April 14, 2025 • 48 mins
John Middlekauff offers up his instant reaction to Rory McIlroy finally winning the Masters and completing the career Grand Slam. John discusses what's next for Rory, and how many more majors can he win? John also offers his takes on the play of runner-up Justin Rose, Bryson DeChambeau, Ludvig Åberg and last year's Masters winner, Scottie Scheffler.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on, everybody, how are we doing?
John Middlcoff, that'd be me, And we're gonna do a
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little go Low podcast because Rory McElroy just won the
freaking Masters. He completes the Grand Slam wins at Augusta
in captivating, just fascinating. I mean, I don't even know
what to say. I don't even have enough adjectives in
the vocabulary to describe what just went down Sunday afternoon.
What a roller coaster ride of a golf tournament, in
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a golf round by the young man, the young lad
from across the pond, but Rory McElroy gets it done.
So we will dive into everything that we just witnessed.
This will be a heavy go Low Rory McElroy Masters podcast.
I went on with Colin as well after the Masters talk,
a little Masters talk, a little football Nico, the big story,
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having an average or as the kids would say, mid
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
We dove into that.
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Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You walk into the office getting ready to sling some
takes about the Masters. You've had your notebook out there
for hours, and you're just thinking, like, what can you
even possibly say about what we just witnessed? Like most people,
if you're watching this, you were probably glued for the
roller coaster that was Rory McElroy.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And it kind of hit me.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I don't think any round has I would say been
like a metaphor or symbolized. McElroy's career starts the first
hole double bogie. He's tied for the lead with Bryson.
All of a sudden, second hole he's losing. You're like,
what is going on? Yesterday he started Bertie Eagle Bertie,
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so it was like he started in a blink of
an eye. He's five under or four under today he
goes like, how is this happening? And then a couple
holes go by and all of a sudden he's turning
into hole ten and he's got a four shot lead,
and the greatness was on full display. The Greg Norman
elements to his career were on full display. But unlike
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Tiger Woods, who when he got a lead in a major,
he just suffocated you like an anaconda, Unlike some of
the legendary players that couldn't get it done, they just
unravel and the train falls off the tracks and it's just,
you know, a dumpster fire for a couple hours, and
you feel bad. And in those situations, usually the television,
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you know, Jim Nantz or whoever you know, even some
of the other like British Open, you don't even show
the guy. Once you get to like Hold ten, eleven, twelve.
Today it was just like what is gonna happen? And
you thought countless times he's gonna win the Masters, He's
gonna run away with the Masters, and then you thought
multiple times he's.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Going to lose the Masters.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He hit one of the worst shots you will ever
see in your entire life on Whole thirteen when he
dumps it into the drink, and all of a sudden,
you're like, this is really about to go down. He
had a four shot lead about fifteen minutes before that.
All of a sudden, he dumps in the drink. He
double bogies Justin Rose berries a birdie put on sixteen
and they're tied.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You're just like, is this is.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This real life? Is this really going on? And then
on fifteen he hits an even better shot than he
hit yesterday, which I would say most people that are
close to golf or fall the sport say it's probably
the best shot and most important shot he's ever hit
yesterday when he hit the six iron into fifteen. Today
he even hits a more improbable shot because he has
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to hook it around the trees with a seven iron,
and he knocks it like five feet and you're like.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Like we said the total implosion on thirteen to that
shot on fifteen, it's the ultimate Rory McElroy experience. He's got,
let's face it, he's got a.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Little Phil Mickelson to him.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You never quite know what's gonna happen. Jordan Speith, I
would say, definitely has that in him, but he's no
longer that good like Rory is still i'd say right
now in twenty twenty five the best player in the world.
I mean, this is this third win of the year.
No one's playing better. And for the most part, I mean,
he had some crazy holes today. He was easily the
best player in the tournament. You know, Rose actually today
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threw his hat in the ring after a rough day yesterday.
But he hits that ball in fifteen like he's gonna
knock this in for eagle. All he's got to do
is par out and everything's good, and then the putt's
not even close, and as Emmand said, he got out
of his stance before the ball even rolled, like two rotations.
You're like, Rory and tap in birdie. But it felt
like a letdown. And then he misses on sixteen seventeen
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actually incredible birdie. So he goes birdie on fifteen, par
sixteen and seventeen. You know, sometimes some of these shot tracers,
I think mess with us because these guys are hitting
the ball so far, and sometimes you see the shot tracer,
you're like, oh, that's in the trees, and then it's
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perfectly in the fairway, like on seventeen with Rory, and
then he knocks it pretty tight, taps in his birdie
and you're like, okay, Parr and he wins the Masters
and then he splits the fairway on eighteen, You're.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Like, this is gonna be easy.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Dumps it in the bunker again, the most Rory moment
of all time. Can't get up and down and we're
going to a playoff. I gotta be honest with you.
I didn't have much faith he was gonna win the playoff.
I honestly I thought he was gonna lose. Maybe not
on the first hole, because if they would have tied
after eighteen, they would have gone to ten. But I
just felt like I didn't have any confidence. Now I
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didn't have I technically had money on him, but I
parlayed him with Colin Morikawa. But I did not believe
he was gonna win after what happened on eighteen. Again,
it's not Norman or Speeth or even Rory back in
the day when he imploded here, because that is just
an absolute train off the track. Shoot eighty, it's like,
what are you gonna do? Or dump multiple balls in
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the water, end up losing by several shots. I think
Jordan was seven under. I saw the screenshot today and
Danny Willett was two under when Jordan was going to
hold ten. So we had a five shot lead going
to the back nine, and then it was just I
mean a joke. This was every time that he would
do something incredibly stupid, he would immediately totally redeem himself
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and hit like two of the best shots you've ever
seen and like tap in birdie. But once eighteen happened,
I'm like, I don't know how any human being, with
the motions of what's on the line for this player,
of the pressure that's on his back for this player
to win this tournament could go through everything he just
did for eighteen holes, missed that putt on eighteen, and
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then beat a guy who is just flaming hot. I mean,
Justin Rose shoots sixty six to day, Barry's like a
thirty footer on eighteen, goes nuts with the crowd. Has
you know, for a guy that's more than likely never
gonna win this tournament, he has been an incredible Masters player.
After he had the lead on Thursday, I saw the
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stat floating around. He's led this tournament after Thursday five
different times. He's gonna be runner up in this tournament.
He's got to be the first guy in Master's history
to be runner up twice and play in multiple playoffs.
So you're just like I don't know, man I And
then Justin Rose hits the fair way on the playoff hole.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't think worry and I listen.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
None of us normal mortals in go, whether you're a
five handicap or twenty handicap, you're.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Just putting yourself in Rory's shoes.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
After Rose splits the fairway on the Masters, it just
feels like you blew it. You're like, how could you
possibly keep your heart rate down right now? And I've
seen Rory talk about this. He really works on it.
I'm awful at this, and sometimes when it crosses my mind,
I'm like, I don't even think this would help. But
he's big on like keeping your mouth shut, you know,
and breathe through your nose and it slows the heart rate.
And I was looking at him, I'm like, I can't
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even imagine the mind games he's playing with himself right
now to calm his emotions. Because if he gets a
little quick snaps it, you know, he's he's playing that cut,
which he's done all week long on eighteen and been awesome.
And sometimes he hits the ball so far that what
I said about the shot tracer, you think it's going
in the trees. It's not even close to the trees,
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but I'm like, he's aiming kind of toward, you know,
the left side of the bunker. He's trying to play
that power cut probably three twenty three point thirty up
the hill, and You're like, this could get squirrely in
multiple ways. He could duck hook it into the trees,
which any human being that's ever set up for a
cut has experienced, or which he had done earlier in
the day, and honestly he had done on seventeen with
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the three wood, but luckily it didn't go far enough
that what if he just overcuts it and he just
loses the masters right here? And I just was like,
would this be the worst thing I've ever seen? Because
you just find yourself as a human being rooting for
this guy everything that you just witnessed. You know, he's
obviously there's never going to be another Tiger Woods again.
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When Tiger got the lead, there really wasn't that much
drama to it. You just got to watch this guy
who was like a robot machine killer and it was
just a thrill ride. And because he's you know, he
didn't move the needle. He was the needle you stayed glued.
But I do think that whatever we witnessed today, and
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I'm you know, if this was nineteen ninety two and
Sports Illustrated was still around, there would be some incredible
articles being written about him. Now, the written words kind
of dead, so it's all gonna be US YouTubers and podcasts.
But I just that was an experience unlike I've ever
had watching golf, and obviously the build up when you
haven't won a major in a decade, the hype coming
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in on him.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I think I talked about it last week.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I didn't pull the trigger when it came to betting
on ry McElroy, not because I didn't think he could win. Hell,
I've been saying forever. It's like, guys, he's gonna win
multiple more majors. Don't get fooled by what happened at
the Open when Cam Smith won it, or what happened
at LACC when Wyndham Clark won it and he just
couldn't make a putt in either one of.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Those events, or what happened last.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Year at the US Open, which I would say was
way more devastating relatives than the other two. He's just
too good. And then he goes this year, he wins
at Pebble, he wins the players. You're like, this guy's
fucking playing unbelievable. And then he's cruising on Thursday, he's
four under and then all of a sudden he doubles
two of the last three holes and you're like, this
is a disaster. Then he comes to the next day
and shoots sixty six.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Then he shoots sixty six again on on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
You're like, this is this is insane.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
But this is the Ry McElroy experience.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Honestly, it's a little unlike Phil and we thought and
I have thought coming in today that you know forever
most of like my I would say junior high to
you know, ten years ago, for like a twenty year span,
it was like, we need Tiger and Phil Tiger and
Phil Tiger and Phil. But golf is not like football,
where if your two teams are really good and you're
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in the same conference, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes play each
other every single season. Every single season in the regular season,
they're gonna play each other, and it just works out.
When you're on two of the best teams, you end
up playing each other all the time. In the playoffs.
I mean what they've played for the last five years.
