March 4, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin looks at another historic milestone LeBron James is set to achieve but credits him for something most people aren't aware of.
He believes Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders has been receiving unfair criticisms at the combine and explains why today's NFL should embrace players like him
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All Right, here we go. It is a Tuesday. We
are live in Los Angeles. It is the Herd. Wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Nick right one
hour from now Peter Schrager giving us some updates on
NFL stories, the Steelers, the Jets, the Giants, all sniffing
around at quarterbacks, Raiders as well. Jmac sad story this morning.
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Kyrie Irving tears his acl he got hurt last night.
Bad news, and so he's out for the year. And
it's over for the Mavericks. Done over for the Mavericks.
So we thought there was a chan if Ady got
healthy and Lively came back. There was a chance. When
I got this news fifteen minutes ago, it made me
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think about something. So Lebron needs one more point to
score fifty thousand points. Obviously, he's the most productive player
in NBA history. One point shy from fifty thousand career points.
Nobody's ever done that, right. But one of the things
Lebron has and I've never seen anything like it, is intuition.
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If he was a Sea captain and he was in
control of the Titanic, it would have never hit the iceberg.
I've never seen a guy that can see problems before
they happen. The biggest mess in the NBA is now
the Dallas Mavericks due to injuries, an awful trade, protests
outside the arena, prices are down forty percent. Fans just
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sick to their stomach. Now you add on an injury,
they are You got a head coach that doesn't trust
the GM, fans who can't stand the GM. Dallas is
a complete mess. The Kyrie thing just adds to it. Awful, injury, awful,
and yet simultaneously, Man Lucas starting to really look good
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and the Lakers are in the championship bubble. I mean,
think about the timing of Lebron. It's always come in
different forms and shapes. But think about this for a second.
He bailed on Cleveland. He said, I've been here seven years.
You can't get me another player.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
He leaves.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
He was right. He go, he wins titles, goes to
four straight finals, and Cleveland becomes an even bigger mess.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
He was right. Then his best friend's d Wade.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
He gets the four straight finals, but d Wade is
struggling to play back to backs, and like a good investor,
Lebron is always a year early better than a year late.
He leaves Miami, they fall off a cliff. He goes
to Cleveland and wins. Then Kyrie gets in his fields.
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He carries you know, JR. Smith and some quirky guys,
hard to convince other pros to come to Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
He bails.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Cleveland goes into the take again, and Lebron goes to
Los Angeles. And in Los Angeles people say, oh, Lonzo Ball,
Kyle Kuzma, they got the brandon Ingram, but they got
really good young players. Lebron gets them out, gets a D,
wins another title.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
He's right again.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And then over the last couple of years, as Lebron ages,
Lebron privately, he did, and you know it was concerned
that a D could not get him easy Baskets. Ad
was a good teammate. They worked together, but they weren't perfect.
As Lebron aged and Lebron unlooked around the league and thought,
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who can get me easier?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Baskets?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
The two best outlet guys are Jokic. He's locked up
in Denver and Luca, and he gets Luca and the
Lakers are now on fire. Ad immediately gets hurt. The
entire organization's a mess. Now I'm supposed to believe that
Lebron didn't know. I find that very hard to believe.
And you can call him selfish, but here's something you
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have to call Lebron as well.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
He is always right. I've never seen anybody with this
kind of intuition. Everybody told him be loyal to Cleveland.
He was right, How can you bail on your buddy
d Wade?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
He was right, you're.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Going back to Cleveland. Cleveland can't win. He was right,
Los Angeles to broken franchise. Well, at least you got
good young teammates.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Now, he was right.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Ad was the star that just needed help. And then
AD's played a couple of really good years and he
stayed mostly healthy. And you know what that means. It
was time to sell the stock. You got your title.
He was finally consistently healthy, he was older, and Lebron's like,
I'm still a top five guy in the league. And
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I think privately Lebron had said he's a good fit,
he's not the perfect fit. And I watched the Dallas
Mavericks become a mess over the last three weeks, and
you know, some of it's just bad luck. But in
my life of watching professional athletes, I'll say it again,
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like it's he's a good investor. He's like Warren Buffett.
He's a year. He may be a little early, but
he's never late. He always knows when it's time to
move off. And it was funny when Luca came here
and again a d was really good for him, but
he was thirty two years old, and every Laker fan
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would watch ad and be absolutely honest, weren't you always
holding your breath? Weren't you always holding your breath? Of
course you were now and Lebron does this. When he
went to Miami the first time, people said, hey, it's
not gonna work. It's clunky, you don't have a center.
It's not always pretty for Lebron. When he first goes
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to a place. It's not always pretty. It's a little clunky,
but he made Miami right. Oh, Kyrie's a boss. Nobody
can play with him. He brings over Kevin Love. He's
a stat patter, not a winner. Took about a year
to get it right. He got it right that he
brings over A D. Had to get rid of the
young kids, little bumpy early, and then he got it right.
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So I don't know if Luke is gonna win the
first year. But every time Lebron hits the crossroads, like Wade,
Bosh and Lebron, they were still good, and the cabs
were still good, and Lebron and A D were still good.
But Lebron seeks great, and I do believe he may
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have been given a day or two heads up, But
I think he had grumbled privately that, as he aged,
Ad was a good fit but not a perfect fit,
that Lebron still had to always be the initiator of
the offense. And Lebron knew I'd rather be a receiver
on some nights, not just the quarterback. So as I
watched this just sad mess in Dallas, it reminds me
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a little bit of the mess in Cleveland, and the
mess in Miami and the mess in Cleveland, and nobody
avoids stepping in it. Like Lebron, start was perfect. The
takeoff can be bumpy, always makes the landing. Yeah, I
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mean the Dallas situation now, between ticket sales, the lack
of trust. I mean Mark Cuban, ask yourself this. Mark
Cuban a year ago said I'm gonna sell the franchise.
You don't think Lebron James looked at that and thought
Luca may be available. I really believe this. I absolutely
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believe this. I believe every time Lebron was around Luca.
Remember when Luca came into the NBA first year, Go
back and look at the tapes. Kid was twenty games in.
Lebron's like that kid's great. Lebron's like a talent scout.
Lebron's like that guy's great. He just make sure everybody
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around Luca knew that Lebron thought you were great. He
tried to get Steph Curry a couple of years ago.
Steph's like, now I'm a warrior. Remember he kept saying
nice things about Steph.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
What Steph do? Steph can initiate the offen.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Lebron can play off ball, Lebron can get easier basket.
So initially he wanted Staph and Steph wasn't available. Steph pushback.
Then he moved to Luca, slowly saying nice things. Keep
it in contact with Mark Cuban. Cuban leaves the Mavericks.
You know, Cuban and Luca, they were tight. What does
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Lebron see when Cuban leaves and opening and opening, you
lost your you lost your owner. New people in the
building may not trust him. Lebron saw it, made sure
the right people knew and he ends up playing with him. Uh.
I don't think it's a conspiracy theory. Too much of
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this stuff is public and well known. But how does
Lebron end up once again? He tried to go Steph
two years ago. I mean, good god, that was a
two year rumor. He made sure he does hang out
with Steph and see Steph and talk about Steph and
stepf was great. That was what he wanted to do,
and Staff's like, I must stay up here. Then he
moved through the channels and Mark Cuban Cuban sells. Lebron
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sees a moment I'm gonna go get him, and it
took a year of working the channels behind the scenes,
but the idea this was a big surprise caught everybody
off guard.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I don't buy it. I don't buy it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Lebron is his intuitiveness. You call it selfish, I call
it right. I've never seen a guy that. I mean,
stuff just implodes and Lebron's like, oh what happened back there?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Boy?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Did I get lucky? Wink wink?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I avoided another disaster?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Not ain't luck man.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I think he had this Lucat thing planned out the minute.
Steph Suid officially know. I think he had this Lucat
thing planned out the last year and a half. I
really do, I absolutely do.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
So we started hot take happy hour here on there.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's not even a hot time.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
This should be tinfoil hat Tuesdays because that is deep.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I know you're well in your bag here. I don't
hate it. I'll say that I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
How in the world can you go seven for seven
in your career?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
You know how you do that?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You're working the channels behind the scenes a year earlier.
Do you think Lebron just woke up in Cleveland and
decided to leave. No, he went to the Olympics. When
he went the first time in Cleveland, he played with
those Olympians and flying back, He's like, the hell am
I doing in Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I finally played with great players.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
He worked that Bosh d Wade thing for a year
and then all of a sudden they get to the
finals and they lose that thing, and pat Riley's getting
a little this, and I won't give you that, and
Lebron starts telling his guys this time, and all of
a sudden he gets a hold of Dan Gilbert. Dan
Gilbert flies and apologizes. Suddenly he finds his way a
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letter of Sports Illustrate. You think that thing happened in
six hours. And then he goes to Cleveland. Kyrie leaves
by that time, Gibert's like, you got me a title,
We're good. He goes to the Lakers again. Everybody thought
he would go Sixers. Everybody thought he would go Chicago.
