April 23, 2025 • 42 mins
NFL draft expert Lance Zierlein joins the show in studio to break down Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders and Ole Miss quarterback Jaxson Dart
Thoughts on the Jaguars possibly trading down in the draft
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's our
two first one flew by Draft begins tomorrow, Warriors Rockets tonight.
J Mack is just throwing throwing hypotheticals at me left
and right. Now he's got his legs under him because
yesterday he got into town Monday, and yesterday was his
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first show back from Japan, so he.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Was a little groggy. But today it's very laser folks. Well,
you know, it's fun. We could spaw on anything. Yesterday's
talk about the top American basketball player that's down there
wild in the internet.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
People loved our discussion, and I hope the overrated one
doesn't go wow because we disagree.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We disqued. I will tell you this, listen. I don't
even know why this is, but hockey guy you can
know's hockey guys insecure in America anytime you talk about
the NBA, hockey's better. Nobody watches hockey. The ratings for
the playoffs last year, hockey ratings this year. ESPN signed
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a bad contract. It's not viable. The NBA's fine. It
lollwas be fine because it's a star driven league, which
has a cultural impact in America. Okay, you can name
fifteen NBA players. You don't even have to like the league.
You can name four Warriors, right like nobody's sportscasters in
America can't name six hockey players. So the ratings came
out over the weekend for the playoffs. It was the
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highest TV ratings in twenty five years. Well, it was
easter whatever, they were good games. The bottom line is
the NBA got off to a really slow start because
it was an election year October November. Even the NFL
was down. Okay, and also we had a Yankee Dodger
World Series, we had a college football playoff. It was
a distracted nation. The NBA works, and they just signed
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a seventy six billion dollar contract because it's star driven,
and folks, I've been in this business for a long time.
Here's what works. Every industry in a distracted nation with
stars the UFC was more popular when Connor McGregor and
John Jones were in their prime. It still makes a
lot of money, but those guys drove huge revenue. Baseball
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right now, it's got all its stars in the right markets. Otani, Freeman,
Betts in La Aaron Judge and Soto in New York.
It's got its stars in the right place. Harper Philadelphia,
Ocunya Atlanta. You don't want your you know, like in
the beginning of the NBA season you had Oklahoma City
in Cleveland crushing it and then Jimmy Butler goes to
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San Francisco. Luke who goes to Los Angeles. This is
not the NFL. Baseball and basketball need the right players
in the right markets and the right close series to
get numbers. The league is fine. It's fine. By the way. Uh,
the election was the most polarizing of my life. October, November,
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and half of December. People were watching more politics. You know. Now,
now they were really watching Fox News. They weren't watching
the other one. But the point being is when we're distracted,
numbers go down. Sometimes we are all right. So a
guy that I trust, Dad used to coach in the NFL.
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He works at NFL dot Com radio star co host
on the bench in Houston. He is joining us. Lance
Serline is in studio and we do not get Lance
in studio much. It's great to see my man.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Good to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So that's the way I'm all over the Rockets and
Warriors tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's a great series. That way one can shoot one's athletics.
That what makes it Great's right, Let's start with the
quarterback class, Macro. How does it compare to last year's
perception great quarterback class?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I would say from a comparison, it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's not even close to last year's.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
However, if you take a look at just the top end,
we're going to go cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Cam Ward for me, he would fit in.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
I have the same grade on him that I had
on bow Knicks, so it's the same grade. But bo
Nicks went to the perfect fit, right. Sean Payton was
the absolute perfect fit. When you look at Shador Sanders,
he would not have been in that first round mix.
I think he is in the first round mix this year. Obviously,
Chador is going to go into first this year. He
would have gone maybe in the second round last year,
maybe even in the third round because teams don't like,
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they don't like drafting players in the second round. There's
only been six quarterbacks drafted in the second round over
the last ten years. Wow, thirty five first rounders and
fourteen third rounders. So it's like that's a line of demarcation.
You're either a starter or you're a back cup And
you know, I think with cam Ward he would have
been probably the seventh quarterback off the board based on
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how it it tracked. But I think he deserved to
be in that conversation last year. That's the only quarterback
I would have had in that conversation. Would not have
had Dart, would not have had Shad or Standers in
that conversation last year.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So the kid I talked about this yesterday, the kid
that is being overshadowed in this draft is Traveon Henderson
for Ohio State. So because Genty's such a unique five
eight Boise State guy, all the attention and then Hampton
is great, kind of a Joe Mixon but more burst
level player. So nobody's paying attention to Travian Henderson and
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he was a jump he was a pop off the
TV player for me that when he touched the ball
and got a little space. I don't know what his
forty time is, but how do you view him in
the class?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
To me, he is.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
A bigger He's a bigger difference maker, and I've got
a higher grade on him than Omaron Hampton. Wow, that
gent I think is special. He's my top player in
the entire draft. I have the highest grade on him.
He's not gonna go first, But the last time I
did that was Sakwon Barkley in that amazing eighteen draft.
I had Barkley there and Quenton Nelson second. Rokwan was
in that draft. It was a great draft. But with
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Trayvon Henderson, I'm with you. If you didn't learn anything
from Jamier Gibbs and what the Detroit Lions did, then
you're just not paying enough attention to football. Having a
player like Trayvon Henderson, he took the momentum had left
was gone from Ohio State against Texas. He takes that
swing pass, that little screen and takes at the distance
for a touchdown before the half.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
He has that ability.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
If you look at him versus quin Shawn Judkins, the
same exact offensive line, he averaged like one point eight
yards more per carry than Judkins, and that just gets
to his burst, his explosiveness, and the game is based
on explosive plays and the ability to create touchdowns from
anywhere on the field, and Henderson and Genti are the
two guys that have that.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Okay, we hear the Giants because I think that the
draft starts with a giant. Yeah, right, so we know
it's Cammore Travis Hunter. Don't don't have any problem with
those picks. We hear they're split in the building on
Shoudor Sanders. How would you react to that.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I've heard that it's not a split. I've heard they're
in alignment, that it's not shudor Sanders. So that's what
I've heard, and so I don't think Shudar Sanders is
in play at three at all.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I think they like for you to believe it.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
But one of the things that's happening is it seems
like there's a lot of teams that want you to
believe that they're in on Shudor Sanders because they think
they're going to elicit a phone call and a trade up.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I don't think it's going to happen.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I think he goes twenty one of the Pittsburgh Steelers,
but I do see the Giants potentially. I've heard day
Ball likes Jackson Dart and so if that's the case,
going from the early second round into the first round
for Jackson Dart somewhere in the twenties. You know, the
Vikings don't have a lot of draft picks. The Vikings
could be a spot that you trade into for Jackson Dart.
That's a that's been a targeted spot for me. The
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twenty fourth pick. I put Shit Sanders at twenty four
with in one of my mock drafts, with Cleveland trading
up instead. I think he could be the Giants moving
up to Minnesota's picking the twenty fourth pick. They need
a safety, they could maybe get one in an early
second So I think Jackson Dark could make it into
the first but it has to be a trade up,
and I don't think the Saints will take him at
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number nine.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Okay, so I'm not a scout. I play one on
TV kind of. So I said yesterday, the one player
I love unequivocally. I watched him play fifteen times and
he just rolled people was Mason Graham. Now I know everybody.
Now my gms are like yes, he's good, He's not
as good as you think. And my take is, well,
in this draft, you know, Michigan games were on TV
Harbaugh Michigan, so you got a lot of him. And
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I don't know what his ceiling is, but I watched
him grab and throw Mannheim from USC who will get
drafted Ohio State guys physically dominate people. How do scouts
look at him?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Well, they told you and I'm kind of the same way.
I think he is a safe player with a high floor.
I think the ceiling is pretty limited. He's not a
long limb player. He's not somebody that can leverage his
way around around NFL offensive line and I think his
strength and his leverage will be mitigated a little bit
by NFL strength. You know, there's some NFL people who
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think Kenneth Grant has the higher upside his team or now.
For me, Grant is like second round tape. He's going
to get drafted in the first round. Mason Graham is safe.
Walter Nolan from All Miss is the best defensive tackle
on this draft. Walter Nolan is explosive on all three downs.
