September 24, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin admits he's falling back in love with the Bills even though he knows they'll probably end up losing to the Chiefs again in the playoffs
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, it is a Tuesday couple of NFL games
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with me. I am willing to go out there, so jamapp.
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We all feel Kansasity's the best team in the league, doubt.
But what I witnessed last night makes you wonder.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No Buffalo is winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Now Buffalo forty seven, Jacksonville ten.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
That's more about the Jags. Come on, Jags are terrible
awful all right.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well, you have to be willing to fall in love
even if in your life you've been burned or you've
been dumped. You've been singed. Happens to everybody. I've been
burned so many times by the Buffalo Bills. I don't
even I don't even like going into the kitchen. I
don't like getting near the oven. I've been burned so
many times. And they'll probably lose in mid January to
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Kansas City again in the AFC Championship. It'll be like
twenty seven twenty four. Josh Allen will make a big mistake.
He'll play well, he's Superman. He'll put on a cape
and jump over linebackers with a single bound and then
Mahomes will rip your heart out. He'll have the ball last. Yeah,
that'll probably happen again. I mean, what's gonna change, right,
same quarterback, same coach. Clearly, Kansas City is in everybody's
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head in the AFC and perhaps the NFC. But this
time it feels a little different. I'm willing to fall
in love and get burned again. First of all, Joe
Brady and Josh Allen they're nine and one together, no
more Stefan Diggs drama, and they feel more balanced. I
get all the Josh Allen horsepower, but with more efficiency,
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more balance, and without all the silly mistakes. I don't know,
maybe it'll be just, you know, like what I've seen.
But it does feel more balanced, it does feel more
it feels more like a complete team. And that's what
Kansas City is now. They're actually defensive, lad it's not
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Travis Kelcey and Mahomes. This kind of feels like I
get the horse power, but without the mistakes, and that
feels like the outcome would be different. And maybe it's
just because the AFC doesn't feel quite as powerful. The
Bengals D is just not good enough to end up
in a conference championship. Chargers feel like they're probably a
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year away. They'll be good, but a year away. I mean,
the Ravens just don't feel right losing it home to
the Raiders. The Texans are remarkable, but they have a
young quarterback and they're a young team. Buffalo's not and
Kansas City's not, and it feels like they've separated from
the AFC. I'm gonna put myself out there one more time.
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I'm willing to fall in love again. I think it's different.
I'm sure all most it's absolutely different. And I looked
at the schedule this morning and I'm willing to make
the commitment before the next three games at Baltimore, at Houston,
at the Jets. Maybe maybe in three weeks, I'll look
up and go, Okay, yeah, there's a lot of home games.
Jacksonville a j max point. I mean, come on, give
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me a break. Those guys barely care about football.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm watching it and I get all the torque without
the turnovers. It feels different. I like him. I'm willing
to have my heart ripped out in January because I'd
like to see him win. I watched the Jim Kelly
teams and they were great, but there was the Cowboys
or there. And this team is great. It feels great,
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but there's the Chiefs. But Sean McDermott says it's different too.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
When I saw us working together, all three phases supporting
one another at times, and that was good to see.
We're gonna need more of that move forward. And Josh,
you know, I think he hit ten different receivers and
his influences felt not only through his play but just
the way he's leading our football team.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, Then there was the other game. For the record,
not a big fan of two games on Monday Night football.
Thankfully one was a blowout so it could concentrate on
the other, which was a better game. And everybody's gonna
talk about Jayden Daniels, but that team didn't go into
a season, nor are they a championship team.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I did have Washington making the playoffs. They were my
surprise team in the NFL. So this morning I'm feeling
pretty good about that. Yesterday I said the Ravens were
gonna win seven.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
In a row.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I was hacked yesterday that. I don't know what happened there,
but let me just say this, it was really about
Joe Burrow last night, not his side of the ball,
but it was about the organization. He's made them relevant,
but he alone can't make them champions. They're twenty sixth
in scoring defense, and that's having played New England in
Week one and a rookie quarterback in Week three. They're garbage.
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They got a pass rusher, but Cincinnati's always been a
cheap organization, always forever, and there's a reason why teams
like the Bears and Detroit and Cincinnati have had great players.
The Hall of their their their team hall of Fames
are amazing, but they never quite. It feels outside of
those eighty five Bears, it never quite feels like they're
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willing to step up and go all in and pay
the big money, right. I mean Jaden Daniels and I
think he's going to be terrific average eleven yards of completion.
He didn't look like that until last night, and I
like him. But Cincinnati's a cheap franchise. They've moved off
defensive players on the back end, and you saw it
last night. And what does cheap mean. They have been
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working and moving off defensive players for two years. They
haven't even paid Jamar Chase yet. They haven't paid t
Higgins big money yet, the Joe Higgins, the Jajoe Burrow
contract really hasn't officially gotten ugly and kicked in yet.
And they're already moving off defensive players. They're cheap, I'm
sorry they are. And great players win games, great organizations
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sustain success. I mean, we can talk about Mahomes all
you want. That offense isn't very good right now, and
Mahomes isn't great, but they the GM Brett veach. They
hit on so many of their draft picks. I mean, defensively,
they just keep hitting on guy after guy after guy.
The coach, Andy Reid wins those close games with a
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clever game changing call at the end situationally like, you
can't just pass that off as Hey, it's Mahomes, No,
that's not it. Tom Brady, from Ernie Adams to Dante
Scarnekia to moving off Wes Welker and finding a quarterback
from Kent State in three years later, Julian Edelman looks
like a better version of Wes Welker. I mean, they
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just you can't pass that off. Yeah, Tom won a
Super Bowl in Tampa, but that thing unraveled pretty quickly, right,
because that's what organizations like Cincinnati do. And again, Burrow
has made them relevant at times spectacular, There's no question
about that. I am not denying that he's made them viable.
But players win games, organizations eventually win championships. It is
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not a coincidence that Brady and Mahomes had the best
coach in their era and strong player development. New England
went sideways at the end when Bill Belichick thought I
can be GMN coach and he Reid doesn't do that.
That's why they continue to draft so well. So I
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look at this game and you go out Jaden Daniels.
I'll get the Jayden Daniels after the break. And I've
said before is I liked him. I thought he was
gonna be a hit. I thought Washington was gonna be
a playoff team. I think Cliff Kingsbury was a tremendous hire.
It's amazing how many of these coordinator hires, Like when
Nick Saban went and got Lane Kiff and people scratched
their head at or Cliff Kingsbury failed in Arizona, why
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would you hire him? Some guys are just coordinators, and
they're great coordinators, and some guys can be great head coaches.
And Washington's gonna work. I think Washington has a chance
in this division right now. I like him more than
Dallas today, I really do. And I like him more
than the Giants. I don't like him as much as Philadelphia,
but I think they can make the wild card. But this,
to me watching the game was about Joe Burrow. He's
done everything. He's made him viable, he's made him interesting.
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He got him to a super Bowl. But they have
been terrified for two years. They just keep moving off
defensive players. They're not even paid Jamar Chase yet and
they're already moving off the back end of their defense
and they're owing three. And I don't know what happened yesterday.
I was hacked. They're not going to win eight straight.
And here was Joe after.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
We're not happy with where we're at, but by no
means is the season over.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
We're owing three, it's fourteen. Not to play.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
We just have to continue to get better and.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You know, see where the cards fall in the next
you know, ten weeks.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Listen, you don't have to be great defensively to get
to a Super Bowl. You don't. You can't be what
Cincinnati is, you know, moving off defensive player years ago,
you know Jesse Bates, guys like that Von Bell. They're
moving off guys they keep one pass rusher. They're moving
off guys they want to make sure they got room.
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This is why Cincinnati didn't have a big trophy room.
You're all in or you're not. When you get a burrow,
you go all in. You just if you got to
pay more as an owner, you just do whatever you
gotta do and pay whatever you gotta pay. Go. Look
at Carson Palmer in his prime did the same thing.
Carson Palmer made and he was great. Burrow and Palmer
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were great. NFL quarterbacks made the organization viable. But in
the end, Carson didn't have an organization that would go
all in. Wouldn't even consider a practice schedule a practice facility.
Steelers could have one, and Ravens have money. And you
know it's just at some point, a quarterback has limitations.
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As great as they are, they all have limitations. Organizations
sustain success. The star player, even a quarterback, makes you viable.
