February 17, 2025 • 40 mins
Jonas Knox and Lavar Arrington fill in for Colin and discuss the absolute dumpster fire of a NBA All-Star Game and weekend nonsense. Aaron Rodgers and the Jets are cutting the ties, but how much can you trust the Jets to not screw it up again? #2Pros
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's a Herd Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox
in for Colin. You can find us as always on
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of affiliates all across the country. On this Monday, in
which people have opened up the offices of Bitch and
(00:42):
Mode to discuss what the f that was that the
NBA rolled out during All Star weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
They was tweaking. I mean I was tweaking on NBA
All Star weekends. It's just you know, people not real much,
not real thrilled with you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, the current format or whatever this this format was.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
This past weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You had a dunk contest featuring a guy who's played
you know, fourteen seconds in the NBA Win it again.
You had whatever, this rinky dink circus tent pop up
event that was supposed to be the All Star Game
show back up, and people are not happy about it
and are not thrilled with the content and the viewing experience.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
That they got bar over the All Star weekend. I
mean I was thrilled because I didn't have an experience
because I didn't view it.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Dan, If you want me to break down who had
the best dunk of the night on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I watched it. I watched the highlights of it all.
But to watch all of it, you know why it
doesn't have that type of mass app because, let me
tell you something, them dunks were crazy good. They're crazy
good dunks, man, And that used to be the highlight
(02:01):
of somewhat of an NBA season. That was what you wanted,
you waited for. You were excited, who's going to be
in the dunk contest? Who's doing it this year? And
you wouldn't learn, like you said, somebody who doesn't even
play very many minutes. You would learn about new people
and they would become celebrities. I'll never forget when Kenny
Skywalker won the dunk contest doing like like aero dynamic,
(02:27):
like acrobatic, like you know, like a ballet. He was
doing ballet in the air when he was dunking, like
Kenny's Skywalker wasn't like a dope basketball player for the Knicks,
but we found out, we learned about who he was
because of the way he was dunking like. It just
built a lot of It built a lot of brands
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in the NBA back in the day, like in the
late you know, mid eighties, early nineties, you know, nineties,
like it was All Star Weekend was a thing. And
I think I think the NBA is suffering from the
same exact thing that the NFL is suffering from as
(03:11):
it applies to their All Star weekend, which is what
is the relevance of these weekends? What can you do
to make these weekends more relevant than what they are?
And I don't. I think it's because of technology and
all of these different things that's going on, fast paced technology.
(03:31):
I think it's very it is a riddle that the
NFL or the NBA has yet to figure out.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So the way they laid it out was, it's four
different teams. You had rising stars, you had just like
whatever if the TNT crew had their teams, and to
break down the different categories and they would all meet
up and then they would go into the final just
team Shack, Kenny Chuck, Candae Park like all that stuff.
It was just a fiasco, like there's just there's there's
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too much going on. It was not all that entertaining.
It wasn't funny. Like they tried their hardest to try
and add comedy to it. It wasn't funny. And so
Draymond Green, who is you know, slowly becoming better and
better and better, and his media career after he's done play,
it's already blossoming. After his career is over, He's going
to be, you know, sitting with you know, the the
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great medium, the great former players to ever do it
post career when it comes to the media. He spoke
last night on TNT and gave a brutally honest critique
of this new format.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
You work all.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Year to be an All Star and you get to
play up to forty and then you're done. This is
so unfair to Victor Winbyama, who just took this game
really seriously, Chake Gilges Alexander who just took this game
really seriously.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
When you talk about chasing out to the.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Points, Wreckers, mellow with Kobe and all these guys who've
had great scoring nice, they don't get the opportunity to
do that with this game. Also, we can watch some
rising stars. We're about to watch that Olympic team. Now
we get to treat of watching the Olympic team play
I against the U nineteen team.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Come on, what are we doing all of one to ten?
Your thoughts of the format? Ten band the best? Yes,
let's zero sucks.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And that's a fair honest assessment. You know what, I
think the real problem is with the NBA. I think
the problem is the timing of it all. That why
would you have because listen, you mentioned the NFL All
All Star games minus Major League Baseball are awful.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They're awful like the.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Pro Bowl looks like, you know, an airing of Double
Dare from twenty years ago. It's like you're waiting for
some guy to slide down a chocolate slide and pull
a flag out of the nose.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Like it's awful.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Like whatever they've they've thought they were doing to try
and protect players in the Pro Bowl, it's terrible. It's
not so much that the All Star Game sucks, it's
the timing of it all. The NFL season just ended,
there are people that are looking for things to watch,
and the NBA throws out this instead of Hey, why
(06:09):
don't we maybe do the All Star Game? I don't know,
like do it the same weekend of the Pro Bowl?
Do it earlier, Like let's let's let's move it up earlier,
so that that way, when the NFL season is over,
we're putting on primetime marquee matchups. You want to throw
Celtics Thunder on because they're two of the best teams
in the league, that's fine. You want to throw the
Lakers with Luke on, but do that and present your
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product timing wise, in a better imagine. If you're an
NBA fan and you're like, all right, I'm gonna give
this NFL a try, and the first thing you see
is the Pro Bowl should be looking around and go.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
What the theF is this?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
If you're the NBA, I don't know why they refuse
to counter program. I don't know why they refuse to
acknowledge you're not even the second most popular sport anymore.
You're third behind college football. Why don't you like adjust
your timing We've talked about, you know, start the season
on Christmas Day and move it back so you're not
(07:07):
competing with the NFL during and college football in the
World Series and made all the other stuff that goes
on in the fall. Move your season back. In this case,
this feels like an easy fix. Just have your All
Star game sooner, whatever you want to roll out, But
the first weekend out of the gate with no football,
this is the product you present it. It doesn't make
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any sense to me because it's an awful watch. And
now all the conversation is about, man, the league is broken.
It needs to do this, it needs to do that.
Instead of we could be talking about great games, great matchups,
like make it a mar Que moment to where NFL
season's over, We'll take it from here, and instead they
rolled out crap.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well this again, I'll say the saddest part of the
commentary outside of it being true, is is that the
Dunks were phenomenal. They weren't just good, they were phenomenal,
and nobody cared. You know who cared? The people who
are probably upset right now that I said nobody cared,
(08:12):
And that's like the niche portion of basketball fanatics. You
have some basketball purists who love to judge anybody who doesn't,
which you had that in every sport, but those are
the people who care. What I don't understand is, again,
how do you allow for such a disconnect to take
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place on something that has been such a major part
of our American culture to slip into non relevance. I
just don't get it. Like the three point contest, people
like watching it. That's something that people will watch. It
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was something that it mattered. But no mistake about it.
You enjoyed the game because you knew in the second
half they were all going to play and they were
gonna play hard, and they were gonna want to win
the game, and the dunk contests like that's what it was.
And I just I asked myself when when I when
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we were coming into the topic, I asked myself, is
this just a symptom of me? Like old heads are
always the ones that say, oh, it was so much
better when when I was coming up, it was it
was so different. Dah da da these days and you guys,
you young young bucks, don't know anything about you know
what it's all about? This that is so different now?
(09:39):
Am I am? I? Like I gotta take a step
back and say, am I coming at it from the
wrong lens from the wrong perspective, and I looked. I
looked a social media because social media can now give
you an idea of how you're feeling and what the
algorithms are, and because if it's something that's something, it's
(10:00):
gonna be there, it's gonna pop up, it's gonna like
you're making fun of Jello, You're making fun You're making
fun of his song. That's one of the highlights of
the whole deal is making fun of Jello being being
the main that's your main performer. What's there to make
fun of one one song? Like it's not even like
the dude got an album out, Like the dude has
(10:20):
one song that they may go viral and it's not
even really a real performer. Like I'm sitting there, I'm like,
you did not need all this gimmicky stuff. And it
made me take a step back and say to myself,
are we now looking at an NBA that is a
(10:44):
personality less NBA. That's what it made my ultimate my
ultimate thought and my conclusion was do we have an
NBA now, Like do you know the personality of Victor
Winban wim bin Yama? Do you know his personality?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Uh? Yeah, well he reads books before games, which do
you know his personality?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You know, you know why we like Anthony ant Man
so much because it's the first time we get a
pulse of somebody having a freaking personality that You know
why we like Draymond Green because we get a pulse
of what a person? Do you know who Draymond Green is?
