February 25, 2025 • 42 mins
Thoughts on the Luka Doncic facing the Mavericks for the first time tonight
Shedeur Sanders has fallen off down the upcoming drafting rating to #7
The NBA talking heads need to stop living in the past glories and appreciate now
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Here we go. It is a Tuesday live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Tonight is the night. Tonight is the night Luca Dante,
the newest Laker in Los Angeles, and the team that
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traded him away Shockingly, the Dallas Mavericks, limp into town
with all their bigs injured. This has the potential to
get really ugly. Jmack is going to this one. I'll
be locked on a smoking a stag, maybe knocking down
a jin and soda, checking out what will be a
spectacle in Los Angeles tonight. And this is a city.
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Over the last several years between Mookie Betts and Freeman
and Shoeo Tani and Lincoln Riley and Jim Harbaugh and
lost stars coming to town. J Mac tonight is gonna
be interesting. So Luka Dantach at home hosting the MAVs.
You're gonna officially see how awful this trade was. Luca's
gonna be inspired, He's gonna be ticked off, and JJ
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Reddick and Lebron James are gonna make sure he eats.
They're gonna feed him the ball all night. This is
gonna be the New York Giants against Saquon Barkley. This
is gonna be dinner with your ex and she upgraded.
You're gonna be wondering if you're Dallas, what was I thinking?
Where did it all go wrong? It sets up to
be a blood bath potentially because Dallas all their bigs
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are hurt. So Luca's gonna score anyway he wants. And
I said this, if the Mavericks would have gotten Anthony Davis,
Austin Reeves and three first round picks, I still wouldn't
have made the deal. But I but I could. I
you know, he's hurt conditioning, maybe I'd sleep a little
better at night, but giving him away for one pick
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for Anthony Davis and he is not twenty six years
old yet he's got two more days to be twenty five.
And here's the thing, the thing I'm thinking about this morning. Yes,
Saquon Barkley to the Eagles was a huge gaff by
Joe Shane the Giants gym. But Saquon Barkley's a running back.
They don't last forever thirty two years old. They can
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be out of the game thirty three years old. They
retire soon, So you don't have to sit and watch
this forever. Luca's twenty five. If he gets the conditioning right,
he could be dropping thirty three points a night for
the next fourteen years. And the other thing, He's in
the Western Conference, so Luca could be keeping Dallas because
I actually like Dallas' roster, Ad Kyrie, their size, their coach.
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I actually like Dallas's roster. But there's a real opportunity
here for the Lakers to bounce the Mavericks out for years.
And this is a player that is just in two
days turning twenty six. So years ago, about fifteen straight
years out of college. I used to have a dream
that haunted me and it may lasted twenty years. And
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this thing woke me up in a sweat about three
times a month. I had this dream that I was
going to take a college final and I wasn't prepared,
and I had this dream all the time. And just
think about it this way, Luca is advanced calculus, and
the Mavericks Nico Harrison is going to spend the next
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twelve to thirteen years waking up at least two to
three times a month in a sweat. That's why, if
you're gonna trade Luca, you gotta get assets, you gotta
get Amo, you gotta get him out of your conference.
He can't get in the way of keeping you from trophies.
So tonight's the night. Dirk Nevinsky previously in Dallas their
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greatest player ever. Uh, he'll be here tonight, and he
has been in LA several times to support Luca.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I felt a little disappointed and sad for him, you know,
I thank you. Obviously didn't see this coming. So he
invited me to come out to his first game in LA,
and I felt like I had to support him. It
was reported that he was pretty obviously down and disappointed
how how it went down, and so I wanted to
be there for him. I wanted to just be there
for his family and then show support. It was weird.
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It was surreal to see him play for the Lakers,
and so at the end of the day, I mean,
I'll ever be a Lakers fan, but it was always
be a Luca fan.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Uh, Tonight is a spectacle. We've been lucky in Los Angeles.
We've just had big coaches and you know, Stafford to
town and harbaught a town and oh hey, moves up
the I five, and here comes Freddie Freeman from Atlanta,
and here comes Molky Bets and now it's Luca in
our lap and facing his Mavericks hobbling into town. Tonight.
Can't wait. So mel Kiper, maybe you've heard of him,
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has a big mock draft and he released it today
and a lot of people are surprised that Shadeur Sanders,
who people you know. During the college football season, many
people speculated he go number one. He's going number seven
in the mock draft of the New York Jets. And
I was thinking about this this morning. That's about where
he should go. I think he's a good B plus prospect.
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I think he's a good kid. He's accurate. But my
favorite part about Shador Sanders is not It's not that
his dad is Dion it's not that he was one
of the first guys that made big nil money. Actually,
my favorite part isn't his strength. He's really accurate. You
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want to know my favorite part of Shaduur Sanders The
last two years he has been the most sacked college
quarterback out of every single Power five school. Well, it
gets worse. In the last two years he had the
worst running game of any other quarterback in Power five conferences.
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This is Andy du Frayne escaping from Shawshank. This kid
has been through a tunnel. Okay, this kid has swam
through a tunnel. You know what. And there's a reason
that there aren't a lot of great Ohio State quarterbacks
in the NFL, and not a lot of great Notre
Dame quarterbacks, USC quarterbacks, Texas quarterbacks, Georgia quarterbacks. Why is that?
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Why is that? Yet cal the Golden Bears have given
us GoF and Aaron Rodgers. North Carolina State gave us
Philip Rivers, gave us Russell Wilson. Eastern Illinois gave us
Garoppolo and Tony Romo. Why is that? Josh Allen's from Wyoming,
Patrick Mahomes is from Texas Tech, Lamar Jackson from a
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basketball school Louisville. Why is that? It's because of what
Shadeur Sanders faced a tunnel of crap. Is that the
reality is when you go to an Ohio State, you
take a three strep, three step drop, hit a receiver,
a five star receiver on a drag route. He goes
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for forty eight yards. It's easy living. Go back to
Matt Lionerd at USC. How many times was he sacked?
I mean one time one year, it was eleven times.
It's not a real life that you'll face in the NFL,
especially if you're a top ten lottery pick. You go
to bad teams in battle lines, and bad receivers and
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often really bad coaches. That is why Big Ben didn't
go to Ohio State. He was overlooked by them, Miami
of Ohio. Drew Brees didn't go to Texas, he was
overlooked by them. He went to Purdue Mahomes all those
guys from cal Shadeur Sanders has had to manufacture offense.
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And that's what happens in the NFL. Even if you're
Patrick Mahomes, because you make so much money, you don't
have an elite offensive left tackle and you have to
manufacture stuff because you have to let Tyreek Hill go.
Philadelphia is an outlier. They pay the quarterback and they're loaded.
The reality is in the NFL, if you're a top
ten quarterback, you usually go to a lousy roster or
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a really bad smell in the organization, and then once
you do get paid, you're going to be limited on
actually what they can put around you. I mean, that's
the downside to being a lottery pick. But Shadoor Sanders,
the most sat quarterback, the worst running game. This kid's
ready for it. It's not that his dad's deon. It's
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not that he was the first NIL star or second.
It's not that he's really accurate. He's lived a real
life in the NFL. I mean, Caleb Williams high school
and college, everything was easy. He goes to Chicago. That's
a real life. The coach, the coordinators, the roster, you're
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o line. The media is not in your corner. So
I look at shit or Sanders, and I looked it
up this morning and he's seventh in Mel Kuiper's draft.
That's exactly. That's exactly, by the way, if you look
at the top seven teams in the NFL, draft, I
could argue the Jets have the best roster. You gonna
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fall a little. Oh, they got a number one receiver
and a number one back, and they have a left
tackle from Penn State. And they've got maybe the best
corner or second best corner in the league. And they've
got a top linebacker. Now they got a new coaching staff.
But I would argue falling in the draft of the Jets,
it's a better roster than Tennessee or the Giants, or
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Cleveland or the Raiders. So I looked up the compos
rankings of Colorado that Shador Sanders played with. It was
even with BYU SMU and Arizona State. And there are
two quarterbacks in this draft that are ready to play
day one, cam Ward and Shador Sanders. And the biggest
reason is he's lived a real NFL life, running for
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his life with no running game for two years and
having to manufacture offense. Jmack, you are very fired up.
I would ask you where you got your tickets. I
hopefully you had to pay for him. You didn't get freebie,
so you can relate to people. But you are going
to the game tonight, and I'm a little jealous but
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I'm going to sit back watch and my guess is
Luca goes for forty four. Well, they don't have any
rim protection. Dallas's bigs are all hurt. But the other
thing is, you know, JJ Reddick and Lebron James are
going to feed him the ball for forty minutes. He
is going to get the ball, They're going to initiate offense.
