May 10, 2024 • 37 mins
Ben Askren is BACK to team up with Daniel Cormier for another edition of Funky and the Champ! Jon Jones stole headlines after he pitched the idea of a heavyweight title fight between him and Alex Pereira. DC and Askren debate whether Jones should fight Pereira or Tom Aspinall, and Cormier doubles down Jon making the right move wanting to fight Poatan. Plus, Sean O'Malley and Conor McGregor are beefing publicly, which DC thinks is opening the door for a fight between the two. And don't miss why DC wants to sue Ben Askren!
4:45 - Sean O'Malley and Conor McGregor beef
12:30 - DC wants to sue Ben Askren
14:30 - Jon Jones wants to fight Alex Pereira
23:45 - Manchester PPV for UFC 204
26:45 - Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney aftermath
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Speaker 1 (01:30):
What's up, guys, Welcome to a brand new episode of
Fucky and the Champ. I'm Daniel Cormier. That's been asking Ben,
you know what's you know, what's kind of messed up?
Every time we do the show. Luise goes, can you
see me? And we're like no, So a hundred times
you say no, Luisia off the screen. Today I decide
to go, yes, I can see you. Luise goes, No,
(01:51):
you can't.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So what the fuck was the point of that?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
You you want to know if you're telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So what's the point of him asking? I don't get that, Like,
what's the point of him asking.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He wanted to catch you in a line, which I
think he did.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm gonna punch him whenever I see him at UFC
three zero two.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
In three or three three two?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Which one is that?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Again?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
That's Islam and Dustin in New Jersey and then Connor
McGregor versus Chandler.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
In three or three. Bro, Michael Chandler, he.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Would not believe this, you know, I like, I've been
a little bit skeptical about the fight with him and Connor, and.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yeah, well you know I was going to say it
wasn't gonna happen in twenty twenty three, and you thought
it was gonna happen in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Michael Chandler.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Bro went on the greatest victory tour I've ever seen
in my life. He calls me right as if we're
gonna have a normal conversation, but he's gloating. He's completely
gloating that the fight's happening, been proving me wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But he was.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It was hiding it behind that that that nice Michael
Chandler way, but he was I could tell. He was like, see,
you want to book your dog and say I'm thirsty
for the fight, though I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
It was a wait, so he's gloting. That doesn't mean
he's not thirsty for the fight. That would actually, Michael,
I don't want to roast you here, but that would
kind of prove Daniel's point that you were. In fact,
you didn't get the fight. He thinking that the so whatever, Well,
they haven't made the walk yet. They're close. We're only
what six weeks out?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Maybe yes, yeah, but did you see did you see
Connor pacing back and forth? Dark the foggy dude playing
in the background. He's back Connor McGregor's but you to
see it.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I know I've not seen that. I don't actually dave
he's bad.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Because you didn't watch UFC three oh one.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
No, you never know that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
He honestly nobody did.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
They's gonna whoop your ass. You're getting beat for that one.
You know what Day's gonna make you do. Day's gonna
make you do power slap?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Dude, dude, don't don't do that. Don't do that. Don't
do How much?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
How much would I have to pay you to do
power slap?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I almost did power slap? I'm interested now you did not?
You almost did power slap.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I almost did power slap, but then scheduling didn't allow
for it to happen.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
But cast you a question about the rules then, because
I don't know the rules, how do you get the determined?
Because it seems like a very very important detail. The
first determined First.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's a flip. I think I think it's a flip
looking to draw.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
But guess what, though, there's a crazy stat that says only.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
About fifty of the first slapper is a winning on the.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
First lap, the first or second.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes, it's like it's not Oh my god, I storted.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I storted, it's not that it's that guarantee to knock
you out, which is crazy. But the one power slap
that I did call was on a way in show
and the slap was boom.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Dude was gone right away.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So is the strategy to like fis with it or
can you's crazy?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Like I watched Boris Griffin catches like Forrest catches, Anthony
Smith catches like they catch.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
They're like the.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Guys they catch, Oh, they catch the people when they fall.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
They're yeah, they're catchers.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
They're like standing behind that has another that has another terminology.
If you say, you know who's the catcher?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
What's that? Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Google it?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
No I'm not Google. No, okay, let me, I gotta
know what that is. What do you mean? Google catcher?
It's a bad it's a catcher, a catcher.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Okay, whatever you say, whatever you say, got it?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh you idiot? What idiotes? Oh my god, I didn't
know that.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I guess I'm thankful, thankful that you didn't know that. Uh,
that's so.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I would have been in some trouble. You trouble.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
It's time to actually get started, because we've bet you
in rambling for the first five minutes.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Well, I thought that's what we did on this show.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
It is kind of what we do and people seem
to like it, so why not? Anyhow, bro? Did you
see all? Right? Now? Now it's getting good? Right. There's
a term, and I don't want to call it hero worship.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
But it's kind of like you idolize this person so
much that you start to try to emulate them because
they did great things. But at some point that shit
may backfire on you, and it backfired on Sean O'Malley.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right, So Sean O'Malley has.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Publicly put Connor McGregor on a pedestal, loves Connor to
be like Connor all that Ryan.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Garcia tests positive for osterin.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, how did Sean catch this stray? That's what can
you explain that?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Don't understand? I Connor Connor releases this statement, he's just
bashing O'Malley.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Why why does he do that? Why does why does
Connor do that?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And that's what I was gonnask you, Dan, I'm because
I actually like, wait, okay, so I understand why. I
understand why McGregor is going after Guscia. I get it right,
even though they were in the locker room together like
acting like buddies, then he goes after him. Yeah, why
I have no idea? Again, But then how does sugar
Sean get looped in there?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Because you remember Sean had tested positive for ostering?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I actually did not that.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah he did. He tested positive ostering, but they said
the levels to.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Which he had it in his system was consistent with
a bad supplement, right, because it's all about like levels,
I guess, So I guess they said the levels that
Sean had in his system was consistent with attainted supplement.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
But he catches this straight. How do you think?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
How do you think O'Malley feels when he has put
him on such a high level in a pedestal.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, I don't know the answer, and I actually thought
they were on good term. How would you feel if
you had asked me? Well, I guess probably like him.
Mike all right, screw you. Uh, I guess, I guess
you're a dork. I'm not. I'm not following you anymore.
I don't know if I ever put anyone in my
life on that much of a pedal sal obviasis as
the people who I think are great, uh, and they're
(08:14):
amazing people. But I yeah, you know, Sean really did
kind of follow him in Connor's footsteps. I don't know,
but he's obviously one of the world title and he's
making a path of his own. Uh. I don't know
about him bumping up two way classes, although Connor is
probably out of his prime by at least a few
years and Sean is, And I think that would be
if if so. Obviously, Connor has to get past Michael Chandler,
(08:35):
but if you were to get past Michael Chandler, that
would be a freaking gigantic fight.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Let me ask you a question. Is that why Connor's
doing it? Though?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Because you can see that this young man is followed
in his footstep and he's becoming such a great star.
Because they say that imitation is the greatest compliment you
can receive. But when you're the biggest star and you
see somebody coming up behind you.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You might go, I don't like this guy.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I want to find a way to him back in
his place, make people choose whether or not is this
guy or the other guy? Do you think that's why
Connor's doing it?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I think that is a definite possibility of a sense
of jealousy or something that he is because Shawn is
kind of on fire. You know, I didn't think he
was gonna be l joeing and he finished him quickly.
He still got to get past Morob, who's the next one?
And then you know who else is lurking and he
finally got to fight it out, but he hadn't thought
a while was Umar Nomega Metov. Yeah, he's kind of
(09:27):
lurking in that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Division, of course, Sandi, and also very dangerous. Yes, who
do you think? Who do you think in that weight
class can actually beat Sean l?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Mau Well? I mean I think Morob's obvious.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
He's do you think can beat him so much smaller?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
He's so much smaller, bro, Yeah, I don't know, but
I don't see. I don't see the size is the thing.
I see. As long as he's willing willing to after him,
been able to get past the range, he's gonna take
him down and he's gonna take him over and over again.