Do you know how he is? Sure exactly exactly Steph
(11:34):
Steph Curry, relatively obscure. You know he could shoot the ball.
You know he's a good dude, does things in the community.
You know his why, But do we really know his personality?
You have those type of personalities from back in the day,
but it's like they're like not, they're not the A
list group of celebrities. That's you knew who Michael Jordan was.
(11:54):
In fact, Michael Jordan told all of us to come
fly with him, and every one of us stopped. We
could fly, And that's why we still be wearing this
I got. I don't have no Jordan's on today, but
I had some on yesterday. I had some on yesterday,
and I'd be damn if I don't have Jordan's on
more often than it. Right. Bottom line A New Ballads.
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We knew who Dominique Wilkins was, and we were all
trying to beat the Human Highlight film. We all were.
You knew whose foot, what it was. He was the
more quiet one. He was like that quiet one. But
you had so many personalities. Charles Barkley telling you to
f off. I'm not your your role model, I'm not
your kid's role model. I'm not your role model. I
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think what has happened with the NBA more specifically, which
you shouldn't lose because they don't wear helmets. You don't
have to battle people not knowing who you are and
what you look like. You're six foot whatever, looking like
an avatar. You gotta have. There has to be more
more established personalities like throwing guns up in the club,
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throwing one's strippers, like you can't have John Morant, who
is one of your biggest names and dopest players. That's
how we know you, that's how we know you. Like
that's Jason Williams back in the day and he's like
the degenerate of all the superstars. But even then you
knew who Jason Williams was. Personality was because it was
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a point to make sure that the personalities were getting
consumed by the consumer. You're selling the game. We know
who Lebron James is. We know his personality, we know
who he is. He drives it because his personality and
us knowing him, us going on this NBA journey with
Lebron makes sense. How many players in today's NBA can
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we say that about when you could say that about
each team, each team. If you were a Pistons fan,
it was Vinnie the Microwave, it was Isaiah Thomas, it
was Joe Dumars, it was Rick Mahorn, and you knew
who they were because they had They all had Bill Lambert.
They all had their their personalities that you love that
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made them the bad boys. If it was the New
York Knicks, from Oakley to Mason to Ewing to Starts
to Mark Jackson, you knew who these people were by
market and their personalities drove the game, and they mattered
from the Celtics to you name it, the Rockets, they
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all had their different personalities. The Portland Trailblazers, the Indiana Pacers,
sitting there choking that Reggie, Reggie Miller. We got to
know Reggie Miller. He's sitting there choking himself out to
Spike Lee. There were so many great moments that built
a relationship between the players, the teams, and the fans.
(14:50):
It's unrecognizable. You don't have that. I mean, am I
off on this? Do we? There's that's a disconnect. That's
a disconnect like, what's what is the connection to the player,
what is the connection to the players as in general,
and what's the connection to the team. Where has that gone?
Because I think in a way, largely in part because
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of fantasy football and all this stuff going on with gambling,
I think it's decentralized football as well. I think that's
a large part of the problem that we have in
football at this point now as well, is that decentralizing
of what the fan could really focus in on, in
that connection to the player and that connection to the team.
I think it's been I think it's been removed. Well,
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I mean, the good news is the All Star Weekend's over,
So there you go. Hopefully this is the last time
we got talked about it. At least at least there's that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So so if you're not a fan of the All
Star Weekend, congratulations, it's Monday.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It's over.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
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Speaker 3 (17:36):
From now, and the headline news.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
We are going to talk about what the future of
the NFL could look like, and it's involving somebody who
might have had a little too much to drink, So
we will get into that for you again a little hard.
Twenty minutes from now no, no Lee, oh no Brady?
Oh just you and I yeah, man, yeah, just grinding
you and me, Greag two week Chris Purfetts here eh yeah, yeah,
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yay on a holiday, just grinding away here, if you
got to grind it, all right, So here we go.
This is god, this is so much fun. Aaron Rodgers
and the Jets are no longer together? All right, they
broke up.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
All right.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We're gonna treat this like it's, you know, a celebrity breakup.
They're no longer together. Oh Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, believe it or not. Now were they together now?
Or did they track?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
There's some fun developments on this. Albert Breer of our
buddy who comes on with us every week on two
pros and a cup of Joe, He said the following
in his MMQB column quote. The reality was that the
Jets desire to move on was about them and not
rogers and timelines that don't match up. New York was
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looking at a deliberate reimagination of its football operation, which
was going to be tough to marry up with a
quarterback playing for this year alone. There was no ultimatum
on discussing Aaron's outside media appearances, but there was a
disc ushion about it, so that from Albert Breer, who
just kind of said, listen, you know, this whole thought
that I think the athletic came out with that he
(19:08):
can't do the Pat McAfee show, and they were trying to,
you know, set some rules and.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
All that was propaganda.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Not exactly the exact played out, but this is why
this is hilarious. Talk about Steve Helling. And Ryan Dunlevy
of The New York of New York Posts reported that
Rogers quote pleaded with the Jets to keep him, and
that in the final conversation with the team's new regime,
he quote aggressively urged the franchise to give him another
year or even two. In the end, he reportedly accepted
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the decision quote like a man going.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
To the gallows dot dot dot.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
What a bunch of men, what a bunch of craft sports.
It's just it's so bad. But what it does do
is illustrate the point that Aaron Rodgers was right the
entire time, because he told everybody there's too many leaks
in the organization, There's too much of this stuff going on.
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He's been out the door for twenty minutes, and already
you've got three different reports about what happened and what transpired,
none of which have come from him.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
All from the jets that you know of who you.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Think he's gonna portray himself as walking to the gallows
within the opposed No, but but the idea of putting
something out there to make him more of a sympathetic
figure could be a form of subterfuse for him.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
That organization is a diaper fire, and I think that's
what it also ultimately comes down to, is whether some
of it was rogers or not, you're still looking at
an organization that that runs it in a toxic manner.
And I always reference back I lived in it, I
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worked in it, and I understand what that type of
environment does to the players, to the people that work
in the building, from the people who clean up the
locker rooms, to who takes care of the field, to
the reception that's at the front, to the media department,
to the scouting department, to the sales department, advertising, you
name it. Toxic is toxic, and it becomes a part
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of the entire culture of what you have going on
operationally speaking, and without knowing very much about the New
York Jets and having been through their doors, I can
just tell you the things that you see, the things
that you hear that come from that organization internally totally
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illustrates what dysfunction and what toxic looks like. It's like
the epitome of what it would be like if you
say it, here's the definition of what toxic or what
dysfunctional looks like. It would have the New York Jets
as an example. And listen, I'm sorry if you're a
New York Jets fan and that offends you, but the
reality of it is is that you, guys ultimately become
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a part of that dysfunction too. You ultimately become a
product of the culture as well as fans because you
are living through these moments that get leaked out and
get and get pushed out by by the New York media.