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This is going to be one of those you know,
you just do guys a solid. It's almost like when
Lebron would play Cleveland in Miami. It's like, we're gonna
make sure we get in the ball. We're gonna make
sure it's a solid.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, you think he's maybe dieting today, a little uh,
intermittent fasting, not eating a little like a little slimmer
to just shove it in the face of the math boy.
It's tough to be a Dallas Mavericks fan right now.
How about a Dallas sports fan right now? Colin Cowboys
are in turmoil.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I was in Chicago this weekend and I was talking
to a couple of Chicago sports fans. They are going through.
People in Los Angeles are spoiled. We are I mean,
I mean, there has been about an eight year run.
I mean, think of our football coaches we've had, Chip Kelly,
Lincoln Riley, Jim Harbaugh, Sean McVay. Our quarterbacks would have
been Caleb Williams, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff got shipped out
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of town, he wasn't good enough, and Justin.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Herbert not not bad.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
No, So it's and all of a sudden, Luca falls
in the lap of the Lakers. So it is Tonight's
gonna be a big night in La huge massive.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
I'll go triple double for Luca, thirty two point triple double.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
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Speaker 1 (12:11):
Is that you've seen everything like four times and that
you tend not to overreact to stuff, and you realize
that sports is very cyclical, and let me just give
you an advantage. Boxing used to be a much bigger deal,
but it was poorly run. UFC was brilliantly run by
Dana White and the Fertida family. UFC killed boxing. It'll
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never return. Horse Racing used to be bigger, too many controversies.
Tennis just went through a twenty year run of Nadal,
Feeder and Djokovic, maybe the three best players ever. Men's
tennis will never duplicate that again. That will never happen.
Sometimes great happens Tiger Woods in golf. Literally, the Sopranos,
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the NFL, and Tiger Woods. The only thing that got
me to a TV on Sunday. I would race home
to see Tiger Woods. If I did stuff in the
morning on a Saturday or a Sunday. I've never done
that in my entire life. There'll be no more Tigers.
I mean, I love Dustin Johnson, Brooks, Koepka, I like
all of them. It's not Tiger Woods. He was a
meteor for ten to twelve years. It's okay. Sports are cyclical.
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Take the NFL out. It's our English Premier League. We
watch it. It's perfect for TV and we bet it
like crazy, and many of us played it. Take the
English Premier League out. Cricket used to be much bigger
in England. It's called their national pastime. It takes four days.
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Nobody's waiting four days for a result from this warning event.
It's died. Mostly Baseball up and down, huge in the seventies,
not as big in the eighties, really quiet for twenty years,
and now they've got all the stars lined up in
the big markets and they just set ratings and they've
sped the game up. There's been a lot of talk
about the NBA, and it should be noted before I
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give you this SoundBite. They just signed an eleven year,
seventy six billion, billion dollar deal. There's an old saying
about the Bible, treat others as you want to be treated.
Everything else in it is just commentary, And there's a
saying in sports, just get the contract. Everything else's noise.
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Adam Silver, the owners and the players eleven year, seventy
six billion. But there's a lot of critics about the NBA,
and Channing Fry, never afraid to have a strong opinion, says,
this is what's killing the league.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Nostalgia is killing the NBA. That nineties basketball Michael Jordan
and Kobe was not as clean as y'all think it was.
Every great player, whether that's Aunt wemby Ron, you know, Steph,
this this that you know, they compare them to a
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month forty years ago. The rules weren't even the same.
Nobody celebrates these new people, So why the would anybody
want to be the face of this league. You're gonna
get don on every network for not being somebody from
forty years ago. Brown is one of the greatest players
ever to play. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest
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players ever to play. Jannis is one of the great
Jokic and you know what we do. We talk about
Michael Jordan. All this superstar era is over.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, yes this is true, and TV ratings are down,
but I saw this this morning that basketball this past
year had eighteen billion views across social media. Far and
away the most people are watching it. Differently, the NBA
isn't hockey. I talked about it yesterday the first time
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in two years. You know what I'm not talking about
on Today's show hockey? We talk basketball. Every show like
mine talks basketball. We played it. If we don't like
pro basketball, we used to. If we don't like it now,
we still like March badness. We all shot a ball.
Few of us shot a puck. The NBA is part gossip, infighting, drama, rumors.
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It's like those magazines at the cashier at every grocery store.
The NBA is the Kardashians plus People magazine plus US Weekly. Yes,
they need to do some tweaking. Like baseball, they're slow
to it. They need to shorten the playoff series from
seven games in our first rounder to three five make
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the games more urgent. Eighty two games feels long. How
about sixty eight? How about fine players seven figures suspend
them for two and three week periods without pay for
load management, which is just egregiously outrageously nauseating. NFL players
play hurt every Sunday in blizzards. You have an ice
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cream headache and you have to sit out. Give me
a break. It's gross. But the good news is the Knicks,
the Celtics, and the Lakers, the three biggest brands, are
now all good and they're all ascending. The number one
player in this next draft is Cooper Flag from Duke.
By the way, this next draft is a domestic draft.
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Lots of kids from Duke in Carolina. So yes, I
think there's too many three point shots. I think they
should cap it at maybe fifteen or eighteen perteen. Then
no matter where you shoot it, it's worth two points. Yes,
I think they should shorten either the season or playoffs,
But we talk basketball. They just signed an eleven year
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seventy six billion dollar deal. If I sell my whole
house and I get the bag on it and it
goes down when you own it, that's a U problem.
I got it, it was when I lived in it.
They got the bag, they got the contract. Adam Silver's happy,
the players are happy, the owners are happy. Do I
think NBC overpaid for it? I do. Do I think
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Amazon overpaid for it? I do? But in the end,
this is a sport that we watched it in high school.
One of the best sports movies arguably is Hoosiers. We
still watch March Madness. Women's basketball has Caitlin Clark and
it's growing. The NBA is well financed, and love it
or hate it like the Kardashians, it's relevant. We talk
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about it all the time, and yesterday was the first
time in two years this show and many others talks hockey.
What you want to be in sports because everybody knows
the NFL is the sun. Everything gets its heat from
the NFL. Everything rotates around it. Get the NFL out
of here and in England and the UK, get the
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English Premier League. Go. Everything is second place. So starting
in second place. College football, I love it. Baseball on
a heater. NBA at least socially and culturally very relevant. Yes,
we talked too much about Michael Jordan, but Michael Jordan's
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the greatest basketball player probably ever. Michael Jordan was the coolest,
he was the best dressed, he was the best looking,
He was the most relentless. He went six for six
in the finals. It's okay, but this idea that we
don't talk about Steph, Yeah, we do all the time.
I've done five hundred segments on Steph. Well, we don't
reward Jokic. He should have won three straight MVPs. He's
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just kind of a boring player. So was Kareem in
his prime. Sometimes Biggs don't want to talk. Shack's an outlier.
The league's fine ratings are down. It needs to be tweaked.
But when Michael Jordan left, the ratings went down fifty percent,
and it wasn't about politics. It was about they missed Michael.
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Take the NFL out and look at how cyclical sports is.
Boxing's dead horse, racing's less relevant. Radio is not the
water cooler topic it used to be. Soccer is bigger.
World Cup ratings are huge, Networks, Netflix, Fox, everybody's fighting
to get the World Cup, but they're not fighting for
is baseball, So everything changes. It's highly cyclical. The English
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Premier League, in the NFL, those are different discussions and
everybody's chasing those. But tennis, men's tennis will never be
as big as it was for the last twenty years,
and golf will never have another Tiger Woods. That would
scare me. The NBA ratings are down on TV, most
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of it on cable TV. Everything outside of talking Trump
is down on cable TV, isn't it? It'll survive. Jmack
with a.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
News no turns. This is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
It is good stuff for you. Fired up today on
a Tuesday. I like it, coward. Let's go to the
Philadelphia Eagles Colin.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Their defense was spectacular in the Super Bowl win over
the Chiefs, the beatdown of the Kansas City Chiefs, that is. However,
Philly did give up twenty two points in the second half.
And this is kind of bizarre, but according to Jalx Hunt,
a edge rusher slash linebacker, he says the defensive coordinator
Vic Fangio called a team meeting the day before the
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Super Bowl parade, okay by the parade to talk about
how unacceptable the team's defense was after halftime against Patrick Mahomes,
Hunt added that Fanio expects perfection and our staff has
some stats.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
In the second half, Patrick Mahomes did kind of sort
of cook.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
It was down thirty four nothing, you know, they posted
a bunch of points in yards.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
But I don't get this at all from Fonzio. What's
he doing? You know?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, I think this is just one of those stories
that sports radio and Philadelphia ignited. I don't think anybody
watched the goals and thought, you know what, they've got
band aids everywhere. Defensively, I think they have drafted it
so well between the Rams and the Eagles, they're just
not missing on defensive draft picks, like they just keep
hitting on all of them. They're all exceptional. So and
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I think that's such a key to this league because
I think they're really good teams in this league stay
young and nimble on defense and cheap and spend their
money on offense. So, I mean, what's scary about Philadelphia.
