They start with the Bears remaking their offensive line in free agency and Ben Johnson putting his stamp on the team, and discuss whether the moves show Johnson now has more personnel control than GM Ryan Poles (3:45). They also break down the differences in sports fandom, ownership and passion between the city Colin is leaving (Los Angeles) and the one he’s moving to (Chicago) (10:30).
They talk about the difficulty of drafting in the NFL vs. the NBA and why the constant churn of both players and coaching staff in football makes drafting so much harder and discuss why fit and continuity matter so much (29:30).
They discuss the constant back and forth of Aaron Rodgers trying to decide between the Steelers and Giants and debate the pros and cons of each destination (39:00).
They try to predict who the most “interesting” teams will be in the 2025 season. Colin lands on the Bears, Chiefs, Packers, and Patriots. Danny offers Colin some pushback on his picks and highlights the Commanders as the most interesting team (52:00). They discuss whether Jayden Daniels can make the jump to a top 5 quarterback in the league and win the NFC (59:00).
Finally, they move to the AFC West and Colin predicts that Jim Harbaugh’s Chargers will finally be the team to dethrone the Chiefs, and they talk about what to expect from the Raiders under Pete Carroll (1:08:45).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Danny Parkins co host breakfast Ball, the winner of the
mythical FS one NFL Picks Championship. It should be noted
it's just like the USA Today High School Basketball Championship.
It's all mythical, so let's not go crazy on this ship.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It is definitely true that I only made it a
competition between you, me and Nick once I started to
crush it and distance myself off the field. Yeah. So
you know, going into next year, if I start four
and nine, you know, it's just luck. But when I'm
(00:47):
crushing it, it's skilled and you guys are in a
competition you didn't even know you had entered.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, I have had the
last three shows in a row. I've had about as
much fun as I can have at this point of
thirty years doing it. So because I love free agency,
I love the movement. I love when stuff breaks on
the show. You know, I just I sometimes I think,
you know, the audience thinks we love football and football season,
(01:16):
but I actually find it more challenging when the season's
over and we have to sit there for two hours
in the morning and figure out ways to be compelling,
and there's not a lot out there. So this week
it's basically you've got B level players sometimes C plus
players transitioning.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
To bad teams.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And yet I had so much damn fun this week,
and I want to start with the Bears because I honestly,
and I don't remember the last time I thought this.
I it's obvious Ben Johnson now runs the organization because
he basically by acquiring a guard a center, a guard
is telling Ryan Poles, your picks were not good? You
(01:56):
know the organization? Well, that's that's my take is is
are certain coaches. Rabel in New England is running the show.
Belichick for years ran the show. Mcveay's got a lot
of power in Los Angeles, whereas Brett Veat really runs
personnel because Andy Reid doesn't want to do it. Sean
Payton's running Denver. Didn't it feel like to you this
(02:17):
is all Ben Johnson's stamp.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So I've heard you say this, and I think that
you're like eighty five to ninety percent correct. Ben Johnson
clearly now outranks Ryan Poles. And it's not a straight
like who makes more money, but it kind of is.
Ben Johnson makes considerably more money than Ryan Poles, and
obviously Ryan poles Is stock is down and Ben Johnson's
(02:43):
stock could not have been higher. So Ben Johnson has
more say. And the Jonah Jackson move is directly tied
to Ben Johnson. And that was the first move that happened.
They traded a late round pick for a guard from
the Rams who had been a former pro bowler, but
before he was with the Rams, he had been with
the lo and Ben Johnson obviously the Lions have the
(03:03):
best offensive line them and the Eagles in the NFL.
He knows how valuable that is. I think Ryan Polls
has taken a little too much heat in this regard.
He was Matt Ryan's offensive lineman at BC. He is
a former offensive lineman. He was on a practice squad
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in the NFL as an offensive lineman. His first ever
first rounds pick because the first year he didn't have
a first round pick because the previous regime had traded
one away to acquire justin fields. So his first year,
his first raft, he had two second round picks and
he took Kyler Gordon and Jakwan Brisker, who are both
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starting players in the secondary. And then the next year
when he had the ninth overall pick. He traded down
one spot, passed up Jalen Carter. I disagreed with it,
but he didn't think the organization was ready for the headache.
And he took Darnell Wright, who looks like he's going
to be the right tackle for the team for ten years.
Maybe not an All Pro, but he looks damn good.
But he he's going to get as And some of
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the draft people were like, should it have been Broderick Jones,
the guy who went I think seventeen to the Steelers,
who wasn't able to start for a year plus and
definitely is not guaranteed to be a ten year starter
in the NFL. And then so I think first time
he had a first round pick, he drafted a tackle.
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He gave Nate Davis money. Nate Davis had a pretty
good reputation. Mark Schlrath has told me that he's like,
Nate Davis was one of my favorite guards in the
NFL when he was in Tennessee Atlanta. Taper off a
little bit, Bear's paid him, and it looks like Nate
Davis got paid and stopped trying. Yeah, but it's not
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like that guy didn't have good tape, and it's not
like people didn't like him, and it's not like that
wasn't a significant investment in the offensive line. Tevin Jenkins
was a former second round pick as a tackle who
he moved to left guard Ryan Poles did, and he
was a better guard than tackle, but then he got
hurt and he can't stay on the field and he
never invested in center, which was has been a disaster.
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That Bears literally haven't had a good center since Olin Krutz,
and left tackle is Braxton Jones, who I would not
say is good, but I would also not says bad.
He's a replacement level player that Ryan Poles drafted in
the fifth round out of Southern Utah. That's a draft win.
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What happened last year was a mediocre offensive line got
hurt with a rookie quarterback, and you fired your play
caller and your head coach so you couldn't scheme around it.
The offensive line was a disaster year. Your quarterback got
hit sixty eight times, and it became a fire alarm,
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like this is we are going to get Kayleb Williams killed.
We are like, really with David Carr level of sabotage
here if we don't overhaul it. So that's long winded
and maybe a little bit more in the weeds than
people that don't follow the Bears want to know. But like,
I don't think it's that Ryan Poles doesn't prioritize the
offensive line. I think it's that when he took over,
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he had such limited resources with draft capital that it
took a while. And last year was never supposed to
be a good offensive line, but it wasn't supposed to
be that bad. And I think that anybody would have
spent on the offensive line this offseason, but Ben Johnson
kind of turbo charged it, and so he gets credit
(06:39):
for it. But I can't. I have a hard time
believing that. A smart guy who came up under Brett Vick, who,
by the way, I'll add one more detail. He was
the director of college personnel in Kansas City when they
lost that Super Bowl to Tampa, and in the off
season they signed Jokes, they drafted Creed Humphrey, and they
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drafted Tray Smith. Creed Humphrey now set the market at center,
Trey Smith set the market at guard, and now Joe
Tooney's a Bear, and he was an All Pro for
a couple of years in Kansas City. So he was
in Kansas City when Mahomes got killed in a Super Bowl,
they brought in three new offensive linemen. He's the GM.
In Chicago, when KAYLEB Williams got killed, they brought in
three offensive linemen, one of whom is literally the same
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guy they brought in Kansas City. So I think Ryan
Pohls knows about the offensive line, cares about the offensive line,
prioritizes the offensive line. He just made a couple of
bad mistakes. Nate Davis most principally not investing in a
real center probably right behind it, and he underestimated how
little depth he had to protect Kayla Williams last year.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You know, it's it's interesting about you know, as I
you know, moved my operations primarily here in the next
six weeks, primarily to Chicago.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
How bad all the teams are?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, yet either the Bulls have led the NBA in
attendance three or four straight years. So the passion the bears,
the passion the Bulls people, I don't have it completely
committed to that. I mean, the Bulls have led the
attendance like twenty of the last twenty five years since
I mean, it's legitimately crazy, Like I can look it
up or one of your producers can look up.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Since Jordan left, like nineteen ninety nine till now, they've
literally led the NBA in attendance more than eighty percent
of the years. It's insane. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, So it's a sports town that has it's the
opposite of Los Angeles. In LA, our owners are the richest,
Steve Balmer, Stan Cronkey. In Chicago there's some of the
poorest are Our owners are in there sort of earning prime.
A lot of the Chicago ones outside of rickets are not.
(08:52):
Our teams are all hyper aggressive, and we have star
coaches everywhere. You know, Chicago does not. The difference is
in Los Angeles, if teams aren't really good, people stop going.
In Chicago they don't. So I've always said, and you've
never lived in LA, but I've always said LA it's
(09:16):
a double edged sword, is that you have to be
aggressive because our weather's so good, We've got beaches, and
Vegas is so close. Like people just say we're not interested,
Like the Dodgers are great, and they're like, yeah, we
just won the World Series. We're going to spend four
hundred and fifty million more and put one hundred and
fifty into our clubhouse. Because in Los Angeles it's like
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people move on. I mean, Steve Balmer was rolling, he
builds a new facility, people are like, yeah, Lucas in town,
there's other stuff, Whereas in Chicago there and I haven't
been there enough, but there, I feel like there is
a real pride in the city. People in Chicago kind
of kind of look at you sideways. If you even
(09:59):
mention the weather, It's like, yeah, you know our winners,
you wear a coat. It's just funny. I feel like
I'm moving to a city that is sort of diametrically
different in terms of ownership, teams, star power, and loyalty.
And I do think LA is a great sports town.
It's better than Miami, which also has beaches and weather.
(10:21):
But people here are really really distracted in Los Angeles,
and they're not as much in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I think that you're one hundred percent spot on. I like,
there's not a ton to add. I mean, I can
go deep on like any of those topics. But like
you know, Jerry Reinsdorf owns the bulls in the White
Sox and he cares way more about the White Sox
than the Bulls. His son, Michael Reinstore basically runs the Bulls,
(10:48):
but both teams have a bunch of minority partners. He
doesn't own over fifty percent of them. It's just it's
like a bunch of rich guys that own one percent
five percent, and they cobble it together and they go
from there. And he, you know, it looks like he's
getting right, even though he loves baseball, but he's the
diehard baseball fan. He hates spending money they have. There's
(11:13):
a crazy thing going around Ishpia. You know, the guys
who on the sode you know, yeah, yeah, they're apparently
they're apparently buying up minority ownership in the White Sox
and they're reportedly in line to be next. Yeah, and
White Sox fans are cautiously optimistic because there's this like
(11:34):
funny thing going around Chicago in the you know, in
one of the towns in the north shore of Chicago
where I was from, where a lot of the wealth
in Chicago lives, like on Lake Michigan, Ishpia is building
a mega mansion on Lake Michigan that is estimated to
be worth more than any single contract with the White
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Sox have ever given out in team history. It's estimated
to be like aet eighty six million dollar mega mansion compound.
And I believe the largest contract the White Sox have
ever given out is still the seventy five million dollars
because it was Yasmani Grondal and then it was the
left fielder whose name I can't remember because the White
Sox are terrible, but the biggest one ever is seventy
five million. The Cubs ownership and the Cubs organization is excellent.
(12:24):
They frustrate some people because they are top ten and
spending and people think they should be top three. But
they make a ton of money and they spend them
a lot of money, but they don't really operate.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
People and people I know in and out of Chicago,
like the Rickets.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Tom Ricketts. Tom Ricketts is as normal of a billionaire, like, yeah,
he sits. He doesn't sit in the suite even though
he has won most of the games. He sits in
the second row or the first row behind the Hubs
on deck circle, and he shakes hands and takes pictures
and signs autographs, and you know, the Cubs make a
(13:01):
lot of money, and they put a lot of money
into the team. They break even, is like what they say.
But the rest of the ownership is pretty brutal. It's
pretty brutal. The mccaskee family wealth is all the bears,
and there's a million of them, so in terms of
kids and grandkids, and so they don't all want to
be in it. And yeah, Chicago is an amazing city.
(13:22):
And you mentioned like the pride thing, like pride in
the city. I've only I listened. I've lived in New
York where there's a ton of pride, Kansas City a
ton of pride, Syracuse college Town, and Chicago. That's where
I've lived. I've traveled all over the world, So I
am definitely bias. Chicago's my home. But people in Chicago,
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chicagoan's man. They take so much pride in the city,
the people, the neighborhoods, being Chicago tough but Midwest nice,
capital of the Midwest. And it's said that like Chicago
became a like political lightning rod word for people around,
like the gun debate and all of these things when
it's so unfair and we don't have to get into it.