And the New York media has always had what I
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would say a fun time with taking the stories and
the leaks and the information that they get and putting
it in their periodicals or or reporting on it. I
mean Francessa, Mike, Mike, Mike, Francessa, Francessa, I mean he
can talk twenty hours about what's going on just in
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New York sports if he wanted to. I've been in
the I've been in the studio and have had an
opportunity to listen to him and how he's able to
talk about New York sports and what's going on. It
is a part of the coulture. And if you don't
have a solid sound way of how you handle your
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business internally with your sports organization, it will ultimately become
what you are. And that's what you see. Hell, that's
what you're saying with the New York Giants right now.
And I would have never thought that you would say that.
From my time there, it seemed like it was a
very well organized, very well structured group by the Mirror
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and the Tish family that it seemed like they did
just an amazing job. But it even seems like they
have now fallen victim to the same exact toxic uh
not operating out a high level dysfunctional organization. It's the
New York teams period right now.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
In football, So like for the Jimmy Butler Miami Heat situation,
that that was toxic towards the end, because I mean,
you know, these reports about he left, you know, left
him on the tarmac. He wasn't showing up. He didn't
get a lot, like just one out of there. But
when it was over, he said, I got nothing but
respect for the organization.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And it was done.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
We were gone like that, like it was over. He
went his way. That's fine, he listen, didn't work out.
You have fun in me at Golden State. You know,
we're going to do our thing all as well. Like
the Jets, just can't let it go like this, it's over.
You're moving on, like you've you've made the decision, you've
gotten out there that you want to move on from
Aaron Rodgers that the timeline's don't add up all as well.
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Yet every day a new detail comes out.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Why for what Because it's New York. It's because it's
I'm telling you it's because it's New York.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Trade for Justin Tucker. Okay, Like if you want content,
I make a move.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
They got enough of them. Massage parlors. Yeah, they do
red open side. Okay, I look for I was told
just look for the red open sign for massages and
that's the place and they and they probably keep better secrets.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Like I'm just like you know, like if you're looking
for if that's what you want it to be like,
and it feels different than we talk about the Cowboys
and Jerry Jones and you know, he's all, you know what,
loves the drama and loves to be you know, have
the team out there. But it feels different because like
with Jerry Jones, like you know, like what you know,
this is about a business, the Jets. It's just about drama.
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Like we just got to get our story out, like
we gotta we gotta get this out and that. And
so when the discussion becomes, hey, what's going to happen
next for both sides? Where's Rogers? And uh, you know,
like the different teams that are out there that are
being rumored to be interested in him.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I mean that becomes the story, right, well, that should
be what becomes the story.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And the reason that becomes the story is because there's
not a person walking the face of the earth. I
don't care if you're fireman ed, I don't care if
you're some mechanic in Brooklyn, I don't care who you are.
That's a diehard Jets fan. There's not a Jets fan
walking the planet who has any confidence it's that this
organization is going to be able to figure it out
a at quarterback and B roster wise, to get back
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to the playoffs or get back to some sort of relevancy.
It's not happening, like nobody should feel any confidence in it.
And especially after well, we got rid of the old regime.
We got rid of our GM and our head coach
and our quarterback. We got a brand new coach, brand
new GM. We are back. You just got rid of
your quarterback. And instead of hearing about what the plan
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is for them possible yes, and.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Throwing dirt on on a dead hurt, it's over.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It's done, Like the coffin. It's in the ground. They're
shoveling dirt on and they're and they're trying to open it,
pry it back open and get one last lick in
like the body's cold and they want to get one
more insult in. Oh yeah, you pos like, like no,
just close the lid, throw some dirt on it, yes,
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And they won't. They they've got there's got to run
to the media. I gotta get these stories out.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And and it's like it's somebody who drives like a
super fast car, super loud car, and they like making
it rev up and like like get into everybody's like
day and interrupt it while they're having a peaceful meal
or whatever it may be. Yeah, it's the same type. Right,
you're insecure about something. Them dudes in them cars that'd
be revenue, they got something wrong with them. But if
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there's something that is insignificant about it, if I did
that with my truck, if I try to have my
truck your car, would that it would vanish? Yeah, it
would disappear and you would evaporate with it, Like I
would just be sitting there holding a steering First off,
your your truck would not be capable of making that
type of no sound anyway. So but I almost feel
like that's a reverse. You're hiding something, Like there's a
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reverse something wrong with you jailing. It's like you're not
getting the brand new one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand
dollars car that says hey, hey, look, pay attention to me.
You got the the five thousand dollars truck that that says, hey, uh,
load up your your tools. We're gonna go, you know,
mow some lawns. Look at the backseat handle. We're gonna
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go handle some plumbing or you know, look at the backseat.
It's it's the outfits for a mariachi band, like to
the instrument there. I'm just saying, like, but you got equally,
you probably have something that you're compensating for as well
by under underwhelming yourself with the vehicle that you drive.
It's the same thing with this New York Jets organization,
(28:33):
same thing probably with the ownership is is that there
is a tremendous amount of trying to overcompensate for an
in adequacy of something. And maybe it's winning, maybe maybe
it's relevance in the sportsphere. I don't know what it is,
but they are over compensating and it's like play to hits.
You know how you hit you with play Jonas, play
(28:56):
the hits. Let's talk about dollars of doubt. Whatever it
may be. I think that this is one of those
things where they won't get to leverage Aaron rod You
know how they get to leverage him again is if
Aaron Rodgers went somewhere and did really poorly. I don't
think they would try to leverage him. If he went
somewhere and did really well. I think Aaron Rodgers would
leverage it if he went somewhere and did really well.
But that's the only way you get to use Aaron
(29:17):
Rodgers again to generate some type of ROI because you've
gotten zero in reality of an ROI from bringing in
Aaron Rodgers to your organization. They're trying to get their
return on investments, so they're going to keep playing the hits.
It's fresh into the into the off season. You did
do all of those things with all these new people,
so basically paint a picture of how fed up it was,
(29:40):
so that now you can sit there and say, hey,
look at what we did. We are doing things better.
We are being a better organization, you know what I mean.
Like we're getting Aaron Rodgers up out of here. You know,
he's not going to get any more coaches fired. Da
Da da Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, your toxic. You did this,
like get rid of them, Like okay, there go listen, Aaron.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
We're really really concerned about you know, if you did
come back, what would it look like these weekly media
appearances you're doing with the Pat McAfee show. That's our
big concern. While we go to the media and multiple
times over to let them know that we're telling you
not to go to the media or else you It's like, dude,
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Okay, as long as we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
When you do it, you know, it would be like
like a drug addict standing outside of fast food place
going hey, man, get your life together. Tang excuse you,
you've got to You've got a spoon with a lighter
and it's noon.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I'm having a milkshake and fries both to kill you. Yeah, yes,
that's why I use PhD weight line. That's right, what
a PhD both to kill you? Though, I'm just telling
you the damn Jets you I'll say this is like
a strawberry milkshake yesterday from In and Out. By the way,
did you hit the spot? Damn? Yeah. It was better
(31:00):
than watching the NBA All Star And it's also better
than talking about Aaron Rodgers getting asked on by the Jets,
because we already know they they did equal. If you
ask me, they did equally. To put us on one
another from Aaron Rodgers and how he's handled things to
the way the Jets have handled things, it ain't as
(31:21):
good as that strawberry milk shit by the way, By
the way, if I had a strawberry milkshake, I'd have
to throw away my shoes in a half hour. Oh yeah,
like tolerant? Are you like those of taller I'm something
something I am? I am and I and I was
in Penn's music or dance recital yesterday and and I
(31:41):
just got to tell you if they had those those
like those things they have at at Disney where it
monitors you or it has the heat and they can
see the gases coming from you. Really you know what
I'm talking about. And we talked about that they can
kick you out of that or a rush you if
you're passing gas. Yeah, they ban you from the park.
(32:03):
If you're passing go don't come to a radio studio.
