October 8, 2024 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
All right, here we go. What do you know?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Jets fired another coach live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It's The Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Wherever you may be and however you may be watching
or listening, Thanks for making us part of your day. Well,
Robert Sala has been fired. Reportedly he was blindsided. I
don't know how you could be blind side. You get
blindsided if you get hit by a bus. You don't
get blindsided if you get fired by the Jets, the Raiders,
the Cleveland Browns. It's just you get hired to be fired. Now,
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if you're the Miami Heat, you know, then we would
be blindside.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
We got a knife in the back from Aaron Rodgers.
I don't know if that's blindsided or not.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well, give me seven or eight minutes to kind of
sort through this. So Robert Solow this morning said he
was blindsided fired by the Jets. So and we warned
you if you go to London where Woody Johnson was
the former ambassador to the UK, it's got all his bougie
billionaire buddies in the stadium, ex Jet Sam Darnold beats you,
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something's gonna happen, and it did this morning. So in
the moment, for all you alphas out there, it feels good. Yeah,
it's like going to the batting cage when you're in
a bad mood. Take a few whacks. Somebody's got to
pay for this. Congrats, you just fired the most competent
coach on your staff. Nat Hackett is probably the worst
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OC in the league. He's still there because Aaron make
sure he's there. So this will be the fifth head coach,
head coach, interim coach in eleven years. Does it sound
like a well run business? If you owned a company,
you're on your fifth CEO in eleven years, would you
be a well run company? For the record, if they
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beat the Bills on Monday Night football, that terrible Robert
Sala coach, they would have been in first place with
way past his prime Aaron Rodgers. So ask yourself, what
is easily the best part of the Jets, the defense,
the part he coaches. Robert Sala didn't whiff on a
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quarterback in the left tackle in the first round, forcing
the organization to hand all the power to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Robert Sala.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Didn't mishandle the Hassan Reddick mess again. I know it
feels good, Jets. It felt good to beat the Patriots.
It feels good to fire the coach. It always feels
good for poorly run businesses to fire people and that
will solve it.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And go ahead, Colin.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
He didn't get along with Aaron Rodgers, Well, we told
you that a couple of weeks ago, and you push
back on your go green Reddit boards when we told
you they're not getting along. It's not rosy. So now
suddenly you're an expert on the relationship between Robert Saal
and Aaron Rodgers, and I don't think they get along well.
I don't think Robert Sala a little bit too much ego.
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He just couldn't keep things to himself. Remember when he said,
this is an inexcused absence at the podium during mini camp, Robert,
keep it to yourself. Remember when he said, Aaron Rodgers
will not play in the preseason. Aaron was mystified by
that keep it to yourself when he banged on Aaron Rodgers,
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the best cadence quarterback in the NFL, probably my entire life,
Aaron fired back coach Vanity, keep it to yourself. We
all know about offense, defense, special teams, the three phases
of football. Here's the fourth. When you have an old, rich,
prickly quarterback, monitor what you say at the podium. He
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wasn't very good at the podium. Belichick gets made fun
of for saying on to Cincinnati. But Belichick and Brady
never went to dinner in twenty years. But at the podium,
they co parented. They never embarrassed each other. They always
were on the same message. Sala and Aaron weren't well colin.
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Aaron's difficult to get along with you, I know, ask
Mike McCarthy. But that's the deal. You brought him in
to save the franchise. Don't humiliate him, don't embarrass him. Yes,
he can be sensitive. So the interim coach is jeff Aulbrick,
who was the loud guy on Hard Knocks. Former player
Kyle Shanahan tried to hire him. At one point kind
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of an alpha guy.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He could win.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean, interim coaches like substitute teachers. Everybody loves them.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
He could win.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I wouldn't doubt it. But in the end, you're on
your fifth coach, head coach or interim coach in eleven years.
This is what you are as a franchise. If your
company had the fifth CEO, would you think, oh, it
is human here. And I understand firing coaches. Andy Reid
got fired in Philadelphia sometimes, as pat Riley says, you
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need a new voice. This is a team that is
good at one thing, the one thing, solid coaches, and
they could be in first place by Monday night. Just
think about that. This is This is not a team
like what you're watching in Carolina. This is not a
team that's hopeless. The roster's pretty good. Sala had his
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side playing well. I mean, can you imagine if Hassan
Reddick would have been in the building, how good this
defense would have been. It's already good now. And here's
the other thing you know. I I've been talking about
this for years, is owners now are so rich. They
didn't I mean used to be even ten years ago.
They weren't all billionaires. A guy would have a seven
eight hundred million dollar net worth, They would give a
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coach an extra year, But the owners now are all
multi billionaires, So firing a coach, firing a firing a
staff is a rounding air. They just don't care. But
by Monday night, the Jets could be in first place.
And so so I mean, if you want to know
why Kansas City keeps winning, it's all that institutional knowledge
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and that momentum and that culture that they don't constantly disrupt.
In their division, the Chargers had Anthony Lynn Brandon's daily
Jim Harbather restarting the engine every couple of years. How
many coaches have the Raiders had since Andy Reid got there?
Broncos are on their second or third. So I am
not a fan of blowing everything up. I always ask
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the question, if you're going to fire a coach. This
is why I've kind of supported Matt Eberflus, does the
coach know his side of the ball. Sala is great
with motivation and he's great with defense. So he's gone.
And maybe the alpha, you know, the ex player, a
tough guy, maybe it works. He's got kind of a
Dan Campbell field to him. I got nothing against him,
don't know him. Kyle Shanan's a smart guy, he likes him.
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It may work, but this will not be a job
that everybody signs up for. There's gonna be potentially Trevor
Lawrence is gonna need a coach, Maybe Dack will need
a coach. Maybe Joe Burrow will need a coach. You're
going to this mess.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I'm gonna move.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
My wife, my daughter's cross country to Woody Johnson. But again, hey,
get your aluminum bat out, go to the batting cage.
It feels good today. Get those wax in. You are
a franchise am. I supposed to believe Woody Johnson didn't
talk to Aaron Rodgers, really didn't give him a heads up. Really,
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I can't believe that because Woody Johnson in the offseason
all he talked about we got to get the offense right, Well,
who runs the Aaron Rodgers. You didn't give him heads up?
You didn't say Aaron. I'm really disappointed. I mean it's Tuesday, now,
get over forty eight hours. Yeah, a lot of time.
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Aaron never got tipped on this. I mean, go ask
Mike McCarthy. Once Aaron goes on you know, his darkness retreat,
and I'm not talking about the official one in Oregon
when he turns dark. Can we talk about this all
the time. You're done as a coach. So, and I
think over this past week we showed it on the air,
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Aaron went dark during that game. He's doing a hand
motion in Nat Hackett hurry up and get the plays,
and he turned on the staff. So again, it makes
you feel good to go to the batting cage, and
it makes you feel good to pretend on your Reddit
board that Aaron didn't have anything to do with it.
Now you're what you're gonna do. It's gonna be like Lebron.
They're gonna go out. Now, Aaron's gonna distance himself from this.
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This is what Lebron does. Totally distance yourself. I had
no idea. And to remember, agents get in all the
story breakers in this business. They get their news from agents,
and so you know you're gonna find there's gonna be
a lot of positioning on this story. It caught Aaron
by total surprise. I had no idea. In his friends,
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we'll relay the message. I have a hard time believe
in Woody Johnson fires Robert Salah, the most competent coach
on his staff, the one guy who's graded his job
and didn't tip Aaron at all. I was told Aaron
and Sola were buddies. I mean, if they're buddies, you're
gonna fire my best friend at Fox. You're not gonna
call and say, yeah, something happened.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I mean, I don't buy that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
If if you're telling somebody they're valuable, and you know
they're really close with the guy and the staff, you're
not gonna tip him off.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I mean, believe what you want to believe. Believe what
you want to believe.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But the fifth coach eleven years, you could be in
first place by all right, j Mack, you're a Jet fan.
I uh now, I'm not gonna get in your way
for a couple of minutes. You tell me what you
feel right now?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
You just referenced Lebron James. When Lebron James runs off coaches.
