December 23, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin reacts to the weekend of NFL action, starting with Sam Darnold's big performance to keep the Vikings in the win column, and Jayden Daniels with a big time touchdown to lift the Commanders over the Eagles. College football fans have issues with the playoffs but Colin defends it.
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
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all good.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Next week's neutral sites games are gonna be great. But
you know, years ago, as I told New York Zach
Wilson and Daniel Jones were not gonna work. Before that,
I told him Sam Darnold was gonna work. And sometimes
j Mackett takes a while to be right. So there's
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an old saying and it's one of my favorites. Outline
your life in pencil, not pen Things change, opportunities arise,
don't be rigid, keep your eyes open. And I know
Sam Darnold was supposed to be like a one year thing,
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but he is so good with Justin Jefferson, he is
so clutch in the fourth quarter. This is no longer
just a good story. This is an excellent team and
he is an excellent quarterback. This isn't the twenty seven Vikings.
Remember that pre Kirk Cousins case Keenum thirteen wins, Case
had twenty two touchdown Sam's got thirty two in counting,
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and he's eight and one in one score games. He
has just been so good. And quarterbacks are either trucks
where they're pulling the team or they're trailers where they're
being pulled. Sam's a truck. He's pulling this team. They
lost their excellent left tackle, one of the best in
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the game, maybe the best in the game. They lost him.
Sam's like we good eight to no without him. That
fourth quarter gamining drive encapsulates all of Sam Darnold, the
athletic ability, the toughness, making big throws in big moments.
There is no denying he is helping pull this team.
I'm not denying the receiving course good. Kevin O'Connell's an
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amazing They call him the Taal Sean McVay. But this
is not the case keenum team. This is not just
a guy that comes in and we all kind of
fall in love with the story. Vegas had these guys
at six wins. That's what Vegas had him at six wins.
This is not a great roster Detroit when healthy. Great roster, Philadelphia,
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great roster, Buffalo, really really good roster. Baltimore excellent roster.
This fusster's is pretty good. But Darnold's toughness, his coach ability,
his playmaking, that last drive man, that's something else. And
again lost their left tackle. Wasn't perfect. This team could
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still be the number one seed. Number one seed. And
I know you drafted JJ McCarthy, I get it, And
I know you brought in Daniel Jones. Understood, But to me,
you got a franchise tagament minimum.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
You can't let him go.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
What if he ends up somewhere along the way and
comes back to beat you, And maybe this is the
best Sam could ever be.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And I'm not going to deny that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Justin Jefferson, there's one in the league. And Kevin O'Connell
is an excellent young coach, and Minnesota's always been a
pretty well run franchise. I'm not denying that, But outline
your life in pencil. Plans, change opportunities, arise. Employees are
better than you think. And I'm not saying it's jess Sam.
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This offense got real players, but they lost their left tackle.
I've seen other quarterbacks rhymes with Brock Purty lose a
left tackle or a running back and shrieked, not slinging
Sammy Darnald.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Another win.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Still, a number one set is viable, and here's the
coach after.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
There wasn't really one guy. And I know I'm not
speaking for myself. I thought we were gonna go down
and we're gonna get a touchdown. And I think the
level of confidence that that group has in their quarterback
and the level of confidence the quarterback has in the
ten guys in the huddle is significant, and that's how
you're able to go do that in that moment on
the road at this place, you know you can't hear
yourself think it's pretty fantastic, you know, performance in that
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moment by you know, not just our quarterback, but all
eleven of those guys out there.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Slinging Sammy Darnald. It took a while, but he's special.
So I don't want to overreact. You know, mondays off
a crazy football weekend, it becomes overreaction Monday. I don't
want to overreact to the Eagles losing.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
To Washington.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay, Jalen Hurts very early, got a concussion. It's not
the same team. It's a great roster, but it is
a quarterback league, and I'm not going to overreact because
Jaden Daniels as a rookie through five touchdown passes. The
bigger story is why the NFL is king because you
get the right coach and the right rookie quarterback. You
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draft the right guy and you can go from an
NFL embarrassment for over a decade to the playoffs in
three months. And that's what you're seeing. Jaden Daniels does
not have a great roster. He's got one big time weapon.
But you can see some Lamar Jackson, you can see
the pois. You could see ten to fifteen years of playoffs.
I mean I grew up and they had a different name,
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but this was a great franchise. I've said before that
the Washington football franchise reminds me of the Golden State Warriors.
I grew up up in the seventies and Washington the
football team and Golden State the basketball team had legendary
players and you could argue they have the best fan bases.
But mismanagement or bad ownership and the Warriors just sort
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of regress into irrelevant even on the West Coast. And
then it all turns around with Steph Curry in Washington,
the George Allen Washington team nineteen seventy two Super Bowl,
this Joe Gibbs, I mean, this was for a long time.
This was tough and physical in the Hogs and then
Dan Snyder and as we always say on this show, ownership,
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bad teams all have one thing in common, and it's
not a bad coach and it's not a bad quarterback. Cincinnati,
I think has a good coach and a great quarterback.
It's usually upstairs, but all you need is the right
coach and the right quarterback. And finally they got a
bad owner out and a great owner in and you're
looking at playoffs. That final drive, what was great about that?
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Not just the three fourth quarter touchdown by Jaden Daniels.
He threw a pick on the previous drive, so what unfazed?
Cut it loose, didn't care very andrew luck, very short memory.
And this rookie quarterback class, by the way, we may
have five for five. I'll watch Panix this weekend. That
dude's good. So obviously the Jalen Hurts concussion can change
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the outcome. But here's what's amazing about this kid. And
I've said this before, the difference between the halves and
the have nots at quarterbacks. When are you good? Okay,
when are you good? Do you lose a left tackle?
Sam Darnold?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
You go eight?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
No, it can't just be when everything's great. When are
you good? This kid has a one to six passer
rating while trailing. That's like goat stuff. Okay, that's Mahomes.
Early Mahomes was better trailing. You could never tell if
Mahomes was leading or trailing. You could never tell a
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lot of quarterbacks in this league with protection they're leading.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
They all look great.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Thrown on second and two, Jayden Daniels has a good
old line.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's better.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
They got Cliff Kingsbury and the offensive staff have done
nice job. It's a better O line top seven or eight.
It's not Detroit, it's not Philly, it's probably not Atlanta,
but it's good. But he's got a great passer rating
trailing and one hundred and fifteen passer rating in the
fourth quarter. That is unheard of for a rookie that
those numbers. This is not September, We're not early October.
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We're now late December. Like that's who the kid is.
And this is probably the worst Rostery plays with, at
least while he's on his rookie contract. Right once they
pay him the big money, you got to make concessions.
But for the next two to three years he'd not
make any money. So this roster's only going to get better.
This kid is nails fourth quarter trailing And I know,
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I know Jalen Hurts was out, But if you're doing
things now in late December in Chile weather against the
number one defense in the league and driving down that
last drive was art, baby, that's what the great ones
look like. That is goat stuff. And we said we
bought with everybody on their show loved him. J Mack
loved him. I loved him coming out of college. But
he is better than I thought early and here he
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is after.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I always believe that it was going the game no
matter what, the game's never overtook, oklock you through. I
think you live for these type of moments. You know,
you got those guys that came in on the win
streak they were on, they were hot, and they're a
very good team, rightfully, so good offense, good defense, all around,
well prepared team. And you want to go out there
see where you match and you match up against those
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type of guys.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Gotta tell you sometimes I feel so lucky to do
this for a living. I'm watching all these young quarterbacks.
Panics looks poised, Jaden is money. Caleb hasn't thrown a
pick in forever since like Halloween, bo Nicks. I think
he and Sean Payton work. I don't know about JJ McCarthy,
but Drake May yesterday, I'm like, oh, oh, dude, can play.
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I mean, I think we did a five for five.
I mean Pennix even when Pennix was throwing the ball
away yesterday, he was good. But none of them have
been consistently as good trailing and in the fourth quarter
as Jaden Daniels. This is exciting time. I mean for
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a Washington franchise. I'm telling you it was the Warriors
for a long time. They were great in the seventies.
Talk about the eighties and all of a sudden you're like,
post Joe Gibbs, It's like, Yeah, what's going on here?