He's disruptive in the backfield on first and second If
you want to try to throw. No one is better
getting into the pocket from these early round defensive tackles
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than Walter Nolan from All miss The knock on him
is that he's high maintenance, and so you know, we've
been dropping him back in mock drafts, dropping him back. Now,
talk to a couple of executives who said, hey, he's
too talented. You better start pushing him forward because all
those problems that pop up that you're worried about early
in the process, once it gets time to really make
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the pick, and you got to put your job on
the line, you start drafting the best talent.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So I said this, I don't think we'll have a
ton of movement at the top of the draft. But
what's fascinating to me about this draft. The NFL has
been taken over by offensive coaches. If you look at
like the twentieth pick on, it's a lot of smart
offensive guys, right. There's a lot of mcveigh's and Andy
Reid's and Sean Payton's in that space, no doubt, And
I could see him moving up for guys. So if
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I said to you, there's a guy that is a
second round grade, maybe, but you think one of these
offensive coaches is going to go that guy is a starter,
who's gonna end up in the first that the mock
drafts all have in the second.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
That's a really good question. You know, Mason Taylor is
one guy that I think could surprise people. Bukah's going
in the first.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, so he is for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
See I can't say Aguka because he's in. I'm locking, all.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Right, So yesterday I said if he is the first
pick on the second day, there will be major sitters
because I think he's a can't miss.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I think he is. We talked about the safety of
Mason Graham. You're finding out that what NFL teams like
right now is a lot of check marks. And so
when it comes to competitive spirit, football character, the ability
to run good routes. He's got a pedigree, he's got
a winning you know, he's played with other championship caliber
players at Buka just doesn't What do you not like
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about him? I think his speed is average and maybe
he's a slot only player. Yeah, and that's fine, but
there's a lot of teams that need a slot wide.
Of course, there's a lot especially one who can be
a high volume possession guy. But guys who love you
know my Houston Texans. I cover the Texans in Houston,
Jamiko Ryan, Jamiko RAN's right now. The head coach wants
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a quote unquote swarm mentality, and it's an acronym that
has to do it. Basically, you're a guy who's high
football character and your work ethic and everything is you know,
right on point.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
He's one of those type of guys.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
And so when you have that late in the first round,
you want to start hitting those singles and doubles, and
a Mecca ag Buka is going to be probably a
double and that's why you draft him in the first round.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So I couldn't give.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
You your eg Buka because I've already got him in
the first round. But LSU's Mason Taylor. Jason Taylor's his son,
and then of course Zach Thomas's nephew. Guy's got NFL bloodlines.
He is a competitive, competitive Tieway.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I watched his games. Yeah, productive baller.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Baller baller, And I think and I love Colston Lovelin,
and I love ty Warren, but Tyler Warren, but I
think that Mason Taylor is a small step below those
guys and to me, I wouldn't have any problem taking
him in the back half of the first round.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
If you're looking for.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Kansas City would be a great selection for Mason Taylor,
a possession wide receiver with the ability to make plays
after the catch, in a great bloodline, and you know, frankly,
I just think a really high up.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I said this yesterday that this is my Jackson
Dart thing. And I don't want to pick on the
kid because he's he's an NFL talent, but there is
I've seen this before. I saw it with Paxton Lynch
and EJ. Manuel a little bit with Mitch Trubisky. The
guys get better when they stop playing. So the season ends,
I see them and I'm like, yeah, that's a second
third round quarterback, And all of a sudden, it's like,
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it's amazing. They get so much better not playing. And
some of it is don't go to the grocery store
when you're hungry. Some of it is, you know, so
the giants are hungry. So why And I have no
problem if I'm wrong on this? Why is he a
first round quarterback?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Well, I've got a third round grade on him. WHOA yeah,
But I mean a grade is not where I project him.
I project him first. Second is where I project him.
My grade would be third round. I project him as
a low end starter to really good backup.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
And Okay, so you see him as I THEE.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah, I do. I watched your segment yesterday. I thought
you were dead on on all of that.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Now I will address what you said about rising in
the process. First, I think what happens is we have
a national narrative and a perception based on you know,
people to who talk college football, maybe some early draft
riders and things like that, and so we have an
idea of this is where a player is. But then
as NFL evaluators get involved and as coaches start getting involved.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Now that's interest. Now tell the audience is totally different.
So the first people to look at this scouts.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
So it's first as regional scouts, then area of scouts.
Now you're director of scouting. And then you know your
general manager is already busy. He's not a lot of
gms aren't even worried about players in the fall. They're
trying to worry about their NFL team. And then once
the season's over, the GM start getting involved. Then you
bring the coaches involved. Coaches have to look at their
own free agents, then other free agents, and then they're
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getting to senior ball on combine, and they don't even
know most of these players by combine, To be honest
with you, they have. My dad told me I only
watch a few snaps on all these guys. I've got
to really start learning them at the combine. And so
what happens is coaches then become involved. So a team
may have an a front office may have an idea,
but now coaches are talking to quarterbacks. What's his football knowledge,
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how does he read defenses, what's his what's his demeanor
like when he walks in the room. Do we feel him,
does he have a does he have some juice in
the room? And that can change perception quite a bit.
You know, inside a building there can be battles between
the front office season here, but the coaching staff who's
got to coach him see him completely different.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
So that could be.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
One of the reasons as well. But to your point
on Jackson Dart, I listen to what you said.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I can't help but remember how I took the bite
out of the Matt Corral apple. I like Matt corral
a lot. I just think that old Miss offense is
really favorable to quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Now.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It doesn't mean Jackson Dark can't play. He can play,
but he's.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Got an average arm. He's accurate, I think he has
he really has to put something into it. I stood
on the field next to him. I wanted to see
and feel all those quarterbacks throw at the combine. I mean,
he's got to really, you know, get a lot into
it to drive the ball. But he is accurate, and
a lot of coaches like his demeanor. I just think
there's a lot of open one on one throws down
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the field, and then there's a lot of stick routes
just quick hitches to Trey Harris on tape as well,
So it's harder to get that first round feel for
Jackson dart Fright.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I think over the next twenty years, Lance Zerline joining
us for our radio audience covering the NFL draft of
the last twenty four years. I think over the next
twenty years, you're gonna see multiple Travis Hunters, athletes like
Shoheyo Tani. They're just getting.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Bigger playing both ways.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You mean, yeah, I think it's I think like Sho
Hay was. We would have laughed ten years ago if
you said there's gonna be a guy that's an ace
and hits leadoff, that would have been ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's like, and now you say, if you said ten
years ago, it's gonna be a guy, it's gonna be
starting corner and receiver. I mean, we had Dion, but
it was more return game and corner. And so I look,
I look at him and I think, when I watched
Travis Hunter, there are very few people, even pro athletes
on Earth, that are have an energy they never tire.
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It's Michael Jordan had it right. I'll go if eighteen
holes in the Sun and then I'll play Larry Bird
and the Celtics to night and draw forty eight.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Steph has that too, by the way, right.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Just the cardioor whatever. I look at him and I think, yeah,
he can play both. He can play eighty snaps. But
I keep going back to this, What is a defensive
coordinator on a Tuesday when he's installing Travis is going
to be in the offensive meetings your dad coach in
this league, it's not the talent. A lot of these
old decordinators they want.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
You in the room got to be in a room,
so you hit it right there. This is wahy.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
He can't play full time both ways. There's a physical component.
He's played twenty six hundred snaps over the last two years.
Twenty six hundred snaps. That is an entire career for
any other college player. He's done that just in the
last two years. So the wear and Tarry loan when
you get into the NFL. I talked to a defensive
coordinator who told me he needs to be a he
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needs to be a wide receiver so he doesn't have
to run support. Then he can come over to our
side and play corner when it's third down and he
doesn't have to tackle.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
That's that's how we would use I talked to another
team that said, no, he's a he's a lockdown corner
with incredible ball skills and instincts. And then we'll run
along the other side of the field and we'll give
him eight to nine snaps a game, either as a
decoy or as a goal line you know, a red
zone option.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
So there's gonna be different ways to look at it.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
But the reason you can't do both is your meetings
are in separate rooms. At separate times. You've got wide
receiver meetings and you've got a dB meeting. How can
you get the reps you need for both positions? Wide
receiver is one of the toughest positions to learn as
a rookie. You got to learn the playbook and you
got to tighten up your technique. Like even Travis Hunter's
got a lot of technique stuff to work on at
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wide receivers. So I think just the time spent the
reps you need, and the reps in the in the
in the meeting room, the mental reps. You can't get
that at both positions. That's something you can do maybe
later on, or you can do it part time. You
can't do it full time both ways. I love the kid,
super competitive, unending energy as you mentioned. Yeah, and he's
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my top wide receiver in the draft, and he's my
top cornerback in the draft.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
So any way you want to play him, I'm good
with him.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I'm good with elite ball skills like I've never seen
from a top cornerback.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, no, elite jumps off the TV. Yes, eighty plays
plays as hard on the eightieth play love him. Okay,
finally here, so I got to throw out. This is
just my meatball topic. I like Kyle McCord. He's a
pocket guy. There's limitations I think he makes. I think
he lets it rip. I think he's a confident kid.
He's played at a powerhouse that he didn't have to
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carry and at Syracuse where he did. I thought he
was highly productive. I think eighteen yards in totally trust him.
Not a huge arm. But I watch him and I
think to myself, if that guy landed with a McVeigh
and sat for two years, could he come out of
that draft? And you're like, yeah, he had a twelve
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year career.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
You know he is one of those guys. And it's
because of what you said. He has that mentality. Now
it's gonna work both ways. And you can say the
same thing for cam Ward right, he'll make mistakes, gonna
make mistakes, but I'm willing, as they say, you'd rather
be able to say WHOA than go You'd rather have
someone you know. One of the problems right now for
Quinn yours is you got to push it down the
field a little bit. He's everything has come back to checkdowns.
