April 19, 2025 • 54 mins
Where Colin was right and wrong
Colin can't believe Time Magazine's list of 100 Most Influential People did not include Caitlin Clark and argues she might be one of the most influential athletes since Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan
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He talks to Greg Cosell from NFL Films about the top quarterback prospects in the upcoming NFL draft and how Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders will translate to the pro game
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It is a Monday live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,
Thanks for making out the part of your day so interesting.
I was in Chicago over the weekend. You know, they're
all fired up about the Bears, Jordan Shul's joining us,
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and a lot of people are asking about Aaron Rodgers,
who will be in our right and wrong? And I
think Aaron is being very smart and calculated. He's gonna
wait for the draft and figure out where the dominoes fall.
He's not gonna do a Kirk Cousins sign with a
team and then the team drafts or back.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's like, what's the point.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So I think I actually think Aaron Rodgers, and I
told everybody it might take his the Steelers, his fool's gold.
He knows that defensive culture, and so it's it's and
here we are waiting for Aaron Rodgers, which again it's
his last team, So I don't blame him. If it's
your last job, your last contract, take your time, say
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no to a bunch of people. All right, we do
it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong, And here.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
We go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
The joker Nikola Jokic after Kareem, second best center. I've
ever seen his numbers this year, third player ever to
average a triple double. Totally authentic. He didn't work the stats.
He just had his best season ever thirty twelve and ten.
He kept the franchise afloat. I don't know if they
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have another title. But the truth is because optics and
artistic impression matters in the NBA, that he's not wildly
popular because his game sometimes is a little clunky and awkward.
But takeout Kareem. That's the best center in league history.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I thought the Warriors would find themselves with the number
two or number three seed, but Jimmy Butler just didn't
provide enough offense and cominga doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
They lost three of their last five.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
They got eaten alive yesterday in overtime by James Harden
and the Clippers, And I gotta say I was wrong
on this. I thought they'd end up because of their experience,
Butler getting the team to the free throw line, in
their added toughness. But in the end, they've got limitations,
and they don't know what the hell to do with
Kaminga because he doesn't play well with Draymond or Butler
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where they're on the floor.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So why I was wrong on the Warriors where Colin
was right.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The Suns missed the playoffs, Katie makes another poor decision
and Mike Budenholzer gets fired. I appreciated the swing, but
let's be completely frank about this. Kevin Durantz won two
playoff series in five years since he left the Warriors,
and he is just too remarkable an NBA player for
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that to be true. I hated the move away from
Golden State. Everybody said he just wants to ball, but
he's now just become a really talented bounce around the
league guy, which is beneath him.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The Clippers are in the playoffs. I didn't love the
Kawhi extension. He's been on fire. I didn't like letting
Paul George go. His season was a mess. James Harden
I was done with Boy was he good?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yesterday?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
He played great down the stretch, and this team suddenly
on fire. Kawhi Leonard is playing. He's great. He's a
get a bucket guy and yesterday Warriors couldn't stop him.
Clippers are now in the playoffs. So I didn't like
all their moves. They've got a lot of older guys,
and sometimes older guys just don't treat their regular season
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in the NBA with a great deal of urgency. But
they got a great coach and played with some of
it down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And here we are where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I always said, Ja Morant is going to be Derick Rose,
a small guy that can't shoot that will force him
to score at the rim, and he's going to get
banged up and have injuries. Add in immaturity. He's in
trouble with the league again for some hand grid aide
you know, a move which didn't bother me much, but
it is what it is, and Ja Morant has sort
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of become what we predicted. Fun to watch but I'm
not going to build my franchise around him as a
number one and injuried if you're under six three a
John Wall, Russell Westbrook, a Jamarana, Derrick Rose, and you're
not a great perimeter shooter, well you've got to score
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at the rim? What does that mean? Collisions? What does
that mean? Injuries?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
So it always works where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I think Shador Sanders in a bad quarterraft is good
enough to go two or three. But the odds out
of Vegas, say the Saints with a number nine pick
and the Steelers with a number twenty one pick, that's
where he's going. So now I would agree that he
doesn't have a lot of special he didn't have a
big arm, he's not super mobile. But I do think
there's value in the fact that he's accurate composed. His
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dad was a pro athlete and he did not have
a good old line or a run game at Colorado,
so he has had to initiate offense. And let's be honest,
when you look at how bad the O line was,
the fact that he completed seventy four percent of his
throws and he actually played really well in games against
really good teams with much better players. So I think
he's a little bit better than the NFL people think.
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But he's moving down according to the odds makers. Where
Colin was right, I told you Aaron Rodgers doesn't buy Pittsburgh.
It's fools, gold defensive coach, two needy receivers, bad o line, lost,
Nagee Harris, and here we are. Aaron Rodgers is just
waiting it out. I think it's the right move. I
believe he wants to go to San Francisco if the
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pretty contract doesn't work, or Minnesota. I think he's right
to want that. I think Aaron's too smart to make
an impulsive, dumb decision. And I don't buy Pittsburgh for
Aaron Rodgers. I think at his core he's an NFC
North or a West Coast guy. He's got a beautiful
place in Malibu, trains in Thousand Oaks. I don't think
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he should sign with Pittsburgh. I never thought he would
sign with Pittsburgh, or at least didn't feel that way
with great conviction.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And I think he's making the right moves. Where Colin
was raw, I thought the.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Dodgers roster, especially the batting order, maybe the greatest since
the seventy five Cincinnati Reds. They're hitting two twenty five.
They're third in their division. They lost sixteen nothing to
the Cubs Saturday. They lost their third straight series. They're
not hitting at all.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
This is a little bit on brand for the Dodgers,
who tend to pick up steam mid season and beyond.
And they did just win the World Series and there
is no real urgency in one hundred and sixty two
game schedule. But they're struggling in the bullpen, and they
are struggling at the plate, hitting only two twenty five,
which is eighteenth. Maybe they need more torpedo bats. Whatever
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it is, the Dodgers aren't playing or hitting particularly well.
Colin Wright Colin Wrong on a Monday.
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Speaker 1 (07:33):
It is great to have you in so at the
end of yesterday's show, Jordan Schultz filled in for Jmax.
This week in one of the Herdline stories, had that
Time Magazine's list of the one hundred most influential people
in America. They did not have Caitlin Clark on the list,
but they had two other WNBA players, and they had
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a bunch of other athletes. I love Jalen Hurts. I
don't think he's one of the one hundred most influential people.
I love him, and it just struck me. I had
so many people reach out to me on this yesterday.
So I just want you to think of words matter influential.
Influential is the word Time Magazine used influential. She played
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one year of pro basketball in a small market for
the worst team in the league, and she literally changed
the entire financial makeup of the league. That defines influential.
The WNBA had its most watched season in twenty four years,
its highest attendance in twenty two years, and set records
for digital consumption and merchandise sales last year.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That is all Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Six WNBA teams have already preemptively for their games. With
Caitlin Clark moved to bigger venues. Time Magazine used the
word influential. I didn't they used that word, well, Colin,
I heard this call it. They gave her Athlete of
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the Year in America in December, and so there was
no reason to put her on the April list. All right,
so Time Magazine is telling me she went from the
Athlete of the Year in America in December and by
April she's less influential than Breonna Stewart.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna buy that argument.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You think Hollywood in the nineties said, listen, Tom Hanks,
everything he's in is great, He's won back to back Oscars,
but let you know, let's let's share the spotlight. Nope,
movie studios were fighting over Tom Hanks. Everybody wanted Tom
Hanks because Hollywood. Hollywood's gotten into trouble in the last
ten years when they've tried to make independent movies where
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women fall in love with fish and now nobody goes
to a theater except for Tom Cruise and Christopher Nolan,
big Avenger movies, right, like the big directors, the big stars.
Play the hits. I've been doing this for thirty three years.
I've had a pretty good career TV and radio podcasting.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Play the hits.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You think Fox upstairs in baseball coverage goes you know,
we've done a lot of Aaron Judge, Otani, Juan Soto.
Anybody checked out the Mariners schedule lately, can we squeeze
them in? That's never been a discussion ever here. The
NFL this year literally has a new rule. You no
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longer have to put every team on television at least
once because they realized Carolina is not well run.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's a Carolina problem.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Why should I force network CBS, Fox, ABC to put
on bad products? So this idea, and I'll say this,
there have been a lot of great individual female athletes globally,
but in terms of North America and team sports, men
have dominated. And because n have dominated this for so long,
they get it. UFC just put John Jones and Connor
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McGregor on every big card. It's not about sharing. We'll
pay them a fortune. The rest of the guys, eh,
we'll pay what we want to Major Leig Baseball, Fox coverage,
Moro Tani and Aaron Judge the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes the Philadelphia Eagles. You ever notice
that they put on television big brands all the time.
The minute the Pittsburgh Steelers are uninteresting, boom gone off,
Let's put on the Detroit Lions play the hits. But
the WNBA last year blessed their Hearts finally got a
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star and they didn't know that. They couldn't figure it out. Well,
we don't want to put too much, too much, Caitlyn
Clark Cott. Nope, every game, every list, every game, every moment,
every contest, every All Star game, every single day, all
Caitlan Clark, Well, it will offend Who cares? You didn't
make any money in twenty four years. You're subsidized by
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the NBA. Who gives a rep. Who are you offending
players that don't make revenue? You're subsidized by the NBA.
More Caitlin Clark all the time, always hurting feelings is
the reality ESPN and baseball. Right now, they've hurt each
other's feelings. They'll get over it. If you don't make money,
you're not a league. You can't subsidize people forever in sports.
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So Caitlin Clark changed the financial structure of the league.
She's not wasn't my word. It was Time Magazine's word.
They used influential, and now she's not influential. So here's
a rule for anybody considering starting a league. And I
do think the WNBA got so mocked and criticized they
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finally figured it out. In sports. Don't get caught up
in sharing the spotlight because occasionally an athlete will be
the spotlight. Don't play nice, play the hits. Caitlin Clark
is easily the most influential athlete in a team sport
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since Michael Jordan. Patrick Mahomes is great. The league was
doing fine, Tom Brady retired, The league's doing fine far,
Peyton Manning left fine.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
They're great.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I mean, you could argue Steph Curry is influential because
of the way he changed the way basketball is played.
Maybe that's the second most influential person. But I mean,
the only athlete in my lifetime I can think of
that compares to Caitlin Clark. And it's not a team sport.
It's golf as Tiger Woods. I mean, Tiger Woods literally
got people to a television on Sunday for a decade.
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It was Sopranos after Tiger Woods round. I mean, he
changed American viewing habits. So just think about this. Six
WNBA teams have already preemptibly move the Caitlin Clark games
to bigger venues. Time Magazine you use the word I
didn't you invalidated your list. You made it inauthentic because
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you were trying to play nice. Don't play nice, play
the hits.
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So here we go.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Let's do our top fifteen mock draft. This is who
I would draft if I was a GM. Number one
is Tennessee. You gotta get cam Warden. It's an easy one.
Last year the Titans quarterbacks combined for twenty two touchdowns
and twenty one picks. It's a winnable division. He fits
Brian Callahan's offense. They've got one go to receiver. I
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think he'll win games. I think he'll make him a
playoff team. Easiest pick on the board cam Ward Number two, Cleveland.
I think they go and get Travis Hunter, the best
overall athlete in the draft, and he'll play both sides.
Their receiving chorus, Jerry Judy, and a whole lot of math.
They also have quarterbacks all filled out. They got Flacco,
they're paying to Shaun Watson, they got Kenny Pickett. They've
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said the signal they're not getting a quarterback. So I
think this is the only player in the draft that
can affect both sides of the ball, and in a
division with the Ravens, you need to catch up. I
think it's the pick number three may surprise you. I
do now think the Giants are gonna take Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Here's why.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I think Jamis Winston and Tommy DeVito they'll cut him
in camp. I think they're gonna go Russell for a year.