Here's the difference. Lebron wins championships everywhere he goes. Aaron
Rodgers hasn't won anything in this league except an MVP
Award and a bunch of postseason losses since he won
the Super Bowl way back. Well, TikTok didn't even exist
when Aaron Rodgers won a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
That's how long it's been.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yet he should have all the power in New York.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Colin like, this isn't about Robert Salom We know that, right,
This isn't about Sala.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
They solidn't lose the game in London to the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Aaron did.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Aaron Rodgers was awful, but he doesn't want any accountability, right,
He's like, hey, hey, we lost. He's a losing franchise,
not my fault.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
To Aaron's credit, he acknowledged he was terrible. That's what's
the irony here. It would be one thing if Aaron
was great in London and Sala's defense got ShredIt.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Sala's defense was the first all year to completely flummex
the Vikings offense. So Sala's defense without Hassan Reddick, who
should be there, with Sauce Gardner getting hurt, with Quinn
Williams at one point getting banged up, completely shut down
Justin Jefferson, completely shut down the Minnesota Vikings, who'll probably
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drop forty five this week. And Aaron was terrible, and
Hackett keeps his job and Sala gets fired.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Well, this is what happens. What's the same.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
When you lay down with dogs, you get fleas. Woody
Johnson was desperate for relevance, you know how. The Browns
were desperate. Hey, Deshaun Watson, we'll give you the fully
guarantee contract.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Come on down.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Hasn't worked out. Jets were desperate. Longest playoff drought in
the NFL. Yeah, Aaron, please let me get on the
private jet.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Aaron, please, we need you.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Remember last week I said the Mets are going into
the playoffs. The Yankees are going to the playoffs. I
said this last week. The Giants are not.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Terrible, They're terrible.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And the Knicks have their first championship level team in
twenty years. And I said this last week in New
York it's a battle for the back page. So the
Mets are I mean, the way they win, you can't
take your eyes off them. The Yankees are disappointing you,
but they're the number one Brandon Town. Here comes the
next season and say what you want about the Giants
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is big Blue has all the trophies in that town.
They have a lot of fans. They play in the
same Stadium and that win in Seattle, people are like,
all right, they're getting all fired up. This is also
about crazy Woody, impulsive Woody not getting attention because they
lose Monday Night. The Jets once again have a great
defense and embarrassing offense.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Remember how we talked about Aaron Rodgers wanting to copy
Tom Brady. Tom Brady leaves to go to Tampa and
you know, has some beef with Arians and ends up
winning the Super Bowl. Brought his guys, Hey Grunk, come
out of retirement, Antonio Brown, come live in my house.
It all worked out for Brady. Rogers tried to do
the same thing. Hey, Matt Hackett, come on, come.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
On with me. We'll build something in New York.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Heylizard Randall Cobb.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Remember that experiment. It's all been a disaster.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I listen, I don't want to be too harsh here
on Rogers, But at this stage in his career, is
he a loser? He hasn't won games, he hasn't won
anything since those MVP awards. He's losing left and right
with coaches.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
With well there, MVP awards are very big in baseball.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Nobody cares in the NFL, nobody cares. It's all about
winning on Sunday. This is not a league that romanticizes itself.
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You can't listen to a baseball discussion in New York.
Somebody will call a show and bring up Mickey Mannle.
When's the last time you listen to sports radio in
America and somebody brought up Hugh mcklehaney the running back.
We don't even bring up Barry Sanders. So baseball, it's history,
its lore is very much about the rear view mirror.
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Football's the windshield? What have you done Sunday? So ask
what is Robert solid Dunn as of this moment, arguably
the best defense in the league. Shut down Minnesota, best
coach on the staff, and he's out. And again, it
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feels good when your team sucks. You can't fire the players,
so it feels good for a fan. It's that whole thing.
I got to release all this anger intention. Everybody in
New York wfan today will be yeah, yet you just
lost the best coach on your staff. Now, is he
a great head coach? Certainly that's debatable. I think there
was too much vanity. I mean, he's a great looking guy,
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he's got good energy, it's kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It's New York.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
He probably walks into restaurants in New York, and you know,
he's a great looking guy. I get it, and I
thought he's he was really very weak at the podium. Again,
if he said this stuff in I mean, if he
said this stuff in Carolina or Seattle, it just wouldn't
make it wouldn't make the news. But if Aaron Rodgers
calls you out in Green Bay, Dallas, New York, San Francisco,
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big brands, big cities, that's a whole different ballgame. So
that's why when the Jets hire these young coaches, Adam Gaze,
who was peculiar, or Robert Sala, you got the vanity
and kind of the alpha stuff, there is something to
be said. I mean, Sean mcvay's great at this, the
master of talking and not saying a ton. Derek Jeter
the master. Eli Manning the master, I mean literally, Eli
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Manning and Derek Jeter are the best I've ever seen.
They talk a lot and never say anything.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
In New York.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
They never throw a team at under the bus. We
know Jeter and Arod had their issues, never ever a problem. Belichick,
Brady didn't get along, didn't go to dinner. In twenty years.
They never threw each under the bus. The messaging was
always the same. I always had this theory about Brady.
He did this Monday morning Am radio hit in Boston.
Obviously he didn't need the money. It was Brady starting
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the messaging with Belichick for the week. Here's the message
for the week. That's what Brady did that. Big Ben
did this for years in Pittsburgh. Where he would you
start the message for the week. So Brady sometimes was
furious with Belichick. He wasn't being respected. We saw that
at the very end of the documentary. But the messaging
was good. Sla and Era's messaging was terrible. It was terrible.
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The guys sit down for ten minutes every Tuesday and
Thursday and talk and say where are we on the
stand and just call it the same page, have a
little thing, bring a pr guy in. What's the same page?
You say this, I'll say that takes ten minutes. That
was part of his undoing.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Michael Irvin yesterday nailed it when he said I didn't
understand how the quarterback and the coach were going up
to hug after that big moment and Rogers was like
settle down, like keeping at arms length. The way Irvin
talked about that we should have seen this was coming up.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, when that happened, remember that video. We probably have
it in the back. When that video happened. I defended
Aaron on this. I said, dude, it's the second quarter,
chill out and that like the podium stuff with sala Is.
The thing I think you can criticize saula on is
that he was sometimes he was more like buddy than coach.
That's the one thing I will defend Aaron on the podium. Dude,
you're the grown up in the room. Do not throw
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Aaron under a bus. He's prickly, that's who he is.
And we've all you know, listened if if you take
over a company and you've got a student or you
got an employee, that's a little prickly, but they're important.
You just have to know that going in Sala new
going in Aaron had a history. I'm not gonna blame
Aaron for that. Aaron is being authentic to who Aaron is.
Go read the book by Ian O'Connor. This is who
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Aaron is and he now runs the franchise. He's a
quarterback and the best player on your team or one
of the top four or five.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You got to do it better.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So Sala, that's where Sola, to me, gets criticism. It's
not on the coaching, That's not what it is. It's
really on his inability as a young, good looking guy
with a lot of testosterone to sometimes take one for
the team, act like a grown up. That I think
it's fair to criticize him. But can he coach? Kyle
Shanahan loved him? Okay, that defense is for real. Nobody
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slows down the Vikings and they shut him down with
Sauce Gardner on the pine, So don't tell me he
can't coach.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah, he'll be a defensive coordinator somewhere in this tomorrow,
probably tomorrow.
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Speaker 1 (18:15):
By the way, I'll just throw this out there, Robert
Solid fired as the Jets head coach. It's not gonna
happen now, but both Mike Rabel and Bill Belichick are available.
Vrabel would be my choice. He could deal with some
of the Aaron Rodgers drama. He's a tough guy. I
know Mike totally respect Mike. Vrabel would be my choice
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for the New York Jets. It's not gonna happen now.
They're gonna go with an interim guy who interim coaches
are substitute teachers.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Everybody loves him.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I'm a Vrabel guy, and with average quarterback play, he
became a number one seed. He's smart, respected, He will
get Aaron's respect. They need to get the quarterback of
the future. But you'll have Aaron for like next year
and maybe another year, and you know, I mean, who
knows how that goes. But that would be my number
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one choice. My number two choice would be Belichick as
long as Bill gets no say in personnel. Bill Butcher
the last six drafts for the Patriots, his GM at
the time up there left went to Houston, and they've
been wizards in the draft. And that's because Bill would
not let his GM in New England clearly have the
final say. And I was told that three or four
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years ago that in mid January, Bill would kind of say, Okay,
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So Belichick the coach I love.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I think Vrabel has a good eye for personnel, and
I think he's a really good coach. I'm sure he
could work with Joe Douglas. By the way, I don't
think Joe Douglas is a terrible general manager, but he
whiffed on a left tackle, Hassan Reddick, and a quarterback.
