April 24, 2025 • 41 mins
He releases his final mock draft with an NFC contender making a surprising trade.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, here we go, Joel Kladden, my mock draft.
It is our number two. It is great to have
you in. It is the Herd wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day. I don't think the NBA is
going to suspend Iman Thompson. I don't, but I'm saying
based on his resume, the violence of that move. Jimmy
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Butler's a star. Do you think. Do I think they'll
have a meeting to day and talk about it. Yeah,
you know, it is what it is. All I know
is the NBA is letting guys play, and it is
a huge edge to the deep Celtic, to the deep Thunder,
the deep Rockets, the deep Cabs. Like Golden State without
Jimmy Butler may not win another game in this series.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, They're not. Come on, they're not gonna get dusted
without Butler.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
They were five hundred without.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Semensky was sick and he could he was like over five,
couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
They'll they'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I don't know that they'll win the series, but yeah,
I would take Rockets in seven if Butler misses a game.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
By the way, I'm not anti Rockets. I took the
Rockets to win the series. I'm just saying the men
Thompson's resume, his history, he has been you know, he
grew up legendary stories in Houston. You know, he and
his dad, his brother, they'd play all day and they
were feisty in fight, and there's all these stories about
a men's history. He's a tough kid. I love having
guys like that. But Draymond Green was always judged more
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harshly and I think fairly based on his career resume.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
To your point, what if the league says, hey, you
see that Warriors Lakers matchup, Boy, we love that.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Let's sit on.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Men Thompson for a game so we can get Courriy
Lebron next round. Because you know, the executives are dancing
in the streets over these ratings so far.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Wait until they get Lebron Curry in the next round.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah right, he has been good. Okay, now I did it.
I do two mock drafts. The first one is what
I would do, which is just for fun. You can
hold me accountable. The second one is this is what
I think is going to happen. So I was on
the phone last night, yesterday afternoon, in this morning, there
was a lot of Bears rumors, but the reality is
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about Ashton genty. But again, to make a trade work,
a lot of teams want things. I'm told the Jacks
want to go get Travis Hunter. Well what do we get, right,
what do we get for it? So there's a lot
of conversations. There's a lot of calls. Very rarely do
you get moves in your top ten picks, but there's
a lot of calls in it. So here is what
I'm hearing. Here is what I believe will happen. Number
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one cam Ward. This is an easy one, good fit
with Brian Callahan's offense, and more than anything, he is
a major talent upgrade over who the Titans played at
quarterback last year. Last year, Tennessee's quarterbacks combined for twenty
two touchdowns and twenty one picks. This is a no brainer.
Number two, most talented athlete in the draft. I think
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a historically gifted athlete, Travis Hunter, goes to Cleveland. They
are getting calls on Travis Hunter, and not just one
they're going to I believe keep him. He's a very
unique maybe not a show Heo Tani. Maybe he is,
but just not a lot of guys ever like this.
So he goes number two. I think the New York
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Giants are gonna go get Abdul Carter. It is a
starless draft, and he is one of the four or
five stars in the draft. Listen, They've already got a
very good defensive line. But what a lot of teams do?
Best player available, and there's no question at this point
he's the best player available. Patriots go offensive tackle Will Campbell. LSU.
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Reality is they have the worst hole line in the league.
They can get running backs, tight ends and wide rests elsewhere.
There's only four or five O tackles that people really
really like, maybe fewer than that Will Campbell. You got
Drake May now you got to protect him. Number five,
the Jaguars go for one of the cleaner players in
the draft Mason Graham. They could not stop the run
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last year. And by the way, they've got Trayvon Walker
and josh Heinz Allen, so he's a nice combo in there,
and their defensive line will be set for years. So
I think Mason Graham's a play that I love Mason Graham,
and a lot of it is I watch so much
Michigan football and Big ten football. Every game I watched,
he won the battle against any offensive linemany face. Number
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six the Raiders. I believe they're going to get Ashton Genty. Listen.
They need a receiver and they need a running back.
And Pete Carroll is old school. He likes to create
a run game. He had his most success with Marshawn
Lynch and the Pros and Reggie Bush and Lendale White
in college. They need him. I think this is a
really uni running back first round. Town number seven, the
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Jets go for Tyler Warren. Listen. I know they have
a defensive coach. They don't have enough weapons, so Garrett
Wilson needs some protection. I saw Warren play at USC
and catch seventeen balls. He's not brock Bowers, but he's
got so much dexterity and so much versatility. I don't
think the Jets can pass on them. They're just not
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a very Jets get no tight end production. He solves
it for the next five years. Number six the Panthers
Jaylon Walker. I mean again, it's another Georgia pass rusher.
He was like a five star recruit. High pipe pipe
pipe pipe. Sometimes he lives up to it, sometimes he
does not. But again, in a super starless draft, he's
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a good pass rusher from Georgia. They generally work out okay.
And number nine the Saints. They could use offensive line help.
I think they go with Mikel Williams from Georgia. Again,
they didn't have a good defense last year. They got
to rebuild their offensive line. But this feels like best
player available. And again, these Georgia guys, it doesn't matter
if they underachieve a little or they got some character stuff.
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They come into the NFL. They can play and so
that's where I think he goes. Number ten the Bears.
They would love a star running back. I think the
Bears are gonna get will Johnson the corner. Listen, they
got Jalen Johnson on one side. This is the team
that's spent a ton of money on offense over the
last two years. They need to get cheap on defense.
I think he's a very good corner. They have to
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upgrade their secondary. And remember they spent money. They're spending
money right now in their own line, in their D line.
They're spending money in the trenches. They got wide receivers.
You can get a running back later. Go get the
best corner. He doesn't run a four to three. He's
an excellent corner in a division with smart offensive coaches.
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Number eleven nine Ers, I think they get Kelvin Banks
left tackle. Trent Williams is thirty seven. They lost two
offensive linemen a free agency. Aaron Banks obviously went to
Green Bay and Jalen Moore went left tackle backup actually
went to the Chiefs. So listen, if you're gonna spend
money on brock Purdy, who's had a couple of injuries already,
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you gotta protect him. I think this, in my opinion,
is the best offensive lineman in the draft. Number twelve
Cowboys Omario Hampton. Listen, folks, they don't have enough offensive firepower.
Jerry likes stars. He wanted to draft Johnny Manzel at
one point, and they talked him out of it. This
kid is Joe Mixon with a better burst. Why not.
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I mean again, if you're gonna spend money on Dak Prescott,
you gotta get him weapons, and you got one right
now in Cede Lamb. I think they go big. It's exciting,
it's explosive, and Jerry will love the attention. I think
number thirteen we have our first trade up. I think
the Rams trade up with Miami. Miami moves back. The
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Rams trade up and get Colston Lovelin the tight end
they were. They tried to move up last year for
brock Bowers. It was too rich. So they're just not
getting enough tight end production. So the feeling with the
Rams is they've got DeVante Adams and Puka. They've got
Kyron Williams the running back. The old line is settled.
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Let's go get a star tight end for Matt Stafford
this year and next his last couple of years with
the Rams. They move up, Dolphins move back number fourteenth pick.
The Colts will take, in their eyes, the best player available.
Armand Membo from Missouri. Guy's a monster. The reality is
outside of Quentin Nelson, nobody else played seventeen games on
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the old line for the Colts. Chris Ballard will be patient,
He'll let the best player fall to him, and then
number fifteen the Falcons take Jahad Campbell. Now, the Falcons
the last four draft they've gone offense in the first round.
That's why their defense is not very good. So Michael
Pennix is fine. The old line's fine. They got Kyle Pitts,
they got Drake London, Bijon Robbinson. Their offense is fine.
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They need to be faster and more athletic on defense.
And Campbell. Campbell's an underrated player. Most Bama players are
not underrated guys, an unbelievable freak athlete, best linebacker in
the draft. Probably. So this is what I think will happen. Okay,
this isn't what I would do. This is what I
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believe will happen. I do think the Rams will move up.
I think they'll wait as long as they can. But
I think the Colts would take Colston Loveland if he
was available, and the Rams know that, so they're going
to jump the Colts at the last second to get
a tight end who, by the way, everybody loves. If
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he was available, I can tell you the Broncos would
look at him, the Chargers would look at him, and
the Rams would take him. So I do think the
Rams don't have a lot of need. They need at
some point an offensive tackle, a corner, a tight end,
and maybe an inside linebacker. All Right, Joel Klapp is
in Green Bay. How exciting, How fun nicest people in
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the world are in Buffalo and Green Bay. Nicest people
you'll ever meet her there. Okay, so you know everybody's
saying it's not a good enough draft to move up,
but I tend to believe that these offensive coaches, when
they see a unique piece like a Colston Loveland, they're like,
oh that worked.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
A defensive coach, maybe not, but you did a ton
of Colston Loveland games. What did you see.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I love Colston Loveland. I have him as my top
tight end in the draft. And the reason here's the reason.