And one of the things we did see, and this
may have made Sean better, but Sean did get really
tired at the end of that last fight when Cheetah
(10:03):
kept coming forward and it kind of was maybe not
quite as effective in round four and five as he
was early. And you know, Cheeto doesn't get any takedowns,
So if Morob was able to get takedown to do
some damage, that could be effective. But yeah, could I
see Sean keeping him at range and putting him out, Yeah,
I could see that possibility also.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So let me read you, guys what.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Let me read you what Sean said in response to
Connor McGregor. He said, I would just fight him at
fifty five. First of all, he was paid a second
of all, it's Connor. That would be legendary. He's one
of the rare guys I would fight way out of
my weight class. I mean, these guys have pictures together,
Like I mean, Luis is gonna put this in there.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But we got they got pictures together.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But the original response from Sean O'Malley was not nearly
as nice.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
He said Connor's full of that booger sugar. He's on
the internet, he.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Goes the booger sugar, he said, he's on the internet
making a fool of himself.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
When I look at this.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
One, I think, I don't know if you can truly
take econor McGregor rant as personally as you could prior.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Because I cannot, right, I just don't know that.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He's always as present in his mind as he believes
he is, because he goes on these deals and he
deletes it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's one of my biggest pet peeves, Like.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
What really doesn't Why is it a pet peeve? Like
you want people to stand by what they say, Like
if you're gonna say it freaking meaning yes.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yes, like you say it right, leave it there?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Plus plus Ben, how often do you get to hide
behind the deleted tweet?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I have no idea why people always screenshot It's once
you hear someone like him, once you put it out,
there's got to be hundreds of people screenshotting it that
literally the second it comes out.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
So it's like Conor knows Connor knows right, or he
has or he should know that the moment he puts.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It out there.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's there to live for because they're gonna grab it
right away. So I'm like, I don't know. And that's
why I believe he's not present. That's why I believe
that he's.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Not like here saying is he doing that he's on
that booger sugar.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I'm not saying he's on. I'm saying that he's not
present mentally, right.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I don't think that he's like because he still believes
that he can delete it and it'd be actually gone.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It's not gone, or.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
He's gone so far in his direction with his character
in these actions that he continues to do it now
because he's like, I've gone this far, I gotta keep
doing it as such because I know that it makes
people talk.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, I mean that is funny when they delete it.
I would always ask someone, I don't believe I've deleted
any tweets. I would like to ask someone who's deleting it,
why would you possibly delete it? Because you know everyone
has it, so why would we do that? You know,
it doesn't really make any sense at all.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
He's so popular, but him and Michael Chandler's happening now,
But the reality is him and Sean O'Malley, them just
fighting about this.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It really does just elevate his fight with Michael Chandler.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Sadly, Michael Chandler once again has to play bride'smaid to
an argument between him and a thirty five pounder.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I don't necessarily love getting like you're playing bridesmaids.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I mean like, I feel like I don't feel like
that's the case. I fel like Michael Chandler and conn
are gonna fight. Oh yeah, I feel like shot.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
People are gonna be talking about this, seany.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I feel like Connor constantly, almost incessantly has something going
on on the side, Like he is constantly picking fights
with somebody, anybody, Ryan Garcia, Oscar dal l Hooya. I
think he's picking a fight with Canelo.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
It's it's like, who's he not picking a fight with?
It's constantly someone. What's that one little guy that used
to that used to fight with him? That's uh suited
him for the whiskey?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Urt Tom Art Tim Tom?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah? Are Tom him and hard Time? He used to fight. Yeah,
that was crazy. Art Time wanted some money off that whiskey.
But does our Tom really believe that McGregor is uh
owes him money based on the whiskey.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
You know what that I wasn't there. I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
What if him? No? Fuck? No dude, you know what's
crazy about that? Ben?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
That's like you and I talking right, and we're like, yo, Ben,
because I mean, I think I said this back in
two thousand and eight in the Olympics. I go, do
when we're done, When we're done, I think you'd be
a great coach. You should open youth academies. Yes I did, Yes,
I did, Yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I not mine listen, So but hey, hey, how about
this though, Ben?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Just because I said it to you at a time
where you probably just kind of passed it off, like
all right, yere's to wrestle, And then when you when
when Max brought it up, and you're like, or you
might have passed said it passing later Max, and then
Max makes the idea you're like, just because you don't
remember where you heard it doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
But that so am I am? I am? I a
part of your business? Should I get paid for that?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I don't know that's what. But if we had some
type of agreement, which I don't know if him and
Artem had some type of agreement they made, have they
might not have. I'm not really certain what Connor is doing.
And obviously Connor might have been under the influence of
something when he made his agreement, But then it's Artem
doesn't have much else going on.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Was literally by.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Making a whiskey, and he goes, man, you should make
a whiskey.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And put this a name that you were there. Well,
I wasn't in the room. But that's what they're saying.
Arms even saying it. He's even saying.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I mean, I gave him the idea pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Here's the thing, bro, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I told you, like I thought you should open asking academy.
Where's my freaking ten percent?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Where's my dollar? Where's my dollar? Are we at five? Now?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I have no seven?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
We have seven academies. No, don't say I me Max, John,
don't say we because I brought the idea to you.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
You don't fucking scream me Ben my reparations, Oh my.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
God, can we talk about Can we talk about your
bestie John Jones? And who's gonna fight? Because he's another
guy that just goes off on Twitter. It's I don't know,
he's another one that I would like to sit down
and ask him, like, what what are you thinking when
you put this out? Because he's essentially what he was
making was a pitch to fight uh Pereira, right, and
(16:21):
it's like and you know, honestly, And the step Ay
thing too, is weird because step A now hasn't fought
in almost four years.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
D he was thirty, he was like thirty eight years old.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah, we wanted to John Jones fight tom aspinall Aspinall's
got the in for a belt. John's got the belt.
It just doesn't make any sense. I freaking make them
fight and then if John beats him, then Perera versus
John for you know, a unification or something to that effect.
But you can't leave tom Asbital sitting over here with
the interim belt.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And now I.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Feel like he's kind of been a little bit at
times since he fought. Like, yeah, I wasn't well, I
wasn't a huge tom assbaall fan, but I was super
impressed by his title fight, and I want to see
this man fight again. Uh. And I hate the fact
that they're making him just kind of sit on the bench.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Ben hold on John Jones. Let me John Jones said that,
and I believe this is just me talking now.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I believe let me reach you.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
John Jones's statement on on on the Alex Perreira All right.
John Jones said that he believes that if he fought Alex,
because of everything that Alex Perrera has done, would be
the biggest fight that the UFC could make.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Are you wrong? Is he wrong? Answer? That? Is he wrong?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I think the answer is yes, because I think people do.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Is he wrong? How's he wrong?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Well, I'm I about to tell you if you don't
shut up. Uh So, I think people view it. I
think people would view it as And this is where
if Alex could be Tom aspinall, he would have to
stop some take down for sure. Right people want to
see him have the ability to stop takedowns, because if
you can't sometimes takedowns, John Jones, he's gonna take you out.
(18:05):
He's gonnaubmit you like we saw. We saw Perera be
taken down by his other Sonya, and he was kept
down for actually a significant portion of time. And it
is kind of wild that we have this guy Pereira,
who is I mean, there's there's no doubt he's making
his mark. As you know, possibly one of the best
ever if he keeps winning, right, and yet we still
(18:26):
have I know you do if you won't express it.
You have questions about his wrestling, like how would he
do against good wrestling, And we don't know because somehow,
you know, Jamal Hill didn't try to takedown Proasca, didn't
try to take down Blackwigs actually did take him down
and keep him down for a round. Yet Strickland didn't
try to takedown on Sonya didn't try like these guys didn't.
They don't try takedowns. So he's won all these fights
(18:50):
I did, So I don't remember the Bruno Silva. I'm
belieing his record. I don't remember the Bruno silvil fight.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Was taking him down. He took him down quite a bit,
but that was curling his UFC career.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, so that was the second one in a GFC career.