Those are three big whiffs. I think he's very capable
because I like the Jets roster. I think they have
the best corner duo, an All Pro linebacker Quinn Williams.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
They got players.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I even like the Penn State off defensive tackle. He's
not quite there yet, but I think he's talented. I
like the roster, so Vrabel would be my guy.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
J Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This
is the herd Line News. We're gonna have a ton
on the Jets.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Obviously today there's a we're waiting for stuff to trickle out,
but like some of the stuff that he didn't even
get to address the team Jordan Chultzen, Pete Schrager a
guy for reporting stuff. But it's still trickling out. So
we'll get back to the Jets. But let's start here with.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
The Niners column forty nine ers no.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Strangers, to slow starts, right, So they were five and
zero last year, but before that they were four and
four going into the bye week, and then in twenty
twenty one they started three and five. All three years,
San Franz still made the NFC Championship Game. Kyle Shanahan
is not banking on that, saying I've seen teams start
zero to.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Four and get there before, so there's lots.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Of things that go into it. But I think every
year is different. We got to write our own story
and it has nothing to do with the other years.
Niners have a huge game and this is the biggest
Thursday night game of the season since the opener. Right,
Chiefs Ravens Niner, Seahawks Niners favored by three.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And a half. I don't know, Colin.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I think the Niners are the side here, but a
lot of underlying issues with San Francisco right now.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, I think the Niners are the side as well.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Seahawks played so poorly against the Giants, but the Giants
deserve credit because they dominated the line of scrimmage, so
it's easy to say, well, the Seahawks played poorly. No,
the Giants made the Seahawks played poorly. If you watch
that game. The score is not reflective of what I saw.
I saw Daniel Jones in an offense running a ball
and dominating the trenches. So I think San Francisco wins.
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But they do have problems. And once again, if you
take Christian McCaffrey the magic in this offense, you can
have everything else. Trent Williams left tackle, Christian McCaffrey. If
they don't play, they don't win. Even if they've got Kittle,
Fred Warner, Deebo, they don't win.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Clearly, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I saw stat Colin they were number one in the
red zone last year in scoring.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Now they're thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yes, that's all mccaffree, stagger the same team. It's all McCaffrey.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
It's like, I mean, the teams that are thirty one
and thirty two are Miami and New England. Miami with
backup quarterbacks, New England as a joke, But why are
the Niners down there play calling suspect? However, we have
odds to win the Super Bowl. This may surprise you.
Currently at Chiefs are obviously favored. Then it's the Ravens,
then it's the forty nine.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Well that's this.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I mean after last night, is there any question that
Kansas City is easily the best team in the league.
They literally were showing off on Monday night football. Taylor
Swift shows up, Wallah, Travis Kelsey's great. They were doing
trick plays and clever stuff all night. That was you
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know what that was last night? That was Kad, Steph
Clay Draymond in their prime. When you get that big
standalone Sunday game and they would show off and all
of a sudden, Steph Curris got a little more razzle
to his dazzle. That's what can't just that he did
last night. She's in town, Taylor Swift, Monday night football,
standalone game and the Chiefs flexed for all of us.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
That being said, it's early, We're not even a third
of the way through the season.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
The Niners probably can turn it around, but I don't.
I just don't.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I don't know who the best team in the NFC
is right now. And honestly, I keep coming back to
your Washington Commanders.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I'm not even joking.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
After five games, all right, Next up, Colin, let's go
to your favorite quarterback in the NFC, Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
That is best games of Pro getting better every game
twenty for twenty nine two ty. Here's me say that again.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
What was that twenty of twenty nine for three h four?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
What is the guy a magician?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It was against the Panthers, Just for the record, whatever,
So the number one overall pick, say, the Bears have
to keep improving.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Just building the confidence and trust between each other and
trust in this offense between everybody, offensive line, running backs, protection,
We need to keep building, keep going. Obviously, great win,
but definitely not settled on this.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Here's the best part.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
So they go to London this weekend to face the Jags.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Well, that game's in London.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, so we just saw one coach lose in London
and get fired. I don't want to say the loser
here gets canned. But Peterson, obviously we know has really
struggled with Jacksonville heber Flues.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
I guess they won a few games, so he's probably
probably safe.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
By the way, Caleb Williams when the season ended, spent
some time. I'm told over in Europe, familiar territory come
the favorite and familiar territory. I like, Chicago's one of
my favorite bets this weekend. Really, I'm gonna have to
get Jacksonville played with their food and almost lost that game.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Here they're showing me it's minus two. I don't see
it on the screen, but bear's my two.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You let you. It's one of my favorite bets of
the week.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
He's the best quarterback in that game.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Caleb Williams unequivocally huh.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Trevor Leris has had the best game of his career
against the Colts.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
If you could take one to run your franchise tomorrow,
or what would you do? Caleb, by the way, is
basically cheat for four years, and you have to consider
that there's no And by the way, Trevor Lawrence is
expensive and has been beat up.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Well, I need to talk to Trevor Lawrence. By the way.
We didn't get to get to it yesterday because it
was so much happening.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
But Trevor Lawrence got in a little altercation with Gave Davis,
so Kerevior Lawrence finally showing some fire on the sideline
as the team was reeling there.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Gave Davis had a bad turnover.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
But if I see more out of Lawrence, I think I.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Could still take him over Caleb. I mean we like Caleb.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'm not saying, I don't like Trevor Lawrence. I think
Caleb is a spectacular talent who for four years is
inexpensive and I got no injury history. You got to
consider that. They can't just be I like the way
he throws a ball. What are you doing to my
salary cap? Are you available on Sunday? I'll take Caleb.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
My final story is DeVante Adams remains a Raider despite
all of the trade rumors. Head coach Antonio Pierce ignored
questions last week about the situation, and he's not answering
them now here he is at the podium.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I don't know. I think, as then, what is the
latest other pets in status quo? Right? Status quick traded?
Give me a sleeper?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
We thought though it was gonna be the Ravens Friday
with the whole Edgar Allan Poe thing. You got any
sleepers out there for for Davante?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I can't see how they think.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I just talked to somebody Sunday, he said, because of
his age and what he's going to cost, it's not
a first round pick, and it may not be a second.
It could be a third and then something. What's like
third and six or third in a later pick.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
So the Raiders spent at least a first round pick
on him to get him from Green Bay, might have
been two, and now they're going to get a third.
Oh that's not a good ROI huh.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Typical Raiders running a good business.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Come on, now they have new people running the shows.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
The new Day, your buddy, so let's apologies. Tom.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
He got brock Bowers first draft five hours, looking good.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Who's the quarterback? There by? Well, they gotta find one.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Okay, there's some garage sales this week and see if
they can find an old lamp wow for a discount.
H J Maack with the news.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
By the Heard Line News.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Listen to this.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Jets coach Robert Sola was escorted out of the building
by his team's director of security. His predecessor, Adam Gase
was not so apparently, this is what I'm getting via text.
Uh it was Chris Johnson. Woody Johnson sanded now in
a room and told him he was gone. He was
obviously not happy, and they had security escort him out.
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I mean, there's there's definitely some alpha. I mean he's
got he's got a lot of you know, Sala's all
guy and and that's great. By the way, I think
his his you know, the interim guy. Defensive guys usually,
you know, lead with a little bit of that. Offensive
guys tend to be kind of you know, they're the
clever guard, they're a smart guy in the building. The
offensive guy, he's the he's the guru. And the defense
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of guys, you know, the Greg Williams guys, Jim Schwartz.
There's a physical presence.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I do think Sala's undoing is the podium. And you
think that's ridiculous. I've been saying this for years, the
hat on backwards theory. There's two moments during the week
at the podium, the coach after the game and the
quarterback on Wednesday. They're different than every other interview. When
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you do that quarterback thing on Wednesday and you have
the ten million dollar bank sponsor behind you and the
owners making sure you know Century Bank is getting love,
you've got to go in there and be a grown up.
Don't start fires. Put him out. I love Baker, but
he was starting fires, not putting them out in Cleveland.
And that's why I always say, you get the hat
on forward. Be an adult. This is a big, big
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press conference, the one that counts. Nobody really judges players
after games. These are warriors, they're playing. They get emotional,
but a coach has to be very, very careful after games.
Be careful. It's the messaging. Sala could be a little sloppy.
That Cadence comment ticked off Aaron Rodgers. My guess is
Chris and Woody Johnson who flew their Gulf stream all
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the way to Malibu to meet with Aaron Rodgers and
beg him to be the quarterback. Right, Aaron had some options,
they begged him to be the quarterback. I can't believe
they just sprung this on him. Hey hey, Aaron, do
you hear the news? What look it's on television. Sala
got fired.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Not the way it works. Not the way it works.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Also something to consider, is the Jets a good job.