I really like Tyler Warren as well. But they're different
types of players. You know, Warren exploit space that is
created through scheme, and he does it incredibly well. He's
a creative player. But Loveland creates his own space and
that's difficult to do. And by the way he produced
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with subpar quarterback play this last year before getting hurt
at Michigan. You know, you look at the way that
he runs routes from split out, from in line, all
over the place, and he wins. And by the way,
there's this misnomer that Tyler Warren is somehow way bigger
than Colston Loveland. They're basically the exact same size. I
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think Loveland might be like five pounds lighter, but they're
the same height. I love Loveland's ability to get open
and to me at the next level, in particular in
the red zone and on third down from a tight
end perspective, can you create your own space and win?
And Loveland can do that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Okay, So there's another player that you saw a ton
of in the big Tenemika Buka, the wide receiver. He's
not a burner, but I went to dinner with an
offensive coordinator this past weekend. They're not going to draft
him because of need. They loved him, he said, total
pro starts day one. So again, this is a guy
that when you looked at a lot of mock drafts,
he was top of the second round. I'm sorry, but
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I have yet to talk to any source who didn't
love him, Dirk Toughness, you did a ton of Buckeye games.
What is he? What do you see?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
He's my favorite player in the draft because of all
the things that you just talked about. He's one of
the greatest young men that I've covered just as a person,
but he's also incredibly polished as a wide receiver. And
this is what you also have to realize, is that
you've got to project from college systems into the NFL.
And what position group in college football has been more
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dynamic and more can't miss than Ohio State wide receivers
in the last five or six years. Colin. It's the
best position group in college football in terms of projecting
to the National Football League. And a Mecca Booka is
a great player. He can play in the slot. He's explosive,
he runs clean routes. He is a great locker room guy.
He catches everything. And here's one of the things and
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something that I'll share it tonight when we get on
the air. This will just tell you everything about his
character and what they believe in at Ohio State in
that position room with Brian Hartline as their coach. Jeremiah
Smith was going to come in as a true freshman
and a Mecca of Buca stayed back and he wanted
to play an extra year, not just for himself and
to win a championship and so on and so forth,
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but he wanted to make sure that Jeremiah Smith had
a connection to the lineage of the brotherhood of all
the guys that are going to the National Football League,
so that you can say that, yeah, it starts, you know,
all the way back Terry McLaurin and Paris Campbell and
then Chris o'lave and then Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith
and Jigba and then Marvin Harrison and a Mecca Bucah
and Jeremiah Smith. He understood the links in that chain
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and wanted to stay back and mentor Jeremiah Smith, who
might be better than all of them here in a
couple of years. And that's one of the reasons he
stayed back in Columbus.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So you know, I've said this before. Dan Marino and
Aaron Rodgers famously dropped in the draft and they got
Green Bay and Don Shula with nil money. Now, it
doesn't bother me at all. If I had a son
and you told me Cleveland, the Giants are the Steelers.
I'd say, dropping the draft and go to Pittsburgh. I
don't love what they're doing, but they're really well run.
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They draft and develop players. So if Shador is dropping,
he's not going to be a savior in Pittsburgh. They're
just looking for a starting quarterback. The Giants in Cleveland
are looking for somebody to get him out of messes.
What do you make of the reports that he's dropping.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
They're true? First of all, I think it's fifty to
fifty that Pittsburgh takes him. I know that their visit
went really well. And there's also this this I won't
call it an issue, but there's this point that no
one is making. Everyone's just talking about from the NFL
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perspective and the decision maker's perspective. And I will say this, Remember,
Shadoor has only played for his dad his whole life. Yeah, Colin,
I think sometimes we forget that the league one the
only head coach he's known is coach Prime. And so
I think that there is some thought in the Sanders
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camp that it's not only about the organizational fit, but
the head coaching fit. And I know that they would
love to play for Mike Tomlin. So you know, however
that happens, I think that that's probably the place that
Shudor would like to end up for all of the
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reasons you were talking about. And this idea of the
alpha head coach who's who's hyper confident and very successful,
runs a clean program. I think that that's attractive for
the Sanders camp as well. And that's something that not
a lot of people have talked about.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
So I had a general manager tell me it's a
starless draft, and Abdull Carter's a star. Somebody's going to
take him high. You had, You did Micah Parsons games
at Penn State, you did Abdul Carter games. Is he
in that class? Is he as good as Micah?
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I think he can be, because think about it, Micah.
You know, Micah's dynamic, and he's creative, and he can
play everywhere. I think as an off the ball linebacker,
you can make an argument Micah is the better player.
But I think as a pure edge rusher, I think
Abduall Carter is better. I think he's a touch longer
and a little bit more explosive in terms of his
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get off and pass rushing acumen. So as creative as
Dallas can be. With Michaeh Parsons as good as he is,
there's this in my mind. I think that as a
pass rusher and a disruptive force behind the line of scrimmage,
that abduall Carter could maybe even be better than what
Micah has been in the National Football League. And listen,
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that's high praise, obviously, because I hold Micah and as
maybe the best defender in the sport right now. But
abduall Carter has that ability, and I would just remind
people he's only played edge rusher for one season. Last
year was the first time that he moved down and
played edge kind of full time and then moved him
around a little bit. But you looked at him getting
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better and better and better all year, and then with
one arm against Notre Dame in that CFP game, he
had seven pressures and was a game wrecker against Notre Dame.
You know, to me, like, this guy's a no brainer.
I think that he makes your team better and I
would be shocked if New York doesn't select him at three.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So I was saying earlier, it's Georgia players, even if
they have character issues, even if they've underachieved a little.
The bottom line is they get to the pros and
they deliver. Ohio State's got some of that where Ohio
State guys practice against Ohio State guys, and you know,
if you draft a corner from Ohio State, he has
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been covering in practice for three years. First round receivers.
So I do look at these Georgia players, some of
which have underachieved a little. Do you think teams think
about that and go, you know, he's a Buckeye, he
competes against World Clay. I look at Ohio State and
Georgia players. I did this with Saban and Bama. I'd
be like, well, if Nick trusts him, you know, it's
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I mean, do you do you think teams think about that?
But like a Georgia Ohio State, I.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Think that teams are seeing some of these players in Gosham.
I'm blanking names off the top of my head, but
you're seeing some players right now in the league, you know,
go double digit sacks every single year that didn't have
much production in their college career. And so when you
look at defensive linemen and particular edge rushers in this draft,
you've got a lot of guys that you can put
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into two camps. Traits measurables, you know, potential or production
at the college level. So you've got the Mike Green's
or the Donovan Ezerakus who had seventeen sixteen and a
halfs last year, led the country, led the Power Forward,
and you've got that camp, or you've got the Shamar
Stewarts and some of these other guys that may be
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underperformed on the stat sheet but have the traits that
would suggest that they can come in and be a
explosive in the National Football League. I think that the
trend is towards traits because you're seeing players who's the
guy Gosh, he was selected number one overall, tray Von Walker, right.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, for JAXI.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Yeah, and he did not have much, he didn't start
even much at Georgia, and now he's becoming a guy
that has i think ten and a half sacks last year.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I'm hearing a lot of that out of NFL decision makers.
But one thing that I would just throw in there.
I know it's not specific to this question, Colin, but
I think it's an interesting overarching theme that now we're
going to have to deal with when we're talking about
the transactional nature of college football. I'm hearing more and
more and more of the question marks from these gms
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and coaches around the league of does this guy love football?
And it just strikes me that as college football becomes
more transactional around transfer, portal and nil, we're teaching kids
that the biggest issue or or thing that they should
be concerned about is their brand and how much money
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they're making. So then a lot of them make a
lot of money in college football, and then they sit
in these meetings in the draft process with these assistant
coaches that they make ten times more money then and
they're like, I don't like, who are you? And so
there's been more of that going on this year of hey,
this was a bad meeting this or that, and it's like, hey,
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there's a lot of bitter assistant coaches in the National
Football League that have not made a ton of money
and they have not moved up the ladder. And then
these kids walk in and they don't kiss their butts,
and so then they run around to the next guy
that'll write an article for him and they start talking
about how this kid's interviews were terrible. There's a lot
of that going on it's a different nature of the
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draft process, I think this year than any other year
that I've covered.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Okay, finally, I watched cam Ward at Washington State. I
thought he was really talented. I didn't think first overall
picking the draft. I watched them at Miami. I thought, ah,
he's really talented. I don't really think he's the number
one pick in the draft, and now he is. So
is this a matter of he plays the position and
the team drafting really needs him. When you watched him
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in college, when did you ever think, Wow, he could
be a number one pick. I thought that with Caleb
four games into USC. I thought it with Jayden Daniels
at LSU. I'm like, this kid put on weight from ASU.