J Mac, I don't know. I've had my heart broken
a few times. I'm gonna I am willing to go
all I'm not even gonna wait for the three game
roadie for Buffalo. I'm not even gonna wait.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I am.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I am already. I bought an engagement ring for the
Bills last night. I am going all in. I don't
even care. Probably deliver it tomorrow the next day. I
don't even care. I'm willing to be burned.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So who they beat? One win Arizona and the opener.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Arizona looks pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But Arizona looked frisky. They came back to earth. Who
the Bills beat last week?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
The team that was in front of them?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, oh so Basically, they're beating a bunch of week.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, no beating them. They're destroying people.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
So that matters a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Just pummeling the Miami Dolphins, Tua and Skyler Thompson and
now they beat up on Trevor Lawrence and the hapless Jags.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I'll wait to reserve judgment. Let me see what they
do against the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Hey, you can be reticent, you can sit on the sideline.
Some of us jump all in, some of us are
going all in emotional.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Jets are still winning the division. Remember you got to
wear a Jets tank top or just a tank top
in general.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I never signed a contract for that. And that big guy,
just like yesterday show and the Bengals eight game winning
streakets all disappeared into the ether.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
By the way, Bengal Panthers Sunday's smash spot for the Bengels, Right,
come on, they bounce back.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (12:22):
Well. There were three rely noisy teams in the National
Football League this offseason, Dallas, Cincinnati and San Francisco. All
of them had significant holdouts from a star receiver. Really
noisy teams, and couldn't you argue this morning, Dallas, Cincinnati
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and San Francisco have been the three biggest disappointments in
the league. Now you could say, what about the Jets,
But that was just basically Aaron going to Egypt. I
didn't think it was that noisy. It is unfortunately now
common with a year left on a contract for a
wide receiver or a star player to think it's my
time to get paid for the record. Buffalo is three
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and zero. This is the best version of Buffalo ever,
and their quarterback Josh Allen isn't even subtle about the
team moving off Stefan Diggs. Here is Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
It's a fun and wonderful thing when you had a
bunch of guys that don't care about the stats, they
don't care about the touchdowns. And again, I think throughout
practice we've just had this mindset of like, hey, let's
just do things the right way and find ways to
win football games. That's what we're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I have talked about this for years, that a number
one receiver is actually overrated. You want to have multiple weapons.
You know you want to Puka Nakua and a Cooper
Cup in their prime and healthy, that's great. But when
you have a dominant receiver who is willing to put
himself above the team, find me all those organizations that
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are winning super Bowls? How many playoff games are the
Miami Dolphins winning? Because I know what's happening in Kansas
City since they bailed on one. I started talking about
this with Dez Bryant and Dak. I said, Dak got
better when he didn't have to coddle and babysit Dez Bryant,
who needed constant validation that he was the guy, and
des was a good player, and he got into the
end zone. But I think a number one receiver is overrated.
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I think a collection of really solid B plus guys. Now,
I need a great quarterback and a great left tackle
and a great edge rusher. Give me a Chris Jones,
give me him a Holmes, give me a great coach.
There are four or five things I want great, But
I don't need a number one lockdown corner. History proofs
you don't. I don't need a number one ride receiver.
And I like all these receivers. But brock Perty and
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Brandon Ayuk, you can tell they missed. They missed the
camp reps. They miss it. Joan Jennings right now, I'm
not so sure. I don't think he's better than Brandon Ayuk,
but he's playing better, and brock Perty trusts him because
he trusts a teammate who showed up to camp. I
know all you young sports media are obsessed with getting the bag,
and I'm all for it too. When your contract is
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over and not scrubbing your social media because you got
your fee wings hood when your contract's over, and if
you're great, pay Justin Jefferson whatever it costs, paid devont
A Adams, whatever it costs. I'm not anti player or
anti get in the bag. But Joe Burrow finally good
last night. It's week three. Jamar Chase wasn't all in.
So when star players put themselves. This is not the NBA,
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it is not a start, it's not a player driven league.
You can even be a great quarterback in this league.
It didn't guarantee anything except interesting star quarterback without everything else.
It's interesting. I mean the Chargers with Justin Herbert have
gone from interesting to potentially more because they got the
right coach and the right people around him. But Dallas
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is money obsessed. That's all we hear about. And I
think fans are over it. And it's Dallas, by the way,
is a soft franchise, and that's what happened to people
to sit around talking about money all day. You never
heard that New England for two years. I never hear
about it. In Kansas City, I know Mahomes reworks his deal.
I don't hear about money that much. I don't Chris
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Jones wanted a new contract, they got it done. Travis Kelcey,
they get it done. Didn't Kelsey get a new contract
this offseason? It's like out of the blue. I think
it got reported that he signed a contract. I didn't
even hear that. I didn't even know it was up.
But does Constant need discrub your social media? Get paid her?
The three noisiest franchises Cincinnati's making noise, Dallas making noise,
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San Francisco. I'm not anti player. Play through your contract,
and if you are a star player, a lot of organizations,
frankly do want to pay you early. They want to
get a better deal in the back end. I'm not
not anti getting the bag. If Aaron showed up to
that mini camp, you wouldn't hurt anything. And I don't
know how much that mattered. I didn't love it. But
he went to Egypt. This thing, that's Aaron single Ritch.
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You go to do his thing. That's okay. He'd been
to some of the practice. Didn't go to a couple
of the practices that didn't feel like San Francisco. San
Francisco was like a six week headache or Dallas and
get me this and get me that. God, good God.
The last time Dak got paid before this time, we
spent like four years on it. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Boy, Keler, you are fired up.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I likely ready to roll.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, boy, he's excited. All right, let's get started here
with the forty nine ers. This is not good. Just
every day there's more bad news on the forty nine
ers injury front. Christian McCaffrey will get you in a second.
He and Deebo have been out now. They just announced
the defensive tackled Javon Hargrave is out for the year
with the torn triceps. Kyle Shanahan spoke about the team's
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awful injury luck.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
The injuries are always a part of it. We've had
to deal with it a number of years, sometimes more
than others. I think last year, just mainly with some
of our main guys, we are very fortunate, you know,
they didn't miss too many games. This year, it has
been totally different to start out, so that's been real tough.
I'd like to try to stay positive with it that
you know, all of them eventually are going to come back,
but that probably changed with hard Grave today, so that
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was a tough little swallow there. But yeah, we definitely
haven't had the luck that we had last year.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
This feels like it's a kind of in a four year,
five year thing. It's the same guys getting hurt all
the time. It's a debo, it's a kittle, it's a
McCaffrey because they're very physical players. That is why last
year I said at the end, I felt San Francisco
had peaked. I don't think Buffalo has peaked. I don't
think Aaron Rodgers. I mean they could grow still. There
are a lot of teams that are good that we think,
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you know, like Cincinnati's defense, unless they made a big
move of the trade deadline. It's just not good enough.
But I look at San Francisco and I feel like
we've got They've been the best roster in the league
for like five or six years, and everybody's getting paid
now except Purting, Like the whole team's getting paid, and
the whole team's getting old. And even the young player
who Funga got hurt. So it's like, I feel like
San Francisco last year we got the best of them. Now,
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I do think they'll rest McCaffrey, and I think what
they'll do is and they're doing this. Baseball teams do this.
You just get your aces ready for octoberbert or September.
And I think San Francisco is okay with McCaffrey not
playing now because Mason's good backup. But I think in
the end, this team is old, expensive, and now it's
fair to say they're brittle.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Well, it's weird because the Jets last year had one
of the best defenses in the league and then you're like, oh,
every single player was healthy and like nobody was hurt.
Now all of a sudden, Jets missing Mosley with the
middle linebacker Jermaine Johnson out for the season, like guys
are getting dinged up and the defense isn't as great
the forty nine ers is real bleak, Colin.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I mean, you don't want to go too overboard.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
But when you hear Christian McCaffrey flew to Germany over
the weekend to see a specialist about his achilles tendonitis,
I don't think Semacs coming back anytime soon, and like
you can rely on Mason, but like is Deebo Samuel
going to get healthy?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And is Kittle gonna come back?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
But that here's the good news, Colin, rock Perty's never
played better, Shanahan's still great. Outside of McCaffrey, they do
have capable running backs. It doesn't feel like they're a
super Bowl team. I don't think their man overboard. I
think Brandon Ayuk's gonna get better over time, you would hope.