This is not an old team that's falling apart. Jalen Carter, Dean,
the two corners. They're not even getting paid yet, So
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that's gonna give. I saw a story today where Miles
Garrett and the Eagles. It might happen. So the scary
part about Philadelphia is that they have hit on so
many good defensive players they can keep paying Saquon aj Goddard,
hurts Devonte Smith. All goes back to the draft. If
you hit on players on the defensive side, you can
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pay and keep your big offensive start.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
And listen, they're keeping Vic Fonngio. He's not out there
interviewing for head coaching jobs. That continuity is massive. I'll
point to the Lions. Lose their OC, lose their DC.
I don't think the Lions are coming into next season
as good as the Eagles. I know the Lions were
the team that everybody loved this year, but Colins Philly
team's gonna keep intact.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
I think their arrows pointing up. They're gonna be good
next year. Let's go to the Lions, who were fifteen
and two.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Last year, but did get shelled by the Commanders in
the divisional round. They gave up forty five points in
that game. So after the loss, Peyton Manning sent an
encouraging text to Dan Campbell, saying, I know how you feel.
I've been there, but we did win the whole thing
the next year. You just keep sawing wood.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Well, it's nice of Peyton Manning to us send that.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, they'll be fine, No too, They're gonna be just fine. Listen,
when your problems as a Detroit Lion fan, are we
got blown out? You know, are we underachieved in a
playoff game? That's a great problem to happen. Well, and again,
they're a team that's drafted but exceptionally well, so like
Philadelphia or the Rams or the Eagles. When you draft
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at that kind of level, it ensures you can go
pay for free agents and keep your offensive stars.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
However, and I know you love this guy, Jared Goff.
He's a you know, LA resident. In the offseason, he
was rotten against Washington.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
What do you have?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Nine interceptions? He was terrible.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Now, I know he did take a big hit briefly
left maybe he was concussed. But Colin, you have to
wonder Jaden Daniels is better than Jared Goff.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
We always did one year.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
You would agree with that, right absolutely, So, Like, do
they have a ceiling with Goff?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, I mean it kind of hit it. I think
there's a real sense that the last two pocket quarterbacks
in this league that work or Golf and Stafford. I
will say both are excellent. And I also think Shadoor
Sanders is coming into this league and he'll be an
excellent pocket passer. So not everybody can run around. Not
every team is built similarly. Detroit, It's gonna be fine.
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They draft well. I mean again, their big problem is
we wish Jared Goff had more mobility. If that's the
biggest problem in the offense, you're in a good space.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Okay, humor me real quick and rank the quarterbacks in
the NFC North geading into next season.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
You got GoF Caleb Love and McCarthy. Rank them top four.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Goff's number one.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
No, I thought you, I thought you were infatuation with
Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I am infatuated, but he was a bit reckless. And
we'll see what happens next year. But Goff's number one
right now, unequickly, right now today. And also I forget
his old line, forget everything. If you're asking me who
the best quarterback, we don't know what Caleb is. We
don't know what JJ McCarthy is. We have no idea.
I think Jordan loves ridiculously talented, but you know he
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had a little I thought he had a little bit
of a step back here. So we'll see what happens
in the offseason.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Okay, let's head to the NBA Big game last night.
Ok see, everybody's darling in the West. Ok See, they
faced Minnesota and check this out. Anthony Edwards with the
game saving block on SGA.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Look at him come from behind him.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
This was an incredible game.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Look at that block.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
One of the greatest comeback. They went on a sixteen
to nothing run in the fourth quarter. We have Chris
Finch on our show today.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Look at that block by Ann and then flexed on him.
It was an awesome victory for the Wolves. Listen, I
know everybody loves Okac. I'm gonna be real. They're gonna
be limited in the playoffs. Okay, They've got SGA and
a bunch of guys.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
And listen. After the game, Chris Finch popped off about
SGA getting all the balls and I call him free
throw merchant. Listen to Chris Finch.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
It's so frustrating to play this team because they foul
a ton.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You know, they really do.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
They foul.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
They fell all the time.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
And then you know, you can't really touch Shay and
it's a it's a very frustrating thing and it takes
a lot of mental toughness to try to play through it.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
And you know, we.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
We just eventually were able to get downhill and and force,
you know, force the issue ourselves and we're rewarded for it.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, folks, he's on later today. It is one of
the best. Every year, there's like five or six regular
season games and we keep thinking the Nicks and Celtics
are gonna be those games, and then Boston it's over
in the first quarter. This was a Gramman like eight
nine moments in the game. Late Minnesota just caught total
fire in this game.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
They did.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Now, let's just drill down onn SGA for a quick second.
He took seventeen free throw attemps yesterday. Everybody wants him
to win the MVV Fine, give it to him.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But Colin, if you look at if you watched any
of OKC last night, you see one awesome player in
SGA and a bunch of guys who were good.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Now, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Test you on this.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
This is a tough one.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
In a hypothetical Lakers Thunder series. Who are the four
best players right now on the court?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Lakers Thunder, uh, Luca, SGA.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Lebron take your time on this final one.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I would say Jared Williams first, j Jalen one, Jalen
Williams for Oka Sing.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I would go Austin Reeves. Of course you won, so
the Lakers have three of them.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Didn't put brock Party in there. I would just if
you're Jalen Williams on reach, dexterityes number four.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Go looks playoff last year, mediocre at best. He's your
number two.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I'm just telling you the Lakers will beat OKC in
a playoff series.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
You think, now, can I just say this and I'll
press Chris Finch on this. Karl Malone shot a lot
of free throws too. NNBA officials didn't huddle and say,
you know what we want to do. We want to
give this guy in Salt Lake that's got kind of
a boring game a bunch of free throws. Sga is
very good at manipulating space and getting to the free
throw line. By the way, Jimmy Butler shows up in
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Golden State. Suddenly the Warriors lead the league in free
throw attempts. The league is not saying before games, Hey,
you guys, Jimmy Butler, let's call a bunch of fouls.
There are players in this league, and SGA is one
of them that are unbelievably deft at creating contact. Austin
Reeves does a really good job of this. Jimmy Butler's
great at this. Lebron for years has been great at it.
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You know a guy that's not necessarily great at is
Steph who doesn't initiate a lot of contact. He'd rather
fall away and hit Dirk Novitski, although he got to
the line. Dirk Naviski's a guy that would fall away,
So SGA deserves a lot of credit. He gets to
the line, he manipulates defenders.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
You want to guess who the okay, so Giannis leads
the league in free throw times, which is obvious.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
He's a freak. You know, guess who number two is?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Take a guest, Sgayah And the rest of the list
is basically big guys, wings and bigs.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Yet SGA somehow magically on the WA.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Why in the world would the NBA pick a player
from Canada that plays in OKC and give him the whistle.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I'm not saying forever got the whistle, but it's annoying
that he gets every freaking call anytime. Can't breathe on SGA.
You gotta protect him. He's like Patrick Mahons. He can't
touch him, cannot touch him.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Maybe maybe the player deserves a little credit.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
He's good.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the lot.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I mean, if you think about it, if if the
league really was gonna pick somebody to get to the line,
they'd pick Jalen Brunson, the point guard for New York.
Let's just get him to the line. They wouldn't pick
a can Can playing in Oklahoma City, nor would they
pick Karl Malone, who lived at the line. Another guy.
I don't know where Luca is on that list, but
Luca initiates a ton of contact, a ton of contact.
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Is he on the free throw top free throws?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Who's not?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Also, he hasn't played this year, so it's hard to
judge him.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
I'll go.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
So it's Giannis SGA, followed by a D then one
small guard Trey Young d book and Jalen Brunson is
eighth on free throw time, so like.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
He gets to the line, but SCA's is a little aggressive.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
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feels like one of our sports that I love is
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Speaker 4 (31:51):
It's Friday tips off at eight Eastern with a big
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Speaker 1 (32:03):
So I'm watching on the video last night. I'm watching
some AI robot do these amazing things, and it's like
ninety percent human, and yet we still have grown men
that collect baseball cards. Boy, some of you just love
romanticizing the past, and I'm just not here for it.