Same thing with Brady and Manning. It's like they're in
the same conference, they're both winning their division, They're gonna
automatically play each other every single year, and then they
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end up playing each other in the playoffs. I don't
know off the top of my head, I would guess
seven eight times. And obviously it took a long time
for Manning to get over. But it's all we wanted
Tiger and Phil. No one ever thought Phil was better
than Tiger, But could we get a couple of duels
in a PGA Championship, in a US Open, at the Masters,
I mean a place where Tiger is five and Phil
is three? And it just never happened. It just never happened,
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you know why, because it's not two teams playing each other. Really,
you're playing in the Masters one guy vers ninety five players,
or the US Open or the PGA Championships one guy
versus one hundred and fifty. So the statistical likelihood, and
I'm no math major, just doesn't work out that often.
And now we get this epic moment last year with
Bryson Rory, and then we get it again they're in
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the final group on Sunday, and you're like, this is
everything I always wanted. And again Bryson is gonna go
down as an all time player, right, He's gonna win
more majors as well. But this isn't Tiger Phil. But
this is still pretty cool. I'm like, this is this
is the modern day. We're getting a rivalry. It's happened twice.
Two of the last three majors, these two guys have
gone and in Bryson after a couple of holes, like
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he had nothing, I mean his iron game. It is
remarkable that he even hung around this tournament. Any human
being that's ever had the duck hooks now, I wouldn't
call his the duck hooks, but just like a rope
draw hook, not quite a hook, not quite a draw
somewhere in the middle. It's not a controllable thing. And
when you hit the ball is hard and as far
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as Bryson, his irons like you can't control it. Especially
at Augusta. It was like yesterday he held it together
by his short game. Today he had no chance. I
mean hell, I mean he hits the ball in the
water on eleven. He just hit the ball again in
the water on fifteen. He just couldn't control his irons.
And when he can't control your ryans, you got no shot.
So then justin Rose and Ludwig and yeah, man, I
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do believe that what we just witnessed, I don't think
we've ever seen anything quite like it. And I do
think that Rory now is in this world where he
has the career Grand Slam. He's on the short list
of players. He's the first guy since Tiger to accomplish that,
you know, the only guy and quote unquote his generation
with as many majors as Brooks. But when you look
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at the two resumes, the totality the two players, they
are not comparable. I mean, Rory's in a different stratosphere
than Brooks, and I think if we were all betting
on it, and I'm not taking shot at Brooks. I mean,
Brook's an incredible major player, but he's won two majors, right,
He's won three PGAs and two US Opens.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Rory's got them all. And Rory's like peaking and me
he's playing the best golf of his life.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I know Rory won four majors when he was young.
He's a dramatically better player in twenty twenty five, and
now that he gets this office back, I think the
you know, the sky is the limit now. I'm hesitant
to go like he's gonna win ten majors now, but
you'd be insane to think that he's not gonna win
a couple more. I'd put the over under probably a
like he's got five now, probably seven and a half.
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I feel pretty confident he's gonna rattle off a couple
more now what I get into like eight or nine.
That feels pretty strong. But I think now he's chasing
and I can't speak to Jack and Trevino and Arnie
and the Ben Hogan's and all those guys. You know,
you can rank them however you want. It's like if
you're coming at me with Jim Brown and Babe Ruth,
like I never saw these guys play. We can YouTube
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at all you want. I say it all the time.
When you were arguing someone as a player, when you've
watched them in the prime of their career, you have
a much better argument and a much better leg to
stand on than you do when you're just like shitting
on a guy or propping a guy up based on
just numbers, not having experienced them, I feel very confident
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talking to someone about Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers,
Steph Curry, Tiger Woods, whoever. I'm not gonna be as confident,
like breaking down Joe Montana and Larry Bird and Jack Nicholas.
We can google them all we want, but if you
don't live through their era, it's hard to feel as comfortable.
And I live through the Tiger and Phil era and
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those you know. Obviously, Tiger I think for me, greatest
player ever. Now He's never gonna have as many majors
as Jack. But that's beside the point of the last
of the Internet era Tigers in a world by himself.
I would say the number two play of that era
is also in a world by himself, it's Phil Mickelson.
Then there's an argument of a group of like six
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or seven guys, and Rory was always a part of
that argument. Rory, Jordan, Spi, Brooks, Koepka, Ernie Els a
bunch of guys right, And now I think Rory is
in hot pursuit of Phil Mickelson. He is one major
away from tying him. He's basically twenty years younger. Phil
has forty five career victories. Now, the one thing Phil has,
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which is a remarkable statistic, he has finished second in
twelve majors. That's pretty nuts. Rory's finished fourth or four
times second in majors, So Phil's major record finishing second
is pretty like eye opening. And obviously he's never won
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a US Open, so he doesn't have a career Grand Slam,
but he's finished second in that tournament I think six times,
which like to me, adds to the lore because this
is not football, where either win or loses Super Bowl
or you win or lose the AFC Championship Game. It's
like Josh Allen can't beat Patrick Malomes, that's a fact.
Like Phil Mickelson, like he beat basically everyone else in
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the tournament constantly, he just couldn't beat the one guy.
And famously I think at wing foot when he pumps
at O B on eighteen. I mean, he had some
pretty memorable moments. But like that is who now Rory
is inside of and in the prime of his career
keep rattling off wins. I think today was his twenty
ninth wins, so he's sixteen wins behind him in one
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major behind him. So if he can maintain, assuming that
he stays healthy and assuming now that he has the
same level of drive, which you know, it's weird the
last three or four years he's had this thing to
be chasing, right, and it just kept motivating him, and
you just wonder, now just human psychology, like is this
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guy just gonna be tiger moving forward and maintain like
in three days be out there banging balls and working
out and nothing changes. What maintained this level of play.
And we've seen it with the Chiefs like Patrick Mahomes
has not taken the foot off the pedal at all,
rattling off Super Bowls. Well, Rory has had this huge
gap of not winning anything in his mind that mattered
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the most, given it's the majors, and chased it and
chased it and chased it, and a heartache and heartache
and heartache and heartache finally accomplishes it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's like those leadership gurus.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Talk about, like you bang the rock, you bang the rock,
and it might take you a year, might take you
ten years, it might take you one hundred years. Finally
on that million swing, the rock cracks. But it's not
actually the million swing that cracks the rock. It's all
the accumulation of the swings. And that's where all these
athletes or anyone that's successful talk about.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
It's over and over and over.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's about you know the process. And listen, I say
it all the time. People want to know about Nick
Saban's process. People want to know about Jeff Bezos's process.
No one gives a shit about the average guy's process.
So part of like making quote unquote the process meaningful,
you got to be really, really successful. And now there's
no arguing or disputing Rory McElroy and this. I don't
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want to say he's icing on the cake, but it
feels like that a little bit, and that to me
is where I go. I would be a little unsure
what to look for moving forward because if that does
feel like that is like the rest of this year
a wash?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Right? Is the rest of this year? Now?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Listen, he's he would much rather like It's not like
if he had lost this tournament to Justin Rose with
that lit a fire under his ass and had him
just keep grinding and grinding and grinding and maintained this
high level of play, you would choose winning this tournament
and then just figure it out moving forward. But Quail
Hollow is hosting the PGA Championship here in a month.
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I'm pretty sure he's won there a bunch of times,
and more than likely now with Scotty Scheffler, who actually
kind of came on at the end, gonna be the
betting favorite. So I think the question mark is like,
are we getting the same Rory the rest of the year,
because if we are this, he.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Could win another major.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Hell, he could win a couple like last year when
Xander won the PGA Championship, he clearly no foot off
the pedal, kept it down. A couple months later wins
the Open. All of a sudden, he's got two majors,
and I don't think how see how anyone who watches
golf could go well. If Rory just maintains whatever he's doing.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I'd argue he'd be the favorite at definitely the PGA
and the US Open, and hell, the Open at Royal
Port Rush, like some might call that a home game,
gonna be pretty advantageous for him.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So I would say, at this point in time, assuming
that pedals of the mettle and nothing changes from what
he's been doing, I'll give him the week off this
upcoming week. But like, I, what would it feel like,
you know, like he didn't accomplish what he should have
if he doesn't win another major this year because he's
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been so close to these last couple of years. Now
he gets this office back, does he win a major
this upcoming year by four or five? Because I do
look at him a little differently in these other tournaments
now than I would previously, where clearly the pressure got
to him. All you have to do is watch thirteen today.
All you have to do is watch eighteen. I don't
understand if you're Rory McElroy, how you don't just hit
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that ball in the middle of the green and I listen,
I've never been in that situation, just like anyone listening
or watching has ever been in that situation. But when
you're that good at golf, when you're in the middle
of the fairway and you have one hundred and what
was it forty yard shot? How no matter what, just
get the thing on the green too putt and we
win the Masters. To hit that in the bunker is
like I can't even imagine Tiger Wood's reaction at home,
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like what how does that happen? And honestly, going back
to thirteen. Someone I had a buddy named Mark send me.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
This clip the other day of like a statistical.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Guy breaking down how you should play par fives and
basically it is always advantage player to go for it,
because today he lays up and then he dunks it
into the water where Jim Nantz and Immlman almost fell
out of the booth so shocked and just dumbfounded on
how that could happen. But if you go, even if
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you hit it in the water, going in the water
is a winstroke penalty. So you drop at fifty sixty yards,
you're hitting four. In worst case scenario, you're gonna be
putting for part even if it's twenty feet and you miss,
you tap in a bogie when you lay up, and
the same thing happens. I mean, it's gonna be very,
very difficult to bogey. And all of a sudden he's
got a double and it feels like it might as
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well have been a quadruple, and you could feel it
on his face. Honestly, that reaction when he hit the
ground at the end had to be the overcoming of
like those two shots on eighteen, his second shot, his
third shot on thirteen. Some of those just god awful putts.
