July 10, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin reflects on his time off and explains why sports are great and politics can be so frustrating
People are overreacting to Bronny James being drafted by the Lakers
His thoughts on Klay Thompson leaving the Warriors to play for the Mavericks
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, welcome back. It is great to have you in
live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. First of all, tip of
the cap. Thank you Danny Parkins. Ashley Brewer filled in
last couple of days. Totally appreciate that. Jordan Schultz filling
in for jmackrest of the week. How are things my
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man doing great? Not as good as Rhode Island, though
Rhode Island was wonderful, but it is good to be back.
And it got me thinking I would have every day
to myself in the mornings, I'd go take the new
dog go out, and it got me thinking about why
I love sports and talking to a lot of people
in Rhode Island. One of the things I was listening
to Sports Radio in Boston for a couple of days.
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One of the things I love about sports the pressure,
the adult conversations. It's not too mean to talk about
somebody's age. There's a lot of pressure and you gotta
win now. I was thinking outside of Andy Reid, Sean McVeigh,
Jim Harbaugh, and Matt Lafleur, four coaches in the entire sport.
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If any other coach had a bad season, they're in
big trouble. Kyle Shanahan has a losing record. Without Christian McCaffrey,
that roster go seven to ten. You don't think there's
heat on Kyle Shanahan. What about John Harbaugh? They wanted
to run him out of town three years ago. You
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think they finished third or fourth in that division. There's
not heat even the rookie coaches. You get off to
a bad start by Thanksgiving, Oh we got the wrong guy.
You can even make the criticism in sports personal. Pete Carroll,
though he has the energy of a seventeen year old
after a bag of skittles, you know he is in
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his seventies. That's an adult conversation. Not a lot of
coaches got into their seventies and were at their best
Bill Belichick six rings, even named a vote after it.
He feels a bit like a dinosaur. You can have
those conversations. Brian Dable not only got Daniel Jones of
the playoffs, he won a game with Daniel Jolones. You
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want a game he goes six and eleven, he probably
gets fired, and I think he's a great coach. That's
what's great about sports. That's not the downside. Five of
the last eight NBA Coaches of the Year got fired
from the team they won the award. Expectations adult conversations
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when now you're paid a lot. Yet in the Democratic
Party it's considered agist, harsh, mean to have discussions about
Joe Biden's age, his mental acuity. I don't know. It
feels like the president's a fairly important job. I read
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that people were cut off guard by his regression. You
don't have iPhones, grow up, have a real conversation. People
are having conversations and questioning it four years ago. But
in politics, I'm uncomfortable. Not in sports. Not in sports.
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Dak Prescott, you make Patrick Mahomes money, win more when
it counts. I love Lamar Jackson. Another stinker in the playoffs.
Time for real heat. Sean McDermott keeps winning his division.
I'm sorry, Josh Allen's too good not to end up
in Super Bowls. Those aren't the downsides to it. It's
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why I defended vigorously the Angel Reese Caitlin Clark discussions.
The girls could handle it. The women were fine. It
was all the fragile sports media asking weird, dorky questions
and being uncomfortable with it. The women were great. Caitlin's
going to be fine. Angel Reese is crushing it, and
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you should push back on fragile sports media if they're
outraged by things that are happening to everybody. I enjoy
politics every four years, but the reason I love sports
is accountability and adult conversations and debate at home on
a show in a bar, real people talking about real things,
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pressurized situations. Don't let sports become politics again. Five of
the last eight NBA head coaches Gonzo, we want more,
Dak Prescott. Yes, you win twelve games a year, just
none when it matters. So that's my takeaway. Seventeen days
off sports has some politics in it. Let's never let
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it become politics. I like what it is now and
sometimes it's harsh and tough and almost mean and a
little rude, and we debate sometimes over a beer and
what I love about sports and what drives me crazy
about politics. I'm sorry for the last four years. I
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don't watch a lot of TikTok, but I either have
singing goats or Joe Biden gaffs. It's okay to talk
about it. Really, the democracy thing, it's kind of important.
The other thing that was notable to me, And I
don't know why it gets people worked up, but man,
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unless they had a half dozen people ask me about this,
they were talking about it coast to coast on sports radio. Colin,
what do you make a Brownie James being drafted? I
don't know. Isn't it kind of an understanding in America?
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You do me well, I owe you a solid that's
like a given right. I take you to the airport
you're buying the next dinner. I help you move, I
get a little something something back like that's the American way.
Lebron James has carried the NBA for twenty years. He
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didn't have a long playoff run this year. Did you
see the NBA ratings as every other sport WNBA COPA Euros,
college football, up up, up, up up. NBA ratings, ew
tank no Lebron. He carried the Lakers, not a well
run franchise for six years, got him a title, number
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one brand in the league. Carried the Cabs for eleven years.
They've never mattered except when he played there. Got him
a title. You owe me dinner, if I help you move,
if I carry your sport, get you a new TV
contract worth seven billion. You got a problem with Bronnie
James getting drafted by the Lakers. It's the weakest NBA
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draft and maybe ever. In fact, what's funny is the
Milwaukee Bucks thirty picks earlier drafted a kid out of
Australia that played eight minutes a game in Australia and
average less than BROWNI. It shows how polarizing Lebron James is.
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I had more people ask me about that on the
East Coast and the takeaway is you're really bothered by it.
Let me ask you this. Let's say you've done well
in your life and you have a favorite steakhouse in
your small, middle size or big town, and you go
to that steakhouse or the Aposta joint and you buy
a lot of wine. For years. You spend a lot
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of money at that steakhouse. You know what I mean.
You've taken a lot of business dinners at that steakhouse.
You didn't have to, You chose to, don't you. After
a few years, feel like you get a little better
poor on that pino, Maybe get you a better table.
Damn straight, you do, and so do I. We all
have expectations, we seek favors. We all get a little
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entitled if we give you something. Lebron James has carried
the league for twenty years. He and Steph Curry have
carried the league. Neither made a playoff run this year.
Ratings went to the tank as everything else is. The
COPA and the Euros are going through the roof NBA
with a lot of good players. Global Sport tanked No Lebron,
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no Steph. Yeah, I'm okay. In the weakest draft ever,
the Lakers going, we'll do you solid in the five
previous years before Lebron got to the Lakers. I could
be wrong on this. I think that the worst record
in the league. They were a circus. They were leaking everywhere.
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He won him a title, got him to another Western
Conference finals in the weakest draft ever his son, who
by the way, I think his son's a G leaguer.
I think at best he's a low end rotational player.
But this draft was horrible. After the thirty sixth or
thirty seventh pick, you can argue it's a G league draft.
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I'm not losing sleep over it, and nor should you.
Here was Lebron on the selection.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Now, let's say it's a dream come true for me
see my son to be able to you know, be
in an NBA loan, and then it's always been a
dream of his and for us to be a side
by side.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
It's a lot of wards of lost piatus.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I don't know many kid has worked so hard to
get back to this point. There's just so much has
happened over the last year with him. To have this
happen less than a year from his incident, to be
with our friends and our family when he announced his name,
it was something that was super surreal.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
By the way, how many sons who aren't qualified or
at minimum aren't the best candidate end up on their
father's staffs in the NFL or college. Nobody gets too
worked up over that. There's other far more qualified candidates
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I think it's something about America that it's understood, and
I'm okay with it. You do me as solid. I
got dinner, you help me move. Maybe I'm going through
a tough time emotionally and you're there for me. I
owe you. I mean, how many owners take over for
their parents that actually live up to expectations. Not many
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will start with that. Don't get worked up over it.
It's the world we live in. Inspect your own life,
put a microscop on it, and if you really thought
about the things you expect after you help others at
a favorite restaurant, we all do it. It's okay. It's
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not worth losing fifteen minutes of sleepover all right. We
got all sorts of stuff. Klay Thompson that got very
touchy feely. The Yankees are a mess. The NFC, I
thinks better than people think. And there were two NBA
agent moves I wasn't here. One I thought was stupendous,
better than every other move, and one loss I think
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really will be punitive for a team. So we'll talk
about that. Jordan schultzon today, j Max somewhere in the world,
he's abroad. I believe it's great to be back. Hoped,
hope to have you interested here for the next several hours.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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one and the iHeartRadio app. Welcome back. Everybody got in
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their fields. Klay Thompson leaving the Warriors, and as I
watched it, I thought to myself, this was not a
shocking separation. This was not You and your wife are
married for eighteen years, great family, kids going into high school,
and she leaves you a note, she's gone. That's not
what this was. This was you were already sleeping in
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separate bedrooms, you'd been in counseling for six years, and
it was a dignified separation and divorce. And that's okay.
