August 20, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin questions Bill Belichick's legacy among the all-time great coaches in league history after Tua Tagovailoa's critical comments about Brian Flores
Broncos QB Bo Nix's is looking great, which makes Russell Wilson look bad
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Thanks for making us part of your day. All sorts
of things. Clap. Joe Klatt stops by at the end
of the show. One of my favorite tape breakdown guys,
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Brian Baldinger stops by Diana and orsinij mac. So yesterday
a story got a lot of traction and I really
didn't really notice it until I was off the area
yesterday about Tua coach the quarterback to the Miama Dolphins
and Brian Flores his first coach in the NFL. Very intense,
defensive guy and pretty enlightening stuff to say the least. Yeah, Yeah,
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So Tua on a podcast, Dan Levatard podcast came out
and basically said Brian Flores was a terrible person and
every day told me how horrible I was. And it
was such a breath of fresh air to have young
Mike McDaniel from Kyle Shanahan's system, his coaching tree, who
every day wakes up and says, I'm so lucky to
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have you. He said, basically, what would it be like
in your life if one person told you were awful
and no good and was just treated you poorly, and
then somebody else walked in and said, I can't believe
I won't put my arms around you. How lucky we are.
And he called Brian Flores, who's now a coordinator with
the Vikings, a terrible person. And you know what I
thought of. When there's a term that he's used in
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the NBA, and we use it all the time on
this show. We call it Villanova guys. And it speaks
very well of Jay Wright and the Villanova program, although
now he's moved on to broadcasting. It means not much ego, hardworking, relentless, coachable,
no baggage, love the game, great locker room guy. You
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say Villanova guy. It's like everybody in the NBA wants
a Villanova guy. It speaks beyond just the player. It's
the culture that they came from. And I think is
Bill Belichick looks for a job next year and this
broadcasting thing that's not what he ever dreamed of doing.
There's a new term and it's used in football, and
it's called Belichick guys. They're all combative, they're obnoxious. Flores,
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Matt Patricia, Joe Judge, Josh McDaniel, Bill O'Brien. They used
to call Bill O'Brien. Apparently Teapot Brady did, and Brian
Hoyer did because he boiled over all the time in meetings.
And this thing with Brian Flores, it's beyond obnoxious. It's cruel.
And it's essentially the opposite of the Sean McVeigh or
Kyle Shanahan Tree, the Demico Ryans, the Robert Salas, the
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Kevin o'connells. They come out, they're collaborative, they get along
with people. They're pro player Belichick guys. And you know,
Brian Flores probably watched Belichick dog cuss Brady for years.
I mean, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman. People have come out,
even those who are favorable with Belichick and said, I
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can't believe what Tom put up with. And it's becoming
crystal clear. Sorry, Belichick fanboys and psycophants, It's becoming crystal clear.
Is that Tom Brady, and only Tom Brady elevated Belichick
and the entire staff. Josh McDaniel couldn't get along with
Derek Carr and j Cutler, Matt Patricia couldn't get along
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with Matt Stafford. Who fights with Matt Stafford. Stafford gets
along with everybody. This is what it is. Brian Flores
called a terrible person. And I don't think two is
the best quarterback in the league. But he's a nice kid.
He's a nice guy. Everybody I know that's ever dealt
with him really likes him. Really a professional, works really hard.
Villanova guys in the NBA is a great term. Belichick
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guys in the NFL is toxic. And the entire staff
this is this. They watch their mentor, and it's Belichick. Increasingly,
these young quarterbacks coming out of college nil they've made
a million or two or three or four or five million.
I don't want to put up with this nonsense. Gotta
be collaborative. You can't be obnoxious and rigid. And for
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the record, Belichick better than OLA's assistance. Eleven years in
the NFL without Tom Brady as a starter, one playoff win,
and he's the best of the Belichick guys. Bill, So
I don't I don't think as Belichick keeps looking for work,
I don't think this is good. I think there's now
a term. I think we now just see obnoxious, non collaborative, authoritative.
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Eh No, thanks, Bill got one interview, one legitimate interview.
This story doesn't help him at all. It falls on
him to a large degree. It sounds like Michale Bridges
when he went to the Knicks he benefited from Jay Wright, Villanova,
Jalen Brunson. There's no question Michale Bridges had a larger
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market than maybe his eighteen to twenty a game you
would think would create. But it's like he's a Villanova guy.
You now, the company you keep says a lot, The group,
the culture you're part of says a lot. Be very
careful about it. So yesterday we had Chris Collinsworth on
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NBC with Mike Trico seventeen m He's great broadcaster, hell
of an NFL career. He was talking about bo Nicks,
and it got me thinking about a lot of different
things as I was driving home after the show. But
like the rest of us, bon Nick so far as
twenty three to thirty seven drives, six scores. The kid's
been unbelievable. A one hundred and sixteen passer rating, He
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had sixty one college starts. He just looks like a
grown up like I don't have a problem saying maybe
it's too optimistic. I don't think it is. This kid's
going to start. He's going to be productive. This wide
receiving core between Tim Patrick and Mims and Troy Franklin
and Courtland Sutton and the tight ends and the running back,
they're going to move the football. Now. I don't know
if their defense will be good. It was egreediously bad
last year. But the kid can play. And here was
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Chris collins Worth talking about what the film when he
looked at it, what it said about bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Bo Nicks was the one guy I thought was going
to be the upset choice. I thought he was going
to go fourth in the draft. He was a quick
release guy. The hardest thing to drill into these young
quarterbacks heads is that you have two and a half
seconds to throw the ball. If I were a head coach,
I would sit behind my quarterback with a foghorn, and
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when it got to two and a half seconds, I
would destroy his ear drums because that's when you're going
to get hit in the back of the head of
the NFL. Bow Nicks played his college football getting rid
of the ball on time. He didn't put up some
of the gaudy deep ball numbers that these guys did,
but he played like it was an NFL game, and
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that's why you're seeing him have this early success.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And it's interesting. I was saying the Brian Flores stories,
they fall on Belichick and the culture he created. If
bo Nicks is as good as I think he's going
to be, I look at Sean Payton. I think so
fifteen years he turned around the Saints overnight with Drew Brees.
He gets a rookie quarterback, Bo Nicks and he crushes it.
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You know who that falls on, Russell Wilson. I think differently,
like Sean Payton got young Drew Brees, old immobile, Drew
Brees couldn't throw a deep ball Drew Brees, and now
bow Knicks is this good, this fast? It makes me
think of Russell Wilson and go when you really inspect
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it in the dust settles. He had four really good
years in Seattle, and he was part of the best
defense in the league, first or second strongest run game,
a coach closer to his prime. The league was more
defensive driven, and Russell managed it and was pretty elusive,
but never got an MVP vote. I defended him for years.
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But if Sean Payton and bow Nicks crush this first
year and I watched them for fifteen years turn the
worst franchise in the league, the Saints around to a
Super Bowl contender virtually three out of four years, it
makes me look I can't. I can't help it. It
makes me look at Russell Wilson differently. I went back
this morning. You start inspecting it. I defended him forever,
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four great years seven and three in the playoffs, two
super Bowls, one one one a second. But from year
five until today, eight years two playoff wins and Pete
Carroll and Sean Payton, no, thank you. A defensive coach,
an offensive coach, veterans super bowls and I'm not interested.
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So it is funny that as I look at Brian Flores,
I think that falls on Belichick his culture. That's what
you get with Bill as he looks for work. I mean,
how many examples do I need? The Joe Judge, the
Matt Patricia's, the Bill O'Brien's, And I always kind of
liked Bill O'Brien. I do think he works better than others.
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But it's you start to form a strong opinion Belichick guys,
and if bo Nick hits and Drew Brees dead with Sean,
it's not the It's not the greatest for Russell Wilson's legacy,
and you start inspecting it. And I always thought he
was the engineer for those Seahawks teams, and it looked
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more like he managed it just how it feels for me.
All sorts of stuff going on. Ian O'Connor's book officially
comes out today. It'll be a New York Times bestseller,
his fifth out of six or seven books that he's written.
He really he went deep on Aaron Rodgers. It's fascinating.
I'm gonna take it with me on the trip. It's
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like a three day read, two day read. I'm going
to reread parts of it because it's just so fascinating.
But we had him on yesterday and he had a
couple really fascinating points. I actually have something positive to
say about the New York Jets because I do think
the NFL, and this is what they do, the opposite
of the WNBA. They are trying to create narratives, positive ones.