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And again this is all relative to one of the greatest.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Players of all time.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I mean, this guy is a couple more big wins
away from being like, is he either a top five
golfer of all time like Tiger or Jack? Is he
like start being in the mix of the Arnold Palmers,
Ben Hogan, Gary players. I mean, this is this is.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
The company he's chasing.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And again, Phil, he might not be five, but he's
definitely closer to five than ten. So you start chasing him,
you start saying goodbye, Like think about Rory right now.
Has nothing in common with guys like Justin Thomas. Hell,
even Jordan Speith. Jordan Spiece is.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Not that good anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Kopka, who knows he might never be the same. That
moment a couple of years ago at the PGA might
have been his last claim to fame, And there's nothing
wrong with that. You're five time major champion, Like it's you.
You're in pretty special company. Dustin Johnson missed the cut
this week. It is like see audios, So like, who
are we talking with Scotty? I mean, we we anointed
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him rightfully, So I mean he's won two Majors, but
they've both been the same tournament. So before we start
comparing him to some of these other guys, like he's
got to win another major beside the Masters, and right now,
it just feels like he's a little off, and it's
still damn good. He's clearly, you know, one of the
great talents on the PGA Tour and on any given
day could beat anybody. But he's not what he was
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last year. You got Xander who's got a fucked up
rib who I actually think finished a little higher than
I thought because his name come on the leader boards,
Like I haven't even I don't even think I've seen
Xander hit a shot like Colin Morikawa Victor Hovlin. So
it's like, yeah, the tour has never been deeper, right,
And that's not really debatable, right, even relative to what
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Tiger had to deal with in the late nineties early
two thousands, the depth of talent won through like twenty
five thirty five like that range. These guys are really
really good. And some of these older guys we just
saw it with Justin Rose Adam Scott. I almost said
Hideki because I feel like a Decki's forty, but he's
actually like thirty. I think he shot six hundred today
when before like half the people even turned on the Masters.
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But you know, they're still playing at a high level.
It's really really deep. This is the best player and
now where he's going what he did today most Rory
McElroy round ever, and this little rivalry it doesn't quite
you know, it's they didn't really go at it after
like five or six holes because on the third hole
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Rory McElroy is actually Bryson takes the lead on two.
Then by three it flips again because Rory birdie's, Bryson
bogies and that's it for basically Bryson, because then Rory
would birdie again and get to twelve, and by like
hole nine he's thirteen under and Bryson's nine under and
it was over. Then Bryson hits in the water on eleven,
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Cyanara ejects himself, which happens. I actually think Bryson had
an incredible respectable week for a guy that was just
snapping his irons to the left, and he kept saying
that like, I can't my irons, I can't control the
face of the club. Now, granted he builds these clubs,
to do that, but for whatever's happening, and listen, I
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understand he's a grinder, but you have to wonder if
like he's hitting five bags of balls after Saturday, and
he's in awesome shape. He looks good, he's found a
perfect like a sweet spot of not too fat slash
muscle bound.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
He just looks really good.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I wonder if he's gonna have to find some
balance of like hitting a couple shots on the range
after round of dial stuff and just bang balls into
the night like you're.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Thirty years old.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You only have so much energy, and maybe he ran
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Speaker 2 (29:18):
Post Tiger.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I think you see it sometimes, like with Mahomes and
the Chiefs. You know what we got to experience with Brady,
what we got to experience with Tiger. There are these
outlier situations even if other guys come and have remarkable careers.
I mean, Mahomes, if he never played another snap, what
he accomplished in like a six to seven year span
is just Lamar and Josh. I mean, two of the
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best players I've ever seen, been watching football for thirty years,
are never gonna sniff those accomplishments. It's just not gonna happen.
If either one were to win multiple Super Bowls, it'd
be like holy shit, right, And what Tiger would do
beating these people and just suffocating them, never fucking up.
I mean part of when you hear these like historians,
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guys like Brandal talk about Tiger, Tiger was pretty boring.
He was just leave in the right spots, hit the
right side of the green.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
He two putt.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
He would never screw up. He would never screw up.
He can't relate to hitting into the water on thirteen,
He can't relate to hitting into the bunker on eighteen.
Doesn't mean he's gonna hit it tight. I think sometimes
you think of Tiger like hitting it three feet on
every hole, but like never doing that. And sometimes it's like,
what do they say, dumb loses more games than smart wins.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
It's not that much.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Different golf, Like the professionals talk about this all the time,
where do I miss?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Where do I miss? Where do I miss?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Because you're not gonna hit perfect shots like Rory shot
on fifteen when he hits that hook around the trees.
That's I don't want to say a once in a
lifetime shot, because he's a once in a lifetime or
once in a generation type player and he's hit countless
shots like that. But you don't hit that many shots
on a Sunday in a major in your entire career,
right that, Actually that shot is much more the outlier
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than just like just hit it to the left side
of the green. And tuput or just miss it in
the right bunker on a par five where you can
get up and down or leave yourself a pretty good
BIRDI putt worst case scenario, you par you're up multiple shots,
like that's how you win a lot of these major
especially once you get to the US Open, where these
holes really penalize you with you know, crazy rough or
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missing fairways. And I just think you watched Rory and
one thing. I don't know if you ever cleaned this up.
It's part of the package. I mean, this was always
kind of the part of the package with Phil. And
it's sad that we don't get much great speech anymore,
but that's a huge part of it. With speed, is
like at any moment, on any given shot over like
one hundred and eighty yards, anything can happen off the tee.
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Even Rory, who most people consider the greatest driver of
all time. I think on five he pumped one. There's
not really out of bounds at the Masters, but you're like,
is that going out of bounds? He's like stop, stop, stop.
I mean, there would just be these moments you're like,
oh my god, even.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
On seventeen where clearly the tracer was off.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
You're like, did he just pump this three wood into
the trees?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And it's believable. It is believable.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
So I actually think in a weird way, Rory upped
his like his appeal and this was a huge part
of the Michelson appeal. Like Tiger's appeal was just I'm
gonna dominate. I am going to win, right, I'm just
never gonna lose. And it doesn't mean he actually never lost.
He definitely did. But when I have a lead, especially
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in a major, chalk it up w for me, and
most people are not that.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And Rory has just.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Kind of established himself of like anything can kind of happen. Now,
the greatest thing happened today, and that's winning the Masters,
And now he gets to sit at this table with
these guys from Jack to Tiger to Phil to even
a lot of his contemporaries, right Dustin Johnson, Jordan Speith.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, man, that was that was wild. That was I
really I that was riveting.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
The end was and the beginning was, but there was
a middle stretch from like six to ten where it
did feel a little inevitable. I mean, if you look,
and I'm sure DraftKings will put this out at the
EBB and flow of his odds. I mean, he starts
today at minus two hundred, so you gotta bet one hundred.
You got to bet two hundred dollars to win one
hundred by the second hole when he's one down, I
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looked and I thought about it, but again it felt
like he might choose like eighty. He was plus one
thirty five, and then I would imagine when he's multiple
shots up on like hole nine and ten. I mean,
at one point in time on ten he got to
fourteen hunder. My guess is actually think I checked. I
don't know if it was ten or twelve, he was
minus five hundred. Well when he takes when Justin Rose
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takes the lead, after he bogies, what hold did he
boge bogie fourteen?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I would guess that at.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Worst he was probably even odds or maybe like minus
one twenty still to win.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
But man, that was that was wild. Do you know
what's cool is.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Sometimes in the sports calendar, And there's the great part
about the reality show that is, you know, the highest
level of professional sports, whether it's Federer playing Djokovic, whether
it's Tiger going at it with whoever, whether it's Mahomes
versus Jalen Hurts and the Eagles. You might get an
all time great game, you might get a game that
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felt like a blot. I remember laying on my couch
in what would have been twenty seventeen and falling asleep
in the first half, quote unquote, falling asleep, like dozing off,
being pretty bored twenty eight to three, and it was like,
the Patriots are gonna lose this game, like forty to ten.
And then things happened and that you just never forget.
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And sometimes the things in golf that you never forget
are to me the two biggest meltdowns of all time,
or Vandervelt at the Open and obviously Greg Norman here
at the Masters. And in football, twenty eight to three
is just in a world by itself. I think there
was when I was really really young. I don't know
if it was ninety or ninety one, there was like
a legendary comeback the Buffalo Bills, and I think Frank Reich,
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the new coach for Stanford, was the quarterback. Maybe Jim
Kelly was hurt and they were playing I think the
Houston Oilers and we're down. I don't have the score
of top thirty five to three or something like that,
and came storming back. And you just get these games
in these moments, and it might be the first round
of the playoffs, it might be a super Bowl, it
could be a Major. It also just could be just
(35:41):
a pebble beach and you never know when it's gonna happen.
And it's what makes all this so fun. And obviously
now that you know golf gambling and something I've been
doing now pretty consistently for a couple of years, adds
a huge element to it that that was a wild ride.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I don't even know who else to talk about.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
A lot of respect, a lot of respect for what
he did today. And like I said, I truly believed
when not only when they teed off on eighteen, but
Rory got to the tee in the playoff, it felt
like five minutes before Justin.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
It was like, is Justin Rose?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Is he just hitting a couple extra balls or is
he playing mind games with him? Clearly he knows them
really well. They've been on the Ryder Cup team together
for fifteen plus years. You didn't quite know and maybe
it was gonna work. And then he split that team
you're like, oh my god, this is really gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
So props to Justin Rose, who is a badass.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I mean, he's another guy's he's only got one major.
I mean some of these other guys were listed to
have multiple of his of the last fifteen to twenty years.
But what a fucking stud, what a badass to be
playing at this level. That's what's I would say different
about golf than basically any team sport obviously, even any
individual sport. The other big individual sport would be tennis.
You're not gonna play at a high level in tennis
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in your mid forty like you can in golf. I mean, hell,
Tiger Woods won the Masters. I think he was forty
four and nineteen. That's just not happening. Intend Like you're
not winning Wimbledon at forty four with all these injuries.
