NBA championship.
That would be Jason Tatum. So I understand that we
get to we're watching and you're like Cooper flag has
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ever been as good or maybe even better than possibly advertised.
He's a freak, right, He's a power point guard. He
can handle, he can pass, he can shoot, he is
a three level score. I love him. But before we go,
he's gonna be the colt. Is gonna be the greatest
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dukie ever. Like I know, we operate on this assumption
that Grant Hill was likely to be the best dukie ever. Unfortunately,
injuries befell him. Is that right? Is that befell him?
I don't know if that's actually a word, but it
is for now. The reality is who that's a big
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ask for kid, big, big, big asque for a player. Okay,
so let's get to what really matters. I love the
discussion about how basketball used to be. Neither of these
things are true. You know how we always sometimes will
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say both of these things can in fact be true.
Neither of these things are true in that Jannis and
Tennecoupo would not score two hundred and fifty points in
any sort of NBA game if he played in the
seventies or eighties. I just it's one thing to say, hey,
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the athletes are better and more skilled now than they've
ever been, and we've evolved as players. Where previously in
his life Jannis would have been he would have been
a center in the NBA or a power forward, and
now he's essentially a point guard, so he would not
have scored two or fourt And you cannot tell me
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that watching Alabama make twenty five of fifty one threes
that you yearned for the mid range. Man, I just
miss old basketball. I don't, and I played older basketball.
I watched it again. I'm not saying those guys aren't great.
Matter of fact, the thing that absolutely positively pisses me
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off about guys like JJ Reddick is JJ Reddick acts
always like, well, Larry Bird's not one of the great
three point shoters all time, bowl It wasn't considered a
great shot, but when he shot the ball, he was
the best at doing it for a star player. So
if al Horford can go from making ten threes his
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first six years in the NBA to being a high
level three point shooter, do you think Larry Effingberd, who
won the three point shooting contest with a shooting shirt on,
shooting jacket on and told everybody which one he guys
are coming in second? Do you think he couldn't have
been an elite three point shooter. Again, the idea that
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Giannis would have scored two hundred fot the arrogance of Lebron,
the arrogance of JJ to act like those guys couldn't.
What's the kid's term level up? Come on, dude, like
Brook Lopez can shoot threes, but Michael Jordan and Chris
Mullen and and Larry Bird couldn't. Of course they could.
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On the other hand, I will side with the new
generation and think all of you people, and I will say,
you people who insist the mid range, where's the mid range?
I don't like watching new age basketball? Okay, So here's
what you do. I want you to go to baseball
people and go, why don't you bunt anymore? Why don't
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you bunt? Or hey, let's just let's just go back
to all the inefficient methods of doing anything right. All
the interfestionis instead of group emails, let's and write out
notes to everyone. By the way, part of my job
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as a basketball coach is I do write thank you notes.
My hand gets so tired. You want to talk about
suburban grit, my ability to sign autographs and write notes
on a regular basis. I almost feel like I'm an
arthritic old man, but really it's just my hand. I can,
I can, I can text and tweet and do whatever
for days. I can talk on the phone for hours.
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You asked me to write two thank you notes. I'm like,
I feel like I got carpal tunnel. But would anybody
like to go back to the days of handwritten everything? No? No, hey,
here's what I want you to do. Let's go back
to the days of landlines and no call waiting. You
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remember when you got the first time you got party line? Okay, listen,
cover up your mouth, don't be breathing. I'll ask her
if she likes you. Right, you're all a bunch of
it will and newer doesn't always mean better, but it
definitely means more efficient. Right, More efficient is everything in business.
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Don't work harder, work smarter. And then there's the complete
misconception of well, it's a shot that's closer to the basket,
so you gotta make it at a better rate. Let
me ask you something, Do you guys know what the
an elbow? The elbow jump shot is an elbow jump shot.
The elbow is where the lane line that's where the
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guys stand. You know, where a lane line is right
and the free throw line come together right that spot.
Some people call it the short seventeen. Some people call
it the elbow. I don't know what else it's called.
I've always been told it's the elbow, but I've heard
some people say short seventeen. It's a seventeen foot shot
from there, and nobody stands on the actual elbow. So
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a seventeen to nineteen foot shot. In the NBA, the
best players in the world, and I'm talking about from
Kobe Bryant to Kevin Durant, but the current best NBA players,
Kevin Durant, DeMar Derosen, who's the best mid range shooter
in the NBA. Put it all in, all the NBA players,
do you know what they shoot from the elbow from
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seventeen to nineteen feet? Thirty seven percent is the number?
Is that an efficient shot? No, if you're going to
shoot a shot inside the lane, an efficient shot is
over that of fifty percent as opposed to thirty three
percent being the barrier for a three point shot. How
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do they know, Well, because they do math. Now it
doesn't mean it's just like sports radio. Right there, is gray.
It doesn't mean you never take an open mid range shot.
It doesn't mean you only but for the most part,
ninety five percent. I mean really that there's actually a
different percentile, right. But if you watched last night against Alabama,
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and I'll grant you they were unbelievably efficient. They shot
at a rate that you I have never seen before
collectively as a team at a game of that level.
It was like Pleasantville. Do you remember the first part
of Pleasantville when it was black and white right before
one color and every shot went in. That's what it
had to feel like. If you're like BYU. By was like, dude,
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we're actually pretty good and we have no ability to
stop Mark Sears and the Crimson Tide. But I'd love
mid range guy to be like they should have.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I didn't enjoy watching that I won mid range jump shots.
I yearned for the days of Kazzie Russell dribbling and
backing a guy down and shooting a finger roll from
seventeen feet.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Go back and watch old NCAA tournament games. Go back
and watch old NBA games. Now. Of course, it's not
true that Yiannis would score two hundred fifty points because
back in the seventies you would have a power forward
and lane and a center in the lane. There wasn't
space to just back guys down, and the game was
officiated differently as well. And again, if we put if
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we put him back, then do all the former players
get the diet and the weight training that he gets
now and flying on private private planes and sleeping in
cryo chambers so he takes care of his body? Of
course not. Even then, the bodies were big and strong.
Imagine if they live modern day weights. Like, are we
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comparing comparables? The rules are different, the offense are different,
the bodies are different, everything's different. And yet we're saying, hey,
if you have parachute in Yannis now against them, then
with whose rules he scores two hundred and fifty. No,
that's laughably embarrassing to say. But on the other hand,
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let's not act like the inefficiencies of the past are
something that should draw us in and make us yearn
for it in the future. Just not nobody wants to
handwrite notes anymore. They just don't. I mean, look, not
everybody apparently in Washington can handle the old group text.
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But generally a group text gets things done quite well,
thank you very much. Right, I'm Doug Gottliebin for Collin.
This is the Herd Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. This
is and in case you missed it, this was Lebron
earlier this week on McAfee talking about Giannis.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
You're trying to tell me Giannas wouldn't be able to
play an NBA game in the seventies hit hit He
wouldn't be able to do Jannis answer the Koupo would
have two hundred and fifty points in a game in
a seventy's and fifty uh two hundred and fifty points.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Come on, dude. And by the way, Lebron, in your
effort to settle scores and like, we can get into
why that conversation even happened. But he'd scored two hundred
fifty points. Right, there's two other guys in the lane.
There aren't guys standing outside three point line because there
was no three point line. The real world doesn't have
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all or nothing. It has a lot of gray. It's
not that Jannis would have stunk or he would have
scored two hundred and fifty points. The truth is way
more towards the middle. And while I know Jannis would
I mean again, he looks like a smaller Wilt Chamberlain.
Wilt Chamberlain was an unbelievable athlete. Oscar Robertson was an
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unbelievable athlete. The three point line had not been introduced,
let alone guys being told these are better shots because
of analytics. So which is it? No, we just say
these things to make make us feel better, either about
the past game or the current game. The reality is,
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if you watched Alabama play last night, there isn't a
single solitary, non mouth breathing human being that goes you know,
I know they made twenty five to fifty one threes,
but I just I just wanted them to take you know,
a MIDI fade away, a La Kobe mid range. No,
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No math works, it just does, right, math works, It
just does. Sometimes it defies the normal thought press of
human beings. I'm watching that earthquake in Thailand earlier today,
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and you're looking at buildings swaying and not coming down
or whatever, despite it's like a seven point seven. And
then you look at some of these old buildings built
in the nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties, where they thought the
more cement, the better, right, because common logic would would
lead you to believe that the heavier the building, the
less likely it is to crumble. Correct. Yeah, well ask
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anybody in La. Those buildings are light. Those buildings sway.
If there's an earthquake, they're gonna move like seven or
eight feet, which, again the video tells me, don't ever
get on a rooftop pool ever ever, period. Stop. I don't.
I don't care the likelo of an earthquake. If there's
a if you're on a fiftieth floor building and there's
a bunch of supermodels out there, or they're in bikinis,
I ain't getting that pool. I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna
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watch them behind the windows because I just saw that video.
But math works, It explains it. It makes it easy,
it makes it more efficient. They found that lighter and
oftentimes less materials move okay with the earthquake. I understand
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you think a shot closer to the basket is a
better shot, right, that's common life, like, Well, the closer
I get, the more likely I am to make it. Yes,
But when they give you another point for being two
or three steps back further, it's actually better to be
two step three sets back first, unless you're right at
the rim where you have a higher percentage of making
it and you can get fouled, which gives you even
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more efficiency. Any of these people, and that includes my
friend Charles Barkley, who tells me they yearn for the
old olden days are just simply trying to pat themselves
in the back over how great they were, and they
were great in a different era. Stop doing it. If
you watch Alabama, you're like, that was pretty cool. Speaking
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of pretty cool, Coming up next in The Herd, I'm
Doug Gottlieb feeling for Colin Richard Pattino. He builds New
Mexico into a winter and now he's in the same
league as his dad. What is the process like of
coaching while negotiations are happening with your agent? And how
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much do you know? When do you know? We'll ask
it all to him? That's up coming next in the Hurt.
