Bo Nickal checks in with Daniel Cormier and gives his insight on fighting Paul Craig, his ongoing beef with Khamzat Chimaev, and his incredible start to his career in the UFC. Nickal GOES IN ON why he's overlooked as a striker, and what his expectations are for the toughest fight of his career to this point. Chris Weidman sits down with DC to talk about his transition to being an analyst and how he plans to turn his luck around in New York this weekend. #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
How's everything going? Both tanks or checking in with me here?
And I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Last time we talked, we were in a little side
closet in Vegas. You went out there and you got
Val with the dude.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Val didn't move when you hit Val. Vaal literally just
stood there.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
He wasn't ready, and.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You were like, whoa, he didn't move, so you hit
him again.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
That's what it was funny because after I hit him
the first time, I stepped back and I was.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Like, expecting him to move.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yeah, I was like all right. In my mind.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Then first thought was I'm probably gonna take this guy
down now. I just cracked him good, so he's gonna
come at me. I'll drop take him down. And then
I was like, or I could just go for the kill,
knock him out, bob boom, it's over.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Because he kind of just stood there and I was like,
oh my god, both hit him and then backed up
and realized he didn't god him again. But it's going
really good to this point. What have you made of
how it's gone right? And I know I give you
a hard time, but having some trust to help.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
You is great. And this whole thing is really stunning
to take off.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
It's crazy, you know. I feel like I feel like.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
It's almost like not real, right, Like you take anybody's
career that's done this, that's competing in this sport, and
they're not put in the spotlight this quickly. They're not
performing Whay. I am like six finishes, you know, three
finishes in the UFC, that type of thing. It's not
that easy, you know. I think that I've been blessed
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to just be around some awesome people that have given
me really good guidance, coaching information. And also I think
that I just feel really prepared from twenty plus years
of wrestling at the highest level, competing in the NCAA Championships,
competing in World Championships, Olympic trials, the best the best
guys in the world, every single day day and day out,
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feeling that pressure, that struggle, that stress. I think it's
just prepared me really well for these moments. And yeah,
I think that, you know, I never go in expecting
it to be easy, but it's so far that's the
way it's worked out.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
So same thing with this fight.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
I'm not going in expecting it to be easy, but
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But you just said that. You said, it's not that easy. Yeah,
but it has been, right, Why why has it been
this easy when it really isn't.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's not easy to go out there and be three
fights into a career, get into the UFC, and then
finish three guys in the UFC right in there getting
increasingly harder. It's not like you're fighting the same level
of guy that you did in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Right, the last guy was decent.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah, every guy I'm fighting has, you know, triple the
amount of experiences me. I've only been you know, really
competing as a pro for a couple of years. Most
of these guys have a decade in the sport. I
think that it's really my commitment to the sport, my
attention to detail. I just do every single little thing
I can to be the best I can be. And uh,
(02:50):
it's not a turn it off, turn it on type
of thing. It's just my life. Like it's just the
way I live and what I love. Right, I think
that that passion, like this is a way that I
make money, but it's all It's more than that for me.
It's just what I love to do, Like I would
be fighting people regardless.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I think I just love it.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Do you love competition or do you love fighting?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Like give you because like for me, it was like
I love the competition, and fighting brought me more competition
after wrestling was done.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I see that.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
No, I think that I'm very competitive. I love to compete,
but I also love to fight. And it's been since
I was a little kid. You know, even when I
was wrestling and stuff like that, it was always I
was always interested in fighting as well. Where I didn't train,
but you know, i'd get into scraps or me and
my friends would fight each other, like I think. I
don't remember if I ever told you this story, but
(03:40):
I grew up in middle school.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I was in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So well really I thought you were in Texas.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Texas from the eighth grade through my senior high school
from fifth to eighth grade, I live in Albuquerque, so
it's a little bit of a rough area. And so
I would go into these wrestling tournaments and it would
be in a middle school wherever you've been to these
youth wrestling tournaments, and in the back we'd find a
back hallway and we'd get twenty twenty five kids together
and we would fight each other, like go fight each
(04:06):
other in between our wrestling matches. Really yeah, that was
just like a normal thing, and so I grew up
doing that and I loved it. So you know, even
though I was just wrestling, I always was interested in fighting.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
It was always fun for me.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You know, fighting has started fast for you. You find
yourself now in Madison Square Garden. You know, with most people,
I would expect or anticipate shock in AWE pay per views,
with you, not so much. I know that you can
handle the spotlight, right. I've seen you do it since
you were a little boy, all the way up through college.
(04:39):
But what you're doing now is you're fighting a guy
that has a ton of experience and has beaten some
really really good guys. Prospects always have to go through
that next step. We saw it with the kids from Philadelphia.
Joe Pifer, right, he thought against Jack Armanson got beat
right because.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It was different. Yep.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
How do you learn from seeing the or do you
believe that you just live in a different realm of
I don't get bothered in those same situations because we
see a time and time again, Neil Magni beats somebody
a while back, and then the prospect gets moved a
little bit too soon, they run into a guy like
(05:18):
Paul Craig and.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
They get beat Right, do you live in a.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Different realm where're you feel like you're just above maybe
falling victim of that, or do you take from what
those guys went through and learned from it.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I absolutely, you know, I take what they went through
and learned from it. But I also I had to
learn those lessons a lot in wrestling, right, you know,
in twenty sixteen, I competed in sold out Madison Square
Garden at the NCAAA Wrestling Tournament and I lost in
the finals, and I let that moment become too big
for me. And so those are the type of experience
I was having as a teenager, you know, as an
(05:50):
eighteen nineteen year old kid. And so, you know, I
definitely take learning experiences from other people, but I feel
like I've also I've also lived out myself and so
that maturity helped me achieve what I did in wrestling,
and I think it's the same thing for fighting. So
I just I take a lot of confidence from those experiences.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
And I felt that devastation, I felt that pain, and
I felt that loss.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
You know for me, it was of my ultimate goal,
like being a four time NCAA wrestling champion, and so
you know that motivated me a lot. It continues to
motivate me in fighting. So now when I have these
opportunities to compete against a guy like Paul Craig, who
has a ton of experience. He's a dangerous fighter, He's
beat some of the best guys in the world, I
feel very locked in, very prepared, and I know how
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that moment is going to feel for me when I
go in. It's not going to be anything that I
haven't already dealt with that I don't already expect.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
And however the fight goes.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
You know, I'm very open if it if I knock
him out in thirty seconds, great, If it goes fifteen
minutes and it's a hard fought decision, great. I'm just
looking to grow and improve and learn and be the
best I can be on that night.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You, Paul, That's like, so they love you. I'm just
gonna tell you right now, as an organization, they love right,
So you get fights that at times con further you.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And we've seen it time.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And time again with young guys, right, But it seems
like this was difficult because Paul Craig is a grappling guy,
so it feels like it almost takes away your greatest skill.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, what if the danger on the ground is too big?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Are you prepared to stand there for fifteen minutes to
this dude?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
For sure.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
I think this is a really exciting fight for me
because it gets to showcase that I'm a fighter, right,
you know, I think in a lot of my fights
in the past, yeah, we've seen knockouts and submissions and stuff,
but I'm still a wrestler and this is like a
transition period from being a wrestler to being a fighter.