Oh well, you shouldn't have been there. Nowhere near me yesterday,
nowhere near your boy yesterday. Every time somebody dance, I like,
do one of them like movements like I dance with
them like it's just like like a little duck come
out like run, you know. And it was strawberry milkshake
(32:24):
because I'm lactose intolerant, but I really enjoyed it. Laar.
You're a trumpet player. I try to make sure it
was loud. It was great acoustics in there, so you me,
I mean it was good though, you know, outside of
representation of the of the product. No, you know, no,
I didn't didn't well, I mean the the Jets are
(32:44):
success in tolerant, So there's that.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
What is.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Reaction?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
It is the Herd Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington,
Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up next in The
Herdline News though, were going to tell you what the
future could look like in the NFL. And these are
comments from somebody who might have had a little bit
too much to drink. We'll get into that for you
here on FSR.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
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at noon Easter. Not a em Pacific, no, no, this
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Speaker 2 (33:20):
And it stars Break Tooey, Yeah, brot him up.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Jonas, good to be back with you.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Screw you music.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
You know when they have Jason McIntyre to Ryan Music
to me the ep og, you know what, there's something wrong.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
There's something wrong well.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And now you know we appreciate it because you know,
you take your craft seriously.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
You're not You're not in Bangladesh, Like I don't mess around. Yeah,
I don't mess around. I don't go halfway across the world.
I'm a grinder, Yeah, I'm a grinder. I'm grinding with
you guys today.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I feel you all right.
Speaker 8 (33:48):
So Mac McClung is now our three time dunk champion, right,
and nobody questions his repertoire of dunks, right, LeVar, you were.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Saying earlier they were amazing, Right, they were awesome.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
So last night after the doe or Saturday after the
work though, there were there were.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Yeah, he just liked the props to cars and all
that stuff.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
So after the dunk contest, veterans veteran stars waiting on
social media saying they would be interested in doing the
dunk contest. Here John Morant, Mac might make me decide
to dunk, Johannis Tjah If you do it, I'll do
it haha. Zach Levine thinking guy might have to do
it again. So Lebron was asked after the dunk contest
if he's had any regrets about never participating in the
(34:26):
dunk contest.
Speaker 9 (34:28):
There's no part of me to have regrets about not
doing it.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Obviously.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
I had a couple of moments where I wanted to
do it, and it just never worked out that way
going into the following season, either because the injuries or
I just wasn't up. I wasn't up for it. I mean,
if those guys do do it, I mean, those are stars,
superstars in our league, and obviously we know the apleticism
that the guys justus name, it'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
So, LeVar, you hit this earlier like we need the
stars back, right, we need the stars back. My biggest issue,
and I told Jonas Is yesterday, was that is that
mac mcclun's white Oh wow, Oh you didn't say we.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I did not say that.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Let's not say that.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Sorry, I screenshoted, so I said, I texted Yonah screenshot
of mac mcclunk's stats this year, Jonas, do you remember
how many points.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
He's averaged this year in the NBA? Something like a
zero point zero?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (35:16):
The problem that the NBA cannot have their Dunk Contest
champion not being an NBA player?
Speaker 7 (35:21):
Am I crazy? LeVar? Am I crazy?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
No, you're not. You're not.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And by the way, why do you have like, uh, actually,
you know what they should do if you want star
power why do you have Bronni James or his yellow
ball next year in the finals?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
All right, why not? I just think that, well, to
your point, you have to have that nice blend of
the megastars and the obscure stars, like there's nothing wrong
if an obscure star comes out and beat you. I think,
if Lebron is being honest, if he's being real, he
(35:59):
didn't want to loose. Like, let's be clear, I don't
think he wanted to lose, because I think that that
would have hit him in a certain type of way.
He clearly keeps his name relevant within the goat conversation,
and I just think that that's one of those you know,
people rarely bring it up as a sticking point in
the argument. But let's be clear. MJ was owning them
(36:23):
dunk contests. He was owning them dunk contests, yep. And
you couldn't get Lebron to do one. Yeah, and you
and you knew how explosive he was, Like he mess
around with people posted on social throw the ball off
the wall, boom boom, bounce, bounce, bounce, go catch it,
dunk it, like he mess around with people, but he
never really went for the Dunk Contest like and I
(36:45):
think that that that was that that showed something that
was exposed exposure.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
You don't have to be, to your point, a superstar
to do it like it just it's the fact that
it's somebody that's not on a roster. It just feels weird.
Like remember when Dee Brown won it, he didn't have
to pumped his ship. So he isn't a star player,
but he played. I think he was on the rookie
al teams. He was an ok player and and he
(37:11):
that though, is what he's known for. So it can
increase your value from that standpoint. But it's like there's
no way for them to build on the back of
this because Mac mcclunk doesn't play. So it's not like, oh, hey,
there's that guy from the Dunk Contest.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Where your problem lies. That's where your problem.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
And he can win it one year find but he's
not won it three years in a row. Like That's
that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Is even if he wins it because his dunks are dope, Like,
there's nothing wrong with him winning it. It's who he's
winning against. Ye beat Lebron beat John Morant. I want
to see John Morant go out there, we see how
explosive he is like, and I want to see these
guys go out there and compete like and if you're
not going to do it that way, then go out
(37:55):
and get these professional dunkers. Get a professional dunker and
let them go against the NBA guys and see who wins.
All right, let's head to Philly here.
Speaker 8 (38:04):
So after the super Bowl, Saquon talked, he was throwing
around some Dynasty talk, and then over the weekend he
was at Kanes.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Have you guys been to Kaynes before raising I love Kanes.
Speaker 8 (38:13):
Yeah, he was over at Kines working at Kynes over
the weekend, and he kind of backtracked a little bit.
Here was Saquan on his Dynasty talk after the super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (38:23):
I said, after the game, why can't our dynasty start now?
Speaker 6 (38:27):
Probably had a little bit of chitpain and other stuff
in my system at the time, but you really can't
focus on that.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
You just got to enjoy the moment. It's hard to
win one. You take it in, you enjoyed a moment,
and you start all over kind of with how you
can go that Lombardi up again and do it all
over again.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
So the Dynasty think you can't really call up the net.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
The way you do that is about putting the work in.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
So he's right, he's right.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Typical pen state, typical Penn statu.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
So we all assumed that the Chiefs would kind of
go on a little run, right, But with the Eagles,
do we think they could go on a little dynasty run?
Speaker 7 (38:57):
Jalen Hurts has taken the next step.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
They've got young star, they don't have many star free
agents they could potentially lose, and they've got.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
All their talents. They got strong young talent too. They're
built for it.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It's it is so hard to do again, as we've
seen with the Chief, which is why the Chief's going
back to a third Super Bowl. Nobody ever done that
to go to three straight, let alone try to win
three straight. The chi sare dynasty though, right, Yeah, that's
a dynasty for sure. How many times do they have
to do it before they're considered a dynasty? They got one,
(39:32):
they made, they made an appearance and lies to a
dynasty team.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I think you need another one.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Just want it to be in the conversation to be look, hey,
will be this is like listen, I think the Bills
going to four straight was a dynasty.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
That's a dynasty.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Like I know, and I know that's going to piss
people off. But the Bills going to four straight Super
Bowls is incredible. And you know the fact that they
were unable to win one is they got embarrassed in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Like they were. They were they were going down to
the wire losses. They were phiel gold kicks that were
you know, that one against Dallas pretty bad. The highlight
from that was Don Beebe chasing down leon Let knocking
it out. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
But the Scott Norwood, I'm just saying, you know, I
was thinking about this too. They were showing after the
Bills lost that first Super Bowl, the fan showed up.
There was like the hundreds of thousands of Bills fans
and showed up to support them.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Just losing a Super Bowl. Good.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
The Eagles win a Super Bowl and they're like, people
are getting shot, they're punching police horses, they're blowing chunks
over the rail at night in the morning.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
They can be a dynasty, sa Quon stand on it. Yeah,
they can be a dynasty. I believe they can't. Damn.