That's just that's never happening. Obviously, in football, basketball, and baseball,
Tom Brady and Nolan Ryan just don't. I mean, they're
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outliers for a reason. You know, Roger Clemens was on
who knows what, throwing ninety eight pitching for the Yankees
and the Astros when he was forty three or forty four. Clearly,
I mean this is not the case. We're in golf,
you're seeing guys. I mean, Phil Mickelson won a major
a couple of years ago at like fifty to fifty
one years old. So you just you can never sleep
on these guys, the Adam Scotts, the Justin Roses. I mean,
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one day, guys like Rory will be forty two years old,
and it's not inconceivable that some of this guys in
this generation, like all of a sudden they're in the
mix to win one of these majors. It's what makes
like Ludwig, you know, ultimately like he looks like an
unstoppable for one just actually he just looks like a golfer,
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good looking dude, tall, skinny, beautiful swing, unfazed by screw
ups like I saw Brandal Shamblie talking about it on
Live fro. Him never throws tantrums in a sport. And
I'm guilty of this too. I threw one a couple
of weeks ago. People just throw their hat, hit their
driver on the tea box and make a big divot.
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It's just natural human reaction when you screw up, and
it just feels like he is completely unfaced now he
all time meltdown on eighteen. I think he had a
triple bogie. He three putted seventeen to just kind of unravel.
But this guy looked like he was poised to like
back to back year second last year, and looked like
he was gonna be third this year. Like this guy
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feels like he is coming.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
He is.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean this the talent on That guy is oozing
out of his golf swing. Love Ludwig, fun player to
watch what a badis. We were actually at a I
was at a birthday dinner last night, or.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
No, it was a couple nights ago. Was it last night?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I forget wheorse, Oh no, it was last night. We
were talking about, you know, some of these schools. I
follow this one guy, one of the best college golfers
in the country, and he his Instagram. I mean he
is dating a girl that ten years ago, one hundred
percent probably dates the quarterback at the school. And this
is a power five like high level program. But if
you're smart and you go into some of these rooms,
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it's like, yeah, this quarterback, the guy might be a
six round pick. This guy is probably going to play
on the PGA tour for twenty years, and.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
If you see what sits on the back of their collar,
it says net jets. They don't go to commercial airports
starting at twenty twenty one, twenty two years old.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
So Ludwig is a good example.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
He's at Texas Tech from Sweden. Victor was like this
at Oklahoma State. I'm sure they're in the weight room,
some of these girls chasing the football players. Now, if
you get the right football player, don't blame you, But
a lot of those guys a couple of years on
the practice squad ain't making any coin. That fucker Ludvig
is gonna be worth one hundred million dollars one million
percent by the time he's like twenty.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Five years old.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I would be all over that cat, just like some
of these guys at like Arizona State, Auburn, Alabama, the
best college programs. If the guy's number one or number
two on your team and he's playing in some PGA events,
date him because that guy usually is a rocket ship
right to big ass homes, sweet ass lives. Now, that's
what's changed dramatically about the sport is I think Rory
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today biggest person ever four point two the amount of
money these guys are winning. Rory's rich before he won
or lost this tournament. But Maria was telling me a story.
She was at an open house. There was like four
or five million dollars and the people coming in to
see it. Here in Arizona, down in Paradise Valley were
PGA Tour golfing caddies, the caddies. Now this guy was
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on the bag for I would say, like a top
fifty player, not like Rory or Ludwig or Scottie. And
they're looking at homes worth four or five million dollars,
the caddies. Part of it's the Saudi's the influx of
money that the PGA Tour at the back. All these
guys are so rich, not just the top guys, which
has always been the case Tiger, Phil Jack, Greg Norman.
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I'm talking about like the forty eighth guy on tour,
the sixty second guy on tour is not only a
multi millionaire.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
His caddy is rolling in dough.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I mean Scotty's caddy last year I think made seven
million dollars. And that assumes that he's only kicking them
ten percent. I'm sure they're really close should get other bonuses.
Who knows he might have netted ten million dollars fucking
Caddy one season. So the money that is flowing on
this tour, it's not you know, NBA or NFL money,
because it's weird, Like, beside your sponsors, which the top
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guys make a lot, you got to go earn it
as the player, right, It's it's the ultimate meritocracy. Like
the only way you win the big pot of money
at the end of a tournament is you gotta win
the tournament. I went to a Suns game, what was
that Tuesday?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Watch Bradley Beal.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
He's getting paid fifty million dollars, whether he's an All
Star or whether he gave the lowest effort I've ever
seen from an NBA player that makes a lot of money.
In my life of attending sporting events for thirty plus years,
that I can remember like this is this is crazy
golfs the opposite. If you want to make fifty million dollars,
you better win a lot of tournaments.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
So a lot of these guys.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
But now it's like you get like six and start
racking up seven eight hundred thousand dollars a tournament and
that's that's what really changed, and inevitably all these guys
get back together, and I'll end on a couple things
really quick. One takeaway I had is clearly what's cool
about the Masters is everyone gets back together. And John
Rahm actually showed sight of signs of life after the
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first after the first round. I don't know where he
ended up finishing, but he definitely didn't have a terrible week.
Let me just pull up where he finished. I just
want to read off some of the guys on live
where they finished. So like Terrell had in T fourteen,
John Rahm T fourteen, Bryson T. Five, but really he
was right there. Patrick Reid was third. We all know lifts,
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you know got some all time great I mean, John Rahm,
if he ever came back to the PGA Tour got
his mojo back, is an elite player. Bryson clearly is
an awesome player. You could argue though, if that you
could only just get one guy back, just one guy.
It's the YouTuber It's Bryson d Chambeau. I just think
like he has separated himself. Now you want him all
(43:33):
back because part of sports you need.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Good guys, you need bad guys.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
You need crazy guys, you need fun guys, like having
Patrick Reid around, having Trell hatton helicopter in clubs, like
you need all that.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
But if you could, just if you had to choose, like.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
You're only allotted one guy from Live, it'd be like
the equivalent of like you're drafting number one and Andrew
Lux in the draft. It's not twenty twenty five where
it's like, well, should we take Travis Hunter number one?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
It's a no.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
It'd be Bryson. And then I think we could argue
all day long who's the number two?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
That is?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
How much over the last I would say eighteen twelve
months he's separated from the pack, and his popularity his
I would just say, overall influence and fame, and it
feels he's really really famous. Obviously, his high level of
play would not shock me at all. I was already
looking at the odds. I think he's an auto bet.
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The next two majors to win wouldn't shock me at all.
He's got to dial in these irons a little bit.
But at the PGA Championship or the US Open, clearly
got a dial in the irons, Like can't win the
US open with him hitting irons like today. But one
thing you know about Bryson is like, if you tell
me he's gonna hit balls all week long for eighteen hours,
like it's believable. As he's shooting youtubes, so he's really
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separated from the pack. And last, but not least, I mean,
the funniest thing that's ever happened in the history of
Masters is the kid from Arizona State Ballisteros who it's
got to be just what an incredible honor has to
be as an amateur to play in this tournament. He's
playing with Justin Thomas, he's playing with Scottie Shuffler, and he's.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Got to take a leak.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I've been there, You've been there. Sometimes you just got
to take a piss. And he pisses in Rays Creek,
I would say, easily the most famous body of water.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
And it's not even a body of water.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Let's say stream of water, because we have some famous
lakes on the PGA tour, and we have you know,
Pebble Beach on the ocean, but stream of water, not
even close Rays Creek.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
He peas in it.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
At the Masters he gets a standing oh because he
didn't realize that everyone could see him clearly. The Masters
has to be furious, probably threatens that he's never allowed back.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
He calls it a river.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
The coach at Arizona State had gotten kicked out not
of the of the driving range of the entire tournament
on Tuesday for wearing shorts, rough forty eight hours for
Arizona State. Great moment for the University Alabama. Though Nick
Dunlapp shoots a ninety on Thursday. He was a kid
that didn't even plan on becoming a pro last year,
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wins in Palm Springs. Doesn't have a choice, just becomes
a pro, wins again later that year. I think up
in Reno at the Barracuda wins twice last year on
the PGA Tour. Now I wouldn't call the AMX and
the Barracudah exactly the Masters and the Memorial. But still
you win twice on the PGA Tour. Incredible fucking accomplishment.
Shoots ninety.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Probably wanted to cry. I had to be the most.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I would guess that Nick Dunlap hasn't shot ninety. I
would assume he's twenty one, twenty two, twenty three years old.
Since he was, I would say younger than fourteen, thirteen twelve.
Maybe he was a late bloomer, so fifteen, but.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
That feels stretching it.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I bet he hasn't shot ninety since, honestly, maybe even
since he's been a teenager. And to shoot ninety at
the Masters and you go on the Masters app and
he's hitting it, I mean, just all over the map,
dropping his club. It's flying right, it's flying left, and
he he's like, he had an awesome Instagram post where he's.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Like, this is the worst.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
And lowest moment of my entire life. And he sends
his trainer to go get him one hundred balls at
target and he just banged him into the woods. And
then he came out the next day and he shot
seventy one, and at one point in time on Friday
he was three under. So I remember when I was
watching a couple of years ago when he won at Amex.
One thing Saban is smart about is he befriends guys
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when he was a coach in Alabama on the golf
team because he plays a lot of golf during the
offseason and he plays for money, and he always has
one of those guys on the team. So he was
buddies with Nick Dunlop because he would always be his
partner when he played, and he called in. I remember
watching on Golf Channel. He's like calling into the AMX
or maybe he was on NBC and Saban was so proud,
like watching Dunlop win this tournament as he was an amateur,
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he didn't even win any money.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
And then to have.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Basically a year later, a little over a year to
shoot ninety at the Masters, I can't even imagine the embarrassment.
And listen to any human being, whether you're a hundred
handicap or scratch Chandycap, has been at a moment where
you just I don't know what's going on on the
golf course. I have no clue where the SHOT's going
to go. I have no clue what's going on my
golf swing. You just feel you're like a cornerback in
the NFL. You're on an island and you got like
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a rolled ankle. You can't run, You got no chance none.
And for him to bounce back, what an incredible accomplishment
by Nick Dunlap nineteen shots swinks. So congratulatory McElroy Master's champ.