But so it's crazy because you know, he got kind
of fast tracked because of his previous experience a ton,
which I have no issue with whatsoever. But then as
he's you know, fought Sean Strictlet and on besides one
round with Yahn he had and Yoahn's not really even
a wrestler, like he possessed some skills, but he's not
(19:20):
a wrestler. He has not fought a wrestler, so we
still have these questions. So if he fights John Jones,
I think there's a chance it's over in like two
and a half minutes. Really, Yeah, I mean, look, what's
John didserro gone? John is a he's a large man,
he's a high level wrestler, He's got great grappling skills. Yeah,
I think I think there's a possibility of that for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Let me let me read you this.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Alex became champion of the Heavy If he came champion
to heavy division, would you guys consider.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Him the goat. That would be three divisions, three belts.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Being back in the gym has got me thinking differently
that fight after Stepe, maybe the next biggest move I
could possibly make. The Killer has already defeated so many
champions is considered a legend of the movie around the world.
The most massive fight that UFC could make give Alex
a chance to avenge all of those Brazilian champions that
I have dealt with. It would be absolutely massive. A
(20:12):
guy with a chance to be a three division champ
and a goat versus the actual goat, same age, different strenths.
No one can argue that this would be the biggest
fight in MMA history. There's no fight that generates a
payday like that. Marketing for it would be insane.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I disagree, dude. I think I actually put tweets out
and I don't read a lot of the comments, but
I think people people view it very similar to me
as John. What John see is that John c's Pereira
as a signally easier opponent than ask All. And for
whatever he said he does, there's no doubt about this
because as guy's big and strong, hits hard, I'll be
(20:51):
tough to take. Annie russells Andy Russells a little bit.
You know, he knows what he's doing on the ground,
and he he seemed Pereire and he's thinking, I get
the same exact that I did this real god same thing.
That's what he's thinking.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I think me personally, I think that while that might
be the case, is it not the smart thing?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
But fighting is fighting, not make the most money and
be as safe as possible. I mean, you fight, He's
fought all the best killer, He's fought all the best killer.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yes, but Daniel, what we just say it?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Then just say it.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Say John saying I want to fight PERI because he's
got two belts, and I think I can.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Say generation generations prior.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
He has fought the best from our generation him and
I sure he fought from the prior generation when he
was a kid. Now he's saying, why do I want
to take on a third generational fighter?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Because that is what Tom Aspinol is.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So I think business wise is about as smart as
he can be.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
They just say that, say that, don't don't, don't let
don't try to freaking what do they call that? When
you make someone thinks something different? I can't remember the
word right now.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You're talking about you're talking about the word. Don't you think.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
He's trying to gas light? Don's gaslighting, not me gaslighting.
You're a little bit. You're taking John's side.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I'm not taking I'm taking a side because I recognize
what he's doing. Hey, when we were fighting John Jones,
right in twenty seventeen at.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Thirty, I was thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
He was a kid, right, he was smart though he
recognized what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
He was fighting all these older guys. Now he's the older.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Guy nine, but he is trying to make the smartest
fight with the least amount of risks. It's like Anthony Smith, right,
Anthony Smith purposely just came on and said it. I
think Alex Perera doesn't have takedown defense. I believe I
could submit Alex Peyra.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I don't know that it's sure, but.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I don't know that it's as easy as they think
it is because he doesn't. Hey, Ben he anti grapples, right,
I've seen you fight a lot of guys.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Who we're talking about prera he anti. Don't give me
anti grapple. If Yon takes you down, and is he
takes you down, John Jones is gonna take you down.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yes, But let me tell you what I mean by
anti grapple. He doesn't engage you. He literally just lays
there and he holds you. He grabs your wrists, holds
you tight. He doesn't try to get up. Every time
I submitted rumble Johnson or somebody, it was because they
turned around to try to get back to their feet.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So didn I choke him.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
But that was all because you're punching them. That was
because you're punching them and they didn't like.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yes, but he never does that though.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
He controls them to the point that they never get
damaged off, so then he never has to try to escape.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But Daniel, we're really smart, is he is? He? And
Yan as ground fighters versus John Jones. John Jones is
one of the greatest ground fighters. Yes, yeah, yeo, I
mean these are these are a little and he's obviously
significantly larger, much larger than both those other two gentlemen,
So yes, yeah, And I guess what he is saying.
Also if if he becomes a heavyweight champion, so that
(24:01):
would mean if he beats tom Aspinall. So I guess
maybe if if Prayer were to beat tom Aspitall, I
maybe would feel a little bit differently about him, because
he's probably stuffed some takedowns. He's gonna have a big,
strong grapp laar, So if that happens, I guess I
would feel differently.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
But the toughest fight and the most meaningful fight in
all the fighting right now is John Jones Tom Aspinall.
I don't even know like at this point if it
should be John Jones and Steve A. Miocic, and I
like Steve bay Steepe is a great guy, but at
that age, with that much time off. Look, I fought
till I was forty one, and I was relatively active
(24:35):
before I had back Sir Jact fall three times in
twenty eighteen when I was thirty nine years old because
I was healthy. But to go that long without a fight,
in the last fight being a brutal knockout into a
title fight against a.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Guy like Jones, I don't know. I don't know what
Steve A looks like today. For four years, he's lived
a life of a normal person.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Sure he may go to the gym and train, but
been because you're in there wrestle with those kids every day,
does that make you a competitive wrestler?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Still? It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It does not, in fact, right like it doesn't Like
can step A still compete at that level?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Is the question?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah? Yeah, and I I it was funny. Honestly, It's
just like we haven't really heard from steep A all.
This is John's challenged everyone on Twitter and Steve stee
I don't know, maybe Steve, But.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Is John challenging everybody or is he challenging Alexa? Not?
In ignoring Tom aspinall.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
He is ignoring Tom.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Tom Aspa is a real problem. Tom Asben is a
real problem.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Let's get tom aspinall a fight already, Like this guy was,
they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Fight in Manchester. They're gonna fight in Manchester. Not imagine
on that's been signed. I thought they're talking about that. No, no, Tom, No,
we're fighting. We're going to the Manchester for a pay
per view. So it's gonna probably be belalling leon And
I imagine they would put tom.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Aspinall get some confirmed.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
He's not confirmed.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
None of it's confirmed. We have no fights, bro hey,
no main of it, no coal Maine of it. No
fights actually, and this.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Child that that ship's at like three am or something.
I don't know why they.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Do the walkout that the main cards hates.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
English people.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
For real? That that two am Ben before.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
The last time Steve even tweeted something was a month ago.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Really, what do you tweat then?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
And him him hitting the bag and then and then
two months ago he had a Valentine's Day with his wife.
He looks like a nice family man, but I said,
he just uh, we're not so much from him.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
What do you think do you think he beats Jones
or no?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I don't know I'm I'm almost like.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
What do you make a heavyweight John Jones?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I don't think that fight even comes together. I want
I told you what I want. I want Aspinall and
I want John Jones. That's what I want. I said that.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Before Aspinall Aspinal Aspinall feels like John Jones is playing games.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
He said it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Aspinall said he feels like Jones is playing games. He's
manipulating people. And uh, yeah, you know, Aspinall's doing the
right thing. I believe he has no idea who will
fight next, because he said that Jones is playing games
with them. But I believe that this kid is the
real deal, and I think this guy is dangerous. So
I don't know. I honestly, I don't know. If I'm
(27:09):
close to Jones, if I'm advising him to fight Aspinall,
I'm telling him try to fight uh Alex Perra.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Before I let you go, Ben, I want to ask
you this.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Ryan Garcia today it was said that he didn't test
positive for steroids.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Now, can.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Guy Daniel, I know you're only fuse old me. You're
kind of like an old guy where you call everything steroids.
I feel like that's an old guy thing. No, wait,
you need more specific.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
They said he tested positive for ostery, which is a steroid.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Sorry, I'm I actually just googled it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
They saying that our banned substance, sorry band s not steroids.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
So you know I's picked on the other day. I'm
gonna pick on him right now. Our boy, Jared Lawrence.