I still think San Francisco's viable because of their style,
their culture, their coach, and I think Brock pretty this
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past weekend showed us with all the critics or was
a little cynical, he really showed us that, listen, I
can do this thing without all my weapons. So I
think they're fine. But again, I'll go back to this
This is not the first time it's happened. This team
is old and expensive and now brittle, and it's fair
to say all those things.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
So the schedule is a little fortuitous. They have the
Patriots this week, their ten point favorites. However, Patriots extra
time to prepare coming off the Thursday night game, maybe
it's competitive. And then you've got Arizona Arizona after that
on the sixth. The Arizona's defense is very wobbly, but
they can score. There's just not a lot of room
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for air Colin and you start to look after that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Seattle, Kansas City, Dallas.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well their division to get their gut back. They just
lost to the Rams. There are those and I'm starting
to believe this that Seattle is one of the more
underrated teams in the league, and Kansas City will not
let them run the football. So Dallas, actually, I feel
today Dallas at home a team that can't stop the run.
And again, unless Dallas makes a trade, deadline move, that
run defense, that d line interiors week So these games
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I think on paper, like I look at Dallas, Dallas
sounds big. Dallas can't beat San Francisco the way they're constructed, defensively.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
At San free Beata like forty last they just can't.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
They literally Dallas. Their weakness is the Niners strength, physicality
running at you. So I think Dallas is going to
get smoke by him, and I think New England is.
But the other games are they'll be all close.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
So listen Seattle. Remember I like them. I bet them
to win the division. You kind of scoffed.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
They are a law of the week.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
It is a week to weekly. We need to remember that.
Sometimes it's easy to forget. Seattle has beaten nobody, I know,
like they've played awful quarterbacks. Face Detroit this week. Yeah,
I know in a lot of people are like, ooh, Seattle,
just look at that Seattle and jury report. Yeah, I
think Detroit, Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Decide No, it's one of my three. It's one of
my three games. By the way, last week, we couldn't
figure out why Seattle was only a four to four
and a half point favorite at home against Skytter Thompson,
And it was exactly what you're saying. The league was like,
who have they beaten? I do think Seattle's the kind
of team that's a year away, probably needs to upgrade
at quarterback though Gino can get you into the playoffs.
But in the end, if you watch Detroit Arizona, it
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was a corner TV game. But I watched that Detroit
finally figured out what they should be, which is running
thirty five times between two great backs. If Detroit stays
on that and stops getting cute and clever, Detroit should
have beat Seattle by a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, that's gonna be a good game. Next up is
let's go to the Jets two and one, only barely
behind Buffalo and the AFC East.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
They had.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Jets had the big win over the Patriots. Aaron Rodgers
looked fantastic. I mean, you can't say enough great stuff
about Aaron Rodgers. Well center joke Tipman says, Rogers play
has everyone feeling very confident.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Just to be able to see him bring that confidence back,
you know within his game.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know it just it brings a whole new confidence
to our whole offense.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
He's a guy that's you know, out there communicating getting
us to uh kind of the right call, right play.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
You know, he's breaking down the defense before you know
they're even showing what they have.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
So for him to be able to do that and
get into getting.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Us on on the same page.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
And then he just gets time to work and you know,
make something happen.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And that's what he's phenomena doing.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
So credit Saron Rodgers there. Listen. Yeah, I will say
we're in the content business.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Jets are interesting. So I missed him that like this
when they didn't play this weekend and they didn't play
last night, I was looking for some Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Oh yeah, okay should I all right?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So two guys, you two guys, you bailed off a well,
bagged on, ripped on, make fun of, talked about Al
Slimmer rock Pert and Aaron Rodgers looking pretty good.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
As quarterbacks so far to start the season.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Admit that forget the records, just the quarterback play from
those two.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, the Jets have beaten Jacoby Versett and Will Levis.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Reminder, and let's dovetail right into the Jets schedule this week.
It's it's bo Nicks. Okay, should handle him?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Okay, So this is one of those games that I
said last week Seattle Miami. I didn't get the line.
I thought Seattle was going to pummel him. This is
one of those I don't really get the line, but
if you inspect it, the Jets are going to pummel
the Broncos because the Broncos have to go all the
way to Tampa, go home, all the way to New York,
New York with extra rest. So bow Knicks against Aaron Rodgers,
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Aaron gets extra rest. That is why that number, because
when you look at that game, you'd think that's like
a four, four and a half. Seven's a blowout. That
line is strangely large, and I think it is because
they're looking at Aaron with extra time against bow Knicks,
having a new work on the plane there and back,
a cramped week, and I think the Jets will win convened.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And as a reminder, that line was eight Bronco Jets
were favor by eight. It was bet down. People think
the Broncos that's too many. I think if you're a
Bronco fan, here's what you take from this year. Are
there gonna be moments when you're like, we got the guy.
Like like when you watch that game against Tampa and
you're Denver fan, You're like, hell, yeah, it's a moment.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's a great moment. This is not a good week
for you. We talked about early at Seattle to open
was a bad spot for Denver. This is a bad
spot for Denver. They're not a great team. If Denver
can have four or five Sundays this year where you're like,
we got the quarterback, we got the coach, they got
their first Sunday. It wasn't just the win, it was
how they won. They dominated a hot team across the country.
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So Denver and the Jets are living in two different
universes here. I think Denver has to feel great about Sunday,
but this, like the Seattle game, is a bad spot
for a rookie quarterback in a young team.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And the Jets, if you remember, went to Denver last
year one with Zach Wilson a quarterback, and then there
was the Peyton versus Hackett, remember the chatter.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So there's a lot of angles.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
I just don't want the Jets to overlook, you know,
an inferior team because Sam Darnold is on deck the
following week. That's a huge game, Sam Donald, Flores, Kevin O'Connor, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You remember, Sam Donald is facing the Packers this week.
So the Vikings are gonna be on this incredible emotional
high and they're gonna come. It's hard to duplicate that.
Like the Rams beat the Niners. You think the Rams
are gonna play that that well, I the Rams. They've
literally emptied the tank on the Niners. I got everything
to work late. I that's why you like the Bears
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this week. I think it's up to three. Yeah, no, no,
the odds makers are saying the Rams. Listen, it's one
of the great McVay wins of his career with that team.
You cannot go off a rival game and that emotional
high and then you go in and you look at
the Bears. They're owing three. Watch Chicago.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Want to bet they beat the Titans?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Not really, but yeah, yes, it counts.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Final story is, oh boy, the Bills. They blew out
the Jags. I mean forty seven to ten. Now, obviously
Trevor Lawrence wasn't good. This is not totally on him.
The defense got cooked. Five straight touchdowns given up to
start the game. Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville now zero and three.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Lawrence has lost eight straight games dating back to the
last season. Well, listen to this.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Doug Peterson says things need to change. He was non
committal to his quarterback next week.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Cone.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
There has to be changes, whether it's play design, personnel, everything,
everything's on the table.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
And does that clue gatos? Every starter? Is that glue?
Quarterback attention leaguer.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
I mean you say everything's on We gotta take a
look at injury. You know, tonight we had some guys injured.
It could be you know, could be moved that way.
You know, it could be performance. You know, it's all
things we have to evaluate as we move forward.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
You know what. Okay, I'm no, I'm dead. I talked
about this in the staff meeting this morning. I heard
something two three years ago, a concern about Trevor Lawrence
and I looked into it and it was like he
likes football, he didn't love it. And when I watch
him play the details, he's missing stuff that backups hit
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is he really? And I got nothing against him, But
you can't lose eight straight if you're a great quarterback.
Good God, Herbert didn't do that with Brandon Staley. Like
he's just not accurate enough. He's just sloppy. Now you
can blame the coaching for that, but we see it
all the time where brock Pertty's a better prole than
a college guy. A Terrell Davis was a better NFL
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running back to the college running back. Kurt Warner is
a better prole than he was a college guy. You
see this all the time where a guy just doesn't
get the coaching and get the fit. Is Trevor Lawrence
just a better high school college guy than a pro
guy that at the pro level you have to be
so committed, so detailed, so efficient, so accurate, and that
his talent allowed him at the high school and college level,
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it allowed him to just you know, be at imperfect player,
but but a lot of glamour and a lot of fun.
When I watch him, he does not look buttoned up.
Too many loose throws, too many, too many layups, he
misses overthrows on simple stuff for his talent, like it
just it does. I see what they're trying to do
with this team, unlike the Bears. But I'm and I
like Trevor. I met Trevor, I like him. But if
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you look at the great quarterbacks in this league, they're
obsessed by the position and obsessed by the sport, and
they he looks I mean this, he just misses way
too many easy things. And I don't know what that is.
But it's not lack of talent. I mean, I'm talking
stuff like we show two or three of those passes,
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that's backup stuff. It's just I just don't see the efficiency.