Everybody he where's he go? The biggest brand Los Angeles.
By the time he got to Los Angeles, he had
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meetings with nine billionaires. Okay, and then the whole time
he likes Lonzo, he likes Kusma.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
He like, no, he didn't and he's working the channels.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
And by the way, the ad thing with Rich Paul,
who represented ad Rich Paul. I'm just saying this stuff
isn't happen, stands, It's not just random, and it's not
a criticism of it. Lebron is a great intuitive businessman.
He is selling the stock early, never late, and all
of a sudden, once again he's got the perfect teammate.
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The Mavericks are swimming in.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Chaos, ability to see around corners, see what's coming down
the pike. Lebron, Listen, you just made a case that
he might be the greatest executive in NBA history, the
way he's pulling the strings.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
And moving around everywhere. He goes everywhere.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
This is not a criticism. No, he bailed on Wade
and he was right. D Wade couldn't play back the
backs anymore. Bosh was having some physical stuff, but it
was mostly about d Wade.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
His Robin couldn't play. Remember those games against.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Indiana, d Wade would be great and the next day
you weren't sure if he could play in the next game.
And I'm all I'm saying with is Lucas stuff is
you look up today and it's like, are the Lakers,
the best team in the league after Boston. I think
the answer is yes, and I'm supposed to believe it's
just all happenstance. I think Lebron knew a year ago
he started swimming first Steph for a year plus. Steph
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turned him down. He said, who's my next target?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Luca? And I think it was.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Behind the scenes, and send a text and a little emoji,
just enough to let him know. Believe me, Lebron knows
everybody in the league back channel it make sure Luca.
And when Mark Cuban sold that team, Lebron James said,
there's my moment.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
That is my moment.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Because Cuban and Luca were tight, and Lebron the great
businessman said, I've got an opening.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
In my head.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I see Michael Douglass, remember the movie Wall Street. He
wakes up on the beach and he's got that clunky
cell phone and he calls Charlie Sheen and he goes Money.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Never sleeps, winning never sleeps for Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
He's always got something in play. The next move on
the chessboard, he knows it. Who call this great start
to it?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Tuesday? I'm fine, I'm just positive.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's it's conspiracy theories. Are you have to basically from
soup to notts a conspiracy theory. There's a couple of
loose fits. This is no a bunch of loose fits. Cleveland, Miami, Cleveland,
La Bailon Lonzo, the young players, A D Luca. This
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isn't this stuff all happened? And I I that this
the Luca thing is too perfect. It's just too perfect.
Lebron's basketball IQ. He looked around this league and he thought, Steph, Jokic, Luca,
those are the guys. Well, Yoka isn't going anywhere because
Denver will never give him up. Steph, I tried it,
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didn't want to go. Cuban sells the MAVs. There's my opening,
and I'm not hey, I've been called selfish. People get
called selfish if they care about their careers whatever.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
By the way, I invited Colin to hang out with
an NBA coach tomorrow night.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, Colin gave me the stiff arm. No, I'm busy.
I was like, all right, fine, fine, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I got any your big time. I got things.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
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Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, we're talking about the Kyrie Irving injury and what
I mess the Mavericks have been. I guess my overall
arching point is every team Lebron bails on goes into
the tank, and every star he moves off of goes
into a worse situation. And I mean it just Kyrie
Irving injury, by the way, because of all the injuries
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and because Luca shared offensive responsibilities, when you took Luca
away from the Mavericks, it forced Kyrie to play more minutes,
so it was very taxing on Kyrie's smaller body. Kyrie
since the Luca trade, I was just told, leads the
NBA in minutes played. So again, like this is another
reason you don't make that trade. So Kyrie, a small
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player who's had injuries, You're asking him to put so
much responsibility, so many minutes on his body with the
rest of the team beat up, that Kyrie's body gives
out after a while. So it just it is crazy
how often Lebron's timing is just perfect. I mean, the
minute he leaves a team, they fall off a cliff.
The minute he moves off a star, that star goes
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into a worse situation, or his year is bad, or
he's not the same player, or the circumstances are off,
and I just after a while, I don't think it's luck.
I just think Lebron's got an intuition. He sees problems
much better than most coaches or executives in the league.
There's an argument he's the best executive in the league.
I mean, you could make that argument. Lebron's the best
executive in the league. He has made that many smart moves.
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And I think he knew about the Luca thing. I
think he saw that thing the minute Cuban sold that team.
I think he saw it. There's an opening, go get
my guy. I prefer Staph maybe Jokic. They're not available,
and I tried with Steph. So I saw this, this story,
This is a big story yesterday, kind of infuriating to me.
So apparently in the combine over the weekend, you had
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these Shadeur Sanders, you know, the quarterbacks. They'll interview with teams,
and the report is Schadeur Sanders, who was a little brash.
According to Todd McShay. Two people that I spoke to
left the meeting with Shadur, and Shoudeur was not overly
concerned with what they thought of him.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Would you be?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You watched the Cleveland Browns the last ten years, so
this idea that he's going to drop in the draft
cracks me up. Tennessee, Cleveland, and the Giants all messes
that could need a quarterback, could use a quarterback, and
should draft one. These teams one of them, two of
them are all three of them apparently didn't love what
they heard from Shador Sanders. So I want you to
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think about this. Let's just take the New York Giants.
Go back to Week twelve, twenty seventeen season. It's kind
of the end of Eli Manning. He has a terrible
game against Washington. The Giants are two and nine. He's
awful until today, March fourth. That is three hundred and seventy.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Nine weeks.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That you knew that Eli Manning was washed until today
and you still are a disaster at quarterback. And you
think Shador Sanders in an interview is supposed to walk
in there and be blown away, and that you as
a team have the leverage. You think Cleveland has leverage,
you think Tennessee has leverage. It's okay to sometimes admit
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as a business, the employee may have more leverage.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So this idea that this kid who grew up rich
because of Nil got richer and who's really good and
you're a terrible franchise either Tennessee, Cleveland or New York,
that he didn't bow down to you because Shador Sanders realizes,
let's say it's the New York Giants or Cleveland, you're
a hurdle to his success. He'll be successful if he
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goes to Pete Carroll, Chip, Kelly, brock Bauers and Cap Space.
The Giants are a hurdle, an impediment to success. So
this idea that you're desperate and you think you have
all the leverage. No, Caleb Williams had some leverage, cam
Ward has some leverage. It's over that the employee doesn't
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have any leverage.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
In my busines.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
In pro football, college athletes, now, the coach doesn't have
all the leverage. And I think there's executives and coaches.
Rick Battino said this the other day, Saint John's coach adapt.
You can complain or you can adapt. You know, the
late Bobby Knight would complain about transfer portal, or you
can adapt John Calipari to his credit, It's like Okay,
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one and done.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
That's how I get the best players.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I can grumble and complain about it, or I can
like Rick Battino, we don't even recruit high schoolers. I
can complain about it or just adapt. And so it's
kind of infuriating to me.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I don't know. I mean, Schador Sanders grew up rich
and il got rich.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, I'm sorry he didn't come in desperate, but this
idea that these kids, now, these these quarterbacks and a
bad quarterback class, and he may be the best one
and you are a tire fire of a franchise, and
you know he came in here. I mean, the quote
from mcsay is actually funny. You know.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
The quote is is that.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
They left the meeting feelings should do or was not
overly concerned with what they thought of him? Well, I mean,
they thought Daniel Jones was great, they thought giving Deshaun
Watson a guaranteed contract was brilliant. Somebody drafted Will Levis.
I wouldn't be overly concerned if I was a quarterback
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with three teams that don't appear to know what the
hell they're doing. I'm sorry he gets a little say two,
you're bringing your attitude because he doesn't come in and.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Bow down to you.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
The business doesn't always have all the leverage. Now it's
twenty twenty five. Sometimes the employee has a little bit,
you know. Sometimes you know, I was talking to a
friend the other day and there are two companies battling
for him, and one of the companies was sort of
outraged that he wasn't just totally to them, and he said, well,
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I've got another company that's a bigger company offering more money.
Like the day you're you're if you're an employer and
you think you have all the leverage, or you're in
an NFL team and think you have all the leverage.
