April 22, 2025 • 39 mins
Sorry Knick fans, Colin has some bad news after a loss to the Pistons and why forcing the ball into Jalen Brunson's hands could be a major mistake. He looks at the NFL draft and why the New York Giants are the latest desperate team who's going to reach on a quarterback. NFL draft analyst Todd McShay joins the show to tell Colin Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders might be falling in the draft.
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Time outstanding books.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So good to do with this anything A little feeling.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Not much happened in the NFL Draft that they sent
me the stories. I'm like, this is the same time
we were talking about three weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well in the draft, yes, but you know, sometimes you
get caught up in the moment. You watch a game
like I'm watching the Clippers Nuggets last night. Those teams
it's a coin flip series. I mean, now, those who
knows I'm gonna take Clippers in six or seven if
the Nuggets won. But when you watch the Knicks and
the Pistons, you thought coming into it, well, the Neck's
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gonna make pretty quick work of them. Detroit's young one
young star e. You know, hey got a couple of
rotational old guys. They're not quite ready. The only reason
the Knicks are not down two nothing in this series
is campaign. That's it. What a big fourth quarter in
Game one? Eleven of us what fourteen points? This was
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a bad night for Cat and it was a bad
night for Tips. Cat no field goal attempts in the
fourth quarter, He didn't score in the third or the
fourth quarter. And Tibbs, just like a defensive NFL head coach,
no feel for offense. Clearly the Knicks. You watch that
twenty one to nothing run in Game one. Clearly the
Knicks are better with pace and tempo when they're moving
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up the floor, but often they become very static and
very stale offensively. And we all like Jalen Brunson, but
between the eighteen dribbles and nine pump fakes, the rest
of the Knicks are standing around watching them. And it's
young Detroit we perceive as less talented Detroit that's playing
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with more tempo. It's sharing the ball. I mean, the
Knicks gave up six first round picks to get Karl
Anthony Towns and McHale Bridges, and they combined in the
second half for six points. They're standing around watching, So
there's no tempo to the Knicks. And we've said this
about Mike Tomlin with Pittsburgh. At some point you can
keep changing coordinators and quarterbacks and and centers. You don't
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have a feel for it, and the Knicks don't have
a feel for offense. And we all like Jalen Brunson
a lot, but this happened last year why they lost
to the Pacers. Jalen Brunson led in usage rate and
a little guy ball in his hands, constantly dribbling, getting
hit to the line, fouled. You just run out of
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guess this is very much. And he's not as talented
offensively as James Harden, but it's Luca. A couple of
years ago getting exhausted in the playoffs. It's harden is
OHA's exhausted the later he goes to the playoffs. The
late Kobe Bryant used to tell young players, you can't
have the ball in your hands all the time. You know,
you gotta let somebody else run the offense occasionally occasionally. So, Brunson,
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this is not gonna end well for this team. Hell,
it may not end well now against Detroit, but you're
not beating the Cavs roster, the Celtics roster, and let's
be totally honest, the Pacers roster. If Jalen Brunson is
the offense and everybody's stand. So I think this is problematic.
The only reason they have been dominated in this game
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this series except for a twenty one zero run and
campaign was on fire in Game one late in the game. Otherwise,
and I'm telling you this feels so Pittsburgh Steelers to me,
where it's like I like the roster, I like a
lot of the players, but it's like the same thing.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
A year after year.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
They can't figure out the offense. And it's so obvious
you can't have the number one usage rate guy in
the league. That guy is gonna get worn out. This
roster's already not as good as Cleveland and Boston, it's
not as good as Oklahoma City, and I could argue
it's not particularly close with all three and they're probably
eventually gonna move Cat, meaning they'll give up more of
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their good players in draft capitol. So this just can't
be a Jalen Brunson team. He's not that good. He's good,
very good. He's not that he's not transformational. He's not
carrying them the championship. And here's Jalen.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
After It's very tough when there's there's definitely one ball,
and you'll have a lot of great players on this team,
and definitely it's it's on my shoulders. I'm not going
to point free agent and say some people need to
do that. In this it's it's on me to make
sure I set the table. So I'll go back and
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I'll figure out what I need to do, We'll have conversations,
and we'll come back better for Game three.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Okay, Well, the good news is he's a smart kid, Villanova,
self awareness, looking in the mirror, not pointing fingers. I mean,
that's that's the good news. And that's why he's so
good at New York because if you're if you're a
finger pointer, the New York media and the talk shows
will eat you alive. So you know, he always owns it.
You feel bad when you criticize him because he's such
a smart guy and such a good guy and he
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totally gets it. But some of this may just be coaching,
Like this is kind of Tibbs. Tibbs always hits that
sort of ceiling where we're like, listen, I love defense too,
but go watch go watch the new Ugets and Clippers.
Kawhi got buckets, Go watch Game one. Jokic got the buckets.
That's what the league is, even in the playoffs. So
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I saw this story this morning. It's it's a wonky draft.
There's a lot of stuff coming out. Giants considering trading
up for a quarterback Jackson Dart later in the first round,
so they would take somebody else, the best player available,
like an Abdul Carter. Then later they'd pass on you
to or Sanders, and later they would come up and
get Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So this is one of the things.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know, the one advantage to age if you're reasonably observant,
is you see people make mistakes and you don't even
have to make them. You can just avoid other people's
mistakes because you've seen so many. And if you look
in the NFL and any business, bad businesses tend to
overcompensate for previous mistakes and reach. You know, it's like
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the Jets giving Aaron Rodgers too much power because they
missed on Zach Wilson, or the Browns paying Deshaun Watson
the game guaranteed contract, or the Giants, you know, choosing
Daniel Jones over Saquon Barkley. It's just bad organizations over
compensating for previous bad decisions. So the idea the Giants
now think Jackson Dart is the dude for the future
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in New York. Let me just ask you this. You
ever notice that a lot of the quarterbacks that don't
make it, you weren't paying a lot of attention to
in college, and they suddenly got really hot after they
stopped playing college football.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Ej.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Manuel Blake, Bortles, Paxton Lynch, Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones. We
never talked about him when they were playing in college.
Suddenly when they stop playing and they got a combine
or film films come out, everybody's like, oh my god,
it's Daniel Jones. I watch Daniel Jones play. I watched
him play at Duke. Never thought he was a first
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round quarterback. I didn't watch Paxton Lynch play in college.
His games weren't on. Now you could say, well, what
about Josh Allen. I got a from Greg Cosell when
Josh Allen was a junior in college at Lousey, Wyoming.
He's like, this guy is a superstar in the making.
Patrick Mahomes people were doing a year before Patrick Mahomes
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entered his last year of college, Brett Veach went to
Andy Reid and.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Said, watch this kid.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So the smart teams in this league, you know, they
knew who Patrick Mahomes was. Brett Veach was a year
ahead everybody else in his division. They were like, look
at this tape, and Andy's like okay, okay, okay. And
he kept bringing tape standy. So he was not somebody
that just suddenly got hot. But I say this about
Jackson Dart his last two years with Lane Kiffen as
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a coach, and ole Miss has big time players. They
went and bought big time players. The last couple of
years Jackson Dart in the SEC. I mean, had he
beaten Kentucky, they probably get into the playoff. How did
he do against Kentucky seventeen points? How did he go
against Bama, Georgia and Florida two years and by the way,
Florida stunk and Alabama had his worst team since two
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thousand and seven? How did he do against those teams
the last two years? With Lane Kiffen more picks than touchdowns,
fifty eight percent completion percentage. He won one game and
in that game he had thirteen completions. So it's like,
you know, like even Tua, who I don't love. We
were talking about Tua the year before he came out.
Trevor Lawrence hasn't been as good as we thought. We
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were talking about Trevor Lawrence when he was a freshman.
Matt Stafford. You know, most of the guys that end
up being stars in this league, we have an idea
who they are as they enter their last year, and
there's a lot of talk. I mean, Arch Manning is
already being discussed as the number one pick. He didn't
start for Texas.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
So Mitch Traubisky was another guy.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's suddenly like oh, Mitch Trubisky got better when.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
He stopped playing.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
It's like, wait a minute. I watched him at Carolina.
He's a front leg thrower. How are you telling me
he's a first round pick? Jed he Picketts another guy.