New CBA older player passed his prime. Really expensive, tough choices.
I've seen him before, We'll see it again. The Warriors
publicly almost apologize for the move. I get it. He's beloved,
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he's part of history and the Splash Brothers. But the
truth is, and this goes for a lot of people
and a lot of professions, Clay's going to a better team,
an ascending team. He's a very shy kid. He won't
be the star or even the number two. He won't
be the young ascending player or the star in their prime.
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It's actually a perfect spot for Klay Thompson, who at
this point in his career is preferably the fourth best
player on a championship team, maybe the third. He still
does have some really good nights, but he is like
a Derek White, but doesn't defend like that for the Celtics.
He doesn't defend like Derek anymore. At one point he
did maybe even better. And all of this is okay.
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This goes back to my opening rant, real tough decisions.
We all saw this coming for a year. I think
people would be surprised how often that move that you're
uncomfortable making. Six months later you're like, I could have
done this two years ago. Here's Steve Kerr on Clay
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Thompson's exit from Golden State and entrance to the Mavericks.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Sometimes in life we all need a shift, We need,
you know, just of press start whatever it is, you
know what, no matter what profession you're in, sometimes you
just need a change, and I think you know that's
that's it. It's never easy when these things start to
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run out. But the biggest thing is the relationships, endure,
the memories and door. You know, Clay is going to
have a statue outside Chase someday He'll be be loved
to his teammates and coaches and our fans.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, he is a warrior forever. Marcus Thompson, you can
look it up, has a great article on this. It'll
get into your fields. But I remember when I started
watching the NBA in the early seventies. It's the first
sport I can really remember watching. And there was a
back court of Jerry West and Gail Goodrich, the late
Jerry West and Gale Goodrich. Goodrich number twenty five, smaller
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guard ucla real score and it was like the back court.
There was also Walt Fraser and Earl Monroe in New York.
I didn't feel they were as prodigious, maybe offensive scoring.
I thought Jerry West was the best of all four
of those guards. And then there were the Splash Brothers,
the greatest shooting backcourt of all time at one point.
Klay Thompson was also an elite defender both ends of
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the floor. You'll get a statue you made a fortune.
But the new CBA makes this really punitive. Here's Clay
Thompson a little uncomfortable on moving to Dallas.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
I'm very grateful for my time at Golden State, but
I just felt like, you know, moving on could just
re energize me and do something special for the rest
of my career. Sometimes, you know, breakups are necessary to
do what's right. And when I was watching the playoffs
and I'm watching the mass you know, make a run
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for the championship, I just saw myself fitting in really
well with this team and the personnel, and they look
like they have fun playing with each other, and they
play for each other, and that was very attractive for me,
and that's really all I needed to see. And there's
mutual interest there and that's why I'm here.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
By the way, he's a perfect fit for them because
both Kyrie and Luca can be a little ball dominant,
and Clay is a perfect catch and shoot player. So
Nico Harrison, very sharp guy running the Mavericks, literally finds
an aged but a perfect player. Luca's in the prime,
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he's the star. Kyrie's out of it but still dangerous.
Clay doesn't need the ball, He'll get your points, catch
and shoot. Perfect fit. His second chapter. My guess is
will be a really good one. Here's Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, no turn on the news. This is the headline news,
all right.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Colin Tua Tongue of Ailoa and the Dolphins have yet
to reach a long term extension, but reports indicate the
two sides have remained in consistent contract talks since last month.
The report also adds that Bothtua and Miami are taking
a very amical approach and things don't look like they'll
go south. Colin, I don't understand it, because if you're
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really considering who the Dolphins are, what the reality is.
They have been searching for a franchise quarterback since Dan Marino,
the guy retired twenty five years ago. The Dolphins have
not won a playoff game since two thousand. You're staring
at your franchise cornerstone, who's twenty six years old, right
in front of you. What is the hold up? He's
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a model citizen. He led the NFL in passing yards
last year. He's a pro bowler. What are they waiting for?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I think a lot of it is he feels very
weather vulnerable. You're not going to get him cold when
he if you look at the best teams in the AFC,
Kansas City, outside Baltimore, outside Cincinnati, outside Buffalo, outside you're
going to be playing in late January up north potentially,
and he is a weather restricted quarterback. I think they
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want to keep it. And I think it's the same
thing with Dallas and Kirk Cousins in Minnesota for years.
They want to keep him. It's a numbers game with Mahomes.
With Josh Allen, you're gonna lose. They're gonna get what
they want to get. Lebron in his prime, you're gonna
get what you want to get. But in the NFL
there's a big difference between forty eight and fifty nine,
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and so I think they want him, But there are
realities with his game. If you are looking around corners,
Josh Allen's in his prime, Mahomes in his prime, Verol
of Healthy in his Labar in his Prount has a
lot of cold weather teams in January, and this is
a guy that doesn't throw the ball in windy weather.
Especially well.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I'm not saying that he's Dan Marino, no, but he
is to me the perfect instrument for Mike McDaniel, and
I think he's still getting better. He's an ascending player.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, that's what he is. He's a perfect well. I mean,
he's very much Drew Brees who was coming out of college.
Drew was perfect for Sean Payton's mind. And I think
the difference is Brees had one major injury early, but
I don't feel like he had a history of injuries,
and I think that's the concern with too. I think
the Dolphins want to sign him, but they want to
be protected if he goes south physically.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Fair enough, speaking of quarterbacks looking for a new deal,
you just mentioned Dallas, Dak Prescott is still waiting on
a long term extension calling from the Cowboys. We most
recently saw him in a walking boot around the fourth
of July, which caused a lot of concern amongst the media.
Here's what Dak had to say about it.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Honestly, I'm getting older. It's the same ankle right that
that that I snapped and had a nasty surgeon on
four years ago. So yeah, a couple of hard days
of training, and you know, you get a little sore,
and then you're going on a fishing trip and you
want to protect it and and make sure that things
don't get worse. So literally, it is absolutely not that.
That's why, Uh the people people are reaching trying to
make things that they aren't. I'm getting older, have to
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take care of my body, have to be smart, and
if I can take precautions and lessening something about putting.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
On a boot, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And so sorry that, uh it calls such a wardlin. Yeah, well,
I mean listening to the coach of the Dallas Cowboys
of a picture like that, we're showing our TV audience
comes out, no people are going to react to it.
That's the If you're a Yankee shortstop or a Laker
guard or a you know, Notre Dame quarterback or Dak
Prescott and you're in a walking boot before camp, shocker,
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it's gonna be a story.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
He also does have the leverage. He's a no trade clause. Yeah,
he just saw that, and also a no tag clause,
and he just saw that. Kirk Cousins at thirty five
coming off of torn Achilles, got one hundred and eighty
five million dollars, So he knows the worst case scenario
for him really is to play it out and get
paid next year as a thirty one year old Corps.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I've said this, I'm I'm not hyper critical of Dak.
I would pay him. I'm just not going to pay
him fifty eight. I'm not saying what's a number, and
he's going to get more than this. But I think
when you look at Dak and Tua, you've had some
injuries that have mounted. I think the numbers in the forties.
You know, Jared Goff never gets injured.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
He got two twelve or four.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, And and Jared throws a better ball than Dak,
is healthier than both, doesn't move as well as Dak,
but moves about like Tua and yeah, and everybody pushed
back on Goff, and I think Goff is a better
thrower of the football, bigger, healthier than Dak and Tua.
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So I Goff is somebody that if you have to
pay in the fives, that's the first number. I'm more
comfortable with that. It gets so much pushback on him.