I mean, I think Shador Sanders and cam Ward they
would like to be passed on by Tennessee Cleveland and
the Giants. They'd rather go to a winning franchise. JJ
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McCarthy bo Nick's best thing that ever happened to him.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
He fell to Sean Payton J McK with a news no,
no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
All right, Colin, We're gonna start with that disappointing news
where Kyrie Irving has suffered a season ending torn acl
happened right there on that plague driving to the hoop
last night.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Really bummer, just a bummer for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Kyrie ended up shooting the free throws while crying on
the line. It had like a feel of Kobe Bryant,
remember when.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
He popped his achilles and.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Joe he was playing so many minutes now without lou Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
You know this is a listen this. I don't want
to crush the guy.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
But Nico Harrison pushed all the wrong but yeah, he
legitimately thought, oh, we can move off Luca.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
We're fine, We've got Kyrie. That's not holy.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And the problem with Dallas right now is Kyrie is
their only playmaker Spencer din when he can get shots.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
But whereas the.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Lakers have Austin Reeves, Luca and Lebron, they have three playmakers,
so the paul can be in three different players hands.
The Mavericks now without Luca, the ball's always in Kyrie's hands,
and now that their centers are banged up, he had
to play more minutes and carry more of the offense.
So it's just yeah, I feel you know, Kyrie can
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not not my favorite player, but he's absolutely historically gifted.
And this organization now is the biggest mess. Do you
think Phoenix has issues?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Oh wait a minute, Phoenix and Finfili are in really
bad spots.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Dallas can turn around next year.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Everybody will start the season healthy, They'll be fine. I
just go back to Nico Harris's movement. We can move
off Luca and be fine. And literally everything has gone
terribly for them since that trade between eighties injury, Gafford
got hurt.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Now Kyrie's out for the higg and sales lamited.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Last night. They're getting blasted.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah, I mean they lose by thirty last night at
home in the third quarter. Fans just a mass exodus
start leaving the stadium.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I don't know what to say.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Man, this is between the Cowboys being a dumpster fire
and now Dallas.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Everybody's hurt. You go to the finals. I'm sorry they're
not stating at least.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Phoenix can start over.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I mean this thing, Look at this, Look at people
heading to the exits like this organization now is.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And again it's not just the Kyrie injury.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I mean Kyrie was the last little bit of hope.
But we had said this, you couldn't take them seriously
as a big playoff team.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
They're just it's just.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Are the Dallas Stars in hockey still in Dallas?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Maybe there's some hope there.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Rangers will be Okay.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
It's a terrible feel.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I mean, Colin, remember six eight months ago they were
in the NBA finals.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
They were in the finals.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Yeah, and now it's all downhill. It's terrible stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
No, this is why guys like Lebron are always willing
to move off, because there are bad executives all over sports.
I mean the Cleveland Browns gave to Shaun Watson, they
totally guaranteed contract. There are terrible executives. Daniel Jones was
not only a reach at number six, they gave him
an extension and let Saque well.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Is that the executive of the only Well, I'm just whatever.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
It is.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
All I'm saying is when you see certain players like
Brady wanted to control and Lebron wants to control it,
you know why, because they're better than the executives often
making those decisions.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
By the way, do you think Mark Cuban would have
traded Luca no, you could go with hell.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
There's zero chance that was happening.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
No, sah.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Next story is Matt Stafford and his decision to restructure
his deals day with the Rams. Huge sigh of relief
for Sean McVay, who was pleased by the decision when
he talked.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
To reporters yesterday.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Obviously that was always the end, go on, mind, We've
always had great dialogue, and I think it's really kind
of been a year to year thing. He's obviously under
contract for two more years with us, but as long
as he wants to play. I know we're feeling really
good that and I think ultimately it's about the partnership
and how important it is, you know, to have him
leading the way, and so couldn't be more grateful, really
excited about it, and been sleeping better these last couple
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of days.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, you know the Rams.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I was told after the show yesterday. Listen, he was
still in a contract. You have to give us a
first rounder and something. The Raiders kicked the tires and
would not go there, which I think is a mistake.
I would have given up a first rounder for Matt
Stafford absolutely, with Chip Kelly Brockbauer's pet Carol future this
current it doesn't matter. Oh oh, I would give up
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a first for a star.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Quarterback who's in his late thirties.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Again, this is not nineteen eighty four. Lebron Att forty
is great.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Oh, Matt Stafford's on Lebron stop.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Well, Matt Stafford last year was outstanding.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
He is very welcome.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Other good news for the Rams, Jordan Schultz reported Jackson
the left tackle has been signed.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
They're going to keep him.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
So it's fit a nice little start to the week
for the Rams here keeping Stafford, keeping their left tackle.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I think they have some interior line issues.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Maybe they got to sort out at center, but otherwise,
now they just need your target receiver.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
In the draft, well, they have to get a corner.
They will get an offensive tackle, probably in the third
or fourth because Rob Havenstein's getting old. But it's basically
they need a they need a weapon on the perimeter.
They need a corner, probably an inside linebacker, and they're
ready to vuy for a title.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
They might need two weapons.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
And Higbee always hurt, right, so you probably need a
tight end.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
So the Rams are need some pieces.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Would you put them in the top six in the
NFC right now?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I would put them in the top six in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Wait a minute, NFL. Yes, okay, so let's take Bill's
Chiefs Ravens off the table. They're top three obviously.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Yeah, Eagles Super Bowl defends.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
That's four lions and then Rams just say it out loud. McVay, Stafford, great.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Defense, forty nine Ers, bounce back.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Packers, McVeigh, Stafford, mc.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Great Ington, Commanders, mobile weight.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Still an average roster got a hit in about six round.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Top six NFL.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, I don't think it was any question about that
A Bowl. Well, I mean, at the end of last year,
who gave Philadelphia game one game?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I mean for the second half was close? First half?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Well, who you know?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
They played four quarters. That's how the support works.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Okay, Well, the final final story, Colin is Deebo Samuel
going to the Commanders for that fifth round pick.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
The reports Debo might have had some ill will toward
the Niners.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
But he took to social media to shoot down the rumors.
Niners know where I stand with them. It's nothing belove,
love Lynch, shit handed death, no bad blood in no way,
shape or form. They know I'm more than appreciative of
everything they've done for me as a player and as
a man.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Nothing belove.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Deebo also did address his weight concerts. Remember last year
people said he was looking a little little tubby.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Well he was.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Playing at two twenty five last season, the Niners wanted
him at to ten to twelve, So Niners a little
bit of a gripe, right, Deevo was not in his
playing weight. He did throw a pun shit remember at
the backup or the holder on the kicker.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Ye for that play late in the game.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I mean it was time for him to go. I
think he probably keeps weight on because as they use
him as a running back, he wants to be a
heavier player.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well they have, They have.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Eckler and Robinson at running back, so I don't hopefully
they don't. I don't think he's at this stage. I
don't think he can carry a load as a running back.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Right, Well, he'll be a chess piece. He's he's not
a beat people down the field receiver. He is the
late Well it's it's a little bit like the late
Aaron Hernandez. He was a tight end on resume, but
he could be. You could put him in the backfield.
You could put him in constant motion jet sweeps. I
think Devo is just he's a really good football player.
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I wouldn't label him as a wide receiver. He's just
a really good football player that a smart play designer
can figure out how to get eight touches a game.
And he's great, hard to bring down, great after the catch,
almost impossible. First man to hit him, almost never brings
him down.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
I saw one of these YAK stats then the last
four seasons, Debo is number one by a mile.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Jamar Chase was number two.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
And you know if you line up Debo in the
backfield to start to play and then motion him out,
which Kingsbury will do, and Jayden Daniels says, oh, that's
a linebacker on Deebo, Samuel, you know, barbecue chicken. We're
going right to him. It's game over, and I think
we're gonna see a lot of that with Deebo. Remember
motivated after getting kicked to the.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Curb by the Niners. This is a home run. All
these people.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Online, oh Deebo's washed, I wouldn't know them.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I think this is a great great get.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
J Mickle the news.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
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Speaker 3 (30:39):
You ever heard that saying, it's just a vibe.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Some people are good energy, some people are good juice
the nick right top of the hour, The Golden State
Warriors won again last night with Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Butler's not even playing well.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I mean, honestly, that's what's crazy, Lucas not being that
consistently great. He's still playing in the shape. Jimmy Butler
shooting eleven percent on threes and the Warriors are eight
and one with him. We'll talk about what he brings
to the table. It's not just production. Now.
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Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I believe in analytics, but there are certain players that
are just a good vibe. They're just good energy in
the room. And it's like that's Jimmy Butler, like in
Golden State. Staff's like showing off, like me, you're a
good hang. It's a good hang. I'm gonna tell a story.