And so you know, for me, I feel confident on
(07:49):
the ground. You know, his best position is guarden, half guard,
so we get into those positions. I've worked a lot
and I feel confident there. But at the end of
the day, I think I'm gonna have to utilize a
more well rounded game to win this fight, and especially
to dominate the fight, because I'm not looking to go
out and just hold him there for fifteen minutes and
win a close decision, like I want to dominate every
second and eventually, you know, ideally get the finish if
(08:11):
the finish doesn't come, no worries. But I want to
dominate every second of the fight. So we're gonna have
to be in a lot of different positions, you know,
not just just the wrestling positions.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well, in wrestling, you win, you're cool, like you're cool,
but not in this world, if you win, there's well
they're giving him easy fight.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, he's getting cupcake fights. They're matching him up with wins. Oh,
boll Nichol's not that good. They're giving like how have
you dealt with that? Right? Where you just doing what
you're supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Isn't quite enough, right, Because in wrestling, when you win,
people praise you and they like you, the kids think
you're cool. But in this it's like, well he's not
really earning it, right, How have you dealt with that
side of the of the game.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Yeah, it's interesting because I get on one hand, everybody
says he needs to fight better guys, he needs to
fight the top guys in the world. These guys suck,
And the other hand they say, oh, he's not any good,
he's just a wrestler, And it's like very contradicting. So really,
I just don't I don't pay any mind to that.
I listen to my team, the people that I'm close with,
and when whenever I hear kind of outside chatter, outside noise,
(09:15):
you know, it can kind of get an emotional response,
but I try to just always come back to centering myself,
being grounded, you know, understanding and remembering what's important to me,
and those are the people that I love, my family,
their opinions I care about, and then just you know,
sticking to my beliefs and my path and where I
think I'm headed. Because there's gonna be a million people
(09:38):
that say you can't do something. It's only going to
get bigger, and it's only gonna get Yeah, it's only
gonna get bigger and bigger. And for me, the only
reason that I'm doing this is because I love it
and because I want to do it. If I didn't
want to do this, I would do something else. But
I love fighting and I love what I do, So
this is what I'm doing. That's why you know, you
felt it a ton of times. It's a crazy feeling
and you're it almost makes you sick and you're.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Like, why am I doing this?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Ye?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It just I keep coming back to it. Because I
love it.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's when you get in the locker room and you're like, dude,
I graduated and did everything I was supposed to do,
Like why am I here?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Like I want to I want to do There's no
place I'd rather be. Last thing before I let you go,
you wouldn't just fight Saturday. For sure, you're gonna get
more comparison to the elite guys. This thing would Hamzat
Chimaya than you. It's so early in your career, Like,
does it annoy you that they're like everybody's like, well.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Home's out this. You know what I asked the other day,
somebody asked me, well.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
DC, who's the better wrestler. I was like, I was like,
come on, guys, They're like, who's the better wrestler? I
was like, if these guys are strapping up wrestling shoes,
I go Bo would beat him ten zero in about
a minute because he can't wrestle him, and Mma, it's
much better because that's what he does.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Needs a better striker right now? Does it annoy Like?
Is it annoying? Like do you like it?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Because then it does elevate you, but it also feels
like it's kind of fast forwarding you into a place that's.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Not Yeah, it's good and bad.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I think that the bad part is the maybe opinions
of people that come in where it's like, oh, he's
gonna smash you, you're not good enough, this or that,
And then the good part is it's like this is
building up some hype for what is potentially going to be.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
A massive, massive fight.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, and if I.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Keep doing what I'm doing, he keeps doing it, he's
doing it's gonna be such an exciting special moment and
that's what I live for. Like my thing with Hamsa,
I've never had like a negative view of him. It's like,
I think he's an incredible fighter. I want to be
the best. I think he's probably the best. So let's fight.
Let's figure it out. Let's figure out who's better me
or you. Let's figure out American wrestling, dagg standy wrestling. Like,
(11:39):
you know, I'm not like one that's really I'm just
very curious. I'm like, I think I'm the best, so
you know, let's let's get in there and test it out.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
He's a checking guy, yeah, right, esching, But.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
It's one thing to have people doing it with opinions.
But he's actually saying it though that like that's the thing, right,
Like he's the one that it's kind of like going
one thing.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
He said. That was interesting. I thought I was.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
In one of his interviews, they asked how the wrestling
match will go, and he said, wrestling, I don't know,
but this is mm A fight.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And it's like, okay, so you know I'll whoop you.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, well that's good. But you're right, it is an
mm A fight. It's different. There's a cage, there's grappling,
there's you know, it's it's it's a very different thing.
So you know, but I think that he knows that's
almost like a respectful opinion on my skills. And I
think that again, it's just continued to develop and prove
everything else. And if I can get if I can
do what I did in wrestling, get my striking, my
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grappling even to a fraction of what that is, then
you know, we're talking about really a big, big problem
for anybody.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You know, when those guys, when they had good guys
that can wrestle, I was like, if y'all paid me,
would y'all paid me the goal wrestle?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
These dude, I'm the greatest of all time.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, come on, it's not the same. You know, when
you've gone through you've gone through the Olympics, you've gone
through the nc IS, it's like, come on to the grind,
you know. You see, you see guys that are just
like so so good. They've been doing it since they
were they've been doing it for every single guy's been
doing it for twenty.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Years, and then they're and they can't get it done.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
And they can't even get it done.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
And that's the thing too, Like when I watch your
wrestling or watch my wrestling, we're looking at guys that
have competed for twenty years and they can't even get
a takedown. It's like destroy them, you know. And so
what's a guy that's really a dude that's.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
In training camp to get ready to wrestle, like he
has no chance? Especially if we're bent over at the waist. Yeah,
I'm literally looking at you, just kind of down blocked.
There's no there's no scoring in straight wrestling.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I only tell people that's so annoying.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Guys, if you continue to do what you do and
if you add the skills that you have in wrestling.