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And if you look at the Jets schedule, it is
clear the NFL's put Aaron on TV and they want
him to flourish. They're not going to change rules for
him or change in game calls, but then they can
move the schedule and further inspection. I do think the
Jets have a chance to be really interesting. But Ian
said a couple of things about Aaron yesterday, and this
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has proven these now are factual. They're based on merit
is Aaron's earned these reputations, and I'll revisit that plus
top of the hour. I do this every year in August,
I make my five boldest NFL predictions, like huge predictions. Now,
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I did him in the NBA. I do him in
the NBA. NBA had a lot of success NFL. I'm
hitting miss my five boldest NFL predictions. No, brock Perty's
not winning the MVP that is not one of them
that's coming in forty five minutes.
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So E O'Connor's book comes out on Aaron Rodgers today. Officially,
it's a really good read. Multiple people in our staff
are reading it. You'll fly through it great in depth stories.
This is going to be actually a very positive Jets discussion.
But a couple of things that are interesting. I do
think there's more pressure on Aaron than we're admitting. Brady
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second team Super Bowl, Stafford second Team Super Bowl, Peyton
Manning second Team Super Bowl. Brett farv Left had one
of the great years of his career in Minnesota. Joe
Flackell got off the couch last year and led Cleveland
to a playoff win. Joe Montana Chiefs got him to
the AFC Championship overwhelmingly. I mean, Philip Rivers had an
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ninety seven passer rating. Guy moved like an old batting
cage and he got eleven wins a ninety seven passer rating.
Had a great one year as an old unathletic guy.
You don't want to become Russell Wilson, where one coach,
one place really cool, get a Super Bowl, and then
you can't work anywhere else. If you want to be
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compared to Stafford, Brady, Manning, Montang, you don't want this
to end with a thud. Now. I don't think it
will for a couple of reasons. All get to those
in a second. But Ian O'Connor, a columnist in New
York who covers the Jets regularly, says this could go
potentially sideways fast.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I do think if the Jets are two and five,
this could really go south and get ugly in a hurry,
because he's lost some of that good will from Jets fans.
They loved him last year, but that all went away
with the injury, the offseason controversies. The Jets, of course,
being the Jets, they got all the downside of employing
Aaron Rodgers and none of the upside. Woody Johnson loves
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having a star quarterback. If Aaron plays a decent level
of football and they have a losing season, it's possible
what he will bring him back with the new coach,
But chances are if they don't make the playoffs. Rogers
is out of the building with everyone else in that
Jet organization.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Completely, utterly, absolutely, one hundred percent agreed. And there's also
a downside before I become positive, Colin, there's also a
downside that Aaron tends to be and the book really
elaborates on this. He's a grudge holder, and the problem
with grudge holders is that they're in their head and
a bad quarter becomes a bad half, becomes a bad game,
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and that's a lot of Aaron. He goes people. He's
a grudge holder. He can be petty. He had to
get back at Jimmy Kimmel. You know, that's who Aaron is,
and most of your great quarterbacks, you know, Brady's talked
about this, Peyton Manning gotta have a short memory, got
to get over stuff. Here's another series, here's another year.
But he and O'Connor pointed out that part of the
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personality traits of Aaron that are well established. He's not
going to take the blame if it goes sideways. He's
a grudge holder.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Aaron holds a grudge like he holds the football with
a very firm grip. He never lets go That's how
he got into the Jimmy Kimmel mess because Kimmel had
mocked him and he was waiting for an opportunity to
get him back, and he picked the wrong moment to
do it, and he got himself in a lot of trouble.
And so there's no question if you asked Aaron which
team he'd like to face in the Super Bowl as
a member of the New York Jets, it's the Green
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Bay Packers. And that's what fuels these guys. They'll never forget.
This is a guy who out of high school didn't
have a single scholars you've offer. He gets humiliated at
the draft. He got thirteen ten on his SATs. He's
a great quarterback, and he's got to go to the
local community college. Those things add up to that gigantic
chip on his shoulder that still has not gone away.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, the chip on Brady's shoulder was all positive. The
chip on Aaron's isn't. He couldn't get along with Green
Bay's front office. They moved on. But this is where
Aaron and the Jets are very fortunate. Their first game
is San Francisco. They may not have Trent Williams or
Brandon Ayuk. The Niners have been the noisiest distracted team
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in the league. I would bet the Jets today they
have been. It's a circus, and I'm telling you, and
Christian McCaffrey's also got a hamstring issue. Trent Williams may
not be there. I mean, folks, a lot of these
teams are going to their third preseason game. We're running
out of time here, so you are getting the Niners
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in a great spot. Heavy favorite McCaffrey. Ike Trent Williams.
Go look at the winning record without him or on
little practice. It's not the same. The second thing that
works in the Jets favor is that I think the
defense will be better than the offense this year because
I do think Aaron is forty years old. They're remaking
the offensive line. I think it'll be a little bumpy
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early with the offense. Look at the schedule. Just like
the NFL didn't want Caleb Williams to have to face
the Packers until Week eleven, give the kid a fighting chance.
You don't think big market Chicago Harbaugh's early schedule. The
NFL put Aaron Rodgers in the Jets all over television.
Look at the schedule with a great defense. Week two,
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Will Levis three read Jacoby Brissett, Week four, rookie quarterback
Bo Nicks into Sam Darnold into whoever starting for the Steelers,
back to New England, Arizona, Anthony Richardson, who's played about
ten pro games, Geno Smith. I mean, they built this
thing for the Jets to get some momentum. Doesn't mean
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they'll win games, but what it tells you is Aaron
won't have to carry this team, and so is tomorrow.
It's not that I've turned a positive eye to the Jets,
but so much of this stuff was scheduling and how
the NFL they do this on purpose. They have certain
star quarterbacks they want on television. They build narratives. They
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don't change outcomes, but they absolutely I mean we've seen
this before with BS and the tournament. They build March's
madness to have great second round matchups between big, profound brands.
It's good for the numbers. The NFL gave hardball a
little lighter than average schedule. Caleb Williams gets Tennessee at
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home with a new coaching staff for the Titans and
Aaron Rodgers and the Jets, and that defense faces rookie quarterbacks,
bad quarterbacks, backup quarterbacks. And that's that's and and I'll
say that Niner team that's about as vulnerable as they're
gonna be, because by week three, four five, McCaffrey, Trent Williams,
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I yuke if they return, they're ready to go. Week one,
go back to the last several week ones. When starters
don't play in the preseason, you don't know. There's major
upsets everywhere. On Week one, j Mack with the news,
this is the herd line news.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
You got me so excited with this Jets thing. I
had to go look up the line. So I think
it opened at six and a half.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh, I would take the Jets all day.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Well, everybody did it out to five. Now four and
a half in one spot offshore. But there is money
on the Jets in that opener.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Now remember never remember this. Oh boy, so NFL older
NFL teams don't play starters in the preseason much. Well,
so you have the Niners not playing their older players,
and then you may not have IU, Trent Williams, or
McCaffrey playing at all in the preseason, and one or
two of them may not be there. This is. I'm
just saying there's a reason the wise guys, the Sharps
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went heavy on the Jets at six and a half.
This is as vulnerable as the Niners are gonna get.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
This is what what makes the plays in five tough.
This this line's been out.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
There for months.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
If if we would if we gave you the six
and a half, when you would have.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Taken I would have it would have been one of
my best only and a half significant, I get.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think it gets down, honestly to like four. If
Trent Williams signed, it'll stay closer to five.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Colin, I'm just envisioning what that Tuesday will be like
if the Jets fit. If I don't give a Week
one Island game and they get the dove and start.
Want to know what the way that schedule shakes out?
You like exotic bets. We should look at the board
for last team to be undefeated. Okay, if the Jets
beat the Niners, they're in play to win that. Now
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the other team could there's another team that could be
going ten and zero. I'm not gonna get that out here.
I'll save it.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
But anyway, so let's get started with ceede.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Lamb and the Cowboys still no extension, but Ceedee Lamb
is dipping into the bag of tricks where when you're
desperate you.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Go on social media and do something.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Ceedee Lamb posted a cryptic picture on Instagram that got
fans talking.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
It was a still shot of Toby Maguire.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
From Spider Man in the black Spider Man suit when
he became a villain.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh, becoming a villain.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
This is what he's being reduced to.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
He's not getting his money, so now he's angry and
he's gonna go as a.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Kid, say, hey, you know, like I don't know, the
Toby Maguire Spider Man days were not terrible. I thought
they were okay. Correct him going villain? Like you think
Jerry Jones cares about this?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I told Jado, I think this is the beginning of
the erosion of the Cowboys and this is just another
part of it. I think it's I was looking at
the Denver Broncos because you and I have no life
when it comes to football. I was watching the bow
Nick stuff yesterday and looking at the Broncos depth chart.