Nothing wears me out like sports guy reliving the good
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old days. Yes, you can occasionally bring up Michael Jordan
and Lebron James and that debate, but there's so much
great right in front of us. And I saw this,
five major college football programs USC Texas, Florida State, Nebraska, Missouri,
and several others are going to follow. They're canceling their
spring game and they should. There's no need for it.
(32:49):
Steve Starkesian was on with Kay Adams recently and said,
it's now a pro football format.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Over the last two years, we've played thirty games, and
that's a lot for college football. The development that's needed
for these guys to get ready for the fall is
a little bit different than it used to be, and
so our approach is going to be a little bit
more NFL driven, kind of more of an Ota style
early on, and as we grow into more of the
scrimmage formats and the second half of spring ball that
(33:19):
I just don't know. Rolling the ball out, playing the
game and when we only get fifteen.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Practices is the best for us.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
I think college football is changing right now and we
need to do a great job as coaches of adapting
to college football.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yes, stop complaining about the NIL, Stop complaining about the
transfer portal. College football now looks a lot as it
should like pro football general managers. Yep, everybody's hiring a
general manager. So a coach doesn't have to figure out
the budget salaries, a playoff format. Computers and sports writers
aren't figuring out the national championship. We're not hinging on
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bad bowl games sponsored by pop Tarts. The reality is
you gotta beat three or four great teams down the
stretch to be a national champion. That's the way it
should be. Now. The NFL tweaks every year. College football
so far behind and outdated. It has to make some
seismic moves. More big games, a real playoff format, real
(34:18):
free agency. Bill Belichick is now in college football. Chip
Kelly left college went back to the pros. Why not,
they're the same thing. I'll just take the bigger check.
There was always this big gap between college and pro football,
and my take was always why the reason boxing died
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it was it was potentially a billion dollar business and
it was poorly run. College football's attendance and ratings were
going down. That's why Fox and ESPN and the NBC
stepped in and said, let's make it more. NFL, let's
have two major conferences, the PAC twelve. The games are empty.
There's one or two programs that matter. Move the big
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conferences together, Pack twelve. Why don't you join the Big
Ten and make one super company. And let's take Texas
Oklahoma and let's put them into the SEC. That's not
to say you can't make the playoff from the ACC
or the Big twelve of the Mountain West. But it's
like grown up sports now, free agency, playoff format, transfer portal.
(35:22):
You can either complain about stuff or put your arms
around it and go Okay. The world's changing. And I'm
watching AI robots last night. Some of you are collecting
baseball cards and you're forty nine years old. It's time
to stop looking in the rearview mirror. This is the
future of college football. Big games playoff at the end,
sometimes playing in bad weather, physicality rules. I love it.
(35:45):
And you know it's like I watched the Dodgers defer
these payments and people are complaining that the Dodgers are
deferring payments to show hey and Mooki Betts. Well it's legal.
That's a new problem. Grow up. I mean, I mean
analytics and sports force old farts out of work, like
NBA people that don't put their arms around the three
(36:06):
point shot unless you're Greg Popovich, you get fired. And
baseball gms that don't pay attention to analytics and now
deferring payments, you're gonna get fired. So spring football is
a relic, It doesn't Matt? What about the fans? What
about him? Ratings were up this year? What about the fans?
Ninety percent of people that love college football do not
go to the games. They watch it on television, and
(36:28):
TV was better than ever. All right, So J Max's
been on this heater for a while and I don't agree.
But when I ran that clip and we went to
a commercial, J Mack was giddy. So he thinks Channing
Fry is basically just taking a shot at Charles Barkley
(36:49):
and shack On inside the NBA, who constantly hammer the players.
And here was the bite. Is Channing Fry taking a
shot at Shack and Charles?
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Nostalgia is killing the NBA. That nineties basketball, Michael Jordan
and Kobe was not as clean as y'all think. It was.
Every great player, whether that's Aunt Wemby, Bron, you know,
step this this that, you know, they compare them to
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a month forty years ago. The rules weren't even the same.
Nobody celebrates these new people, So why the would anybody
want to be the face of this league. You're gonna
get gone on every network for not being somebody from
forty years ago. Bron is one of the greatest players
ever to play. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest
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players ever to play. Jannie is one of the great
Jokic and you know what we do, we talk about
Michael Jordan. All this superstar era is over.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Okay, so let me start with this. We don't celebrate
Lebron James. We haven't celebrated celebrated Steph Curry and Kevin Durant.
Of course we've celebrated them, but the bigger picture with Barkley.
So I've always felt this NFL media is tough. NFL
media criticizes rookies, they criticize coaches, they criticize players. It's
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very similar to the way the media in the UK
treats the English Premier League. It's vicious, and our football
media is grown ups and they're tough and they hammer everybody.
Our basketball media, college and pro is very soft and
overwhelmingly tries to curry favor with the stars. Barkley is
(38:36):
the only Barkley and Shack and that show are the
only show that holds players and load management accountable. By
and large the NBA media, because everybody's trying to curry
favor with you know, Rich Paul, and he's very, very
very talented, and they're trying to curry favor with the
stars and the top agents. Very little critical media. I've
(38:59):
stopped on certain NBA reporters who are good people, but
it's all fluff. Everybody's great. Well, let's address load management.
Like baseball's got this problem too, where too many of
the reporters are romanticizing baseball. Tom Verducci, who I think
is brilliant, Verducci was the first guy to say they're
steroids all over the sport. Verducci was also the first
(39:21):
guy to say the game's too slow, too many pitchers
three and a half hours. It takes sometimes a strong
opinion from a very notable person to push back on
a sport. And I think Barkley and Shack are the
guys that are like, why aren't you playing? Why are
you rested? I want a show that is hard and
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has teeth and bite into the players. We can't. They're
not PR firms. My job is going to be a
PR guy. Barkley's the opposite of that now is Barkley
too critical. Certainly can argue that. But if you take
that show out ESPN mostly fluff, mostly pro player pro NBA,
everything's great and it's not. I'm not saying everybody on
(40:04):
the ESPN is, but the broadcast sometimes feel like it's
owned by it's owned by the teams. It's like, guys,
it's okay to criticize players. I think Barkley and Shack
provide they're the outlier. They're the dogs on TV that
criticize players. Now, J Mack, you think the opposite.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Come on, the reason these guys want to sit out
is so they're rested for the playoffs. Why because you
got these guys on TV every night there's NBA games. Well,
he doesn't have the rings, he doesn't have a championship,
he's this, he's that. Well, why would I want to
play in January and February when all that matters is
the playoffs and if I can win a championship. These
guys have bashed Curry and Clay, the Splash Brothers.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
They blash Kevin Durant like he's like a bum.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I mean, they're like not counting Kevin Durant's championships in
Golden State.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Well he doesn't really have a title. He joined the war, Like,
that's the crap.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well, that's a little over the top that that's.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
The nonsense they say. I've tuned them out. Obviously.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
They're an entertaining and fun But you've heard the phrase
young snakes have the most venom, right, You've heard that. Okay,
there's so many good young players in the league right
now that have accomplished more than Michael Jordan did in
his first five years.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
And we don't give these guys any props. We're like, oh, yeah, Anthony.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Edwards, come on, But isn't that what pr firms do.
Isn't that what.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Teams asking for fluff?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
I'm just not asking to rip guys every night for
what they haven't accomplished when they're like.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Luca, by the way, Luca first five years in a
way has done more than any other player now.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Lamar Jackson's won seventy seven percent of his games. I
have to literally defend him weekly. He gets eaten alive
by everyone in January.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
You got to defend him because he always shows up
and kind of poop.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
My point is, I defend Lamar I feel like I'm
in a small group of defenders because he wins seventy
six percent of his games. But there's no national concern
that we're too hard on Lamar Jackson. It's football. Deal
with it. You're gonna get criticized if you're a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Well, wait a minute, he's awesome in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
We've been We said that in audio. What happens in January?
Tell me where the results?
Speaker 6 (42:04):
What?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
What? Where are the results from Ant Edwards?
Speaker 5 (42:07):
He's like twenty four years old, full time mvv.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Edwards has been ripped day one and now, well he.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Wins the m v P every year. We expect the
best player to win championships.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Well, ant is one of the best players in the
league and is certainly in the MVB consideration, and we're
worried that he's getting too much criticism.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
I would agree that's a great question for Chris Finch.
Is Anthony Edwards getting too much criticism?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
We crush quarterbacks, it's part of the game. We crush politicians,
it's part of the game. Why can't NBA stars be crushed?
Speaker 4 (42:40):
I think they are getting crushed by one show unfair
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Here we go. It is a Tuesday live in Los Angeles.