You're in for some really big fights, and that's, my friend,
is when the fucking fun starts. I'm telling you thanks
for checking it with me. Guys, make sure you watch
Bull Nickel this weekend once again on the pay per
view portion of the fight.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Car It's amazing that you've been able to do that too.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It's amazing that you were able to go, I'm not
fighting on the prelims.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Well, I said, and uh, I mean at the end
of the that it's not my decision.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
So the UFC they saw the.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Value stay the tongue in cheek. Yeah it actually worked. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
I was kind of like, I can't imagine myself doing that,
and I mean they'd all the aligned so.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
This weekend, he takes on Paul Craig, biggest fight of
his young career at Madison Square Garden. Big moment for
make sure you tapping everything Bow is doing form an
Cuba champion with a I am becoming the UFC champion. Guys,
follow everything he's doing until next time, like subscribe to
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Speaker 4 (14:35):
A nickname, not yet still none nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
No, come on, man, you gotta get a nicknamed.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
No.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I know it's got to come natural.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Guys in the comments, give me some nicknames to bowl
nickels so we can get well. Maybe we'll put it
in the octagon on Saturday. Until next time.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Peace.
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Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yo. Like he picked them. Look at my shoes. I
picked them myself. You know, dude, I'm.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Kind of a stylish guy. Like now where you go,
I'm this this whole. I'll like you and I kind
of look alike.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
When we look good, we look good. Hey, we're looking good. Hey,
we're actually looking better. We're looking better than what are
you saying? I look good.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I literally threw it in my bag and I was like,
skinny enough to wear this right now? I know it's tired.
I can never wear it again. I might throw it out. Actually,
what's that? And I don't like ty shirts because I
have no chest and it really, you know, emphasizes the
no chest.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I mean, fuck my god, dude, can we stop dobbies?
Got me? I mean not me? Can I mean? Can
we stop this ship? Yeah? You know? So. One of
the things is I hate when you get compliments. Why
do you hate that? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I don't like, bro, I don't like. I don't like
when you get compliments.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
We are Can we just tell the word?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Can you admit to the world you're a terrible friend
what you've said that you're you're open about it, be honest.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I will say this. Who called you whenever you were
in recovery? Who spent hours with you on FaceTime when
your leg was broken and the world turn their back
on you?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Hours?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Management Chris Chris chrissed out, Chris Chris. Who's spent you
cast listen? Who spent hours with you when your managers Sarah.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm calling you?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
They turn their backs on you when the world didn't
want to talk to you and you were in your
darkest place. Who called and offered you a podcast?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Oh I got no recollection of me? It was me.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Oh that's right, Yes I didn't. I told you for
me to podcast. Say okay, And I told you you
know they got called back if you thought about me.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I called him multiple guys. Stuff is that?
Speaker 6 (18:19):
He goes, Yo, how would you like to do a
podcast with me on ESPN or something like that, or
ESPN or or something you wanted to do. I go,
I'm down, let's do it. He goes, all right, especially
you're in a tough time right now, let's go. I
think you'd be great out of chemistry.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Such a liar.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
I go, Oh my god, I called my wife. I go, babe,
I got a great podcast going with d C.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It's gonna be all something. I'm super excited.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Let's go something to do when I'm coming back from
this injury, make some money.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And then he never called me again. That is such
a lie. And then next day I note you were
on with what's his name? What's his name? He's not
with you anymore? Yeah, say the black guy, what's his name.
You're on with the black guy. I see color? What
did he look like? His name is Ryan Clark, Ryan Clark,
great football play.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
But then but then so then so then we start
doing But then, guys, for the record, then I invited
him onto My way in show and now he's a regular.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I got you that job. I did get you that job.
So I got myself. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I swear to God, I vouch for you, guys. Chris Wideman,
thanks me checking in with me. Guys, normally you see
me and Chris together on our show, The UFC Morning
Way and Show featuring Daniel Cormier.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I don't even think he messed it up. You actually
did on accident Daniel.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
The UFC Morning Way and Show feature in Daniel Cormy
starring Daniel Cormier.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Chris Widman is there too, my favorite guy, Chris Man
another fight week. How you feeling dog like? So?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Last time we uh, you fought? The guy kept poking
you now or you kept poking him and he kept
poking me in the so he got really mad at
me and you too.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I poked him in the eyes, but I poked him.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Remember, oh yeah, I remember that. And then we put
the goggles on away and show we got in trouble.
You only got really.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Mad at us. He says, he goes to sleep every
night hating me and you. I can't believe you got
thrown into it. The fact that he literally I swear that,
it was like it was all over the place. I
was like, damn. He said he goes to bed at
night hating.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Us, and that was his fight week. I think he
just fought along. He just thing to him was like,
focus on your fight. Why are you going back?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Why are we screwed that poor kid man. I don't
know what happened to him, but I hope the UFC
doesn't come.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You're fighting well, you're fighting well, you're fighting smart. How
much better does it feel now? A couple fights? Youre
moved from the injury and then having the fight against
the VARs where he was leg kicking and leg kicking
and leg kicking a night, and you openly told me
you had doubts in there in those moments. But now
we're into our second fight. Since, how good does it
feel to be back? And like the confidence that you're
(20:48):
gaining with every appearance?
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Yeah, my first that first fight back, man, he'd like
kicked the crap out of me.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I really really didn't even expect it. But these dudes
are gonna come at my legs. And I thought I'd
be able to kick right away and kick back. You know,
someone kicks you. I couldn't do it, man, my mind
wouldn't let my body do it. And I was like,
holy shit, I got a problem here. Uh.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
And then the second, then the second five would Bruno
sales will come. You kicked way more and I actually
threw the kick almost immediately, and I'm like, holy shit,
I did it all right. That monkey's off my back.
I wasn't I wasn't scared to throw it anymore. So uh,
and my leg it's been a it's been a long
recover even up until this point, and it's I'm finally
like springing again and moving well on the feet.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I feel I feel really good. You feel good.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
So when you are at this point in your career,
right where you still feel like you're viable, and the
opponent options start to come out, like what are you
looking for? When you hear Eric Anders, then you go, okay,
this is a fight I can get up for. This
is one that I that interest me because He's also
a guy that's been around for a while. And hell,
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if anybody would have said five years ago, Chris wib
and Eric Anders, ninety five percent of people say they
would expect you to win. Is that like when you
get that name? Is that like one that like immediately
is like, okay, it's good.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
I think it's a good fight for me. You know,
a big, strong kid, athletic comes forwards.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
He hits hard.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
But I've definitely gone against way more devastating strikers and
better mar mixed martial artists in my career, so it's
a good fight for me.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I'm at this point in my career.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
I'm taking a fight at a time and just seeing
how I can perform out there.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
See where I'm at.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
I still feel great in the gym, you know, with
all these young bucks.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'm still doing my thing.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
But you got to perform under the under the lights,
and I think it's a great fight for me to see.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You know, all right, where am I at?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know, you have always possessed great striking, but wrestling
was always the key. Lately, you don't wrestle as much,
like you really don't seem to want to wrestle, like.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I want to wrestle. But yeah, even even Silva, like
you didn't take him down.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
I took him down first round, wrote him out and
it was a weird he was in a weird position.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I felt like I was slipping off.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
So it was just I just wrote him he was
okay with just standing in that tripop in the quad
quad pot quad quad pod.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Position one two three four.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I always say trying, God dare I don't know why
and uh yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
And then the second I was just I felt like
I was piecing them up on the feet, take away
the ipokes. I was dominating on the feet, and you know,
I felt like I was so much faster than them.