His game is way too loose.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
So someone once told me, like, if anybody was gonna
pull and Andrew Luck and just up and retire, it
would be Trevor Lawrence. And it's not that he doesn't
like you obs with football. He's just he's a guy
who has a lot of interest. Yeah, and he's kind
of playing like it.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Our producer here gave me one of these stats, and
I'm reluctant to say this stuff, but this is a
real number. Trevor Lawrence has a lower career passer rating
than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I mean, that's not.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Great, Daniel. That really I think is I think Daniel
Jones is all in. I think he's limited. And again
I'm not at the facility, but I've heard things from
sources that I trust is that I just look at
Trevor's game and it's sloppy and it's loose, and it
just doesn't look buttoned up. Now, maybe it's just coaching.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Well, Doug Peterson's coaching for his job at Houston this week.
If they go zero and four, I would not be
shocked if he's followed.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Okay, they're not beating Houston. Well, Houston just got humiliated.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Jacksonville just got humiliated.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, but they got humilitated because they're a bad team.
Houston's a good team that got came also to.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I don't know why they stuck in man coverage last night.
What the hell are they doing?
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Like the defensive coordinator looks clueless. Guys are wide open
crossing routes left and right.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Jacksonville can't cover man? Can I throw this at you?
And I believe this to be true. Cheap organizations like
a Cincinnati or a Jacksonville's always build a little cheap.
They don't get the best scouts, they don't get the
best executives, right, Like I always feel like there's certain
organizations and you fans don't see this, But there's a
reason the Packers draft and develop so well because people
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that green Bay hires, they vet them, they move there
and they'll stay there forever. Green Bay will move off
you not a lot of people bail on green Bay. Like,
if you get an executive job with the packers. The
only reason you leave is you get a great offer
somewhere else, like like you know what I mean. So
nothing's a coincidence. In the NFL, Kansas City, in Green
Bay and Baltimore and all these organizations rams they draft
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well because they behind the scenes. The owner pays the
most money for the best people, and they're attractive to
the best scouts. I had a discussion years ago with
the former NFL quarterback who dabbled in scouting. He eventually
went into coaching. He said, Colin, there are area scouts.
You cannot believe the difference between the good area scouts
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and the bad area scouts. And the and the best
teams have great area scouts. They become assistant scouting directors,
director of scouting. He goes, some of these teams go,
they go cheap on area scouts and they just got
ham and Eggers all over the country. I just look
the whole Jacksonville organization feels second tier to me. Sorry,
it just does. And I like Doug Peterson, I just
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feel second tier. J Mack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd
line new Man.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I'm watching television like you. That wasn't even a competitive effort.
That that that wasn't even competitive. And I know Buffalo
is good, but they're not that good. That wasn't Troy
State against Baman and Saban's you know, Dynasty Run.
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Speaker 1 (33:16):
Colin, why does it take so long to talk about
Jadeen Daniels slow down? A loved him in college. I said,
I think he's gonna be a little bit like Lamar Jackson,
better in the pocket early in his career. Not quite
as athletic early in his career, but you know, I
love Lamar. I think Jaden Daniels is Lamar, but it'll
be a better pocket quarterback earlier. There are two rookie
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quarterbacks that have found in early rhythm. Bo Nicks with
Sean Payton and Jaden Daniels with Cliff Kingsbury. They look
more comfortable than Caleb Williams does. So Cliff Kingsbury may
not be a great head coach. Steve Kimes, his former boss,
a good friend of mine. Steve said Cliff almost too
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nice to be a head coach at pro football. He's
such a nice guy. But a lot of guys, you
know what I mean, There are people out there they're
not great for the job, but they're great at their job.
And I think that's Cliff Kingsbury. I think he's a
tremendous offensive coordinator and that's why I picked them to
be a playoff team before the season started. I think
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Dan Quinn excellent, culture builder, defensive guy, toughness. Kingsbury has
made Jadeen Daniels comfortable. And I've said this with Sean
Payton and bow Knicks. Bow Knicks right now is the
game's going really fast for him. But I we text
yesterday with Sean Payton. They love where he's at and
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he's making big chunk strides every week. So and I
think young people more than anybody, need support. The older
you get, you could be a comedy writer, you could
be a sportscaster, you could be a mayor. The older
you get, you generally have a team. You're surrounded by people.
There's a consistency. But if you look, you know, if
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you start looking around, these young guys need help. And
it's also and Cliff Kingsbury. You know a lot of
people on the internet, all the trolls on the internet
bagged on him. But I mean Spags, Josh McDaniel, Norv Turner, everywhere,
Cliff Kingsbury tremendous, tremendous coordinators. Go ask any player that's
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played for Spags, Josh McDaniel, Go ask all the players. Again,
they're great at their job. Maybe they're not the job guy.
So when I watch Caleb Williams, I see no plan,
no run game. Who's this guy, Shane Waldren Well, Shane
Waldron doesn't even get a lot of credit for Geno
Smith and Seattle, somebody else does. I don't know Shane
Waldren enough. I don't know enough about him. But Kingsbury's
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had Mahomes, He's had Kyler Murray. So I was told
before the draft. I remember about three weeks before the draft,
I went out and I said, I've been told they're
taking Jayden Daniels. I was told that Cliff Kingsbury went
to dan Quinn and Adam Peters banged the table and said,
I've coached this before. It's a combination of Mahomes. It's
a combination of Kyler Murray, and I think he plays
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a little bit like Lamar Jackson. So by the way,
Caleb Williams, Drake may are in defensive cultures. Now you
could say, well, dan Quinn's a defensive guy, but that's
not a defensive culture. Even in Atlanta, dan Quinn gave
the offense to Kyle Shanahan. They made a super Bowl
when the offense popped. So I think Dan's a good coach.
But Dan's not one of these guys where it's an
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oppressive defensive culture like Belichick. It's like do your job,
sacrifice offensive paychecks. That's not what dan Quinn is. Dan,
last night, you didn't know who the head coach was. Like,
he lets Cliff run the offense, he let Shannan run
the offense. It's not this big umbrella that weighs down
the franchise. And that's why I thought dan Quinn was
a solid higher So I just look at what I
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saw last night, and I look at what I saw
at Arizona State, LSU and here, and I think the
Cliff Kingsbury higher and the Sean Payton bow knicks fit.
I think those were the best fits. I think Caleb's
got to get new people. I think JJ McCarthy and
I said this, whoever Minnesota drafted at quarterback would work.
Whoever it is. We didn't think Sam Darnold was going
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to become you know, Josh Allen over three or four games.
But here's dan Quinn after last night.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
He's a really cool customer and he's got like real
poise about him. I thought going in, we knew the
importance of the ball and you know, the decision making
for that, we just couldn't give them short fields and
chances to go. So his ability to know when to
when not to when to make a play with his legs,
I thought, we've seen a lot of this at practice
and now it's carrying over into the games where the
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decision making sliding going taking your shot.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
But I thought was a really strong performance to make
by him.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I also have a source that told me very early
on that the most impressive part of Jade and Daniels
he was all about the right stuff. He is a grinder.
He's about the right stuff. There's no fluff, it's all substance.
He cares, he's into it. That's what I heard from
him in Arizona State. When I saw him. He was
about one hundred and fifty eight pounds at Arizona State.
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And I remember talking to HERM Edwards having him on
a podcast and like, who is that kid? He needs
to eat? But who is that kid? As a freshman.
Then he goes to LSU and Brian Kelly and LSU
guys pushed back and he was setting college records. So
here's the Washington is so starved for winning. I mean,
this was a proud franchise for like ever, here's some
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play by play from last night. They got a step
it on the third and seven, and they do Bengels
bring the house cave loading up from the cord.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Of the air zone.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He did, dut dad.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
They're going crazy. They literally don't know what to do
with themselves. Washington has found a twelve year quarterback, serious
adult athletic good in the now. Again, the reason I
didn't lead with this story is that Cincinnati's defense is
twenty six in the League facing a rookie in New England,
so their defense outside of one pass rusher is just
it's just guys. Doesn't look great. But at this point
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for a bon Knicks, I don't care that he doesn't
have a touchdown pass. He went on the road and
won and I don't care. I mean, here's the other
thing with Jaden Daniels. You notice who he's throwing too,
and this is a big thing. He's throwing to the
right guys. He knows who the guy is, Terry McLaurin.
So it's exciting, it's fun.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
There was one courageous sports caster that took Washington to
make the playoffs. Do you know who that is?
Speaker 3 (39:38):
That was a rare good call by you, cowhard, nicely done.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Hurtful too. Nex
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with me. I am willing to go out there, so jamapp.
