Hoops Tonight - LIVE: Game 3 Reactions: Clippers/Nuggets, Knicks/Pistons, Thunder/Grizzlies

Jason reacts to the Los Angeles Clippers destroying the Denver Nuggets in Game 3 as James Harden and Kawhi Leonard outplayed Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray. Then he discusses Jalen Brunson and Karl-Anthony Towns leading the New York Knicks to a clutch road victory over Cade Cunningham and the Detroit Pistons as well as the interesting Game 3 between the Oklahoma City Thunder and Memphis Grizzlies. 

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All right, welcome on Hoops to night here at the volume.
Had you there that everybody, hope all of you guys
are having a great week. We are going to briefly
touch on all three games from tonight as the Clippers
blow out the Denver Nuggets riding an early run in
the game, a twenty nine to six run spanning the
first and second quarters that they never were able to
recover from. The New York Knicks finally got their offense

(02:18):
going against the Detroit Pistons. I really want to dive
into that concept a little bit, as they looked much
more fluid offensively in a big road wind to steal
home court advantage back against the Pistons. Then at the
tail end of the show, thanks to the blowout by
Clippers against the Nuggets, I was able to catch the
fourth quarter of Thunder Grizzlies, and so on the one hand,
I missed the early portion of the game when the

(02:38):
Thunder struggled. I'll be watching that on I'm gonna watch
that in the morning just to try to see if
there's anything worth taking away from that or if it
was just a textbook Game three buzzsaw. I always call
Game three the buzzsaw game because that's the game. You
go on the road, you're a huge under you're a
huge favorite, but the underdog obviously is more motivated. It's
just such a tough game in general. But I did
see in the fourth quarter, and I'm opportunity for us

(03:01):
to look at the thunder clutch offense for the first
time in this postseason, so I want to dive into
that concept a little bit. And then at the tail
end of the show, like we do every single night,
we're going to be bringing Jackson on to take a
good twenty twenty five minutes questions from the chat so
we can get into a bunch of other stuff around
the playoffs. All right, let's what I gotta get to
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(03:44):
All right, let's talk some basketball. So I actually thought
the Clippers came out a little sloppy, particularly on the
defensive end of the floor. The Nuggets made something crazy
like nine of their first ten shots or eight of
their first nine shots. They kept losing, specifically James Harden
and Norman Powell kept losing cutters along the baseline, Christian
Brown just sneaking around down there, Aaron Gordon sneaking around
down there. They were just letting Denver get too comfortable

(04:06):
on the offensive end of the floor, and it actually
looked like it was going to be a little bit
more of like a oh, Denver's going to take an
early commanding lead here kind of thing. They were up
twenty six to nineteen, but in a seven minute stretch
spanning from about three minutes to go in the first
quarter to about eight minutes to go in the second quarter,
the Nuggets got outscored twenty nine to six, and that

(04:29):
really was the game. They lost control and they were
fighting uphill the rest of the way and they never recover.
We've seen these two teams when they're both really on
top of their game in this series, they kind of
go bucket for bucket with each other. They don't it's
going to be really difficult for any team to make
up a large deficit in this series, but kind of
came down to a couple of things. James Harden just

(04:50):
got crazy hot in that first quarter stretch, setting his
ball screens a little bit further out so we could
get a little bit more of a a kind of
like a clean some clean footwork into his pull up
threes coming off of those ball screens. He did a
good job of dragging the at the level coverage far
away to create extra space for the Clippers to attack
on the back end. Jans Tartan was amazing all night.

(05:13):
He was the primary driver of the explosive scoring that
the Clippers showed in the first half. He had twenty
points and four assists with zero turnovers just in the
first half. He was the guy who kind of initially
broke things open. I think they ended up going into
the quarter end of the quarter, I think thirty five
to twenty eight, and then it was just a quick
run right at the start a Kawhi Zubats led group

(05:34):
in the early second quarter. Kaui had several really nice
feeds out of post up double teams in that second quarter,
and that was it. It was forty eight to thirty two,
and then they just kind of went back to their
nuggets Clippers, We're going to go back and forth the
rest of the game type of night, and they just
were never able to regain control of the situation. I
thought Nick batoom was awesome in that first half. His

(05:55):
ability to knock down, catch and shoot threes without needing
to dip as his major ass that is. And if
you guys have ever played basketball at any level, you
understand that, like when you catch on the perimeter, there's
usually like a load up right like you're gonna squat
down so that you can get lift up into your
shot so that you have an easy, breezy release at

(06:16):
the top. And in the process, a lot of people
need to gather the ball somewhere down around their waist
right as they bring the ball up and try to
transfer that energy from their legs up through the top
of the shot. Some of the best shooters in the world,
and Nick Batoomb is one of the very best at
this specific thing, can catch right from wherever the ball
comes and if the passes over here, over here, over here,
over here.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
They can flow right up into the top of the shot.
They don't need to gather the ball down into the
pocket in order to rise up and shoot. They can
go from wherever they catch the ball straight into the
shooting pocket and rise up and release. The reason why
that's important is in the playoffs, like we talked about,
the closeouts are harder, the openings are fewer and further between.
It's a lot harder to get those, you know, clean

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catch and shoot looks that you get in the regular season.
And Nick Patoom's ability to just easy, quickly, easy, breezy
release these catch and shoot threes against closeouts has been
super valuable over the course of the early portion of
this series. And then honestly, after the Clippers started to
build separation in that second quarter, you can kind of
feel the Nuggets like go of the defensive rope a

(07:21):
little bit. Norman Powell started to get some really clean
looks he got going in this game, some closeouts where
Norman Powell was able to drive, and the Nuggets weren't
really shrinking the floor the way they were at earlier
points in the series. It just kind of went off
the rails for there on the Nuggets front. They were
basically fine outside of that stretch, like they came out hot,
they were defending well early. It's just this is a

