April 15, 2025 • 43 mins
Nick Wright from First Things First joins the show to breakdown Colin's "Circle of Trust" and why Rory McIlroy's Master win was a perfect representation of what the great golfer's career has been
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Jordan Schultzen for j Mac, Joe Klatten hour from now,
Nick Wright in five minutes. So I was thinking about this.
I got a lot to talk about with Nick right here.
I was thinking about this. So the Suns fired their
coach during our show yesterday. Mike Budenholzer never thought it
was a great fit. Run in Milwaukee, down run in Phoenix.
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He and Katie had issues. He and Bradley Beal had issues.
Weirdly constructed, they rolled the dice. I appreciate the swing
by Matt Eshbia, but in the and it just didn't work,
especially the bell part didn't work at all. But it
goes to show you a lot about Kevin Durant. So
the NBA and pro sports is a lot more than
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just talent. I see this all the time. I talk
to nflgm is about this all the time. Some kids
don't love football. Some kids it takes them a long
time to fit in to the group. They don't want
to work hard enough. The playbook's harder than they thought.
So Katie's one of the more talented players in the game.
He is Wemby before Wemby, a seven foot of the
can handible ball. Unbelievable talent, but like Aaron Rodgers, he's
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kind of a creative and he's a wanderer. And Steph
Curry and Tom Brady, in my opinion, have far less talent,
but they sacrifice, they get along with others. They're totally committed,
their laser focused and now kad Since leaving the Warriors,
seven coaches fired two playoff series wins. And I think
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I mean over the last fifteen years, I'd make an
argument most talented player to Lebron James. But Lebron James
always made much better decisions, much more business savvy about,
you know, very calculated, always a step ahead of the process.
Katie just wants the ball and I mean, look at
he can still play. He was excellent in Phoenix fifty
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three percent twenty six a game, forty three percent from
three but seven fired coaches. He's become now a really talented,
bounce around the league guy. He doesn't care. Rick Bucker
talked about this. You can bring him in, but don't
ask him to lead the franchise, even in his prime.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Just that's not who he is.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
His committed lack of relate leadership is committed. I just
want to hoop and you play. You take a player
of that talent and bring him into your team, it
just it screws up the dynamic. And I love this
dynamic of the Rockets, and yes, I do think they
need to upgrade there, but I wouldn't sacrifice that for
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a roll of the dice on a Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah I would.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
If he goes to New York, which has I think
a very strong leader in Jalen Brunson who feels like
a glue guy, not as talented as a Carmelo, but
feels much more like a giving, committed, focused elevator of others.
So Jalen Brunson to me, I don't think you always
have to be a superstar to be a great leader
of a team. I think Jalen Brunson's a great quarterback
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now in Kansas City, the quarterback's the best player. But
there are times, I mean, I mean, you could argue
Grounk was more gifted than Brady, and there were other players.
Randy Moss was, but Tom was committed, focused, elevated others.
Jalen Brunson's great for the Knicks. Katie's not a leader.
He's a shot maker, and I think they're going to
see very quickly in the playoffs in the East, the
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Knicks need another shot maker. They're going to get worked
on the pick and roll by the Caves or the Celtics.
If they play him, and they're good enough and smart
enough and constructed well enough, they'll win a playoff series.
But I think Katie works in New York and he's
already been to the city. He liked it, but don't
ask him to lead.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
That's not who he is. Like I've always said this.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
About Aaron, Aaron's more talented than a lot of guys,
but he's a unique personality. Jeter was the foundation of
the Yankees. A Rod was more talented. That's not a
knock on a rod. That's just the reality of the
personalities with that Nick Wright, the foundation of the first
things first absolute, you.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Know, not the leader night listen.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I'm like Durant, I'm the most talented guy, but Kevin
wants the leader.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I'll get you some buckets. But when it comes to.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Planning, when it comes to direction in the show, that's
Kate w And when it comes to making sure we're
on track, we have the contents of the show brew
we'd be a great basketball team. Everyone knows their role.
So I'm team KD on this. Who says the most
talented guy's got to be the leader, maybe he wants
to hang out and you know, play video games or
play poker.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's right, yeah, it eats their own.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I just show up and get buckets.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Man, good, good to see you. So I said this
about the Warriors.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
They've become a little bit the old you know, the
adults at the night club where everybody's like, who smells
like old spice?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Who doesn't fit here? The NBA's young.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
About me again, Well, the NBA's young and talented and
the warrant Butler's thirty five, Draymond's thirty five, and it's like,
if they lose to Memphis or they lose in the
first round, we gotta be honest here, it's over. Like
you have to make moves on Kaminga or maybe a Draymond.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
What if they lose tonight, Well.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
If they lose tonight, their season's over. So I mean,
that's how damaging this week was because if they lose tonight,
then all the only thing Friday will mean is did
your season end in real disgrace with three straight losses
and getting bounced in the play in for the third
time in Steph's career, Or did you get a reprieve
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to now get to face a totally rested, totally healthy
Oklahoma City team that will run you off the court
in Round one. So tonight is their biggest game of
the year because they lost their previous biggest game of
the year on Sunday, which was their biggest game because
they blew a game against the Spurs in Game eighty.
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They had no business losing. But let me say this, Colin.
There's a couple things about the Warriors I want to say,
so if we could spend a little.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
To shit on it.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
One is I owe your dear friend Draymond Green in
apology because nine years ago, Draymond Green in the Western
Conference Finals, I thought, and I alleged, maybe even on
your show, that he intentionally kicked Steven Adams in the
groin on a layup and it led to a flagrant foul,
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which then led to a suspension in the finals because
of flagrant foul points. And my argument was, no player
in league history has ever just kicked their left leg
at ninety degrees on an open layup unless they're trying
to do something. Years later, I'm proven wrong because he
did the exact same thing to blow the layup against
the Clippers. That's how they lost the game, and there
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was no one to kick.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
So Draymond, my bad on that.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Evidently that's just part of your foul baiting and ended
up partially costing him the game.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And the other thing I want.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
To say about the Warriors, who now you're talking about,
is it over.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So I think Steph.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Curry is obviously one of the greatest players of all time.
I also think that he's in this Goldilock zone of
when he's amazing, we talk about him, and when he
scores three points against the Rockets, he doesn't make shows,
and I think is really a nice spot to be
in the discourse. And he has been kind of universally
put in while he's a top ten all time player,
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and again it's in the margins, but I have him
at twelve. And I the reason I'm bringing that up
here is something happened at the end of Clippers Warriors
that has happened to Steph a bunch in his career
and everybody just accepts it.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But I think it's the barrier.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Between him and the guys who are in the top ten,
and that is he was taken off the court by
his own head coach because they wanted to go offense
defense because at the end of a game, he is
a true defensive liability. And when you look at again,
not that my list is gospel, but what I would say,
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are your twelve greatest players ever, you will notice eleven
and twelve have.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Something in common.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
The top ten don't. So if you go lebron Kareem,
Michael Magic, Russell, Wilt Duncan, Kobe Byrd.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
A team and then eleven.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Shack twelve Steph, again, that's no disrespect. You're at a yogic,
You're at a doctor Jay you're at a Moses, You're
at a Jerry West. All those guys, Shaq and Steph
are the only two guys in that all time top
twelve whose own team in huge spots. Layton games would say,
we actually want you to sit this possession.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yesh Shack.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yeah, it was because of free throws. For step it's
because of defense. And I do think that has to
be part of the story when we talk about the
guys who are in the Goat conversation, who are in
the top five, are in the top ten, and so
now that's say this, I think they might lose tonight,
in which case this last week went really, really bad
for him.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
So I have pushed back.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think it was stephen A that started this that
international players I think can't be the face of the league.
I disagree. I said this an hour ago. Connor McGregor.
The UFC was never more popular than when Connor McGregor
was the face. MESSI is now the face of the MLS,
and I mean literally breaking gate records. I would argue
Rory McElroy, who stayed with the PGA did not go
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to the Live Tour after Sunday, is the face of golf.
I would argue Ovechkin for the last twenty years is
the most discussed hockey player with a Sidney Crosby O Tawny.
He comes up the freeway. I five is the face
of baseball. My take is, if the Lakers won a
title and Lebron retired, Luca now hear me out, is
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the face of the NBA if Lebron retired, why because
they'd be a great team. He'd be a Laker. But
Luca does something that domestic players do. He trash talks fans.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
He trashed exactly right. He's us.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
He is not the international player that's polite and loyal.
