April 25, 2025 • 33 mins
Colin thinks the Jaguars and Falcons made major mistakes trading up in the draft and the selections they made, pointing out a trend for the bad teams across the league for the past several years. He explains why it's not a surprise Shedeur Sanders fell in the draft and why being humble has value. Plus, Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show in studio to tell Colin why the Cowboys had a stellar first round pick and where Sanders will end up getting selected
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, it's the Friday after Round one NFL Draft am
main primary topic today Round one of the NFL drafts.
All sorts of surprises. Jmacair Urban Meyer stopped by this dollar,
Michael Urban and studio Shador Sanders did not get drafted.
It is boot. You know, it's so much to talk
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about miss draft. You know, I just watched because certain
things happen, and I'm texting with friends, you know in
the league all night and with people all night, wrised. Everybody,
Well they all got back. It's other final time. Like
all my buddies who are working in this league in
the executive tweaked, all excited. They're all fired up, bopen
optimism maybe yeah. And by the way, I tend to
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think the guys that I connect with are really smart,
and they all did really well. Oh everybody did great.
Everybody ate the first round. But I want to start
with this. You know, it's hard for me to have
sympathy for some of these losing franchises. There's a reason
the same team's draft at the top every year, and
then I always feel like the Jets are up there,
the Jaguars are up there. So think about Jacksonville. And
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I never talked Jacksonville, so this will be brief. They
trade up in the draft. They have a first time
head coach, a first time GM, a first time offensive coordinator,
a first time defensive coordinator. They've had one little brief
three day camp. You don't even know you were personnel
good enough yet to make a massive trade. Not to
mention Travis Hunter is unbelievably talented, but you got to
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deal with that offense defensive pivot thing. Like jackson you
don't know your personnel well enough yet to make a
massive trade. You got first time GM coach coordinators, how
about you going through a camp or two huge swing
over compensate and Cleveland, Cleveland, which needs a future quarterback.
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I mean, can you just say arch Manning. They now
have two potential top ten picks in next year's draft,
which is a significantly better draft than this one. So
Cleveland's like, yeah, we'll take picks for next year. This
is a bad draft. I mean, this was not a
very good draft, so I mean to me Cleveland and Cleveland,
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by the way, also now has two of the four
first picks in Round two. So Cleveland ends up getting
a first round pick, and then they get potentially today
Travian Henderson running back Will Johnson, and they already got
Mason Graham and they'll have Jacksonville's first round pick. Cleveland
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set themselves up beautifully. And listen, I like Andrew Berry.
I have I've said this. The ownership drives me nuts.
I love the coach and I love the GM. I'm
a Stefanski fan through and through, and I like Andrew Berry.
I love those guys. They've had to overcome some nonsense upstairs,
but I love those guys. Cleveland ace the test. They
got a first round pick and a better draft. They
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got Mason Graham, They're gonna end up getting potentially two more.
There's some really nice players in the top seven picks
in this draft. And oh, by the way, they're not
the only ones, Atlanta, The hell are you doing? Atlanta
gave the Rams again a first round pick as they
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look to draft Matt Stafford's replacement. The Rams that told
me six months ago they weren't going to draft the
quarterback in the first round. This was not the quarterback
first round draft. So the Rams got a second round
pick a first round pick. Next year in the draft
they'll have to draft a quarterback a much better quarterback draft.
And Atlanta, who already drafted a net rusher, gave up
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a first round pick for another red rusher who, by
the way, was off at least eight to ten teams
boards because of character issues. What are you doing? You
don't late in round one in a week draft give
up a first round pick for a much better draft
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for a position you drafted earlier, on a player that
was off many teams boards.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Lord.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And conversely, again, save your empathy for the people who
deserve it, you know, I mean like burn victims and orphans,
I mean savior imp I don't feel sorry for some
of these teams who did well. Shocking the Harbaughs. Jim
Harbaugh gets Najee Harris and now he's got Hampton the
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running back. Jim Harbaugh's got his classic Stanford Michigan. He's
got his backfield. He's ready to go. Two power runners
with Joe Alton Slater. Now they're going to go get
a tight ends and wide receivers. By the way, who
also did well Baltimore, John Harbon, the Ravens. Once again,
they go to the SEC. They get the best safety
in the draft. He's a Georgia guy. All those Georgia
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first round guys work. So it's like as much of
stuff changes too much, it stays the same. I'll give
Cleveland a ton of credit, but I like their people anyway. Again,
I think Barry and Stefanski are really smart guys. I
know people that know him. I don't know him. I
know people that know him, people really respect him. But
I mean, this is not a good draft, and everybody
knows it. This is not a great draft. You're drafting
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late like Atlanta. You're giving up a first round pick
and a better draft. Now the Rams will not have
a great first round pick next year because they're good,
but Atlanta could be average so they could get a
top They just got into the top two potentially of
next year's draft in a much better draft, in a draft.
They need a quarterback Cleveland, same thing. It's just crazy
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to me. And you know, yesterday Diana Russini came on
the show and it was funny. Remember when she came
on the show. Diana Russini said that she was told
Jacksonville was gonna do something exciting. How about just doing
something smart? If you got first time coach GM coordinators,
what are you doing taking massive swings on a player
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that it's gonna be kind of hard to massage because
he should be a receiver, but he wants to be
a corner and that's gonna be a little tricky.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Ech.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, let's get to the shede Ry Sanders thing. So
you know, let me tell you something. It's never a
bad message to tell your kids. Be humble. Humility works
in the summer, it works in the fall. Humility works
in the spring. Humility works in the winter. Gash your
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kids up too much. It didn't really bother me when
they retired Shador Sanders number. But he has a five
hundred quarterback who couldn't get drafted in the first round.
It's a little much. Everything is something. Nothing is everything.
Shadoor Sanders didn't get drafted. There's multiple reports. Eh O
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cocky what ebbs? But I'm watching his draft room and
the word legendary is all over the draft room. I'm like,
can we just can we just pull the temperature down
a little? It's not the end of the world. If
he had Caleb Williams talent, nobody would I guess care
about it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
The whole thing is like, Bro, you wore New York
Giant cleats. Remember when he wore the New York Giant cleats?
Like like, like, can we just humility is not? I
know in society everybody loves the TikTok watch thing. You
know who doesn't apparently love it? NFL executives, you're drafting employees.
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That's all these teams are doing. They're drafting employees. Did
you notice the two players in the first round that
moved up about ten spots? What a shock to a
plus plus plus character guys, the receiver from Ohio State.
We talked about this all week, A plus plus plus character, humble, hardworking.
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Everybody that I have as a source loved that kid.