All of his flaws disappeared once he stopped playing. So
I'm not anti any of these guys. But I never
once looked at Zach Wilson at BYU. I saw him
play Utah twice in the Huskies. I never thought first
round quarterback. And then everybody's trying to convince me of
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it after the fact. So I do think Jackson Dart
has talent. I hope he does well. I root for
young people, but this feels like, you know, giants would
move up to get him.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Boy, oh boy? Is this is this over compensation?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Daniel Jeremiah NFL Scout three team, Now, this is a
week draft. So in a very weak draft, can you
argue he's a late first rounder? I wouldn't others what
here's Daniel Jeremiah on the show yesterday.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
The way I would sell you on him, you know,
in terms of the value there. It reminds me a
lot of hurts, you know, just when Hurts was coming out,
and that you follow the trend line with Hurts, Hurts
got better every year year. He was a strong, sturdy guy.
He's a Jim Ratt who's obsessed with being good. All
the intangible stuffs off the charts. The toughness is there,
the intelligence is there. So to me, I think you're
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just buying that. That trend line just keeps on going.
I could see Brian Daball film like he's a little
bit better fit for that environment that they're in there
in terms of the whather you're going to be playing
in the wind, all those things.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Now, remember though, with Jalen Hurts, best offensive line in football,
Davonte Smith, Dallas Goddard, AJ Brown, Saquon Barkley, best general
manager in football.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So that's different.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Jalen Hurts goes to a aggressive, winning organization in a
pretty bad division. The Giants are the bad team in
that division, and they're not near as good as Washington
now or Philadelphia, and I'd argue Dallas probably has as
good a roster. So I think those are two different situations.
But the argument is he keeps getting better, He keeps
getting better, and this is not a shot on the
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kid's and I'm.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Sure if this kid saw the video, oh this guy
hates me. I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
This is more about the Giants because I've watched this
my entire life. You know, the Jets did this, The
Giants did this, Cleveland Browns did this. When when bad
organizations or poorly run organizations tend to reach and overcompensate
for previous mistakes, and I didn't now and again, it's
a week draft, so maybe.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
This is the year.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But it's I look at all these guys who suddenly
get better when they stopped playing, and you could say, well,
what about Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson was great in college.
The question with Lamar was because he ran so much
in high school and college, will he be a good
pocket quarterback in the NFL. It wasn't that he wasn't
amazing as an athlete. It was I mean, there were
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people saying, I don't think he's a quarterback. I thought
he was a quarterback. But it was a different conversation.
Don't make that the same conversation Lamar. Everybody said he'll
be the best athlete in the league. I mean, he's
gonna be an That wasn't the question. The question was
stylistically Jackson dart to pocket quarterback. I just never watched
him with Lane Kiffen and all those players, because I
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watched old miss football for the big games.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I never watched him and went, wow, first round quarterback.
What do I know? I mean, you know, except I'm
ride a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Other than that, there's an old saying don't go grocery
shopping when you're hungry and the giants are starving at quarterback.
You know, I used to always have a thing when
I would go to Vegas, and I don't go to
Vegas much anymore, but when I would go to Vegas
and I gambled, I always had one rule. And the
staff always laughs at this. I would I would always
gamble hungry. So the biggest time I would ever gamble
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was pre dinner. It'd be like four thirty to five thirty.
I would go down on the floor and play blackjack. Okay,
why because if I hit eight or nine out of
twelve hands, I knew it wasn't gonna. I couldn't sustain it,
and I'd say, boom, six fifteen, let's go to dinner.
You'd never want to go gamble when you're full, because
it's like you're you know, you're you're tired.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I'll just sit there.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Well, over the course of seventy five hands, you're not
going to win fifty five hands, but you can hit like,
you know, six of your first ten hands, walk away
with three hundred bucks and go have dinner drinks on me. So,
by the way, you know, people will say, what about
Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes as a sophomore threw for over
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four hundred.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yards four times.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So the smart people you've heard Gruden tell stories about
this and Brett Feach, the smart guys in the league
knew what he was like as a sophomore. Everybody was
like his dad played Major League baseball. His final year
of college, he threw for over four hundred and fifty
yards six times. So the question with him was, you
know that conference, the Big twelve, does that offense carry
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to the end. It wasn't that Mahomes didn't have talent.
I watched them one time in college and it was wild.
It was like Canadian football. It was like three down football,
just slinging it everywhere, no run game.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, the Shadour at three to the Giants, Joe Shane
made such a mistake with the Daniel Jones. He has
to make up for that or he's gonna lose a job.
And you can't tell me that. He's thinking, I'll keep
my job if we get Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, here's what happens.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
If you draft a quarterback and you're a shaky general manager,
You'll get another year, right, You'll get another year as
a GM because everybody's gonna wait and see if it
becomes magic, and that would save you.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Well, that applies to first round guys, right, second round
quarterback probably, No, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's why I'm saying if you move up and pick
a first round quarterback, it's a little bit of a
life preserver for a year for a GM that's in
trouble because it's like, well, he showed real promise in
those preseason games, which, by the way, in the preseason
now nobody plays starters and historically nobody blitzes. Right, So
you draft a quarterback late first round. He looks good
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against scout team guys in the exhibition season in August,
and everybody's like, hey, Joe Shane may have found the
next Ma Homes. Zach Wilson looked good in preseason to
slow down. You remember that I do. Yeah, yeah, but
that so that's there's at And don't kid yourself. There
are gms in this league drafting to save their job.
Don't kid yourself. They're drafting guys who have injury reports
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but can play immediately, but may have a lower ceiling
because they can get on the field over a guy
who's not ready to play as a rookie but has
a much greater growth projectile.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So be careful.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
One of the things that happened a couple of days
was it yesterday of the day before Nico Harrison.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Oh my lord, So he is talking.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
About that Luca trade. And it's really interesting because I've
talked to somebody that I won't mention their name, who
doesn't hold Nico in a high opinion. But something I
have learned throughout the course of life why you should
never surround yourself with a yes man and why you
should never be a loaner. And I'll explain that coming up.
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
One of the things that is really true, And it
doesn't really matter if you're Nike, you're the Dallas Mavericks,
you're Major League Baseball, NASCAR, it doesn't really matter who
it is that you need to grow and you need
to take chances. You don't want to be the Cincinnati
Bengals who never move on the draft. You want to
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be Philadelphia. Now, Philadelphia, even with their moves, has made mistakes,
and you have to be comfortable with making mistakes. But
when I watched the Mavericks Nico Harrison make the Luca trade,
my first take was, is he a loaner? Very few
successful men are loaners like Elon Musk. You don't have
to like him. He's not a loaner. Now, he works
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all day, he's obsessive, but he's got a big circle
of influence. This is why you know, public companies have
a board of directors. So if you're going to take chances,
you have a lot of voices and a lot of
opinions going into your big chances. So Nico Harrison said
this regarding the Luca disaster trade.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
I didn't know that Luca was important to the to
the fan base. I didn't quite know it to what
level but really, the way we looked at it is,
you know, if you're putting on the if you're putting
the team on the floor, that's Kyrie Clay pj Anthony
Davis and Lively we fill that's a championship caliber team,
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and we would have been winning at a high level,
and that would have quieted some of the outrage.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
He keeps saying, we we, we we Mark Cuban didn't
know about it, and Jason Kidd didn't get a heads up.
Who's we some low level intern scout. I mean, what
if Mark Cuban, pretty smart guy, I'd lean on him,
didn't know. Jason Kidd pretty smart guy, he didn't know.
There's a story this morning that Jason Kidd resented not
being given a heads up, like you're either a loaner
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and that disqualifies you as being a GM. And this
is one of the things that guys can struggle with.
Women are more social than we are. They talk when
they go to the bathroom, right, guys don't. That's why
there's a you know, there's seriously, there's a race for
the cure. Women are there for each other during medical
crisises crises. There is no race for the prostate, right,
Guys don't talk about medical stuff. A guy can go
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golfing for six hours. You get home and your wife goes,
what'd you talk about? And you're like, I don't know
the depth chart for the Chargers? Who's quarterbacking the Bears?
How are the kids doing well? I didn't ask him
about his kids? Well, how are him and Shelley doing well?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I didn't ask him about his wife. You golf for
six hours? How did you not ask? Why? I did?