Their number four receiver is Tim Patrick. Tim Patrick would
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if Ceedee Lamb wasn't available for the opener. Tim Patrick
would be the number one receiver for Dallas. Tim Patrick
is an undrafted pro who's he's a very good player.
He's denverse four. Like I'm telling you, As receivers have
become more important, Dallas got one, dude, They got one guy.
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But I trust so you Beaver pay him.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
It's two ways to look at this column. Everybody and
their mom is saying, sell the Cowboys. The run is over.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
It's done.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
CD and McCarthy and deck Sky's falling in Dallas.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
They're favored in thirteen games.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Again, you always say that that's today, right, Dallas gets
whacked in Game one without CD. They're favored in eight games.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
But they're projecting based on the power ratings of the
Cowboys coming into the season, and the market says this
is still a good team. It's not over because of
the noise around Dak and McCarthy and CD.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Lamb, somebody's gonna be right.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
The unwashed masses who were out here saying Dallas sting
six wins, or the guys who built casinos in the desert.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I don't think they stink, but I think Zimmer and
Mike McCarthy are capable dak obviously wins a lot of games, don't.
They're not falling into distinct category. But they won twelve
to twelve twelve. This is not a twelve win team
and an improving, young, dynamic NFC. I've said this the
last several years. The Eaton was good in the NFC,
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Aaron left the conference. I mean seriously, Rams were gonna rebuild.
The Niners missed on a quarterback, you know, like there
were Detroit was good but wasn't right mature enough. Green
Bay Aaron left, is just a bunch of kids. Well,
green Bay now is excellent, Detroit is now excellent, Rock
Purty can play. Rams are not in the rebuild. So
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it's like the last couple of years, you know, timing's
everything the last couple of years. Like I said this
with the Kansas City Chiefs, last year was the way
to beat the Chiefs. The receiving core was awful. They
couldn't blow anybody out, and Buffalo didn't and Baltimore didn't.
Last year was the year to get them. If Worthy
hits and Rashi Rice comes back, now they have the
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semblance of a good receiving corps. The last couple of
years in the NFC Chicago was unwatchable. Oh, now they
have Caleb d c was a mess. They've replaced everybody.
Rams now are stacked.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
So perhaps that was too harsh with the word stink.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
What if they've sagged eight wins eight and nine missed
the place?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think the Cowboys feel like to me, a nine
ish win team.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Nine and no playoffs. And you can be sure Dak
and McCarthy are gone, right.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
You can be Carthy is gone, not Dak. No, Dak
won't take the heat for it. Jerry, you can don't
fire quarterbacks. Dak's getting his money. It's gonna be Mike McCarthy.
And and for the record, I would hire Mike McCarthy.
There's a lot of coaches not as good as Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
If you give Dak fifty five million, you think you
think anyone's gonna want to come.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Coach at Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (24:23):
They gay Dak fifty five to sixty sixty, Well, they're
not getting Bill Belichick, they're not getting Deion Sanders.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I don't think people realize you're gonna have to pay
CD lamb. They're trapped. They are trapped. And by the way,
you know Dak who wants to contract. The McCarthy who
wants an extension. They're banging the table for CD. Those
guys are going into Jerry saying, Pam, so CD is
gonna sign a huge deal. It's gonna be thirty million
dollars a year. I Micah could be the odd guy
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out because they're gonna pay Dak as well.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
So you know, Dak load of picks for me.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It matters a lot if your contract was up, it
would matter that certain people in the holding banged on
the table for you. Right, That always helps the situation.
I got news for you. Dak and McCarthy are banging
the table behind closed doors for Ceedee Lamb because they
know this offense is a bottom six offense in the league.
Without him, there's no deep threat. No, what do you
have to double?
Speaker 5 (25:14):
So Jones did not plan for this with the quarterback.
I mean he got Trey Lance as if he's like
the successor to Dak.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He's not right, we would agree.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Yeah, so this is not an attractive job.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
If Dak Prescott's making sixty mil, I'm sorry, Dak Dallas
is not an attractive job.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It's not as attractive. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Okay, let's go on to Justin Herbert. Great news for
the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Justin Herbert back at practice yesterday after missing three weeks
with injured injured plantar fascia in his right foot.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Herbert doesn't have a ton of time to get.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Up to speed with the new offense, but Harbass spoke
about how great it was to finally have his QB
back on the field.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Great.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
Great, It felt like the music should be playing. I thought,
I felt, I thought I heard music.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Okay, how much of a some our ow boots or
excibe into that for the entire teams.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
I was excited and they would be excited to. I
don't know if they heard the angels singing like I did.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Hey min I, he's so much happier now, I mean,
just he is just so much happier. He's got his
national championship, He's got his quarterback. You know, there was
always an edge to him. He's edging, he's aging very great.
So the La media is a little softer than the
college foot well. I also think I also think he
walked into a building where he's not battling the GM
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like San Francisco. He's not battling the a D, which
it felt like at one point he was at Michigan
like Dean Spanos is behind him. The quarterback is low
maintenance and loves him. Like it's nice to walk into
a bilage. So what I've said about the Washington commanders,
it's nice to walk into a workplace and everybody Day
one is everybody's day one. There's not the old Krusty
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in the corner that's got favorites. Like that Charger building
is pro Jim. They're gonna let him call. He gets
to pick the GM, he's gonna be in card charge
of personnel, he gets to pick the coordinators. It is
a pro Jim building. Now, Sean mcgivey came in and
he had to earn that, and he did. Jim got that.
(27:20):
He was handed that. The Spanos family is like, it's
your building. We're here for you. So it's you can
tell he feels very supported in that building. And should
they just need another receiver.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
That Raiders game in the opener is sneaky. I think
it probably cracks my top six games Week one. There's
just so listen. I looked at the Raiders yesterday. I
think I told you this, Antonio.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Pierce has something I don't know exactly what it is.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I don't know what Minchu can do, but this idea
that the Raiders when they come to SOFI in Week
one are not going to have at least fifty to
fifty audience, right, you know in Sofi.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
The road team usually thinks. I don't think home field
advantage means what it used to because of the headsets
they have. Vegas now says that home field advantage is
a point and a half. For the years it was
three three so and I don't think so far is
maybe not even a point and a half. I think
green Bay in a Sunday night feels like it's still
worth the field goal. Well, but I don't think I
think Philadelphia on a Sunday night. I think I do
(28:17):
think there are stadiums that just I mean, green Bay
is almost like Alabama. It's like it's it's a collegiate
feel to it. But I've seen Aaron lose big games there.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Yeah, but valuable Raiders last year went to KC and
one on Christmas and nearly beat Miami in Miami, a
pretty good game.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
That had the head sets in the helmets has changed
all the audible problems for years, so home field. Again.
It's something, but it's not as much as you know.
I watched Baltimore at home blowing people out going to
the playoffs, and that crowd was Crickets Baltimore crowds, one
of the loudest in the years.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Lome took me down the field for a touchdown opening
drives Crickets lights out.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Final story.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
We want to tee you up for a big softball here,
nice meat fall. Jayden Daniels officially Week one starter for
the Commanders. Obviously everybody knew this was coming. Dan Quinn
officially made the move yesterday.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Oh look at that ball. Look at that ball. It's
got sonar beautiful. That thing is beautiful.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Tucking run a little je shades of RG three there.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Oh my god, he's a better thrower, he's more ready
to go RG.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
I mean he's twenty three years old. I think he's
gonna be twenty four at December.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
And by the way, bow Knicks twenty four. This kid
turning twenty four. Donald came in, he was twenty one.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Twenty one.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, I mean a lot of these guys like Drake
May is twenty one years old. Bow Knicks is twenty four.
If you don't think that's an advantage or nuts. I
mean Sam Darnold, Kenny Pickett's already twenty six, he couldn't play,
But I mean Jaden Daniels and bow Knicks. There is
a big gap. Trust me as a parent. There's a
big gap between a twenty one year old and a
twenty four year old male. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
By the way, Brock Perdy, who's started for a year
and a half in the NFL, he's only twenty four
years old. Like that's it. He's a very young guy.