There you go. We are Pennsylvania baby. Hell yeah,
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's a Herd Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox
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which people have opened up the offices of Bitch and
(00:42):
Mode to discuss what the f that was that the
NBA rolled out during All Star weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
They was tweaking. I mean I was tweaking on NBA
All Star weekends. It's just you know, people not real much,
not real thrilled with you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, the current format or whatever this this format was.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
This past weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You had a dunk contest featuring a guy who's played
you know, fourteen seconds in the NBA Win it again.
You had whatever, this rinky dink circus tent pop up
event that was supposed to be the All Star Game
show back up, and people are not happy about it
and are not thrilled with the content and the viewing experience.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
That they got bar over the All Star weekend. I
mean I was thrilled because I didn't have an experience
because I didn't view it.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Dan, If you want me to break down who had
the best dunk of the night on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I watched it. I watched the highlights of it all.
But to watch all of it, you know why it
doesn't have that type of mass app because, let me
tell you something, them dunks were crazy good. They're crazy
good dunks, man, And that used to be the highlight
(02:01):
of somewhat of an NBA season. That was what you wanted,
you waited for. You were excited, who's going to be
in the dunk contest? Who's doing it this year? And
you wouldn't learn, like you said, somebody who doesn't even
play very many minutes. You would learn about new people
and they would become celebrities. I'll never forget when Kenny
Skywalker won the dunk contest doing like like aero dynamic,
(02:27):
like acrobatic, like you know, like a ballet. He was
doing ballet in the air when he was dunking, like
Kenny's Skywalker wasn't like a dope basketball player for the Knicks,
but we found out, we learned about who he was
because of the way he was dunking like. It just
built a lot of It built a lot of brands
(02:50):
in the NBA back in the day, like in the
late you know, mid eighties, early nineties, you know, nineties,
like it was All Star Weekend was a thing. And
I think I think the NBA is suffering from the
same exact thing that the NFL is suffering from as
(03:11):
it applies to their All Star weekend, which is what
is the relevance of these weekends? What can you do
to make these weekends more relevant than what they are?
And I don't. I think it's because of technology and
all of these different things that's going on, fast paced technology.
(03:31):
I think it's very it is a riddle that the
NFL or the NBA has yet to figure out.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So the way they laid it out was, it's four
different teams. You had rising stars, you had just like
whatever if the TNT crew had their teams, and to
break down the different categories and they would all meet
up and then they would go into the final just
team Shack, Kenny Chuck, Candae Park like all that stuff.
It was just a fiasco, like there's just there's there's
(04:00):
too much going on. It was not all that entertaining.
It wasn't funny. Like they tried their hardest to try
and add comedy to it. It wasn't funny. And so
Draymond Green, who is you know, slowly becoming better and
better and better, and his media career after he's done play,
it's already blossoming. After his career is over, He's going
to be, you know, sitting with you know, the the
(04:23):
great medium, the great former players to ever do it
post career when it comes to the media. He spoke
last night on TNT and gave a brutally honest critique
of this new format.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
You work all.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Year to be an All Star and you get to
play up to forty and then you're done. This is
so unfair to Victor Winbyama, who just took this game
really seriously, Chake Gilges Alexander who just took this game
really seriously.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
When you talk about chasing out to the.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Points, Wreckers, mellow with Kobe and all these guys who've
had great scoring nice, they don't get the opportunity to
do that with this game. Also, we can watch some
rising stars. We're about to watch that Olympic team. Now
we get to treat of watching the Olympic team play
I against the U nineteen team.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Come on, what are we doing all of one to ten?
Your thoughts of the format? Ten band the best? Yes,
let's zero sucks.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And that's a fair honest assessment. You know what, I
think the real problem is with the NBA. I think
the problem is the timing of it all. That why
would you have because listen, you mentioned the NFL All
All Star games minus Major League Baseball are awful.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They're awful like the.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Pro Bowl looks like, you know, an airing of Double
Dare from twenty years ago. It's like you're waiting for
some guy to slide down a chocolate slide and pull
a flag out of the nose.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Like it's awful.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Like whatever they've they've thought they were doing to try
and protect players in the Pro Bowl, it's terrible. It's
not so much that the All Star Game sucks, it's
the timing of it all. The NFL season just ended,
there are people that are looking for things to watch,
and the NBA throws out this instead of Hey, why
(06:09):
don't we maybe do the All Star Game? I don't know,
like do it the same weekend of the Pro Bowl?
Do it earlier, Like let's let's let's move it up earlier,
so that that way, when the NFL season is over,
we're putting on primetime marquee matchups. You want to throw
Celtics Thunder on because they're two of the best teams
in the league, that's fine. You want to throw the
Lakers with Luke on, but do that and present your
(06:32):
product timing wise, in a better imagine. If you're an
NBA fan and you're like, all right, I'm gonna give
this NFL a try, and the first thing you see
is the Pro Bowl should be looking around and go.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
What the theF is this?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
If you're the NBA, I don't know why they refuse
to counter program. I don't know why they refuse to
acknowledge you're not even the second most popular sport anymore.
You're third behind college football. Why don't you like adjust
your timing We've talked about, you know, start the season
on Christmas Day and move it back so you're not
(07:07):
competing with the NFL during and college football in the
World Series and made all the other stuff that goes
on in the fall. Move your season back. In this case,
this feels like an easy fix. Just have your All
Star game sooner, whatever you want to roll out, But
the first weekend out of the gate with no football,
this is the product you present it. It doesn't make
(07:29):
any sense to me because it's an awful watch. And
now all the conversation is about, man, the league is broken.
It needs to do this, it needs to do that.
Instead of we could be talking about great games, great matchups,
like make it a mar Que moment to where NFL
season's over, We'll take it from here, and instead they
rolled out crap.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well this again, I'll say the saddest part of the
commentary outside of it being true, is is that the
Dunks were phenomenal. They weren't just good, they were phenomenal,
and nobody cared. You know who cared? The people who
are probably upset right now that I said nobody cared,
(08:12):
And that's like the niche portion of basketball fanatics. You
have some basketball purists who love to judge anybody who doesn't,
which you had that in every sport, but those are
the people who care. What I don't understand is, again,
how do you allow for such a disconnect to take
(08:35):
place on something that has been such a major part
of our American culture to slip into non relevance. I
just don't get it. Like the three point contest, people
like watching it. That's something that people will watch. It
(08:56):
was something that it mattered. But no mistake about it.
You enjoyed the game because you knew in the second
half they were all going to play and they were
gonna play hard, and they were gonna want to win
the game, and the dunk contests like that's what it was.
And I just I asked myself when when I when
(09:16):
we were coming into the topic, I asked myself, is
this just a symptom of me? Like old heads are
always the ones that say, oh, it was so much
better when when I was coming up, it was it
was so different. Dah da da these days and you guys,
you young young bucks, don't know anything about you know
what it's all about? This that is so different now?
(09:39):
Am I am? I? Like I gotta take a step
back and say, am I coming at it from the
wrong lens from the wrong perspective, and I looked. I
looked a social media because social media can now give
you an idea of how you're feeling and what the
algorithms are, and because if it's something that's something, it's
(10:00):
gonna be there, it's gonna pop up, it's gonna like
you're making fun of Jello, You're making fun You're making
fun of his song. That's one of the highlights of
the whole deal is making fun of Jello being being
the main that's your main performer. What's there to make
fun of one one song? Like it's not even like
the dude got an album out, Like the dude has
(10:20):
one song that they may go viral and it's not
even really a real performer. Like I'm sitting there, I'm like,
you did not need all this gimmicky stuff. And it
made me take a step back and say to myself,
are we now looking at an NBA that is a
(10:44):
personality less NBA. That's what it made my ultimate my
ultimate thought and my conclusion was do we have an
NBA now, Like do you know the personality of Victor
Winban wim bin Yama? Do you know his personality?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Uh? Yeah, well he reads books before games, which do
you know his personality?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You know, you know why we like Anthony ant Man
so much because it's the first time we get a
pulse of somebody having a freaking personality that You know
why we like Draymond Green because we get a pulse
of what a person? Do you know who Draymond Green is?
