April 24, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin has bad news for the Warriors after Jimmy Butler's injury and why they will struggle against the Rockets if Butler misses extended time
More thoughts on why Shedeur Sanders is getting a lot of criticism before the NFL Draft
The Celtics seem to be doing fine without Jayson Tatum
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
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right j Max. We'll start with the Warriors, because for
a couple of reasons, the Sherry series may have shifted
last night app so we thought Houston would win. We
said they couldn't play worse. Take Houston yesterday on the
show Easy Winner, Take the Rockets. They're gonna win. But
it's how they won. So the NBA officials, the refs
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have decided throughout the playoffs and especially in this series,
we're gonna let them play. Now that's not a huge surprise.
We talk about this on a regular basis. Reffs let
them play in the postseason. That's a big edge, however,
to Houston because they really let them play last night.
They're longer, deeper, stronger, more physical, and once Jimmy Butler
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got hurt, well, the Warriors were a sub five hundred
team before Jimmy Butler. So Steph Curry and a bunch
of role players not gonna work. And it's not just
Jimmy Butler's scoring or his playmaking. It's the reality is
they can just go after Steph Curry. All you have
to do is rough him up, grab him, hold him.
There's nobody else that can score consistently. So it makes
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the Warriors a completely limited team. It's not just the
scoring and playmaking, the physicality of Jimmy Butler. The Warriors,
we know this. They're not deep. I said before the series.
They're not going to play Jonathan Kaminga. They're small and
not athletic enough. And you take Jimmy Butler out, he's
kind of the enforcer on that team. With Draymond Green,
the difference is he'd take some of the scoring pressure
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off Curry. So right now, the NBA officials are swallowing
the wishle whistles. It is the lowest free throw rate
in NBA playoff history. Now, if you're the Celtics or
the Rockets or the Calves Oklahoma City and you're deep,
that's okay. You can miss a star. Jason Tatum a
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great players out Celtics, don't miss a beat. Jimmy Butler
out of the thin small Warriors is a series changer.
So and I again we said this before Jimmy Butler.
It's just Curry and role players. So we have to
wait for the test results. But if they're saying Butler's
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out for the next two games, the series is over.
Now I full disclosed. I picked the Rockets anyway. I
thought it was a bit of a cheap shot by
a men Thompson who has a reputation. He did this
to Jannis, he did this to Tyler hero his reputation
precedes him. This is what he does, a very athletic,
physical player. He was going after Butler. And by the way,
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Draymond gets guys worked up. But it's not like you know,
when people used to criticize Draymond Green. Draymond Green had
a reputation and he still does before he gets into
the arena. Aman Thompson is their physical, tough guy. He's
the guy that's gonna make things. He's gonna play that line.
I thought it was a little cheap. I would have
no problem if he got suspended for a game in
the series. However long Jimmy Butler's out year out, which
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is probably gonna be a game. But the NBA has
decided we're gonna let everybody play, and so that means
if Butler's not there, the Warriors have been reduced to
Steph skirt. Steph Curry scores forty points or we lose. Now,
Jalen Green's not gonna shoot like that on most nights.
He is a hit and miss player. You could look
at his last eight games. You don't know what you're
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geting with Jayalen Green. He had a great performance that
could go down to nine points in his next outing.
So again, Houston came in with their coach, former Celtics coach.
We're going to get after him physically. They're not going
to come into our house and go up too. Oh.
So there was an absolute game planned by aman Thompson
Jalen Green. It was be hyper aggressive. We have a
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deeper roster, and it worked. It doesn't affect the Celtics
who played without Jason Tatum. You can't take Butler out
of the Warriors, and the series is over and here's
Steve Kerr.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
And you just respond and react with what you have
to do in terms of, you know, making a sub
and trying to think about new substitution patterns, who you
want to pair together, all that kind of stuff. So
obviously feel terrible for Jimmy. Hopefully he's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You know, it's funny. It's not like what Amn Thompson did.
I'm all worked up about. I mean, I spent a
lot of my years watching Kurt Rambis get tackled by
the Pistons. If the seventies and eighties basketball was allowed today,
you'd have fans rushing on the court. But I do
think the NBA has always protected stars, just like the
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NFL change rules to protect stars. This to me is
one where I would have no problem saying, as long
as Butler's out, you're out. It wouldn't bother me at all.
Probably not gonna happen, But remember leagues do this. It's
not hard to figure out. In the NFL rules you
can't touch the quarterback. Well, the NBA has always been
a star driven league, even more than the NFL, So
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I think Butler maybe misses a game, but that's again,
they're not gonna win because you just only have one
outlet after staff and the Rockets have figured it out
without Butler on the floor clutch and grab, Curry push grab,
and the refs are letting it go. So it's a
really disadvantage for the Warriors. The way the officials are
letting the Rockets a much deeper team play. It's surprising
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the Rockets were so ill qupt in Game one. Here's
imay Aduka on the rockets chippy play.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
That's who we are, you know, that's our identity for
the most part. So like I said, from you know,
start of the playoffs, we don't have to flip the
switch and try to get tougher, try to get more aggressive.
That's kind of what we built everything on, and so
that carries over the playoffs. We understand that if they
let us play both teams, it's in our favor for
the most part. Golden State as well as physical you
just have to play through it. You can't expect it
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on one end and cry about it on the other
and so if it gets chippy we've seen over the
last two years, you know that works in our favor
for the most part, gets us amped up. And but
when you have a lead up twenty and things start
to happen, you understand why, and that's kind of the
last resort.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Okay, So the way the league is officiating the playoffs,
they're letting even more go than I suspected, big advantage Celtics, Calves,
OKC in Houston, really deep athletic teams. Okay, So there's
a story that Shahor Sanders is really slipping in the draft,
could go twenty one to the Steelers. I will, by
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the way, in forty five minutes, fifty minutes, I will
have my final mock draft. This is not what I
would do. This is what I believe happens in the
first round of the draft, first fifteen pick. So forty
five minutes from now, my prediction on what I think
the first fifteen picks will look like. So this is
a very very weak draft. So if Schadur Sanders is
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falling in the draft, you know, it's pretty obvious that
Shadur Sanders is not lighting the world up. There's also
team Act. The receiver out of Arizona I am told,
is also falling in the draft for separate reasons. But
here's my thing about Shaudur sliding to Pittsburgh. I would
rather go to Pittsburgh at twenty one than Cleveland or
the Giants with a second or third pick. I really
would ownership stability, roster composition, and a patient franchise. The
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Steelers have DK Metcalf, They'll trade the other receiver. They
have a very good tight end, Arthur Smith, more than
capable at oc. It's a very good roster. I'd rather
go there. Dan Marino in the draft to Hall of
Fame coach Don Shula. Do you realize that the Jets
could have picked him with Joe Walton as a head
coach earlier? Do you think he would have ended up
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having Dan Marino's career. Patrick Mahomes went tenth that year.
If he would have gone second, he would have gone
to the Chicago Bears. Andy Reid was not coaching the
Chicago Bears. You start looking at when Aaron Rodgers fell
to Green Bay. You know where he could have gone.
Mike Tice Minnesota or Mike Nolan, who wore a suit
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on the sidelines for San Francisco. Would that have been better?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
So?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I think with the current NIL model, the fact that
your dad's de On Sanders, you were making seven figures
in college play the long game, I would rather go
down ten draft picks twelve draft picks to a better franchise.
Dan Marino Aaron Rodgers are the two legendary drops in
the first round. Let me ask yourself this jan Love.
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The Packers moved up for Jordan Love. That worked out
pretty well for him, didn't it. If you could go
to the Green Bay Packers or twenty three other teams
in the NFL, who would you choose?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
So?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think we talked about this where you land matters Now.
I have my issues with the Steelers, Mike Tomlin, defensive coach,
defensive culture. If they have a bad year, I think
they could. You know, Mike Tomlin's not going to be
around forever so and he'll get a TV job and
a heartbeat. But with the NIL model and college kids
coming out with some money in the bank and your
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dad's Dean Sanders, I would have I would much rather
go to a stable ownership group. All this short term money,
it doesn't matter as much anymore, at least for quarterbacks.
I mean, at these top twenty football programs, everybody's getting money.
Tight end are getting money, right, Tackles are getting money.
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Safeties are getting money in college football. So the advantage
to that is not only short term for the player
being able to afford a nice car or something, but
you can take a deep breath and not be emotionally
tight in the knots if you drop. Because if he
went to Cleveland or New York, Shador Sanders has to
play immediately, and he is the savior. He's not the
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savior in Pittsburgh. That's not what he would be. He
would be the starting quarterback. The franchise doesn't need saving.
It needs improvement, but it doesn't need saving. Cleveland needs saving.
The Giants need everything, including saving. So that's where we
are today. Land Zerline was on yesterday, worked for NFL
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dot Com cover the NFL for twenty years. Talked about
just this quarterback class not very good compared to last year's.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
From a comparison, it's terrible. It's not even close to
last year's. Obviously, Schador's going to go into first this year.