He's guy, an old guy like you. I don't do
you remember this Back in the early two thousands, like
right past, say, ninety nine, two thousand one, they used
to call visits the website hits.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yes, he says that.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
He still calls him hits. It's bad, but he's like seventy.
That's so bad.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He needs to get better. Anyway, listen.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
It said that Dan Rafael reported that Ryan Garcia has
been cleared of a potential positive drug test for the
nineteen nor randosterne metabolite, which derives from the banned substance nandrolone.
He initially tested positive for the metal metabolite, but results
were unconfirmed pending further analysis. Those results are now being
(28:43):
confirmed to be negative. So essentially, I think what they're saying.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Is like.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
He didn't know, but like his b sample wasn't positive.
Have you ever, I mean, has there ever been a
time where the B sample doesn't match the A sample?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
It's the same piss.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I think there was. Well, obviously the Russians and fourteen
were cheating whenever they were slipping the Pitts files through
the window. You ever watched the movie, Yeah, so I
want to say that one because then they went actually back,
they actually went back and found all the real pee.
But I don't I don't know the answer to that.
You know, I don't pay enough attention. You saw that.
I would guess maybe he's happen at some point, but
(29:21):
I'm not certain.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Hey, boxing is a boxing man, Like some shady ship
will happen in boxing, right, I don't think i've ever.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I saw Ryan Garcia with in Ryan Garcia's He's a
He's a different cat man. He was with this girl
and her uh, her friend, and they were like fighting
the allegation and saying it wasn't true. But it was
like it was Ryan Garcia as Ryan Garcia is just
like a really odd type of kid. But boxing does
(30:01):
some shady, shady shit, and it doesn't. It's hard to
be surprised anymore when things that don't normally occur happening
in boxing.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I gotta ask you this one.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And somebody told me this the other day, and I
would not say it and I didn't want to think
about it, but then it made immediately think about Ben
as what I said. I want to ask Ben if
this what he thinks about this?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
All right? Jose although fought last weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
You didn't you didn't watch or you probably paid attention
to results.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, he beat Johnathan Martinez.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Jose although.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Allegedly was offered a fight in Brazil when Glover the
sheriff fought against uh Jamal Hill, but he turned it down.
This time he takes the fight. M I'm flying on
the plane last weekend and some guy then says to me,
(31:00):
you think Jose took that fight because Jusada is not
around anymore?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I was like, and I never really thought about that, right,
But then me, no one are hearing that He had
said no prior this time. He says, yes, you think
that has something to do with it?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Ben, Yeah, I had no idea because I'm not in
UFC anymore, so I don't know what the new testing
protocols are like, I don't know what, it is not strict.
You're not in there either.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So John Jonas, John Jones, John Jones, that lady went
to his house.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
So obviously they're still testing people.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Well they're testing a little bit, but you know, how
how stringent are they the strict You know, does Dana
have some time of access to the results before the
results come out? Because I know obviously you saw it.
Never gave him any of that type of clearance, So
I would say, uh, it's a it's a possibility.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
And also, uh, Jose retired and he was into he
got pulled in the Hall of Fame, right, and so
you know there are some there's a lot of research
say test dog, but.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
He was still boxing. He was still and that was
that was.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Not real ship. Come on. So there's there's a lot
of research that says testosterone is good for you as
you get a little older, and so maybe he just
wanted to live a normal, healthy, robust life. So he
got on a little testosterone and then they asked him
to fight and he said, well, I want to fight
and he said, oh.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
But you also got to sit six months right in Usada.
So maybe it was like the timing before it was
like six months to sit before you can fight in Usada.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Now you don't have to write. He said.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The fight was offered to him in January. He fought
in the April early May, so.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's only three months.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
A lot of reasons. But I mean, I had never
thought about that. So when the guy says that, I
was like, wait a minute, maybe maybe am I wrong
for thinking.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Me it's it's a definite posit definite possibility. I don't
know enough to comment. I don't want to comment on
someone else's testosterone usage.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But but you know, before we go, you uh and
I I went to this place ways too well to
get simselves in Austin for my back.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Correct, you also do it?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Did you do that?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
It's like a nand alone drip or something like that
what he said, it regenerates yourselves.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Oh, I do believe I did that the last not
the first. I'm in there twice. Uh uh, and they
treated me really well. I don't think I did it
the last time. Sorry, I don't think I did it
the first time. I think I did the second time. Yes,
I hated it.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Bro Wait why it made me feel like I was
going to catch a heart attack. That thing was going.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
That was no, that's I've had that. I did not
have that in ways, Well that's oh what is that?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I hated that?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
And you got to slow it down and make sure
I hated that.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
That was the worst feeling in my life.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Try to remember what it is right now. But I've
had I've had hated it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
How did you deal with it?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I slowed to drip down, But then I did my research.
It's kind of expensive, and my research that I did
on my own and said it leaves the boy too fast.
So I felt like a fucking superstar for like three days.
But then it kind of went back to normal, you know,
and it's like I can't be paying all this money.
Just feel great for three days, especially like I'm not
competing or anything. What is it? I'm blanking on what
it is right now? I know I know who to ask.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
It was crazy, like I felt my body going nuts.
I was like stop it, please stop and stop? Okay, bro,
I was like please stop.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I was like it has to stop.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
My fucking brain started to scratch my ears. It felt
like everything my brain was like it felt like my
head was itching. It was like when I would drink
that stuff with all that beta alanine shit in it
and it makes your skin everything like starts tingling.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I imagine. I imagine that's what the Incredible Halt felt like.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Every time he just went from Bruce Banner to the
Incredible Halt, it was nuts more you liked it?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Uh, yeah, I felt I'm trying to remember what it was.
At least it wasn't way as well as somewhere else.
But yeah, I felt like a superstar for like three days.
But then I did read the research and like how
fastive metabolizes to your body, and so like what you
would really need to do, which I don't have access
to and I can't I can't remember what it is.
But you need to get like a small ivy drip
like every other day or something right, because it goes
(35:04):
out of your body so quick.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
And I'm not that rich. I'm not that rich.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Show what you want much, you and I. Hey, so listen,
my lawyers are gonna call you. We need to discuss
the academy.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
We needed to Hey, our time, want our time gets
some money off the vodka?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I want you actually get it?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Do you actually get it?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I have no idea? All right, Ben, I'll let you
get the practice.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Hey, guys, wait, so I gotta ask you one question.
I actually made a video of this on myself. I'm
starting to post a few videos and my own asking
I saw you channel.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Hey, I told you. I told you in the comments.
I only wanted you in front of that book.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Killed I was on Instagram. Yeah, right over there.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
You would look so smart. You look so smart for
that book case.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Stop bullying me. Hey, as an Oklahoma state of lum as,
are you excited that the Magic Man is coming to
still Water? I know you have an ode to John
Smith and John Smith is grade, but now it's the
Magic Era. How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You know what? Bro like? I think it's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You know, I feel terri I feel bad for the
old coaches right because I don't know what's gonna happen
to those guys.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Those are guys I've known for a real long time,
So you feel warm.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
But I've also known David since he was a little kid.
David used to spend afternoons. He used to spend afternoons
when we were ben when we were on the Olympic team.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
That's what I was gonna bring up.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I remember his little last came to dinner with us
one time, and he was like probably fifteen or something.
I know he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
He would sit in my room playing video games with me.
He's always I've always been a kid. So I've known
David for a really, really long time.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And I've got this great photo of him when he
would come to Tulsa Nationals to wrestle, and it's a
picture of him laying on the mat next to the cowboy.
And Uh, he's got his press conference tomorrow, and I
was gonna post that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
It's a he's got a.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Long I think they're gonna do great, and financially there's
a lot of backing behind him, so I think he's
gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
So yeah, it's me good. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I want I wonder for Coleman Scott and see what
Coleman's gonna do, and and Chris Perry and.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
You had to keep Coleman on staff for David, but.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But King, I mean, yeah, that would be hard though,
right Coleman wants to be the head coach there, and
I don't know that you can keep a guy that
wanted the job.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Just as your assistant right away.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But you need to keep a cowboy a date and fixed,
or somebody needs to be on that staff to keep
that that that closeness of the still Water community. All right, guys,
that's me. That's been. We had another great show. We
appreciate you, guys, eyes, We appreciate your views and support.