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series for them, with how bad their defense can be
when things get out of control, they can't afford to
go of the rope if there is an upside. The
Nuggets did defend Kawhi Leonard a little better. I just
thought they were more physical with him. That was really
the main thing that I noticed is they just basically
were like, Hey, there's all these un called fouls that
are happening all over the playoff field. What if we
just bring that physicality to Kawhi and maybe disrupt his

(08:05):
rhythm a little bit. I thought that had some impact.
Westbrook had a rough night after he's been pretty good
at the start of this series. He was minus sixteen
and nine minutes. There was a report I saw that
he's dealing with some inflammation in his foot. So let's
hope that Russell Westbrook is doing okay. But one of
the big things that I noticed there is he was
just a little too aggressive, which is with his catch
and shoot threes. He made one along the left wing

(08:26):
that was like an above the break three, and it
was a great look. It was like completely wide open.
It was out of a post double. I think of Jokic.
If I remember correctly, there was no close out it
was clean and easy, but towards the end of that run,
out of those five threes, there were two of them
that he took that were pretty heavily contested. And like,
that's the thing like Russ when he's playing within himself

(08:46):
in the sense that he's taking these wide open ketch
and shoot threes preferably out of the corner. And that's
the other thing too, Like I would situate him in
the corner more because I think you get more off
ball utility anyway, in the sense that if you're at
the top of the key, there's there's only so much
cutting you can do without compromising your transition defense. And
when the shot goes up and you're at the top
of the key, your responsibility is get back in transition defense,

(09:09):
not to crash the offensive. Class I almost like Russell
Westbrook in a situation where he's crashing more cutting along
the baseline. I think he's better served in the middle
of the floor and out of the corners when he's
off the ball alongside Yokich. And so that was just
kind of a rough Westbrook shift again, like the one
upside them being able to defend Kwai a little bit better,
but the Clippers just brought a great punch tonight, and

(09:32):
the Nuggets just that was their worst game of the
series in terms of their execution. They really let go
of the rope for a little bit. Now they're down
to one and they're gonna have to get one of
these games, and Game four is going to be an
opportunity for them to try to just hang onto the
rope throughout the rest of the game, because again for them,
as we know, if they can get to five minutes
left within around you know, five eight points. I like

(09:54):
the Nuggets chances in this series, but if they allow
the Clippers to build margin, it's going to be really
difficult for them to hang around. All right, Let's go
to Nicks Pistons. How did the Knicks get their offense going?
That was the interesting story of tonight. I think they
finished with one hundred and eighteen points, won by a
little bit more of a healthy margin than what would
the scoreboard would lead you to believe, thanks to some

(10:15):
late game just foul shooting and the Pistons knocking down
a couple of threes late in the game. But the
Knicks in general looked way better on offense in this game.
Started with early transition pushes. This is an easy way
to trigger some of their more natural driving kick sequences.
So when you're in the half court, you can run ISO,
you can run pick and roll, But when you're in transition,

(10:37):
transition is not ISO basketball. Transition is driving kick basketball.
When you're pushing the ball up the floor and a
guy catches wide open in the corner and a guy
sprints off of him and he attacks that close out
and everyone's in this chaotic situation and there's all these
easy driving kick raids that are available. The ball doesn't stick,
the ball moves around, and so early in the game,

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Michale Bridges gets a clean catch and shoot look up
along the left wing in transition that he knocks down
ogn Andobi gets a clean look right out of the
right corner. Carl Anthony Towns got like three or four
great advantage catches right at the top of the key,
drove one and got a foul hit a couple of threes.
That was in transition was where they were able to

(11:19):
get everybody in rhythm early, and then a little bit
of an effort from TIBs to just keep guys involved
with their half court sets. They ran an early screening
action for Ogn Andob coming out of the right corner
where he slipped a screen and got a dunk, So
like again, just making a more deliberate effort to get
him involved early post ups for Carl Anthony Towns in
the game. There was way less Brunson pick and roll

(11:40):
In this game. Brunson attempted a shot and pick and
roll just seven times tonight. He did so twenty five
times in the first two games. So they basically like
cut Brunson pick and roll reps in half in this game,
way more opportunities for everyone else. McKale Bridges only took
one shot out of a ball screen in game two.
They got five points out of mckayl bridge is shooting

(12:00):
out of ball screens tonight. Oj A Nanoby only got
one chance to create a shot on an island in
game two, a post up of Kate Cunningham where he
kind of spun baseline and end up turning the ball over.
He shot out of an iar post up four times tonight,
So there's just a lot more of an effort to
keep everyone involved, to keep everyone in rhythm, and as
a result, the offense looked way better. All four of
their stars scored over twenty points. The team scored one

(12:23):
hundred and eighteen points. Yet when they got into crunch time,
they were still able to be like, all right, we're
gonna go to a steady dose of brunts, and they
mixed in some other things. They ran to random cat
isolate in the game, which we'll talk about in a minute,
But they were able to still go to Brunton down
the stretch. But he's fresher like he was able to
straight up. He was frying Tobias Harris and Dennis Schroeder
down the stretch. But Dennis Schroeder in particular, he powered

(12:46):
through him twice, like went through his chest and made
it look like he wasn't there and got right to
the front of the rim for easy layups. And a
big part of that stems from you don't need him
to run as much action during the game, so he
has more gas in the tank. Late in the game, JB.
Bickerstaff had to literally switch Kay Cunningham onto him because
of how much success he was having literally bullying Dennis Schroeder.