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We all feel Kansasity's the best team in the league, doubt.
But what I witnessed last night makes you wonder.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No Buffalo is winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Now Buffalo forty seven, Jacksonville ten.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
That's more about the Jags. Come on, Jags are terrible
awful all right.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well, you have to be willing to fall in love
even if in your life you've been burned or you've
been dumped. You've been singed. Happens to everybody. I've been
burned so many times by the Buffalo Bills. I don't
even I don't even like going into the kitchen. I
don't like getting near the oven. I've been burned so
many times. And they'll probably lose in mid January to
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Kansas City again in the AFC Championship. It'll be like
twenty seven twenty four. Josh Allen will make a big mistake.
He'll play well, he's Superman. He'll put on a cape
and jump over linebackers with a single bound and then
Mahomes will rip your heart out. He'll have the ball last. Yeah,
that'll probably happen again. I mean, what's gonna change, right,
same quarterback, same coach. Clearly, Kansas City is in everybody's
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head in the AFC and perhaps the NFC. But this
time it feels a little different. I'm willing to fall
in love and get burned again. First of all, Joe
Brady and Josh Allen they're nine and one together, no
more Stefan Diggs drama, and they feel more balanced. I
get all the Josh Allen horsepower, but with more efficiency,
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more balance, and without all the silly mistakes. I don't know,
maybe it'll be just, you know, like what I've seen.
But it does feel more balanced, it does feel more
it feels more like a complete team. And that's what
Kansas City is now. They're actually defensive, lad it's not
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Travis Kelcey and Mahomes. This kind of feels like I
get the horse power, but without the mistakes, and that
feels like the outcome would be different. And maybe it's
just because the AFC doesn't feel quite as powerful. The
Bengals D is just not good enough to end up
in a conference championship. Chargers feel like they're probably a
(03:05):
year away. They'll be good, but a year away. I mean,
the Ravens just don't feel right losing it home to
the Raiders. The Texans are remarkable, but they have a
young quarterback and they're a young team. Buffalo's not and
Kansas City's not, and it feels like they've separated from
the AFC. I'm gonna put myself out there one more time.
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I'm willing to fall in love again. I think it's different.
I'm sure all most it's absolutely different. And I looked
at the schedule this morning and I'm willing to make
the commitment before the next three games at Baltimore, at Houston,
at the Jets. Maybe maybe in three weeks, I'll look
up and go, Okay, yeah, there's a lot of home games.
Jacksonville a j max point. I mean, come on, give
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me a break. Those guys barely care about football.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm watching it and I get all the torque without
the turnovers. It feels different. I like him. I'm willing
to have my heart ripped out in January because I'd
like to see him win. I watched the Jim Kelly
teams and they were great, but there was the Cowboys
or there. And this team is great. It feels great,
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but there's the Chiefs. But Sean McDermott says it's different too.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
When I saw us working together, all three phases supporting
one another at times, and that was good to see.
We're gonna need more of that move forward. And Josh,
you know, I think he hit ten different receivers and
his influences felt not only through his play but just
the way he's leading our football team.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, Then there was the other game. For the record,
not a big fan of two games on Monday Night football.
Thankfully one was a blowout so it could concentrate on
the other, which was a better game. And everybody's gonna
talk about Jayden Daniels, but that team didn't go into
a season, nor are they a championship team.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I did have Washington making the playoffs. They were my
surprise team in the NFL. So this morning I'm feeling
pretty good about that. Yesterday I said the Ravens were
gonna win seven.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
In a row.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I was hacked yesterday that. I don't know what happened there,
but let me just say this, it was really about
Joe Burrow last night, not his side of the ball,
but it was about the organization. He's made them relevant,
but he alone can't make them champions. They're twenty sixth
in scoring defense, and that's having played New England in
Week one and a rookie quarterback in Week three. They're garbage.
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They got a pass rusher, but Cincinnati's always been a
cheap organization, always forever, and there's a reason why teams
like the Bears and Detroit and Cincinnati have had great players.
The Hall of their their their team hall of Fames
are amazing, but they never quite. It feels outside of
those eighty five Bears, it never quite feels like they're
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willing to step up and go all in and pay
the big money, right. I mean Jaden Daniels and I
think he's going to be terrific average eleven yards of completion.
He didn't look like that until last night, and I
like him. But Cincinnati's a cheap franchise. They've moved off
defensive players on the back end, and you saw it
last night. And what does cheap mean. They have been
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working and moving off defensive players for two years. They
haven't even paid Jamar Chase yet. They haven't paid t
Higgins big money yet, the Joe Higgins, the Jajoe Burrow
contract really hasn't officially gotten ugly and kicked in yet.
And they're already moving off defensive players. They're cheap, I'm
sorry they are. And great players win games, great organizations
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sustain success. I mean, we can talk about Mahomes all
you want. That offense isn't very good right now, and
Mahomes isn't great, but they the GM Brett veach. They
hit on so many of their draft picks. I mean, defensively,
they just keep hitting on guy after guy after guy.
The coach, Andy Reid wins those close games with a
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clever game changing call at the end situationally like, you
can't just pass that off as Hey, it's Mahomes, No,
that's not it. Tom Brady, from Ernie Adams to Dante
Scarnekia to moving off Wes Welker and finding a quarterback
from Kent State in three years later, Julian Edelman looks
like a better version of Wes Welker. I mean, they
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just you can't pass that off. Yeah, Tom won a
Super Bowl in Tampa, but that thing unraveled pretty quickly, right,
because that's what organizations like Cincinnati do. And again, Burrow
has made them relevant at times spectacular, There's no question
about that. I am not denying that he's made them viable.
But players win games, organizations eventually win championships. It is
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not a coincidence that Brady and Mahomes had the best
coach in their era and strong player development. New England
went sideways at the end when Bill Belichick thought I
can be GMN coach and he Reid doesn't do that.
That's why they continue to draft so well. So I
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look at this game and you go out Jaden Daniels.
I'll get the Jayden Daniels after the break. And I've
said before is I liked him. I thought he was
gonna be a hit. I thought Washington was gonna be
a playoff team. I think Cliff Kingsbury was a tremendous hire.
It's amazing how many of these coordinator hires, Like when
Nick Saban went and got Lane Kiff and people scratched
their head at or Cliff Kingsbury failed in Arizona, why
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would you hire him? Some guys are just coordinators, and
they're great coordinators, and some guys can be great head coaches.
And Washington's gonna work. I think Washington has a chance
in this division right now. I like him more than
Dallas today, I really do. And I like him more
than the Giants. I don't like him as much as Philadelphia,
but I think they can make the wild card. But this,
to me watching the game was about Joe Burrow. He's
done everything. He's made him viable, he's made him interesting.
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He got him to a super Bowl. But they have
been terrified for two years. They just keep moving off
defensive players. They're not even paid Jamar Chase yet and
they're already moving off the back end of their defense
and they're owing three. And I don't know what happened yesterday.
I was hacked. They're not going to win eight straight.
And here was Joe after.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
We're not happy with where we're at, but by no
means is the season over.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
We're owing three, it's fourteen. Not to play.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
We just have to continue to get better and.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You know, see where the cards fall in the next
you know, ten weeks.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Listen, you don't have to be great defensively to get
to a Super Bowl. You don't. You can't be what
Cincinnati is, you know, moving off defensive player years ago,
you know Jesse Bates, guys like that Von Bell. They're
moving off guys they keep one pass rusher. They're moving
off guys they want to make sure they got room.
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This is why Cincinnati didn't have a big trophy room.
You're all in or you're not. When you get a burrow,
you go all in. You just if you got to
pay more as an owner, you just do whatever you
gotta do and pay whatever you gotta pay. Go. Look
at Carson Palmer in his prime did the same thing.
Carson Palmer made and he was great. Burrow and Palmer
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were great. NFL quarterbacks made the organization viable. But in
the end, Carson didn't have an organization that would go
all in. Wouldn't even consider a practice schedule a practice facility.
Steelers could have one, and Ravens have money. And you
know it's just at some point, a quarterback has limitations.
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As great as they are, they all have limitations. Organizations
sustain success. The star player, even a quarterback, makes you viable.