That kid's a baller. I never looked at cam as
a number one pick. Is this just position and need?
Did you did you see him in college as a
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dominant player?
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Well, let's let's let's reframe it, because we're not grading
on a scale of one hundred to be the number
one overall pick. We're not rating him to be the
number one one overall pick. We are rating him on
a scale, you know, like this on a curve. Excuse me,
and the curve is what else is available. If you're Tennessee,
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you have to select the best of a quarterback period.
Cam Ward is the best available quarterback this year. I
happen to believe it's a bad year to be in
that position for Tennessee. If you're looking at the twelve
guys that were selected in the top or excuse me,
the six guys that were selecting the first twelve picks.
A year ago, I think cam would maybe be fifth
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or sixth in that class, probably outside of the top six.
And yet this year he's going to be number one.
That's not a knock against Cam, that's just that's the
year in which he's coming out. He's got great confidence,
great arm strength, a quick release. He can threaten every
blade of grass out there. But there's no doubt he's
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going to have to grow and develop at the next level.
And I think that he can. I really do. But
it's a curve. It's not a scale to one hundred,
it's a curve, and he's got the right year to
be at the top of the curve.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, he's got the right year. That's absolutely Joel AaB
real quick.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
I know you put up your mock draft. Let me
just tell you, Okay, Genti's going five Jacksonville. Okay, So
switch that Mimbo does not get past the Bears. There's
no chance Mimbo is going to be a top ten pick.
Will Johnson is sliding along with Jihad Campbell because of
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injury issues and medicals. And if the Rams are trading,
it would be for Amrion Hampton. And if there's a
trade for Loveland, it's likely to be Denver. So watch
out for that. Yours is really good, really good. You're right,
you're on the same track as most people. Oh, Will's
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a very good informable watch out for Mimbo.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
In the top ten, so Will Johnson. So the Bears
would go offense again. They've done a lot of intive line.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I think offensive line.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
What about the Niners in Kelvin Banks. They need offensive linemen, Yeah,
they do, but.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
They need everything. Remember like they're decimated from free agencies,
so they need to rebuild their roster overall. So I
believe that they're gonna just take the best overall player
that they hey as they see on the board.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
If the Rams like Hampton, is that acknowledging that Blake
Koram was a miss.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
That's a that's a good thought, that's a possibility, there's
no doubt. It's also an acknowledgement that Hampton is a
pretty dynamic player, both catching it and running it. So
like I think that that Sean really likes him. I
don't know if they're gonna they're gonna trade because they
also love Colston Loveland and they also love a Mecca
of Buca. So in my mind, I think they would
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be happy with any of those three, and they feel
like they could probably stand pat and get one of
those three they're hoping omi On drops to them. I
don't think that they would release capital to go get them,
knowing that they love Colston Loveland as well as a
Mecca Buca.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
This is so much fun. Joe Klatt good see anybody.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Good?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Good as you too, Bud all right.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Green Bay, Joel Klatt, all over it tonight in the
heartland of not only the country but the NFL.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Hey did you see Daniel Jeremiah did not have Will
Johnson in the first round of his final mock draft
that he dropped last night. So something weird is going
on with Will Johnson. I think he's a top fifteen player.
He's really good. But the health stuff that Klatt talked about,
coupled with Jeremiah not having him in his final mock
draft first round, a little surprising.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
He's the best corner in the draft, I think, best
pure corner. Like he's amazing. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Wow, that's drunk. That'd be shocked.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, I would be stunned.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, that is crazy. Now he did have injury issues
at Michig.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
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Speaker 1 (25:53):
Diana Russini will be joining us a last hour of
the very latest. So it looks like the Rams and
the Broncos both are considering a move up to get
a special offensive piece. You're hearing the team act the
receiver from Arizona and Will Johnson, the corner from Michigan
who I love, is moving down. I still think Mason
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Graham is the cleanest prospect in the whole thing. Not spectacular,
but every time I watched him, he was great. J
Mack of the news, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
This is the Herd line news, all.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Right, let's go back to the draft, Colin.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
It's tonight from Green Bay, and everybody wants to know
where Schiduer's standards will land. Well Dion had an interesting
take comparing his son's pre draft criticism to that of
Lamar Jackson, saying, we still see some bull junk every year,
but Lamar was probably the most recent that was just ridiculous, insulting,
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but God was in that to get him where he.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Needed to go, the city of Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Now, if you remember, I wasn't obviously on the show
when this happened, but Lamar by some pundits being told
he needs to change positions.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Remember that a famous guy who was I think in
the Colt's.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Front office, and then he got shoved off the network
right after saying this nonsense. I mean, Lamar has won
two MVPs. Are people being too critical of Shador? I
don't know that he's gonna win two mbps?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
But yeah, I mean I didn't agree with that Lamar take.
It was terrible, uninfortable, But I mean Lamar was a
spectacular athlete. Well Chador is not. And also there are
times like the Lamar draft was a very good quarterback
draft and a very good overall draft. So I do think,
like if Cam mord was in last year's draft, I
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think cam Ward is a second round quarterback. I really do.
I don't think. I think there were so many quarterback
I mean, I like Michael Penix as a prospect more
than Cam Mood. Now, Panix is not It's not that athletic.
But this week Laan Zerline said cam Ward's Bonicks. Now,
I like Phonix, but I like phone Nicks. With Sean Payton,
he's better than bon Nicks. Well, you're right with.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Sean Payton to go to Lamar. I'm fairly certain. I
tried to check this out.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
That was the draft for.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Josh Rosen went to the Cardinals at like ten. Now,
I don't know if you was that your guy kid
doing that taking Josh.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Rosen next year that took Kyler.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yeah, Josh Rosen basically is delivering your Uber eats now
and Lamar's got two MVPs. And Josh Rosen went ten
well and Lamara went thirty seconds, Like nobody knows what
they're doing in quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, I think people can spot talent, but I think
what we don't consider enough with quarterback is and people
don't like to look in the mirror. Is your organization
capable of developing this young quarterback? Baltimore is? I mean,
look at where look at where the quarterbacks flourish. Baltimore
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well run, Kansas City historically well run, Green Bay well run.
Isn't it funny those organizations always get quarterback right because
the kid as he stumbles early. No, it's like having
great parents. I mean, and then look at the places
where quarterbacks go to die. But Carol Liina, so it's
not Chicago. So you know, we always look at nobody
(29:06):
knows how to draft quarterbacks. Look at the places that
regularly hit on quarterback. Well, they're better owned and better rock.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Sometimes you get lucky Buffalo post. Jim Kelly, do you
remember those twenty years?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, I remember Tyrod Taylor got to the playoffs. Stop
when they got Bean and they got McDermott, they were
at least a high functioning organization. Plus they got Terry
Pakooler the owner. So you didn't love them, but they
had owner gm and coach in place. They made the playoffs.
But Tyrod I understood.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
So Washington made it with QB one. Matt Sarrasin from
Friday Night lights. Basically Taylor Heinike like, come on, like
things happen, they're weird. I'm just saying, I don't know
if Chador going to Pittsburgh is the best landing spout.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Honestly, no.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
If I was Shodor, there's other places, right, Minnesota, right,
But if you're giving me Giants or Pittsburgh, I take Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
How long is Dabel going to be there? Because I
like Dable? I mean, listen, we could say Josh Allen's
the VP. He didn't thrive until Dabo kind of got
coached him up in Buffalo, right right, all right?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Next story, h jeez, we got to talk about this
guy again.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Patrick Mahomes, your favorite quarterback in the league, the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
You know, listen, they got how many different adjectants?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Guy, I used to describe what happened in the Super Bowl.
I got their teeth kicked in.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
It was bad. It is funny when you think about this,
the last two Super Bowl blowouts was Mahomes losing? Oh good?
I mean seriously, We've got a bunch of good super Bowls.