(13:09):
That was a matchup where Dennis had had some success
against him early in the series. It looks like Brunson
has that completely figured out. Now they were able to
go to Kat on a big possession late. I thought
this was important and this is part of that. This
was a face up ISO against Tobias Harris. Now, remember,
like we talked about in the show the other day,
in game one, Cat runs seven ISOs. He runs zero

(13:30):
in game two, and so it's just something that they
went away from. They were able to get into that
action more frequently tonight. They go to it in crunch time.
He rips to the right, Tobias beats him to the spot.
Really nice defense. Kat pivots into like he's gonna spin
turn his back to the basket to turn over his
right shoulder, and he throws a hard shoulder fake, just
a really hard shoulder fake on that fake spin to

(13:52):
Bias bites on it and just gets completely shed off
of him. That way, Kat's able to pivot back over
his left shoulder and great separation. Actually a really nice
look for Kat there along the right baseline, and he
knocked that shot down. There was a massive shot in
that game. Michale Bridges hit a big catch and shoot
three out of the left corner one that put them
up eleven. That was the same shot he was missing

(14:14):
in Game two. Now, I am of the opinion that
that stuff really matters in terms of like connecting throughout
the game, the rhythm of the whole team, so that
when you're in late game situations, guys feel good about
the shots that they're taking. So the guys feel like
they're confident and in rhythm.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's the thing is like Jalen Brunson can still. I
was actually talking about this with my buddy Combo, he's
a big Knicks fan, and I tweeted out the link
to the show today, so you guys can see it
there if you want to hear a little bit more
Nicks talk. But like, I uh, one of the things
I said to him was like, just because you need
to get everybody involved, And this was this morning before
the game. I was like, just because you need to
get everyone involved doesn't mean you don't go to Brunson

(14:54):
down the stretch. Brunson's the best clutch player in the
league right now. Brunson at Brunton is fourteen points in
this postseason. That's the most in the entire NBA so far.
He's personally outscoring KD. Cunningham fourteen to four in the
clutch in the series, you want to ride Jalen Brunson
in those situations. You just want to put him in
a situation where he's not super exhausted when he gets there.

(15:14):
And then if for whatever reason he does want to
take a possession off, you have another action that's in
rhythm that you can go to and that all of
your catch and shoot guys, your close out drivers, things
along those lines are all feeling good and in rhythm.
All four of their stars scored over twenty points. You
got kat back up over thirty. That's the formula for
the Knicks. Use your defense to get out in transition

(15:35):
so that your whole team is moving the ball around
and attacking with an advantage, and then in the half court,
invest early in the game in action for your co
stars so that they're in a better rhythm. Then ride
Jalen Brunson late. That's your advantage. In this series. With
the Pistons, they have late game execution problems. They have lower,

(15:55):
lesser talented players that they're leaning on in big moments
late in the game. You have more aggregate skill if
you lean on it, that's your advantage. Once again for
the pistonsough late game execution, like Kate had a big
turnover late where he shed og and Anovi with frankly
just a disgusting spin movie like he drove at him
to the right and spun and Og like went into

(16:16):
camera row and he just didn't read the floor after that,
and then he just went right up against the rim protector.
It looked like he ran into a brick wall and
he just immediately lost control to basketball. Just wasn't seeing
the floor on that possession. Tobias Harris lost the ball
on like a basic dribble move in the fourth quarter
where he just tried to make an aggressive dribble move
to his left and just lost control of it. Jalen
Duran had two really bizarre sequences the jump ball where

(16:39):
he has a clear size advantage and he just like
slaps the ball out of bounds instead of just like
lightly tapping it to his teammates that were there waiting.
I was really confused as to why JB. Bickerstaff had
Jalen Duran inbound on that final sequence. That sequence was ridiculous,
by the way, and honestly, like I was having a
hard time understanding, Like I get why they ended up

(17:02):
just inbounding with five tenths of a second left. But like,
considering the clock operator was in Detroit and he's the
guy that like pressed play on the clock right after
the ball hit the rim, it felt kind of weird
that the Pistons were just rewarded with a sideline out
of bounds when in theory, the reason why Jalen Brunson
is missing that shot is so that the catch is

(17:23):
coming off of a rebound instead of off of a
deliberate inbounds pass. But regardless, they're gifted the sideline out
of bound sequence. I would have actually gone with Kate.
I know it sounds crazy, but like, when you're in
those situations, the odds of you even getting a clean
look are incredibly low because it's five tenths of a
second right, so you basically have to catch and shoot immediately.

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So like that pass has to be perfect, so you're
almost better off just having Kde inbound, even though Kate
is one of your shooters. You have Kde inbound, you
park Jalen Duran right underneath the basket because you're only
down too, and so if they don't account for Jalen Duran,
he's standing right under the basket. You could just literally
throw it up to him. You probably just run basically

(18:08):
like that that classic Finland action where you just have
a shooter like Malik Beasley backscreen for Jalen Duran, so
that Jalen Duran goes to the rim if they don't
help at all, or if Jalen Duran's man is just
sitting back there, you have a you have an opportunity
to just throw. If Jalen Duran's man is sitting up there,
you have Jalen Duran as in a screen there with

(18:29):
Malik Beasley coming off of that action, and so then
essentially as Duran cuts they're helping at the rim, you
get Beasley coming off in action. Just hope that Caid
can just laser a pass somewhere where Malik can quick
catch and turn around and shoot. But like in that situation,
putting a guy that like clearly doesn't have any touch,
Like I mean that that was the issue on the

(18:50):
jump ball was the touch, right, and you put him
in a situation where you needed him to make like
probably the most difficult pass you'll ever make in his life,
and predictably he just ended up launching it out of bounds.
But you know, that's really the story of the series
for me, Like on the one end of the floor,
the Knicks just know exactly what they want to do.
Jalen Brunson feels great going right at Schroeder, he feels

(19:11):
great going at Tobias Harris. Whichever one of those two
you want to have in the game. If you have
both of them in the game, he's gonna just take
his pick and he's gonna hunt, and then they can
go to Kat against Tobias Harris and Iso. They have
like this clear kind of order of operations, and then
like clutch points thing we talked about, like Kate only
has four clutch points in this series, and this has
been a clutch series. This has been a series where

(19:33):
it's been about scoring in the final few minutes of
the game, and Kate has just struggled to keep up
with Jalen Brunson in that regard. And so it's just
no shout out to you know, no shot at Cade,
because the reality is is this is his first time.
Like we talked about last night, Jalen Brunson has been
in what's this is ninth playoff series in the last
four years, so like there's obviously an experience gap there,