(32:34):
Let me tell a story before we go.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
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Speaker 1 (32:57):
So, like, if you're ever gonna go, like on a
Vegas trip with buddies or a golf trip with buddies,
there's a saying or a question you often ask when
you're organizing it.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Is he a good hang?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Can you hang around him for four or five days?
A lot of guys are a bad hang. They're cheap,
they're weird, they're needy, they drink too much, they say
inappropriate stuff. They're not ill meaning, But like, are they
a good hang? If you're gonna be with guys for
five days, you're going on a rafting trip or a
Vegas trip, are they a good hang? Some people just
bring really good energy. They're easy to be around. They
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may be intense, but they're just something about it. The analytics,
said Jimmy Butler to the Warriors may not be a
perfect fit.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
They're now eight and one. They're eight and one.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
The night that Steph had fifty six, Jimmy Butler had five.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
It's like Steph Curry's taking one more shot of games
since Jimmy Butler arrived and averaging seven more points. I
looked at the stats turnover differential. Warriors are now first
in the league assists the game first, free throw percentage first, Like,
it's just good vibes. He's just good juice. He's tough,
he's intentional, he's physical. In the NFL, we call these
(34:07):
force multipliers. They're just guys you put in a room
and they make everybody better. And a lot of times
analytics can't capture this stuff. Analytics will like certain guys
and I'm like, yeah, they're a bad hang. It's bad energy.
And that's why I kept saying, just get Jimmy Butler
on the Warriors. I'm watching the Warriors play. Steph had
no energy. Nothing against Draymond. Draymond's not a big score.
(34:29):
It's like they just they just needed a second behind
their ace. And sometimes you need a great motivational speaker.
You have a Tony Robbins come in and talk to
your company. It's nothing against your boss, it's nothing against
Steve Kerr.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
But I mean it's the NBA.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
There's if you get to the playoffs, there's one hundred
games a year, how many times can you give a
pep talk? And this team just needed juice, It just
needed good vibes. And Andrew Wiggins was sort of Jimmy
Butler is the He's the anti Andrew Wiggins. He comes
with physicality, intensity, even a shoot around, like you never
(35:09):
have to ask, is Jimmy Butler on the floor. And
I'd said this for years about Jimmy Andrew Wiggins. I'd
seen him play live four or five times. He could
drop twenty eight points when he was at Minnesota, I
never knew if he was on the floor, Like you
always know when Jimmy Butler's on the floor, he's getting fouled,
he's fouling, he's getting to the line, he's trash talking.
And it's the same with Lebron and Luca. Lebron like
(35:29):
has a new energy and a new joy. Steph Curry's
plan out of his mind. Even guys like Michael Jordan
and Kobe sometimes had to create obsessed guys had to
create motivation. And I mean Steph Curry, how fired up
kind of guy that's going to be first bout Hall
of Fame. Get trying to be a tent seed so
right now they are in the playoffs, and I've said this,
(35:50):
here is my NBA.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Finals bubble.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I think there are six teams, Warriors, OKC, Nuggets, Celtics,
Cabs can win the championship.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Nicks.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I feel like just may not be able to defend
the pick and roll good enough. Robinson's back, they'll be
better defensively. I don't buy Houston. They can't shoot, and
I don't I don't buy Memphis. I still think they're
too young. But here's here is Steve kerr On on
Jimmy Butler and what he brings.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
I think they compliment each other really well. Jimmy's a
phenomenal all around basketball player, two way player. He's at
his best when the ball is moving. I think we
can do a better job of getting him involved. It
was still a work in progress, but I love Jimmy's
fit here. I think he's he's perfect next to Steph
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and Dre and it's showing. Obviously. I think we're eight
and one since we got him with him in the lineup.
That's not by accident.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, it's not at all.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
One NFL story and I was confused about this yesterday
as a staff This morning, we're kind of trying to
figure out this jigsaw puzzle in Minnesota with Sam Darnold,
and I don't have a real strong take because any
take I could have could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
They could franchise tag him. I don't think they will.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Tom Paul Sero and Ian Rapaport are reporting yesterday they're
working on a deal with Sam Darnold, and it is no.
That's what. It's a crazy story because they drafted JJ McCarthy,
they have Daniel Jones, and they're working on a deal.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
So it's funny. I think we forget this.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Josh Allen was the MVP last season, right, it was
going to be Lamar or Josh Allen. You do realize
that Josh Allen last year had a couple of stinkers.
He went nine for thirty in a game against Houston
and had a fifty six passer rating.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Remember that game.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
He also was awful against the no touchdown, two picks
at a passer rating of sixty.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
That's the MVP.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
We watched Patrick Mahomes struggle twice against the Raiders and
be awful against the Eagles. Let's just remember that we
have to be totally honest about this. Let's just talk
about last year with Minnesota a team pick for fourth. Okay,
Sam Donald played with a roster that wasn't as good
as mahomes roster and wasn't as good as Josh Allen's roster.
(38:27):
Let's look at the splits on Sam Donald. I think
what Kevin O'Connell is saying is this guy's insanely talented.
We're not sure JJ McCarthy is as good as him.
So if you start looking at Sam Donald last year, yes,
he had a couple of really bad games, but in
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the first sixteen games of the year, thirty five touchdowns,
twelve picks, fourteen and two sixty eight percent completion percentage
by the way, he lost his left tackle midway through this,
and a passer rating at one oh six and a half. Yes,
did he lose to the Rams they had a better roster.
Did he lose to the Lions in Detroit Game of
(39:09):
the Decade? Yes, they had a better roster. So I
mean go back to Mahomes and Josh Allen that had,
you know, better rosters. They had awful games, and so
I think, and Minnesota was picked for third or fourth.
Remember they're over under. Was was it like six or something.
So I think what Kevin O'Connell is saying is, listen, guys,
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don't go crazy on the last two games. Is that
Sam Darnold is in his prime, put up insane numbers
in a division and an NFC that was better this
year that it was the previous two years, and we're.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Going to negotiate with him.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
And I'm trying to figure out why they have JJ
McCarthy and people are like, well, the injury.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I watched these young athletes. They're always healthier in rehabs
sooner than later. I don't think it's an injury. I
think it's they're looking at Sam Donald and they're thinking, well,
I mean, the Niners drafted a quarterback, they never played
him much and they were fine, Like like you, I
mean RG three. You know, Washington moved off him to
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Kirk Cousins in the fourth round of the same draft
and they were fine. I just wonder if Kevin O'Connell's saying,
is everybody watching what happened like this guy was a
step below Josh Allen last year. You don't do that
out of luck or good fortune. Minnesota was not a
great roster. They had two really good receivers. So that's
the only thing. I mean, that's really the only thing
(40:38):
I can figure out in Minnesota right now, because the
story is, according to legitimate reporters, they're working on a
Sam Donald deal in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
They're working and.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
They're not doing franchise tag, which is a one year deal.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
They're working on a contract.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I mean, honestly, we sat there this morning, I'm like,
isn't Kevin O'Connell telling you. I mean, yesterday I theorized
they're just saying nice things about him to get him
on the market and pay him back for what he
did to the team. But when two legitimate reporters come
out and go, yeah, they're we're working on a deal
with Sam and it's not a franchise, maybe Kevin O'Connell
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is just saying, go look at the numbers. You're being
way too harsh on him. We watched Mahomes and Josh
Allen have terrible Sundays.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Okay, how about this.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Listening to you, I just internalized and I'm like, well,
what if Darnold looked around the.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Landscape and said, I don't want to go to Vegas.
Colts are nothing.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
I'm definitely not going back to New York. Hey, guys,
I'll stay in Minnesota on a cheap deal. Give me
twenty five thirty million, forget forty forty five.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
I don't need it.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I'll take a cheaper deal to stay here, and I'll
Tutor McCarthy. You know what if he's willing to take
less to stay in Minnesota because he loves it there.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Well, first of all, it's always been a you know,
it's funny they don't have Super Bowls, but I've never
thought of Minnesota as poorly owned or poorly run. They've
always been viable. They just you know, it's like I've
always thought of Minnesota Vikings. Because the Packers are in
their division, we don't talk about them a lot. I've
always thought they draft well, they developed, they're well owned.
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The will family never and you know, you don't. You
don't hear about chaos or nonsense. They always have. The
quarterback situation, I mean, I don't know. I just I
look at it and I think, if Kevin O'Connell is
willing to draft a quarterback and want to resign Donald,
then Donald's better than all of us are giving him
credit for. We are we are punishing him because he
didn't work with the Jets. Who works with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Nobody's doing that's that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well ask Karon Rodgers, who works with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Didn't you say Minnesota nice was like a thing? Is
that's like a known thing.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
I've never been to that part of the country. That's beautiful,
but I hear good things.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh, it's great, it's a great place. Our two next
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All Right, here we go. It is a Tuesday. We
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hour from now Peter Schrager giving us some updates on
NFL stories, the Steelers, the Jets, the Giants, all sniffing
around at quarterbacks, Raiders as well. Jmac sad story this morning.