He drinks beer after games. They have to take it
front of me. He's yelling at fans. I think he
is the face of the league if Lebron retired. To him,
I think international players can be.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
So I think I think international players definitely can be.
And I think that wim Beam might eventually be so
overwhelmingly great. Yeah, if he fulfills his full potential that
he will be. But I agree with you that I
think it is it is not really quite ben that,
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in my opinion, that these guys are international players. As
the hurdle. I think the hurdle for face of the league.
I don't think it's that complicated. I think that the
biggest hurdle for everyone is that Lebron and Steph won't retire.
Like Lebron has been the face of the league for
fifteen years, a depth definitively for ten arguably probably inarguably
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since he went to Miami and maybe a little bit
before that. Steph over the last seven years has kind
of become the co face of the league alongside Lebron.
No one is going to supplant those guys. So that
means Giannis's entire reign of winning MVPs and going to
the finals happened when he wasn't even eligible for facing
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the league because Lebron's there. Joker has no interest in it.
It's not because he's international. It's because I think basketball
is his second favorite sport to horse racing.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
He's just better at it. So like so, Joker's not interesting.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
But Luca has the attitude, Luca has the swagger. Luca
is polarizing. That's another important thing. Yes, you need people
to hate you, like nobody hates Giannest, nobody hates Yoki. Yeah,
there are some people that hate joker. I'm sorry that Luca,
including evidently the guy who runs the MAVs, and so
that is a mistake. And so I agree with that.
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And now getting to the Lakers and being in these
huge playoff spots, I think, yes, he is good enough.
He is has the right swagger, he is polarizing enough,
there's enough holes to poke in his game to where
he's interesting. Yeah, there is nothing better that could have
possibly happened for the league than this player coming to
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this team in this moment. And it all happened because
of the lunacy of one general manager, who, by the way,
Colin Jmack might include in the Newslater. Nico Harrison just
held an hour ago his first press conference since the
Luca trade. And you know how, I know he knows
that maybe that trade was a bad decision. He held
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a press conference with one rule, no TV cameras or microphones,
old school Penn and Pad. I'll talk to you guys,
but you're not getting it on video. So I think
he knows this is not going well.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I want to talk about something we infrequently talk about,
in fact, I'm not sure we ever have, but it
goes back to international players. Is that I think both
you and I. I like progress in sports. I like
new stuff, and I defended the Live Tour. My takeaway
is the PGA was a charity. They don't run the Masters,
they don't run the British Open, they don't run many
of the biggest events. So I was never loyal to
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the PGA. I was loyal to the players and our governments.
You know has business in the Middle East, Why can't
our golfers. I never thought the PGA treated the best
golfers with the respect they deserve. So I was for
the breakup because I'm for the athlete. And outside of
maybe the US Open at Pebble Beach and the Masters,
I don't watch for the course.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I watch for the players.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But I was watching Rory this week and I was
thinking to myself, am I into Rory or the Masters?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
And it was both, but I can't.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
The last time I was this invested emotionally engulf was
when Tiger wanted Augusta and I got super emotional. And
I was sitting there watching Rory and I'm like, wow,
like I this is a am I gonna cry here?
I was so into it and it had a little
Michael Jordan Field where I watched him for years get
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tackled by the Pistons and the Celtics. So I was
part of his journey, and I felt like I was
I found. I was like, dude, this is his seventeenth Masters,
He's gonna what was your intern I thought it was
the best five hours of television I had seen him
so long. Were you as emotionally invested?
Speaker 5 (14:47):
So yeah, so let me let me give you a
little insight into me. So Sunday, as it happened, Colin
was me and my lovely wife's anniversary. Oh and I
don't know how you spent your you know, wedding anniversary
this year, but I spent mine at a sports book
in Philadelphia with Clippers Warriors on one screen and the
Masters on the other. And because she's the greatest woman
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I've ever known.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
She understood.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
I'm like, listen, honey, I didn't I should have planned
out the wedding date better a.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Decade plus ago.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
But it's the second Sunday in April, which means occasionally
it's gonna hit ball on the Master Sunday. And I
thought that round of golf was so perfect to encapsulate
his career, which was these moments of such brilliance where
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you're like, is he the best driver of the golf
ball ever including Tiger Like?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Probably not, but.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Maybe with self inflicted stumbles. He had two of the
worst webshots I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
A professional incredible make, and.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
They were on the back nine of Sunday at Augusta.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
He tried to play thirteen.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Safe, gave himself eighty to get.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
On the green in three and put it.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
In the creek, and then despite all of that, had
a seven foot putt to win the Masters and missed that,
And despite all of that, came back and won the
thing with a as good of an approach shot as
anyone will ever have on the playoff, all at eighteen
and for again. There have been six people ever to
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complete the career Grand Slam, sarah'zen Hogan player Nicholas Woods, Rory.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Since the moon landing, twelve people have walked the Moon.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Up until Sunday, one had completed the career Grand Slam,
Tiger Woods and all those other five colin they completed
the Career Grand Slam on either their first, second or
third try at it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
For Rory to do it.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
On his dozenth attempt to finally break through and for
it not to be smooth sailing, for him to be ahead, behind,
way ahead, tied and then blow it and then win
it anyway. It's one of the greatest stories in golf history.
And when you then remember that the US Open this
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year and the PGA this year are on courses he
has historically done great access yet and the British is
in Northern Ireland, his home, so it could be a
really special year for a player who deserves it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Finally, I said this, I think we all know this.
It doesn't matter if it's a law, real estate, landscaping.
You know there's a top five or six percent. And
I said, if you in the NFL, as I'm watching
the same teams draft at the top of the NFL draft,
I said, my circle of trust is eight NFL franchises.
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They're not perfect, they miss on a receiver or a
quarterback draft and they'll overpay. But owner GM coach quarterback
Bill's Ravens, Eagles, Lions, Chiefs, Rams, Green Bay, San Francisco,
Tier two. They check a lot of boxes. But I'm
not there yet. Denver, Seattle, Chargers, Tampa. I think I
think Tampa for ten years at a good roster. Minnesota, Houston,
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Washington could go to the Tier one, but I need
one more year. Am I missing anybody here?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
So it's so I'm not so Tier one is exactly right.
I think that's really well done. I listen, Tier two.
I'm just curious, all right, is there a separate professional
football league where the Chargers win big games that I
don't have access to? Like I don't know, like hear
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I it seems like everyone in sports media gets beamed
in different Chargers seasons than me.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
For my entire life. It's like, oh, this is the year.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
They're so talented, you got to own us worthy franchises.
I don't know, man, I've just watched like the NFL
that I have. There's even a name for doing something
the Chargers do. It's called charging the NFL that I have.
We watched them hire the wrong coach, the wrong coach.
We this time they got the right coach. But even
he you know, hey, Justin Herbert, Golden arm Justin Herbert
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only throws three picks all year, throws four in a
playoff game, and they're gonna now win.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
The AFC West.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I mean, it's just so I.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Agree with Tier one I just need to figure out
I pay a lot for Sunday ticket. I need that
extra tier that gets the second version of these Charger
games that everyone else has, because I don't have it
the rest.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I like, all right, I just I knew that was
gonna be the soft spot that you attacked.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I had a feeling out.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, well exactly, you left your flank unguarded, my friend.
I apologize.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Good to see.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
First things first, my buddy Nick, right, great stuff as os.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, it's well, I like the coach and the quarterback
a lot, So there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
The and now that that Rory stuff. Was it just
I don't you know, it's it's there's been these gulfs.
So I'm I'm I got Jack Nicholas, but I got
I feel like I didn't know golf. I grew up
in a small town. We didn't have a golf course,
so I really wasn't a golfer. I knew Jack's story.
I've watched documentaries. I knew Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, Tom Kite.
You know, I knew the guys. But I do feel like,
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to a large degree, like Tiger. Not that he introduced
me to golf, but I became a big golf fan.
I had finally had a little money, I could go
golfing a nice courses, blah blah blah. So it was Tiger,
it was Phil, and then it's all of a sudden,
it's Brooks and it's and for years and years I
was told, Oh, this guy's gonna be Tiger, this guy's
gonna be Tiger, this guy's gonna be Tiger. And I
always laughed, there is no other Tiger. He's a comet,
He's one of one. But Rory's almost kind of felt
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like Europe's Tiger. The difference is Tiger's better, but Tiger
was almost robotic. If he had a lead, he never
lost it, like he was just known for years Tiger
leaves by four strokes, he'll win it by six or more.