Not just a player, they loved that kid. Shocking. He
went from middle of the second round to middle of
the first over the last month. And a half. What
a shock, great player, but checks all the boxes.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
The other kid that moved up about half around was
Tyler Booker, the guard the Dallas Cowboys got team captain.
Unbelievable passion. How do you not love that kid? I mean,
how do you know what that kid a team? I'm
never gonna criticize any player who cares that much about
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being drafted. I want to buy that guy's jersey. I
wish he wasn't a guard, it would be I mean,
but who are the guys that moved up in the
draft team captains? I mean, there was Joel Klatz talking
about a story yesterday about Buka. He could have gotne
too the NFL last year. He would have been a
fourth round pick, but he could have gone. But he
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wanted to stay. He wanted to be part of the
great Ohio state receiver lineage. He wanted to help the
new kid from Alabama, Jeremiah Smith, the great receiver they
have like like work his way into the Buckeyes. Like
that stuff matters. You are drafting employees. Can we just
go back in society where hard work matters and humility's
not uncool? I know you're gonna race to TikTok, and
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you got all your stuff on TikTok. It's not the
end of the world. I don't really care. If you
have great talent, I'm drafting you. But like something has
happened in America, where can we just have it's humili
be the worst thing. You gotta put legendary everywhere. How
about you play a game one? Just give me one
game and then you can put legendary all over your house.
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I don't care. It's just and I listen, I'm not
rooting against the kid. I like Sandor Sanders. I think
he's good. I like him more than Jackson Dart. I
may be in the minority. I'll get to the giants pick.
I mean I like him. I would have drafted him
I needed a quarterback. I think he's bigger than people think.
I think he's got good mechanics. I think he's super accurate,
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you know, I mean, I think he's pretty good. I
think accuracy really matters. But as I watched the thing,
look who got drafted higher than you thought, and look
at some of the guys who fall, and I do
think there is something to be said. This nil thing
is gonna be tricky because guys come in now and
they can throw their own parties and buy their own stuff.
And that's fine. I don't resent any of that stuff.
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I'm not anti anybody. But listen, the Pittsburgh Steelers are
desperate for a quarterback. When they moved, they said not interested.
I mean, and Mike Tomlins about as player friendly as
anybody in the league. So it's just let me just
say this again. Everything with a quarterback is something. Nothing's everything.
But don't listen to the young media that's always pro
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player everything with quarterbacks on all the texts I get
for my entire career. Everything with quarterbacks, you are judged differently.
It's all something. May not be everything, it's something. And
so I think Shooter is going to go very early today.
Jackson Dart I'll get to that in a second, but
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it's wildly fun. My lead today though, was these teams
that draft at the top every year. I cannot believe
Jacksonville took that swing with all first time people in
the building. I don't. I mean, I had a soup.
I had a NFL executor that sent me a laugh
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emoji after that pick and texted me and said he
is not on at least five boards I know of.
And again, James Pierce could not being a good player.
He's a very good player. But you give it up
a first round pick and a better draft. What are
we doing here?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I actually like what Atlanta did get in two pass rushers,
shopping in the SEC where they have the best pass rushers.
But Kin, let me make a quick point about this
Travis Hunter trade.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
So you know how.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Sometimes we as guys like to signal to women like, Hey,
I've got a Porsche or I've got a big, big truck.
I'm signaling to you what kind of guy I am?
I think Jacksonville was signaling to everybody else. Hey, we're
gonna be cool. We're gonna go get Travis Hunter. Everybody
loves this generational right player. We're not the International Jack Jaguars,
the team that's got to play in London every year.
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We're cool, We're relevant. I don't care that we're giving
up a twenty twenty six first, but we are. We're
a cool team now that we've got Travis Hunters. I
think I don't love that strategy.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
No, no, I'm not hating on the player. Travis Hunter
is a good player, but you are a franchise that
coach GM coordinators. You don't even know your personnel that well.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Is he going to be Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Well.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I think he's going to be an excellent NFL player
and I am rooting for him and I can't wait
to watch him. But I mean, everybody want to, Hey,
we're gonna make the draft exciting. Just make it smart.
The team's drafting at the top. They need players. They
don't need fun and exciting. They need more players. I mean,
you look at Philadelphia's roster, Detroit roster, Baltimore's roster, the
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Rams roster, I mean the Rams, by the way, why
do they move back? Well, they wanted Colston Lovely, they
wanted the tight end for the Raiders Bowers last year.
McVay is looking to upgrade at tight end. I wouldn't
be surprised if the Rams first pick today is a
tight end or a corner bling green. Yeah, I mean
they want a tight end. They want to, so they
thought about it. But but they moved down. Why because
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they want? They did the teams at the bottom of
the draft to have very few needs. What does Philadelphia
need what is Kansasity, Buffalo, Baltimore need Baltimore already has
an All Pro safety. They were like, let's go get
another one. So it's just it's I just, I'm gonna
save in life empathy for those that deserve it and
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some of you teams that keep doing dumb stuff. I don't,
I don't. I don't feel bad.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I thought Pittsburgh was going to be in consideration for
a lead for you today drafting a defensive play.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
No, you know what, I'll defend Pittsburgh, l I just
I will. I want to talk about what the Bears did.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
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Speaker 1 (14:44):
Just because you've been a losing franchise doesn't mean you
don't have smart people in the building. Cleveland's a losing franchise,
but I think Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski pulled off
a little bit of a heist with Jacksonville. Listen to Chicago,
maybe losing franchise. I loved their pick. So you don't
have to coddle your kids or coddle a quarterback, but
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you can set them up for success. They went out
upgraded their O line. If you're paying attention in Chicago,
Dolman the center from Atlanta, Top eight center, Joe Tooney,
top two or three interior lineman Jonah Jackson starter. So
they've upgraded their offensive line. They like their right tackle,
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and now they hire an offensive coach and they go
get Colston Loveland from Michigan, who the Rams liked, the
Chargers liked, uh Denver liked, like the smart offensive guys
in this league. All sniffed moving up to get this guy,
but the price was too steep. All the people I
trust the offensive they all love this Michigan kid. And
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so now Kaylub Williams has DJ Moore, Roma Dunzee cole
kmet Colton Lovelan Swift the running back. Massive upgrades interior line,
and today they have picks number seven and number nine,
so you're gonna get two more potential guys who can start.
So this is called putting a quarterback in a position
to succeed. That's what this is called. Head coach, O
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line weapons upgrade. Caleb Williams already got a hold of
Colston Lovelin and they're already communicating. And in my lifetime.
I've said before, they've always been a little bit like
the Steelers. They lean defense, they smell defense, they feel defense.
Chicago has as good a young group of offensive players
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top to bottom as you're gonna find in this league,
with very few exceptions. Maybe Philly's better. You know, there's
a there's a some more to good rosters in this league.