Fad ownership. I'd love to see Washington fifteen year run
with this kid. Can you imagine having Lamar Jackson in
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the Ravens and right around the corner having Jaden Daniels
basically kind of like the duplicate. He's a little better
in the pocket than early Lamar, maybe not as electric
running quite as Lamar. What a rival this could be,
even though one's NFC ones AFC. That just be fantastic
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for the league because we know the New York teams,
you can't trust them as big East Coast markets to
do anything, So why not get Baltimore and Washington. J.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Mack.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
When I was a kid, my favorite team was Washington
nineteen seventy two. George I cant even the whole team,
Fat Fisher, Chris Hanburger, Diyron Talbert, Larry Brown, Billy Kilmer.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It's my favorite team.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And they were great, and they had a big rivalry
with the Cowboys, and weren't very good for a while,
and here comes Joe Gibbs and they were great, right right.
And so for you growing up, you're younger than me,
you probably remember the Joe Gibbs.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Unfortunately, I was living in northern Virginia at the time,
and I was not a Washington at the time Redskins fan.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I was a Jet Sky of course, keep true to
my New York. But hey, people often forget if you're
in your twenties. How great this franchise's history.
Speaker 8 (11:48):
Was eighties and nineties.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
There was a time in it. There was a time
in the seventies. I remember them used to seventies. In
the eighties, they had like a thirty year waiting list
for season ticket.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
They would talk about that on TV all all the time,
the waiting list for tickets. But band ownership corrosive ownership.
It can sink even the greatest fans. So I just
as I watch Washington, it just brings back all these seventies,
eighties and some nineties stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
How great this franchise was.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
That was a great game yesterday, and they'll be likely
a rematch in the first round of the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Within these two we shall see.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (13:26):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
We've pretty much got the playoffs seating all set. I mean,
you got a lot of teams at eighty percent. I
think Washington's now at like eighty percent to get enter
eighty or ninety and the Chargers are at ninety eight percent.
So the AFC playoffs to me Joe Burrow and the Bengals,
I mean the fact.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That Joe Burrow, God, he's good.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
It's insane, batt old line, terrible defense, shaky ownership. Joe
Burrow's doing his thing. But it does look like the
AFC playoffs are set, just some seating stuff in the NFC.
With Washington winning, they're going.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To get in.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But it's there's always little stories inside of the game.
And we all know Caleb Williams is great, and the
Bears are dysfunctional, and we know the Lions are very good.
Cross your fingers getting as many players back as they can.
I don't know right now if they're necessarily better than
Green Bay and Minnesota with all their injuries. I think maybe,
but maybe not. But as they were hammering the Bears yesterday,
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they resorted to a trick play, the old fake fumble.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Why did they do that?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Because there's three NFL job openings, Jet Saints, Bears, and
the Bears is the best one, and the offensive coordinator
for Detroit, Ben Johnson, wanted to make sure the Chicago
brass got a look at the entire playbook. Maybe it's
just me, Maybe it's just me, but it does look interesting.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Why.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean, common sense would tell you you would run
that play as an element of surprise in a big
game to end the season or in the playoffs. So
why run it in a blowout? I think with Caleb Williams,
it's certainly reasonable to hire an offensive coordinator, although I
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think it's a heavy lift. I'd probably go Vrabel culture changer,
but I thought that was interesting the story inside the game.
Let's get a little clever a play that we don't
necessarily need. Chicago is watching, and the thing about Chicago,
this is a good job by bad team standards because
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of Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
That's it. I mean they have a nice roster. There's
a lot of nice rosters.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
But Denver and Washington have proven this year if you
get a coach or a quarterback or both right, you
can go bad to playoffs very quickly. And when I
watch Caleb Williams, this is quarterback purgatory. They have never
had thirty touchdown passes by a quarterback in one year,
which is almost it's almost hard to comprehend. But Chicago's
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done that. So I do think Ben Johnson was showing
off and I don't have a problem with it. The
problem with the Bears is I think they need a
complete overhaul. And the play calling was it was interesting,
to say the least, but the story, yeah, and he'll
get ahead job he was offered one last year. Mid
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flight turned around, and I don't think it's necessarily even
though many people say strike when the iron's hot. His
takeaway was I think we can win the Super Bowl,
and until the injuries popped up on the defensive side,
I think you had to consider them a super Bowl favorite.
Just an interesting play call for a football team in
the Lions that after losing the Buffalo we all kind
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of went, yeah, maybe they're maybe they're not going to
really really excel in January and February. But Dan Campbell says,
we are built for this turbulence.
Speaker 11 (16:55):
It just doesn't get any better than this. This is
what it's all about. Can they get frustrating? Can it
gets stressful?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Can?
Speaker 11 (17:01):
Yeah, it gets all those But it's also it's it's
it's the drug. It's the drug. You know, this is
what you live for. And look, some can't. Some can't
handle this. It's too much for them, players, coaches, teams,
it's just too much. But not our group. This is
this is the good stuff.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Man.
Speaker 11 (17:20):
We're in the middle of it right now.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Next year they'll probably have a help wanted sign outside
for an offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson showing the Chicago brass. Lookie,
looky little cookie. I can do some magical things here.
All you have to do is hire me. J Mack
with a news No, no, the news.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
All right, let's get started, Colin.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
With the AFC North Clash from Saturday, the Ravens beat
up on the Steelers, very impressive performance, officially punching their
postseason ticket Lamar two hundred and seven yards passing and
three times. Yeah, Baltimore and Pittsburgh now tied at ten
and five atop the North. Two weeks left Lamar. Listen,
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last two seasons, we got some numbers here. He is
putting up monster numbers.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Happy for Lamar.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Obviously we need to say, hey, let's see it in January.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
When of matter Moore. But impressive win.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Nonetheless, Ravens tell our radio audiences the last two seasons,
he is first in total yards, first in passer ratings.
Say Flowers has really elevated the passing game, no questions.
Ay Flowers, I think a BC kid, but a nice gift.
And the total touchdown interception ratio is sixty nine to eleven,
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so we can put this to bed. He's not good
from the pocket. He didn't have good receivers. They got
him Zay Flowers. I think Flowers can be you know,
he's had some drops, he's a smaller.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
He had a rough AFC championship he did against it.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But there's no question that Lamar seeks him in big
third down spots.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
He's good. Steeler secondary had some injuries.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
They listen, they came out of that game walking wounded.
Looks like three guys from the start of the defense
may not go on Christmas. Chiefs reeling a bit. Sorry,
Steelers reeling a bit. They've lost three of five. Now
they play the Chiefs on Christmas. Colin, I'm I don't
know if i'm Are you scared of the Steelers right now?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Like?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Well, I think you know, Statistically, defensive players get hurt
more than offensive players. That's just the way the the
stats historically show you that side of the ball is
physically a little more reckless. So when you build a
culture around defense and your defensive guys are getting hurt,
this is who they are. You know. Baltimore is an
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off really, it's a physical, offensive culture with Derek and
Lamar So. I just think the one way Pittsburgh was
going to shock the world was stay healthy, because, let's
be honest, most of their if you think of Pittsburgh,
they were shutting teams down.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
They weren't dropping thirty five points.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
It looks like the loser of Steelers, Ravens and the
Division will travel to Houston in the first round of
the playoffs, which is not a bad matchup.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
For Houston or or Pittsburgh. I mean, that's a good game.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
I just I don't know if Tom gets a playoff
win this year, Colin, I know they'll get their.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I think Baltimore is still going to win the division.
I would agree, and if they do.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
They would host.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I will go four for four in the AFC.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Oh picking every division winner four for.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Four, and now that Atlanta is in first place. Oh god,
I'm gonna go three for four over there.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Okay, Well, early flex here on the show. I see
how did Collein food?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
No, I'm just kidding, not going to Let's go to
Michael Pennick's another victory for you.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Michael Pennocks, Man, I need to start this off by
saying the intersection.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
Was not on him. Cole Pitts.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
That's right, boneheaded stuff, and multiple reports there were four
drops by the Falcons.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Pennix was outstanding. Here's Rahee Morris on his rookie quarterback.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Willie Rally behind a young young man and he went
out and played almost flawless football. The ability to go
out there and be to retain the information, to be
able to bring it to the sideline, and be to
communicate and talk through.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Situation of football.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I think the guy's just a grown adult that came
in with a high level of football experience that's done
nothing over the last fourteen weeks or fifteen weeks whatever's
been of working that into his game. And I couldn't
be more proud of a young man.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
You know what's cool about Penix? You know, Jade and
Daniels and Caleb, they're gonna move a lot. Bo Nicks
actually moves better than anybody thought he would. Penix is
actually of all these rookie quarterbacks, he's the pocket guy.