(19:58):
but like Cay just has to be better, and it's
gonna be really hard for the Pistons to overcome that
experience advantage that the Knicks have. So Thunder Grizzlies. For
obvious reasons, I was focused on the other games tonight,
but when I saw the report that Job was out,
I actually thought to myself, I'm like, the Thunder probably
can get this game. I think what people don't realize
is like that jaw factor, the pace that he plays,

(20:20):
with his ability to just draw attention in the middle
of the floor, that is what creates advantages for everyone
else to play easier brand, an easier brand of basketball.
And as soon as Jaw's out there, it's like, okay,
you have Jaron Jackson, and like he he hit a
tough hook in the fourth quarter over a triple team,
and like, there are a couple sequences where he made

(20:42):
passes out of double teams that led to decent looks.
But like Jared Jackson's not exactly a half court surgeon,
doesn't been baying. This is just a nightmare matchup for
him because he's not particularly tall, and the Thunder just
have all sorts of bodies to throw at him and
Scotty Pippen Jr. Like, it's really amazing what he's done
with his career, turning himself from a two way player

(21:02):
to like a legitimate backup point guard in the NBA.
And he had a brilliant night shot to basketball really well.
But like, it's just a lot to ask him to
create offense against the Oklahoma City Thunder defense when they're
really engaged. And so I thought they had a probability,
a legitimate probability to win that game. And I was
able to switch over in the fourth quarter right after

(21:23):
the Clippers put the Nuggets away and we got to
see some crunch time Thunder basketball. Now, Predictably, they strangled
Memphis offense, like I talked about earlier, not hard to
do with John Morant out as a team. They just
uped their pressure and intensity and things just got super
difficult for Memphis. But what I'm interested in is what
they did on the other side of the floor. This
was our first opportunity to look at some crunch time

(21:45):
offense from the Oklahoma City Thunder this year. First of all,
Alex Cruso ended up being the fifth closer, which I
thought was interesting they'd rather close small so that they
can switch. I personally think that's the right decision. I
think Cruso is just so good defense. He can scale
up defensively, like we saw in that possession where he
defended Jaron Jackson one on one and like stripped him

(22:06):
clean as he went to go to his.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Left shoulder hook or his right shoulder hook.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Like, Crusoe plays big enough and does enough defensively at
every single position that I think it's worthwhile to have
him out there as that fifth closer. In that situation,
we saw a steady diet of two man game in
the middle of the floor, whether it was Shane Ja
Dubb if he wanted to attack Scottie Pippen Junr or
Shane Alex Crusoe if you want to attack Santiel Dama.

(22:31):
And what I was impressed by is in the early
fourth quarter stretch, when the bench group was still out
there and they were starting their comeback, Shay was really
looking to score, and he was taking a lot of
quick jump shots early in the shot clock, pushing the
ball in transition, that sort of thing down the stretch.
Though he did not force the issue, he made multiple
reads out of doubles, a really nice drop off to
lou Dort outside the left block, and lou Dort made

(22:51):
like an insane shot over Zach Edy in that situation
where he just kind of like flailed up into his
body and banked it in. There was a pass to
Alix Cruso that led to a driving kick sequence drew
the double team, kicked at to Cruso. Cruso drove Chet
relocated up out of the right corner up to the
right wing, knocked down his fifth three of the game,
I believe, and all those threes were massive. It ended

(23:14):
up drawing the hard close out that led to that
big dunk that he had driving out of the right
slot in the fourth quarter. It was just actually like
really nice playing together, sharing the ball, taking the easy
reads that were available. The big thing like not getting rushed,
like getting into the middle of the floor and instead

(23:34):
of looking to shoot in traffic, looking for the reeds
that are there in traffic like they I've been really
impressed by the Thunders offense through the first three games,
just in the difference in their half court approach compared
to last year. Eighty one points for the Thunder Big
three tonight. They're trusting each other. There will obviously be
much tougher series for them on the horizon, but the

(23:56):
Thunder have the right approach here early in this postseason.
They're moving the ball better than they did last year.
All right, let's get Jackson up here, and let's get
some mailbag questions.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Let's do it, all right, We got a lot of
questions in the chats, and I thank you guys for
asking your questions, and please.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Subscribe to the show. Let's start. Let's start here.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
H If OKC makes the conference finals, what do you
think their chances would be in a series against the
Lakers or the Warriors?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
So the specific thing that the Lakers can do to
the Thunder that has me more intrigued by them as
a legitimate upset threat. And let's let's let's contextualize this
entire conversation, guys. Okay, Like I would pick the Thunder
to win the West right now, Okay, they are my
second championship favorite behind the Celtics. I don't even know

(24:48):
how I would feel if the Lakers and the Thunder
showed up in a Western Conference final series. So much
of that depends on, like, how do the how does
the Thunder offense look against a potential Clippers matchup in
the second round. Lebron and Austin haven't been jump shooting
very well this postseason, like they do they get to
the point where they shoot their jump shots better. Like,
there's so many different factors that could go one way

(25:10):
or another before the series even starts. But in theory,
the dynamic that Houston has that causes the Lakers problems,
the dynamic that Minnesota has that causes the Lakers problems.
It's a lot of like six six to six eight
dudes that are pretty big and strong as opposed to
guys that are more like six three to six five,

(25:32):
And there's some strength advantages that they can go at there.
And so as a result, like Lebron and Luca just
look a lot more comfortable against Oklahoma City's defense than
they did against other defenses that were maybe not as
good reputationally as the Thunder, but that are tougher matchups
because they present some more physical size to be able

(25:52):
to throw at Lebron and Luca. So it's that and
then it's you know the thunderd like you saw a
big one late. How did Scotti p get that three
in the in the right corner in crunch time, Like
it comes from the way the Thunder defend, but they're
fod aggressive. It's a lot of low man help. It's
a lot of packing the paint, it's a lot of
relying on closeouts. And so when you play elite playmaking
talent against them, they move the ball well and they