But again, and we need Caleb Williams here. We need
Caleb to be good in September because if you're a
franchise quarterback in the NFC, you're gonna have to go
through Jaden Daniels in Washington and Jayden Daniels last year
with a shaky o line and one weapon had a
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one oh seven passer rating in September. So I have
said this multiple times. With Ben Johnson, Cole Comet, now Loveland,
Dj Moore capable running backs, they'll add another in this draft.
He needs to be good in September because that's when
the good weather is, that's when you console the ball
down the field. So Caleb's got to have a good camp.
Caleb's got to have a good preseason. It is fair
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to say, Caleb, you got to be good in September.
I'm not wait until Thanksgiving. And again, it's just like
kids like you. You don't have to coddle your kids,
but you can set them up for success. You know,
give them a healthy lunch, get them a computer, if
they need a tutor. You're not babying them. You're setting
them up for success. This is perfect. I mean, this
is that you. You got to coach, You got the
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interior on line to protect your feet. You got a
number one receiver. Two very different and very good tight
I mean cole Comet and Loveland are two different stylistic
tight ends. So you know there's there's a difference between
hand holding and a headstart. But I love what Chicago did.
Here is here is Ben Johnson on the phone call
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to get a really unique tight end talent. Now come on, now.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We took it a hot great man.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
I'm telling you I appreciate smart.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I mean, well, yeah, I know exactly what we're getting.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, what an exciting time for them. I thought that
go defense, But when Loveland's there, you know it is
It is interesting. I've said this. What always drives me
nuts is when players get more valuable when they stopped
playing Jackson Dart, he got better when he stopped playing
this guy at Michigan, a team that led. Let's be honest,
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Michigan was about running the football defense, O line. Go
look at this kid's numbers, his production in college. So
I have no problem with him moving up in the draft.
McVeigh liked him, Hardball liked him, Show Peyton liked him.
A lot of the smart offensive coaches that I know
in this league. I was told they all liked him.
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Speaker 1 (19:37):
All right, Michael IRV and haven't had him on in
a while, the playmakers, I miss you, I was missing Okay,
let's get Let's start in a positive note. So I
am a believer that football practice is hard baseball, hitting
the balls for batting, cage basketball practice a good time.
Football practice stinks. You need guys who love the game.
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I watched Tyler Booker. I'm like, I want that guy
on my team. I don't watch interior lineman much. To me,
it's like starter day one. Now they got their guards.
DA's coming off a second surgery. Keep those feet and
knees clean. What did you think of it? You know?
Speaker 4 (20:19):
And I spoke all week Colin, and I took my
strategic approach to this. I knew the last three those
three years we went twelve and five. We have a
thirty twenty eight twenty seven points, so about twenty eight
twenty eight points a game, and last year we dropped
the twenty.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I wanted gent R McMillan.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
So I did try to put those seven eight points
back on the board strengthen one unit because we had
too many places that we need to field with players.
I didn't get my playmakers, but I'm with you, buddy,
I got a great player because I always talked this
game is like you talked about, it's not just about skill,
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it's also about will. And I'll give up a little
skill if I know this guy got the right will,
in the right excitement and one of those guys that
no matter what, when I come to work, he's gonna
make me feel like working. He has the right attitude.
You need those guys on your team. You cannot go
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anywhere without them. And the way he handled that drive
charts when he yelled and big three hundred pounds come running.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
You know how hard you get The fact joke was
the run and he was running for free.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
He wouldn't even getting paid for that run.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Come on, man, let's stop playing. I love that attitude. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I loved this from Bill Parcells years ago when he
left Alice. He went to Miami as the GM and
he took a one win team to an eleven, and
he went and stole a few of the cowboys, not
their stars. He went and got weight room guys, passionate guys,
And there's just value in guys that love going to work.
You can build your now you need stars, but you
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win a lot of games on passion culture, weight room,
locker room. Okay, Now I am surprised because I like
him more than Jackson, dart shadeor Sanders. The Steelers in
his sights and they go defensive linemen.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
And the pain of that moment was we knew that
for years, for years, not just this year.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
It's been since.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Ben Roethlisberger stepped off the football field. They've been looking
and never have given Mike Tumblin his quarterback. Here, I
thought was the perfect situation and a perfect opportunity to
get that taken care of, and you went and drafted
another alignment. That was surprising because I can't in my
own mind rationalized after the organizations had cheated Mike Tumblin
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of a quarterback, even if my I couldn't imagine if
Mike Tumblin was on the table saying I get him,
I got my quarterback right here. He's right here for us,
and they went by him. So so that was the
hard take right there. Act one, which is Beyond's number
to be passed for for for them to pass your door.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Why do you think people pass?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
That blows my mind. I don't care what anybody says,
and I don't care. You can't find anybody that sitting
in this chair that tells you that they've seen a
kid have that kind of success on the football field.
I've seen them through every play on the football field,
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and we were going through this. There's no way this
is an arm strength thing. There's no way this is
what he doesn't run?
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Like?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
What about the stories that came out this week where
there's a lot of ego. What about that stuff?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
You need ego.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
You need egos, especially for where some of these teams
are and for where they've been. Some of these teams
have been in a hellhole for a long long time.
What do you think you gonna get the greatest, little, kindest,
nicest guys to complete.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
You out of that hellhole? You need people with egos,
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
It's always the organizations that haven't won anything and forever
talking about guys with egos. You need different people to
come change your culture. Stop talking about that guy has
an ego. Maybe the ego is big enough to get
you out of this hull hell hole, Go drive him.
That's what you need. So I don't give substance to
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that kind of SERI.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
The Cowboys team had ego.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
You need it.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
You're walking on the field to get some of the
greatest athletes in the world. If you don't believe in you,
how the hell can you think anyone else will believe
in you? So you need that that that's not that's that,
that's nothing, and that stuff that people that don't play
on the football field, those are the stuff that people
that wear the suits, say, people that wear the uniforms
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on the football field, they know how important ego is.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
That's the stuff. They're stupid.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So I think it'll be fine. I would rather plan
them at receiver than corner. Travis Hunter. No, because I
I think it's more of an offensive league. I'd rather
have twelve targets than chasing guys over the field who
are decoys. I want them in the game.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
I am.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I do think Jacksonville's got a new coach, new coordinator,
new GM. You got that toggle between Are you in
the meetings? Tell me about the meeting thing with Travis Hunter?
Is it gonna be a problem.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I laugh when people say this to me. You know,
will can Travis play both shives? I said, are you joking?