He's the guy that's gonna sit in the pocket. And
because of that he is so I mean, between Indiana
and Washington, he played in cold Weather, got huge mits
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on him. He really when I watch him play, his
temperament and his poise in the pocket, like you watch
he and Jayden Daniels, they don't look like rookies. They
don't get rattled, they don't get I mean panics. And
now again, I do think Atlanta's online and running back
is really good.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
So this is a nice place.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
He inherited a pretty decent roster Drake London Robinson pretty
good old line. But when you watched him, even when
he threw the ball away, I was like, oh, that's
that's seven year veteran stuff like his understanding of kind
of the tempo of the game. He just looks like
he looked at Washington. He just looks in control.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Of the game.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Now, listen, I don't know how much of this is
facing this the Giants who are pathetic. Yeah, they're clearly tanking.
I mean, I don't even know. Their defense is terrible.
And two pick six is from so the scorer. You know,
I'm thirty four to seven beat down. I'm very curious
what happened with Kirk Cousins because there was an article
that indicates the Falcons are expected to cut Kirk Cousins
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before he's oted a.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
Ten million dollar broo.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It's a big bonus.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
Yeah, it's over for Cousins.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I don't know if I will tell you this.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Increasingly, I am hearing executives who need a quarterback think
the Vikings are going to keep Darnold.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What franchised table. No, That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And Kirk Cousins may get himself a contract somewhere, has
an entire offseason to get better post surgery.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
There's gonna be value on Kirk Cousins, and maybe he'll
take that. Russell Wilson deal. Hey man, they're paying you
twenty seven mil or whatever the number is.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
They goes, I'm not paying you anything.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Come come to us, like seriously, I watch you know
Smith again vomit all over himself in a big spot.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
I would consider Kirk Cousins in Seattle. Yeah, I mean,
you know, you look at Tennessee. They could use a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
No, I said, Rudolph ain't the guy because this is
not a strong quarterback class. And I think a lot
of people think that Aaron Rodgers is playing pretty good now.
He's more athletic than Kirk Cousins. Kirk needs a year
off to just take care of his body post surgery.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Kirk Cousins at a heartbeat over Aaron Rodgers next year
and would not even be closed. Oh okay, what is
there Kirk Cousins drum in the locker room? Is he
giving interviews every week talking to nonsense.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I'm just Aaron's in my opinion, Aaron's last four games,
he's been pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
That's not his.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
Fault that his left tackle knew he was great yesterday.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I know they didn't punt, but well, I think both
offenses struggled. But I thought Aaron through three quarters was
pretty good. I mean again, he wasn't putting up big numbers,
but he's moving a little bit better. They had a
left tackle. They had somebody that jumped. I think a
guy is at Max Mitchell. Somebody on the left side.
I forget the name jumped and it was bad timing.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
And fine, we'll start a team. You can have Rogers cousins. Okay,
see how that works out.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I don't want him forever.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Enjoying everything, the coaching search, the DM serge.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
Yeah, a lot of fun.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
But you know, Kirk Cousin sounds like he's gonna be
playing elsewhere next year.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Final story, Colin is.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
The Rams, who did beat the Jets thirteen unanswered points
in the fourth quarter, and the Rams also by virtue
of the Seahawks losing to the Vikings. The Rams control
their own destiny if they beat the Cardinals this week.
The division is theirs and the Cardinals got eliminated by
the Panthers.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Hey, Kyler Murray, hopefully we get to him later.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, but Rams, listen December, this is the cook. So
they got their tight end Tyler Higby back. His first
catch was a touchdown, So this is the first time
all year they had all their starters and offense, and
so you know they were just last two years. They
can't stay healthy until like November. So I don't think
they're a great team. But when Stafford, this is the
third straight game J. Mack Stafford hasn't been sacked more
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In the first couple of weeks, it was brutal. So
now they have Puka and Cup, and they have Tyler
Higby and Kyron Williams, and they have their offensive line.
So what you're seeing is a defense that's probably a
year away. It's a lot of rookies and second year
guys and an offense now that I think I would
not want to play the Rams, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Really, it looks like it's going to be your Packers
coming to Sofi.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
I know Packers look.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Like they're locked into that six, so they would come
to Sofi for a playoff game. Remember what they did
indoors in Dallas last year. You know, hell of a game.
I think we have to go to that game. Let's
go to that game.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
Packers at Rams.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Talk to your people and you know, all the players,
you're the big dog.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Your people are my people.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
That would be a phenomenal game. I wouldn't count out
the Rams just yet. Lafleur is such a good coach.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
I think that'll be the best game of wild Card
weekend Packers Rams, like, can.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You imagine Sofi Stadium? He'll be a fifty to fifty
crown maybe sixty. Rams have a pretty good fall. If
you're in Green.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Bay, Wisconsin, you're looking to get out of Dodge for
the first week in January and to come out to
or maybe second week.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
And whenever it is, bring the broad worst out here.
Maybe it's a good time. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
College football. College football fans are freaking out. I just
I'll get to that on the other side, some college
football stuff. I want to say this, though, two things
are official for the San Francisco forty nine ers. Number one,
they're out of the playoffs. Number two, they would be
insane to sign Brock pretty early to a big money contract.
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Second week in a row, the game's there, a couple
of minutes left, make a play horrible pick, so they
were healthy. On defense. Kittle was great. That's the best
debo I've seen all season. Jennings was there, Miami's reeling
and I got a nothing burger, seventeen points, second week
in a row, bad pick, eleven penalties. So if you
want to be a fifty five million dollar quarterback, it's
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not about how good are you when everything's perfect. It's
about when you're missing a piece or two, like Sam
Darnold's missing a left tackle.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
They go eight.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
No, I don't want to hear they don't have Christian McCaffrey.
That's where you pay fifty five million. That's where you
pay forty eight million when things aren't perfect. And so
that's my takeaway on pretty I he's solid and he
can be really productive if everything is in life. That's
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not the NFL. The NFL is much closer to Cincinnati
this year. I mean, look at Joe Burrow. I don't
love the owner. The coach is fine, defense is terrible,
offensive line is below average, and the guys like leads
the NFL in passing touchdowns and passing yards. Well, he's
got Jamar Chase. Oh gosh, he gets one great receiver. Sorry,
you know, Brock Purdy had Jennings. Deebo was fantastic yesterday
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George kill has been fantastic all season. Offensive line was fine,
his production was okay, and I get nothing. I get
seventeen points and in the biggest moment of the game,
I get a bad pick. So, you know, Pretty is
I've talked about this before. It's not that I don't
like him. He is the classic IF quarterback. If he
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has a great defense, if he has excellent protection, if
the weather is good, he can win a lot of games.
This is not an IF league. Jayden Daniels is not
doing the IF thing. Jayden Daniels for five touchdown passes
with one weapon not an if. Jayden Daniels is in
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a tough division, facing the number one defense in the league,
and he's got to go down the field and win
the game. And he does. That's not IF. So I'll
pay sixty million. But if you start being an IF guy,
I'm not interested. And that's what I feel here. So
pretty success is contingent on other people's availability and health
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and talent. That's a thirty five million dollar quarterback when
your success is contingent overwhelmingly on others and the everything.
I was talking to a friend of mine who's an
executive in the NFL and we you know, we both
love talking quarterbacks. And he said, there's gotta be a wow,
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and he was saying this is why he didn't love
Kenny Pickett. He said, there was no wow. It's got
to be arm, it's got to be accuracy, it's got
to be mobility. I mean, you watch Jaden Daniels and
there's wow in his ath leticism, there's wow in his
ability to accurately throw the ball in a less than
perfect pocket. You watch Kenny Pickett, who was backing up
for Jalen Hurts, there's not a lot of while there.
(30:10):
So when I look at Purty again, quarterbacks are trucks
they're pulling a team, or trailers they're being pulled. He's
the classic trailer. It's a mistake the Cowboys made right.
They're paying a guy that has to be pulled sixty.
You can't do that or you end up, you know,
winning seven or eight games every year. So I'm watching
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these And if you look at Brock purdy career including playoffs,
his first twenty starts, this is when the stars were
closer to their prime and they were healthy. He's seventeen
and three in his last twenty starts when the roster's
gotten older.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
He's ten and ten.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
His passer rating was one sixteen when everybody was saying
give him the bag. Now his passer ratings ninety three,
which is fine. But Jaden Daniels as a rookie, in
my opinion, a less talented roster. We can argue that,
but a less talented roster in my opinion, go look
at Jayden Daniels passer rating and fourth quarter while trailing
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passer rating. That's a first round quarterback. So this is
not anti Rock party, but at this point, I mean
eleven penalties. Kyle Shanahan talked about those penalties after.