What a day man, What a day, the volume
The volume. What is going on, everybody, how are we doing?
John Middlcoff, that'd be me, And we're gonna do a
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little go Low podcast because Rory McElroy just won the
freaking Masters. He completes the Grand Slam wins at Augusta
in captivating, just fascinating. I mean, I don't even know
what to say. I don't even have enough adjectives in
the vocabulary to describe what just went down Sunday afternoon.
What a roller coaster ride of a golf tournament, in
(00:44):
a golf round by the young man, the young lad
from across the pond, but Rory McElroy gets it done.
So we will dive into everything that we just witnessed.
This will be a heavy go Low Rory McElroy Masters podcast.
I went on with Colin as well after the Masters talk,
a little Masters talk, a little football Nico, the big story,
(01:07):
the kid from Tennessee that wanted way more money after
having an average or as the kids would say, mid
season at best.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We dove into that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So if you want a little football talk as well
with a little more golf talk, you can find me
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Speaker 2 (01:29):
This will be up.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
There as well, and get ready for podcasts the rest
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Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You walk into the office getting ready to sling some
takes about the Masters. You've had your notebook out there
for hours, and you're just thinking, like, what can you
even possibly say about what we just witnessed? Like most people,
if you're watching this, you were probably glued for the
roller coaster that was Rory McElroy.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And it kind of hit me.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I don't think any round has I would say been
like a metaphor or symbolized. McElroy's career starts the first
hole double bogie. He's tied for the lead with Bryson.
All of a sudden, second hole he's losing. You're like,
what is going on? Yesterday he started Bertie Eagle Bertie,
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so it was like he started in a blink of
an eye. He's five under or four under today he
goes like, how is this happening? And then a couple
holes go by and all of a sudden he's turning
into hole ten and he's got a four shot lead,
and the greatness was on full display. The Greg Norman
elements to his career were on full display. But unlike
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Tiger Woods, who when he got a lead in a major,
he just suffocated you like an anaconda, Unlike some of
the legendary players that couldn't get it done, they just
unravel and the train falls off the tracks and it's just,
you know, a dumpster fire for a couple hours, and
you feel bad. And in those situations, usually the television,
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you know, Jim Nantz or whoever you know, even some
of the other like British Open, you don't even show
the guy. Once you get to like Hold ten, eleven, twelve.
Today it was just like what is gonna happen? And
you thought countless times he's gonna win the Masters, He's
gonna run away with the Masters, and then you thought
multiple times he's.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Going to lose the Masters.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He hit one of the worst shots you will ever
see in your entire life on Whole thirteen when he
dumps it into the drink, and all of a sudden,
you're like, this is really about to go down. He
had a four shot lead about fifteen minutes before that.
All of a sudden, he dumps in the drink. He
double bogies Justin Rose berries a birdie put on sixteen
and they're tied.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You're just like, is this is.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This real life? Is this really going on? And then
on fifteen he hits an even better shot than he
hit yesterday, which I would say most people that are
close to golf or fall the sport say it's probably
the best shot and most important shot he's ever hit
yesterday when he hit the six iron into fifteen. Today
he even hits a more improbable shot because he has
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to hook it around the trees with a seven iron,
and he knocks it like five feet and you're like.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Like we said the total implosion on thirteen to that
shot on fifteen, it's the ultimate Rory McElroy experience. He's got,
let's face it, he's got a.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Little Phil Mickelson to him.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You never quite know what's gonna happen. Jordan Speith, I
would say, definitely has that in him, but he's no
longer that good like Rory is still i'd say right
now in twenty twenty five the best player in the world.
I mean, this is this third win of the year.
No one's playing better. And for the most part, I mean,
he had some crazy holes today. He was easily the
best player in the tournament. You know, Rose actually today
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threw his hat in the ring after a rough day yesterday.
But he hits that ball in fifteen like he's gonna
knock this in for eagle. All he's got to do
is par out and everything's good, and then the putt's
not even close, and as Emmand said, he got out
of his stance before the ball even rolled, like two rotations.
You're like, Rory and tap in birdie. But it felt
like a letdown. And then he misses on sixteen seventeen
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actually incredible birdie. So he goes birdie on fifteen, par
sixteen and seventeen. You know, sometimes some of these shot tracers,
I think mess with us because these guys are hitting
the ball so far, and sometimes you see the shot tracer,
you're like, oh, that's in the trees, and then it's
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perfectly in the fairway, like on seventeen with Rory, and
then he knocks it pretty tight, taps in his birdie
and you're like, okay, Parr and he wins the Masters
and then he splits the fairway on eighteen, You're.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Like, this is gonna be easy.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Dumps it in the bunker again, the most Rory moment
of all time. Can't get up and down and we're
going to a playoff. I gotta be honest with you.
I didn't have much faith he was gonna win the playoff.
I honestly I thought he was gonna lose. Maybe not
on the first hole, because if they would have tied
after eighteen, they would have gone to ten. But I
just felt like I didn't have any confidence. Now I
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didn't have I technically had money on him, but I
parlayed him with Colin Morikawa. But I did not believe
he was gonna win after what happened on eighteen. Again,
it's not Norman or Speeth or even Rory back in
the day when he imploded here, because that is just
an absolute train off the track. Shoot eighty, it's like,
what are you gonna do? Or dump multiple balls in
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the water, end up losing by several shots. I think
Jordan was seven under. I saw the screenshot today and
Danny Willett was two under when Jordan was going to
hold ten. So we had a five shot lead going
to the back nine, and then it was just I
mean a joke. This was every time that he would
do something incredibly stupid, he would immediately totally redeem himself
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and hit like two of the best shots you've ever
seen and like tap in birdie. But once eighteen happened,
I'm like, I don't know how any human being, with
the motions of what's on the line for this player,
of the pressure that's on his back for this player
to win this tournament could go through everything he just
did for eighteen holes, missed that putt on eighteen, and
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then beat a guy who is just flaming hot. I mean,
Justin Rose shoots sixty six to day, Barry's like a
thirty footer on eighteen, goes nuts with the crowd. Has
you know, for a guy that's more than likely never
gonna win this tournament, he has been an incredible Masters player.
After he had the lead on Thursday, I saw the
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stat floating around. He's led this tournament after Thursday five
different times. He's gonna be runner up in this tournament.
He's got to be the first guy in Master's history
to be runner up twice and play in multiple playoffs.
So you're just like I don't know, man I And
then Justin Rose hits the fair way on the playoff hole.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't think worry and I listen.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
None of us normal mortals in go, whether you're a
five handicap or twenty handicap, you're.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Just putting yourself in Rory's shoes.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
After Rose splits the fairway on the Masters, it just
feels like you blew it. You're like, how could you
possibly keep your heart rate down right now? And I've
seen Rory talk about this. He really works on it.
I'm awful at this, and sometimes when it crosses my mind,
I'm like, I don't even think this would help. But
he's big on like keeping your mouth shut, you know,
and breathe through your nose and it slows the heart rate.
And I was looking at him, I'm like, I can't
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even imagine the mind games he's playing with himself right
now to calm his emotions. Because if he gets a
little quick snaps it, you know, he's he's playing that cut,
which he's done all week long on eighteen and been awesome.
And sometimes he hits the ball so far that what
I said about the shot tracer, you think it's going
in the trees. It's not even close to the trees,
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but I'm like, he's aiming kind of toward, you know,
the left side of the bunker. He's trying to play
that power cut probably three twenty three point thirty up
the hill, and You're like, this could get squirrely in
multiple ways. He could duck hook it into the trees,
which any human being that's ever set up for a
cut has experienced, or which he had done earlier in
the day, and honestly he had done on seventeen with
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the three wood, but luckily it didn't go far enough
that what if he just overcuts it and he just
loses the masters right here? And I just was like,
would this be the worst thing I've ever seen? Because
you just find yourself as a human being rooting for
this guy everything that you just witnessed. You know, he's
obviously there's never going to be another Tiger Woods again.
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When Tiger got the lead, there really wasn't that much
drama to it. You just got to watch this guy
who was like a robot machine killer and it was
just a thrill ride. And because he's you know, he
didn't move the needle. He was the needle you stayed glued.
But I do think that whatever we witnessed today, and
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I'm you know, if this was nineteen ninety two and
Sports Illustrated was still around, there would be some incredible
articles being written about him. Now, the written words kind
of dead, so it's all gonna be US YouTubers and podcasts.
But I just that was an experience unlike I've ever
had watching golf, and obviously the build up when you
haven't won a major in a decade, the hype coming
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in on him.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I think I talked about it last week.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I didn't pull the trigger when it came to betting
on ry McElroy, not because I didn't think he could win. Hell,
I've been saying forever. It's like, guys, he's gonna win
multiple more majors. Don't get fooled by what happened at
the Open when Cam Smith won it, or what happened
at LACC when Wyndham Clark won it and he just
couldn't make a putt in either one of.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Those events, or what happened last.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Year at the US Open, which I would say was
way more devastating relatives than the other two. He's just
too good. And then he goes this year, he wins
at Pebble, he wins the players. You're like, this guy's
fucking playing unbelievable. And then he's cruising on Thursday, he's
four under and then all of a sudden he doubles
two of the last three holes and you're like, this
is a disaster. Then he comes to the next day
and shoots sixty six.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Then he shoots sixty six again on on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
You're like, this is this is insane.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
But this is the Ry McElroy experience.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Honestly, it's a little unlike Phil and we thought and
I have thought coming in today that you know forever
most of like my I would say junior high to
you know, ten years ago, for like a twenty year span,
it was like, we need Tiger and Phil Tiger and
Phil Tiger and Phil. But golf is not like football,
where if your two teams are really good and you're
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in the same conference, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes play each
other every single season. Every single season in the regular season,
they're gonna play each other, and it just works out.
When you're on two of the best teams, you end
up playing each other all the time. In the playoffs.
I mean what they've played for the last five years.