The last two bad ones. Malms got crushed. So what
does it tell you? Why did he get crushed? They
had a left tackle issue both Super Bowls. It doesn't
matter who you are.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Well, the left.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Tackle was working great with Toney until the Super Bowl
when the Eagles were like, you got.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
No chance against us. Anyways, Mahomes is.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Now talking about getting back for she Rice in Hollywood Brown,
and they want to attack the aerial attack the way
they used to in the past.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Everything looks great right now. I mean getting the guys
back healthy as far as she and having a Hollywood
fully healthy and Xavier in year two, I think the
offense has a chance to be really, really good. It's
just about keeping building. I'm excited to kind of have
these guys again and just with we've had a lot
of turnover in the receiving room, and it seems like
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the core group will be back in its entirety. So
the goal is to try to build on it and
get even better and try to get back to some
of the explosive passing plays that we've done in your steps.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I like that video.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
You see the regulation size pool table in the background
with the red felt that's impressive, right with the Chiefs Red. Yeah, listen, well,
I like Mahomes, you weren't here, but I said the
Chiefs would not make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
No, I don't think that's a crazy take.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
I don't. It's obviously not a crazy take. It's a
great take. That being said, Chiefs fans a right rate,
and if you look at the roster column, I don't
see how they go back to the deep passing game
when the offensive line's not better and the receivers we
don't know. He's talking about Hollywood Brown, like do we
know if he's good? Well, no, he's not great, Okay,
Raci Rice, I like him along good season and then
(32:10):
I mean he's had has anymore had more police encounters
and touchdowns of the last year.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It is now the best division in football. And they
went eleven to zero one scored games. There's no question
they're not going to equal last year's record. They're not. Then,
if you don't have a top eight to ten offensive line,
you're not going to go on long winning streams. So
Joe Tooney worked in the regular season, he got to
a super Bowl. It didn't work. Yeah, so they and
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they got worse on the old line. They lost Tooney,
who was their best alignment and the guy they went
and got a backup in San Francisco to be a
left tackle.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
He's unproven.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I mean, you know, I don't know what Chiefs fans
are excited about.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
If you want to tell me, we got Mahomes and
read great? What else you got? What else do they have?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Colin Well, Chris Jones pretty good? One more year, Travis Kelsey.
I like their defense. I think their defense in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Do you remember his stats?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah? How do you do it? He's a pretty good player, Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Wow does that go?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
He's a pretty good player.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
He's that a great career. Final story, Calum back to
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Celtics went up two oh last night, did not cover
against the Magic but got the dub.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Now Kristaps porzingis, Oh, okay, that's shit.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That was brutal.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
That light looks like you in one of your barroom
brawls that.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
You got into.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Look at it. I mean kind of a dirty elbow. Anyways.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Uh, he needed five stitches to close the bleeding. But
Joe Mizzoula, who says some wacky stuff, he loved it.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
I think his overall just approach. I think he has
an ability and innate ability to take things very serious
and at the same time, you know, have great perspective,
and you know, you see how he I think he
can control his environment really well with how he handles
the crowd and how he handles the physicality of it,
and he can maintain his kind of his poise and
he just has a great way about him. And I
(33:50):
think that that that helps us. And like, yeah, I do.
I love watching him. I like watching him lead on
the court. I think it's important.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, Mizula is a very very much a UFC tough guy.
He likes all that training and Navy Seal stuff, so
his he likes his teams not to be cute.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I like the Navy Seal stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
By the way, I've talked with some dads, you know
how Sandy down in San Diego they have that, Like
you could do the Navy Seal training.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Than do you any interest in joining us? Nope, we'll
got we got a group they're gonna do help. No,
it's just like a fun, cool thing where you're clearing.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'll go to Old Navy and get some khakis, go
to you go train with Navy Seal.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
You don't think that'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
You got one life, buddy, Come on, you got a
few more years where you could do Navy seal.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
T I don't want to be submerged in a tank
fighting for my life. Sorry, call me not? What is it?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Officer and a gentleman?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Come on? Doesn't sound fun of me. J mcklenews.
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Speaker 1 (35:34):
I'm not a believer, and you can't do this, or
you can't do that. When I got into sportscafting years ago,
those always to say, you can't talk about politics, Hey
you can. Comedians talk about politics. Sports guys talk about politics.
You talk about politics. Everybody talks about politics. Oh you
can't talk politics. Why not? It's a great brand. A
lot of people talk politics. I do it infrequently. I've
(35:56):
talked to it. I'm fine. I don't buy into this. You
can't draft this this guy here that Like, people don't
want to draft running backs in the first round. A
good running back touches the ball twenty times a game.
How much does a good defensive tackle touch it? I
mean again, I like Mason Graham. Ashton genty is going
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to average one hundred yards a game, very possibly if
he goes to Jacksonville at five or Raiders at six.
I mean, at one hundred yards what a team's average
every week in offense four hundred and fifty yards or something.
He gets a quarter of him just one guy, Like,
I don't. I don't care that he's a running back.
If a guy's great, he's great. It's a starless draft.
He's a star. You can't you can't draft a kicker well,
(36:41):
Belichick end ended up drafting a kicker that was a
all time great kicker. Kickers are off in your leading scorers.
You can't draft a leading scorer in every other sport baseball, hockey, basketball,
international soccer. Don't don't. Wouldn't you draft a leading scorer?
So I I just don't. I don't buy into rules. Well,
(37:02):
you can't do this, and you can't do that. Half
the companies that are in this country. I mean, remember
the old saying you do not get into a car
with a stranger. It's called uber It's a thriving billion
dollar business. So I, you know, I just my take
is you can do whatever feels right. I would never
draft a kicker in the first round, but Sean McVay
(37:23):
knows what he's doing. They drafted a kicker. I think
Hat of Stanford last year, good kicker. Now the Niners
reached on a kicker doesn't necessarily look like a good move.
They probably drafted him higher than I would, But I
you know, I mean, the only thing that appears to
be true that in the history of the NFL draft,
almost every great left tackle is a first round pick.
(37:47):
And the reason for that is God only creates so
many six seven men with good feet, six seven, three
hundred and twenty pound men with good feet. It's it's
the George Young theory, who's an old now has passed along.
He was a general manager of the New York Giants,
and he used to call it the planet theory, which
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is the planet only gives you one or two six
foot six men that are over three hundred pounds a
year with really good feet. You know, It's like in
the NBA, how many seven feet men can run the
floor dribble. That's why Wemby and Kevin Durant are so exceptional.
They're just not a lot of guys that size we
can do that. And so outside of that where most
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of your great left tackles, historically our first round picks
just because of scarcity of that size and that fluidity
and nimbleness for that position. But we got Tom Brady
going in the sixth and Brock Purty in the seventh,
and Mark Brunell in the fifth, and Joe Montana in
the third or fourth and Dak in the fourth. Quarterbacks
come from all places. But I have no problem drafting
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and running. I was a big believer in Bejon Robinson
for Atlanta. I don't think they've used him enough. They
used to be. Don't draft a tight end early. I
don't know. I watched Brock Powers. Now Kyle Pitts has
been disappointing. Brock Powers is unguardable, uncoverable. So I'm just
for what's the best player of it in the first
twenty picks of the draft? What's the best player of it?
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After that, you can reach a little bit. If you
have a need in the third round and you need
to tight end badly and you know he's not one
of the top five or six players you have in
that space, but he's eight or ninth, I'd reach seven
or eight nine picks if I absolutely needed something. When
I go to the grocery store, I go buy what
I need, not what the best value is. The A
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draft is a little bit like a grocery store. Like
you have certain needs, you either have to get them
through free agency, and if you don't, you have to
get them through the draft, And sometimes it doesn't line
up and you have to reach for a guy.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
So that's a great point about value.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
There's this idea in the draft about surplus value.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
What are the most.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Expensive positions to pay in the NFL quarterback, edge rusher,
left tackle, an increasingly wide receiver right. So if you
can draft one of those at the top and the
top ten, you have huge value. Travis Hunter is going
to be one of the lowest paid receivers in the
league because he's on his rookie deal, but he's got
huge value because he's a star. So the idea is
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running backs. They don't have a ton of value, right.
I know Saquon can be added to a contender, but
drafting a running back high doesn't make a ton of
sense because if you're building something Colin like, you're going
to drive him into the ground on his first deal
and then you move on like. That's why gent at
five doesn't make as much sense as say a left
tackle or an edge rusher. But Jacksonville has two edge rushers,
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they have their quarterback, so are they ready for a
running back or do they go, hey, we need that
left tackle. And I think that's an interesting question. If
I'm Jacksonville, I'd probably go left tackle. Or you could
argue Mason Graham defensive tackle. Has he could be a
Christal takes play here? Okay, let me pushed back. Genty
is transformational. There is no great left tackle in the draft.
(40:54):
I think Kelvin Banks is a really good tackle, very good.
So again it depends.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Also, this is a starless draft, like so you're gonna
make exceptions like Abdul Carter needs surgery and won't get one.
But he's one of the four guys in this draft
that dominates every game he plays it. So there's a
lot of different factors here. But I'm not I think
it's okay. I mean, I'm not turned off by he's small.
He went to Boise stated, he's a running back. Everybody
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I've talked. I talked to him an exec this morning.
He's like, listen, man, that guy's gonna work day one
in the pros. That is that kid is a star. Yes,
that's what everybody thinks. Then go draft them. If you
need a running back, if you have a young quarterback,
they all love great running back.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, here we go, Joel Kladden, my mock draft.