I was there, I saw it. I saw Dion Sander's
get off of HeLa Copter. Wasn't in any practice or
any meeting off for Helma.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Copter And shut jokers down. You see what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Put him in the offensive meetings, make sure he gets
his timing with the quarterback, and then tell him we'll
see you in defensive practice. He knows what cover one is,
that's man covered. He knows what Cover two is. That's
two safeties back and we uppressing. He knows what Cover
three is, that's the old cover with one high safety.
You know that stuff from birth.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You know, let's pray keep to leeve. Once told me this.
I asked him about the Patriots. I said, oh god,
how long Bill Belichick? Very sophisticated. He says, yeah. By
the end of the second practice, I knew what it was, right.
I knew where I had to be.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Right right, especially like him, because I gotta stop that guy,
all right, I gotta stop that guy. That's why he's
coming in. This dude here is going to be I
have to stop that guy. You're gonna put him on
your best guy, even after he ran twenty plays on offense.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
So you, Jodsonville was brilliant last night. I don't care
what anybody said.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Swings gave up a lot, and.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
You didn't know. I don't think they gave up a lot.
They got two first rounders. So you're saying they gave
up two first rounds Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Now, not only did Cleveland get a first round pick
next year, Cleveland's got the first pick this morning or
right right now.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
And that's why And right there again, do you think
they'll take it ended with pain? And I don't want
just want to start with pain.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
And I'm talking about his day yesterday after he realized
he didn't get drafted. Now you come back Cleveland passes again.
Then then then I'm like, oh my god, that would
throw that would throw me for such a loop. If
if you can pick up a chador in the second round.
We I know people are saying that's because I love
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Beonn and I do, and he's my boy, and he is,
but we never seen anybody have this kind of success
in college, that kind of success and and and watch
this at the quarterback position, and we know how important
it is.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
So yeah, this was He.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Was the most accurate quarterback in college ever with allows.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Him beat the hell up on the office Low.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I like, we both like him. I would pick him
in the first I would have piken him. I would
have taken it VI with Pittsburgh. I would have they
didn't need more defensive talent. Okay, right, so you talked
me into cam mord I Again, I don't start the fires.
I just I'm a journalist, right, So I had I
had I suggested I didn't know if cam Ward could lead.
(28:01):
My friends, these were internet rumors. I just laid him
out there, but I do everybody I talked to you
said at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
A great leader.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He's a I mean a kid, no star recruit, right.
That is actually totally impressive to me.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And it's the story you want going around in your
locker room. Man, This dude works his way up. You know,
most quarterbacks, you guys, they're trying to get everything in
the NFL locker room.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
You like.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
You like when you hear that a kid worked this
way up, you know, And it means he's willing to
put into work that I'm willing to follow him. And
this kid is willing to put in the work.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I talked to coach Crystal Ball yesterday about him. He said, Michael,
the one thing I love about him. All he cares
about is winning. And he knows how the rally guys
at quarterback in this league and in Tennessee. That's going that,
that's going to be, that's going to work great. It
minds me a lot of steaming there and he is
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steaming there. And that city had a great union and
I think this would be a great union.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Know.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So, Yeah, and we have to be honest about this.
Is that Tennessee quarterback play last year was bad and
twenty one touchdowns and twenty two picks or maybe vice versa.
So he Jay Mack and I both believe they will
be a playoff team. That he's the only guy in
the draft that can change outcomes. Now other guys will
be good. He could change four losses to four wins,
right it put.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
With the right situation, and this is no thing too.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I likeking it because we did the comps to Patrick
Mahomes and I was like, Okay, I love that the
way the way this dude never gives up on a
play gives you opportunities, gives a receiver opportunity after the
first play, second, playing third, you know, giving him more
times within the play, never gives up on the play,
and that I think that that's going.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
To be great. Sometimes I used to get mad at him.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I thought he had a route on the shorter route,
he would go back in and take a deeper playoff
and throw the ball, throw the ball, but he would
always come out on top. I'm telling you, Tennessee, you
got one of the great ones.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So when you watch the draft and you know it's
it's interesting about character. So Booker Tyler Booker, team captain,
great character. Many say, well, he got drafted ten to
twelve spots ahead of where we thought. And my take
is in an average draft, character matters more and Mecca
(30:21):
at book Ohio State, he was a mid second round pick.
When the season was over, he gets drafted nineteenth again
a plus character. Could I argue that when it's not
a great draft, you were in this league forever. Character
becomes more important. And the Cowboys part of the kid
they drafted was All American team captain. Unbelievable. Do you
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think that stuff matters more when the players aren't as great?
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Well, I think that.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I think it matters that you have that kind of
understanding about how important it is that you show up
and be a certain way every day. Time I talk
to anything or anybody, I always talk about if you're
a leader, you gotta first lead yourself to be able
to lead anybody else. That's why that person, that kind
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of infectious personality matters. Showing up, being where you're supposed
to be, putting in the work, letting people see you
put in the work. That stuff matters big time, especially
at this level. So you're right, you're right, and any truth.
Every year we hear people that are dropping because we
talk on the same character. You know, I don't like them.
(31:32):
I don't like this football. It's the meritocracy. It is
always love. If you can beat somebody on the football field,
you got a position. But the real rest, the rest
of life, the rest of life, people are making decisions
on who they like and who they don't like. And
when we get in these draft rooms, we're dealing with
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a lot of people, not football. We're dealing with the
rest of life people, people that are making decisions on
who they like and who they don't like. Is not
just about football. So you're right. Character really matters.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Where do you want to see Dallas go with their
next pick? So they went and got interior line. They
could use it back, they could use a tight end,
or do you want to see them go? Where would
you like them to go?
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Right, My philosophy has been build one unit to be dominant.
If we're not going if we have all of these
spots that we need to field, we're not going to
be able to fill them all. Let's build one unit
and be dominant and win this way and that's the
offensive unit. And the help we got with Tyler Booker,
(32:41):
that's the right area we needed help there.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
That's the right spot. Let's stay on the offensive side. Okay,
you see what I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Saying that that's what the Bears are doing with Caleb right.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Let's stay on the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Let's try to get this to a twenty pointeen every game,
and we can fill in on defense and we can
put it together on defense. Now here's the caveat to that.
We have to get Michael Parsons signed. Since we are
filling in on defense. Now that we got DeMarcus Lawns
out in the locker room, we need Michael Parson in
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the locker room in training camp, not holding out, to
try to get what other guys he got on defense
together as one so they can try to play good defense.
When we give him thirty points, they just got to
hold people in the thirty in the offense. Give you
a thirty and we can be right back in to
think of it.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
The Hall of Famer, the playmaker, Michael Urban, It's always
a pleasure to see him, my man.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Always great to sit in this chair and just kick
it with you. My brother
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, it's the Friday after Round one NFL Draft am
main primary topic today Round one of the NFL drafts.