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may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Tonight is the night. Tonight is the night Luca Dante,
the newest Laker in Los Angeles, and the team that
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traded him away Shockingly, the Dallas Mavericks, limp into town
with all their bigs injured. This has the potential to
get really ugly. Jmack is going to this one. I'll
be locked on a smoking a stag, maybe knocking down
a jin and soda, checking out what will be a
spectacle in Los Angeles tonight. And this is a city.
(01:09):
Over the last several years between Mookie Betts and Freeman
and Shoeo Tani and Lincoln Riley and Jim Harbaugh and
lost stars coming to town. J Mac tonight is gonna
be interesting. So Luka Dantach at home hosting the MAVs.
You're gonna officially see how awful this trade was. Luca's
gonna be inspired, He's gonna be ticked off, and JJ
(01:31):
Reddick and Lebron James are gonna make sure he eats.
They're gonna feed him the ball all night. This is
gonna be the New York Giants against Saquon Barkley. This
is gonna be dinner with your ex and she upgraded.
You're gonna be wondering if you're Dallas, what was I thinking?
Where did it all go wrong? It sets up to
be a blood bath potentially because Dallas all their bigs
(01:54):
are hurt. So Luca's gonna score anyway he wants. And
I said this, if the Mavericks would have gotten Anthony Davis,
Austin Reeves and three first round picks, I still wouldn't
have made the deal. But I but I could. I
you know, he's hurt conditioning, maybe I'd sleep a little
better at night, but giving him away for one pick
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for Anthony Davis and he is not twenty six years
old yet he's got two more days to be twenty five.
And here's the thing, the thing I'm thinking about this morning. Yes,
Saquon Barkley to the Eagles was a huge gaff by
Joe Shane the Giants gym. But Saquon Barkley's a running back.
They don't last forever thirty two years old. They can
(02:37):
be out of the game thirty three years old. They
retire soon, So you don't have to sit and watch
this forever. Luca's twenty five. If he gets the conditioning right,
he could be dropping thirty three points a night for
the next fourteen years. And the other thing, He's in
the Western Conference, so Luca could be keeping Dallas because
I actually like Dallas' roster, Ad Kyrie, their size, their coach.
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I actually like Dallas's roster. But there's a real opportunity
here for the Lakers to bounce the Mavericks out for years.
And this is a player that is just in two
days turning twenty six. So years ago, about fifteen straight
years out of college. I used to have a dream
that haunted me and it may lasted twenty years. And
(03:24):
this thing woke me up in a sweat about three
times a month. I had this dream that I was
going to take a college final and I wasn't prepared,
and I had this dream all the time. And just
think about it this way, Luca is advanced calculus, and
the Mavericks Nico Harrison is going to spend the next
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twelve to thirteen years waking up at least two to
three times a month in a sweat. That's why, if
you're gonna trade Luca, you gotta get assets, you gotta
get Amo, you gotta get him out of your conference.
He can't get in the way of keeping you from trophies.
So tonight's the night. Dirk Nevinsky previously in Dallas their
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greatest player ever. Uh, he'll be here tonight, and he
has been in LA several times to support Luca.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I felt a little disappointed and sad for him, you know,
I thank you. Obviously didn't see this coming. So he
invited me to come out to his first game in LA,
and I felt like I had to support him. It
was reported that he was pretty obviously down and disappointed
how how it went down, and so I wanted to
be there for him. I wanted to just be there
for his family and then show support. It was weird.
(04:40):
It was surreal to see him play for the Lakers,
and so at the end of the day, I mean,
I'll ever be a Lakers fan, but it was always
be a Luca fan.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Uh, Tonight is a spectacle. We've been lucky in Los Angeles.
We've just had big coaches and you know, Stafford to
town and harbaught a town and oh hey, moves up
the I five, and here comes Freddie Freeman from Atlanta,
and here comes Molky Bets and now it's Luca in
our lap and facing his Mavericks hobbling into town. Tonight.
Can't wait. So mel Kiper, maybe you've heard of him,
(05:14):
has a big mock draft and he released it today
and a lot of people are surprised that Shadeur Sanders,
who people you know. During the college football season, many
people speculated he go number one. He's going number seven
in the mock draft of the New York Jets. And
I was thinking about this this morning. That's about where
he should go. I think he's a good B plus prospect.
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I think he's a good kid. He's accurate. But my
favorite part about Shador Sanders is not It's not that
his dad is Dion it's not that he was one
of the first guys that made big nil money. Actually,
my favorite part isn't his strength. He's really accurate. You
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want to know my favorite part of Shaduur Sanders The
last two years he has been the most sacked college
quarterback out of every single Power five school. Well, it
gets worse. In the last two years he had the
worst running game of any other quarterback in Power five conferences.
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This is Andy du Frayne escaping from Shawshank. This kid
has been through a tunnel. Okay, this kid has swam
through a tunnel. You know what. And there's a reason
that there aren't a lot of great Ohio State quarterbacks
in the NFL, and not a lot of great Notre
Dame quarterbacks, USC quarterbacks, Texas quarterbacks, Georgia quarterbacks. Why is that?
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Why is that? Yet cal the Golden Bears have given
us GoF and Aaron Rodgers. North Carolina State gave us
Philip Rivers, gave us Russell Wilson. Eastern Illinois gave us
Garoppolo and Tony Romo. Why is that? Josh Allen's from Wyoming,
Patrick Mahomes is from Texas Tech, Lamar Jackson from a
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basketball school Louisville. Why is that? It's because of what
Shadeur Sanders faced a tunnel of crap. Is that the
reality is when you go to an Ohio State, you
take a three strep, three step drop, hit a receiver,
a five star receiver on a drag route. He goes
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for forty eight yards. It's easy living. Go back to
Matt Lionerd at USC. How many times was he sacked?
I mean one time one year, it was eleven times.
It's not a real life that you'll face in the NFL,
especially if you're a top ten lottery pick. You go
to bad teams in battle lines, and bad receivers and
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often really bad coaches. That is why Big Ben didn't
go to Ohio State. He was overlooked by them, Miami
of Ohio. Drew Brees didn't go to Texas, he was
overlooked by them. He went to Purdue Mahomes all those
guys from cal Shadeur Sanders has had to manufacture offense.
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And that's what happens in the NFL. Even if you're
Patrick Mahomes, because you make so much money, you don't
have an elite offensive left tackle and you have to
manufacture stuff because you have to let Tyreek Hill go.
Philadelphia is an outlier. They pay the quarterback and they're loaded.
The reality is in the NFL, if you're a top
ten quarterback, you usually go to a lousy roster or
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a really bad smell in the organization, and then once
you do get paid, you're going to be limited on
actually what they can put around you. I mean, that's
the downside to being a lottery pick. But Shadoor Sanders,
the most sat quarterback, the worst running game. This kid's
ready for it. It's not that his dad's deon. It's
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not that he was the first NIL star or second.
It's not that he's really accurate. He's lived a real
life in the NFL. I mean, Caleb Williams high school
and college, everything was easy. He goes to Chicago. That's
a real life. The coach, the coordinators, the roster, you're
(09:13):
o line. The media is not in your corner. So
I look at shit or Sanders, and I looked it
up this morning and he's seventh in Mel Kuiper's draft.
That's exactly. That's exactly, by the way, if you look
at the top seven teams in the NFL, draft, I
could argue the Jets have the best roster. You gonna
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fall a little. Oh, they got a number one receiver
and a number one back, and they have a left
tackle from Penn State. And they've got maybe the best
corner or second best corner in the league. And they've
got a top linebacker. Now they got a new coaching staff.
But I would argue falling in the draft of the Jets,
it's a better roster than Tennessee or the Giants, or
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Cleveland or the Raiders. So I looked up the compos
rankings of Colorado that Shador Sanders played with. It was
even with BYU SMU and Arizona State. And there are
two quarterbacks in this draft that are ready to play
day one, cam Ward and Shador Sanders. And the biggest
reason is he's lived a real NFL life, running for
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his life with no running game for two years and
having to manufacture offense. Jmack, you are very fired up.
I would ask you where you got your tickets. I
hopefully you had to pay for him. You didn't get freebie,
so you can relate to people. But you are going
to the game tonight, and I'm a little jealous but
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I'm going to sit back watch and my guess is
Luca goes for forty four. Well, they don't have any
rim protection. Dallas's bigs are all hurt. But the other
thing is, you know, JJ Reddick and Lebron James are
going to feed him the ball for forty minutes. He
is going to get the ball, They're going to initiate offense.
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This is going to be one of those you know,
you just do guys a solid. It's almost like when
Lebron would play Cleveland in Miami. It's like, we're gonna
make sure we get in the ball. We're gonna make
sure it's a solid.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, you think he's maybe dieting today, a little uh,
intermittent fasting, not eating a little like a little slimmer
to just shove it in the face of the math boy.