Same thing with Brady and Manning. It's like they're in
the same conference, they're both winning their division, They're gonna
automatically play each other every single year, and then they
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end up playing each other in the playoffs. I don't
know off the top of my head, I would guess
seven eight times. And obviously it took a long time
for Manning to get over. But it's all we wanted
Tiger and Phil. No one ever thought Phil was better
than Tiger, But could we get a couple of duels
in a PGA Championship, in a US Open, at the Masters,
I mean a place where Tiger is five and Phil
is three? And it just never happened. It just never happened,
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you know why, because it's not two teams playing each other. Really,
you're playing in the Masters one guy vers ninety five players,
or the US Open or the PGA Championships one guy
versus one hundred and fifty. So the statistical likelihood, and
I'm no math major, just doesn't work out that often.
And now we get this epic moment last year with
Bryson Rory, and then we get it again they're in
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the final group on Sunday, and you're like, this is
everything I always wanted. And again Bryson is gonna go
down as an all time player, right, He's gonna win
more majors as well. But this isn't Tiger Phil. But
this is still pretty cool. I'm like, this is this
is the modern day. We're getting a rivalry. It's happened twice.
Two of the last three majors, these two guys have
gone and in Bryson after a couple of holes, like
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he had nothing, I mean his iron game. It is
remarkable that he even hung around this tournament. Any human
being that's ever had the duck hooks now, I wouldn't
call his the duck hooks, but just like a rope
draw hook, not quite a hook, not quite a draw
somewhere in the middle. It's not a controllable thing. And
when you hit the ball is hard and as far
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as Bryson, his irons like you can't control it. Especially
at Augusta. It was like yesterday he held it together
by his short game. Today he had no chance. I
mean hell, I mean he hits the ball in the
water on eleven. He just hit the ball again in
the water on fifteen. He just couldn't control his irons.
And when he can't control your ryans, you got no shot.
So then justin Rose and Ludwig and yeah, man, I
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do believe that what we just witnessed, I don't think
we've ever seen anything quite like it. And I do
think that Rory now is in this world where he
has the career Grand Slam. He's on the short list
of players. He's the first guy since Tiger to accomplish that,
you know, the only guy and quote unquote his generation
with as many majors as Brooks. But when you look
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at the two resumes, the totality the two players, they
are not comparable. I mean, Rory's in a different stratosphere
than Brooks, and I think if we were all betting
on it, and I'm not taking shot at Brooks. I mean,
Brook's an incredible major player, but he's won two majors, right,
He's won three PGAs and two US Opens.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Rory's got them all. And Rory's like peaking and me
he's playing the best golf of his life.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I know Rory won four majors when he was young.
He's a dramatically better player in twenty twenty five, and
now that he gets this office back, I think the
you know, the sky is the limit now. I'm hesitant
to go like he's gonna win ten majors now, but
you'd be insane to think that he's not gonna win
a couple more. I'd put the over under probably a
like he's got five now, probably seven and a half.
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I feel pretty confident he's gonna rattle off a couple
more now what I get into like eight or nine.
That feels pretty strong. But I think now he's chasing
and I can't speak to Jack and Trevino and Arnie
and the Ben Hogan's and all those guys. You know,
you can rank them however you want. It's like if
you're coming at me with Jim Brown and Babe Ruth,
like I never saw these guys play. We can YouTube
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at all you want. I say it all the time.
When you were arguing someone as a player, when you've
watched them in the prime of their career, you have
a much better argument and a much better leg to
stand on than you do when you're just like shitting
on a guy or propping a guy up based on
just numbers, not having experienced them, I feel very confident
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talking to someone about Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers,
Steph Curry, Tiger Woods, whoever. I'm not gonna be as confident,
like breaking down Joe Montana and Larry Bird and Jack Nicholas.
We can google them all we want, but if you
don't live through their era, it's hard to feel as comfortable.
And I live through the Tiger and Phil era and
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those you know. Obviously, Tiger I think for me, greatest
player ever. Now He's never gonna have as many majors
as Jack. But that's beside the point of the last
of the Internet era Tigers in a world by himself.
I would say the number two play of that era
is also in a world by himself, it's Phil Mickelson.
Then there's an argument of a group of like six
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or seven guys, and Rory was always a part of
that argument. Rory, Jordan, Spi, Brooks, Koepka, Ernie Els a
bunch of guys right, And now I think Rory is
in hot pursuit of Phil Mickelson. He is one major
away from tying him. He's basically twenty years younger. Phil
has forty five career victories. Now, the one thing Phil has,
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which is a remarkable statistic, he has finished second in
twelve majors. That's pretty nuts. Rory's finished fourth or four
times second in majors, So Phil's major record finishing second
is pretty like eye opening. And obviously he's never won
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a US Open, so he doesn't have a career Grand Slam,
but he's finished second in that tournament I think six times,
which like to me, adds to the lore because this
is not football, where either win or loses Super Bowl
or you win or lose the AFC Championship Game. It's
like Josh Allen can't beat Patrick Malomes, that's a fact.
Like Phil Mickelson, like he beat basically everyone else in
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the tournament constantly, he just couldn't beat the one guy.
And famously I think at wing foot when he pumps
at O B on eighteen. I mean, he had some
pretty memorable moments. But like that is who now Rory
is inside of and in the prime of his career
keep rattling off wins. I think today was his twenty
ninth wins, so he's sixteen wins behind him in one
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major behind him. So if he can maintain, assuming that
he stays healthy and assuming now that he has the
same level of drive, which you know, it's weird the
last three or four years he's had this thing to
be chasing, right, and it just kept motivating him, and
you just wonder, now just human psychology, like is this
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guy just gonna be tiger moving forward and maintain like
in three days be out there banging balls and working
out and nothing changes. What maintained this level of play.
And we've seen it with the Chiefs like Patrick Mahomes
has not taken the foot off the pedal at all,
rattling off Super Bowls. Well, Rory has had this huge
gap of not winning anything in his mind that mattered
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the most, given it's the majors, and chased it and
chased it and chased it, and a heartache and heartache
and heartache and heartache finally accomplishes it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's like those leadership gurus.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Talk about, like you bang the rock, you bang the rock,
and it might take you a year, might take you
ten years, it might take you one hundred years. Finally
on that million swing, the rock cracks. But it's not
actually the million swing that cracks the rock. It's all
the accumulation of the swings. And that's where all these
athletes or anyone that's successful talk about.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
It's over and over and over.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's about you know the process. And listen, I say
it all the time. People want to know about Nick
Saban's process. People want to know about Jeff Bezos's process.
No one gives a shit about the average guy's process.
So part of like making quote unquote the process meaningful,
you got to be really, really successful. And now there's
no arguing or disputing Rory McElroy and this. I don't
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want to say he's icing on the cake, but it
feels like that a little bit, and that to me
is where I go. I would be a little unsure
what to look for moving forward because if that does
feel like that is like the rest of this year
a wash?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Right? Is the rest of this year? Now?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Listen, he's he would much rather like It's not like
if he had lost this tournament to Justin Rose with
that lit a fire under his ass and had him
just keep grinding and grinding and grinding and maintained this
high level of play, you would choose winning this tournament
and then just figure it out moving forward. But Quail
Hollow is hosting the PGA Championship here in a month.
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I'm pretty sure he's won there a bunch of times,
and more than likely now with Scotty Scheffler, who actually
kind of came on at the end, gonna be the
betting favorite. So I think the question mark is like,
are we getting the same Rory the rest of the year,
because if we are this, he.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Could win another major.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Hell, he could win a couple like last year when
Xander won the PGA Championship, he clearly no foot off
the pedal, kept it down. A couple months later wins
the Open. All of a sudden, he's got two majors,
and I don't think how see how anyone who watches
golf could go well. If Rory just maintains whatever he's doing.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I'd argue he'd be the favorite at definitely the PGA
and the US Open, and hell, the Open at Royal
Port Rush, like some might call that a home game,
gonna be pretty advantageous for him.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So I would say, at this point in time, assuming
that pedals of the mettle and nothing changes from what
he's been doing, I'll give him the week off this
upcoming week. But like, I, what would it feel like,
you know, like he didn't accomplish what he should have
if he doesn't win another major this year because he's
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been so close to these last couple of years. Now
he gets this office back, does he win a major
this upcoming year by four or five? Because I do
look at him a little differently in these other tournaments
now than I would previously, where clearly the pressure got
to him. All you have to do is watch thirteen today.
All you have to do is watch eighteen. I don't
understand if you're Rory McElroy, how you don't just hit
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that ball in the middle of the green and I listen,
I've never been in that situation, just like anyone listening
or watching has ever been in that situation. But when
you're that good at golf, when you're in the middle
of the fairway and you have one hundred and what
was it forty yard shot? How no matter what, just
get the thing on the green too putt and we
win the Masters. To hit that in the bunker is
like I can't even imagine Tiger Wood's reaction at home,
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like what how does that happen? And honestly, going back
to thirteen. Someone I had a buddy named Mark send me.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
This clip the other day of like a statistical.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Guy breaking down how you should play par fives and
basically it is always advantage player to go for it,
because today he lays up and then he dunks it
into the water where Jim Nantz and Immlman almost fell
out of the booth so shocked and just dumbfounded on
how that could happen. But if you go, even if
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you hit it in the water, going in the water
is a winstroke penalty. So you drop at fifty sixty yards,
you're hitting four. In worst case scenario, you're gonna be
putting for part even if it's twenty feet and you miss,
you tap in a bogie when you lay up, and
the same thing happens. I mean, it's gonna be very,
very difficult to bogey. And all of a sudden he's
got a double and it feels like it might as
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well have been a quadruple, and you could feel it
on his face. Honestly, that reaction when he hit the
ground at the end had to be the overcoming of
like those two shots on eighteen, his second shot, his
third shot on thirteen. Some of those just god awful putts.
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And again this is all relative to one of the greatest.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Players of all time.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I mean, this guy is a couple more big wins
away from being like, is he either a top five
golfer of all time like Tiger or Jack? Is he
like start being in the mix of the Arnold Palmers,
Ben Hogan, Gary players. I mean, this is this is.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
The company he's chasing.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And again, Phil, he might not be five, but he's
definitely closer to five than ten. So you start chasing him,
you start saying goodbye, Like think about Rory right now.