And I think there's part of what makes ra so
attractive as a television watch is that, like Phil Mickelson,
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he can shoot his.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Way out of a lee.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I mean, this guy had a four stroke lead Sunday
and it just disappeared instantly, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Oh, no, no.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And part of what makes sports on TV great is
you don't know the outcome. Even when they went to
the playoff hole, I'm like, no, Justin Rose going in.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
This is no way. Eighteen just is no way. It's
not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I was almost hoping because I was watching it as
I was on a plane. I watched every stroke on
a plane. Literally the plane took off, first shot, plane landed,
last shot of the playoff, and I was thinking, maybe
it's better if my streaming device just goes.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Out and I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm gonna be so nothing against Justin Rose. I was
going to be so bitter. But it just I thought
it was as good as sports gets. I mean, I've
had a few Super Bowls. I felt that way where
I was watching, and I've had the World Cup matches,
the World Cup final, I felt like I was watching
some of the greatest television in the history of my life.
I've seen a couple of fights live where I felt
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that that that was as good as sports gets. It
was just so dramatic and so gripping and so tense,
and to watch Rory McElroy go to his knees and
just a waterfall of emotion, just crying in front of everybody.
And you know, athletes often say, you know, if you
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would have lost, he would have said, hey, listen, it hurts,
but an athlete doesn't want to just say out there, yeah,
like I gotta be honest with you, I don't sleep
for weeks after this. But his reaction tells you he
wouldn't have slept four weeks after that. And for him
to be that vulnerable and just I mean just go
to his knees and cry, it was like, wow, this
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is that is one of the iconic moment If you
have ten pictures of sports, if you had landed on
a spaceship down here and you're saying the Martians come
in and go what is sports? And we got We're
gonna give you a ten pictures of what sports is.
And one of them is maybe Tom Brady's first one
when he's looking around in Wonderman after his first Super Bowl,
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like what in the hell just happened. One of it's
Michael Jordan maybe switching hands in mid.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Air, another's Ali beating Liston Sonny Liston.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
The ten pictures him hitting that putt and dropping to
his knees is like wow, that is an all time
gripping emotional moment and we were all there to see it.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
He said something earlier too, that hit me that you
can't wait for the British. I wonder will you have
felt that way? Yeh, bro Okay, No, I love the British.
I mean so no, but I mean because McElroy wins
now the British.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
No. I've thought about it for two days. My three
favorite golf tournaments two or annual. One is the Masters,
the other is the British, regardless of where it's played.
I love the US Open, but I really love it
at Pebble. It's like a painting. I mean nothing against
Pinehurst or anywhere else, but when it's at Pebble, it
just feels it's such a unique part of our global
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golf landscape, right on the coast, the rocks, the water,
so much great history there. But to get that at
Augusta it took some line. When I was texting somebody
yesterday in the NFL and I said this. I said
when I watched the Michael Jordan documentary, and I've told
my kids this, I said, Michael was the best looking.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Player, the best player.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
He had David Stern and Nike behind him, and it
was just a struggle. He could never win a playoff
series without Scotty Pippen. He had the best coach he
had Scotty Pippen, and it was still hard and goodwill hunting.
Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are these two kids from Boston.
They tried to make that. They tried to get that
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over a decade of movie studios, not good enough passing.
Everybody looks at Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Oh, they
just walked out to Hollywood. They were stars. Fifteen years
of grinding in Hollywood to get goodwill hunting mate and
Rory McElroy he is the Tiger of Europe his seventeenth
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Augusta and it almost didn't happen. And I tell my
kids this all the time. I don't care when you
went to college. I don't care about your resume, the
number one quality of success in the world. Are you relentless?
Are you literally you're gonna step in it. You're gonna
be denied, You're gonna be mocked, people will be mean,
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it will be hard. Are you relentless? Can you how
do you react to failure? Because MJ failed and Ronaldo's failed,
and Messy failed a lot, and Matt Damon and Ben
Affleck got turned out. You know, remember American Idol. You
know the popular show you know, American Idol was passed
on by every American network. Fox eventually came back. It
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This is the Herd Line News. Okay, Colin, the NFL
Draft next week, can't believe it. Firing up. We've heard
a lot about.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Cam Ward being the likely number one overall pick to
tennis See. There's been some rumors and some speculation, however,
that Louisville's Tyler Schuck your guy, Colin, I know you
love him. No, could be a first round pick and
potentially better than cam Ward.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Now, I'm gonna tell you this about cam Ward.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I think he's incredibly talented, but I think the jury
remains out on him. And I say that because last
year at Washington State he leaves he's probably a fourth
or fifth round or two years ago. He's an incredit
word at FCF school. He has one very good year
at Miami, but I'm not ready to say definitively he's
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this super special prospect like we had last year at all.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, I think he's a B prospect. I think he's
the best in this class, but I don't think he's
an A prospect. He's a lot of hero ball in
backyard football. He's got a really good arm and moves well.
He's a playmaker, but I don't think he's a great prospect.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
I would argue that if we had last year's crop,
I'm not only talking about you know, Caleb May, I'm
talking about Daniels, Nicks, Panix, all those guys I think
would have been number one overall.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I agree Bo Nicks maybe not. I liked him, Sean
Payton liked him.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I think last year and the Joe Burrow class, where
you had like four or five legitimate franchise guys, this
is just this is closer to the Kenny Pickett class,
although better. And I do think there's I do think
the Louisville player and I think Kyle McCord could start
in this leagu I think Kyle's gonna end up being
really good. I think he's my sleeper. Maybe he's not,
But I think we've beaten this class up so much.
(28:44):
Don't make it the Kenny Pickett class where there there
was not a first round quarterback. These guys are draftable,
they're all first All these guys that are getting talked,
even Jalen Milroll, who's very mechanical at worst, is deep
second round pay He's a late second round pick at worst.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Yeah, I think what War two going to a system
like Tennessee with not only Brian Callahan but his dad.
You get a really good offensive line and you build
around him. But the expectation I don't think should be cam.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Ward's the savior.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I think they're really this is not the time type
of guy like a Caleb Where was a definitive super super.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
It's not that you're totally right.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Okay. Sticking with the draft, the Panthers currently hold the
eighth overall pick, but reports indicate they're open. It's trading
down and it sets up the potential for a team
to come in and snag should or Sanders ahead of
the Saints. Now, in terms of teams mentioned who could
trade up. I wonder if a Pittsburgh is potentially the target.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
They're twenty one right now.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
If Pittsburgh doesn't get Aaron Rodgers, or even if they
do get Aaron Rodgers. If you're Mike Tomlin, if you're
Omar collin the GM, do you look at it and say,
you know what, maybe twenty one isn't where we need
to be. Maybe we need to get up into the teams.
Maybe we need to get up to eight ahead of
New Orleans. At Pittsburgh's got a really good roster. They
have two star.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Receivers, they have o linemen they like, although they could
use a left tackle, they could use a running back.
But it's a rich draft. They've got their tight end,
two receivers, their rush end, interior lineman. Pittsburgh's got a
star safety. Pittsburgh is what Seattle was a couple of
years ago. Remember a couple of years ago, I said, Seahawks,
I love you, John Snyder, go get a quarterback your
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roster set. I think Pittsburgh's roster today is better than
the Seahawks two years ago. To me, Pittsburgh, I mean,
they don't have a quarterback, and it's mid April, and
Aaron's not going to go there and Russ is gone,
So you know, to me, if your scouting department, I mean,
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Shade Ra Sanders is a much much better prospect than
Kenny Pickett, much better. I think Kenny Pickett is more
in the Kenny Pickett is much closer to Kyle McCord.
And I think Kyle McCord is much better than Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
As I've had a.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
GM tell me that Kyle McCord is a very solid
mid to late second round pick.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yeah, I had someone who I trust tell me that
if you bring in Shador Sanders to Pittsburgh, he actually
is exactly what an Arthur Smith would like because he's
gonna do exactly, yeah, what you're supposed to do. He's
going to play in the pocket, he's going to run
your offense. And I've said this, I think Chador is
probably further along than people realize in the sense that
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he's played a lot of football. Jackson Colorado won a
lot of games, has not had great offensive line play.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
If you look at the history of the NFL franchise quarterbacks,
Peyton Manning is rare. Number one high schooler, number one college,
number one pick star. There's usually a very bumpy process.