It's tough to be a Dallas Mavericks fan right now.
How about a Dallas sports fan right now? Colin Cowboys
are in turmoil.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I was in Chicago this weekend and I was talking
to a couple of Chicago sports fans. They are going through.
People in Los Angeles are spoiled. We are I mean,
I mean, there has been about an eight year run.
I mean, think of our football coaches we've had, Chip Kelly,
Lincoln Riley, Jim Harbaugh, Sean McVay. Our quarterbacks would have
been Caleb Williams, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff got shipped out
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of town, he wasn't good enough, and Justin.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Herbert not not bad.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
No, So it's and all of a sudden, Luca falls
in the lap of the Lakers. So it is Tonight's
gonna be a big night in La huge massive.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
I'll go triple double for Luca, thirty two point triple double.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 1 (12:11):
Is that you've seen everything like four times and that
you tend not to overreact to stuff, and you realize
that sports is very cyclical, and let me just give
you an advantage. Boxing used to be a much bigger deal,
but it was poorly run. UFC was brilliantly run by
Dana White and the Fertida family. UFC killed boxing. It'll
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never return. Horse Racing used to be bigger, too many controversies.
Tennis just went through a twenty year run of Nadal,
Feeder and Djokovic, maybe the three best players ever. Men's
tennis will never duplicate that again. That will never happen.
Sometimes great happens Tiger Woods in golf. Literally, the Sopranos,
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the NFL, and Tiger Woods. The only thing that got
me to a TV on Sunday. I would race home
to see Tiger Woods. If I did stuff in the
morning on a Saturday or a Sunday. I've never done
that in my entire life. There'll be no more Tigers.
I mean, I love Dustin Johnson, Brooks, Koepka, I like
all of them. It's not Tiger Woods. He was a
meteor for ten to twelve years. It's okay. Sports are cyclical.
(13:20):
Take the NFL out. It's our English Premier League. We
watch it. It's perfect for TV and we bet it
like crazy, and many of us played it. Take the
English Premier League out. Cricket used to be much bigger
in England. It's called their national pastime. It takes four days.
(13:40):
Nobody's waiting four days for a result from this warning event.
It's died. Mostly Baseball up and down, huge in the seventies,
not as big in the eighties, really quiet for twenty years,
and now they've got all the stars lined up in
the big markets and they just set ratings and they've
sped the game up. There's been a lot of talk
about the NBA, and it should be noted before I
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give you this SoundBite. They just signed an eleven year,
seventy six billion, billion dollar deal. There's an old saying
about the Bible, treat others as you want to be treated.
Everything else in it is just commentary, And there's a
saying in sports, just get the contract. Everything else's noise.
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Adam Silver, the owners and the players eleven year, seventy
six billion. But there's a lot of critics about the NBA,
and Channing Fry, never afraid to have a strong opinion, says,
this is what's killing the league.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Nostalgia is killing the NBA. That nineties basketball Michael Jordan
and Kobe was not as clean as y'all think it was.
Every great player, whether that's Aunt wemby Ron, you know, Steph,
this this that you know, they compare them to a
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month forty years ago. The rules weren't even the same.
Nobody celebrates these new people, So why the would anybody
want to be the face of this league. You're gonna
get don on every network for not being somebody from
forty years ago. Brown is one of the greatest players
ever to play. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest
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players ever to play. Jannis is one of the great
Jokic and you know what we do. We talk about
Michael Jordan. All this superstar era is over.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, yes this is true, and TV ratings are down,
but I saw this this morning that basketball this past
year had eighteen billion views across social media. Far and
away the most people are watching it. Differently, the NBA
isn't hockey. I talked about it yesterday the first time
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in two years. You know what I'm not talking about
on Today's show hockey? We talk basketball. Every show like
mine talks basketball. We played it. If we don't like
pro basketball, we used to. If we don't like it now,
we still like March badness. We all shot a ball.
Few of us shot a puck. The NBA is part gossip, infighting, drama, rumors.
(16:18):
It's like those magazines at the cashier at every grocery store.
The NBA is the Kardashians plus People magazine plus US Weekly. Yes,
they need to do some tweaking. Like baseball, they're slow
to it. They need to shorten the playoff series from
seven games in our first rounder to three five make
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the games more urgent. Eighty two games feels long. How
about sixty eight? How about fine players seven figures suspend
them for two and three week periods without pay for
load management, which is just egregiously outrageously nauseating. NFL players
play hurt every Sunday in blizzards. You have an ice
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cream headache and you have to sit out. Give me
a break. It's gross. But the good news is the Knicks,
the Celtics, and the Lakers, the three biggest brands, are
now all good and they're all ascending. The number one
player in this next draft is Cooper Flag from Duke.
By the way, this next draft is a domestic draft.
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Lots of kids from Duke in Carolina. So yes, I
think there's too many three point shots. I think they
should cap it at maybe fifteen or eighteen perteen. Then
no matter where you shoot it, it's worth two points. Yes,
I think they should shorten either the season or playoffs,
But we talk basketball. They just signed an eleven year
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seventy six billion dollar deal. If I sell my whole
house and I get the bag on it and it
goes down when you own it, that's a U problem.
I got it, it was when I lived in it.
They got the bag, they got the contract. Adam Silver's happy,
the players are happy, the owners are happy. Do I
think NBC overpaid for it? I do. Do I think
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Amazon overpaid for it? I do? But in the end,
this is a sport that we watched it in high school.
One of the best sports movies arguably is Hoosiers. We
still watch March Madness. Women's basketball has Caitlin Clark and
it's growing. The NBA is well financed, and love it
or hate it like the Kardashians, it's relevant. We talk
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about it all the time, and yesterday was the first
time in two years this show and many others talks hockey.
What you want to be in sports because everybody knows
the NFL is the sun. Everything gets its heat from
the NFL. Everything rotates around it. Get the NFL out
of here and in England and the UK, get the
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English Premier League. Go. Everything is second place. So starting
in second place. College football, I love it. Baseball on
a heater. NBA at least socially and culturally very relevant. Yes,
we talked too much about Michael Jordan, but Michael Jordan's
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the greatest basketball player probably ever. Michael Jordan was the coolest,
he was the best dressed, he was the best looking,
He was the most relentless. He went six for six
in the finals. It's okay, but this idea that we
don't talk about Steph, Yeah, we do all the time.
I've done five hundred segments on Steph. Well, we don't
reward Jokic. He should have won three straight MVPs. He's
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just kind of a boring player. So was Kareem in
his prime. Sometimes Biggs don't want to talk. Shack's an outlier.
The league's fine ratings are down. It needs to be tweaked.
But when Michael Jordan left, the ratings went down fifty percent,
and it wasn't about politics. It was about they missed Michael.
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Take the NFL out and look at how cyclical sports is.
Boxing's dead horse, racing's less relevant. Radio is not the
water cooler topic it used to be. Soccer is bigger.
World Cup ratings are huge, Networks, Netflix, Fox, everybody's fighting
to get the World Cup, but they're not fighting for
is baseball, So everything changes. It's highly cyclical. The English
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Premier League, in the NFL, those are different discussions and
everybody's chasing those. But tennis, men's tennis will never be
as big as it was for the last twenty years,
and golf will never have another Tiger Woods. That would
scare me. The NBA ratings are down on TV, most
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of it on cable TV. Everything outside of talking Trump
is down on cable TV, isn't it? It'll survive. Jmack
with a.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
News no turns. This is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
It is good stuff for you. Fired up today on
a Tuesday. I like it, coward. Let's go to the
Philadelphia Eagles Colin.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Their defense was spectacular in the Super Bowl win over
the Chiefs, the beatdown of the Kansas City Chiefs, that is. However,
Philly did give up twenty two points in the second half.
And this is kind of bizarre, but according to Jalx Hunt,
a edge rusher slash linebacker, he says the defensive coordinator
Vic Fangio called a team meeting the day before the
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Super Bowl parade, okay by the parade to talk about
how unacceptable the team's defense was after halftime against Patrick Mahomes,
Hunt added that Fanio expects perfection and our staff has
some stats.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
In the second half, Patrick Mahomes did kind of sort
of cook.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
It was down thirty four nothing, you know, they posted
a bunch of points in yards.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
But I don't get this at all from Fonzio. What's
he doing? You know?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, I think this is just one of those stories
that sports radio and Philadelphia ignited. I don't think anybody
watched the goals and thought, you know what, they've got
band aids everywhere. Defensively, I think they have drafted it
so well between the Rams and the Eagles, they're just
not missing on defensive draft picks, like they just keep
hitting on all of them. They're all exceptional. So and
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I think that's such a key to this league because
I think they're really good teams in this league stay
young and nimble on defense and cheap and spend their
money on offense. So, I mean, what's scary about Philadelphia.