Until next time, We'll see you on the other side.
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Speaker 1 (01:30):
What's up, guys, Welcome to a brand new episode of
Fucky and the Champ. I'm Daniel Cormier. That's been asking Ben,
you know what's you know, what's kind of messed up?
Every time we do the show. Luise goes, can you
see me? And we're like no, So a hundred times
you say no, Luisia off the screen. Today I decide
to go, yes, I can see you. Luise goes, No,
(01:51):
you can't.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So what the fuck was the point of that?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
You you want to know if you're telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So what's the point of him asking? I don't get that, Like,
what's the point of him asking.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He wanted to catch you in a line, which I
think he did.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm gonna punch him whenever I see him at UFC
three zero two.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
In three or three three two?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Which one is that?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Again?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
That's Islam and Dustin in New Jersey and then Connor
McGregor versus Chandler.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
In three or three. Bro, Michael Chandler, he.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Would not believe this, you know, I like, I've been
a little bit skeptical about the fight with him and Connor, and.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yeah, well you know I was going to say it
wasn't gonna happen in twenty twenty three, and you thought
it was gonna happen in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Michael Chandler.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Bro went on the greatest victory tour I've ever seen
in my life. He calls me right as if we're
gonna have a normal conversation, but he's gloating. He's completely
gloating that the fight's happening, been proving me wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But he was.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It was hiding it behind that that that nice Michael
Chandler way, but he was I could tell. He was like, see,
you want to book your dog and say I'm thirsty
for the fight, though I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
It was a wait, so he's gloting. That doesn't mean
he's not thirsty for the fight. That would actually, Michael,
I don't want to roast you here, but that would
kind of prove Daniel's point that you were. In fact,
you didn't get the fight. He thinking that the so whatever, Well,
they haven't made the walk yet. They're close. We're only
what six weeks out?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Maybe yes, yeah, but did you see did you see
Connor pacing back and forth? Dark the foggy dude playing
in the background. He's back Connor McGregor's but you to
see it.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I know I've not seen that. I don't actually dave
he's bad.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Because you didn't watch UFC three oh one.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
No, you never know that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
He honestly nobody did.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
They's gonna whoop your ass. You're getting beat for that one.
You know what Day's gonna make you do. Day's gonna
make you do power slap?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Dude, dude, don't don't do that. Don't do that. Don't
do How much?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
How much would I have to pay you to do
power slap?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I almost did power slap? I'm interested now you did not?
You almost did power slap.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I almost did power slap, but then scheduling didn't allow
for it to happen.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
But cast you a question about the rules then, because
I don't know the rules, how do you get the determined?
Because it seems like a very very important detail. The
first determined First.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's a flip. I think I think it's a flip
looking to draw.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
But guess what, though, there's a crazy stat that says only.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
About fifty of the first slapper is a winning on the.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
First lap, the first or second.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes, it's like it's not Oh my god, I storted.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I storted, it's not that it's that guarantee to knock
you out, which is crazy. But the one power slap
that I did call was on a way in show
and the slap was boom.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Dude was gone right away.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So is the strategy to like fis with it or
can you's crazy?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Like I watched Boris Griffin catches like Forrest catches, Anthony
Smith catches like they catch.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
They're like the.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Guys they catch, Oh, they catch the people when they fall.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
They're yeah, they're catchers.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
They're like standing behind that has another that has another terminology.
If you say, you know who's the catcher?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
What's that? Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Google it?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
No I'm not Google. No, okay, let me, I gotta
know what that is. What do you mean? Google catcher?
It's a bad it's a catcher, a catcher.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Okay, whatever you say, whatever you say, got it?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh you idiot? What idiotes? Oh my god, I didn't
know that.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I guess I'm thankful, thankful that you didn't know that. Uh,
that's so.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I would have been in some trouble. You trouble.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
It's time to actually get started, because we've bet you
in rambling for the first five minutes.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Well, I thought that's what we did on this show.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
It is kind of what we do and people seem
to like it, so why not? Anyhow, bro? Did you
see all? Right? Now? Now it's getting good? Right. There's
a term, and I don't want to call it hero worship.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
But it's kind of like you idolize this person so
much that you start to try to emulate them because
they did great things. But at some point that shit
may backfire on you, and it backfired on Sean O'Malley.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right, So Sean O'Malley has.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Publicly put Connor McGregor on a pedestal, loves Connor to
be like Connor all that Ryan.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Garcia tests positive for osterin.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, how did Sean catch this stray? That's what can
you explain that?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Don't understand? I Connor Connor releases this statement, he's just
bashing O'Malley.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Why why does he do that? Why does why does
Connor do that?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And that's what I was gonnask you, Dan, I'm because
I actually like, wait, okay, so I understand why. I
understand why McGregor is going after Guscia. I get it right,
even though they were in the locker room together like
acting like buddies, then he goes after him. Yeah, why
I have no idea? Again, But then how does sugar
Sean get looped in there?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Because you remember Sean had tested positive for ostering?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I actually did not that.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah he did. He tested positive ostering, but they said
the levels to.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Which he had it in his system was consistent with
a bad supplement, right, because it's all about like levels,
I guess, So I guess they said the levels that
Sean had in his system was consistent with attainted supplement.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
But he catches this straight. How do you think?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
How do you think O'Malley feels when he has put
him on such a high level in a pedestal.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, I don't know the answer, and I actually thought
they were on good term. How would you feel if
you had asked me? Well, I guess probably like him.
Mike all right, screw you. Uh, I guess, I guess
you're a dork. I'm not. I'm not following you anymore.
I don't know if I ever put anyone in my
life on that much of a pedal sal obviasis as
the people who I think are great, uh, and they're
(08:14):
amazing people. But I yeah, you know, Sean really did
kind of follow him in Connor's footsteps. I don't know,
but he's obviously one of the world title and he's
making a path of his own. Uh. I don't know
about him bumping up two way classes, although Connor is
probably out of his prime by at least a few
years and Sean is, And I think that would be
if if so. Obviously, Connor has to get past Michael Chandler,
(08:35):
but if you were to get past Michael Chandler, that
would be a freaking gigantic fight.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Let me ask you a question. Is that why Connor's
doing it? Though?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Because you can see that this young man is followed
in his footstep and he's becoming such a great star.
Because they say that imitation is the greatest compliment you
can receive. But when you're the biggest star and you
see somebody coming up behind you.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You might go, I don't like this guy.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I want to find a way to him back in
his place, make people choose whether or not is this
guy or the other guy? Do you think that's why
Connor's doing it?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I think that is a definite possibility of a sense
of jealousy or something that he is because Shawn is
kind of on fire. You know, I didn't think he
was gonna be l joeing and he finished him quickly.
He still got to get past Morob, who's the next one?
And then you know who else is lurking and he
finally got to fight it out, but he hadn't thought
a while was Umar Nomega Metov. Yeah, he's kind of
(09:27):
lurking in that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Division, of course, Sandi, and also very dangerous. Yes, who
do you think? Who do you think in that weight
class can actually beat Sean l?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Mau Well? I mean I think Morob's obvious.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
He's do you think can beat him so much smaller?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
He's so much smaller, bro, Yeah, I don't know, but
I don't see. I don't see the size is the thing.
I see. As long as he's willing willing to after him,
been able to get past the range, he's gonna take
him down and he's gonna take him over and over again.