Even Russell's contracts not that punitive. It's all based on
how many games he plays and how well he plays.
I've changed my mind. I think they're gonna go get him.
I think he's a star. It's a star town. I
think it's a big market. Brian Dabole has proven a
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history of you can give him kind of average stuff
and he'll correct it. I don't think there's a lot
to correct. They've seen him personal workout recently. I think
they're going to go get Shador. I think the Patriots
are going to get Abdull Carter the edge. Last year,
the Patriots had the fewest sacks in the league. There'll
be plenty of running backs, tight ends, and wide receivers
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later in the draft. They it's Mike Frable They're gonna
I mean, go look at what they did in free agency.
A lot of big uglies, a lot of size and movement.
Carter's a great athlete. They don't need to rush Drake
May's development. They can get him help later in the draft.
It's a good tight end and running back draft. You
can get that second, third, fourth, fifth round. They get
Abdul Carter. Jaguars get Mason Graham. Jags defensive lines already talented.
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I think Graham's really underrated. People say his.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Ceiling is low.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
All I know is when I watched him, he pushed
everybody around the field. They had the second worst total
defense in the league last year. They've already got Trey
Von Walker and Josh Heinz Allen. Add Mason Graham and
don't worry about the d line for the next five years.
The Wolverine, big kid from Anaheim Aria in California.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I think he goes number five.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I think the Raiders go get Ashton gent the running
back from Ohio State. Is he worthy of this pick.
He's the best running back in this class. Geno Smith
is very good on play action. Pete Carroll's career, he
was great when he had Reggie Bush and Lendale White
in college and Marshawn Lynch in Seattle. They had the
worst rushing attack in the league last year. Their offensive
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line is set. They've got an elite weapon in Brock Bauers.
I think you give Gino help Ashton Jenny playmaker at six.
The Jets get Tyler Warren at number seven the tight end.
This kid can do everything. They even split him out wide.
He's a playmaker again, takes the pressure off Garrett Wilson,
who gets double teamed. Now Devonte Adams has gone super
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versatile player and they just haven't had any tight end
production over the last couple of years. They have six
tight end six touchdowns at the tight end position. I
watched the USC game. This kid had seventeen catches. He
is about as viable and has the kind of dexterity.
He's a little bit running back, a little tight end.
You could throw the football if you wanted. I think
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the Jets finally go get a big time tight end.
Panthers get t Mac wide receiver Arizona. I like him,
he's a little bit of a glider. But they got
to get Bryce Young help. This is an organization. This
is the year for Bryce Young, who played pretty well
last year. Panthers at eight. Take him. The wide receiver
group in Carolina does not have a true number one. Again,
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I know two gms that are cool on him, and
I know one that loves him, and it's a GM
I respect. So Bryce Young needs more help. This kid's
a true number one. Go get him at eight. Number
nine Saints, Will Johnson. They moved off Marcus Lattimore, sending
him to the Commander, so they need a number one.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I think he's great.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
He was hurt at Michigan. I think he's a great court.
I think he starts for everybody in the NFL. At Denver,
he starts. He's just not as good as Patrick's Ertan.
I think Will Johnson is an exceptional player. They had
the twenty seventh ranked pass defense in the league.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
They've got to replace lad More.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I know you're talking about quarterback, but I don't even
know what to make of that Derek Carr story. And
I think Shador is going to be off the board
and it's too high to draft Jackson Dart Will Johnson
nine to the Saints. Number ten Bears, Go get Edge
Jaylon Walker. Listen Montese sweat from the inside. Let him
last year in sacks they could have drafted in the
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number one spot and edge last year.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He's a Georgia bulldog who.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Rushes the passer, great physical specimen. I think you go
get them. They keep upgrading in the trenches. The Bears
upgraded their old line this year in free agency. I
think they upgrade their d line at the top of
the draft. I like Walker to the Bears at ten,
number eleven, nine ers, I would go Calvin Banks. Trent
Williams is aging at left tackle. He's thirty seven years old,
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and let's be honest, if you're going to spend money
on brock Perty, then you better protect him. Their old
line is the weakness of that football team, and he's
the best player available.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I like him better than Will Campbell.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I watched a lot of Texas football. He was really
good in the big games them all people, so I
like him. Number twelve Cowboys Amarion Hampton, running back North Carolina.
I think he's a poor man's Adrian Peterson. Big strong,
just just a hard dude to bring down. I mean,
look at him wrong, look at the legs, look at
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the burst and let's let's face it. The Cowboys running
back room is atrocious. Twenty seventh in the NFL. They've
already invested draft capital in the O line. They've already
paid Ceedee, Lamb and Dak. They need star power and
there's not a good enough wide receiver to draft in
this spot. I think this kid is electric starter day one,
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and again, Dak's better on play action than sitting back
in the pocket throwing forty times a game. Number thirteen Dolphins,
I'd go Will Campbell LSU. I think he's pretty good,
not as good as Kelvin Banks. Again, you're investing in Tua.
Tua has that injury concern. Go get an offensive lineman.
You also lost a very good time in Tron Armstead.
So let's just do this. Go get it. I know
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it's not sexy, you're moving on. You tried sexy with
Jalen Ramsey and Tyreek Hill. How's that working out for you?
Just go to the trenches and get a good left tackle.
Number fourteen the Colts. This will be the steel of
the draft. Armand Memboo from Missouri who tore it up
offensive lineman. Outside of Quenton Nelson. None of the offensive
lineman and Indy played seventeen games. People talk about needing
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a tight end. Lovelin's not good enough to draft in
this spot. I think this will end up being the
steel of the draft, Will Johnson and armand Membu. I
mean physical specimen and listen. I think your receivers are
good enough. You have Jonathan Taylor and Anthony Richardson. You
should probably run more than you do pass. Anyway, he's
a maler. I take him at that spot. He's about
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as good as player. Last year the Colts Chris Ballard
waited and got the best pass rusher at like fifteenth.
I think this will be the best player at fourteen
available and he'll start Day one and at fifteenth Atlanta
Shamar Stewart edge rusher, Texas A and M. They don't
get to the quarterback second few of sacks in the NFL.
Do you want to beat Baker Mayfield, You got to
rush Baker Mayfield. Put pressure on Baker and so I
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think it makes sense. They have used their number first
round pick on offense for four straight draft picks, so
it's time to pay attention to defense. This If I
was general manager for these teams, I'm not saying this
is what they're gonna do. This is what I could do.
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I think the Shadoor Sanders. I looked at New York
over and over and over again, and I have come
to the conclusion where the best athletes off the board.
They've already got a very good defensive line. That's not
an area of need, and I think they'll keep Ross
for a year. Jamis, Tommy DeVito, you can move off
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those guys in camp. And I do think there's something
to be said about Sanders. Deon Sanderson in New York,
it feels big, it feels fun. I mean, the Jets
don't have the future quarterback, do they. I mean, do
they really have the future quarterback? So the Giants not
want to have the future quarterback. I mean, let's be
honest about New York. It's a competitive market.
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All right.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Draft Week starts officially on Monday. Greg Cosal is going
to join us in about ninety seconds to two minutes live.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Jay Matt comes back next week. Jordan Schultz filling in
this week has been great, so it's been a fun
week for us. I got a little bit of pushback
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on my Jackson Dart opinions, which I have said. I
think he's a better version, same high school, same basic size,
same basic offense, struggled against better college competition too often.
For me, he's Zach Wilson, but a little bicker. Got
a lot of pushback on that. I think he's a
little bit of a nervous thrower in big games when
you rush him.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I don't love his decision making.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Also, I think Shaduor Sanders, who is one of the
most accurate college quarterbacks I can remember seeing playing behind
an atrocious offensive line with no run game, I think
he's undervalued. I don't get him falling to twenty one.
I think there's a gap between Shoud. For me, there's
a gap between Shador and Jackson Dart. In my trust,
if I was a general manager, on what I have
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seen in college through forty or fifty starts, I trust
Shadoor Sanders to run an offense, be composed, be accurate.
Jackson Dart accuracy worries me. Tempo worries me in some
big games when he was hurried. There's a little bit
of a Zach Wilson thing that worries me. But I've
gotten a lot of pushback, especially on Jackson Dart. With that,
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we bring in Greg Cosel forty five years NFL film
out this week. By the way, the Tape Notebook, a
comprehensive draft guide, are the best in the business. Greg
co sell It's called the Tape Notebook.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Everybody is basically said, and I think mostly right. There's
some quarterback talent. It's not a star draft. Let's take
Cam Ward so he was a no star recruit. I
watched him at Washington State because I'm from Washington State,
but not a lot of people did. He goes to Miami,
he pops. Does he look like a bona fide franchise
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changer on tape?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
I think he does. Colin, you know it's funny. I've
finished watching him. I finish all the quarterbacks before the
combine because I always get asked about them at the combine.
So I finished all those quarterbacks and my opinion doesn't
change because it's based on tape, and I saw Ward
as a true legit, high end prospect who's worthy of
a top pick in a draft. He's clearly the most
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physically gifted quarterback in this draft class. And you know,
I just think that the traits the high trades level.
And I know some people at Washington State who told
me that he's a great kid, that he's got a
dog mentality. So I don't think there's any concern there
at all with cam Ward. I spoke to an NFL
coach and I felt the same way, who said that
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if he was in last year's draft, he would have
been in the conversation with the top three. And I
personally believe that based on tape study.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Okay, so I've said I think Tennessee's going to be
a playoff team with him. That's one of my upset picks.
I think he's a starter. Now I like shit or
more than others, because I can't get past this. When
I watched him, and I probably watched him like everybody
else a dozen times, I thought he was kind of
uniquely accurate, moving left, moving right, holds the ball too long.
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Some of that, though, may just be get more refined.
So it does worry me. They say he's not a
great athlete, but he feels like he moves well enough.
To me, he had to with that old line. I
think he's a B prospect, not an a what's the
tape say to you?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
I think at his core he's not a statue by
any means. It's just like CJ. Stroud has turned out
not to be a statue. But at his core, he's
a pocket quarterback and I think he's gotten over the
top delivery. He's an easy natural throw of the football. Yep,
he is accurate. He did throw about one hundred and
fifty screen passes this year, so I think the seventy
percent whatever it was, completion percentage that is irrelevant in
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conversations about him, just because of the high number of
screens he threw.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I like Schador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
I think there's two things that he clearly has to
work on. One is he has a tendency to retreat
backwards when he feels pressure, and that cannot happen in
the NFL. And the other thing, and this can be
cleaned up, is he tends when he perceivees pressure to
hold the ball with one hand with his right hand,
and you know that's disaster in the NFL. But I
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think he's an easy natural throw of the football. He's
pretty rhythmic. That's his game. There are plenty of examples
on tape where he's stood in the pocket in the
face of pressure and delivered the football, and I think
that's real positive he's going to have to do as
a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
You're going to have to do that.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
You're going to have to work in squeezed pockets and
stand and deliver. And I think he showed that. It's
always easy to talk about offensive line. We saw this
with Caleb Williams. The one other thing that's concerning is
quarterbacks that get sacked a lot in college for whatever
the reason. Colin gets sacked a lot in the NFL.
We saw that with Caleb Williams this past year.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Okay, we'll pribably start disagreeing here. Jackson Dart worries me.
When I first watched them in college, I thought of
Zach Wilson. I didn't know they went to the same
high school, Power High School in Utah, right, you know,
they've kind of the RPO thing, very successful. Didn't always
think Jackson Dart saw the field particularly well. That was
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my knock on Zach Wilson. Also my knock on Justin Field.