This is not an old team that's falling apart. Jalen Carter, Dean,
the two corners. They're not even getting paid yet, So
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that's gonna give. I saw a story today where Miles
Garrett and the Eagles. It might happen. So the scary
part about Philadelphia is that they have hit on so
many good defensive players they can keep paying Saquon aj Goddard,
hurts Devonte Smith. All goes back to the draft. If
you hit on players on the defensive side, you can
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pay and keep your big offensive start.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
And listen, they're keeping Vic Fonngio. He's not out there
interviewing for head coaching jobs. That continuity is massive. I'll
point to the Lions. Lose their OC, lose their DC.
I don't think the Lions are coming into next season
as good as the Eagles. I know the Lions were
the team that everybody loved this year, but Colins Philly
team's gonna keep intact.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
I think their arrows pointing up. They're gonna be good
next year. Let's go to the Lions, who were fifteen
and two.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Last year, but did get shelled by the Commanders in
the divisional round. They gave up forty five points in
that game. So after the loss, Peyton Manning sent an
encouraging text to Dan Campbell, saying, I know how you feel.
I've been there, but we did win the whole thing
the next year. You just keep sawing wood.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Well, it's nice of Peyton Manning to us send that.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, they'll be fine, No too, They're gonna be just fine. Listen,
when your problems as a Detroit Lion fan, are we
got blown out? You know, are we underachieved in a
playoff game? That's a great problem to happen. Well, and again,
they're a team that's drafted but exceptionally well, so like
Philadelphia or the Rams or the Eagles. When you draft
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at that kind of level, it ensures you can go
pay for free agents and keep your offensive stars.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
However, and I know you love this guy, Jared Goff.
He's a you know, LA resident. In the offseason, he
was rotten against Washington.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
What do you have?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Nine interceptions? He was terrible.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Now, I know he did take a big hit briefly
left maybe he was concussed. But Colin, you have to
wonder Jaden Daniels is better than Jared Goff.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
We always did one year.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
You would agree with that, right absolutely, So, Like, do
they have a ceiling with Goff?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, I mean it kind of hit it. I think
there's a real sense that the last two pocket quarterbacks
in this league that work or Golf and Stafford. I
will say both are excellent. And I also think Shadoor
Sanders is coming into this league and he'll be an
excellent pocket passer. So not everybody can run around. Not
every team is built similarly. Detroit, It's gonna be fine.
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They draft well. I mean again, their big problem is
we wish Jared Goff had more mobility. If that's the
biggest problem in the offense, you're in a good space.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Okay, humor me real quick and rank the quarterbacks in
the NFC North geading into next season.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
You got GoF Caleb Love and McCarthy. Rank them top four.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Goff's number one.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
No, I thought you, I thought you were infatuation with
Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I am infatuated, but he was a bit reckless. And
we'll see what happens next year. But Goff's number one
right now, unequickly, right now today. And also I forget
his old line, forget everything. If you're asking me who
the best quarterback, we don't know what Caleb is. We
don't know what JJ McCarthy is. We have no idea.
I think Jordan loves ridiculously talented, but you know he
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had a little I thought he had a little bit
of a step back here. So we'll see what happens
in the offseason.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Okay, let's head to the NBA Big game last night.
Ok see, everybody's darling in the West. Ok See, they
faced Minnesota and check this out. Anthony Edwards with the
game saving block on SGA.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Look at him come from behind him.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
This was an incredible game.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Look at that block.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
One of the greatest comeback. They went on a sixteen
to nothing run in the fourth quarter. We have Chris
Finch on our show today.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Look at that block by Ann and then flexed on him.
It was an awesome victory for the Wolves. Listen, I
know everybody loves Okac. I'm gonna be real. They're gonna
be limited in the playoffs. Okay, They've got SGA and
a bunch of guys.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
And listen. After the game, Chris Finch popped off about
SGA getting all the balls and I call him free
throw merchant. Listen to Chris Finch.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
It's so frustrating to play this team because they foul
a ton.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You know, they really do.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
They foul.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
They fell all the time.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
And then you know, you can't really touch Shay and
it's a it's a very frustrating thing and it takes
a lot of mental toughness to try to play through it.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
And you know, we.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
We just eventually were able to get downhill and and force,
you know, force the issue ourselves and we're rewarded for it.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, folks, he's on later today. It is one of
the best. Every year, there's like five or six regular
season games and we keep thinking the Nicks and Celtics
are gonna be those games, and then Boston it's over
in the first quarter. This was a Gramman like eight
nine moments in the game. Late Minnesota just caught total
fire in this game.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
They did.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Now, let's just drill down onn SGA for a quick second.
He took seventeen free throw attemps yesterday. Everybody wants him
to win the MVV Fine, give it to him.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But Colin, if you look at if you watched any
of OKC last night, you see one awesome player in
SGA and a bunch of guys who were good.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Now, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Test you on this.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
This is a tough one.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
In a hypothetical Lakers Thunder series. Who are the four
best players right now on the court?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Lakers Thunder, uh, Luca, SGA.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Lebron take your time on this final one.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I would say Jared Williams first, j Jalen one, Jalen
Williams for Oka Sing.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I would go Austin Reeves. Of course you won, so
the Lakers have three of them.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Didn't put brock Party in there. I would just if
you're Jalen Williams on reach, dexterityes number four.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Go looks playoff last year, mediocre at best. He's your
number two.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I'm just telling you the Lakers will beat OKC in
a playoff series.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
You think, now, can I just say this and I'll
press Chris Finch on this. Karl Malone shot a lot
of free throws too. NNBA officials didn't huddle and say,
you know what we want to do. We want to
give this guy in Salt Lake that's got kind of
a boring game a bunch of free throws. Sga is
very good at manipulating space and getting to the free
throw line. By the way, Jimmy Butler shows up in
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Golden State. Suddenly the Warriors lead the league in free
throw attempts. The league is not saying before games, Hey,
you guys, Jimmy Butler, let's call a bunch of fouls.
There are players in this league, and SGA is one
of them that are unbelievably deft at creating contact. Austin
Reeves does a really good job of this. Jimmy Butler's
great at this. Lebron for years has been great at it.
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You know a guy that's not necessarily great at is
Steph who doesn't initiate a lot of contact. He'd rather
fall away and hit Dirk Novitski, although he got to
the line. Dirk Naviski's a guy that would fall away,
So SGA deserves a lot of credit. He gets to
the line, he manipulates defenders.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
You want to guess who the okay, so Giannis leads
the league in free throw times, which is obvious.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
He's a freak. You know, guess who number two is?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Take a guest, Sgayah And the rest of the list
is basically big guys, wings and bigs.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Yet SGA somehow magically on the WA.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Why in the world would the NBA pick a player
from Canada that plays in OKC and give him the whistle.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I'm not saying forever got the whistle, but it's annoying
that he gets every freaking call anytime. Can't breathe on SGA.
You gotta protect him. He's like Patrick Mahons. He can't
touch him, cannot touch him.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Maybe maybe the player deserves a little credit.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
He's good.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the lot.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I mean, if you think about it, if if the
league really was gonna pick somebody to get to the line,
they'd pick Jalen Brunson, the point guard for New York.
Let's just get him to the line. They wouldn't pick
a can Can playing in Oklahoma City, nor would they
pick Karl Malone, who lived at the line. Another guy.
I don't know where Luca is on that list, but
Luca initiates a ton of contact, a ton of contact.
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Is he on the free throw top free throws?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Who's not?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Also, he hasn't played this year, so it's hard to
judge him.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
I'll go.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
So it's Giannis SGA, followed by a D then one
small guard Trey Young d book and Jalen Brunson is
eighth on free throw time, so like.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
He gets to the line, but SCA's is a little aggressive.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Comet coming up next. You know, I'm not somebody that
romanticizes sports. And something happened yesterday and it made me
so happy, And maybe I'm just being obnoxious, but it
feels like one of our sports that I love is
growing up. And we'll talk about that next Live in
La It's the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
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Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich David and together we're
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Speaker 8 (31:09):
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And if you miss any of the live show, just
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Speaker 4 (31:51):
It's Friday tips off at eight Eastern with a big
ten showdown as twenty AETH rank Perdue looks to stick
their claim for the conference crowd against UCLA.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
So I'm watching on the video last night. I'm watching
some AI robot do these amazing things, and it's like
ninety percent human, and yet we still have grown men
that collect baseball cards. Boy, some of you just love
romanticizing the past, and I'm just not here for it.