Has nothing in common with guys like Justin Thomas. Hell,
even Jordan Speith. Jordan Spiece is.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Not that good anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Kopka, who knows he might never be the same. That
moment a couple of years ago at the PGA might
have been his last claim to fame, And there's nothing
wrong with that. You're five time major champion, Like it's you.
You're in pretty special company. Dustin Johnson missed the cut
this week. It is like see audios, So like, who
are we talking with Scotty? I mean, we we anointed
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him rightfully, So I mean he's won two Majors, but
they've both been the same tournament. So before we start
comparing him to some of these other guys, like he's
got to win another major beside the Masters, and right now,
it just feels like he's a little off, and it's
still damn good. He's clearly, you know, one of the
great talents on the PGA Tour and on any given
day could beat anybody. But he's not what he was
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last year. You got Xander who's got a fucked up
rib who I actually think finished a little higher than
I thought because his name come on the leader boards,
Like I haven't even I don't even think I've seen
Xander hit a shot like Colin Morikawa Victor Hovlin. So
it's like, yeah, the tour has never been deeper, right,
And that's not really debatable, right, even relative to what
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Tiger had to deal with in the late nineties early
two thousands, the depth of talent won through like twenty
five thirty five like that range. These guys are really
really good. And some of these older guys we just
saw it with Justin Rose Adam Scott. I almost said
Hideki because I feel like a Decki's forty, but he's
actually like thirty. I think he shot six hundred today
when before like half the people even turned on the Masters.
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But you know, they're still playing at a high level.
It's really really deep. This is the best player and
now where he's going what he did today most Rory
McElroy round ever, and this little rivalry it doesn't quite
you know, it's they didn't really go at it after
like five or six holes because on the third hole
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Rory McElroy is actually Bryson takes the lead on two.
Then by three it flips again because Rory birdie's, Bryson
bogies and that's it for basically Bryson, because then Rory
would birdie again and get to twelve, and by like
hole nine he's thirteen under and Bryson's nine under and
it was over. Then Bryson hits in the water on eleven,
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Cyanara ejects himself, which happens. I actually think Bryson had
an incredible respectable week for a guy that was just
snapping his irons to the left, and he kept saying
that like, I can't my irons, I can't control the
face of the club. Now, granted he builds these clubs,
to do that, but for whatever's happening, and listen, I
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understand he's a grinder, but you have to wonder if
like he's hitting five bags of balls after Saturday, and
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Speaker 2 (29:18):
Post Tiger.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I think you see it sometimes, like with Mahomes and
the Chiefs. You know what we got to experience with Brady,
what we got to experience with Tiger. There are these
outlier situations even if other guys come and have remarkable careers.
I mean, Mahomes, if he never played another snap, what
he accomplished in like a six to seven year span
is just Lamar and Josh. I mean, two of the
(29:40):
best players I've ever seen, been watching football for thirty years,
are never gonna sniff those accomplishments. It's just not gonna happen.
If either one were to win multiple Super Bowls, it'd
be like holy shit, right, And what Tiger would do
beating these people and just suffocating them, never fucking up.
I mean part of when you hear these like historians,
(30:01):
guys like Brandal talk about Tiger, Tiger was pretty boring.
He was just leave in the right spots, hit the
right side of the green.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
He two putt.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
He would never screw up. He would never screw up.
He can't relate to hitting into the water on thirteen,
He can't relate to hitting into the bunker on eighteen.
Doesn't mean he's gonna hit it tight. I think sometimes
you think of Tiger like hitting it three feet on
every hole, but like never doing that. And sometimes it's like,
what do they say, dumb loses more games than smart wins.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
It's not that much.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Different golf, Like the professionals talk about this all the time,
where do I miss?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Where do I miss? Where do I miss?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Because you're not gonna hit perfect shots like Rory shot
on fifteen when he hits that hook around the trees.
That's I don't want to say a once in a
lifetime shot, because he's a once in a lifetime or
once in a generation type player and he's hit countless
shots like that. But you don't hit that many shots
on a Sunday in a major in your entire career,
right that, Actually that shot is much more the outlier
(31:01):
than just like just hit it to the left side
of the green. And tuput or just miss it in
the right bunker on a par five where you can
get up and down or leave yourself a pretty good
BIRDI putt worst case scenario, you par you're up multiple shots,
like that's how you win a lot of these major
especially once you get to the US Open, where these
holes really penalize you with you know, crazy rough or
(31:21):
missing fairways. And I just think you watched Rory and
one thing. I don't know if you ever cleaned this up.
It's part of the package. I mean, this was always
kind of the part of the package with Phil. And
it's sad that we don't get much great speech anymore,
but that's a huge part of it. With speed, is
like at any moment, on any given shot over like
one hundred and eighty yards, anything can happen off the tee.
(31:44):
Even Rory, who most people consider the greatest driver of
all time. I think on five he pumped one. There's
not really out of bounds at the Masters, but you're like,
is that going out of bounds? He's like stop, stop, stop.
I mean, there would just be these moments you're like,
oh my god, even.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
On seventeen where clearly the tracer was off.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
You're like, did he just pump this three wood into
the trees?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And it's believable. It is believable.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
So I actually think in a weird way, Rory upped
his like his appeal and this was a huge part
of the Michelson appeal. Like Tiger's appeal was just I'm
gonna dominate. I am going to win, right, I'm just
never gonna lose. And it doesn't mean he actually never lost.
He definitely did. But when I have a lead, especially
(32:32):
in a major, chalk it up w for me, and
most people are not that.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And Rory has just.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Kind of established himself of like anything can kind of happen. Now,
the greatest thing happened today, and that's winning the Masters,
And now he gets to sit at this table with
these guys from Jack to Tiger to Phil to even
a lot of his contemporaries, right Dustin Johnson, Jordan Speith.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, man, that was that was wild. That was I
really I that was riveting.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
The end was and the beginning was, but there was
a middle stretch from like six to ten where it
did feel a little inevitable. I mean, if you look,
and I'm sure DraftKings will put this out at the
EBB and flow of his odds. I mean, he starts
today at minus two hundred, so you gotta bet one hundred.
You got to bet two hundred dollars to win one
hundred by the second hole when he's one down, I
(33:30):
looked and I thought about it, but again it felt
like he might choose like eighty. He was plus one
thirty five, and then I would imagine when he's multiple
shots up on like hole nine and ten. I mean,
at one point in time on ten he got to
fourteen hunder. My guess is actually think I checked. I
don't know if it was ten or twelve, he was
minus five hundred. Well when he takes when Justin Rose
(33:54):
takes the lead, after he bogies, what hold did he
boge bogie fourteen?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I would guess that at.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Worst he was probably even odds or maybe like minus
one twenty still to win.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
But man, that was that was wild. Do you know
what's cool is.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Sometimes in the sports calendar, And there's the great part
about the reality show that is, you know, the highest
level of professional sports, whether it's Federer playing Djokovic, whether
it's Tiger going at it with whoever, whether it's Mahomes
versus Jalen Hurts and the Eagles. You might get an
all time great game, you might get a game that
(34:34):
felt like a blot. I remember laying on my couch
in what would have been twenty seventeen and falling asleep
in the first half, quote unquote, falling asleep, like dozing off,
being pretty bored twenty eight to three, and it was like,
the Patriots are gonna lose this game, like forty to ten.
And then things happened and that you just never forget.
(34:56):
And sometimes the things in golf that you never forget
are to me the two biggest meltdowns of all time,
or Vandervelt at the Open and obviously Greg Norman here
at the Masters. And in football, twenty eight to three
is just in a world by itself. I think there
was when I was really really young. I don't know
if it was ninety or ninety one, there was like
a legendary comeback the Buffalo Bills, and I think Frank Reich,
(35:19):
the new coach for Stanford, was the quarterback. Maybe Jim
Kelly was hurt and they were playing I think the
Houston Oilers and we're down. I don't have the score
of top thirty five to three or something like that,
and came storming back. And you just get these games
in these moments, and it might be the first round
of the playoffs, it might be a super Bowl, it
could be a Major. It also just could be just
(35:41):
a pebble beach and you never know when it's gonna happen.
And it's what makes all this so fun. And obviously
now that you know golf gambling and something I've been
doing now pretty consistently for a couple of years, adds
a huge element to it that that was a wild ride.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I don't even know who else to talk about.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
A lot of respect, a lot of respect for what
he did today. And like I said, I truly believed
when not only when they teed off on eighteen, but
Rory got to the tee in the playoff, it felt
like five minutes before Justin.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
It was like, is Justin Rose?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Is he just hitting a couple extra balls or is
he playing mind games with him? Clearly he knows them
really well. They've been on the Ryder Cup team together
for fifteen plus years. You didn't quite know and maybe
it was gonna work. And then he split that team
you're like, oh my god, this is really gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
So props to Justin Rose, who is a badass.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I mean, he's another guy's he's only got one major.
I mean some of these other guys were listed to
have multiple of his of the last fifteen to twenty years.
But what a fucking stud, what a badass to be
playing at this level. That's what's I would say different
about golf than basically any team sport obviously, even any
individual sport. The other big individual sport would be tennis.
You're not gonna play at a high level in tennis
(36:59):
in your mid forty like you can in golf. I mean, hell,
Tiger Woods won the Masters. I think he was forty
four and nineteen. That's just not happening. Intend Like you're
not winning Wimbledon at forty four with all these injuries.