It is our number two. It is great to have
you in. It is the Herd wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day. I don't think the NBA is
going to suspend Iman Thompson. I don't, but I'm saying
based on his resume, the violence of that move. Jimmy
(00:44):
Butler's a star. Do you think. Do I think they'll
have a meeting to day and talk about it. Yeah,
you know, it is what it is. All I know
is the NBA is letting guys play, and it is
a huge edge to the deep Celtic, to the deep Thunder,
the deep Rockets, the deep Cabs. Like Golden State without
Jimmy Butler may not win another game in this series.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, They're not. Come on, they're not gonna get dusted
without Butler.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
They were five hundred without.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Semensky was sick and he could he was like over five,
couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
They'll they'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I don't know that they'll win the series, but yeah,
I would take Rockets in seven if Butler misses a game.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
By the way, I'm not anti Rockets. I took the
Rockets to win the series. I'm just saying the men
Thompson's resume, his history, he has been you know, he
grew up legendary stories in Houston. You know, he and
his dad, his brother, they'd play all day and they
were feisty in fight, and there's all these stories about
a men's history. He's a tough kid. I love having
guys like that. But Draymond Green was always judged more
(01:41):
harshly and I think fairly based on his career resume.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
To your point, what if the league says, hey, you
see that Warriors Lakers matchup, Boy, we love that.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Let's sit on.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Men Thompson for a game so we can get Courriy
Lebron next round. Because you know, the executives are dancing
in the streets over these ratings so far.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Wait until they get Lebron Curry in the next round.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah right, he has been good. Okay, now I did it.
I do two mock drafts. The first one is what
I would do, which is just for fun. You can
hold me accountable. The second one is this is what
I think is going to happen. So I was on
the phone last night, yesterday afternoon, in this morning, there
was a lot of Bears rumors, but the reality is
(02:23):
about Ashton genty. But again, to make a trade work,
a lot of teams want things. I'm told the Jacks
want to go get Travis Hunter. Well what do we get, right,
what do we get for it? So there's a lot
of conversations. There's a lot of calls. Very rarely do
you get moves in your top ten picks, but there's
a lot of calls in it. So here is what
I'm hearing. Here is what I believe will happen. Number
(02:47):
one cam Ward. This is an easy one, good fit
with Brian Callahan's offense, and more than anything, he is
a major talent upgrade over who the Titans played at
quarterback last year. Last year, Tennessee's quarterbacks combined for twenty
two touchdowns and twenty one picks. This is a no brainer.
Number two, most talented athlete in the draft. I think
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a historically gifted athlete, Travis Hunter, goes to Cleveland. They
are getting calls on Travis Hunter, and not just one
they're going to I believe keep him. He's a very
unique maybe not a show Heo Tani. Maybe he is,
but just not a lot of guys ever like this.
So he goes number two. I think the New York
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Giants are gonna go get Abdul Carter. It is a
starless draft, and he is one of the four or
five stars in the draft. Listen, They've already got a
very good defensive line. But what a lot of teams do?
Best player available, and there's no question at this point
he's the best player available. Patriots go offensive tackle Will Campbell. LSU.
(03:54):
Reality is they have the worst hole line in the league.
They can get running backs, tight ends and wide rests elsewhere.
There's only four or five O tackles that people really
really like, maybe fewer than that Will Campbell. You got
Drake May now you got to protect him. Number five,
the Jaguars go for one of the cleaner players in
the draft Mason Graham. They could not stop the run
(04:16):
last year. And by the way, they've got Trayvon Walker
and josh Heinz Allen, so he's a nice combo in there,
and their defensive line will be set for years. So
I think Mason Graham's a play that I love Mason Graham,
and a lot of it is I watch so much
Michigan football and Big ten football. Every game I watched,
he won the battle against any offensive linemany face. Number
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six the Raiders. I believe they're going to get Ashton Genty. Listen.
They need a receiver and they need a running back.
And Pete Carroll is old school. He likes to create
a run game. He had his most success with Marshawn
Lynch and the Pros and Reggie Bush and Lendale White
in college. They need him. I think this is a
really uni running back first round. Town number seven, the
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Jets go for Tyler Warren. Listen. I know they have
a defensive coach. They don't have enough weapons, so Garrett
Wilson needs some protection. I saw Warren play at USC
and catch seventeen balls. He's not brock Bowers, but he's
got so much dexterity and so much versatility. I don't
think the Jets can pass on them. They're just not
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a very Jets get no tight end production. He solves
it for the next five years. Number six the Panthers
Jaylon Walker. I mean again, it's another Georgia pass rusher.
He was like a five star recruit. High pipe pipe
pipe pipe. Sometimes he lives up to it, sometimes he
does not. But again, in a super starless draft, he's
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a good pass rusher from Georgia. They generally work out okay.
And number nine the Saints. They could use offensive line help.
I think they go with Mikel Williams from Georgia. Again,
they didn't have a good defense last year. They got
to rebuild their offensive line. But this feels like best
player available. And again, these Georgia guys, it doesn't matter
if they underachieve a little or they got some character stuff.
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They come into the NFL. They can play and so
that's where I think he goes. Number ten the Bears.
They would love a star running back. I think the
Bears are gonna get will Johnson the corner. Listen, they
got Jalen Johnson on one side. This is the team
that's spent a ton of money on offense over the
last two years. They need to get cheap on defense.
I think he's a very good corner. They have to
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upgrade their secondary. And remember they spent money. They're spending
money right now in their own line, in their D line.
They're spending money in the trenches. They got wide receivers.
You can get a running back later. Go get the
best corner. He doesn't run a four to three. He's
an excellent corner in a division with smart offensive coaches.
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Number eleven nine Ers, I think they get Kelvin Banks
left tackle. Trent Williams is thirty seven. They lost two
offensive linemen a free agency. Aaron Banks obviously went to
Green Bay and Jalen Moore went left tackle backup actually
went to the Chiefs. So listen, if you're gonna spend
money on brock Purdy, who's had a couple of injuries already,
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you gotta protect him. I think this, in my opinion,
is the best offensive lineman in the draft. Number twelve
Cowboys Omario Hampton. Listen, folks, they don't have enough offensive firepower.
Jerry likes stars. He wanted to draft Johnny Manzel at
one point, and they talked him out of it. This
kid is Joe Mixon with a better burst. Why not.
(07:32):
I mean again, if you're gonna spend money on Dak Prescott,
you gotta get him weapons, and you got one right
now in Cede Lamb. I think they go big. It's exciting,
it's explosive, and Jerry will love the attention. I think
number thirteen we have our first trade up. I think
the Rams trade up with Miami. Miami moves back. The
(07:55):
Rams trade up and get Colston Lovelin the tight end
they were. They tried to move up last year for
brock Bowers. It was too rich. So they're just not
getting enough tight end production. So the feeling with the
Rams is they've got DeVante Adams and Puka. They've got
Kyron Williams the running back. The old line is settled.
(08:18):
Let's go get a star tight end for Matt Stafford
this year and next his last couple of years with
the Rams. They move up, Dolphins move back number fourteenth pick.
The Colts will take, in their eyes, the best player available.
Armand Membo from Missouri. Guy's a monster. The reality is
outside of Quentin Nelson, nobody else played seventeen games on
(08:40):
the old line for the Colts. Chris Ballard will be patient,
He'll let the best player fall to him, and then
number fifteen the Falcons take Jahad Campbell. Now, the Falcons
the last four draft they've gone offense in the first round.
That's why their defense is not very good. So Michael
Pennix is fine. The old line's fine. They got Kyle Pitts,
they got Drake London, Bijon Robbinson. Their offense is fine.
(09:02):
They need to be faster and more athletic on defense.
And Campbell. Campbell's an underrated player. Most Bama players are
not underrated guys, an unbelievable freak athlete, best linebacker in
the draft. Probably. So this is what I think will happen. Okay,
this isn't what I would do. This is what I
(09:23):
believe will happen. I do think the Rams will move up.
I think they'll wait as long as they can. But
I think the Colts would take Colston Loveland if he
was available, and the Rams know that, so they're going
to jump the Colts at the last second to get
a tight end who, by the way, everybody loves. If
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he was available, I can tell you the Broncos would
look at him, the Chargers would look at him, and
the Rams would take him. So I do think the
Rams don't have a lot of need. They need at
some point an offensive tackle, a corner, a tight end,
and maybe an inside linebacker. All Right, Joel Klapp is
in Green Bay. How exciting, How fun nicest people in
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the world are in Buffalo and Green Bay. Nicest people
you'll ever meet her there. Okay, so you know everybody's
saying it's not a good enough draft to move up,
but I tend to believe that these offensive coaches, when
they see a unique piece like a Colston Loveland, they're like,
oh that worked.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
A defensive coach, maybe not, but you did a ton
of Colston Loveland games. What did you see.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I love Colston Loveland. I have him as my top
tight end in the draft. And the reason here's the reason.