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We can, but we don't have to get into it.
And so I think that also kind of like hypercharged
Chicagoans in the last call it ten plus years, where
it's like, we know, we got some problems, and we
know we have some gun violence and some poverty, and
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we got problems, but we have a lot of hard
working Chicagoans who are working on it and caring about
it and not moving out of the city and doing it.
And it just seemed like people were who don't give
a shit about Chicago at all, We're using it to
score cheap political points. And I think that even though
the city's always had a tremendous amount of pride, in
the last just how is our political cycle and the
(14:47):
Internet has like polarized us even more. I think it's
like rallied Chicagoans together even more to have like a
tremendous amount of pride and like protectiveness over the city.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, I mean, I think I have pretty good taste,
and my wife's got remarkable taste. Is I mean, our
favorite North American city is Chicago. The people I know
that live in Chicago, it's one eight. It's been the
best city in America, like eight straight years. Conde nas
like it's great. I always said this, if the parents
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were the federal government and all fifty states were kids,
California is the best looking and the richest and gets
the most criticism. They have to literally pay into the
federal government every year because they make so much money.
Like twenty eight of the states are more need a
check to pay their bills, and those are the states
(15:41):
that often criticize the good looking kid in the family,
California more. And the second most criticized state is Chicago,
which gets voted best North American city over and over.
So you know, I've always said this that you know
I've traveled abroad. Mom was British. London is my favorite
place on earth. And then you know, Los Angeles and
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Chicago I love because there are just lots to do.
Some people want to live in small towns. I grew
up with one. It bored to live in hell out
of me. There's just not enough stimulation for me to
each their own. I'm not into hunting, you know, it's
not my thing, but it is. It is funny that
I tell Anne, we keep picking these cities that everybody
(16:24):
tells us are awful, and we absolutely love them.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Chicago in the summer like I'm a year round Yes,
for sure, I'm a year round Chicagoan Like, that's for me,
that's my happy spot. I'm incredibly jealous of what you
have set up right now at our network. I'm incredibly envious.
But there's just something about the world class international city
(16:54):
where you can do anything at any time relative to
some places. It's all so affordable. Yes, it's beautiful. And
while the traffic with the construction right now on the
on the Edens is hillacious, like when they're doing the construction, generally,
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like outside of that, it's pretty easy. Like, it's a
pretty easy it's a pretty great public transportation or lane
you know, or lane roads like in downtown. Yeah, alleys
for like the trash isn't on the street, plenty of
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you know, you can take a train into Midway, into
O'Hare too, Wrigley two White Sox Stadium. Basically you have
a zoo in your downtown. It's awesome. Yeah, Millennium Park
relatively new, beautiful ton of green space. Yah. Done. It's
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the lake is the water supply to the city. You
have a beach with a skyline behind you and a
fresh body of water.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And by the way, not just a beach. Even my
little area where I live has three public beaches.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah. All the north shore suburbs yeah, well, met Wanetka,
Glencoe are all awesome beaches. Awesome there. Yeah, it's it's
I mean, listen, we could do this for hours. Man,
I get sports, music, culture, food, cost of living, accessibility, cleanliness. Uh.
(18:37):
You can fly anywhere in the world NonStop, you know
what I mean. Fly to Tokyo NonStop, can fly to
Hawaii non stop, can fly to anywhere obviously in Europe,
most places in Asia. It is, it's the best. It's
it's the best. I love it. I love it so much.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But circling back, it is completely polar opposite of Los
Angeles AND's.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh my god. Yeah yeah no. And but listen, I
think that that, like I love you giving Chicago credit
for it. I think that. And we've talked about this
a little bit, like as both just like guys who
love radio and you still do it. Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Chicago,
New York, Philly, Boston, Kansas City. These are great sports
(19:21):
radio towns, great sports towns, and they have a through
line of cold weather like great Sportstown that is warm
weather town are outliers and often you know, like Dallas
obviously Cowboys obsessed. I think Mavericks fans are a little
underrated in the ecosystem of the NBA. Fans like Mavericks
(19:43):
playoff games kind of jump off the screen. But like
it's not it's not a great sports town. Miami, as
you mentioned, not a great sports town. Obviously, La good
sports down, but they can lose interest in those the
cold weather cities. You're not losing interest. You don't lose interest,
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and the people from the warm weather cities like because
there's less to do there. Yeah, that's probably part of it,
but I think there's also just a little bit of
a like, man, we all are alling this together, like
these are our teams. We rep it the city pride,
and so I loved doing local sports in Chicago and
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Speaker 2 (22:00):
You know, we'll talk some free agency here. You know
what's really amazing. So and I always give NBA executives
a bit of a break. You get maximum these days,
like two years of college tape and a guy you
have to go back to high school tape because and
(22:22):
the truth is, you could be at Gonzaga and a
guard Jalen Suggs, and you only face an NBA guard
in your out of conference games. I get very little
to work on. In the NFL, you have often four
years and three years of tape, and there's NFL bodies
everywhere in the big ten in the SEC. I'm getting
(22:43):
NFL dude on NFL dude, multiple years of it. Yet
this is astounding. The hit rate on draft picks, like
playing for a few years is fifty one percent.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's just interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Steve Kai, my buddy, always says, if you can get
three starters a draft like the Vegas Dealer Boom, you're good.
Is that you get to the fourth round and all
my gms or like you get to the fourth rounds
probably not a starter. If you have the right system
and you draft for the system, you have a much
better chance. That's why continuity is so important in this
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league because Andy Reid, I mean even with Mahomes and
Andy Reid and Brett Veach, they have missed on multiple receivers.
Now just think about that. They are I mean Veach's
first or second best GM. Andy's brilliant who can make
anybody work. He got sky Moore wide open in the
red zone in the Super Bowl for a Cats like
the literally nobody on him in a congested area, and
(23:38):
sky Moore didn't work. And I can mention multiple other
receivers there didn't work, and I wonder not to, you know,
catch off guard. But with all the tape, I think
the reason that that draft percentage is so low, and
I think it's harder is because the NFL pension for
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coaches is really good, and there's a lot of money
in this NFL business, and virtually everybody feels like they're upgrading.
I think in the NBA, assistant coaches know, if you're
an assistant under Steve Kerr, you might as well sit
there for years until the job opens, Like right right,
(24:23):
Like theude, everybody knows if you don't have two stars,
you're not going to win. In the NFL, there is
this sense, hey, is I can make this thing work.
I mean, I draft a quarterback every year, and so
every assistant in the NFL, every coordinator, wants to be
a head coach as soon as possible, and it creates
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this transitional league.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And that really hurts drafting. It really hurts drafting.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
And the money now is so great as head coach
that the money is now so great in college and
pro in coordinator job that everybody is trying to upgrade.
It's like being in college with a girlfriend. You're like
just you're looking at everything right, And I feel like
in the NBA, assistants are like, hey man, wait until
(25:13):
you get the right gig, you know. So that's my
take is why this draft number is so low. There's
too much money. I think that that's I think that
there's probably like.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
A lot of factors and that is a good one,
and I think that impacts It impacts everybody. I mean,
it's not the exact same, but we're gonna we're gonna
see it with Sam Donald, like situation matters. It just matters.
He's gonna be worse in Seattle. He's like, oh, like Kobiak,
like similar interestystem, good off, it's good. It doesn't matter.
(25:47):
Donald's gonna be much worse. He's gonna be much worse.
And I know you love him and he's your guy.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But I think he's gonna go twenty four and ten
from thirty five and thirteen. I think he's gonna be
about a twenty three twenty four, ten, twelve touchdowns. He'll
be a He'll be a more athletic, cheaper, younger version
of Gino.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Maybe that's about right, and fourteen wins to seven and
we won't talk about him and he will have gotten paid.
And it's like situation just matters. We do it. We
do it all the time. Like what would have happened
if the Bears would have taken Mahomes instead of Trubisky.
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Would Trubisky have three super Bowls? I don't think so,
but be much better and Mahomes would still be awesome,
But he wouldn't have the MVPs maybe, or he wouldn't
have all of the rings, like we don't. These are
unanswerable sports talk questions, but like situation matters up and down.
So if you want to pinpoint it on the draft,
I'm definitely with you, and I'll go back to Ben
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Johnson in Chicago. Like Ben Johnson was one of the
rare guys who was able to like have job offers
and turn them down because he knew that they were
going to be there again the next cycle. Because he
was like, I've got Laporta and A'manra and Gibbs and
Montgomery and a top two offensive line and a head
(27:11):
coach that everybody loved. Like he knew his stock wasn't
really going to go down. But then, like I wanted
to believe though, when he took the Bears job, I
was like, oh, look at the Bears. Like he turned
job down, turned jobs down two years ago, he turned
jobs down last year. The Bears are the perfect job.
(27:34):
This is amazing. And then when he did the interviews,
he was like, I knew midway through the year that
I was leaving, and the Bears were like the job
that he wanted among the jobs this year. You know,
he was just he was just ready to take a job,
just ready to take a job. And so I think
I don't think this is directly addressing your draft point,
(27:58):
but I think it for all of these guys, rookies,
free agents, assistant coaches. Steve Spagnolo is amazing, Dave Tobe's
amazing is defensive coordinator and special teams coach. They also
happen to coach with Andy Reid, and like they're not
getting head coaching jobs. So Kansas City just benefits from, oh,
you want to hire our offensive coordinator away? Who gives
(28:20):
a shit? We have Andy Reid, but no one apparently
wants to give Steve Spagnolo another head coaching job. That's
just the Chiefs benefit. So the Chiefs benefit from continuity
in more ways even than Mahomes and Reid and Veach.
They benefit from continuity all throughout the coaching staff, and
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that has to have ancillary benefits on everybody draft picks.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
That's why when they miss on sky Moore, he still
can have a touchdown in the Super Bowl. Like they
squeeze the juice out of even their misses. By the way,
the Rams with two to two out will has been
a miss. They've squeezed every ounce an if you would
have had a new coaching staff that have blown him
out and you'd had to the Rams two two at
(29:10):
is a great example. They're bring him back there, like, listen,
we're gonna bring in DeVante, We're going to keep the kid.
We think we got a year to two to win
a super Bowl with Matt, Like, let's just keep the
continuity to two out was a continuity signing.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
That's all he was.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And I think and so it's funny when when people say,
why do you like the Rams so much the last
two years? Gm ops owner, quarterback coach, Like, it's all
the same people. I mean, they go through defensive coordinators,
but it's the same scouts. It's the same people. So
I am my staff at FS one, it's it's I
would argue, in the history of this business sports talk
(29:45):
radio on the radio site, it's the greatest staff ever assembled.
It's an incredible staff. I mean I have writers, I
have guest bookers. My guys are could all have other
jobs and we just have an incredible environment. Now I
don't know about TV shows, you know, Steven A. Smith
could have are thirty people. I don't know how any
but I'm just as in terms of a radio staff
and the humor and the writers and j Max, it's
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an incredible group of people from graphics on down audio.
It's just really strong. And I've told people this before.
They're like, they're like, how long do you think you're
going to do it? And I'm like, I like everybody
so much, and I'm like, it's like and part of
the reason I like it is because I'm quirky and
they all get my bullshit and there's like like that
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and that's why Andy Reid is a barker, but Spags
gets it, Mahomes gets it, Kelsey gets so Andy like
at the end of Philly can wear people out. And
I think it's just one of those things where if continuity,
Like I read a story the other day, fewer Americans
are moving and I'm like, that's actually a good thing,
(30:48):
Like mobility is for the young, Like I don't want
a country where forty year old are like me and
they're bouncing around. It's like it's probably not healthy for families,
Like I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
That it's the stretch was really stressful for mine. I
can tell you that. I'm like we're back to like
we just took a nice family vacation. We're looking forward
to another one this summer, but like together as a
family unit, Like I'm when I get to maybe even
in your spot and we can have some time apart,
(31:19):
that would be fine, But for now it's yeah, it's stressful,
that's fucking So.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I thought it was interesting today where Adam Schefter was
almost annoyed with Aaron Rodgers, where he came out and
said pick a team. So I said this on the
air today, if you ever tell a corporation listen, I
need more time all get back to you. You have
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to have the self awareness to know how that lands
to the corporation, especially if you're in a valuable position.