We talked about the Bears. That's who we are as guys.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
So it's very important that guys make an effort to
be social. And when I watched this Nico Harrison thing,
my whole take is, Bro, don't you have a circle
of friend ends? Well, it was very private guys, marriage,
company house. You always got a guy you bounce it
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off of. Because when that deal happened, the very first
thing all of us did, you, me and everybody, we went,
that's that's fake. That's not a real trade. You're gonna
tell me. Nobody in your social circle said bro. One
first round pick Luka dondis, What come on, bro, you
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gotta get more than that. So the whole thing when
I hear this that we we we well.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Jason Kidd didn't know, Mark Cuban didn't know.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
By the way the media that covers the Mavericks, there
wasn't a sniff of it, so we didn't tell many people.
I don't know who we is, but this is something.
Guys are not social animals, but there are very few
billionaires who are loaners or who are yes men. You
gotta be willing to just ask buddies, ask friends, ask
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your scouts. You got to be willing for people to go.
You're totally wrong on something. I can't believe that everybody
we that he talked to said yeah, I love the move.
I can't believe that that's not pub because every single
one of us and we're just media. You're either in
the media, you're a fan. Nobody thought the deal was real.
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I mean, we were all like, what what happened? So
here's Charles Barkley talking about Nico's pressery yesterday.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
Man, don't do no more press conferences, like, I don't
even know what you're doing. I really don't. Like. I
got sympathy and love for you, but I have zero
idea what you're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
This war is over.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
Brother, you you go to take you take in the ill.
I hope you keep your job. I hope that team
get healthy. But man, don't do any more interviews.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, the more he talks, the worse it gets. And
I just.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I I understand taking a risk. I mean, Nike has
done things as a company and you're like, that's a
bad ad campaign. One of the things I say privately
to my staff all the time when we you know,
we were talking about sometimes media or stuff, I always say,
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did somebody in the room not raise their hand and go, yeah,
that show's not gonna work or that higher is terrible.
I can't believe nobody in the Mavericks circle of trust
or Nico circle of trust didn't go, guys, this is idiotic.
One first round pick and Anthony Davis and I'm I'm
an ad fan, Like you got to get a d
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even sleep on it.
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Speaker 3 (23:34):
Earnest on Thursday. So I want to start with this.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
There's and I had heard this about four or five
days ago that the giants in the room are split
on Shador Sanders, which would lead me to believe they're
not taking a player at number three. They're split on
You've been around these teams. A lot of people have said,
Dave Balls, Moore, Jackson, Dart Shanes, Moore, Chadure, how can
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you be split at this juncture or is this common?
Speaker 10 (24:03):
Let me ask you this question, Colin, like, there are
so few in the league that actually are really really
good at developing quarterbacks, working with quarterbacks and there's a
handful of guys who are considered one of like the
better offensive minds, right right, And so I don't care
if who you draft a quarterback even outlasts the head coach.
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I'm utilizing what his special trade is the reason why
we brought him in as the head coach, what he's
been able to do with quarterbacks and offensively. And so
if Dable doesn't like a guy, or if he likes
a guy, aren't I trusting that opinion over the scouting staff.
And like you know, I'm kind of a scout by trade,
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and I believe in marrying the personnel with the coaching staff.
But in this specific instance, I'm going with the coach
that believes in the quarterback and wants to work with
the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
And so what I'm hearing.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
Matches up with exactly what I expected I've been saying
two weeks now. I can't imagine Brian Dabole is kind
of going all chips.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
In on Shador Sanders.
Speaker 10 (25:07):
Brian Dabolls worked with Jalen Hurts at Alabama, Josh Allen
and Buffalo. He got the best out of Daniel Jones,
a quarterback I never thought should have ever been drafted
where he was, but he got the.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Best on him when he was healthy.
Speaker 10 (25:19):
And so Jackson Dart lines up with what Brian Dabells
looking for in a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Sturdier build, mobility, energy on the ball.
Speaker 10 (25:29):
So I've always said I suspect that Brian Daboll is
a Jackson Dark guy, or maybe even Tyler Shuck or
maybe developing Jaln Milroe. But I can't imagine, especially in
that division, in that weather, that Shador would be the
guy that he say we got to have them. And
so it doesn't surprise me at all that this information
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is coming out. The Chador in Dark thing is fascinating
to me. The same principles were applying to Dabell apply
to Kellen Moore in New Orleans, like he's worked three
OC jobs with Dak Prescott, justin Herbert Jalen Hurts. Those
guys are more in line with what Jackson Dart is.
So I quarterback is not going at three is from
everything I can understand, And if what you just pointed out,
(26:13):
I think it will be abdul Carter if it goes
Ward one Hunter two, So then Shador falls to nine.
Everyone's saying for about a week and I would say
it's not New Orleans. It's I don't think it's Shadoor
New Orleans at nine, and I don't think it would
be Shador to New Orleans at forty. So now it
becomes what's the market for Shador, And everyone's pointing to Pittsburgh.
(26:33):
And I do have from pretty good sources. Mike Tomlin
does like Shador, and there are people in the building
that do like Shador. But we thought for a little while,
that's the hard floor. That's where he's gonna, you know,
worst case, he goes twenty one to Pittsburgh. I was
told Sunday night when I landed here in LA by
someone I trust that probably is much more than anyone
out out there. That's a softer floor than people think.
(26:55):
And it makes sense, like I think Pittsburgh would rather
trade back. They gave up the number the round two
with TK Metcalf. So now we're in a situation where maybe.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
It's like old old.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
On these quarterbacks and we get into the twenties, and yes,
maybe a team like the Giants moved up a little
bit for Jackson dart Or New Orleans Times to get
up ahead of them for Jackson Dart. I don't see
the team out there, and no one I've talked to
sees the team out there that if Shador gets past
twenty one, they're gonna go racing in the first round
to go get him.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
So I'm not saying he won't go in the first round.
We found out the night before on Baker Mayfield. We
didn't know about Michael Pennix last year.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
There's always one team kind of lurking, and so can
he go in the first round if it's not Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Absolutely, But I don't have.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
A team where I'm like, they're gonna come and be
the parachute for Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
So we have heard and almost everybody's told me this,
it's a remarkable running back draft. So let's do some
comps on this. If I say, Travian Henderson Ohio State,
who does he remind you of? Or Omarion Hampton at
Carolina who do they remind you of? Give me a
calm because you've said before, and I've heard this from
multiple people in the league, it's like, this is a
(28:07):
this is a running back draft.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
There are guys.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Rank fifteenth to eighteenth that may play early and be
like regular starting backs in this league. It's that good
of a running back draft. Take Trevon hendersonto Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I liked him. I thought he was really good. Does
he remind you of anybody?
Speaker 10 (28:24):
I think Jamiir Gibbs is an accurate an accurate assessment
if you're trying to do like shades of or comparison,
because and I'll tell you this, and I said this
at the Senior Ball talking to people, and that's when
people are just talking ball and they're not now trying
to give out information for specific reasons. There was some
(28:44):
late first love in Mobile he wasn't there, but just
talking to people on the field and Senior Bowl and.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Kind of people just talking then and.
Speaker 10 (28:52):
Now as we get closer, it was okay, it's going
to be it's going to be aston Gent in the
top ten, and we'll get to that in a minute,
by the way, and then it's going to be Omari
and Hampton. Maybe he goes shortly thereafter. Worst case he
goes twenty to Denver. I'm starting to get the sense,
and in part because this class is so good at
running back and it's so deep that the running backs
could fall.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
A little bit.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
And I'm also getting a sense that it won't be
shocking if Trevon Henderson goes before Omari and Hampton, and
so it's just something to keep an eye on that.
There are some teams in the twenties that I know
of that have a lot higher grades on Trevon Henderson
than people would like to think. Now, will they take
a running back in the late first when there's the
end of the offensive tackle, run is going to be there,
(29:35):
the end of the edge class run is going to
be there. So that'll be interesting to see. But don't
be shocked if Henderson goes before Hampton. And also don't
be surprised if we don't have Remember twenty seventeen, Collin
right with that great running back class, Thirty running backs
were drafted, one of the best classes ever. It started
with Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey. Alvin Kamara was in
that class, but there were only five running backs taken
(29:58):
in the first eighty five because everyone in the league
knew we can target our guy and different flavors on
Day two, on Day three and Saturday, and so we
saw a couple more go but from pick one oh
five to the end of the draft, there were twenty
three running backs selected.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
I think this class could be a little bit more
like that.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
So it's interesting. There's always a player.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So the first round's over and then everybody goes out,
has a has a cold beer, and they go.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
To the lobby of the hotel.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
They talk, and all of a sudden, there's one player,
like a Mecca Buca of Ohio State that didn't go
and whoever's got that first pick in the second round.