These quarterbacks coming in now huge, So I don't know.
You're starting to talk me into Washington is like a
no interesticy surprise.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well you've been you've been flailing, I went.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I just don't see it too much. Newness a new
left tackle as well. We talked about it, new owner,
new OC, new head coach, quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
But if the coach was bad and the GM was
bad and the owner was bad, new isn't annex.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
I gotta get like seven different new people in the
building on the same page.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You know, Martha, you you're using it. You're using new
as a pejorative. I look at it and I think
to myself, I started a company h Everything was new,
but it's fresh and it's fun and it's optimistic. When
the Rams came to Los Angeles, it was all new.
They were great the first year. It was fresh. When
you're replacing beaten down old, losing new is the answer.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Well McVeigh was new and a young coach, but goth
had already been there. Like, I'm just well, next time
you get an NFL coach on your ask new owner,
new head coach, new OC, new rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No Jimmy Johnson, tackle jim Jimmy Johnson told me the
most freedom he ever had in Dallas was his first
two years with Jerry Jones because Jerry was trying to
get the business upright. It got worse over time because
Jerry then's like, hey, this is my toy. I got
money coming in. Jimmy oh has said the first couple
of years, Jerry was on the other side of the building.
(31:18):
He never saw him, and Jimmy was the new coach
and he was allowed to completely. So yeah, I mean,
I I.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
That could be the case for Quid.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We'll see. I'm I'm a taking him over Dallas as
the division. I'm taking Washington over Dallas. I am Jmack
with the news.
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be an October celebration. Buy some jet skis for the
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So this is something that we talked about a week
ago and two weeks ago, and now it has come
to fruition. I told you a couple of weeks ago
you're going to see college football programs hiring general managers
just like the NFL. Alabama did it yesterday, Courtney Morgan,
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he is now basically USC was looking for him. Alabama
got into a bidding war Alabama one. You're going to
see former NFL general manager Scott Boly types, those kind
of people taking general manager jobs in college So this
is another step toward college football looking more like the NFL. Secondly,
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conference realignment is going to look more like the NFL
the AFC. In the NFC, the Big Ten and the
SEC are going to have the overwhelming majority of the
good teams. But with a twelve team playoff, which in
my opinion, will expand of fourteen, you'll still get your
Utahs in, You'll still get a couple of acc Big twelve.
You'll be fine. But between the new general managers in
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college football and the conference realignment it's going to feel
more like the NFL. And I'm okay with it because
college football has been a tribal, regional mismanage mess by
entire life and TV networks finally said, guys will handle it.
You can't. They can't get their schedules even. I mean,
(34:11):
think about this eight billion dollar a year business. The
NCAA didn't have a president of football, they didn't have
a schedule maker. It's a mess. It's uneven, it's unfair.
I mean, the coaches basically can say I want to
buy here, I want Troy State here. He can't do
it like that. So and college athletic directors and college
football coaches are simply not equipped to be able to
(34:33):
manage their rosters. When you're paying players, you do not
want high school running backs getting into with agents bidding
and talking to Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day on the
phone negotiating contracts. So it reminds me. College football has
reminded me a little bit like for years of Shark Tank,
(34:54):
the TV show where you've got you know, pretty good product,
yeah good products. You have good idea and you just
don't have the capital or the management or the trajectory
that you really should. And so I don't mind college
baseball being college baseball or college hockey. There's no money
in revenue. College football is a zillion dollar business, and
Networks finally said get your act together. Oh you can't,
(35:18):
we'll take it over. So this general manager this, and
for the record, I think it's good for the sport.
I don't think ads are equipped to handle this stuff.
I mean, Mike Gundhy this week, it's just sideways. Here's
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma States coach, on nil this week. He's
about he's at wits end.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
There's no negotiating now. Portals over all negotiations history. Now
we're playing football.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
You know.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
The business side of what we do now is is
we have to have those conversations with them, you know,
tell your agent quick hollingists and asking for Mawani. It's
non negotiable.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Now start to get in December.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
So now we're able to direct ourselves just at football,
and that part is fun.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, So it's just kind of un The coaches aren't
equipped to deal with it. They don't want to deal
with the agents bringing GM in. They do the work.
So here's another thing on that. Brian floores to a
story that led the show, and if you're just tuning in, basically,
Tua came out and said, you know, you had this
terrible person, Brian Flores dog cussing me every day from
(36:19):
New England, where it was okay to dog cuss the
greatest quarterback of all time. Brian Flores watches that and
then he goes down to Miami and he just treats
I mean, let's be honest, he treated to a like crap.
You don't have to love toua. You can bene to it.
That's different. Not everybody loves me, right, I get that.
But to humiliate somebody in front of the team that
worked with Brady. It wouldn't have worked with Peyton Manning.
(36:40):
You're not gonna deal with that. It wouldn't work with
Aaron Rodgers, You're not gonna deal with that, or Brett
favre It worked with Brady and that's part of his greatness.
It may work a little with Mahomes Andy Reid can
do that. But this is the thing I think about
that situation. So there's a story that came out when
he was playing at USC Caleb Williams made about ten
million dollars at US see. And this is why the
(37:01):
Belichick guys and Brian Flores, it's a cautionary tale be
very careful hiring them. Is that these new college quarterbacks,
these stars they're coming in, they're richer than the staff.
They're certainly richer than the position coaches. Many are going
to be richer than the coordinators. And if you're a
rookie coach Matt Eberflus who's got a family, who's got mortgages,
(37:26):
Caleb could have more money than him. So the idea
of just dog Custner kid and debasing him, those days
are over. Those days are over now. I don't think.
I think there's a new trend that I've seen over
the last seven to eight years with Shanahan McVeigh, Kevin O'Connell,
Zach Taylor. You can be stern. You know, Andy and
(37:48):
Sean Payton are a little old school, but they still
their quarterbacks loved them. I mean, Breeze and Peyton were
like best friends. Mahomes and Andy Reid incredibly tight. So
there's just a way to do it. But I think
what you're seeing in college football now for the Caleb
Williams kid, Carson Beck coming out of Georgia. Carson Beck's
making millions of dollars. You're not as desperate as you
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used to be. The old hey kid, You're stuck with
me and I'm not gonna work anymore. And the truth
is in the NBA, we kind of even understand that
as Spolstra, Steve Kerr a Popovich to some degree, you
got to coddle stars a little bit. But that's because
one or two players can be the difference. In the NBA,
where a quarterback if he has a bad left tackle,
(38:32):
a bad coordinator. I mean Mahomes got blown out in
the Super Bowl. He didn't have his tackles. It's always
been more collaborative than the NBA. Lebron's gonna win everywhere.
You could have j R. Smith and Matthew Delavadova, he
could have Shane Battier and an old Ray All in
his prime, Lebron was getting into the finals. But I
do think the story's on Caleb William and nothing against
Matt Eberflus, but he has to be collaborative with Caleb.
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Caleb is not walking in here desperate, you know, Caleb.
After this contract, Caleb's net worth is over forty fifty
million bucks he's gonna have if he starts out four
and one, you're gonna have shoe deals lined up, Gatorade company,
you know, big Fortune, five hundred companies lined up. So
it's just a different day. By the way, there's good
and bad about the NIL for the NFL. The bad
(39:18):
is the harsh coaching with quarterbacks. I don't know if
that's gonna play as much as it used to. Here's
a good side of the NIL as the NFL sees it.
I was thinking about this the other day. A kid, now,
a great high school player, gets paid and let's say
it blows through the money. He's eighteen years old. Then
he goes to college. He gets paid by Georgia, Oregon,
Ohio State. He's more responsible with his money, but he
(39:41):
still doesn't really know it. The NFL will not be
the first person to pay the player. He has more
acumen financially, he's dealt with money. In high school, he
was his richest friend peer, he was in his peer group.
He was the richest. In college, he was the richest.
You know, a lot of these athletes in the NFL.
First time they get money, they just don't know. You
don't blame the kid they just don't know what to
(40:02):
do with it. By the time a lot of these
stars get to the NFL, it's their third big check,
third time they've been the richest guy in their peer group.
So I think you're going to have fewer of these
sad stories about guys blowing through their money. Guys are
coming into the NFL. A they've got more power, but
B they have more understanding how to invest their money,
(40:24):
handle their money, and I think that's good for the NFL.
That's always been a bad look for leagues when you
hear these stories about kids, what do they know what
to do with money?
