July 16, 2024 • 41 mins
Jaylen Brown not being on the US men's team and Bronny James being drafted was a misuse of power
Forget the QB list, Josh Allen is highly underrated
Knicks owner James Dolan appears to be a huge fan of Julius Randle even though the Knicks were playing better without him
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Ah, here we go. It is a Tuesday, and we
are live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for
Megan Hou's part of your day. We have so many
things to talk about today, All Star Game tonight and
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topics today. Here we are in July, middle of July,
and this is usually the slowest sports week of the year,
and we got a ton to talk about today.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Jamac it should be a very spirited showers and I
want to start about something just because you have power
in life, be.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Very, very very careful about always using it because people
keep track. We'll start the show talking about the misuse
of power, not the abuse of power. I don't think
it rises to abuse, but it's arguably misuse. So Jalen
Brown doubled down on his Nike theory, which is the
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reason he is not on the Olympic basketball team is
because of Nike. I think he's right. It should be
noted he's the best player in the league, not on
the team. He's not a Nike guy. Kyrie Irving's the
second best player in the league, not on the team.
He got dropped by Nike in twenty twenty two. I
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don't think it's a coincidence. Nike right now has a
leadership issue. And I was in Bver in Oregon this
weekend going to the Zoo, not Nike. In Portland, they
butchered the Major League baseball jerseys. It's as bad a
gaff as I've ever seen in my life on jerseys
by a sports apparel company, and Nike usually gets it right.
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Their stock is down thirty three percent in six months.
Phil Knight is now eighty six. He's a visionary and
a brilliant man, but he acknowledges he is all in
on Oregon football, winning them a Natty in the nil
and now they have the Olympic mess. It feels like
there's a leadership issue. As Phil Knight ages this happens
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all the time in corporate America. There has always been
this very tricky dance by Nike and sports apparel companies.
You want to use the velvet hammer, not the sledge hammer.
You have massive power in college and professional sports. You
don't want to abuse it. And I don't think this
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rises to a abuse of power. It's the Olympics. It
gets political. It was political MJ and Isaiah Thomas, but
it does feel like an overstep, an overreach by Nike.
Jalen brown not being on the team is ridiculous. It's
absolutely ridiculous. The finals of the MVP, MVP of the
Finals and the Eastern Conference finals. He's a tremendous basketball player.
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Nike a misuse of power. The second misuse of power
we have seen this week lebron jameson Clutch Sports. They
engineered Bronny getting drafted with a number fifty five pick. Now,
it was a terrible draft, and anybody drafted there was
gonna be a G leaguer at best. But Brownie offensively
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doesn't even look like a g leaguer. It's been embarrassing.
He's over fourteen on threes. He was bad again last night.
Now I do think athletically he can be a defender
in this league. Maybe, but he would not have been
drafted if not for Lebron James and clutch sport in
a good draft, can't draft it. This team, the Lakers
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can't really waste draft picks, but they do need on
ball defenders. They're old in spots, expensive in others. He's
cheap and can defend that. I don't deny. But in
both the case of Nike and the case of Lebron James,
they had power. Power can corrupt. Men tend to flex.
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Anytime they have power, they use it, misuse it, or
abuse it. This classifies as misusing it. And this is
the classic dad, the classic parent trying to muscle his
kid to get a job that he didn't really earn
and kind of getting in the way the natural flow
of life, usurping somebody getting power, jamming a kid in
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you how many times I've been asked, hey, can you
get my son my daughter a job at blankety blank blank?
And my answer as always, I can get him an internship.
Maybe I can't get him a job. They're not qualified.
It hurts, it's painful, it's the truth. So both Nike,
Clutch Sports and lebron had leverage, and in my opinion,
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this is the downside to it. Brownie's been sort of
embarrassing so far. Now the Lakers are in a position
where the new coach JJ Reddick now has to go
to the microphone and tap dance to make sure he
says all the right things about Brownie.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
He's a development player. That's how we're looking at Bronnie.
He's certainly going to spend time with the Lakers. He
will spend time as well in.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
The G League.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
We're going to develop his shot, will develop his ball skills.
He's already got a great feel. He has a really
good instinctive nature on the defensive end.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, that's a good way of saying he can't be
careful when you accumulate power, how you use it, just
because you have it. Sometimes it's best to let the
natural flow of business work, just let things play out
as they would without your power. So I have joked
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kind of sort of not really that I do think
if I didn't do this for the living, the broadcasting thing,
and I would have spent the last thirty years trying
to be an NFL executive, not broadcasting. I just started
going toward the NFL, I think I'd be a pretty
good executive. I know I would not have drafted JaMarcus Russell,
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Johnny Manzel, Daniel Jones, Zach Wilson, Tim Tebow in the
first round. I would have drafted Zam Darnold though, and
he may still have something. But one of the reasons
I think this is I hear things all the time
around the NFL, and it sound like they're coming from
unserious people. Here's the latest. An NFL executive rips Josh Allen,
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one of the more overrated players, makes a lot of mistakes.
Oh good god, somebody seriously said that. So I have
a theory on life. Would you ever tell your kids
in life? Hey, Johnny, Hey, Susie, play it safe, don't
make mistakes, don't take any big swings, and if you
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do make a mistake, punish yourself. Life's about being perfect. No,
it's not. Life's about being a playmaker and taking swings.
And it's okay whether you're an artist or a quarterback
or a point guard to have turnovers. Josh Allen is transformative.
He's won his division four straight years, and in those
four years he has the most touchdowns ever by any
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player in the history of the sport, even more than
Patrick Mahomes. Until last season, he had no run game,
no consistent run game outside of left tackle. The offensive
line's been a revolving door of players, and for the record,
he's on his third offensive coordinator in seven years. But
Josh Allen doesn't play it safe. Patrick Mahomes sometimes throws
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it left handed or sidearm. You want to know who
also had a lot of interceptions. Peyton Manning and Brett
Favre and John Elway and Dan Marino and Joe Namath
and Josh Allen. Point guards, business people, politicians. Quarterbacks don't
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play it safe. You're not just distributors of messages. You're playmakers.
The greatest quarterbacks many of them Brady's an exception, Mahomes
a little bit too, have thrown lots of picks. I
think the issue with Josh Allen is there are two
defensive coaches in this sport that are very good, Mike
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Tomlin and Sean McDermott. The latter is Josh's coach, and
both those coaches have struggled developing consistent run games, hiring
the right offensive coordinator, and getting the old lines right.
Both of them offensive coaches speak a different language. That's
why it's such an advantage for Mahomes or Joe Burrow
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or initially Kyler Murray or Tua. That went from Brian
Flores to Mike McDaniel the defensive coach, bench Tua the
offensive coach, made him a pro bowler. Dak O line,
run game, Jason Garrett, it's such an advantage to have.
It's a different language an offensive coach. When especially you're
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a young quarterback, you're making mistakes. You need to be refined.
Josh Allen needed Brian Dable. You think Daniel Jones makes
the playoffs without Brian, then Dable. So this is not
about mistakes. This is a quarterback that's overcome no run game,
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revolving door, offensive line, third different coordinator, and a defensive
coach who is not a bad coach, but like Mike Tomlin,
doesn't have a great feel for offensive elements of the game.
Sean McVeigh and Andy Reid have rebuilt offensive lines in
one off season. The Steelers are still trying to get
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theirs right over the last six years. But this goes
back to a fundamental belief. What an awful thing where
you could tell your kids in life is to play
it safe, don't elevate others, don't take big swings, be
paralyzed by any mistake. The great point guards, the great quarterbacks,
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the great politicians, the great business people, Steve Jobs, Jeff
Bezos often talk about the value of going for it,
the process of learning from mistakes. Yes, Josh Allen throws
some ugly picks, but over the four years that he's
won the division, he's the most productive player in the
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history of the sport. And some knucklehead is saying, you know,
it got guys overrated. I'd argue he's underrated. He just
doesn't quite have all the elements offensively that you need
to beat. Maybe the greatest quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, and the
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greatest coach, arguably Andy Reid of all time. It's Phil
Mickelson playing in Tiger's prime. It's Takeima lajah On playing
in Jordan's prime. He won when Michael left. Part of
Josh Allen's issue. Andy Reid and Mahomes may go down
as the greatest quarterback coach combo in league history. Brady
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Belichick were and it kept Peyton Manning out of a
lot of super Bowls. That was not a knock on
Peyton Manning. It was a reality on Brady and Belichick.