He would have gone maybe in the second round last year,
maybe even in the third round, because teams don't like
they don't like drafting players in the second round. There's
only been six quarterbacks drafted in the second round over
the last ten years, thirty five first rounders and fourteen
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third rounders. So it's like that's a line of demarcation.
You're either a starter or you're a backup.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So the odds continued to suggest that Shadeur Sanders will
slide down to twenty one and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Again,
I don't think it's the worst thing in the world.
The two most famous slides, Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers
went to good coaches and stability, and now Shadur comes out.
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Dad's a legend. Nil money. So what I mean there
are guys now in college staying in college for another year.
We're seeing this. I mean, Carson Beck's like, I could
get drafted in the sixth round. I can go to
Miami and make ten million dollars. So I just I
think the nil has changed it. It's so what you drop,
what you don't want to do is go to a
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franchise that is a mess. And we all know about
eight to ten of these franchises are a mess. All right,
There's about eight greatly well run franchises, another six to
seven who are mostly on a consistent basis solid. Then
there's fifteen messes. J Mack, I'm gonna do in forty
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five minutes. My am a mock draft.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Colin. Wait, wait, the Steelers are not a mess. A
franchise that hasn't known offense for the last I don't
know six.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Years, that's not a mess.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
The most expensive defense or one of the most expensive
defensive rosters in the league. Yes, haven't won a playoff
game in forever.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
They need it.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
They're not a mess.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
No, they need adjustments. A mess has been the Titans
a mess before.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
C J. Stroud Network playoff wins in the last five
years in the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But the Steelers draft better, better roster composition, more stability
and ownership, front office coaching. Yeah, I mean it's again,
Pittsburgh has underachieved relative to their division. I'm not denying that.
But they do get to the playoffs. That's not a mess.
So that's the bar just getting well, No, you're not
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a mess if you're getting to the playoffs. Now, now,
I mean they win more. Think about this they win
more regularly than the Niners. Go look at even with
Kyle shannonthan Niners good year bad. You're good year bad,
You're good year bad year. The Rams win almost every year.
The Steelers win almost every year. They do win every
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year in the regular season. So my take is the
Steelers aren't a mess. They're just not again relative to
the top teams in the league. They are still too
defensive minded.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
And I love this whole Shadur narrative. Let's just remember
everybody the league has no clue how to draft quarterbacks.
Let's just get that out there first and foremost. Okay,
Trey Lance going second, Zach Wilson's second, Patrick Mahone's sliding
behind Mitch Trubisky. The league doesn't know what they're doing
with quarterbacks. Shador may be good. He could Drew Brees.
I think accurate as hell.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, No, I think Shadur is going to be a
nice NFL quarterback. I do good B plus quarterback in
the league, I do. I think he's more talented. I
think he's absolutely more talented than Dak Prescott. I think
he's more talented than brock Perty. I think he's more
talented than JJ McCarthy, who everybody loved last year. I
think he's more talented. So I think he's a talented kid.
I don't think he's a star, and I don't think
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he's an a prospect.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
He's got some growing up to do. But is Kyler
Murray a star? He's got growing up to do. He
hasn't want anything. I don't know if Kyler Murray's that.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I think if you ask most GMS today Kyler Murray,
all things considered, including his contractor Shauduur, you'd take Shaduur. Yeah, yeah,
because you know, I mean that's part of it. So again,
how about this.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Can Shadeur be a top fifteen quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yes, with the right landing spot, yes, I believe so
top ten probably not.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
There were moments where Kirk Cousins was a top ten
quarterback in the league, fringe top ten, but top ten.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Dak Prescott mid round quarterback, he was a top ten guy.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah. Again when he the right components to the roster. Yes,
I think if Sugaro goes to the right play, I mean,
the Steelers star receiver, really good tight end. They lost
their left tackle a Najie Harris, But it's a Great
running Back Draft. So they're drafting another running back?
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Which star receiver were talking about? The one who unfollowed
the Steelers on Instagram this week? Oh Pickens, it never stops.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
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Speaker 1 (15:33):
All right, you're no entering the Noble Zone sponsored by
Credible Great Rage, none of the bull. So you know
how I think about Jason Tatum. I think he's very good,
top seven eight player in the NBA. I don't think
he's the face of the league. But we are so
conditioned because the NBA is a star driven league. We
are so conditioned the fans the media that if a
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team's good, it's got to be their star. But the
star of the Celtics is the GM Brand Stevens, and
before him, it was Danny Inge. So the Celtics won
a playoff game last night. They're now sixteen and three
without Jason Tatum, and they score more, they have a
higher net rating, they shoot better without Jason Tatum. That
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is not a criticism. The MVP of the Celtics is
their last two general managers. It is a roster so
deep that virtually everybody's replaceable. When Washington and Joe Gibbs
were winning Super Bowls, three of them with three different quarterbacks,
it won't about the quarterback. It just usually is for
everybody else to win Super Bowls. Okay, the Celtics are
not just a really good basketball team. They're a great company, culture, product,
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depth of employee talent. That's what they are. So we're
all conditioned to say, oh, it's about the star. I mean,
Peyton Pritchard is a classic Celtic. They drafted him like
five years ago with a twenty six pick. They develop them,
bring them along slowly. Now they got him into a
new contract. He's six men end of the year. So
this team is This team statistically, over the long run,
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would not be better than without Jason Tatum, But in
short brief stints without Jason Tatum, the stats tell you
they're just as good, if not better, and more efficient.
The ball moves a little better in all basketball when
the superstars off the floor. Now, in the case of
a Jokic, the Nuggets can't score consistently without Jokic. In
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the case of the Bulls, without Jordan, though he left,
they still won fifty five games and could win a
playoff series. So even when Michael Jordan left the Bulls
for a year, okay, and that's because the Bulls had
the coach, great GM, excellent depth, they were better with him.
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The Celtics long term would be better with Jason Tatum.
They would need his ability to be b plus to
a minus at everything. But last night, Orlando's a good
team and the Celtics are so good at drafting and developed,
I mean, poor zingis they pretty much stole them. Derek White,
they pretty much stole them. And this is what they do.
So it's not a criticism, it's the reality that when
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Washington was winning Super Bowls with Joe Gibbs, it was
the coach and the culture. Joe Mazzoula. I mean, think
about this, umayadok left and we were like, oh, Joe Mizzoula,
he not ready to coach. A year later you're like,
he's fine. Is he a great coach? Good enough when
you have this kind of depth, this kind of roster.
So not every team, despite the fact that we're all
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conditioned to really believe. I don't follow international soccer closely enough,
but we're conditioned in that sport to believe. Oh. I mean,
if it was just about the great player MESSI would
have six World Cups right. The bottom line is the
Celtics are built different. Their stars have been the gms
who have won every trade, who crushed in development, who
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rock and free agency and regularly steal really good players.
J Mack with a news No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
This is the herd Line news, Right, Colin, We're starting
with our favorite talking quarterback in the league, and that's
Rock Party. We love to debate him. Well, guess what.
According to Diana Russini, Purdy and the Niners are inching
closer to a long term extension that is expected to
put perty among the top ten highest paid quarterbacks, meaning
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he'll earn at least fifty one million per season. Now,
I don't know where you are with the Party.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Listen, Let's say he signed a contract today and it
made him the tenth highest. That means in a year
he'd be the thirteenth highest. I'd be okay with that.
That's fine. I have no because you know every year
there's three new quarterbacks for.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
That, but that's the thing. Who's next year? I mean,
I don't know that. Like CJ. Stroud's not eligible yet
for an extension.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Most of these quarterbacks, so for our radio audience, I apologize,
but we have the highest paid quarterbacks in the league.
There's only two of these contracts that bother me. Dak
is massively overpaid, and I think at this point Tua,
because if his injury history is overpaid. I would defend
Trevor Lawrence because without him, I'm not sure if they
have a franchise. He's the Ken Griffy of the marriage.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Paid him early. Yeah, remember Dallas waited late to pay Dak.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But I'm not bothered by any of these Jordan Love again.
I think he's super talented. Tua because of his injury
history and inability to play in cold Wendy weather, bothers
me a little bit.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I'm sorry. Jordan loves super talented. He's making fifty five
million year, more than two time MVP Lamar, Super Bowl
stud Jalen Hurts. Justin Herbert, who's better than Jordan Loves Sorry.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Like Jordan, they're all in the same ballpark. I mean,
that's not mean, but Dak making sixty should be much
closer to Sam Darnold at thirty seven. That's when your team. Again,
I don't have a problem paying quarterbacks, but when you
pay somebody like Dak sixty and he should be below
the rest of these guys, that's two to three other
players you could have on your roster.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I just I wonder where the audience is with this, Like,
is they're pretty fatigue because Colin, this was supposed to
be done early. Now we've heard forty million, fifty sixty, Like, dude,
just get the deal done.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'm waiting if he well, I mean you say that,
what are we waiting for? You're waiting for a better number.