Some guys just don't see it as quickly. They have
slower eyes or whatever they call it. I don't see
him as a first round quarterback. Tell me I'm wrong.
What do you see?
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I don't think you're necessarily wrong. I kept going back
and forth on Jackson Dart. I watched him last summer
from his twenty twenty three tape. I think I watched
ten or eleven games this year because I just couldn't
get a great feel on what I think he'll be
in the league, because that's what we're talking about. We're
not talking about college football. We're talking about the projection
and transition. I think I ultimately came down on the
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fact that he could be a quality starter depending on
any number of variables and variances, which is usually the
case with most quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
You know the system he ran.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
At Ole miss It was a really good system. He
was very efficient and proficient at it. They did run
a lot of NFL route concepts, contrary to what people
might believe.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
One thing that always bothers me.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
I kind of learned this from Phil Simms years ago,
and it always bothers me with quarterbacks. Once Phil told
me and it resonated, is he works hard Colin to
throw the ball, and guys that work hard to throw
the ball. I always think when there's going to be
pressure and you have to kind of sit on your
back foot and drive the ball with some velocity, I
always wonder how that's going to play out, Like, for instance,
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cam Ward has zero problem with that whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
So you know, I just kept going back and forth
on Dart.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
I'm not quite as low on him as you are,
but I'm just not certain about what he is.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
In the league.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
I think it's going to be a function of team coach,
the offense that he's asked to run.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
So many factors that we just don't know right now.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, So it's funny because I keep hearing this about
this Louisville quarterback Tyler Shuck Yep, Okay, been hurt a lot,
bounced around a lot. He's twenty seven. The truth is,
when I was in college, you go to your college
dorm and there's always that one old guy in the
college dorm and he runs the floor. I forget the
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name of it, but he runs the floor, and he's
got a beard, and he drinks better beer. He drinks
better beer than all of us. We're drinking, you know,
like keep Milwaukee's best, and I think to myself, it
reminds me of this guy.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Like, listen, he's twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
He should be more physically developed, he should be smarter,
he's got more reps. But it's like he's older than
Trevor Lawrence. I'm always so reluctant on like really old
college quarterback who crushes in his final year of college.
What do you make of Louisville's quarterback?
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Well, I can only tell you what I saw in film,
and by the way, in talking to people around the league,
the age doesn't bother them as much as the injury history.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
So just keep that in mind.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
But I thought that after cam Ward, just purely on tape,
that he had the next best tape of any quarterback
in this year's draft. I mean, he's a big kid.
He's almost six' five and by the, way that's a.
Trait he's almost six.' five he throws the ball really,
really well he's got. MOVEMENT ability I like tyler shuck.
A lot i don't know where he's going to. GET
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drafted i doubt he's a top, five pick but, YOU
know i think the tape, was really really STRONG and
i really liked his game. A lot and, You know
i've heard people who do this kind, of thing, you
know that, interview him talk, to him say that he is,
really mature which of course he, should be as, you
said but that he's ready to go. Right now he's
one of those guys that's really impressive. In person but
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the tape, was very. Very.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Impressive, Colin OKAY.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So i said This About, aston genty it's a really
good running. Back DRAFT but i remember Years ago i'll.
Tell stories so it was a draft That Had, patrick
willis The old. Miss LINEBACKER and i don't know if
YOU and i were doing our thing, back THEN but
i remember watching the. PRE YouTube i saw a couple
pieces of VIDEO as i was waiting for the draft
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where he literally ran DOWN an sec running BACK and,
I said, i'm like that's the best player in this
draft or THE the sec at. THAT time, i said
that piece of tape doesn't. Look normal that's that's. A
pro i saw a piece of Tape Like jamar chase as.
A sophomore, i'm like that guy would start for everybody IN.
The Nfl, ashton genty Even, against oregon is bouncing OFF the.
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Nfl players OREGON'S got, Nfl Dudes, penn state he's just
it seems. Like nobody maybe it's because he's five seven and,
a half. FIVE eight i watch his Tape and, I'M
like i know he Went To. VOISE state i know.
He's small nobody can get a clean shot. ON him
i think we're looking at a, star here.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Aren't, we well that's the magic, to him the, contact
balance the ability to, absorb hits continue to move without
losing any momentum. Or speed that's kind of his. Magical
licksir that's what makes him, a really really.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Good back, you.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Know it's interesting that he didn't Run because i'm not
sure that he's straight lined fast the way we think.
Of IT but i don't think that MATTERS for nfl
running backs for the. Most part, BUT no i think
he'll be a really. Good back, you know it's interesting
in talking. To people there are, some people and you
might disagree with, this totally but there are some people
in the league who Think that Amari and hampton is
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A better nfl prospect than GENTY and i guess will.
Find out but there's no question the, contact balance the
low center. Of gravity he's only five eight and a
quarter five eight and. A half so he's very low to,
the ground he's very tough to get a clean, hit
on and he's got that ability just to sort of
it's not power.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Per se it's not like he runs. Over people he pinballs.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Off people he absorbs it and continues and that's a
very rare trait and he's, got THAT and i mean
he'll be a. Good pro, you, know again it's always hard.
To know, you know running backs are. Hard Call and
i'll tell.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
You why who would, have thought.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
What three four years Ago That kyen williams coming Out
Of notre dame would BE an nfl feature back and
have three hundred and sixteen carries, last year, you know
and not even play the final game of. The season
so it's very difficult with a lot of, these backs
so much is dependent on team.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And Scheme So, TRAVIS hunter i Do think otani and
baseball is something that we're all shocked. To SEE but
i do think, going forward we're going to see A Few.
Travis hunters we're going to see kids now athletically that
can play both sides of.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
The ball his motor. Is weird he can play eighty.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Eight snaps and on the eighty, eight snap he looks
like he's it's his third snap of. THE game i
would prefer getting him the ball then defending. The ball
when you, watch tape is he a better receiver?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
OR corner.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
I would probably say at this point, in time he's
probably a. Better RECEIVER but i think, that corners, you
know you can always find. Quality receivers really good corners
are tougher. To FIND and i think in terms of more, Of,
preparation colin do you THINK and i, you know do
you think you can be a part? Time corner, you
know think of it. This way imagine if you're you're, you.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Know he's not going to be On, the eagles but
just think of it.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
This Way Imagine nick siriani Walking Into vic fanjo On,
a wednesday, you know as they're preparing for a game, and,
saying Hey, coach vic you Know today travis is going
to be with, the offense not.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
With, You well vic's going to, tell, him well then
you know what.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
He's not he's not Playing on sunday because you know
what we're putting in fifteen. New things and if he's
not here for the practice and the meetings and all,
the things that we're going. To do, YOU know i
don't care how gifted, he is but you, know what
if he makes, a mistake we're giving up a sixty.
Yard touchdown so, to me it's not whether he's physically
capable of.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Doing it he may be.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
That freakish guy, that is because what he did in
college is, absolutely. Remarkable RIDICULOUS but i think it's more
about the preparation during. The week i'm not sure you
can be a part time outside corner IN the nfl.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
AND start i don't mean being a nickel or any.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
OF that i mean playing, you know seventy snaps at
outside corner because there's. TOO much i think that goes
into the preparation with that in conjunction with the with
the rest of, your defense whereas you can be a
part time receiver in terms of playing fifteen or twenty
snaps in. Given Packages so i'm not sure that's going to.
Work OUT but, i mean he's obviously a uniquely.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Gifted, athlete OKAY so i know this is not a
first round player or maybe a second, round player BUT and, i,
know oh his deep ball. Is ERRATIC but, i SAID
when I watch, kyle McCord anything intermediate or under he.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Lets it.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Repy's accurate he can squeeze a ball into. Tight spots
he's played With a powerhouse and then he's Played. With
syracuse he's. Wildly, productive yeah he's a pure he's a.
Pocket GUY but, i say is he's a, pocket guy.
No question so he's not going to be a first
and probably a second. Round PICK but, i said if
if McVeigh went and got him and he Sat behind
stafford for, TWO years i Look at kyle McCord and,
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I'M like, i know he's. Not, sexy athletically that looks
like a starting quarterback. To me if you told me
there was a guy that got drafted in the fourth
that in two years started and.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
WAS effective i. Like him but he's just a.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Pocket guy so does that limit him in? Your, evaluation
well let me ask.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
You this everything you, just SAID and i just thought
of this, right Now and i'm sure people are going
To say, I'm crazy but everything you, just said how
would that be Different From?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Shader? Sanders?
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah shitit or maybe he throws a better.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Deep, ball YEAH well i agree.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
With that, you know McCord's an interesting guy because one
of the things that really struck ME when i, watched
HIM and i think he throws a. Good ball he
does have a TENDENCY and i don't know if this
can be. Cleaned up it just might be the way.
He throws he does have a tendency certain times to
lift his back foot off the ground before, he throws
and that impacts your velocity and your accuracy.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
At TIMES but i like.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
The player, you know he's one of those GUYS and
i don't normally think, like this but just for YOU
and i talking like if ten is the highest, to
me is like a seven.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
In everything, You know he's just he's a.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Solid player it's possible that he could be a starting quarterback.
FOR sure i mean because now you get into team and.
Scheme again, you know if he's got a, run GAME
and i know people are going, to, say well everybody,
needs this but YOU and i both know that there
are certain quarterbacks in the league that can, overcome deficiencies
whether it's within, their offense if they don't have a,
great defense they can overcome deficiencies because they can just
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make those wonderful. Individual plays McCord is, you know do
you look at McCord and Think If kirk cousins in
his Prime.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
In minnesota do you? See, THAT.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah i mean a. LITTLE bit I remember Kirk At.
MICHIGAN state I think i WILL say i think he's
a more aggressive Thrower. Than kirk he'd throw. More picks
he's got A Little philip. Rivers attitude he lets it. Rip,
Sometimes YEAH and i don't think it's the best decision in,
the World whereas kirk is.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Pretty.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
Safe YEAH although i mean if you told a team
that drafted McCord, and, said well we think You're Like
kirk Cousins and cousins for what four or five six
years in, a row through thirty five touchdowns and ten picks,
every year and, you, said well, you know if he could,
DO that i bet teams would say that's.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Pretty good we'll. Take, that, YEAH okay i want to
do this you've. BEEN doing i have so much respect.
For you i've always said there's certain POSITIONS that i
can look at, and, go oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
That works.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Like corner there's not many, good ones right if you're one, of, four,
three five like the Kid at texas. The corner he's
not fast enough to be a, dominant corner but he's
a really good player and he'll he'll make it in.
The League, will johnson by, the way is not a,
burner either but if you play, Enough Zone will Johnson
from michigan is going to be a VERY good. Nfl
corner but he's not. A burner he's not going to
guard your. Speed guy that's not what. He is but
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he's A, typical, harbaugh tough. Smart player SO but i
ALWAYS think i can watch corner, and, go yeah that
works IN. THE nfl i also think a lot, of times,
you know quarterbacks obviously. Very hard people keep telling me
this is not a great offensive. TACKLE draft i want
to TALK and i want to. Ask YOU so I
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Watch kelvin banks in big Games and, i'm, like yeah
that's a. Starting tackle is there a position IN the,
NFL college nfl that you have struggled with and you.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Just have to watch it IN?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
The nfl LIKE when I Watch, Kelvin banks, I'M like
i think he's is he Close To? Joe alt but everybody's, telling,
me now there's no. Great tackles how do you look
at tackle because it's a three hundred and thirty pound
man that needs Good feet and is that a there
a position that you've struggled with for you and, YOU'RE
like i just gotta watch it and, Pros, first.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
Well there's POSITIONS where i FEEL like i have to
watch a lot of games because. They're hard and those
two positions are corner and safety because you can go
through games and depending on how the game, plays out.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
They may not do.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
A lot so you have to sit and watch games
and games, and GAMES and i try to space OUT
how i do corners and safeties because if you watch
five or six in, A, ROW colin, i mean let's,
face it almost every corner, you watch unless he's terrible
or unless he's, ridiculously special after, a while they all
look kind of. The same, they all, oh yeah their
hips are, pretty good they transition. Pretty good, you know
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they start to look. The SAME so i space. It
out but to get to, OFFENSIVE tackle i think the
litmus test for offensive tackles IN.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
The nfl so you have to.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Think about this when you're watching guys in college is
can you pass protect one on one on? Third down
because there's not one single offensive coordinator in this league
that wants to keep a tight end or a backend on.