But Dak's had some injuries now, and he has struggled
in January two, has a history of injuries, albeit healthy
last year, and we see he's weather restricted. So it's
it's to me, I the new reality is you're paying
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closer to sixty with the great quarterbacks. But it's not
that these teams don't like their player. It's like it's
a numbers game. It's a math equation at this point.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well, they also Micah. They also have Ceedee Lamb and
if you're thinking about Detroit, they have set up goth
much better in terms of the offensive line, the running game.
Billy Dallas has Seule Gibbs a mon Roe.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
By the way, the Dalphins and the Cowboys are both
finger crossers on the old line. Detroit's got easily the
best O line in.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
The Dallas just lost their center as well as Tyron
Smith as potential Hall of famers, So there's a lot
there in terms of the weaknesses of that offensive line. Uh,
the Vikings call and made the decision to let Kirk
Cousins walk this offseason and instead made Justin Jefferson the
league's highest paid receiver, and in appearance on The Rich
Eyes and Show, Jefferson addrest whether he was prize my
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cousins departure to a land.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
Always knew, you know, Kirk, you know, was going to
do whatever he needs to do for for you know,
his business wise, and I just knew that, you know,
everything just wasn't you know, the way he wanted it
to be here. I'm not mad at him at all
of that. I'm grateful for what he has brought to me,
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and you know the things that we have accomplished together. Well,
you know, at the end of the day, is a business.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So Sam Donald your guy. You love Sammy, I do
JJ McCarthy. So let's assume that Donald is the QB
one to start the season. Maybe McCarthy plays at some point,
But whether or not you like Kirk Cousins is almost
a material when you consider that all of Jefferson's success,
Jordan Addison, a lot of t. J. Hawkinson's comes from
Kirk Cousins under center.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah. By the way, I ran into Sam Donald out east,
looks healthy, ready to go, fired up in Minnesota to Yeah,
I mean I very infrequently has Minnesota been a mess.
I tend to think they're smartly owned, well coached. Even
coaches like Mike Zimmer who got let Go I thought
were really good coaches. It shows you the value of
quarterback in this league. That they're over and under is
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like six. I could make an argument elite offensive talent.
They have the best receiver in the game, the second
best offensive tackle, a top five tight end, one of
the ascending stars at running back, and one the Sean
the tall Sean mcvaatt coach. I tell you last year
everybody had the Rams as a rebuild, a five or
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six wins and they made the playoffs. If you told
me there was a team in the NFL that you
look up and they're like eight and four through twelve,
it's an offensive league. I love their coach. They're left tackle,
they're running back, they're O lines better, they're tight end,
their star receiver. They even have Jordan Aison a two.
And there's not a great defense in their division. Chicago's
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could be, but Green Bay and Detroit don't have great defenses.
If there's a team in the league that Vegas missed,
Vegas missed on the Rams last year. If there's a
team there missigon, it's Denver in the AFC I think
is more than capable of winning nine games, and it's
Minnesota in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
See, the pushback would be Donald hasn't really been ever
been that guy. Yeah, and the division is still really good.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
But Kyle Shanahan and this head coach, two of the
four or five smartest coaches in the league offensively, both
really like Sam Donald. It's a pretty good indication you like.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Sam Donald until he has to play a full season
and really show it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
That's your guy. If it's ever gonna happen for Sam's.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Good, this is this year.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
No, it'd be no excuses.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, you can make.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Arguments about the Jets and Adam Gase and Carolinas lack
of vite. If Sam can't win games here, it's on Sam.
There's no great defenses outside of perhaps Chicago in that division,
So he'll get six divisional games four of the game
or against at best average defenses.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Okay, I like it. Let's go to Team USA Basketball Colin,
where we had some breaking news ahead of tonight's matchup
with Canada on FS one. Soouncer on your reports that
Kawhi Leonard is withdrawing from the Olympic roster. Yeah, and
will be replaced. Multi reports indicate that Celtics card Derek
White will replace him.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Oh, I love that on the roster. I love that
you like, I would have taken Derek White over him.
I think Derek White's on a short list of the
most underrated players in the league. I think Derek White's
fantastic defense of the floor, willing teammate, great defender can
get buckets. Yeah, I mean the Kawhi Leonard thing. I
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just do not understand this fascination. Well, I mean, you
could be the best Herdline News guy ever. If you're
here only two out of five days a week, at
some point I'm over like, I need you to be
available at my quarterback or my star basketball.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
That's part of the deal being available.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
He also said before because this is an odd story.
Another odd story was when he said, you know, losing
Paul George Tophilly, it doesn't really change my approach. I
don't really understand what the Clippers are doing all definitely
don't understand what Kawhi Leonard is doing when he says yesterday,
I'm looking forward to the Canada game. I'll be ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, and he's now with drawing Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
The you know, it's all these sports except baseball have
salary caps, right, And the feeling with salary caps is
you don't want just the richest owners and the biggest
cities to dominate sports never seems to matter. In Milwaukee,
where the Packers are perpetually excellent, the Brewers are in
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first place, and the Bucks will make the playoffs and
maybe contest to get into the finals. Little old Milwaukee,
the town, not the beer. It's so funny about New
York because base falls to sport with no salary cap.
Oh man, what an advantage for New York. They are
six and seventeen the Yankees in their last twenty three games.
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That's the worst in the sport run differential batting average.
They can't hit. They are completely top heavy. Aaron Judge
is great, Juan Soto started the year on fire. He's
come back to earth, and nobody else can consistently hit.
John Carlos Stanton injured. It's a bad baseball team now,
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and it's crazy. I was thinking about this. There are
so many cities right now in America that don't have
New York's power or money ability to lure certain players.
Just pay him more money, especially in baseball. I mean,
in LA, the Dodgers and Rams feel like they're good
every year. In Miami, Dolphins are viable, Hetero is excellent.
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Panthers Philadelphia, Bryce Harper and the Phillies. I think they'll
end up in the World Siri. The Eagles pivot when
things get ugly quick end up in Super Bowls a lot.
I thought the Sixers had an amazing offseason. They're a
playoff team, Warriors, Niners in San Francisco, Avalanche and Nuggets
in Denver. I mean, you start looking Dallas, the MAVs
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a great franchise. The Cowboys say what you want, they
make the playoffs, the MAVs the Stars. And then there's
New York. The last time New York had two teams
that were like championship level. Got to go back, like
twenty four years the Rangers made a Stanley Cup. Wasn't it?
(29:39):
What year with the Super Bowl? The Giants were in
the Super Bowl and had Subway Series.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Right, so Subserars two thousand, ninety four was Rangers win
the Cup.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Rangers lose, Okay, but two thousand was the last year,
right that they had two teams viable championship not the Rangers.
That was ninety four, So just think about that. And
little old Milwaukee has three teams that are all capable
yeah winning, And to me, it all starts at the top.
James Dolan isn't considered a terribly strong owner, although since
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creating the Sphere he seems distracted and the Knicks are
finally well run. The Mara's and Woody Johnson don't seem strong.
Steve Cohen now had a lot of money but gets
pushback Steinbrenner's kids, So you don't have great ownership. The coaches.
I like Brian day Boll, but he's gruffing, intense and
turned some off. Sala's like eighteen and thirty three. You know,
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Tom Thibodeau's good, but he comes with a caution label.
This is a Yankee team. It's hard to explain. They've
lost seventeen or twenty three games outside of Aaron Judge
and kind of one so nobody can hit. Aaron Boone
is considered a little two player friendly. Robert Sala in
the city can't win games.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Player friendly, that's the criticism.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, so it's just incredible. You know, the salary caps
are so the big cities don't dominate. New York has
been a HASMA spill for about twenty five years. This
was supposed to be the breakthrough team. I mean, you're
watching that New York Giants hard knocks. That's not great.
(31:11):
It's actually it's good to watch. Oh, it's good to watch.
It leaves me with a lot of questions about how
they're run. This team should not be this bad. Mark
de Rose is the face of the Major League Baseball Network.
He's going to join us next to talk about what
is wrong with the Yankees. Everything's right with Otani, he's
having a year. What would the Yankees be without Aaron Judge,
(31:34):
who's just remarkable.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
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Speaker 9 (31:41):
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we're the hosts of the award winning Polly and Tony
Foodsco Show.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
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Speaker 9 (31:47):
But instead of us telling you how great we are,
here's how Dan Patrick described us when he came on
our show.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
What are you doing interrupting our promo? Yeah, it wasn't
talking about you. You took those clips totally out of context.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Oh yeah, well, after this promo, I'm gonna take you
out and beat you.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Let me put this into context. Shut up.