Speaker 12 (31:26):
No matter what's going on, when you have those penalties
like that, you don't deserve to win.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
And that's my big frustration.
Speaker 12 (31:31):
I understand when your backs are against the wall and
you have an up build battle both when you got
first and goal with the two and you make it
third and goal at eighteen or whatever that is, and
you miss a kick and it's completely something that you've
done on your own.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That's that's very frustrating, massive much harder. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
There was a moment in that game where Ricky Pearsall
didn't line up. Diebod Diebo was great yesterday. Deebo had
a great play down to the two. It would have
been a touchdown. Next couple plays touchdown. They were moving
the ball. Instead, it negates it. You get backed up,
you missed the field goal. There's your ballgame. I'm not
blaming all of it, all of it on Rock Turty,
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but I do wonder if you had a veteran quarterback
that looked over and got pierce all on the line
of scrimmage. I just you can't convince me this stuff.
You've been yelling at me. Now, Colin, you don't like him.
It's like guys, that Miami game. Miami was reeling whether
it was good, defense was finally healthy, yet Debo was great,
Kittle was great.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
You had the.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Pieces, didn't have all of them, but you had most
of them. Plus Kyle Shanahan seventeen points. I can't write
big checks for that. All right, College football fans are
freaking out, Colin right, Colin wrong. Matt Hasselbeck top of
Next Hour, A lot of good stuff.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
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Speaker 2 (32:59):
Leading passer Kyle mccorth.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
It's twenty first ranked Syracuse against Washington State.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
He actually kicks off Friday at seven thirty thirty five.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
So in the College Football Playoff, the first round, there's
some home games and all four road teams. And I
was shocked that Tennessee got blasted. But all four road
teams got blasted. Well, you know, I was thinking Indiana
and Tennessee there'd be good games. I thought Clemson would
get blasted an SMU. But listen, let's let's just take
a deep breath here. Number one is this is a
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twelve team playoff that will become a fourteen or sixteen
team playoff in the near future.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
So the only reason.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
We got this thing, the only reason we have this
instead of a Pop Tart Bowl, is because of bureaucracy
and negotiations and concessions like the Mountain West getting a bye. Okay,
I think they'll eventually move to fourteen teams. They'll recede
after the first round. Now this weekend, this next weekend,
we're getting neutral site, so I think the games will
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be much better. But yes, Bamin Old Miss have more
NFL bodies than Indiana, SMU and Clemson maybe combined. But
that's not what this is about. You want NFL bodies
watch on Sunday. So the second thing is never in
my life in college football did I think, like take
Nick Saban when he was dominating college football for twelve years,
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did you ever think during that time, you know, I
would love to see the number eight team in the
country go into Tuscaloosa. I think they have a chance. Hell,
half the time, the number two team in the country
didn't have a chance. So you're gonna see if if
this thing expands and goes to fourteen and sixteen teams
the first round of it. College teams don't play well
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on the road. I mean I watched Tennessee play four times.
They just fell apart. I think was twenty one nothing
Boom and Ohio State off that Michigan loss, was in
no mood to mess around. I mean they were hitting
like Sunday football players. So we just have remember it's
going to expand we only got this puppy for bureaucracy
(35:05):
and concessions. And the other thing to remember is the
reason this was created is because college football. I mean,
think about if we didn't have this. After Ohio State
lost to Michigan, you're going to a second tier bowl game,
Citrus Bowl. Ohio State after this weekend, I think can
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win the Natty. They may be favored to win the Natty.
I watched Texas Longhorns pass defense against Clemson, so what
you want? College football always had this problem. Number two,
There weren't enough big games. I mean how many times
this college football season. I think there's been three or
four weekends where I'm looking around thinking maybe Notre Dame
blank will be interesting, maybe it lacks big games. This
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weekend we got big games Georgia, Notre Dame. We got
big boy games, and we'll have bigger boy games after that.
And the second thing was, even if you were a
good team, if you had two losses by October, your
season was over. You're not playing for any big games.
I mean, now you can lose three games and there's
an argument Bama to get you in. So it's just
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extended the joy and the hope and the optimism, and
that's great for college football. I mean half these bowl
games they're giving away tickets in the stadium is still
half full. So I guess my takeaway on the actual games.
Ohio State and this is why I like the NFL.
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Ohio State had a crushing loss at home, a devastating loss,
maybe the worst loss the Buckeyes have had in twenty years.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
And this morning you wake up and you're.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Like, we're good. We're all good. I think they look
like the best team in the country. Here's Ryan day after.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
It had been a long lead up for us, you know, weeks,
and it does. You know, to say it doesn't weigh
on you, it does. We have a lot of pride
and who we are, and these guys have a lot
of pride. I think it says a lot about who
our guys are that we're able to respond like that
in a big way.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
So I took the underdogs this weekend. J Mack took
the favorites. We both took Texas to win easily. But
even the Texas win over Clemson, Clemson's young quarterbacks pretty good.
I was a little disappointed in the Texas defense. There
were a lot of yards Clemson took a big swing.
What really drove me crazy how Indiana loss. Not the score,
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but to be punting in plus territory. Kurt Signetti all
he does is talk. It just a big old HUTSBA
chest is out and then you played not to lose.
That game drove me nuts. I didn't have a problem
with Clemson losing. They took big swings. They should be
proud of their season. I think Clemson Texas is good
at home, and I think Notre Dame's probably better than
I've given him credit for. I did not like the
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way Indiana was basically coaching not to get embarrassed instead
of coaching to, you know, take some swings. SMU was
just outclassed by Penn State. Jay McK and I both
think Boise State you gave Penn State a little pushback,
but we are now going to neutral fields, so the
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games will be much better.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I guess what I learned this weekend is what I
should have known, is that college football teams struggle on
the road. They're eighteen nineteen year old kids. They struggle
in discomfort. They're just much better at home. So Texas
Arizona State. I'll take Texas, Ohio State, Oregon. I said
before the year, I liked Oregon to win a Natson
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Ohio State to win the next matchup Penn State, Boise
State closed Notre Dame George, I'll sit on that one.
I'll say this though, if you're Oregon, your reward for
having the only perfect season is playing Ohio State. Marcus Freeman,
Notre Dame coaches on our show tomorrow. Think about that
if you're Oregon. So Penn State gets SMU and Boise
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State and Oregon beat them.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
And earn money.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
This open one and a half Ohio State favorite, it's
already up to two and a half.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
Like everybody thinks Ohio State's winning this game.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Well, they look great.
Speaker 7 (39:08):
How many times have we seen in the NFL the
team that had to buy come out sluggish? Yeah, and
the team that played the week prior is like all
geeked up.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I mean, one of the things one of my only
complaints about the twelve team playoff, why did you make
Oregon's road tougher than Penn States.
Speaker 8 (39:24):
In hindsight, that's not great. I just and I.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Also think we're gonna have to go into receding. I
also think, why are we given again? I understand the
concessions and the bureaucracy, but Boise State sitting around didn't
have to play in the first round.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
Mountain West I've been doing a lot of homework on Boise.
We'll see. I like the Broncos a lot in that one.
But the Notre Dame Georgia game.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
Remember it's a Georgia backup rutterback, so not a ton
of tape on him. I think, were you were you
impressed for Notre Dame or was it just Indiana and Eptony?
Speaker 5 (39:55):
No?
Speaker 10 (39:55):
No, no.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I went and watched Notre Dame plate live against USC,
and USC had about five undred yards, so I came
out of that game thinking, But then I also thought
they were a big favorite. They got a big they
got a big lead, and it kind of felt like
they shifted in the cruise control. So I got to
give I think Notre Dame is pretty good football team,
but you know, they had a really bad loss early.
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But this is why the twelve team playoff is great.