All fight. I'll die on this hill Josh Allen. To
this point, the criticism is silly. He's underrated. If you
redrafted everybody in this league, Mahomes won Josh Allen two,
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those would be the first two pick. There'll be no
defensive players, no special deams players, no wide receivers. You
could draft today. Burrow wouldn't get picked. Injuries, Lamar wouldn't
get picked. Playoffs, success lack of it. If you redrafted
every guy in this league today, it would be number
one Mahomes and number two Allen. And the only reason
Mahomes would be drafted over Allen if you redrafted there'd
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be pressure to take him because he's got all the
trophies and Alan doesn't. All right, just to start today,
I haven't even fired on all cylinders yet. Got me
all worked up on that. Okay, So we've said this
for years and years. If you look at bad sports
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teams baseball, basketball, football, hockey, and they're bad for thirty years,
it's not the coach, it's not the general manager, it's
not the scouts. It's the ownership and the New York
Knicks for the last couple of years have been very
well run. Coming up next oh potential problems.
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Speaker 1 (14:23):
So you know, for years and years the Knicks ran
through players and coaches and executives. But the real issue
with James Dolan, he was a meddler and we've seen
this with the Dallas Cowboys, the vanity of Jerry Jones.
When Jerry didn't have a great say with Jimmy Johnson.
They were winning super Bowls when Jimmy got pushed back
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from Bill Parcells. They rebuilt this puppy. But then Jerry
hires coaches that need him, that wouldn't get head coaching
opportunities elsewhere. Mike McCarthy was on the beach, you know,
Chan Gaily, solid coaches. Probably they feel like they owe Jerry.
And then Jerry can again use the hammer and his
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power and be the de facto general manager. And that's
not what he should be or he's capable of being.
He's not that guy. And it's why I think they
tend to overpay the wrong players, overpay early, and miss
on some draft picks. I think the Cowboys can win
games in a wonky division and a weaker NFC. I
don't believe they'd be a consistent playoff team in the AFC, right,
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That's that's my take is that it helps that they're
in a division with poorly run Washington and New York
and a little up and down Philadelphia. That helps put
him in a division you know, over there with the
you know, the Bengals and the and maybe the Ravens
and the Steelers and now Cleveland's loaded. I don't think
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they'd be a playoff team. But this story is worrisome
because the last two years James Dolan has been very busy.
He's a music guy. The band loves music. Building the sphere,
it's been about a five year project, but the last
two or three until it was finalized, James Dolan was
sidetracked and the Knicks front office was excellent, excellent drafting, acquisition,
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player development with Tibbs and the guys in the front office.
This story is very concerning. The sphere is finished and
now James Dolan now he's back to the Knicks. According
to the athletics Fred Katz on The Knicks Film School podcast,
Dolan loves the Knicks Julius Randall. He's a huge, quote
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huge Julius Randall fan. He loves Randall. He loves that
Randall chose Dolan and New York. He loves his game.
Oh boy, the Knicks had success this year after Randall
got hurt. He doesn't space the floor because he can't shoot.
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He's an so so defender and he stops the ball offensively.
He just doesn't share very well on a very unselfish team.
Isaiah Hartenstein, actually, a true center who can defend other centers,
was a much better fit. Randall can't. He's a tiny five.
He has value, he can score, He's productive, but he
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doesn't work for this team, which often starts four guards.
They need a true center. That was Hartenstein and why
I said after the Paul George move, the other move
in free agency that really caught my eye was the
center the big going to Oklahoma City. I'm not sure
it's gonna help Okay see as much as it potentially
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hurts the Knicks. When Randall left the team, ball movement
was better, spacing was better, offensive bounding was better. The
ball didn't stop. They were better and tougher defensively. I'm
not anti Julius Randall. I defended him for years. There's
there's room for Julius Randall in this league, but as
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a max guy on this team would be an organizational
clogging decision. He fit somewhere, it's not New York. So
I'm just saying sometimes Jimmy Johnson told me years ago
that the reason Jerry Jones didn't interfere the first couple
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of years in Dallas because Jerry wedged himself and as
an owner, he had to make the money back. He
didn't have a lot of extra money. Jerry was hustling
for two to three years on the operational side on
the other side of the building. So Jerry Jones was
too distracted and creating and driving the cowboy business on
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the other side of the building. Once he got that humming,
he then wanted to go over to the other side
of the building where Jimmy Johnson had built a dynasty,
and there the problems ensued. So sometimes having an owner
who's potentially disruptive, distracted, he's got another project, he's got
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a you know, a new girlfriend, he's got a new yacht,
he's got a new business. James Dolan, I got no
problem with him owning the team. The sphere caught his attention.
He didn't distract, it didn't meddle, and the next the
last two years have been grown up run by like
grown ups. I made really good decisions. This one would
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worry me. Quote James Dolan loves Julius Randall loves that
he chose New York. Oh boy. J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
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Speaker 6 (20:01):
Newsnight Listen just for the rerecord.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
Julius Randall, all NBA player twice can get you twenty
twenty five a night.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So con Zach Levine and the Bulls can't give him
a way.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
True, but listen, Jalen bruns It.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
You can't play him thirty seven minutes a night and
expect a postseason run.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Randall's gonna be pivotal for them. They need him, They're.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Able, They can move him and get a better fit.
Hartenstein was a better fit.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Hartenstein will be missed, and he.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Averaged by the way. I can't believe you would say
that I could have hired far more people in your chair.
You didn't have the most experience. It's a good fit.
Hartenstein averages eight a game. He was a perfect fit.
Relentless offensive rebounder, never clog it up, could defend a five,
didn't get away the offense. Julius is a bad defender.
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If he he clogs the offense, he doesn't help with space,
and he can't shoot. If he was four inches tallerant
could be a true five and defend centers. It would
be fine. But they're gonna have to go small ball.
And you think the Warriors were small. If Julius Randalls
your five, you are tiny.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
They still have Robinson, the big guy, but like he's
always Julius Randall.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
We're talking about a good, good player. He's a top
thirty player in the list. Is ali Let's not right.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's a fit story.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I get that.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
But with Bridges and the four Villanova guys, you know
they have a fit.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Randall will have to fill the getting bigger. Poor zingis
Yannis Jokich Wemby and Julius Randall's your center.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
You can play a stretch four. He's not a great shooter,
he's a good shoot.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
No, I'm talking defensively. You'll be the smallest team in
the league. I mean, this league's getting bigger. The small
ball nonsense is over. The league's getting bigger.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
So we established Brunson's one.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Right absolutely, and.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
The two on them is gonna get Hill. Bridges as
perfect as a three.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
He's perfect. I don't think this is a championship team.
They're a very good team.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
I think the fourth best odds in the league to
win the title.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, I think that's overstated. I think there's teams in
the West.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Wait, the Sixers better than the next right now.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Paul George is a complete difference.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I forgot we haven't tol.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Embiid Embiid backing in on Julius Randall because Mitchell Robinson
will be hurt. Really you think you think that's a
And by the way, I've got Paul George is better
than Michale Bridges. I'll get the runasons better than MAXI.
But the point being is the league's getting giant. You
can't go small ball again.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
I'm fine giving Embiid forty forty five a night against
the Knicks, and the Knicks will win the game because
then beads a ballhog and.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Everybody in New York knows I'm right on this.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
No, listen, I'm not saying keep Randall. I'm just saying
right now, the way they're structured, they're not bad. I
don't think you can go get a big stud for
Julius Randall.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You don't need a big stud. What you need is
a center, a legitimate run the floor, relentless offensive rebounding fours.