Forty seven million that gives you a number two cornerback.
Forty seven million, two million.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Is like multi generational wealth for brock Party in his family.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Oh it should take it.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yeah, you should take drab it. Go. Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
But why is a team waiting Because the difference between
paying somebody fifty four and forty six can be a
slot corner and a number two receiver. It could be
it can be two players.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Listen, you and I have been in many contract negotiations. Okay, Yeah,
they don't get dragged out over two months, do they
for a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah? Yeah, I think they do.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Here's my get here's my hot take. I don't think
the media has any clue what's going on. And there's
a lot of dart throwing because we've heard every number
around the sun and Rock Party forty fifty to sixty. Okay,
I would not be surprised if Rock Party actually hit
the top of the market briefly in a team friendly,
top of the market deal, just for that name recognition.
You know, the highest paid quarterback in NFL history. You
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know how good that would look for Rock Purty, mister irrelevant?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
How bad that would look for the Niners.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Well not if it's a team friendly deal and they
structure it with like incentives to get him to the
highest paid and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I know what the Rams are rooting for. They're rooting
for sixty. Always ask yourself, on any deal, what does
your rival think if he signs a fifty eight million
dollar deal? They are popping champagne in the Rams facility
because you're gonna have a thinner roster. And we got
Stafford and you got Brock Party, and we have a
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better roster and a better quarterback.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
So it would Brock Purty have a market if he
left the Niners right now, if you if the Niners said, sorry,
we can't come to a deal, go explore to what
you can get.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I think, go ask everybody what happens to quarterbacks that
leave Shanahan? How do they do?
Speaker 5 (22:54):
I said, that's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Have Matt shab after a Shanahan? Now? I mean, I
go ask yourself what happened to Trey Laance? I mean
he wasn't hitting it there.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Matt Ryan. If memory serves one, an MVP with Shanahan is.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
How do you do after?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I mean just go ask yourself. So go ahead, listen,
there's bad gms in this league. There are bad gms
in this line.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
The opposite for Shanahan is a rock Party has been
amazing for two plus years. You want to just move
on from him and find someone else.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You know, hard to slow down on amazing. He had
a losing record against playoff teams. Slow down on amazing.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
We can't do. We can't litigate Rock Party. On the
day of the NFL Draft. Next story, Colin is the
draft kicks off this evening. The Titans are going to
take cam Ward number one. Everybody knows that. Here's what
I didn't know that people cannot stop comparing cam Ward
to Patrick Mahons. He's not What are we doing now?
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The staff gave me a list here of a bunch
of quotes. Listen, Bruce Feldman's my guy. You know when
he comes on the show, camstroke is top ten in
the league. Immediately his arm talent is ridicted. There's still
a lot of growth.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well, I'm not denying he collin.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
All week people have been saying that cam Ward would
be like the fifth quarterback drafted last year, and now
he's got a top ten stroke and you got an
anonymous AFC quarterback coach saying, uh, the natural comparison is
Mahome and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
No, he's not.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
The disconnect is just crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
He'll be He'll be a good quarterback in a very
weak division. You know, I'll say this about cam Ward.
Offensive coach, good old line coach. They've got a couple
of nice receivers. I actually think this is a great now,
even though it's not a great organization. If you could,
if you said to me right now, I'm a kid
Week Division offensive coach, O line coach is legendary, and'd
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be like, that's not the worst sit.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
You're going to find out about Brian Callahan, Brian Dable
was awesome with Josh Allen, Right, Daniel Jones got to
the playoffs, and.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Now it looks I think we both picked Tennessee. We
we both like cam Ward enough. We picked Tennessee to
be a playoff team next year.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
No, I want to see what Callahan can do. Listen,
you look great with Joe Burrow. Can you what can
you do with cam Warton? Let's see it? So uh,
I just don't like this Mahomes comparisons of all the
names you're gonna put Patrick Mahomes there. I mean, if
anybody has in Ken O'Brien, you wouldn't have been freaking out.
But anyways, final story to the NBA Huge game tonight,
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Nick Pistons Game three, I'm nervous for my next set.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Become a really interesting series. The Pistons about played them
for probably seven of eight quarters.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, and Karl Anthony Towns is becoming a big story.
Did not take a shot in the fourth quarter that
was not good And Carmelo Anthony was on his podcast
seven PM in Brooklyn and he called out Kat's performance.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
You gotta demand it. You got to demand a ball.
You gotta demand they JB. Go, come on, let's get
into one four five, one five pick and roll. You
gotta have the eye to see that and allow the coach.
Gotta be confident in that too. Like Kat, gotta be
a lot more demanding of situations in.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Demanding a ball.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
I'm not going through Og, I'm not playing through Michel
and I knock to those guys. It's the money time.
We got to close it out.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't know what the best player in the series is.
Kate Cunningham. That's become pretty creat He is special, he
has He's better than JAYLEB Bronsons. Oh, he's a much bigger,
more athletic player, no question. He's a number one pick,
not a second round.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
See that's who cares well.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I mean, Kate Cunningham. Just, I mean, just look at
Kate Cunningham's game. He can score, does not need a screen,
does not need to pick.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Was a great game. Where was he? Where was he
in the fourth quarter in the next round?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Twenty one?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Nothing run in game one? Okay, so let's not go over.
But I love Kate Cunningham. I could be a top
five point guard players.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
To them, the most underrated player in the league.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Well, I listen, I like Kate. That being said, here's
the Carl Anthony Towns number. Fifty six touches in game one,
was down to thirty six in game two. Now he's
the new guy. Remember they kind of just added him.
Took a little while to figure it out. Can you,
as the new guy, demand the ball when you got
Jalen Brunson one of the best closers in the league.
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I don't know that Carl Anthony to could be like yo,
I need the ball here two.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Minutes left, Jalen Brunson once again leaves the playoffs in
usage rate. It doesn't work. Small guys, pump faking, dribbling
the air out of the ball, it doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
And I remind you Carl Anthony Towns was benched at
times last year of Minnesota down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, he's a quirky player, but I'm just if you're
remedy to win and turn this series around, is more.
Jalen Brunson dribbling the air out of the ball, that's
not gonna you may get past this team, you'll be
an exhausted mess next round.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Well, one game at a time. But if you had
to guess the line Nicks at Detroit.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I would say Nicks favored by one and a half.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
All right, I'm calling it up here. Whoa Knicks favored
by one and a half. It's not even on the screen. Nice,
nicely done. Are you taking the next to night? It's
a tough one.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I think I would take the zigzag theory, right, yeah,
I would take in that game, Knicks are going to
come out fire breathing, Thibodeau is gonna get on his guys.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
This is a first playoff game in Detroit, so it's
like where they're like in the series, an important game
in like fifteen twenty years. I like Nick, and.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
This is this is this is a you know, one
of the bigger games of the New York Knicks in
the last several years. You go down, you go down
to to one.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Not after after going a great run last year. You
don't want to lose in the first round.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, well, this game, if you lose this series, it
means you lost tonight. You know, Game three winner generally
wins the series. Isn't that there are number one, there
are some stats on that. So it's like, if you
lose this series, this creates question marks throughout the organization.
What do we do with Tibbs? What do we do
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with Karl.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Michaelown's sitting on the sideline? Denver fired him.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, I mean if you start losing early in like
when Denver, when you start losing a series, you should
win all of a sudden. Malone went into this year
with the Nuggets on a very private hot seat that
the people upstairs start asking questions about the coach. And
so if Tibbs loses to Detroit as a heavy favorite,
I'm telling you, the off season is not going to
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be you know, we just need to tweak stuff. You know,
That's not what the off season will be.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
This is a Bruns and forty piece. Tonight Nick's win
on the road.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Jime. I saw a story this morning. So in thirty
minutes from now, I'm gonna give you my mock draft
I do want on draft Day. This is what I
think is going to happen. Now in the history of drafting,
if I could get of my fifteen picks, if I
could get six right, I'd be overjoyed. We all know
the first two. But there's a lot of rumors on
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two to three teams moving up. I can tell you
there are two different NFL teams that would like to
move up for Travis Hunter. I have been told by
the way Jacksonville loves Travis Hunter. That doesn't mean they're
gonna get him. So it's not just people like Ashton Genty.
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There is a lot of Travis Hunter love. It is
a starless draft, and Travis Hunter, cam Ward and Ashton
Genty are stars in a starless draft. Throwing Abdul Carter
you got four doesn't mean you don't have a bunch
of good players. But so the Travis Hunter. This is
not being discussed. There are multiple teams I have been
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told too that would move up for Travis Hunter if
they got the right deal. One of them Jacksonville. But
I saw this story this morning about the Cowboys. There's
a lot of Cowboy room. Now. I believe Jerry doesn't
want to admit this because of pride and ego. I
think the Cowboys are in a rebuild. Last year, their
O line was ranked twenty fifth, then Zach Martin retired,
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and the left tackle they picked in the first round
last year, Tyler Geiden. So far it's early, it doesn't
look good. So if you're rebuilding your O line with
a B quarterback, to me, you're in a rebuild. Most
of the really good super Bowl level teams in this league,
the Buffalo's, the Baltimore's, the Rams, the Packers, Detroit, Philadelphia,
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they have good old lines. I mean, if you go
look at the top offensive lines last year in the NFL, Philly, Denver, Tampa, Detroit, Buffalo,
Green Bay Chiefs all made the playoffs seven of seven,
nine and ten Ravens Commanders. So bad old line rebuild.