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Colin McCord, He's gonna let it rip. He's got a
little bit of a Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
He does that.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
That was he's more athletic, but he's not that athletic, No,
but a.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Better better arm than Philip Rivers, and Phil such an outlier.
He's such a one a one go for it guy,
but he will and I like that.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I liked it.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
He takes chances. Now what you have to do is
try to mitigate the mistakes a little bit. But he
is one of those guys in like the fourth round
that I think could be really really intriguing. I want
to find guys with plus traits, and I think that
aggressiveness is a plus trait for Colin McCord. So that's
not a bad that's not a bad name in the
fourth round. But honestly, once you get into the middle
rounds like I don't think there's really many secret prospects.
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And Jalen Milroe in the first you watch a lot
of college football. I don't know where people I can't
find on tape that he's anywhere near a first rounder.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Not as a quarter.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He's way too mechanical to be a great pro right,
he is so ridiculously athletic. Yes, he could be a
great piece to a team. To me, if Kaylin de
Boer has had such success Caylan was at wits end
last year. That's a guy that Michael Pennix had surgeries.
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It didn't matter, so I might if Kleen de Borr
is struggling with him, and I heard inside the building
they love the kid.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
But I think what's happened is is people are going, well,
Lamar Jackson, Lamar throws the ball from the pocket now
really well, really.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Well, really well, made a lot of improvements. Jalen Hurts
compared to Jalen Hurts, that's not fair. I think Jalen
Milroe is an elite athlete like we've never seen. I
think teams are talking about him because they want to
get an explosive player in the building. We'll figure out
where we're playing him or how we're playing later. I
just think to expect him to operate from the pocket
after watching what I saw on tape the last two years,
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because I watched every throw of the last two years.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Just the decision making right now is not good enough.
The accuracy is not good enough.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
But I get having an explosive player and an elite
athlete in the building, and we'll figure out what we're
going to do and how we're going to you know,
make the offense go with him. I totally understand that
in the first round. I just I couldn't get there
personally in the first round. That's one of those things.
And Tyler Shuck another guy that's a late comer that
we talked about before. A lot of physical traits that
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you love. Maybe second best to cam Ward, maybe right
up there with cam Ward. Been a seven year player.
In three of those years he's been you know, season
ending injury. So it's hard to put your your stamp
on that in the first round.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
All right, Lance Zerline calls to the bench ninety seven
point five in Houston Rockets Warriors tonight. That is a
great series. One team can't shoot, but has all the athletes.
The other team's old and can. So that'll be Game
two tonight. It's always a pleasure to have you love
it one more.
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Rachel Nichols Last hour Rockets Warriors gonna be a great
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Speaker 2 (23:14):
J Max.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Jmax sent me a picture last night when he was
at the game. Very nice seats.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Did my buddy Jeff who regular listener of the show. Uh, yes,
he's the tickets, you know. So I got a little fortunate.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Howard he building? Huh was the building electric?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (23:30):
My, Joe Burrow was there.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I didn't get a chance to talk to him, but
I was going to name drop you right out of
the gate. That would have helped my cause, hey, I
worked with Colin Cowherd.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He probably would talked, probably would have gotten up front.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Burrows in the expensive seats. He's hanging down there with
Jack Black and Will fare Olin.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Oh exactly. We should have been there.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Huh.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Hey, what were you doing at home taking notes?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I watched, watched the game, took notes and had an
amazing uh Uber Eats delivery o cigar. No, No, was
Uber Eats watching the game. J Mack with the news.
Now this is the Herd line news.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Is that bag stapled?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Or are we certain?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Like I thought to do stuff? I know Uber reaches money, baby,
I live off the All.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Right, let's get started with lanzerline who was just here
in the studio. He thinks Shador Sanders will be drafted
twenty first by Pittsburgh. Well, Shador was asked by Max
Crosby who his NFL Mount Rushmore is?
Speaker 7 (24:30):
Uh, Steelers Nations excited.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Here's what he said, whoever gonna be the quarterback? When
for a DK Metcalf and George Pickens? Whoever that is?
Hmmm that you think it's gonna be him? That's I mean,
the more and more I hear, I I I just
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got a little text. I'm chained my mock draft tomorrow.
So no more Share three, no more Chur three, and
a very interesting NFL team moving up into the top six.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Some like a mediocre Midwest city.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Maybe let's just stay focused on your next story.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Well wait, let me just quickly ask you, Mike Tomlin
can handle a lot of personalities. Chadure Metcalf and Pickens
in the same locker room. That's a lot of potential
star power and also a powder cake, you would agree.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I think. I think Chadur in Pittsburgh is going to
be really fun to.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
Watch until it's look at this, look at this?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Can I give you another breaking story?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Ah, I just mentioned that. I just mentioned this one
minute ago, and this just came out one year after
they tried to get brought Bowers. A source tells me
the Rams are once again interested in adding a tight
and early and could trade up to do it. Who's
the reporter on that, Diana Rossini our friend.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Huh, well, you know the Jets where to go trade
back and get more picks. You guys want to come
up and get Tyler Warren, go for it.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
RNs.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I would trade Jet, give me, give me picks. Tyler
Warren's a top ten player.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Can you imagine Matt Stafford this year gets DeVante Adams
and Tyler won.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
But make that Rams futures bet right now on them
going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Because they get Tyler Warren. More people are going to
jump on board. I'm tim I'm changing my mock draft,
so we'll do it tomorrow. Yes, all right. Next story,
the Colts.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
They were not happy with their quarterback play.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Last year, so they brought in Daniel Jones aka Danny
loose Change to try to improve it. Anthony Richardson was
the starter last year, could not complete a pass, and
he says he's excited to try to win the job.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Again, competition and brings the best out of you. And no,
that's just how life works. You know, You've got to
compete and just get better, you know, because somebody else
to the right, left or even in front of you
trying to know how it work you and be better
than you. So competition, I love it.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
As a big big boy, Anthony Richardson's at the beast.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, I mean it's really comes down to this. Can
you accurately distribute the ball down the field. I don't
doubt that he's a good kid, works hard, I don't
doubt that he's strong and athletic. This is a I
need you to be able to stand in that pocket
and accurately distribute the ball eighteen yards down the field.
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He was missing the layups.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Last year and that shows here on the screen. Lowess
passer rating last two seasons and the Colts at both
of them.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Anthony Richardson, now.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
They have got you. I mean they have a good
offensive coach.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Now again, if you did this for Josh Allen his
first two years, I'm almost certain you would have been
on this list.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And Anthony and Richardson checks a lot of boxes. Like
people like him. He's a physical specimen. He's a hard worker.
It comes down to accurate ballplays. Man, those windows get
really tiny in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You've heard this statement, and I won't say the full one,
but looks like Tarzan plays like you know, I'm not
trying to get canceled, but that's what they say about it.
They rigdon he he looks like a beast.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, but that's for guys that well. Yeah, but that's
for guys that are soft. He's how many times has
he been hurt? Well, that was concussions area, But that's
not a concussion. Does it make you so smart? Well, listen,
I injuries don't make you soft. Some guys are injury
from John Lynch led with his head. Never had a
concussion in fifteen years playing. That's fair and John Lynch,
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that's insane. John Lynch head first in the NFL. When
you could do that for fifteen years, never had a concussion?
Is Troy bensolved because he had eight? Some guys just
get them. I mean, there's guys smaller than two that
play football that don't get concussions. Running Backs Ashton Jens
is he concussion guy? That guy's founcing off nine guys
every hand off or running back sets a tough one.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
But quarterback you gotta say healthy.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
That's about a mine. Yeah, but it does healthy. I don't,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I don't how many concussions for Brady he's been sacked
a billion times? Well, no, he actually wasn't fine, not
a million literally.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Tony Richardson's injuries are it's the burden of being a
great athlete. When you're an unbelievable athlete and you're in
the NFL and you're you know, coverages are more complex
that it's harder you take off and run. I would
do the same thing if I was gifted and so
and by way then I mean even Mahomes has admitted,
like year three, everything slows down. Russell Wilson said that
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year three, So Anthony's that he's going into year three,
so hopefully everything slows down. I don't think he's a
soft player. I just think he gets hurt.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
You know who doesn't get hurt that often when he's
healthy because he processes Rock Purdy he hasn't been injured
that one time against the Eagles with the shoulders.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You've got to give that up. If you're done with
Robert's if it's overcast his passer rating plumbers give that up.
Never final.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Sorry, let's go to the Niners. Christian McCaffrey, boy, I mean,
the guy missed thirteen games last year with an achilles injury,
among other things. Seemac joined the forty nine ers for
offseason workouts and talked about his return.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
I'm feeling great. Yeah, I mean, it's been such a
smooth process, a lot of hard work. You know, as
soon as that injury happened in Buffalo, I was kind
of this was my goal is to not miss a
day of OTAs, be back ready to go with with
nothing hindering me. And that's where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, Rock Perdy gets his guy back. See mac kittle,
IUK will be back from injury. Ricky Piersoll, my friend,
you're down on them. I'm I'm not down on them.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But I think they have a lot of needs. Corner, safety, linebacker,
d tackle. I think they could use another tight end,
another running back, a right tackle. They got about six
Absolutely gotta happen. Now they have eleven draft fewer.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
Needs in the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I'll tell you that you're acting like they are awful.