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Some of you may hurt. I'm also a head coach
now in Division one basketball Green Bay. So just like
every other coach, I'm in portal combat mode. Pooral combat Yeah,
and in something that makes absolutely no sense. Basketball's portal
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open Monday, and yet we still have basketball games being
played on my television. And it's not just the NCAA tournament.
There's the the CBI just finished. Congrats to Illinois State.
I don't know, but there's the NIT which is still ongoing.
And there's the other one, the Crown that's on Fox
Sports one. I have no idea who's even going to
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play for those teams because so many of those kids
have entered either real portal or the dark portal, which
is or the pre portally, which is like pre boarding.
How do you board a plane before you board a plane,
I'm not really sure anyway. To help us kind of
figure it out, and to celebrate whose new job is
the now new head coach of Xavier, who is also
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the sitting Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year. He
coached the Lobos to the Mountain West Conference regular season
championship this year. So now formerly of New Mexico now
Xavier is Richard Patino and he joins us in the
herd on Fox Sports Radio. Richard, how are you.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Doing good, Dougs? How are you?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I'm great, man, I'm great. You know. It's interesting, h
we talked after you lost your job in Minnesota and
then you get a chance to go to a place
like New Mexico. What was the experience like last time
you switched jobs going from Minnesota to New Mexico in
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terms of kind of onboarding and getting that thing going.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, I would say substantially different, right, emotional on both
sides of it. But I think more than anything, new opportunities.
You know, I learned from both, you know, New Mexico.
I didn't have a great feel for the area by
any means, and spent eight years of you know, really
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enjoyed Minnesota, but was looking forward to it, you know,
So learned a lot in both and just get better
and better, you know. And I think Xavier is a
great opportunity and excited about it. So, but you know,
all the moving and you got kids and all that
can be very stressful for everybody. So trying to put
together a roster, trying to figure out moving and transitioning
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and all that. But it's a great opportunity.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Okay, so now you're killing it in New Mexico. You
guys have an unbelievable following Donovan Dent, an unbelievable player
that's been with you for a couple of years, and
you're going to the NCAA tournament, and yet there's all this.
You know, all of a sudden, the Xavier job comes
open because Sean Miller, even though he was coaching against Texas,
it seemed like everybody in the business knew he was
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leaving for Texas. What's that like to manage all that, right,
because again, you're managing your roster, the potential for your
future roster in New Mexico, there's whispers about this other job. Okay,
and then you got to figure out my wife, kid's family,
all that stuff and potentially moving and oh yeah, by
the way, you had your team playing in the NCAA tournament.
How'd you manage all that?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
You know, it's a lot. I know the coaches are
bad guys. I know a good friend of mine, Kevin Willer,
is dealing with it right now. Whether you could say
handle it differently or whatever, I don't know. But coaches
are being put in a tough spot. I mean not
that I want people to feel sorry for us by
any means, but schools are starting earlier and earlier because
of the portal. You know, and people reach out. Doesn't
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mean that you're interviewing by any means, or you're spending
the whole day away from your program, but you certainly
want to see what you know these people are talking about.
For the Xavier experience, it really all happened after the season. Now,
I had some other kind of balls in the air,
so to speak, but I was not going to leave
New Mexico unless it felt right. And you know, when
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Xavier reached out, that was one like, Okay, I can
be back closer to my family, I can be in
the Big East, which I truly believe with this new
model of not sharing rev share with football is an advantage.
I loved the Big East. I grew up with it,
so it felt right. It really did. So you know,
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it's all the rumors and all that. Some of it's true,
some of it was not, but it wasn't real hard
to lock in on the season and just you know,
just just stay in the moment more than anything.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Okay, So now you take over a new job at Xavier,
this is your fourth job, right, fourth job that you've had.
What's the process like now as opposed to the other three? Right,
there wasn't the full portal when you got to New Mexico.
There wasn't any of this when you got to Minnesota.
And obviously when you get to FIU, what's the process
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like now for you?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, I mean way different as it pertains to recruiting.
I don't even know if it's call recruiting anymore. I
mean it's just you know, FIU, there was no transfer deal,
so you really really were trying to establish a culture
and not even worry about wins and losses. And we
got some good transfers that we liked. Sitting out Minnesota
was the traditional recruiting New Mexico. When I got here,
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you weren't allowed to go recruiting because of the pandemic,
so we added a bunch of players off a zooms.
But those last three years where we really excelled. We're
an I own transfer portal, so we've got a body
of work in the new profession that we're in of
even Okay, Donovanan is the number one transfer in the
country right now.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
JT.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Topping is the number one in the country out of
our program go to Texas Tech. So I think we
have a body of work of we have one in
this deal. We've got some really good players that we've
recruited and developed. But it's all about right now. It's
about zooms. It's about putting together your staff, you know.
So we've got it seems daunting because you're really taking
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over a new roster, but everybody's going to have to
deal with this right now. So it's about kind of
spending your money wisely and evaluating properly and you know,
just just turning over every stone, so to speak, and
figure it out.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, it's super interesting. You mentioned that you don't have
to revenue share with football, but you also don't have
maybe the revenue or possibly the reach of football. Okay,
and we're watching we're watching the haves and the have nuts, right,
like you being a part of it. Like we're not
even in the ballpark, right and the Mountain West is
kind of in that curious has been really successful, is
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you know, New Mexico incredibly well supported. But there's always
going to be a difference between New Mexico and the
Big East and then a chasm between New Mexico and
the SEC and Big Ten. Where do you think the
Big East settles in regards to the comparison NIO wise
of how much you have in the bank.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
It's really really difficult to figure that out. You know.
I did have conversations with some schools with football and
just trying. Everybody has no idea what the future holds.
I think the Big East is in an amazing position
of strength because they don't have a cap. You know
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that nobody is spending twenty point five million on men's
basketball or women's basketball, right, so you know, the growth
opportunities for all of these programs are no football, I
think are phenomenal and that was appealing. That was one
of the main factors of why I took the job,
was because we got to build rosters and it's it's
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way more transactional now than it ever is, and who
knows what it'll change. But I think the Big East, Yeah,
you know, if they cap men's basketball at the power
for level at three and a half million or whatever,
and then they say that they're going to really crack
down on the deals, the nil deals, I think the
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Big East is in a great position of strength. But
it's it's like anything else, it's about continue to grow
and invest in your program because if you don't, you're
gonna get left behind.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
It's one thing to compete against your dad once a year,
it's a whole other thing to recruit against or you know,
portal against your dad, right and then coach against your dad,
you know, twice a year. And obviously Saint John's he
flipped that thing in year two and they they seem
to be on a different level and io wise than
some of the other teams in the East. Have you
thought about what this is going to be like, you know,
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it's only.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Really a thing when with media. You know, it's not
traditional recruiting anymore. I don't care what anybody says. It's
just not so it's maybe not as emotional like it
used to be back in the old days when we started.
I just think it's about, you know, how we're going
to invest as we're going against my dad. Like listen,
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he's a young seventy two, but who knows how much
longer he goes, you know, and I just want him
to be happy when we play him two times a year.
Like I understand the hoopla that's going to go with it,
and that's fine, but we're both going to try to
beat each other. It's no real difference. So that was
not even a little bit of I didn't even think
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about it when taking this job.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Will you ever get him in a quarter zip? You
know so many coaches have gone to the quarter zip.
He still wears those beautiful suits. Will you ever get
him in the courterzip?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yeah, I'm not happy about that. That's the only thing
that I don't like about the Big East is I
know that my dad does it. I know that there's
another one that wears suits in that league as well
that we got to get him out of. So who knows.
If Kevin Willard goes to Villanova, he wears suits as well,
so we'll see. You know, that's something I'm going to
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band together and fight with because I love the quarters up.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Richard Pertino, head coach of ex Xavior, the new head coach.
He's the reigning Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year,
coaching the Lobos in New Mexico to the Mountain West
championship this season. He joins us in the Hurdum Doug
Gotlink filling in for Colin. You know again, I don't
know if you find this interesting. Body. I'm watching Alabama
play last night. They make twenty five out of fifty
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one threes, and I'm thinking of your dad, right because
your dad, when he got to Providence, he was the
first one to really really embrace the three point shot.
And yet you have so many people who sit there
and I feel like they say that they just tell lies, Like, man,
I wish I missed the old days, the mid ry
pull up and guys backing people down, like I don't know,
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like you got the mix of old school and new
school with your dad, but your dad was the first
of the truly new school. When you watch Alabama shoot
fifty one threes, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
You know? It's interesting because obviously they've really dove right
in with the three point shot. I understand the value
of offensive rebounding opportunities. Obviously threes are worth more than two.
But I don't know if I want to shoot a
million of them if I'm shooting like twenty eight percent
from them, So I kind of think every team is different.
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That was fascinating to watch last night, for sure, to
see that many threes. You know, so it's obviously working,
But I've never seen that many threes taken into It
seems to try to be evolving into a more NBA
model more than anything.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, it really does. We circle back to the nil.