Everybody's like, because I think that kid I have taught,
Nobody I've talked to doesn't love him, don't. I mean,
if he can do he can do sideline, more of
(30:46):
a slot, runs, the right routes, work. You can see
the work on the field. So I have this feeling
that he's going to escape the first round and all
of a sudden there's going to be people that will move.
Everybody's saying it's a move down draft. I could see
people moving up if he's.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Not drafted in the first round.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
So my question is is he a first round or
to you or very top of the second?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Because everybody likes.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
Him, I agree, if he's sitting there top of the second,
he's the guy that you do move up.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
For and it was interesting. I was at I was
at Ohio.
Speaker 10 (31:21):
State for the pro day, and it was like it
was Nick Bose's year. There were some stars at receiver
and Haskins was a quarterback. So I was sent out
by the network to go cover these these star players.
Everyone I talked to in the inside the building, coaches,
people that work in the staff there, equipment managers like, hey,
(31:43):
this Terry McLaurin guy. You have no idea how important
he was to this team and he wound up going
what third round? I think it was mech is kind
of the same. It's like you watch him on Take
Colin and it's not this I made this ridiculous like comparison.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Right.
Speaker 10 (31:59):
It's not like when you go out to a night
club or a lounge or somewhere and you see this
beautiful woman and she jumps up like there's no special
trait with a mecca. But it's like the friend group
you have and there's this one, this one girl or
guy that is like always there, trustworthy, makes you laugh
a lot, and then over time, over time you're like,
I just I like how I I like who I
(32:21):
am when I'm around him. Yeah, I like I trust
this person that's a mecca. You trust him implicitly. He's
a force multiplier in your locker room. You know what,
You're gonna get eighty ninety catches out of him. It
may not be eighteen yards per catch, but it's gonna
be like eleven or twelve. We're gonna get first downs.
He's going to be a best friend to a quarterback
in the league. I don't think he gets out of
the first round, but if he.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Does, I'm with you.
Speaker 10 (32:42):
I think I think teams would be like, let's make
a call overnight, let's grab it.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
I checked him this hotel by the way, and the
first thing I saw, there's a tap in this hotel.
It's it's the herd pills pills there, so they'll they'll
grab a herd kills ther right. Could you believe me?
I walked in here, I got my bad, I.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Got all my stuff, and I see that the herd
kills and they're tapped in here, so I had to
get that on.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
That hotel's got good taste. Okay. I want to end
with that.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Abdul Carter he's been advised to get surgery. He doesn't
want to get surgery. Drew Rosenhouse very persuasive, but that's
that worries me. Like, I know he's talented. I watched
him play six times this year? Is that a deal break? Here?
Is that weird where he's got an injury. Everybody's saying, bro,
(33:31):
get surgery. He's like, I want to get surgery. What
do you make of that story?
Speaker 10 (33:38):
I've talked to teams in the league and they're not
overly worried about it, and it's kind of been left
at that, so I, you know, and I've talked to him,
like they've set their board. One team I talked to today,
they're doing their final. They they've got their psychologists coming in,
their doctors coming in. So like, different teams are in
different parts of the process. But ultimately I haven't gotten
(33:58):
any word from a single team where it's like, yeah,
that's that's something that we would shy away from. Right,
So let me before we jump off, I just want
to get to this. This this to me on Thursday
night is going to be fascinating.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
I think Abdul does go three to the Giants.
Speaker 10 (34:14):
I think Will Campbell does go fourth to the New
England Patriots. I think this is a class where everyone
I've talked to lines up with a lot of my grades.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
There's no offensive The offensive.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
Tackle would have been the fifth fifth best tackle last year.
The wide receiver would have been the fifth best wide
receiver last year. Okay, but we're gonna see those positions
bumped up because specific teams have specific needs, like the
Patriots at left tackle with Will Campbell. I'm hearing now, Jacksonville,
think back to Trevor Lawrence and Justin Ross and t Higgins,
those sixty four receivers, four thousand yards in twenty eighteen,
(34:45):
twenty nineteen, forty.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Two touchdown catches. That's when he was at his best.
Speaker 10 (34:49):
There's this six to four wide receiver out of Arizona
called named Tedtero and McMillan, and I don't have him
rated that high, but maybe he's the pick at five
and then six. Everyone says Ashton genty to the Raiders.
I'm hearing it's armand Membu the offensive tackle or maybe
an edge. So we could have a group because of
picks four, five and six and specific needs at tackle
(35:10):
and wide receiver that are there. All of a sudden,
we get to seven in the Jets. We got Carolina
at eight we got New Orleans at nine, the Bears
at ten, and they could have a situation where these
edge rushers are still on the board. Jalen Walker included,
we could have Ashton Genty falling to the Chicago Bears
at ten, Tyler Warren and Colston Lovelin.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
I've talked to so many teams in the league. They
all have him in the top nine or ten players
on their board. All of these and Mason Graham defensive tackle.
Speaker 10 (35:39):
So picks four and five are going to set the
tone for this draft, and the teams drafting after two
and through Chicago could be looking at players that they
had rated three, four five on their board that are
still sitting there.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I can't wait. Todd mcshae, the Todd mcshae, the ringer.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Good see anybody, good seeing you too.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
But yeah, it's the you know, it's so funny that
Hampton and Ashton Genty are getting so much publicity that
people are overlooking. Uh Trevon Henderson at Ohio State, who's
a stud And if you looked up and said, oh, yeah,
he made.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Like four Pro Bowls, you'd be like, yeah, yeah, I
mean he is a he is a burner. I mean
he is big time.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
When that guy gets like a second step, it's like
by so I don't know, I just he's one of
these classic guys. Is because Genty is such an interesting player.
Five and eight and a half out of Boysey State.
There's everybody's glooming onto him. He's a very good player.
I think we're forgetting Henderson at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
But can I push back on Henderson for a quick second.
He was on a loaded teeth, but who are incredible?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
But they did not have a great offense at long.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
It was good in the playoff, it was dominant. I mean, listen,
I like Henderson a lot. I had him in first
round in some mock drafts, and some people are like, listen,
he's more of a second but he's great. You as
the second round right, like you put him on the rams,
he will.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Be Well, I don't have a second round pick, but
he is. There's two guys from Ohio State. This is
I keep asking about it. Yeah, the other guy too,
who uh the receiver and Henderson. If they're not taken
in the first round, they have to be the first
and second guy taken in the second round.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Those guys are start Day one.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I know, but a lot of this colent.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
We talked about DeVante Adams earlier, right awesome in Green Bay.
Goes to the Raiders, puts up numbers, they didn't win anything.
Goes to the Jets, numbers, they didn't win anything, but
got to be on a good team with.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
A good coach.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Well that's the other thing. Davante was expensive. These guys
second round free. So when you get Davonte, okay, well
then there's people I can't get because of the salary.
I'm just telling you, if those two Ohio State guys
do not go in the first round, you can't tell
me it's a bad draft. Those are Day one exceptional starters.
Those are really good college players. What about your boy
(37:51):
Will Howard or no O Riley Leonard?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Why any chatter on those two?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
A lot of people don't have my ability to see
the future.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
He'll He'll go, I saw.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
The funniest stat on the Louisville quarterback. What's his name,
Shook Tyler.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Something everybody tells me, dude, he is literally twenty seven
years old. He would older than Trevor Lawrence to that.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
So he played in college for seven years, He started
for one season. That's it now, he had a lot
of starts, like spotty starts, guys.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I said this, dude, when you go to college, Remember
when you went to college and your freshman year, you're
in the dorm and there's the.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Resident, the the R. Yeah, Resident Resident Advisor, the RA.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
And he's the one guy with a beard and he
drinks like expensive beer, like and he's got like the
nicest car. And you're like, that guy's a winner. No,
he's just older than everybody. He's just the old guy
that you're like, Man, he's drinking like he's not drinking.