I saw all of his punch is coming and he
wasn't doing much. He wasn't coming at me. So I'm
always wrestling is always going to be my forte. It's
going to be something that I always want to I
always want.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
To bring it to wrestling.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I like it kind of sucks because as we get older,
getting novels. Take Now, I'm just like, oh man, it
really does kind of suck as you age, huh.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
I mean mission takedowns, you know, riding them and all
that stuff, and wrestling is something that is hard to
do when you get older, you know, as far as
real wrestling, you know, so like training in a wrestling
stance and taking the shots like we used to, I
can't do it that much. So the whole wrestling and
punches into takedowns, all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I'm fine, But when it comes to like real wrestling,
my need my I can't. I can't get load like
that anymore. The truth Back in New.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
York, Back in New York, fighting in Madison Square. We
fought Madison Square together before. I think that's the last
time he fought.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, it didn't go good for me at all.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
No, But thinking back to that night and what we
anticipate for Saturday, what are you doing different?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Because there's a lot that comes with being the guy
that was the guy from here and then being fighting here, Like,
what are.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You doing different? It's this time of postale. It's so
long ago. It's that was twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Can you believe how long I wasn't I did twenty
sixteen here and then twenty eighteen, and it's so long ago.
I mean Madison Square Garden, you know, I'm it's pretty
much around the block from where I grew up, So
it's uh, it's pretty cool. It's cool, and the being
pretty much the most historic arena in the world, it's
an awesome opportunity.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I just got to go out there and do my thing.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
And the two fights I have had here, I was
I was doing great, you know, in both fights, and
then third round came and I ended up getting dropped
with the crazy shots. There was Joel Marine and then
the O one was Jock Ray hit me with that
right hand. We both threw it and he landed I didn't. Yeah,
So it was awful endings for me. So I could
either run from it or you know, I got a
(25:10):
call to be here, and I'm like, you know what,
it's good redemptionuse.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Do you still feel do you still feel like this
is a big card?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I can feel the big car.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Do you still feel that now, even though you've headlined
against Anderson and been on the biggest fight cards in
the world, do you still feel like that excitement when
it comes with a big car.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, because you know, you know how it is.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
You want the biggest cards the better because you've got
more eyeballs and it's an opportunity to show everybody what
you've working on where you're at loud, just don't disrespect
But he's messed up right now.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Because I feel like it's like but even though like,
come on, we're doing an interview.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I can't believe he's disrespecting me like this. Oh you
want me to fight? Yeah, I think you're such a
ship starter. He's gonna keep a standing. Not when I
was fighting car. You're so sick from a big guy.
You broke people, you know that was that was what
you did last thing before I let you go.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Chris, John Jones fight Steve Emilchich Right, what.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do you make of that fight?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And I gotta ask you this because you and I
do like these things together. John Jones is saying he
just won't fight Tom Aspinall said that he's gonna fight
Alex Perera if he wins.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
What do you make of all this?
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Man?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
It is crazy?
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Well, you know it's it's it's it's smart because I
think the UFC would actually love to make that fight.
And for John it's a great matchup, you know because
of the wrestling, uh and people have built up Alex Pereiro,
which he built himself up.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You know, it's not everybody. He's knocking everybody out. So
it's a huge fight.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
But I think John Jones sees what a lot of
people aren't looking at with that. As far as the wrestling,
I mean, who Perera really hasn't gone against a wrestler,
and but he's not and so wrestler right, but none
about more wrestlers, right, John to much better wrest of those.
And John grew up wrestling. He was a state champion
here in New York, and he was good wrestling.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
He was, yeah, he was. He was a top tier talent.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
And when it comes to wrestling, so I think he's
light years away with with wrestling against Pereira. The step
as fight, I mean, people are sleeping on steep, sleeping the.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Sleeping on step He's a monster.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
He comes he's way bigger than when he was fighting,
like Francis McGan thirty barely two thirty, he wasn't eating.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I don't know what his deal was.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
But now he's like to what is fifty to today
and he's looks good to fifty, you know, like ads
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
He comes forward, he's tough as fuck.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
He's tough, he's not gonna there's no giving up in him,
he comes forward, he's got heavy hands, he mixes it
up to the body. And his wrestling too, is really good.
I trained with him a bunch of times. He's really good.
And then you know, people they see John Jones is
the greatest of all time, they just think it's going
to be, you know, a decimation and and Steve a
has been out for a while, so that's what they're
looking at. But Steve as probably looking at all, right, Uh,
(27:59):
John Jones wanted to a close decision fight. A lot
of people throw a Dominic Rays Dudens. He went to
a decision with even Saint Prux. He went through a
decision with uh Anthony Smith. Now, if we put Steepe
against any one of those guys, we would think that
Steepe is going to dominate that fight and.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Finish the probably finish him.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
So those are the things that people are not looking at,
giving stuff that I don't even think about. Yeah, I
think I think you have to if you're fighting a
guy who's looked up, Like when I was fighting in
his sil I wasn't looking at him. Just knock out
everybody so easily and put his hands down and play
with them.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And oh, my god, he's unbeatable.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
I looked at chel sent and took him down every
time they know, and was beating him until the end.
I knew I had better Jiu Jitsum at him, so
I compared myself to Jail. I'm like, all right, I
mean I got this. There was other fights that you've seen. Okay,
he's he's beatable. You don't look at step is not
looking at all the stuff that everybody else is looking at.
And it seems because of it, and and and Steve
(28:58):
is the type of dude to put a chip on
the should and he's a little bit more dangerous.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
How do you and Eric Ander's on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
I'm hoping to just pick him a part on the feet,
get him to the ground, and just show the level
level difference between us, and you know, look for a finish.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I gotta I gotta make it look pretty.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Chris Wiman fights Saturday, UFC three oh nine. But you
heard that breakdown the Domain event. That's why I put
him on my show on in the morning because of that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
That's why this guy does TV work. And he's good looking.