I want to throw this out there because when the
Chargers were open, many of you said, oh, Spanos Chargers,
I'm like left tackle a Bosa justin Herbert Great Stadium
Revenue live in Los Angeles for free agents. Chargers was
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the best opening. Okay, so I'm not saying it was
the nine. But that was a great opening. Chargers now
spend money. They got a new facility, the stadium's great
pro athletes love Los Angeles left tackle, quarterback, both on
the roster.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Like that's good. That's good.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You need some new weapons. They get rid of Keenan,
Mike Williams.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
You can draft those. They already got one kid from Georgia.
Pretty good. It's the Jets a good job. Some thoughts
on that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
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Speaker 4 (30:29):
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Speaker 1 (30:44):
By the way, I told you last week, I said
this is going to shatter records ratings this National League Playoffs.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I just got this.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
The four National League Division Series games on Fox and
FS one over three and a half million viewers, highest
average to the second game of the LDS ever Fox
and FS one. I said last week this isn't just
another I mean in the American League stuff, Yankees, Royals, whatever.
This stuff is unbelievable in the National League. And I
know you're saying, what's on Fox, Yet it happens to
be It's unbelievable. I'm a baseball casual. I'm in front
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of a TV tonight. I mean, I'm doing curls and
working out, but I'm in front of a TV tonight.
These games are insane. Still like the Phillies, I think
I like the Podres. But one more thing in the Jets.
So the roster has got really nice pieces. A star receiver,
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a star defensive tackle, best corner duo in the league,
couple of capable running backs, all Pro linebacker. I like
the roster a lot. I think they need more pieces
on the perimeter. But I like the roster. So is
it a good job. I don't think it's a great job.
Maybe it's an okay job because the roster is good,
but I get not my GM impulsive owner and a
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very prickly quarterback who's stolen A couple of coaches say
what you want under a bus, Mike McCarthy and Salah
when you're escorting Sawa out of the building and he's blindsided.
You don't think Aaron could tip him off. Aaron, this
was not Woody Johnson. Just hey, surprise, don't buy it now.
That's how it will be played by Aaron and all
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the handlers in the media. Here's how all the story
breakers work. They work with all the agents, and this
is gonna be very lebron where it's gonna be. Hey,
I don't know what happened, man, it came out of
the blue nonsense.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
The downside of the Jets is it's a great potential
year for job openings. Philly, Jacksonville, Dallas, Chicago, Cincy could
all have new coaches. Joe Burrow, dak Cayleb Williams, Trevor
Lawrence could all have Jalen Hurts, could all need a coach.
So last year there was only one great job opening Chargers.
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That's why Harbaugh took it. You've got a left tackle,
which they're hard to find. You get one great one
a year out of the draft, had a quarterback that
is hard to find, and you had sofi stadium, great
market like pro athletes like it in LA.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
That one great job.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
This year you could have six, Caleb Dak Burrow hurt
Trevor Lawrence, and they'll be a surprise firing. So it's
this is just one of those years, and it doesn't
happen very often. I mean, when Matt Lafleur got the
job with Aaron Rodgers, You're like, that's an unbelievable job opening.
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Justin Herbert and a left tackle, that's an unbelievable job opening.
That's why the Spanos is, who never spent big money
on a coach, said here's fifteen million or whatever they
paid him. And I talked to Dean Spanos about this, like,
you know they hired assistant. No, no, no, no, no, go get
Herbert a coach. So Aaron's passed his prime. That's not
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me being negative. He's passed his prime and he's not
the easiest guy, and he likes Hackett. So I would
make the art ligument if you just replace Hackett today
with this interim coach, that could be it. You could
literally be a playoff team. But they fired the wrong coach.
I think Hackett's a huge part of the issues. Garrett Wilson,
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a young receiver, called him out on a podcast last week.
I don't even think he I don't even think it
was intentional. He's just like, your offense is simple. It
doesn't we don't do anything. What I mean, it wasn't
mean spirited. It was just sort of a kid lacking
self awareness is like, yeah, we don't do anything.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
It's kind of simple. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So I think if you just replaced Hackett with this
interim coach, be like or with Sala, I think that
would have solved a lot. I mean, you watched the
Jets on TV. Very little motion. I mean they're run
blocking is it's brutal. And it's not because they don't
have talent on the offensive line. The young Penn State
kid Elijah Vera Tucker when he's healthy, they have two
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capable tackle Not only they don't have they got players
up front. They're run blocking ranks like twenty seventh in
the league.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
That's the OC, all right. I want to talk about
the Chiefs. Everybody in the league except the Chiefs, even
the good teams. It's circumstantial. Is this guy plan? What's
the weather? Is that guy plan? Not? With the Chiefs
star running back out, number one receiver out missed the
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field goal, fluky interception in the end zone. It doesn't matter.
Over four hundred yards blow out the Saints. They're missing
their top two weapons. I mean outside of Travis Kelcey Pacheco,
he Richie Rice missing them, it doesn't matter. I mean
Mahomes didn't even play great again, that doesn't matter. Everybody
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else is circumstantial. I mean, Juju Smith Schuster's career is done.
New England disappears. Oh no, last night he had seven catches,
one hundred and thirty yards Kareem Hunt. I think he's
out of the lea. Oh not, No, he's not. One
hundred and two yards in touchdown. They just make it work.
They just make everything work. Juju Smith Schuster productive in
Kansas City, disappears in New England, goes back to Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You're like, wow, he's a go to receiver.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Last night between Andy Reid and Mahomes, a's make everything work. Nothing,
he doesn't miss, circumstances don't matter. And all these other
teams in the NFL that use excuses, well, Joe Burrow's
got a terrible defense. Mahomes got to the AFC Championship
against Tom Brady first year as a starter with a
thirty first defense it was just as bad as this,
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and they got to the AFC Championship. Well, Josh Allen
lost to Fawn Digs. He didn't have a slot receiver
from Boise State. Oh really, that's why he was seven
for thirty at one point. Well, I mean the Eagles
are missing a couple receivers.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Rashid Rice, Isaiah Pacheco field goal, missed, wacky interception. In
the end, it doesn't matter. They pulverize the Saints. Everybody
in this league is played for second place. I mean,
think about this. Here's what's terrifying.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I just look this up.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Kansas City's five and zero. Mahomes is nineteenth and passer
rating sixteen. These six fix if they were only good
at quarterback, what would they be? And Spags, his defense
is historically always get better late. Like Spags the defense.
He's such a great mentor and teacher. His defenses get.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Better over time.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So, I mean, I'm watching them last night, I'm like,
every excuse in the world, we're missing this Ray. You
hear it, Miami, Well, I mean two is not available.
It's the worst offense in the league with that Nick right,
next hour, hurd higher Arkay got my top ten teams.
I tell I thought last night it felt very Warriors
for the Chiefs. It felt like, oh, it's Monday, It's
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a standalone game. Taylor Swift's in the crowd. Let's Katie
Steph Clay Draymond. Let's flex, back to back champion going
for a third. Let's Flex's show how many little how
many laterals did they do? How many misdirection clever stuff?
You didn't see any of that stuff with the Saints
direct snap Travis Kelsey. That was a Monday night football flex.
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They just playing around with teams and I'm sure Nick
Wright will come in nuanced as always, I have my
top ten teams. The Herd hierarchy coming up. Very excited.
I think last week it was announced it was the
greatest heard hierarchy in show history. I may have topped
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it and know the Jets aren't in it, Sorry about that.
Ask yourself this one minute and as reasonable as you
can be. Is the Jets a great job?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
No? Is?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Aaron Rodgers is still going to run the show, Like
who's gonna want to come in and deal with him?
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Lafleur and Rogers.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
By the way, Lafleur won with Malie Willis and gets
along with everybody in the league.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Somebody just posted and I had to confirm it.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
But Aaron Rodgers has fired two coaches in the last
six years, McCarthy and Sala in season, and he has
two playoff wins in the last six years.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Is Aaron Rodgers even good?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Like, I don't know that you'd want this job because
I don't know if Rogers is a good.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Roster is really exciting if you're dealing with your quarterback.
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
The rosters. Don't confuse really good roster with really good
job Jacksonville or the Jets. Which job is better next year?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Well think about it there, No, I mean seriously, let
me think about it. Heard hierarchy next
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All right, here we go. What do you know?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Jets fired another coach live in Los Angeles.