They have a bad roster. Hey, I know they gutted
their defense and lost like five starters. He's like, it
wasn't good last year. They couldn't sell anybody, So it's
not like it's a loss. These guys are getting old
in the two.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
This is a big draft for them.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
In Shanahan, I trust you less.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So I'm just saying the Rams have the better, younger,
more athletic roster right now, and it's not close. You're
playing for a wild car.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And the Rams have also not been to as many
Super Bowls as Shanahan has been in a last show
me your trophy, you know, it's that all always about
the trophy.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Getting to the championship matters.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
For some people.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
O other people have higher standard.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
You're just a dock pirty hater.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Just admit it.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
It's fine, you are a hater.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
J mckla news. Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the line years. I'm gonna do a different
mock draft tomorrow. I have two NFC teams moving up.
The phone is buzzing. My friends live in La. It's
the Herd.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
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Speaker 3 (32:41):
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Speaker 1 (32:48):
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Speaker 1 (32:58):
All right, let's just put up my mock now. I'm
gonna do another one tomorrow. So I always do what
I would do mock draft. So I always said I'd
love to be a GM and I didn't include any trades.
This is what I would do Tomorrow. I will release
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the mock draft what I think is going to happen,
and it will have two trades in it. Let me
just say keep keep your eye on the number five
pick Jacksonville. Keep your eye on the old number five
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pick with the Jags. Also keep your eye on the
number thirteenth pick with Miami. So I'm just telling you
right now, the Jags may be moving down and the
Dolphins may be moving down. I think that's the.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
First time in television history anybody said keep your eye
on the Jags.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
So what do you what do you think the Jags?
You think the Jags want to dump Travis.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Business the new Jags GM is from the Rams, and
he is a smart young guy, not old school. We'll
just stay here and make the pick. He will listen
to offers. And Miami they've moved off Ramsey. There's the
Tyreek Hill stuff. They want picks because they got they got,
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they got some money situations. They want to ease inside
the building. Keep your eye on the number. The two
Florida teams there to Florida.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Bad franchises haven't won Jack Squad in years. Go ahead,
trade up. Miami trading up would be no. No, Miami's
trading down down from thirteen. Yes, Jags trading down, Miami
trading down. I'm just gonna say, But who's trading up.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Nobody's coming up.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
No, I'll give you the teams.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
I know, your mediocre Midwest franchise trying to move up.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Whatever. I will spill the beans tomorrow. Don't you got
to give the audience something to latch on you tomorrow.
I'm just gonna say, I can't wait for tomorrow's draft.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Are you looking at Have you done a lot of
gambling on the NFL draft?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
No? Okay, I bet NFL in Collegeville.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
It's a weird market where it essentially moves on some
of these mock drafts from like Daniel Jeremiah and some
of the big names, which is a little silly because again,
like I know Daniel Jeremiah, as you know, it's football
in the draft, but nobody really knows what's going on
behind the scenes. So I will bring some gambling stuff
tomorrow because I'm writing a piece for Fox Sports. Keep
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an eye on Mason Graham. That's a name to watch.
He hasn't got a lot of juice right now, and
you just see him kind of in the five range.
I would keep an eye on him going a little
higher than anticipated because that four spot is kind of teetering.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
People don't know what especially if the three spot is
Abdual Carter to the Giants, which is the overwhelming sentiment today.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
They are they getting off him already?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
They got burns?
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Are they getting what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Oh my god, we'll have another great pass rusher and
no quarterback, no offense.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Well, you're not winning anything.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
This is a tight end running back draft. Get him later,
a tight end running back. Well, it's a very good
tight end running back draft. And it's also there's all
there's not really a dominant number one receiver. I'll tell
you a guy that's falling in the draft. The receiver
for Arizona is not interviewing well, comes across as just
a little too cool for the room, and he is
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seen as a glider. Now I have a general manager,
I have an NFCGM that really likes him. After the catch,
the knock on t Mac, he's just kind of a glider.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
What is a glider?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
That means you don't come out of the you don't
come out of your off the ball fast. You're just
kind of cool. I'm gonna get to open. It's not
the way it works in the NFL. Guys get their
hands on you, that bump. It's hard he's a glider.
And I, by the way, I pose that to two
gms in the league. I said, I hear he's a glider.
I watched him. I didn't think he was great this year.
I thought he was better the year before, and and
so I posed that question. The two gms both liked him,
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but both got the criticism. He's just kind of a glider,
and you can do that in college. And he's great
after the catch, he's really good. He's long, he's got
great hands, but he kind of glides to get open.
And by the way, he's been told that by his
coaches in college that he's a glider. He's been told
you got to get off the line face. He doesn't care.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
Interesting, that's how I like to enter a room. Just
glide in, just.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
When you're doing herd line news, not when you're a
sideline receiver in the NFL. So the other one is
so I have said on Jackson Dart, I don't see
him as a first round quarterback. Lance Zerline, who's been
doing this covering the draft for twenty one years, his
thoughts on how he sees Jackson Dart.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
I can't help, but remember how I took the bite
out of the Matt Corral Apple. I like Matt Corral
a lot. I just think that Old Miss offense is
really favorable to quarterbacks. Now, it doesn't mean Jackson Dark
can't play. He can play. But he's got an average arm.
He's accurate, I think he has. He really has to
put something into it. I stood on the field next
to him. I wanted to see and feel all those
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quarterbacks throw at the combine. I mean, he's got to really,
you know, get a lot into it to drive the ball.
But he is accurate and a lot of coaches.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Like his demeanor.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
I just think there's a lot of open one on
one throws down the field, and then there's a lot
of stick routes just quick hitches to Trey Harris on
tape as well. So it's it's harder to get that
first round feel for Jackson Dark for me.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, So that's one of the things I've said. Lane Kiffen,
who played quarterback at Fresno State. Lane does a really
good job to get layups for his quarterbacks. He designs
plays smartly. Lane's quarterbacks do very well. You know, Lane
is going to give you about twelve completions a game.
Are going to be lane schemes and then you're gonna
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have to you know, you're gonna have to complete six
or seven big boy throws. So I'm it is hard
with certain offensive coaches in college are really really good
at scheming up completions. Lane Kiffin's one of them. He's
very good at it. And by the way, Sarks very
good at it too. Is that you know, that's why
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quinn Ewers I'm like, he doesn't throw the ball down
the field enough. And I know Sarks designing those plays.
That's why I've never been on quinn Ewers. Like, if
you're not throwing the ball down the field in college
with Texas's O line dominance, you're not throwing it down
the field in the pros because you're gonna be running
for your life. There's very few great old lines in
the NFL.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
Are you saying you take Jackson Dart over quin Yours?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I think I think he's more talented.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Wow, I mean quin Yours was five star guy. Ticket
went to Ohio State, nil million dollar.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Guy high school.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
It was great in high school, and Queen Yours was
great in college. Look at the numbers he put up
at Texas. Dude, you showed me the numbers yesterday.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
If Jackson, I'll make you a bet right now Kyle
McCord at Syracuse has a better NFL.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
I'm not going to make that bet until I see
where the players go.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
If Kyle McCord goes to.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Like Kevin O'Connell or Shaw McVeigh, yeah he's gonna.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Have a better career because that matters.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Don't you think? Oh, where your land seventy five percent
of it?
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Yeah, there's some franchises where you go there you're done,
Like if you go to the.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Jets, Okary, so show them show the mock draft one
more time. I'm just gonna say, show the mock draft
one more time. Keep your eye on the number five
pick in this draft. So why and it's gonna Can I.
Speaker 7 (40:37):
Give some context or I don't want to give away year.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I'm just going to say when teams move up, they
move in front of teams they think will draft the
player they want.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
Oh interesting, So hopefully the audience the audience.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
So, by the way, look at the Colts. So the
Colts can use it. Tight end. So if you wanted
to tight end, where would you go one slot ahead
of him? You'd call Miami. Now here's the thing. You
don't want to make the deal too early. You want
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to make that deal three minutes, so the Colts would
be screwed. You don't want to make the deal today
or Chris Powder can sell, well, we'll move ahead of you.