Nothing wears me out like sports guy reliving the good
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old days. Yes, you can occasionally bring up Michael Jordan
and Lebron James and that debate, but there's so much
great right in front of us. And I saw this,
five major college football programs USC Texas, Florida State, Nebraska, Missouri,
and several others are going to follow. They're canceling their
spring game and they should. There's no need for it.
(32:49):
Steve Starkesian was on with Kay Adams recently and said,
it's now a pro football format.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Over the last two years, we've played thirty games, and
that's a lot for college football. The development that's needed
for these guys to get ready for the fall is
a little bit different than it used to be, and
so our approach is going to be a little bit
more NFL driven, kind of more of an Ota style
early on, and as we grow into more of the
scrimmage formats and the second half of spring ball that
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I just don't know. Rolling the ball out, playing the
game and when we only get fifteen.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Practices is the best for us.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
I think college football is changing right now and we
need to do a great job as coaches of adapting
to college football.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yes, stop complaining about the NIL, Stop complaining about the
transfer portal. College football now looks a lot as it
should like pro football general managers. Yep, everybody's hiring a
general manager. So a coach doesn't have to figure out
the budget salaries, a playoff format. Computers and sports writers
aren't figuring out the national championship. We're not hinging on
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bad bowl games sponsored by pop Tarts. The reality is
you gotta beat three or four great teams down the
stretch to be a national champion. That's the way it
should be. Now. The NFL tweaks every year. College football
so far behind and outdated. It has to make some
seismic moves. More big games, a real playoff format, real
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free agency. Bill Belichick is now in college football. Chip
Kelly left college went back to the pros. Why not,
they're the same thing. I'll just take the bigger check.
There was always this big gap between college and pro football,
and my take was always why the reason boxing died
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it was it was potentially a billion dollar business and
it was poorly run. College football's attendance and ratings were
going down. That's why Fox and ESPN and the NBC
stepped in and said, let's make it more. NFL, let's
have two major conferences, the PAC twelve. The games are empty.
There's one or two programs that matter. Move the big
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conferences together, Pack twelve. Why don't you join the Big
Ten and make one super company. And let's take Texas
Oklahoma and let's put them into the SEC. That's not
to say you can't make the playoff from the ACC
or the Big twelve of the Mountain West. But it's
like grown up sports now, free agency, playoff format, transfer portal.
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You can either complain about stuff or put your arms
around it and go Okay. The world's changing. And I'm
watching AI robots last night. Some of you are collecting
baseball cards and you're forty nine years old. It's time
to stop looking in the rearview mirror. This is the
future of college football. Big games playoff at the end,
sometimes playing in bad weather, physicality rules. I love it.
(35:45):
And you know it's like I watched the Dodgers defer
these payments and people are complaining that the Dodgers are
deferring payments to show hey and Mooki Betts. Well it's legal.
That's a new problem. Grow up. I mean, I mean
analytics and sports force old farts out of work, like
NBA people that don't put their arms around the three
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point shot unless you're Greg Popovich, you get fired. And
baseball gms that don't pay attention to analytics and now
deferring payments, you're gonna get fired. So spring football is
a relic, It doesn't Matt? What about the fans? What
about him? Ratings were up this year? What about the fans?
Ninety percent of people that love college football do not
go to the games. They watch it on television, and
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TV was better than ever. All right, So J Max's
been on this heater for a while and I don't agree.
But when I ran that clip and we went to
a commercial, J Mack was giddy. So he thinks Channing
Fry is basically just taking a shot at Charles Barkley
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and shack On inside the NBA, who constantly hammer the players.
And here was the bite. Is Channing Fry taking a
shot at Shack and Charles?
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Nostalgia is killing the NBA. That nineties basketball, Michael Jordan
and Kobe was not as clean as y'all think. It was.
Every great player, whether that's Aunt Wemby, Bron, you know,
step this this that, you know, they compare them to
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a month forty years ago. The rules weren't even the same.
Nobody celebrates these new people, So why the would anybody
want to be the face of this league. You're gonna
get gone on every network for not being somebody from
forty years ago. Bron is one of the greatest players
ever to play. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest
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players ever to play. Jannie is one of the great
Jokic and you know what we do, we talk about
Michael Jordan. All this superstar era is over.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Okay, so let me start with this. We don't celebrate
Lebron James. We haven't celebrated celebrated Steph Curry and Kevin Durant.
Of course we've celebrated them, but the bigger picture with Barkley.
So I've always felt this NFL media is tough. NFL
media criticizes rookies, they criticize coaches, they criticize players. It's
(38:14):
very similar to the way the media in the UK
treats the English Premier League. It's vicious, and our football
media is grown ups and they're tough and they hammer everybody.
Our basketball media, college and pro is very soft and
overwhelmingly tries to curry favor with the stars. Barkley is
(38:36):
the only Barkley and Shack and that show are the
only show that holds players and load management accountable. By
and large the NBA media, because everybody's trying to curry
favor with you know, Rich Paul, and he's very, very
very talented, and they're trying to curry favor with the
stars and the top agents. Very little critical media. I've
(38:59):
stopped on certain NBA reporters who are good people, but
it's all fluff. Everybody's great. Well, let's address load management.
Like baseball's got this problem too, where too many of
the reporters are romanticizing baseball. Tom Verducci, who I think
is brilliant, Verducci was the first guy to say they're
steroids all over the sport. Verducci was also the first
(39:21):
guy to say the game's too slow, too many pitchers
three and a half hours. It takes sometimes a strong
opinion from a very notable person to push back on
a sport. And I think Barkley and Shack are the
guys that are like, why aren't you playing? Why are
you rested? I want a show that is hard and
(39:43):
has teeth and bite into the players. We can't. They're
not PR firms. My job is going to be a
PR guy. Barkley's the opposite of that now is Barkley
too critical. Certainly can argue that. But if you take
that show out ESPN mostly fluff, mostly pro player pro NBA,
everything's great and it's not. I'm not saying everybody on
(40:04):
the ESPN is, but the broadcast sometimes feel like it's
owned by it's owned by the teams. It's like, guys,
it's okay to criticize players. I think Barkley and Shack
provide they're the outlier. They're the dogs on TV that
criticize players. Now, J Mack, you think the opposite.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Come on, the reason these guys want to sit out
is so they're rested for the playoffs. Why because you
got these guys on TV every night there's NBA games. Well,
he doesn't have the rings, he doesn't have a championship,
he's this, he's that. Well, why would I want to
play in January and February when all that matters is
the playoffs and if I can win a championship. These
guys have bashed Curry and Clay, the Splash Brothers.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
They blash Kevin Durant like he's like a bum.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I mean, they're like not counting Kevin Durant's championships in
Golden State.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Well he doesn't really have a title. He joined the war, Like,
that's the crap.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well, that's a little over the top that that's.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
The nonsense they say. I've tuned them out. Obviously.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
They're an entertaining and fun But you've heard the phrase
young snakes have the most venom, right, You've heard that. Okay,
there's so many good young players in the league right
now that have accomplished more than Michael Jordan did in
his first five years.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
And we don't give these guys any props. We're like, oh, yeah, Anthony.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Edwards, come on, But isn't that what pr firms do.
Isn't that what.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Teams asking for fluff?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
I'm just not asking to rip guys every night for
what they haven't accomplished when they're like.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Luca, by the way, Luca first five years in a
way has done more than any other player now.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Lamar Jackson's won seventy seven percent of his games. I
have to literally defend him weekly. He gets eaten alive
by everyone in January.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
You got to defend him because he always shows up
and kind of poop.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
My point is, I defend Lamar I feel like I'm
in a small group of defenders because he wins seventy
six percent of his games. But there's no national concern
that we're too hard on Lamar Jackson. It's football. Deal
with it. You're gonna get criticized if you're a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Well, wait a minute, he's awesome in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
We've been We said that in audio. What happens in January?
Tell me where the results?
Speaker 6 (42:04):
What?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
What? Where are the results from Ant Edwards?
Speaker 5 (42:07):
He's like twenty four years old, full time mvv.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Edwards has been ripped day one and now, well he.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Wins the m v P every year. We expect the
best player to win championships.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Well, ant is one of the best players in the
league and is certainly in the MVB consideration, and we're
worried that he's getting too much criticism.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
I would agree that's a great question for Chris Finch.
Is Anthony Edwards getting too much criticism?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
We crush quarterbacks, it's part of the game. We crush politicians,
it's part of the game. Why can't NBA stars be crushed?
Speaker 4 (42:40):
I think they are getting crushed by one show unfair
one show
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