Speaker 9 (32:10):
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Show on IoT Radio, Apple podcasts or wherever you get
your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yee, well, attendance is up, game time is down. You
know listen. I would argue that the Major League Baseball
should lower the mound. They did it years ago in
the Bob Gibson era. There's so many dominating pitchers. Now
you're finding teams, you know, show Heyo Tani, Mookie Bets,
Aaron Judges. There's certain guys that are just gonna hit
their all time players. But other than that, Baseball's got
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a lot to be happy with. Mark de Rosa played
in the Biggs for a long time. He is, to me,
the face of the Major League Baseball Network. I've said before,
of all the league networks, major League Baseball Network to
me is the best by far. You hear discussions you
don't hear everywhere else. And so let's let's talk about
the Yankees. Mark, and I appreciate you coming on. They're
a little top heavy. I watched every moment of the
(33:01):
Dodger series and my takeaway is, man, they need Aaron Judge.
They need him to be the catalyst. Aaron Boone is
a friend I know him well. The criticism is he's
too nice to the players, he's not hard enough. Is
it a fair criticism?
Speaker 10 (33:18):
Mark Well, first off, thanks for having me on. All right,
huge fan, I've watched you for a long time to
get into the Yankees. This is why you play one
sixty two right. They came out like gangbusters. Everything that
could go right did go right. Their entire starting rotation
had sub three eras. Yep, you knew at some point
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it was gonna regress to the mean as far as
the offense is concerned. And then I'll get to Boone's point. Yeah,
they are built around Judge and Soto obviously, but Stanton
injury has been huge. Verdugo's taking a step back and
gotten cold. Volti's taking a step back and gotten cold.
They've inserted Ben Rice into the leadoff spot in that lineup,
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so they got an ivy leaguer from Dartmouth leading off,
and then he's covering Soto and Judge and then it kind.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Of falls off a cliff a little bit.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Yeah, their bullpen hasn't been striking anybody out. They might
need to address that with Clay Holmes's recent struggles. But
you know, going back to Aaron Boone. I've known him
for a long time. I think that's probably the toughest
thing for a manager when you first get in there,
like how disciplinary are you going to be? I think
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everything Colin is case by case. There was another day
when Anthony Volpi was running home from third base, didn't
touch home before DJ Lemayhew was tagged out, and I
felt like in that moment that that was a teaching moment.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Right.
Speaker 10 (34:43):
Volpi's been a model citizen since day one of showing up.
He hustles on and off the field. He does everything right.
So that's maybe a put your arm around him and say, hey,
that can't happen. The Trent Grisham play in center field.
I would handle that a little different because it's a
fourth outfielder. It's not a guy adding tremendous value to
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my roster. Maybe you can make a little bit more
of a point to the big boys that hey, if
you're not one of my top tier guys, you gotta
show me a little bit more. I remember, I'm a
huge Cowboy fan, Kylin. I want to take this to
the NFL, but I'm a huge Cowboy fan, and I
remember reading a book and Jimmy Johnson talked about releasing
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a special teams player because he fell asleep in meetings,
and that player asked him what he would do if
Troy Aikman fell asleep, and he said, I'd get him
a pillow in a blanket. I think that's the way
you got to handle it. It's like you carry weight,
you can get away with a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
You know. The best baseball team, in my opinion, we
said this about two months ago, is the Phillies. I
think Bryce Harper is a remarkable player. It is interesting
to watch a show Hey Otani and Aaron Judge of
Bryce Harper, a singular power player, has so much influence
now a lot of this Philly's got like seven all stars,
so it's beyond Bryce Harper. In the times I've seen
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them play and during the course of a baseball season,
I catch innings, I don't catch entire games. I think
Philadelphia is the best team I've seen. Where do you
land with them and your thoughts on Harper?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 10 (36:16):
I think right now they're the best team in baseball.
They have the least amount of flaws. Guys like Matt
Strom and Jeff Hoffman, have stepped up in their bullpen
to give them some wipeout stuff in the back end.
The lineup's as deep as you can possibly take it.
The starting rotation Ranger Suarez got off to that amazing start.
You can make the argument Zach Wheelers the best pitcher
(36:38):
in the National League. Throw in guaranteed consistent Aaron Nola,
Rob Thompson seems like steady Eddie and Dave Dombrowski's been
doing this for a long time, their general manager and president.
He always finds a way to put teams together that
play well together chemistry wise and feed off each other.
So it's not just one guy. Kyle Schwarber is probably
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the chemistry leader in there. But you add in the
Trey Turners, and like you said, Bryce Harper, Real Muto,
and then the young guys stopped Boom Marsh. They all
seem to play a part, so I would agree with you.
I think right now they're the best team.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Mark a final question, let's talk show. Hey O Taani.
I defended him when the allegations came up. I thought
it would be distracting. It's hard enough to be a
player outside of the country, language barriers, enormous pressure, moved
up I five Angels Dodgers instead. He's better than ever.
(37:38):
Are you surprised at the early stories the potential to
be completely distracted? How is he viewed by you and
others at the Baseball Network in the sport?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (37:51):
I think he's viewed by me is the most talented
baseball player of all time?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
I don't think you can deny. I don't think he
can deny it, Colin. I mean, he's a top ten
pitcher when he's right.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Now.
Speaker 10 (38:02):
He'll be coming back from his second elbow surgery, so
that remains to be seen. But even if he pitched
to a number three in a rotation and gave you
like sub four er and made a bunch of starts
with his offense, he's still worth every dime of that
seven hundred million.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
I agree with you.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
Not only all the stuff allegations wise he was dealing
with in the offseason, but the relationship he had with
his translator obviously goes by the wayside. And then you're
moving teams and you're walking into putting on Dodgers where
you have Betts and Freeman already established, and for you
to stand so far ahead of that crazy, It's kind
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of crazy what he's and DH is a full time
DH has never won the MVP, and I sit up
here and you try and find ways to devalue the
fact that he doesn't play the field. And unless Harper
comes back and get and he came back yesterday and
gets extremely hot, or someone does something crazy in the
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second half Mookie comes back, it looks like Shohey is
the favorite right now on paper to win the MVP.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Think about that. Yeah, not pitching pure DH and could
be the MVP. It really is remarking. It does help
the guys batting in front and behind him. We've got
to be honest here. It's a it's a bit of
an all star team. Mark de Rosa, MLB Network does
a sensational job for them. We want to have you
on again. We appreciate it. The attendance is up, the
time is down. I still think they have to look
(39:33):
at lowering the mound at some point. There are so
many guys throwing ninety eight with movement. It is hard
right now. Outside of Judge, Yankees are struggling at the plate. Mark,
I appreciate having you on and love to see you again.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
No thanks for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
You bet yeah. Major League Baseball has raised the mound
and lowered the mound back in the Bob Gibson here
a late sixties, and Bob Gibson was unhittable for long stretches.
They lowered the mound. I think you have so many
great athletes eats, so many guys six ' five throwing downhill,
throwing high nineties, some over one hundred. I think you
have to consider it. Because baseball, the games are shorter.
(40:08):
It's a better television product. It's a better TV product,
but it is very few guys are hitting. I checked
last week, only twelve players are hitting over three hundred
in the sport. So and again, let's solve it like
the game time. They have solved it down to two
thirty five. You watch a baseball game now like it's you.
(40:29):
They fly by, the action's quick, it's fast. They got
to get the offense moving. And I think there's an explanation.
Lower the mound about six inches. Give give hitters a chance.
Aaron Judge and Shoheyo Tani and Milkie bats and Freddie Freeman.
They're going to hit against anybody. But it does feel
like there's some cuicket bats some really quick at bats
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, welcome back. It is great to have you in
live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. First of all, tip of
the cap. Thank you Danny Parkins. Ashley Brewer filled in
last couple of days. Totally appreciate that. Jordan Schultz filling
in for jmackrest of the week. How are things my
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man doing great? Not as good as Rhode Island, though
Rhode Island was wonderful, but it is good to be back.