(00:49):
Kyrie Irving tears his acl he got hurt last night.
Bad news, and so he's out for the year. And
it's over for the Mavericks. Done over for the Mavericks.
So we thought there was a chan if Ady got
healthy and Lively came back. There was a chance. When
I got this news fifteen minutes ago, it made me
(01:10):
think about something. So Lebron needs one more point to
score fifty thousand points. Obviously, he's the most productive player
in NBA history. One point shy from fifty thousand career points.
Nobody's ever done that, right. But one of the things
Lebron has and I've never seen anything like it, is intuition.
(01:32):
If he was a Sea captain and he was in
control of the Titanic, it would have never hit the iceberg.
I've never seen a guy that can see problems before
they happen. The biggest mess in the NBA is now
the Dallas Mavericks due to injuries, an awful trade, protests
outside the arena, prices are down forty percent. Fans just
(01:56):
sick to their stomach. Now you add on an injury,
they are You got a head coach that doesn't trust
the GM, fans who can't stand the GM. Dallas is
a complete mess. The Kyrie thing just adds to it. Awful, injury, awful,
and yet simultaneously, Man Lucas starting to really look good
(02:20):
and the Lakers are in the championship bubble. I mean,
think about the timing of Lebron. It's always come in
different forms and shapes. But think about this for a second.
He bailed on Cleveland. He said, I've been here seven years.
You can't get me another player.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
He leaves.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
He was right. He go, he wins titles, goes to
four straight finals, and Cleveland becomes an even bigger mess.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
He was right. Then his best friend's d Wade.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
He gets the four straight finals, but d Wade is
struggling to play back to backs, and like a good investor,
Lebron is always a year early better than a year late.
He leaves Miami, they fall off a cliff. He goes
to Cleveland and wins. Then Kyrie gets in his fields.
(03:08):
He carries you know, JR. Smith and some quirky guys,
hard to convince other pros to come to Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
He bails.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Cleveland goes into the take again, and Lebron goes to
Los Angeles. And in Los Angeles people say, oh, Lonzo Ball,
Kyle Kuzma, they got the brandon Ingram, but they got
really good young players. Lebron gets them out, gets a D,
wins another title.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
He's right again.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And then over the last couple of years, as Lebron ages,
Lebron privately, he did, and you know it was concerned
that a D could not get him easy Baskets. Ad
was a good teammate. They worked together, but they weren't perfect.
As Lebron aged and Lebron unlooked around the league and thought,
(04:02):
who can get me easier?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Baskets?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
The two best outlet guys are Jokic. He's locked up
in Denver and Luca, and he gets Luca and the
Lakers are now on fire. Ad immediately gets hurt. The
entire organization's a mess. Now I'm supposed to believe that
Lebron didn't know. I find that very hard to believe.
And you can call him selfish, but here's something you
(04:27):
have to call Lebron as well.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
He is always right. I've never seen anybody with this
kind of intuition. Everybody told him be loyal to Cleveland.
He was right, How can you bail on your buddy
d Wade?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
He was right, you're.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Going back to Cleveland. Cleveland can't win. He was right,
Los Angeles to broken franchise. Well, at least you got
good young teammates.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Now, he was right.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Ad was the star that just needed help. And then
AD's played a couple of really good years and he
stayed mostly healthy. And you know what that means. It
was time to sell the stock. You got your title.
He was finally consistently healthy, he was older, and Lebron's like,
I'm still a top five guy in the league. And
(05:22):
I think privately Lebron had said he's a good fit,
he's not the perfect fit. And I watched the Dallas
Mavericks become a mess over the last three weeks, and
you know, some of it's just bad luck. But in
my life of watching professional athletes, I'll say it again,
(05:45):
like it's he's a good investor. He's like Warren Buffett.
He's a year. He may be a little early, but
he's never late. He always knows when it's time to
move off. And it was funny when Luca came here
and again a d was really good for him, but
he was thirty two years old, and every Laker fan
(06:06):
would watch ad and be absolutely honest, weren't you always
holding your breath? Weren't you always holding your breath? Of
course you were now and Lebron does this. When he
went to Miami the first time, people said, hey, it's
not gonna work. It's clunky, you don't have a center.
It's not always pretty for Lebron. When he first goes
(06:29):
to a place. It's not always pretty. It's a little clunky,
but he made Miami right. Oh, Kyrie's a boss. Nobody
can play with him. He brings over Kevin Love. He's
a stat patter, not a winner. Took about a year
to get it right. He got it right that he
brings over A D. Had to get rid of the
young kids, little bumpy early, and then he got it right.
(06:51):
So I don't know if Luke is gonna win the
first year. But every time Lebron hits the crossroads, like Wade,
Bosh and Lebron, they were still good, and the cabs
were still good, and Lebron and A D were still good.
But Lebron seeks great, and I do believe he may
(07:14):
have been given a day or two heads up, But
I think he had grumbled privately that, as he aged,
Ad was a good fit but not a perfect fit,
that Lebron still had to always be the initiator of
the offense. And Lebron knew I'd rather be a receiver
on some nights, not just the quarterback. So as I
watched this just sad mess in Dallas, it reminds me
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a little bit of the mess in Cleveland, and the
mess in Miami and the mess in Cleveland, and nobody
avoids stepping in it. Like Lebron, start was perfect. The
takeoff can be bumpy, always makes the landing. Yeah, I
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mean the Dallas situation now, between ticket sales, the lack
of trust. I mean Mark Cuban, ask yourself this. Mark
Cuban a year ago said I'm gonna sell the franchise.
You don't think Lebron James looked at that and thought
Luca may be available. I really believe this. I absolutely
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believe this. I believe every time Lebron was around Luca.
Remember when Luca came into the NBA first year, Go
back and look at the tapes. Kid was twenty games in.
Lebron's like that kid's great. Lebron's like a talent scout.
Lebron's like that guy's great. He just make sure everybody
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around Luca knew that Lebron thought you were great. He
tried to get Steph Curry a couple of years ago.
Steph's like, now I'm a warrior. Remember he kept saying
nice things about Steph.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
What Steph do? Steph can initiate the offen.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Lebron can play off ball, Lebron can get easier basket.
So initially he wanted Staph and Steph wasn't available. Steph pushback.
Then he moved to Luca, slowly saying nice things. Keep
it in contact with Mark Cuban. Cuban leaves the Mavericks.
You know, Cuban and Luca, they were tight. What does
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Lebron see when Cuban leaves and opening and opening, you
lost your you lost your owner. New people in the
building may not trust him. Lebron saw it, made sure
the right people knew and he ends up playing with him. Uh.
I don't think it's a conspiracy theory. Too much of
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this stuff is public and well known. But how does
Lebron end up once again? He tried to go Steph
two years ago. I mean, good god, that was a
two year rumor. He made sure he does hang out
with Steph and see Steph and talk about Steph and
stepf was great. That was what he wanted to do,
and Staff's like, I must stay up here. Then he
moved through the channels and Mark Cuban Cuban sells. Lebron
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sees a moment I'm gonna go get him, and it
took a year of working the channels behind the scenes,
but the idea this was a big surprise caught everybody
off guard.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I don't buy it. I don't buy it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Lebron is his intuitiveness. You call it selfish, I call
it right. I've never seen a guy that. I mean,
stuff just implodes and Lebron's like, oh what happened back there?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Boy?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Did I get lucky? Wink wink?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I avoided another disaster?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Not ain't luck man.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I think he had this Lucat thing planned out the minute.
Steph Suid officially know. I think he had this Lucat
thing planned out the last year and a half. I
really do, I absolutely do.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
So we started hot take happy hour here on there.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's not even a hot time.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
This should be tinfoil hat Tuesdays because that is deep.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I know you're well in your bag here. I don't
hate it. I'll say that I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
How in the world can you go seven for seven
in your career?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
You know how you do that?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You're working the channels behind the scenes a year earlier.
Do you think Lebron just woke up in Cleveland and
decided to leave. No, he went to the Olympics. When
he went the first time in Cleveland, he played with
those Olympians and flying back, He's like, the hell am
I doing in Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I finally played with great players.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
He worked that Bosh d Wade thing for a year
and then all of a sudden they get to the
finals and they lose that thing, and pat Riley's getting
a little this, and I won't give you that, and
Lebron starts telling his guys this time, and all of
a sudden he gets a hold of Dan Gilbert. Dan
Gilbert flies and apologizes. Suddenly he finds his way a
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letter of Sports Illustrate. You think that thing happened in
six hours. And then he goes to Cleveland. Kyrie leaves
by that time, Gibert's like, you got me a title,
We're good. He goes to the Lakers again. Everybody thought
he would go Sixers. Everybody thought he would go Chicago.