I'm telling you that Hartenstein departure, it's a It's an
absolute loss for the Knicks.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
They got what second round deep with Julius Randall not playing.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
I think they were in good shape.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
All right, let's go to the NFL Colin yesterday we
discussed the top ten quarterbacks ranked by NFL executive, coaches
and scouts, and one name that didn't come up, brock Purty.
We touched on it briefly, but we didn't mention that
in the article. They call brock Purty a system quarterback
and game manager. Being sure sounds like what Tom Brady
was called early in his career. An anonymous exec added,
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you're not gonna win because of him in most cases
the truck except you know, he has more fourth quarter
comeback victories in the playoffs and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
But yes, you're not gonna win because of him.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Context go go for it, just like Julius Randall. It's
a bad fit. He's not a bad player. Don't conflate
the two. It's like people today on the internet are
conflating inefficiency by the Secret Service as a conspiracy theory.
Those are two different things. Inefficiency average employees probably shouldn't
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have been on that assignment, is not a conspiracy. A
very solid distribution quarterback on a well coached, loaded team
does not make a great quarterback. A lot of guys
that played with Lebron Matthew Della Vdova for an hour
was a player. A lot of guys that played with
Lebron looked really good. And then Lebron leaves. In j R.
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Smith's career, he golfs a lot now like that, you
have to put things in context. Julius Randall good player,
not a great fit going forward. Brock Purty solid, good player,
not a great player. Put him on. Put him on.
If if he was on Jacksonville, they'd never be a
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playoff team. He doesn't have the talent to overcome. But
in San Francisco with Kyle on that roster, you don't
have to overcome. Just parked the Mercedes and don't hit
a tree.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
So you were gassing up Josh Allen earlier.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Do you remember what he was like early in his
career without Stefan Diggs?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, six six, two fifty eight and jumping over linebackers.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
I do remember so body size and arm that that
that matters down in this discussion.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Tom Brady six to five, Peyton Manning six five.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Brady was a game manager for like six years, that's
what they called him.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
He wasn't because he was drafted in the sixth round.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You know, six five, two point fifty big band.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I mean, Josh Allen could do nothing early in his career.
He was spraying the ball all over the field. Still,
then he got Stefan Diggs, and then he made the
jump to light speed.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Now he's a star. Let's see what happened with Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
This year Stefan Diggs this year.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Oh, I don't I don't love Diggs. I'm just saying
the Brock pretty disrespect Colin. I mean, I don't know
what you want. Like, Kyler Murray's what like ten games
under five hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
He's a number one pick for a reason. Brock was
the last pick in the draft for a reason. Zach
Wilson was a number two pick for a reason. Well,
and he shouldn't have been.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
Yeah, nobody knows how to draft quarterbacks in this league.
Kyler Murray is a number one picking.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
So you think Kyler Murray would work with Shanahan and
the nine?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yes, he'd be a better player. They'd been a super
half a Super Bowl right now?
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Wow, you love Kyler Murray. You guys are voice since
you hung out at that an amazing vie.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, we are friends.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
I don't think the play action works with Kyler Murray.
Just tuck and run. I can make a play happen. Anyway,
Let's go on to another quarterback you love. Baker Mayfield
bounce around the league guy after leaving the Browns following
the twenty one season, but he's finally landed on his
feet in Tampa.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Baker signed a.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Three year extension with the Bucks and said it feels
pretty good to finally have a home. I'll tell you what,
You're having a lot more fun when you're not getting
shipped off the different places like a.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Piece berry bunch. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But I got embraced at Tampa.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
It made a world at difference then I've always played
all enjoy it. I mean, it is a game.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yes it is my job, but I love him so much,
so Whanna.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I've always wore my emotions on my sleeves and so
let people embrace that, and that's fine.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
I'm so excited for having.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
More years to come in Tampa, for people to.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Just get to know me a little bit better, truly
realize that that's not just a show on the field.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That's who I am.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
It comes down to the football aspect, and I love it.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I do anything for our team and our locker room
guys know that.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, It's where I've often defended being a professional athlete.
Can you imagine if I was traded tomorrow to a
network I didn't want to go to the Well, they
make a lot of money. A lot of people make money.
They're called lawyers and doctors. Doesn't mean you want to
your family shipped across the country. Baker Mayfield's always been
a franchise quarterback. It was a reach at number one,
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but he's always had the talent. I've said that from
very well. He is a franchise quarterback. He is absolutely
one of the twenty best quarterback. I've said this for
three years, even when I was banging on him. He's
one of the twenty best quarterbacks on the planet. I
don't doubt that at all. I had no problem with
Tampa Bay giving him a three year deal. I don't
think he's one of the top twelve quarterbacks. I think
there's limitations with him, a lot of it due to
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lack of size and athleticism. But he can play. There's
no doubt he's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Interesting, so you know you said the Brock perty he
was with Kyle Shanahan and that's a big part of
the system. In Shanahan's awesome last year, Baker has the
greatest season of his career by a mile. Okay, with
Dave Canallis the OC, Dave Canalis is very sean.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Baker bounces back.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I think, like Shane Steichen leaving the Eagles, it will
have an impact. I think Canallis is, my guys love Canalis,
My guys love Shane Steikin and Jalen Hurts has not
been the same quarterback and Nick Siriani has not been
the same coach since the now Colts head coach left.
It should be noted justin Herbert's rookie year he had
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Shane Stikeen as an offensive coordinator reset records, So I
do think offensive coordinators leaving has It may not have
an impact for Brady or a Manning in their prime,
but it does have an impact. Listen, c J. Stroud
did very very well. It helped that he had a
smart head coach and a very sharp OC.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
So you say Baker as a franchise quarterback, but if
you look at his history from twenty eighteen, this season
just could have been an outlier. Colin, maybe he's not
that good and he just had one good season with
Mike Evans and Godwin and Canal.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
At better conference. He won a playoff game in the AFC.
He won a playoff game in a tough division, and
he throws a good ball.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Oh that game over Pittsburgh after.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean it's I don't think it's
Roethlisberger was just named. Sean McVay. I've said this about
Sam Darnold. Shanahan liked him and Kevin O'Connell liked him.
Sean mcvay's like, give me Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I'll take him to who has a better year, Baker Mayfield?
Or I don't know, Bryce Young, who has Dave Canalis.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Now Baker Mayfield? Because I still don't like the offensive
personnel in Caroline. I think Tampas got.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Players I'll take. I'll take the other side of that one.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
The final story is, oh yeah, rookies are set to
report to Bear's training camp today.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
How about that, But neither of.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Their first round pick Kate Picks Caleb Williams or Roe
Madoonze I've been signed. Additionally, there was some confusion as
to who is handling Caleb's contract, with Caleb saying it's
his lawyers, and the Bears are saying they're dealing with
Caleb directly because Caleb doesn't have an NFLPA certified agent.
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Seems kind of messy, Colin. As of yesterday, there were
only five first round picks unsigned. Two of them belonged
to the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Something nothing.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I you know, when Lamar Jackson used his mom, I
didn't love it.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
It was a disaster for a well over a year.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a reason in every
industry there's a top one percent. Us are highly productive,
capable people. I would generally go hire a good agent.
You have to give up a couple percentage points. You
don't give up ten percent. I don't even think you
give up five. You'll probably give up two two and
a half percent. But if you can have I mean,
it's it's I've had twelve contract negotiations in my career.
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I've never done it on my own. It doesn't make
any sense. Just go hires that. Sometimes people tend to
think like somebody's a doctor or anything. So well, I
went to I went to a medical school, and I
was an a student. I'm a good doctor. I can
design houses and I'm an expert on financial literacy. No,
you're a doctor, that's a skill. A good golfer or
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a good baseball pitcher aren't necessarily great athletes. They're good
golfers and baseball pitchers. So I think there are people
that are really good at the agent business.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Well, we're men, We're stupid. We think we can do everything.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Well, I don't think it's stupid. I think it. I
don't think it's dumb. I think sometimes there is this.