So if you don't want so, what you want to
do is you don't want to move too far ahead
to get the guy you want. You want to move
the perfect spot to get him. So you wait until
the pick. You agree to terms on the phone, maybe
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an hour or two before, and then when it comes,
then you make the deal. But tight end.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
You know, Tyler Warren's going to be gone by thirteen,
you could get Loveland if you want.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
That's probably a little rich at thirteen or fourteen, I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
And then lin Zerline just sat here and said, the
other kid, Taylor from I think LSU, he's good. He
could be like a late first round pick.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Keep your eye on the Jags and the Fins moving
down
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J Mack is just throwing throwing hypotheticals at me left
and right. Now he's got his legs under him because
yesterday he got into town Monday, and yesterday was his
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first show back from Japan, so he.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Was a little groggy. But today it's very laser folks. Well,
you know, it's fun. We could spaw on anything. Yesterday's
talk about the top American basketball player that's down there
wild in the internet.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
People loved our discussion, and I hope the overrated one
doesn't go wow because we disagree.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We disqued. I will tell you this, listen. I don't
even know why this is, but hockey guy you can
know's hockey guys insecure in America anytime you talk about
the NBA, hockey's better. Nobody watches hockey. The ratings for
the playoffs last year, hockey ratings this year. ESPN signed
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a bad contract. It's not viable. The NBA's fine. It
lollwas be fine because it's a star driven league, which
has a cultural impact in America. Okay, you can name
fifteen NBA players. You don't even have to like the league.
You can name four Warriors, right like nobody's sportscasters in
America can't name six hockey players. So the ratings came
out over the weekend for the playoffs. It was the
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highest TV ratings in twenty five years. Well, it was
easter whatever, they were good games. The bottom line is
the NBA got off to a really slow start because
it was an election year October November. Even the NFL
was down. Okay, and also we had a Yankee Dodger
World Series, we had a college football playoff. It was
a distracted nation. The NBA works, and they just signed
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a seventy six billion dollar contract because it's star driven,
and folks, I've been in this business for a long time.
Here's what works. Every industry in a distracted nation with
stars the UFC was more popular when Connor McGregor and
John Jones were in their prime. It still makes a
lot of money, but those guys drove huge revenue. Baseball
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right now, it's got all its stars in the right markets. Otani, Freeman,
Betts in La Aaron Judge and Soto in New York.
It's got its stars in the right place. Harper Philadelphia,
Ocunya Atlanta. You don't want your you know, like in
the beginning of the NBA season you had Oklahoma City
in Cleveland crushing it and then Jimmy Butler goes to
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San Francisco. Luke who goes to Los Angeles. This is
not the NFL. Baseball and basketball need the right players
in the right markets and the right close series to
get numbers. The league is fine. It's fine. By the way. Uh,
the election was the most polarizing of my life. October, November,
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and half of December. People were watching more politics. You know. Now,
now they were really watching Fox News. They weren't watching
the other one. But the point being is when we're distracted,
numbers go down. Sometimes we are all right. So a
guy that I trust, Dad used to coach in the NFL.
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He works at NFL dot Com radio star co host
on the bench in Houston. He is joining us. Lance
Serline is in studio and we do not get Lance
in studio much. It's great to see my man.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Good to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So that's the way I'm all over the Rockets and
Warriors tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's a great series. That way one can shoot one's athletics.
That what makes it Great's right, Let's start with the
quarterback class, Macro. How does it compare to last year's
perception great quarterback class?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I would say from a comparison, it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's not even close to last year's.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
However, if you take a look at just the top end,
we're going to go cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Cam Ward for me, he would fit in.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
I have the same grade on him that I had
on bow Knicks, so it's the same grade. But bo
Nicks went to the perfect fit, right. Sean Payton was
the absolute perfect fit. When you look at Shador Sanders,
he would not have been in that first round mix.
I think he is in the first round mix this year. Obviously,
Chador is going to go into first this year. He
would have gone maybe in the second round last year,
maybe even in the third round because teams don't like,
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they don't like drafting players in the second round. There's
only been six quarterbacks drafted in the second round over
the last ten years. Wow, thirty five first rounders and
fourteen third rounders. So it's like that's a line of demarcation.
You're either a starter or you're a back cup And
you know, I think with cam Ward he would have
been probably the seventh quarterback off the board based on
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how it it tracked. But I think he deserved to
be in that conversation last year. That's the only quarterback
I would have had in that conversation. Would not have
had Dart, would not have had Shad or Standers in
that conversation last year.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So the kid I talked about this yesterday, the kid
that is being overshadowed in this draft is Traveon Henderson
for Ohio State. So because Genty's such a unique five
eight Boise State guy, all the attention and then Hampton
is great, kind of a Joe Mixon but more burst
level player. So nobody's paying attention to Travian Henderson and
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he was a jump he was a pop off the
TV player for me that when he touched the ball
and got a little space. I don't know what his
forty time is, but how do you view him in
the class?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
To me, he is.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
A bigger He's a bigger difference maker, and I've got
a higher grade on him than Omaron Hampton. Wow, that
gent I think is special. He's my top player in
the entire draft. I have the highest grade on him.
He's not gonna go first, But the last time I
did that was Sakwon Barkley in that amazing eighteen draft.
I had Barkley there and Quenton Nelson second. Rokwan was
in that draft. It was a great draft. But with
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Trayvon Henderson, I'm with you. If you didn't learn anything
from Jamier Gibbs and what the Detroit Lions did, then
you're just not paying enough attention to football. Having a
player like Trayvon Henderson, he took the momentum had left
was gone from Ohio State against Texas. He takes that
swing pass, that little screen and takes at the distance
for a touchdown before the half.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
He has that ability.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
If you look at him versus quin Shawn Judkins, the
same exact offensive line, he averaged like one point eight
yards more per carry than Judkins, and that just gets
to his burst, his explosiveness, and the game is based
on explosive plays and the ability to create touchdowns from
anywhere on the field, and Henderson and Genti are the
two guys that have that.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Okay, we hear the Giants because I think that the
draft starts with a giant. Yeah, right, so we know
it's Cammore Travis Hunter. Don't don't have any problem with
those picks. We hear they're split in the building on
Shoudor Sanders. How would you react to that.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I've heard that it's not a split. I've heard they're
in alignment, that it's not shudor Sanders. So that's what
I've heard, and so I don't think Shudar Sanders is
in play at three at all.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I think they like for you to believe it.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
But one of the things that's happening is it seems
like there's a lot of teams that want you to
believe that they're in on Shudor Sanders because they think
they're going to elicit a phone call and a trade up.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I don't think it's going to happen.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I think he goes twenty one of the Pittsburgh Steelers,
but I do see the Giants potentially. I've heard day
Ball likes Jackson Dart and so if that's the case,
going from the early second round into the first round
for Jackson Dart somewhere in the twenties. You know, the
Vikings don't have a lot of draft picks. The Vikings
could be a spot that you trade into for Jackson Dart.
That's a that's been a targeted spot for me. The
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twenty fourth pick. I put Shit Sanders at twenty four
with in one of my mock drafts, with Cleveland trading
up instead. I think he could be the Giants moving
up to Minnesota's picking the twenty fourth pick. They need
a safety, they could maybe get one in an early
second So I think Jackson Dark could make it into
the first but it has to be a trade up,
and I don't think the Saints will take him at
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number nine.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Okay, so I'm not a scout. I play one on
TV kind of. So I said yesterday, the one player
I love unequivocally. I watched him play fifteen times and
he just rolled people was Mason Graham. Now I know everybody.
Now my gms are like yes, he's good, He's not
as good as you think. And my take is, well,
in this draft, you know, Michigan games were on TV
Harbaugh Michigan, so you got a lot of him. And
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I don't know what his ceiling is, but I watched
him grab and throw Mannheim from USC who will get
drafted Ohio State guys physically dominate people. How do scouts
look at him?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Well, they told you and I'm kind of the same way.
I think he is a safe player with a high floor.
I think the ceiling is pretty limited. He's not a
long limb player. He's not somebody that can leverage his
way around around NFL offensive line and I think his
strength and his leverage will be mitigated a little bit
by NFL strength. You know, there's some NFL people who
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think Kenneth Grant has the higher upside his team or now.
For me, Grant is like second round tape. He's going
to get drafted in the first round. Mason Graham is safe.
Walter Nolan from All Miss is the best defensive tackle
on this draft. Walter Nolan is explosive on all three downs.
He's disruptive in the backfield on first and second If
you want to try to throw. No one is better
getting into the pocket from these early round defensive tackles
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than Walter Nolan from All miss The knock on him
is that he's high maintenance, and so you know, we've
been dropping him back in mock drafts, dropping him back. Now,
talk to a couple of executives who said, hey, he's
too talented. You better start pushing him forward because all
those problems that pop up that you're worried about early
in the process, once it gets time to really make
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the pick, and you got to put your job on
the line, you start drafting the best talent.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So I said this, I don't think we'll have a
ton of movement at the top of the draft. But
what's fascinating to me about this draft. The NFL has
been taken over by offensive coaches. If you look at
like the twentieth pick on, it's a lot of smart
offensive guys, right. There's a lot of mcveigh's and Andy
Reid's and Sean Payton's in that space, no doubt, And
I could see him moving up for guys. So if
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I said to you, there's a guy that is a
second round grade, maybe, but you think one of these
offensive coaches is going to go that guy is a starter,
who's gonna end up in the first that the mock
drafts all have in the second.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
That's a really good question. You know, Mason Taylor is
one guy that I think could surprise people. Bukah's going
in the first.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, so he is for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
See I can't say Aguka because he's in. I'm locking, all.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Right, So yesterday I said if he is the first
pick on the second day, there will be major sitters
because I think he's a can't miss.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I think he is. We talked about the safety of
Mason Graham. You're finding out that what NFL teams like
right now is a lot of check marks. And so
when it comes to competitive spirit, football character, the ability
to run good routes. He's got a pedigree, he's got
a winning you know, he's played with other championship caliber
players at Buka just doesn't What do you not like
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about him? I think his speed is average and maybe
he's a slot only player. Yeah, and that's fine, but
there's a lot of teams that need a slot wide.