And one of the things we did see, and this
may have made Sean better, but Sean did get really
tired at the end of that last fight when Cheetah
(10:03):
kept coming forward and it kind of was maybe not
quite as effective in round four and five as he
was early. And you know, Cheeto doesn't get any takedowns,
So if Morob was able to get takedown to do
some damage, that could be effective. But yeah, could I
see Sean keeping him at range and putting him out, Yeah,
I could see that possibility also.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So let me read you, guys what.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Let me read you what Sean said in response to
Connor McGregor. He said, I would just fight him at
fifty five. First of all, he was paid a second
of all, it's Connor. That would be legendary. He's one
of the rare guys I would fight way out of
my weight class. I mean, these guys have pictures together,
Like I mean, Luis is gonna put this in there.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But we got they got pictures together.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But the original response from Sean O'Malley was not nearly
as nice.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
He said Connor's full of that booger sugar. He's on
the internet, he.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Goes the booger sugar, he said, he's on the internet
making a fool of himself.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
When I look at this.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
One, I think, I don't know if you can truly
take econor McGregor rant as personally as you could prior.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Because I cannot, right, I just don't know that.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He's always as present in his mind as he believes
he is, because he goes on these deals and he
deletes it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's one of my biggest pet peeves, Like.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
What really doesn't Why is it a pet peeve? Like
you want people to stand by what they say, Like
if you're gonna say it freaking meaning yes.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yes, like you say it right, leave it there?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Plus plus Ben, how often do you get to hide
behind the deleted tweet?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I have no idea why people always screenshot It's once
you hear someone like him, once you put it out,
there's got to be hundreds of people screenshotting it that
literally the second it comes out.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
So it's like Conor knows Connor knows right, or he
has or he should know that the moment he puts.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It out there.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's there to live for because they're gonna grab it
right away. So I'm like, I don't know. And that's
why I believe he's not present. That's why I believe
that he's.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Not like here saying is he doing that he's on
that booger sugar.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I'm not saying he's on. I'm saying that he's not
present mentally, right.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I don't think that he's like because he still believes
that he can delete it and it'd be actually gone.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It's not gone, or.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
He's gone so far in his direction with his character
in these actions that he continues to do it now
because he's like, I've gone this far, I gotta keep
doing it as such because I know that it makes
people talk.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, I mean that is funny when they delete it.
I would always ask someone, I don't believe I've deleted
any tweets. I would like to ask someone who's deleting it,
why would you possibly delete it? Because you know everyone
has it, so why would we do that? You know,
it doesn't really make any sense at all.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
He's so popular, but him and Michael Chandler's happening now,
But the reality is him and Sean O'Malley, them just
fighting about this.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It really does just elevate his fight with Michael Chandler.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Sadly, Michael Chandler once again has to play bride'smaid to
an argument between him and a thirty five pounder.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I don't necessarily love getting like you're playing bridesmaids.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I mean like, I feel like I don't feel like
that's the case. I fel like Michael Chandler and conn
are gonna fight. Oh yeah, I feel like shot.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
People are gonna be talking about this, seany.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I feel like Connor constantly, almost incessantly has something going
on on the side, Like he is constantly picking fights
with somebody, anybody, Ryan Garcia, Oscar dal l Hooya. I
think he's picking a fight with Canelo.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
It's it's like, who's he not picking a fight with?
It's constantly someone. What's that one little guy that used
to that used to fight with him? That's uh suited
him for the whiskey?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Urt Tom Art Tim Tom?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah? Are Tom him and hard Time? He used to fight. Yeah,
that was crazy. Art Time wanted some money off that whiskey.
But does our Tom really believe that McGregor is uh
owes him money based on the whiskey.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
You know what that I wasn't there. I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
What if him? No? Fuck? No dude, you know what's
crazy about that? Ben?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
That's like you and I talking right, and we're like, yo, Ben,
because I mean, I think I said this back in
two thousand and eight in the Olympics. I go, do
when we're done, When we're done, I think you'd be
a great coach. You should open youth academies. Yes I did, Yes,
I did, Yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I not mine listen, So but hey, hey, how about
this though, Ben?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Just because I said it to you at a time
where you probably just kind of passed it off, like
all right, yere's to wrestle, And then when you when
when Max brought it up, and you're like, or you
might have passed said it passing later Max, and then
Max makes the idea you're like, just because you don't
remember where you heard it doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
But that so am I am? I am? I a
part of your business? Should I get paid for that?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I don't know that's what. But if we had some
type of agreement, which I don't know if him and
Artem had some type of agreement they made, have they
might not have. I'm not really certain what Connor is doing.
And obviously Connor might have been under the influence of
something when he made his agreement, But then it's Artem
doesn't have much else going on.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Was literally by.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Making a whiskey, and he goes, man, you should make
a whiskey.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And put this a name that you were there. Well,
I wasn't in the room. But that's what they're saying.
Arms even saying it. He's even saying.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I mean, I gave him the idea pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Here's the thing, bro, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I told you, like I thought you should open asking academy.
Where's my freaking ten percent?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Where's my dollar? Where's my dollar? Are we at five? Now?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I have no seven?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
We have seven academies. No, don't say I me Max, John,
don't say we because I brought the idea to you.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
You don't fucking scream me Ben my reparations, Oh my.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
God, can we talk about Can we talk about your
bestie John Jones? And who's gonna fight? Because he's another
guy that just goes off on Twitter. It's I don't know,
he's another one that I would like to sit down
and ask him, like, what what are you thinking when
you put this out? Because he's essentially what he was
making was a pitch to fight uh Pereira, right, and
(16:21):
it's like and you know, honestly, And the step Ay
thing too, is weird because step A now hasn't fought
in almost four years.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
D he was thirty, he was like thirty eight years old.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah, we wanted to John Jones fight tom aspinall Aspinall's
got the in for a belt. John's got the belt.
It just doesn't make any sense. I freaking make them
fight and then if John beats him, then Perera versus
John for you know, a unification or something to that effect.
But you can't leave tom Asbital sitting over here with
the interim belt.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And now I.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Feel like he's kind of been a little bit at
times since he fought. Like, yeah, I wasn't well, I
wasn't a huge tom assbaall fan, but I was super
impressed by his title fight, and I want to see
this man fight again. Uh. And I hate the fact
that they're making him just kind of sit on the bench.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Ben hold on John Jones. Let me John Jones said that,
and I believe this is just me talking now.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I believe let me reach you.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
John Jones's statement on on on the Alex Perreira All right.
John Jones said that he believes that if he fought Alex,
because of everything that Alex Perrera has done, would be
the biggest fight that the UFC could make.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Are you wrong? Is he wrong? Answer? That? Is he wrong?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I think the answer is yes, because I think people do.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Is he wrong? How's he wrong?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Well, I'm I about to tell you if you don't
shut up. Uh So, I think people view it. I
think people would view it as And this is where
if Alex could be Tom aspinall, he would have to
stop some take down for sure. Right people want to
see him have the ability to stop takedowns, because if
you can't sometimes takedowns, John Jones, he's gonna take you out.
(18:05):
He's gonnaubmit you like we saw. We saw Perera be
taken down by his other Sonya, and he was kept
down for actually a significant portion of time. And it
is kind of wild that we have this guy Pereira,
who is I mean, there's there's no doubt he's making
his mark. As you know, possibly one of the best
ever if he keeps winning, right, and yet we still
(18:26):
have I know you do if you won't express it.
You have questions about his wrestling, like how would he
do against good wrestling, And we don't know because somehow,
you know, Jamal Hill didn't try to takedown Proasca, didn't
try to take down Blackwigs actually did take him down
and keep him down for a round. Yet Strickland didn't
try to takedown on Sonya didn't try like these guys didn't.
They don't try takedowns. So he's won all these fights
(18:50):
I did, So I don't remember the Bruno Silva. I'm
belieing his record. I don't remember the Bruno silvil fight.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Was taking him down. He took him down quite a bit,
but that was curling his UFC career.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, so that was the second one in a GFC career.