Do you know how he is? Sure exactly exactly Steph
(11:34):
Steph Curry, relatively obscure. You know he could shoot the ball.
You know he's a good dude, does things in the community.
You know his why, But do we really know his personality?
You have those type of personalities from back in the day,
but it's like they're like not, they're not the A
list group of celebrities. That's you knew who Michael Jordan was.
(11:54):
In fact, Michael Jordan told all of us to come
fly with him, and every one of us stopped. We
could fly, And that's why we still be wearing this
I got. I don't have no Jordan's on today, but
I had some on yesterday. I had some on yesterday,
and I'd be damn if I don't have Jordan's on
more often than it. Right. Bottom line A New Ballads.
(12:16):
We knew who Dominique Wilkins was, and we were all
trying to beat the Human Highlight film. We all were.
You knew whose foot, what it was. He was the
more quiet one. He was like that quiet one. But
you had so many personalities. Charles Barkley telling you to
f off. I'm not your your role model, I'm not
your kid's role model. I'm not your role model. I
(12:36):
think what has happened with the NBA more specifically, which
you shouldn't lose because they don't wear helmets. You don't
have to battle people not knowing who you are and
what you look like. You're six foot whatever, looking like
an avatar. You gotta have. There has to be more
more established personalities like throwing guns up in the club,
(13:00):
throwing one's strippers, like you can't have John Morant, who
is one of your biggest names and dopest players. That's
how we know you, that's how we know you. Like
that's Jason Williams back in the day and he's like
the degenerate of all the superstars. But even then you
knew who Jason Williams was. Personality was because it was
(13:22):
a point to make sure that the personalities were getting
consumed by the consumer. You're selling the game. We know
who Lebron James is. We know his personality, we know
who he is. He drives it because his personality and
us knowing him, us going on this NBA journey with
Lebron makes sense. How many players in today's NBA can
(13:45):
we say that about when you could say that about
each team, each team. If you were a Pistons fan,
it was Vinnie the Microwave, it was Isaiah Thomas, it
was Joe Dumars, it was Rick Mahorn, and you knew
who they were because they had They all had Bill Lambert.
They all had their their personalities that you love that
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made them the bad boys. If it was the New
York Knicks, from Oakley to Mason to Ewing to Starts
to Mark Jackson, you knew who these people were by
market and their personalities drove the game, and they mattered
from the Celtics to you name it, the Rockets, they
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all had their different personalities. The Portland Trailblazers, the Indiana Pacers,
sitting there choking that Reggie, Reggie Miller. We got to
know Reggie Miller. He's sitting there choking himself out to
Spike Lee. There were so many great moments that built
a relationship between the players, the teams, and the fans.
(14:50):
It's unrecognizable. You don't have that. I mean, am I
off on this? Do we? There's that's a disconnect. That's
a disconnect like, what's what is the connection to the player,
what is the connection to the players as in general,
and what's the connection to the team. Where has that gone?
Because I think in a way, largely in part because
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of fantasy football and all this stuff going on with gambling,
I think it's decentralized football as well. I think that's
a large part of the problem that we have in
football at this point now as well, is that decentralizing
of what the fan could really focus in on, in
that connection to the player and that connection to the team.
I think it's been I think it's been removed. Well,
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I mean, the good news is the All Star Weekend's over,
So there you go. Hopefully this is the last time
we got talked about it. At least at least there's that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So so if you're not a fan of the All
Star Weekend, congratulations, it's Monday.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It's over.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
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Speaker 3 (17:36):
From now, and the headline news.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
We are going to talk about what the future of
the NFL could look like, and it's involving somebody who
might have had a little too much to drink, So
we will get into that for you again a little hard.
Twenty minutes from now no, no Lee, oh no Brady?
Oh just you and I yeah, man, yeah, just grinding
you and me, Greag two week Chris Purfetts here eh yeah, yeah,
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yay on a holiday, just grinding away here, if you
got to grind it, all right, So here we go.
This is god, this is so much fun. Aaron Rodgers
and the Jets are no longer together? All right, they
broke up.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
All right.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We're gonna treat this like it's, you know, a celebrity breakup.
They're no longer together. Oh Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, believe it or not. Now were they together now?
Or did they track?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
There's some fun developments on this. Albert Breer of our
buddy who comes on with us every week on two
pros and a cup of Joe, He said the following
in his MMQB column quote. The reality was that the
Jets desire to move on was about them and not
rogers and timelines that don't match up. New York was
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looking at a deliberate reimagination of its football operation, which
was going to be tough to marry up with a
quarterback playing for this year alone. There was no ultimatum
on discussing Aaron's outside media appearances, but there was a
disc ushion about it, so that from Albert Breer, who
just kind of said, listen, you know, this whole thought
that I think the athletic came out with that he
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can't do the Pat McAfee show, and they were trying to,
you know, set some rules and.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
All that was propaganda.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Not exactly the exact played out, but this is why
this is hilarious. Talk about Steve Helling. And Ryan Dunlevy
of The New York of New York Posts reported that
Rogers quote pleaded with the Jets to keep him, and
that in the final conversation with the team's new regime,
he quote aggressively urged the franchise to give him another
year or even two. In the end, he reportedly accepted
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the decision quote like a man going.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
To the gallows dot dot dot.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
What a bunch of men, what a bunch of craft sports.
It's just it's so bad. But what it does do
is illustrate the point that Aaron Rodgers was right the
entire time, because he told everybody there's too many leaks
in the organization, There's too much of this stuff going on.
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He's been out the door for twenty minutes, and already
you've got three different reports about what happened and what transpired,
none of which have come from him.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
All from the jets that you know of who you.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Think he's gonna portray himself as walking to the gallows
within the opposed No, but but the idea of putting
something out there to make him more of a sympathetic
figure could be a form of subterfuse for him.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
That organization is a diaper fire, and I think that's
what it also ultimately comes down to, is whether some
of it was rogers or not, you're still looking at
an organization that that runs it in a toxic manner.
And I always reference back I lived in it, I
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worked in it, and I understand what that type of
environment does to the players, to the people that work
in the building, from the people who clean up the
locker rooms, to who takes care of the field, to
the reception that's at the front, to the media department,
to the scouting department, to the sales department, advertising, you
name it. Toxic is toxic, and it becomes a part
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of the entire culture of what you have going on
operationally speaking, and without knowing very much about the New
York Jets and having been through their doors, I can
just tell you the things that you see, the things
that you hear that come from that organization internally totally
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illustrates what dysfunction and what toxic looks like. It's like
the epitome of what it would be like if you
say it, here's the definition of what toxic or what
dysfunctional looks like. It would have the New York Jets
as an example. And listen, I'm sorry if you're a
New York Jets fan and that offends you, but the
reality of it is is that you, guys ultimately become
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a part of that dysfunction too. You ultimately become a
product of the culture as well as fans because you
are living through these moments that get leaked out and
get and get pushed out by by the New York media.
And the New York media has always had what I
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would say a fun time with taking the stories and
the leaks and the information that they get and putting
it in their periodicals or or reporting on it. I
mean Francessa, Mike, Mike, Mike, Francessa, Francessa, I mean he
can talk twenty hours about what's going on just in
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New York sports if he wanted to. I've been in
the I've been in the studio and have had an
opportunity to listen to him and how he's able to
talk about New York sports and what's going on. It
is a part of the coulture. And if you don't
have a solid sound way of how you handle your
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business internally with your sports organization, it will ultimately become
what you are. And that's what you see. Hell, that's
what you're saying with the New York Giants right now.