It's a big fu. You're literally going back thinking what
a what a prima donna. And it's where I usually
tend to think really smart people have excellent self awareness.
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And I wonder sometimes with Aaron is he the rare
smart dude doesn't read the room well? I mean he
he goes on this darkness retreating Green Bay and then
is shocked when they're like take a hike, like how
can you be shot?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But here's the thing with Rogers, and there's a lot
of it. He talks a lot, but do we believe
anything he says, like, what do you mean he said
he didn't have cell service? Like he's like he's like, oh, like,
can you live in Malibu and like a twenty five
(32:42):
million dollar house? You have cell service? Like it was
just I think that he has a lot of narcissism
to him, and he's like, I love the silence. And
then he brought a film crew like what do you
These things are just in conflict with each other. I
just you know what I mean. I think that he
is a so I don't know that he knows exactly
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what he wants. And I think he loves attention, and
I think that he he told Mark Schlareth and Stink
has told the story publicly. He did like a week
sixteen or seventeen Jets game and he stinks that they
talk for almost thirty minutes twenty something was about the
running game because Stink's insane, and he's like five or
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ten minutes was about his future and he's like Aaron
told me point Blake, like, I'm only going to keep
playing if the situation is perfect. Well, now apparently it's
down to the Steelers and the Giants. Imperfect imperfect. Now
at least the Steelers to me makes perfect sense. That
one makes perfect sense. He loves Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin
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loves him. Mike Tomlin. Apparently it's impossible for this guy
to have a losing season. Mason Rudolph, Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky,
Duck Hodges. It doesn't matter. It's for this guy to
have a losing season. So obviously you're hyper relevant. The
fans care. You'll look good in the iconic jersey. You'll
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get to play against Joe Burrow, You'll play against Lamar Jackson.
The AFC North plays the NFC North this year, so
the Steelers host the Packers, they go to Chicago. Aaron
will eat that shit up like that. To me, that
makes sense. He can have an expectation of playing in
a playoff game and maybe winning a playoff game that
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Tomlin hasn't done since twenty sixteen. They're not going to
win a super Bowl, but that makes sense. If he
comes back and he plays for the Giants. It's just
pure vanity. It's just pure I want.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
To Okay, So I'm gonna argue because this was a
discussion today on the show, and I said, because I've
moved so many times that I get a yellow patout
person cons and I said, I'm going to be Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I don't have to move.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I get an offensive coach, I get neighbors and a
really good left tackle, and I'm gonna have more juice
in the building because the coach and the GM are
getting fired or they had lost Nausee Harris in their
left tackle. They're completely toned af to offense. I'm old
and don't want to get hit, and they haven't had
a good line for seven years. I'll have really no
(35:22):
power in the building, and I'm gonna have two guys
that are both gonna demand the ball and neither one
runs a complete route tree. I can make an argument selfishly,
like every time I've ever thought about moving. My take is,
who is my Spengali in the building? Will somebody get me?
Brian Dables work with Daniel Jones, He's worked with Josh Allen.
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Brian Dables been around forever. Man Jeanie calls him one
of his best assistants he's ever known. Like, you go
into a building with a guy you can literally be
on the same wavelength. I mean, Arthur Smith does not
appear to be likable and Mike Tomlin does not appear
to care about offense, and you got two receivers who
want to be ones. I look at Pittsburgh and think
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this is a powder.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Kick to two things. One I could be wrong. I
obviously don't know the man. I don't think he cares
about moving.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
He'll like, come on, he travels to Tahiti in Thailand,
and he lived for fifteen years in Green Bay, Wisconsin,
and you know he'll be fine for eight months in Pittsburgh.
I have a hard time believing that that is going
to be a.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Determining factor for him. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just
I think he'll be fine. He's a very well traveled individual.
He'll have as much power in the offensive side as
he wants. Who knows, maybe he'll fire Arthur Smith and
they'll hire Nathaniel Hackett Like he's an He is the
offensive coordinator in and of himself. I think he loves Tomlin.
(37:02):
I think that they've flirted with each other. They wink
at each other on the sideline. He shouts him out
when he does the McAfee interviews. I think he's got
a respect for him. Conspiracy theory. McAfee today retweeted a
video of Rogers talking about Tomlin from like twenty twenty one.
I think it's happening. I think it's happening. I think
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he's going to announce it on that show. McAfee is
a Pittsburgh guy or a Pennsylvania guy, whatever he is.
He's doing some show in Pittsburgh coming out soon. He's
going it big night act. I don't fully understand the
McAfee universe, but like I think Rogers, who's apparently making
seven figures from the guy, which is amazing, good gig
(37:44):
if you can get it. I think he's announcing that
he's going to Pittsburgh with McAfee at his show in Pittsburgh,
and he's a Steeler. That's what I think's happened, all right,
And you're probably right.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I'm just telling you the stuff that matters to me,
which is, don't have to worry about moving left offensive coach,
great weapon, and I'm going to have power in the building.
I'll get a stay in the building. Where do you
think he wins more football games.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Pittsburgh? Yeah, so I guess. Okay, And this the other
thing I wanted to say to you, And this is
like a like developing more as my media career continues
to just get older or whatever. I root for interesting
powder keg great, awesome. It is so much more interesting
(38:33):
if Aaron Rodgers is in Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin that
you know what point, Like I've said it, I had
our guys work up a photoshop of him in a
Steelers uniform the day the season ended. Like to me,
it's made. Obviously, if Minnesota wants him, that's a better
situation obviously. So I see him holding I can see
him holding out for that. I think they're going to go.
(38:54):
JJ McCarthy will see but and the Steelers would be
on national TV six times. They would be hyper relevant
and hyper interesting, good or bad, good or bad. So
I am if he's gonna play and we're gonna talk
about him and he's gonna suck all the oxygen out
of a room, I would much rather him do it
(39:15):
on a ten or eleven win team than a five
or six win team. So I'm personally am rooting for Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, it's it's interesting, you and I both. That's you know.
I like fresh produce. I'm a chef. Just give me
the best ingredients. That's all I care about.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Jmack last year before the season said Chicago's the most
interesting team, and they were early until they were just,
you know, obviously bad, and then by week like ten,
you're like, Okay, they're not interesting. Let's think about this
the three most interesting teams next year. So I think
this year the Bears are really interesting because if Caleb
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struggles again, he may not be the guy.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
In fact, he's probably not so rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I never think the team is too interesting because it's
going to be ugly and you can't make any stern judgments, like,
obviously Jane Daniels is terrific, he's Lamar Jackson, NFC.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
It's over. We don't have to argue about that.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
So I think Chicago is my most interesting team.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Well, then let's get those weekly hits on the TV
show going Buddy, let's go Chicago. Let me think about
Let me think about this for a second. I mean,
I think Washington's pretty high on the list.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I I will say this, I think Kansas City pulling
back for a year because the offensive line is absolutely
in flux. Their left tackle has never been a starting
left tackle. It's like boys, That's honestly, like having a
Bentley and finding the cheapest insurance on the.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Market for it.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
It's like, now, just just call progressive or something. Okay,
let's not go discount insurance. So I think Kansas City.
I predicted the Niners in Dallas would pull back last
this year.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
They did.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'm gonna say Kansas City is gonna pull back for
a year. Their offensive line is in flux. I mean,
if this kid from San Francisco to left tackle doesn't move. Also,
Joe Tooney may have been the most had more dexterity
than any offensive lineman in the.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
League last year.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
He's gone. So Chicago Kansas City are fascinating. How about
this Green Bay. I loved Jordan Love last year. Gave
me pause. What if Jordan Love struggles this year? Like,
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what if it's about Chicago's better Detroit's really good. As
long as Kevin O'Connell's coaching Minnesota, they're viable. I like,
I really like Jordan Love. And then there were times
I watched them last year and I'm like, oh, I
don't know if the coaching staff right now trust Jordan Love.
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Like I'm not sure they do. So I'm gonna go Chicago,
Kansas City, Green Bay, and and and we'll do four,
I'm going to say, And I don't know how interesting
they'll be. I think New England Vrabel Drake may A
basically at thirty percent new roster. I do think you'll
get Travis Hunter. I think that's going to be a
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pretty damn interesting team. Those are my four Bears, Chiefs, Packers, Patriots.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, so let's revisit this after the draft, because I'm
not at all convinced that the guy that the Chiefs
paid is for sure the left tackle. I think it's
for sure the left tackle now, But I could see
them this is the last year of Kelsey. He's made
it clear. We don't know how much more Chris Jones
(43:28):
has in him. Obviously, Mahomes is going to be there,
and Reed will be there, and they're going to be
good for a long time. But I could see the
Chiefs trading up in the first round for a tackle.
I could see that happening, or end or a tight end. Yes,
I just think I could see a big draft day
(43:48):
move for the Chiefs to try to inject a blue
chip offensive player. So you know where should door Sanders gos?
How far he falls? Is Dion Sanders like coach in
waiting like like that? Does your door Sanders fall to
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twenty one and he goes to Pittsburgh and he goes
to Mike Tomlin and he sits behind Aaron Rodgers then
they're really damn interesting. Or does he go to the
Giants and it feels like a mortal lock that Brian
Davile gets fired and they hired Dion Sanders. Pretty damn
interesting either way. So I think that we're going to
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change a little bit of this out of the draft.
I loved what urban Meyer said on your show. By
the way side, note parenthetical on Travis Hunter. If you
believe cam Ward is a superstar, then cam Ward's the
number one pick in the draft. If you have any doubt,
then clearly Travis Hunter's the number one pick in the draft.
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In my opinion because it's just a value proposition. Like
if you think he can be a Pro Bowl corner,
well that's twenty five million a year. And it he
can also be a slot receiver, well that's fifteen million
a year, even if he's a slot receiver for twelve
snaps a game. So I love it, and so I
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think wherever Travis Hunter goes, his team immediately becomes interesting.
But we's remove the draft from it to get back
to your point. Obviously, I'm with you on the Bears.
I think the Chiefs in an all in situation is
a great pick. The thing that I don't agree with
on the New England point is is that all the guys,
the guys that they added are new but not terribly interesting.
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And while I love Drake May, I think he looks
like Justin Herbert. To me, I was disappointed that they
didn't figure out a way to get him a number one.
He has nobody to throw the ball to. And yeah,
even if the line is better and Morgan Moses upgrades
their left tackle situation, no doubt, Rabel, they spent all
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that money on like Colin Davis and Splaine and Milton Williams,
And I'm like, man, help your quarterback with a rocket arm, please,
Like now I know God who went back to Tampa.
They can't help that. I know the Bengals franchise tagged
T Higgins can't help that. You couldn't beat the fifty
(46:22):
eighth pick for DK Metcalf like Cooper Cuff. Better be
a patriot, like do something to help out Drake May
in terms of pass catchers because he has nothing in
that regard. So to me, they need some weapon to
totally get there, and Green Bay is just not new enough,
like everyone's back Watson Dobbs wis read. They're so young,
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you know, they're so young that there's just not a
lot of turnover there to make them all that interesting. Though,
I'm definitely rooting against Jordan Love and the Packers in general,
just like the Chicago in in me kind of think
who you let doubt? So, I think Washington. The reason
I said Washington while you were thinking about it is
I think Jaden Daniel said the best rookie quarterback season
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of my lifetime. Yes, I think it was better than
Herbert who set the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Record, better than Andrew Luck three Cam Newton, especially if
you look at his third down and fourth quarter numbers.
It's in their Joe Montana his eleventh year in the league,
they let They led.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
The league in fourth down conversions, fourth down with a
rookie quarterback, they led the league. It was it was remarkable,
and then he won playoff. He went to the NFC
Championship game. But the guys who've had amazing rookie seasons recently,
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justin Herbert, it's been up and down.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
C J.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Stroud this past year he won another playoff game. I
don't think it was all his fault. He was staring
at the sky so much as offensive line as the disaster.
Diggs got hurt, Dell got hurt, Nico Collins got hurt
at various points. But c J. Stroud did not take
another step from his rookie year. Well we could say plateaued.