It is not Linny oh yeah, you fall in the draft,
you go to a junior college, Mahomes loses in college
and if shadur no run game battle line, losing record,
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running for his life. But he did play well against
the better teams. So when he had the second best
roster in college, against much better teams, he was very productive.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Jackson Dart beat up on Furman.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
But when he played Georgia and Alabama and miss Ole,
miss has you know, fifteen NFL body's minimum.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
On that roster.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
He didn't play very well. So I am I think
shadur is is. I think Cam is appropriately slotted. I
think Chadeer is better than advertised. And then I think
a lot of these guys aren't as good as people think.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Yeah, we discussed Tennessee's decision to move on from nikoah
oh yeah, uh to move on from him yesterday after
his nil hold out. So he's reportedly entering the transfer portal,
and many believe that Belichick's Bill Belichick's Tar Hills could
be a potential landing spot. Yeah, you know, there is
(32:56):
a report now saying that he's that Carolina is out
on him. The two schools that have been linked to
him the most, Ucla and Tulane.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Who quarterback with the Duke.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, Ucla can't afford him.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I know that he's the key.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
They have to go to the well and really pony
up the money, which they really haven't done.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
No. No, I mean they spend about four million dollars
in basketball, but UCLA doesn't have that kind of money.
He could play if Oregon wanted him, although I don't
think they do. He is in the price range of
about seven schools one of them, USC, one of them, Oregon,
Ohio State, Georgia, Texas See.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
I see USC, and that's the one that makes sense
to me. It makes sense from where he's from. They've
done really well with quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
No, he listened.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
People are banging on this kid that they didn't have
any talent. No, he's really talented. I watched him play
five times. He's not quite refined enough, and Tennessee was
more of a defensive program, size arm movement, and he absolutely.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Sees the field. But he's young.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
The times that he looked overwhelmed, well guess what. Tennessee's
program was overwhelmed, but it played Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Well, it wasn't just him. So I think he's really talented.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I think he's gonna get I think on the market
he'll get three to three and a half. I don't
think he's gonna get four. But I would be surprised
if USC's not making a Runjeva.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
I believe could be the guy that saves the job
of the USC head coach, who I know you've loved well.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I like Lincoln Ryan Riley. His contract is to dynamic.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
I think, but he has to win this year. If
Lincoln Riley doesn't win this year. Even with this buyout,
there's been a lot of speculation that USC would move on,
So why not bring in a quarterback who we both believe,
with the right type of season, could be a first
round pick.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well, what's funny is the last several years I liked
USC's quarterbacks but didn't love the roster. Currently I like
USC's roster a lot, and I don't love the quarterback.
So it's very interesting now they probably already paid. I mean,
I guarantee you USC has snipped around this this idea
of the kid's not talented. Yes he is, size, mobility,
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armstraint all there.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
He's just a kid. Again, look at cam Ward's growth
in the last two years.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
The guys, these guys are twenty years old, are not
thirty four year old guys.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
And also for someone like Nico, if he goes to
a system like USC, which has produced a ton of
NFL quarterbacks, and he goes to Lincoln Riley, who's coach
to Caleb Williams, why wouldn't it succeed?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I feel like that's the perfect fit. There's been a
lot of talk about UCLA.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
They had never spent money on their football it's only
a basketball school.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
No, yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
UCLA to this point is not in the same class
as Oregon, Georgia, Texas, Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
USC. For money, USC has really stepped it up in
the last six months.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
Yeah, and I aw wise, Okay, Colin, this is that's it. Actually,
I have four sip slips of paper.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Here we go to the NBA.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Kawhi and the Clippers have been impressive, winning thirteen in
their last fifteen games, locking up the fifth seed in
the West. The Clippers rise, there's potential for a class
in LA Class in LA down the line in the
Western Conference finals with the Lakers. With that said, former
NBA point guard Jeff Teek talked about the potential matchup
of superstar.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Duos all right now because Bron fifty, I ain't saying
Kawhi can guard Luka. James and Luca kind of cancel
each other. Obviously Luca better because he's younger, he can
do more. But like they both don't get you, they
can get you similar stats to give he gonna. I'll
do Brown right now, playoff verse forty forty year old Bron,
(36:43):
I'm rolling.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I'm rolling with Kawhi.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
No, yeah, I still don't necessarily trust Kawai's knee, but
when Kawhi goes, when Kawhi is healthy, and remember in
the playoffs, everybody gets equal rest. I also think the
Clippers got played really well down the stretch and regular
season Harden hasn't always delivered in the postseason, Kawhi's health
is a question. So I think, not that it's fools goal,
(37:08):
but I think a little bit of the Clippers late surge.
I'll believe it when I see it, as let's get
to a seven game series and see if everybody is
there physically.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
And trusting the Clippers is a ridiculous idea. I mean,
not only has it Harden never delivered, but we have
been waiting for Kawhi to show up.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
He shows up thirteen and two.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
He's averaging twenty seven points a game, shooting fifty five ers.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
He's been the best player in the league the last
six weeks.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
But to trust the Clippers against Jokic, we trust more
than anyone and we know.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Will show up. Yeah, come on, that's blasphemy. I don't
see it.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Clippers fans have been they know the rungs gonna be
pulled out.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
It's a matter of late season regular season NBA.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
We all know this.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Half the teams are tanking and another half are often
resting their players for the playoffs. So you get into
it last fifteen games of the regular season, and you're
trying to play for seating and every other night you're
playing a tanking team or a team that didn't have
much to play for. Now, the win Sunday was impressive,
but it's like slow down. You see a lot of
these late season NBA playoff streaks or winning streaks. Hey,
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every other night you're playing a tanking team or a
team resting stars.
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Shordan with a news.
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You know, I was thinking about football this morning. Is
that football is so gripping and there's a scarcity of it.
Right you get a game every Sunday or a game
every Saturday. Mostly is that you never have to look
backwards when an NFL player retires, unless they're very active,
like Brady comes to Fox. Troy Aikman is a broadcaster,
(41:02):
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production Saturday Night Life. Unless a player's front and center,
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to Mississippi, they kind of you don't hear from him much.
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We don't look backwards.
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In the NFL, baseball very much about history and basketball
like international soccer, it's about iconic players, branding iconic moments,
the shoes they wear. And I saw today the ten
top ten most viewed players this year by a mile,
it's Lebron and Steph Curry Lucas third by a mile.
(41:38):
I mean, Jason Tatum is going to play probably back
to back championships, and he has basically one fifth of
Lebron's views, in one quarter of.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Steps views.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
And then if you go to the Jersey sales, Luca
first time ever international player, leads it, but Steph's two
and Lebron's three, and again, football is not about history
or records or style. Basketball is you say, Michael Jordan.
You think the tongue out, the diamond earrings, the six
(42:11):
for six, the style, the switching hands, the shrug against
the Blazers when he hits another three, you think Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
You think winner. How many Super Bowls? Is a six?
Is a seven? We got one in Tampa?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
How many?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
It's not about records. Football is about Sunday, who is
winning and who is playing Sunday. If the Chiefs and
Bills meet in Week nine, it will get a bigger
rating than the World Series or NBA Final game. That's
just the reality of it. So I don't think this
is a criticism of the NBA. It's still Lebron and Steph.
Michael Jordan still sells more shoes Michigan football wears the
(42:49):
Jumpman logo. Jordan is still the brand in athletics, I
think in the world. He's been gone for a long
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Jordan Schultzen for j Mac, Joe Klatten hour from now,
Nick Wright in five minutes. So I was thinking about this.
I got a lot to talk about with Nick right here.
I was thinking about this. So the Suns fired their
coach during our show yesterday. Mike Budenholzer never thought it
was a great fit. Run in Milwaukee, down run in Phoenix.
(00:51):
He and Katie had issues. He and Bradley Beal had issues.
Weirdly constructed, they rolled the dice. I appreciate the swing
by Matt Eshbia, but in the and it just didn't work,
especially the bell part didn't work at all. But it
goes to show you a lot about Kevin Durant. So
the NBA and pro sports is a lot more than
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just talent. I see this all the time. I talk
to nflgm is about this all the time. Some kids
don't love football. Some kids it takes them a long
time to fit in to the group. They don't want
to work hard enough. The playbook's harder than they thought.