You're either a bad team or you're an average team
in a rebuild. So if I was the Cowboys, I
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would trade Micah Parsons. I think in a week draft
he'd get you a first round pick. I would also
trade down in the first round. So I think Dallas
should attack offense. I think they should go after tight end,
running back, O line wide receiver. And we've seen this before,
where like the Rams have done this the last couple years,
We're going to attack the defense. Well, look, at the
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Rams defense, it's fantastic and getting better, and it's inexpensive.
So if you're gonna pay Dak sixty million, then you've
got to give him help and you've got to make
that investment work. The only way to make it work
is moving off Micah, getting another first round pick, trading down.
They only have one elite star offensive player, CD Lamb.
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So to me, once you pay the quarterback, especially a
B quarterback, a plus money, you got to make the
investment work. And this is a good draft for tight end,
running back and some pretty good offensive tackles. So I
would make moves. I would I would move down a
draft pick, I would move Micah, and I would go
aggressive for offensive help. But Jerry doesn't view it. And
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again there's pride there. It's an offensive league. If you
don't have weapons, I don't care how good your defense is,
I don't care. You're not winning multiple playoff games. And
in this division now with Jayden Daniels, it's pretty obvious
you have the third best quarterback in the division. If
you don't have one of the first two quarterbacks in
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the division, you're not going to be a consistent playoff team.
And also, I think we all admit Brian Schottenheimer is
not in the top fifteen in the league head coaches.
The staff is pretty meager, so that's what I would do.
There's a lot of rumors. I don't think it's that difficult,
but again, the Packers don't have an owner, the Rams
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have one that doesn't meddle, and the Cowboys have one
that sees himself as the team's GM. So it's just problematic.
Another rumor on the New York Giants that's coming up next.
It's the Hurt.
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Speaker 5 (34:32):
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Speaker 1 (34:49):
So I have in fifteen minutes my mock draft all
makeup prediction to what I think happens to the top
fifteen picks in the draft. I'm excited for it. I
can tell you there's a lot of rumors on the
I do have one major trade. There's a second when
there's two or three things that could happen. Jacksonville likes
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Travis Hunter. I don't think Cleveland's letting go at Travis Hunter.
The Bears have their eye on a player. I don't
think they have the ammo to get there. So you
know these teams now, by tonight it could change. But
at the top of the hour, I'll do my draft picks.
All right. There's another story, And we've said this before.
(35:31):
I don't think fans understand the egos and the dysfunction
that exist in the NFL. It's really a mess. And
Jordan Schultz said the Giants owner Mara loved Josh Allen
back when they took Saquon Barkley, and that he's always
kind of been a little miffed that that would have
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been the franchise changer and they didn't do it. So
even though Joe Shane and Brian Babole have summarily a
greed we're not taking Shadoor Sanders, what if Mara just
said I want him? That could happen. Now there's like
two or three different kinds of owners in the NFL.
There's Stan Kronke, who doesn't medal, keeps his eye on everything,
doesn't medal. There's the Mara family, which which doesn't meddle
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a lot, but makes a lot of bad decisions in
crucial moments. And then there's Jerry Jones, who thinks he's
a general manager. So there's about seven to eight to
me really really buttoned up franchises of the thirty two.
I called him a tier one group. I think that's Buffalo, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit,
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right now, Kansas City, Rams, Green Bay, San Francisco. They
miss on draft picks, but they're well run ownership, front
office down. Then I think there's another tier where they
mostly get it right. You know, Denver, Seattle Chargers, Tampa, Houston, Minnesota, Washington.
Don't love the ownership in Houston, like the GM. In
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front office, They've drafted well, smart free agent, good head coach,
quarterback coordinators are fine. So after that it's a lot
of smoking mirrors and nonsense. I've always said I think
the Ravens are the best run franchise in the league.
And truthfully, Steve Bushati doesn't want it out there. He
has huge influence even on draft night. So you know,
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some guys, Stan Kronky and Steve Bushati are great owners.
One of them is more into the football decisions Bashadi
than stan Kronk. But obviously Bashadi's good because they draft well.
They're just not there's just not a belief in the
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Giants building. Lanzerline talked about this yesterday, the GM and
the coach here we go door Sanders.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
So that's what I've heard, and so I don't think
Sitar Sanders is in play at three at all. I
think they like for you to believe it. It seems
like there's a lot of teams that want you to
believe that they're on shore Sanders because they think they're
going to elicit a phone call on a trade up
I don't think it's going to happen. I think he
goes twenty one of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And just to say this on the Giants, you can
keep blaming the players and the coaches, but they got
one playoff win in ten years. I mean, they have
the worst record in the NFL since twenty twelve. Raiders first,
Giant second. And it's neck and neck. Five head coaches,
ten starting quarterbacks, ten losing seasons, one playoff win since
twenty eleven. That's ownership. You can't keep blaming coach. I mean,
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somebody hired Joe Judge. Was Joe Judge that impressive in person? Really?
Ben McAdoo, Pat Shermer like some of these moves. You know,
my first thing I do is text people what do
you think about this move? Very rarely and this includes
now you saw it on HBO Max to people say
a Giants are buttoned up? They don't and that stuff.
(38:51):
Every bad company. I mean I've been lucky if worked
at six or seven companies in my life, one really
bad one. Why was it bad? It wasn't the employees,
it was the people upstairs. So okay, So we were
talking about this, Jay McK and I disagree a little bit.
So your reputation matters. So Draymond Green. Officials have their
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eye on Draymond Green and should because of his reputation.
You'll see this all the time in basketball where a
coach will take an official and say, hey, this guy,
watch this guy, watch this guy. So Amen Thompson has
a reputation. I mean remember the foul on Jannis the
last time he does this foul and everybody's like, no,
(39:32):
I don't see it as a big deal. It's a
go either way thing. You know, social media wanted him
ejected forever. Did he get pushed? Here's the issue why
I think there's at least an argument. Go look at
his career. So this is a guy that tackled Yannis.
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Remember the play years ago with Jannis. I mean that's violent,
that's who he is. I mean, look at this. That
is ugly. Remember the Tyler Hero moment. So he got
toe to toe with Tyler Hero of the Miami Heat
and slammed him to the floor. So we got video
of that as well. So when you have these multiple moments,
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you are going to be officiated differently. It's like having kids,
and one kid's always in trouble. So if trouble persists
in the house, my guess is, of all my kids,
it's probably the troublemaker in my house. So I didn't
think last night was severe. It's not outrages. It's not
the seventies, eighties, nineties, and there's an argument even though
there are camera angles where it's like Traymond Green did
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not push him. But I also wouldn't be outraged if
the league said Butler's out of game, You're out of game.
I don't think it's going to happen, but I wouldn't
be outraged by it. Now, Steve Kerr said, we didn't
see it as a problem.
Speaker 8 (40:49):
It looked like there was some physicality on the rebound,
and I think Thompson just you know, inadvertently found him
underneath Jimmy just based on the you know, the tug
of war that was going on there. So I mean,
we didn't We didn't think there was anything wrong with
the play.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Okay, so j Mack, let's look at it. Was it inadvertent?
Considering its history.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
The dirtiest play in this game involved Draymond Green. Sorry
to report, but it wasn't on this play. This like
a thicket if you watch Putzemski, he's pushing Steven Adams.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
We watch him, watch him go on. That video doesn't show.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
That angle doesn't show. But if you look at the
other angle, you'll see pods pushing Steven Adams and Draymond
kind of slips. So there's a bunch of guys in
there and Thompson loses his balance. I don't think it's dirty.
The Yanni's play was really dirty.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Well that was violent.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah, And listen, people need to realize that Lakers Timberwolves
game combined with this, these are rock fights. Everybody who
romanticizes nineties NBA basketball, you're watching these games, you really
think this is good basketball. I don't like this, Colin.
I don't think it's visually appear.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
The reason I think the league has to at least
have a discussion on this is a men Thompson's history
and Jimmy Butler is a star, and quarterbacks and stars
in the NBA. It's different.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
It just is.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
You don't have to like it.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
So let's say Butler misses Game three, do you think
the Warriors can still win that without him at home?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
No? Now, again, Jalen Green was amazing and he is
all over the map.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
If he's not going to be as bad as he
was in game one, no, no.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
But if he had seven, a nine instead of thirty eight,
you'd be like, yeah, yeah, I'm again. This to me
doesn't rise till I'm outraged. I thought it. I don't
think the league will do anything. Wouldn't bother me if
they did it for a game, Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, it is official. It is Draft Day that
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love this day. This is a really fun day for us,
(00:45):
right j Max. We'll start with the Warriors, because for
a couple of reasons, the Sherry series may have shifted
last night app so we thought Houston would win. We
said they couldn't play worse. Take Houston yesterday on the
show Easy Winner, Take the Rockets. They're gonna win. But
it's how they won. So the NBA officials, the refs
(01:06):
have decided throughout the playoffs and especially in this series,
we're gonna let them play. Now that's not a huge surprise.