Milwaukee's back a.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Beast for that guy.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, he's twenty seven in your nineteen, right, he had
a bit of an edge.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
So I would say that quarterback is the R of
the drive
Speaker 1 (38:59):
That I like, OK's good.
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So good to do with this anything A little feeling.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Not much happened in the NFL Draft that they sent
me the stories. I'm like, this is the same time
we were talking about three weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well in the draft, yes, but you know, sometimes you
get caught up in the moment. You watch a game
like I'm watching the Clippers Nuggets last night. Those teams
it's a coin flip series. I mean, now, those who
knows I'm gonna take Clippers in six or seven if
the Nuggets won. But when you watch the Knicks and
the Pistons, you thought coming into it, well, the Neck's
(01:30):
gonna make pretty quick work of them. Detroit's young one
young star e. You know, hey got a couple of
rotational old guys. They're not quite ready. The only reason
the Knicks are not down two nothing in this series
is campaign. That's it. What a big fourth quarter in
Game one? Eleven of us what fourteen points? This was
(01:52):
a bad night for Cat and it was a bad
night for Tips. Cat no field goal attempts in the
fourth quarter, He didn't score in the third or the
fourth quarter. And Tibbs, just like a defensive NFL head coach,
no feel for offense. Clearly the Knicks. You watch that
twenty one to nothing run in Game one. Clearly the
Knicks are better with pace and tempo when they're moving
(02:15):
up the floor, but often they become very static and
very stale offensively. And we all like Jalen Brunson, but
between the eighteen dribbles and nine pump fakes, the rest
of the Knicks are standing around watching them. And it's
young Detroit we perceive as less talented Detroit that's playing
(02:38):
with more tempo. It's sharing the ball. I mean, the
Knicks gave up six first round picks to get Karl
Anthony Towns and McHale Bridges, and they combined in the
second half for six points. They're standing around watching, So
there's no tempo to the Knicks. And we've said this
about Mike Tomlin with Pittsburgh. At some point you can
keep changing coordinators and quarterbacks and and centers. You don't
(03:02):
have a feel for it, and the Knicks don't have
a feel for offense. And we all like Jalen Brunson
a lot, but this happened last year why they lost
to the Pacers. Jalen Brunson led in usage rate and
a little guy ball in his hands, constantly dribbling, getting
hit to the line, fouled. You just run out of
(03:25):
guess this is very much. And he's not as talented
offensively as James Harden, but it's Luca. A couple of
years ago getting exhausted in the playoffs. It's harden is
OHA's exhausted the later he goes to the playoffs. The
late Kobe Bryant used to tell young players, you can't
have the ball in your hands all the time. You know,
you gotta let somebody else run the offense occasionally occasionally. So, Brunson,
(03:46):
this is not gonna end well for this team. Hell,
it may not end well now against Detroit, but you're
not beating the Cavs roster, the Celtics roster, and let's
be totally honest, the Pacers roster. If Jalen Brunson is
the offense and everybody's stand. So I think this is problematic.
The only reason they have been dominated in this game
(04:07):
this series except for a twenty one zero run and
campaign was on fire in Game one late in the game. Otherwise,
and I'm telling you this feels so Pittsburgh Steelers to me,
where it's like I like the roster, I like a
lot of the players, but it's like the same thing.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
A year after year.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
They can't figure out the offense. And it's so obvious
you can't have the number one usage rate guy in
the league. That guy is gonna get worn out. This
roster's already not as good as Cleveland and Boston, it's
not as good as Oklahoma City, and I could argue
it's not particularly close with all three and they're probably
eventually gonna move Cat, meaning they'll give up more of
(04:46):
their good players in draft capitol. So this just can't
be a Jalen Brunson team. He's not that good. He's good,
very good. He's not that he's not transformational. He's not
carrying them the championship. And here's Jalen.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
After It's very tough when there's there's definitely one ball,
and you'll have a lot of great players on this team,
and definitely it's it's on my shoulders. I'm not going
to point free agent and say some people need to
do that. In this it's it's on me to make
sure I set the table. So I'll go back and
(05:22):
I'll figure out what I need to do, We'll have conversations,
and we'll come back better for Game three.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Okay, Well, the good news is he's a smart kid, Villanova,
self awareness, looking in the mirror, not pointing fingers. I mean,
that's that's the good news. And that's why he's so
good at New York because if you're if you're a
finger pointer, the New York media and the talk shows
will eat you alive. So you know, he always owns it.
You feel bad when you criticize him because he's such
a smart guy and such a good guy and he
(05:47):
totally gets it. But some of this may just be coaching,
Like this is kind of Tibbs. Tibbs always hits that
sort of ceiling where we're like, listen, I love defense too,
but go watch go watch the new Ugets and Clippers.
Kawhi got buckets, Go watch Game one. Jokic got the buckets.
That's what the league is, even in the playoffs. So
(06:08):
I saw this story this morning. It's it's a wonky draft.
There's a lot of stuff coming out. Giants considering trading
up for a quarterback Jackson Dart later in the first round,
so they would take somebody else, the best player available,
like an Abdul Carter. Then later they'd pass on you
to or Sanders, and later they would come up and
get Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So this is one of the things.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know, the one advantage to age if you're reasonably observant,
is you see people make mistakes and you don't even
have to make them. You can just avoid other people's
mistakes because you've seen so many. And if you look
in the NFL and any business, bad businesses tend to
overcompensate for previous mistakes and reach. You know, it's like
(06:54):
the Jets giving Aaron Rodgers too much power because they
missed on Zach Wilson, or the Browns paying Deshaun Watson
the game guaranteed contract, or the Giants, you know, choosing
Daniel Jones over Saquon Barkley. It's just bad organizations over
compensating for previous bad decisions. So the idea the Giants
now think Jackson Dart is the dude for the future
(07:14):
in New York. Let me just ask you this. You
ever notice that a lot of the quarterbacks that don't
make it, you weren't paying a lot of attention to
in college, and they suddenly got really hot after they
stopped playing college football.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Ej.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Manuel Blake, Bortles, Paxton Lynch, Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones. We
never talked about him when they were playing in college.
Suddenly when they stop playing and they got a combine
or film films come out, everybody's like, oh my god,
it's Daniel Jones. I watch Daniel Jones play. I watched
him play at Duke. Never thought he was a first
(07:50):
round quarterback. I didn't watch Paxton Lynch play in college.
His games weren't on. Now you could say, well, what
about Josh Allen. I got a from Greg Cosell when
Josh Allen was a junior in college at Lousey, Wyoming.
He's like, this guy is a superstar in the making.
Patrick Mahomes people were doing a year before Patrick Mahomes
(08:14):
entered his last year of college, Brett Veach went to
Andy Reid and.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Said, watch this kid.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So the smart teams in this league, you know, they
knew who Patrick Mahomes was. Brett Veach was a year
ahead everybody else in his division. They were like, look
at this tape, and Andy's like okay, okay, okay. And
he kept bringing tape standy. So he was not somebody
that just suddenly got hot. But I say this about
Jackson Dart his last two years with Lane Kiffen as
(08:42):
a coach, and ole Miss has big time players. They
went and bought big time players. The last couple of
years Jackson Dart in the SEC. I mean, had he
beaten Kentucky, they probably get into the playoff. How did
he do against Kentucky seventeen points? How did he go
against Bama, Georgia and Florida two years and by the way,
Florida stunk and Alabama had his worst team since two
(09:04):
thousand and seven? How did he do against those teams
the last two years? With Lane Kiffen more picks than touchdowns,
fifty eight percent completion percentage. He won one game and
in that game he had thirteen completions. So it's like,
you know, like even Tua, who I don't love. We
were talking about Tua the year before he came out.
Trevor Lawrence hasn't been as good as we thought. We
(09:26):
were talking about Trevor Lawrence when he was a freshman.
Matt Stafford. You know, most of the guys that end
up being stars in this league, we have an idea
who they are as they enter their last year, and
there's a lot of talk. I mean, Arch Manning is
already being discussed as the number one pick. He didn't
start for Texas.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
So Mitch Traubisky was another guy.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's suddenly like oh, Mitch Trubisky got better when.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
He stopped playing.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
It's like, wait a minute. I watched him at Carolina.
He's a front leg thrower. How are you telling me
he's a first round pick? Jed he Picketts another guy.