It didn't in their season. Yeah, they had a terrible
loss at home early. Okay, you get it. College football
now allows you a mulligan, and you may even get two. Mean,
Alabama almost got in with a Vandy loss and getting
routed by an average Oklahoma team, And I watched that
first half of that game, I'm like, what am I watching,
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and BAMA was the team that many argued, with three losses,
should have been in Colin Wright, Colin Wrong Hour two
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where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. Okay, the
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
We'll get to that in about a half hour. It's
all good.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Next week's neutral sites games are gonna be great. But
you know, years ago, as I told New York Zach
Wilson and Daniel Jones were not gonna work. Before that,
I told him Sam Darnold was gonna work. And sometimes
j Mackett takes a while to be right. So there's
(01:07):
an old saying and it's one of my favorites. Outline
your life in pencil, not pen Things change, opportunities arise,
don't be rigid, keep your eyes open. And I know
Sam Darnold was supposed to be like a one year thing,
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but he is so good with Justin Jefferson, he is
so clutch in the fourth quarter. This is no longer
just a good story. This is an excellent team and
he is an excellent quarterback. This isn't the twenty seven Vikings.
Remember that pre Kirk Cousins case Keenum thirteen wins, Case
had twenty two touchdown Sam's got thirty two in counting,
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and he's eight and one in one score games. He
has just been so good. And quarterbacks are either trucks
where they're pulling the team or they're trailers where they're
being pulled. Sam's a truck. He's pulling this team. They
lost their excellent left tackle, one of the best in
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the game, maybe the best in the game. They lost him.
Sam's like we good eight to no without him. That
fourth quarter gamining drive encapsulates all of Sam Darnold, the
athletic ability, the toughness, making big throws in big moments.
There is no denying he is helping pull this team.
I'm not denying the receiving course good. Kevin O'Connell's an
(02:33):
amazing They call him the Taal Sean McVay. But this
is not the case keenum team. This is not just
a guy that comes in and we all kind of
fall in love with the story. Vegas had these guys
at six wins. That's what Vegas had him at six wins.
This is not a great roster Detroit when healthy. Great roster, Philadelphia,
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great roster, Buffalo, really really good roster. Baltimore excellent roster.
This fusster's is pretty good. But Darnold's toughness, his coach ability,
his playmaking, that last drive man, that's something else. And
again lost their left tackle. Wasn't perfect. This team could
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still be the number one seed. Number one seed. And
I know you drafted JJ McCarthy, I get it, And
I know you brought in Daniel Jones. Understood, But to me,
you got a franchise tagament minimum.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
You can't let him go.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
What if he ends up somewhere along the way and
comes back to beat you, And maybe this is the
best Sam could ever be.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And I'm not going to deny that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Justin Jefferson, there's one in the league. And Kevin O'Connell
is an excellent young coach, and Minnesota's always been a
pretty well run franchise. I'm not denying that, But outline
your life in pencil. Plans, change opportunities, arise. Employees are
better than you think. And I'm not saying it's jess Sam.
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This offense got real players, but they lost their left tackle.
I've seen other quarterbacks rhymes with Brock Purty lose a
left tackle or a running back and shrieked, not slinging
Sammy Darnald.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Another win.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Still, a number one set is viable, and here's the
coach after.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
There wasn't really one guy. And I know I'm not
speaking for myself. I thought we were gonna go down
and we're gonna get a touchdown. And I think the
level of confidence that that group has in their quarterback
and the level of confidence the quarterback has in the
ten guys in the huddle is significant, and that's how
you're able to go do that in that moment on
the road at this place, you know you can't hear
yourself think it's pretty fantastic, you know, performance in that
(04:46):
moment by you know, not just our quarterback, but all
eleven of those guys out there.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Slinging Sammy Darnald. It took a while, but he's special.
So I don't want to overreact. You know, mondays off
a crazy football weekend, it becomes overreaction Monday. I don't
want to overreact to the Eagles losing.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
To Washington.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay, Jalen Hurts very early, got a concussion. It's not
the same team. It's a great roster, but it is
a quarterback league, and I'm not going to overreact because
Jaden Daniels as a rookie through five touchdown passes. The
bigger story is why the NFL is king because you
get the right coach and the right rookie quarterback. You
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draft the right guy and you can go from an
NFL embarrassment for over a decade to the playoffs in
three months. And that's what you're seeing. Jaden Daniels does
not have a great roster. He's got one big time weapon.
But you can see some Lamar Jackson, you can see
the pois. You could see ten to fifteen years of playoffs.
I mean I grew up and they had a different name,
(05:51):
but this was a great franchise. I've said before that
the Washington football franchise reminds me of the Golden State Warriors.
I grew up up in the seventies and Washington the
football team and Golden State the basketball team had legendary
players and you could argue they have the best fan bases.
But mismanagement or bad ownership and the Warriors just sort
(06:12):
of regress into irrelevant even on the West Coast. And
then it all turns around with Steph Curry in Washington,
the George Allen Washington team nineteen seventy two Super Bowl,
this Joe Gibbs, I mean, this was for a long time.
This was tough and physical in the Hogs and then
Dan Snyder and as we always say on this show, ownership,
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bad teams all have one thing in common, and it's
not a bad coach and it's not a bad quarterback. Cincinnati,
I think has a good coach and a great quarterback.
It's usually upstairs, but all you need is the right
coach and the right quarterback. And finally they got a
bad owner out and a great owner in and you're
looking at playoffs. That final drive, what was great about that?
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Not just the three fourth quarter touchdown by Jaden Daniels.
He threw a pick on the previous drive, so what unfazed?
Cut it loose, didn't care very andrew luck, very short memory.
And this rookie quarterback class, by the way, we may
have five for five. I'll watch Panix this weekend. That
dude's good. So obviously the Jalen Hurts concussion can change
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the outcome. But here's what's amazing about this kid. And
I've said this before, the difference between the halves and
the have nots at quarterbacks. When are you good? Okay,
when are you good? Do you lose a left tackle?
Sam Darnold?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
You go eight?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
No, it can't just be when everything's great. When are
you good? This kid has a one to six passer
rating while trailing. That's like goat stuff. Okay, that's Mahomes.
Early Mahomes was better trailing. You could never tell if
Mahomes was leading or trailing. You could never tell a
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lot of quarterbacks in this league with protection they're leading.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
They all look great.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Thrown on second and two, Jayden Daniels has a good
old line.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's better.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
They got Cliff Kingsbury and the offensive staff have done
nice job. It's a better O line top seven or eight.
It's not Detroit, it's not Philly, it's probably not Atlanta,
but it's good. But he's got a great passer rating
trailing and one hundred and fifteen passer rating in the
fourth quarter. That is unheard of for a rookie that
those numbers. This is not September, We're not early October.
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We're now late December. Like that's who the kid is.
And this is probably the worst Rostery plays with, at
least while he's on his rookie contract. Right once they
pay him the big money, you got to make concessions.
But for the next two to three years he'd not
make any money. So this roster's only going to get better.
This kid is nails fourth quarter trailing And I know,
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I know Jalen Hurts was out, But if you're doing
things now in late December in Chile weather against the
number one defense in the league and driving down that
last drive was art, baby, that's what the great ones
look like. That is goat stuff. And we said we
bought with everybody on their show loved him. J Mack
loved him. I loved him coming out of college. But
he is better than I thought early and here he
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is after.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I always believe that it was going the game no
matter what, the game's never overtook, oklock you through. I
think you live for these type of moments. You know,
you got those guys that came in on the win
streak they were on, they were hot, and they're a
very good team, rightfully, so good offense, good defense, all around,
well prepared team. And you want to go out there
see where you match and you match up against those
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type of guys.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Gotta tell you sometimes I feel so lucky to do
this for a living. I'm watching all these young quarterbacks.
Panics looks poised, Jaden is money. Caleb hasn't thrown a
pick in forever since like Halloween, bo Nicks. I think
he and Sean Payton work. I don't know about JJ McCarthy,
but Drake May yesterday, I'm like, oh, oh, dude, can play.
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I mean, I think we did a five for five.
I mean Pennix even when Pennix was throwing the ball
away yesterday, he was good. But none of them have
been consistently as good trailing and in the fourth quarter
as Jaden Daniels. This is exciting time. I mean for
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a Washington franchise. I'm telling you it was the Warriors
for a long time. They were great in the seventies.
Talk about the eighties and all of a sudden you're like,
post Joe Gibbs, It's like, Yeah, what's going on here?