Everybody he where's he go? The biggest brand Los Angeles.
By the time he got to Los Angeles, he had
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meetings with nine billionaires. Okay, and then the whole time
he likes Lonzo, he likes Kusma.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
He like, no, he didn't and he's working the channels.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
And by the way, the ad thing with Rich Paul,
who represented ad Rich Paul. I'm just saying this stuff
isn't happen, stands, It's not just random, and it's not
a criticism of it. Lebron is a great intuitive businessman.
He is selling the stock early, never late, and all
of a sudden, once again he's got the perfect teammate.
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The Mavericks are swimming in.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Chaos, ability to see around corners, see what's coming down
the pike. Lebron, Listen, you just made a case that
he might be the greatest executive in NBA history, the
way he's pulling the strings.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
And moving around everywhere. He goes everywhere.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
This is not a criticism. No, he bailed on Wade
and he was right. D Wade couldn't play back the
backs anymore. Bosh was having some physical stuff, but it
was mostly about d Wade.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
His Robin couldn't play. Remember those games against.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Indiana, d Wade would be great and the next day
you weren't sure if he could play in the next game.
And I'm all I'm saying with is Lucas stuff is
you look up today and it's like, are the Lakers,
the best team in the league after Boston. I think
the answer is yes, and I'm supposed to believe it's
just all happenstance. I think Lebron knew a year ago
he started swimming first Steph for a year plus. Steph
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turned him down. He said, who's my next target?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Luca? And I think it was.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Behind the scenes, and send a text and a little emoji,
just enough to let him know. Believe me, Lebron knows
everybody in the league back channel it make sure Luca.
And when Mark Cuban sold that team, Lebron James said,
there's my moment.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
That is my moment.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Because Cuban and Luca were tight, and Lebron the great
businessman said, I've got an opening.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
In my head.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I see Michael Douglass, remember the movie Wall Street. He
wakes up on the beach and he's got that clunky
cell phone and he calls Charlie Sheen and he goes Money.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Never sleeps, winning never sleeps for Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
He's always got something in play. The next move on
the chessboard, he knows it. Who call this great start
to it?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Tuesday? I'm fine, I'm just positive.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's it's conspiracy theories. Are you have to basically from
soup to notts a conspiracy theory. There's a couple of
loose fits. This is no a bunch of loose fits. Cleveland, Miami, Cleveland,
La Bailon Lonzo, the young players, A D Luca. This
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isn't this stuff all happened? And I I that this
the Luca thing is too perfect. It's just too perfect.
Lebron's basketball IQ. He looked around this league and he thought, Steph, Jokic, Luca,
those are the guys. Well, Yoka isn't going anywhere because
Denver will never give him up. Steph, I tried it,
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didn't want to go. Cuban sells the MAVs. There's my opening,
and I'm not hey, I've been called selfish. People get
called selfish if they care about their careers whatever.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
By the way, I invited Colin to hang out with
an NBA coach tomorrow night.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, Colin gave me the stiff arm. No, I'm busy.
I was like, all right, fine, fine, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I got any your big time. I got things.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
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Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, we're talking about the Kyrie Irving injury and what
I mess the Mavericks have been. I guess my overall
arching point is every team Lebron bails on goes into
the tank, and every star he moves off of goes
into a worse situation. And I mean it just Kyrie
Irving injury, by the way, because of all the injuries
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and because Luca shared offensive responsibilities, when you took Luca
away from the Mavericks, it forced Kyrie to play more minutes,
so it was very taxing on Kyrie's smaller body. Kyrie
since the Luca trade, I was just told, leads the
NBA in minutes played. So again, like this is another
reason you don't make that trade. So Kyrie, a small
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player who's had injuries, You're asking him to put so
much responsibility, so many minutes on his body with the
rest of the team beat up, that Kyrie's body gives
out after a while. So it just it is crazy
how often Lebron's timing is just perfect. I mean, the
minute he leaves a team, they fall off a cliff.
The minute he moves off a star, that star goes
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into a worse situation, or his year is bad, or
he's not the same player, or the circumstances are off,
and I just after a while, I don't think it's luck.
I just think Lebron's got an intuition. He sees problems
much better than most coaches or executives in the league.
There's an argument he's the best executive in the league.
I mean, you could make that argument. Lebron's the best
executive in the league. He has made that many smart moves.
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And I think he knew about the Luca thing. I
think he saw that thing the minute Cuban sold that team.
I think he saw it. There's an opening, go get
my guy. I prefer Staph maybe Jokic. They're not available,
and I tried with Steph. So I saw this, this story,
This is a big story yesterday, kind of infuriating to me.
So apparently in the combine over the weekend, you had
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these Shadeur Sanders, you know, the quarterbacks. They'll interview with teams,
and the report is Schadeur Sanders, who was a little brash.
According to Todd McShay. Two people that I spoke to
left the meeting with Shadur, and Shoudeur was not overly
concerned with what they thought of him.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Would you be?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You watched the Cleveland Browns the last ten years, so
this idea that he's going to drop in the draft
cracks me up. Tennessee, Cleveland, and the Giants all messes
that could need a quarterback, could use a quarterback, and
should draft one. These teams one of them, two of
them are all three of them apparently didn't love what
they heard from Shador Sanders. So I want you to
(18:18):
think about this. Let's just take the New York Giants.
Go back to Week twelve, twenty seventeen season. It's kind
of the end of Eli Manning. He has a terrible
game against Washington. The Giants are two and nine. He's
awful until today, March fourth. That is three hundred and seventy.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Nine weeks.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That you knew that Eli Manning was washed until today
and you still are a disaster at quarterback. And you
think Shador Sanders in an interview is supposed to walk
in there and be blown away, and that you as
a team have the leverage. You think Cleveland has leverage,
you think Tennessee has leverage. It's okay to sometimes admit
(19:06):
as a business, the employee may have more leverage.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So this idea that this kid who grew up rich
because of Nil got richer and who's really good and
you're a terrible franchise either Tennessee, Cleveland or New York,
that he didn't bow down to you because Shador Sanders realizes,
let's say it's the New York Giants or Cleveland, you're
a hurdle to his success. He'll be successful if he
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goes to Pete Carroll, Chip, Kelly, brock Bauers and Cap Space.
The Giants are a hurdle, an impediment to success. So
this idea that you're desperate and you think you have
all the leverage. No, Caleb Williams had some leverage, cam
Ward has some leverage. It's over that the employee doesn't
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have any leverage.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
In my busines.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
In pro football, college athletes, now, the coach doesn't have
all the leverage. And I think there's executives and coaches.
Rick Battino said this the other day, Saint John's coach adapt.
You can complain or you can adapt. You know, the
late Bobby Knight would complain about transfer portal, or you
can adapt John Calipari to his credit, It's like Okay,
(20:23):
one and done.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
That's how I get the best players.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I can grumble and complain about it, or I can
like Rick Battino, we don't even recruit high schoolers. I
can complain about it or just adapt. And so it's
kind of infuriating to me.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I don't know. I mean, Schador Sanders grew up rich
and il got rich.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, I'm sorry he didn't come in desperate, but this
idea that these kids, now, these these quarterbacks and a
bad quarterback class, and he may be the best one
and you are a tire fire of a franchise, and
you know he came in here. I mean, the quote
from mcsay is actually funny. You know.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
The quote is is that.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
They left the meeting feelings should do or was not
overly concerned with what they thought of him? Well, I mean,
they thought Daniel Jones was great, they thought giving Deshaun
Watson a guaranteed contract was brilliant. Somebody drafted Will Levis.
I wouldn't be overly concerned if I was a quarterback
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with three teams that don't appear to know what the
hell they're doing. I'm sorry he gets a little say two,
you're bringing your attitude because he doesn't come in and.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Bow down to you.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
The business doesn't always have all the leverage. Now it's
twenty twenty five. Sometimes the employee has a little bit,
you know. Sometimes you know, I was talking to a
friend the other day and there are two companies battling
for him, and one of the companies was sort of
outraged that he wasn't just totally to them, and he said, well,
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I've got another company that's a bigger company offering more money.
Like the day you're you're if you're an employer and
you think you have all the leverage, or you're in
an NFL team and think you have all the leverage.