All sorts of surprises. Jmacair Urban Meyer stopped by this dollar,
Michael Urban and studio Shador Sanders did not get drafted.
It is boot. You know, it's so much to talk
(00:50):
about miss draft. You know, I just watched because certain
things happen, and I'm texting with friends, you know in
the league all night and with people all night, wrised. Everybody,
Well they all got back. It's other final time. Like
all my buddies who are working in this league in
the executive tweaked, all excited. They're all fired up, bopen
optimism maybe yeah. And by the way, I tend to
(01:12):
think the guys that I connect with are really smart,
and they all did really well. Oh everybody did great.
Everybody ate the first round. But I want to start
with this. You know, it's hard for me to have
sympathy for some of these losing franchises. There's a reason
the same team's draft at the top every year, and
then I always feel like the Jets are up there,
the Jaguars are up there. So think about Jacksonville. And
(01:35):
I never talked Jacksonville, so this will be brief. They
trade up in the draft. They have a first time
head coach, a first time GM, a first time offensive coordinator,
a first time defensive coordinator. They've had one little brief
three day camp. You don't even know you were personnel
good enough yet to make a massive trade. Not to
mention Travis Hunter is unbelievably talented, but you got to
(01:56):
deal with that offense defensive pivot thing. Like jackson you
don't know your personnel well enough yet to make a
massive trade. You got first time GM coach coordinators, how
about you going through a camp or two huge swing
over compensate and Cleveland, Cleveland, which needs a future quarterback.
(02:19):
I mean, can you just say arch Manning. They now
have two potential top ten picks in next year's draft,
which is a significantly better draft than this one. So
Cleveland's like, yeah, we'll take picks for next year. This
is a bad draft. I mean, this was not a
very good draft, so I mean to me Cleveland and Cleveland,
(02:42):
by the way, also now has two of the four
first picks in Round two. So Cleveland ends up getting
a first round pick, and then they get potentially today
Travian Henderson running back Will Johnson, and they already got
Mason Graham and they'll have Jacksonville's first round pick. Cleveland
(03:03):
set themselves up beautifully. And listen, I like Andrew Berry.
I have I've said this. The ownership drives me nuts.
I love the coach and I love the GM. I'm
a Stefanski fan through and through, and I like Andrew Berry.
I love those guys. They've had to overcome some nonsense upstairs,
but I love those guys. Cleveland ace the test. They
got a first round pick and a better draft. They
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got Mason Graham, They're gonna end up getting potentially two more.
There's some really nice players in the top seven picks
in this draft. And oh, by the way, they're not
the only ones, Atlanta, The hell are you doing? Atlanta
gave the Rams again a first round pick as they
(03:47):
look to draft Matt Stafford's replacement. The Rams that told
me six months ago they weren't going to draft the
quarterback in the first round. This was not the quarterback
first round draft. So the Rams got a second round
pick a first round pick. Next year in the draft
they'll have to draft a quarterback a much better quarterback draft.
And Atlanta, who already drafted a net rusher, gave up
(04:10):
a first round pick for another red rusher who, by
the way, was off at least eight to ten teams
boards because of character issues. What are you doing? You
don't late in round one in a week draft give
up a first round pick for a much better draft
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for a position you drafted earlier, on a player that
was off many teams boards.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Lord.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And conversely, again, save your empathy for the people who
deserve it, you know, I mean like burn victims and orphans,
I mean savior imp I don't feel sorry for some
of these teams who did well. Shocking the Harbaughs. Jim
Harbaugh gets Najee Harris and now he's got Hampton the
(05:03):
running back. Jim Harbaugh's got his classic Stanford Michigan. He's
got his backfield. He's ready to go. Two power runners
with Joe Alton Slater. Now they're going to go get
a tight ends and wide receivers. By the way, who
also did well Baltimore, John Harbon, the Ravens. Once again,
they go to the SEC. They get the best safety
in the draft. He's a Georgia guy. All those Georgia
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first round guys work. So it's like as much of
stuff changes too much, it stays the same. I'll give
Cleveland a ton of credit, but I like their people anyway. Again,
I think Barry and Stefanski are really smart guys. I
know people that know him. I don't know him. I
know people that know him, people really respect him. But
I mean, this is not a good draft, and everybody
knows it. This is not a great draft. You're drafting
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late like Atlanta. You're giving up a first round pick
and a better draft. Now the Rams will not have
a great first round pick next year because they're good,
but Atlanta could be average so they could get a
top They just got into the top two potentially of
next year's draft in a much better draft, in a draft.
They need a quarterback Cleveland, same thing. It's just crazy
(06:09):
to me. And you know, yesterday Diana Russini came on
the show and it was funny. Remember when she came
on the show. Diana Russini said that she was told
Jacksonville was gonna do something exciting. How about just doing
something smart? If you got first time coach GM coordinators,
what are you doing taking massive swings on a player
(06:31):
that it's gonna be kind of hard to massage because
he should be a receiver, but he wants to be
a corner and that's gonna be a little tricky.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Ech.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, let's get to the shede Ry Sanders thing. So
you know, let me tell you something. It's never a
bad message to tell your kids. Be humble. Humility works
in the summer, it works in the fall. Humility works
in the spring. Humility works in the winter. Gash your
(07:00):
kids up too much. It didn't really bother me when
they retired Shador Sanders number. But he has a five
hundred quarterback who couldn't get drafted in the first round.
It's a little much. Everything is something. Nothing is everything.
Shadoor Sanders didn't get drafted. There's multiple reports. Eh O
(07:24):
cocky what ebbs? But I'm watching his draft room and
the word legendary is all over the draft room. I'm like,
can we just can we just pull the temperature down
a little? It's not the end of the world. If
he had Caleb Williams talent, nobody would I guess care
about it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
The whole thing is like, Bro, you wore New York
Giant cleats. Remember when he wore the New York Giant cleats?
Like like, like, can we just humility is not? I
know in society everybody loves the TikTok watch thing. You
know who doesn't apparently love it? NFL executives, you're drafting employees.
(08:01):
That's all these teams are doing. They're drafting employees. Did
you notice the two players in the first round that
moved up about ten spots? What a shock to a
plus plus plus character guys, the receiver from Ohio State.
We talked about this all week, A plus plus plus character, humble, hardworking.
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Everybody that I have as a source loved that kid.
Not just a player, they loved that kid. Shocking. He
went from middle of the second round to middle of
the first over the last month. And a half. What
a shock, great player, but checks all the boxes.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
The other kid that moved up about half around was
Tyler Booker, the guard the Dallas Cowboys got team captain.