I really like Tyler Warren as well. But they're different
types of players. You know, Warren exploit space that is
created through scheme, and he does it incredibly well. He's
a creative player. But Loveland creates his own space and
that's difficult to do. And by the way he produced
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with subpar quarterback play this last year before getting hurt
at Michigan. You know, you look at the way that
he runs routes from split out, from in line, all
over the place, and he wins. And by the way,
there's this misnomer that Tyler Warren is somehow way bigger
than Colston Loveland. They're basically the exact same size. I
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think Loveland might be like five pounds lighter, but they're
the same height. I love Loveland's ability to get open
and to me at the next level, in particular in
the red zone and on third down from a tight
end perspective, can you create your own space and win?
And Loveland can do that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Okay, So there's another player that you saw a ton
of in the big Tenemika Buka, the wide receiver. He's
not a burner, but I went to dinner with an
offensive coordinator this past weekend. They're not going to draft
him because of need. They loved him, he said, total
pro starts day one. So again, this is a guy
that when you looked at a lot of mock drafts,
he was top of the second round. I'm sorry, but
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I have yet to talk to any source who didn't
love him, Dirk Toughness, you did a ton of Buckeye games.
What is he? What do you see?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
He's my favorite player in the draft because of all
the things that you just talked about. He's one of
the greatest young men that I've covered just as a person,
but he's also incredibly polished as a wide receiver. And
this is what you also have to realize, is that
you've got to project from college systems into the NFL.
And what position group in college football has been more
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dynamic and more can't miss than Ohio State wide receivers
in the last five or six years. Colin. It's the
best position group in college football in terms of projecting
to the National Football League. And a Mecca Booka is
a great player. He can play in the slot. He's explosive,
he runs clean routes. He is a great locker room guy.
He catches everything. And here's one of the things and
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something that I'll share it tonight when we get on
the air. This will just tell you everything about his
character and what they believe in at Ohio State in
that position room with Brian Hartline as their coach. Jeremiah
Smith was going to come in as a true freshman
and a Mecca of Buca stayed back and he wanted
to play an extra year, not just for himself and
to win a championship and so on and so forth,
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but he wanted to make sure that Jeremiah Smith had
a connection to the lineage of the brotherhood of all
the guys that are going to the National Football League,
so that you can say that, yeah, it starts, you know,
all the way back Terry McLaurin and Paris Campbell and
then Chris o'lave and then Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith
and Jigba and then Marvin Harrison and a Mecca Bucah
and Jeremiah Smith. He understood the links in that chain
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and wanted to stay back and mentor Jeremiah Smith, who
might be better than all of them here in a
couple of years. And that's one of the reasons he
stayed back in Columbus.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So you know, I've said this before. Dan Marino and
Aaron Rodgers famously dropped in the draft and they got
Green Bay and Don Shula with nil money. Now, it
doesn't bother me at all. If I had a son
and you told me Cleveland, the Giants are the Steelers.
I'd say, dropping the draft and go to Pittsburgh. I
don't love what they're doing, but they're really well run.
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They draft and develop players. So if Shador is dropping,
he's not going to be a savior in Pittsburgh. They're
just looking for a starting quarterback. The Giants in Cleveland
are looking for somebody to get him out of messes.
What do you make of the reports that he's dropping.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
They're true? First of all, I think it's fifty to
fifty that Pittsburgh takes him. I know that their visit
went really well. And there's also this this I won't
call it an issue, but there's this point that no
one is making. Everyone's just talking about from the NFL
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perspective and the decision maker's perspective. And I will say this, Remember,
Shadoor has only played for his dad his whole life. Yeah, Colin,
I think sometimes we forget that the league one the
only head coach he's known is coach Prime. And so
I think that there is some thought in the Sanders
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camp that it's not only about the organizational fit, but
the head coaching fit. And I know that they would
love to play for Mike Tomlin. So you know, however
that happens, I think that that's probably the place that
Shudor would like to end up for all of the
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reasons you were talking about. And this idea of the
alpha head coach who's who's hyper confident and very successful,
runs a clean program. I think that that's attractive for
the Sanders camp as well. And that's something that not
a lot of people have talked about.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
So I had a general manager tell me it's a
starless draft, and Abdull Carter's a star. Somebody's going to
take him high. You had, You did Micah Parsons games
at Penn State, you did Abdul Carter games. Is he
in that class? Is he as good as Micah?
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I think he can be, because think about it, Micah.
You know, Micah's dynamic, and he's creative, and he can
play everywhere. I think as an off the ball linebacker,
you can make an argument Micah is the better player.
But I think as a pure edge rusher, I think
Abduall Carter is better. I think he's a touch longer
and a little bit more explosive in terms of his
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get off and pass rushing acumen. So as creative as
Dallas can be. With Michaeh Parsons as good as he is,
there's this in my mind. I think that as a
pass rusher and a disruptive force behind the line of scrimmage,
that abduall Carter could maybe even be better than what
Micah has been in the National Football League. And listen,
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that's high praise, obviously, because I hold Micah and as
maybe the best defender in the sport right now. But
abduall Carter has that ability, and I would just remind
people he's only played edge rusher for one season. Last
year was the first time that he moved down and
played edge kind of full time and then moved him
around a little bit. But you looked at him getting
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better and better and better all year, and then with
one arm against Notre Dame in that CFP game, he
had seven pressures and was a game wrecker against Notre Dame.
You know, to me, like, this guy's a no brainer.
I think that he makes your team better and I
would be shocked if New York doesn't select him at three.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So I was saying earlier, it's Georgia players, even if
they have character issues, even if they've underachieved a little.
The bottom line is they get to the pros and
they deliver. Ohio State's got some of that where Ohio
State guys practice against Ohio State guys, and you know,
if you draft a corner from Ohio State, he has
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been covering in practice for three years. First round receivers.
So I do look at these Georgia players, some of
which have underachieved a little. Do you think teams think
about that and go, you know, he's a Buckeye, he
competes against World Clay. I look at Ohio State and
Georgia players. I did this with Saban and Bama. I'd
be like, well, if Nick trusts him, you know, it's
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I mean, do you do you think teams think about that?
But like a Georgia Ohio State, I.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Think that teams are seeing some of these players in Gosham.
I'm blanking names off the top of my head, but
you're seeing some players right now in the league, you know,
go double digit sacks every single year that didn't have
much production in their college career. And so when you
look at defensive linemen and particular edge rushers in this draft,
you've got a lot of guys that you can put
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into two camps. Traits measurables, you know, potential or production
at the college level. So you've got the Mike Green's
or the Donovan Ezerakus who had seventeen sixteen and a
halfs last year, led the country, led the Power Forward,
and you've got that camp, or you've got the Shamar
Stewarts and some of these other guys that may be
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underperformed on the stat sheet but have the traits that
would suggest that they can come in and be a
explosive in the National Football League. I think that the
trend is towards traits because you're seeing players who's the
guy Gosh, he was selected number one overall, tray Von Walker, right.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, for JAXI.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Yeah, and he did not have much, he didn't start
even much at Georgia, and now he's becoming a guy
that has i think ten and a half sacks last year.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I'm hearing a lot of that out of NFL decision makers.
But one thing that I would just throw in there.
I know it's not specific to this question, Colin, but
I think it's an interesting overarching theme that now we're
going to have to deal with when we're talking about
the transactional nature of college football. I'm hearing more and
more and more of the question marks from these gms
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and coaches around the league of does this guy love football?
And it just strikes me that as college football becomes
more transactional around transfer, portal and nil, we're teaching kids
that the biggest issue or or thing that they should
be concerned about is their brand and how much money
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they're making. So then a lot of them make a
lot of money in college football, and then they sit
in these meetings in the draft process with these assistant
coaches that they make ten times more money then and
they're like, I don't like, who are you? And so
there's been more of that going on this year of hey,
this was a bad meeting this or that, and it's like, hey,
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there's a lot of bitter assistant coaches in the National
Football League that have not made a ton of money
and they have not moved up the ladder. And then
these kids walk in and they don't kiss their butts,
and so then they run around to the next guy
that'll write an article for him and they start talking
about how this kid's interviews were terrible. There's a lot
of that going on it's a different nature of the
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draft process, I think this year than any other year
that I've covered.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Okay, finally, I watched cam Ward at Washington State. I
thought he was really talented. I didn't think first overall
picking the draft. I watched them at Miami. I thought, ah,
he's really talented. I don't really think he's the number
one pick in the draft, and now he is. So
is this a matter of he plays the position and
the team drafting really needs him. When you watched him
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in college, when did you ever think, Wow, he could
be a number one pick. I thought that with Caleb
four games into USC. I thought it with Jayden Daniels
at LSU. I'm like, this kid put on weight from ASU.