Of course, there's a lot especially one who can be
a high volume possession guy. But guys who love you
know my Houston Texans. I cover the Texans in Houston,
Jamiko Ryan, Jamiko RAN's right now. The head coach wants
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a quote unquote swarm mentality, and it's an acronym that
has to do it. Basically, you're a guy who's high
football character and your work ethic and everything is you know,
right on point.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
He's one of those type of guys.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
And so when you have that late in the first round,
you want to start hitting those singles and doubles, and
a Mecca ag Buka is going to be probably a
double and that's why you draft him in the first round.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So I couldn't give.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
You your eg Buka because I've already got him in
the first round. But LSU's Mason Taylor. Jason Taylor's his son,
and then of course Zach Thomas's nephew. Guy's got NFL bloodlines.
He is a competitive, competitive Tieway.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I watched his games. Yeah, productive baller.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Baller baller, And I think and I love Colston Lovelin,
and I love ty Warren, but Tyler Warren, but I
think that Mason Taylor is a small step below those
guys and to me, I wouldn't have any problem taking
him in the back half of the first round.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
If you're looking for.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Kansas City would be a great selection for Mason Taylor,
a possession wide receiver with the ability to make plays
after the catch, in a great bloodline, and you know, frankly,
I just think a really high up.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I said this yesterday that this is my Jackson
Dart thing. And I don't want to pick on the
kid because he's he's an NFL talent, but there is
I've seen this before. I saw it with Paxton Lynch
and EJ. Manuel a little bit with Mitch Trubisky. The
guys get better when they stop playing. So the season ends,
I see them and I'm like, yeah, that's a second
third round quarterback, And all of a sudden, it's like,
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it's amazing. They get so much better not playing. And
some of it is don't go to the grocery store
when you're hungry. Some of it is, you know, so
the giants are hungry. So why And I have no
problem if I'm wrong on this? Why is he a
first round quarterback?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Well, I've got a third round grade on him. WHOA yeah,
But I mean a grade is not where I project him.
I project him first. Second is where I project him.
My grade would be third round. I project him as
a low end starter to really good backup.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
And Okay, so you see him as I THEE.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah, I do. I watched your segment yesterday. I thought
you were dead on on all of that.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Now I will address what you said about rising in
the process. First, I think what happens is we have
a national narrative and a perception based on you know,
people to who talk college football, maybe some early draft
riders and things like that, and so we have an
idea of this is where a player is. But then
as NFL evaluators get involved and as coaches start getting involved.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Now that's interest. Now tell the audience is totally different.
So the first people to look at this scouts.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
So it's first as regional scouts, then area of scouts.
Now you're director of scouting. And then you know your
general manager is already busy. He's not a lot of
gms aren't even worried about players in the fall. They're
trying to worry about their NFL team. And then once
the season's over, the GM start getting involved. Then you
bring the coaches involved. Coaches have to look at their
own free agents, then other free agents, and then they're
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getting to senior ball on combine, and they don't even
know most of these players by combine, To be honest
with you, they have. My dad told me I only
watch a few snaps on all these guys. I've got
to really start learning them at the combine. And so
what happens is coaches then become involved. So a team
may have an a front office may have an idea,
but now coaches are talking to quarterbacks. What's his football knowledge,
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how does he read defenses, what's his what's his demeanor
like when he walks in the room. Do we feel him,
does he have a does he have some juice in
the room? And that can change perception quite a bit.
You know, inside a building there can be battles between
the front office season here, but the coaching staff who's
got to coach him see him completely different.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
So that could be.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
One of the reasons as well. But to your point
on Jackson Dart, I listen to what you said.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I can't help but remember how I took the bite
out of the Matt Corral apple. I like Matt corral
a lot. I just think that old Miss offense is
really favorable to quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Now.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It doesn't mean Jackson Dark can't play. He can play,
but he's.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Got an average arm. He's accurate, I think he has
he really has to put something into it. I stood
on the field next to him. I wanted to see
and feel all those quarterbacks throw at the combine. I mean,
he's got to really, you know, get a lot into
it to drive the ball. But he is accurate, and
a lot of coaches like his demeanor. I just think
there's a lot of open one on one throws down
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the field, and then there's a lot of stick routes
just quick hitches to Trey Harris on tape as well,
So it's harder to get that first round feel for
Jackson dart Fright.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I think over the next twenty years, Lance Zerline joining
us for our radio audience covering the NFL draft of
the last twenty four years. I think over the next
twenty years, you're gonna see multiple Travis Hunters, athletes like
Shoheyo Tani. They're just getting.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Bigger playing both ways.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You mean, yeah, I think it's I think like Sho
Hay was. We would have laughed ten years ago if
you said there's gonna be a guy that's an ace
and hits leadoff, that would have been ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's like, and now you say, if you said ten
years ago, it's gonna be a guy, it's gonna be
starting corner and receiver. I mean, we had Dion, but
it was more return game and corner. And so I look,
I look at him and I think, when I watched
Travis Hunter, there are very few people, even pro athletes
on Earth, that are have an energy they never tire.
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It's Michael Jordan had it right. I'll go if eighteen
holes in the Sun and then I'll play Larry Bird
and the Celtics to night and draw forty eight.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Steph has that too, by the way, right.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Just the cardioor whatever. I look at him and I think, yeah,
he can play both. He can play eighty snaps. But
I keep going back to this, What is a defensive
coordinator on a Tuesday when he's installing Travis is going
to be in the offensive meetings your dad coach in
this league, it's not the talent. A lot of these
old decordinators they want.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
You in the room got to be in a room,
so you hit it right there. This is wahy.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
He can't play full time both ways. There's a physical component.
He's played twenty six hundred snaps over the last two years.
Twenty six hundred snaps. That is an entire career for
any other college player. He's done that just in the
last two years. So the wear and Tarry loan when
you get into the NFL. I talked to a defensive
coordinator who told me he needs to be a he
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needs to be a wide receiver so he doesn't have
to run support. Then he can come over to our
side and play corner when it's third down and he
doesn't have to tackle.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
That's that's how we would use I talked to another
team that said, no, he's a he's a lockdown corner
with incredible ball skills and instincts. And then we'll run
along the other side of the field and we'll give
him eight to nine snaps a game, either as a
decoy or as a goal line you know, a red
zone option.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
So there's gonna be different ways to look at it.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
But the reason you can't do both is your meetings
are in separate rooms. At separate times. You've got wide
receiver meetings and you've got a dB meeting. How can
you get the reps you need for both positions? Wide
receiver is one of the toughest positions to learn as
a rookie. You got to learn the playbook and you
got to tighten up your technique. Like even Travis Hunter's
got a lot of technique stuff to work on at
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wide receivers. So I think just the time spent the
reps you need, and the reps in the in the
in the meeting room, the mental reps. You can't get
that at both positions. That's something you can do maybe
later on, or you can do it part time. You
can't do it full time both ways. I love the kid,
super competitive, unending energy as you mentioned. Yeah, and he's
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my top wide receiver in the draft, and he's my
top cornerback in the draft.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
So any way you want to play him, I'm good
with him.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I'm good with elite ball skills like I've never seen
from a top cornerback.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, no, elite jumps off the TV. Yes, eighty plays
plays as hard on the eightieth play love him. Okay,
finally here, so I got to throw out. This is
just my meatball topic. I like Kyle McCord. He's a
pocket guy. There's limitations I think he makes. I think
he lets it rip. I think he's a confident kid.
He's played at a powerhouse that he didn't have to
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carry and at Syracuse where he did. I thought he
was highly productive. I think eighteen yards in totally trust him.
Not a huge arm. But I watch him and I
think to myself, if that guy landed with a McVeigh
and sat for two years, could he come out of
that draft? And you're like, yeah, he had a twelve
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year career.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
You know he is one of those guys. And it's
because of what you said. He has that mentality. Now
it's gonna work both ways. And you can say the
same thing for cam Ward right, he'll make mistakes, gonna
make mistakes, but I'm willing, as they say, you'd rather
be able to say WHOA than go You'd rather have
someone you know. One of the problems right now for
Quinn yours is you got to push it down the
field a little bit. He's everything has come back to checkdowns.
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Colin McCord, He's gonna let it rip. He's got a
little bit of a Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
He does that.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
That was he's more athletic, but he's not that athletic, No,
but a.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Better better arm than Philip Rivers, and Phil such an outlier.