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It's The Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Wherever you may be and however you may be watching
or listening, Thanks for making us part of your day. Well,
Robert Sala has been fired. Reportedly he was blindsided. I
don't know how you could be blind side. You get
blindsided if you get hit by a bus. You don't
get blindsided if you get fired by the Jets, the Raiders,
the Cleveland Browns. It's just you get hired to be fired. Now,
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if you're the Miami Heat, you know, then we would
be blindside.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
We got a knife in the back from Aaron Rodgers.
I don't know if that's blindsided or not.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well, give me seven or eight minutes to kind of
sort through this. So Robert Solow this morning said he
was blindsided fired by the Jets. So and we warned
you if you go to London where Woody Johnson was
the former ambassador to the UK, it's got all his bougie
billionaire buddies in the stadium, ex Jet Sam Darnold beats you,
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something's gonna happen, and it did this morning. So in
the moment, for all you alphas out there, it feels good. Yeah,
it's like going to the batting cage when you're in
a bad mood. Take a few whacks. Somebody's got to
pay for this. Congrats, you just fired the most competent
coach on your staff. Nat Hackett is probably the worst
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OC in the league. He's still there because Aaron make
sure he's there. So this will be the fifth head coach,
head coach, interim coach in eleven years. Does it sound
like a well run business? If you owned a company,
you're on your fifth CEO in eleven years, would you
be a well run company? For the record, if they
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beat the Bills on Monday Night football, that terrible Robert
Sala coach, they would have been in first place with
way past his prime Aaron Rodgers. So ask yourself, what
is easily the best part of the Jets, the defense,
the part he coaches. Robert Sala didn't whiff on a
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quarterback in the left tackle in the first round, forcing
the organization to hand all the power to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Robert Sala.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Didn't mishandle the Hassan Reddick mess again. I know it
feels good, Jets. It felt good to beat the Patriots.
It feels good to fire the coach. It always feels
good for poorly run businesses to fire people and that
will solve it.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And go ahead, Colin.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
He didn't get along with Aaron Rodgers, Well, we told
you that a couple of weeks ago, and you push
back on your go green Reddit boards when we told
you they're not getting along. It's not rosy. So now
suddenly you're an expert on the relationship between Robert Saal
and Aaron Rodgers, and I don't think they get along well.
I don't think Robert Sala a little bit too much ego.
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He just couldn't keep things to himself. Remember when he said,
this is an inexcused absence at the podium during mini camp, Robert,
keep it to yourself. Remember when he said, Aaron Rodgers
will not play in the preseason. Aaron was mystified by
that keep it to yourself when he banged on Aaron Rodgers,
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the best cadence quarterback in the NFL, probably my entire life,
Aaron fired back coach Vanity, keep it to yourself. We
all know about offense, defense, special teams, the three phases
of football. Here's the fourth. When you have an old, rich,
prickly quarterback, monitor what you say at the podium. He
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wasn't very good at the podium. Belichick gets made fun
of for saying on to Cincinnati. But Belichick and Brady
never went to dinner in twenty years. But at the podium,
they co parented. They never embarrassed each other. They always
were on the same message. Sala and Aaron weren't well colin.
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Aaron's difficult to get along with you, I know, ask
Mike McCarthy. But that's the deal. You brought him in
to save the franchise. Don't humiliate him, don't embarrass him. Yes,
he can be sensitive. So the interim coach is jeff Aulbrick,
who was the loud guy on Hard Knocks. Former player
Kyle Shanahan tried to hire him. At one point kind
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of an alpha guy.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He could win.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean, interim coaches like substitute teachers. Everybody loves them.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
He could win.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I wouldn't doubt it. But in the end, you're on
your fifth coach, head coach or interim coach in eleven years.
This is what you are as a franchise. If your
company had the fifth CEO, would you think, oh, it
is human here. And I understand firing coaches. Andy Reid
got fired in Philadelphia sometimes, as pat Riley says, you
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need a new voice. This is a team that is
good at one thing, the one thing, solid coaches, and
they could be in first place by Monday night. Just
think about that. This is This is not a team
like what you're watching in Carolina. This is not a
team that's hopeless. The roster's pretty good. Sala had his
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side playing well. I mean, can you imagine if Hassan
Reddick would have been in the building, how good this
defense would have been. It's already good now. And here's
the other thing you know. I I've been talking about
this for years, is owners now are so rich. They
didn't I mean used to be even ten years ago.
They weren't all billionaires. A guy would have a seven
eight hundred million dollar net worth, They would give a
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coach an extra year, But the owners now are all
multi billionaires, So firing a coach, firing a firing a
staff is a rounding air. They just don't care. But
by Monday night, the Jets could be in first place.
And so so I mean, if you want to know
why Kansas City keeps winning, it's all that institutional knowledge
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and that momentum and that culture that they don't constantly disrupt.
In their division, the Chargers had Anthony Lynn Brandon's daily
Jim Harbather restarting the engine every couple of years. How
many coaches have the Raiders had since Andy Reid got there?
Broncos are on their second or third. So I am
not a fan of blowing everything up. I always ask
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the question, if you're going to fire a coach. This
is why I've kind of supported Matt Eberflus, does the
coach know his side of the ball. Sala is great
with motivation and he's great with defense. So he's gone.
And maybe the alpha, you know, the ex player, a
tough guy, maybe it works. He's got kind of a
Dan Campbell field to him. I got nothing against him,
don't know him. Kyle Shanan's a smart guy, he likes him.
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It may work, but this will not be a job
that everybody signs up for. There's gonna be potentially Trevor
Lawrence is gonna need a coach, Maybe Dack will need
a coach. Maybe Joe Burrow will need a coach. You're
going to this mess.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I'm gonna move.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
My wife, my daughter's cross country to Woody Johnson. But again, hey,
get your aluminum bat out, go to the batting cage.
It feels good today. Get those wax in. You are
a franchise am. I supposed to believe Woody Johnson didn't
talk to Aaron Rodgers, really didn't give him a heads up. Really,
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I can't believe that because Woody Johnson in the offseason
all he talked about we got to get the offense right, Well,
who runs the Aaron Rodgers. You didn't give him heads up?
You didn't say Aaron. I'm really disappointed. I mean it's Tuesday, now,
get over forty eight hours. Yeah, a lot of time.
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Aaron never got tipped on this. I mean, go ask
Mike McCarthy. Once Aaron goes on you know, his darkness retreat,
and I'm not talking about the official one in Oregon
when he turns dark. Can we talk about this all
the time. You're done as a coach. So, and I
think over this past week we showed it on the air,
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Aaron went dark during that game. He's doing a hand
motion in Nat Hackett hurry up and get the plays,
and he turned on the staff. So again, it makes
you feel good to go to the batting cage, and
it makes you feel good to pretend on your Reddit
board that Aaron didn't have anything to do with it.
Now you're what you're gonna do. It's gonna be like Lebron.
They're gonna go out. Now, Aaron's gonna distance himself from this.
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This is what Lebron does. Totally distance yourself. I had
no idea. And to remember, agents get in all the
story breakers in this business. They get their news from agents,
and so you know you're gonna find there's gonna be
a lot of positioning on this story. It caught Aaron
by total surprise. I had no idea. In his friends,
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we'll relay the message. I have a hard time believe
in Woody Johnson fires Robert Salah, the most competent coach
on his staff, the one guy who's graded his job
and didn't tip Aaron at all. I was told Aaron
and Sola were buddies. I mean, if they're buddies, you're
gonna fire my best friend at Fox. You're not gonna
call and say, yeah, something happened.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I mean, I don't buy that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
If if you're telling somebody they're valuable, and you know
they're really close with the guy and the staff, you're
not gonna tip him off.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I mean, believe what you want to believe. Believe what
you want to believe.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But the fifth coach eleven years, you could be in
first place by all right, j Mack, you're a Jet fan.
I uh now, I'm not gonna get in your way
for a couple of minutes. You tell me what you
feel right now?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
You just referenced Lebron James. When Lebron James runs off coaches.