We talk about this on a regular basis. Reffs let
them play in the postseason. That's a big edge, however,
to Houston because they really let them play last night.
They're longer, deeper, stronger, more physical, and once Jimmy Butler
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got hurt, well, the Warriors were a sub five hundred
team before Jimmy Butler. So Steph Curry and a bunch
of role players not gonna work. And it's not just
Jimmy Butler's scoring or his playmaking. It's the reality is
they can just go after Steph Curry. All you have
to do is rough him up, grab him, hold him.
There's nobody else that can score consistently. So it makes
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the Warriors a completely limited team. It's not just the
scoring and playmaking, the physicality of Jimmy Butler. The Warriors,
we know this. They're not deep. I said before the series.
They're not going to play Jonathan Kaminga. They're small and
not athletic enough. And you take Jimmy Butler out, he's
kind of the enforcer on that team. With Draymond Green,
the difference is he'd take some of the scoring pressure
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off Curry. So right now, the NBA officials are swallowing
the wishle whistles. It is the lowest free throw rate
in NBA playoff history. Now, if you're the Celtics or
the Rockets or the Calves Oklahoma City and you're deep,
that's okay. You can miss a star. Jason Tatum a
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great players out Celtics, don't miss a beat. Jimmy Butler
out of the thin small Warriors is a series changer.
So and I again we said this before Jimmy Butler.
It's just Curry and role players. So we have to
wait for the test results. But if they're saying Butler's
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out for the next two games, the series is over.
Now I full disclosed. I picked the Rockets anyway. I
thought it was a bit of a cheap shot by
a men Thompson who has a reputation. He did this
to Jannis, he did this to Tyler hero his reputation
precedes him. This is what he does, a very athletic,
physical player. He was going after Butler. And by the way,
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Draymond gets guys worked up. But it's not like you know,
when people used to criticize Draymond Green. Draymond Green had
a reputation and he still does before he gets into
the arena. Aman Thompson is their physical, tough guy. He's
the guy that's gonna make things. He's gonna play that line.
I thought it was a little cheap. I would have
no problem if he got suspended for a game in
the series. However long Jimmy Butler's out year out, which
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is probably gonna be a game. But the NBA has
decided we're gonna let everybody play, and so that means
if Butler's not there, the Warriors have been reduced to
Steph skirt. Steph Curry scores forty points or we lose. Now,
Jalen Green's not gonna shoot like that on most nights.
He is a hit and miss player. You could look
at his last eight games. You don't know what you're
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geting with Jayalen Green. He had a great performance that
could go down to nine points in his next outing.
So again, Houston came in with their coach, former Celtics coach.
We're going to get after him physically. They're not going
to come into our house and go up too. Oh.
So there was an absolute game planned by aman Thompson
Jalen Green. It was be hyper aggressive. We have a
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deeper roster, and it worked. It doesn't affect the Celtics
who played without Jason Tatum. You can't take Butler out
of the Warriors, and the series is over and here's
Steve Kerr.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
And you just respond and react with what you have
to do in terms of, you know, making a sub
and trying to think about new substitution patterns, who you
want to pair together, all that kind of stuff. So
obviously feel terrible for Jimmy. Hopefully he's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You know, it's funny. It's not like what Amn Thompson did.
I'm all worked up about. I mean, I spent a
lot of my years watching Kurt Rambis get tackled by
the Pistons. If the seventies and eighties basketball was allowed today,
you'd have fans rushing on the court. But I do
think the NBA has always protected stars, just like the
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NFL change rules to protect stars. This to me is
one where I would have no problem saying, as long
as Butler's out, you're out. It wouldn't bother me at all.
Probably not gonna happen, But remember leagues do this. It's
not hard to figure out. In the NFL rules you
can't touch the quarterback. Well, the NBA has always been
a star driven league, even more than the NFL, So
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I think Butler maybe misses a game, but that's again,
they're not gonna win because you just only have one
outlet after staff and the Rockets have figured it out
without Butler on the floor clutch and grab, Curry push grab,
and the refs are letting it go. So it's a
really disadvantage for the Warriors. The way the officials are
letting the Rockets a much deeper team play. It's surprising
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the Rockets were so ill qupt in Game one. Here's
imay Aduka on the rockets chippy play.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
That's who we are, you know, that's our identity for
the most part. So like I said, from you know,
start of the playoffs, we don't have to flip the
switch and try to get tougher, try to get more aggressive.
That's kind of what we built everything on, and so
that carries over the playoffs. We understand that if they
let us play both teams, it's in our favor for
the most part. Golden State as well as physical you
just have to play through it. You can't expect it
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on one end and cry about it on the other
and so if it gets chippy we've seen over the
last two years, you know that works in our favor
for the most part, gets us amped up. And but
when you have a lead up twenty and things start
to happen, you understand why, and that's kind of the
last resort.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Okay, So the way the league is officiating the playoffs,
they're letting even more go than I suspected, big advantage Celtics, Calves,
OKC in Houston, really deep athletic teams. Okay, So there's
a story that Shahor Sanders is really slipping in the draft,
could go twenty one to the Steelers. I will, by
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the way, in forty five minutes, fifty minutes, I will
have my final mock draft. This is not what I
would do. This is what I believe happens in the
first round of the draft, first fifteen pick. So forty
five minutes from now, my prediction on what I think
the first fifteen picks will look like. So this is
a very very weak draft. So if Schadur Sanders is
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falling in the draft, you know, it's pretty obvious that
Shadur Sanders is not lighting the world up. There's also
team Act. The receiver out of Arizona I am told,
is also falling in the draft for separate reasons. But
here's my thing about Shaudur sliding to Pittsburgh. I would
rather go to Pittsburgh at twenty one than Cleveland or
the Giants with a second or third pick. I really
would ownership stability, roster composition, and a patient franchise. The
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Steelers have DK Metcalf, They'll trade the other receiver. They
have a very good tight end, Arthur Smith, more than
capable at oc. It's a very good roster. I'd rather
go there. Dan Marino in the draft to Hall of
Fame coach Don Shula. Do you realize that the Jets
could have picked him with Joe Walton as a head
coach earlier? Do you think he would have ended up
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having Dan Marino's career. Patrick Mahomes went tenth that year.
If he would have gone second, he would have gone
to the Chicago Bears. Andy Reid was not coaching the
Chicago Bears. You start looking at when Aaron Rodgers fell
to Green Bay. You know where he could have gone.
Mike Tice Minnesota or Mike Nolan, who wore a suit
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on the sidelines for San Francisco. Would that have been better?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
So?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I think with the current NIL model, the fact that
your dad's de On Sanders, you were making seven figures
in college play the long game, I would rather go
down ten draft picks twelve draft picks to a better franchise.
Dan Marino Aaron Rodgers are the two legendary drops in
the first round. Let me ask yourself this jan Love.
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The Packers moved up for Jordan Love. That worked out
pretty well for him, didn't it. If you could go
to the Green Bay Packers or twenty three other teams
in the NFL, who would you choose?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
So?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think we talked about this where you land matters Now.
I have my issues with the Steelers, Mike Tomlin, defensive coach,
defensive culture. If they have a bad year, I think
they could. You know, Mike Tomlin's not going to be
around forever so and he'll get a TV job and
a heartbeat. But with the NIL model and college kids
coming out with some money in the bank and your
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dad's Dean Sanders, I would have I would much rather
go to a stable ownership group. All this short term money,
it doesn't matter as much anymore, at least for quarterbacks.
I mean, at these top twenty football programs, everybody's getting money.
Tight end are getting money, right, Tackles are getting money.
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Safeties are getting money in college football. So the advantage
to that is not only short term for the player
being able to afford a nice car or something, but
you can take a deep breath and not be emotionally
tight in the knots if you drop. Because if he
went to Cleveland or New York, Shador Sanders has to
play immediately, and he is the savior. He's not the
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savior in Pittsburgh. That's not what he would be. He
would be the starting quarterback. The franchise doesn't need saving.
It needs improvement, but it doesn't need saving. Cleveland needs saving.
The Giants need everything, including saving. So that's where we
are today. Land Zerline was on yesterday, worked for NFL
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dot Com cover the NFL for twenty years. Talked about
just this quarterback class not very good compared to last year's.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
From a comparison, it's terrible. It's not even close to
last year's. Obviously, Schador's going to go into first this year.