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Thanks for making us part of your day. All sorts
of things. Clap. Joe Klatt stops by at the end
of the show. One of my favorite tape breakdown guys,
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Brian Baldinger stops by Diana and orsinij mac. So yesterday
a story got a lot of traction and I really
didn't really notice it until I was off the area
yesterday about Tua coach the quarterback to the Miama Dolphins
and Brian Flores his first coach in the NFL. Very intense,
defensive guy and pretty enlightening stuff to say the least. Yeah, Yeah,
(01:11):
So Tua on a podcast, Dan Levatard podcast came out
and basically said Brian Flores was a terrible person and
every day told me how horrible I was. And it
was such a breath of fresh air to have young
Mike McDaniel from Kyle Shanahan's system, his coaching tree, who
every day wakes up and says, I'm so lucky to
(01:31):
have you. He said, basically, what would it be like
in your life if one person told you were awful
and no good and was just treated you poorly, and
then somebody else walked in and said, I can't believe
I won't put my arms around you. How lucky we are.
And he called Brian Flores, who's now a coordinator with
the Vikings, a terrible person. And you know what I
thought of. When there's a term that he's used in
(01:54):
the NBA, and we use it all the time on
this show. We call it Villanova guys. And it speaks
very well of Jay Wright and the Villanova program, although
now he's moved on to broadcasting. It means not much ego, hardworking, relentless, coachable,
no baggage, love the game, great locker room guy. You
(02:14):
say Villanova guy. It's like everybody in the NBA wants
a Villanova guy. It speaks beyond just the player. It's
the culture that they came from. And I think is
Bill Belichick looks for a job next year and this
broadcasting thing that's not what he ever dreamed of doing.
There's a new term and it's used in football, and
it's called Belichick guys. They're all combative, they're obnoxious. Flores,
(02:41):
Matt Patricia, Joe Judge, Josh McDaniel, Bill O'Brien. They used
to call Bill O'Brien. Apparently Teapot Brady did, and Brian
Hoyer did because he boiled over all the time in meetings.
And this thing with Brian Flores, it's beyond obnoxious. It's cruel.
And it's essentially the opposite of the Sean McVeigh or
Kyle Shanahan Tree, the Demico Ryans, the Robert Salas, the
(03:07):
Kevin o'connells. They come out, they're collaborative, they get along
with people. They're pro player Belichick guys. And you know,
Brian Flores probably watched Belichick dog cuss Brady for years.
I mean, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman. People have come out,
even those who are favorable with Belichick and said, I
(03:29):
can't believe what Tom put up with. And it's becoming
crystal clear. Sorry, Belichick fanboys and psycophants, It's becoming crystal clear.
Is that Tom Brady, and only Tom Brady elevated Belichick
and the entire staff. Josh McDaniel couldn't get along with
Derek Carr and j Cutler, Matt Patricia couldn't get along
(03:52):
with Matt Stafford. Who fights with Matt Stafford. Stafford gets
along with everybody. This is what it is. Brian Flores
called a terrible person. And I don't think two is
the best quarterback in the league. But he's a nice kid.
He's a nice guy. Everybody I know that's ever dealt
with him really likes him. Really a professional, works really hard.
Villanova guys in the NBA is a great term. Belichick
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guys in the NFL is toxic. And the entire staff
this is this. They watch their mentor, and it's Belichick. Increasingly,
these young quarterbacks coming out of college nil they've made
a million or two or three or four or five million.
I don't want to put up with this nonsense. Gotta
be collaborative. You can't be obnoxious and rigid. And for
(04:36):
the record, Belichick better than OLA's assistance. Eleven years in
the NFL without Tom Brady as a starter, one playoff win,
and he's the best of the Belichick guys. Bill, So
I don't I don't think as Belichick keeps looking for work,
I don't think this is good. I think there's now
a term. I think we now just see obnoxious, non collaborative, authoritative.
(05:04):
Eh No, thanks, Bill got one interview, one legitimate interview.
This story doesn't help him at all. It falls on
him to a large degree. It sounds like Michale Bridges
when he went to the Knicks he benefited from Jay Wright, Villanova,
Jalen Brunson. There's no question Michale Bridges had a larger
(05:27):
market than maybe his eighteen to twenty a game you
would think would create. But it's like he's a Villanova guy.
You now, the company you keep says a lot, The group,
the culture you're part of says a lot. Be very
careful about it. So yesterday we had Chris Collinsworth on
(05:49):
NBC with Mike Trico seventeen m He's great broadcaster, hell
of an NFL career. He was talking about bo Nicks,
and it got me thinking about a lot of different
things as I was driving home after the show. But
like the rest of us, bon Nick so far as
twenty three to thirty seven drives, six scores. The kid's
been unbelievable. A one hundred and sixteen passer rating, He
(06:09):
had sixty one college starts. He just looks like a
grown up like I don't have a problem saying maybe
it's too optimistic. I don't think it is. This kid's
going to start. He's going to be productive. This wide
receiving core between Tim Patrick and Mims and Troy Franklin
and Courtland Sutton and the tight ends and the running back,
they're going to move the football. Now. I don't know
if their defense will be good. It was egreediously bad
last year. But the kid can play. And here was
(06:31):
Chris collins Worth talking about what the film when he
looked at it, what it said about bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Bo Nicks was the one guy I thought was going
to be the upset choice. I thought he was going
to go fourth in the draft. He was a quick
release guy. The hardest thing to drill into these young
quarterbacks heads is that you have two and a half
seconds to throw the ball. If I were a head coach,
I would sit behind my quarterback with a foghorn, and
(06:58):
when it got to two and a half seconds, I
would destroy his ear drums because that's when you're going
to get hit in the back of the head of
the NFL. Bow Nicks played his college football getting rid
of the ball on time. He didn't put up some
of the gaudy deep ball numbers that these guys did,
but he played like it was an NFL game, and
(07:18):
that's why you're seeing him have this early success.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And it's interesting. I was saying the Brian Flores stories,
they fall on Belichick and the culture he created. If
bo Nicks is as good as I think he's going
to be, I look at Sean Payton. I think so
fifteen years he turned around the Saints overnight with Drew Brees.
He gets a rookie quarterback, Bo Nicks and he crushes it.
(07:46):
You know who that falls on, Russell Wilson. I think differently,
like Sean Payton got young Drew Brees, old immobile, Drew
Brees couldn't throw a deep ball Drew Brees, and now
bow Knicks is this good, this fast? It makes me
think of Russell Wilson and go when you really inspect
(08:08):
it in the dust settles. He had four really good
years in Seattle, and he was part of the best
defense in the league, first or second strongest run game,
a coach closer to his prime. The league was more
defensive driven, and Russell managed it and was pretty elusive,
but never got an MVP vote. I defended him for years.
(08:32):
But if Sean Payton and bow Nicks crush this first
year and I watched them for fifteen years turn the
worst franchise in the league, the Saints around to a
Super Bowl contender virtually three out of four years, it
makes me look I can't. I can't help it. It
makes me look at Russell Wilson differently. I went back
this morning. You start inspecting it. I defended him forever,
(08:54):
four great years seven and three in the playoffs, two
super Bowls, one one one a second. But from year
five until today, eight years two playoff wins and Pete
Carroll and Sean Payton, no, thank you. A defensive coach,
an offensive coach, veterans super bowls and I'm not interested.
(09:16):
So it is funny that as I look at Brian Flores,
I think that falls on Belichick his culture. That's what
you get with Bill as he looks for work. I mean,
how many examples do I need? The Joe Judge, the
Matt Patricia's, the Bill O'Brien's, And I always kind of
liked Bill O'Brien. I do think he works better than others.
(09:37):
But it's you start to form a strong opinion Belichick guys,
and if bo Nick hits and Drew Brees dead with Sean,
it's not the It's not the greatest for Russell Wilson's legacy,
and you start inspecting it. And I always thought he
was the engineer for those Seahawks teams, and it looked
(10:00):
more like he managed it just how it feels for me.
All sorts of stuff going on. Ian O'Connor's book officially
comes out today. It'll be a New York Times bestseller,
his fifth out of six or seven books that he's written.
He really he went deep on Aaron Rodgers. It's fascinating.
I'm gonna take it with me on the trip. It's
(10:22):
like a three day read, two day read. I'm going
to reread parts of it because it's just so fascinating.
But we had him on yesterday and he had a
couple really fascinating points. I actually have something positive to
say about the New York Jets because I do think
the NFL, and this is what they do, the opposite
of the WNBA. They are trying to create narratives, positive ones.