If Jaden Daniels takes another step like the year two
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in the system, year two in the league jump, well,
then he's gonna win MVP. He's that he will win
m VP like Mahomes won m VP his second year
in the league, like Lamar Jackson won MVP his third
year in the league. Second year in a system, like
he will he will be the MVP of the league.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Well, also, if he's great, not dinner up. But if
he's great again, then we have found our top five
quarter corrects. Mahomes Allen Lamar, Burrow, Jaden because we all
like Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
But we're like, well, the line that I think it's ridiculous,
I think it's ridiculous. Still, I Eagle Stans got Eagle
Stans kind of bothered me with this.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
But I don't remember a time most of my life
there have been three great quarterbacks maybe four in the league,
and then it kind of peters out and to have
five first ballot level Hall of Fame talent. If Jayden
comes out and even duplicates last year with much better
players around him, then we've got five first ballot guy.
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And by the way, now I'm moving because of his mobility,
I'm moving Stafford to six. And he I believe he
especially if he could get in that Super Bowl circle
again winner lose, You're gonna have a hard time keeping him.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
All I think Stafford, now that he has a ring,
is pretty I will be shocked if he's not a
Hall of Famer with.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Where I mean, just think about this, He's not far
from his prime. Okay for him to be the sixth
best quarterback in the league, mostly because he doesn't move
and the other guy's move. The NFL, like I've said this,
we're in the golden age of quarterbacking, folks. If he's six,
if Herbert and her seventh, we don't forget about her
(50:06):
at all time. Hi, by the way, do you have
a line to Harbaugh?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Can you like, yeah, can you tell him to throw
a little bit more? Please? Dude? Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.
But you use the Bentley analogy. I know that the
winning went up, and I know the passer rating was
very good, and I know he loves to run the ball.
Can you just from the Football Appreciation Society, don't my guy, well,
(50:34):
my guy justin Herbert not be twenty sixth in the
NFL and attempts again or whatever he was. Please?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Well, they lost Palmer, so now they have lad mcconky.
They need to tie it end in the first round
and a receiver in the third. Like it's one of
those things where and I've said this about Jim Harbaugh,
it's kind of fascinating. San Francisco Yead Michael Crabtree. It
was an online d line physicality. John Harbaugh is the
same way. What's the one thing the Ravens haven't had
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wide receiver talent. They've always been a little shy, the Harbaughs,
it's their nature. He could have taken Michael Thomas, who
he loved. It took Joe Old. It's who they are.
Their DNA is we want to intimidate you, We want
to physically like like listen, they let go of Mike
Williams and Keenan Allen. They kept mosting Khalil Mack. That
was very clear their DNA.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
I know, I just as a guy who loves Justin Herbert,
I want to see the guy throw a little bit more.
What were we just talking about. I'm sorry, I feel
like I lost my train of thought on Oh, but
so Jamee's but Washington. What Houston did off of c. J.
Stroud's rookie year was correct. Oh my god. We have
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a quarterback. He turned our franchise around. We won a
playoff game. We have a ton of cap space and
a stud quarterback who we know we have to pay
on a cheap deal. Let's go all in and Stefan
Diggs was crazy expensive. Daniel Hunter was crazy expensive Hey Mixon,
like Mixon didn't really work. He was fine. It wasn't
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really his fault. The offensive line was a disaster. Diggs
was working then got hurt. Daniel Hunter was fantastic. Washington
is in the exact same spot, and we've now seen
what they've done. Like they debo, we're going to give
Kingsbury and Terry McLaurin and Jade and Daniels, We're going
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to give them a toy and see how it works.
We are going to trade a ton of capital for
one of the best pass blocking left tackles of his
generation to protect our investment. And then they paid kin
Law I think too much money, but they didn't want
to get too much weaker on the defensive line when
they lost Allen and they brought in Kinlaw. So maybe
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they'll do one more trade or for a move or whatever.
But they're going to maintain Catholics. But but we've seen their
moves detackle, left tackle, Deebo Samuel, plus what they had
in the draft, they're better. And Philly got worse. Now,
Philly got worse by design and we know it and
they should because they didn't want to pay Williams one
hundred million dollars so they could pay Jalen Carter one
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hundred and fifty million dollars next year. Philly's top ten
players are still all excellent. They deserve to be the favorite.
But I think that what Jaden Daniels did, and like
year two, does it plateau, does it go down? Does
it go up? Because he's got way more talent and
he should be only more comfortable in the NFL. So
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of the to me, they are very high on my
list of interesting, the division, the teams they play, sleeping vans,
the ownership change, like Washington's very high on my list
of interesting.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, Jade and Daniels the quarterback reminds me of Sean
McVay the coach. Like you're like a month in and
you're like, yeah, he's way ahead of where he should be.
Like McVeigh was going up against good coaches and you're like,
how are they so bad last year? And how are
they like going when he had golf go toe to
toe with Mahomes at the Coliseum, remember because there was
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going to be a game in Mexico, and you're like, okay,
we're looking at maybe the greatest young coach by far
in league history. Maybe John Madden, Sean McVay. You know,
people have said, you guys are getting high on him.
It's like, no, no, Like like I can remember Jordan's
rookie year and it's like, oh, that's I haven't seen that,
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Like the hand size, his just his ability to just
play hard every second on the floor, which urban Meyer
says that about Travis Hunter. It's like sixty fifth snap,
he's literally racing down the field blocking people, like he
has a motor that never stops. I think Jayden Daniels
is one of those, Oh yeah, this is this is
(54:50):
Lamar Jackson. I watched Lamar his first year. He started
week eleven. They got to the playoffs, and I went
and watched him in person. I think it was against
the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
No, I didn't know how to defend him.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
It's like, you know, everybody was like on eggshales, like
don't commit.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
It was the non committal defense like he was. He
was terrifying people. The rookie quarterbacks who have won at
a very high level. You know, Dak Prescott had that
awesome winning rookie season where he didn't really throw any interceptions,
Russell Wilson, big Ben, every rookie quarterback who's won big
(55:31):
in my lifetime. They weren't the reason, none of them
like they weren't, except but chance's my point. That's fine
and luck, but one big like they in the NFC
Championship game. They won nine one score games this year.
(55:52):
He was like fourth quarter comebacks, third down, fourth down passing,
running playoff wins. Now like listen, the counter argument is
nine to one score playoff game, not nine to one
score wins. And they beat Tampa by three in the
wildcard round. They lose that game, we are at least
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having a little bit more doubt about about Jaden Daniels.
But I just I'm I'm not going to invoke Michael Jordan.
But I also was two when Michael Jordan was a rookie,
So I'm not completely dismissing what you're saying, but I
just I'm with you. I'm pretty positive he's great and
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his team should be much better in terms of around him,
when again.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
Well, they won't be in as many one score games.
So the truth is, you go, oh, they were nine
and one in one score games. They will not be
in ten one score games, and so.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
To me, that's that's They're just again the whole premise
was like most interesting. I'm with you on Bears, I'm
with you on the Chiefs, I'm less so Patriots, and
and I know we're just doing this off the top
of our head, but Washington is very, very high on
the list. Trying to think of the AFC team that
you left out, I mean, listen, I think I do
(57:13):
think Harvall Herbert is incredibly compelling. I think they're gonna
win their division. You think they're gonna beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, I think the Chiefs. Listen, I I think, I
mean yeah, I think, I think.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah. But you know, there were static in his ear.
He didn't really have it.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
But I do think to win like they did last year,
they went from the worst defense to like the third best.
It's like, okay, that was all coaching. It was the
exact same players, and you know that they not every
defensive player knew that system. Wrote like some of these
young guys are like, hey man, we are learning on
the fly here. So I just think they also will
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draft as well as anybody in this sport for the
next two years because of Harbaugh's connection to college football.
So I think they're gonna go get four to five
I mean last year they went in the fifth round
and got two corners, Like both can play. It's like, okay,
they're gonna draft different than everybody else. It's the Pete
Carroll out of USC. The first four years they hit
on everybody, Like third, fourth, fifth, sixth, they were hitting
on everybody. It's one of those built in advantages and
(58:23):
I think it will pay dividends again this year.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
Are you a believer in Pete Carroll? This time around?
Speaker 2 (58:33):
There are ceilings with Pete. His fascination with Gino Smith
is his ceiling. He doesn't care enough about quarterbacks as
I don't think. I think the difference between offensive coaches
and defensive coaches in this league is the urgency at quarterback.
(58:53):
I mean Andy Reid's moving off a pro bowler, Yeah,
Sean McVay is moving off Jared Goff. Defensive coaches, you
get me Gino Hey, I can win a lot of
games with Gino, and I think I mean, I mean
Aaron Glenn, Hey, I can win a lot of games
with Justin Field. I think defensive coaches think differently. It's
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in their DNA, and I think Pete looks at Gino
as hey man, he'll he'll complete a bunch of passes,
stay out of trouble. And I just so I think
Pete that's the ceiling for Pete, that that would infuriate me.
Mike Tomlins got a lot of this. He just I mean,
right now Steters don't have a quarterback Ron Revere. In Washington,
I got Sam Howe.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
I think Gino's underrated because he was under pressure more
than basically any quarterback in football the last three years
and still completed sixty eight percent of his passes and
won a bunch of games and threw for a bunch
of yards. So I think Geno's underrated. But he's obviously
not great, and he's older. And I'm with you in
your overall premise. There's obviously a million differences between someone
(59:55):
like me and these athletes and coaches. Obviously that doesn't
need be said, but I'll say it anyway. But one
of the biggest differences beyond the athleticism is I would
be like, I'm gonna go coach against Andy Reid, Sean
(01:00:17):
Payton and Jim Harbaugh and Bo Nicks, Justin Herbert and
Patrick Mahomes, like the right the path to winning seems
borderline impossible. Like borderline impossible. These guys clearly don't think
that way. They clearly have such ego belief confidence. Wherever
(01:00:45):
that line blurs between delusion and confidence, all of these
guys seem to have it. They are the one percent
of the one percent. But like when people like Aaron
Rodgers should go quarterback the Raiders, I was like, I
think he's smarter than that. I don't think he wants
to go to a team with a ceiling that is
seven wins, Like what is the best? And I'm rambling.
(01:01:07):
But when Max Crosby was like, I want to be
a Raider for life, a small part of me I
think less of you. Like it's cool, it's cool, it's admirable.
Your name will be in the Ring of Honor. But
I'm bummed. I want to see Max Crosby in his
prime on a great team. Miles Garrett, it was just
(01:01:29):
about the money. You could have gotten the money without
saying you didn't want to go from Cleveland to Canton.
They were gonna pay you. You said you wanted to win,
and then you're back in football. I want to see
these guys be straight mercenaries and see the best players
in their prime play on the best teams, and I
know that these guys don't run from challenges, but I
(01:01:51):
was like Pete Carroll at his age thinks he can
turn the Raiders into a winner in that division with
no quarterback, Like, I think you're crazy. I think he's crazy. Yeah, well, yeah,
I mean, there's no way he wins big in that spot.
Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Right, He'll argue, we got to play these guys anyway.
If we're any good in the AFC, you're gonna might
as well face them two times, have them have our
kind of you know, I think. I mean, Chip Kelly
told me he looked at the Raiders Chiefs games every
play and he told me we can match up with him.
He goes, if we get a good quarterback, we can
(01:02:34):
match up with him. He goes, We had them beat twice,
So I think, and I do think Kansas City last
year was beeatable.
Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
So I know. Listen, the league is designed for parody,
and a big favorite in the NFL is ten points,
so of course there's there is there is some truth
to it. But you got a cleaner path in the
AFC South. You know, you just like like teams most
(01:03:02):
likely to host the playoff game next year, if you
had to, there's one hundred grand on the table. You
get to pick it up if you're right.
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Buffalo, Buffalo, Baltimore, Houston, Philadelphia, let's see.
Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
I think Ragget, but I think Baltimore and Philly like
at least in those situations, it's like, well, Burrow is there,
Jayden is there, like they there's those. They've real other
teams like Buffalo's the number one pick. Buffalo's won the
division five years in a row. They've got the MVP
(01:03:40):
of the league, They've got the most talent. No other
team is particularly compelling. I think Houston might be my
number two pick. Rest of the AFC South sucks, and
I think Kansas City should still be there. Like I'm
surprised to hear you having the Chargers catching them, But
it's just I would be looking for do I have
a quarterback, like if I was looking for a job,
(01:04:02):
Do I have a quarterback? And do I have a
path to winning? Like a reasonable path to winning? And
I was so I don't think that there is really
one in Vegas. Danny Parkins, that was a good hour anytime, buddy.
This was fun as always. The volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Danny Parkins co host breakfast Ball, the winner of the
mythical FS one NFL Picks Championship. It should be noted
it's just like the USA Today High School Basketball Championship.
It's all mythical, so let's not go crazy on this ship.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It is definitely true that I only made it a
competition between you, me and Nick once I started to
crush it and distance myself off the field. Yeah. So
you know, going into next year, if I start four
and nine, you know, it's just luck. But when I'm
(00:47):
crushing it, it's skilled and you guys are in a
competition you didn't even know you had entered.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, I have had the
last three shows in a row. I've had about as
much fun as I can have at this point of
thirty years doing it. So because I love free agency,
I love the movement. I love when stuff breaks on
the show. You know, I just I sometimes I think,
you know, the audience thinks we love football and football season,
(01:16):
but I actually find it more challenging when the season's
over and we have to sit there for two hours
in the morning and figure out ways to be compelling,
and there's not a lot out there. So this week
it's basically you've got B level players sometimes C plus
players transitioning.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
To bad teams.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And yet I had so much damn fun this week,
and I want to start with the Bears because I honestly,
and I don't remember the last time I thought this.
I it's obvious Ben Johnson now runs the organization because
he basically by acquiring a guard a center, a guard
is telling Ryan Poles, your picks were not good? You
(01:56):
know the organization? Well, that's that's my take is is
are certain coaches. Rabel in New England is running the show.
Belichick for years ran the show. Mcveay's got a lot
of power in Los Angeles, whereas Brett Veat really runs
personnel because Andy Reid doesn't want to do it. Sean
Payton's running Denver. Didn't it feel like to you this
(02:17):
is all Ben Johnson's stamp.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So I've heard you say this, and I think that
you're like eighty five to ninety percent correct. Ben Johnson
clearly now outranks Ryan Poles. And it's not a straight
like who makes more money, but it kind of is.
Ben Johnson makes considerably more money than Ryan Poles, and
obviously Ryan poles Is stock is down and Ben Johnson's
(02:43):
stock could not have been higher. So Ben Johnson has
more say. And the Jonah Jackson move is directly tied
to Ben Johnson. And that was the first move that happened.
They traded a late round pick for a guard from
the Rams who had been a former pro bowler, but
before he was with the Rams, he had been with
the lo and Ben Johnson obviously the Lions have the
(03:03):
best offensive line them and the Eagles in the NFL.
He knows how valuable that is. I think Ryan Polls
has taken a little too much heat in this regard.
He was Matt Ryan's offensive lineman at BC. He is
a former offensive lineman. He was on a practice squad
(03:25):
in the NFL as an offensive lineman. His first ever
first rounds pick because the first year he didn't have
a first round pick because the previous regime had traded
one away to acquire justin fields. So his first year,
his first raft, he had two second round picks and
he took Kyler Gordon and Jakwan Brisker, who are both
(03:45):
starting players in the secondary. And then the next year
when he had the ninth overall pick. He traded down
one spot, passed up Jalen Carter. I disagreed with it,
but he didn't think the organization was ready for the headache.
And he took Darnell Wright, who looks like he's going
to be the right tackle for the team for ten years.
Maybe not an All Pro, but he looks damn good.
But he he's going to get as And some of
(04:09):
the draft people were like, should it have been Broderick Jones,
the guy who went I think seventeen to the Steelers,
who wasn't able to start for a year plus and
definitely is not guaranteed to be a ten year starter
in the NFL. And then so I think first time
he had a first round pick, he drafted a tackle.
(04:30):
He gave Nate Davis money. Nate Davis had a pretty
good reputation. Mark Schlrath has told me that he's like,
Nate Davis was one of my favorite guards in the
NFL when he was in Tennessee Atlanta. Taper off a
little bit, Bear's paid him, and it looks like Nate
Davis got paid and stopped trying. Yeah, but it's not
(04:50):
like that guy didn't have good tape, and it's not
like people didn't like him, and it's not like that
wasn't a significant investment in the offensive line. Tevin Jenkins
was a former second round pick as a tackle who
he moved to left guard Ryan Poles did, and he
was a better guard than tackle, but then he got
hurt and he can't stay on the field and he
never invested in center, which was has been a disaster.
(05:12):
That Bears literally haven't had a good center since Olin Krutz,
and left tackle is Braxton Jones, who I would not
say is good, but I would also not says bad.
He's a replacement level player that Ryan Poles drafted in
the fifth round out of Southern Utah. That's a draft win.
(05:35):
What happened last year was a mediocre offensive line got
hurt with a rookie quarterback, and you fired your play
caller and your head coach so you couldn't scheme around it.
The offensive line was a disaster year. Your quarterback got
hit sixty eight times, and it became a fire alarm,
(05:56):
like this is we are going to get Kayleb Williams killed.
We are like, really with David Carr level of sabotage
here if we don't overhaul it. So that's long winded
and maybe a little bit more in the weeds than
people that don't follow the Bears want to know. But like,
I don't think it's that Ryan Poles doesn't prioritize the
offensive line. I think it's that when he took over,
(06:16):
he had such limited resources with draft capital that it
took a while. And last year was never supposed to
be a good offensive line, but it wasn't supposed to
be that bad. And I think that anybody would have
spent on the offensive line this offseason, but Ben Johnson
kind of turbo charged it, and so he gets credit
(06:39):
for it. But I can't. I have a hard time
believing that. A smart guy who came up under Brett Vick, who,
by the way, I'll add one more detail. He was
the director of college personnel in Kansas City when they
lost that Super Bowl to Tampa, and in the off
season they signed Jokes, they drafted Creed Humphrey, and they
(07:03):
drafted Tray Smith. Creed Humphrey now set the market at center,
Trey Smith set the market at guard, and now Joe
Tooney's a Bear, and he was an All Pro for
a couple of years in Kansas City. So he was
in Kansas City when Mahomes got killed in a Super Bowl,
they brought in three new offensive linemen. He's the GM.
In Chicago, when KAYLEB Williams got killed, they brought in
three offensive linemen, one of whom is literally the same
(07:25):
guy they brought in Kansas City. So I think Ryan
Pohls knows about the offensive line, cares about the offensive line,
prioritizes the offensive line. He just made a couple of
bad mistakes. Nate Davis most principally not investing in a
real center probably right behind it, and he underestimated how
little depth he had to protect Kayla Williams last year.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You know, it's it's interesting about you know, as I
you know, moved my operations primarily here in the next
six weeks, primarily to Chicago.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
How bad all the teams are?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, yet either the Bulls have led the NBA in
attendance three or four straight years. So the passion the bears,
the passion the Bulls people, I don't have it completely
committed to that. I mean, the Bulls have led the
attendance like twenty of the last twenty five years since
I mean, it's legitimately crazy, Like I can look it
up or one of your producers can look up.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Since Jordan left, like nineteen ninety nine till now, they've
literally led the NBA in attendance more than eighty percent
of the years. It's insane. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, So it's a sports town that has it's the
opposite of Los Angeles. In LA, our owners are the richest,
Steve Balmer, Stan Cronkey. In Chicago there's some of the
poorest are Our owners are in there sort of earning prime.
A lot of the Chicago ones outside of rickets are not.
(08:52):
Our teams are all hyper aggressive, and we have star
coaches everywhere. You know, Chicago does not. The difference is
in Los Angeles, if teams aren't really good, people stop going.
In Chicago they don't. So I've always said, and you've
never lived in LA, but I've always said LA it's
(09:16):
a double edged sword, is that you have to be
aggressive because our weather's so good, We've got beaches, and
Vegas is so close. Like people just say we're not interested,
Like the Dodgers are great, and they're like, yeah, we
just won the World Series. We're going to spend four
hundred and fifty million more and put one hundred and
fifty into our clubhouse. Because in Los Angeles it's like
(09:38):
people move on. I mean, Steve Balmer was rolling, he
builds a new facility, people are like, yeah, Lucas in town,
there's other stuff, Whereas in Chicago there and I haven't
been there enough, but there, I feel like there is
a real pride in the city. People in Chicago kind
of kind of look at you sideways. If you even
(09:59):
mention the weather, It's like, yeah, you know our winners,
you wear a coat. It's just funny. I feel like
I'm moving to a city that is sort of diametrically
different in terms of ownership, teams, star power, and loyalty.
And I do think LA is a great sports town.
It's better than Miami, which also has beaches and weather.
(10:21):
But people here are really really distracted in Los Angeles,
and they're not as much in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I think that you're one hundred percent spot on. I like,
there's not a ton to add. I mean, I can
go deep on like any of those topics. But like
you know, Jerry Reinsdorf owns the bulls in the White
Sox and he cares way more about the White Sox
than the Bulls. His son, Michael Reinstore basically runs the Bulls,
(10:48):
but both teams have a bunch of minority partners. He
doesn't own over fifty percent of them. It's just it's
like a bunch of rich guys that own one percent
five percent, and they cobble it together and they go
from there. And he, you know, it looks like he's
getting right, even though he loves baseball, but he's the
diehard baseball fan. He hates spending money they have. There's
(11:13):
a crazy thing going around Ishpia. You know, the guys
who on the sode you know, yeah, yeah, they're apparently
they're apparently buying up minority ownership in the White Sox
and they're reportedly in line to be next. Yeah, and
White Sox fans are cautiously optimistic because there's this like
(11:34):
funny thing going around Chicago in the you know, in
one of the towns in the north shore of Chicago
where I was from, where a lot of the wealth
in Chicago lives, like on Lake Michigan, Ishpia is building
a mega mansion on Lake Michigan that is estimated to
be worth more than any single contract with the White
(11:58):
Sox have ever given out in team history. It's estimated
to be like aet eighty six million dollar mega mansion compound.
And I believe the largest contract the White Sox have
ever given out is still the seventy five million dollars
because it was Yasmani Grondal and then it was the
left fielder whose name I can't remember because the White
Sox are terrible, but the biggest one ever is seventy
five million. The Cubs ownership and the Cubs organization is excellent.
(12:24):
They frustrate some people because they are top ten and
spending and people think they should be top three. But
they make a ton of money and they spend them
a lot of money, but they don't really operate.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
People and people I know in and out of Chicago,
like the Rickets.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Tom Ricketts. Tom Ricketts is as normal of a billionaire, like, yeah,
he sits. He doesn't sit in the suite even though
he has won most of the games. He sits in
the second row or the first row behind the Hubs
on deck circle, and he shakes hands and takes pictures
and signs autographs, and you know, the Cubs make a
(13:01):
lot of money, and they put a lot of money
into the team. They break even, is like what they say.
But the rest of the ownership is pretty brutal. It's
pretty brutal. The mccaskee family wealth is all the bears,
and there's a million of them, so in terms of
kids and grandkids, and so they don't all want to
be in it. And yeah, Chicago is an amazing city.
(13:22):
And you mentioned like the pride thing, like pride in
the city. I've only I listened. I've lived in New
York where there's a ton of pride, Kansas City a
ton of pride, Syracuse college Town, and Chicago. That's where
I've lived. I've traveled all over the world, So I
am definitely bias. Chicago's my home. But people in Chicago,
(13:43):
chicagoan's man. They take so much pride in the city,
the people, the neighborhoods, being Chicago tough but Midwest nice,
capital of the Midwest. And it's said that like Chicago
became a like political lightning rod word for people around,
like the gun debate and all of these things when
it's so unfair and we don't have to get into it.
(14:04):
We can, but we don't have to get into it.
And so I think that also kind of like hypercharged
Chicagoans in the last call it ten plus years, where
it's like, we know, we got some problems, and we
know we have some gun violence and some poverty, and
(14:24):
we got problems, but we have a lot of hard
working Chicagoans who are working on it and caring about
it and not moving out of the city and doing it.