Fad ownership. I'd love to see Washington fifteen year run
with this kid. Can you imagine having Lamar Jackson in
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the Ravens and right around the corner having Jaden Daniels
basically kind of like the duplicate. He's a little better
in the pocket than early Lamar, maybe not as electric
running quite as Lamar. What a rival this could be,
even though one's NFC ones AFC. That just be fantastic
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for the league because we know the New York teams,
you can't trust them as big East Coast markets to
do anything, So why not get Baltimore and Washington. J.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Mack.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
When I was a kid, my favorite team was Washington
nineteen seventy two. George I cant even the whole team,
Fat Fisher, Chris Hanburger, Diyron Talbert, Larry Brown, Billy Kilmer.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It's my favorite team.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And they were great, and they had a big rivalry
with the Cowboys, and weren't very good for a while,
and here comes Joe Gibbs and they were great, right right.
And so for you growing up, you're younger than me,
you probably remember the Joe Gibbs.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Unfortunately, I was living in northern Virginia at the time,
and I was not a Washington at the time Redskins fan.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I was a Jet Sky of course, keep true to
my New York. But hey, people often forget if you're
in your twenties. How great this franchise's history.
Speaker 8 (11:48):
Was eighties and nineties.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
There was a time in it. There was a time
in the seventies. I remember them used to seventies. In
the eighties, they had like a thirty year waiting list
for season ticket.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
They would talk about that on TV all all the time,
the waiting list for tickets. But band ownership corrosive ownership.
It can sink even the greatest fans. So I just
as I watch Washington, it just brings back all these seventies,
eighties and some nineties stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
How great this franchise was.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
That was a great game yesterday, and they'll be likely
a rematch in the first round of the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Within these two we shall see.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (13:26):
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Speaker 1 (13:26):
We've pretty much got the playoffs seating all set. I mean,
you got a lot of teams at eighty percent. I
think Washington's now at like eighty percent to get enter
eighty or ninety and the Chargers are at ninety eight percent.
So the AFC playoffs to me Joe Burrow and the Bengals,
I mean the fact.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That Joe Burrow, God, he's good.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
It's insane, batt old line, terrible defense, shaky ownership. Joe
Burrow's doing his thing. But it does look like the
AFC playoffs are set, just some seating stuff in the NFC.
With Washington winning, they're going.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To get in.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But it's there's always little stories inside of the game.
And we all know Caleb Williams is great, and the
Bears are dysfunctional, and we know the Lions are very good.
Cross your fingers getting as many players back as they can.
I don't know right now if they're necessarily better than
Green Bay and Minnesota with all their injuries. I think maybe,
but maybe not. But as they were hammering the Bears yesterday,
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they resorted to a trick play, the old fake fumble.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Why did they do that?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Because there's three NFL job openings, Jet Saints, Bears, and
the Bears is the best one, and the offensive coordinator
for Detroit, Ben Johnson, wanted to make sure the Chicago
brass got a look at the entire playbook. Maybe it's
just me, Maybe it's just me, but it does look interesting.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Why.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean, common sense would tell you you would run
that play as an element of surprise in a big
game to end the season or in the playoffs. So
why run it in a blowout? I think with Caleb Williams,
it's certainly reasonable to hire an offensive coordinator, although I
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think it's a heavy lift. I'd probably go Vrabel culture changer,
but I thought that was interesting the story inside the game.
Let's get a little clever a play that we don't
necessarily need. Chicago is watching, and the thing about Chicago,
this is a good job by bad team standards because
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of Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
That's it. I mean they have a nice roster. There's
a lot of nice rosters.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
But Denver and Washington have proven this year if you
get a coach or a quarterback or both right, you
can go bad to playoffs very quickly. And when I
watch Caleb Williams, this is quarterback purgatory. They have never
had thirty touchdown passes by a quarterback in one year,
which is almost it's almost hard to comprehend. But Chicago's
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done that. So I do think Ben Johnson was showing
off and I don't have a problem with it. The
problem with the Bears is I think they need a
complete overhaul. And the play calling was it was interesting,
to say the least, but the story, yeah, and he'll
get ahead job he was offered one last year. Mid
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flight turned around, and I don't think it's necessarily even
though many people say strike when the iron's hot. His
takeaway was I think we can win the Super Bowl,
and until the injuries popped up on the defensive side,
I think you had to consider them a super Bowl favorite.
Just an interesting play call for a football team in
the Lions that after losing the Buffalo we all kind
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of went, yeah, maybe they're maybe they're not going to
really really excel in January and February. But Dan Campbell says,
we are built for this turbulence.
Speaker 11 (16:55):
It just doesn't get any better than this. This is
what it's all about. Can they get frustrating? Can it
gets stressful?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Can?
Speaker 11 (17:01):
Yeah, it gets all those But it's also it's it's
it's the drug. It's the drug. You know, this is
what you live for. And look, some can't. Some can't
handle this. It's too much for them, players, coaches, teams,
it's just too much. But not our group. This is
this is the good stuff.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Man.
Speaker 11 (17:20):
We're in the middle of it right now.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Next year they'll probably have a help wanted sign outside
for an offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson showing the Chicago brass. Lookie,
looky little cookie. I can do some magical things here.
All you have to do is hire me. J Mack
with a news No, no, the news.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
All right, let's get started, Colin.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
With the AFC North Clash from Saturday, the Ravens beat
up on the Steelers, very impressive performance, officially punching their
postseason ticket Lamar two hundred and seven yards passing and
three times. Yeah, Baltimore and Pittsburgh now tied at ten
and five atop the North. Two weeks left Lamar. Listen,
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last two seasons, we got some numbers here. He is
putting up monster numbers.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Happy for Lamar.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Obviously we need to say, hey, let's see it in January.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
When of matter Moore. But impressive win.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Nonetheless, Ravens tell our radio audiences the last two seasons,
he is first in total yards, first in passer ratings.
Say Flowers has really elevated the passing game, no questions.
Ay Flowers, I think a BC kid, but a nice gift.
And the total touchdown interception ratio is sixty nine to eleven,
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so we can put this to bed. He's not good
from the pocket. He didn't have good receivers. They got
him Zay Flowers. I think Flowers can be you know,
he's had some drops, he's a smaller.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
He had a rough AFC championship he did against it.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But there's no question that Lamar seeks him in big
third down spots.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
He's good. Steeler secondary had some injuries.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
They listen, they came out of that game walking wounded.
Looks like three guys from the start of the defense
may not go on Christmas. Chiefs reeling a bit. Sorry,
Steelers reeling a bit. They've lost three of five. Now
they play the Chiefs on Christmas. Colin, I'm I don't
know if i'm Are you scared of the Steelers right now?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Like?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Well, I think you know, Statistically, defensive players get hurt
more than offensive players. That's just the way the the
stats historically show you that side of the ball is
physically a little more reckless. So when you build a
culture around defense and your defensive guys are getting hurt,
this is who they are. You know. Baltimore is an
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off really, it's a physical, offensive culture with Derek and
Lamar So. I just think the one way Pittsburgh was
going to shock the world was stay healthy, because, let's
be honest, most of their if you think of Pittsburgh,
they were shutting teams down.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
They weren't dropping thirty five points.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
It looks like the loser of Steelers, Ravens and the
Division will travel to Houston in the first round of
the playoffs, which is not a bad matchup.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
For Houston or or Pittsburgh. I mean, that's a good game.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
I just I don't know if Tom gets a playoff
win this year, Colin, I know they'll get their.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I think Baltimore is still going to win the division.
I would agree, and if they do.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
They would host.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I will go four for four in the AFC.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Oh picking every division winner four for.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Four, and now that Atlanta is in first place. Oh god,
I'm gonna go three for four over there.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Okay, Well, early flex here on the show. I see
how did Collein food?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
No, I'm just kidding, not going to Let's go to
Michael Pennick's another victory for you.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Michael Pennocks, Man, I need to start this off by
saying the intersection.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
Was not on him. Cole Pitts.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
That's right, boneheaded stuff, and multiple reports there were four
drops by the Falcons.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Pennix was outstanding. Here's Rahee Morris on his rookie quarterback.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Willie Rally behind a young young man and he went
out and played almost flawless football. The ability to go
out there and be to retain the information, to be
able to bring it to the sideline, and be to
communicate and talk through.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Situation of football.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I think the guy's just a grown adult that came
in with a high level of football experience that's done
nothing over the last fourteen weeks or fifteen weeks whatever's
been of working that into his game. And I couldn't
be more proud of a young man.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
You know what's cool about Penix? You know, Jade and
Daniels and Caleb, they're gonna move a lot. Bo Nicks
actually moves better than anybody thought he would. Penix is
actually of all these rookie quarterbacks, he's the pocket guy.