All of his flaws disappeared once he stopped playing. So
I'm not anti any of these guys. But I never
once looked at Zach Wilson at BYU. I saw him
play Utah twice in the Huskies. I never thought first
round quarterback. And then everybody's trying to convince me of
(10:17):
it after the fact. So I do think Jackson Dart
has talent. I hope he does well. I root for
young people, but this feels like, you know, giants would
move up to get him.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Boy, oh boy? Is this is this over compensation?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Daniel Jeremiah NFL Scout three team, Now, this is a
week draft. So in a very weak draft, can you
argue he's a late first rounder? I wouldn't others what
here's Daniel Jeremiah on the show yesterday.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
The way I would sell you on him, you know,
in terms of the value there. It reminds me a
lot of hurts, you know, just when Hurts was coming out,
and that you follow the trend line with Hurts, Hurts
got better every year year. He was a strong, sturdy guy.
He's a Jim Ratt who's obsessed with being good. All
the intangible stuffs off the charts. The toughness is there,
the intelligence is there. So to me, I think you're
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just buying that. That trend line just keeps on going.
I could see Brian Daball film like he's a little
bit better fit for that environment that they're in there
in terms of the whather you're going to be playing
in the wind, all those things.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Now, remember though, with Jalen Hurts, best offensive line in football,
Davonte Smith, Dallas Goddard, AJ Brown, Saquon Barkley, best general
manager in football.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So that's different.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Jalen Hurts goes to a aggressive, winning organization in a
pretty bad division. The Giants are the bad team in
that division, and they're not near as good as Washington
now or Philadelphia, and I'd argue Dallas probably has as
good a roster. So I think those are two different situations.
But the argument is he keeps getting better, He keeps
getting better, and this is not a shot on the
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kid's and I'm.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Sure if this kid saw the video, oh this guy
hates me. I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
This is more about the Giants because I've watched this
my entire life. You know, the Jets did this, The
Giants did this, Cleveland Browns did this. When when bad
organizations or poorly run organizations tend to reach and overcompensate
for previous mistakes, and I didn't now and again, it's
a week draft, so maybe.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
This is the year.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But it's I look at all these guys who suddenly
get better when they stopped playing, and you could say, well,
what about Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson was great in college.
The question with Lamar was because he ran so much
in high school and college, will he be a good
pocket quarterback in the NFL. It wasn't that he wasn't
amazing as an athlete. It was I mean, there were
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people saying, I don't think he's a quarterback. I thought
he was a quarterback. But it was a different conversation.
Don't make that the same conversation Lamar. Everybody said he'll
be the best athlete in the league. I mean, he's
gonna be an That wasn't the question. The question was
stylistically Jackson dart to pocket quarterback. I just never watched
him with Lane Kiffen and all those players, because I
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watched old miss football for the big games.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I never watched him and went, wow, first round quarterback.
What do I know? I mean, you know, except I'm
ride a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Other than that, there's an old saying don't go grocery
shopping when you're hungry and the giants are starving at quarterback.
You know, I used to always have a thing when
I would go to Vegas, and I don't go to
Vegas much anymore, but when I would go to Vegas
and I gambled, I always had one rule. And the
staff always laughs at this. I would I would always
gamble hungry. So the biggest time I would ever gamble
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was pre dinner. It'd be like four thirty to five thirty.
I would go down on the floor and play blackjack. Okay,
why because if I hit eight or nine out of
twelve hands, I knew it wasn't gonna. I couldn't sustain it,
and I'd say, boom, six fifteen, let's go to dinner.
You'd never want to go gamble when you're full, because
it's like you're you know, you're you're tired.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I'll just sit there.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Well, over the course of seventy five hands, you're not
going to win fifty five hands, but you can hit like,
you know, six of your first ten hands, walk away
with three hundred bucks and go have dinner drinks on me. So,
by the way, you know, people will say, what about
Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes as a sophomore threw for over
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four hundred.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yards four times.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So the smart people you've heard Gruden tell stories about
this and Brett Feach, the smart guys in the league
knew what he was like as a sophomore. Everybody was
like his dad played Major League baseball. His final year
of college, he threw for over four hundred and fifty
yards six times. So the question with him was, you
know that conference, the Big twelve, does that offense carry
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to the end. It wasn't that Mahomes didn't have talent.
I watched them one time in college and it was wild.
It was like Canadian football. It was like three down football,
just slinging it everywhere, no run game.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, the Shadour at three to the Giants, Joe Shane
made such a mistake with the Daniel Jones. He has
to make up for that or he's gonna lose a job.
And you can't tell me that. He's thinking, I'll keep
my job if we get Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, here's what happens.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
If you draft a quarterback and you're a shaky general manager,
You'll get another year, right, You'll get another year as
a GM because everybody's gonna wait and see if it
becomes magic, and that would save you.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Well, that applies to first round guys, right, second round
quarterback probably, No, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's why I'm saying if you move up and pick
a first round quarterback, it's a little bit of a
life preserver for a year for a GM that's in
trouble because it's like, well, he showed real promise in
those preseason games, which, by the way, in the preseason
now nobody plays starters and historically nobody blitzes. Right, So
you draft a quarterback late first round. He looks good
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against scout team guys in the exhibition season in August,
and everybody's like, hey, Joe Shane may have found the
next Ma Homes. Zach Wilson looked good in preseason to
slow down. You remember that I do. Yeah, yeah, but
that so that's there's at And don't kid yourself. There
are gms in this league drafting to save their job.
Don't kid yourself. They're drafting guys who have injury reports
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but can play immediately, but may have a lower ceiling
because they can get on the field over a guy
who's not ready to play as a rookie but has
a much greater growth projectile.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So be careful.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
One of the things that happened a couple of days
was it yesterday of the day before Nico Harrison.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Oh my lord, So he is talking.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
About that Luca trade. And it's really interesting because I've
talked to somebody that I won't mention their name, who
doesn't hold Nico in a high opinion. But something I
have learned throughout the course of life why you should
never surround yourself with a yes man and why you
should never be a loaner. And I'll explain that coming up.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
One of the things that is really true, And it
doesn't really matter if you're Nike, you're the Dallas Mavericks,
you're Major League Baseball, NASCAR, it doesn't really matter who
it is that you need to grow and you need
to take chances. You don't want to be the Cincinnati
Bengals who never move on the draft. You want to
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be Philadelphia. Now, Philadelphia, even with their moves, has made mistakes,
and you have to be comfortable with making mistakes. But
when I watched the Mavericks Nico Harrison make the Luca trade,
my first take was, is he a loaner? Very few
successful men are loaners like Elon Musk. You don't have
to like him. He's not a loaner. Now, he works
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all day, he's obsessive, but he's got a big circle
of influence. This is why you know, public companies have
a board of directors. So if you're going to take chances,
you have a lot of voices and a lot of
opinions going into your big chances. So Nico Harrison said
this regarding the Luca disaster trade.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
I didn't know that Luca was important to the to
the fan base. I didn't quite know it to what
level but really, the way we looked at it is,
you know, if you're putting on the if you're putting
the team on the floor, that's Kyrie Clay pj Anthony
Davis and Lively we fill that's a championship caliber team,
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and we would have been winning at a high level,
and that would have quieted some of the outrage.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
He keeps saying, we we, we we Mark Cuban didn't
know about it, and Jason Kidd didn't get a heads up.
Who's we some low level intern scout. I mean, what
if Mark Cuban, pretty smart guy, I'd lean on him,
didn't know. Jason Kidd pretty smart guy, he didn't know.
There's a story this morning that Jason Kidd resented not
being given a heads up, like you're either a loaner
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and that disqualifies you as being a GM. And this
is one of the things that guys can struggle with.
Women are more social than we are. They talk when
they go to the bathroom, right, guys don't. That's why
there's a you know, there's seriously, there's a race for
the cure. Women are there for each other during medical
crisises crises. There is no race for the prostate, right,
Guys don't talk about medical stuff. A guy can go
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golfing for six hours. You get home and your wife goes,
what'd you talk about? And you're like, I don't know
the depth chart for the Chargers? Who's quarterbacking the Bears?
How are the kids doing well? I didn't ask him
about his kids? Well, how are him and Shelley doing well?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I didn't ask him about his wife. You golf for
six hours? How did you not ask? Why? I did?