And I would have never thought that you would say that.
From my time there, it seemed like it was a
very well organized, very well structured group by the Mirror
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and the Tish family that it seemed like they did
just an amazing job. But it even seems like they
have now fallen victim to the same exact toxic uh
not operating out a high level dysfunctional organization. It's the
New York teams period right now.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
In football, So like for the Jimmy Butler Miami Heat situation,
that that was toxic towards the end, because I mean,
you know, these reports about he left, you know, left
him on the tarmac. He wasn't showing up. He didn't
get a lot, like just one out of there. But
when it was over, he said, I got nothing but
respect for the organization.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And it was done.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
We were gone like that, like it was over. He
went his way. That's fine, he listen, didn't work out.
You have fun in me at Golden State. You know,
we're going to do our thing all as well. Like
the Jets, just can't let it go like this, it's over.
You're moving on, like you've you've made the decision, you've
gotten out there that you want to move on from
Aaron Rodgers that the timeline's don't add up all as well.
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Yet every day a new detail comes out.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Why for what Because it's New York. It's because it's
I'm telling you it's because it's New York.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Trade for Justin Tucker. Okay, Like if you want content,
I make a move.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
They got enough of them. Massage parlors. Yeah, they do
red open side. Okay, I look for I was told
just look for the red open sign for massages and
that's the place and they and they probably keep better secrets.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Like I'm just like you know, like if you're looking
for if that's what you want it to be like,
and it feels different than we talk about the Cowboys
and Jerry Jones and you know, he's all, you know what,
loves the drama and loves to be you know, have
the team out there. But it feels different because like
with Jerry Jones, like you know, like what you know,
this is about a business, the Jets. It's just about drama.
(25:24):
Like we just got to get our story out, like
we gotta we gotta get this out and that. And
so when the discussion becomes, hey, what's going to happen
next for both sides? Where's Rogers? And uh, you know,
like the different teams that are out there that are
being rumored to be interested in him.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I mean that becomes the story, right, well, that should
be what becomes the story.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And the reason that becomes the story is because there's
not a person walking the face of the earth. I
don't care if you're fireman ed, I don't care if
you're some mechanic in Brooklyn, I don't care who you are.
That's a diehard Jets fan. There's not a Jets fan
walking the planet who has any confidence it's that this
organization is going to be able to figure it out
a at quarterback and B roster wise, to get back
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to the playoffs or get back to some sort of relevancy.
It's not happening, like nobody should feel any confidence in it.
And especially after well, we got rid of the old regime.
We got rid of our GM and our head coach
and our quarterback. We got a brand new coach, brand
new GM. We are back. You just got rid of
your quarterback. And instead of hearing about what the plan
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is for them possible yes, and.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Throwing dirt on on a dead hurt, it's over.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It's done, Like the coffin. It's in the ground. They're
shoveling dirt on and they're and they're trying to open it,
pry it back open and get one last lick in
like the body's cold and they want to get one
more insult in. Oh yeah, you pos like, like no,
just close the lid, throw some dirt on it, yes,
(26:58):
And they won't. They they've got there's got to run
to the media. I gotta get these stories out.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And and it's like it's somebody who drives like a
super fast car, super loud car, and they like making
it rev up and like like get into everybody's like
day and interrupt it while they're having a peaceful meal
or whatever it may be. Yeah, it's the same type. Right,
you're insecure about something. Them dudes in them cars that'd
be revenue, they got something wrong with them. But if
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there's something that is insignificant about it, if I did
that with my truck, if I try to have my
truck your car, would that it would vanish? Yeah, it
would disappear and you would evaporate with it, Like I
would just be sitting there holding a steering First off,
your your truck would not be capable of making that
type of no sound anyway. So but I almost feel
like that's a reverse. You're hiding something, Like there's a
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reverse something wrong with you jailing. It's like you're not
getting the brand new one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand
dollars car that says hey, hey, look, pay attention to me.
You got the the five thousand dollars truck that that says, hey, uh,
load up your your tools. We're gonna go, you know,
mow some lawns. Look at the backseat handle. We're gonna
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go handle some plumbing or you know, look at the backseat.
It's it's the outfits for a mariachi band, like to
the instrument there. I'm just saying, like, but you got equally,
you probably have something that you're compensating for as well
by under underwhelming yourself with the vehicle that you drive.
It's the same thing with this New York Jets organization,
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same thing probably with the ownership is is that there
is a tremendous amount of trying to overcompensate for an
in adequacy of something. And maybe it's winning, maybe maybe
it's relevance in the sportsphere. I don't know what it is,
but they are over compensating and it's like play to hits.
You know how you hit you with play Jonas, play
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the hits. Let's talk about dollars of doubt. Whatever it
may be. I think that this is one of those
things where they won't get to leverage Aaron rod You
know how they get to leverage him again is if
Aaron Rodgers went somewhere and did really poorly. I don't
think they would try to leverage him. If he went
somewhere and did really well. I think Aaron Rodgers would
leverage it if he went somewhere and did really well.
But that's the only way you get to use Aaron
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Rodgers again to generate some type of ROI because you've
gotten zero in reality of an ROI from bringing in
Aaron Rodgers to your organization. They're trying to get their
return on investments, so they're going to keep playing the hits.
It's fresh into the into the off season. You did
do all of those things with all these new people,
so basically paint a picture of how fed up it was,
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so that now you can sit there and say, hey,
look at what we did. We are doing things better.
We are being a better organization, you know what I mean.
Like we're getting Aaron Rodgers up out of here. You know,
he's not going to get any more coaches fired. Da
Da da Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, your toxic. You did this,
like get rid of them, Like okay, there go listen, Aaron.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
We're really really concerned about you know, if you did
come back, what would it look like these weekly media
appearances you're doing with the Pat McAfee show. That's our
big concern. While we go to the media and multiple
times over to let them know that we're telling you
not to go to the media or else you It's like, dude,
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Okay, as long as we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
When you do it, you know, it would be like
like a drug addict standing outside of fast food place
going hey, man, get your life together. Tang excuse you,
you've got to You've got a spoon with a lighter
and it's noon.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I'm having a milkshake and fries both to kill you. Yeah, yes,
that's why I use PhD weight line. That's right, what
a PhD both to kill you? Though, I'm just telling
you the damn Jets you I'll say this is like
a strawberry milkshake yesterday from In and Out. By the way,
did you hit the spot? Damn? Yeah. It was better
(31:00):
than watching the NBA All Star And it's also better
than talking about Aaron Rodgers getting asked on by the Jets,
because we already know they they did equal. If you
ask me, they did equally. To put us on one
another from Aaron Rodgers and how he's handled things to
the way the Jets have handled things, it ain't as
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good as that strawberry milk shit by the way, By
the way, if I had a strawberry milkshake, I'd have
to throw away my shoes in a half hour. Oh yeah,
like tolerant? Are you like those of taller I'm something
something I am? I am and I and I was
in Penn's music or dance recital yesterday and and I
(31:41):
just got to tell you if they had those those
like those things they have at at Disney where it
monitors you or it has the heat and they can
see the gases coming from you. Really you know what
I'm talking about. And we talked about that they can
kick you out of that or a rush you if
you're passing gas. Yeah, they ban you from the park.
(32:03):
If you're passing go don't come to a radio studio.
Oh well, you shouldn't have been there. Nowhere near me yesterday,
nowhere near your boy yesterday. Every time somebody dance, I like,
do one of them like movements like I dance with
them like it's just like like a little duck come
out like run, you know. And it was strawberry milkshake
(32:24):
because I'm lactose intolerant, but I really enjoyed it. Laar.