You know, when you ever see what somebody for sale
by owner, don't don't. I've never looked at a house
unless I don't want to deal with some goofy owner
who's got a heightened sense of what his house is worth.
(31:53):
I don't even I would not even call on a
for sale by owner. I want to deal with my
real third deals with your realtor.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
Yeah, less less action for me. That being said, hard
knocks cameras showing up pretty soon. I don't think you
want your star quarterback this dragging out and being a
keyword distraction. Talk to Eric Vanjini all the guys here
a Fox who played in the league. You don't want
distractions in the preseason, especially when you have a number
one pick quarterback. I'm bullish on the Bears, but I
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don't want to see this dragging into August Collin.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
No, Kayleab Williams is not signed.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I think it's fair. I think it's fair. Just wrap
it up, let's go. You make your money as a
quarterback in your second, third, and fourth contract. Anyway, you
don't make it even if you're a number one pick.
If you're good. Mahomes made all his money in his
second and third quarter of deals. That's where the money's at.
It's never your first even in any company. I've worked
at my second third contract. If I have a third,
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it's always better than my first, regardless of how much
leverage I had coming into a company.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
Yeah, I just you know it's I'm rooting for Kallab Williams.
I like it so much. But it seems to always
be something already with this guy.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
His fingernails, his dad wants a slice of the ownership
to you, like, there's there's just a lot of noise.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
There's a little noise there.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Okay, I'm hoping that there.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
It's not an issue for the Bears because I will
be betting on them frequently this season.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
I think there's some major value opportunities to the Bear.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
What's the opener against Tennessee? What's the line on that?
I think I'm gonna guess to and a half? Oh God, no,
I think it's gonna be like four and a half
Bears minus four and a half.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Really, I don't know, Man, Tennessee. Will Levis has some receivers,
and he's got the big arm. Your guy goes.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
He's got a new offensive coach.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
No offensive coach, a lot of new I don't I
think the Titans are kind of a black box.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Well, I don't know what to expect.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
We'll see Jamack with the news.
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be watching tonight. The So this story was reported at
the end of the NFL season that Bill Belichick was
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in line for the Philadelphia Eagles and Nick Sirianni's job,
but Jeffrey Lurie, the owner, despite the fact the Eagles
crashed hard at the end of the season, decided to
stick with his young coach. So a story came out
this morning that the Nick Siriani dismissed those rumors. He
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is thirty four and seventeen year two on the job.
He got him too a Super Bowl. But we often
talk about coaches on the hot seat, and Mike McCarthy
of the Cowboys is viewed as a coach on the
hot seat. I think equally as hot is Nick Sirianni.
Number one is Philadelphia has fired really good coaches. Doug
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Peterson won a Super Bowl, Andy Reid got to I
believe five NFC championships, and Chip Kelly had.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
A winning record. They ran them all out of town. Secondly,
Siriannie without Shane Steikin, who's now the Colts coach, has
not been very good until Shane Steikin took over play
calling duties. The Eagles were a bit of a mess
offensively with Jalen Hurts, and this is what would really
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trouble me when he left Shane Steiken did. They were
fine early in the season as Nick was using a
lot of Shane Steikin's momentum, but the longer Shane Steiken
was in the rear view mirror, the worse it got.
That's a problem. You know. It's like if, and I've
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said this before in college football, if you have a
great coach, Chip Kelly at Oregon and then a coach
takes over for him, He's gonna have some momentum for
the first year, year and a half, two years, judge him.
By year three, it's now his program and his players.
I grew up Jim Lambright, Don James, we saw it
like Larry Kocher took over for I think like Butch
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Davis and Miami. Butch built that puppy up players everywhere.
By about year three or four, it's not the same program.
And so Siriani use some of the Shane Stiken momentum.
The further stiking was away from the job in Indy,
the uglier it got. And the third thing is and
fans always pushed back on this stuff because most guys
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listening to the show, we'll never get an amazing job.
You may get a solid job or a good job.
You're not gonna get like corner office seven figure jobs.
Most guys aren't and so they don't understand that when
you get one of these class jobs, these five star jobs,
like NFL head coach, there's a way to act if
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you get the corner office. He can't go out drinking
and boozing and be on the internet. There's a stigma
with it. Sometimes sometimes Nick Sirianni comes off as cringy
and juvenile, yelling at fans in the stands. He comes
off as really young, really juvenile. This is the NFL.
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Your job is to put a wet blanket on heat,
is to cool things off, even coaches that we don't
perceive as great, like Jason garrett I, Aoways thought was
very good in Dallas, which has always got something broiling
under the surface. With Jerry Jones did a good job
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of kind of being a wet blanket a cooler on
those sort of stories. And he may not have been
as great a coach as you want him to be,
but there is value Zach Taylor. I think in Cincinnati
that ownership situation has always been a bit wonky. He's
good at diffusing stuff. McVeigh. The really good coaches in
this league know what not to say and what not
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to do, right, Like, that's that's the real it, that
that's a real thing when you get the corner office job,
not stepping on it, Diffusing stuff, not lighting stuff up.
I said this about Baker Mayfield, Dude, go to the
podium and just be, just be Dak Prescott, go be
Jalen Hurts at the podium, or Tom Brady in this
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prime Defuse Eli Manning, Diffuse the story, don't light, don't
add flame to the story. So I think Mike McCarthy
is viewed as the ultimate hot seat coach. I think
Nick Sirianni's got a hot seat. I also think Washington
is significantly better this year. The schedule for the Eagles
is tougher, the NFC is overall better this year, so
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keep your eye on that. I also have Nick Right's
coming up next Hour, Final Hour Adam Wainwright great last
time he was on the show. I'm gonna save my
Caitlin Clark story. I was gonna do it this hour.
I'm gonna save it for next hour. But it is
driving the WNBA is driving me crazy on this constant discussion.
(39:20):
Here's the headline today. It drives me crazy. Why Caitlin
Clark's brutal WUNBA turnovers might be good for It's not brutal.
She's a playmaking guard. Do you know Lebron James rookie
year in the NBA, he was third and turnovers. It
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worked out pretty well. You know it was third and
turnovers last year in the NBA Wemby. I think he's
gonna have a good career. You know who had a
lot of turnovers early on, Andrew Luck, You won eleven games.
Stop worrying from quarterbacks and point guards. Stop worrying about mistakes.
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If you play fast and if you're productive. You know
who has a lot of turnovers NBA history, Lebron leads,
John Stockton's I think second, third or fourth, and Steph Curry.
You know who doesn't. Guys who don't make stuff happen
se Caitlin Clark is wildly productive. I don't think her
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team quite plays up to her speed. A lot like interceptions,
A lot of interceptions are not the quarterback's fault. It's
a bad route. A lot of her turnovers aren't her fault.
She is crazy fast. In fact, I would argue she's
almost unselfish when I watch her play. I think she
should shoot more. And she's a seventeen to eight player,
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she should be a twenty six place. She should have
fewer rebounds and assists, get out of there, score more.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
But as a rookie, you know she's got to defer
to the veterans an easier way in so I didn't
even tell you this, but yesterday after your Caitlin Clark
rant on the show, I got a text from someone
I haven't talked to in many years who's connected to
the league. They theorize that the reason Clark's not on
the Olympic team is the Caitlyn Clark's circus.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
How there's like this.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Just swarm and interest in all this, and they don't
need that around the Olympic team because you know, Clark
may not play a lot. And then it's we whise
and Caitlyn Clark playing a lot, and that's one of
the reasons that she's not on the I don't know
that I buy it when it was a decent theory.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
If they weren't overwhelming favorites to win the gold and
that distraction could create a loss, I'd buy that they're
gonna un eighteen points a game on the w NBA
needs juice, so do the Olympics. Yeah, how are two next?