(10:46):
And if you look at the Jets schedule, it is
clear the NFL's put Aaron on TV and they want
him to flourish. They're not going to change rules for
him or change in game calls, but then they can
move the schedule and further inspection. I do think the
Jets have a chance to be really interesting. But Ian
said a couple of things about Aaron yesterday, and this
(11:08):
has proven these now are factual. They're based on merit
is Aaron's earned these reputations, and I'll revisit that plus
top of the hour. I do this every year in August,
I make my five boldest NFL predictions, like huge predictions. Now,
(11:28):
I did him in the NBA. I do him in
the NBA. NBA had a lot of success NFL. I'm
hitting miss my five boldest NFL predictions. No, brock Perty's
not winning the MVP that is not one of them
that's coming in forty five minutes.
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So E O'Connor's book comes out on Aaron Rodgers today. Officially,
it's a really good read. Multiple people in our staff
are reading it. You'll fly through it great in depth stories.
This is going to be actually a very positive Jets discussion.
But a couple of things that are interesting. I do
think there's more pressure on Aaron than we're admitting. Brady
(12:12):
second team Super Bowl, Stafford second Team Super Bowl, Peyton
Manning second Team Super Bowl. Brett farv Left had one
of the great years of his career in Minnesota. Joe
Flackell got off the couch last year and led Cleveland
to a playoff win. Joe Montana Chiefs got him to
the AFC Championship overwhelmingly. I mean, Philip Rivers had an
(12:34):
ninety seven passer rating. Guy moved like an old batting
cage and he got eleven wins a ninety seven passer rating.
Had a great one year as an old unathletic guy.
You don't want to become Russell Wilson, where one coach,
one place really cool, get a Super Bowl, and then
you can't work anywhere else. If you want to be
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compared to Stafford, Brady, Manning, Montang, you don't want this
to end with a thud. Now. I don't think it
will for a couple of reasons. All get to those
in a second. But Ian O'Connor, a columnist in New
York who covers the Jets regularly, says this could go
potentially sideways fast.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I do think if the Jets are two and five,
this could really go south and get ugly in a hurry,
because he's lost some of that good will from Jets fans.
They loved him last year, but that all went away
with the injury, the offseason controversies. The Jets, of course,
being the Jets, they got all the downside of employing
Aaron Rodgers and none of the upside. Woody Johnson loves
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having a star quarterback. If Aaron plays a decent level
of football and they have a losing season, it's possible
what he will bring him back with the new coach,
But chances are if they don't make the playoffs. Rogers
is out of the building with everyone else in that
Jet organization.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Completely, utterly, absolutely, one hundred percent agreed. And there's also
a downside before I become positive, Colin, there's also a
downside that Aaron tends to be and the book really
elaborates on this. He's a grudge holder, and the problem
with grudge holders is that they're in their head and
a bad quarter becomes a bad half, becomes a bad game,
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and that's a lot of Aaron. He goes people. He's
a grudge holder. He can be petty. He had to
get back at Jimmy Kimmel. You know, that's who Aaron is,
and most of your great quarterbacks, you know, Brady's talked
about this, Peyton Manning gotta have a short memory, got
to get over stuff. Here's another series, here's another year.
But he and O'Connor pointed out that part of the
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personality traits of Aaron that are well established. He's not
going to take the blame if it goes sideways. He's
a grudge holder.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Aaron holds a grudge like he holds the football with
a very firm grip. He never lets go That's how
he got into the Jimmy Kimmel mess because Kimmel had
mocked him and he was waiting for an opportunity to
get him back, and he picked the wrong moment to
do it, and he got himself in a lot of trouble.
And so there's no question if you asked Aaron which
team he'd like to face in the Super Bowl as
a member of the New York Jets, it's the Green
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Bay Packers. And that's what fuels these guys. They'll never forget.
This is a guy who out of high school didn't
have a single scholars you've offer. He gets humiliated at
the draft. He got thirteen ten on his SATs. He's
a great quarterback, and he's got to go to the
local community college. Those things add up to that gigantic
chip on his shoulder that still has not gone away.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, the chip on Brady's shoulder was all positive. The
chip on Aaron's isn't. He couldn't get along with Green
Bay's front office. They moved on. But this is where
Aaron and the Jets are very fortunate. Their first game
is San Francisco. They may not have Trent Williams or
Brandon Ayuk. The Niners have been the noisiest distracted team
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in the league. I would bet the Jets today they
have been. It's a circus, and I'm telling you, and
Christian McCaffrey's also got a hamstring issue. Trent Williams may
not be there. I mean, folks, a lot of these
teams are going to their third preseason game. We're running
out of time here, so you are getting the Niners
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in a great spot. Heavy favorite McCaffrey. Ike Trent Williams.
Go look at the winning record without him or on
little practice. It's not the same. The second thing that
works in the Jets favor is that I think the
defense will be better than the offense this year because
I do think Aaron is forty years old. They're remaking
the offensive line. I think it'll be a little bumpy
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early with the offense. Look at the schedule. Just like
the NFL didn't want Caleb Williams to have to face
the Packers until Week eleven, give the kid a fighting chance.
You don't think big market Chicago Harbaugh's early schedule. The
NFL put Aaron Rodgers in the Jets all over television.
Look at the schedule with a great defense. Week two,
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Will Levis three read Jacoby Brissett, Week four, rookie quarterback
Bo Nicks into Sam Darnold into whoever starting for the Steelers,
back to New England, Arizona, Anthony Richardson, who's played about
ten pro games, Geno Smith. I mean, they built this
thing for the Jets to get some momentum. Doesn't mean
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they'll win games, but what it tells you is Aaron
won't have to carry this team, and so is tomorrow.
It's not that I've turned a positive eye to the Jets,
but so much of this stuff was scheduling and how
the NFL they do this on purpose. They have certain
star quarterbacks they want on television. They build narratives. They
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don't change outcomes, but they absolutely I mean we've seen
this before with BS and the tournament. They build March's
madness to have great second round matchups between big, profound brands.
It's good for the numbers. The NFL gave hardball a
little lighter than average schedule. Caleb Williams gets Tennessee at
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home with a new coaching staff for the Titans and
Aaron Rodgers and the Jets, and that defense faces rookie quarterbacks,
bad quarterbacks, backup quarterbacks. And that's that's and and I'll
say that Niner team that's about as vulnerable as they're
gonna be, because by week three, four five, McCaffrey, Trent Williams,
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I yuke if they return, they're ready to go. Week one,
go back to the last several week ones. When starters
don't play in the preseason, you don't know. There's major
upsets everywhere. On Week one, j Mack with the news,
this is the herd line news.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
You got me so excited with this Jets thing. I
had to go look up the line. So I think
it opened at six and a half.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh, I would take the Jets all day.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Well, everybody did it out to five. Now four and
a half in one spot offshore. But there is money
on the Jets in that opener.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Now remember never remember this. Oh boy, so NFL older
NFL teams don't play starters in the preseason much. Well,
so you have the Niners not playing their older players,
and then you may not have IU, Trent Williams, or
McCaffrey playing at all in the preseason, and one or
two of them may not be there. This is. I'm
just saying there's a reason the wise guys, the Sharps
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went heavy on the Jets at six and a half.
This is as vulnerable as the Niners are gonna get.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
This is what what makes the plays in five tough.
This this line's been out.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
There for months.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
If if we would if we gave you the six
and a half, when you would have.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Taken I would have it would have been one of
my best only and a half significant, I get.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think it gets down, honestly to like four. If
Trent Williams signed, it'll stay closer to five.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Colin, I'm just envisioning what that Tuesday will be like
if the Jets fit. If I don't give a Week
one Island game and they get the dove and start.
Want to know what the way that schedule shakes out?
You like exotic bets. We should look at the board
for last team to be undefeated. Okay, if the Jets
beat the Niners, they're in play to win that. Now
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the other team could there's another team that could be
going ten and zero. I'm not gonna get that out here.