Unbelievable passion. How do you not love that kid? I mean,
how do you know what that kid a team? I'm
never gonna criticize any player who cares that much about
(09:06):
being drafted. I want to buy that guy's jersey. I
wish he wasn't a guard, it would be I mean,
but who are the guys that moved up in the
draft team captains? I mean, there was Joel Klatz talking
about a story yesterday about Buka. He could have gotne
too the NFL last year. He would have been a
fourth round pick, but he could have gone. But he
(09:27):
wanted to stay. He wanted to be part of the
great Ohio state receiver lineage. He wanted to help the
new kid from Alabama, Jeremiah Smith, the great receiver they
have like like work his way into the Buckeyes. Like
that stuff matters. You are drafting employees. Can we just
go back in society where hard work matters and humility's
not uncool? I know you're gonna race to TikTok, and
(09:49):
you got all your stuff on TikTok. It's not the
end of the world. I don't really care. If you
have great talent, I'm drafting you. But like something has
happened in America, where can we just have it's humili
be the worst thing. You gotta put legendary everywhere. How
about you play a game one? Just give me one
game and then you can put legendary all over your house.
(10:10):
I don't care. It's just and I listen, I'm not
rooting against the kid. I like Sandor Sanders. I think
he's good. I like him more than Jackson Dart. I
may be in the minority. I'll get to the giants pick.
I mean I like him. I would have drafted him
I needed a quarterback. I think he's bigger than people think.
I think he's got good mechanics. I think he's super accurate,
(10:32):
you know, I mean, I think he's pretty good. I
think accuracy really matters. But as I watched the thing,
look who got drafted higher than you thought, and look
at some of the guys who fall, and I do
think there is something to be said. This nil thing
is gonna be tricky because guys come in now and
they can throw their own parties and buy their own stuff.
And that's fine. I don't resent any of that stuff.
(10:54):
I'm not anti anybody. But listen, the Pittsburgh Steelers are
desperate for a quarterback. When they moved, they said not interested.
I mean, and Mike Tomlins about as player friendly as
anybody in the league. So it's just let me just
say this again. Everything with a quarterback is something. Nothing's everything.
But don't listen to the young media that's always pro
(11:15):
player everything with quarterbacks on all the texts I get
for my entire career. Everything with quarterbacks, you are judged differently.
It's all something. May not be everything, it's something. And
so I think Shooter is going to go very early today.
Jackson Dart I'll get to that in a second, but
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it's wildly fun. My lead today though, was these teams
that draft at the top every year. I cannot believe
Jacksonville took that swing with all first time people in
the building. I don't. I mean, I had a soup.
I had a NFL executor that sent me a laugh
(11:58):
emoji after that pick and texted me and said he
is not on at least five boards I know of.
And again, James Pierce could not being a good player.
He's a very good player. But you give it up
a first round pick and a better draft. What are
we doing here?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I actually like what Atlanta did get in two pass rushers,
shopping in the SEC where they have the best pass rushers.
But Kin, let me make a quick point about this
Travis Hunter trade.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
So you know how.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Sometimes we as guys like to signal to women like, Hey,
I've got a Porsche or I've got a big, big truck.
I'm signaling to you what kind of guy I am?
I think Jacksonville was signaling to everybody else. Hey, we're
gonna be cool. We're gonna go get Travis Hunter. Everybody
loves this generational right player. We're not the International Jack Jaguars,
the team that's got to play in London every year.
(12:48):
We're cool, We're relevant. I don't care that we're giving
up a twenty twenty six first, but we are. We're
a cool team now that we've got Travis Hunters. I
think I don't love that strategy.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
No, no, I'm not hating on the player. Travis Hunter
is a good player, but you are a franchise that
coach GM coordinators. You don't even know your personnel that well.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Is he going to be Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Well.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I think he's going to be an excellent NFL player
and I am rooting for him and I can't wait
to watch him. But I mean, everybody want to, Hey,
we're gonna make the draft exciting. Just make it smart.
The team's drafting at the top. They need players. They
don't need fun and exciting. They need more players. I mean,
you look at Philadelphia's roster, Detroit roster, Baltimore's roster, the
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Rams roster, I mean the Rams, by the way, why
do they move back? Well, they wanted Colston Lovely, they
wanted the tight end for the Raiders Bowers last year.
McVay is looking to upgrade at tight end. I wouldn't
be surprised if the Rams first pick today is a
tight end or a corner bling green. Yeah, I mean
they want a tight end. They want to, so they
thought about it. But but they moved down. Why because
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they want? They did the teams at the bottom of
the draft to have very few needs. What does Philadelphia
need what is Kansasity, Buffalo, Baltimore need Baltimore already has
an All Pro safety. They were like, let's go get
another one. So it's just it's I just, I'm gonna
save in life empathy for those that deserve it and
(14:20):
some of you teams that keep doing dumb stuff. I don't,
I don't. I don't feel bad.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I thought Pittsburgh was going to be in consideration for
a lead for you today drafting a defensive play.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
No, you know what, I'll defend Pittsburgh, l I just
I will. I want to talk about what the Bears did.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
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Speaker 1 (14:44):
Just because you've been a losing franchise doesn't mean you
don't have smart people in the building. Cleveland's a losing franchise,
but I think Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski pulled off
a little bit of a heist with Jacksonville. Listen to Chicago,
maybe losing franchise. I loved their pick. So you don't
have to coddle your kids or coddle a quarterback, but
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you can set them up for success. They went out
upgraded their O line. If you're paying attention in Chicago,
Dolman the center from Atlanta, Top eight center, Joe Tooney,
top two or three interior lineman Jonah Jackson starter. So
they've upgraded their offensive line. They like their right tackle,
(15:29):
and now they hire an offensive coach and they go
get Colston Loveland from Michigan, who the Rams liked, the
Chargers liked, uh Denver liked, like the smart offensive guys
in this league. All sniffed moving up to get this guy,
but the price was too steep. All the people I
trust the offensive they all love this Michigan kid. And
(15:51):
so now Kaylub Williams has DJ Moore, Roma Dunzee cole
kmet Colton Lovelan Swift the running back. Massive upgrades interior line,
and today they have picks number seven and number nine,
so you're gonna get two more potential guys who can start.
So this is called putting a quarterback in a position
to succeed. That's what this is called. Head coach, O
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line weapons upgrade. Caleb Williams already got a hold of
Colston Lovelin and they're already communicating. And in my lifetime.
I've said before, they've always been a little bit like
the Steelers. They lean defense, they smell defense, they feel defense.
Chicago has as good a young group of offensive players
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top to bottom as you're gonna find in this league,
with very few exceptions. Maybe Philly's better. You know, there's
a there's a some more to good rosters in this league.