We talked about the Bears. That's who we are as guys.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
So it's very important that guys make an effort to
be social. And when I watched this Nico Harrison thing,
my whole take is, Bro, don't you have a circle
of friend ends? Well, it was very private guys, marriage,
company house. You always got a guy you bounce it
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off of. Because when that deal happened, the very first
thing all of us did, you, me and everybody, we went,
that's that's fake. That's not a real trade. You're gonna
tell me. Nobody in your social circle said bro. One
first round pick Luka dondis, What come on, bro, you
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gotta get more than that. So the whole thing when
I hear this that we we we well.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Jason Kidd didn't know, Mark Cuban didn't know.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
By the way the media that covers the Mavericks, there
wasn't a sniff of it, so we didn't tell many people.
I don't know who we is, but this is something.
Guys are not social animals, but there are very few
billionaires who are loaners or who are yes men. You
gotta be willing to just ask buddies, ask friends, ask
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your scouts. You got to be willing for people to go.
You're totally wrong on something. I can't believe that everybody
we that he talked to said yeah, I love the move.
I can't believe that that's not pub because every single
one of us and we're just media. You're either in
the media, you're a fan. Nobody thought the deal was real.
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I mean, we were all like, what what happened? So
here's Charles Barkley talking about Nico's pressery yesterday.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
Man, don't do no more press conferences, like, I don't
even know what you're doing. I really don't. Like. I
got sympathy and love for you, but I have zero
idea what you're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
This war is over.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
Brother, you you go to take you take in the ill.
I hope you keep your job. I hope that team
get healthy. But man, don't do any more interviews.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, the more he talks, the worse it gets. And
I just.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I I understand taking a risk. I mean, Nike has
done things as a company and you're like, that's a
bad ad campaign. One of the things I say privately
to my staff all the time when we you know,
we were talking about sometimes media or stuff, I always say,
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did somebody in the room not raise their hand and go, yeah,
that show's not gonna work or that higher is terrible.
I can't believe nobody in the Mavericks circle of trust
or Nico circle of trust didn't go, guys, this is idiotic.
One first round pick and Anthony Davis and I'm I'm
an ad fan, Like you got to get a d
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Austin Reeves in three to four first round picks to
even sleep on it.
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Speaker 1 (23:24):
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Speaker 3 (23:34):
Earnest on Thursday. So I want to start with this.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
There's and I had heard this about four or five
days ago that the giants in the room are split
on Shador Sanders, which would lead me to believe they're
not taking a player at number three. They're split on
You've been around these teams. A lot of people have said,
Dave Balls, Moore, Jackson, Dart Shanes, Moore, Chadure, how can
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you be split at this juncture or is this common?
Speaker 10 (24:03):
Let me ask you this question, Colin, like, there are
so few in the league that actually are really really
good at developing quarterbacks, working with quarterbacks and there's a
handful of guys who are considered one of like the
better offensive minds, right right, And so I don't care
if who you draft a quarterback even outlasts the head coach.
(24:23):
I'm utilizing what his special trade is the reason why
we brought him in as the head coach, what he's
been able to do with quarterbacks and offensively. And so
if Dable doesn't like a guy, or if he likes
a guy, aren't I trusting that opinion over the scouting staff.
And like you know, I'm kind of a scout by trade,
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and I believe in marrying the personnel with the coaching staff.
But in this specific instance, I'm going with the coach
that believes in the quarterback and wants to work with
the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
And so what I'm hearing.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
Matches up with exactly what I expected I've been saying
two weeks now. I can't imagine Brian Dabole is kind
of going all chips.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
In on Shador Sanders.
Speaker 10 (25:07):
Brian Dabolls worked with Jalen Hurts at Alabama, Josh Allen
and Buffalo. He got the best out of Daniel Jones,
a quarterback I never thought should have ever been drafted
where he was, but he got the.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Best on him when he was healthy.
Speaker 10 (25:19):
And so Jackson Dart lines up with what Brian Dabells
looking for in a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Sturdier build, mobility, energy on the ball.
Speaker 10 (25:29):
So I've always said I suspect that Brian Daboll is
a Jackson Dark guy, or maybe even Tyler Shuck or
maybe developing Jaln Milroe. But I can't imagine, especially in
that division, in that weather, that Shador would be the
guy that he say we got to have them. And
so it doesn't surprise me at all that this information
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is coming out. The Chador in Dark thing is fascinating
to me. The same principles were applying to Dabell apply
to Kellen Moore in New Orleans, like he's worked three
OC jobs with Dak Prescott, justin Herbert Jalen Hurts. Those
guys are more in line with what Jackson Dart is.
So I quarterback is not going at three is from
everything I can understand, And if what you just pointed out,
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I think it will be abdul Carter if it goes
Ward one Hunter two, So then Shador falls to nine.
Everyone's saying for about a week and I would say
it's not New Orleans. It's I don't think it's Shadoor
New Orleans at nine, and I don't think it would
be Shador to New Orleans at forty. So now it
becomes what's the market for Shador, And everyone's pointing to Pittsburgh.
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And I do have from pretty good sources. Mike Tomlin
does like Shador, and there are people in the building
that do like Shador. But we thought for a little while,
that's the hard floor. That's where he's gonna, you know,
worst case, he goes twenty one to Pittsburgh. I was
told Sunday night when I landed here in LA by
someone I trust that probably is much more than anyone
out out there. That's a softer floor than people think.
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And it makes sense, like I think Pittsburgh would rather
trade back. They gave up the number the round two
with TK Metcalf. So now we're in a situation where maybe.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
It's like old old.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
On these quarterbacks and we get into the twenties, and yes,
maybe a team like the Giants moved up a little
bit for Jackson dart Or New Orleans Times to get
up ahead of them for Jackson Dart. I don't see
the team out there, and no one I've talked to
sees the team out there that if Shador gets past
twenty one, they're gonna go racing in the first round
to go get him.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
So I'm not saying he won't go in the first round.
We found out the night before on Baker Mayfield. We
didn't know about Michael Pennix last year.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
There's always one team kind of lurking, and so can
he go in the first round if it's not Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Absolutely, But I don't have.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
A team where I'm like, they're gonna come and be
the parachute for Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
So we have heard and almost everybody's told me this,
it's a remarkable running back draft. So let's do some
comps on this. If I say, Travian Henderson Ohio State,
who does he remind you of? Or Omarion Hampton at
Carolina who do they remind you of? Give me a
calm because you've said before, and I've heard this from
multiple people in the league, it's like, this is a
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this is a running back draft.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
There are guys.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Rank fifteenth to eighteenth that may play early and be
like regular starting backs in this league. It's that good
of a running back draft. Take Trevon hendersonto Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I liked him. I thought he was really good. Does
he remind you of anybody?
Speaker 10 (28:24):
I think Jamiir Gibbs is an accurate an accurate assessment
if you're trying to do like shades of or comparison,
because and I'll tell you this, and I said this
at the Senior Ball talking to people, and that's when
people are just talking ball and they're not now trying
to give out information for specific reasons. There was some
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late first love in Mobile he wasn't there, but just
talking to people on the field and Senior Bowl and.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Kind of people just talking then and.
Speaker 10 (28:52):
Now as we get closer, it was okay, it's going
to be it's going to be aston Gent in the
top ten, and we'll get to that in a minute,
by the way, and then it's going to be Omari
and Hampton. Maybe he goes shortly thereafter. Worst case he
goes twenty to Denver. I'm starting to get the sense,
and in part because this class is so good at
running back and it's so deep that the running backs
could fall.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
A little bit.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
And I'm also getting a sense that it won't be
shocking if Trevon Henderson goes before Omari and Hampton, and
so it's just something to keep an eye on that.
There are some teams in the twenties that I know
of that have a lot higher grades on Trevon Henderson
than people would like to think. Now, will they take
a running back in the late first when there's the
end of the offensive tackle, run is going to be there,
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the end of the edge class run is going to
be there. So that'll be interesting to see. But don't
be shocked if Henderson goes before Hampton. And also don't
be surprised if we don't have Remember twenty seventeen, Collin
right with that great running back class, Thirty running backs
were drafted, one of the best classes ever. It started
with Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey. Alvin Kamara was in
that class, but there were only five running backs taken
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in the first eighty five because everyone in the league
knew we can target our guy and different flavors on
Day two, on Day three and Saturday, and so we
saw a couple more go but from pick one oh
five to the end of the draft, there were twenty
three running backs selected.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
I think this class could be a little bit more
like that.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
So it's interesting. There's always a player.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So the first round's over and then everybody goes out,
has a has a cold beer, and they go.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
To the lobby of the hotel.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
They talk, and all of a sudden, there's one player,
like a Mecca Buca of Ohio State that didn't go
and whoever's got that first pick in the second round.