That's just that's never happening. Obviously, in football, basketball, and baseball,
Tom Brady and Nolan Ryan just don't. I mean, they're
(37:21):
outliers for a reason. You know, Roger Clemens was on
who knows what, throwing ninety eight pitching for the Yankees
and the Astros when he was forty three or forty four. Clearly,
I mean this is not the case. We're in golf,
you're seeing guys. I mean, Phil Mickelson won a major
a couple of years ago at like fifty to fifty
one years old. So you just you can never sleep
on these guys, the Adam Scotts, the Justin Roses. I mean,
(37:42):
one day, guys like Rory will be forty two years old,
and it's not inconceivable that some of this guys in
this generation, like all of a sudden they're in the
mix to win one of these majors. It's what makes
like Ludwig, you know, ultimately like he looks like an
unstoppable for one just actually he just looks like a golfer,
(38:03):
good looking dude, tall, skinny, beautiful swing, unfazed by screw
ups like I saw Brandal Shamblie talking about it on
Live fro. Him never throws tantrums in a sport. And
I'm guilty of this too. I threw one a couple
of weeks ago. People just throw their hat, hit their
driver on the tea box and make a big divot.
(38:24):
It's just natural human reaction when you screw up, and
it just feels like he is completely unfaced now he
all time meltdown on eighteen. I think he had a
triple bogie. He three putted seventeen to just kind of unravel.
But this guy looked like he was poised to like
back to back year second last year, and looked like
he was gonna be third this year. Like this guy
(38:46):
feels like he is coming.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
He is.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean this the talent on That guy is oozing
out of his golf swing. Love Ludwig, fun player to
watch what a badis. We were actually at a I
was at a birthday dinner last night, or.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
No, it was a couple nights ago. Was it last night?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I forget wheorse, Oh no, it was last night. We
were talking about, you know, some of these schools. I
follow this one guy, one of the best college golfers
in the country, and he his Instagram. I mean he
is dating a girl that ten years ago, one hundred
percent probably dates the quarterback at the school. And this
is a power five like high level program. But if
you're smart and you go into some of these rooms,
(39:25):
it's like, yeah, this quarterback, the guy might be a
six round pick. This guy is probably going to play
on the PGA tour for twenty years, and.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
If you see what sits on the back of their collar,
it says net jets. They don't go to commercial airports
starting at twenty twenty one, twenty two years old.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
So Ludwig is a good example.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
He's at Texas Tech from Sweden. Victor was like this
at Oklahoma State. I'm sure they're in the weight room,
some of these girls chasing the football players. Now, if
you get the right football player, don't blame you, But
a lot of those guys a couple of years on
the practice squad ain't making any coin. That fucker Ludvig
is gonna be worth one hundred million dollars one million
percent by the time he's like twenty.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Five years old.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I would be all over that cat, just like some
of these guys at like Arizona State, Auburn, Alabama, the
best college programs. If the guy's number one or number
two on your team and he's playing in some PGA events,
date him because that guy usually is a rocket ship
right to big ass homes, sweet ass lives. Now, that's
what's changed dramatically about the sport is I think Rory
(40:23):
today biggest person ever four point two the amount of
money these guys are winning. Rory's rich before he won
or lost this tournament. But Maria was telling me a story.
She was at an open house. There was like four
or five million dollars and the people coming in to
see it. Here in Arizona, down in Paradise Valley were
PGA Tour golfing caddies, the caddies. Now this guy was
(40:46):
on the bag for I would say, like a top
fifty player, not like Rory or Ludwig or Scottie. And
they're looking at homes worth four or five million dollars,
the caddies. Part of it's the Saudi's the influx of
money that the PGA Tour at the back. All these
guys are so rich, not just the top guys, which
has always been the case Tiger, Phil Jack, Greg Norman.
(41:07):
I'm talking about like the forty eighth guy on tour,
the sixty second guy on tour is not only a
multi millionaire.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
His caddy is rolling in dough.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I mean Scotty's caddy last year I think made seven
million dollars. And that assumes that he's only kicking them
ten percent. I'm sure they're really close should get other bonuses.
Who knows he might have netted ten million dollars fucking
Caddy one season. So the money that is flowing on
this tour, it's not you know, NBA or NFL money,
because it's weird, Like, beside your sponsors, which the top
(41:37):
guys make a lot, you got to go earn it
as the player, right, It's it's the ultimate meritocracy. Like
the only way you win the big pot of money
at the end of a tournament is you gotta win
the tournament. I went to a Suns game, what was
that Tuesday?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Watch Bradley Beal.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
He's getting paid fifty million dollars, whether he's an All
Star or whether he gave the lowest effort I've ever
seen from an NBA player that makes a lot of money.
In my life of attending sporting events for thirty plus years,
that I can remember like this is this is crazy
golfs the opposite. If you want to make fifty million dollars,
you better win a lot of tournaments.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
So a lot of these guys.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
But now it's like you get like six and start
racking up seven eight hundred thousand dollars a tournament and
that's that's what really changed, and inevitably all these guys
get back together, and I'll end on a couple things
really quick. One takeaway I had is clearly what's cool
about the Masters is everyone gets back together. And John
Rahm actually showed sight of signs of life after the
(42:35):
first after the first round. I don't know where he
ended up finishing, but he definitely didn't have a terrible week.
Let me just pull up where he finished. I just
want to read off some of the guys on live
where they finished. So like Terrell had in T fourteen,
John Rahm T fourteen, Bryson T. Five, but really he
was right there. Patrick Reid was third. We all know lifts,
(43:10):
you know got some all time great I mean, John Rahm,
if he ever came back to the PGA Tour got
his mojo back, is an elite player. Bryson clearly is
an awesome player. You could argue though, if that you
could only just get one guy back, just one guy.
It's the YouTuber It's Bryson d Chambeau. I just think
like he has separated himself. Now you want him all
(43:33):
back because part of sports you need.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Good guys, you need bad guys.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
You need crazy guys, you need fun guys, like having
Patrick Reid around, having Trell hatton helicopter in clubs, like
you need all that.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
But if you could, just if you had to choose, like.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
You're only allotted one guy from Live, it'd be like
the equivalent of like you're drafting number one and Andrew
Lux in the draft. It's not twenty twenty five where
it's like, well, should we take Travis Hunter number one?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
It's a no.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
It'd be Bryson. And then I think we could argue
all day long who's the number two?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
That is?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
How much over the last I would say eighteen twelve
months he's separated from the pack, and his popularity his
I would just say, overall influence and fame, and it
feels he's really really famous. Obviously, his high level of
play would not shock me at all. I was already
looking at the odds. I think he's an auto bet.
(44:25):
The next two majors to win wouldn't shock me at all.
He's got to dial in these irons a little bit.
But at the PGA Championship or the US Open, clearly
got a dial in the irons, Like can't win the
US open with him hitting irons like today. But one
thing you know about Bryson is like, if you tell
me he's gonna hit balls all week long for eighteen hours,
like it's believable. As he's shooting youtubes, so he's really
(44:46):
separated from the pack. And last, but not least, I mean,
the funniest thing that's ever happened in the history of
Masters is the kid from Arizona State Ballisteros who it's
got to be just what an incredible honor has to
be as an amateur to play in this tournament. He's
playing with Justin Thomas, he's playing with Scottie Shuffler, and he's.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Got to take a leak.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I've been there, You've been there. Sometimes you just got
to take a piss. And he pisses in Rays Creek,
I would say, easily the most famous body of water.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
And it's not even a body of water.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Let's say stream of water, because we have some famous
lakes on the PGA tour, and we have you know,
Pebble Beach on the ocean, but stream of water, not
even close Rays Creek.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
He peas in it.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
At the Masters he gets a standing oh because he
didn't realize that everyone could see him clearly. The Masters
has to be furious, probably threatens that he's never allowed back.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
He calls it a river.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
The coach at Arizona State had gotten kicked out not
of the of the driving range of the entire tournament
on Tuesday for wearing shorts, rough forty eight hours for
Arizona State. Great moment for the University Alabama. Though Nick
Dunlapp shoots a ninety on Thursday. He was a kid
that didn't even plan on becoming a pro last year,
(46:01):
wins in Palm Springs. Doesn't have a choice, just becomes
a pro, wins again later that year. I think up
in Reno at the Barracuda wins twice last year on
the PGA Tour. Now I wouldn't call the AMX and
the Barracudah exactly the Masters and the Memorial. But still
you win twice on the PGA Tour. Incredible fucking accomplishment.
Shoots ninety.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Probably wanted to cry. I had to be the most.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I would guess that Nick Dunlap hasn't shot ninety. I
would assume he's twenty one, twenty two, twenty three years old.
Since he was, I would say younger than fourteen, thirteen twelve.
Maybe he was a late bloomer, so fifteen, but.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
That feels stretching it.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I bet he hasn't shot ninety since, honestly, maybe even
since he's been a teenager. And to shoot ninety at
the Masters and you go on the Masters app and
he's hitting it, I mean, just all over the map,
dropping his club. It's flying right, it's flying left, and
he he's like, he had an awesome Instagram post where he's.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Like, this is the worst.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
And lowest moment of my entire life. And he sends
his trainer to go get him one hundred balls at
target and he just banged him into the woods. And
then he came out the next day and he shot
seventy one, and at one point in time on Friday
he was three under. So I remember when I was
watching a couple of years ago when he won at Amex.
One thing Saban is smart about is he befriends guys
(47:27):
when he was a coach in Alabama on the golf
team because he plays a lot of golf during the
offseason and he plays for money, and he always has
one of those guys on the team. So he was
buddies with Nick Dunlop because he would always be his
partner when he played, and he called in. I remember
watching on Golf Channel. He's like calling into the AMX
or maybe he was on NBC and Saban was so proud,
like watching Dunlop win this tournament as he was an amateur,
(47:47):
he didn't even win any money.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
And then to have.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Basically a year later, a little over a year to
shoot ninety at the Masters, I can't even imagine the embarrassment.
And listen to any human being, whether you're a hundred
handicap or scratch Chandycap, has been at a moment where
you just I don't know what's going on on the
golf course. I have no clue where the SHOT's going
to go. I have no clue what's going on my
golf swing. You just feel you're like a cornerback in
the NFL. You're on an island and you got like
(48:12):
a rolled ankle. You can't run, You got no chance none.
And for him to bounce back, what an incredible accomplishment
by Nick Dunlap nineteen shots swinks. So congratulatory McElroy Master's champ.
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