April 22, 2025 • 41 mins
The Browns and the Giants are looking to move down in the NFL draft
Even Jerry Jones is commenting on the horrible Luka Doncic trade
Guest: Nick Wright
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go, it's our two. Thanks againing
Jordan Schultz who filled in the last week. He did
a great job. Jmack is back. Jmak travel. You're not
messing around between jet Chat, GBT and Google Translate. You
go all over the globe. You just point that Google
Translate that app and can translate anything. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
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the food, the people love it.
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Highly recommend for your next trip with A and M.
Would love Japan. It is just phenomenal.
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Do they have good wine?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
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lefton righters them.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Between you and Ryan. Don't you guys ever, just go
to Vegas for a weekend. Does everything have to be
like a Singapore.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Air Been there, done that, you know a lot of it,
but I do need to go to Vegas cast some
winning tickets from the NFL season.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Got some cast color in my way.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
All right, here's the story the Browns and the Giants
according to Peter Schreger, who used to uh where did
he work? Let me think for a second. AnyWho shreg
is over at the other place. We love them. According
to him, the Browns and Giants are are considering trading down.
So the problem with this draft is it is a
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trade down draft. Even at the top of the draft.
By the second pick, you get Travis Hunter, who wants
to play both sides of the ball, and Greg Colesel
last week brought up I think a pretty interesting point.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Imagine Nick Siriani walking into Vic Fangio on a Wednesday,
you know, as they're preparing for a game and saying, hey,
coach Vick, you know today Travis is going to be
with the afense, not with you. Well, Vick's going to
tell him, well, then you know what he's not. He's
not playing on Sunday. But I don't care how gifted
he is. But you know what, if he makes a mistake,
we're giving up a sixty yard touchdown. So to me,
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it's not whether he's physically capable of doing it. He
may be that freakish guy that is, because what he
did in college is absolutely remarkable, ridiculous. But I think
it's more about the preparation during the week. I'm not
sure you can be a part time outside corner in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
You know, this is not college football where you're playing
you know, Washington State and just athletic ability reigns like
everybody's great and you may still be great, but you'll
get worked if you're not sitting in those film rooms.
So and that's the second player drafted by the third player,
Abdul Carter. Potentially he's been advised to get surgery and
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he's like, I'm not getting surgery. So I already have
issues with the second and third pick. There's only one
player in this draft that I love unconditionally, and that's
Mason Graham, the defensive tackle for Michigan. Productivity, toughness, durability, motor.
I watched him play fifteen times the last two years.
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He ate everybody for lunch and people say, well, his
ceiling isn't high all. I know every game I watched,
he was in the backfield. Every game I watched didn't
matter if it was Ohio State, it didn't matter if
it was USC. It didn't matter if he had Harbaugh
as a coach. It didn't matter if he had Harbaugh's replacement.
Mason Graham was the one player that in this Again,
if it was a great draft, maybe he'd go thirteen.
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But in this draft, I got no personality issues, no
injury issues, productivity, durability, toughness, production. That's the only guy
outside of that. I mean, the number two and three picks,
there's dilemmas. So all right, let's go. This will be
good today. We got a lot to talk about. Nick Wright,
co host First Things, First three Eastern on our network.
(04:00):
So you know, before I get to the NBA, I
did say this. I like the draft. I've always been
into it. There's one kid I just love. There's a
lot of questions. So I did a mock draft last
week and now now and you do this stuff real well,
was there anything on this? I actually think some of
most of the stuff is not just they're good players,
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but their needs. Like the Jets tight end situation, it's
never productive. Gino Smith is actually good with a run game.
Ashton Jenny Fitz there the Dolphins have to like it. Yeah,
the Dolphins, please draft an offensive lineman. You just lost
Tron Armstead. Most of these, I like, is there anything
that jumped out to you on that?
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well, I'm glad you're asking me. You know, final mock
draft comes out Thursday. On first things first, remember last
year nineteenth most actor mock drafter in the entire world.
Your guy Nick Wright picked it up as a hobby,
and you know, top twenty in the world.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Nothing to talking about. So I kind of want to
go through this if we can.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I love the draft.
Speaker 7 (04:58):
I don't love.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
College football's much as you, but I think I love
the draft as much as you. I cannot believe that
you the man that coined the phrase better than Babe
for show. Hey, Otani, you are not in love with
Travis Hunter. Why are we putting a ceiling on what
Travis Hunter can do? When we saw him all there,
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it had been at least eight years since a college
football player did two hundred and fifty snaps on both
sides of the ball. He did seven hundred on both
sides of the ball. So I agree with you that
he's going to go too. But just from your talk beforehand,
it seems like you're not as in love with him
as I am, So I'm just curious why.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I think a little bit is there's a rigidity to
football because there's one game a week, and these defensive
coordinators and offensive coordinators get very prickly and they want
their guy in meeting rooms. I for the record, I
think football players practice too much. I mean, Sean McVay it,
we're not gonna have anybody play in the preseason now,
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nobody plays in the preseason, So I would argue a
lot of its nonsense. I would. I think he's gonna
be a brilliant NFL wide receiver. I do think, however,
there's gonna be people on the defensive side that resent
the fact that he's he's never in meetings. But I
have him going too because he is a I mean,
he's a transformational, all time talent. He's got something Michael
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Jordan had that I've never seen before. Michael's very rare.
Michael could play eighteen holes of golf in the heat
and then drop forty four and play forty eight minutes.