Everybody's like, because I think that kid I have taught,
Nobody I've talked to doesn't love him, don't. I mean,
if he can do he can do sideline, more of
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a slot, runs, the right routes, work. You can see
the work on the field. So I have this feeling
that he's going to escape the first round and all
of a sudden there's going to be people that will move.
Everybody's saying it's a move down draft. I could see
people moving up if he's.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Not drafted in the first round.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
So my question is is he a first round or
to you or very top of the second?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Because everybody likes.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
Him, I agree, if he's sitting there top of the second,
he's the guy that you do move up.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
For and it was interesting. I was at I was
at Ohio.
Speaker 10 (31:21):
State for the pro day, and it was like it
was Nick Bose's year. There were some stars at receiver
and Haskins was a quarterback. So I was sent out
by the network to go cover these these star players.
Everyone I talked to in the inside the building, coaches,
people that work in the staff there, equipment managers like, hey,
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this Terry McLaurin guy. You have no idea how important
he was to this team and he wound up going
what third round? I think it was mech is kind
of the same. It's like you watch him on Take
Colin and it's not this I made this ridiculous like comparison.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Right.
Speaker 10 (31:59):
It's not like when you go out to a night
club or a lounge or somewhere and you see this
beautiful woman and she jumps up like there's no special
trait with a mecca. But it's like the friend group
you have and there's this one, this one girl or
guy that is like always there, trustworthy, makes you laugh
a lot, and then over time, over time you're like,
I just I like how I I like who I
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am when I'm around him. Yeah, I like I trust
this person that's a mecca. You trust him implicitly. He's
a force multiplier in your locker room. You know what,
You're gonna get eighty ninety catches out of him. It
may not be eighteen yards per catch, but it's gonna
be like eleven or twelve. We're gonna get first downs.
He's going to be a best friend to a quarterback
in the league. I don't think he gets out of
the first round, but if he.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Does, I'm with you.
Speaker 10 (32:42):
I think I think teams would be like, let's make
a call overnight, let's grab it.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
I checked him this hotel by the way, and the
first thing I saw, there's a tap in this hotel.
It's it's the herd pills pills there, so they'll they'll
grab a herd kills ther right. Could you believe me?
I walked in here, I got my bad, I.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Got all my stuff, and I see that the herd
kills and they're tapped in here, so I had to
get that on.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
That hotel's got good taste. Okay. I want to end
with that.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Abdul Carter he's been advised to get surgery. He doesn't
want to get surgery. Drew Rosenhouse very persuasive, but that's
that worries me. Like, I know he's talented. I watched
him play six times this year? Is that a deal break? Here?
Is that weird where he's got an injury. Everybody's saying, bro,
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get surgery. He's like, I want to get surgery. What
do you make of that story?
Speaker 10 (33:38):
I've talked to teams in the league and they're not
overly worried about it, and it's kind of been left
at that, so I, you know, and I've talked to him,
like they've set their board. One team I talked to today,
they're doing their final. They they've got their psychologists coming in,
their doctors coming in. So like, different teams are in
different parts of the process. But ultimately I haven't gotten
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any word from a single team where it's like, yeah,
that's that's something that we would shy away from. Right,
So let me before we jump off, I just want
to get to this. This this to me on Thursday
night is going to be fascinating.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
I think Abdul does go three to the Giants.
Speaker 10 (34:14):
I think Will Campbell does go fourth to the New
England Patriots. I think this is a class where everyone
I've talked to lines up with a lot of my grades.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
There's no offensive The offensive.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
Tackle would have been the fifth fifth best tackle last year.
The wide receiver would have been the fifth best wide
receiver last year. Okay, but we're gonna see those positions
bumped up because specific teams have specific needs, like the
Patriots at left tackle with Will Campbell. I'm hearing now, Jacksonville,
think back to Trevor Lawrence and Justin Ross and t Higgins,
those sixty four receivers, four thousand yards in twenty eighteen,
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twenty nineteen, forty.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Two touchdown catches. That's when he was at his best.
Speaker 10 (34:49):
There's this six to four wide receiver out of Arizona
called named Tedtero and McMillan, and I don't have him
rated that high, but maybe he's the pick at five
and then six. Everyone says Ashton genty to the Raiders.
I'm hearing it's armand Membu the offensive tackle or maybe
an edge. So we could have a group because of
picks four, five and six and specific needs at tackle
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and wide receiver that are there. All of a sudden,
we get to seven in the Jets. We got Carolina
at eight we got New Orleans at nine, the Bears
at ten, and they could have a situation where these
edge rushers are still on the board. Jalen Walker included,
we could have Ashton Genty falling to the Chicago Bears
at ten, Tyler Warren and Colston Lovelin.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
I've talked to so many teams in the league. They
all have him in the top nine or ten players
on their board. All of these and Mason Graham defensive tackle.
Speaker 10 (35:39):
So picks four and five are going to set the
tone for this draft, and the teams drafting after two
and through Chicago could be looking at players that they
had rated three, four five on their board that are
still sitting there.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I can't wait. Todd mcshae, the Todd mcshae, the ringer.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Good see anybody, good seeing you too.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
But yeah, it's the you know, it's so funny that
Hampton and Ashton Genty are getting so much publicity that
people are overlooking. Uh Trevon Henderson at Ohio State, who's
a stud And if you looked up and said, oh, yeah,
he made.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Like four Pro Bowls, you'd be like, yeah, yeah, I
mean he is a he is a burner. I mean
he is big time.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
When that guy gets like a second step, it's like
by so I don't know, I just he's one of
these classic guys. Is because Genty is such an interesting player.
Five and eight and a half out of Boysey State.
There's everybody's glooming onto him. He's a very good player.
I think we're forgetting Henderson at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
But can I push back on Henderson for a quick second.
He was on a loaded teeth, but who are incredible?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
But they did not have a great offense at long.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
It was good in the playoff, it was dominant. I mean, listen,
I like Henderson a lot. I had him in first
round in some mock drafts, and some people are like, listen,
he's more of a second but he's great. You as
the second round right, like you put him on the rams,
he will.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Be Well, I don't have a second round pick, but
he is. There's two guys from Ohio State. This is
I keep asking about it. Yeah, the other guy too,
who uh the receiver and Henderson. If they're not taken
in the first round, they have to be the first
and second guy taken in the second round.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Those guys are start Day one.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I know, but a lot of this colent.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
We talked about DeVante Adams earlier, right awesome in Green Bay.
Goes to the Raiders, puts up numbers, they didn't win anything.
Goes to the Jets, numbers, they didn't win anything, but
got to be on a good team with.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
A good coach.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Well that's the other thing. Davante was expensive. These guys
second round free. So when you get Davonte, okay, well
then there's people I can't get because of the salary.
I'm just telling you, if those two Ohio State guys
do not go in the first round, you can't tell
me it's a bad draft. Those are Day one exceptional starters.
Those are really good college players. What about your boy
(37:51):
Will Howard or no O Riley Leonard?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Why any chatter on those two?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
A lot of people don't have my ability to see
the future.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
He'll He'll go, I saw.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
The funniest stat on the Louisville quarterback. What's his name,
Shook Tyler.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Something everybody tells me, dude, he is literally twenty seven
years old. He would older than Trevor Lawrence to that.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
So he played in college for seven years, He started
for one season. That's it now, he had a lot
of starts, like spotty starts, guys.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I said this, dude, when you go to college, Remember
when you went to college and your freshman year, you're
in the dorm and there's the.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Resident, the the R. Yeah, Resident Resident Advisor, the RA.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
And he's the one guy with a beard and he
drinks like expensive beer, like and he's got like the
nicest car. And you're like, that guy's a winner. No,
he's just older than everybody. He's just the old guy
that you're like, Man, he's drinking like he's not drinking.
Milwaukee's back a.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Beast for that guy.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, he's twenty seven in your nineteen, right, he had
a bit of an edge.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
So I would say that quarterback is the R of
the drive
Speaker 1 (38:59):
That I like, OK's good.
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