What is it like to be coaching and to think
to your there's that deflating feeling of hey, look I
got my guys prepped, we're really good, but that other
team has two x three X of the money we
have and the reality is, more times than not, we're
just not going to be as good. That's that's part
of why everybody's moving up players and coaches and otherwise. Fair.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's definitely a concern of
the have separating from the have nots. Somebody's always going
to have more money than you. You've just got to
do a very very good job of spending wisely. Not easy, right,
but you know, you've got to really really evaluate how
you're going to spend it. It's like pro sports, and
(30:36):
it's not going to change until I don't know if
Congress or whoever figures this out, because it's going to
be hard to kind of limit their money. So you know,
I mean, we've beaten teams this year who had more
money than we did. We've lost the teams who had
less money than we did, so we're just trying to
take it year by year. I always tell the players, like,
our goal is certainly to win championships, but we want
(30:58):
to increase your value. And we certainly did that with
a lot of players in our program, and we were
able to win.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Okay, most important question is you did the perfect job
of leaving. You had the note on social media, you
had the quotes, you had the video, you had all
the different right messages. Plus you stayed through it through
the full cycle. You know, you stay four years like
all right, kind of runs. Of course, you won the
league and then you're out. All good. Did you say
goodbye to Snake before you left?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I did not say goodbye to Snake. You only normally
see Snake on game day. But I'll have to reach
out to them. Yeah, I mean it is emotional. I
think the time is right, you know, I think we
did a lot of great things. You know, my daughter's
going to go into high school, so the timing there
is really good. And you know, the uncertainty of the
(31:45):
Mountain West was certainly a concern, and I just think
in a very very unstable profession. The Big Yeast is
about a stable of the conferences you're going to get
right now.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, well, listen, you left it better than you found it.
You left an incredible shape. Xavier is a great place
at Cintas Center is it's not the pit, but it's
still an incredible home court. And obviously the Big East
is an unbelievable conference. Hey man, congrats on the new gig.
Congrats on an amazing season, and best of luck here
in portal season.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
All right, thank you for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
All right, that's Richard Pertino, the new head coach of
x That's Xavier, the Musketeers right in the Queens city
of Cincinnati. And no, we didn't do the proverbial skyline
Chile sort of yuckty yuck sort of thing. No, we
did not. We not do that. We could have done
greaters ice cream, right, oh, greats ice really really really good.
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
Doug Gottliebit for Collins. I heard Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app.
I'm gonna do a stephen A Smith correction. Lakers are
up five, so you don't file when you're up five,
it's you're up six, then you foul. That makes it
even worse. Said, why would you if Lebron James leave
a shooter in the corner and try and help a
teammate out right, You don't do that. You switch and
(33:58):
you keep the guy in front, and you make them
take a cut tested shot, and then you don't turn
the basketball over. Yesterday was Opening Day in Major League Baseball.
Just baseball in kind of a curious place because in
terms of overall talent wise, it's amazing how many young
players are blowing up. The athleticism is back in the game,
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the games are shorter, they're better. I think baseball, honestly,
in terms of play isn't a great place. I don't
know if it's not too late where so many think
baseball is boring and it is actually the past time.
But whatever, baseball, you know, leaving ESPN at the end
of this year, it's just in a weird place. I
think we can all kind of admit that. But it
(34:43):
was opening Day, and this is you know, like opening
Day part D if you will, because obviously the Dodgers
and the Cubs had Opening Day of their own going
back to Japan, and that was like a week ago, right.
So now you have teams playing a bunch of baseball games,
and yesterday I thought was the perfect embodiment of things
(35:03):
that track. What do you what do I mean by that?
The Dodgers moved themselves to three and oh. On the
year they won two in Japan, and yesterday they won
well because, among other things, they had show, Hey, Otani.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
They stay out toward right field.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
There's a jet stream there for show.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
If he wants it.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
On three to two, he swings.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And goes the opposite field, left field, drifting back toward
the loaf. That's gone.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
That's on AM five seventy, the Dodgers Radio network.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
So, on one hand, you had the Dodgers Blake Snell, who,
of course, uh I think he's one. He's want to
Si young. Of course, he pitched Game seven against the
Dodgers back in the COVID World Series. You know, Blake
Snell wins his first game as a Dodger, they get
a save. They moved to three and oh, Right, the
Dodgers are playing serious competitive baseball games. Then you have
(35:56):
the Angels and you know, full disclosure, I grew up
in Orange, California and Orange in the City of Orange
in Orange County. The Angels on opening Day against the
White Sox, who were far and away the worst team
in baseball last year, not only are down eight nothing
and lose eight to one, but they actually used a
position player to pitch late in the game, like the
(36:17):
idea that I'm that forty five minutes apart. The Dodgers
win their home opener and the Angels now he lose,
but lose to the White Sox and throw out a
position player day one. That's the most Angels thing ever. Right?
Oh yeah, and by the way, the guy that hit
the three run home run for the Dodgers, he used
to be an Angel, right. That is salt in the
(36:40):
wound YEP that tracks. That definitely tracks. This is The
Herd on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in
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Speaker 3 (37:09):
What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd wherever you
may be and however you may make this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottlieb In for
Colin Cowherd on for the next couple of hours, I
want to talk sports.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
What are they?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
We got the Sweet sixteen? Continuing on four, I have
moved forward. I want a performance from A Baba and
Florida and Texas Tech, and I love Duke and the
(37:49):
Dookies and look, I mean, I can I understand what
Colin has been saying about people didn't really love the
Cinderella's not everybody knows what they love, but they do.
They like the David versus Goliath. They like the Again,
it doesn't mean that it was always great basketball with
(38:13):
when you had one one division state tournaments like you
used to have back in Indiana. Obviously that's when myle
and high school, or even when you had two or
three divisions. But when you have like fifteen divisions and
everybody's the state champion, you're like, come on, like, what
are we actually doing here? And I use that because
(38:34):
Cinderella not really having much of a fight it's one thing.
If it's one thing, if you have you have high
powered teams that can pay the best players to come aboard,
it's a whole other thing. If the high power teams
(38:56):
to sit there and go like, hey, let's go watch
the mid majors play, and then every guy they get
that's pretty good. When they get to be twenty three,
twenty four and they get a year or get an
extra year, then we'll we'll pay him to sit on
the bench. Like. That's just the reality of it. So
to people who don't understand what's happened in college basketball,
(39:20):
you have you have teams that have literally thirty x
the money of others, forty x the money of others
competing in an NCAA tournament game. If you look at
my bracket, it is nearly flawless. And it's because all
I did when I picked my bracket as a current
(39:42):
sitting college basketball coachkay, I put no money on it, right,
I just went to Fox Sports Trade dot Com. My
boss is like, you gotta do it, all right, Well,
I'll do it. I just said, hey, who's got more nil?
And then obviously once it gets to be sort of
equal in nil, then I don't know it just done matchups.
I picked a couple. But you're like, man, how boring
you picked for one seed. He's like, yeah, they got
(40:04):
more money than the other teams. Duh, and they got
really good coaches. Because what the SEC did about I
don't know, probably started about eight, nine, ten years ago,
was first they got serious about basketball. That's serious about basketball.
(40:24):
Auburn hired Bruce Pearl. Obviously you look at Tennessee and
they go and you know, you hire a guy who
I think everybody respects, everybody respects and as much as
as much as maybe he hasn't won an NCAA championship,
(40:47):
He's only been to one Final four. Rick Barnes hell
of a coach, right, I mean you go on Rick Barnes,
you have John Caliperi, you kind of go through the list.
Like even before that, when Arkansas had Eric Mussel, like
Musk was had it rolling at Nevada, they went out
and spent a bunch of money on coaches, a bunch
of money on facilities, a bunch of money on all
(41:08):
the support staff. And then once you got to where
you could spend your money on players, they went all in.
I like in what's happened to the sec in basketball
of what's happened when Barry Bonds was on steroids? Right, Like,
think about it. Sammy Sosa was a platoon guy who
(41:30):
went on the juice and became a prodigious home run hitter.
Obviously he couldn't sustain it. He wasn't the world's greatest hitter,
but he was an unbelievable weapon because he was clearly
on steroids. It can also prolong great careers. Roger Clemens, Right,
you take a Roger Clemens, one of the greatest pitchers,
but he started to fade, and then all of a
(41:51):
sudden he started juicing up. And we saw what happened
in Toronto and after he left Toronto, or into Toronto,
and then when he came back down into the continue
contiguous fifty states and what he did late in his career. Right,
it elongates your career. But then you give Barry Bonds,
who was already a Hall of Famer, like one of
the great hitters of any generation, he started to fade too.
(42:12):
You give a great hitter the best drugs, and guess what,
he becomes the best hitter we've ever ever ever seen.
He doesn't get tired, his body doesn't break down. And yeah,
he had seventy seven home runs. He probably would have
had ninety if they pitched to him. That's what happened
to the SEC. They were already all in on basketball.
You already had Kentucky right now. You give the conference
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that that has that is in proximity to many of
the best athletes, and they were already trending in the
way of being the best basketball conference. But what's happened?
How did we go from Syracuse and Louisville and North
Carolina and look, North Carolina spent a lot of money
(42:56):
this year, but all this historic acc what pitt? What
happened to those teams? And how they get left in
the dust by old miss the hair Cris Beard And
they got a huge money, so they did both. They
spent that money on coaches on facilities, and now they
spend it on players. It's Barry Bonds on steroids. Yeah, duh.
(43:19):
You know what happened to Michigan, right, Michigan got a
great coach in Dusty May, and then they opened up
their wallets and they went out and bought a really
good team. You combined a really good coach and a
really good team with a really good facilities at a
really good school, and guess what, they're awesome. Duh, wasn't
that hard? And Colin can say whatever he wants. But
everyone's memory of the final four may be memories of
(43:45):
whomever in the past. Right. You may not think the
Butler run because they were a top ten team, but
the Butler Butler will never be in the final four
again in this current climate, because it's not that you
have to beat one team that has even Butler, now
one team that has Saint Butler's. I don't know what
(44:07):
they're in I l is let's say a million like
you go against five million dollars, six million dollars, seven
million dollar teams in three consecutive rounds. You're not going
to the likelihood of winning is nominal at best. And
you used to be able to compete because you'd have
they'd have younger players, you'd have older players, and you'd
(44:29):
be able to have a cohesion. You don't have that anymore.