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Ah, here we go. It is a Tuesday, and we
are live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for
Megan Hou's part of your day. We have so many
things to talk about today, All Star Game tonight and
Fox Nick Wright stopping by. There are so many good
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topics today. Here we are in July, middle of July,
and this is usually the slowest sports week of the year,
and we got a ton to talk about today.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Jamac it should be a very spirited showers and I
want to start about something just because you have power
in life, be.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Very, very very careful about always using it because people
keep track. We'll start the show talking about the misuse
of power, not the abuse of power. I don't think
it rises to abuse, but it's arguably misuse. So Jalen
Brown doubled down on his Nike theory, which is the
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reason he is not on the Olympic basketball team is
because of Nike. I think he's right. It should be
noted he's the best player in the league, not on
the team. He's not a Nike guy. Kyrie Irving's the
second best player in the league, not on the team.
He got dropped by Nike in twenty twenty two. I
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don't think it's a coincidence. Nike right now has a
leadership issue. And I was in Bver in Oregon this
weekend going to the Zoo, not Nike. In Portland, they
butchered the Major League baseball jerseys. It's as bad a
gaff as I've ever seen in my life on jerseys
by a sports apparel company, and Nike usually gets it right.
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Their stock is down thirty three percent in six months.
Phil Knight is now eighty six. He's a visionary and
a brilliant man, but he acknowledges he is all in
on Oregon football, winning them a Natty in the nil
and now they have the Olympic mess. It feels like
there's a leadership issue. As Phil Knight ages this happens
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all the time in corporate America. There has always been
this very tricky dance by Nike and sports apparel companies.
You want to use the velvet hammer, not the sledge hammer.
You have massive power in college and professional sports. You
don't want to abuse it. And I don't think this
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rises to a abuse of power. It's the Olympics. It
gets political. It was political MJ and Isaiah Thomas, but
it does feel like an overstep, an overreach by Nike.
Jalen brown not being on the team is ridiculous. It's
absolutely ridiculous. The finals of the MVP, MVP of the
Finals and the Eastern Conference finals. He's a tremendous basketball player.
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Nike a misuse of power. The second misuse of power
we have seen this week lebron jameson Clutch Sports. They
engineered Bronny getting drafted with a number fifty five pick. Now,
it was a terrible draft, and anybody drafted there was
gonna be a G leaguer at best. But Brownie offensively
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doesn't even look like a g leaguer. It's been embarrassing.
He's over fourteen on threes. He was bad again last night.
Now I do think athletically he can be a defender
in this league. Maybe, but he would not have been
drafted if not for Lebron James and clutch sport in
a good draft, can't draft it. This team, the Lakers
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can't really waste draft picks, but they do need on
ball defenders. They're old in spots, expensive in others. He's
cheap and can defend that. I don't deny. But in
both the case of Nike and the case of Lebron James,
they had power. Power can corrupt. Men tend to flex.
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Anytime they have power, they use it, misuse it, or
abuse it. This classifies as misusing it. And this is
the classic dad, the classic parent trying to muscle his
kid to get a job that he didn't really earn
and kind of getting in the way the natural flow
of life, usurping somebody getting power, jamming a kid in
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you how many times I've been asked, hey, can you
get my son my daughter a job at blankety blank blank?
And my answer as always, I can get him an internship.
Maybe I can't get him a job. They're not qualified.
It hurts, it's painful, it's the truth. So both Nike,
Clutch Sports and lebron had leverage, and in my opinion,
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this is the downside to it. Brownie's been sort of
embarrassing so far. Now the Lakers are in a position
where the new coach JJ Reddick now has to go
to the microphone and tap dance to make sure he
says all the right things about Brownie.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
He's a development player. That's how we're looking at Bronnie.
He's certainly going to spend time with the Lakers. He
will spend time as well in.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
The G League.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
We're going to develop his shot, will develop his ball skills.
He's already got a great feel. He has a really
good instinctive nature on the defensive end.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, that's a good way of saying he can't be
careful when you accumulate power, how you use it, just
because you have it. Sometimes it's best to let the
natural flow of business work, just let things play out
as they would without your power. So I have joked
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kind of sort of not really that I do think
if I didn't do this for the living, the broadcasting thing,
and I would have spent the last thirty years trying
to be an NFL executive, not broadcasting. I just started
going toward the NFL, I think I'd be a pretty
good executive. I know I would not have drafted JaMarcus Russell,
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Johnny Manzel, Daniel Jones, Zach Wilson, Tim Tebow in the
first round. I would have drafted Zam Darnold though, and
he may still have something. But one of the reasons
I think this is I hear things all the time
around the NFL, and it sound like they're coming from
unserious people. Here's the latest. An NFL executive rips Josh Allen,
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one of the more overrated players, makes a lot of mistakes.
Oh good god, somebody seriously said that. So I have
a theory on life. Would you ever tell your kids
in life? Hey, Johnny, Hey, Susie, play it safe, don't
make mistakes, don't take any big swings, and if you
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do make a mistake, punish yourself. Life's about being perfect. No,
it's not. Life's about being a playmaker and taking swings.
And it's okay whether you're an artist or a quarterback
or a point guard to have turnovers. Josh Allen is transformative.
He's won his division four straight years, and in those
four years he has the most touchdowns ever by any
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player in the history of the sport, even more than
Patrick Mahomes. Until last season, he had no run game,
no consistent run game outside of left tackle. The offensive
line's been a revolving door of players, and for the record,
he's on his third offensive coordinator in seven years. But
Josh Allen doesn't play it safe. Patrick Mahomes sometimes throws
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it left handed or sidearm. You want to know who
also had a lot of interceptions. Peyton Manning and Brett
Favre and John Elway and Dan Marino and Joe Namath
and Josh Allen. Point guards, business people, politicians. Quarterbacks don't
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play it safe. You're not just distributors of messages. You're playmakers.
The greatest quarterbacks many of them Brady's an exception, Mahomes
a little bit too, have thrown lots of picks. I
think the issue with Josh Allen is there are two
defensive coaches in this sport that are very good, Mike
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Tomlin and Sean McDermott. The latter is Josh's coach, and
both those coaches have struggled developing consistent run games, hiring
the right offensive coordinator, and getting the old lines right.
Both of them offensive coaches speak a different language. That's
why it's such an advantage for Mahomes or Joe Burrow
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or initially Kyler Murray or Tua. That went from Brian
Flores to Mike McDaniel the defensive coach, bench Tua the
offensive coach, made him a pro bowler. Dak O line,
run game, Jason Garrett, it's such an advantage to have.
It's a different language an offensive coach. When especially you're
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a young quarterback, you're making mistakes. You need to be refined.
Josh Allen needed Brian Dable. You think Daniel Jones makes
the playoffs without Brian, then Dable. So this is not
about mistakes. This is a quarterback that's overcome no run game,
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revolving door, offensive line, third different coordinator, and a defensive
coach who is not a bad coach, but like Mike Tomlin,
doesn't have a great feel for offensive elements of the game.
Sean McVeigh and Andy Reid have rebuilt offensive lines in
one off season. The Steelers are still trying to get
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theirs right over the last six years. But this goes
back to a fundamental belief. What an awful thing where
you could tell your kids in life is to play
it safe, don't elevate others, don't take big swings, be
paralyzed by any mistake. The great point guards, the great quarterbacks,
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the great politicians, the great business people, Steve Jobs, Jeff
Bezos often talk about the value of going for it,
the process of learning from mistakes. Yes, Josh Allen throws
some ugly picks, but over the four years that he's
won the division, he's the most productive player in the
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history of the sport. And some knucklehead is saying, you know,
it got guys overrated. I'd argue he's underrated. He just
doesn't quite have all the elements offensively that you need
to beat. Maybe the greatest quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, and the
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greatest coach, arguably Andy Reid of all time. It's Phil
Mickelson playing in Tiger's prime. It's Takeima lajah On playing
in Jordan's prime. He won when Michael left. Part of
Josh Allen's issue. Andy Reid and Mahomes may go down
as the greatest quarterback coach combo in league history. Brady
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Belichick were and it kept Peyton Manning out of a
lot of super Bowls. That was not a knock on
Peyton Manning. It was a reality on Brady and Belichick.