Here's the difference. Lebron wins championships everywhere he goes. Aaron
Rodgers hasn't won anything in this league except an MVP
Award and a bunch of postseason losses since he won
the Super Bowl way back. Well, TikTok didn't even exist
when Aaron Rodgers won a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
That's how long it's been.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yet he should have all the power in New York.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Colin like, this isn't about Robert Salom We know that, right,
This isn't about Sala.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
They solidn't lose the game in London to the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Aaron did.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Aaron Rodgers was awful, but he doesn't want any accountability, right,
He's like, hey, hey, we lost. He's a losing franchise,
not my fault.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
To Aaron's credit, he acknowledged he was terrible. That's what's
the irony here. It would be one thing if Aaron
was great in London and Sala's defense got ShredIt.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Sala's defense was the first all year to completely flummex
the Vikings offense. So Sala's defense without Hassan Reddick, who
should be there, with Sauce Gardner getting hurt, with Quinn
Williams at one point getting banged up, completely shut down
Justin Jefferson, completely shut down the Minnesota Vikings, who'll probably
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drop forty five this week. And Aaron was terrible, and
Hackett keeps his job and Sala gets fired.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Well, this is what happens. What's the same.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
When you lay down with dogs, you get fleas. Woody
Johnson was desperate for relevance, you know how. The Browns
were desperate. Hey, Deshaun Watson, we'll give you the fully
guarantee contract.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Come on down.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Hasn't worked out. Jets were desperate. Longest playoff drought in
the NFL. Yeah, Aaron, please let me get on the
private jet.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Aaron, please, we need you.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Remember last week I said the Mets are going into
the playoffs. The Yankees are going to the playoffs. I
said this last week. The Giants are not.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Terrible, They're terrible.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And the Knicks have their first championship level team in
twenty years. And I said this last week in New
York it's a battle for the back page. So the
Mets are I mean, the way they win, you can't
take your eyes off them. The Yankees are disappointing you,
but they're the number one Brandon Town. Here comes the
next season and say what you want about the Giants
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is big Blue has all the trophies in that town.
They have a lot of fans. They play in the
same Stadium and that win in Seattle, people are like,
all right, they're getting all fired up. This is also
about crazy Woody, impulsive Woody not getting attention because they
lose Monday Night. The Jets once again have a great
defense and embarrassing offense.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Remember how we talked about Aaron Rodgers wanting to copy
Tom Brady. Tom Brady leaves to go to Tampa and
you know, has some beef with Arians and ends up
winning the Super Bowl. Brought his guys, Hey Grunk, come
out of retirement, Antonio Brown, come live in my house.
It all worked out for Brady. Rogers tried to do
the same thing. Hey, Matt Hackett, come on, come.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
On with me. We'll build something in New York.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Heylizard Randall Cobb.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Remember that experiment. It's all been a disaster.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I listen, I don't want to be too harsh here
on Rogers, But at this stage in his career, is
he a loser? He hasn't won games, he hasn't won
anything since those MVP awards. He's losing left and right
with coaches.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
With well there, MVP awards are very big in baseball.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Nobody cares in the NFL, nobody cares. It's all about
winning on Sunday. This is not a league that romanticizes itself.
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You can't listen to a baseball discussion in New York.
Somebody will call a show and bring up Mickey Mannle.
When's the last time you listen to sports radio in
America and somebody brought up Hugh mcklehaney the running back.
We don't even bring up Barry Sanders. So baseball, it's history,
its lore is very much about the rear view mirror.
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Football's the windshield? What have you done Sunday? So ask
what is Robert solid Dunn as of this moment, arguably
the best defense in the league. Shut down Minnesota, best
coach on the staff, and he's out. And again, it
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feels good when your team sucks. You can't fire the players,
so it feels good for a fan. It's that whole thing.
I got to release all this anger intention. Everybody in
New York wfan today will be yeah, yet you just
lost the best coach on your staff. Now, is he
a great head coach? Certainly that's debatable. I think there
was too much vanity. I mean, he's a great looking guy,
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he's got good energy, it's kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It's New York.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
He probably walks into restaurants in New York, and you know,
he's a great looking guy. I get it, and I
thought he's he was really very weak at the podium. Again,
if he said this stuff in I mean, if he
said this stuff in Carolina or Seattle, it just wouldn't
make it wouldn't make the news. But if Aaron Rodgers
calls you out in Green Bay, Dallas, New York, San Francisco,
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big brands, big cities, that's a whole different ballgame. So
that's why when the Jets hire these young coaches, Adam Gaze,
who was peculiar, or Robert Sala, you got the vanity
and kind of the alpha stuff, there is something to
be said. I mean, Sean mcvay's great at this, the
master of talking and not saying a ton. Derek Jeter
the master. Eli Manning the master, I mean literally, Eli
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Manning and Derek Jeter are the best I've ever seen.
They talk a lot and never say anything.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
In New York.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
They never throw a team at under the bus. We
know Jeter and Arod had their issues, never ever a problem. Belichick,
Brady didn't get along, didn't go to dinner. In twenty years.
They never threw each under the bus. The messaging was
always the same. I always had this theory about Brady.
He did this Monday morning Am radio hit in Boston.
Obviously he didn't need the money. It was Brady starting
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the messaging with Belichick for the week. Here's the message
for the week. That's what Brady did that. Big Ben
did this for years in Pittsburgh. Where he would you
start the message for the week. So Brady sometimes was
furious with Belichick. He wasn't being respected. We saw that
at the very end of the documentary. But the messaging
was good. Sla and Era's messaging was terrible. It was terrible.
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The guys sit down for ten minutes every Tuesday and
Thursday and talk and say where are we on the
stand and just call it the same page, have a
little thing, bring a pr guy in. What's the same page?
You say this, I'll say that takes ten minutes. That
was part of his undoing.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Michael Irvin yesterday nailed it when he said I didn't
understand how the quarterback and the coach were going up
to hug after that big moment and Rogers was like
settle down, like keeping at arms length. The way Irvin
talked about that we should have seen this was coming up.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, when that happened, remember that video. We probably have
it in the back. When that video happened. I defended
Aaron on this. I said, dude, it's the second quarter,
chill out and that like the podium stuff with sala Is.
The thing I think you can criticize saula on is
that he was sometimes he was more like buddy than coach.
That's the one thing I will defend Aaron on the podium. Dude,
you're the grown up in the room. Do not throw
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Aaron under a bus. He's prickly, that's who he is.
And we've all you know, listened if if you take
over a company and you've got a student or you
got an employee, that's a little prickly, but they're important.
You just have to know that going in Sala new
going in Aaron had a history. I'm not gonna blame
Aaron for that. Aaron is being authentic to who Aaron is.
Go read the book by Ian O'Connor. This is who
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Aaron is and he now runs the franchise. He's a
quarterback and the best player on your team or one
of the top four or five.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You got to do it better.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So Sala, that's where Sola, to me, gets criticism. It's
not on the coaching, That's not what it is. It's
really on his inability as a young, good looking guy
with a lot of testosterone to sometimes take one for
the team, act like a grown up. That I think
it's fair to criticize him. But can he coach? Kyle
Shanahan loved him? Okay, that defense is for real. Nobody
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slows down the Vikings and they shut him down with
Sauce Gardner on the pine, So don't tell me he
can't coach.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah, he'll be a defensive coordinator somewhere in this tomorrow,
probably tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
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Speaker 1 (18:15):
By the way, I'll just throw this out there, Robert
Solid fired as the Jets head coach. It's not gonna
happen now, but both Mike Rabel and Bill Belichick are available.
Vrabel would be my choice. He could deal with some
of the Aaron Rodgers drama. He's a tough guy. I
know Mike totally respect Mike. Vrabel would be my choice
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for the New York Jets. It's not gonna happen now.
They're gonna go with an interim guy who interim coaches
are substitute teachers.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Everybody loves him.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I'm a Vrabel guy, and with average quarterback play, he
became a number one seed. He's smart, respected, He will
get Aaron's respect. They need to get the quarterback of
the future. But you'll have Aaron for like next year
and maybe another year, and you know, I mean, who
knows how that goes. But that would be my number
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one choice. My number two choice would be Belichick as
long as Bill gets no say in personnel. Bill Butcher
the last six drafts for the Patriots, his GM at
the time up there left went to Houston, and they've
been wizards in the draft. And that's because Bill would
not let his GM in New England clearly have the
final say. And I was told that three or four
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years ago that in mid January, Bill would kind of say, Okay,
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So Belichick the coach I love.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I think Vrabel has a good eye for personnel, and
I think he's a really good coach. I'm sure he
could work with Joe Douglas. By the way, I don't
think Joe Douglas is a terrible general manager, but he
whiffed on a left tackle, Hassan Reddick, and a quarterback.