And it got me thinking I would have every day
to myself in the mornings, I'd go take the new
dog go out, and it got me thinking about why
I love sports and talking to a lot of people
in Rhode Island. One of the things I was listening
to Sports Radio in Boston for a couple of days.
(01:09):
One of the things I love about sports the pressure,
the adult conversations. It's not too mean to talk about
somebody's age. There's a lot of pressure and you gotta
win now. I was thinking outside of Andy Reid, Sean McVeigh,
Jim Harbaugh, and Matt Lafleur, four coaches in the entire sport.
(01:35):
If any other coach had a bad season, they're in
big trouble. Kyle Shanahan has a losing record. Without Christian McCaffrey,
that roster go seven to ten. You don't think there's
heat on Kyle Shanahan. What about John Harbaugh? They wanted
to run him out of town three years ago. You
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think they finished third or fourth in that division. There's
not heat even the rookie coaches. You get off to
a bad start by Thanksgiving, Oh we got the wrong guy.
You can even make the criticism in sports personal. Pete Carroll,
though he has the energy of a seventeen year old
after a bag of skittles, you know he is in
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his seventies. That's an adult conversation. Not a lot of
coaches got into their seventies and were at their best
Bill Belichick six rings, even named a vote after it.
He feels a bit like a dinosaur. You can have
those conversations. Brian Dable not only got Daniel Jones of
the playoffs, he won a game with Daniel Jolones. You
(02:41):
want a game he goes six and eleven, he probably
gets fired, and I think he's a great coach. That's
what's great about sports. That's not the downside. Five of
the last eight NBA Coaches of the Year got fired
from the team they won the award. Expectations adult conversations
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when now you're paid a lot. Yet in the Democratic
Party it's considered agist, harsh, mean to have discussions about
Joe Biden's age, his mental acuity. I don't know. It
feels like the president's a fairly important job. I read
(03:22):
that people were cut off guard by his regression. You
don't have iPhones, grow up, have a real conversation. People
are having conversations and questioning it four years ago. But
in politics, I'm uncomfortable. Not in sports. Not in sports.
(03:45):
Dak Prescott, you make Patrick Mahomes money, win more when
it counts. I love Lamar Jackson. Another stinker in the playoffs.
Time for real heat. Sean McDermott keeps winning his division.
I'm sorry, Josh Allen's too good not to end up
in Super Bowls. Those aren't the downsides to it. It's
(04:07):
why I defended vigorously the Angel Reese Caitlin Clark discussions.
The girls could handle it. The women were fine. It
was all the fragile sports media asking weird, dorky questions
and being uncomfortable with it. The women were great. Caitlin's
going to be fine. Angel Reese is crushing it, and
(04:29):
you should push back on fragile sports media if they're
outraged by things that are happening to everybody. I enjoy
politics every four years, but the reason I love sports
is accountability and adult conversations and debate at home on
a show in a bar, real people talking about real things,
(04:55):
pressurized situations. Don't let sports become politics again. Five of
the last eight NBA head coaches Gonzo, we want more,
Dak Prescott. Yes, you win twelve games a year, just
none when it matters. So that's my takeaway. Seventeen days
off sports has some politics in it. Let's never let
(05:17):
it become politics. I like what it is now and
sometimes it's harsh and tough and almost mean and a
little rude, and we debate sometimes over a beer and
what I love about sports and what drives me crazy
about politics. I'm sorry for the last four years. I
(05:42):
don't watch a lot of TikTok, but I either have
singing goats or Joe Biden gaffs. It's okay to talk
about it. Really, the democracy thing, it's kind of important.
The other thing that was notable to me, And I
don't know why it gets people worked up, but man,
(06:03):
unless they had a half dozen people ask me about this,
they were talking about it coast to coast on sports radio. Colin,
what do you make a Brownie James being drafted? I
don't know. Isn't it kind of an understanding in America?
(06:25):
You do me well, I owe you a solid that's
like a given right. I take you to the airport
you're buying the next dinner. I help you move, I
get a little something something back like that's the American way.
Lebron James has carried the NBA for twenty years. He
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didn't have a long playoff run this year. Did you
see the NBA ratings as every other sport WNBA COPA Euros,
college football, up up, up, up up. NBA ratings, ew
tank no Lebron. He carried the Lakers, not a well
run franchise for six years, got him a title, number
(07:09):
one brand in the league. Carried the Cabs for eleven years.
They've never mattered except when he played there. Got him
a title. You owe me dinner, if I help you move,
if I carry your sport, get you a new TV
contract worth seven billion. You got a problem with Bronnie
James getting drafted by the Lakers. It's the weakest NBA
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draft and maybe ever. In fact, what's funny is the
Milwaukee Bucks thirty picks earlier drafted a kid out of
Australia that played eight minutes a game in Australia and
average less than BROWNI. It shows how polarizing Lebron James is.
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I had more people ask me about that on the
East Coast and the takeaway is you're really bothered by it.
Let me ask you this. Let's say you've done well
in your life and you have a favorite steakhouse in
your small, middle size or big town, and you go
to that steakhouse or the Aposta joint and you buy
a lot of wine. For years. You spend a lot
(08:17):
of money at that steakhouse. You know what I mean.
You've taken a lot of business dinners at that steakhouse.
You didn't have to, You chose to, don't you. After
a few years, feel like you get a little better
poor on that pino, Maybe get you a better table.
Damn straight, you do, and so do I. We all
have expectations, we seek favors. We all get a little
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entitled if we give you something. Lebron James has carried
the league for twenty years. He and Steph Curry have
carried the league. Neither made a playoff run this year.
Ratings went to the tank as everything else is. The
COPA and the Euros are going through the roof NBA
with a lot of good players. Global Sport tanked No Lebron,
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no Steph. Yeah, I'm okay. In the weakest draft ever,
the Lakers going, we'll do you solid in the five
previous years before Lebron got to the Lakers. I could
be wrong on this. I think that the worst record
in the league. They were a circus. They were leaking everywhere.
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He won him a title, got him to another Western
Conference finals in the weakest draft ever his son, who
by the way, I think his son's a G leaguer.
I think at best he's a low end rotational player.
But this draft was horrible. After the thirty sixth or
thirty seventh pick, you can argue it's a G league draft.
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I'm not losing sleep over it, and nor should you.
Here was Lebron on the selection.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Now, let's say it's a dream come true for me
see my son to be able to you know, be
in an NBA loan, and then it's always been a
dream of his and for us to be a side
by side.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
It's a lot of wards of lost piatus.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I don't know many kid has worked so hard to
get back to this point. There's just so much has
happened over the last year with him. To have this
happen less than a year from his incident, to be
with our friends and our family when he announced his name,
it was something that was super surreal.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
By the way, how many sons who aren't qualified or
at minimum aren't the best candidate end up on their
father's staffs in the NFL or college. Nobody gets too
worked up over that. There's other far more qualified candidates
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I think it's something about America that it's understood, and
I'm okay with it. You do me as solid. I
got dinner, you help me move. Maybe I'm going through
a tough time emotionally and you're there for me. I
owe you. I mean, how many owners take over for
their parents that actually live up to expectations. Not many
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will start with that. Don't get worked up over it.
It's the world we live in. Inspect your own life,
put a microscop on it, and if you really thought
about the things you expect after you help others at
a favorite restaurant, we all do it. It's okay. It's
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not worth losing fifteen minutes of sleepover all right. We
got all sorts of stuff. Klay Thompson that got very
touchy feely. The Yankees are a mess. The NFC, I
thinks better than people think. And there were two NBA
agent moves I wasn't here. One I thought was stupendous,
better than every other move, and one loss I think
(12:07):
really will be punitive for a team. So we'll talk
about that. Jordan schultzon today, j Max somewhere in the world,
he's abroad. I believe it's great to be back. Hoped,
hope to have you interested here for the next several hours.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
in newone Eastern AM Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS
one and the iHeartRadio app. Welcome back. Everybody got in
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their fields. Klay Thompson leaving the Warriors, and as I
watched it, I thought to myself, this was not a
shocking separation. This was not You and your wife are
married for eighteen years, great family, kids going into high school,
and she leaves you a note, she's gone. That's not
what this was. This was you were already sleeping in
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separate bedrooms, you'd been in counseling for six years, and
it was a dignified separation and divorce. And that's okay.