But so it's crazy because you know, he got kind
of fast tracked because of his previous experience a ton,
which I have no issue with whatsoever. But then as
he's you know, fought Sean Strictlet and on besides one
round with Yahn he had and Yoahn's not really even
a wrestler, like he possessed some skills, but he's not
(19:20):
a wrestler. He has not fought a wrestler, so we
still have these questions. So if he fights John Jones,
I think there's a chance it's over in like two
and a half minutes. Really, Yeah, I mean, look, what's
John didserro gone? John is a he's a large man,
he's a high level wrestler, He's got great grappling skills. Yeah,
I think I think there's a possibility of that for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Let me let me read you this.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Alex became champion of the Heavy If he came champion
to heavy division, would you guys consider.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Him the goat. That would be three divisions, three belts.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Being back in the gym has got me thinking differently
that fight after Stepe, maybe the next biggest move I
could possibly make. The Killer has already defeated so many
champions is considered a legend of the movie around the world.
The most massive fight that UFC could make give Alex
a chance to avenge all of those Brazilian champions that
I have dealt with. It would be absolutely massive. A
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guy with a chance to be a three division champ
and a goat versus the actual goat, same age, different strenths.
No one can argue that this would be the biggest
fight in MMA history. There's no fight that generates a
payday like that. Marketing for it would be insane.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I disagree, dude. I think I actually put tweets out
and I don't read a lot of the comments, but
I think people people view it very similar to me
as John. What John see is that John c's Pereira
as a signally easier opponent than ask All. And for
whatever he said he does, there's no doubt about this
because as guy's big and strong, hits hard, I'll be
(20:51):
tough to take. Annie russells Andy Russells a little bit.
You know, he knows what he's doing on the ground,
and he he seemed Pereire and he's thinking, I get
the same exact that I did this real god same thing.
That's what he's thinking.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I think me personally, I think that while that might
be the case, is it not the smart thing?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
But fighting is fighting, not make the most money and
be as safe as possible. I mean, you fight, He's
fought all the best killer, He's fought all the best killer.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yes, but Daniel, what we just say it?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Then just say it.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Say John saying I want to fight PERI because he's
got two belts, and I think I can.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Say generation generations prior.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
He has fought the best from our generation him and
I sure he fought from the prior generation when he
was a kid. Now he's saying, why do I want
to take on a third generational fighter?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Because that is what Tom Aspinol is.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So I think business wise is about as smart as
he can be.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
They just say that, say that, don't don't, don't let
don't try to freaking what do they call that? When
you make someone thinks something different? I can't remember the
word right now.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You're talking about you're talking about the word. Don't you think.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
He's trying to gas light? Don's gaslighting, not me gaslighting.
You're a little bit. You're taking John's side.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I'm not taking I'm taking a side because I recognize
what he's doing. Hey, when we were fighting John Jones,
right in twenty seventeen at.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Thirty, I was thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
He was a kid, right, he was smart though he
recognized what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
He was fighting all these older guys. Now he's the older.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Guy nine, but he is trying to make the smartest
fight with the least amount of risks. It's like Anthony Smith, right,
Anthony Smith purposely just came on and said it. I
think Alex Perera doesn't have takedown defense. I believe I
could submit Alex Peyra.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I don't know that it's sure, but.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I don't know that it's as easy as they think
it is because he doesn't. Hey, Ben he anti grapples, right,
I've seen you fight a lot of guys.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Who we're talking about prera he anti. Don't give me
anti grapple. If Yon takes you down, and is he
takes you down, John Jones is gonna take you down.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yes, But let me tell you what I mean by
anti grapple. He doesn't engage you. He literally just lays
there and he holds you. He grabs your wrists, holds
you tight. He doesn't try to get up. Every time
I submitted rumble Johnson or somebody, it was because they
turned around to try to get back to their feet.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So didn I choke him.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
But that was all because you're punching them. That was
because you're punching them and they didn't like.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yes, but he never does that though.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
He controls them to the point that they never get
damaged off, so then he never has to try to escape.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But Daniel, we're really smart, is he is? He? And
Yan as ground fighters versus John Jones. John Jones is
one of the greatest ground fighters. Yes, yeah, yeo, I
mean these are these are a little and he's obviously
significantly larger, much larger than both those other two gentlemen,
So yes, yeah, And I guess what he is saying.
Also if if he becomes a heavyweight champion, so that
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would mean if he beats tom Aspinall. So I guess
maybe if if Prayer were to beat tom Aspitall, I
maybe would feel a little bit differently about him, because
he's probably stuffed some takedowns. He's gonna have a big,
strong grapp laar, So if that happens, I guess I
would feel differently.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
But the toughest fight and the most meaningful fight in
all the fighting right now is John Jones Tom Aspinall.
I don't even know like at this point if it
should be John Jones and Steve A. Miocic, and I
like Steve bay Steepe is a great guy, but at
that age, with that much time off. Look, I fought
till I was forty one, and I was relatively active
(24:35):
before I had back Sir Jact fall three times in
twenty eighteen when I was thirty nine years old because
I was healthy. But to go that long without a fight,
in the last fight being a brutal knockout into a
title fight against a.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Guy like Jones, I don't know. I don't know what
Steve A looks like today. For four years, he's lived
a life of a normal person.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Sure he may go to the gym and train, but
been because you're in there wrestle with those kids every day,
does that make you a competitive wrestler?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Still? It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It does not, in fact, right like it doesn't Like
can step A still compete at that level?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Is the question?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah? Yeah, and I I it was funny. Honestly, It's
just like we haven't really heard from steep A all.
This is John's challenged everyone on Twitter and Steve stee
I don't know, maybe Steve, But.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Is John challenging everybody or is he challenging Alexa? Not?
In ignoring Tom aspinall.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
He is ignoring Tom.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Tom Aspa is a real problem. Tom Asben is a
real problem.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Let's get tom aspinall a fight already, Like this guy was,
they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Fight in Manchester. They're gonna fight in Manchester. Not imagine
on that's been signed. I thought they're talking about that. No, no, Tom, No,
we're fighting. We're going to the Manchester for a pay
per view. So it's gonna probably be belalling leon And
I imagine they would put tom.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Aspinall get some confirmed.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
He's not confirmed.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
None of it's confirmed. We have no fights, bro hey,
no main of it, no coal Maine of it. No
fights actually, and this.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Child that that ship's at like three am or something.
I don't know why they.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Do the walkout that the main cards hates.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
English people.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
For real? That that two am Ben before.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
The last time Steve even tweeted something was a month ago.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Really, what do you tweat then?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
And him him hitting the bag and then and then
two months ago he had a Valentine's Day with his wife.
He looks like a nice family man, but I said,
he just uh, we're not so much from him.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
What do you think do you think he beats Jones
or no?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I don't know I'm I'm almost like.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
What do you make a heavyweight John Jones?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I don't think that fight even comes together. I want
I told you what I want. I want Aspinall and
I want John Jones. That's what I want. I said that.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Before Aspinall Aspinal Aspinall feels like John Jones is playing games.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
He said it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Aspinall said he feels like Jones is playing games. He's
manipulating people. And uh, yeah, you know, Aspinall's doing the
right thing. I believe he has no idea who will
fight next, because he said that Jones is playing games
with them. But I believe that this kid is the
real deal, and I think this guy is dangerous. So
I don't know. I honestly, I don't know. If I'm
(27:09):
close to Jones, if I'm advising him to fight Aspinall,
I'm telling him try to fight uh Alex Perra.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Before I let you go, Ben, I want to ask
you this.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Ryan Garcia today it was said that he didn't test
positive for steroids.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Now, can.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Guy Daniel, I know you're only fuse old me. You're
kind of like an old guy where you call everything steroids.
I feel like that's an old guy thing. No, wait,
you need more specific.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
They said he tested positive for ostery, which is a steroid.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Sorry, I'm I actually just googled it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
They saying that our banned substance, sorry band s not steroids.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
So you know I's picked on the other day. I'm
gonna pick on him right now. Our boy, Jared Lawrence.
He's guy, an old guy like you. I don't do
you remember this Back in the early two thousands, like
right past, say, ninety nine, two thousand one, they used
to call visits the website hits.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yes, he says that.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
He still calls him hits. It's bad, but he's like seventy.