But again, and we need Caleb Williams here. We need
Caleb to be good in September because if you're a
franchise quarterback in the NFC, you're gonna have to go
through Jaden Daniels in Washington and Jayden Daniels last year
with a shaky o line and one weapon had a
(16:57):
one oh seven passer rating in September. So I have
said this multiple times. With Ben Johnson, Cole Comet, now Loveland,
Dj Moore capable running backs, they'll add another in this draft.
He needs to be good in September because that's when
the good weather is, that's when you console the ball
down the field. So Caleb's got to have a good camp.
Caleb's got to have a good preseason. It is fair
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to say, Caleb, you got to be good in September.
I'm not wait until Thanksgiving. And again, it's just like
kids like you. You don't have to coddle your kids,
but you can set them up for success. You know,
give them a healthy lunch, get them a computer, if
they need a tutor. You're not babying them. You're setting
them up for success. This is perfect. I mean, this
is that you. You got to coach, You got the
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interior on line to protect your feet. You got a
number one receiver. Two very different and very good tight
I mean cole Comet and Loveland are two different stylistic
tight ends. So you know there's there's a difference between
hand holding and a headstart. But I love what Chicago did.
Here is here is Ben Johnson on the phone call
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to get a really unique tight end talent. Now come on, now.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We took it a hot great man.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
I'm telling you I appreciate smart.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I mean, well, yeah, I know exactly what we're getting.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, what an exciting time for them. I thought that
go defense, But when Loveland's there, you know it is
It is interesting. I've said this. What always drives me
nuts is when players get more valuable when they stopped
playing Jackson Dart, he got better when he stopped playing
this guy at Michigan, a team that led. Let's be honest,
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Michigan was about running the football defense, O line. Go
look at this kid's numbers, his production in college. So
I have no problem with him moving up in the draft.
McVeigh liked him, Hardball liked him, Show Peyton liked him.
A lot of the smart offensive coaches that I know
in this league. I was told they all liked him.
(19:09):
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Speaker 1 (19:37):
All right, Michael IRV and haven't had him on in
a while, the playmakers, I miss you, I was missing Okay,
let's get Let's start in a positive note. So I
am a believer that football practice is hard baseball, hitting
the balls for batting, cage basketball practice a good time.
Football practice stinks. You need guys who love the game.
(20:02):
I watched Tyler Booker. I'm like, I want that guy
on my team. I don't watch interior lineman much. To me,
it's like starter day one. Now they got their guards.
DA's coming off a second surgery. Keep those feet and
knees clean. What did you think of it? You know?
Speaker 4 (20:19):
And I spoke all week Colin, and I took my
strategic approach to this. I knew the last three those
three years we went twelve and five. We have a
thirty twenty eight twenty seven points, so about twenty eight
twenty eight points a game, and last year we dropped
the twenty.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I wanted gent R McMillan.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
So I did try to put those seven eight points
back on the board strengthen one unit because we had
too many places that we need to field with players.
I didn't get my playmakers, but I'm with you, buddy,
I got a great player because I always talked this
game is like you talked about, it's not just about skill,
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it's also about will. And I'll give up a little
skill if I know this guy got the right will,
in the right excitement and one of those guys that
no matter what, when I come to work, he's gonna
make me feel like working. He has the right attitude.
You need those guys on your team. You cannot go
(21:18):
anywhere without them. And the way he handled that drive
charts when he yelled and big three hundred pounds come running.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
You know how hard you get The fact joke was
the run and he was running for free.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
He wouldn't even getting paid for that run.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Come on, man, let's stop playing. I love that attitude. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I loved this from Bill Parcells years ago when he
left Alice. He went to Miami as the GM and
he took a one win team to an eleven, and
he went and stole a few of the cowboys, not
their stars. He went and got weight room guys, passionate guys,
And there's just value in guys that love going to work.
You can build your now you need stars, but you
(21:57):
win a lot of games on passion culture, weight room,
locker room. Okay, Now I am surprised because I like
him more than Jackson, dart shadeor Sanders. The Steelers in
his sights and they go defensive linemen.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
And the pain of that moment was we knew that
for years, for years, not just this year.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
It's been since.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Ben Roethlisberger stepped off the football field. They've been looking
and never have given Mike Tumblin his quarterback. Here, I
thought was the perfect situation and a perfect opportunity to
get that taken care of, and you went and drafted
another alignment. That was surprising because I can't in my
own mind rationalized after the organizations had cheated Mike Tumblin
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of a quarterback, even if my I couldn't imagine if
Mike Tumblin was on the table saying I get him,
I got my quarterback right here. He's right here for us,
and they went by him. So so that was the
hard take right there. Act one, which is Beyond's number
to be passed for for for them to pass your door.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Why do you think people pass?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
That blows my mind. I don't care what anybody says,
and I don't care. You can't find anybody that sitting
in this chair that tells you that they've seen a
kid have that kind of success on the football field.
I've seen them through every play on the football field,
(23:27):
and we were going through this. There's no way this
is an arm strength thing. There's no way this is
what he doesn't run?
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Like?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
What about the stories that came out this week where
there's a lot of ego. What about that stuff?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
You need ego.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
You need egos, especially for where some of these teams
are and for where they've been. Some of these teams
have been in a hellhole for a long long time.
What do you think you gonna get the greatest, little, kindest,
nicest guys to complete.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
You out of that hellhole? You need people with egos,
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
It's always the organizations that haven't won anything and forever
talking about guys with egos. You need different people to
come change your culture. Stop talking about that guy has
an ego. Maybe the ego is big enough to get
you out of this hull hell hole, Go drive him.
That's what you need. So I don't give substance to
(24:23):
that kind of SERI.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
The Cowboys team had ego.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
You need it.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
You're walking on the field to get some of the
greatest athletes in the world. If you don't believe in you,
how the hell can you think anyone else will believe
in you? So you need that that that's not that's that,
that's nothing, and that stuff that people that don't play
on the football field, those are the stuff that people
that wear the suits, say, people that wear the uniforms
(24:48):
on the football field, they know how important ego is.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
That's the stuff. They're stupid.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So I think it'll be fine. I would rather plan
them at receiver than corner. Travis Hunter. No, because I
I think it's more of an offensive league. I'd rather
have twelve targets than chasing guys over the field who
are decoys. I want them in the game.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
I am.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I do think Jacksonville's got a new coach, new coordinator,
new GM. You got that toggle between Are you in
the meetings? Tell me about the meeting thing with Travis Hunter?
Is it gonna be a problem.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I laugh when people say this to me. You know,
will can Travis play both shives? I said, are you joking?