New CBA older player passed his prime. Really expensive, tough choices.
I've seen him before, We'll see it again. The Warriors
publicly almost apologize for the move. I get it. He's beloved,
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he's part of history and the Splash Brothers. But the
truth is, and this goes for a lot of people
and a lot of professions, Clay's going to a better team,
an ascending team. He's a very shy kid. He won't
be the star or even the number two. He won't
be the young ascending player or the star in their prime.
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It's actually a perfect spot for Klay Thompson, who at
this point in his career is preferably the fourth best
player on a championship team, maybe the third. He still
does have some really good nights, but he is like
a Derek White, but doesn't defend like that for the Celtics.
He doesn't defend like Derek anymore. At one point he
did maybe even better. And all of this is okay.
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This goes back to my opening rant, real tough decisions.
We all saw this coming for a year. I think
people would be surprised how often that move that you're
uncomfortable making. Six months later you're like, I could have
done this two years ago. Here's Steve Kerr on Clay
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Thompson's exit from Golden State and entrance to the Mavericks.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Sometimes in life we all need a shift, We need,
you know, just of press start whatever it is, you
know what, no matter what profession you're in, sometimes you
just need a change, and I think you know that's
that's it. It's never easy when these things start to
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run out. But the biggest thing is the relationships, endure,
the memories and door. You know, Clay is going to
have a statue outside Chase someday He'll be be loved
to his teammates and coaches and our fans.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, he is a warrior forever. Marcus Thompson, you can
look it up, has a great article on this. It'll
get into your fields. But I remember when I started
watching the NBA in the early seventies. It's the first
sport I can really remember watching. And there was a
back court of Jerry West and Gail Goodrich, the late
Jerry West and Gale Goodrich. Goodrich number twenty five, smaller
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guard ucla real score and it was like the back court.
There was also Walt Fraser and Earl Monroe in New York.
I didn't feel they were as prodigious, maybe offensive scoring.
I thought Jerry West was the best of all four
of those guards. And then there were the Splash Brothers,
the greatest shooting backcourt of all time at one point.
Klay Thompson was also an elite defender both ends of
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the floor. You'll get a statue you made a fortune.
But the new CBA makes this really punitive. Here's Clay
Thompson a little uncomfortable on moving to Dallas.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
I'm very grateful for my time at Golden State, but
I just felt like, you know, moving on could just
re energize me and do something special for the rest
of my career. Sometimes, you know, breakups are necessary to
do what's right. And when I was watching the playoffs
and I'm watching the mass you know, make a run
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for the championship, I just saw myself fitting in really
well with this team and the personnel, and they look
like they have fun playing with each other, and they
play for each other, and that was very attractive for me,
and that's really all I needed to see. And there's
mutual interest there and that's why I'm here.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
By the way, he's a perfect fit for them because
both Kyrie and Luca can be a little ball dominant,
and Clay is a perfect catch and shoot player. So
Nico Harrison, very sharp guy running the Mavericks, literally finds
an aged but a perfect player. Luca's in the prime,
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he's the star. Kyrie's out of it but still dangerous.
Clay doesn't need the ball, He'll get your points, catch
and shoot. Perfect fit. His second chapter. My guess is
will be a really good one. Here's Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, no turn on the news. This is the headline news,
all right.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Colin Tua Tongue of Ailoa and the Dolphins have yet
to reach a long term extension, but reports indicate the
two sides have remained in consistent contract talks since last month.
The report also adds that Bothtua and Miami are taking
a very amical approach and things don't look like they'll
go south. Colin, I don't understand it, because if you're
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really considering who the Dolphins are, what the reality is.
They have been searching for a franchise quarterback since Dan Marino,
the guy retired twenty five years ago. The Dolphins have
not won a playoff game since two thousand. You're staring
at your franchise cornerstone, who's twenty six years old, right
in front of you. What is the hold up? He's
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a model citizen. He led the NFL in passing yards
last year. He's a pro bowler. What are they waiting for?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I think a lot of it is he feels very
weather vulnerable. You're not going to get him cold when
he if you look at the best teams in the AFC,
Kansas City, outside Baltimore, outside Cincinnati, outside Buffalo, outside you're
going to be playing in late January up north potentially,
and he is a weather restricted quarterback. I think they
(18:29):
want to keep it. And I think it's the same
thing with Dallas and Kirk Cousins in Minnesota for years.
They want to keep him. It's a numbers game with Mahomes.
With Josh Allen, you're gonna lose. They're gonna get what
they want to get. Lebron in his prime, you're gonna
get what you want to get. But in the NFL
there's a big difference between forty eight and fifty nine,
(18:49):
and so I think they want him, But there are
realities with his game. If you are looking around corners,
Josh Allen's in his prime, Mahomes in his prime, Verol
of Healthy in his Labar in his Prount has a
lot of cold weather teams in January, and this is
a guy that doesn't throw the ball in windy weather.
Especially well.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I'm not saying that he's Dan Marino, no, but he
is to me the perfect instrument for Mike McDaniel, and
I think he's still getting better. He's an ascending player.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, that's what he is. He's a perfect well. I mean,
he's very much Drew Brees who was coming out of college.
Drew was perfect for Sean Payton's mind. And I think
the difference is Brees had one major injury early, but
I don't feel like he had a history of injuries,
and I think that's the concern with too. I think
the Dolphins want to sign him, but they want to
be protected if he goes south physically.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Fair enough, speaking of quarterbacks looking for a new deal,
you just mentioned Dallas, Dak Prescott is still waiting on
a long term extension calling from the Cowboys. We most
recently saw him in a walking boot around the fourth
of July, which caused a lot of concern amongst the media.
Here's what Dak had to say about it.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Honestly, I'm getting older. It's the same ankle right that
that that I snapped and had a nasty surgeon on
four years ago. So yeah, a couple of hard days
of training, and you know, you get a little sore,
and then you're going on a fishing trip and you
want to protect it and and make sure that things
don't get worse. So literally, it is absolutely not that.
That's why, Uh the people people are reaching trying to
make things that they aren't. I'm getting older, have to
(20:20):
take care of my body, have to be smart, and
if I can take precautions and lessening something about putting.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
On a boot, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And so sorry that, uh it calls such a wardlin. Yeah, well,
I mean listening to the coach of the Dallas Cowboys
of a picture like that, we're showing our TV audience
comes out, no people are going to react to it.
That's the If you're a Yankee shortstop or a Laker
guard or a you know, Notre Dame quarterback or Dak
Prescott and you're in a walking boot before camp, shocker,
(20:47):
it's gonna be a story.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
He also does have the leverage. He's a no trade clause. Yeah,
he just saw that, and also a no tag clause,
and he just saw that. Kirk Cousins at thirty five
coming off of torn Achilles, got one hundred and eighty
five million dollars, So he knows the worst case scenario
for him really is to play it out and get
paid next year as a thirty one year old Corps.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I've said this, I'm I'm not hyper critical of Dak.
I would pay him. I'm just not going to pay
him fifty eight. I'm not saying what's a number, and
he's going to get more than this. But I think
when you look at Dak and Tua, you've had some
injuries that have mounted. I think the numbers in the forties.
You know, Jared Goff never gets injured.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
He got two twelve or four.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, And and Jared throws a better ball than Dak,
is healthier than both, doesn't move as well as Dak,
but moves about like Tua and yeah, and everybody pushed
back on Goff, and I think Goff is a better
thrower of the football, bigger, healthier than Dak and Tua.
(21:49):
So I Goff is somebody that if you have to
pay in the fives, that's the first number. I'm more
comfortable with that. It gets so much pushback on him.
But Dak's had some injuries now, and he has struggled
in January two, has a history of injuries, albeit healthy
last year, and we see he's weather restricted. So it's
it's to me, I the new reality is you're paying
(22:11):
closer to sixty with the great quarterbacks. But it's not
that these teams don't like their player. It's like it's
a numbers game. It's a math equation at this point.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well, they also Micah. They also have Ceedee Lamb and
if you're thinking about Detroit, they have set up goth
much better in terms of the offensive line, the running game.