All fight. I'll die on this hill Josh Allen. To
this point, the criticism is silly. He's underrated. If you
redrafted everybody in this league, Mahomes won Josh Allen two,
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those would be the first two pick. There'll be no
defensive players, no special deams players, no wide receivers. You
could draft today. Burrow wouldn't get picked. Injuries, Lamar wouldn't
get picked. Playoffs, success lack of it. If you redrafted
every guy in this league today, it would be number
one Mahomes and number two Allen. And the only reason
Mahomes would be drafted over Allen if you redrafted there'd
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be pressure to take him because he's got all the
trophies and Alan doesn't. All right, just to start today,
I haven't even fired on all cylinders yet. Got me
all worked up on that. Okay, So we've said this
for years and years. If you look at bad sports
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teams baseball, basketball, football, hockey, and they're bad for thirty years,
it's not the coach, it's not the general manager, it's
not the scouts. It's the ownership and the New York
Knicks for the last couple of years have been very
well run. Coming up next oh potential problems.
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Speaker 1 (14:23):
So you know, for years and years the Knicks ran
through players and coaches and executives. But the real issue
with James Dolan, he was a meddler and we've seen
this with the Dallas Cowboys, the vanity of Jerry Jones.
When Jerry didn't have a great say with Jimmy Johnson.
They were winning super Bowls when Jimmy got pushed back
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from Bill Parcells. They rebuilt this puppy. But then Jerry
hires coaches that need him, that wouldn't get head coaching
opportunities elsewhere. Mike McCarthy was on the beach, you know,
Chan Gaily, solid coaches. Probably they feel like they owe Jerry.
And then Jerry can again use the hammer and his
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power and be the de facto general manager. And that's
not what he should be or he's capable of being.
He's not that guy. And it's why I think they
tend to overpay the wrong players, overpay early, and miss
on some draft picks. I think the Cowboys can win
games in a wonky division and a weaker NFC. I
don't believe they'd be a consistent playoff team in the AFC, right,
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That's that's my take is that it helps that they're
in a division with poorly run Washington and New York
and a little up and down Philadelphia. That helps put
him in a division you know, over there with the
you know, the Bengals and the and maybe the Ravens
and the Steelers and now Cleveland's loaded. I don't think
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they'd be a playoff team. But this story is worrisome
because the last two years James Dolan has been very busy.
He's a music guy. The band loves music. Building the sphere,
it's been about a five year project, but the last
two or three until it was finalized, James Dolan was
sidetracked and the Knicks front office was excellent, excellent drafting, acquisition,
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player development with Tibbs and the guys in the front office.
This story is very concerning. The sphere is finished and
now James Dolan now he's back to the Knicks. According
to the athletics Fred Katz on The Knicks Film School podcast,
Dolan loves the Knicks Julius Randall. He's a huge, quote
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huge Julius Randall fan. He loves Randall. He loves that
Randall chose Dolan and New York. He loves his game.
Oh boy, the Knicks had success this year after Randall
got hurt. He doesn't space the floor because he can't shoot.
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He's an so so defender and he stops the ball offensively.
He just doesn't share very well on a very unselfish team.
Isaiah Hartenstein, actually, a true center who can defend other centers,
was a much better fit. Randall can't. He's a tiny five.
He has value, he can score, He's productive, but he
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doesn't work for this team, which often starts four guards.
They need a true center. That was Hartenstein and why
I said after the Paul George move, the other move
in free agency that really caught my eye was the
center the big going to Oklahoma City. I'm not sure
it's gonna help Okay see as much as it potentially
(17:51):
hurts the Knicks. When Randall left the team, ball movement
was better, spacing was better, offensive bounding was better. The
ball didn't stop. They were better and tougher defensively. I'm
not anti Julius Randall. I defended him for years. There's
there's room for Julius Randall in this league, but as
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a max guy on this team would be an organizational
clogging decision. He fit somewhere, it's not New York. So
I'm just saying sometimes Jimmy Johnson told me years ago
that the reason Jerry Jones didn't interfere the first couple
(18:35):
of years in Dallas because Jerry wedged himself and as
an owner, he had to make the money back. He
didn't have a lot of extra money. Jerry was hustling
for two to three years on the operational side on
the other side of the building. So Jerry Jones was
too distracted and creating and driving the cowboy business on
(18:59):
the other side of the building. Once he got that humming,
he then wanted to go over to the other side
of the building where Jimmy Johnson had built a dynasty,
and there the problems ensued. So sometimes having an owner
who's potentially disruptive, distracted, he's got another project, he's got
(19:20):
a you know, a new girlfriend, he's got a new yacht,
he's got a new business. James Dolan, I got no
problem with him owning the team. The sphere caught his attention.
He didn't distract, it didn't meddle, and the next the
last two years have been grown up run by like
grown ups. I made really good decisions. This one would
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worry me. Quote James Dolan loves Julius Randall loves that
he chose New York. Oh boy. J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
News, No t is the herd Line.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Newsnight Listen just for the rerecord.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
Julius Randall, all NBA player twice can get you twenty
twenty five a night.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So con Zach Levine and the Bulls can't give him
a way.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
True, but listen, Jalen bruns It.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
You can't play him thirty seven minutes a night and
expect a postseason run.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Randall's gonna be pivotal for them. They need him, They're.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Able, They can move him and get a better fit.
Hartenstein was a better fit.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Hartenstein will be missed, and he.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Averaged by the way. I can't believe you would say
that I could have hired far more people in your chair.
You didn't have the most experience. It's a good fit.
Hartenstein averages eight a game. He was a perfect fit.
Relentless offensive rebounder, never clog it up, could defend a five,
didn't get away the offense. Julius is a bad defender.
(20:50):
If he he clogs the offense, he doesn't help with space,
and he can't shoot. If he was four inches tallerant
could be a true five and defend centers. It would
be fine. But they're gonna have to go small ball.
And you think the Warriors were small. If Julius Randalls
your five, you are tiny.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
They still have Robinson, the big guy, but like he's
always Julius Randall.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
We're talking about a good, good player. He's a top
thirty player in the list. Is ali Let's not right.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's a fit story.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I get that.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
But with Bridges and the four Villanova guys, you know
they have a fit.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Randall will have to fill the getting bigger. Poor zingis
Yannis Jokich Wemby and Julius Randall's your center.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
You can play a stretch four. He's not a great shooter,
he's a good shoot.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
No, I'm talking defensively. You'll be the smallest team in
the league. I mean, this league's getting bigger. The small
ball nonsense is over. The league's getting bigger.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
So we established Brunson's one.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Right absolutely, and.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
The two on them is gonna get Hill. Bridges as
perfect as a three.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
He's perfect. I don't think this is a championship team.
They're a very good team.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
I think the fourth best odds in the league to
win the title.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, I think that's overstated. I think there's teams in
the West.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Wait, the Sixers better than the next right now.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Paul George is a complete difference.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I forgot we haven't tol.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Embiid Embiid backing in on Julius Randall because Mitchell Robinson
will be hurt. Really you think you think that's a
And by the way, I've got Paul George is better
than Michale Bridges. I'll get the runasons better than MAXI.
But the point being is the league's getting giant. You
can't go small ball again.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
I'm fine giving Embiid forty forty five a night against
the Knicks, and the Knicks will win the game because
then beads a ballhog and.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Everybody in New York knows I'm right on this.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
No, listen, I'm not saying keep Randall. I'm just saying
right now, the way they're structured, they're not bad. I
don't think you can go get a big stud for
Julius Randall.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You don't need a big stud. What you need is
a center, a legitimate run the floor, relentless offensive rebounding fours.