You better looking when you keep that weight.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Now, I know my wife said that she goes, I
like you with the chisel jaw.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I don't say that.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
The problem is I shave and I got a fat face,
I got double chin and stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Because you're like, don't say that. Because at the end
of his trading camp, I'm going back.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
It was like I like, I was two of five
cut wait, you know, and she's like, you look good
at two of five.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yo, stop it, I'm gonna be to five man. You guys, well,
it's a pipe dream that's tap into everything that Chris
Wiman's doing. Follow him Instagram, Twitter, x now, Facebook, everything else.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Until next time, guys.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
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YouTube channel, and I got guys like the all American
who won't ever back down like that.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
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The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
How's everything going? Both tanks or checking in with me here?
And I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Last time we talked, we were in a little side
closet in Vegas. You went out there and you got
Val with the dude.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Val didn't move when you hit Val. Vaal literally just
stood there.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
He wasn't ready, and.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You were like, whoa, he didn't move, so you hit
him again.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
That's what it was funny because after I hit him
the first time, I stepped back and I was.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Like, expecting him to move.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yeah, I was like all right. In my mind.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Then first thought was I'm probably gonna take this guy
down now. I just cracked him good, so he's gonna
come at me. I'll drop take him down. And then
I was like, or I could just go for the kill,
knock him out, bob boom, it's over.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Because he kind of just stood there and I was like,
oh my god, both hit him and then backed up
and realized he didn't god him again. But it's going
really good to this point. What have you made of
how it's gone right? And I know I give you
a hard time, but having some trust to help.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
You is great. And this whole thing is really stunning
to take off.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
It's crazy, you know. I feel like I feel like.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
It's almost like not real, right, Like you take anybody's
career that's done this, that's competing in this sport, and
they're not put in the spotlight this quickly. They're not
performing Whay. I am like six finishes, you know, three
finishes in the UFC, that type of thing. It's not
that easy, you know. I think that I've been blessed
(01:29):
to just be around some awesome people that have given
me really good guidance, coaching information. And also I think
that I just feel really prepared from twenty plus years
of wrestling at the highest level, competing in the NCAA Championships,
competing in World Championships, Olympic trials, the best the best
guys in the world, every single day day and day out,
(01:50):
feeling that pressure, that struggle, that stress. I think it's
just prepared me really well for these moments. And yeah,
I think that, you know, I never go in expecting
it to be easy, but it's so far that's the
way it's worked out.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
So same thing with this fight.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
I'm not going in expecting it to be easy, but
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But you just said that. You said, it's not that easy. Yeah,
but it has been, right, Why why has it been
this easy when it really isn't.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's not easy to go out there and be three
fights into a career, get into the UFC, and then
finish three guys in the UFC right in there getting
increasingly harder. It's not like you're fighting the same level
of guy that you did in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Right, the last guy was decent.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah, every guy I'm fighting has, you know, triple the
amount of experiences me. I've only been you know, really
competing as a pro for a couple of years. Most
of these guys have a decade in the sport. I
think that it's really my commitment to the sport, my
attention to detail. I just do every single little thing
I can to be the best I can be. And uh,
(02:50):
it's not a turn it off, turn it on type
of thing. It's just my life. Like it's just the
way I live and what I love. Right, I think
that that passion, like this is a way that I
make money, but it's all It's more than that for me.
It's just what I love to do, Like I would
be fighting people regardless.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I think I just love it.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Do you love competition or do you love fighting?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Like give you because like for me, it was like
I love the competition, and fighting brought me more competition
after wrestling was done.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I see that.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
No, I think that I'm very competitive. I love to compete,
but I also love to fight. And it's been since
I was a little kid. You know, even when I
was wrestling and stuff like that, it was always I
was always interested in fighting as well. Where I didn't train,
but you know, i'd get into scraps or me and
my friends would fight each other, like I think. I
don't remember if I ever told you this story, but
(03:40):
I grew up in middle school.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I was in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So well really I thought you were in Texas.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Texas from the eighth grade through my senior high school
from fifth to eighth grade, I live in Albuquerque, so
it's a little bit of a rough area. And so
I would go into these wrestling tournaments and it would
be in a middle school wherever you've been to these
youth wrestling tournaments, and in the back we'd find a
back hallway and we'd get twenty twenty five kids together
and we would fight each other, like go fight each
(04:06):
other in between our wrestling matches. Really yeah, that was
just like a normal thing, and so I grew up
doing that and I loved it. So you know, even
though I was just wrestling, I always was interested in fighting.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
It was always fun for me.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You know, fighting has started fast for you. You find
yourself now in Madison Square Garden. You know, with most people,
I would expect or anticipate shock in AWE pay per views,
with you, not so much. I know that you can
handle the spotlight, right. I've seen you do it since
you were a little boy, all the way up through college.
(04:39):
But what you're doing now is you're fighting a guy
that has a ton of experience and has beaten some
really really good guys. Prospects always have to go through
that next step. We saw it with the kids from Philadelphia.
Joe Pifer, right, he thought against Jack Armanson got beat
right because.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It was different. Yep.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
How do you learn from seeing the or do you
believe that you just live in a different realm of
I don't get bothered in those same situations because we
see a time and time again, Neil Magni beats somebody
a while back, and then the prospect gets moved a
little bit too soon, they run into a guy like
(05:18):
Paul Craig and.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
They get beat Right, do you live in a.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Different realm where're you feel like you're just above maybe
falling victim of that, or do you take from what
those guys went through and learned from it.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I absolutely, you know, I take what they went through
and learned from it. But I also I had to
learn those lessons a lot in wrestling, right, you know,
in twenty sixteen, I competed in sold out Madison Square
Garden at the NCAAA Wrestling Tournament and I lost in
the finals, and I let that moment become too big
for me. And so those are the type of experience
I was having as a teenager, you know, as an
(05:50):
eighteen nineteen year old kid. And so, you know, I
definitely take learning experiences from other people, but I feel
like I've also I've also lived out myself and so
that maturity helped me achieve what I did in wrestling,
and I think it's the same thing for fighting. So
I just I take a lot of confidence from those experiences.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
And I felt that devastation, I felt that pain, and
I felt that loss.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
You know for me, it was of my ultimate goal,
like being a four time NCAA wrestling champion, and so
you know that motivated me a lot. It continues to
motivate me in fighting. So now when I have these
opportunities to compete against a guy like Paul Craig, who
has a ton of experience. He's a dangerous fighter, He's
beat some of the best guys in the world, I
feel very locked in, very prepared, and I know how
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that moment is going to feel for me when I
go in. It's not going to be anything that I
haven't already dealt with that I don't already expect.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
And however the fight goes.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
You know, I'm very open if it if I knock
him out in thirty seconds, great, If it goes fifteen
minutes and it's a hard fought decision, great. I'm just
looking to grow and improve and learn and be the
best I can be on that night.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You, Paul, That's like, so they love you. I'm just
gonna tell you right now, as an organization, they love right,
So you get fights that at times con further you.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And we've seen it time.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And time again with young guys, right, But it seems
like this was difficult because Paul Craig is a grappling guy,
so it feels like it almost takes away your greatest skill.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, what if the danger on the ground is too big?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Are you prepared to stand there for fifteen minutes to
this dude?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
For sure.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
I think this is a really exciting fight for me
because it gets to showcase that I'm a fighter, right,
you know, I think in a lot of my fights
in the past, yeah, we've seen knockouts and submissions and stuff,
but I'm still a wrestler and this is like a
transition period from being a wrestler to being a fighter.