Third down they want to send five out and be
as detailed and subtle with their route concepts as they can.
Possibly be so the litmus test for offensive tackles IN
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the nfl is can they pass protect on?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Third down on third?
Speaker 6 (43:11):
And long and if you don't feel they can, do
that then THEY'RE not nfl quality.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Offensive, tackles well, you know let's end with This Because
bruce arian Said About. Jalen milrow, he SAID when i
look at a, college quarterback how is he in the
two minute drill and on? Third down and, HE goes
i Don't See jalen millrow being a guy that on
a big third down when everybody in the ballpark knows,
you're throwing or a two minute drill when everybody in
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the football stadium knows. You're throwing, HE goes i just
don't see that guy. Doing THAT and i Listened To
bruce arians and he's a little mechanical. For me, Great
kid but do you look at quarterbacks the same WAY
as i always say IN the nfl the difference between
the haves and have nots is third and Eight And
vic fangio knows. You're throwing, the, topic, well yeah It's.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
The yeah the DIFFER the nfl with quarterbacks are the must,
have downs, third downs, red zone, you know two minute end,
of game the must. Have SITUATIONS but i will, say
this and this is where the game, has changed and
just not speaking Totally, about milroe but the, fact is
how many quarterbacks now beat you on third down with.
Their legs it changes, the game particularly in the. RED zone,
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i mean Look At. JALEN hurts i mean the game
has changed to the point where it's third. And eight
you have to defend differently now because the quarterback. Can run,
You know bruce arians and he certainly knows MORE than. I,
do god the guy was doing it for years and years,
and years. You know but the bottom line is it's
not just now about dropping back and sitting in. The
pocket some guys it is that's The Way shadar sanders.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Is going to have to.
Speaker 6 (44:43):
Beat You But, jalen milroe who's obviously not the refined
Passer that, sanders is at this moment, in time when
it's third, and eight the defense has to play differently
because he can take off and run for.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Twenty, yards okay out this week the, tape notebook as
we look At some aalen milroll a comprehensive, draft guide
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Speaker 2 (45:05):
My friend it's.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Good talking colin really, enjoyed it thanks.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
So, much, yeah, so yeah it's it's kind of fascinating
when you the quarterback position is obviously very hard because.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
You know it's a.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Leadership position, YOU know i was talking yesterday to a
general manager and we were talking About the Jets And
aaron glenn and it's similar. To quarterbacks, he said coaches. Are,
CEOs now sean MCVAY'S.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
The ceo.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
He, goes now sometimes you get lucky and You Get,
andy reid WHO'S a ceo and a. Schematic genius belichick was,
that Defensively a shanahan is that. He goes but you're HIRING.
A ceo that's what your. Coach is you've got coordinators to,
call plays YOU'RE. The ceo belichick would have the headset
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on not, calling plays not EVEN. Doing dv he's doing, situational, Coaching,
right okay big, third down here's what we're. Gonna do
he's coaching to win. THE game a lot, of times coordinators,
physician coaches, you know they're, padding, Resumes right and so
when WE were i was talking, about him, he said
it's just, in college. It's different you can be Calling Plays,
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lane kiffen, you're recruiting you're dominating personnel IN.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
The nfl YOU'RE.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
A Ceo aaron glenn was not a VERY good Ceo With.
Aaron rodgers he tried to, go rogue he tried to.
Go alfay, he's like that's not what A good. Ceo
does so, this person, this, executive said that's just bad
Ceoing By, aaron glenn and that's what a pro. Coach,
is yeah occasionally you get McVeagh who also is good.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
With schematics most of.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Them aren't and it's the same, with quarterback is that
it would be great if everybody's great from. The pocket
And Though lamar jackson's always been better from the pocket that,
anybody acknowledges the truth Is what greg said. Is true
you have To defend. Lamar differently you. Just can't by,
the way good luck playing man de Man Against lamar
jackson because once a defensive back, turns boom he's off.
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And running so a Guy like jalen mill is gonna
see more Zone than Shadu or sanders's not gonna take off.
And run so you can play man to man. Very
hard to play man to Man With anthony richardson or
Or A jalen millrow or a quarterback that likes. To
run so They're. Bo nicks by, the way last Year
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bon knicks ran. A ton he's not running against. The
zones bonnix is running against. Man corners turn. Their, Back
boom he's off.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
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Speaker 1 (47:36):
YOU like I think houston's Gonna Upset. Golden State golden
state's Got a jonathan. Kaminga ISSUE it's i think it's
gonna be wide. Open outside, You Know oklahoma city's Not,
playing boston they get. The buys other, than THAT it's,
I mean i Don't think detroit's Gonna Beat, new YORK
but i think they're gonna make the nick sweat. For
it so who are the ten best players in the
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playoffs to keep your. Eye On number one's an, Easy One.
Nikola jokicic but listen. To This the nuggets were plus
five ninety four when he was on the floor this
year and minus two seventy five when he wasn't an
eight hundred. POINTS swing, i mean he's Just. After kareem
he's the Best center i've. Ever seen his dexterity. Is
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incredible he's the. Best player i'm gonna Give you yannis.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
The number.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Two, player defensively much Better. THAN jokic i worry about
him shooting free throws late sixty one percent on, the
year so he's got a little shack liability laid, in
games but one of the more dominant athletes IN. THE
nba i think he played.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
His best late in.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
The year jannis IS two sga, number three very good
defender with an insane wingspan for a. Point guard LED
the nba. In scoring i'm not sure he's going to get.
The whistle but he's Just a he's just. A bucket,
i mean that's just all the ri is. Do it
he is just. A, bucket again plays, real defense and
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THAT'S why i put him THREE and I put luca,
at four who tends to get worn out in the
playoffs and is a. Defensive liability but passing and shooting,
and scoring he can just take. Over games there will
be stretches in this playoff where he looks like the
best player in the WORLD and i can't wait to
watch it because he doesn't have to carry, the offense
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but he's the most gifted player, on offense and this
is gonna be a real statement series for him because
he came To the lakers off, an injury wasn't in.
GREAT shape i can't wait to. Watch it Number Five,
steph curry best player in the game without, THE ball
a great free, throw shooter great three, point shooter. Ball
handler he is the culture And playoff jimmy's going to
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take a little pressure.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Off. Him now it's a tough matchup Against.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
The Rockets aman thompson's their best athlete and this is gonna.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Be, a work a working series.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
For HIM but i Think he's Number Five, jason tatum
who does everything, very well although not necessarily, everything great
but he's very good.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
At everything. Is sick this is not a knock.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
On him it's just he doesn't have a lot of
iconic moments, or moves and there are Moments That jalen
brown feels like he's going to take the. Big Shot, jason,
tatum though Leads the celtics and the stuff, that, matters,
points rebounds assists all through last year's run he's. Number
six number Seven, is AUNT who i just don't think
is as Refined As jason tatum is as. A player
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yet he LED the nba in made threes, this year
so that's a. Real thing he's going to have to
score forty plus in multiple games for The t wolves
to Beat. The lakers it's a very hot team entering.
The playoffs he doesn't have a lot of help. ON
offense i Don't Trust julius randall in, the PLAYOFFS although
I Like julius randall as, a PLAYER so i Would put.
Aunt seven and this just really indicates how good the. Playoffs,
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are now You think i'm Crazy putting, lebron EIGHT but
i don't get a consistent defensive Effort. From LEBRON and
i also think there are gonna be moments in these
Playoffs where lebron's Gonna let luca. Take Over so lebron
is the best closer IN, The nba and WHAT do
i mean? By that he let the league in shots
made in the. Fourth quarter, lebron also, right now is
often the first or second best player in the league.
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In spurts he's very smart. And calculated he will save
himself for later. In Games but Sga and jokic could
end the game in the. Second quarter that's not Really
what lebron is. RIGHT now i put, him eight.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Number Nine.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Kawhi, leonard again do you get six or seven games?
PER series i, don't know but he's playing great late
in the season. REAL minutes i mean five six, YEARS
ago i mean we, were like he's a Less. DYNAMIC
jordan i mean he's a get, a bucket, huge hands really,
good defender incredibly strong for. His Weight, Kawhi leonard, Number nine,
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Number Ten, donovan Mitchell former Utah jazz led, the team
best offense in, the league. Very efficient he just a.
Real pro he's just gotten better, and better but his
team's never advanced past the. Second round cleveland's a team
that doesn't get a lot of love during the, regular
season but they feel like a More Adult oklahoma city
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where they're Like What oklahoma city is going to be
next year in. The Playoffs, so cleveland we've been waiting,
For them oh last, two years we've, been, like oh
and they JUST the nba is a baby steps league
And the cleveland just. WASN'T ready I think cleveland's, now
READY and i think they could Beat. The celtics they're
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built to Beat. The celtics they're a tough matchup For.
The CELTICS but I think boston's better than we're giving them.
Credit for so those are my ten. Best PLAYERS and
i know what you're, gonna, Say Well jason, tatum six
because the five guys Ahead Of. Jason TATUM if i said,
TO you i need a, BUCKET now i. WOULD trust
i would trust the five guys that had to get a.
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BUCKET now I think tatum is great dexterity and does,
everything well but there are times in big Spots where
i'm not QUITE sure i want Him Er jalen brown.
Shooting it But now tatum's had his. BEST year i
know this will be viewed as as, a shot but
Everybody Loves ann EDWARDS and I think jayson's a more
complete Player Than ann edwards, right.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Now two things to.
Speaker 7 (53:19):
Jump Out if kawhi is right and, he's healthy he
could easily be two.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Or three and so if we believe.
Speaker 7 (53:26):
That he's going to have a healthy, playoff run considering
he's probably been the best player in the league last, six, weeks.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Well he also is Like A. Jimmy butler kawhi usually
plays better than. The playoffs so there's. No, QUESTIONS now
I Like jimmy butler just missing.
Speaker 7 (53:40):
The, list YEAH but i Just the clippers are the.
Wildcard TEAM everyone i think is scared of what they.
Could be the, other THING and i mentioned this the,
other day You, have mitchell they are. AT ten i
went And Saw nick calves the other day and it
was it was unbelievable to me to see How connected.
Cleveland was they have such a great feel. To them
they're So, INCREDIBLY yeah i don't know if they're, quite
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there but. They're DANGEROUS and i certainly That the Mobley
and allen in the front court and in, The guards Garland,
and mitchell that.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Is.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Lethal, yeah no they're really. Well run they've done a really.
Good job so it, is listen it's. Top, HEAVY celtics
Okc and cleveland field better than. EVERYBODY else i Think
the lakers are the best of the, next GROUP but
I Mean oklahoma city is good but. Really young Cleveland
AND boston i think of the two best teams built for.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
THE playoffs okac was the best regular.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Season Team CLEVELAND boston i think are built for the
best playoff. Run size they Can. Both, defendeta yeah they
can both defend at, the rim on. The wing at,
the point they just they offer a lot. Of stuff
i'm excited.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
For it
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It is a Monday live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,
Thanks for making out the part of your day so interesting.