So again, we may say, hey, it's the times have changed.
They have this is the current landscape, but you can't
possibly say that you like it more. In the early
(44:52):
rounds of the tournament, because the early rounds of the
tournament were about Vermont beating Syracuse, were about Middle Tennessee
State pulling upset East Tennessee State, Keith mister Jennings Harold
the show Arsenal at Weaber State beating beating North Carolina,
Kent State getting to an Elite eight with Trevor Huffman
(45:15):
as their point guard. Like you name it, Steph Curry,
I don't care how good Steph Curry. Like Steph Curry
as good as he is. Right his last year at Davidson,
he would have been at one of the ACC or
SEC schools. Like, well, he comes from money, Like do
you think no matter what Steph Curry is the current
GM of Davidson's program. They just lost their best player
(45:38):
to the portal. Why because what's the most they can
pay him? A couple hundred thousand dollars? Great, he can
make a million or more playing at one of the
big boys and as a college player if you if
you know, hey, I'm never gonna make a million dollars
playing basketball. Ever, most kids will taken All right, Let's
(45:59):
get to the the story of the week, which is
Lebron James and steven A. Smith I'm Doug Gollibin for
colling this is the hurt on Fox Sports Radio. I
I don't know how much you guys listen to my show,
and I got to never assume is the rule in
sports radio. So the fact that I've said this before,
(46:20):
if you listen to me on a daily basis, I
don't apologize. It is my job to iterate and reiterate myself.
I don't understand why Lebron did this. I just don't
like the I've been quiet my whole career and I'm
(46:40):
gonna body slam Brian Winhurst because he got his first job,
you know, he first got his breakthrough job because of
whatever was assumed about his relationship with Lebron. What is
the win? What was won by Lebron James calling out
(47:04):
Stephen A. Smith for what do you say his Taylor
Swift Tour? Which it's a great line, clearly a prepared line,
but a really good line. What was won by him saying, hey,
Giannis would have had two hundred and fifty points, Like
what exactly was accomplished? All it gave was some sort
(47:24):
of credence or some sort of amplification. What a great word, right, amplification,
I'm gonna win scrabbled night kids, amplification of what steven
A was saying. Yeah, of course, steven A exposed himself
as not like dude. If Lebron James would have put
(47:48):
his hands on would have put his hands on me,
we would have thrown down, like, stop it, embarrassing yourself.
You're embarrassing yourself. In addition to being ten years older
than Lebron James, he's six eight, two hundred and sixty pounds.
Stop it. There's nothing worse than a fake tough guy.
(48:12):
And then, of course he said Lebron wasn't at Kobe's funeral.
He's like my bad. Earlier today he said Nolan richardson,
God rest his soul. Nol rich is a former head
coach of Arkansas. They won a national championship. No, rich
is very much alive. And well, yeah, did he expose
stephen A as being a guy who is riding the
(48:34):
coattails of Lebron James? Of who Stevin A actually is?
And did steven A expose himself as a guy who
does not do the homework, He just does the performance.
Of course, but what's the winning it for Lebron pointing
out other people's flaws, like it may feel good in
the moment, but why have you had to at the
(48:57):
end of the day, Like you're Lebron James, they're not.
You scored more points than anyone in the history of
the NBA. You're not gonna there's no fight. You're gonna
win with people who believe, like myself, that Michael Jordan
was the better all time player. There's no there's no
fight anything you do just reiterates it. Right two nights
(49:21):
ago they win on a tip in in Indy. He
doesn't play particularly well offensively. But if you're was it
what do they call him? Lebron sexuals? You're a Lebron
sexual you're like see the goat. And if you're not,
if you're a Lebron hater, you're like, yeah, well that's
why he doesn't take the game winning shot. But what
(49:43):
what what was Lebron's need to say? I didn't sign
with Nike because they had Michael Jordan. I signed with
Nike because they offered more money ninety million dollars or
actually he didn't say more money, he just said I
got ninety million dollars. Where again, Pat McAfee, if it
was a normal interview. The follow up was what was
the Adidas offer? Because if you signed for less money
(50:07):
with Nike than you did with the Adidas, well then why
did you sign with Nike or Nike better? I think
the answer would be yeah, but twenty million dollars better?
Or was it because of Jordan's legacy? Why did you
wear number twenty three? Duh? But again, what is what
is the actual win? Here's Charles Barkley with Dan Patrick
earlier today on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (50:28):
Lebron he's too big to be that type of bully
to bully steven A and to bully Bron Winhorse Brian
Woodhorst is a sweet person man. He's just trying to
do his thing. And I've always liked Lebron, but him
being a bully it turned me off.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Dan.
Speaker 9 (50:46):
But I will say that steven A, the way he
reacted was so lame and weak. Lebron, like I say,
I blamed him for starting a bullying going on past show,
just bullying people. But the way stephen A react that
going on Gibbeth's podcast, talking tough and I come on, man,
you're better than that. So there's only there's only losers.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
In this scenario, correct, correct, tell you a story real quick, okay,
And I'm not Lebron James. A matter of fact, I'm
the opposite Lebron James. Even when I worked on ESPN
covering college basketball. But a lesson that I learned a
long time ago. I was doing halftime of the ACC
(51:30):
Tournament and Mike's chefsy Coach K was the coach of Duke,
and I think they were playing Maryland at the time,
and at halftime, they interviewed Chris Collins, who's now Northwestern's
head coach, was then the associate head coach, and they
come to us in studio, and I immediately said, and
Duke was like, losing by two points, Why do we
(51:51):
hear from Chris Collins? Because everybody at that point in time,
I think only CBS would get Coach K. At halftime.
I remember, it's two questions, what do you think the
first half? Coach? What are you gonna do the second half?
Thanks coach, right, that's all you really ask. But they're
down two points and the silent reporter goes to Chris Collins,
and Chris Collins gives two really good answers, and they
(52:13):
come back to studio, and I said, like, why why
are we hearing from an assistant coach not from coach K.
And there's a guy named Scott Reese and Scott was
our host of the time. Scott's like, well, what's the
matter with that? And I was like, well, because when
you go into the locker room, unless it's that assistant scout,
(52:33):
you don't hear from all the other assistants. The assistants
Mace make suggestions, but the head coach makes the substitutions,
makes the final decisions. And oh yeah, by the way,
he's Mike freaking Skryzewski. He's coach of Team USA basketball.
He's the most successful modern day basketball coach in the
history of the sport. Yeah, I'd like to ask him
two questions, or you have to, like, I'm not going
to do the interview if we can't hear from Coach K.
(52:57):
So we get done with the segment, we go to
break and there's a head phone behind me and the
man that hired me at ESPN is a guy named
Dan Steer. Dan Steer's nickname is the Vision because the
Vision sees things other people do not. So the Vision
calls me and he says, uh, what the f are
(53:19):
you doing? I was like, I just did halftime vision,
Like what why are you calling out Duke and calling
out coach K for not doing an interview? We was
already pre agreed that we're I was like, I understand,
but like, why win Coach K? Like Coach K, we
want to hear from coach K. And he asked me
(53:39):
the same question I would ask Lebron James, what's the win?
What was the win in what you just said? And
does this is the squeeze worth the juice? What was
the win? What was the win in? Lebron James going
on McAfee like, if it was to tweak steven A. Smith,
(54:01):
instead of confronting him at the Laker game, he should
have pretended like he doesn't exist at the Laker game, right,
giving credence And I've said this back when I was
doing halftime of games, when Beheim would call me out,
when any other coach, when the Big Ten commissioner would
(54:22):
called me out a long time ago, by giving credence
to the things I say. And also instead of and
here's where I will credit Lebron that he didn't assassinate
stephen A's character. He just assassinated his takes, right, did
he fib about it? Sure?
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (54:43):
He can't take constructive criticism of Brownie James because all
I've offered up is constructive criticism of Bronnie James, and
he tweeted at me, so he clearly can't take it.
But the easiest if you want somebody to go away,
and you're somebody super powerful, pretend like they don't exist,
(55:07):
and instead lebron fed the beast, fed the beast
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The Herd. Wherever you may be listening and however you
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(00:54):
This is the Herd. What a night last night in
college basketball? You know, it's always fascinating to me, and
we can get to I I've just so many things
kind of going through my mind as I'm watching watching
college basketball last night, But the main thing is that
(01:18):
I just I sit here and say to myself self,
why do people insist on spreading lies about how things
used to be? There's two different sides to it, right,
and I fully understand that you're listening to Collins Show,
(01:38):
and you're you watch sports television, you listen to sports radio,
and first whatever reason, everything either has to be the
best of the worst. Even look, I love Colin, that's
my guy. Okay, but I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna
tell you some just ask you if you think that
(02:02):
I watched Cooper Flag last night. He's incredible. And anybody says, well,
you know, he's a college basketball player. You're a college
basketball coach. You can't talk about a current college basketball player. Now,
that's only if for some reason, I was going to
recruit Cooper Flag. And there is less than zero percent
chance that Cooper Flag is coming to Green Bay. Listen.
(02:23):
I love my job and I love what we're building here.
Had a couple of really talented kids on campus trying
to recruit him, but that didn't happen. Right, So, Cooper
Flag is amazing. There's nothing about him that resembles Larry
Bird to me. I don't know where that conversation went.