So Katie's one of the more talented players in the game.
He is Wemby before Wemby, a seven foot of the
can handible ball. Unbelievable talent, but like Aaron Rodgers, he's
(01:37):
kind of a creative and he's a wanderer. And Steph
Curry and Tom Brady, in my opinion, have far less talent,
but they sacrifice, they get along with others. They're totally committed,
their laser focused and now kad Since leaving the Warriors,
seven coaches fired two playoff series wins. And I think
(01:57):
I mean over the last fifteen years, I'd make an
argument most talented player to Lebron James. But Lebron James
always made much better decisions, much more business savvy about,
you know, very calculated, always a step ahead of the process.
Katie just wants the ball and I mean, look at
he can still play. He was excellent in Phoenix fifty
(02:19):
three percent twenty six a game, forty three percent from
three but seven fired coaches. He's become now a really talented,
bounce around the league guy. He doesn't care. Rick Bucker
talked about this. You can bring him in, but don't
ask him to lead the franchise, even in his prime.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Just that's not who he is.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
His committed lack of relate leadership is committed. I just
want to hoop and you play. You take a player
of that talent and bring him into your team, it
just it screws up the dynamic. And I love this
dynamic of the Rockets, and yes, I do think they
need to upgrade there, but I wouldn't sacrifice that for
(03:02):
a roll of the dice on a Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah I would.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
If he goes to New York, which has I think
a very strong leader in Jalen Brunson who feels like
a glue guy, not as talented as a Carmelo, but
feels much more like a giving, committed, focused elevator of others.
So Jalen Brunson to me, I don't think you always
have to be a superstar to be a great leader
of a team. I think Jalen Brunson's a great quarterback
(03:28):
now in Kansas City, the quarterback's the best player. But
there are times, I mean, I mean, you could argue
Grounk was more gifted than Brady, and there were other players.
Randy Moss was, but Tom was committed, focused, elevated others.
Jalen Brunson's great for the Knicks. Katie's not a leader.
He's a shot maker, and I think they're going to
see very quickly in the playoffs in the East, the
(03:50):
Knicks need another shot maker. They're going to get worked
on the pick and roll by the Caves or the Celtics.
If they play him, and they're good enough and smart
enough and constructed well enough, they'll win a playoff series.
But I think Katie works in New York and he's
already been to the city. He liked it, but don't
ask him to lead.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
That's not who he is. Like I've always said this.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
About Aaron, Aaron's more talented than a lot of guys,
but he's a unique personality. Jeter was the foundation of
the Yankees. A Rod was more talented. That's not a
knock on a rod. That's just the reality of the
personalities with that Nick Wright, the foundation of the first
things first absolute, you.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Know, not the leader night listen.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I'm like Durant, I'm the most talented guy, but Kevin
wants the leader.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I'll get you some buckets. But when it comes to.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Planning, when it comes to direction in the show, that's
Kate w And when it comes to making sure we're
on track, we have the contents of the show brew
we'd be a great basketball team. Everyone knows their role.
So I'm team KD on this. Who says the most
talented guy's got to be the leader, maybe he wants
to hang out and you know, play video games or
play poker.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's right, yeah, it eats their own.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I just show up and get buckets.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Man, good, good to see you. So I said this
about the Warriors.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
They've become a little bit the old you know, the
adults at the night club where everybody's like, who smells
like old spice?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Who doesn't fit here? The NBA's young.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
About me again, Well, the NBA's young and talented and
the warrant Butler's thirty five, Draymond's thirty five, and it's like,
if they lose to Memphis or they lose in the
first round, we gotta be honest here, it's over. Like
you have to make moves on Kaminga or maybe a Draymond.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
What if they lose tonight, Well.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
If they lose tonight, their season's over. So I mean,
that's how damaging this week was because if they lose tonight,
then all the only thing Friday will mean is did
your season end in real disgrace with three straight losses
and getting bounced in the play in for the third
time in Steph's career, Or did you get a reprieve
(05:55):
to now get to face a totally rested, totally healthy
Oklahoma City team that will run you off the court
in Round one. So tonight is their biggest game of
the year because they lost their previous biggest game of
the year on Sunday, which was their biggest game because
they blew a game against the Spurs in Game eighty.
(06:15):
They had no business losing. But let me say this, Colin.
There's a couple things about the Warriors I want to say,
so if we could spend a little.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
To shit on it.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
One is I owe your dear friend Draymond Green in
apology because nine years ago, Draymond Green in the Western
Conference Finals, I thought, and I alleged, maybe even on
your show, that he intentionally kicked Steven Adams in the
groin on a layup and it led to a flagrant foul,
(06:45):
which then led to a suspension in the finals because
of flagrant foul points. And my argument was, no player
in league history has ever just kicked their left leg
at ninety degrees on an open layup unless they're trying
to do something. Years later, I'm proven wrong because he
did the exact same thing to blow the layup against
the Clippers. That's how they lost the game, and there
(07:08):
was no one to kick.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
So Draymond, my bad on that.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Evidently that's just part of your foul baiting and ended
up partially costing him the game.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And the other thing I want.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
To say about the Warriors, who now you're talking about,
is it over.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So I think Steph.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Curry is obviously one of the greatest players of all time.
I also think that he's in this Goldilock zone of
when he's amazing, we talk about him, and when he
scores three points against the Rockets, he doesn't make shows,
and I think is really a nice spot to be
in the discourse. And he has been kind of universally
put in while he's a top ten all time player,
(07:45):
and again it's in the margins, but I have him
at twelve. And I the reason I'm bringing that up
here is something happened at the end of Clippers Warriors
that has happened to Steph a bunch in his career
and everybody just accepts it.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But I think it's the barrier.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Between him and the guys who are in the top ten,
and that is he was taken off the court by
his own head coach because they wanted to go offense
defense because at the end of a game, he is
a true defensive liability. And when you look at again,
not that my list is gospel, but what I would say,
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are your twelve greatest players ever, you will notice eleven
and twelve have.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Something in common.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
The top ten don't. So if you go lebron Kareem,
Michael Magic, Russell, Wilt Duncan, Kobe Byrd.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
A team and then eleven.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Shack twelve Steph, again, that's no disrespect. You're at a yogic,
You're at a doctor Jay you're at a Moses, You're
at a Jerry West. All those guys, Shaq and Steph
are the only two guys in that all time top
twelve whose own team in huge spots. Layton games would say,
we actually want you to sit this possession.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yesh Shack.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yeah, it was because of free throws. For step it's
because of defense. And I do think that has to
be part of the story when we talk about the
guys who are in the Goat conversation, who are in
the top five, are in the top ten, and so
now that's say this, I think they might lose tonight,
in which case this last week went really, really bad
for him.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
So I have pushed back.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think it was stephen A that started this that
international players I think can't be the face of the league.
I disagree. I said this an hour ago. Connor McGregor.
The UFC was never more popular than when Connor McGregor
was the face. MESSI is now the face of the MLS,
and I mean literally breaking gate records. I would argue
Rory McElroy, who stayed with the PGA did not go
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to the Live Tour after Sunday, is the face of golf.
I would argue Ovechkin for the last twenty years is
the most discussed hockey player with a Sidney Crosby O Tawny.
He comes up the freeway. I five is the face
of baseball. My take is, if the Lakers won a
title and Lebron retired, Luca now hear me out, is
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the face of the NBA if Lebron retired, why because
they'd be a great team. He'd be a Laker. But
Luca does something that domestic players do. He trash talks fans.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
He trashed exactly right. He's us.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
He is not the international player that's polite and loyal.
He drinks beer after games. They have to take it
front of me. He's yelling at fans. I think he
is the face of the league if Lebron retired. To him,
I think international players can be.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
So I think I think international players definitely can be.
And I think that wim Beam might eventually be so
overwhelmingly great. Yeah, if he fulfills his full potential that
he will be. But I agree with you that I
think it is it is not really quite ben that,
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in my opinion, that these guys are international players. As
the hurdle. I think the hurdle for face of the league.
I don't think it's that complicated. I think that the
biggest hurdle for everyone is that Lebron and Steph won't retire.
Like Lebron has been the face of the league for
fifteen years, a depth definitively for ten arguably probably inarguably
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since he went to Miami and maybe a little bit
before that. Steph over the last seven years has kind
of become the co face of the league alongside Lebron.