I was in Chicago over the weekend. You know, they're
all fired up about the Bears, Jordan Shul's joining us,
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and a lot of people are asking about Aaron Rodgers,
who will be in our right and wrong? And I
think Aaron is being very smart and calculated. He's gonna
wait for the draft and figure out where the dominoes fall.
He's not gonna do a Kirk Cousins sign with a
team and then the team drafts or back.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's like, what's the point.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So I think I actually think Aaron Rodgers, and I
told everybody it might take his the Steelers, his fool's gold.
He knows that defensive culture, and so it's it's and
here we are waiting for Aaron Rodgers, which again it's
his last team, So I don't blame him. If it's
your last job, your last contract, take your time, say
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no to a bunch of people. All right, we do
it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong, And here.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
We go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
The joker Nikola Jokic after Kareem, second best center. I've
ever seen his numbers this year, third player ever to
average a triple double. Totally authentic. He didn't work the stats.
He just had his best season ever thirty twelve and ten.
He kept the franchise afloat. I don't know if they
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have another title. But the truth is because optics and
artistic impression matters in the NBA, that he's not wildly
popular because his game sometimes is a little clunky and awkward.
But takeout Kareem. That's the best center in league history.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I thought the Warriors would find themselves with the number
two or number three seed, but Jimmy Butler just didn't
provide enough offense and cominga doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
They lost three of their last five.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
They got eaten alive yesterday in overtime by James Harden
and the Clippers, And I gotta say I was wrong
on this. I thought they'd end up because of their experience,
Butler getting the team to the free throw line, in
their added toughness. But in the end, they've got limitations,
and they don't know what the hell to do with
Kaminga because he doesn't play well with Draymond or Butler
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where they're on the floor.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So why I was wrong on the Warriors where Colin
was right.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The Suns missed the playoffs, Katie makes another poor decision
and Mike Budenholzer gets fired. I appreciated the swing, but
let's be completely frank about this. Kevin Durantz won two
playoff series in five years since he left the Warriors,
and he is just too remarkable an NBA player for
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that to be true. I hated the move away from
Golden State. Everybody said he just wants to ball, but
he's now just become a really talented bounce around the
league guy, which is beneath him.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The Clippers are in the playoffs. I didn't love the
Kawhi extension. He's been on fire. I didn't like letting
Paul George go. His season was a mess. James Harden
I was done with Boy was he good?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yesterday?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
He played great down the stretch, and this team suddenly
on fire. Kawhi Leonard is playing. He's great. He's a
get a bucket guy and yesterday Warriors couldn't stop him.
Clippers are now in the playoffs. So I didn't like
all their moves. They've got a lot of older guys,
and sometimes older guys just don't treat their regular season
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in the NBA with a great deal of urgency. But
they got a great coach and played with some of
it down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And here we are where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I always said, Ja Morant is going to be Derick Rose,
a small guy that can't shoot that will force him
to score at the rim, and he's going to get
banged up and have injuries. Add in immaturity. He's in
trouble with the league again for some hand grid aide
you know, a move which didn't bother me much, but
it is what it is, and Ja Morant has sort
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of become what we predicted. Fun to watch but I'm
not going to build my franchise around him as a
number one and injuried if you're under six three a
John Wall, Russell Westbrook, a Jamarana, Derrick Rose, and you're
not a great perimeter shooter, well you've got to score
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at the rim? What does that mean? Collisions? What does
that mean? Injuries?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
So it always works where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I think Shador Sanders in a bad quarterraft is good
enough to go two or three. But the odds out
of Vegas, say the Saints with a number nine pick
and the Steelers with a number twenty one pick, that's
where he's going. So now I would agree that he
doesn't have a lot of special he didn't have a
big arm, he's not super mobile. But I do think
there's value in the fact that he's accurate composed. His
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dad was a pro athlete and he did not have
a good old line or a run game at Colorado,
so he has had to initiate offense. And let's be honest,
when you look at how bad the O line was,
the fact that he completed seventy four percent of his
throws and he actually played really well in games against
really good teams with much better players. So I think
he's a little bit better than the NFL people think.
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But he's moving down according to the odds makers. Where
Colin was right, I told you Aaron Rodgers doesn't buy Pittsburgh.
It's fools, gold defensive coach, two needy receivers, bad o line, lost,
Nagee Harris, and here we are. Aaron Rodgers is just
waiting it out. I think it's the right move. I
believe he wants to go to San Francisco if the
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pretty contract doesn't work, or Minnesota. I think he's right
to want that. I think Aaron's too smart to make
an impulsive, dumb decision. And I don't buy Pittsburgh for
Aaron Rodgers. I think at his core he's an NFC
North or a West Coast guy. He's got a beautiful
place in Malibu, trains in Thousand Oaks. I don't think
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he should sign with Pittsburgh. I never thought he would
sign with Pittsburgh, or at least didn't feel that way
with great conviction.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And I think he's making the right moves. Where Colin
was raw, I thought the.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Dodgers roster, especially the batting order, maybe the greatest since
the seventy five Cincinnati Reds. They're hitting two twenty five.
They're third in their division. They lost sixteen nothing to
the Cubs Saturday. They lost their third straight series. They're
not hitting at all.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
This is a little bit on brand for the Dodgers,
who tend to pick up steam mid season and beyond.
And they did just win the World Series and there
is no real urgency in one hundred and sixty two
game schedule. But they're struggling in the bullpen, and they
are struggling at the plate, hitting only two twenty five,
which is eighteenth. Maybe they need more torpedo bats. Whatever
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it is, the Dodgers aren't playing or hitting particularly well.
Colin Wright Colin Wrong on a Monday.
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Speaker 1 (07:33):
It is great to have you in so at the
end of yesterday's show, Jordan Schultz filled in for Jmax.
This week in one of the Herdline stories, had that
Time Magazine's list of the one hundred most influential people
in America. They did not have Caitlin Clark on the list,
but they had two other WNBA players, and they had
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a bunch of other athletes. I love Jalen Hurts. I
don't think he's one of the one hundred most influential people.
I love him, and it just struck me. I had
so many people reach out to me on this yesterday.
So I just want you to think of words matter influential.
Influential is the word Time Magazine used influential. She played
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one year of pro basketball in a small market for
the worst team in the league, and she literally changed
the entire financial makeup of the league. That defines influential.
The WNBA had its most watched season in twenty four years,
its highest attendance in twenty two years, and set records
for digital consumption and merchandise sales last year.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That is all Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Six WNBA teams have already preemptively for their games. With
Caitlin Clark moved to bigger venues. Time Magazine used the
word influential. I didn't they used that word, well, Colin,
I heard this call it. They gave her Athlete of
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the Year in America in December, and so there was
no reason to put her on the April list. All right,
so Time Magazine is telling me she went from the
Athlete of the Year in America in December and by
April she's less influential than Breonna Stewart.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna buy that argument.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You think Hollywood in the nineties said, listen, Tom Hanks,
everything he's in is great, He's won back to back Oscars,
but let you know, let's let's share the spotlight. Nope,
movie studios were fighting over Tom Hanks. Everybody wanted Tom
Hanks because Hollywood. Hollywood's gotten into trouble in the last
ten years when they've tried to make independent movies where
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women fall in love with fish and now nobody goes
to a theater except for Tom Cruise and Christopher Nolan,
big Avenger movies, right, like the big directors, the big stars.
Play the hits. I've been doing this for thirty three years.
I've had a pretty good career TV and radio podcasting.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Play the hits.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You think Fox upstairs in baseball coverage goes you know,
we've done a lot of Aaron Judge, Otani, Juan Soto.
Anybody checked out the Mariners schedule lately, can we squeeze
them in? That's never been a discussion ever here. The
NFL this year literally has a new rule. You no
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longer have to put every team on television at least
once because they realized Carolina is not well run.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's a Carolina problem.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Why should I force network CBS, Fox, ABC to put
on bad products? So this idea, and I'll say this,
there have been a lot of great individual female athletes globally,
but in terms of North America and team sports, men
have dominated. And because n have dominated this for so long,
they get it. UFC just put John Jones and Connor
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McGregor on every big card. It's not about sharing. We'll
pay them a fortune. The rest of the guys, eh,
we'll pay what we want to Major Leig Baseball, Fox coverage,
Moro Tani and Aaron Judge the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes the Philadelphia Eagles. You ever notice
that they put on television big brands all the time.
The minute the Pittsburgh Steelers are uninteresting, boom gone off,
Let's put on the Detroit Lions play the hits. But
the WNBA last year blessed their Hearts finally got a
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star and they didn't know that. They couldn't figure it out. Well,
we don't want to put too much, too much, Caitlyn
Clark Cott. Nope, every game, every list, every game, every moment,
every contest, every All Star game, every single day, all
Caitlan Clark, Well, it will offend Who cares? You didn't
make any money in twenty four years. You're subsidized by
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the NBA. Who gives a rep. Who are you offending
players that don't make revenue? You're subsidized by the NBA.
More Caitlin Clark all the time, always hurting feelings is
the reality ESPN and baseball. Right now, they've hurt each
other's feelings. They'll get over it. If you don't make money,
you're not a league. You can't subsidize people forever in sports.
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So Caitlin Clark changed the financial structure of the league.
She's not wasn't my word. It was Time Magazine's word.
They used influential, and now she's not influential. So here's
a rule for anybody considering starting a league. And I
do think the WNBA got so mocked and criticized they
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finally figured it out. In sports. Don't get caught up
in sharing the spotlight because occasionally an athlete will be
the spotlight. Don't play nice, play the hits. Caitlin Clark
is easily the most influential athlete in a team sport
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since Michael Jordan. Patrick Mahomes is great. The league was
doing fine, Tom Brady retired, The league's doing fine far,
Peyton Manning left fine.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
They're great.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I mean, you could argue Steph Curry is influential because
of the way he changed the way basketball is played.
Maybe that's the second most influential person. But I mean,
the only athlete in my lifetime I can think of
that compares to Caitlin Clark. And it's not a team sport.
It's golf as Tiger Woods. I mean, Tiger Woods literally
got people to a television on Sunday for a decade.
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It was Sopranos after Tiger Woods round. I mean, he
changed American viewing habits. So just think about this. Six
WNBA teams have already preemptibly move the Caitlin Clark games
to bigger venues. Time Magazine you use the word I
didn't you invalidated your list. You made it inauthentic because
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you were trying to play nice. Don't play nice, play
the hits.
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Speaker 2 (15:18):
So here we go.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Let's do our top fifteen mock draft. This is who
I would draft if I was a GM. Number one
is Tennessee. You gotta get cam Warden. It's an easy one.
Last year the Titans quarterbacks combined for twenty two touchdowns
and twenty one picks. It's a winnable division. He fits
Brian Callahan's offense. They've got one go to receiver. I
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think he'll win games. I think he'll make him a
playoff team. Easiest pick on the board cam Ward Number two, Cleveland.
I think they go and get Travis Hunter, the best
overall athlete in the draft, and he'll play both sides.
Their receiving chorus, Jerry Judy, and a whole lot of math.
They also have quarterbacks all filled out. They got Flacco,
they're paying to Shaun Watson, they got Kenny Pickett. They've
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said the signal they're not getting a quarterback. So I
think this is the only player in the draft that
can affect both sides of the ball, and in a
division with the Ravens, you need to catch up. I
think it's the pick number three may surprise you. I
do now think the Giants are gonna take Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Here's why.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I think Jamis Winston and Tommy DeVito they'll cut him
in camp. I think they're gonna go Russell for a year.