I mean, I think Shador Sanders and cam Ward they
would like to be passed on by Tennessee Cleveland and
the Giants. They'd rather go to a winning franchise. JJ
(22:25):
McCarthy bo Nick's best thing that ever happened to him.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
He fell to Sean Payton J McK with a news no,
no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
All right, Colin, We're gonna start with that disappointing news
where Kyrie Irving has suffered a season ending torn acl
happened right there on that plague driving to the hoop
last night.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Really bummer, just a bummer for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Kyrie ended up shooting the free throws while crying on
the line. It had like a feel of Kobe Bryant,
remember when.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
He popped his achilles and.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Joe he was playing so many minutes now without lou Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
You know this is a listen this. I don't want
to crush the guy.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
But Nico Harrison pushed all the wrong but yeah, he
legitimately thought, oh, we can move off Luca.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
We're fine, We've got Kyrie. That's not holy.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And the problem with Dallas right now is Kyrie is
their only playmaker Spencer din when he can get shots.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
But whereas the.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Lakers have Austin Reeves, Luca and Lebron, they have three playmakers,
so the paul can be in three different players hands.
The Mavericks now without Luca, the ball's always in Kyrie's hands,
and now that their centers are banged up, he had
to play more minutes and carry more of the offense.
So it's just yeah, I feel you know, Kyrie can
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not not my favorite player, but he's absolutely historically gifted.
And this organization now is the biggest mess. Do you
think Phoenix has issues?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Oh wait a minute, Phoenix and Finfili are in really
bad spots.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Dallas can turn around next year.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Everybody will start the season healthy, They'll be fine. I
just go back to Nico Harris's movement. We can move
off Luca and be fine. And literally everything has gone
terribly for them since that trade between eighties injury, Gafford
got hurt.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Now Kyrie's out for the higg and sales lamited.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Last night. They're getting blasted.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah, I mean they lose by thirty last night at
home in the third quarter. Fans just a mass exodus
start leaving the stadium.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I don't know what to say.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Man, this is between the Cowboys being a dumpster fire
and now Dallas.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Everybody's hurt. You go to the finals. I'm sorry they're
not stating at least.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Phoenix can start over.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I mean this thing, Look at this, Look at people
heading to the exits like this organization now is.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And again it's not just the Kyrie injury.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I mean Kyrie was the last little bit of hope.
But we had said this, you couldn't take them seriously
as a big playoff team.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
They're just it's just.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Are the Dallas Stars in hockey still in Dallas?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Maybe there's some hope there.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Rangers will be Okay.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
It's a terrible feel.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I mean, Colin, remember six eight months ago they were
in the NBA finals.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
They were in the finals.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Yeah, and now it's all downhill. It's terrible stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
No, this is why guys like Lebron are always willing
to move off, because there are bad executives all over sports.
I mean the Cleveland Browns gave to Shaun Watson, they
totally guaranteed contract. There are terrible executives. Daniel Jones was
not only a reach at number six, they gave him
an extension and let Saque well.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Is that the executive of the only Well, I'm just whatever.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
It is.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
All I'm saying is when you see certain players like
Brady wanted to control and Lebron wants to control it,
you know why, because they're better than the executives often
making those decisions.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
By the way, do you think Mark Cuban would have
traded Luca no, you could go with hell.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
There's zero chance that was happening.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
No, sah.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Next story is Matt Stafford and his decision to restructure
his deals day with the Rams. Huge sigh of relief
for Sean McVay, who was pleased by the decision when
he talked.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
To reporters yesterday.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Obviously that was always the end, go on, mind, We've
always had great dialogue, and I think it's really kind
of been a year to year thing. He's obviously under
contract for two more years with us, but as long
as he wants to play. I know we're feeling really
good that and I think ultimately it's about the partnership
and how important it is, you know, to have him
leading the way, and so couldn't be more grateful, really
excited about it, and been sleeping better these last couple
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of days.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, you know the Rams.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I was told after the show yesterday. Listen, he was
still in a contract. You have to give us a
first rounder and something. The Raiders kicked the tires and
would not go there, which I think is a mistake.
I would have given up a first rounder for Matt
Stafford absolutely, with Chip Kelly Brockbauer's pet Carol future this
current it doesn't matter. Oh oh, I would give up
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a first for a star.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Quarterback who's in his late thirties.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Again, this is not nineteen eighty four. Lebron Att forty
is great.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Oh, Matt Stafford's on Lebron stop.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Well, Matt Stafford last year was outstanding.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
He is very welcome.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Other good news for the Rams, Jordan Schultz reported Jackson
the left tackle has been signed.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
They're going to keep him.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
So it's fit a nice little start to the week
for the Rams here keeping Stafford, keeping their left tackle.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I think they have some interior line issues.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Maybe they got to sort out at center, but otherwise,
now they just need your target receiver.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
In the draft, well, they have to get a corner.
They will get an offensive tackle, probably in the third
or fourth because Rob Havenstein's getting old. But it's basically
they need a they need a weapon on the perimeter.
They need a corner, probably an inside linebacker, and they're
ready to vuy for a title.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
They might need two weapons.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
And Higbee always hurt, right, so you probably need a
tight end.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
So the Rams are need some pieces.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Would you put them in the top six in the
NFC right now?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I would put them in the top six in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Wait a minute, NFL. Yes, okay, so let's take Bill's
Chiefs Ravens off the table. They're top three obviously.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Yeah, Eagles Super Bowl defends.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
That's four lions and then Rams just say it out loud. McVay, Stafford, great.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Defense, forty nine Ers, bounce back.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Packers, McVeigh, Stafford, mc.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Great Ington, Commanders, mobile weight.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Still an average roster got a hit in about six round.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Top six NFL.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, I don't think it was any question about that
A Bowl. Well, I mean, at the end of last year,
who gave Philadelphia game one game?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I mean for the second half was close? First half?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Well, who you know?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
They played four quarters. That's how the support works.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Okay, Well, the final final story, Colin is Deebo Samuel
going to the Commanders for that fifth round pick.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
The reports Debo might have had some ill will toward
the Niners.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
But he took to social media to shoot down the rumors.
Niners know where I stand with them. It's nothing belove,
love Lynch, shit handed death, no bad blood in no way,
shape or form. They know I'm more than appreciative of
everything they've done for me as a player and as
a man.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Nothing belove.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Deebo also did address his weight concerts. Remember last year
people said he was looking a little little tubby.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Well he was.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Playing at two twenty five last season, the Niners wanted
him at to ten to twelve, So Niners a little
bit of a gripe, right, Deevo was not in his
playing weight. He did throw a pun shit remember at
the backup or the holder on the kicker.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Ye for that play late in the game.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I mean it was time for him to go. I
think he probably keeps weight on because as they use
him as a running back, he wants to be a
heavier player.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well they have, They have.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Eckler and Robinson at running back, so I don't hopefully
they don't. I don't think he's at this stage. I
don't think he can carry a load as a running back.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Right, Well, he'll be a chess piece. He's he's not
a beat people down the field receiver. He is the
late Well it's it's a little bit like the late
Aaron Hernandez. He was a tight end on resume, but
he could be. You could put him in the backfield.
You could put him in constant motion jet sweeps. I
think Devo is just he's a really good football player.
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I wouldn't label him as a wide receiver. He's just
a really good football player that a smart play designer
can figure out how to get eight touches a game.
And he's great, hard to bring down, great after the catch,
almost impossible. First man to hit him, almost never brings
him down.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
I saw one of these YAK stats then the last
four seasons, Debo is number one by a mile.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Jamar Chase was number two.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
And you know if you line up Debo in the
backfield to start to play and then motion him out,
which Kingsbury will do, and Jayden Daniels says, oh, that's
a linebacker on Deebo, Samuel, you know, barbecue chicken. We're
going right to him. It's game over, and I think
we're gonna see a lot of that with Deebo. Remember
motivated after getting kicked to the.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Curb by the Niners. This is a home run. All
these people.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Online, oh Deebo's washed, I wouldn't know them.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I think this is a great great get.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
J Mickle the news.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
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Warriors won again last night with Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Butler's not even playing well.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I mean, honestly, that's what's crazy, Lucas not being that
consistently great. He's still playing in the shape. Jimmy Butler
shooting eleven percent on threes and the Warriors are eight
and one with him. We'll talk about what he brings
to the table. It's not just production. Now.
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Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I believe in analytics, but there are certain players that
are just a good vibe. They're just good energy in
the room. And it's like that's Jimmy Butler, like in
Golden State. Staff's like showing off, like me, you're a
good hang. It's a good hang. I'm gonna tell a story.
(32:34):
Let me tell a story before we go.
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Speaker 1 (32:57):
So, like, if you're ever gonna go, like on a
Vegas trip with buddies or a golf trip with buddies,
there's a saying or a question you often ask when
you're organizing it.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Is he a good hang?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Can you hang around him for four or five days?