No one is going to supplant those guys. So that
means Giannis's entire reign of winning MVPs and going to
the finals happened when he wasn't even eligible for facing
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the league because Lebron's there. Joker has no interest in it.
It's not because he's international. It's because I think basketball
is his second favorite sport to horse racing.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
He's just better at it. So like so, Joker's not interesting.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
But Luca has the attitude, Luca has the swagger. Luca
is polarizing. That's another important thing. Yes, you need people
to hate you, like nobody hates Giannest, nobody hates Yoki. Yeah,
there are some people that hate joker. I'm sorry that Luca,
including evidently the guy who runs the MAVs, and so
that is a mistake. And so I agree with that.
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And now getting to the Lakers and being in these
huge playoff spots, I think, yes, he is good enough.
He is has the right swagger, he is polarizing enough,
there's enough holes to poke in his game to where
he's interesting. Yeah, there is nothing better that could have
possibly happened for the league than this player coming to
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this team in this moment. And it all happened because
of the lunacy of one general manager, who, by the way,
Colin Jmack might include in the Newslater. Nico Harrison just
held an hour ago his first press conference since the
Luca trade. And you know how, I know he knows
that maybe that trade was a bad decision. He held
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a press conference with one rule, no TV cameras or microphones,
old school Penn and Pad. I'll talk to you guys,
but you're not getting it on video. So I think
he knows this is not going well.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I want to talk about something we infrequently talk about,
in fact, I'm not sure we ever have, but it
goes back to international players. Is that I think both
you and I. I like progress in sports. I like
new stuff, and I defended the Live Tour. My takeaway
is the PGA was a charity. They don't run the Masters,
they don't run the British Open, they don't run many
of the biggest events. So I was never loyal to
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the PGA. I was loyal to the players and our governments.
You know has business in the Middle East, Why can't
our golfers. I never thought the PGA treated the best
golfers with the respect they deserve. So I was for
the breakup because I'm for the athlete. And outside of
maybe the US Open at Pebble Beach and the Masters,
I don't watch for the course.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I watch for the players.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But I was watching Rory this week and I was
thinking to myself, am I into Rory or the Masters?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
And it was both, but I can't.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
The last time I was this invested emotionally engulf was
when Tiger wanted Augusta and I got super emotional. And
I was sitting there watching Rory and I'm like, wow,
like I this is a am I gonna cry here?
I was so into it and it had a little
Michael Jordan Field where I watched him for years get
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tackled by the Pistons and the Celtics. So I was
part of his journey, and I felt like I was
I found. I was like, dude, this is his seventeenth Masters,
He's gonna what was your intern I thought it was
the best five hours of television I had seen him
so long. Were you as emotionally invested?
Speaker 5 (14:47):
So yeah, so let me let me give you a
little insight into me. So Sunday, as it happened, Colin
was me and my lovely wife's anniversary. Oh and I
don't know how you spent your you know, wedding anniversary
this year, but I spent mine at a sports book
in Philadelphia with Clippers Warriors on one screen and the
Masters on the other. And because she's the greatest woman
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I've ever known.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
She understood.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
I'm like, listen, honey, I didn't I should have planned
out the wedding date better a.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Decade plus ago.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
But it's the second Sunday in April, which means occasionally
it's gonna hit ball on the Master Sunday. And I
thought that round of golf was so perfect to encapsulate
his career, which was these moments of such brilliance where
(15:40):
you're like, is he the best driver of the golf
ball ever including Tiger Like?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Probably not, but.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Maybe with self inflicted stumbles. He had two of the
worst webshots I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
A professional incredible make, and.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
They were on the back nine of Sunday at Augusta.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
He tried to play thirteen.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Safe, gave himself eighty to get.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
On the green in three and put it.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
In the creek, and then despite all of that, had
a seven foot putt to win the Masters and missed that,
And despite all of that, came back and won the
thing with a as good of an approach shot as
anyone will ever have on the playoff, all at eighteen
and for again. There have been six people ever to
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complete the career Grand Slam, sarah'zen Hogan player Nicholas Woods, Rory.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Since the moon landing, twelve people have walked the Moon.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Up until Sunday, one had completed the career Grand Slam,
Tiger Woods and all those other five colin they completed
the Career Grand Slam on either their first, second or
third try at it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
For Rory to do it.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
On his dozenth attempt to finally break through and for
it not to be smooth sailing, for him to be ahead, behind,
way ahead, tied and then blow it and then win
it anyway. It's one of the greatest stories in golf history.
And when you then remember that the US Open this
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year and the PGA this year are on courses he
has historically done great access yet and the British is
in Northern Ireland, his home, so it could be a
really special year for a player who deserves it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Finally, I said this, I think we all know this.
It doesn't matter if it's a law, real estate, landscaping.
You know there's a top five or six percent. And
I said, if you in the NFL, as I'm watching
the same teams draft at the top of the NFL draft,
I said, my circle of trust is eight NFL franchises.
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They're not perfect, they miss on a receiver or a
quarterback draft and they'll overpay. But owner GM coach quarterback
Bill's Ravens, Eagles, Lions, Chiefs, Rams, Green Bay, San Francisco,
Tier two. They check a lot of boxes. But I'm
not there yet. Denver, Seattle, Chargers, Tampa. I think I
think Tampa for ten years at a good roster. Minnesota, Houston,
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Washington could go to the Tier one, but I need
one more year. Am I missing anybody here?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
So it's so I'm not so Tier one is exactly right.
I think that's really well done. I listen, Tier two.
I'm just curious, all right, is there a separate professional
football league where the Chargers win big games that I
don't have access to? Like I don't know, like hear
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I it seems like everyone in sports media gets beamed
in different Chargers seasons than me.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
For my entire life. It's like, oh, this is the year.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
They're so talented, you got to own us worthy franchises.
I don't know, man, I've just watched like the NFL
that I have. There's even a name for doing something
the Chargers do. It's called charging the NFL that I have.
We watched them hire the wrong coach, the wrong coach.
We this time they got the right coach. But even
he you know, hey, Justin Herbert, Golden arm Justin Herbert
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only throws three picks all year, throws four in a
playoff game, and they're gonna now win.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
The AFC West.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I mean, it's just so I.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Agree with Tier one I just need to figure out
I pay a lot for Sunday ticket. I need that
extra tier that gets the second version of these Charger
games that everyone else has, because I don't have it
the rest.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I like, all right, I just I knew that was
gonna be the soft spot that you attacked.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I had a feeling out.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, well exactly, you left your flank unguarded, my friend.
I apologize.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Good to see.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
First things first, my buddy Nick, right, great stuff as os.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, it's well, I like the coach and the quarterback
a lot, So there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
The and now that that Rory stuff. Was it just
I don't you know, it's it's there's been these gulfs.
So I'm I'm I got Jack Nicholas, but I got
I feel like I didn't know golf. I grew up
in a small town. We didn't have a golf course,
so I really wasn't a golfer. I knew Jack's story.
I've watched documentaries. I knew Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, Tom Kite.
You know, I knew the guys. But I do feel like,
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to a large degree, like Tiger. Not that he introduced
me to golf, but I became a big golf fan.
I had finally had a little money, I could go
golfing a nice courses, blah blah blah. So it was Tiger,
it was Phil, and then it's all of a sudden,
it's Brooks and it's and for years and years I
was told, Oh, this guy's gonna be Tiger, this guy's
gonna be Tiger, this guy's gonna be Tiger. And I
always laughed, there is no other Tiger. He's a comet,
He's one of one. But Rory's almost kind of felt
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like Europe's Tiger. The difference is Tiger's better, but Tiger
was almost robotic. If he had a lead, he never
lost it, like he was just known for years Tiger
leaves by four strokes, he'll win it by six or more.
And I think there's part of what makes ra so
attractive as a television watch is that, like Phil Mickelson,
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he can shoot his.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Way out of a lee.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I mean, this guy had a four stroke lead Sunday
and it just disappeared instantly, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Oh, no, no.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And part of what makes sports on TV great is
you don't know the outcome. Even when they went to
the playoff hole, I'm like, no, Justin Rose going in.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
This is no way. Eighteen just is no way. It's
not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I was almost hoping because I was watching it as
I was on a plane. I watched every stroke on
a plane. Literally the plane took off, first shot, plane landed,
last shot of the playoff, and I was thinking, maybe
it's better if my streaming device just goes.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Out and I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm gonna be so nothing against Justin Rose. I was
going to be so bitter. But it just I thought
it was as good as sports gets. I mean, I've
had a few Super Bowls. I felt that way where
I was watching, and I've had the World Cup matches,
the World Cup final, I felt like I was watching
some of the greatest television in the history of my life.