He would have gone maybe in the second round last year,
maybe even in the third round, because teams don't like
they don't like drafting players in the second round. There's
only been six quarterbacks drafted in the second round over
the last ten years, thirty five first rounders and fourteen
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third rounders. So it's like that's a line of demarcation.
You're either a starter or you're a backup.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So the odds continued to suggest that Shadeur Sanders will
slide down to twenty one and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Again,
I don't think it's the worst thing in the world.
The two most famous slides, Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers
went to good coaches and stability, and now Shadur comes out.
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Dad's a legend. Nil money. So what I mean there
are guys now in college staying in college for another year.
We're seeing this. I mean, Carson Beck's like, I could
get drafted in the sixth round. I can go to
Miami and make ten million dollars. So I just I
think the nil has changed it. It's so what you drop,
what you don't want to do is go to a
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franchise that is a mess. And we all know about
eight to ten of these franchises are a mess. All right,
There's about eight greatly well run franchises, another six to
seven who are mostly on a consistent basis solid. Then
there's fifteen messes. J Mack, I'm gonna do in forty
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five minutes. My am a mock draft.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Colin. Wait, wait, the Steelers are not a mess. A
franchise that hasn't known offense for the last I don't
know six.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Years, that's not a mess.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
The most expensive defense or one of the most expensive
defensive rosters in the league. Yes, haven't won a playoff
game in forever.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
They need it.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
They're not a mess.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
No, they need adjustments. A mess has been the Titans
a mess before.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
C J. Stroud Network playoff wins in the last five
years in the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But the Steelers draft better, better roster composition, more stability
and ownership, front office coaching. Yeah, I mean it's again,
Pittsburgh has underachieved relative to their division. I'm not denying that.
But they do get to the playoffs. That's not a mess.
So that's the bar just getting well, No, you're not
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a mess if you're getting to the playoffs. Now, now,
I mean they win more. Think about this they win
more regularly than the Niners. Go look at even with
Kyle shannonthan Niners good year bad. You're good year bad,
You're good year bad year. The Rams win almost every year.
The Steelers win almost every year. They do win every
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year in the regular season. So my take is the
Steelers aren't a mess. They're just not again relative to
the top teams in the league. They are still too
defensive minded.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
And I love this whole Shadur narrative. Let's just remember
everybody the league has no clue how to draft quarterbacks.
Let's just get that out there first and foremost. Okay,
Trey Lance going second, Zach Wilson's second, Patrick Mahone's sliding
behind Mitch Trubisky. The league doesn't know what they're doing
with quarterbacks. Shador may be good. He could Drew Brees.
I think accurate as hell.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, No, I think Shadur is going to be a
nice NFL quarterback. I do good B plus quarterback in
the league, I do. I think he's more talented. I
think he's absolutely more talented than Dak Prescott. I think
he's more talented than brock Perty. I think he's more
talented than JJ McCarthy, who everybody loved last year. I
think he's more talented. So I think he's a talented kid.
I don't think he's a star, and I don't think
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he's an a prospect.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
He's got some growing up to do. But is Kyler
Murray a star? He's got growing up to do. He
hasn't want anything. I don't know if Kyler Murray's that.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I think if you ask most GMS today Kyler Murray,
all things considered, including his contractor Shauduur, you'd take Shaduur. Yeah, yeah,
because you know, I mean that's part of it. So again,
how about this.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Can Shadeur be a top fifteen quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yes, with the right landing spot, yes, I believe so
top ten probably not.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
There were moments where Kirk Cousins was a top ten
quarterback in the league, fringe top ten, but top ten.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Dak Prescott mid round quarterback, he was a top ten guy.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah. Again when he the right components to the roster. Yes,
I think if Sugaro goes to the right play, I mean,
the Steelers star receiver, really good tight end. They lost
their left tackle a Najie Harris, But it's a Great
running Back Draft. So they're drafting another running back?
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Which star receiver were talking about? The one who unfollowed
the Steelers on Instagram this week? Oh Pickens, it never stops.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
All right, we got a lot of stuff coming up.
Joel Clatt today as well Live in La. It's the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
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Speaker 1 (15:33):
All right, you're no entering the Noble Zone sponsored by
Credible Great Rage, none of the bull. So you know
how I think about Jason Tatum. I think he's very good,
top seven eight player in the NBA. I don't think
he's the face of the league. But we are so
conditioned because the NBA is a star driven league. We
are so conditioned the fans the media that if a
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team's good, it's got to be their star. But the
star of the Celtics is the GM Brand Stevens, and
before him, it was Danny Inge. So the Celtics won
a playoff game last night. They're now sixteen and three
without Jason Tatum, and they score more, they have a
higher net rating, they shoot better without Jason Tatum. That
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is not a criticism. The MVP of the Celtics is
their last two general managers. It is a roster so
deep that virtually everybody's replaceable. When Washington and Joe Gibbs
were winning Super Bowls, three of them with three different quarterbacks,
it won't about the quarterback. It just usually is for
everybody else to win Super Bowls. Okay, the Celtics are
not just a really good basketball team. They're a great company, culture, product,
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depth of employee talent. That's what they are. So we're
all conditioned to say, oh, it's about the star. I mean,
Peyton Pritchard is a classic Celtic. They drafted him like
five years ago with a twenty six pick. They develop them,
bring them along slowly. Now they got him into a
new contract. He's six men end of the year. So
this team is This team statistically, over the long run,
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would not be better than without Jason Tatum, But in
short brief stints without Jason Tatum, the stats tell you
they're just as good, if not better, and more efficient.
The ball moves a little better in all basketball when
the superstars off the floor. Now, in the case of
a Jokic, the Nuggets can't score consistently without Jokic. In
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the case of the Bulls, without Jordan, though he left,
they still won fifty five games and could win a
playoff series. So even when Michael Jordan left the Bulls
for a year, okay, and that's because the Bulls had
the coach, great GM, excellent depth, they were better with him.
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The Celtics long term would be better with Jason Tatum.
They would need his ability to be b plus to
a minus at everything. But last night, Orlando's a good
team and the Celtics are so good at drafting and developed,
I mean, poor zingis they pretty much stole them. Derek White,
they pretty much stole them. And this is what they do.
So it's not a criticism, it's the reality that when
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Washington was winning Super Bowls with Joe Gibbs, it was
the coach and the culture. Joe Mazzoula. I mean, think
about this, umayadok left and we were like, oh, Joe Mizzoula,
he not ready to coach. A year later you're like,
he's fine. Is he a great coach? Good enough when
you have this kind of depth, this kind of roster.
So not every team, despite the fact that we're all
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conditioned to really believe. I don't follow international soccer closely enough,
but we're conditioned in that sport to believe. Oh. I mean,
if it was just about the great player MESSI would
have six World Cups right. The bottom line is the
Celtics are built different. Their stars have been the gms
who have won every trade, who crushed in development, who
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rock and free agency and regularly steal really good players.
J Mack with a news No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
This is the herd Line news, Right, Colin, We're starting
with our favorite talking quarterback in the league, and that's
Rock Party. We love to debate him. Well, guess what.
According to Diana Russini, Purdy and the Niners are inching
closer to a long term extension that is expected to
put perty among the top ten highest paid quarterbacks, meaning
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he'll earn at least fifty one million per season. Now,
I don't know where you are with the Party.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Listen, Let's say he signed a contract today and it
made him the tenth highest. That means in a year
he'd be the thirteenth highest. I'd be okay with that.
That's fine. I have no because you know every year
there's three new quarterbacks for.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
That, but that's the thing. Who's next year? I mean,
I don't know that. Like CJ. Stroud's not eligible yet
for an extension.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Most of these quarterbacks, so for our radio audience, I apologize,
but we have the highest paid quarterbacks in the league.
There's only two of these contracts that bother me. Dak
is massively overpaid, and I think at this point Tua,
because if his injury history is overpaid. I would defend
Trevor Lawrence because without him, I'm not sure if they
have a franchise. He's the Ken Griffy of the marriage.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Paid him early. Yeah, remember Dallas waited late to pay Dak.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But I'm not bothered by any of these Jordan Love again.
I think he's super talented. Tua because of his injury
history and inability to play in cold Wendy weather, bothers
me a little bit.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I'm sorry. Jordan loves super talented. He's making fifty five
million year, more than two time MVP Lamar, Super Bowl
stud Jalen Hurts. Justin Herbert, who's better than Jordan Loves Sorry.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Like Jordan, they're all in the same ballpark. I mean,
that's not mean, but Dak making sixty should be much
closer to Sam Darnold at thirty seven. That's when your team. Again,
I don't have a problem paying quarterbacks, but when you
pay somebody like Dak sixty and he should be below
the rest of these guys, that's two to three other
players you could have on your roster.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I just I wonder where the audience is with this, Like,
is they're pretty fatigue because Colin, this was supposed to
be done early. Now we've heard forty million, fifty sixty, Like, dude,
just get the deal done.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'm waiting if he well, I mean you say that,
what are we waiting for? You're waiting for a better number.