J Mac, I don't know. I've had my heart broken
a few times. I'm gonna I am willing to go
all I'm not even gonna wait for the three game
roadie for Buffalo. I'm not even gonna wait.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I am.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I am already. I bought an engagement ring for the
Bills last night. I am going all in. I don't
even care. Probably deliver it tomorrow the next day. I
don't even care. I'm willing to be burned.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So who they beat? One win Arizona and the opener.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Arizona looks pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But Arizona looked frisky. They came back to earth. Who
the Bills beat last week?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
The team that was in front of them?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, oh so Basically, they're beating a bunch of week.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, no beating them. They're destroying people.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
So that matters a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Just pummeling the Miami Dolphins, Tua and Skyler Thompson and
now they beat up on Trevor Lawrence and the hapless Jags.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I'll wait to reserve judgment. Let me see what they
do against the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Hey, you can be reticent, you can sit on the sideline.
Some of us jump all in, some of us are
going all in emotional.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Jets are still winning the division. Remember you got to
wear a Jets tank top or just a tank top
in general.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I never signed a contract for that. And that big guy,
just like yesterday show and the Bengals eight game winning
streakets all disappeared into the ether.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
By the way, Bengal Panthers Sunday's smash spot for the Bengels, Right,
come on, they bounce back.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
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Speaker 1 (12:22):
Well. There were three rely noisy teams in the National
Football League this offseason, Dallas, Cincinnati and San Francisco. All
of them had significant holdouts from a star receiver. Really
noisy teams, and couldn't you argue this morning, Dallas, Cincinnati
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and San Francisco have been the three biggest disappointments in
the league. Now you could say, what about the Jets,
But that was just basically Aaron going to Egypt. I
didn't think it was that noisy. It is unfortunately now
common with a year left on a contract for a
wide receiver or a star player to think it's my
time to get paid for the record. Buffalo is three
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and zero. This is the best version of Buffalo ever,
and their quarterback Josh Allen isn't even subtle about the
team moving off Stefan Diggs. Here is Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
It's a fun and wonderful thing when you had a
bunch of guys that don't care about the stats, they
don't care about the touchdowns. And again, I think throughout
practice we've just had this mindset of like, hey, let's
just do things the right way and find ways to
win football games. That's what we're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I have talked about this for years, that a number
one receiver is actually overrated. You want to have multiple weapons.
You know you want to Puka Nakua and a Cooper
Cup in their prime and healthy, that's great. But when
you have a dominant receiver who is willing to put
himself above the team, find me all those organizations that
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are winning super Bowls? How many playoff games are the
Miami Dolphins winning? Because I know what's happening in Kansas
City since they bailed on one. I started talking about
this with Dez Bryant and Dak. I said, Dak got
better when he didn't have to coddle and babysit Dez Bryant,
who needed constant validation that he was the guy, and
des was a good player, and he got into the
end zone. But I think a number one receiver is overrated.
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I think a collection of really solid B plus guys. Now,
I need a great quarterback and a great left tackle
and a great edge rusher. Give me a Chris Jones,
give me him a Holmes, give me a great coach.
There are four or five things I want great, But
I don't need a number one lockdown corner. History proofs
you don't. I don't need a number one ride receiver.
And I like all these receivers. But brock Perty and
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Brandon Ayuk, you can tell they missed. They missed the
camp reps. They miss it. Joan Jennings right now, I'm
not so sure. I don't think he's better than Brandon Ayuk,
but he's playing better, and brock Perty trusts him because
he trusts a teammate who showed up to camp. I
know all you young sports media are obsessed with getting the bag,
and I'm all for it too. When your contract is
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over and not scrubbing your social media because you got
your fee wings hood when your contract's over, and if
you're great, pay Justin Jefferson whatever it costs, paid devont
A Adams, whatever it costs. I'm not anti player or
anti get in the bag. But Joe Burrow finally good
last night. It's week three. Jamar Chase wasn't all in.
So when star players put themselves. This is not the NBA,
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it is not a start, it's not a player driven league.
You can even be a great quarterback in this league.
It didn't guarantee anything except interesting star quarterback without everything else.
It's interesting. I mean the Chargers with Justin Herbert have
gone from interesting to potentially more because they got the
right coach and the right people around him. But Dallas
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is money obsessed. That's all we hear about. And I
think fans are over it. And it's Dallas, by the way,
is a soft franchise, and that's what happened to people
to sit around talking about money all day. You never
heard that New England for two years. I never hear
about it. In Kansas City, I know Mahomes reworks his deal.
I don't hear about money that much. I don't Chris
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Jones wanted a new contract, they got it done. Travis Kelcey,
they get it done. Didn't Kelsey get a new contract
this offseason? It's like out of the blue. I think
it got reported that he signed a contract. I didn't
even hear that. I didn't even know it was up.
But does Constant need discrub your social media? Get paid her?
The three noisiest franchises Cincinnati's making noise, Dallas making noise,
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San Francisco. I'm not anti player. Play through your contract,
and if you are a star player, a lot of organizations,
frankly do want to pay you early. They want to
get a better deal in the back end. I'm not
not anti getting the bag. If Aaron showed up to
that mini camp, you wouldn't hurt anything. And I don't
know how much that mattered. I didn't love it. But
he went to Egypt. This thing, that's Aaron single Ritch.
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You go to do his thing. That's okay. He'd been
to some of the practice. Didn't go to a couple
of the practices that didn't feel like San Francisco. San
Francisco was like a six week headache or Dallas and
get me this and get me that. God, good God.
The last time Dak got paid before this time, we
spent like four years on it. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Boy, Keler, you are fired up.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I likely ready to roll.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, boy, he's excited. All right, let's get started here
with the forty nine ers. This is not good. Just
every day there's more bad news on the forty nine
ers injury front. Christian McCaffrey will get you in a second.
He and Deebo have been out now. They just announced
the defensive tackled Javon Hargrave is out for the year
with the torn triceps. Kyle Shanahan spoke about the team's
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awful injury luck.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
The injuries are always a part of it. We've had
to deal with it a number of years, sometimes more
than others. I think last year, just mainly with some
of our main guys, we are very fortunate, you know,
they didn't miss too many games. This year, it has
been totally different to start out, so that's been real tough.
I'd like to try to stay positive with it that
you know, all of them eventually are going to come back,
but that probably changed with hard Grave today, so that
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was a tough little swallow there. But yeah, we definitely
haven't had the luck that we had last year.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
This feels like it's a kind of in a four year,
five year thing. It's the same guys getting hurt all
the time. It's a debo, it's a kittle, it's a
McCaffrey because they're very physical players. That is why last
year I said at the end, I felt San Francisco
had peaked. I don't think Buffalo has peaked. I don't
think Aaron Rodgers. I mean they could grow still. There
are a lot of teams that are good that we think,
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you know, like Cincinnati's defense, unless they made a big
move of the trade deadline. It's just not good enough.
But I look at San Francisco and I feel like
we've got They've been the best roster in the league
for like five or six years, and everybody's getting paid
now except Purting, Like the whole team's getting paid, and
the whole team's getting old. And even the young player
who Funga got hurt. So it's like, I feel like
San Francisco last year we got the best of them. Now,
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I do think they'll rest McCaffrey, and I think what
they'll do is and they're doing this. Baseball teams do this.
You just get your aces ready for octoberbert or September.
And I think San Francisco is okay with McCaffrey not
playing now because Mason's good backup. But I think in
the end, this team is old, expensive, and now it's
fair to say they're brittle.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Well, it's weird because the Jets last year had one
of the best defenses in the league and then you're like, oh,
every single player was healthy and like nobody was hurt.
Now all of a sudden, Jets missing Mosley with the
middle linebacker Jermaine Johnson out for the season, like guys
are getting dinged up and the defense isn't as great
the forty nine ers is real bleak, Colin.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I mean, you don't want to go too overboard.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
But when you hear Christian McCaffrey flew to Germany over
the weekend to see a specialist about his achilles tendonitis,
I don't think Semacs coming back anytime soon, and like
you can rely on Mason, but like is Deebo Samuel
going to get healthy?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And is Kittle gonna come back?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
But that here's the good news, Colin, rock Perty's never
played better, Shanahan's still great. Outside of McCaffrey, they do
have capable running backs. It doesn't feel like they're a
super Bowl team. I don't think their man overboard. I
think Brandon Ayuk's gonna get better over time, you would hope.