I've seen a couple of fights live where I felt
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that that that was as good as sports gets. It
was just so dramatic and so gripping and so tense,
and to watch Rory McElroy go to his knees and
just a waterfall of emotion, just crying in front of everybody.
And you know, athletes often say, you know, if you
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would have lost, he would have said, hey, listen, it hurts,
but an athlete doesn't want to just say out there, yeah,
like I gotta be honest with you, I don't sleep
for weeks after this. But his reaction tells you he
wouldn't have slept four weeks after that. And for him
to be that vulnerable and just I mean just go
to his knees and cry, it was like, wow, this
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is that is one of the iconic moment If you
have ten pictures of sports, if you had landed on
a spaceship down here and you're saying the Martians come
in and go what is sports? And we got We're
gonna give you a ten pictures of what sports is.
And one of them is maybe Tom Brady's first one
when he's looking around in Wonderman after his first Super Bowl,
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like what in the hell just happened. One of it's
Michael Jordan maybe switching hands in mid.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Air, another's Ali beating Liston Sonny Liston.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
The ten pictures him hitting that putt and dropping to
his knees is like wow, that is an all time
gripping emotional moment and we were all there to see it.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
He said something earlier too, that hit me that you
can't wait for the British. I wonder will you have
felt that way? Yeh, bro Okay, No, I love the British.
I mean so no, but I mean because McElroy wins
now the British.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
No. I've thought about it for two days. My three
favorite golf tournaments two or annual. One is the Masters,
the other is the British, regardless of where it's played.
I love the US Open, but I really love it
at Pebble. It's like a painting. I mean nothing against
Pinehurst or anywhere else, but when it's at Pebble, it
just feels it's such a unique part of our global
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golf landscape, right on the coast, the rocks, the water,
so much great history there. But to get that at
Augusta it took some line. When I was texting somebody
yesterday in the NFL and I said this. I said
when I watched the Michael Jordan documentary, and I've told
my kids this, I said, Michael was the best looking.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Player, the best player.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
He had David Stern and Nike behind him, and it
was just a struggle. He could never win a playoff
series without Scotty Pippen. He had the best coach he
had Scotty Pippen, and it was still hard and goodwill hunting.
Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are these two kids from Boston.
They tried to make that. They tried to get that
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over a decade of movie studios, not good enough passing.
Everybody looks at Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Oh, they
just walked out to Hollywood. They were stars. Fifteen years
of grinding in Hollywood to get goodwill hunting mate and
Rory McElroy he is the Tiger of Europe his seventeenth
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Augusta and it almost didn't happen. And I tell my
kids this all the time. I don't care when you
went to college. I don't care about your resume, the
number one quality of success in the world. Are you relentless?
Are you literally you're gonna step in it. You're gonna
be denied, You're gonna be mocked, people will be mean,
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it will be hard. Are you relentless? Can you how
do you react to failure? Because MJ failed and Ronaldo's failed,
and Messy failed a lot, and Matt Damon and Ben
Affleck got turned out. You know, remember American Idol. You
know the popular show you know, American Idol was passed
on by every American network. Fox eventually came back. It
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was a fifteen year hit or whatever it was. Initially
people weren't willing to take a risk. Now, that's not
gonna work here in the States.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
It was huge in Britain. It's not gonna work here.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Success is hard, and success at the highest levels, even
if you're a prodigy, is so incredibly difficult. The thing
that burrows through is it when you went to college,
or your agent or your connections, are you relentless?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
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This is the Herd Line News. Okay, Colin, the NFL
Draft next week, can't believe it. Firing up. We've heard
a lot about.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Cam Ward being the likely number one overall pick to
tennis See. There's been some rumors and some speculation, however,
that Louisville's Tyler Schuck your guy, Colin, I know you
love him. No, could be a first round pick and
potentially better than cam Ward.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Now, I'm gonna tell you this about cam Ward.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I think he's incredibly talented, but I think the jury
remains out on him. And I say that because last
year at Washington State he leaves he's probably a fourth
or fifth round or two years ago. He's an incredit
word at FCF school. He has one very good year
at Miami, but I'm not ready to say definitively he's
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this super special prospect like we had last year at all.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, I think he's a B prospect. I think he's
the best in this class, but I don't think he's
an A prospect. He's a lot of hero ball in
backyard football. He's got a really good arm and moves well.
He's a playmaker, but I don't think he's a great prospect.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
I would argue that if we had last year's crop,
I'm not only talking about you know, Caleb May, I'm
talking about Daniels, Nicks, Panix, all those guys I think
would have been number one overall.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I agree Bo Nicks maybe not. I liked him, Sean
Payton liked him.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I think last year and the Joe Burrow class, where
you had like four or five legitimate franchise guys, this
is just this is closer to the Kenny Pickett class,
although better. And I do think there's I do think
the Louisville player and I think Kyle McCord could start
in this leagu I think Kyle's gonna end up being
really good. I think he's my sleeper. Maybe he's not,
But I think we've beaten this class up so much.
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Don't make it the Kenny Pickett class where there there
was not a first round quarterback. These guys are draftable,
they're all first All these guys that are getting talked,
even Jalen Milroll, who's very mechanical at worst, is deep
second round pay He's a late second round pick at worst.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Yeah, I think what War two going to a system
like Tennessee with not only Brian Callahan but his dad.
You get a really good offensive line and you build
around him. But the expectation I don't think should be cam.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Ward's the savior.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I think they're really this is not the time type
of guy like a Caleb Where was a definitive super super.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
It's not that you're totally right.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Okay. Sticking with the draft, the Panthers currently hold the
eighth overall pick, but reports indicate they're open. It's trading
down and it sets up the potential for a team
to come in and snag should or Sanders ahead of
the Saints. Now, in terms of teams mentioned who could
trade up. I wonder if a Pittsburgh is potentially the target.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
They're twenty one right now.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
If Pittsburgh doesn't get Aaron Rodgers, or even if they
do get Aaron Rodgers. If you're Mike Tomlin, if you're
Omar collin the GM, do you look at it and say,
you know what, maybe twenty one isn't where we need
to be. Maybe we need to get up into the teams.
Maybe we need to get up to eight ahead of
New Orleans. At Pittsburgh's got a really good roster. They
have two star.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Receivers, they have o linemen they like, although they could
use a left tackle, they could use a running back.
But it's a rich draft. They've got their tight end,
two receivers, their rush end, interior lineman. Pittsburgh's got a
star safety. Pittsburgh is what Seattle was a couple of
years ago. Remember a couple of years ago, I said, Seahawks,
I love you, John Snyder, go get a quarterback your
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roster set. I think Pittsburgh's roster today is better than
the Seahawks two years ago. To me, Pittsburgh, I mean,
they don't have a quarterback, and it's mid April, and
Aaron's not going to go there and Russ is gone,
So you know, to me, if your scouting department, I mean,
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Shade Ra Sanders is a much much better prospect than
Kenny Pickett, much better. I think Kenny Pickett is more
in the Kenny Pickett is much closer to Kyle McCord.
And I think Kyle McCord is much better than Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
As I've had a.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
GM tell me that Kyle McCord is a very solid
mid to late second round pick.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yeah, I had someone who I trust tell me that
if you bring in Shador Sanders to Pittsburgh, he actually
is exactly what an Arthur Smith would like because he's
gonna do exactly, yeah, what you're supposed to do. He's
going to play in the pocket, he's going to run
your offense. And I've said this, I think Chador is
probably further along than people realize in the sense that
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he's played a lot of football. Jackson Colorado won a
lot of games, has not had great offensive line play.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
If you look at the history of the NFL franchise quarterbacks,
Peyton Manning is rare. Number one high schooler, number one college,
number one pick star. There's usually a very bumpy process.