And so you know, for me, I feel confident on
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the ground. You know, his best position is guarden, half guard,
so we get into those positions. I've worked a lot
and I feel confident there. But at the end of
the day, I think I'm gonna have to utilize a
more well rounded game to win this fight, and especially
to dominate the fight, because I'm not looking to go
out and just hold him there for fifteen minutes and
win a close decision, like I want to dominate every
second and eventually, you know, ideally get the finish if
(08:11):
the finish doesn't come, no worries. But I want to
dominate every second of the fight. So we're gonna have
to be in a lot of different positions, you know,
not just just the wrestling positions.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well, in wrestling, you win, you're cool, like you're cool,
but not in this world, if you win, there's well
they're giving him easy fight.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, he's getting cupcake fights. They're matching him up with wins. Oh,
boll Nichol's not that good. They're giving like how have
you dealt with that? Right? Where you just doing what
you're supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Isn't quite enough, right, Because in wrestling, when you win,
people praise you and they like you, the kids think
you're cool. But in this it's like, well he's not
really earning it, right, How have you dealt with that
side of the of the game.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Yeah, it's interesting because I get on one hand, everybody
says he needs to fight better guys, he needs to
fight the top guys in the world. These guys suck,
And the other hand they say, oh, he's not any good,
he's just a wrestler, And it's like very contradicting. So really,
I just don't I don't pay any mind to that.
I listen to my team, the people that I'm close with,
and when whenever I hear kind of outside chatter, outside noise,
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you know, it can kind of get an emotional response,
but I try to just always come back to centering myself,
being grounded, you know, understanding and remembering what's important to me,
and those are the people that I love, my family,
their opinions I care about, and then just you know,
sticking to my beliefs and my path and where I
think I'm headed. Because there's gonna be a million people
(09:38):
that say you can't do something. It's only going to
get bigger, and it's only gonna get Yeah, it's only
gonna get bigger and bigger. And for me, the only
reason that I'm doing this is because I love it
and because I want to do it. If I didn't
want to do this, I would do something else. But
I love fighting and I love what I do, So
this is what I'm doing. That's why you know, you
felt it a ton of times. It's a crazy feeling
and you're it almost makes you sick and you're.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Like, why am I doing this?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Ye?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It just I keep coming back to it. Because I
love it.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's when you get in the locker room and you're like, dude,
I graduated and did everything I was supposed to do,
Like why am I here?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Like I want to I want to do There's no
place I'd rather be. Last thing before I let you go,
you wouldn't just fight Saturday. For sure, you're gonna get
more comparison to the elite guys. This thing would Hamzat
Chimaya than you. It's so early in your career, Like,
does it annoy you that they're like everybody's like, well.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Home's out this. You know what I asked the other day,
somebody asked me, well.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
DC, who's the better wrestler. I was like, I was like,
come on, guys, They're like, who's the better wrestler? I
was like, if these guys are strapping up wrestling shoes,
I go Bo would beat him ten zero in about
a minute because he can't wrestle him, and Mma, it's
much better because that's what he does.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Needs a better striker right now? Does it annoy Like?
Is it annoying? Like do you like it?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Because then it does elevate you, but it also feels
like it's kind of fast forwarding you into a place that's.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Not Yeah, it's good and bad.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I think that the bad part is the maybe opinions
of people that come in where it's like, oh, he's
gonna smash you, you're not good enough, this or that,
And then the good part is it's like this is
building up some hype for what is potentially going to be.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
A massive, massive fight.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, and if I.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Keep doing what I'm doing, he keeps doing it, he's
doing it's gonna be such an exciting special moment and
that's what I live for. Like my thing with Hamsa,
I've never had like a negative view of him. It's like,
I think he's an incredible fighter. I want to be
the best. I think he's probably the best. So let's fight.
Let's figure it out. Let's figure out who's better me
or you. Let's figure out American wrestling, dagg standy wrestling. Like,
(11:39):
you know, I'm not like one that's really I'm just
very curious. I'm like, I think I'm the best, so
you know, let's let's get in there and test it out.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
He's a checking guy, yeah, right, esching, But.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
It's one thing to have people doing it with opinions.
But he's actually saying it though that like that's the thing, right,
Like he's the one that it's kind of like going
one thing.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
He said. That was interesting. I thought I was.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
In one of his interviews, they asked how the wrestling
match will go, and he said, wrestling, I don't know,
but this is mm A fight.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And it's like, okay, so you know I'll whoop you.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, well that's good. But you're right, it is an
mm A fight. It's different. There's a cage, there's grappling,
there's you know, it's it's it's a very different thing.
So you know, but I think that he knows that's
almost like a respectful opinion on my skills. And I
think that again, it's just continued to develop and prove
everything else. And if I can get if I can
do what I did in wrestling, get my striking, my
(12:36):
grappling even to a fraction of what that is, then
you know, we're talking about really a big, big problem
for anybody.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You know, when those guys, when they had good guys
that can wrestle, I was like, if y'all paid me,
would y'all paid me the goal wrestle?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
These dude, I'm the greatest of all time.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, come on, it's not the same. You know, when
you've gone through you've gone through the Olympics, you've gone
through the nc IS, it's like, come on to the grind,
you know. You see, you see guys that are just
like so so good. They've been doing it since they
were they've been doing it for every single guy's been
doing it for twenty.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Years, and then they're and they can't get it done.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
And they can't even get it done.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
And that's the thing too, Like when I watch your
wrestling or watch my wrestling, we're looking at guys that
have competed for twenty years and they can't even get
a takedown. It's like destroy them, you know. And so
what's a guy that's really a dude that's.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
In training camp to get ready to wrestle, like he
has no chance? Especially if we're bent over at the waist. Yeah,
I'm literally looking at you, just kind of down blocked.
There's no there's no scoring in straight wrestling.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I only tell people that's so annoying.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Guys, if you continue to do what you do and
if you add the skills that you have in wrestling.