I still think San Francisco's viable because of their style,
their culture, their coach, and I think Brock pretty this
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past weekend showed us with all the critics or was
a little cynical, he really showed us that, listen, I
can do this thing without all my weapons. So I
think they're fine. But again, I'll go back to this
This is not the first time it's happened. This team
is old and expensive and now brittle, and it's fair
to say all those things.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
So the schedule is a little fortuitous. They have the
Patriots this week, their ten point favorites. However, Patriots extra
time to prepare coming off the Thursday night game, maybe
it's competitive. And then you've got Arizona Arizona after that
on the sixth. The Arizona's defense is very wobbly, but
they can score. There's just not a lot of room
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for air Colin and you start to look after that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Seattle, Kansas City, Dallas.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well their division to get their gut back. They just
lost to the Rams. There are those and I'm starting
to believe this that Seattle is one of the more
underrated teams in the league, and Kansas City will not
let them run the football. So Dallas, actually, I feel
today Dallas at home a team that can't stop the run.
And again, unless Dallas makes a trade, deadline move, that
run defense, that d line interiors week So these games
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I think on paper, like I look at Dallas, Dallas
sounds big. Dallas can't beat San Francisco the way they're constructed, defensively.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
At San free Beata like forty last they just can't.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
They literally Dallas. Their weakness is the Niners strength, physicality
running at you. So I think Dallas is going to
get smoke by him, and I think New England is.
But the other games are they'll be all close.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
So listen Seattle. Remember I like them. I bet them
to win the division. You kind of scoffed.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
They are a law of the week.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
It is a week to weekly. We need to remember that.
Sometimes it's easy to forget. Seattle has beaten nobody, I know,
like they've played awful quarterbacks. Face Detroit this week. Yeah,
I know in a lot of people are like, ooh, Seattle,
just look at that Seattle and jury report. Yeah, I
think Detroit, Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Decide No, it's one of my three. It's one of
my three games. By the way, last week, we couldn't
figure out why Seattle was only a four to four
and a half point favorite at home against Skytter Thompson,
And it was exactly what you're saying. The league was like,
who have they beaten? I do think Seattle's the kind
of team that's a year away, probably needs to upgrade
at quarterback though Gino can get you into the playoffs.
But in the end, if you watch Detroit Arizona, it
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was a corner TV game. But I watched that Detroit
finally figured out what they should be, which is running
thirty five times between two great backs. If Detroit stays
on that and stops getting cute and clever, Detroit should
have beat Seattle by a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, that's gonna be a good game. Next up is
let's go to the Jets two and one, only barely
behind Buffalo and the AFC East.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
They had.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Jets had the big win over the Patriots. Aaron Rodgers
looked fantastic. I mean, you can't say enough great stuff
about Aaron Rodgers. Well center joke Tipman says, Rogers play
has everyone feeling very confident.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Just to be able to see him bring that confidence back,
you know within his game.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know it just it brings a whole new confidence
to our whole offense.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
He's a guy that's you know, out there communicating getting
us to uh kind of the right call, right play.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
You know, he's breaking down the defense before you know
they're even showing what they have.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
So for him to be able to do that and
get into getting.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Us on on the same page.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
And then he just gets time to work and you know,
make something happen.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And that's what he's phenomena doing.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
So credit Saron Rodgers there. Listen. Yeah, I will say
we're in the content business.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Jets are interesting. So I missed him that like this
when they didn't play this weekend and they didn't play
last night, I was looking for some Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Oh yeah, okay should I all right?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So two guys, you two guys, you bailed off a well,
bagged on, ripped on, make fun of, talked about Al
Slimmer rock Pert and Aaron Rodgers looking pretty good.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
As quarterbacks so far to start the season.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Admit that forget the records, just the quarterback play from
those two.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, the Jets have beaten Jacoby Versett and Will Levis.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Reminder, and let's dovetail right into the Jets schedule this week.
It's it's bo Nicks. Okay, should handle him?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Okay, So this is one of those games that I
said last week Seattle Miami. I didn't get the line.
I thought Seattle was going to pummel him. This is
one of those I don't really get the line, but
if you inspect it, the Jets are going to pummel
the Broncos because the Broncos have to go all the
way to Tampa, go home, all the way to New York,
New York with extra rest. So bow Knicks against Aaron Rodgers,
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Aaron gets extra rest. That is why that number, because
when you look at that game, you'd think that's like
a four, four and a half. Seven's a blowout. That
line is strangely large, and I think it is because
they're looking at Aaron with extra time against bow Knicks,
having a new work on the plane there and back,
a cramped week, and I think the Jets will win convened.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And as a reminder, that line was eight Bronco Jets
were favor by eight. It was bet down. People think
the Broncos that's too many. I think if you're a
Bronco fan, here's what you take from this year. Are
there gonna be moments when you're like, we got the guy.
Like like when you watch that game against Tampa and
you're Denver fan, You're like, hell, yeah, it's a moment.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's a great moment. This is not a good week
for you. We talked about early at Seattle to open
was a bad spot for Denver. This is a bad
spot for Denver. They're not a great team. If Denver
can have four or five Sundays this year where you're like,
we got the quarterback, we got the coach, they got
their first Sunday. It wasn't just the win, it was
how they won. They dominated a hot team across the country.
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So Denver and the Jets are living in two different
universes here. I think Denver has to feel great about Sunday,
but this, like the Seattle game, is a bad spot
for a rookie quarterback in a young team.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And the Jets, if you remember, went to Denver last
year one with Zach Wilson a quarterback, and then there
was the Peyton versus Hackett, remember the chatter.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So there's a lot of angles.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
I just don't want the Jets to overlook, you know,
an inferior team because Sam Darnold is on deck the
following week. That's a huge game, Sam Donald, Flores, Kevin O'Connor, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You remember, Sam Donald is facing the Packers this week.
So the Vikings are gonna be on this incredible emotional
high and they're gonna come. It's hard to duplicate that.
Like the Rams beat the Niners. You think the Rams
are gonna play that that well, I the Rams. They've
literally emptied the tank on the Niners. I got everything
to work late. I that's why you like the Bears
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this week. I think it's up to three. Yeah, no, no,
the odds makers are saying the Rams. Listen, it's one
of the great McVay wins of his career with that team.
You cannot go off a rival game and that emotional
high and then you go in and you look at
the Bears. They're owing three. Watch Chicago.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Want to bet they beat the Titans?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Not really, but yeah, yes, it counts.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Final story is, oh boy, the Bills. They blew out
the Jags. I mean forty seven to ten. Now, obviously
Trevor Lawrence wasn't good. This is not totally on him.
The defense got cooked. Five straight touchdowns given up to
start the game. Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville now zero and three.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Lawrence has lost eight straight games dating back to the
last season. Well, listen to this.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Doug Peterson says things need to change. He was non
committal to his quarterback next week.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Cone.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
There has to be changes, whether it's play design, personnel, everything,
everything's on the table.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
And does that clue gatos? Every starter? Is that glue?
Quarterback attention leaguer.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
I mean you say everything's on We gotta take a
look at injury. You know, tonight we had some guys injured.
It could be you know, could be moved that way.
You know, it could be performance. You know, it's all
things we have to evaluate as we move forward.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
You know what. Okay, I'm no, I'm dead. I talked
about this in the staff meeting this morning. I heard
something two three years ago, a concern about Trevor Lawrence
and I looked into it and it was like he
likes football, he didn't love it. And when I watch
him play the details, he's missing stuff that backups hit
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is he really? And I got nothing against him, But
you can't lose eight straight if you're a great quarterback.
Good God, Herbert didn't do that with Brandon Staley. Like
he's just not accurate enough. He's just sloppy. Now you
can blame the coaching for that, but we see it
all the time where brock Pertty's a better prole than
a college guy. A Terrell Davis was a better NFL
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running back to the college running back. Kurt Warner is
a better prole than he was a college guy. You
see this all the time where a guy just doesn't
get the coaching and get the fit. Is Trevor Lawrence
just a better high school college guy than a pro
guy that at the pro level you have to be
so committed, so detailed, so efficient, so accurate, and that
his talent allowed him at the high school and college level,
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it allowed him to just you know, be at imperfect player,
but but a lot of glamour and a lot of fun.
When I watch him, he does not look buttoned up.
Too many loose throws, too many, too many layups, he
misses overthrows on simple stuff for his talent, like it
just it does. I see what they're trying to do
with this team, unlike the Bears. But I'm and I
like Trevor. I met Trevor, I like him. But if
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you look at the great quarterbacks in this league, they're
obsessed by the position and obsessed by the sport, and
they he looks I mean this, he just misses way
too many easy things. And I don't know what that is.
But it's not lack of talent. I mean, I'm talking
stuff like we show two or three of those passes,
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that's backup stuff. It's just I just don't see the efficiency.