I'll save it.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
But anyway, so let's get started with ceede.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Lamb and the Cowboys still no extension, but Ceedee Lamb
is dipping into the bag of tricks where when you're
desperate you.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Go on social media and do something.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Ceedee Lamb posted a cryptic picture on Instagram that got
fans talking.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
It was a still shot of Toby Maguire.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
From Spider Man in the black Spider Man suit when
he became a villain.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh, becoming a villain.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
This is what he's being reduced to.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
He's not getting his money, so now he's angry and
he's gonna go as a.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Kid, say, hey, you know, like I don't know, the
Toby Maguire Spider Man days were not terrible. I thought
they were okay. Correct him going villain? Like you think
Jerry Jones cares about this?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I told Jado, I think this is the beginning of
the erosion of the Cowboys and this is just another
part of it. I think it's I was looking at
the Denver Broncos because you and I have no life
when it comes to football. I was watching the bow
Nick stuff yesterday and looking at the Broncos depth chart.
Their number four receiver is Tim Patrick. Tim Patrick would
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if Ceedee Lamb wasn't available for the opener. Tim Patrick
would be the number one receiver for Dallas. Tim Patrick
is an undrafted pro who's he's a very good player.
He's denverse four. Like I'm telling you, As receivers have
become more important, Dallas got one, dude, They got one guy.
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But I trust so you Beaver pay him.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
It's two ways to look at this column. Everybody and
their mom is saying, sell the Cowboys. The run is over.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
It's done.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
CD and McCarthy and deck Sky's falling in Dallas.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
They're favored in thirteen games.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Again, you always say that that's today, right, Dallas gets
whacked in Game one without CD. They're favored in eight games.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
But they're projecting based on the power ratings of the
Cowboys coming into the season, and the market says this
is still a good team. It's not over because of
the noise around Dak and McCarthy and CD.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Lamb, somebody's gonna be right.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
The unwashed masses who were out here saying Dallas sting
six wins, or the guys who built casinos in the desert.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I don't think they stink, but I think Zimmer and
Mike McCarthy are capable dak obviously wins a lot of games, don't.
They're not falling into distinct category. But they won twelve
to twelve twelve. This is not a twelve win team
and an improving, young, dynamic NFC. I've said this the
last several years. The Eaton was good in the NFC,
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Aaron left the conference. I mean seriously, Rams were gonna rebuild.
The Niners missed on a quarterback, you know, like there
were Detroit was good but wasn't right mature enough. Green
Bay Aaron left, is just a bunch of kids. Well,
green Bay now is excellent, Detroit is now excellent, Rock
Purty can play. Rams are not in the rebuild. So
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it's like the last couple of years, you know, timing's
everything the last couple of years. Like I said this
with the Kansas City Chiefs, last year was the way
to beat the Chiefs. The receiving core was awful. They
couldn't blow anybody out, and Buffalo didn't and Baltimore didn't.
Last year was the year to get them. If Worthy
hits and Rashi Rice comes back, now they have the
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semblance of a good receiving corps. The last couple of
years in the NFC Chicago was unwatchable. Oh, now they
have Caleb d c was a mess. They've replaced everybody.
Rams now are stacked.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
So perhaps that was too harsh with the word stink.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
What if they've sagged eight wins eight and nine missed
the place?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think the Cowboys feel like to me, a nine
ish win team.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Nine and no playoffs. And you can be sure Dak
and McCarthy are gone, right.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
You can be Carthy is gone, not Dak. No, Dak
won't take the heat for it. Jerry, you can don't
fire quarterbacks. Dak's getting his money. It's gonna be Mike McCarthy.
And and for the record, I would hire Mike McCarthy.
There's a lot of coaches not as good as Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
If you give Dak fifty five million, you think you
think anyone's gonna want to come.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Coach at Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (24:23):
They gay Dak fifty five to sixty sixty, Well, they're
not getting Bill Belichick, they're not getting Deion Sanders.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I don't think people realize you're gonna have to pay
CD lamb. They're trapped. They are trapped. And by the way,
you know Dak who wants to contract. The McCarthy who
wants an extension. They're banging the table for CD. Those
guys are going into Jerry saying, Pam, so CD is
gonna sign a huge deal. It's gonna be thirty million
dollars a year. I Micah could be the odd guy
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out because they're gonna pay Dak as well.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
So you know, Dak load of picks for me.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It matters a lot if your contract was up, it
would matter that certain people in the holding banged on
the table for you. Right, That always helps the situation.
I got news for you. Dak and McCarthy are banging
the table behind closed doors for Ceedee Lamb because they
know this offense is a bottom six offense in the league.
Without him, there's no deep threat. No, what do you
have to double?
Speaker 5 (25:14):
So Jones did not plan for this with the quarterback.
I mean he got Trey Lance as if he's like
the successor to Dak.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He's not right, we would agree.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Yeah, so this is not an attractive job.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
If Dak Prescott's making sixty mil, I'm sorry, Dak Dallas
is not an attractive job.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It's not as attractive. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Okay, let's go on to Justin Herbert. Great news for
the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Justin Herbert back at practice yesterday after missing three weeks
with injured injured plantar fascia in his right foot.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Herbert doesn't have a ton of time to get.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Up to speed with the new offense, but Harbass spoke
about how great it was to finally have his QB
back on the field.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Great.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
Great, It felt like the music should be playing. I thought,
I felt, I thought I heard music.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Okay, how much of a some our ow boots or
excibe into that for the entire teams.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
I was excited and they would be excited to. I
don't know if they heard the angels singing like I did.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Hey min I, he's so much happier now, I mean,
just he is just so much happier. He's got his
national championship, He's got his quarterback. You know, there was
always an edge to him. He's edging, he's aging very great.
So the La media is a little softer than the
college foot well. I also think I also think he
walked into a building where he's not battling the GM
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like San Francisco. He's not battling the a D, which
it felt like at one point he was at Michigan
like Dean Spanos is behind him. The quarterback is low
maintenance and loves him. Like it's nice to walk into
a bilage. So what I've said about the Washington commanders,
it's nice to walk into a workplace and everybody Day
one is everybody's day one. There's not the old Krusty
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in the corner that's got favorites. Like that Charger building
is pro Jim. They're gonna let him call. He gets
to pick the GM, he's gonna be in card charge
of personnel, he gets to pick the coordinators. It is
a pro Jim building. Now, Sean mcgivey came in and
he had to earn that, and he did. Jim got that.
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He was handed that. The Spanos family is like, it's
your building. We're here for you. So it's you can
tell he feels very supported in that building. And should
they just need another receiver.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
That Raiders game in the opener is sneaky. I think
it probably cracks my top six games Week one. There's
just so listen. I looked at the Raiders yesterday. I
think I told you this, Antonio.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Pierce has something I don't know exactly what it is.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I don't know what Minchu can do, but this idea
that the Raiders when they come to SOFI in Week
one are not going to have at least fifty to
fifty audience, right, you know in Sofi.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
The road team usually thinks. I don't think home field
advantage means what it used to because of the headsets
they have. Vegas now says that home field advantage is
a point and a half. For the years it was
three three so and I don't think so far is
maybe not even a point and a half. I think
green Bay in a Sunday night feels like it's still
worth the field goal. Well, but I don't think I
think Philadelphia on a Sunday night. I think I do
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think there are stadiums that just I mean, green Bay
is almost like Alabama. It's like it's it's a collegiate
feel to it. But I've seen Aaron lose big games there.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Yeah, but valuable Raiders last year went to KC and
one on Christmas and nearly beat Miami in Miami, a
pretty good game.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
That had the head sets in the helmets has changed
all the audible problems for years, so home field. Again.
It's something, but it's not as much as you know.
I watched Baltimore at home blowing people out going to
the playoffs, and that crowd was Crickets Baltimore crowds, one
of the loudest in the years.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Lome took me down the field for a touchdown opening
drives Crickets lights out.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Final story.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
We want to tee you up for a big softball here,
nice meat fall. Jayden Daniels officially Week one starter for
the Commanders. Obviously everybody knew this was coming. Dan Quinn
officially made the move yesterday.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Oh look at that ball. Look at that ball. It's
got sonar beautiful. That thing is beautiful.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Tucking run a little je shades of RG three there.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Oh my god, he's a better thrower, he's more ready
to go RG.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
I mean he's twenty three years old. I think he's
gonna be twenty four at December.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
And by the way, bow Knicks twenty four. This kid
turning twenty four. Donald came in, he was twenty one.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Twenty one.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, I mean a lot of these guys like Drake
May is twenty one years old. Bow Knicks is twenty four.
If you don't think that's an advantage or nuts. I
mean Sam Darnold, Kenny Pickett's already twenty six, he couldn't play,
But I mean Jaden Daniels and bow Knicks. There is
a big gap. Trust me as a parent. There's a
big gap between a twenty one year old and a
twenty four year old male. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
By the way, Brock Perdy, who's started for a year
and a half in the NFL, he's only twenty four
years old. Like that's it. He's a very young guy.