(26:16):
can get to those openings that the Thunder leave in
their defense when they're trying to force turnovers by being
forward aggressive. And so in theory, it's the two giant
shot creators that are also great passers that make it work.
And then on the other end of the four, it's
that classic JJ Reddick. We can actually like help off
of some of these guys and force them to take
and make jump shots against closeouts.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah, I agree. I mean I think that the the
lou Dort thing. He's you know, he's he's been an
annoyance to Luca in the past, but you only have
one of him. It's so different having It's why the
Clippers we talked along about them as championship content wal
they had Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. Not that that
worked out, but in theory, having two and that's why

(26:57):
the Celtics are really tough to be having two six
six sixty seven or even bigger in the Lakers case,
creators is is just not many teams have that, and
not many teams have defenders that can throw two.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Bodies at those those two types of guys.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
So really quickly, I wanted to talk about this too,
because we didn't have a chance the Uh, we had
a lot of people who have opinions on the lou
Dort foul, So let's let's discuss this for a minute. So, uh,
Jackson and I talked a little bit before the stream.
I both fouls are obviously not on purpose. I don't

(27:30):
think lou Dort turned around and was like I'm taking
John around and ran out tonight. Like, I don't think
that's what happened. The Dort foul to me was more
of like a reckless play. The like you mentioned last
night when we were in our mail bag. You're like
a men Thompson is crashing the offensive glass every single time.

(27:51):
That's not exactly a super rare basketball concept, like PJ.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Tucker has made a career out of that.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
You know, like there there are a lot of players
in the league that their job is to crash the
offensive glass every single time because that's one of their big,
biggest pieces of utility on offense. So Russell Westbrook does
for the Nuggets for instance. Right, we were just talking
about that earlier in the show. So like, to me,
like that was quite literally just a complete fluke that
a men Thompson was crashing the glass and he got

(28:18):
tripped up and it happened the Dort one. On the
one hand, it's like he's just trying to make a play,
But on the other hand, it's like, like every basketball
player knows what it means when you're trailing a player
and you're trying to like meet him at the basket
and he throws that drop off pass to the guy
right behind him, you know it's coming, Like it's almost

(28:41):
ninety eight percent of the time going to be a
high flying athlete coming right down the lane trying to dunk.
And so it's like, I I'm not it's dirty is
the wrong word, But I did. I did think the
dort play was just a little bit reckless, did you
think so, Jackson?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I did.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah, I mean, sorry, it's it's Algy season.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I gotta I gotta cough, Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
It's I do think he his his front foot of
forget if his left is right, slipped a little bit
as he's turning around, and that's sort of what made
it especially awkward, because if he doesn't slip, he's jumping
and there's it's probably a very physical collision with him
and jaw at the rim, but he's not undercutting his legs, right.
So I do think that's sort of the the flukey
element of it. But at the same time, to your point,

(29:32):
it's rare in that situation when was you see, it's
so rare that that results in an actually successful block, right,
And most times you're better off getting out of the
way and not giving.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
A guy an and one.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
It's just it's a little dumb or reckless or just
unnecessary at minimum to try to make a play like
that at that point in the game.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's not like it's the end of the in the
fourth quarter or anything. But what do you what do
you what are you trying to accomplish there?

Speaker 4 (29:55):
And then additionally, I do think he slipped a little
bit which made it, which made the I packed up
at all.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
To your point, like that that sort of there are
unwritten rules in basketball that involve the exposed athlete where
it's like, even if it's game point, you don't tackle
a guy out of the air on a fast break,
like even if it's game point, Like if you wrap
him up, you wrap him up while he's on the
ground like that. That's the thing, Like if you it's

(30:24):
a different type of play on a drop off on
a two on one, but like just imagine like a
two on one fast break situation where it's more like
both guys are in front and lose like a ware
that both of them are there. Like if you're guarding
the ball and the dude throws a bounce past it
the last second, Like, yeah, in theory, the competitive nature
would tell you make him earn it at the line.

(30:46):
So yeah, you want to turn and you want to
foul him. But like if the guy's in the air,
it's you just don't. You just don't because it's not
it's just an unwritten rule in basketball you don't do
that to people that are in the air. And so
my thing was like, yeah, in theory, he doesn't see
what's happening. But like when Scotty threw that drop off pass,

(31:07):
like if You're running behind Scotty and you see that
drop off pass. You know, nine times out of ten
it's probably because he has an athlete trailing, and so
it was just a little bit reckless. But again, neither
of them would would be what I considered dirty. Neither
of them were. I'm certain that neither of them were
on purpose. But it just it just was a little
reckless and it was just unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Agreed.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Another question from from that game, Hey, Jason, why don't
NBA teams attack players more often when they're.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
In foul trouble?

Speaker 4 (31:34):
At Both Sga and Isaiah Hartenstein had five fouls in
the fourth quarter and Memphis didn't attack either of them.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Thinks loved the show.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's easier said than done in the sense that, like
you can scram people out of mismatches, you can double
teams out of people out of mismatches. There were a
lot of Jared Jackson post ups that ended in double teams.
But honestly, like you know, we talked about it earlier,
Jared Jackson and Scotty, Pip and June, you're not half
court surgeons. They're not going to go up the floor

(32:02):
and be really deliberate with the way they attack, And honestly,
I thought Memphis is kind of decomposed entirely on.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
An offense.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
But your only matchup attacker was Jackson, like because Desmond
Bain is not a stare you down in ISO guy
like Scotty Pippen Junior is not that kind of guy either,
Like Jared Jackson is the only guy that's like, Okay,
we're on an island playing ones, like I can score here,
but they weren't letting him go on one on one
unless it was Caruso. So like it's one of those