He's such a one a one go for it guy,
but he will and I like that.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I liked it.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
He takes chances. Now what you have to do is
try to mitigate the mistakes a little bit. But he
is one of those guys in like the fourth round
that I think could be really really intriguing. I want
to find guys with plus traits, and I think that
aggressiveness is a plus trait for Colin McCord. So that's
not a bad that's not a bad name in the
fourth round. But honestly, once you get into the middle
rounds like I don't think there's really many secret prospects.
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And Jalen Milroe in the first you watch a lot
of college football. I don't know where people I can't
find on tape that he's anywhere near a first rounder.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Not as a quarter.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He's way too mechanical to be a great pro right,
he is so ridiculously athletic. Yes, he could be a
great piece to a team. To me, if Kaylin de
Boer has had such success Caylan was at wits end
last year. That's a guy that Michael Pennix had surgeries.
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It didn't matter, so I might if Kleen de Borr
is struggling with him, and I heard inside the building
they love the kid.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
But I think what's happened is is people are going, well,
Lamar Jackson, Lamar throws the ball from the pocket now
really well, really.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Well, really well, made a lot of improvements. Jalen Hurts
compared to Jalen Hurts, that's not fair. I think Jalen
Milroe is an elite athlete like we've never seen. I
think teams are talking about him because they want to
get an explosive player in the building. We'll figure out
where we're playing him or how we're playing later. I
just think to expect him to operate from the pocket
after watching what I saw on tape the last two years,
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because I watched every throw of the last two years.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Just the decision making right now is not good enough.
The accuracy is not good enough.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
But I get having an explosive player and an elite
athlete in the building, and we'll figure out what we're
going to do and how we're going to you know,
make the offense go with him. I totally understand that
in the first round. I just I couldn't get there
personally in the first round. That's one of those things.
And Tyler Shuck another guy that's a late comer that
we talked about before. A lot of physical traits that
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you love. Maybe second best to cam Ward, maybe right
up there with cam Ward. Been a seven year player.
In three of those years he's been you know, season
ending injury. So it's hard to put your your stamp
on that in the first round.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
All right, Lance Zerline calls to the bench ninety seven
point five in Houston Rockets Warriors tonight. That is a
great series. One team can't shoot, but has all the athletes.
The other team's old and can. So that'll be Game
two tonight. It's always a pleasure to have you love
it one more.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Heard the Herd stream twenty four hours a day, seven
days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search her to
listen live or on demand whenever you like.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Rachel Nichols Last hour Rockets Warriors gonna be a great
one tonight. But Jmax had good seats. It was funny.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
J Max.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Jmax sent me a picture last night when he was
at the game. Very nice seats.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Did my buddy Jeff who regular listener of the show. Uh, yes,
he's the tickets, you know. So I got a little fortunate.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Howard he building? Huh was the building electric?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (23:30):
My, Joe Burrow was there.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I didn't get a chance to talk to him, but
I was going to name drop you right out of
the gate. That would have helped my cause, hey, I
worked with Colin Cowherd.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He probably would talked, probably would have gotten up front.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Burrows in the expensive seats. He's hanging down there with
Jack Black and Will fare Olin.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Oh exactly. We should have been there.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Huh.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Hey, what were you doing at home taking notes?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I watched, watched the game, took notes and had an
amazing uh Uber Eats delivery o cigar. No, No, was
Uber Eats watching the game. J Mack with the news.
Now this is the Herd line news.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Is that bag stapled?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Or are we certain?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Like I thought to do stuff? I know Uber reaches money, baby,
I live off the All.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Right, let's get started with lanzerline who was just here
in the studio. He thinks Shador Sanders will be drafted
twenty first by Pittsburgh. Well, Shador was asked by Max
Crosby who his NFL Mount Rushmore is?
Speaker 7 (24:30):
Uh, Steelers Nations excited.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Here's what he said, whoever gonna be the quarterback? When
for a DK Metcalf and George Pickens? Whoever that is?
Hmmm that you think it's gonna be him? That's I mean,
the more and more I hear, I I I just
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got a little text. I'm chained my mock draft tomorrow.
So no more Share three, no more Chur three, and
a very interesting NFL team moving up into the top six.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Some like a mediocre Midwest city.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Maybe let's just stay focused on your next story.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Well wait, let me just quickly ask you, Mike Tomlin
can handle a lot of personalities. Chadure Metcalf and Pickens
in the same locker room. That's a lot of potential
star power and also a powder cake, you would agree.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I think. I think Chadur in Pittsburgh is going to
be really fun to.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
Watch until it's look at this, look at this?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Can I give you another breaking story?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Ah, I just mentioned that. I just mentioned this one
minute ago, and this just came out one year after
they tried to get brought Bowers. A source tells me
the Rams are once again interested in adding a tight
and early and could trade up to do it. Who's
the reporter on that, Diana Rossini our friend.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Huh, well, you know the Jets where to go trade
back and get more picks. You guys want to come
up and get Tyler Warren, go for it.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
RNs.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I would trade Jet, give me, give me picks. Tyler
Warren's a top ten player.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Can you imagine Matt Stafford this year gets DeVante Adams
and Tyler won.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
But make that Rams futures bet right now on them
going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Because they get Tyler Warren. More people are going to
jump on board. I'm tim I'm changing my mock draft,
so we'll do it tomorrow. Yes, all right. Next story,
the Colts.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
They were not happy with their quarterback play.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Last year, so they brought in Daniel Jones aka Danny
loose Change to try to improve it. Anthony Richardson was
the starter last year, could not complete a pass, and
he says he's excited to try to win the job.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Again, competition and brings the best out of you. And no,
that's just how life works. You know, You've got to
compete and just get better, you know, because somebody else
to the right, left or even in front of you
trying to know how it work you and be better
than you. So competition, I love it.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
As a big big boy, Anthony Richardson's at the beast.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, I mean it's really comes down to this. Can
you accurately distribute the ball down the field. I don't
doubt that he's a good kid, works hard, I don't
doubt that he's strong and athletic. This is a I
need you to be able to stand in that pocket
and accurately distribute the ball eighteen yards down the field.
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He was missing the layups.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Last year and that shows here on the screen. Lowess
passer rating last two seasons and the Colts at both
of them.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Anthony Richardson, now.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
They have got you. I mean they have a good
offensive coach.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Now again, if you did this for Josh Allen his
first two years, I'm almost certain you would have been
on this list.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And Anthony and Richardson checks a lot of boxes. Like
people like him. He's a physical specimen. He's a hard worker.
It comes down to accurate ballplays. Man, those windows get
really tiny in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You've heard this statement, and I won't say the full one,
but looks like Tarzan plays like you know, I'm not
trying to get canceled, but that's what they say about it.
They rigdon he he looks like a beast.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, but that's for guys that well. Yeah, but that's
for guys that are soft. He's how many times has
he been hurt? Well, that was concussions area, But that's
not a concussion. Does it make you so smart? Well, listen,
I injuries don't make you soft. Some guys are injury
from John Lynch led with his head. Never had a
concussion in fifteen years playing. That's fair and John Lynch,
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that's insane. John Lynch head first in the NFL. When
you could do that for fifteen years, never had a concussion?
Is Troy bensolved because he had eight? Some guys just
get them. I mean, there's guys smaller than two that
play football that don't get concussions. Running Backs Ashton Jens
is he concussion guy? That guy's founcing off nine guys
every hand off or running back sets a tough one.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
But quarterback you gotta say healthy.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
That's about a mine. Yeah, but it does healthy. I don't,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I don't how many concussions for Brady he's been sacked
a billion times? Well, no, he actually wasn't fine, not
a million literally.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Tony Richardson's injuries are it's the burden of being a
great athlete. When you're an unbelievable athlete and you're in
the NFL and you're you know, coverages are more complex
that it's harder you take off and run. I would
do the same thing if I was gifted and so
and by way then I mean even Mahomes has admitted,
like year three, everything slows down. Russell Wilson said that
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year three, So Anthony's that he's going into year three,
so hopefully everything slows down. I don't think he's a
soft player. I just think he gets hurt.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
You know who doesn't get hurt that often when he's
healthy because he processes Rock Purdy he hasn't been injured
that one time against the Eagles with the shoulders.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You've got to give that up. If you're done with
Robert's if it's overcast his passer rating plumbers give that up.
Never final.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Sorry, let's go to the Niners. Christian McCaffrey, boy, I mean,
the guy missed thirteen games last year with an achilles injury,
among other things. Seemac joined the forty nine ers for
offseason workouts and talked about his return.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
I'm feeling great. Yeah, I mean, it's been such a
smooth process, a lot of hard work. You know, as
soon as that injury happened in Buffalo, I was kind
of this was my goal is to not miss a
day of OTAs, be back ready to go with with
nothing hindering me. And that's where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, Rock Perdy gets his guy back. See mac kittle,
IUK will be back from injury. Ricky Piersoll, my friend,
you're down on them. I'm I'm not down on them.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But I think they have a lot of needs. Corner, safety, linebacker,
d tackle. I think they could use another tight end,
another running back, a right tackle. They got about six
Absolutely gotta happen. Now they have eleven draft fewer.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
Needs in the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I'll tell you that you're acting like they are awful.