And if Cooper Flag is going to be the best
(02:44):
dukie ever in the NBA, which is what Colin said yesterday,
Greg Towey, that is what he said yesterday. Correct, I
heard it in the promo. I just want to make
sure that I did not mishear it in any way.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Okay, there's a current dukie in the NBA who is
a nine time All Star. He's been on the NBA
Second Team once, two time NBA Third Team, he was
the Rookie of the Year. He's won an NBA championship,
and I most want to point out he's hit the
big shot to win an NBA championship. Are you familiar
(03:18):
with who I'm talking about? That's Kyrie Irving. You're like, wait,
Kyrie Le mean yeah, Okay, so that's a lot, right,
that would be a ton to say he's better than
Kyrie Irving. And again, like, this kid is the great
White Hope. He's an American born, white basketball player who's unbelievable. Okay,
(03:40):
is he better than a six time NBA All Star
who's only twenty seven meeting By the time he's done,
he'll be like a thirteen time nball Star, three time
All NBA First Team and he won an NBA championship.
That would be Jason Tatum. So I understand that we
get to we're watching and you're like Cooper flag has
(04:01):
ever been as good or maybe even better than possibly advertised.
He's a freak, right, He's a power point guard. He
can handle, he can pass, he can shoot, he is
a three level score. I love him. But before we go,
he's gonna be the colt. Is gonna be the greatest
(04:23):
dukie ever. Like I know, we operate on this assumption
that Grant Hill was likely to be the best dukie ever. Unfortunately,
injuries befell him. Is that right? Is that befell him?
I don't know if that's actually a word, but it
is for now. The reality is who that's a big
(04:44):
ask for kid, big, big, big asque for a player. Okay,
so let's get to what really matters. I love the
discussion about how basketball used to be. Neither of these
things are true. You know how we always sometimes will
(05:04):
say both of these things can in fact be true.
Neither of these things are true in that Jannis and
Tennecoupo would not score two hundred and fifty points in
any sort of NBA game if he played in the
seventies or eighties. I just it's one thing to say, hey,
(05:27):
the athletes are better and more skilled now than they've
ever been, and we've evolved as players. Where previously in
his life Jannis would have been he would have been
a center in the NBA or a power forward, and
now he's essentially a point guard, so he would not
have scored two or fourt And you cannot tell me
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that watching Alabama make twenty five of fifty one threes
that you yearned for the mid range. Man, I just
miss old basketball. I don't, and I played older basketball.
I watched it again. I'm not saying those guys aren't great.
Matter of fact, the thing that absolutely positively pisses me
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off about guys like JJ Reddick is JJ Reddick acts
always like, well, Larry Bird's not one of the great
three point shoters all time, bowl It wasn't considered a
great shot, but when he shot the ball, he was
the best at doing it for a star player. So
if al Horford can go from making ten threes his
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first six years in the NBA to being a high
level three point shooter, do you think Larry Effingberd, who
won the three point shooting contest with a shooting shirt on,
shooting jacket on and told everybody which one he guys
are coming in second? Do you think he couldn't have
been an elite three point shooter. Again, the idea that
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Giannis would have scored two hundred fot the arrogance of Lebron,
the arrogance of JJ to act like those guys couldn't.
What's the kid's term level up? Come on, dude, like
Brook Lopez can shoot threes, but Michael Jordan and Chris
Mullen and and Larry Bird couldn't. Of course they could.
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On the other hand, I will side with the new
generation and think all of you people, and I will say,
you people who insist the mid range, where's the mid range?
I don't like watching new age basketball? Okay, So here's
what you do. I want you to go to baseball
people and go, why don't you bunt anymore? Why don't
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you bunt? Or hey, let's just let's just go back
to all the inefficient methods of doing anything right. All
the interfestionis instead of group emails, let's and write out
notes to everyone. By the way, part of my job
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as a basketball coach is I do write thank you notes.
My hand gets so tired. You want to talk about
suburban grit, my ability to sign autographs and write notes
on a regular basis. I almost feel like I'm an
arthritic old man, but really it's just my hand. I can,
I can, I can text and tweet and do whatever
for days. I can talk on the phone for hours.
(08:27):
You asked me to write two thank you notes. I'm like,
I feel like I got carpal tunnel. But would anybody
like to go back to the days of handwritten everything? No? No, hey,
here's what I want you to do. Let's go back
to the days of landlines and no call waiting. You
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remember when you got the first time you got party line? Okay, listen,
cover up your mouth, don't be breathing. I'll ask her
if she likes you. Right, you're all a bunch of
it will and newer doesn't always mean better, but it
definitely means more efficient. Right, More efficient is everything in business.
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Don't work harder, work smarter. And then there's the complete
misconception of well, it's a shot that's closer to the basket,
so you gotta make it at a better rate. Let
me ask you something, Do you guys know what the
an elbow? The elbow jump shot is an elbow jump shot.
The elbow is where the lane line that's where the
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guys stand. You know, where a lane line is right
and the free throw line come together right that spot.
Some people call it the short seventeen. Some people call
it the elbow. I don't know what else it's called.
I've always been told it's the elbow, but I've heard
some people say short seventeen. It's a seventeen foot shot
from there, and nobody stands on the actual elbow. So
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a seventeen to nineteen foot shot. In the NBA, the
best players in the world, and I'm talking about from
Kobe Bryant to Kevin Durant, but the current best NBA players,
Kevin Durant, DeMar Derosen, who's the best mid range shooter
in the NBA. Put it all in, all the NBA players,
do you know what they shoot from the elbow from
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seventeen to nineteen feet? Thirty seven percent is the number?
Is that an efficient shot? No, if you're going to
shoot a shot inside the lane, an efficient shot is
over that of fifty percent as opposed to thirty three
percent being the barrier for a three point shot. How
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do they know, Well, because they do math. Now it
doesn't mean it's just like sports radio. Right there, is gray.
It doesn't mean you never take an open mid range shot.
It doesn't mean you only but for the most part,
ninety five percent. I mean really that there's actually a
different percentile, right. But if you watched last night against Alabama,
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and I'll grant you they were unbelievably efficient. They shot
at a rate that you I have never seen before
collectively as a team at a game of that level.
It was like Pleasantville. Do you remember the first part
of Pleasantville when it was black and white right before
one color and every shot went in. That's what it
had to feel like. If you're like BYU. By was like, dude,
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we're actually pretty good and we have no ability to
stop Mark Sears and the Crimson Tide. But I'd love
mid range guy to be like they should have.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I didn't enjoy watching that I won mid range jump shots.
I yearned for the days of Kazzie Russell dribbling and
backing a guy down and shooting a finger roll from
seventeen feet.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Go back and watch old NCAA tournament games. Go back
and watch old NBA games. Now. Of course, it's not
true that Yiannis would score two hundred fifty points because
back in the seventies you would have a power forward
and lane and a center in the lane. There wasn't
space to just back guys down, and the game was
officiated differently as well. And again, if we put if
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we put him back, then do all the former players
get the diet and the weight training that he gets
now and flying on private private planes and sleeping in
cryo chambers so he takes care of his body? Of
course not. Even then, the bodies were big and strong.
Imagine if they live modern day weights. Like, are we
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comparing comparables? The rules are different, the offense are different,
the bodies are different, everything's different. And yet we're saying, hey,
if you have parachute in Yannis now against them, then
with whose rules he scores two hundred and fifty. No,
that's laughably embarrassing to say. But on the other hand,
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let's not act like the inefficiencies of the past are
something that should draw us in and make us yearn
for it in the future. Just not nobody wants to
handwrite notes anymore. They just don't. I mean, look, not
everybody apparently in Washington can handle the old group text.
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But generally a group text gets things done quite well,
thank you very much. Right, I'm Doug Gottliebin for Collin.
This is the Herd Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. This
is and in case you missed it, this was Lebron
earlier this week on McAfee talking about Giannis.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
You're trying to tell me Giannas wouldn't be able to
play an NBA game in the seventies hit hit He
wouldn't be able to do Jannis answer the Koupo would
have two hundred and fifty points in a game in
a seventy's and fifty uh two hundred and fifty points.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Come on, dude. And by the way, Lebron, in your
effort to settle scores and like, we can get into
why that conversation even happened. But he'd scored two hundred
fifty points. Right, there's two other guys in the lane.
There aren't guys standing outside three point line because there
was no three point line. The real world doesn't have
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all or nothing. It has a lot of gray. It's
not that Jannis would have stunk or he would have
scored two hundred and fifty points. The truth is way
more towards the middle. And while I know Jannis would
I mean again, he looks like a smaller Wilt Chamberlain.
Wilt Chamberlain was an unbelievable athlete. Oscar Robertson was an
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unbelievable athlete. The three point line had not been introduced,
let alone guys being told these are better shots because
of analytics. So which is it? No, we just say
these things to make make us feel better, either about
the past game or the current game. The reality is,
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if you watched Alabama play last night, there isn't a
single solitary, non mouth breathing human being that goes you know,
I know they made twenty five to fifty one threes,
but I just I just wanted them to take you know,
a MIDI fade away, a La Kobe mid range. No,
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No math works, it just does, right, math works, It
just does. Sometimes it defies the normal thought press of
human beings. I'm watching that earthquake in Thailand earlier today,
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and you're looking at buildings swaying and not coming down
or whatever, despite it's like a seven point seven. And
then you look at some of these old buildings built
in the nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties, where they thought the
more cement, the better, right, because common logic would would
lead you to believe that the heavier the building, the
less likely it is to crumble. Correct. Yeah, well ask
(16:24):
anybody in La. Those buildings are light. Those buildings sway.