Those are three big whiffs. I think he's very capable
because I like the Jets roster. I think they have
the best corner duo, an All Pro linebacker Quinn Williams.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
They got players.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I even like the Penn State off defensive tackle. He's
not quite there yet, but I think he's talented. I
like the roster, so Vrabel would be my guy.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
J Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This
is the herd Line News. We're gonna have a ton
on the Jets.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Obviously today there's a we're waiting for stuff to trickle out,
but like some of the stuff that he didn't even
get to address the team Jordan Chultzen, Pete Schrager a
guy for reporting stuff. But it's still trickling out. So
we'll get back to the Jets. But let's start here with.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
The Niners column forty nine ers no.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Strangers, to slow starts, right, So they were five and
zero last year, but before that they were four and
four going into the bye week, and then in twenty
twenty one they started three and five. All three years,
San Franz still made the NFC Championship Game. Kyle Shanahan
is not banking on that, saying I've seen teams start
zero to.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Four and get there before, so there's lots.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Of things that go into it. But I think every
year is different. We got to write our own story
and it has nothing to do with the other years.
Niners have a huge game and this is the biggest
Thursday night game of the season since the opener. Right,
Chiefs Ravens Niner, Seahawks Niners favored by three.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And a half. I don't know, Colin.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I think the Niners are the side here, but a
lot of underlying issues with San Francisco right now.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, I think the Niners are the side as well.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Seahawks played so poorly against the Giants, but the Giants
deserve credit because they dominated the line of scrimmage, so
it's easy to say, well, the Seahawks played poorly. No,
the Giants made the Seahawks played poorly. If you watch
that game. The score is not reflective of what I saw.
I saw Daniel Jones in an offense running a ball
and dominating the trenches. So I think San Francisco wins.
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But they do have problems. And once again, if you
take Christian McCaffrey the magic in this offense, you can
have everything else. Trent Williams left tackle, Christian McCaffrey. If
they don't play, they don't win. Even if they've got Kittle,
Fred Warner, Deebo, they don't win.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Clearly, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I saw stat Colin they were number one in the
red zone last year in scoring.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Now they're thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yes, that's all mccaffree, stagger the same team. It's all McCaffrey.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
It's like, I mean, the teams that are thirty one
and thirty two are Miami and New England. Miami with
backup quarterbacks, New England as a joke, But why are
the Niners down there play calling suspect? However, we have
odds to win the Super Bowl. This may surprise you.
Currently at Chiefs are obviously favored. Then it's the Ravens,
then it's the forty nine.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Well that's this.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I mean after last night, is there any question that
Kansas City is easily the best team in the league.
They literally were showing off on Monday night football. Taylor
Swift shows up, Wallah, Travis Kelsey's great. They were doing
trick plays and clever stuff all night. That was you
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know what that was last night? That was Kad, Steph
Clay Draymond in their prime. When you get that big
standalone Sunday game and they would show off and all
of a sudden, Steph Curris got a little more razzle
to his dazzle. That's what can't just that he did
last night. She's in town, Taylor Swift, Monday night football,
standalone game and the Chiefs flexed for all of us.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
That being said, it's early, We're not even a third
of the way through the season.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
The Niners probably can turn it around, but I don't.
I just don't.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I don't know who the best team in the NFC
is right now. And honestly, I keep coming back to
your Washington Commanders.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I'm not even joking.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
After five games, all right, Next up, Colin, let's go
to your favorite quarterback in the NFC, Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
That is best games of Pro getting better every game
twenty for twenty nine two ty. Here's me say that again.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
What was that twenty of twenty nine for three h four?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
What is the guy a magician?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It was against the Panthers, Just for the record, whatever,
So the number one overall pick, say, the Bears have
to keep improving.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Just building the confidence and trust between each other and
trust in this offense between everybody, offensive line, running backs, protection,
We need to keep building, keep going. Obviously, great win,
but definitely not settled on this.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Here's the best part.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
So they go to London this weekend to face the Jags.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Well, that game's in London.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, so we just saw one coach lose in London
and get fired. I don't want to say the loser
here gets canned. But Peterson, obviously we know has really
struggled with Jacksonville heber Flues.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
I guess they won a few games, so he's probably
probably safe.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
By the way, Caleb Williams when the season ended, spent
some time. I'm told over in Europe, familiar territory come
the favorite and familiar territory. I like, Chicago's one of
my favorite bets this weekend. Really, I'm gonna have to
get Jacksonville played with their food and almost lost that game.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Here they're showing me it's minus two. I don't see
it on the screen, but bear's my two.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You let you. It's one of my favorite bets of
the week.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
He's the best quarterback in that game.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Caleb Williams unequivocally huh.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Trevor Leris has had the best game of his career
against the Colts.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
If you could take one to run your franchise tomorrow,
or what would you do? Caleb, by the way, is
basically cheat for four years, and you have to consider
that there's no And by the way, Trevor Lawrence is
expensive and has been beat up.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Well, I need to talk to Trevor Lawrence. By the way.
We didn't get to get to it yesterday because it
was so much happening.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
But Trevor Lawrence got in a little altercation with Gave Davis,
so Kerevior Lawrence finally showing some fire on the sideline
as the team was reeling there.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Gave Davis had a bad turnover.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
But if I see more out of Lawrence, I think I.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Could still take him over Caleb. I mean we like Caleb.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'm not saying, I don't like Trevor Lawrence. I think
Caleb is a spectacular talent who for four years is
inexpensive and I got no injury history. You got to
consider that. They can't just be I like the way
he throws a ball. What are you doing to my
salary cap? Are you available on Sunday? I'll take Caleb.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
My final story is DeVante Adams remains a Raider despite
all of the trade rumors. Head coach Antonio Pierce ignored
questions last week about the situation, and he's not answering
them now here he is at the podium.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I don't know. I think, as then, what is the
latest other pets in status quo? Right? Status quick traded?
Give me a sleeper?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
We thought though it was gonna be the Ravens Friday
with the whole Edgar Allan Poe thing. You got any
sleepers out there for for Davante?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I can't see how they think.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I just talked to somebody Sunday, he said, because of
his age and what he's going to cost, it's not
a first round pick, and it may not be a second.
It could be a third and then something. What's like
third and six or third in a later pick.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
So the Raiders spent at least a first round pick
on him to get him from Green Bay, might have
been two, and now they're going to get a third.
Oh that's not a good ROI huh.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Typical Raiders running a good business.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Come on, now they have new people running the shows.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
The new Day, your buddy, so let's apologies. Tom.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
He got brock Bowers first draft five hours, looking good.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Who's the quarterback? There by? Well, they gotta find one.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Okay, there's some garage sales this week and see if
they can find an old lamp wow for a discount.
H J Maack with the news.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
By the Heard Line News.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Listen to this.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Jets coach Robert Sola was escorted out of the building
by his team's director of security. His predecessor, Adam Gase
was not so apparently, this is what I'm getting via text.
Uh it was Chris Johnson. Woody Johnson sanded now in
a room and told him he was gone. He was
obviously not happy, and they had security escort him out.
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I mean, there's there's definitely some alpha. I mean he's
got he's got a lot of you know, Sala's all
guy and and that's great. By the way, I think
his his you know, the interim guy. Defensive guys usually,
you know, lead with a little bit of that. Offensive
guys tend to be kind of you know, they're the
clever guard, they're a smart guy in the building. The
offensive guy, he's the he's the guru. And the defense
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of guys, you know, the Greg Williams guys, Jim Schwartz.
There's a physical presence.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I do think Sala's undoing is the podium. And you
think that's ridiculous. I've been saying this for years, the
hat on backwards theory. There's two moments during the week
at the podium, the coach after the game and the
quarterback on Wednesday. They're different than every other interview. When
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you do that quarterback thing on Wednesday and you have
the ten million dollar bank sponsor behind you and the
owners making sure you know Century Bank is getting love,
you've got to go in there and be a grown up.
Don't start fires. Put him out. I love Baker, but
he was starting fires, not putting them out in Cleveland.
And that's why I always say, you get the hat
on forward. Be an adult. This is a big, big
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press conference, the one that counts. Nobody really judges players
after games. These are warriors, they're playing. They get emotional,
but a coach has to be very, very careful after games.
Be careful. It's the messaging. Sala could be a little sloppy.
That Cadence comment ticked off Aaron Rodgers. My guess is
Chris and Woody Johnson who flew their Gulf stream all
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the way to Malibu to meet with Aaron Rodgers and
beg him to be the quarterback. Right, Aaron had some options,
they begged him to be the quarterback. I can't believe
they just sprung this on him. Hey hey, Aaron, do
you hear the news? What look it's on television. Sala
got fired.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Not the way it works. Not the way it works.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Also something to consider, is the Jets a good job.