They have a bad roster. Hey, I know they gutted
their defense and lost like five starters. He's like, it
wasn't good last year. They couldn't sell anybody, So it's
not like it's a loss. These guys are getting old
in the two.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
This is a big draft for them.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
In Shanahan, I trust you less.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So I'm just saying the Rams have the better, younger,
more athletic roster right now, and it's not close. You're
playing for a wild car.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And the Rams have also not been to as many
Super Bowls as Shanahan has been in a last show
me your trophy, you know, it's that all always about
the trophy.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Getting to the championship matters.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
For some people.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
O other people have higher standard.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
You're just a dock pirty hater.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Just admit it.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
It's fine, you are a hater.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
J mckla news. Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the line years. I'm gonna do a different
mock draft tomorrow. I have two NFC teams moving up.
The phone is buzzing. My friends live in La. It's
the Herd.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
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Speaker 3 (32:41):
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Speaker 1 (32:48):
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Speaker 3 (32:50):
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Speaker 1 (32:58):
All right, let's just put up my mock now. I'm
gonna do another one tomorrow. So I always do what
I would do mock draft. So I always said I'd
love to be a GM and I didn't include any trades.
This is what I would do Tomorrow. I will release
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the mock draft what I think is going to happen,
and it will have two trades in it. Let me
just say keep keep your eye on the number five
pick Jacksonville. Keep your eye on the old number five
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pick with the Jags. Also keep your eye on the
number thirteenth pick with Miami. So I'm just telling you
right now, the Jags may be moving down and the
Dolphins may be moving down. I think that's the.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
First time in television history anybody said keep your eye
on the Jags.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
So what do you what do you think the Jags?
You think the Jags want to dump Travis.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Business the new Jags GM is from the Rams, and
he is a smart young guy, not old school. We'll
just stay here and make the pick. He will listen
to offers. And Miami they've moved off Ramsey. There's the
Tyreek Hill stuff. They want picks because they got they got,
(34:36):
they got some money situations. They want to ease inside
the building. Keep your eye on the number. The two
Florida teams there to Florida.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Bad franchises haven't won Jack Squad in years. Go ahead,
trade up. Miami trading up would be no. No, Miami's
trading down down from thirteen. Yes, Jags trading down, Miami
trading down. I'm just gonna say, But who's trading up.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Nobody's coming up.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
No, I'll give you the teams.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
I know, your mediocre Midwest franchise trying to move up.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Whatever. I will spill the beans tomorrow. Don't you got
to give the audience something to latch on you tomorrow.
I'm just gonna say, I can't wait for tomorrow's draft.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Are you looking at Have you done a lot of
gambling on the NFL draft?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
No? Okay, I bet NFL in Collegeville.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
It's a weird market where it essentially moves on some
of these mock drafts from like Daniel Jeremiah and some
of the big names, which is a little silly because again,
like I know Daniel Jeremiah, as you know, it's football
in the draft, but nobody really knows what's going on
behind the scenes. So I will bring some gambling stuff
tomorrow because I'm writing a piece for Fox Sports. Keep
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an eye on Mason Graham. That's a name to watch.
He hasn't got a lot of juice right now, and
you just see him kind of in the five range.
I would keep an eye on him going a little
higher than anticipated because that four spot is kind of teetering.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
People don't know what especially if the three spot is
Abdual Carter to the Giants, which is the overwhelming sentiment today.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
They are they getting off him already?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
They got burns?
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Are they getting what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Oh my god, we'll have another great pass rusher and
no quarterback, no offense.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Well, you're not winning anything.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
This is a tight end running back draft. Get him later,
a tight end running back. Well, it's a very good
tight end running back draft. And it's also there's all
there's not really a dominant number one receiver. I'll tell
you a guy that's falling in the draft. The receiver
for Arizona is not interviewing well, comes across as just
a little too cool for the room, and he is
(36:42):
seen as a glider. Now I have a general manager,
I have an NFCGM that really likes him. After the catch,
the knock on t Mac, he's just kind of a glider.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
What is a glider?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
That means you don't come out of the you don't
come out of your off the ball fast. You're just
kind of cool. I'm gonna get to open. It's not
the way it works in the NFL. Guys get their
hands on you, that bump. It's hard he's a glider.
And I, by the way, I pose that to two
gms in the league. I said, I hear he's a glider.
I watched him. I didn't think he was great this year.
I thought he was better the year before, and and
so I posed that question. The two gms both liked him,
(37:17):
but both got the criticism. He's just kind of a glider,
and you can do that in college. And he's great
after the catch, he's really good. He's long, he's got
great hands, but he kind of glides to get open.
And by the way, he's been told that by his
coaches in college that he's a glider. He's been told
you got to get off the line face. He doesn't care.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
Interesting, that's how I like to enter a room. Just
glide in, just.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
When you're doing herd line news, not when you're a
sideline receiver in the NFL. So the other one is
so I have said on Jackson Dart, I don't see
him as a first round quarterback. Lance Zerline, who's been
doing this covering the draft for twenty one years, his
thoughts on how he sees Jackson Dart.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
I can't help, but remember how I took the bite
out of the Matt Corral Apple. I like Matt Corral
a lot. I just think that Old Miss offense is
really favorable to quarterbacks. Now, it doesn't mean Jackson Dark
can't play. He can play. But he's got an average arm.
He's accurate, I think he has. He really has to
put something into it. I stood on the field next
to him. I wanted to see and feel all those
(38:19):
quarterbacks throw at the combine. I mean, he's got to really,
you know, get a lot into it to drive the ball.
But he is accurate and a lot of coaches.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Like his demeanor.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
I just think there's a lot of open one on
one throws down the field, and then there's a lot
of stick routes just quick hitches to Trey Harris on
tape as well. So it's it's harder to get that
first round feel for Jackson Dark for me.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, So that's one of the things I've said. Lane Kiffen,
who played quarterback at Fresno State. Lane does a really
good job to get layups for his quarterbacks. He designs
plays smartly. Lane's quarterbacks do very well. You know, Lane
is going to give you about twelve completions a game.
Are going to be lane schemes and then you're gonna
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have to you know, you're gonna have to complete six
or seven big boy throws. So I'm it is hard
with certain offensive coaches in college are really really good
at scheming up completions. Lane Kiffin's one of them. He's
very good at it. And by the way, Sarks very
good at it too. Is that you know, that's why
(39:24):
quinn Ewers I'm like, he doesn't throw the ball down
the field enough. And I know Sarks designing those plays.
That's why I've never been on quinn Ewers. Like, if
you're not throwing the ball down the field in college
with Texas's O line dominance, you're not throwing it down
the field in the pros because you're gonna be running
for your life. There's very few great old lines in
the NFL.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
Are you saying you take Jackson Dart over quin Yours?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I think I think he's more talented.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Wow, I mean quin Yours was five star guy. Ticket
went to Ohio State, nil million dollar.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Guy high school.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
It was great in high school, and Queen Yours was
great in college. Look at the numbers he put up
at Texas. Dude, you showed me the numbers yesterday.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
If Jackson, I'll make you a bet right now Kyle
McCord at Syracuse has a better NFL.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
I'm not going to make that bet until I see
where the players go.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
If Kyle McCord goes to.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Like Kevin O'Connell or Shaw McVeigh, yeah he's gonna.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Have a better career because that matters.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Don't you think? Oh, where your land seventy five percent
of it?
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Yeah, there's some franchises where you go there you're done,
Like if you go to the.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Jets, Okary, so show them show the mock draft one
more time. I'm just gonna say, show the mock draft
one more time. Keep your eye on the number five
pick in this draft. So why and it's gonna Can I.
Speaker 7 (40:37):
Give some context or I don't want to give away year.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I'm just going to say when teams move up, they
move in front of teams they think will draft the
player they want.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
Oh interesting, So hopefully the audience the audience.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
So, by the way, look at the Colts. So the
Colts can use it. Tight end. So if you wanted
to tight end, where would you go one slot ahead
of him? You'd call Miami. Now here's the thing. You
don't want to make the deal too early. You want
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to make that deal three minutes, so the Colts would
be screwed. You don't want to make the deal today
or Chris Powder can sell, well, we'll move ahead of you.
So if you don't want so, what you want to
do is you don't want to move too far ahead
to get the guy you want. You want to move
the perfect spot to get him. So you wait until
the pick. You agree to terms on the phone, maybe
(41:37):
an hour or two before, and then when it comes,
then you make the deal. But tight end.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
You know, Tyler Warren's going to be gone by thirteen,
you could get Loveland if you want.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
That's probably a little rich at thirteen or fourteen, I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
And then lin Zerline just sat here and said, the
other kid, Taylor from I think LSU, he's good. He
could be like a late first round pick.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Keep your eye on the Jags and the Fins moving
down
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