Billy Dallas has Seule Gibbs a mon Roe.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
By the way, the Dalphins and the Cowboys are both
finger crossers on the old line. Detroit's got easily the
best O line in.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
The Dallas just lost their center as well as Tyron
Smith as potential Hall of famers, So there's a lot
there in terms of the weaknesses of that offensive line. Uh,
the Vikings call and made the decision to let Kirk
Cousins walk this offseason and instead made Justin Jefferson the
league's highest paid receiver, and in appearance on The Rich
Eyes and Show, Jefferson addrest whether he was prize my
(23:01):
cousins departure to a land.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
Always knew, you know, Kirk, you know, was going to
do whatever he needs to do for for you know,
his business wise, and I just knew that, you know,
everything just wasn't you know, the way he wanted it
to be here. I'm not mad at him at all
of that. I'm grateful for what he has brought to me,
(23:24):
and you know the things that we have accomplished together. Well,
you know, at the end of the day, is a business.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So Sam Donald your guy. You love Sammy, I do
JJ McCarthy. So let's assume that Donald is the QB
one to start the season. Maybe McCarthy plays at some point,
But whether or not you like Kirk Cousins is almost
a material when you consider that all of Jefferson's success,
Jordan Addison, a lot of t. J. Hawkinson's comes from
Kirk Cousins under center.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah. By the way, I ran into Sam Donald out east,
looks healthy, ready to go, fired up in Minnesota to Yeah,
I mean I very infrequently has Minnesota been a mess.
I tend to think they're smartly owned, well coached. Even
coaches like Mike Zimmer who got let Go I thought
were really good coaches. It shows you the value of
quarterback in this league. That they're over and under is
(24:16):
like six. I could make an argument elite offensive talent.
They have the best receiver in the game, the second
best offensive tackle, a top five tight end, one of
the ascending stars at running back, and one the Sean
the tall Sean mcvaatt coach. I tell you last year
everybody had the Rams as a rebuild, a five or
(24:39):
six wins and they made the playoffs. If you told
me there was a team in the NFL that you
look up and they're like eight and four through twelve,
it's an offensive league. I love their coach. They're left tackle,
they're running back, they're O lines better, they're tight end,
their star receiver. They even have Jordan Aison a two.
And there's not a great defense in their division. Chicago's
(25:01):
could be, but Green Bay and Detroit don't have great defenses.
If there's a team in the league that Vegas missed,
Vegas missed on the Rams last year. If there's a
team there missigon, it's Denver in the AFC I think
is more than capable of winning nine games, and it's
Minnesota in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
See, the pushback would be Donald hasn't really been ever
been that guy. Yeah, and the division is still really good.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
But Kyle Shanahan and this head coach, two of the
four or five smartest coaches in the league offensively, both
really like Sam Donald. It's a pretty good indication you like.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Sam Donald until he has to play a full season
and really show it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
That's your guy. If it's ever gonna happen for Sam's.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Good, this is this year.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
No, it'd be no excuses.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, you can make.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Arguments about the Jets and Adam Gase and Carolinas lack
of vite. If Sam can't win games here, it's on Sam.
There's no great defenses outside of perhaps Chicago in that division,
So he'll get six divisional games four of the game
or against at best average defenses.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Okay, I like it. Let's go to Team USA Basketball Colin,
where we had some breaking news ahead of tonight's matchup
with Canada on FS one. Soouncer on your reports that
Kawhi Leonard is withdrawing from the Olympic roster. Yeah, and
will be replaced. Multi reports indicate that Celtics card Derek
White will replace him.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Oh, I love that on the roster. I love that
you like, I would have taken Derek White over him.
I think Derek White's on a short list of the
most underrated players in the league. I think Derek White's
fantastic defense of the floor, willing teammate, great defender can
get buckets. Yeah, I mean the Kawhi Leonard thing. I
(26:42):
just do not understand this fascination. Well, I mean, you
could be the best Herdline News guy ever. If you're
here only two out of five days a week, at
some point I'm over like, I need you to be
available at my quarterback or my star basketball.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
That's part of the deal being available.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
He also said before because this is an odd story.
Another odd story was when he said, you know, losing
Paul George Tophilly, it doesn't really change my approach. I
don't really understand what the Clippers are doing all definitely
don't understand what Kawhi Leonard is doing when he says yesterday,
I'm looking forward to the Canada game. I'll be ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, and he's now with drawing Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
The you know, it's all these sports except baseball have
salary caps, right, And the feeling with salary caps is
you don't want just the richest owners and the biggest
cities to dominate sports never seems to matter. In Milwaukee,
where the Packers are perpetually excellent, the Brewers are in
(27:47):
first place, and the Bucks will make the playoffs and
maybe contest to get into the finals. Little old Milwaukee,
the town, not the beer. It's so funny about New
York because base falls to sport with no salary cap.
Oh man, what an advantage for New York. They are
six and seventeen the Yankees in their last twenty three games.
(28:13):
That's the worst in the sport run differential batting average.
They can't hit. They are completely top heavy. Aaron Judge
is great, Juan Soto started the year on fire. He's
come back to earth, and nobody else can consistently hit.
John Carlos Stanton injured. It's a bad baseball team now,
(28:34):
and it's crazy. I was thinking about this. There are
so many cities right now in America that don't have
New York's power or money ability to lure certain players.
Just pay him more money, especially in baseball. I mean,
in LA, the Dodgers and Rams feel like they're good
every year. In Miami, Dolphins are viable, Hetero is excellent.
(28:54):
Panthers Philadelphia, Bryce Harper and the Phillies. I think they'll
end up in the World Siri. The Eagles pivot when
things get ugly quick end up in Super Bowls a lot.
I thought the Sixers had an amazing offseason. They're a
playoff team, Warriors, Niners in San Francisco, Avalanche and Nuggets
in Denver. I mean, you start looking Dallas, the MAVs
(29:16):
a great franchise. The Cowboys say what you want, they
make the playoffs, the MAVs the Stars. And then there's
New York. The last time New York had two teams
that were like championship level. Got to go back, like
twenty four years the Rangers made a Stanley Cup. Wasn't it?
(29:39):
What year with the Super Bowl? The Giants were in
the Super Bowl and had Subway Series.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Right, so Subserars two thousand, ninety four was Rangers win
the Cup.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Rangers lose, Okay, but two thousand was the last year,
right that they had two teams viable championship not the Rangers.
That was ninety four, So just think about that. And
little old Milwaukee has three teams that are all capable
yeah winning, And to me, it all starts at the top.
James Dolan isn't considered a terribly strong owner, although since
(30:08):
creating the Sphere he seems distracted and the Knicks are
finally well run. The Mara's and Woody Johnson don't seem strong.
Steve Cohen now had a lot of money but gets
pushback Steinbrenner's kids, So you don't have great ownership. The coaches.
I like Brian day Boll, but he's gruffing, intense and
turned some off. Sala's like eighteen and thirty three. You know,
(30:30):
Tom Thibodeau's good, but he comes with a caution label.
This is a Yankee team. It's hard to explain. They've
lost seventeen or twenty three games outside of Aaron Judge
and kind of one so nobody can hit. Aaron Boone
is considered a little two player friendly. Robert Sala in
the city can't win games.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Player friendly, that's the criticism.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, so it's just incredible. You know, the salary caps
are so the big cities don't dominate. New York has
been a HASMA spill for about twenty five years. This
was supposed to be the breakthrough team. I mean, you're
watching that New York Giants hard knocks. That's not great.
(31:11):
It's actually it's good to watch. Oh, it's good to watch.
It leaves me with a lot of questions about how
they're run. This team should not be this bad. Mark
de Rose is the face of the Major League Baseball Network.
He's going to join us next to talk about what
is wrong with the Yankees. Everything's right with Otani, he's
having a year. What would the Yankees be without Aaron Judge,
(31:34):
who's just remarkable.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Eastern non a Empacific.