And it just seemed like people were who don't give
a shit about Chicago at all, We're using it to
score cheap political points. And I think that even though
the city's always had a tremendous amount of pride, in
the last just how is our political cycle and the
(14:47):
Internet has like polarized us even more. I think it's
like rallied Chicagoans together even more to have like a
tremendous amount of pride and like protectiveness over the city.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, I mean, I think I have pretty good taste,
and my wife's got remarkable taste. Is I mean, our
favorite North American city is Chicago. The people I know
that live in Chicago, it's one eight. It's been the
best city in America, like eight straight years. Conde nas
like it's great. I always said this, if the parents
(15:20):
were the federal government and all fifty states were kids,
California is the best looking and the richest and gets
the most criticism. They have to literally pay into the
federal government every year because they make so much money.
Like twenty eight of the states are more need a
check to pay their bills, and those are the states
(15:41):
that often criticize the good looking kid in the family,
California more. And the second most criticized state is Chicago,
which gets voted best North American city over and over.
So you know, I've always said this that you know
I've traveled abroad. Mom was British. London is my favorite
place on earth. And then you know, Los Angeles and
(16:03):
Chicago I love because there are just lots to do.
Some people want to live in small towns. I grew
up with one. It bored to live in hell out
of me. There's just not enough stimulation for me to
each their own. I'm not into hunting, you know, it's
not my thing, but it is. It is funny that
I tell Anne, we keep picking these cities that everybody
(16:24):
tells us are awful, and we absolutely love them.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Chicago in the summer like I'm a year round Yes,
for sure, I'm a year round Chicagoan Like, that's for me,
that's my happy spot. I'm incredibly jealous of what you
have set up right now at our network. I'm incredibly envious.
But there's just something about the world class international city
(16:54):
where you can do anything at any time relative to
some places. It's all so affordable. Yes, it's beautiful. And
while the traffic with the construction right now on the
on the Edens is hillacious, like when they're doing the construction, generally,
(17:16):
like outside of that, it's pretty easy. Like, it's a
pretty easy it's a pretty great public transportation or lane
you know, or lane roads like in downtown. Yeah, alleys
for like the trash isn't on the street, plenty of
(17:39):
you know, you can take a train into Midway, into
O'Hare too, Wrigley two White Sox Stadium. Basically you have
a zoo in your downtown. It's awesome. Yeah, Millennium Park
relatively new, beautiful ton of green space. Yah. Done. It's
(18:00):
the lake is the water supply to the city. You
have a beach with a skyline behind you and a
fresh body of water.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And by the way, not just a beach. Even my
little area where I live has three public beaches.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah. All the north shore suburbs yeah, well, met Wanetka,
Glencoe are all awesome beaches. Awesome there. Yeah, it's it's
I mean, listen, we could do this for hours. Man,
I get sports, music, culture, food, cost of living, accessibility, cleanliness. Uh.
(18:37):
You can fly anywhere in the world NonStop, you know
what I mean. Fly to Tokyo NonStop, can fly to
Hawaii non stop, can fly to anywhere obviously in Europe,
most places in Asia. It is, it's the best. It's
it's the best. I love it. I love it so much.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But circling back, it is completely polar opposite of Los
Angeles AND's.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh my god. Yeah yeah no. And but listen, I
think that that, like I love you giving Chicago credit
for it. I think that. And we've talked about this
a little bit, like as both just like guys who
love radio and you still do it. Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Chicago,
New York, Philly, Boston, Kansas City. These are great sports
(19:21):
radio towns, great sports towns, and they have a through
line of cold weather like great Sportstown that is warm
weather town are outliers and often you know, like Dallas
obviously Cowboys obsessed. I think Mavericks fans are a little
underrated in the ecosystem of the NBA. Fans like Mavericks
(19:43):
playoff games kind of jump off the screen. But like
it's not it's not a great sports town. Miami, as
you mentioned, not a great sports town. Obviously, La good
sports down, but they can lose interest in those the
cold weather cities. You're not losing interest. You don't lose interest,
(20:05):
and the people from the warm weather cities like because
there's less to do there. Yeah, that's probably part of it,
but I think there's also just a little bit of
a like, man, we all are alling this together, like
these are our teams. We rep it the city pride,
and so I loved doing local sports in Chicago and
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Speaker 2 (22:00):
You know, we'll talk some free agency here. You know
what's really amazing. So and I always give NBA executives
a bit of a break. You get maximum these days,
like two years of college tape and a guy you
have to go back to high school tape because and
(22:22):
the truth is, you could be at Gonzaga and a
guard Jalen Suggs, and you only face an NBA guard
in your out of conference games. I get very little
to work on. In the NFL, you have often four
years and three years of tape, and there's NFL bodies
everywhere in the big ten in the SEC. I'm getting
(22:43):
NFL dude on NFL dude, multiple years of it. Yet
this is astounding. The hit rate on draft picks, like
playing for a few years is fifty one percent.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's just interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Steve Kai, my buddy, always says, if you can get
three starters a draft like the Vegas Dealer Boom, you're good.
Is that you get to the fourth round and all
my gms or like you get to the fourth rounds
probably not a starter. If you have the right system
and you draft for the system, you have a much
better chance. That's why continuity is so important in this
(23:17):
league because Andy Reid, I mean even with Mahomes and
Andy Reid and Brett Veach, they have missed on multiple receivers.
Now just think about that. They are I mean Veach's
first or second best GM. Andy's brilliant who can make
anybody work. He got sky Moore wide open in the
red zone in the Super Bowl for a Cats like
the literally nobody on him in a congested area, and
(23:38):
sky Moore didn't work. And I can mention multiple other
receivers there didn't work, and I wonder not to, you know,
catch off guard. But with all the tape, I think
the reason that that draft percentage is so low, and
I think it's harder is because the NFL pension for
(23:59):
coaches is really good, and there's a lot of money
in this NFL business, and virtually everybody feels like they're upgrading.
I think in the NBA, assistant coaches know, if you're
an assistant under Steve Kerr, you might as well sit
there for years until the job opens, Like right right,
(24:23):
Like theude, everybody knows if you don't have two stars,
you're not going to win. In the NFL, there is
this sense, hey, is I can make this thing work.
I mean, I draft a quarterback every year, and so
every assistant in the NFL, every coordinator, wants to be
a head coach as soon as possible, and it creates
(24:44):
this transitional league.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And that really hurts drafting. It really hurts drafting.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
And the money now is so great as head coach
that the money is now so great in college and
pro in coordinator job that everybody is trying to upgrade.
It's like being in college with a girlfriend. You're like
just you're looking at everything right, And I feel like
in the NBA, assistants are like, hey man, wait until
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you get the right gig, you know. So that's my
take is why this draft number is so low. There's
too much money. I think that that's I think that
there's probably like.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
A lot of factors and that is a good one,
and I think that impacts It impacts everybody. I mean,
it's not the exact same, but we're gonna we're gonna
see it with Sam Donald, like situation matters. It just matters.
He's gonna be worse in Seattle. He's like, oh, like Kobiak,
like similar interestystem, good off, it's good. It doesn't matter.
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Donald's gonna be much worse. He's gonna be much worse.
And I know you love him and he's your guy.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But I think he's gonna go twenty four and ten
from thirty five and thirteen. I think he's gonna be
about a twenty three twenty four, ten, twelve touchdowns. He'll
be a He'll be a more athletic, cheaper, younger version
of Gino.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Maybe that's about right, and fourteen wins to seven and
we won't talk about him and he will have gotten paid.
And it's like situation just matters. We do it. We
do it all the time. Like what would have happened
if the Bears would have taken Mahomes instead of Trubisky.
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Would Trubisky have three super Bowls? I don't think so,
but be much better and Mahomes would still be awesome,
But he wouldn't have the MVPs maybe, or he wouldn't
have all of the rings, like we don't. These are
unanswerable sports talk questions, but like situation matters up and down.
So if you want to pinpoint it on the draft,
I'm definitely with you, and I'll go back to Ben
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Johnson in Chicago. Like Ben Johnson was one of the
rare guys who was able to like have job offers
and turn them down because he knew that they were
going to be there again the next cycle. Because he
was like, I've got Laporta and A'manra and Gibbs and
Montgomery and a top two offensive line and a head
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coach that everybody loved. Like he knew his stock wasn't
really going to go down. But then, like I wanted
to believe though, when he took the Bears job, I
was like, oh, look at the Bears. Like he turned
job down, turned jobs down two years ago, he turned
jobs down last year. The Bears are the perfect job.
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This is amazing. And then when he did the interviews,
he was like, I knew midway through the year that
I was leaving, and the Bears were like the job
that he wanted among the jobs this year. You know,
he was just he was just ready to take a job,
just ready to take a job. And so I think
I don't think this is directly addressing your draft point,
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but I think it for all of these guys, rookies,
free agents, assistant coaches. Steve Spagnolo is amazing, Dave Tobe's
amazing is defensive coordinator and special teams coach. They also
happen to coach with Andy Reid, and like they're not
getting head coaching jobs. So Kansas City just benefits from, oh,
you want to hire our offensive coordinator away? Who gives
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a shit? We have Andy Reid, but no one apparently
wants to give Steve Spagnolo another head coaching job. That's
just the Chiefs benefit. So the Chiefs benefit from continuity
in more ways even than Mahomes and Reid and Veach.
They benefit from continuity all throughout the coaching staff, and
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that has to have ancillary benefits on everybody draft picks.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
That's why when they miss on sky Moore, he still
can have a touchdown in the Super Bowl. Like they
squeeze the juice out of even their misses. By the way,
the Rams with two to two out will has been
a miss. They've squeezed every ounce an if you would
have had a new coaching staff that have blown him
out and you'd had to the Rams two two at
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is a great example. They're bring him back there, like, listen,
we're gonna bring in DeVante, We're going to keep the kid.
We think we got a year to two to win
a super Bowl with Matt, Like, let's just keep the
continuity to two out was a continuity signing.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
That's all he was.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And I think and so it's funny when when people say,
why do you like the Rams so much the last
two years? Gm ops owner, quarterback coach, Like, it's all
the same people. I mean, they go through defensive coordinators,
but it's the same scouts. It's the same people. So
I am my staff at FS one, it's it's I
would argue, in the history of this business sports talk
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radio on the radio site, it's the greatest staff ever assembled.
It's an incredible staff. I mean I have writers, I
have guest bookers. My guys are could all have other
jobs and we just have an incredible environment. Now I
don't know about TV shows, you know, Steven A. Smith
could have are thirty people. I don't know how any
but I'm just as in terms of a radio staff
and the humor and the writers and j Max, it's
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an incredible group of people from graphics on down audio.
It's just really strong. And I've told people this before.
They're like, they're like, how long do you think you're
going to do it? And I'm like, I like everybody
so much, and I'm like, it's like and part of
the reason I like it is because I'm quirky and
they all get my bullshit and there's like like that
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and that's why Andy Reid is a barker, but Spags
gets it, Mahomes gets it, Kelsey gets so Andy like
at the end of Philly can wear people out. And
I think it's just one of those things where if continuity,
Like I read a story the other day, fewer Americans
are moving and I'm like, that's actually a good thing,
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Like mobility is for the young, Like I don't want
a country where forty year old are like me and
they're bouncing around. It's like it's probably not healthy for families,
Like I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
That it's the stretch was really stressful for mine. I
can tell you that. I'm like we're back to like
we just took a nice family vacation. We're looking forward
to another one this summer, but like together as a
family unit, Like I'm when I get to maybe even
in your spot and we can have some time apart,
(31:19):
that would be fine, But for now it's yeah, it's stressful,
that's fucking So.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I thought it was interesting today where Adam Schefter was
almost annoyed with Aaron Rodgers, where he came out and
said pick a team. So I said this on the
air today, if you ever tell a corporation listen, I
need more time all get back to you. You have
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to have the self awareness to know how that lands
to the corporation, especially if you're in a valuable position.
It's a big fu. You're literally going back thinking what
a what a prima donna. And it's where I usually
tend to think really smart people have excellent self awareness.