You're in for some really big fights, and that's, my friend,
is when the fucking fun starts. I'm telling you thanks
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Speaker 2 (13:53):
Car It's amazing that you've been able to do that too.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It's amazing that you were able to go, I'm not
fighting on the prelims.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Well, I said, and uh, I mean at the end
of the that it's not my decision.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
So the UFC they saw the.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Value stay the tongue in cheek. Yeah it actually worked. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
I was kind of like, I can't imagine myself doing that,
and I mean they'd all the aligned so.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
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Speaker 4 (14:35):
A nickname, not yet still none nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
No, come on, man, you gotta get a nicknamed.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
No.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I know it's got to come natural.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Guys in the comments, give me some nicknames to bowl
nickels so we can get well. Maybe we'll put it
in the octagon on Saturday. Until next time.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
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Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yo. Like he picked them. Look at my shoes. I
picked them myself. You know, dude, I'm.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Kind of a stylish guy. Like now where you go,
I'm this this whole. I'll like you and I kind
of look alike.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
When we look good, we look good. Hey, we're looking good. Hey,
we're actually looking better. We're looking better than what are
you saying? I look good.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I literally threw it in my bag and I was like,
skinny enough to wear this right now? I know it's tired.
I can never wear it again. I might throw it out. Actually,
what's that? And I don't like ty shirts because I
have no chest and it really, you know, emphasizes the
no chest.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I mean, fuck my god, dude, can we stop dobbies?
Got me? I mean not me? Can I mean? Can
we stop this ship? Yeah? You know? So. One of
the things is I hate when you get compliments. Why
do you hate that? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I don't like, bro, I don't like. I don't like
when you get compliments.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
We are Can we just tell the word?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Can you admit to the world you're a terrible friend
what you've said that you're you're open about it, be honest.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I will say this. Who called you whenever you were
in recovery? Who spent hours with you on FaceTime when
your leg was broken and the world turn their back
on you?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Hours?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Management Chris Chris chrissed out, Chris Chris. Who's spent you
cast listen? Who spent hours with you when your managers Sarah.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm calling you?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
They turn their backs on you when the world didn't
want to talk to you and you were in your
darkest place. Who called and offered you a podcast?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Oh I got no recollection of me? It was me.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Oh that's right, Yes I didn't. I told you for
me to podcast. Say okay, And I told you you
know they got called back if you thought about me.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I called him multiple guys. Stuff is that?
Speaker 6 (18:19):
He goes, Yo, how would you like to do a
podcast with me on ESPN or something like that, or
ESPN or or something you wanted to do. I go,
I'm down, let's do it. He goes, all right, especially
you're in a tough time right now, let's go. I
think you'd be great out of chemistry.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Such a liar.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
I go, Oh my god, I called my wife. I go, babe,
I got a great podcast going with d C.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It's gonna be all something. I'm super excited.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Let's go something to do when I'm coming back from
this injury, make some money.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And then he never called me again. That is such
a lie. And then next day I note you were
on with what's his name? What's his name? He's not
with you anymore? Yeah, say the black guy, what's his name.
You're on with the black guy. I see color? What
did he look like? His name is Ryan Clark, Ryan Clark,
great football play.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
But then but then so then so then we start
doing But then, guys, for the record, then I invited
him onto My way in show and now he's a regular.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I got you that job. I did get you that job.
So I got myself. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I swear to God, I vouch for you, guys. Chris Wideman,
thanks me checking in with me. Guys, normally you see
me and Chris together on our show, The UFC Morning
Way and Show featuring Daniel Cormier.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I don't even think he messed it up. You actually
did on accident Daniel.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
The UFC Morning Way and Show feature in Daniel Cormy
starring Daniel Cormier.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Chris Widman is there too, my favorite guy, Chris Man
another fight week. How you feeling dog like? So?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Last time we uh, you fought? The guy kept poking
you now or you kept poking him and he kept
poking me in the so he got really mad at
me and you too.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I poked him in the eyes, but I poked him.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Remember, oh yeah, I remember that. And then we put
the goggles on away and show we got in trouble.
You only got really.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Mad at us. He says, he goes to sleep every
night hating me and you. I can't believe you got
thrown into it. The fact that he literally I swear that,
it was like it was all over the place. I
was like, damn. He said he goes to bed at
night hating.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Us, and that was his fight week. I think he
just fought along. He just thing to him was like,
focus on your fight. Why are you going back?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Why are we screwed that poor kid man. I don't
know what happened to him, but I hope the UFC
doesn't come.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You're fighting well, you're fighting well, you're fighting smart. How
much better does it feel now? A couple fights? Youre
moved from the injury and then having the fight against
the VARs where he was leg kicking and leg kicking
and leg kicking a night, and you openly told me
you had doubts in there in those moments. But now
we're into our second fight. Since, how good does it
feel to be back? And like the confidence that you're
(20:48):
gaining with every appearance?
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Yeah, my first that first fight back, man, he'd like
kicked the crap out of me.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I really really didn't even expect it. But these dudes
are gonna come at my legs. And I thought I'd
be able to kick right away and kick back. You know,
someone kicks you. I couldn't do it, man, my mind
wouldn't let my body do it. And I was like,
holy shit, I got a problem here. Uh.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
And then the second, then the second five would Bruno
sales will come. You kicked way more and I actually
threw the kick almost immediately, and I'm like, holy shit,
I did it all right. That monkey's off my back.
I wasn't I wasn't scared to throw it anymore. So uh,
and my leg it's been a it's been a long
recover even up until this point, and it's I'm finally
like springing again and moving well on the feet.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I feel I feel really good. You feel good.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
So when you are at this point in your career,
right where you still feel like you're viable, and the
opponent options start to come out, like what are you
looking for? When you hear Eric Anders, then you go, okay,
this is a fight I can get up for. This
is one that I that interest me because He's also
a guy that's been around for a while. And hell,
(21:48):
if anybody would have said five years ago, Chris wib
and Eric Anders, ninety five percent of people say they
would expect you to win. Is that like when you
get that name? Is that like one that like immediately
is like, okay, it's good.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
I think it's a good fight for me. You know,
a big, strong kid, athletic comes forwards.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
He hits hard.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
But I've definitely gone against way more devastating strikers and
better mar mixed martial artists in my career, so it's
a good fight for me.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I'm at this point in my career.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
I'm taking a fight at a time and just seeing
how I can perform out there.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
See where I'm at.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
I still feel great in the gym, you know, with
all these young bucks.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'm still doing my thing.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
But you got to perform under the under the lights,
and I think it's a great fight for me to see.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You know, all right, where am I at?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know, you have always possessed great striking, but wrestling
was always the key. Lately, you don't wrestle as much,
like you really don't seem to want to wrestle, like.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I want to wrestle. But yeah, even even Silva, like
you didn't take him down.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
I took him down first round, wrote him out and
it was a weird he was in a weird position.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I felt like I was slipping off.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
So it was just I just wrote him he was
okay with just standing in that tripop in the quad
quad pot quad quad pod.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Position one two three four.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I always say trying, God dare I don't know why
and uh yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
And then the second I was just I felt like
I was piecing them up on the feet, take away
the ipokes. I was dominating on the feet, and you know,
I felt like I was so much faster than them.