That's so bad.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He needs to get better. Anyway, listen.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
It said that Dan Rafael reported that Ryan Garcia has
been cleared of a potential positive drug test for the
nineteen nor randosterne metabolite, which derives from the banned substance nandrolone.
He initially tested positive for the metal metabolite, but results
were unconfirmed pending further analysis. Those results are now being
(28:43):
confirmed to be negative. So essentially, I think what they're saying.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Is like.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
He didn't know, but like his b sample wasn't positive.
Have you ever, I mean, has there ever been a
time where the B sample doesn't match the A sample?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
It's the same piss.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I think there was. Well, obviously the Russians and fourteen
were cheating whenever they were slipping the Pitts files through
the window. You ever watched the movie, Yeah, so I
want to say that one because then they went actually back,
they actually went back and found all the real pee.
But I don't I don't know the answer to that.
You know, I don't pay enough attention. You saw that.
I would guess maybe he's happen at some point, but
(29:21):
I'm not certain.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Hey, boxing is a boxing man, Like some shady ship
will happen in boxing, right, I don't think i've ever.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I saw Ryan Garcia with in Ryan Garcia's He's a
He's a different cat man. He was with this girl
and her uh, her friend, and they were like fighting
the allegation and saying it wasn't true. But it was
like it was Ryan Garcia as Ryan Garcia is just
like a really odd type of kid. But boxing does
(30:01):
some shady, shady shit, and it doesn't. It's hard to
be surprised anymore when things that don't normally occur happening
in boxing.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I gotta ask you this one.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And somebody told me this the other day, and I
would not say it and I didn't want to think
about it, but then it made immediately think about Ben
as what I said. I want to ask Ben if
this what he thinks about this?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
All right? Jose although fought last weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
You didn't you didn't watch or you probably paid attention
to results.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, he beat Johnathan Martinez.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Jose although.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Allegedly was offered a fight in Brazil when Glover the
sheriff fought against uh Jamal Hill, but he turned it down.
This time he takes the fight. M I'm flying on
the plane last weekend and some guy then says to me,
(31:00):
you think Jose took that fight because Jusada is not
around anymore?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I was like, and I never really thought about that, right,
But then me, no one are hearing that He had
said no prior this time. He says, yes, you think
that has something to do with it?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Ben, Yeah, I had no idea because I'm not in
UFC anymore, so I don't know what the new testing
protocols are like, I don't know what, it is not strict.
You're not in there either.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So John Jonas, John Jones, John Jones, that lady went
to his house.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
So obviously they're still testing people.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Well they're testing a little bit, but you know, how
how stringent are they the strict You know, does Dana
have some time of access to the results before the
results come out? Because I know obviously you saw it.
Never gave him any of that type of clearance, So
I would say, uh, it's a it's a possibility.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
And also, uh, Jose retired and he was into he
got pulled in the Hall of Fame, right, and so
you know there are some there's a lot of research
say test dog, but.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
He was still boxing. He was still and that was
that was.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Not real ship. Come on. So there's there's a lot
of research that says testosterone is good for you as
you get a little older, and so maybe he just
wanted to live a normal, healthy, robust life. So he
got on a little testosterone and then they asked him
to fight and he said, well, I want to fight
and he said, oh.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
But you also got to sit six months right in Usada.
So maybe it was like the timing before it was
like six months to sit before you can fight in Usada.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Now you don't have to write. He said.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The fight was offered to him in January. He fought
in the April early May, so.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's only three months.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
A lot of reasons. But I mean, I had never
thought about that. So when the guy says that, I
was like, wait a minute, maybe maybe am I wrong
for thinking.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Me it's it's a definite posit definite possibility. I don't
know enough to comment. I don't want to comment on
someone else's testosterone usage.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But but you know, before we go, you uh and
I I went to this place ways too well to
get simselves in Austin for my back.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Correct, you also do it?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Did you do that?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
It's like a nand alone drip or something like that
what he said, it regenerates yourselves.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Oh, I do believe I did that the last not
the first. I'm in there twice. Uh uh, and they
treated me really well. I don't think I did it
the last time. Sorry, I don't think I did it
the first time. I think I did the second time. Yes,
I hated it.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Bro Wait why it made me feel like I was
going to catch a heart attack. That thing was going.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
That was no, that's I've had that. I did not
have that in ways, Well that's oh what is that?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I hated that?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
And you got to slow it down and make sure
I hated that.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
That was the worst feeling in my life.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Try to remember what it is right now. But I've
had I've had hated it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
How did you deal with it?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I slowed to drip down, But then I did my research.
It's kind of expensive, and my research that I did
on my own and said it leaves the boy too fast.
So I felt like a fucking superstar for like three days.
But then it kind of went back to normal, you know,
and it's like I can't be paying all this money.
Just feel great for three days, especially like I'm not
competing or anything. What is it? I'm blanking on what
it is right now? I know I know who to ask.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
It was crazy, like I felt my body going nuts.
I was like stop it, please stop and stop? Okay, bro,
I was like please stop.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I was like it has to stop.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
My fucking brain started to scratch my ears. It felt
like everything my brain was like it felt like my
head was itching. It was like when I would drink
that stuff with all that beta alanine shit in it
and it makes your skin everything like starts tingling.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I imagine. I imagine that's what the Incredible Halt felt like.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Every time he just went from Bruce Banner to the
Incredible Halt, it was nuts more you liked it?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Uh, yeah, I felt I'm trying to remember what it was.
At least it wasn't way as well as somewhere else.
But yeah, I felt like a superstar for like three days.
But then I did read the research and like how
fastive metabolizes to your body, and so like what you
would really need to do, which I don't have access
to and I can't I can't remember what it is.
But you need to get like a small ivy drip
like every other day or something right, because it goes
(35:04):
out of your body so quick.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
And I'm not that rich. I'm not that rich.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Show what you want much, you and I. Hey, so listen,
my lawyers are gonna call you. We need to discuss
the academy.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
We needed to Hey, our time, want our time gets
some money off the vodka?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I want you actually get it?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Do you actually get it?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I have no idea? All right, Ben, I'll let you
get the practice.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Hey, guys, wait, so I gotta ask you one question.
I actually made a video of this on myself. I'm
starting to post a few videos and my own asking
I saw you channel.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Hey, I told you. I told you in the comments.
I only wanted you in front of that book.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Killed I was on Instagram. Yeah, right over there.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
You would look so smart. You look so smart for
that book case.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Stop bullying me. Hey, as an Oklahoma state of lum as,
are you excited that the Magic Man is coming to
still Water? I know you have an ode to John
Smith and John Smith is grade, but now it's the
Magic Era. How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You know what? Bro like? I think it's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You know, I feel terri I feel bad for the
old coaches right because I don't know what's gonna happen
to those guys.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Those are guys I've known for a real long time,
So you feel warm.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
But I've also known David since he was a little kid.
David used to spend afternoons. He used to spend afternoons
when we were ben when we were on the Olympic team.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
That's what I was gonna bring up.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I remember his little last came to dinner with us
one time, and he was like probably fifteen or something.
I know he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
He would sit in my room playing video games with me.
He's always I've always been a kid. So I've known
David for a really, really long time.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And I've got this great photo of him when he
would come to Tulsa Nationals to wrestle, and it's a
picture of him laying on the mat next to the cowboy.
And Uh, he's got his press conference tomorrow, and I
was gonna post that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
It's a he's got a.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Long I think they're gonna do great, and financially there's
a lot of backing behind him, so I think he's
gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
So yeah, it's me good. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I want I wonder for Coleman Scott and see what
Coleman's gonna do, and and Chris Perry and.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
You had to keep Coleman on staff for David, but.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But King, I mean, yeah, that would be hard though,
right Coleman wants to be the head coach there, and
I don't know that you can keep a guy that
wanted the job.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Just as your assistant right away.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But you need to keep a cowboy a date and fixed,
or somebody needs to be on that staff to keep
that that that closeness of the still Water community. All right, guys,
that's me. That's been. We had another great show. We
appreciate you, guys, eyes, We appreciate your views and support.
Until next time, We'll see you on the other side.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
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