A lot of guys are a bad hang. They're cheap,
they're weird, they're needy, they drink too much, they say
inappropriate stuff. They're not ill meaning, But like, are they
a good hang? If you're gonna be with guys for
five days, you're going on a rafting trip or a
Vegas trip, are they a good hang? Some people just
bring really good energy. They're easy to be around. They
(33:32):
may be intense, but they're just something about it. The analytics,
said Jimmy Butler to the Warriors may not be a
perfect fit.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
They're now eight and one. They're eight and one.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
The night that Steph had fifty six, Jimmy Butler had five.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
It's like Steph Curry's taking one more shot of games
since Jimmy Butler arrived and averaging seven more points. I
looked at the stats turnover differential. Warriors are now first
in the league assists the game first, free throw percentage first, Like,
it's just good vibes. He's just good juice. He's tough,
he's intentional, he's physical. In the NFL, we call these
(34:07):
force multipliers. They're just guys you put in a room
and they make everybody better. And a lot of times
analytics can't capture this stuff. Analytics will like certain guys
and I'm like, yeah, they're a bad hang. It's bad energy.
And that's why I kept saying, just get Jimmy Butler
on the Warriors. I'm watching the Warriors play. Steph had
no energy. Nothing against Draymond. Draymond's not a big score.
(34:29):
It's like they just they just needed a second behind
their ace. And sometimes you need a great motivational speaker.
You have a Tony Robbins come in and talk to
your company. It's nothing against your boss, it's nothing against
Steve Kerr.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
But I mean it's the NBA.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
There's if you get to the playoffs, there's one hundred
games a year, how many times can you give a
pep talk? And this team just needed juice, It just
needed good vibes. And Andrew Wiggins was sort of Jimmy
Butler is the He's the anti Andrew Wiggins. He comes
with physicality, intensity, even a shoot around, like you never
(35:09):
have to ask, is Jimmy Butler on the floor. And
I'd said this for years about Jimmy Andrew Wiggins. I'd
seen him play live four or five times. He could
drop twenty eight points when he was at Minnesota, I
never knew if he was on the floor, Like you
always know when Jimmy Butler's on the floor, he's getting fouled,
he's fouling, he's getting to the line, he's trash talking.
And it's the same with Lebron and Luca. Lebron like
(35:29):
has a new energy and a new joy. Steph Curry's
plan out of his mind. Even guys like Michael Jordan
and Kobe sometimes had to create obsessed guys had to
create motivation. And I mean Steph Curry, how fired up
kind of guy that's going to be first bout Hall
of Fame. Get trying to be a tent seed so
right now they are in the playoffs, and I've said this,
(35:50):
here is my NBA.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Finals bubble.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I think there are six teams, Warriors, OKC, Nuggets, Celtics,
Cabs can win the championship.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Nicks.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I feel like just may not be able to defend
the pick and roll good enough. Robinson's back, they'll be
better defensively. I don't buy Houston. They can't shoot, and
I don't I don't buy Memphis. I still think they're
too young. But here's here is Steve kerr On on
Jimmy Butler and what he brings.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
I think they compliment each other really well. Jimmy's a
phenomenal all around basketball player, two way player. He's at
his best when the ball is moving. I think we
can do a better job of getting him involved. It
was still a work in progress, but I love Jimmy's
fit here. I think he's he's perfect next to Steph
(36:49):
and Dre and it's showing. Obviously. I think we're eight
and one since we got him with him in the lineup.
That's not by accident.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, it's not at all.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
One NFL story and I was confused about this yesterday
as a staff This morning, we're kind of trying to
figure out this jigsaw puzzle in Minnesota with Sam Darnold,
and I don't have a real strong take because any
take I could have could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
They could franchise tag him. I don't think they will.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Tom Paul Sero and Ian Rapaport are reporting yesterday they're
working on a deal with Sam Darnold, and it is no.
That's what. It's a crazy story because they drafted JJ McCarthy,
they have Daniel Jones, and they're working on a deal.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
So it's funny. I think we forget this.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Josh Allen was the MVP last season, right, it was
going to be Lamar or Josh Allen. You do realize
that Josh Allen last year had a couple of stinkers.
He went nine for thirty in a game against Houston
and had a fifty six passer rating.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Remember that game.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
He also was awful against the no touchdown, two picks
at a passer rating of sixty.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
That's the MVP.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
We watched Patrick Mahomes struggle twice against the Raiders and
be awful against the Eagles. Let's just remember that we
have to be totally honest about this. Let's just talk
about last year with Minnesota a team pick for fourth. Okay,
Sam Donald played with a roster that wasn't as good
as mahomes roster and wasn't as good as Josh Allen's roster.
(38:27):
Let's look at the splits on Sam Donald. I think
what Kevin O'Connell is saying is this guy's insanely talented.
We're not sure JJ McCarthy is as good as him.
So if you start looking at Sam Donald last year, yes,
he had a couple of really bad games, but in
(38:47):
the first sixteen games of the year, thirty five touchdowns,
twelve picks, fourteen and two sixty eight percent completion percentage
by the way, he lost his left tackle midway through this,
and a passer rating at one oh six and a half. Yes,
did he lose to the Rams they had a better roster.
Did he lose to the Lions in Detroit Game of
(39:09):
the Decade? Yes, they had a better roster. So I
mean go back to Mahomes and Josh Allen that had,
you know, better rosters. They had awful games, and so
I think, and Minnesota was picked for third or fourth.
Remember they're over under. Was was it like six or something.
So I think what Kevin O'Connell is saying is, listen, guys,
(39:33):
don't go crazy on the last two games. Is that
Sam Darnold is in his prime, put up insane numbers
in a division and an NFC that was better this
year that it was the previous two years, and we're.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Going to negotiate with him.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
And I'm trying to figure out why they have JJ
McCarthy and people are like, well, the injury.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I watched these young athletes. They're always healthier in rehabs
sooner than later. I don't think it's an injury. I
think it's they're looking at Sam Donald and they're thinking, well,
I mean, the Niners drafted a quarterback, they never played
him much and they were fine, Like like you, I
mean RG three. You know, Washington moved off him to
(40:16):
Kirk Cousins in the fourth round of the same draft
and they were fine. I just wonder if Kevin O'Connell's saying,
is everybody watching what happened like this guy was a
step below Josh Allen last year. You don't do that
out of luck or good fortune. Minnesota was not a
great roster. They had two really good receivers. So that's
the only thing. I mean, that's really the only thing
(40:38):
I can figure out in Minnesota right now, because the
story is, according to legitimate reporters, they're working on a
Sam Donald deal in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
They're working and.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
They're not doing franchise tag, which is a one year deal.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
They're working on a contract.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I mean, honestly, we sat there this morning, I'm like,
isn't Kevin O'Connell telling you. I mean, yesterday I theorized
they're just saying nice things about him to get him
on the market and pay him back for what he
did to the team. But when two legitimate reporters come
out and go, yeah, they're we're working on a deal
with Sam and it's not a franchise, maybe Kevin O'Connell
(41:13):
is just saying, go look at the numbers. You're being
way too harsh on him. We watched Mahomes and Josh
Allen have terrible Sundays.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Okay, how about this.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Listening to you, I just internalized and I'm like, well,
what if Darnold looked around the.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Landscape and said, I don't want to go to Vegas.
Colts are nothing.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
I'm definitely not going back to New York. Hey, guys,
I'll stay in Minnesota on a cheap deal. Give me
twenty five thirty million, forget forty forty five.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
I don't need it.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I'll take a cheaper deal to stay here, and I'll
Tutor McCarthy. You know what if he's willing to take
less to stay in Minnesota because he loves it there.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Well, first of all, it's always been a you know,
it's funny they don't have Super Bowls, but I've never
thought of Minnesota as poorly owned or poorly run. They've
always been viable. They just you know, it's like I've
always thought of Minnesota Vikings. Because the Packers are in
their division, we don't talk about them a lot. I've
always thought they draft well, they developed, they're well owned.
(42:08):
The will family never and you know, you don't. You
don't hear about chaos or nonsense. They always have. The
quarterback situation, I mean, I don't know. I just I
look at it and I think, if Kevin O'Connell is
willing to draft a quarterback and want to resign Donald,
then Donald's better than all of us are giving him
credit for. We are we are punishing him because he
didn't work with the Jets. Who works with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Nobody's doing that's that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well ask Karon Rodgers, who works with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Didn't you say Minnesota nice was like a thing? Is
that's like a known thing.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
I've never been to that part of the country. That's beautiful,
but I hear good things.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh, it's great, it's a great place. Our two next
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