That kid's a baller. I never looked at cam as
a number one pick. Is this just position and need?
Did you did you see him in college as a
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dominant player?
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Well, let's let's let's reframe it, because we're not grading
on a scale of one hundred to be the number
one overall pick. We're not rating him to be the
number one one overall pick. We are rating him on
a scale, you know, like this on a curve. Excuse me,
and the curve is what else is available. If you're Tennessee,
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you have to select the best of a quarterback period.
Cam Ward is the best available quarterback this year. I
happen to believe it's a bad year to be in
that position for Tennessee. If you're looking at the twelve
guys that were selected in the top or excuse me,
the six guys that were selecting the first twelve picks.
A year ago, I think cam would maybe be fifth
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or sixth in that class, probably outside of the top six.
And yet this year he's going to be number one.
That's not a knock against Cam, that's just that's the
year in which he's coming out. He's got great confidence,
great arm strength, a quick release. He can threaten every
blade of grass out there. But there's no doubt he's
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going to have to grow and develop at the next level.
And I think that he can. I really do. But
it's a curve. It's not a scale to one hundred,
it's a curve, and he's got the right year to
be at the top of the curve.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, he's got the right year. That's absolutely Joel AaB
real quick.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
I know you put up your mock draft. Let me
just tell you, Okay, Genti's going five Jacksonville. Okay, So
switch that Mimbo does not get past the Bears. There's
no chance Mimbo is going to be a top ten pick.
Will Johnson is sliding along with Jihad Campbell because of
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injury issues and medicals. And if the Rams are trading,
it would be for Amrion Hampton. And if there's a
trade for Loveland, it's likely to be Denver. So watch
out for that. Yours is really good, really good. You're right,
you're on the same track as most people. Oh, Will's
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a very good informable watch out for Mimbo.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
In the top ten, so Will Johnson. So the Bears
would go offense again. They've done a lot of intive line.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I think offensive line.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
What about the Niners in Kelvin Banks. They need offensive linemen, Yeah,
they do, but.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
They need everything. Remember like they're decimated from free agencies,
so they need to rebuild their roster overall. So I
believe that they're gonna just take the best overall player
that they hey as they see on the board.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
If the Rams like Hampton, is that acknowledging that Blake
Koram was a miss.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
That's a that's a good thought, that's a possibility, there's
no doubt. It's also an acknowledgement that Hampton is a
pretty dynamic player, both catching it and running it. So
like I think that that Sean really likes him. I
don't know if they're gonna they're gonna trade because they
also love Colston Loveland and they also love a Mecca
of Buca. So in my mind, I think they would
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be happy with any of those three, and they feel
like they could probably stand pat and get one of
those three they're hoping omi On drops to them. I
don't think that they would release capital to go get them,
knowing that they love Colston Loveland as well as a
Mecca Buca.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
This is so much fun. Joe Klatt good see anybody.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Good?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Good as you too, Bud all right.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Green Bay, Joel Klatt, all over it tonight in the
heartland of not only the country but the NFL.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Hey did you see Daniel Jeremiah did not have Will
Johnson in the first round of his final mock draft
that he dropped last night. So something weird is going
on with Will Johnson. I think he's a top fifteen player.
He's really good. But the health stuff that Klatt talked about,
coupled with Jeremiah not having him in his final mock
draft first round, a little surprising.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
He's the best corner in the draft, I think, best
pure corner. Like he's amazing. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Wow, that's drunk. That'd be shocked.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, I would be stunned.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, that is crazy. Now he did have injury issues
at Michig.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
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Speaker 1 (25:53):
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the very latest. So it looks like the Rams and
the Broncos both are considering a move up to get
a special offensive piece. You're hearing the team act the
receiver from Arizona and Will Johnson, the corner from Michigan
who I love, is moving down. I still think Mason
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Graham is the cleanest prospect in the whole thing. Not spectacular,
but every time I watched him, he was great. J
Mack of the news, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
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Speaker 3 (26:26):
Right, let's go back to the draft, Colin.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
It's tonight from Green Bay, and everybody wants to know
where Schiduer's standards will land. Well Dion had an interesting
take comparing his son's pre draft criticism to that of
Lamar Jackson, saying, we still see some bull junk every year,
but Lamar was probably the most recent that was just ridiculous, insulting,
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but God was in that to get him where he.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Needed to go, the city of Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Now, if you remember, I wasn't obviously on the show
when this happened, but Lamar by some pundits being told
he needs to change positions.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Remember that a famous guy who was I think in
the Colt's.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Front office, and then he got shoved off the network
right after saying this nonsense. I mean, Lamar has won
two MVPs. Are people being too critical of Shador? I
don't know that he's gonna win two mbps?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
But yeah, I mean I didn't agree with that Lamar take.
It was terrible, uninfortable, But I mean Lamar was a
spectacular athlete. Well Chador is not. And also there are
times like the Lamar draft was a very good quarterback
draft and a very good overall draft. So I do think,
like if Cam mord was in last year's draft, I
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think cam Ward is a second round quarterback. I really do.
I don't think. I think there were so many quarterback
I mean, I like Michael Penix as a prospect more
than Cam Mood. Now, Panix is not It's not that athletic.
But this week Laan Zerline said cam Ward's Bonicks. Now,
I like Phonix, but I like phone Nicks. With Sean Payton,
he's better than bon Nicks. Well, you're right with.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Sean Payton to go to Lamar. I'm fairly certain. I
tried to check this out.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
That was the draft for.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Josh Rosen went to the Cardinals at like ten. Now,
I don't know if you was that your guy kid
doing that taking Josh.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Rosen next year that took Kyler.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yeah, Josh Rosen basically is delivering your Uber eats now
and Lamar's got two MVPs. And Josh Rosen went ten
well and Lamara went thirty seconds, Like nobody knows what
they're doing in quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, I think people can spot talent, but I think
what we don't consider enough with quarterback is and people
don't like to look in the mirror. Is your organization
capable of developing this young quarterback? Baltimore is? I mean,
look at where look at where the quarterbacks flourish. Baltimore
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well run, Kansas City historically well run, Green Bay well run.
Isn't it funny those organizations always get quarterback right because
the kid as he stumbles early. No, it's like having
great parents. I mean, and then look at the places
where quarterbacks go to die. But Carol Liina, so it's
not Chicago. So you know, we always look at nobody
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knows how to draft quarterbacks. Look at the places that
regularly hit on quarterback. Well, they're better owned and better rock.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Sometimes you get lucky Buffalo post. Jim Kelly, do you
remember those twenty years?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, I remember Tyrod Taylor got to the playoffs. Stop
when they got Bean and they got McDermott, they were
at least a high functioning organization. Plus they got Terry
Pakooler the owner. So you didn't love them, but they
had owner gm and coach in place. They made the playoffs.
But Tyrod I understood.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
So Washington made it with QB one. Matt Sarrasin from
Friday Night lights. Basically Taylor Heinike like, come on, like
things happen, they're weird. I'm just saying, I don't know
if Chador going to Pittsburgh is the best landing spout.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Honestly, no.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
If I was Shodor, there's other places, right, Minnesota, right,
But if you're giving me Giants or Pittsburgh, I take Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
How long is Dabel going to be there? Because I
like Dable? I mean, listen, we could say Josh Allen's
the VP. He didn't thrive until Dabo kind of got
coached him up in Buffalo, right right, all right?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Next story, h jeez, we got to talk about this
guy again.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Patrick Mahomes, your favorite quarterback in the league, the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
You know, listen, they got how many different adjectants?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Guy, I used to describe what happened in the Super Bowl.
I got their teeth kicked in.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
It was bad. It is funny when you think about this,
the last two Super Bowl blowouts was Mahomes losing? Oh good?
I mean seriously, We've got a bunch of good super Bowls.