Even Russell's contracts not that punitive. It's all based on
how many games he plays and how well he plays.
I've changed my mind. I think they're gonna go get him.
I think he's a star. It's a star town. I
think it's a big market. Brian Dabole has proven a
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history of you can give him kind of average stuff
and he'll correct it. I don't think there's a lot
to correct. They've seen him personal workout recently. I think
they're going to go get Shador. I think the Patriots
are going to get Abdull Carter the edge. Last year,
the Patriots had the fewest sacks in the league. There'll
be plenty of running backs, tight ends, and wide receivers
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later in the draft. They it's Mike Frable They're gonna
I mean, go look at what they did in free agency.
A lot of big uglies, a lot of size and movement.
Carter's a great athlete. They don't need to rush Drake
May's development. They can get him help later in the draft.
It's a good tight end and running back draft. You
can get that second, third, fourth, fifth round. They get
Abdul Carter. Jaguars get Mason Graham. Jags defensive lines already talented.
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I think Graham's really underrated. People say his.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Ceiling is low.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
All I know is when I watched him, he pushed
everybody around the field. They had the second worst total
defense in the league last year. They've already got Trey
Von Walker and Josh Heinz Allen. Add Mason Graham and
don't worry about the d line for the next five years.
The Wolverine, big kid from Anaheim Aria in California.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I think he goes number five.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I think the Raiders go get Ashton gent the running
back from Ohio State. Is he worthy of this pick.
He's the best running back in this class. Geno Smith
is very good on play action. Pete Carroll's career, he
was great when he had Reggie Bush and Lendale White
in college and Marshawn Lynch in Seattle. They had the
worst rushing attack in the league last year. Their offensive
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line is set. They've got an elite weapon in Brock Bauers.
I think you give Gino help Ashton Jenny playmaker at six.
The Jets get Tyler Warren at number seven the tight end.
This kid can do everything. They even split him out wide.
He's a playmaker again, takes the pressure off Garrett Wilson,
who gets double teamed. Now Devonte Adams has gone super
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versatile player and they just haven't had any tight end
production over the last couple of years. They have six
tight end six touchdowns at the tight end position. I
watched the USC game. This kid had seventeen catches. He
is about as viable and has the kind of dexterity.
He's a little bit running back, a little tight end.
You could throw the football if you wanted. I think
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the Jets finally go get a big time tight end.
Panthers get t Mac wide receiver Arizona. I like him,
he's a little bit of a glider. But they got
to get Bryce Young help. This is an organization. This
is the year for Bryce Young, who played pretty well
last year. Panthers at eight. Take him. The wide receiver
group in Carolina does not have a true number one. Again,
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I know two gms that are cool on him, and
I know one that loves him, and it's a GM
I respect. So Bryce Young needs more help. This kid's
a true number one. Go get him at eight. Number
nine Saints, Will Johnson. They moved off Marcus Lattimore, sending
him to the Commander, so they need a number one.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I think he's great.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
He was hurt at Michigan. I think he's a great court.
I think he starts for everybody in the NFL. At Denver,
he starts. He's just not as good as Patrick's Ertan.
I think Will Johnson is an exceptional player. They had
the twenty seventh ranked pass defense in the league.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
They've got to replace lad More.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I know you're talking about quarterback, but I don't even
know what to make of that Derek Carr story. And
I think Shador is going to be off the board
and it's too high to draft Jackson Dart Will Johnson
nine to the Saints. Number ten Bears, Go get Edge
Jaylon Walker. Listen Montese sweat from the inside. Let him
last year in sacks they could have drafted in the
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number one spot and edge last year.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He's a Georgia bulldog who.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Rushes the passer, great physical specimen. I think you go
get them. They keep upgrading in the trenches. The Bears
upgraded their old line this year in free agency. I
think they upgrade their d line at the top of
the draft. I like Walker to the Bears at ten,
number eleven, nine ers, I would go Calvin Banks. Trent
Williams is aging at left tackle. He's thirty seven years old,
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and let's be honest, if you're going to spend money
on brock Perty, then you better protect him. Their old
line is the weakness of that football team, and he's
the best player available.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I like him better than Will Campbell.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I watched a lot of Texas football. He was really
good in the big games them all people, so I
like him. Number twelve Cowboys Amarion Hampton, running back North Carolina.
I think he's a poor man's Adrian Peterson. Big strong,
just just a hard dude to bring down. I mean,
look at him wrong, look at the legs, look at
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the burst and let's let's face it. The Cowboys running
back room is atrocious. Twenty seventh in the NFL. They've
already invested draft capital in the O line. They've already
paid Ceedee, Lamb and Dak. They need star power and
there's not a good enough wide receiver to draft in
this spot. I think this kid is electric starter day one,
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and again, Dak's better on play action than sitting back
in the pocket throwing forty times a game. Number thirteen Dolphins,
I'd go Will Campbell LSU. I think he's pretty good,
not as good as Kelvin Banks. Again, you're investing in Tua.
Tua has that injury concern. Go get an offensive lineman.
You also lost a very good time in Tron Armstead.
So let's just do this. Go get it. I know
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it's not sexy, you're moving on. You tried sexy with
Jalen Ramsey and Tyreek Hill. How's that working out for you?
Just go to the trenches and get a good left tackle.
Number fourteen the Colts. This will be the steel of
the draft. Armand Memboo from Missouri who tore it up
offensive lineman. Outside of Quenton Nelson. None of the offensive
lineman and Indy played seventeen games. People talk about needing
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a tight end. Lovelin's not good enough to draft in
this spot. I think this will end up being the
steel of the draft, Will Johnson and armand Membu. I
mean physical specimen and listen. I think your receivers are
good enough. You have Jonathan Taylor and Anthony Richardson. You
should probably run more than you do pass. Anyway, he's
a maler. I take him at that spot. He's about
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as good as player. Last year the Colts Chris Ballard
waited and got the best pass rusher at like fifteenth.
I think this will be the best player at fourteen
available and he'll start Day one and at fifteenth Atlanta
Shamar Stewart edge rusher, Texas A and M. They don't
get to the quarterback second few of sacks in the NFL.
Do you want to beat Baker Mayfield, You got to
rush Baker Mayfield. Put pressure on Baker and so I
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think it makes sense. They have used their number first
round pick on offense for four straight draft picks, so
it's time to pay attention to defense. This If I
was general manager for these teams, I'm not saying this
is what they're gonna do. This is what I could do.
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I think the Shadoor Sanders. I looked at New York
over and over and over again, and I have come
to the conclusion where the best athletes off the board.
They've already got a very good defensive line. That's not
an area of need, and I think they'll keep Ross
for a year. Jamis, Tommy DeVito, you can move off
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those guys in camp. And I do think there's something
to be said about Sanders. Deon Sanderson in New York,
it feels big, it feels fun. I mean, the Jets
don't have the future quarterback, do they. I mean, do
they really have the future quarterback? So the Giants not
want to have the future quarterback. I mean, let's be
honest about New York. It's a competitive market.
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Speaker 1 (24:27):
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this week has been great, so it's been a fun
week for us. I got a little bit of pushback
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on my Jackson Dart opinions, which I have said. I
think he's a better version, same high school, same basic size,
same basic offense, struggled against better college competition too often.
For me, he's Zach Wilson, but a little bicker. Got
a lot of pushback on that. I think he's a
little bit of a nervous thrower in big games when
you rush him.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I don't love his decision making.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Also, I think Shaduor Sanders, who is one of the
most accurate college quarterbacks I can remember seeing playing behind
an atrocious offensive line with no run game, I think
he's undervalued. I don't get him falling to twenty one.
I think there's a gap between Shoud. For me, there's
a gap between Shador and Jackson Dart. In my trust,
if I was a general manager, on what I have
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seen in college through forty or fifty starts, I trust
Shadoor Sanders to run an offense, be composed, be accurate.
Jackson Dart accuracy worries me. Tempo worries me in some
big games when he was hurried. There's a little bit
of a Zach Wilson thing that worries me. But I've
gotten a lot of pushback, especially on Jackson Dart. With that,
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we bring in Greg Cosel forty five years NFL film
out this week. By the way, the Tape Notebook, a
comprehensive draft guide, are the best in the business. Greg
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Speaker 2 (26:06):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Everybody is basically said, and I think mostly right. There's
some quarterback talent. It's not a star draft. Let's take
Cam Ward so he was a no star recruit. I
watched him at Washington State because I'm from Washington State,
but not a lot of people did. He goes to Miami,
he pops. Does he look like a bona fide franchise
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changer on tape?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
I think he does. Colin, you know it's funny. I've
finished watching him. I finish all the quarterbacks before the
combine because I always get asked about them at the combine.
So I finished all those quarterbacks and my opinion doesn't
change because it's based on tape, and I saw Ward
as a true legit, high end prospect who's worthy of
a top pick in a draft. He's clearly the most
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physically gifted quarterback in this draft class. And you know,
I just think that the traits the high trades level.
And I know some people at Washington State who told
me that he's a great kid, that he's got a
dog mentality. So I don't think there's any concern there
at all with cam Ward. I spoke to an NFL
coach and I felt the same way, who said that
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if he was in last year's draft, he would have
been in the conversation with the top three. And I
personally believe that based on tape study.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Okay, so I've said I think Tennessee's going to be
a playoff team with him. That's one of my upset picks.
I think he's a starter. Now I like shit or
more than others, because I can't get past this. When
I watched him, and I probably watched him like everybody
else a dozen times, I thought he was kind of
uniquely accurate, moving left, moving right, holds the ball too long.
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Some of that, though, may just be get more refined.
So it does worry me. They say he's not a
great athlete, but he feels like he moves well enough.
To me, he had to with that old line. I
think he's a B prospect, not an a what's the
tape say to you?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
I think at his core he's not a statue by
any means. It's just like CJ. Stroud has turned out
not to be a statue. But at his core, he's
a pocket quarterback and I think he's gotten over the
top delivery. He's an easy natural throw of the football. Yep,
he is accurate. He did throw about one hundred and
fifty screen passes this year, so I think the seventy
percent whatever it was, completion percentage that is irrelevant in
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conversations about him, just because of the high number of
screens he threw.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I like Schador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
I think there's two things that he clearly has to
work on. One is he has a tendency to retreat
backwards when he feels pressure, and that cannot happen in
the NFL. And the other thing, and this can be
cleaned up, is he tends when he perceivees pressure to
hold the ball with one hand with his right hand,
and you know that's disaster in the NFL. But I
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think he's an easy natural throw of the football. He's
pretty rhythmic. That's his game. There are plenty of examples
on tape where he's stood in the pocket in the
face of pressure and delivered the football, and I think
that's real positive he's going to have to do as
a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
You're going to have to do that.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
You're going to have to work in squeezed pockets and
stand and deliver. And I think he showed that. It's
always easy to talk about offensive line. We saw this
with Caleb Williams. The one other thing that's concerning is
quarterbacks that get sacked a lot in college for whatever
the reason. Colin gets sacked a lot in the NFL.
We saw that with Caleb Williams this past year.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Okay, we'll pribably start disagreeing here. Jackson Dart worries me.
When I first watched them in college, I thought of
Zach Wilson. I didn't know they went to the same
high school, Power High School in Utah, right, you know,
they've kind of the RPO thing, very successful. Didn't always
think Jackson Dart saw the field particularly well. That was
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my knock on Zach Wilson. Also my knock on Justin Field.
Some guys just don't see it as quickly. They have
slower eyes or whatever they call it. I don't see
him as a first round quarterback. Tell me I'm wrong.
What do you see?