(32:29):
things where it's easier send than done. I don't think
Memphis was really set up.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, it feels so easy to say, and I say
the same thing, not even about specific players, but when
a team gets in the bonus with eight minutes to
go in a quarter or something, it's like, just go downhill,
just draw a foul, And it feels like it should
be easy because there is so much foul drifting in
the NBA, But it's not quite as simple. I don't
think as it feels like it should be.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
There's a psychological element too, like when a team picks
up four fouls in the first three minutes, of a
quarter probably means they've been bitching and moaning at the
refs NonStop for that first three minutes, and so there's
a psychological element to where that that fifth foul, it's
gonna have to be a pretty substantial foul for the
ref to blow the whistle, especially in the postseason. It's
it's always it's always easier seive than done.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Like I know, it's early been a hypothetic. In a
hypothetical Clippers versus Okase's second round series, who do you
think would have the best player in the series between
a healthy Kawhi and Sga.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
That would literally be one of the biggest swing factors
in the series. Like if the Thunder were able to
successfully load up on Shay keep Done and Derek Jones
on him all series and play him into an inefficient series,
like if Shae averaged thirty three on twenty seven shots
a game like the Shaye has a lot of game
I mean tonight, he took like twenty six shots.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Shae has a lot of.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Games where like he accumulates volume score excuse me, but
he takes so many two's that it's not necessarily the
most efficient thing in the world. Some of the times
when he gets into these games where he goes like
ten for twenty six. If there's a universe where Shay
averages thirty three points a game in the series, but
he takes twenty six attempts to get there every night,
and Kawhi averages, you know, thirty two points a game,
but he gets there in seventeen shots every single night,

(34:10):
and he's just like surgical all series. By the way,
we talked about the seis miss matches, He's gonna have
a boatload of seized miss matches in that series. The
biggest fear that I would have is as you start
to kind of like dig down through the ways that
the Clippers attack, they are going to be able to
use Zoo on the offensive glass. They're gonna be able

(34:31):
to use Zoo out.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Of the post.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
But okay See is going to double the shit out
of Kawhi and Zoo on all of their post ups.
They're not gonna let those guys sit one on one.
Kawhi did it. Had a much better passing game tonight
than he did in the first two games of the series.
But like Kawhi, Leonard can struggle to handle double teams
from time to time. Zoo as well, so and then
with James Harden, you're just going up an entire stratosphere

(34:56):
of quality of perimeter defense talent on James Harden. This
is a series for James Harden that really lines up
well for him from a matchup perspective. Like a high
drop team with a big that sometimes gets lazy and
doesn't get up to the level like that is suicide
against James Harden because it's got all the baked in
reads that he's all naturally great at. Right and to

(35:17):
James's credit, he just has his three point shot going
in this postseason, which has been huge. But like, okay,
see just has so many different options they can go to.
They could switch all the James Harden pick and rolls,
double Zoo out of the post, double Kawhi out all
his post ups, and basically, I don't know if you've
seen this, Jackson, but like there have been times when

(35:38):
the Thunder and the Nuggets are in excuse me, the
Clippers and the Nuggets are in more of like a
dog fight where you can really see the Clippers lack
of playmaking talent, where like you'll see you'll just see
a guy a split second laid on a read or
like Zoo will make the wrong read, They'll force a
pass to a cutter that's not there when someone's opening
the corner, something along those lines. There's definitely a little

(36:00):
bit of a playmaking deficit sometimes with the Clippers that
I think the Thunder would take advantage of. So, like,
the Clippers are really good, and they have advantages, but
I think the Thunder are kind of built defensively to
attack their lack of playmaking.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah, and we have talked on this show, especially this
past week and last night, about the concept of secondary
playmaking and the roles that Jimmy Butler and Brandon Pagenski
played for the Warriors, and the Clippers have none of
those guys. All of all of their guys after James
Trden are good at a lot of things offensively, but
none of them are good at making that.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
I mean, Zoo is okay at it in that short role.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
He's gotten a lot better, but they don't have any
high level secondary playmakers. Norman Powell, Kawhi, Leonard Zoo, Derrick Jones, Kristaan, like,
these guys are all probably better off trying to score
than trying to playmake for other people.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Even in I this isn't let's let's take it in
this direction. My gut tells me that the nu Gets
have a better chance to beat the Thunder than the
Clippers do.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Do you agree?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
I don't know. It's a tough one. I think so.
I think so just because.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
I feel like Zoo is such a superior Yokic defender
than either of the bigs of the Thunder have it.
Despite those guys being you know, very skilled defensively, he
is just such a matchup problem in a different type
of stratosphere as a defender for Yokurs than those guys are.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
So because of that, I would I tend to agree.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
And there's a swarming that they could do with Jokic
that you can't do a Zoo. Like, if you swarm Zoo,
he can Like, that's just not a good use of
defensive resources in that matchup, so he could do more
damage on the offensive glass. Uh, Like, there are definitely
advantages that the Clippers have in that series. My main
thing is I just think that I I think that
the Nuggets can consistently score against the Thunder.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
That's the main thing.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
They had a game they won this year where they
scored one hundred and twenty four points again against them,
and they had a game this year where they scored
one hundred and forty points against them and they won.
And so yeah, so like like there is there is
a that that's the team that has a great amount
of connective playmaking, and that is on a string with
all of their cuts and their relocations, and and they

(38:12):
get guys into positions where they can be a threat.
And like, obviously the Thunder would have a bunch of
advantages in that series two. But yeah, I'm I I
would be I would be hard pressed to take the
Clippers instead of the Nuggets in a series against the Thunder.
I think the Nuggets present more problems for them.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, I think that's fair.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Let's move slightly away from that the Okay, see Thunder
for a second. If Jimmy Butler misses significant time, there
was reporting today that he avoided any structural damage. He
has a deep bruise essentially, and he has been officially
listed as questionable for their their next game.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
But if I.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Would imagine he plays, I think, consider it's Jimmy Butler.
But if he if he misses a game or two
or three, just you know, it's hard to set at
this point how many games he might miss.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
How does that change your calculus of the series.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
The fact that Golden State is going home, I think
is a huge advantage here.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I think when Golden State really defends the Rockets can't
score on them, that's not exactly a big shock. All
you have to do is ask step Heer that that's
literally the ideology within the locker room. We have seen
what this Warriors team can do at home. They can
ride the wave of their crowd to an insane defensive effort,
and they don't need Jimmy to guard the Rockets, and