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And I wonder sometimes with Aaron is he the rare
smart dude doesn't read the room well? I mean he
he goes on this darkness retreating Green Bay and then
is shocked when they're like take a hike, like how
can you be shot?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But here's the thing with Rogers, and there's a lot
of it. He talks a lot, but do we believe
anything he says, like, what do you mean he said
he didn't have cell service? Like he's like he's like, oh, like,
can you live in Malibu and like a twenty five
(32:42):
million dollar house? You have cell service? Like it was
just I think that he has a lot of narcissism
to him, and he's like, I love the silence. And
then he brought a film crew like what do you
These things are just in conflict with each other. I
just you know what I mean. I think that he
is a so I don't know that he knows exactly
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what he wants. And I think he loves attention, and
I think that he he told Mark Schlareth and Stink
has told the story publicly. He did like a week
sixteen or seventeen Jets game and he stinks that they
talk for almost thirty minutes twenty something was about the
running game because Stink's insane, and he's like five or
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ten minutes was about his future and he's like Aaron
told me point Blake, like, I'm only going to keep
playing if the situation is perfect. Well, now apparently it's
down to the Steelers and the Giants. Imperfect imperfect. Now
at least the Steelers to me makes perfect sense. That
one makes perfect sense. He loves Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin
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loves him. Mike Tomlin. Apparently it's impossible for this guy
to have a losing season. Mason Rudolph, Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky,
Duck Hodges. It doesn't matter. It's for this guy to
have a losing season. So obviously you're hyper relevant. The
fans care. You'll look good in the iconic jersey. You'll
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get to play against Joe Burrow, You'll play against Lamar Jackson.
The AFC North plays the NFC North this year, so
the Steelers host the Packers, they go to Chicago. Aaron
will eat that shit up like that. To me, that
makes sense. He can have an expectation of playing in
a playoff game and maybe winning a playoff game that
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Tomlin hasn't done since twenty sixteen. They're not going to
win a super Bowl, but that makes sense. If he
comes back and he plays for the Giants. It's just
pure vanity. It's just pure I want.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
To Okay, So I'm gonna argue because this was a
discussion today on the show, and I said, because I've
moved so many times that I get a yellow patout
person cons and I said, I'm going to be Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I don't have to move.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I get an offensive coach, I get neighbors and a
really good left tackle, and I'm gonna have more juice
in the building because the coach and the GM are
getting fired or they had lost Nausee Harris in their
left tackle. They're completely toned af to offense. I'm old
and don't want to get hit, and they haven't had
a good line for seven years. I'll have really no
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power in the building, and I'm gonna have two guys
that are both gonna demand the ball and neither one
runs a complete route tree. I can make an argument selfishly,
like every time I've ever thought about moving. My take is,
who is my Spengali in the building? Will somebody get me?
Brian Dables work with Daniel Jones, He's worked with Josh Allen.
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Brian Dables been around forever. Man Jeanie calls him one
of his best assistants he's ever known. Like, you go
into a building with a guy you can literally be
on the same wavelength. I mean, Arthur Smith does not
appear to be likable and Mike Tomlin does not appear
to care about offense, and you got two receivers who
want to be ones. I look at Pittsburgh and think
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this is a powder.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Kick to two things. One I could be wrong. I
obviously don't know the man. I don't think he cares
about moving.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
He'll like, come on, he travels to Tahiti in Thailand,
and he lived for fifteen years in Green Bay, Wisconsin,
and you know he'll be fine for eight months in Pittsburgh.
I have a hard time believing that that is going
to be a.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Determining factor for him. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just
I think he'll be fine. He's a very well traveled individual.
He'll have as much power in the offensive side as
he wants. Who knows, maybe he'll fire Arthur Smith and
they'll hire Nathaniel Hackett Like he's an He is the
offensive coordinator in and of himself. I think he loves Tomlin.
(37:02):
I think that they've flirted with each other. They wink
at each other on the sideline. He shouts him out
when he does the McAfee interviews. I think he's got
a respect for him. Conspiracy theory. McAfee today retweeted a
video of Rogers talking about Tomlin from like twenty twenty one.
I think it's happening. I think it's happening. I think
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he's going to announce it on that show. McAfee is
a Pittsburgh guy or a Pennsylvania guy, whatever he is.
He's doing some show in Pittsburgh coming out soon. He's
going it big night act. I don't fully understand the
McAfee universe, but like I think Rogers, who's apparently making
seven figures from the guy, which is amazing, good gig
(37:44):
if you can get it. I think he's announcing that
he's going to Pittsburgh with McAfee at his show in Pittsburgh,
and he's a Steeler. That's what I think's happened, all right,
And you're probably right.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I'm just telling you the stuff that matters to me,
which is, don't have to worry about moving left offensive coach,
great weapon, and I'm going to have power in the building.
I'll get a stay in the building. Where do you
think he wins more football games.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Pittsburgh? Yeah, so I guess. Okay, And this the other
thing I wanted to say to you, And this is
like a like developing more as my media career continues
to just get older or whatever. I root for interesting
powder keg great, awesome. It is so much more interesting
(38:33):
if Aaron Rodgers is in Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin that
you know what point, Like I've said it, I had
our guys work up a photoshop of him in a
Steelers uniform the day the season ended. Like to me,
it's made. Obviously, if Minnesota wants him, that's a better
situation obviously. So I see him holding I can see
him holding out for that. I think they're going to go.
(38:54):
JJ McCarthy will see but and the Steelers would be
on national TV six times. They would be hyper relevant
and hyper interesting, good or bad, good or bad. So
I am if he's gonna play and we're gonna talk
about him and he's gonna suck all the oxygen out
of a room, I would much rather him do it
(39:15):
on a ten or eleven win team than a five
or six win team. So I'm personally am rooting for Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, it's it's interesting, you and I both. That's you know.
I like fresh produce. I'm a chef. Just give me
the best ingredients. That's all I care about.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Jmack last year before the season said Chicago's the most
interesting team, and they were early until they were just,
you know, obviously bad, and then by week like ten,
you're like, Okay, they're not interesting. Let's think about this
the three most interesting teams next year. So I think
this year the Bears are really interesting because if Caleb
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struggles again, he may not be the guy.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
In fact, he's probably not so rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I never think the team is too interesting because it's
going to be ugly and you can't make any stern judgments, like,
obviously Jane Daniels is terrific, he's Lamar Jackson, NFC.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
It's over. We don't have to argue about that.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
So I think Chicago is my most interesting team.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Well, then let's get those weekly hits on the TV
show going Buddy, let's go Chicago. Let me think about
Let me think about this for a second. I mean,
I think Washington's pretty high on the list.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I I will say this, I think Kansas City pulling
back for a year because the offensive line is absolutely
in flux. Their left tackle has never been a starting
left tackle. It's like boys, That's honestly, like having a
Bentley and finding the cheapest insurance on the.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Market for it.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
It's like, now, just just call progressive or something. Okay,
let's not go discount insurance. So I think Kansas City.
I predicted the Niners in Dallas would pull back last
this year.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
They did.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'm gonna say Kansas City is gonna pull back for
a year. Their offensive line is in flux. I mean,
if this kid from San Francisco to left tackle doesn't move. Also,
Joe Tooney may have been the most had more dexterity
than any offensive lineman in the.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
League last year.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
He's gone. So Chicago Kansas City are fascinating. How about
this Green Bay. I loved Jordan Love last year. Gave
me pause. What if Jordan Love struggles this year? Like,
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what if it's about Chicago's better Detroit's really good. As
long as Kevin O'Connell's coaching Minnesota, they're viable. I like,
I really like Jordan Love. And then there were times
I watched them last year and I'm like, oh, I
don't know if the coaching staff right now trust Jordan Love.
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Like I'm not sure they do. So I'm gonna go Chicago,
Kansas City, Green Bay, and and and we'll do four,
I'm going to say, And I don't know how interesting
they'll be. I think New England Vrabel Drake may A
basically at thirty percent new roster. I do think you'll
get Travis Hunter. I think that's going to be a
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pretty damn interesting team. Those are my four Bears, Chiefs, Packers, Patriots.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, so let's revisit this after the draft, because I'm
not at all convinced that the guy that the Chiefs
paid is for sure the left tackle. I think it's
for sure the left tackle now, But I could see
them this is the last year of Kelsey. He's made
it clear. We don't know how much more Chris Jones
(43:28):
has in him. Obviously, Mahomes is going to be there,
and Reed will be there, and they're going to be
good for a long time. But I could see the
Chiefs trading up in the first round for a tackle.
I could see that happening, or end or a tight end. Yes,
I just think I could see a big draft day
(43:48):
move for the Chiefs to try to inject a blue
chip offensive player. So you know where should door Sanders gos?
How far he falls? Is Dion Sanders like coach in
waiting like like that? Does your door Sanders fall to
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twenty one and he goes to Pittsburgh and he goes
to Mike Tomlin and he sits behind Aaron Rodgers then
they're really damn interesting. Or does he go to the
Giants and it feels like a mortal lock that Brian
Davile gets fired and they hired Dion Sanders. Pretty damn
interesting either way. So I think that we're going to
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change a little bit of this out of the draft.
I loved what urban Meyer said on your show. By
the way side, note parenthetical on Travis Hunter. If you
believe cam Ward is a superstar, then cam Ward's the
number one pick in the draft. If you have any doubt,
then clearly Travis Hunter's the number one pick in the draft.
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In my opinion because it's just a value proposition. Like
if you think he can be a Pro Bowl corner,
well that's twenty five million a year. And it he
can also be a slot receiver, well that's fifteen million
a year, even if he's a slot receiver for twelve
snaps a game. So I love it, and so I
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think wherever Travis Hunter goes, his team immediately becomes interesting.
But we's remove the draft from it to get back
to your point. Obviously, I'm with you on the Bears.
I think the Chiefs in an all in situation is
a great pick. The thing that I don't agree with
on the New England point is is that all the guys,
the guys that they added are new but not terribly interesting.
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And while I love Drake May, I think he looks
like Justin Herbert. To me, I was disappointed that they
didn't figure out a way to get him a number one.
He has nobody to throw the ball to. And yeah,
even if the line is better and Morgan Moses upgrades
their left tackle situation, no doubt, Rabel, they spent all
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that money on like Colin Davis and Splaine and Milton Williams,
And I'm like, man, help your quarterback with a rocket arm, please,
Like now I know God who went back to Tampa.
They can't help that. I know the Bengals franchise tagged
T Higgins can't help that. You couldn't beat the fifty
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eighth pick for DK Metcalf like Cooper Cuff. Better be
a patriot, like do something to help out Drake May
in terms of pass catchers because he has nothing in
that regard. So to me, they need some weapon to
totally get there, and Green Bay is just not new enough,
like everyone's back Watson Dobbs wis read. They're so young,
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you know, they're so young that there's just not a
lot of turnover there to make them all that interesting. Though,
I'm definitely rooting against Jordan Love and the Packers in general,
just like the Chicago in in me kind of think
who you let doubt? So, I think Washington. The reason
I said Washington while you were thinking about it is
I think Jaden Daniel said the best rookie quarterback season
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of my lifetime. Yes, I think it was better than
Herbert who set the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Record, better than Andrew Luck three Cam Newton, especially if
you look at his third down and fourth quarter numbers.
It's in their Joe Montana his eleventh year in the league,
they let They led.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
The league in fourth down conversions, fourth down with a
rookie quarterback, they led the league. It was it was remarkable,
and then he won playoff. He went to the NFC
Championship game. But the guys who've had amazing rookie seasons recently,
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justin Herbert, it's been up and down.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
C J.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Stroud this past year he won another playoff game. I
don't think it was all his fault. He was staring
at the sky so much as offensive line as the disaster.
Diggs got hurt, Dell got hurt, Nico Collins got hurt
at various points. But c J. Stroud did not take
another step from his rookie year. Well we could say plateaued.
If Jaden Daniels takes another step like the year two
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in the system, year two in the league jump, well,
then he's gonna win MVP. He's that he will win
m VP like Mahomes won m VP his second year
in the league, like Lamar Jackson won MVP his third
year in the league. Second year in a system, like
he will he will be the MVP of the league.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Well, also, if he's great, not dinner up. But if
he's great again, then we have found our top five
quarter corrects. Mahomes Allen Lamar, Burrow, Jaden because we all
like Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
But we're like, well, the line that I think it's ridiculous,
I think it's ridiculous. Still, I Eagle Stans got Eagle
Stans kind of bothered me with this.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
But I don't remember a time most of my life
there have been three great quarterbacks maybe four in the league,
and then it kind of peters out and to have
five first ballot level Hall of Fame talent. If Jayden
comes out and even duplicates last year with much better
players around him, then we've got five first ballot guy.