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I don't think you're necessarily wrong. I kept going back
and forth on Jackson Dart. I watched him last summer
from his twenty twenty three tape. I think I watched
ten or eleven games this year because I just couldn't
get a great feel on what I think he'll be
in the league, because that's what we're talking about. We're
not talking about college football. We're talking about the projection
and transition. I think I ultimately came down on the
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fact that he could be a quality starter depending on
any number of variables and variances, which is usually the
case with most quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
You know the system he ran.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
At Ole miss It was a really good system. He
was very efficient and proficient at it. They did run
a lot of NFL route concepts, contrary to what people
might believe.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
One thing that always bothers me.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
I kind of learned this from Phil Simms years ago,
and it always bothers me with quarterbacks. Once Phil told
me and it resonated, is he works hard Colin to
throw the ball, and guys that work hard to throw
the ball. I always think when there's going to be
pressure and you have to kind of sit on your
back foot and drive the ball with some velocity, I
always wonder how that's going to play out, Like, for instance,
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cam Ward has zero problem with that whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
So you know, I just kept going back and forth
on Dart.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
I'm not quite as low on him as you are,
but I'm just not certain about what he is.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
In the league.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
I think it's going to be a function of team coach,
the offense that he's asked to run.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
So many factors that we just don't know right now.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, So it's funny because I keep hearing this about
this Louisville quarterback Tyler Shuck Yep, Okay, been hurt a lot,
bounced around a lot. He's twenty seven. The truth is,
when I was in college, you go to your college
dorm and there's always that one old guy in the
college dorm and he runs the floor. I forget the
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name of it, but he runs the floor, and he's
got a beard, and he drinks better beer. He drinks
better beer than all of us. We're drinking, you know,
like keep Milwaukee's best, and I think to myself, it
reminds me of this guy.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Like, listen, he's twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
He should be more physically developed, he should be smarter,
he's got more reps. But it's like he's older than
Trevor Lawrence. I'm always so reluctant on like really old
college quarterback who crushes in his final year of college.
What do you make of Louisville's quarterback?
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Well, I can only tell you what I saw in film,
and by the way, in talking to people around the league,
the age doesn't bother them as much as the injury history.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
So just keep that in mind.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
But I thought that after cam Ward, just purely on tape,
that he had the next best tape of any quarterback
in this year's draft. I mean, he's a big kid.
He's almost six' five and by the, way that's a.
Trait he's almost six.' five he throws the ball really,
really well he's got. MOVEMENT ability I like tyler shuck.
A lot i don't know where he's going to. GET
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drafted i doubt he's a top, five pick but, YOU
know i think the tape, was really really STRONG and
i really liked his game. A lot and, You know
i've heard people who do this kind, of thing, you
know that, interview him talk, to him say that he is,
really mature which of course he, should be as, you
said but that he's ready to go. Right now he's
one of those guys that's really impressive. In person but
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the tape, was very. Very.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Impressive, Colin OKAY.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So i said This About, aston genty it's a really
good running. Back DRAFT but i remember Years ago i'll.
Tell stories so it was a draft That Had, patrick
willis The old. Miss LINEBACKER and i don't know if
YOU and i were doing our thing, back THEN but
i remember watching the. PRE YouTube i saw a couple
pieces of VIDEO as i was waiting for the draft
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where he literally ran DOWN an sec running BACK and,
I said, i'm like that's the best player in this
draft or THE the sec at. THAT time, i said
that piece of tape doesn't. Look normal that's that's. A
pro i saw a piece of Tape Like jamar chase as.
A sophomore, i'm like that guy would start for everybody IN.
The Nfl, ashton genty Even, against oregon is bouncing OFF the.
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Nfl players OREGON'S got, Nfl Dudes, penn state he's just
it seems. Like nobody maybe it's because he's five seven and,
a half. FIVE eight i watch his Tape and, I'M
like i know he Went To. VOISE state i know.
He's small nobody can get a clean shot. ON him
i think we're looking at a, star here.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Aren't, we well that's the magic, to him the, contact
balance the ability to, absorb hits continue to move without
losing any momentum. Or speed that's kind of his. Magical
licksir that's what makes him, a really really.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Good back, you.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Know it's interesting that he didn't Run because i'm not
sure that he's straight lined fast the way we think.
Of IT but i don't think that MATTERS for nfl
running backs for the. Most part, BUT no i think
he'll be a really. Good back, you know it's interesting
in talking. To people there are, some people and you
might disagree with, this totally but there are some people
in the league who Think that Amari and hampton is
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A better nfl prospect than GENTY and i guess will.
Find out but there's no question the, contact balance the
low center. Of gravity he's only five eight and a
quarter five eight and. A half so he's very low to,
the ground he's very tough to get a clean, hit
on and he's got that ability just to sort of
it's not power.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Per se it's not like he runs. Over people he pinballs.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Off people he absorbs it and continues and that's a
very rare trait and he's, got THAT and i mean
he'll be a. Good pro, you, know again it's always hard.
To know, you know running backs are. Hard Call and
i'll tell.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
You why who would, have thought.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
What three four years Ago That kyen williams coming Out
Of notre dame would BE an nfl feature back and
have three hundred and sixteen carries, last year, you know
and not even play the final game of. The season
so it's very difficult with a lot of, these backs
so much is dependent on team.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And Scheme So, TRAVIS hunter i Do think otani and
baseball is something that we're all shocked. To SEE but
i do think, going forward we're going to see A Few.
Travis hunters we're going to see kids now athletically that
can play both sides of.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
The ball his motor. Is weird he can play eighty.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Eight snaps and on the eighty, eight snap he looks
like he's it's his third snap of. THE game i
would prefer getting him the ball then defending. The ball
when you, watch tape is he a better receiver?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
OR corner.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
I would probably say at this point, in time he's
probably a. Better RECEIVER but i think, that corners, you
know you can always find. Quality receivers really good corners
are tougher. To FIND and i think in terms of more, Of,
preparation colin do you THINK and i, you know do
you think you can be a part? Time corner, you
know think of it. This way imagine if you're you're, you.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Know he's not going to be On, the eagles but
just think of it.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
This Way Imagine nick siriani Walking Into vic fanjo On,
a wednesday, you know as they're preparing for a game, and,
saying Hey, coach vic you Know today travis is going
to be with, the offense not.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
With, You well vic's going to, tell, him well then
you know what.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
He's not he's not Playing on sunday because you know
what we're putting in fifteen. New things and if he's
not here for the practice and the meetings and all,
the things that we're going. To do, YOU know i
don't care how gifted, he is but you, know what
if he makes, a mistake we're giving up a sixty.
Yard touchdown so, to me it's not whether he's physically
capable of.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Doing it he may be.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
That freakish guy, that is because what he did in
college is, absolutely. Remarkable RIDICULOUS but i think it's more
about the preparation during. The week i'm not sure you
can be a part time outside corner IN the nfl.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
AND start i don't mean being a nickel or any.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
OF that i mean playing, you know seventy snaps at
outside corner because there's. TOO much i think that goes
into the preparation with that in conjunction with the with
the rest of, your defense whereas you can be a
part time receiver in terms of playing fifteen or twenty
snaps in. Given Packages so i'm not sure that's going to.
Work OUT but, i mean he's obviously a uniquely.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Gifted, athlete OKAY so i know this is not a
first round player or maybe a second, round player BUT and, i,
know oh his deep ball. Is ERRATIC but, i SAID
when I watch, kyle McCord anything intermediate or under he.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Lets it.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Repy's accurate he can squeeze a ball into. Tight spots
he's played With a powerhouse and then he's Played. With
syracuse he's. Wildly, productive yeah he's a pure he's a.
Pocket GUY but, i say is he's a, pocket guy.
No question so he's not going to be a first
and probably a second. Round PICK but, i said if
if McVeigh went and got him and he Sat behind
stafford for, TWO years i Look at kyle McCord and,
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I'M like, i know he's. Not, sexy athletically that looks
like a starting quarterback. To me if you told me
there was a guy that got drafted in the fourth
that in two years started and.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
WAS effective i. Like him but he's just a.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Pocket guy so does that limit him in? Your, evaluation
well let me ask.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
You this everything you, just SAID and i just thought
of this, right Now and i'm sure people are going
To say, I'm crazy but everything you, just said how
would that be Different From?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Shader? Sanders?
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah shitit or maybe he throws a better.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Deep, ball YEAH well i agree.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
With that, you know McCord's an interesting guy because one
of the things that really struck ME when i, watched
HIM and i think he throws a. Good ball he
does have a TENDENCY and i don't know if this
can be. Cleaned up it just might be the way.
He throws he does have a tendency certain times to
lift his back foot off the ground before, he throws
and that impacts your velocity and your accuracy.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
At TIMES but i like.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
The player, you know he's one of those GUYS and
i don't normally think, like this but just for YOU
and i talking like if ten is the highest, to
me is like a seven.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
In everything, You know he's just he's a.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Solid player it's possible that he could be a starting quarterback.
FOR sure i mean because now you get into team and.
Scheme again, you know if he's got a, run GAME
and i know people are going, to, say well everybody,
needs this but YOU and i both know that there
are certain quarterbacks in the league that can, overcome deficiencies
whether it's within, their offense if they don't have a,
great defense they can overcome deficiencies because they can just
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make those wonderful. Individual plays McCord is, you know do
you look at McCord and Think If kirk cousins in
his Prime.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
In minnesota do you? See, THAT.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah i mean a. LITTLE bit I remember Kirk At.
MICHIGAN state I think i WILL say i think he's
a more aggressive Thrower. Than kirk he'd throw. More picks
he's got A Little philip. Rivers attitude he lets it. Rip,
Sometimes YEAH and i don't think it's the best decision in,
the World whereas kirk is.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Pretty.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
Safe YEAH although i mean if you told a team
that drafted McCord, and, said well we think You're Like
kirk Cousins and cousins for what four or five six
years in, a row through thirty five touchdowns and ten picks,
every year and, you, said well, you know if he could,
DO that i bet teams would say that's.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Pretty good we'll. Take, that, YEAH okay i want to
do this you've. BEEN doing i have so much respect.
For you i've always said there's certain POSITIONS that i
can look at, and, go oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
That works.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Like corner there's not many, good ones right if you're one, of, four,
three five like the Kid at texas. The corner he's
not fast enough to be a, dominant corner but he's
a really good player and he'll he'll make it in.
The League, will johnson by, the way is not a,
burner either but if you play, Enough Zone will Johnson
from michigan is going to be a VERY good. Nfl
corner but he's not. A burner he's not going to
guard your. Speed guy that's not what. He is but
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he's A, typical, harbaugh tough. Smart player SO but i
ALWAYS think i can watch corner, and, go yeah that
works IN. THE nfl i also think a lot, of times,
you know quarterbacks obviously. Very hard people keep telling me
this is not a great offensive. TACKLE draft i want
to TALK and i want to. Ask YOU so I
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Watch kelvin banks in big Games and, i'm, like yeah
that's a. Starting tackle is there a position IN the,
NFL college nfl that you have struggled with and you.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Just have to watch it IN?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
The nfl LIKE when I Watch, Kelvin banks, I'M like
i think he's is he Close To? Joe alt but everybody's, telling,
me now there's no. Great tackles how do you look
at tackle because it's a three hundred and thirty pound
man that needs Good feet and is that a there
a position that you've struggled with for you and, YOU'RE
like i just gotta watch it and, Pros, first.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
Well there's POSITIONS where i FEEL like i have to
watch a lot of games because. They're hard and those
two positions are corner and safety because you can go
through games and depending on how the game, plays out.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
They may not do.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
A lot so you have to sit and watch games
and games, and GAMES and i try to space OUT
how i do corners and safeties because if you watch
five or six in, A, ROW colin, i mean let's,
face it almost every corner, you watch unless he's terrible
or unless he's, ridiculously special after, a while they all
look kind of. The same, they all, oh yeah their
hips are, pretty good they transition. Pretty good, you know
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they start to look. The SAME so i space. It
out but to get to, OFFENSIVE tackle i think the
litmus test for offensive tackles IN.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
The nfl so you have to.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Think about this when you're watching guys in college is
can you pass protect one on one on? Third down
because there's not one single offensive coordinator in this league
that wants to keep a tight end or a backend on.