I'm telling you that Hartenstein departure, it's a It's an
absolute loss for the Knicks.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
They got what second round deep with Julius Randall not playing.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
I think they were in good shape.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
All right, let's go to the NFL Colin yesterday we
discussed the top ten quarterbacks ranked by NFL executive, coaches
and scouts, and one name that didn't come up, brock Purty.
We touched on it briefly, but we didn't mention that
in the article. They call brock Purty a system quarterback
and game manager. Being sure sounds like what Tom Brady
was called early in his career. An anonymous exec added,
(23:26):
you're not gonna win because of him in most cases
the truck except you know, he has more fourth quarter
comeback victories in the playoffs and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
But yes, you're not gonna win because of him.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Context go go for it, just like Julius Randall. It's
a bad fit. He's not a bad player. Don't conflate
the two. It's like people today on the internet are
conflating inefficiency by the Secret Service as a conspiracy theory.
Those are two different things. Inefficiency average employees probably shouldn't
(23:58):
have been on that assignment, is not a conspiracy. A
very solid distribution quarterback on a well coached, loaded team
does not make a great quarterback. A lot of guys
that played with Lebron Matthew Della Vdova for an hour
was a player. A lot of guys that played with
Lebron looked really good. And then Lebron leaves. In j R.
(24:20):
Smith's career, he golfs a lot now like that, you
have to put things in context. Julius Randall good player,
not a great fit going forward. Brock Purty solid, good player,
not a great player. Put him on. Put him on.
If if he was on Jacksonville, they'd never be a
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playoff team. He doesn't have the talent to overcome. But
in San Francisco with Kyle on that roster, you don't
have to overcome. Just parked the Mercedes and don't hit
a tree.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
So you were gassing up Josh Allen earlier.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Do you remember what he was like early in his
career without Stefan Diggs?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, six six, two fifty eight and jumping over linebackers.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
I do remember so body size and arm that that
that matters down in this discussion.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Tom Brady six to five, Peyton Manning six five.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Brady was a game manager for like six years, that's
what they called him.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
He wasn't because he was drafted in the sixth round.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You know, six five, two point fifty big band.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I mean, Josh Allen could do nothing early in his career.
He was spraying the ball all over the field. Still,
then he got Stefan Diggs, and then he made the
jump to light speed.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Now he's a star. Let's see what happened with Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
This year Stefan Diggs this year.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Oh, I don't I don't love Diggs. I'm just saying
the Brock pretty disrespect Colin. I mean, I don't know
what you want. Like, Kyler Murray's what like ten games
under five hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
He's a number one pick for a reason. Brock was
the last pick in the draft for a reason. Zach
Wilson was a number two pick for a reason. Well,
and he shouldn't have been.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
Yeah, nobody knows how to draft quarterbacks in this league.
Kyler Murray is a number one picking.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
So you think Kyler Murray would work with Shanahan and
the nine?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yes, he'd be a better player. They'd been a super
half a Super Bowl right now?
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Wow, you love Kyler Murray. You guys are voice since
you hung out at that an amazing vie.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, we are friends.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
I don't think the play action works with Kyler Murray.
Just tuck and run. I can make a play happen. Anyway,
Let's go on to another quarterback you love. Baker Mayfield
bounce around the league guy after leaving the Browns following
the twenty one season, but he's finally landed on his
feet in Tampa.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Baker signed a.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Three year extension with the Bucks and said it feels
pretty good to finally have a home. I'll tell you what,
You're having a lot more fun when you're not getting
shipped off the different places like a.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Piece berry bunch. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But I got embraced at Tampa.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
It made a world at difference then I've always played
all enjoy it. I mean, it is a game.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yes it is my job, but I love him so much,
so Whanna.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I've always wore my emotions on my sleeves and so
let people embrace that, and that's fine.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
I'm so excited for having.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
More years to come in Tampa, for people to.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Just get to know me a little bit better, truly
realize that that's not just a show on the field.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That's who I am.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
It comes down to the football aspect, and I love it.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I do anything for our team and our locker room
guys know that.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, It's where I've often defended being a professional athlete.
Can you imagine if I was traded tomorrow to a
network I didn't want to go to the Well, they
make a lot of money. A lot of people make money.
They're called lawyers and doctors. Doesn't mean you want to
your family shipped across the country. Baker Mayfield's always been
a franchise quarterback. It was a reach at number one,
(27:27):
but he's always had the talent. I've said that from
very well. He is a franchise quarterback. He is absolutely
one of the twenty best quarterback. I've said this for
three years, even when I was banging on him. He's
one of the twenty best quarterbacks on the planet. I
don't doubt that at all. I had no problem with
Tampa Bay giving him a three year deal. I don't
think he's one of the top twelve quarterbacks. I think
there's limitations with him, a lot of it due to
(27:50):
lack of size and athleticism. But he can play. There's
no doubt he's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Interesting, so you know you said the Brock perty he
was with Kyle Shanahan and that's a big part of
the system. In Shanahan's awesome last year, Baker has the
greatest season of his career by a mile. Okay, with
Dave Canallis the OC, Dave Canalis is very sean.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Baker bounces back.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I think, like Shane Steichen leaving the Eagles, it will
have an impact. I think Canallis is, my guys love Canalis,
My guys love Shane Steikin and Jalen Hurts has not
been the same quarterback and Nick Siriani has not been
the same coach since the now Colts head coach left.
It should be noted justin Herbert's rookie year he had
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Shane Stikeen as an offensive coordinator reset records, So I
do think offensive coordinators leaving has It may not have
an impact for Brady or a Manning in their prime,
but it does have an impact. Listen, c J. Stroud
did very very well. It helped that he had a
smart head coach and a very sharp OC.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
So you say Baker as a franchise quarterback, but if
you look at his history from twenty eighteen, this season
just could have been an outlier. Colin, maybe he's not
that good and he just had one good season with
Mike Evans and Godwin and Canal.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
At better conference. He won a playoff game in the AFC.
He won a playoff game in a tough division, and
he throws a good ball.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Oh that game over Pittsburgh after.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean it's I don't think it's
Roethlisberger was just named. Sean McVay. I've said this about
Sam Darnold. Shanahan liked him and Kevin O'Connell liked him.
Sean mcvay's like, give me Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I'll take him to who has a better year, Baker Mayfield?
Or I don't know, Bryce Young, who has Dave Canalis.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Now Baker Mayfield? Because I still don't like the offensive
personnel in Caroline. I think Tampas got.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Players I'll take. I'll take the other side of that one.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
The final story is, oh yeah, rookies are set to
report to Bear's training camp today.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
How about that, But neither of.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Their first round pick Kate Picks Caleb Williams or Roe
Madoonze I've been signed. Additionally, there was some confusion as
to who is handling Caleb's contract, with Caleb saying it's
his lawyers, and the Bears are saying they're dealing with
Caleb directly because Caleb doesn't have an NFLPA certified agent.
(30:16):
Seems kind of messy, Colin. As of yesterday, there were
only five first round picks unsigned. Two of them belonged
to the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Something nothing.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I you know, when Lamar Jackson used his mom, I
didn't love it.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
It was a disaster for a well over a year.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a reason in every
industry there's a top one percent. Us are highly productive,
capable people. I would generally go hire a good agent.
You have to give up a couple percentage points. You
don't give up ten percent. I don't even think you
give up five. You'll probably give up two two and
a half percent. But if you can have I mean,
it's it's I've had twelve contract negotiations in my career.
(30:57):
I've never done it on my own. It doesn't make
any sense. Just go hires that. Sometimes people tend to
think like somebody's a doctor or anything. So well, I
went to I went to a medical school, and I
was an a student. I'm a good doctor. I can
design houses and I'm an expert on financial literacy. No,
you're a doctor, that's a skill. A good golfer or
(31:19):
a good baseball pitcher aren't necessarily great athletes. They're good
golfers and baseball pitchers. So I think there are people
that are really good at the agent business.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Well, we're men, We're stupid. We think we can do everything.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Well, I don't think it's stupid. I think it. I
don't think it's dumb. I think sometimes there is this.