He's the guy that's gonna sit in the pocket. And
because of that he is so I mean, between Indiana
and Washington, he played in cold Weather, got huge mits
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on him. He really when I watch him play, his
temperament and his poise in the pocket, like you watch
he and Jayden Daniels, they don't look like rookies. They
don't get rattled, they don't get I mean panics. And
now again, I do think Atlanta's online and running back
is really good.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
So this is a nice place.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
He inherited a pretty decent roster Drake London Robinson pretty
good old line. But when you watched him, even when
he threw the ball away, I was like, oh, that's
that's seven year veteran stuff like his understanding of kind
of the tempo of the game. He just looks like
he looked at Washington. He just looks in control.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Of the game.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Now, listen, I don't know how much of this is
facing this the Giants who are pathetic. Yeah, they're clearly tanking.
I mean, I don't even know. Their defense is terrible.
And two pick six is from so the scorer. You know,
I'm thirty four to seven beat down. I'm very curious
what happened with Kirk Cousins because there was an article
that indicates the Falcons are expected to cut Kirk Cousins
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before he's oted a.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
Ten million dollar broo.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It's a big bonus.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
Yeah, it's over for Cousins.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I don't know if I will tell you this.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Increasingly, I am hearing executives who need a quarterback think
the Vikings are going to keep Darnold.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What franchised table. No, That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And Kirk Cousins may get himself a contract somewhere, has
an entire offseason to get better post surgery.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
There's gonna be value on Kirk Cousins, and maybe he'll
take that. Russell Wilson deal. Hey man, they're paying you
twenty seven mil or whatever the number is.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
They goes, I'm not paying you anything.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Come come to us, like seriously, I watch you know
Smith again vomit all over himself in a big spot.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
I would consider Kirk Cousins in Seattle. Yeah, I mean,
you know, you look at Tennessee. They could use a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
No, I said, Rudolph ain't the guy because this is
not a strong quarterback class. And I think a lot
of people think that Aaron Rodgers is playing pretty good now.
He's more athletic than Kirk Cousins. Kirk needs a year
off to just take care of his body post surgery.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Kirk Cousins at a heartbeat over Aaron Rodgers next year
and would not even be closed. Oh okay, what is
there Kirk Cousins drum in the locker room? Is he
giving interviews every week talking to nonsense.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I'm just Aaron's in my opinion, Aaron's last four games,
he's been pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
That's not his.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
Fault that his left tackle knew he was great yesterday.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I know they didn't punt, but well, I think both
offenses struggled. But I thought Aaron through three quarters was
pretty good. I mean again, he wasn't putting up big numbers,
but he's moving a little bit better. They had a
left tackle. They had somebody that jumped. I think a
guy is at Max Mitchell. Somebody on the left side.
I forget the name jumped and it was bad timing.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
And fine, we'll start a team. You can have Rogers cousins. Okay,
see how that works out.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I don't want him forever.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Enjoying everything, the coaching search, the DM serge.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
Yeah, a lot of fun.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
But you know, Kirk Cousin sounds like he's gonna be
playing elsewhere next year.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Final story, Colin is.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
The Rams, who did beat the Jets thirteen unanswered points
in the fourth quarter, and the Rams also by virtue
of the Seahawks losing to the Vikings. The Rams control
their own destiny if they beat the Cardinals this week.
The division is theirs and the Cardinals got eliminated by
the Panthers.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Hey, Kyler Murray, hopefully we get to him later.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, but Rams, listen December, this is the cook. So
they got their tight end Tyler Higby back. His first
catch was a touchdown, So this is the first time
all year they had all their starters and offense, and
so you know they were just last two years. They
can't stay healthy until like November. So I don't think
they're a great team. But when Stafford, this is the
third straight game J. Mack Stafford hasn't been sacked more
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In the first couple of weeks, it was brutal. So
now they have Puka and Cup, and they have Tyler
Higby and Kyron Williams, and they have their offensive line.
So what you're seeing is a defense that's probably a
year away. It's a lot of rookies and second year
guys and an offense now that I think I would
not want to play the Rams, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Really, it looks like it's going to be your Packers
coming to Sofi.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
I know Packers look.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Like they're locked into that six, so they would come
to Sofi for a playoff game. Remember what they did
indoors in Dallas last year. You know, hell of a game.
I think we have to go to that game. Let's
go to that game.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
Packers at Rams.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Talk to your people and you know, all the players,
you're the big dog.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Your people are my people.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
That would be a phenomenal game. I wouldn't count out
the Rams just yet. Lafleur is such a good coach.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
I think that'll be the best game of wild Card
weekend Packers Rams, like, can.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You imagine Sofi Stadium? He'll be a fifty to fifty
crown maybe sixty. Rams have a pretty good fall. If
you're in Green.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Bay, Wisconsin, you're looking to get out of Dodge for
the first week in January and to come out to
or maybe second week.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
And whenever it is, bring the broad worst out here.
Maybe it's a good time. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
College football. College football fans are freaking out. I just
I'll get to that on the other side, some college
football stuff. I want to say this, though, two things
are official for the San Francisco forty nine ers. Number one,
they're out of the playoffs. Number two, they would be
insane to sign Brock pretty early to a big money contract.
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Second week in a row, the game's there, a couple
of minutes left, make a play horrible pick, so they
were healthy. On defense. Kittle was great. That's the best
debo I've seen all season. Jennings was there, Miami's reeling
and I got a nothing burger, seventeen points, second week
in a row, bad pick, eleven penalties. So if you
want to be a fifty five million dollar quarterback, it's
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not about how good are you when everything's perfect. It's
about when you're missing a piece or two, like Sam
Darnold's missing a left tackle.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
They go eight.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
No, I don't want to hear they don't have Christian McCaffrey.
That's where you pay fifty five million. That's where you
pay forty eight million when things aren't perfect. And so
that's my takeaway on pretty I he's solid and he
can be really productive if everything is in life. That's
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not the NFL. The NFL is much closer to Cincinnati
this year. I mean, look at Joe Burrow. I don't
love the owner. The coach is fine, defense is terrible,
offensive line is below average, and the guys like leads
the NFL in passing touchdowns and passing yards. Well, he's
got Jamar Chase. Oh gosh, he gets one great receiver. Sorry,
you know, Brock Purdy had Jennings. Deebo was fantastic yesterday
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George kill has been fantastic all season. Offensive line was fine,
his production was okay, and I get nothing. I get
seventeen points and in the biggest moment of the game,
I get a bad pick. So, you know, Pretty is
I've talked about this before. It's not that I don't
like him. He is the classic IF quarterback. If he
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has a great defense, if he has excellent protection, if
the weather is good, he can win a lot of games.
This is not an IF league. Jayden Daniels is not
doing the IF thing. Jayden Daniels for five touchdown passes
with one weapon not an if. Jayden Daniels is in
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a tough division, facing the number one defense in the league,
and he's got to go down the field and win
the game. And he does. That's not IF. So I'll
pay sixty million. But if you start being an IF guy,
I'm not interested. And that's what I feel here. So
pretty success is contingent on other people's availability and health
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and talent. That's a thirty five million dollar quarterback when
your success is contingent overwhelmingly on others and the everything.
I was talking to a friend of mine who's an
executive in the NFL and we you know, we both
love talking quarterbacks. And he said, there's gotta be a wow,
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and he was saying this is why he didn't love
Kenny Pickett. He said, there was no wow. It's got
to be arm, it's got to be accuracy, it's got
to be mobility. I mean, you watch Jaden Daniels and
there's wow in his ath leticism, there's wow in his
ability to accurately throw the ball in a less than
perfect pocket. You watch Kenny Pickett, who was backing up
for Jalen Hurts, there's not a lot of while there.
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So when I look at Purty again, quarterbacks are trucks
they're pulling a team, or trailers they're being pulled. He's
the classic trailer. It's a mistake the Cowboys made right.
They're paying a guy that has to be pulled sixty.
You can't do that or you end up, you know,
winning seven or eight games every year. So I'm watching
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these And if you look at Brock purdy career including playoffs,
his first twenty starts, this is when the stars were
closer to their prime and they were healthy. He's seventeen
and three in his last twenty starts when the roster's
gotten older.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
He's ten and ten.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
His passer rating was one sixteen when everybody was saying
give him the bag. Now his passer ratings ninety three,
which is fine. But Jaden Daniels as a rookie, in
my opinion, a less talented roster. We can argue that,
but a less talented roster in my opinion, go look
at Jayden Daniels passer rating and fourth quarter while trailing
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passer rating. That's a first round quarterback. So this is
not anti Rock party, but at this point, I mean
eleven penalties. Kyle Shanahan talked about those penalties after.