It is not Linny oh yeah, you fall in the draft,
you go to a junior college, Mahomes loses in college
and if shadur no run game battle line, losing record,
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running for his life. But he did play well against
the better teams. So when he had the second best
roster in college, against much better teams, he was very productive.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Jackson Dart beat up on Furman.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
But when he played Georgia and Alabama and miss Ole,
miss has you know, fifteen NFL body's minimum.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
On that roster.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
He didn't play very well. So I am I think
shadur is is. I think Cam is appropriately slotted. I
think Chadeer is better than advertised. And then I think
a lot of these guys aren't as good as people think.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Yeah, we discussed Tennessee's decision to move on from nikoah
oh yeah, uh to move on from him yesterday after
his nil hold out. So he's reportedly entering the transfer portal,
and many believe that Belichick's Bill Belichick's Tar Hills could
be a potential landing spot. Yeah, you know, there is
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a report now saying that he's that Carolina is out
on him. The two schools that have been linked to
him the most, Ucla and Tulane.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Who quarterback with the Duke.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, Ucla can't afford him.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I know that he's the key.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
They have to go to the well and really pony
up the money, which they really haven't done.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
No. No, I mean they spend about four million dollars
in basketball, but UCLA doesn't have that kind of money.
He could play if Oregon wanted him, although I don't
think they do. He is in the price range of
about seven schools one of them, USC, one of them, Oregon,
Ohio State, Georgia, Texas See.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
I see USC, and that's the one that makes sense
to me. It makes sense from where he's from. They've
done really well with quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
No, he listened.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
People are banging on this kid that they didn't have
any talent. No, he's really talented. I watched him play
five times. He's not quite refined enough, and Tennessee was
more of a defensive program, size arm movement, and he absolutely.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Sees the field. But he's young.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
The times that he looked overwhelmed, well guess what. Tennessee's
program was overwhelmed, but it played Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Well, it wasn't just him. So I think he's really talented.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I think he's gonna get I think on the market
he'll get three to three and a half. I don't
think he's gonna get four. But I would be surprised
if USC's not making a Runjeva.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
I believe could be the guy that saves the job
of the USC head coach, who I know you've loved well.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I like Lincoln Ryan Riley. His contract is to dynamic.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
I think, but he has to win this year. If
Lincoln Riley doesn't win this year. Even with this buyout,
there's been a lot of speculation that USC would move on,
So why not bring in a quarterback who we both believe,
with the right type of season, could be a first
round pick.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well, what's funny is the last several years I liked
USC's quarterbacks but didn't love the roster. Currently I like
USC's roster a lot, and I don't love the quarterback.
So it's very interesting now they probably already paid. I mean,
I guarantee you USC has snipped around this this idea
of the kid's not talented. Yes he is, size, mobility,
(35:09):
armstraint all there.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
He's just a kid. Again, look at cam Ward's growth
in the last two years.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
The guys, these guys are twenty years old, are not
thirty four year old guys.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
And also for someone like Nico, if he goes to
a system like USC, which has produced a ton of
NFL quarterbacks, and he goes to Lincoln Riley, who's coach
to Caleb Williams, why wouldn't it succeed?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I feel like that's the perfect fit. There's been a
lot of talk about UCLA.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
They had never spent money on their football it's only
a basketball school.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
No, yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
UCLA to this point is not in the same class
as Oregon, Georgia, Texas, Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
USC. For money, USC has really stepped it up in
the last six months.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
Yeah, and I aw wise, Okay, Colin, this is that's it. Actually,
I have four sip slips of paper.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Here we go to the NBA.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Kawhi and the Clippers have been impressive, winning thirteen in
their last fifteen games, locking up the fifth seed in
the West. The Clippers rise, there's potential for a class
in LA Class in LA down the line in the
Western Conference finals with the Lakers. With that said, former
NBA point guard Jeff Teek talked about the potential matchup
of superstar.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Duos all right now because Bron fifty, I ain't saying
Kawhi can guard Luka. James and Luca kind of cancel
each other. Obviously Luca better because he's younger, he can
do more. But like they both don't get you, they
can get you similar stats to give he gonna. I'll
do Brown right now, playoff verse forty forty year old Bron,
(36:43):
I'm rolling.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I'm rolling with Kawhi.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
No, yeah, I still don't necessarily trust Kawai's knee, but
when Kawhi goes, when Kawhi is healthy, and remember in
the playoffs, everybody gets equal rest. I also think the
Clippers got played really well down the stretch and regular
season Harden hasn't always delivered in the postseason, Kawhi's health
is a question. So I think, not that it's fools goal,
(37:08):
but I think a little bit of the Clippers late surge.
I'll believe it when I see it, as let's get
to a seven game series and see if everybody is
there physically.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
And trusting the Clippers is a ridiculous idea. I mean,
not only has it Harden never delivered, but we have
been waiting for Kawhi to show up.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
He shows up thirteen and two.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
He's averaging twenty seven points a game, shooting fifty five ers.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
He's been the best player in the league the last
six weeks.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
But to trust the Clippers against Jokic, we trust more
than anyone and we know.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Will show up. Yeah, come on, that's blasphemy. I don't
see it.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Clippers fans have been they know the rungs gonna be
pulled out.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
It's a matter of late season regular season NBA.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
We all know this.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Half the teams are tanking and another half are often
resting their players for the playoffs. So you get into
it last fifteen games of the regular season, and you're
trying to play for seating and every other night you're
playing a tanking team or a team that didn't have
much to play for. Now, the win Sunday was impressive,
but it's like slow down. You see a lot of
these late season NBA playoff streaks or winning streaks. Hey,
(38:17):
every other night you're playing a tanking team or a
team resting stars.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Shordan with a news.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping that. The
Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
News Back in a second, Joel Klatt around the corner,
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Speaker 2 (38:33):
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Speaker 8 (38:41):
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Speaker 9 (38:47):
You could catch us weekdays from five to seven pm
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Speaker 3 (38:54):
Why should you listen to Cavino and Rich.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on
in the world.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
We have a lot of fun talking about the stories
behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture,
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Speaker 9 (39:08):
And the fact that we've been friends for the last
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So check us out. We like to get you involved,
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Speaker 8 (39:35):
That's Covino and Rich. The stage is set, what they
look good for, the house call, looking for.
Speaker 10 (39:56):
The inZone touchdown, looking for some magic.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
He's gonna run four it. That's all.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
This Eastern of the UFL takes over spring's biggest weekend
with the Fox Football extravaganza. First Friday at a Eastern
Memphis takes on Michigan, and Saturday at seven Birmingham battles Houston,
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Speaker 2 (40:36):
Five at San Antonio versus d C. It's all this
weekend on Fox.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know, I was thinking about football this morning. Is
that football is so gripping and there's a scarcity of it.
Right you get a game every Sunday or a game
every Saturday. Mostly is that you never have to look
backwards when an NFL player retires, unless they're very active,
like Brady comes to Fox. Troy Aikman is a broadcaster,
(41:02):
Chris Collinsworth is a broadcaster, or Peyton Manning's got Omaha
production Saturday Night Life. Unless a player's front and center,
even a wildly popular player like Brett fav retires, goes
to Mississippi, they kind of you don't hear from him much.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
We don't look backwards.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
In the NFL, baseball very much about history and basketball
like international soccer, it's about iconic players, branding iconic moments,
the shoes they wear. And I saw today the ten
top ten most viewed players this year by a mile,
it's Lebron and Steph Curry Lucas third by a mile.
(41:38):
I mean, Jason Tatum is going to play probably back
to back championships, and he has basically one fifth of
Lebron's views, in one quarter of.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Steps views.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
And then if you go to the Jersey sales, Luca
first time ever international player, leads it, but Steph's two
and Lebron's three, and again, football is not about history
or records or style. Basketball is you say, Michael Jordan.
You think the tongue out, the diamond earrings, the six
(42:11):
for six, the style, the switching hands, the shrug against
the Blazers when he hits another three, you think Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
You think winner. How many Super Bowls? Is a six?
Is a seven? We got one in Tampa?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
How many?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
It's not about records. Football is about Sunday, who is
winning and who is playing Sunday. If the Chiefs and
Bills meet in Week nine, it will get a bigger
rating than the World Series or NBA Final game. That's
just the reality of it. So I don't think this
is a criticism of the NBA. It's still Lebron and Steph.
Michael Jordan still sells more shoes Michigan football wears the
(42:49):
Jumpman logo. Jordan is still the brand in athletics, I
think in the world. He's been gone for a long
long time, all right, Joel Klatz around the corner as
we pivot to our number three. Nick Wright was really
funny put him on the podcast today.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
It's to herd.
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