His game is way too loose.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
So someone once told me, like, if anybody was gonna
pull and Andrew Luck and just up and retire, it
would be Trevor Lawrence. And it's not that he doesn't
like you obs with football. He's just he's a guy
who has a lot of interest. Yeah, and he's kind
of playing like it.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Our producer here gave me one of these stats, and
I'm reluctant to say this stuff, but this is a
real number. Trevor Lawrence has a lower career passer rating
than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I mean, that's not.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Great, Daniel. That really I think is I think Daniel
Jones is all in. I think he's limited. And again
I'm not at the facility, but I've heard things from
sources that I trust is that I just look at
Trevor's game and it's sloppy and it's loose, and it
just doesn't look buttoned up. Now, maybe it's just coaching.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Well, Doug Peterson's coaching for his job at Houston this week.
If they go zero and four, I would not be
shocked if he's followed.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Okay, they're not beating Houston. Well, Houston just got humiliated.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Jacksonville just got humiliated.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, but they got humilitated because they're a bad team.
Houston's a good team that got came also to.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I don't know why they stuck in man coverage last night.
What the hell are they doing?
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Like the defensive coordinator looks clueless. Guys are wide open
crossing routes left and right.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Jacksonville can't cover man? Can I throw this at you?
And I believe this to be true. Cheap organizations like
a Cincinnati or a Jacksonville's always build a little cheap.
They don't get the best scouts, they don't get the
best executives, right, Like I always feel like there's certain
organizations and you fans don't see this, But there's a
reason the Packers draft and develop so well because people
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that green Bay hires, they vet them, they move there
and they'll stay there forever. Green Bay will move off
you not a lot of people bail on green Bay. Like,
if you get an executive job with the packers. The
only reason you leave is you get a great offer
somewhere else, like like you know what I mean. So
nothing's a coincidence. In the NFL, Kansas City, in Green
Bay and Baltimore and all these organizations rams they draft
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well because they behind the scenes. The owner pays the
most money for the best people, and they're attractive to
the best scouts. I had a discussion years ago with
the former NFL quarterback who dabbled in scouting. He eventually
went into coaching. He said, Colin, there are area scouts.
You cannot believe the difference between the good area scouts
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and the bad area scouts. And the and the best
teams have great area scouts. They become assistant scouting directors,
director of scouting. He goes, some of these teams go,
they go cheap on area scouts and they just got
ham and Eggers all over the country. I just look
the whole Jacksonville organization feels second tier to me. Sorry,
it just does. And I like Doug Peterson, I just
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feel second tier. J Mack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd
line new Man.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I'm watching television like you. That wasn't even a competitive effort.
That that that wasn't even competitive. And I know Buffalo
is good, but they're not that good. That wasn't Troy
State against Baman and Saban's you know, Dynasty Run.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
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Speaker 1 (33:16):
Colin, why does it take so long to talk about
Jadeen Daniels slow down? A loved him in college. I said,
I think he's gonna be a little bit like Lamar Jackson,
better in the pocket early in his career. Not quite
as athletic early in his career, but you know, I
love Lamar. I think Jaden Daniels is Lamar, but it'll
be a better pocket quarterback earlier. There are two rookie
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quarterbacks that have found in early rhythm. Bo Nicks with
Sean Payton and Jaden Daniels with Cliff Kingsbury. They look
more comfortable than Caleb Williams does. So Cliff Kingsbury may
not be a great head coach. Steve Kimes, his former boss,
a good friend of mine. Steve said Cliff almost too
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nice to be a head coach at pro football. He's
such a nice guy. But a lot of guys, you
know what I mean, There are people out there they're
not great for the job, but they're great at their job.
And I think that's Cliff Kingsbury. I think he's a
tremendous offensive coordinator and that's why I picked them to
be a playoff team before the season started. I think
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Dan Quinn excellent, culture builder, defensive guy, toughness. Kingsbury has
made Jadeen Daniels comfortable. And I've said this with Sean
Payton and bow Knicks. Bow Knicks right now is the
game's going really fast for him. But I we text
yesterday with Sean Payton. They love where he's at and
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he's making big chunk strides every week. So and I
think young people more than anybody, need support. The older
you get, you could be a comedy writer, you could
be a sportscaster, you could be a mayor. The older
you get, you generally have a team. You're surrounded by people.
There's a consistency. But if you look, you know, if
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you start looking around, these young guys need help. And
it's also and Cliff Kingsbury. You know a lot of
people on the internet, all the trolls on the internet
bagged on him. But I mean Spags, Josh McDaniel, Norv Turner, everywhere,
Cliff Kingsbury tremendous, tremendous coordinators. Go ask any player that's
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played for Spags, Josh McDaniel, Go ask all the players. Again,
they're great at their job. Maybe they're not the job guy.
So when I watch Caleb Williams, I see no plan,
no run game. Who's this guy, Shane Waldren Well, Shane
Waldron doesn't even get a lot of credit for Geno
Smith and Seattle, somebody else does. I don't know Shane
Waldren enough. I don't know enough about him. But Kingsbury's
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had Mahomes, He's had Kyler Murray. So I was told
before the draft. I remember about three weeks before the draft,
I went out and I said, I've been told they're
taking Jayden Daniels. I was told that Cliff Kingsbury went
to dan Quinn and Adam Peters banged the table and said,
I've coached this before. It's a combination of Mahomes. It's
a combination of Kyler Murray, and I think he plays
(36:12):
a little bit like Lamar Jackson. So by the way,
Caleb Williams, Drake may are in defensive cultures. Now you
could say, well, dan Quinn's a defensive guy, but that's
not a defensive culture. Even in Atlanta, dan Quinn gave
the offense to Kyle Shanahan. They made a super Bowl
when the offense popped. So I think Dan's a good coach.
But Dan's not one of these guys where it's an
(36:32):
oppressive defensive culture like Belichick. It's like do your job,
sacrifice offensive paychecks. That's not what dan Quinn is. Dan,
last night, you didn't know who the head coach was. Like,
he lets Cliff run the offense, he let Shannan run
the offense. It's not this big umbrella that weighs down
the franchise. And that's why I thought dan Quinn was
a solid higher So I just look at what I
(36:55):
saw last night, and I look at what I saw
at Arizona State, LSU and here, and I think the
Cliff Kingsbury higher and the Sean Payton bow knicks fit.
I think those were the best fits. I think Caleb's
got to get new people. I think JJ McCarthy and
I said this, whoever Minnesota drafted at quarterback would work.
Whoever it is. We didn't think Sam Darnold was going
(37:17):
to become you know, Josh Allen over three or four games.
But here's dan Quinn after last night.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
He's a really cool customer and he's got like real
poise about him. I thought going in, we knew the
importance of the ball and you know, the decision making
for that, we just couldn't give them short fields and
chances to go. So his ability to know when to
when not to when to make a play with his legs,
I thought, we've seen a lot of this at practice
and now it's carrying over into the games where the
(37:46):
decision making sliding going taking your shot.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
But I thought was a really strong performance to make
by him.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I also have a source that told me very early
on that the most impressive part of Jade and Daniels
he was all about the right stuff. He is a grinder.
He's about the right stuff. There's no fluff, it's all substance.
He cares, he's into it. That's what I heard from
him in Arizona State. When I saw him. He was
about one hundred and fifty eight pounds at Arizona State.
(38:11):
And I remember talking to HERM Edwards having him on
a podcast and like, who is that kid? He needs
to eat? But who is that kid? As a freshman.
Then he goes to LSU and Brian Kelly and LSU
guys pushed back and he was setting college records. So
here's the Washington is so starved for winning. I mean,
this was a proud franchise for like ever, here's some
(38:33):
play by play from last night. They got a step
it on the third and seven, and they do Bengels
bring the house cave loading up from the cord.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Of the air zone.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He did, dut dad.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
They're going crazy. They literally don't know what to do
with themselves. Washington has found a twelve year quarterback, serious
adult athletic good in the now. Again, the reason I
didn't lead with this story is that Cincinnati's defense is
twenty six in the League facing a rookie in New England,
so their defense outside of one pass rusher is just
it's just guys. Doesn't look great. But at this point
(39:15):
for a bon Knicks, I don't care that he doesn't
have a touchdown pass. He went on the road and
won and I don't care. I mean, here's the other
thing with Jaden Daniels. You notice who he's throwing too,
and this is a big thing. He's throwing to the
right guys. He knows who the guy is, Terry McLaurin.
So it's exciting, it's fun.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
There was one courageous sports caster that took Washington to
make the playoffs. Do you know who that is?
Speaker 3 (39:38):
That was a rare good call by you, cowhard, nicely done.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Hurtful too. Nex
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