Speaker 12 (31:26):
No matter what's going on, when you have those penalties
like that, you don't deserve to win.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
And that's my big frustration.
Speaker 12 (31:31):
I understand when your backs are against the wall and
you have an up build battle both when you got
first and goal with the two and you make it
third and goal at eighteen or whatever that is, and
you miss a kick and it's completely something that you've
done on your own.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That's that's very frustrating, massive much harder. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
There was a moment in that game where Ricky Pearsall
didn't line up. Diebod Diebo was great yesterday. Deebo had
a great play down to the two. It would have
been a touchdown. Next couple plays touchdown. They were moving
the ball. Instead, it negates it. You get backed up,
you missed the field goal. There's your ballgame. I'm not
blaming all of it, all of it on Rock Turty,
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but I do wonder if you had a veteran quarterback
that looked over and got pierce all on the line
of scrimmage. I just you can't convince me this stuff.
You've been yelling at me. Now, Colin, you don't like him.
It's like guys, that Miami game. Miami was reeling whether
it was good, defense was finally healthy, yet Debo was great,
Kittle was great.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
You had the.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Pieces, didn't have all of them, but you had most
of them. Plus Kyle Shanahan seventeen points. I can't write
big checks for that. All right, College football fans are
freaking out, Colin right, Colin wrong. Matt Hasselbeck top of
Next Hour, A lot of good stuff.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a im pacific.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
It's a Muletide showdown in the Direct TV Holiday Bold
as the nation's.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Leading passer Kyle mccorth.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
It's twenty first ranked Syracuse against Washington State.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
He actually kicks off Friday at seven thirty thirty five.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
So in the College Football Playoff, the first round, there's
some home games and all four road teams. And I
was shocked that Tennessee got blasted. But all four road
teams got blasted. Well, you know, I was thinking Indiana
and Tennessee there'd be good games. I thought Clemson would
get blasted an SMU. But listen, let's let's just take
a deep breath here. Number one is this is a
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twelve team playoff that will become a fourteen or sixteen
team playoff in the near future.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
So the only reason.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
We got this thing, the only reason we have this
instead of a Pop Tart Bowl, is because of bureaucracy
and negotiations and concessions like the Mountain West getting a bye. Okay,
I think they'll eventually move to fourteen teams. They'll recede
after the first round. Now this weekend, this next weekend,
we're getting neutral site, so I think the games will
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be much better. But yes, Bamin Old Miss have more
NFL bodies than Indiana, SMU and Clemson maybe combined. But
that's not what this is about. You want NFL bodies
watch on Sunday. So the second thing is never in
my life in college football did I think, like take
Nick Saban when he was dominating college football for twelve years,
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did you ever think during that time, you know, I
would love to see the number eight team in the
country go into Tuscaloosa. I think they have a chance. Hell,
half the time, the number two team in the country
didn't have a chance. So you're gonna see if if
this thing expands and goes to fourteen and sixteen teams
the first round of it. College teams don't play well
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on the road. I mean I watched Tennessee play four times.
They just fell apart. I think was twenty one nothing
Boom and Ohio State off that Michigan loss, was in
no mood to mess around. I mean they were hitting
like Sunday football players. So we just have remember it's
going to expand we only got this puppy for bureaucracy
(35:05):
and concessions. And the other thing to remember is the
reason this was created is because college football. I mean,
think about if we didn't have this. After Ohio State
lost to Michigan, you're going to a second tier bowl game,
Citrus Bowl. Ohio State after this weekend, I think can
(35:26):
win the Natty. They may be favored to win the Natty.
I watched Texas Longhorns pass defense against Clemson, so what
you want? College football always had this problem. Number two,
There weren't enough big games. I mean how many times
this college football season. I think there's been three or
four weekends where I'm looking around thinking maybe Notre Dame
blank will be interesting, maybe it lacks big games. This
(35:49):
weekend we got big games Georgia, Notre Dame. We got
big boy games, and we'll have bigger boy games after that.
And the second thing was, even if you were a
good team, if you had two losses by October, your
season was over. You're not playing for any big games.
I mean, now you can lose three games and there's
an argument Bama to get you in. So it's just
(36:12):
extended the joy and the hope and the optimism, and
that's great for college football. I mean half these bowl
games they're giving away tickets in the stadium is still
half full. So I guess my takeaway on the actual games.
Ohio State and this is why I like the NFL.
(36:32):
Ohio State had a crushing loss at home, a devastating loss,
maybe the worst loss the Buckeyes have had in twenty years.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
And this morning you wake up and you're.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Like, we're good. We're all good. I think they look
like the best team in the country. Here's Ryan day after.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
It had been a long lead up for us, you know, weeks,
and it does. You know, to say it doesn't weigh
on you, it does. We have a lot of pride
and who we are, and these guys have a lot
of pride. I think it says a lot about who
our guys are that we're able to respond like that
in a big way.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
So I took the underdogs this weekend. J Mack took
the favorites. We both took Texas to win easily. But
even the Texas win over Clemson, Clemson's young quarterbacks pretty good.
I was a little disappointed in the Texas defense. There
were a lot of yards Clemson took a big swing.
What really drove me crazy how Indiana loss. Not the score,
(37:29):
but to be punting in plus territory. Kurt Signetti all
he does is talk. It just a big old HUTSBA
chest is out and then you played not to lose.
That game drove me nuts. I didn't have a problem
with Clemson losing. They took big swings. They should be
proud of their season. I think Clemson Texas is good
at home, and I think Notre Dame's probably better than
I've given him credit for. I did not like the
(37:49):
way Indiana was basically coaching not to get embarrassed instead
of coaching to, you know, take some swings. SMU was
just outclassed by Penn State. Jay McK and I both
think Boise State you gave Penn State a little pushback,
but we are now going to neutral fields, so the
(38:10):
games will be much better.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I guess what I learned this weekend is what I
should have known, is that college football teams struggle on
the road. They're eighteen nineteen year old kids. They struggle
in discomfort. They're just much better at home. So Texas
Arizona State. I'll take Texas, Ohio State, Oregon. I said
before the year, I liked Oregon to win a Natson
(38:33):
Ohio State to win the next matchup Penn State, Boise
State closed Notre Dame George, I'll sit on that one.
I'll say this though, if you're Oregon, your reward for
having the only perfect season is playing Ohio State. Marcus Freeman,
Notre Dame coaches on our show tomorrow. Think about that
if you're Oregon. So Penn State gets SMU and Boise
(38:57):
State and Oregon beat them.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
And earn money.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
This open one and a half Ohio State favorite, it's
already up to two and a half.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
Like everybody thinks Ohio State's winning this game.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Well, they look great.
Speaker 7 (39:08):
How many times have we seen in the NFL the
team that had to buy come out sluggish? Yeah, and
the team that played the week prior is like all
geeked up.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I mean, one of the things one of my only
complaints about the twelve team playoff, why did you make
Oregon's road tougher than Penn States.
Speaker 8 (39:24):
In hindsight, that's not great. I just and I.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Also think we're gonna have to go into receding. I
also think, why are we given again? I understand the
concessions and the bureaucracy, but Boise State sitting around didn't
have to play in the first round.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
Mountain West I've been doing a lot of homework on Boise.
We'll see. I like the Broncos a lot in that one.
But the Notre Dame Georgia game.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
Remember it's a Georgia backup rutterback, so not a ton
of tape on him. I think, were you were you
impressed for Notre Dame or was it just Indiana and Eptony?
Speaker 5 (39:55):
No?
Speaker 10 (39:55):
No, no.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I went and watched Notre Dame plate live against USC,
and USC had about five undred yards, so I came
out of that game thinking, But then I also thought
they were a big favorite. They got a big they
got a big lead, and it kind of felt like
they shifted in the cruise control. So I got to
give I think Notre Dame is pretty good football team,
but you know, they had a really bad loss early.
(40:16):
But this is why the twelve team playoff is great.
It didn't in their season. Yeah, they had a terrible
loss at home early. Okay, you get it. College football
now allows you a mulligan, and you may even get two. Mean,
Alabama almost got in with a Vandy loss and getting
routed by an average Oklahoma team, And I watched that
first half of that game, I'm like, what am I watching,
(40:38):
and BAMA was the team that many argued, with three losses,
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