(39:27):
they can do enough stuff defense to transition role players
shoot better at home, the old cliche, all that stuff,
I think would put them in a situation where if
Jimmy had to miss both games, I feel like there's
a strong chance the Warriors still split at least and
maybe win them both anyway. So like not having any

(39:48):
sort of bone bone issue, bruise break and heading home,
I think, under the circumstances for what was an incredibly fluky,
incredibly scary play, this is like literally the best case
scenario for how it could have gone.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, I agree, I think.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
I don't know about getting two games without Jimmy, but
I think a split would definitely be on the table
if that happens, And frankly, I would bet he plays.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
It's I would bet he plays.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Considering the mental of that guy, I would bet that
he plays.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I was thinking the same thing earlier today, because I
do think the Warriors have an.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Appropriate fear of Houston.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
What I mean by that is like I think they
know Houston like hands still win this series, and you
know it is with these physical teams, like the Nuggets
won three straight games against Minnesota last year. Jokic puts
on the performance of his life in Game five and

(40:47):
just fries Gobert for the world to see, and then
they lose to in a row because Minnesota just physically
overwhelms them, even when it was like, like you they
were up twenty in games seven and let go of
the rope for a few minutes and all of a
sudden they were in a dog fight and they lost
the series. So like I think, I think the urgency

(41:08):
of Golden State, thinking that them going up three to
one is almost a must, like that's a must for them,
will probably push Jimmy towards play.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Another question from the series, Hey, Jason, can you explain
how Steph fights off defenders so well? The Rockets have
been obviously very physical with him and even though it
slightly bothered him and hasn't stopped him quote unquote.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, so this is this is interesting.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
This has been one of the This was the difference
I was trying to draw last night when we were
talking about officiating, Like, I do believe that Steph gets
a shitty whistle when he's shooting, like the you can't
be like fouling jump shooters like that. That's the jump
shot is such a low margin for air thing, where

(41:49):
like if someone just barely tapped you on the forearm
with their index finger on your release, it could cause
you to miss by two feet. So like like you
like fouling jumps, fouling on jump shots, like Steph, there's
way too many of those where he's getting clipped and
he's getting pulled and he's getting grabbed and he's getting
ran over and they're not getting called. But watch any

(42:10):
player in the NBA who functions off ball fight for position.
Just because Steph is a guard doesn't mean that he
doesn't have to deal with physicality off the ball. Have
you seen like Palabonkaro fight for post position. Have you
seen Jason Tatum fight for post position? Have you seen
Yokic fight for post position? Have you seen Khi Leonard
fight for post position? Have you seen Lebron fight for
post position? It's a fucking battle down there. Everyone's grabbing

(42:33):
and holding, it's swim moves. It's like it's all physical leverage.
And so Steph, by playing off the ball, has put
himself into a situation where he is susceptible to a
lot of that off ball contact. But like we talked
about last night, it's that is actually an arrangement that
works in their favor. And what I mean by that
is like Steph has gotten really really good at using

(42:56):
simple fakes to shed guys in back door cuts.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
He'll just shove a guy to get.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Separation to run off of a screen, which, by the way,
like to me, that's legal. You know, you want to
know why it's legal, Because it's legal for them to
put their hands on Steph when he's trying to move
without the ball. It's a given a take, right, Like
that's the same reason why I've never had a problem
with the whistle that Lebron got, Lebron's trying.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
To drop that shoulder.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
And if you watch every Lebron left handed drive ever,
he's using that right arm like a battering ram, just
like swinging guys out of the way.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Like, so, guess what if.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Lebron's gonna do that, There's got to be contact allowed
on the other side of it. But it's all about
weaponizing that to your effect. And the Warriors just do
it through an incredible amount of attention to detailing their
screen game, the screens that flow into the screens with
their bigs, the seals that they use on their screens,
the all the off ball deception that Steph can use.

(43:46):
The given goes like, Steph just uses all of that
to his advantage in a way that allows him to
generate offense without having to face ball pressure. And that's
the other thing too, Like a lot of people go like, hey, guys,
why isn't Steph just running high pick and roll? And
it's like, Steph will run high pick and roll from
time to time. It's not that he doesn't do it,
but high pick and roll puts you susceptible to ball pressure,

(44:08):
and ball pressure is exhausting in a different way. When
you're off ball dealing with pressure, you can use your
hands so you can swim, move off of guys, you
can use both hands to push, you can do all
this kind of stuff to fight for a position, jockey
for position. When you're dribbling, totally different ball game. You
need those hands available to dribble the basketball, and so
ball pressure can be difficult in a different way. And
I think I think Steve Kerr in the group just

(44:29):
wants to try to avoid you know, literally a men
Thompson turning steph seven times before he gets up to
the up to the spot where he can run a
ball screen.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
And frankly, I think size and physicality is it even
amplifies that to a degree, Like it's a lot easier
to separate from a six to seven athletic wing when
you were able to run around and put two hands
on him. But when you're on the ball, it's not
the same. Like I think it's going up against a
defender like Gary Payton, for example, as opposed to a