Forty seven million that gives you a number two cornerback.
Forty seven million, two million.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Is like multi generational wealth for brock Party in his family.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Oh it should take it.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yeah, you should take drab it. Go. Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
But why is a team waiting Because the difference between
paying somebody fifty four and forty six can be a
slot corner and a number two receiver. It could be
it can be two players.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Listen, you and I have been in many contract negotiations. Okay, Yeah,
they don't get dragged out over two months, do they
for a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah? Yeah, I think they do.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Here's my get here's my hot take. I don't think
the media has any clue what's going on. And there's
a lot of dart throwing because we've heard every number
around the sun and Rock Party forty fifty to sixty. Okay,
I would not be surprised if Rock Party actually hit
the top of the market briefly in a team friendly,
top of the market deal, just for that name recognition.
You know, the highest paid quarterback in NFL history. You
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know how good that would look for Rock Purty, mister irrelevant?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
How bad that would look for the Niners.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Well not if it's a team friendly deal and they
structure it with like incentives to get him to the
highest paid and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I know what the Rams are rooting for. They're rooting
for sixty. Always ask yourself, on any deal, what does
your rival think if he signs a fifty eight million
dollar deal? They are popping champagne in the Rams facility
because you're gonna have a thinner roster. And we got
Stafford and you got Brock Party, and we have a
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better roster and a better quarterback.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
So it would Brock Purty have a market if he
left the Niners right now, if you if the Niners said, sorry,
we can't come to a deal, go explore to what
you can get.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I think, go ask everybody what happens to quarterbacks that
leave Shanahan? How do they do?
Speaker 5 (22:54):
I said, that's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Have Matt shab after a Shanahan? Now? I mean, I
go ask yourself what happened to Trey Laance? I mean
he wasn't hitting it there.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Matt Ryan. If memory serves one, an MVP with Shanahan is.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
How do you do after?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I mean just go ask yourself. So go ahead, listen,
there's bad gms in this league. There are bad gms
in this line.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
The opposite for Shanahan is a rock Party has been
amazing for two plus years. You want to just move
on from him and find someone else.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You know, hard to slow down on amazing. He had
a losing record against playoff teams. Slow down on amazing.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
We can't do. We can't litigate Rock Party. On the
day of the NFL Draft. Next story, Colin is the
draft kicks off this evening. The Titans are going to
take cam Ward number one. Everybody knows that. Here's what
I didn't know that people cannot stop comparing cam Ward
to Patrick Mahons. He's not What are we doing now?
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The staff gave me a list here of a bunch
of quotes. Listen, Bruce Feldman's my guy. You know when
he comes on the show, camstroke is top ten in
the league. Immediately his arm talent is ridicted. There's still
a lot of growth.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well, I'm not denying he collin.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
All week people have been saying that cam Ward would
be like the fifth quarterback drafted last year, and now
he's got a top ten stroke and you got an
anonymous AFC quarterback coach saying, uh, the natural comparison is
Mahome and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
No, he's not.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
The disconnect is just crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
He'll be He'll be a good quarterback in a very
weak division. You know, I'll say this about cam Ward.
Offensive coach, good old line coach. They've got a couple
of nice receivers. I actually think this is a great now,
even though it's not a great organization. If you could,
if you said to me right now, I'm a kid
Week Division offensive coach, O line coach is legendary, and'd
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be like, that's not the worst sit.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
You're going to find out about Brian Callahan, Brian Dable
was awesome with Josh Allen, Right, Daniel Jones got to
the playoffs, and.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Now it looks I think we both picked Tennessee. We
we both like cam Ward enough. We picked Tennessee to
be a playoff team next year.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
No, I want to see what Callahan can do. Listen,
you look great with Joe Burrow. Can you what can
you do with cam Warton? Let's see it? So uh,
I just don't like this Mahomes comparisons of all the
names you're gonna put Patrick Mahomes there. I mean, if
anybody has in Ken O'Brien, you wouldn't have been freaking out.
But anyways, final story to the NBA Huge game tonight,
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Nick Pistons Game three, I'm nervous for my next set.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Become a really interesting series. The Pistons about played them
for probably seven of eight quarters.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, and Karl Anthony Towns is becoming a big story.
Did not take a shot in the fourth quarter that
was not good And Carmelo Anthony was on his podcast
seven PM in Brooklyn and he called out Kat's performance.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
You gotta demand it. You got to demand a ball.
You gotta demand they JB. Go, come on, let's get
into one four five, one five pick and roll. You
gotta have the eye to see that and allow the coach.
Gotta be confident in that too. Like Kat, gotta be
a lot more demanding of situations in.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Demanding a ball.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
I'm not going through Og, I'm not playing through Michel
and I knock to those guys. It's the money time.
We got to close it out.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't know what the best player in the series is.
Kate Cunningham. That's become pretty creat He is special, he
has He's better than JAYLEB Bronsons. Oh, he's a much bigger,
more athletic player, no question. He's a number one pick,
not a second round.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
See that's who cares well.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I mean, Kate Cunningham. Just, I mean, just look at
Kate Cunningham's game. He can score, does not need a screen,
does not need to pick.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Was a great game. Where was he? Where was he
in the fourth quarter in the next round?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Twenty one?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Nothing run in game one? Okay, so let's not go over.
But I love Kate Cunningham. I could be a top
five point guard players.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
To them, the most underrated player in the league.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Well, I listen, I like Kate. That being said, here's
the Carl Anthony Towns number. Fifty six touches in game one,
was down to thirty six in game two. Now he's
the new guy. Remember they kind of just added him.
Took a little while to figure it out. Can you,
as the new guy, demand the ball when you got
Jalen Brunson one of the best closers in the league.
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I don't know that Carl Anthony to could be like yo,
I need the ball here two.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Minutes left, Jalen Brunson once again leaves the playoffs in
usage rate. It doesn't work. Small guys, pump faking, dribbling
the air out of the ball, it doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
And I remind you Carl Anthony Towns was benched at
times last year of Minnesota down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, he's a quirky player, but I'm just if you're
remedy to win and turn this series around, is more.
Jalen Brunson dribbling the air out of the ball, that's
not gonna you may get past this team, you'll be
an exhausted mess next round.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Well, one game at a time. But if you had
to guess the line Nicks at Detroit.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I would say Nicks favored by one and a half.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
All right, I'm calling it up here. Whoa Knicks favored
by one and a half. It's not even on the screen. Nice,
nicely done. Are you taking the next to night? It's
a tough one.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I think I would take the zigzag theory, right, yeah,
I would take in that game, Knicks are going to
come out fire breathing, Thibodeau is gonna get on his guys.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
This is a first playoff game in Detroit, so it's
like where they're like in the series, an important game
in like fifteen twenty years. I like Nick, and.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
This is this is this is a you know, one
of the bigger games of the New York Knicks in
the last several years. You go down, you go down
to to one.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Not after after going a great run last year. You
don't want to lose in the first round.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, well, this game, if you lose this series, it
means you lost tonight. You know, Game three winner generally
wins the series. Isn't that there are number one, there
are some stats on that. So it's like, if you
lose this series, this creates question marks throughout the organization.
What do we do with Tibbs? What do we do
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with Karl.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Michaelown's sitting on the sideline? Denver fired him.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, I mean if you start losing early in like
when Denver, when you start losing a series, you should
win all of a sudden. Malone went into this year
with the Nuggets on a very private hot seat that
the people upstairs start asking questions about the coach. And
so if Tibbs loses to Detroit as a heavy favorite,
I'm telling you, the off season is not going to
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be you know, we just need to tweak stuff. You know,
That's not what the off season will be.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
This is a Bruns and forty piece. Tonight Nick's win
on the road.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Jime. I saw a story this morning. So in thirty
minutes from now, I'm gonna give you my mock draft
I do want on draft Day. This is what I
think is going to happen. Now in the history of drafting,
if I could get of my fifteen picks, if I
could get six right, I'd be overjoyed. We all know
the first two. But there's a lot of rumors on
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two to three teams moving up. I can tell you
there are two different NFL teams that would like to
move up for Travis Hunter. I have been told by
the way Jacksonville loves Travis Hunter. That doesn't mean they're
gonna get him. So it's not just people like Ashton Genty.
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There is a lot of Travis Hunter love. It is
a starless draft, and Travis Hunter, cam Ward and Ashton
Genty are stars in a starless draft. Throwing Abdul Carter
you got four doesn't mean you don't have a bunch
of good players. But so the Travis Hunter. This is
not being discussed. There are multiple teams I have been
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told too that would move up for Travis Hunter if
they got the right deal. One of them Jacksonville. But
I saw this story this morning about the Cowboys. There's
a lot of Cowboy room. Now. I believe Jerry doesn't
want to admit this because of pride and ego. I
think the Cowboys are in a rebuild. Last year, their
O line was ranked twenty fifth, then Zach Martin retired,
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and the left tackle they picked in the first round
last year, Tyler Geiden. So far it's early, it doesn't
look good. So if you're rebuilding your O line with
a B quarterback, to me, you're in a rebuild. Most
of the really good super Bowl level teams in this league,
the Buffalo's, the Baltimore's, the Rams, the Packers, Detroit, Philadelphia,
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they have good old lines. I mean, if you go
look at the top offensive lines last year in the NFL, Philly, Denver, Tampa, Detroit, Buffalo,
Green Bay Chiefs all made the playoffs seven of seven,
nine and ten Ravens Commanders. So bad old line rebuild.