These quarterbacks coming in now huge, So I don't know.
You're starting to talk me into Washington is like a
no interesticy surprise.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well you've been you've been flailing, I went.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I just don't see it too much. Newness a new
left tackle as well. We talked about it, new owner,
new OC, new head coach, quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
But if the coach was bad and the GM was
bad and the owner was bad, new isn't annex.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
I gotta get like seven different new people in the
building on the same page.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You know, Martha, you you're using it. You're using new
as a pejorative. I look at it and I think
to myself, I started a company h Everything was new,
but it's fresh and it's fun and it's optimistic. When
the Rams came to Los Angeles, it was all new.
They were great the first year. It was fresh. When
you're replacing beaten down old, losing new is the answer.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Well McVeigh was new and a young coach, but goth
had already been there. Like, I'm just well, next time
you get an NFL coach on your ask new owner,
new head coach, new OC, new rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No Jimmy Johnson, tackle jim Jimmy Johnson told me the
most freedom he ever had in Dallas was his first
two years with Jerry Jones because Jerry was trying to
get the business upright. It got worse over time because
Jerry then's like, hey, this is my toy. I got
money coming in. Jimmy oh has said the first couple
of years, Jerry was on the other side of the building.
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He never saw him, and Jimmy was the new coach
and he was allowed to completely. So yeah, I mean,
I I.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
That could be the case for Quid.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We'll see. I'm I'm a taking him over Dallas as
the division. I'm taking Washington over Dallas. I am Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
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Speaker 1 (31:41):
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in early that's going to be an early that could
be an October celebration. Buy some jet skis for the
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Speaker 1 (32:42):
So this is something that we talked about a week
ago and two weeks ago, and now it has come
to fruition. I told you a couple of weeks ago
you're going to see college football programs hiring general managers
just like the NFL. Alabama did it yesterday, Courtney Morgan,
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he is now basically USC was looking for him. Alabama
got into a bidding war Alabama one. You're going to
see former NFL general manager Scott Boly types, those kind
of people taking general manager jobs in college So this
is another step toward college football looking more like the NFL. Secondly,
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conference realignment is going to look more like the NFL
the AFC. In the NFC, the Big Ten and the
SEC are going to have the overwhelming majority of the
good teams. But with a twelve team playoff, which in
my opinion, will expand of fourteen, you'll still get your
Utahs in, You'll still get a couple of acc Big twelve.
You'll be fine. But between the new general managers in
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college football and the conference realignment it's going to feel
more like the NFL. And I'm okay with it because
college football has been a tribal, regional mismanage mess by
entire life and TV networks finally said, guys will handle it.
You can't. They can't get their schedules even. I mean,
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think about this eight billion dollar a year business. The
NCAA didn't have a president of football, they didn't have
a schedule maker. It's a mess. It's uneven, it's unfair.
I mean, the coaches basically can say I want to
buy here, I want Troy State here. He can't do
it like that. So and college athletic directors and college
football coaches are simply not equipped to be able to
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manage their rosters. When you're paying players, you do not
want high school running backs getting into with agents bidding
and talking to Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day on the
phone negotiating contracts. So it reminds me. College football has
reminded me a little bit like for years of Shark Tank,
(34:54):
the TV show where you've got you know, pretty good product,
yeah good products. You have good idea and you just
don't have the capital or the management or the trajectory
that you really should. And so I don't mind college
baseball being college baseball or college hockey. There's no money
in revenue. College football is a zillion dollar business, and
Networks finally said get your act together. Oh you can't,
(35:18):
we'll take it over. So this general manager this, and
for the record, I think it's good for the sport.
I don't think ads are equipped to handle this stuff.
I mean, Mike Gundhy this week, it's just sideways. Here's
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma States coach, on nil this week. He's
about he's at wits end.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
There's no negotiating now. Portals over all negotiations history. Now
we're playing football.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
You know.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
The business side of what we do now is is
we have to have those conversations with them, you know,
tell your agent quick hollingists and asking for Mawani. It's
non negotiable.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Now start to get in December.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
So now we're able to direct ourselves just at football,
and that part is fun.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, So it's just kind of un The coaches aren't
equipped to deal with it. They don't want to deal
with the agents bringing GM in. They do the work.
So here's another thing on that. Brian floores to a
story that led the show, and if you're just tuning in, basically,
Tua came out and said, you know, you had this
terrible person, Brian Flores dog cussing me every day from
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New England, where it was okay to dog cuss the
greatest quarterback of all time. Brian Flores watches that and
then he goes down to Miami and he just treats
I mean, let's be honest, he treated to a like crap.
You don't have to love toua. You can bene to it.
That's different. Not everybody loves me, right, I get that.
But to humiliate somebody in front of the team that
worked with Brady. It wouldn't have worked with Peyton Manning.
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You're not gonna deal with that. It wouldn't work with
Aaron Rodgers, You're not gonna deal with that, or Brett
favre It worked with Brady and that's part of his greatness.
It may work a little with Mahomes Andy Reid can
do that. But this is the thing I think about
that situation. So there's a story that came out when
he was playing at USC Caleb Williams made about ten
million dollars at US see. And this is why the
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Belichick guys and Brian Flores, it's a cautionary tale be
very careful hiring them. Is that these new college quarterbacks,
these stars they're coming in, they're richer than the staff.
They're certainly richer than the position coaches. Many are going
to be richer than the coordinators. And if you're a
rookie coach Matt Eberflus who's got a family, who's got mortgages,
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Caleb could have more money than him. So the idea
of just dog Custner kid and debasing him, those days
are over. Those days are over now. I don't think.
I think there's a new trend that I've seen over
the last seven to eight years with Shanahan McVeigh, Kevin O'Connell,
Zach Taylor. You can be stern. You know, Andy and
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Sean Payton are a little old school, but they still
their quarterbacks loved them. I mean, Breeze and Peyton were
like best friends. Mahomes and Andy Reid incredibly tight. So
there's just a way to do it. But I think
what you're seeing in college football now for the Caleb
Williams kid, Carson Beck coming out of Georgia. Carson Beck's
making millions of dollars. You're not as desperate as you
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used to be. The old hey kid, You're stuck with
me and I'm not gonna work anymore. And the truth
is in the NBA, we kind of even understand that
as Spolstra, Steve Kerr a Popovich to some degree, you
got to coddle stars a little bit. But that's because
one or two players can be the difference. In the NBA,
where a quarterback if he has a bad left tackle,
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a bad coordinator. I mean Mahomes got blown out in
the Super Bowl. He didn't have his tackles. It's always
been more collaborative than the NBA. Lebron's gonna win everywhere.
You could have j R. Smith and Matthew Delavadova, he
could have Shane Battier and an old Ray All in
his prime, Lebron was getting into the finals. But I
do think the story's on Caleb William and nothing against
Matt Eberflus, but he has to be collaborative with Caleb.
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Caleb is not walking in here desperate, you know, Caleb.
After this contract, Caleb's net worth is over forty fifty
million bucks he's gonna have if he starts out four
and one, you're gonna have shoe deals lined up, Gatorade company,
you know, big Fortune, five hundred companies lined up. So
it's just a different day. By the way, there's good
and bad about the NIL for the NFL. The bad
(39:18):
is the harsh coaching with quarterbacks. I don't know if
that's gonna play as much as it used to. Here's
a good side of the NIL as the NFL sees it.
I was thinking about this the other day. A kid, now,
a great high school player, gets paid and let's say
it blows through the money. He's eighteen years old. Then
he goes to college. He gets paid by Georgia, Oregon,
Ohio State. He's more responsible with his money, but he
(39:41):
still doesn't really know it. The NFL will not be
the first person to pay the player. He has more
acumen financially, he's dealt with money. In high school, he
was his richest friend peer, he was in his peer group.
He was the richest. In college, he was the richest.
You know, a lot of these athletes in the NFL.
First time they get money, they just don't know. You
don't blame the kid they just don't know what to
(40:02):
do with it. By the time a lot of these
stars get to the NFL, it's their third big check,
third time they've been the richest guy in their peer group.
So I think you're going to have fewer of these
sad stories about guys blowing through their money. Guys are
coming into the NFL. A they've got more power, but
B they have more understanding how to invest their money,
(40:24):
handle their money, and I think that's good for the NFL.
That's always been a bad look for leagues when you
hear these stories about kids, what do they know what
to do with money?
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