You're a trumpet player. I try to make sure it
was loud. It was great acoustics in there, so you me,
I mean it was good though, you know, outside of
representation of the of the product. No, you know, no,
I didn't didn't well, I mean the the Jets are
(32:44):
success in tolerant, So there's that.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
What is.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Reaction?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
It is the Herd Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington,
Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up next in The
Herdline News though, were going to tell you what the
future could look like in the NFL. And these are
comments from somebody who might have had a little bit
too much to drink. We'll get into that for you
here on FSR.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
at noon Easter. Not a em Pacific, no, no, this
is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And it stars Break Tooey, Yeah, brot him up.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Jonas, good to be back with you.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Screw you music.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
You know when they have Jason McIntyre to Ryan Music
to me the ep og, you know what, there's something wrong.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
There's something wrong well.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And now you know we appreciate it because you know,
you take your craft seriously.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
You're not You're not in Bangladesh, Like I don't mess around. Yeah,
I don't mess around. I don't go halfway across the world.
I'm a grinder, Yeah, I'm a grinder. I'm grinding with
you guys today.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I feel you all right.
Speaker 8 (33:48):
So Mac McClung is now our three time dunk champion, right,
and nobody questions his repertoire of dunks, right, LeVar, you were.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Saying earlier they were amazing, Right, they were awesome.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
So last night after the doe or Saturday after the
work though, there were there were.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Yeah, he just liked the props to cars and all
that stuff.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
So after the dunk contest, veterans veteran stars waiting on
social media saying they would be interested in doing the
dunk contest. Here John Morant, Mac might make me decide
to dunk, Johannis Tjah If you do it, I'll do
it haha. Zach Levine thinking guy might have to do
it again. So Lebron was asked after the dunk contest
if he's had any regrets about never participating in the
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dunk contest.
Speaker 9 (34:28):
There's no part of me to have regrets about not
doing it.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Obviously.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
I had a couple of moments where I wanted to
do it, and it just never worked out that way
going into the following season, either because the injuries or
I just wasn't up. I wasn't up for it. I mean,
if those guys do do it, I mean, those are stars,
superstars in our league, and obviously we know the apleticism
that the guys justus name, it'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
So, LeVar, you hit this earlier like we need the
stars back, right, we need the stars back. My biggest issue,
and I told Jonas Is yesterday, was that is that
mac mcclun's white Oh wow, Oh you didn't say we.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I did not say that.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Let's not say that.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Sorry, I screenshoted, so I said, I texted Yonah screenshot
of mac mcclunk's stats this year, Jonas, do you remember
how many points.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
He's averaged this year in the NBA? Something like a
zero point zero?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (35:16):
The problem that the NBA cannot have their Dunk Contest
champion not being an NBA player?
Speaker 7 (35:21):
Am I crazy? LeVar? Am I crazy?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
No, you're not. You're not.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And by the way, why do you have like, uh, actually,
you know what they should do if you want star
power why do you have Bronni James or his yellow
ball next year in the finals?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
All right, why not? I just think that, well, to
your point, you have to have that nice blend of
the megastars and the obscure stars, like there's nothing wrong
if an obscure star comes out and beat you. I think,
if Lebron is being honest, if he's being real, he
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didn't want to loose. Like, let's be clear, I don't
think he wanted to lose, because I think that that
would have hit him in a certain type of way.
He clearly keeps his name relevant within the goat conversation,
and I just think that that's one of those you know,
people rarely bring it up as a sticking point in
the argument. But let's be clear. MJ was owning them
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dunk contests. He was owning them dunk contests, yep. And
you couldn't get Lebron to do one. Yeah, and you
and you knew how explosive he was, Like he mess
around with people posted on social throw the ball off
the wall, boom boom, bounce, bounce, bounce, go catch it,
dunk it, like he mess around with people, but he
never really went for the Dunk Contest like and I
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think that that that was that that showed something that
was exposed exposure.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
You don't have to be, to your point, a superstar
to do it like it just it's the fact that
it's somebody that's not on a roster. It just feels weird.
Like remember when Dee Brown won it, he didn't have
to pumped his ship. So he isn't a star player,
but he played. I think he was on the rookie
al teams. He was an ok player and and he
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that though, is what he's known for. So it can
increase your value from that standpoint. But it's like there's
no way for them to build on the back of
this because Mac mcclunk doesn't play. So it's not like, oh, hey,
there's that guy from the Dunk Contest.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Where your problem lies. That's where your problem.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
And he can win it one year find but he's
not won it three years in a row. Like That's
that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Is even if he wins it because his dunks are dope, Like,
there's nothing wrong with him winning it. It's who he's
winning against. Ye beat Lebron beat John Morant. I want
to see John Morant go out there, we see how
explosive he is like, and I want to see these
guys go out there and compete like and if you're
not going to do it that way, then go out
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and get these professional dunkers. Get a professional dunker and
let them go against the NBA guys and see who wins.
All right, let's head to Philly here.
Speaker 8 (38:04):
So after the super Bowl, Saquon talked, he was throwing
around some Dynasty talk, and then over the weekend he
was at Kanes.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Have you guys been to Kaynes before raising I love Kanes.
Speaker 8 (38:13):
Yeah, he was over at Kines working at Kynes over
the weekend, and he kind of backtracked a little bit.
Here was Saquan on his Dynasty talk after the super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (38:23):
I said, after the game, why can't our dynasty start now?
Speaker 6 (38:27):
Probably had a little bit of chitpain and other stuff
in my system at the time, but you really can't
focus on that.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
You just got to enjoy the moment. It's hard to
win one. You take it in, you enjoyed a moment,
and you start all over kind of with how you
can go that Lombardi up again and do it all
over again.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
So the Dynasty think you can't really call up the net.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
The way you do that is about putting the work in.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
So he's right, he's right.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Typical pen state, typical Penn statu.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
So we all assumed that the Chiefs would kind of
go on a little run, right, But with the Eagles,
do we think they could go on a little dynasty run?
Speaker 7 (38:57):
Jalen Hurts has taken the next step.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
They've got young star, they don't have many star free
agents they could potentially lose, and they've got.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
All their talents. They got strong young talent too. They're
built for it.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It's it is so hard to do again, as we've
seen with the Chief, which is why the Chief's going
back to a third Super Bowl. Nobody ever done that
to go to three straight, let alone try to win
three straight. The chi sare dynasty though, right, Yeah, that's
a dynasty for sure. How many times do they have
to do it before they're considered a dynasty? They got one,
(39:32):
they made, they made an appearance and lies to a
dynasty team.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I think you need another one.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Just want it to be in the conversation to be look, hey,
will be this is like listen, I think the Bills
going to four straight was a dynasty.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
That's a dynasty.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Like I know, and I know that's going to piss
people off. But the Bills going to four straight Super
Bowls is incredible. And you know the fact that they
were unable to win one is they got embarrassed in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Like they were. They were they were going down to
the wire losses. They were phiel gold kicks that were
you know, that one against Dallas pretty bad. The highlight
from that was Don Beebe chasing down leon Let knocking
it out. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
But the Scott Norwood, I'm just saying, you know, I
was thinking about this too. They were showing after the
Bills lost that first Super Bowl, the fan showed up.
There was like the hundreds of thousands of Bills fans
and showed up to support them.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Just losing a Super Bowl. Good.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
The Eagles win a Super Bowl and they're like, people
are getting shot, they're punching police horses, they're blowing chunks
over the rail at night in the morning.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
They can be a dynasty, sa Quon stand on it. Yeah,
they can be a dynasty. I believe they can't. Damn.
There you go. We are Pennsylvania baby. Hell yeah,
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