I was there, I saw it. I saw Dion Sander's
get off of HeLa Copter. Wasn't in any practice or
any meeting off for Helma.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Copter And shut jokers down. You see what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Put him in the offensive meetings, make sure he gets
his timing with the quarterback, and then tell him we'll
see you in defensive practice. He knows what cover one is,
that's man covered. He knows what Cover two is. That's
two safeties back and we uppressing. He knows what Cover
three is, that's the old cover with one high safety.
You know that stuff from birth.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You know, let's pray keep to leeve. Once told me this.
I asked him about the Patriots. I said, oh god,
how long Bill Belichick? Very sophisticated. He says, yeah. By
the end of the second practice, I knew what it was, right.
I knew where I had to be.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Right right, especially like him, because I gotta stop that guy,
all right, I gotta stop that guy. That's why he's
coming in. This dude here is going to be I
have to stop that guy. You're gonna put him on
your best guy, even after he ran twenty plays on offense.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
So you, Jodsonville was brilliant last night. I don't care
what anybody said.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Swings gave up a lot, and.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
You didn't know. I don't think they gave up a lot.
They got two first rounders. So you're saying they gave
up two first rounds Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Now, not only did Cleveland get a first round pick
next year, Cleveland's got the first pick this morning or
right right now.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
And that's why And right there again, do you think
they'll take it ended with pain? And I don't want
just want to start with pain.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
And I'm talking about his day yesterday after he realized
he didn't get drafted. Now you come back Cleveland passes again.
Then then then I'm like, oh my god, that would
throw that would throw me for such a loop. If
if you can pick up a chador in the second round.
We I know people are saying that's because I love
(27:18):
Beonn and I do, and he's my boy, and he is,
but we never seen anybody have this kind of success
in college, that kind of success and and and watch
this at the quarterback position, and we know how important
it is.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
So yeah, this was He.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Was the most accurate quarterback in college ever with allows.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Him beat the hell up on the office Low.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I like, we both like him. I would pick him
in the first I would have piken him. I would
have taken it VI with Pittsburgh. I would have they
didn't need more defensive talent. Okay, right, so you talked
me into cam mord I Again, I don't start the fires.
I just I'm a journalist, right, So I had I
had I suggested I didn't know if cam Ward could lead.
(28:01):
My friends, these were internet rumors. I just laid him
out there, but I do everybody I talked to you
said at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
A great leader.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He's a I mean a kid, no star recruit, right.
That is actually totally impressive to me.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And it's the story you want going around in your
locker room. Man, This dude works his way up. You know,
most quarterbacks, you guys, they're trying to get everything in
the NFL locker room.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
You like.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
You like when you hear that a kid worked this
way up, you know, And it means he's willing to
put into work that I'm willing to follow him. And
this kid is willing to put in the work.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I talked to coach Crystal Ball yesterday about him. He said, Michael,
the one thing I love about him. All he cares
about is winning. And he knows how the rally guys
at quarterback in this league and in Tennessee. That's going that,
that's going to be, that's going to work great. It
minds me a lot of steaming there and he is
(28:57):
steaming there. And that city had a great union and
I think this would be a great union.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Know.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So, Yeah, and we have to be honest about this.
Is that Tennessee quarterback play last year was bad and
twenty one touchdowns and twenty two picks or maybe vice versa.
So he Jay Mack and I both believe they will
be a playoff team. That he's the only guy in
the draft that can change outcomes. Now other guys will
be good. He could change four losses to four wins,
right it put.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
With the right situation, and this is no thing too.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I likeking it because we did the comps to Patrick
Mahomes and I was like, Okay, I love that the
way the way this dude never gives up on a
play gives you opportunities, gives a receiver opportunity after the
first play, second, playing third, you know, giving him more
times within the play, never gives up on the play,
and that I think that that's going.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
To be great. Sometimes I used to get mad at him.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I thought he had a route on the shorter route,
he would go back in and take a deeper playoff
and throw the ball, throw the ball, but he would
always come out on top. I'm telling you, Tennessee, you
got one of the great ones.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So when you watch the draft and you know it's
it's interesting about character. So Booker Tyler Booker, team captain,
great character. Many say, well, he got drafted ten to
twelve spots ahead of where we thought. And my take
is in an average draft, character matters more and Mecca
(30:21):
at book Ohio State, he was a mid second round pick.
When the season was over, he gets drafted nineteenth again
a plus character. Could I argue that when it's not
a great draft, you were in this league forever. Character
becomes more important. And the Cowboys part of the kid
they drafted was All American team captain. Unbelievable. Do you
(30:45):
think that stuff matters more when the players aren't as great?
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Well, I think that.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I think it matters that you have that kind of
understanding about how important it is that you show up
and be a certain way every day. Time I talk
to anything or anybody, I always talk about if you're
a leader, you gotta first lead yourself to be able
to lead anybody else. That's why that person, that kind
(31:11):
of infectious personality matters. Showing up, being where you're supposed
to be, putting in the work, letting people see you
put in the work. That stuff matters big time, especially
at this level. So you're right, you're right, and any truth.
Every year we hear people that are dropping because we
talk on the same character. You know, I don't like them.
(31:32):
I don't like this football. It's the meritocracy. It is
always love. If you can beat somebody on the football field,
you got a position. But the real rest, the rest
of life, the rest of life, people are making decisions
on who they like and who they don't like. And
when we get in these draft rooms, we're dealing with
(31:53):
a lot of people, not football. We're dealing with the
rest of life people, people that are making decisions on
who they like and who they don't like. Is not
just about football. So you're right. Character really matters.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Where do you want to see Dallas go with their
next pick? So they went and got interior line. They
could use it back, they could use a tight end,
or do you want to see them go? Where would
you like them to go?
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Right, My philosophy has been build one unit to be dominant.
If we're not going if we have all of these
spots that we need to field, we're not going to
be able to fill them all. Let's build one unit
and be dominant and win this way and that's the
offensive unit. And the help we got with Tyler Booker,
(32:41):
that's the right area we needed help there.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
That's the right spot. Let's stay on the offensive side. Okay,
you see what I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Saying that that's what the Bears are doing with Caleb right.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Let's stay on the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Let's try to get this to a twenty pointeen every game,
and we can fill in on defense and we can
put it together on defense. Now here's the caveat to that.
We have to get Michael Parsons signed. Since we are
filling in on defense. Now that we got DeMarcus Lawns
out in the locker room, we need Michael Parson in
(33:13):
the locker room in training camp, not holding out, to
try to get what other guys he got on defense
together as one so they can try to play good defense.
When we give him thirty points, they just got to
hold people in the thirty in the offense. Give you
a thirty and we can be right back in to
think of it.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
The Hall of Famer, the playmaker, Michael Urban, It's always
a pleasure to see him, my man.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Always great to sit in this chair and just kick
it with you. My brother
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