(44:58):
defender like Amen Thompson, it's going to both amazing defenders
off the balls. On the ball is going to feel
completely differently because you are able to grapple with one
but but not in one situation but not the other.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, it's fundamentally different. Like just this is not even
a playoff thing. Just in the regular season next year,
what every team in the NBA runs horn sets, Watch
the dudes at the elbows fighting for position. That's the
same thing that's happening to Steph when he's off ball.
It's the same thing that is off ball jockeying for position.
That's literally what basketball is.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
All right, we'll take a couple more.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Do you still believe Milwaukee has a chance and what
can they do differently to flip the series?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
They absolutely, they absolutely have a chance because it's very
easy to gain momentum over the course of a series
as you figure out things that work and you identify
things that don't work and you cut them out.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
They could get a big.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Win at home riding that energy, get a couple guys
in rhythm that weren't in rhythm earlier, build Dame's conditioning,
build Dame's rhythm, all of that. My main concern is
we said before this, would Doc Rivers be able to
manage this whole situation?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
And I like if Brook.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Lopez plays thirty minutes in game three or twenty five
minutes in Game three. That's twenty five minutes where the
Pacers just get great shots every single time down the floor.
Is he can identify stuff like the dumb low man
sequences that were giving up wide open threes in crunch
time in game two. Like there's just a lot of
like basic game plan and rotation stuff.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Like AJ Green all year long.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
It reminds me of like back in the past with
like Darvin ham with like Ruy Hachimura versus Torrian Princes,
or like even Frank Vogel with like an Austin Reeves
instead of a Avery Bradley, where like there's just clear
data that shows that the Bucks are better when AJ
Green's on the floor, Like he's good, he can knock
down threes. And the big thing is it's this off
ball defense. He's like always in the right spots, like

(46:51):
he'll get attacked, like it'll be like I could just
see it in Doc River's face. It's like, oh, Pascal
Siak and win at AJ Green and hit another bank shot.
I got to get him out of the game. And
it's like, is Gary try locking these dudes up? Like it,
like is Bobby Ports, like Torrian Prince, like like they
cut his minutes in game two, but like Torrian Prince
is another one of those guys where it's like if

(47:12):
he's not hitting his threes, like you got to lean
into AJ Green, I would leave, I would be running out.
There a lot of groups that are like Yannis with
Kuzman portis where they're switching everything and it's like Gary,
Trent Dame or AJ Green, just two of those three.
And I've run a lot off of Giannis in the post.

(47:33):
He's getting double teamed, he's passing out of it well,
and just surround him with shooting and just try to
lean on the fact that you're not going to give
up as many of the easy openings from attacking Lopez,
from transition pushes and stuff, because you have some more
discipline defenders on the floor. Like I just I just
am concerned about whether or not Doc's gonna do the
right things when they.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Get back home.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Last one, where does Jokic rank among the best passers
you've seen?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
That's a good question. I've always said that.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
There is a level of playmaking talent that is just
you're born with. It's not something that you can develop
through repetition, Like you see guys like Tatum or like
Kdi or brandon Ingram guys over the years that like
developed into decent passers, but they're not like surgical half
court playmakers, and it's just a rare breed.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
And I.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Think that Luka and Jokic both are two of the
very best that I've ever seen. They remind me of
Lebron Lebron though, Like as good as Lebron was as
a passer and he was amazing, there was just that
next There was a lot of Lebron's passing ability that
was predicated on like his transition athleticism and just his
rim pressure and he was particularly great at spraying out

(48:51):
to shooters. And I feel like there's a little bit
more dynamic, like like tight window playmaking that you see
from guys like Jokic in Luca involving like lob passing.
Like I never thought Lebron. I want to cut him
some slack for the Anthony Davis relationship because he would
just end up getting that screen switched a lot of

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the times, which would shut down a lot of the
lobs that were available. But I never thought Lebron was
as good as like a lob passer as Jokic or Luca.
They're both very different, but I would say I don't
know that I've seen a player that passed the ball
better than Jokic personally. There's a bunch of guys on
that tier. That's maybe a question for the summer in

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terms of like actually putting like kind of nailing down
a ranking.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Yeah, I think there's the Jokic playmaking thing, because there's
a there's a couple elements to this question. I feel
like the physical ability to make the widest variety of
types of passes possible, and I think Lebron is at
the top of that list. I mean, Jokic has more size,
so maybe you give him an advantage there, but Lebron
can make pretty much any pass he wants to make.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
And then you combine with the fl.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Or understanding and envision and all those things, which is
where I think Joki and Luca just have a slight
edge over.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Lebron in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, they're just I this is we are splitting hairs
between the greatest passers in the history of the game,
and like my favorite Lebron moment as a passer was
the Indiana Pacers comeback in twenty seventeen in Game three
after they were already up two to zero and tylu
benched Kyrie and Kevin Love and Lebron let this come
back with like Shanning Fry and Richard Jefferson. And there

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was a play where Emon Schumpert stripped Paul George on
a right shoulder fade around the left elbow, and it
led to a fast break, and Lebron was just going
right down the middle of the floor. And I literally
watched George Hill, who was in between Lebron and the rim.
I watched George Hill vacate the lane to run to

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the corner to cover a three point shooter because he
was terrified of Lebron making the pass, and Lebron just
went down to like jackhammer smash, like Lebron his the
I feel like people have almost forgotten how good of
a passer he is, just simply because at this phase
in his career he doesn't create as much advantage as
he used to. Is that all we ought for tonight?

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All right, that's all we have for tonight, guys. We
are not gonna do a film session tomorrow. I'm not
sure if you can tell just by watching the show.
But i am like completely exhausted and I'm in desperate
need of some sleep, So I'm gonna be sleeping in
tomorrow and getting a little bit caught up on that front.
We have a jam packed weekend ahead of us with
the Friday night slate. We have what Lakers Wolves last
Tomorrow night game three, Then we have four games on Saturday,

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four games on Sunday, so no film session tomorrow. I'll
see you guys live on YouTube after the final Brothers
are of the Lakers game. And just last note, if
you guys are into Star Wars or if you are
watching and or head over to my other podcast, two
Sun's podcast, we recorded a you know, thirty five minute
or so episode where we just kind of broke down
the first three episodes with my buddy Luke's make sure
you guys head over there again. A pretty shit you

(52:00):
guys for suporting us and supporting the show, and we
will see you tomorrow night. What's up guys. As always,
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Speaker 1 (52:18):
The volume