Third down they want to send five out and be
as detailed and subtle with their route concepts as they can.
Possibly be so the litmus test for offensive tackles IN
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the nfl is can they pass protect on?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Third down on third?
Speaker 6 (43:11):
And long and if you don't feel they can, do
that then THEY'RE not nfl quality.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Offensive, tackles well, you know let's end with This Because
bruce arian Said About. Jalen milrow, he SAID when i
look at a, college quarterback how is he in the
two minute drill and on? Third down and, HE goes
i Don't See jalen millrow being a guy that on
a big third down when everybody in the ballpark knows,
you're throwing or a two minute drill when everybody in
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the football stadium knows. You're throwing, HE goes i just
don't see that guy. Doing THAT and i Listened To
bruce arians and he's a little mechanical. For me, Great
kid but do you look at quarterbacks the same WAY
as i always say IN the nfl the difference between
the haves and have nots is third and Eight And
vic fangio knows. You're throwing, the, topic, well yeah It's.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
The yeah the DIFFER the nfl with quarterbacks are the must,
have downs, third downs, red zone, you know two minute end,
of game the must. Have SITUATIONS but i will, say
this and this is where the game, has changed and
just not speaking Totally, about milroe but the, fact is
how many quarterbacks now beat you on third down with.
Their legs it changes, the game particularly in the. RED zone,
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i mean Look At. JALEN hurts i mean the game
has changed to the point where it's third. And eight
you have to defend differently now because the quarterback. Can run,
You know bruce arians and he certainly knows MORE than. I,
do god the guy was doing it for years and years,
and years. You know but the bottom line is it's
not just now about dropping back and sitting in. The
pocket some guys it is that's The Way shadar sanders.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Is going to have to.
Speaker 6 (44:43):
Beat You But, jalen milroe who's obviously not the refined
Passer that, sanders is at this moment, in time when
it's third, and eight the defense has to play differently
because he can take off and run for.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Twenty, yards okay out this week the, tape notebook as
we look At some aalen milroll a comprehensive, draft guide
the best in. The business greg co Sell as oha is.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
My friend it's.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Good talking colin really, enjoyed it thanks.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
So, much, yeah, so yeah it's it's kind of fascinating
when you the quarterback position is obviously very hard because.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
You know it's a.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Leadership position, YOU know i was talking yesterday to a
general manager and we were talking About the Jets And
aaron glenn and it's similar. To quarterbacks, he said coaches. Are,
CEOs now sean MCVAY'S.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
The ceo.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
He, goes now sometimes you get lucky and You Get,
andy reid WHO'S a ceo and a. Schematic genius belichick was,
that Defensively a shanahan is that. He goes but you're HIRING.
A ceo that's what your. Coach is you've got coordinators to,
call plays YOU'RE. The ceo belichick would have the headset
(45:50):
on not, calling plays not EVEN. Doing dv he's doing, situational, Coaching,
right okay big, third down here's what we're. Gonna do
he's coaching to win. THE game a lot, of times coordinators,
physician coaches, you know they're, padding, Resumes right and so
when WE were i was talking, about him, he said
it's just, in college. It's different you can be Calling Plays,
(46:10):
lane kiffen, you're recruiting you're dominating personnel IN.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
The nfl YOU'RE.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
A Ceo aaron glenn was not a VERY good Ceo With.
Aaron rodgers he tried to, go rogue he tried to.
Go alfay, he's like that's not what A good. Ceo
does so, this person, this, executive said that's just bad
Ceoing By, aaron glenn and that's what a pro. Coach,
is yeah occasionally you get McVeagh who also is good.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
With schematics most of.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Them aren't and it's the same, with quarterback is that
it would be great if everybody's great from. The pocket
And Though lamar jackson's always been better from the pocket that,
anybody acknowledges the truth Is what greg said. Is true
you have To defend. Lamar differently you. Just can't by,
the way good luck playing man de Man Against lamar
jackson because once a defensive back, turns boom he's off.
(46:57):
And running so a Guy like jalen mill is gonna
see more Zone than Shadu or sanders's not gonna take off.
And run so you can play man to man. Very
hard to play man to Man With anthony richardson or
Or A jalen millrow or a quarterback that likes. To
run so They're. Bo nicks by, the way last Year
(47:18):
bon knicks ran. A ton he's not running against. The
zones bonnix is running against. Man corners turn. Their, Back
boom he's off.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
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Speaker 1 (47:36):
YOU like I think houston's Gonna Upset. Golden State golden
state's Got a jonathan. Kaminga ISSUE it's i think it's
gonna be wide. Open outside, You Know oklahoma city's Not,
playing boston they get. The buys other, than THAT it's,
I mean i Don't think detroit's Gonna Beat, new YORK
but i think they're gonna make the nick sweat. For
it so who are the ten best players in the
(47:58):
playoffs to keep your. Eye On number one's an, Easy One.
Nikola jokicic but listen. To This the nuggets were plus
five ninety four when he was on the floor this
year and minus two seventy five when he wasn't an
eight hundred. POINTS swing, i mean he's Just. After kareem
he's the Best center i've. Ever seen his dexterity. Is
(48:21):
incredible he's the. Best player i'm gonna Give you yannis.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
The number.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Two, player defensively much Better. THAN jokic i worry about
him shooting free throws late sixty one percent on, the
year so he's got a little shack liability laid, in
games but one of the more dominant athletes IN. THE
nba i think he played.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
His best late in.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
The year jannis IS two sga, number three very good
defender with an insane wingspan for a. Point guard LED
the nba. In scoring i'm not sure he's going to get.
The whistle but he's Just a he's just. A bucket,
i mean that's just all the ri is. Do it
he is just. A, bucket again plays, real defense and
(49:05):
THAT'S why i put him THREE and I put luca,
at four who tends to get worn out in the
playoffs and is a. Defensive liability but passing and shooting,
and scoring he can just take. Over games there will
be stretches in this playoff where he looks like the
best player in the WORLD and i can't wait to
watch it because he doesn't have to carry, the offense
(49:27):
but he's the most gifted player, on offense and this
is gonna be a real statement series for him because
he came To the lakers off, an injury wasn't in.
GREAT shape i can't wait to. Watch it Number Five,
steph curry best player in the game without, THE ball
a great free, throw shooter great three, point shooter. Ball
handler he is the culture And playoff jimmy's going to
(49:49):
take a little pressure.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Off. Him now it's a tough matchup Against.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
The Rockets aman thompson's their best athlete and this is gonna.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Be, a work a working series.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
For HIM but i Think he's Number Five, jason tatum
who does everything, very well although not necessarily, everything great
but he's very good.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
At everything. Is sick this is not a knock.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
On him it's just he doesn't have a lot of
iconic moments, or moves and there are Moments That jalen
brown feels like he's going to take the. Big Shot, jason,
tatum though Leads the celtics and the stuff, that, matters,
points rebounds assists all through last year's run he's. Number
six number Seven, is AUNT who i just don't think
is as Refined As jason tatum is as. A player
(50:33):
yet he LED the nba in made threes, this year
so that's a. Real thing he's going to have to
score forty plus in multiple games for The t wolves
to Beat. The lakers it's a very hot team entering.
The playoffs he doesn't have a lot of help. ON
offense i Don't Trust julius randall in, the PLAYOFFS although
I Like julius randall as, a PLAYER so i Would put.
Aunt seven and this just really indicates how good the. Playoffs,
(50:54):
are now You think i'm Crazy putting, lebron EIGHT but
i don't get a consistent defensive Effort. From LEBRON and
i also think there are gonna be moments in these
Playoffs where lebron's Gonna let luca. Take Over so lebron
is the best closer IN, The nba and WHAT do
i mean? By that he let the league in shots
made in the. Fourth quarter, lebron also, right now is
often the first or second best player in the league.
(51:15):
In spurts he's very smart. And calculated he will save
himself for later. In Games but Sga and jokic could
end the game in the. Second quarter that's not Really
what lebron is. RIGHT now i put, him eight.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Number Nine.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Kawhi, leonard again do you get six or seven games?
PER series i, don't know but he's playing great late
in the season. REAL minutes i mean five six, YEARS
ago i mean we, were like he's a Less. DYNAMIC
jordan i mean he's a get, a bucket, huge hands really,
good defender incredibly strong for. His Weight, Kawhi leonard, Number nine,
(51:52):
Number Ten, donovan Mitchell former Utah jazz led, the team
best offense in, the league. Very efficient he just a.
Real pro he's just gotten better, and better but his
team's never advanced past the. Second round cleveland's a team
that doesn't get a lot of love during the, regular
season but they feel like a More Adult oklahoma city
(52:15):
where they're Like What oklahoma city is going to be
next year in. The Playoffs, so cleveland we've been waiting,
For them oh last, two years we've, been, like oh
and they JUST the nba is a baby steps league
And the cleveland just. WASN'T ready I think cleveland's, now
READY and i think they could Beat. The celtics they're
(52:35):
built to Beat. The celtics they're a tough matchup For.
The CELTICS but I think boston's better than we're giving them.
Credit for so those are my ten. Best PLAYERS and
i know what you're, gonna, Say Well jason, tatum six
because the five guys Ahead Of. Jason TATUM if i said,
TO you i need a, BUCKET now i. WOULD trust
i would trust the five guys that had to get a.
(52:57):
BUCKET now I think tatum is great dexterity and does,
everything well but there are times in big Spots where
i'm not QUITE sure i want Him Er jalen brown.
Shooting it But now tatum's had his. BEST year i
know this will be viewed as as, a shot but
Everybody Loves ann EDWARDS and I think jayson's a more
complete Player Than ann edwards, right.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Now two things to.
Speaker 7 (53:19):
Jump Out if kawhi is right and, he's healthy he
could easily be two.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Or three and so if we believe.
Speaker 7 (53:26):
That he's going to have a healthy, playoff run considering
he's probably been the best player in the league last, six, weeks.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Well he also is Like A. Jimmy butler kawhi usually
plays better than. The playoffs so there's. No, QUESTIONS now
I Like jimmy butler just missing.
Speaker 7 (53:40):
The, list YEAH but i Just the clippers are the.
Wildcard TEAM everyone i think is scared of what they.
Could be the, other THING and i mentioned this the,
other day You, have mitchell they are. AT ten i
went And Saw nick calves the other day and it
was it was unbelievable to me to see How connected.
Cleveland was they have such a great feel. To them
they're So, INCREDIBLY yeah i don't know if they're, quite
(54:02):
there but. They're DANGEROUS and i certainly That the Mobley
and allen in the front court and in, The guards Garland,
and mitchell that.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Is.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Lethal, yeah no they're really. Well run they've done a really.
Good job so it, is listen it's. Top, HEAVY celtics
Okc and cleveland field better than. EVERYBODY else i Think
the lakers are the best of the, next GROUP but
I Mean oklahoma city is good but. Really young Cleveland
AND boston i think of the two best teams built for.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
THE playoffs okac was the best regular.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Season Team CLEVELAND boston i think are built for the
best playoff. Run size they Can. Both, defendeta yeah they
can both defend at, the rim on. The wing at,
the point they just they offer a lot. Of stuff
i'm excited.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
For it
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