The last two bad ones. Malms got crushed. So what
does it tell you? Why did he get crushed? They
had a left tackle issue both Super Bowls. It doesn't
matter who you are.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Well, the left.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Tackle was working great with Toney until the Super Bowl
when the Eagles were like, you got.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
No chance against us. Anyways, Mahomes is.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Now talking about getting back for she Rice in Hollywood Brown,
and they want to attack the aerial attack the way
they used to in the past.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Everything looks great right now. I mean getting the guys
back healthy as far as she and having a Hollywood
fully healthy and Xavier in year two, I think the
offense has a chance to be really, really good. It's
just about keeping building. I'm excited to kind of have
these guys again and just with we've had a lot
of turnover in the receiving room, and it seems like
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the core group will be back in its entirety. So
the goal is to try to build on it and
get even better and try to get back to some
of the explosive passing plays that we've done in your steps.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I like that video.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
You see the regulation size pool table in the background
with the red felt that's impressive, right with the Chiefs Red. Yeah, listen, well,
I like Mahomes, you weren't here, but I said the
Chiefs would not make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
No, I don't think that's a crazy take.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
I don't. It's obviously not a crazy take. It's a
great take. That being said, Chiefs fans a right rate,
and if you look at the roster column, I don't
see how they go back to the deep passing game
when the offensive line's not better and the receivers we
don't know. He's talking about Hollywood Brown, like do we
know if he's good? Well, no, he's not great, Okay,
Raci Rice, I like him along good season and then
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I mean he's had has anymore had more police encounters
and touchdowns of the last year.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It is now the best division in football. And they
went eleven to zero one scored games. There's no question
they're not going to equal last year's record. They're not. Then,
if you don't have a top eight to ten offensive line,
you're not going to go on long winning streams. So
Joe Tooney worked in the regular season, he got to
a super Bowl. It didn't work. Yeah, so they and
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they got worse on the old line. They lost Tooney,
who was their best alignment and the guy they went
and got a backup in San Francisco to be a
left tackle.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
He's unproven.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I mean, you know, I don't know what Chiefs fans
are excited about.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
If you want to tell me, we got Mahomes and
read great? What else you got? What else do they have?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Colin Well, Chris Jones pretty good? One more year, Travis Kelsey.
I like their defense. I think their defense in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Do you remember his stats?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah? How do you do it? He's a pretty good player, Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Wow does that go?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
He's a pretty good player.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
He's that a great career. Final story, Calum back to
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Celtics went up two oh last night, did not cover
against the Magic but got the dub.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Now Kristaps porzingis, Oh, okay, that's shit.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That was brutal.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
That light looks like you in one of your barroom
brawls that.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
You got into.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Look at it. I mean kind of a dirty elbow. Anyways.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Uh, he needed five stitches to close the bleeding. But
Joe Mizzoula, who says some wacky stuff, he loved it.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
I think his overall just approach. I think he has
an ability and innate ability to take things very serious
and at the same time, you know, have great perspective,
and you know, you see how he I think he
can control his environment really well with how he handles
the crowd and how he handles the physicality of it,
and he can maintain his kind of his poise and
he just has a great way about him. And I
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think that that that helps us. And like, yeah, I do.
I love watching him. I like watching him lead on
the court. I think it's important.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, Mizula is a very very much a UFC tough guy.
He likes all that training and Navy Seal stuff, so
his he likes his teams not to be cute.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I like the Navy Seal stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
By the way, I've talked with some dads, you know
how Sandy down in San Diego they have that, Like
you could do the Navy Seal training.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Than do you any interest in joining us? Nope, we'll
got we got a group they're gonna do help. No,
it's just like a fun, cool thing where you're clearing.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'll go to Old Navy and get some khakis, go
to you go train with Navy Seal.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
You don't think that'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
You got one life, buddy, Come on, you got a
few more years where you could do Navy seal.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
T I don't want to be submerged in a tank
fighting for my life. Sorry, call me not? What is it?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Officer and a gentleman?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Come on? Doesn't sound fun of me. J mcklenews.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
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Speaker 1 (34:58):
You've got it right.
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Speaker 1 (35:34):
I'm not a believer, and you can't do this, or
you can't do that. When I got into sportscafting years ago,
those always to say, you can't talk about politics, Hey
you can. Comedians talk about politics. Sports guys talk about politics.
You talk about politics. Everybody talks about politics. Oh you
can't talk politics. Why not? It's a great brand. A
lot of people talk politics. I do it infrequently. I've
(35:56):
talked to it. I'm fine. I don't buy into this. You
can't draft this this guy here that Like, people don't
want to draft running backs in the first round. A
good running back touches the ball twenty times a game.
How much does a good defensive tackle touch it? I
mean again, I like Mason Graham. Ashton genty is going
(36:17):
to average one hundred yards a game, very possibly if
he goes to Jacksonville at five or Raiders at six.
I mean, at one hundred yards what a team's average
every week in offense four hundred and fifty yards or something.
He gets a quarter of him just one guy, Like,
I don't. I don't care that he's a running back.
If a guy's great, he's great. It's a starless draft.
He's a star. You can't you can't draft a kicker well,
(36:41):
Belichick end ended up drafting a kicker that was a
all time great kicker. Kickers are off in your leading scorers.
You can't draft a leading scorer in every other sport baseball, hockey, basketball,
international soccer. Don't don't. Wouldn't you draft a leading scorer?
So I I just don't. I don't buy into rules. Well,
(37:02):
you can't do this, and you can't do that. Half
the companies that are in this country. I mean, remember
the old saying you do not get into a car
with a stranger. It's called uber It's a thriving billion
dollar business. So I, you know, I just my take
is you can do whatever feels right. I would never
draft a kicker in the first round, but Sean McVay
(37:23):
knows what he's doing. They drafted a kicker. I think
Hat of Stanford last year, good kicker. Now the Niners
reached on a kicker doesn't necessarily look like a good move.
They probably drafted him higher than I would, But I
you know, I mean, the only thing that appears to
be true that in the history of the NFL draft,
almost every great left tackle is a first round pick.
(37:47):
And the reason for that is God only creates so
many six seven men with good feet, six seven, three
hundred and twenty pound men with good feet. It's it's
the George Young theory, who's an old now has passed along.
He was a general manager of the New York Giants,
and he used to call it the planet theory, which
(38:07):
is the planet only gives you one or two six
foot six men that are over three hundred pounds a
year with really good feet. You know, It's like in
the NBA, how many seven feet men can run the
floor dribble. That's why Wemby and Kevin Durant are so exceptional.
They're just not a lot of guys that size we
can do that. And so outside of that where most
(38:28):
of your great left tackles, historically our first round picks
just because of scarcity of that size and that fluidity
and nimbleness for that position. But we got Tom Brady
going in the sixth and Brock Purty in the seventh,
and Mark Brunell in the fifth, and Joe Montana in
the third or fourth and Dak in the fourth. Quarterbacks
come from all places. But I have no problem drafting
(38:50):
and running. I was a big believer in Bejon Robinson
for Atlanta. I don't think they've used him enough. They
used to be. Don't draft a tight end early. I
don't know. I watched Brock Powers. Now Kyle Pitts has
been disappointing. Brock Powers is unguardable, uncoverable. So I'm just
for what's the best player of it in the first
twenty picks of the draft? What's the best player of it?
(39:12):
After that, you can reach a little bit. If you
have a need in the third round and you need
to tight end badly and you know he's not one
of the top five or six players you have in
that space, but he's eight or ninth, I'd reach seven
or eight nine picks if I absolutely needed something. When
I go to the grocery store, I go buy what
I need, not what the best value is. The A
(39:34):
draft is a little bit like a grocery store. Like
you have certain needs, you either have to get them
through free agency, and if you don't, you have to
get them through the draft, And sometimes it doesn't line
up and you have to reach for a guy.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
So that's a great point about value.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
There's this idea in the draft about surplus value.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
What are the most.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Expensive positions to pay in the NFL quarterback, edge rusher,
left tackle, an increasingly wide receiver right. So if you
can draft one of those at the top and the
top ten, you have huge value. Travis Hunter is going
to be one of the lowest paid receivers in the
league because he's on his rookie deal, but he's got
huge value because he's a star. So the idea is
(40:12):
running backs. They don't have a ton of value, right.
I know Saquon can be added to a contender, but
drafting a running back high doesn't make a ton of
sense because if you're building something Colin like, you're going
to drive him into the ground on his first deal
and then you move on like. That's why gent at
five doesn't make as much sense as say a left
tackle or an edge rusher. But Jacksonville has two edge rushers,
(40:33):
they have their quarterback, so are they ready for a
running back or do they go, hey, we need that
left tackle. And I think that's an interesting question. If
I'm Jacksonville, I'd probably go left tackle. Or you could
argue Mason Graham defensive tackle. Has he could be a
Christal takes play here? Okay, let me pushed back. Genty
is transformational. There is no great left tackle in the draft.
(40:54):
I think Kelvin Banks is a really good tackle, very good.
So again it depends.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Also, this is a starless draft, like so you're gonna
make exceptions like Abdul Carter needs surgery and won't get one.
But he's one of the four guys in this draft
that dominates every game he plays it. So there's a
lot of different factors here. But I'm not I think
it's okay. I mean, I'm not turned off by he's small.
He went to Boise stated, he's a running back. Everybody
(41:21):
I've talked. I talked to him an exec this morning.
He's like, listen, man, that guy's gonna work day one
in the pros. That is that kid is a star. Yes,
that's what everybody thinks. Then go draft them. If you
need a running back, if you have a young quarterback,
they all love great running back.
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