If there's an earthquake, they're gonna move like seven or
eight feet, which, again the video tells me, don't ever
get on a rooftop pool ever ever, period. Stop. I don't.
I don't care the likelo of an earthquake. If there's
a if you're on a fiftieth floor building and there's
a bunch of supermodels out there, or they're in bikinis,
I ain't getting that pool. I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna
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watch them behind the windows because I just saw that video.
But math works, It explains it. It makes it easy,
it makes it more efficient. They found that lighter and
oftentimes less materials move okay with the earthquake. I understand
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you think a shot closer to the basket is a
better shot, right, that's common life, like, Well, the closer
I get, the more likely I am to make it. Yes,
But when they give you another point for being two
or three steps back further, it's actually better to be
two step three sets back first, unless you're right at
the rim where you have a higher percentage of making
it and you can get fouled, which gives you even
(17:29):
more efficiency. Any of these people, and that includes my
friend Charles Barkley, who tells me they yearn for the
old olden days are just simply trying to pat themselves
in the back over how great they were, and they
were great in a different era. Stop doing it. If
you watch Alabama, you're like, that was pretty cool. Speaking
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of pretty cool, Coming up next in The Herd, I'm
Doug Gottlieb feeling for Colin Richard Pattino. He builds New
Mexico into a winter and now he's in the same
league as his dad. What is the process like of
coaching while negotiations are happening with your agent? And how
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much do you know? When do you know? We'll ask
it all to him? That's up coming next in the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
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Some of you may hurt. I'm also a head coach
now in Division one basketball Green Bay. So just like
every other coach, I'm in portal combat mode. Pooral combat Yeah,
and in something that makes absolutely no sense. Basketball's portal
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open Monday, and yet we still have basketball games being
played on my television. And it's not just the NCAA tournament.
There's the the CBI just finished. Congrats to Illinois State.
I don't know, but there's the NIT which is still ongoing.
And there's the other one, the Crown that's on Fox
Sports one. I have no idea who's even going to
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play for those teams because so many of those kids
have entered either real portal or the dark portal, which
is or the pre portally, which is like pre boarding.
How do you board a plane before you board a plane,
I'm not really sure anyway. To help us kind of
figure it out, and to celebrate whose new job is
the now new head coach of Xavier, who is also
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the sitting Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year. He
coached the Lobos to the Mountain West Conference regular season
championship this year. So now formerly of New Mexico now
Xavier is Richard Patino and he joins us in the
herd on Fox Sports Radio. Richard, how are you.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Doing good, Dougs? How are you?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I'm great, man, I'm great. You know. It's interesting, h
we talked after you lost your job in Minnesota and
then you get a chance to go to a place
like New Mexico. What was the experience like last time
you switched jobs going from Minnesota to New Mexico in
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terms of kind of onboarding and getting that thing going.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, I would say substantially different, right, emotional on both
sides of it. But I think more than anything, new opportunities.
You know, I learned from both, you know, New Mexico.
I didn't have a great feel for the area by
any means, and spent eight years of you know, really
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enjoyed Minnesota, but was looking forward to it, you know,
So learned a lot in both and just get better
and better, you know. And I think Xavier is a
great opportunity and excited about it. So, but you know,
all the moving and you got kids and all that
can be very stressful for everybody. So trying to put
together a roster, trying to figure out moving and transitioning
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and all that. But it's a great opportunity.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Okay, so now you're killing it in New Mexico. You
guys have an unbelievable following Donovan Dent, an unbelievable player
that's been with you for a couple of years, and
you're going to the NCAA tournament, and yet there's all this.
You know, all of a sudden, the Xavier job comes
open because Sean Miller, even though he was coaching against Texas,
it seemed like everybody in the business knew he was
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leaving for Texas. What's that like to manage all that, right,
because again, you're managing your roster, the potential for your
future roster in New Mexico, there's whispers about this other job. Okay,
and then you got to figure out my wife, kid's family,
all that stuff and potentially moving and oh yeah, by
the way, you had your team playing in the NCAA tournament.
How'd you manage all that?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
You know, it's a lot. I know the coaches are
bad guys. I know a good friend of mine, Kevin Willer,
is dealing with it right now. Whether you could say
handle it differently or whatever, I don't know. But coaches
are being put in a tough spot. I mean not
that I want people to feel sorry for us by
any means, but schools are starting earlier and earlier because
of the portal. You know, and people reach out. Doesn't
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mean that you're interviewing by any means, or you're spending
the whole day away from your program, but you certainly
want to see what you know these people are talking about.
For the Xavier experience, it really all happened after the season. Now,
I had some other kind of balls in the air,
so to speak, but I was not going to leave
New Mexico unless it felt right. And you know, when
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Xavier reached out, that was one like, Okay, I can
be back closer to my family, I can be in
the Big East, which I truly believe with this new
model of not sharing rev share with football is an advantage.
I loved the Big East. I grew up with it,
so it felt right. It really did. So you know,
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it's all the rumors and all that. Some of it's true,
some of it was not, but it wasn't real hard
to lock in on the season and just you know,
just just stay in the moment more than anything.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Okay, So now you take over a new job at Xavier,
this is your fourth job, right, fourth job that you've had.
What's the process like now as opposed to the other three? Right,
there wasn't the full portal when you got to New Mexico.
There wasn't any of this when you got to Minnesota.
And obviously when you get to FIU, what's the process
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like now for you?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, I mean way different as it pertains to recruiting.
I don't even know if it's call recruiting anymore. I
mean it's just you know, FIU, there was no transfer deal,
so you really really were trying to establish a culture
and not even worry about wins and losses. And we
got some good transfers that we liked. Sitting out Minnesota
was the traditional recruiting New Mexico. When I got here,
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you weren't allowed to go recruiting because of the pandemic,
so we added a bunch of players off a zooms.
But those last three years where we really excelled. We're
an I own transfer portal, so we've got a body
of work in the new profession that we're in of
even Okay, Donovanan is the number one transfer in the
country right now.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
JT.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Topping is the number one in the country out of
our program go to Texas Tech. So I think we
have a body of work of we have one in
this deal. We've got some really good players that we've
recruited and developed. But it's all about right now. It's
about zooms. It's about putting together your staff, you know.
So we've got it seems daunting because you're really taking
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over a new roster, but everybody's going to have to
deal with this right now. So it's about kind of
spending your money wisely and evaluating properly and you know,
just just turning over every stone, so to speak, and
figure it out.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, it's super interesting. You mentioned that you don't have
to revenue share with football, but you also don't have
maybe the revenue or possibly the reach of football. Okay,
and we're watching we're watching the haves and the have nuts, right,
like you being a part of it. Like we're not
even in the ballpark, right and the Mountain West is
kind of in that curious has been really successful, is
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you know, New Mexico incredibly well supported. But there's always
going to be a difference between New Mexico and the
Big East and then a chasm between New Mexico and
the SEC and Big Ten. Where do you think the
Big East settles in regards to the comparison NIO wise
of how much you have in the bank.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
It's really really difficult to figure that out. You know.
I did have conversations with some schools with football and
just trying. Everybody has no idea what the future holds.
I think the Big East is in an amazing position
of strength because they don't have a cap. You know
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that nobody is spending twenty point five million on men's
basketball or women's basketball, right, so you know, the growth
opportunities for all of these programs are no football, I
think are phenomenal and that was appealing. That was one
of the main factors of why I took the job,
was because we got to build rosters and it's it's
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way more transactional now than it ever is, and who
knows what it'll change. But I think the Big East, Yeah,
you know, if they cap men's basketball at the power
for level at three and a half million or whatever,
and then they say that they're going to really crack
down on the deals, the nil deals, I think the
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Big East is in a great position of strength. But
it's it's like anything else, it's about continue to grow
and invest in your program because if you don't, you're
gonna get left behind.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
It's one thing to compete against your dad once a year,
it's a whole other thing to recruit against or you know,
portal against your dad, right and then coach against your dad,
you know, twice a year. And obviously Saint John's he
flipped that thing in year two and they they seem
to be on a different level and io wise than
some of the other teams in the East. Have you
thought about what this is going to be like, you know,
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it's only.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Really a thing when with media. You know, it's not
traditional recruiting anymore. I don't care what anybody says. It's
just not so it's maybe not as emotional like it
used to be back in the old days when we started.
I just think it's about, you know, how we're going
to invest as we're going against my dad. Like listen,
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he's a young seventy two, but who knows how much
longer he goes, you know, and I just want him
to be happy when we play him two times a year.
Like I understand the hoopla that's going to go with it,
and that's fine, but we're both going to try to
beat each other. It's no real difference. So that was
not even a little bit of I didn't even think
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about it when taking this job.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Will you ever get him in a quarter zip? You
know so many coaches have gone to the quarter zip.
He still wears those beautiful suits. Will you ever get
him in the courterzip?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yeah, I'm not happy about that. That's the only thing
that I don't like about the Big East is I
know that my dad does it. I know that there's
another one that wears suits in that league as well
that we got to get him out of. So who knows.
If Kevin Willard goes to Villanova, he wears suits as well,
so we'll see. You know, that's something I'm going to
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band together and fight with because I love the quarters up.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Richard Pertino, head coach of ex Xavior, the new head coach.
He's the reigning Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year,
coaching the Lobos in New Mexico to the Mountain West
championship this season. He joins us in the Hurdum Doug
Gotlink filling in for Colin. You know again, I don't
know if you find this interesting. Body. I'm watching Alabama
play last night. They make twenty five out of fifty
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one threes, and I'm thinking of your dad, right because
your dad, when he got to Providence, he was the
first one to really really embrace the three point shot.