Speaker 9 (31:41):
Pally Fools Go here with Tony Foosco. Yeah, as everybody knows,
we're the hosts of the award winning Polly and Tony
Foodsco Show.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (31:47):
But instead of us telling you how great we are,
here's how Dan Patrick described us when he came on
our show.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
What are you doing interrupting our promo? Yeah, it wasn't
talking about you. You took those clips totally out of context.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Oh yeah, well, after this promo, I'm gonna take you
out and beat you.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Let me put this into context. Shut up.
Speaker 9 (32:10):
Yeah, anyway, just listen to the Paully and Tony Fusco
Show on IoT Radio, Apple podcasts or wherever you get
your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yee, well, attendance is up, game time is down. You
know listen. I would argue that the Major League Baseball
should lower the mound. They did it years ago in
the Bob Gibson era. There's so many dominating pitchers. Now
you're finding teams, you know, show Heyo Tani, Mookie Bets,
Aaron Judges. There's certain guys that are just gonna hit
their all time players. But other than that, Baseball's got
(32:39):
a lot to be happy with. Mark de Rosa played
in the Biggs for a long time. He is, to me,
the face of the Major League Baseball Network. I've said before,
of all the league networks, major League Baseball Network to
me is the best by far. You hear discussions you
don't hear everywhere else. And so let's let's talk about
the Yankees. Mark, and I appreciate you coming on. They're
a little top heavy. I watched every moment of the
(33:01):
Dodger series and my takeaway is, man, they need Aaron Judge.
They need him to be the catalyst. Aaron Boone is
a friend I know him well. The criticism is he's
too nice to the players, he's not hard enough. Is
it a fair criticism?
Speaker 10 (33:18):
Mark Well, first off, thanks for having me on. All right,
huge fan, I've watched you for a long time to
get into the Yankees. This is why you play one
sixty two right. They came out like gangbusters. Everything that
could go right did go right. Their entire starting rotation
had sub three eras. Yep, you knew at some point
(33:39):
it was gonna regress to the mean as far as
the offense is concerned. And then I'll get to Boone's point. Yeah,
they are built around Judge and Soto obviously, but Stanton
injury has been huge. Verdugo's taking a step back and
gotten cold. Volti's taking a step back and gotten cold.
They've inserted Ben Rice into the leadoff spot in that lineup,
(34:02):
so they got an ivy leaguer from Dartmouth leading off,
and then he's covering Soto and Judge and then it kind.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Of falls off a cliff a little bit.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Yeah, their bullpen hasn't been striking anybody out. They might
need to address that with Clay Holmes's recent struggles. But
you know, going back to Aaron Boone. I've known him
for a long time. I think that's probably the toughest
thing for a manager when you first get in there,
like how disciplinary are you going to be? I think
(34:30):
everything Colin is case by case. There was another day
when Anthony Volpi was running home from third base, didn't
touch home before DJ Lemayhew was tagged out, and I
felt like in that moment that that was a teaching moment.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Right.
Speaker 10 (34:43):
Volpi's been a model citizen since day one of showing up.
He hustles on and off the field. He does everything right.
So that's maybe a put your arm around him and say, hey,
that can't happen. The Trent Grisham play in center field.
I would handle that a little different because it's a
fourth outfielder. It's not a guy adding tremendous value to
(35:04):
my roster. Maybe you can make a little bit more
of a point to the big boys that hey, if
you're not one of my top tier guys, you gotta
show me a little bit more. I remember, I'm a
huge Cowboy fan, Kylin. I want to take this to
the NFL, but I'm a huge Cowboy fan, and I
remember reading a book and Jimmy Johnson talked about releasing
(35:25):
a special teams player because he fell asleep in meetings,
and that player asked him what he would do if
Troy Aikman fell asleep, and he said, I'd get him
a pillow in a blanket. I think that's the way
you got to handle it. It's like you carry weight,
you can get away with a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
You know. The best baseball team, in my opinion, we
said this about two months ago, is the Phillies. I
think Bryce Harper is a remarkable player. It is interesting
to watch a show Hey Otani and Aaron Judge of
Bryce Harper, a singular power player, has so much influence
now a lot of this Philly's got like seven all stars,
so it's beyond Bryce Harper. In the times I've seen
(36:04):
them play and during the course of a baseball season,
I catch innings, I don't catch entire games. I think
Philadelphia is the best team I've seen. Where do you
land with them and your thoughts on Harper?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 10 (36:16):
I think right now they're the best team in baseball.
They have the least amount of flaws. Guys like Matt
Strom and Jeff Hoffman, have stepped up in their bullpen
to give them some wipeout stuff in the back end.
The lineup's as deep as you can possibly take it.
The starting rotation Ranger Suarez got off to that amazing start.
You can make the argument Zach Wheelers the best pitcher
(36:38):
in the National League. Throw in guaranteed consistent Aaron Nola,
Rob Thompson seems like steady Eddie and Dave Dombrowski's been
doing this for a long time, their general manager and president.
He always finds a way to put teams together that
play well together chemistry wise and feed off each other.
So it's not just one guy. Kyle Schwarber is probably
(37:02):
the chemistry leader in there. But you add in the
Trey Turners, and like you said, Bryce Harper, Real Muto,
and then the young guys stopped Boom Marsh. They all
seem to play a part, so I would agree with you.
I think right now they're the best team.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Mark a final question, let's talk show. Hey O Taani.
I defended him when the allegations came up. I thought
it would be distracting. It's hard enough to be a
player outside of the country, language barriers, enormous pressure, moved
up I five Angels Dodgers instead. He's better than ever.
(37:38):
Are you surprised at the early stories the potential to
be completely distracted? How is he viewed by you and
others at the Baseball Network in the sport?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (37:51):
I think he's viewed by me is the most talented
baseball player of all time?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
I don't think you can deny. I don't think he
can deny it, Colin. I mean, he's a top ten
pitcher when he's right.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Now.
Speaker 10 (38:02):
He'll be coming back from his second elbow surgery, so
that remains to be seen. But even if he pitched
to a number three in a rotation and gave you
like sub four er and made a bunch of starts
with his offense, he's still worth every dime of that
seven hundred million.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
I agree with you.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
Not only all the stuff allegations wise he was dealing
with in the offseason, but the relationship he had with
his translator obviously goes by the wayside. And then you're
moving teams and you're walking into putting on Dodgers where
you have Betts and Freeman already established, and for you
to stand so far ahead of that crazy, It's kind
(38:45):
of crazy what he's and DH is a full time
DH has never won the MVP, and I sit up
here and you try and find ways to devalue the
fact that he doesn't play the field. And unless Harper
comes back and get and he came back yesterday and
gets extremely hot, or someone does something crazy in the
(39:05):
second half Mookie comes back, it looks like Shohey is
the favorite right now on paper to win the MVP.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Think about that. Yeah, not pitching pure DH and could
be the MVP. It really is remarking. It does help
the guys batting in front and behind him. We've got
to be honest here. It's a it's a bit of
an all star team. Mark de Rosa, MLB Network does
a sensational job for them. We want to have you
on again. We appreciate it. The attendance is up, the
time is down. I still think they have to look
(39:33):
at lowering the mound at some point. There are so
many guys throwing ninety eight with movement. It is hard
right now. Outside of Judge, Yankees are struggling at the plate. Mark,
I appreciate having you on and love to see you again.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
No thanks for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
You bet yeah. Major League Baseball has raised the mound
and lowered the mound back in the Bob Gibson here
a late sixties, and Bob Gibson was unhittable for long stretches.
They lowered the mound. I think you have so many
great athletes eats, so many guys six ' five throwing downhill,
throwing high nineties, some over one hundred. I think you
have to consider it. Because baseball, the games are shorter.
(40:08):
It's a better television product. It's a better TV product,
but it is very few guys are hitting. I checked
last week, only twelve players are hitting over three hundred
in the sport. So and again, let's solve it like
the game time. They have solved it down to two
thirty five. You watch a baseball game now like it's you.
(40:29):
They fly by, the action's quick, it's fast. They got
to get the offense moving. And I think there's an explanation.
Lower the mound about six inches. Give give hitters a chance.
Aaron Judge and Shoheyo Tani and Milkie bats and Freddie Freeman.
They're going to hit against anybody. But it does feel
like there's some cuicket bats some really quick at bats
(40:50):
Dion Dawkins, Lane Johnson. It is a Wednesday. I'm back.
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