I want to throw this out there because when the
Chargers were open, many of you said, oh, Spanos Chargers,
I'm like left tackle a Bosa justin Herbert Great Stadium
Revenue live in Los Angeles for free agents. Chargers was
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the best opening. Okay, so I'm not saying it was
the nine. But that was a great opening. Chargers now
spend money. They got a new facility, the stadium's great
pro athletes love Los Angeles left tackle, quarterback, both on
the roster.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Like that's good. That's good.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You need some new weapons. They get rid of Keenan,
Mike Williams.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
You can draft those. They already got one kid from Georgia.
Pretty good. It's the Jets a good job. Some thoughts
on that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
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Speaker 4 (30:29):
Today, the NLDS is on FS one with a pair
of pivotal game threes as both series are tied at
one game. Apiece Coverage begins at four pm Eastern as
the Phillies take on the Mets, followed by Dodgers padres
only on FS one and the Fox Sports App.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
By the way, I told you last week, I said
this is going to shatter records ratings this National League Playoffs.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I just got this.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
The four National League Division Series games on Fox and
FS one over three and a half million viewers, highest
average to the second game of the LDS ever Fox
and FS one. I said last week this isn't just
another I mean in the American League stuff, Yankees, Royals, whatever.
This stuff is unbelievable in the National League. And I
know you're saying, what's on Fox, Yet it happens to
be It's unbelievable. I'm a baseball casual. I'm in front
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of a TV tonight. I mean, I'm doing curls and
working out, but I'm in front of a TV tonight.
These games are insane. Still like the Phillies, I think
I like the Podres. But one more thing in the Jets.
So the roster has got really nice pieces. A star receiver,
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a star defensive tackle, best corner duo in the league,
couple of capable running backs, all Pro linebacker. I like
the roster a lot. I think they need more pieces
on the perimeter. But I like the roster. So is
it a good job. I don't think it's a great job.
Maybe it's an okay job because the roster is good,
but I get not my GM impulsive owner and a
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very prickly quarterback who's stolen A couple of coaches say
what you want under a bus, Mike McCarthy and Salah
when you're escorting Sawa out of the building and he's blindsided.
You don't think Aaron could tip him off. Aaron, this
was not Woody Johnson. Just hey, surprise, don't buy it now.
That's how it will be played by Aaron and all
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the handlers in the media. Here's how all the story
breakers work. They work with all the agents, and this
is gonna be very lebron where it's gonna be. Hey,
I don't know what happened, man, it came out of
the blue nonsense.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
The downside of the Jets is it's a great potential
year for job openings. Philly, Jacksonville, Dallas, Chicago, Cincy could
all have new coaches. Joe Burrow, dak Cayleb Williams, Trevor
Lawrence could all have Jalen Hurts, could all need a coach.
So last year there was only one great job opening Chargers.
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That's why Harbaugh took it. You've got a left tackle,
which they're hard to find. You get one great one
a year out of the draft, had a quarterback that
is hard to find, and you had sofi stadium, great
market like pro athletes like it in LA.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
That one great job.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
This year you could have six, Caleb Dak Burrow hurt
Trevor Lawrence, and they'll be a surprise firing. So it's
this is just one of those years, and it doesn't
happen very often. I mean, when Matt Lafleur got the
job with Aaron Rodgers, You're like, that's an unbelievable job opening.
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Justin Herbert and a left tackle, that's an unbelievable job opening.
That's why the Spanos is, who never spent big money
on a coach, said here's fifteen million or whatever they
paid him. And I talked to Dean Spanos about this, like,
you know they hired assistant. No, no, no, no, no, go get
Herbert a coach. So Aaron's passed his prime. That's not
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me being negative. He's passed his prime and he's not
the easiest guy, and he likes Hackett. So I would
make the art ligument if you just replace Hackett today
with this interim coach, that could be it. You could
literally be a playoff team. But they fired the wrong coach.
I think Hackett's a huge part of the issues. Garrett Wilson,
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a young receiver, called him out on a podcast last week.
I don't even think he I don't even think it
was intentional. He's just like, your offense is simple. It
doesn't we don't do anything. What I mean, it wasn't
mean spirited. It was just sort of a kid lacking
self awareness is like, yeah, we don't do anything.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
It's kind of simple. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So I think if you just replaced Hackett with this
interim coach, be like or with Sala, I think that
would have solved a lot. I mean, you watched the
Jets on TV. Very little motion. I mean they're run
blocking is it's brutal. And it's not because they don't
have talent on the offensive line. The young Penn State
kid Elijah Vera Tucker when he's healthy, they have two
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capable tackle Not only they don't have they got players
up front. They're run blocking ranks like twenty seventh in
the league.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
That's the OC, all right. I want to talk about
the Chiefs. Everybody in the league except the Chiefs, even
the good teams. It's circumstantial. Is this guy plan? What's
the weather? Is that guy plan? Not? With the Chiefs
star running back out, number one receiver out missed the
(35:28):
field goal, fluky interception in the end zone. It doesn't matter.
Over four hundred yards blow out the Saints. They're missing
their top two weapons. I mean outside of Travis Kelcey Pacheco,
he Richie Rice missing them, it doesn't matter. I mean
Mahomes didn't even play great again, that doesn't matter. Everybody
(35:49):
else is circumstantial. I mean, Juju Smith Schuster's career is done.
New England disappears. Oh no, last night he had seven catches,
one hundred and thirty yards Kareem Hunt. I think he's
out of the lea. Oh not, No, he's not. One
hundred and two yards in touchdown. They just make it work.
They just make everything work. Juju Smith Schuster productive in
Kansas City, disappears in New England, goes back to Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You're like, wow, he's a go to receiver.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Last night between Andy Reid and Mahomes, a's make everything work. Nothing,
he doesn't miss, circumstances don't matter. And all these other
teams in the NFL that use excuses, well, Joe Burrow's
got a terrible defense. Mahomes got to the AFC Championship
against Tom Brady first year as a starter with a
thirty first defense it was just as bad as this,
(36:34):
and they got to the AFC Championship. Well, Josh Allen
lost to Fawn Digs. He didn't have a slot receiver
from Boise State. Oh really, that's why he was seven
for thirty at one point. Well, I mean the Eagles
are missing a couple receivers.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Rashid Rice, Isaiah Pacheco field goal, missed, wacky interception. In
the end, it doesn't matter. They pulverize the Saints. Everybody
in this league is played for second place. I mean,
think about this. Here's what's terrifying.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I just look this up.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Kansas City's five and zero. Mahomes is nineteenth and passer
rating sixteen. These six fix if they were only good
at quarterback, what would they be? And Spags, his defense
is historically always get better late. Like Spags the defense.
He's such a great mentor and teacher. His defenses get.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Better over time.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So, I mean, I'm watching them last night, I'm like,
every excuse in the world, we're missing this Ray. You
hear it, Miami, Well, I mean two is not available.
It's the worst offense in the league with that Nick right,
next hour, hurd higher Arkay got my top ten teams.
I tell I thought last night it felt very Warriors
for the Chiefs. It felt like, oh, it's Monday, It's
(37:53):
a standalone game. Taylor Swift's in the crowd. Let's Katie
Steph Clay Draymond. Let's flex, back to back champion going
for a third. Let's Flex's show how many little how
many laterals did they do? How many misdirection clever stuff?
You didn't see any of that stuff with the Saints
direct snap Travis Kelsey. That was a Monday night football flex.
(38:20):
They just playing around with teams and I'm sure Nick
Wright will come in nuanced as always, I have my
top ten teams. The Herd hierarchy coming up. Very excited.
I think last week it was announced it was the
greatest heard hierarchy in show history. I may have topped
(38:42):
it and know the Jets aren't in it, Sorry about that.
Ask yourself this one minute and as reasonable as you
can be. Is the Jets a great job?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
No? Is?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Aaron Rodgers is still going to run the show, Like
who's gonna want to come in and deal with him?
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Lafleur and Rogers.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
By the way, Lafleur won with Malie Willis and gets
along with everybody in the league.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Somebody just posted and I had to confirm it.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
But Aaron Rodgers has fired two coaches in the last
six years, McCarthy and Sala in season, and he has
two playoff wins in the last six years.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Is Aaron Rodgers even good?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Like, I don't know that you'd want this job because
I don't know if Rogers is a good.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Roster is really exciting if you're dealing with your quarterback.
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
The rosters. Don't confuse really good roster with really good
job Jacksonville or the Jets. Which job is better next year?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Well think about it there, No, I mean seriously, let
me think about it. Heard hierarchy next
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