And yet you have so many people who sit there
and I feel like they say that they just tell lies, Like, man,
I wish I missed the old days, the mid ry
pull up and guys backing people down, like I don't know,
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like you got the mix of old school and new
school with your dad, but your dad was the first
of the truly new school. When you watch Alabama shoot
fifty one threes, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
You know? It's interesting because obviously they've really dove right
in with the three point shot. I understand the value
of offensive rebounding opportunities. Obviously threes are worth more than two.
But I don't know if I want to shoot a
million of them if I'm shooting like twenty eight percent
from them, So I kind of think every team is different.
(29:37):
That was fascinating to watch last night, for sure, to
see that many threes. You know, so it's obviously working,
But I've never seen that many threes taken into It
seems to try to be evolving into a more NBA
model more than anything.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, it really does. We circle back to the nil.
What is it like to be coaching and to think
to your there's that deflating feeling of hey, look I
got my guys prepped, we're really good, but that other
team has two x three X of the money we
have and the reality is, more times than not, we're
just not going to be as good. That's that's part
of why everybody's moving up players and coaches and otherwise. Fair.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's definitely a concern of
the have separating from the have nots. Somebody's always going
to have more money than you. You've just got to
do a very very good job of spending wisely. Not easy, right,
but you know, you've got to really really evaluate how
you're going to spend it. It's like pro sports, and
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it's not going to change until I don't know if
Congress or whoever figures this out, because it's going to
be hard to kind of limit their money. So you know,
I mean, we've beaten teams this year who had more
money than we did. We've lost the teams who had
less money than we did, so we're just trying to
take it year by year. I always tell the players, like,
our goal is certainly to win championships, but we want
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to increase your value. And we certainly did that with
a lot of players in our program, and we were
able to win.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Okay, most important question is you did the perfect job
of leaving. You had the note on social media, you
had the quotes, you had the video, you had all
the different right messages. Plus you stayed through it through
the full cycle. You know, you stay four years like
all right, kind of runs. Of course, you won the
league and then you're out. All good. Did you say
goodbye to Snake before you left?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I did not say goodbye to Snake. You only normally
see Snake on game day. But I'll have to reach
out to them. Yeah, I mean it is emotional. I
think the time is right, you know, I think we
did a lot of great things. You know, my daughter's
going to go into high school, so the timing there
is really good. And you know, the uncertainty of the
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Mountain West was certainly a concern, and I just think
in a very very unstable profession. The Big Yeast is
about a stable of the conferences you're going to get
right now.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, well, listen, you left it better than you found it.
You left an incredible shape. Xavier is a great place
at Cintas Center is it's not the pit, but it's
still an incredible home court. And obviously the Big East
is an unbelievable conference. Hey man, congrats on the new gig.
Congrats on an amazing season, and best of luck here
in portal season.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
All right, thank you for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
All right, that's Richard Pertino, the new head coach of
x That's Xavier, the Musketeers right in the Queens city
of Cincinnati. And no, we didn't do the proverbial skyline
Chile sort of yuckty yuck sort of thing. No, we
did not. We not do that. We could have done
greaters ice cream, right, oh, greats ice really really really good.
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Doug Gottliebit for Collins. I heard Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app.
I'm gonna do a stephen A Smith correction. Lakers are
up five, so you don't file when you're up five,
it's you're up six, then you foul. That makes it
even worse. Said, why would you if Lebron James leave
a shooter in the corner and try and help a
teammate out right, You don't do that. You switch and
(33:58):
you keep the guy in front, and you make them
take a cut tested shot, and then you don't turn
the basketball over. Yesterday was Opening Day in Major League Baseball.
Just baseball in kind of a curious place because in
terms of overall talent wise, it's amazing how many young
players are blowing up. The athleticism is back in the game,
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the games are shorter, they're better. I think baseball, honestly,
in terms of play isn't a great place. I don't
know if it's not too late where so many think
baseball is boring and it is actually the past time.
But whatever, baseball, you know, leaving ESPN at the end
of this year, it's just in a weird place. I
think we can all kind of admit that. But it
(34:43):
was opening Day, and this is you know, like opening
Day part D if you will, because obviously the Dodgers
and the Cubs had Opening Day of their own going
back to Japan, and that was like a week ago, right.
So now you have teams playing a bunch of baseball games,
and yesterday I thought was the perfect embodiment of things
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that track. What do you what do I mean by that?
The Dodgers moved themselves to three and oh. On the
year they won two in Japan, and yesterday they won
well because, among other things, they had show, Hey, Otani.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
They stay out toward right field.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
There's a jet stream there for show.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
If he wants it.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
On three to two, he swings.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And goes the opposite field, left field, drifting back toward
the loaf. That's gone.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
That's on AM five seventy, the Dodgers Radio network.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
So, on one hand, you had the Dodgers Blake Snell, who,
of course, uh I think he's one. He's want to
Si young. Of course, he pitched Game seven against the
Dodgers back in the COVID World Series. You know, Blake
Snell wins his first game as a Dodger, they get
a save. They moved to three and oh, Right, the
Dodgers are playing serious competitive baseball games. Then you have
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the Angels and you know, full disclosure, I grew up
in Orange, California and Orange in the City of Orange
in Orange County. The Angels on opening Day against the
White Sox, who were far and away the worst team
in baseball last year, not only are down eight nothing
and lose eight to one, but they actually used a
position player to pitch late in the game, like the
(36:17):
idea that I'm that forty five minutes apart. The Dodgers
win their home opener and the Angels now he lose,
but lose to the White Sox and throw out a
position player day one. That's the most Angels thing ever. Right?
Oh yeah, and by the way, the guy that hit
the three run home run for the Dodgers, he used
to be an Angel, right. That is salt in the
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wound YEP that tracks. That definitely tracks. This is The
Herd on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in
for Colin. Coming up next Lebron and Steven A. Smith.
Will the beef go Away? We'll discuss next on The
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Speaker 2 (36:58):
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Speaker 3 (37:09):
What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd wherever you
may be and however you may make this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottlieb In for
Colin Cowherd on for the next couple of hours, I
want to talk sports.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
What are they?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
We got the Sweet sixteen? Continuing on four, I have
moved forward. I want a performance from A Baba and
Florida and Texas Tech, and I love Duke and the
(37:49):
Dookies and look, I mean, I can I understand what
Colin has been saying about people didn't really love the
Cinderella's not everybody knows what they love, but they do.
They like the David versus Goliath. They like the Again,
it doesn't mean that it was always great basketball with
(38:13):
when you had one one division state tournaments like you
used to have back in Indiana. Obviously that's when myle
and high school, or even when you had two or
three divisions. But when you have like fifteen divisions and
everybody's the state champion, you're like, come on, like, what
are we actually doing here? And I use that because
(38:34):
Cinderella not really having much of a fight it's one thing.
If it's one thing, if you have you have high
powered teams that can pay the best players to come aboard,
it's a whole other thing. If the high power teams
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to sit there and go like, hey, let's go watch
the mid majors play, and then every guy they get
that's pretty good. When they get to be twenty three,
twenty four and they get a year or get an
extra year, then we'll we'll pay him to sit on
the bench. Like. That's just the reality of it. So
to people who don't understand what's happened in college basketball,
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you have you have teams that have literally thirty x
the money of others, forty x the money of others
competing in an NCAA tournament game. If you look at
my bracket, it is nearly flawless. And it's because all
I did when I picked my bracket as a current
(39:42):
sitting college basketball coachkay, I put no money on it, right,
I just went to Fox Sports Trade dot Com. My
boss is like, you gotta do it, all right, Well,
I'll do it. I just said, hey, who's got more nil?
And then obviously once it gets to be sort of
equal in nil, then I don't know it just done matchups.
I picked a couple. But you're like, man, how boring
you picked for one seed. He's like, yeah, they got
(40:04):
more money than the other teams. Duh, and they got
really good coaches. Because what the SEC did about I
don't know, probably started about eight, nine, ten years ago,
was first they got serious about basketball. That's serious about basketball.
(40:24):
Auburn hired Bruce Pearl. Obviously you look at Tennessee and
they go and you know, you hire a guy who
I think everybody respects, everybody respects and as much as
as much as maybe he hasn't won an NCAA championship,
(40:47):
He's only been to one Final four. Rick Barnes hell
of a coach, right, I mean you go on Rick Barnes,
you have John Caliperi, you kind of go through the list.
Like even before that, when Arkansas had Eric Mussel, like
Musk was had it rolling at Nevada, they went out
and spent a bunch of money on coaches, a bunch
of money on facilities, a bunch of money on all
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the support staff. And then once you got to where
you could spend your money on players, they went all in.
I like in what's happened to the sec in basketball
of what's happened when Barry Bonds was on steroids? Right, Like,
think about it. Sammy Sosa was a platoon guy who
(41:30):
went on the juice and became a prodigious home run hitter.
Obviously he couldn't sustain it. He wasn't the world's greatest hitter,
but he was an unbelievable weapon because he was clearly
on steroids. It can also prolong great careers. Roger Clemens, Right,
you take a Roger Clemens, one of the greatest pitchers,
but he started to fade, and then all of a
(41:51):
sudden he started juicing up. And we saw what happened
in Toronto and after he left Toronto, or into Toronto,
and then when he came back down into the continue
contiguous fifty states and what he did late in his career. Right,
it elongates your career. But then you give Barry Bonds,
who was already a Hall of Famer, like one of
the great hitters of any generation, he started to fade too.
(42:12):
You give a great hitter the best drugs, and guess what,
he becomes the best hitter we've ever ever ever seen.