I saw all of his punch is coming and he
wasn't doing much. He wasn't coming at me. So I'm
always wrestling is always going to be my forte. It's
going to be something that I always want to I
always want.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
To bring it to wrestling.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I like it kind of sucks because as we get older,
getting novels. Take Now, I'm just like, oh man, it
really does kind of suck as you age, huh.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
I mean mission takedowns, you know, riding them and all
that stuff, and wrestling is something that is hard to
do when you get older, you know, as far as
real wrestling, you know, so like training in a wrestling
stance and taking the shots like we used to, I
can't do it that much. So the whole wrestling and
punches into takedowns, all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I'm fine, But when it comes to like real wrestling,
my need my I can't. I can't get load like
that anymore. The truth Back in New.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
York, Back in New York, fighting in Madison Square. We
fought Madison Square together before. I think that's the last
time he fought.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, it didn't go good for me at all.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
No, But thinking back to that night and what we
anticipate for Saturday, what are you doing different?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Because there's a lot that comes with being the guy
that was the guy from here and then being fighting here, Like,
what are.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You doing different? It's this time of postale. It's so
long ago. It's that was twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Can you believe how long I wasn't I did twenty
sixteen here and then twenty eighteen, and it's so long ago.
I mean Madison Square Garden, you know, I'm it's pretty
much around the block from where I grew up, So
it's uh, it's pretty cool. It's cool, and the being
pretty much the most historic arena in the world, it's
an awesome opportunity.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I just got to go out there and do my thing.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
And the two fights I have had here, I was
I was doing great, you know, in both fights, and
then third round came and I ended up getting dropped
with the crazy shots. There was Joel Marine and then
the O one was Jock Ray hit me with that
right hand. We both threw it and he landed I didn't. Yeah,
So it was awful endings for me. So I could
either run from it or you know, I got a
(25:10):
call to be here, and I'm like, you know what,
it's good redemptionuse.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Do you still feel do you still feel like this
is a big card?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I can feel the big car.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Do you still feel that now, even though you've headlined
against Anderson and been on the biggest fight cards in
the world, do you still feel like that excitement when
it comes with a big car.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, because you know, you know how it is.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
You want the biggest cards the better because you've got
more eyeballs and it's an opportunity to show everybody what
you've working on where you're at loud, just don't disrespect
But he's messed up right now.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Because I feel like it's like but even though like,
come on, we're doing an interview.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I can't believe he's disrespecting me like this. Oh you
want me to fight? Yeah, I think you're such a
ship starter. He's gonna keep a standing. Not when I
was fighting car. You're so sick from a big guy.
You broke people, you know that was that was what
you did last thing before I let you go.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Chris, John Jones fight Steve Emilchich Right, what.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do you make of that fight?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And I gotta ask you this because you and I
do like these things together. John Jones is saying he
just won't fight Tom Aspinall said that he's gonna fight
Alex Perera if he wins.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
What do you make of all this?
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Man?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
It is crazy?
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Well, you know it's it's it's it's smart because I
think the UFC would actually love to make that fight.
And for John it's a great matchup, you know because
of the wrestling, uh and people have built up Alex Pereiro,
which he built himself up.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You know, it's not everybody. He's knocking everybody out. So
it's a huge fight.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
But I think John Jones sees what a lot of
people aren't looking at with that. As far as the wrestling,
I mean, who Perera really hasn't gone against a wrestler,
and but he's not and so wrestler right, but none
about more wrestlers, right, John to much better wrest of those.
And John grew up wrestling. He was a state champion
here in New York, and he was good wrestling.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
He was, yeah, he was. He was a top tier talent.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
And when it comes to wrestling, so I think he's
light years away with with wrestling against Pereira. The step
as fight, I mean, people are sleeping on steep, sleeping the.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Sleeping on step He's a monster.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
He comes he's way bigger than when he was fighting,
like Francis McGan thirty barely two thirty, he wasn't eating.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I don't know what his deal was.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
But now he's like to what is fifty to today
and he's looks good to fifty, you know, like ads
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
He comes forward, he's tough as fuck.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
He's tough, he's not gonna there's no giving up in him,
he comes forward, he's got heavy hands, he mixes it
up to the body. And his wrestling too, is really good.
I trained with him a bunch of times. He's really good.
And then you know, people they see John Jones is
the greatest of all time, they just think it's going
to be, you know, a decimation and and Steve a
has been out for a while, so that's what they're
looking at. But Steve as probably looking at all, right, Uh,
(27:59):
John Jones wanted to a close decision fight. A lot
of people throw a Dominic Rays Dudens. He went to
a decision with even Saint Prux. He went through a
decision with uh Anthony Smith. Now, if we put Steepe
against any one of those guys, we would think that
Steepe is going to dominate that fight and.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Finish the probably finish him.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
So those are the things that people are not looking at,
giving stuff that I don't even think about. Yeah, I
think I think you have to if you're fighting a
guy who's looked up, Like when I was fighting in
his sil I wasn't looking at him. Just knock out
everybody so easily and put his hands down and play
with them.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And oh, my god, he's unbeatable.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
I looked at chel sent and took him down every
time they know, and was beating him until the end.
I knew I had better Jiu Jitsum at him, so
I compared myself to Jail. I'm like, all right, I
mean I got this. There was other fights that you've seen. Okay,
he's he's beatable. You don't look at step is not
looking at all the stuff that everybody else is looking at.
And it seems because of it, and and and Steve
(28:58):
is the type of dude to put a chip on
the should and he's a little bit more dangerous.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
How do you and Eric Ander's on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
I'm hoping to just pick him a part on the feet,
get him to the ground, and just show the level
level difference between us, and you know, look for a finish.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I gotta I gotta make it look pretty.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Chris Wiman fights Saturday, UFC three oh nine. But you
heard that breakdown the Domain event. That's why I put
him on my show on in the morning because of that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
That's why this guy does TV work. And he's good looking.
You better looking when you keep that weight.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Now, I know my wife said that she goes, I
like you with the chisel jaw.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I don't say that.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
The problem is I shave and I got a fat face,
I got double chin and stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Because you're like, don't say that. Because at the end
of his trading camp, I'm going back.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
It was like I like, I was two of five
cut wait, you know, and she's like, you look good
at two of five.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yo, stop it, I'm gonna be to five man. You guys, well,
it's a pipe dream that's tap into everything that Chris
Wiman's doing. Follow him Instagram, Twitter, x now, Facebook, everything else.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Until next time, guys.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
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YouTube channel, and I got guys like the all American
who won't ever back down like that.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
That's right, you like that? Until next time, guys, please
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