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And by the way, now I'm moving because of his mobility,
I'm moving Stafford to six. And he I believe he
especially if he could get in that Super Bowl circle
again winner lose, You're gonna have a hard time keeping him.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
All I think Stafford, now that he has a ring,
is pretty I will be shocked if he's not a
Hall of Famer with.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Where I mean, just think about this, He's not far
from his prime. Okay for him to be the sixth
best quarterback in the league, mostly because he doesn't move
and the other guy's move. The NFL, like I've said this,
we're in the golden age of quarterbacking, folks. If he's six,
if Herbert and her seventh, we don't forget about her
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at all time. Hi, by the way, do you have
a line to Harbaugh?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Can you like, yeah, can you tell him to throw
a little bit more? Please? Dude? Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.
But you use the Bentley analogy. I know that the
winning went up, and I know the passer rating was
very good, and I know he loves to run the ball.
Can you just from the Football Appreciation Society, don't my guy, well,
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my guy justin Herbert not be twenty sixth in the
NFL and attempts again or whatever he was. Please?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Well, they lost Palmer, so now they have lad mcconky.
They need to tie it end in the first round
and a receiver in the third. Like it's one of
those things where and I've said this about Jim Harbaugh,
it's kind of fascinating. San Francisco Yead Michael Crabtree. It
was an online d line physicality. John Harbaugh is the
same way. What's the one thing the Ravens haven't had
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wide receiver talent. They've always been a little shy, the Harbaughs,
it's their nature. He could have taken Michael Thomas, who
he loved. It took Joe Old. It's who they are.
Their DNA is we want to intimidate you, We want
to physically like like listen, they let go of Mike
Williams and Keenan Allen. They kept mosting Khalil Mack. That
was very clear their DNA.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
I know, I just as a guy who loves Justin Herbert,
I want to see the guy throw a little bit more.
What were we just talking about. I'm sorry, I feel
like I lost my train of thought on Oh, but
so Jamee's but Washington. What Houston did off of c. J.
Stroud's rookie year was correct. Oh my god. We have
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a quarterback. He turned our franchise around. We won a
playoff game. We have a ton of cap space and
a stud quarterback who we know we have to pay
on a cheap deal. Let's go all in and Stefan
Diggs was crazy expensive. Daniel Hunter was crazy expensive Hey Mixon,
like Mixon didn't really work. He was fine. It wasn't
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really his fault. The offensive line was a disaster. Diggs
was working then got hurt. Daniel Hunter was fantastic. Washington
is in the exact same spot, and we've now seen
what they've done. Like they debo, we're going to give
Kingsbury and Terry McLaurin and Jade and Daniels, We're going
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to give them a toy and see how it works.
We are going to trade a ton of capital for
one of the best pass blocking left tackles of his
generation to protect our investment. And then they paid kin
Law I think too much money, but they didn't want
to get too much weaker on the defensive line when
they lost Allen and they brought in Kinlaw. So maybe
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they'll do one more trade or for a move or whatever.
But they're going to maintain Catholics. But but we've seen their
moves detackle, left tackle, Deebo Samuel, plus what they had
in the draft, they're better. And Philly got worse. Now,
Philly got worse by design and we know it and
they should because they didn't want to pay Williams one
hundred million dollars so they could pay Jalen Carter one
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hundred and fifty million dollars next year. Philly's top ten
players are still all excellent. They deserve to be the favorite.
But I think that what Jaden Daniels did, and like
year two, does it plateau, does it go down? Does
it go up? Because he's got way more talent and
he should be only more comfortable in the NFL. So
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of the to me, they are very high on my
list of interesting, the division, the teams they play, sleeping vans,
the ownership change, like Washington's very high on my list
of interesting.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, Jade and Daniels the quarterback reminds me of Sean
McVay the coach. Like you're like a month in and
you're like, yeah, he's way ahead of where he should be.
Like McVeigh was going up against good coaches and you're like,
how are they so bad last year? And how are
they like going when he had golf go toe to
toe with Mahomes at the Coliseum, remember because there was
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going to be a game in Mexico, and you're like, okay,
we're looking at maybe the greatest young coach by far
in league history. Maybe John Madden, Sean McVay. You know,
people have said, you guys are getting high on him.
It's like, no, no, Like like I can remember Jordan's
rookie year and it's like, oh, that's I haven't seen that,
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Like the hand size, his just his ability to just
play hard every second on the floor, which urban Meyer
says that about Travis Hunter. It's like sixty fifth snap,
he's literally racing down the field blocking people, like he
has a motor that never stops. I think Jayden Daniels
is one of those, Oh yeah, this is this is
(54:50):
Lamar Jackson. I watched Lamar his first year. He started
week eleven. They got to the playoffs, and I went
and watched him in person. I think it was against
the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
No, I didn't know how to defend him.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
It's like, you know, everybody was like on eggshales, like
don't commit.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
It was the non committal defense like he was. He
was terrifying people. The rookie quarterbacks who have won at
a very high level. You know, Dak Prescott had that
awesome winning rookie season where he didn't really throw any interceptions,
Russell Wilson, big Ben, every rookie quarterback who's won big
(55:31):
in my lifetime. They weren't the reason, none of them
like they weren't, except but chance's my point. That's fine
and luck, but one big like they in the NFC
Championship game. They won nine one score games this year.
(55:52):
He was like fourth quarter comebacks, third down, fourth down passing,
running playoff wins. Now like listen, the counter argument is
nine to one score playoff game, not nine to one
score wins. And they beat Tampa by three in the
wildcard round. They lose that game, we are at least
(56:13):
having a little bit more doubt about about Jaden Daniels.
But I just I'm I'm not going to invoke Michael Jordan.
But I also was two when Michael Jordan was a rookie,
So I'm not completely dismissing what you're saying, but I
just I'm with you. I'm pretty positive he's great and
(56:35):
his team should be much better in terms of around him,
when again.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
Well, they won't be in as many one score games.
So the truth is, you go, oh, they were nine
and one in one score games. They will not be
in ten one score games, and so.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
To me, that's that's They're just again the whole premise
was like most interesting. I'm with you on Bears, I'm
with you on the Chiefs, I'm less so Patriots, and
and I know we're just doing this off the top
of our head, but Washington is very, very high on
the list. Trying to think of the AFC team that
you left out, I mean, listen, I think I do
(57:13):
think Harvall Herbert is incredibly compelling. I think they're gonna
win their division. You think they're gonna beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, I think the Chiefs. Listen, I I think, I
mean yeah, I think, I think.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah. But you know, there were static in his ear.
He didn't really have it.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
But I do think to win like they did last year,
they went from the worst defense to like the third best.
It's like, okay, that was all coaching. It was the
exact same players, and you know that they not every
defensive player knew that system. Wrote like some of these
young guys are like, hey man, we are learning on
the fly here. So I just think they also will
(58:01):
draft as well as anybody in this sport for the
next two years because of Harbaugh's connection to college football.
So I think they're gonna go get four to five
I mean last year they went in the fifth round
and got two corners, Like both can play. It's like, okay,
they're gonna draft different than everybody else. It's the Pete
Carroll out of USC. The first four years they hit
on everybody, Like third, fourth, fifth, sixth, they were hitting
on everybody. It's one of those built in advantages and
(58:23):
I think it will pay dividends again this year.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
Are you a believer in Pete Carroll? This time around?
Speaker 2 (58:33):
There are ceilings with Pete. His fascination with Gino Smith
is his ceiling. He doesn't care enough about quarterbacks as
I don't think. I think the difference between offensive coaches
and defensive coaches in this league is the urgency at quarterback.
(58:53):
I mean Andy Reid's moving off a pro bowler, Yeah,
Sean McVay is moving off Jared Goff. Defensive coaches, you
get me Gino Hey, I can win a lot of
games with Gino, and I think I mean, I mean
Aaron Glenn, Hey, I can win a lot of games
with Justin Field. I think defensive coaches think differently. It's
(59:13):
in their DNA, and I think Pete looks at Gino
as hey man, he'll he'll complete a bunch of passes,
stay out of trouble. And I just so I think
Pete that's the ceiling for Pete, that that would infuriate me.
Mike Tomlins got a lot of this. He just I mean,
right now Steters don't have a quarterback Ron Revere. In Washington,
I got Sam Howe.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
I think Gino's underrated because he was under pressure more
than basically any quarterback in football the last three years
and still completed sixty eight percent of his passes and
won a bunch of games and threw for a bunch
of yards. So I think Geno's underrated. But he's obviously
not great, and he's older. And I'm with you in
your overall premise. There's obviously a million differences between someone
(59:55):
like me and these athletes and coaches. Obviously that doesn't
need be said, but I'll say it anyway. But one
of the biggest differences beyond the athleticism is I would
be like, I'm gonna go coach against Andy Reid, Sean
(01:00:17):
Payton and Jim Harbaugh and Bo Nicks, Justin Herbert and
Patrick Mahomes, like the right the path to winning seems
borderline impossible. Like borderline impossible. These guys clearly don't think
that way. They clearly have such ego belief confidence. Wherever
(01:00:45):
that line blurs between delusion and confidence, all of these
guys seem to have it. They are the one percent
of the one percent. But like when people like Aaron
Rodgers should go quarterback the Raiders, I was like, I
think he's smarter than that. I don't think he wants
to go to a team with a ceiling that is
seven wins, Like what is the best? And I'm rambling.
(01:01:07):
But when Max Crosby was like, I want to be
a Raider for life, a small part of me I
think less of you. Like it's cool, it's cool, it's admirable.
Your name will be in the Ring of Honor. But
I'm bummed. I want to see Max Crosby in his
prime on a great team. Miles Garrett, it was just
(01:01:29):
about the money. You could have gotten the money without
saying you didn't want to go from Cleveland to Canton.
They were gonna pay you. You said you wanted to win,
and then you're back in football. I want to see
these guys be straight mercenaries and see the best players
in their prime play on the best teams, and I
know that these guys don't run from challenges, but I
(01:01:51):
was like Pete Carroll at his age thinks he can
turn the Raiders into a winner in that division with
no quarterback, Like, I think you're crazy. I think he's crazy. Yeah, well, yeah,
I mean, there's no way he wins big in that spot.
Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Right, He'll argue, we got to play these guys anyway.
If we're any good in the AFC, you're gonna might
as well face them two times, have them have our
kind of you know, I think. I mean, Chip Kelly
told me he looked at the Raiders Chiefs games every
play and he told me we can match up with him.
He goes, if we get a good quarterback, we can
(01:02:34):
match up with him. He goes, We had them beat twice,
So I think, and I do think Kansas City last
year was beeatable.
Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
So I know. Listen, the league is designed for parody,
and a big favorite in the NFL is ten points,
so of course there's there is there is some truth
to it. But you got a cleaner path in the
AFC South. You know, you just like like teams most
(01:03:02):
likely to host the playoff game next year, if you
had to, there's one hundred grand on the table. You
get to pick it up if you're right.
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Buffalo, Buffalo, Baltimore, Houston, Philadelphia, let's see.
Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
I think Ragget, but I think Baltimore and Philly like
at least in those situations, it's like, well, Burrow is there,
Jayden is there, like they there's those. They've real other
teams like Buffalo's the number one pick. Buffalo's won the
division five years in a row. They've got the MVP
(01:03:40):
of the league, They've got the most talent. No other
team is particularly compelling. I think Houston might be my
number two pick. Rest of the AFC South sucks, and
I think Kansas City should still be there. Like I'm
surprised to hear you having the Chargers catching them, But
it's just I would be looking for do I have
a quarterback, like if I was looking for a job,
(01:04:02):
Do I have a quarterback? And do I have a
path to winning? Like a reasonable path to winning? And
I was so I don't think that there is really
one in Vegas. Danny Parkins, that was a good hour anytime, buddy.
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