You're either a bad team or you're an average team
in a rebuild. So if I was the Cowboys, I
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would trade Micah Parsons. I think in a week draft
he'd get you a first round pick. I would also
trade down in the first round. So I think Dallas
should attack offense. I think they should go after tight end,
running back, O line wide receiver. And we've seen this before,
where like the Rams have done this the last couple years,
We're going to attack the defense. Well, look, at the
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Rams defense, it's fantastic and getting better, and it's inexpensive.
So if you're gonna pay Dak sixty million, then you've
got to give him help and you've got to make
that investment work. The only way to make it work
is moving off Micah, getting another first round pick, trading down.
They only have one elite star offensive player, CD Lamb.
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So to me, once you pay the quarterback, especially a
B quarterback, a plus money, you got to make the
investment work. And this is a good draft for tight end,
running back and some pretty good offensive tackles. So I
would make moves. I would I would move down a
draft pick, I would move Micah, and I would go
aggressive for offensive help. But Jerry doesn't view it. And
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again there's pride there. It's an offensive league. If you
don't have weapons, I don't care how good your defense is,
I don't care. You're not winning multiple playoff games. And
in this division now with Jayden Daniels, it's pretty obvious
you have the third best quarterback in the division. If
you don't have one of the first two quarterbacks in
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the division, you're not going to be a consistent playoff team.
And also, I think we all admit Brian Schottenheimer is
not in the top fifteen in the league head coaches.
The staff is pretty meager, so that's what I would do.
There's a lot of rumors. I don't think it's that difficult,
but again, the Packers don't have an owner, the Rams
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have one that doesn't meddle, and the Cowboys have one
that sees himself as the team's GM. So it's just problematic.
Another rumor on the New York Giants that's coming up next.
It's the Hurt.
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Speaker 5 (34:32):
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Speaker 1 (34:49):
So I have in fifteen minutes my mock draft all
makeup prediction to what I think happens to the top
fifteen picks in the draft. I'm excited for it. I
can tell you there's a lot of rumors on the
I do have one major trade. There's a second when
there's two or three things that could happen. Jacksonville likes
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Travis Hunter. I don't think Cleveland's letting go at Travis Hunter.
The Bears have their eye on a player. I don't
think they have the ammo to get there. So you
know these teams now, by tonight it could change. But
at the top of the hour, I'll do my draft picks.
All right. There's another story, And we've said this before.
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I don't think fans understand the egos and the dysfunction
that exist in the NFL. It's really a mess. And
Jordan Schultz said the Giants owner Mara loved Josh Allen
back when they took Saquon Barkley, and that he's always
kind of been a little miffed that that would have
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been the franchise changer and they didn't do it. So
even though Joe Shane and Brian Babole have summarily a
greed we're not taking Shadoor Sanders, what if Mara just
said I want him? That could happen. Now there's like
two or three different kinds of owners in the NFL.
There's Stan Kronke, who doesn't medal, keeps his eye on everything,
doesn't medal. There's the Mara family, which which doesn't meddle
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a lot, but makes a lot of bad decisions in
crucial moments. And then there's Jerry Jones, who thinks he's
a general manager. So there's about seven to eight to
me really really buttoned up franchises of the thirty two.
I called him a tier one group. I think that's Buffalo, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit,
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right now, Kansas City, Rams, Green Bay, San Francisco. They
miss on draft picks, but they're well run ownership, front
office down. Then I think there's another tier where they
mostly get it right. You know, Denver, Seattle Chargers, Tampa, Houston, Minnesota, Washington.
Don't love the ownership in Houston, like the GM. In
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front office, They've drafted well, smart free agent, good head coach,
quarterback coordinators are fine. So after that it's a lot
of smoking mirrors and nonsense. I've always said I think
the Ravens are the best run franchise in the league.
And truthfully, Steve Bushati doesn't want it out there. He
has huge influence even on draft night. So you know,
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some guys, Stan Kronky and Steve Bushati are great owners.
One of them is more into the football decisions Bashadi
than stan Kronk. But obviously Bashadi's good because they draft well.
They're just not there's just not a belief in the
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Giants building. Lanzerline talked about this yesterday, the GM and
the coach here we go door Sanders.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
So that's what I've heard, and so I don't think
Sitar Sanders is in play at three at all. I
think they like for you to believe it. It seems
like there's a lot of teams that want you to
believe that they're on shore Sanders because they think they're
going to elicit a phone call on a trade up
I don't think it's going to happen. I think he
goes twenty one of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And just to say this on the Giants, you can
keep blaming the players and the coaches, but they got
one playoff win in ten years. I mean, they have
the worst record in the NFL since twenty twelve. Raiders first,
Giant second. And it's neck and neck. Five head coaches,
ten starting quarterbacks, ten losing seasons, one playoff win since
twenty eleven. That's ownership. You can't keep blaming coach. I mean,
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somebody hired Joe Judge. Was Joe Judge that impressive in person? Really?
Ben McAdoo, Pat Shermer like some of these moves. You know,
my first thing I do is text people what do
you think about this move? Very rarely and this includes
now you saw it on HBO Max to people say
a Giants are buttoned up? They don't and that stuff.
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Every bad company. I mean I've been lucky if worked
at six or seven companies in my life, one really
bad one. Why was it bad? It wasn't the employees,
it was the people upstairs. So okay, So we were
talking about this, Jay McK and I disagree a little bit.
So your reputation matters. So Draymond Green. Officials have their
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eye on Draymond Green and should because of his reputation.
You'll see this all the time in basketball where a
coach will take an official and say, hey, this guy,
watch this guy, watch this guy. So Amen Thompson has
a reputation. I mean remember the foul on Jannis the
last time he does this foul and everybody's like, no,
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I don't see it as a big deal. It's a
go either way thing. You know, social media wanted him
ejected forever. Did he get pushed? Here's the issue why
I think there's at least an argument. Go look at
his career. So this is a guy that tackled Yannis.
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Remember the play years ago with Jannis. I mean that's violent,
that's who he is. I mean, look at this. That
is ugly. Remember the Tyler Hero moment. So he got
toe to toe with Tyler Hero of the Miami Heat
and slammed him to the floor. So we got video
of that as well. So when you have these multiple moments,
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you are going to be officiated differently. It's like having kids,
and one kid's always in trouble. So if trouble persists
in the house, my guess is, of all my kids,
it's probably the troublemaker in my house. So I didn't
think last night was severe. It's not outrages. It's not
the seventies, eighties, nineties, and there's an argument even though
there are camera angles where it's like Traymond Green did
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not push him. But I also wouldn't be outraged if
the league said Butler's out of game, You're out of game.
I don't think it's going to happen, but I wouldn't
be outraged by it. Now, Steve Kerr said, we didn't
see it as a problem.
Speaker 8 (40:49):
It looked like there was some physicality on the rebound,
and I think Thompson just you know, inadvertently found him
underneath Jimmy just based on the you know, the tug
of war that was going on there. So I mean,
we didn't We didn't think there was anything wrong with
the play.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Okay, so j Mack, let's look at it. Was it inadvertent?
Considering its history.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
The dirtiest play in this game involved Draymond Green. Sorry
to report, but it wasn't on this play. This like
a thicket if you watch Putzemski, he's pushing Steven Adams.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
We watch him, watch him go on. That video doesn't show.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
That angle doesn't show. But if you look at the
other angle, you'll see pods pushing Steven Adams and Draymond
kind of slips. So there's a bunch of guys in
there and Thompson loses his balance. I don't think it's dirty.
The Yanni's play was really dirty.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Well that was violent.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah, And listen, people need to realize that Lakers Timberwolves
game combined with this, these are rock fights. Everybody who
romanticizes nineties NBA basketball, you're watching these games, you really
think this is good basketball. I don't like this, Colin.
I don't think it's visually appear.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
The reason I think the league has to at least
have a discussion on this is a men Thompson's history
and Jimmy Butler is a star, and quarterbacks and stars
in the NBA. It's different.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
It just is.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
You don't have to like it.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
So let's say Butler misses Game three, do you think
the Warriors can still win that without him at home?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
No? Now, again, Jalen Green was amazing and he is
all over the map.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
If he's not going to be as bad as he
was in game one, no, no.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
But if he had seven, a nine instead of thirty eight,
you'd be like, yeah, yeah, I'm again. This to me
doesn't rise till I'm outraged. I thought it. I don't
think the league will do anything. Wouldn't bother me if
they did it for a game, Yeah,
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