You know, when you ever see what somebody for sale
by owner, don't don't. I've never looked at a house
unless I don't want to deal with some goofy owner
who's got a heightened sense of what his house is worth.
(31:53):
I don't even I would not even call on a
for sale by owner. I want to deal with my
real third deals with your realtor.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
Yeah, less less action for me. That being said, hard
knocks cameras showing up pretty soon. I don't think you
want your star quarterback this dragging out and being a
keyword distraction. Talk to Eric Vanjini all the guys here
a Fox who played in the league. You don't want
distractions in the preseason, especially when you have a number
one pick quarterback. I'm bullish on the Bears, but I
(32:23):
don't want to see this dragging into August Collin.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
No, Kayleab Williams is not signed.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I think it's fair. I think it's fair. Just wrap
it up, let's go. You make your money as a
quarterback in your second, third, and fourth contract. Anyway, you
don't make it even if you're a number one pick.
If you're good. Mahomes made all his money in his
second and third quarter of deals. That's where the money's at.
It's never your first even in any company. I've worked
at my second third contract. If I have a third,
(32:47):
it's always better than my first, regardless of how much
leverage I had coming into a company.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
Yeah, I just you know it's I'm rooting for Kallab Williams.
I like it so much. But it seems to always
be something already with this guy.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
His fingernails, his dad wants a slice of the ownership
to you, like, there's there's just a lot of noise.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
There's a little noise there.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Okay, I'm hoping that there.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
It's not an issue for the Bears because I will
be betting on them frequently this season.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
I think there's some major value opportunities to the Bear.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
What's the opener against Tennessee? What's the line on that?
I think I'm gonna guess to and a half? Oh God, no,
I think it's gonna be like four and a half
Bears minus four and a half.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Really, I don't know, Man, Tennessee. Will Levis has some receivers,
and he's got the big arm. Your guy goes.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
He's got a new offensive coach.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
No offensive coach, a lot of new I don't I
think the Titans are kind of a black box.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Well, I don't know what to expect.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
We'll see Jamack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
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be watching tonight. The So this story was reported at
the end of the NFL season that Bill Belichick was
(34:32):
in line for the Philadelphia Eagles and Nick Sirianni's job,
but Jeffrey Lurie, the owner, despite the fact the Eagles
crashed hard at the end of the season, decided to
stick with his young coach. So a story came out
this morning that the Nick Siriani dismissed those rumors. He
(34:53):
is thirty four and seventeen year two on the job.
He got him too a Super Bowl. But we often
talk about coaches on the hot seat, and Mike McCarthy
of the Cowboys is viewed as a coach on the
hot seat. I think equally as hot is Nick Sirianni.
Number one is Philadelphia has fired really good coaches. Doug
(35:15):
Peterson won a Super Bowl, Andy Reid got to I
believe five NFC championships, and Chip Kelly had.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
A winning record. They ran them all out of town. Secondly,
Siriannie without Shane Steikin, who's now the Colts coach, has
not been very good until Shane Steikin took over play
calling duties. The Eagles were a bit of a mess
offensively with Jalen Hurts, and this is what would really
(35:44):
trouble me when he left Shane Steiken did. They were
fine early in the season as Nick was using a
lot of Shane Steikin's momentum, but the longer Shane Steiken
was in the rear view mirror, the worse it got.
That's a problem. You know. It's like if, and I've
(36:05):
said this before in college football, if you have a
great coach, Chip Kelly at Oregon and then a coach
takes over for him, He's gonna have some momentum for
the first year, year and a half, two years, judge him.
By year three, it's now his program and his players.
I grew up Jim Lambright, Don James, we saw it
like Larry Kocher took over for I think like Butch
(36:25):
Davis and Miami. Butch built that puppy up players everywhere.
By about year three or four, it's not the same program.
And so Siriani use some of the Shane Stiken momentum.
The further stiking was away from the job in Indy,
the uglier it got. And the third thing is and
fans always pushed back on this stuff because most guys
(36:46):
listening to the show, we'll never get an amazing job.
You may get a solid job or a good job.
You're not gonna get like corner office seven figure jobs.
Most guys aren't and so they don't understand that when
you get one of these class jobs, these five star jobs,
like NFL head coach, there's a way to act if
(37:07):
you get the corner office. He can't go out drinking
and boozing and be on the internet. There's a stigma
with it. Sometimes sometimes Nick Sirianni comes off as cringy
and juvenile, yelling at fans in the stands. He comes
off as really young, really juvenile. This is the NFL.
(37:28):
Your job is to put a wet blanket on heat,
is to cool things off, even coaches that we don't
perceive as great, like Jason garrett I, Aoways thought was
very good in Dallas, which has always got something broiling
under the surface. With Jerry Jones did a good job
(37:49):
of kind of being a wet blanket a cooler on
those sort of stories. And he may not have been
as great a coach as you want him to be,
but there is value Zach Taylor. I think in Cincinnati
that ownership situation has always been a bit wonky. He's
good at diffusing stuff. McVeigh. The really good coaches in
this league know what not to say and what not
(38:11):
to do, right, Like, that's that's the real it, that
that's a real thing when you get the corner office job,
not stepping on it, Diffusing stuff, not lighting stuff up.
I said this about Baker Mayfield, Dude, go to the
podium and just be, just be Dak Prescott, go be
Jalen Hurts at the podium, or Tom Brady in this
(38:33):
prime Defuse Eli Manning, Diffuse the story, don't light, don't
add flame to the story. So I think Mike McCarthy
is viewed as the ultimate hot seat coach. I think
Nick Sirianni's got a hot seat. I also think Washington
is significantly better this year. The schedule for the Eagles
is tougher, the NFC is overall better this year, so
(38:56):
keep your eye on that. I also have Nick Right's
coming up next Hour, Final Hour Adam Wainwright great last
time he was on the show. I'm gonna save my
Caitlin Clark story. I was gonna do it this hour.
I'm gonna save it for next hour. But it is
driving the WNBA is driving me crazy on this constant discussion.
(39:20):
Here's the headline today. It drives me crazy. Why Caitlin
Clark's brutal WUNBA turnovers might be good for It's not brutal.
She's a playmaking guard. Do you know Lebron James rookie
year in the NBA, he was third and turnovers. It
(39:42):
worked out pretty well. You know it was third and
turnovers last year in the NBA Wemby. I think he's
gonna have a good career. You know who had a
lot of turnovers early on, Andrew Luck, You won eleven games.
Stop worrying from quarterbacks and point guards. Stop worrying about mistakes.
(40:03):
If you play fast and if you're productive. You know
who has a lot of turnovers NBA history, Lebron leads,
John Stockton's I think second, third or fourth, and Steph Curry.
You know who doesn't. Guys who don't make stuff happen
se Caitlin Clark is wildly productive. I don't think her
(40:23):
team quite plays up to her speed. A lot like interceptions,
A lot of interceptions are not the quarterback's fault. It's
a bad route. A lot of her turnovers aren't her fault.
She is crazy fast. In fact, I would argue she's
almost unselfish when I watch her play. I think she
should shoot more. And she's a seventeen to eight player,
(40:45):
she should be a twenty six place. She should have
fewer rebounds and assists, get out of there, score more.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
But as a rookie, you know she's got to defer
to the veterans an easier way in so I didn't
even tell you this, but yesterday after your Caitlin Clark
rant on the show, I got a text from someone
I haven't talked to in many years who's connected to
the league. They theorize that the reason Clark's not on
the Olympic team is the Caitlyn Clark's circus.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
How there's like this.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Just swarm and interest in all this, and they don't
need that around the Olympic team because you know, Clark
may not play a lot. And then it's we whise
and Caitlyn Clark playing a lot, and that's one of
the reasons that she's not on the I don't know
that I buy it when it was a decent theory.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
If they weren't overwhelming favorites to win the gold and
that distraction could create a loss, I'd buy that they're
gonna un eighteen points a game on the w NBA
needs juice, so do the Olympics. Yeah, how are two next?
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Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.