He doesn't get tired, his body doesn't break down. And yeah,
he had seventy seven home runs. He probably would have
had ninety if they pitched to him. That's what happened
to the SEC. They were already all in on basketball.
You already had Kentucky right now. You give the conference
(42:36):
that that has that is in proximity to many of
the best athletes, and they were already trending in the
way of being the best basketball conference. But what's happened?
How did we go from Syracuse and Louisville and North
Carolina and look, North Carolina spent a lot of money
(42:56):
this year, but all this historic acc what pitt? What
happened to those teams? And how they get left in
the dust by old miss the hair Cris Beard And
they got a huge money, so they did both. They
spent that money on coaches on facilities, and now they
spend it on players. It's Barry Bonds on steroids. Yeah, duh.
(43:19):
You know what happened to Michigan, right, Michigan got a
great coach in Dusty May, and then they opened up
their wallets and they went out and bought a really
good team. You combined a really good coach and a
really good team with a really good facilities at a
really good school, and guess what, they're awesome. Duh, wasn't
that hard? And Colin can say whatever he wants. But
everyone's memory of the final four may be memories of
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whomever in the past. Right. You may not think the
Butler run because they were a top ten team, but
the Butler Butler will never be in the final four
again in this current climate, because it's not that you
have to beat one team that has even Butler, now
one team that has Saint Butler's. I don't know what
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they're in I l is let's say a million like
you go against five million dollars, six million dollars, seven
million dollar teams in three consecutive rounds. You're not going
to the likelihood of winning is nominal at best. And
you used to be able to compete because you'd have
they'd have younger players, you'd have older players, and you'd
(44:29):
be able to have a cohesion. You don't have that anymore.
So again, we may say, hey, it's the times have changed.
They have this is the current landscape, but you can't
possibly say that you like it more. In the early
(44:52):
rounds of the tournament, because the early rounds of the
tournament were about Vermont beating Syracuse, were about Middle Tennessee
State pulling upset East Tennessee State, Keith mister Jennings Harold
the show Arsenal at Weaber State beating beating North Carolina,
Kent State getting to an Elite eight with Trevor Huffman
(45:15):
as their point guard. Like you name it, Steph Curry,
I don't care how good Steph Curry. Like Steph Curry
as good as he is. Right his last year at Davidson,
he would have been at one of the ACC or
SEC schools. Like, well, he comes from money, Like do
you think no matter what Steph Curry is the current
GM of Davidson's program. They just lost their best player
(45:38):
to the portal. Why because what's the most they can
pay him? A couple hundred thousand dollars? Great, he can
make a million or more playing at one of the
big boys and as a college player if you if
you know, hey, I'm never gonna make a million dollars
playing basketball. Ever, most kids will taken All right, Let's
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get to the the story of the week, which is
Lebron James and steven A. Smith I'm Doug Gollibin for
colling this is the hurt on Fox Sports Radio. I
I don't know how much you guys listen to my show,
and I got to never assume is the rule in
sports radio. So the fact that I've said this before,
(46:20):
if you listen to me on a daily basis, I
don't apologize. It is my job to iterate and reiterate myself.
I don't understand why Lebron did this. I just don't
like the I've been quiet my whole career and I'm
(46:40):
gonna body slam Brian Winhurst because he got his first job,
you know, he first got his breakthrough job because of
whatever was assumed about his relationship with Lebron. What is
the win? What was won by Lebron James calling out
(47:04):
Stephen A. Smith for what do you say his Taylor
Swift Tour? Which it's a great line, clearly a prepared line,
but a really good line. What was won by him saying, hey,
Giannis would have had two hundred and fifty points, Like
what exactly was accomplished? All it gave was some sort
(47:24):
of credence or some sort of amplification. What a great word, right, amplification,
I'm gonna win scrabbled night kids, amplification of what steven
A was saying. Yeah, of course, steven A exposed himself
as not like dude. If Lebron James would have put
(47:48):
his hands on would have put his hands on me,
we would have thrown down, like, stop it, embarrassing yourself.
You're embarrassing yourself. In addition to being ten years older
than Lebron James, he's six eight, two hundred and sixty pounds.
Stop it. There's nothing worse than a fake tough guy.
(48:12):
And then, of course he said Lebron wasn't at Kobe's funeral.
He's like my bad. Earlier today he said Nolan richardson,
God rest his soul. Nol rich is a former head
coach of Arkansas. They won a national championship. No, rich
is very much alive. And well, yeah, did he expose
stephen A as being a guy who is riding the
(48:34):
coattails of Lebron James? Of who Stevin A actually is?
And did steven A expose himself as a guy who
does not do the homework, He just does the performance.
Of course, but what's the winning it for Lebron pointing
out other people's flaws, like it may feel good in
the moment, but why have you had to at the
(48:57):
end of the day, Like you're Lebron James, they're not.
You scored more points than anyone in the history of
the NBA. You're not gonna there's no fight. You're gonna
win with people who believe, like myself, that Michael Jordan
was the better all time player. There's no there's no
fight anything you do just reiterates it. Right two nights
(49:21):
ago they win on a tip in in Indy. He
doesn't play particularly well offensively. But if you're was it
what do they call him? Lebron sexuals? You're a Lebron
sexual you're like see the goat. And if you're not,
if you're a Lebron hater, you're like, yeah, well that's
why he doesn't take the game winning shot. But what
(49:43):
what what was Lebron's need to say? I didn't sign
with Nike because they had Michael Jordan. I signed with
Nike because they offered more money ninety million dollars or
actually he didn't say more money, he just said I
got ninety million dollars. Where again, Pat McAfee, if it
was a normal interview. The follow up was what was
the Adidas offer? Because if you signed for less money
(50:07):
with Nike than you did with the Adidas, well then why
did you sign with Nike or Nike better? I think
the answer would be yeah, but twenty million dollars better?
Or was it because of Jordan's legacy? Why did you
wear number twenty three? Duh? But again, what is what
is the actual win? Here's Charles Barkley with Dan Patrick
earlier today on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (50:28):
Lebron he's too big to be that type of bully
to bully steven A and to bully Bron Winhorse Brian
Woodhorst is a sweet person man. He's just trying to
do his thing. And I've always liked Lebron, but him
being a bully it turned me off.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Dan.
Speaker 9 (50:46):
But I will say that steven A, the way he
reacted was so lame and weak. Lebron, like I say,
I blamed him for starting a bullying going on past show,
just bullying people. But the way stephen A react that
going on Gibbeth's podcast, talking tough and I come on, man,
you're better than that. So there's only there's only losers.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
In this scenario, correct, correct, tell you a story real quick, okay,
And I'm not Lebron James. A matter of fact, I'm
the opposite Lebron James. Even when I worked on ESPN
covering college basketball. But a lesson that I learned a
long time ago. I was doing halftime of the ACC
(51:30):
Tournament and Mike's chefsy Coach K was the coach of Duke,
and I think they were playing Maryland at the time,
and at halftime, they interviewed Chris Collins, who's now Northwestern's
head coach, was then the associate head coach, and they
come to us in studio, and I immediately said, and
Duke was like, losing by two points, Why do we
(51:51):
hear from Chris Collins? Because everybody at that point in time,
I think only CBS would get Coach K. At halftime.
I remember, it's two questions, what do you think the
first half? Coach? What are you gonna do the second half?
Thanks coach, right, that's all you really ask. But they're
down two points and the silent reporter goes to Chris Collins,
and Chris Collins gives two really good answers, and they
(52:13):
come back to studio, and I said, like, why why
are we hearing from an assistant coach not from coach K.
And there's a guy named Scott Reese and Scott was
our host of the time. Scott's like, well, what's the
matter with that? And I was like, well, because when
you go into the locker room, unless it's that assistant scout,
(52:33):
you don't hear from all the other assistants. The assistants
Mace make suggestions, but the head coach makes the substitutions,
makes the final decisions. And oh yeah, by the way,
he's Mike freaking Skryzewski. He's coach of Team USA basketball.
He's the most successful modern day basketball coach in the
history of the sport. Yeah, I'd like to ask him
two questions, or you have to, like, I'm not going
to do the interview if we can't hear from Coach K.
(52:57):
So we get done with the segment, we go to
break and there's a head phone behind me and the
man that hired me at ESPN is a guy named
Dan Steer. Dan Steer's nickname is the Vision because the
Vision sees things other people do not. So the Vision
calls me and he says, uh, what the f are
(53:19):
you doing? I was like, I just did halftime vision,
Like what why are you calling out Duke and calling
out coach K for not doing an interview? We was
already pre agreed that we're I was like, I understand,
but like, why win Coach K? Like Coach K, we
want to hear from coach K. And he asked me
(53:39):
the same question I would ask Lebron James, what's the win?
What was the win in what you just said? And
does this is the squeeze worth the juice? What was
the win? What was the win in? Lebron James going
on McAfee like, if it was to tweak steven A. Smith,
(54:01):
instead of confronting him at the Laker game, he should
have pretended like he doesn't exist at the Laker game, right,
giving credence And I've said this back when I was
doing halftime of games, when Beheim would call me out,
when any other coach, when the Big Ten commissioner would
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called me out a long time ago, by giving credence
to the things I say. And also instead of and
here's where I will credit Lebron that he didn't assassinate
stephen A's character. He just assassinated his takes, right, did
he fib about it? Sure?
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (54:43):
He can't take constructive criticism of Brownie James because all
I've offered up is constructive criticism of Bronnie James, and
he tweeted at me, so he clearly can't take it.
But the easiest if you want somebody to go away,
and you're somebody super powerful, pretend like they don't exist,
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and instead lebron fed the beast, fed the beast
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