Like some guys are built different. They just have this relentless,
you know, ability to never get tired in the Kidcher.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
So all right, So if we say I totally agree
with you on the Jags taking Mason Graham, I think
that's gonna happen. I absolutely agree about the Raiders in Ashton,
Jen t Pete Carrow wants to win right now.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
I think I'm higher on.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
The Raiders than I guess just about everybody in the
race to finish second in the AFC West, which is
what the is.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
I know this show is big on the Chiefs. I
don't know probably having a top five pick next year.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Listening to you and Jmac how you think of Kansas City,
But I think the Chiefs will win the division because
they do every year. I think the Raiders going from
bottom three quarterback to top twelve quarterback, bottom three coach
to top ten coach if they take Gent, I think
they could finish second in the division. I just so
I agree with you on a lot of this. I
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want to ask you about the Giants because if you're
the Giants and everyone's job is on the line, don't
you probably try to double dip and by that I
mean draft op dual Carter At three, everyone seemed to
think Shador is gonna slip out of the top ten
and then use next year's first round pick, which is
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someone else's problem if you get fired this year anyway,
to then trade up and get Shador Like. I do
think the Giants could end up with Shador, I just
don't think they're gonna take him over Obdual.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
Carter at three.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, So this was my dilemma. I said this. I
didn't include trades. A story came out which I just
mentioned five minutes ago. I think the Giants want to
trade down and get out of the Shaduur thing and
then go get Jackson Dart at twenty eight if somebody
moved up, which I don't love either, but I don't
think my take was Abdul Carter is not worth half
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a point in the NFL, and if Schaduer can just
stabilize the offense, he's worth four. And I also think
Brian Davile is a pretty darn good coach offensively if
he got Daniel Jones to win a playoff game. So
to your point, I think they want to trade down.
I think there's division in the room on Shaduer, but
I would not include trades. So that was my toughest pike.
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I didn't know what to do with the Giants.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Yeah, listen, I'll tell you this much, and then I
know you want to get to the NBA. Yeah, the
Patriots would be thrilled with this because the Patriots are
staring at a worst case scenario of it going cam Ward,
then the two Blue Chippers Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter,
and then they're like, well, what do we do here? Like,
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we just spent all that money in the offseason on
the d tackle from Philadelphia, so we're probably not gonna
take Mason Graham. We spent all of our money this
offseason on the defensive side of the ball. We have
no weapons for Drake may at all. I'm not as
bullish on Stepan Diggs as I think some people are,
but there's no wide receiver you can take it for.
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They're not gonna take gent at four, so I think
they would then be in a spot where we're gonna
take the short armed offensive lineman. Will cambell it four
Like that's probably so. I think the Patriots the point
of this is they would love if somehow another quarterback
went in the top three in addition to cam Ward,
and then they had the opportunity to draft ab dual Carter.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
I just don't think that's how it's gonna fall for them.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Okay, we got good NBA stuff, So I'm gonna start
with this. Yeah, don't you can't get too caught up
in Game one. I'm gonna get back to the Lakers
a second. But Vegas is telling you they're a five
and a half point favorite. They had eight days off,
they just weren't ready to play. And Minnesota is one
of those teams that loves like the Baltimore Ravens. They
love ugly sports, they love to bang. They're not artistic,
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they're not aesthetically pleasing. That was perfect rusty Laker team,
not ready to play, and we just get to be
ugly physical. So I'm not worried about the Lakers. But
there's a problem with the Knicks. There is a big problem.
They are a campaign fourth quarter from being owing to
at home. Timms is not an offensive coach, and they
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got offensive issues, and I think a bad time to
try and solve them is going on the road at
one one in the playoffs. I think the Knicks could
be in a little trouble. What you were there last night.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
So I was there last night.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
I had pretty amazing seats I paid for. By the way,
I'm not gonna nobody gives me tickets to our friends
at seat Geek.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
I guess helped me out a bit, but I bought.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Them, and I was right behind the Knicks bench, and
I'm shocked they.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Lost that game.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Shocked.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You're right that.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Now in retrospect, you look back and you say, man,
eight quarters of this series, the Pistons have been the
clearly better team for six or seven of them.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yeah, but going into last night, I.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Thought, okay, the Pistons got demoralized by that fourth quarter. Yeah,
a twenty one to nothing run in this series. If
you were to say, hey, who are the five best
players in the series.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
The nick should have four of the five.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Madison Square Garden is one of the only true home
court advantages that exist. It's still in the NBA because
it's so loud. They don't play the goofy music throughout
the game. The fans are really into it. I know
I sound like an old man, but it's true. And
Kate Cunningham and those kids on the Pistons, along with
the you know, veterans and Tobias Harrison Shruder said no,
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not today and Jalen Brunson. He played well, but was
really trying to get everyone in foul trouble.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
And that maybe took him a.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Little bit out of rhythm early, even though he finished
with thirty seven. Karl Anthony Towns went total Milk Carton mode,
where he was nowhere to be found for the final
twenty game minutes of that game, Michale Bridges played I
thought fine, but missed some open shots, and now all
of a sudden, you find yourself in a fight with
a team that crowd in Detroit Colin the last playoff
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game the Detroit Pistons won prior to last night, Paul
Pierce was their opponent. It was against the eight Celtics
in the Eastern Conference finals, So that crowd is going
to be out of their mind, and so I think,
all of a sudden, instead of this being what it
should have been a tidy five games for New York,
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it's looking like it's going to be six or seven
with Tibbs playing his guys forty plus minutes every single night,
and then they're gonna walk into a buzz saw against Boston.
So I still think the Knicks are going to win
this series. I think they have more talent than the Pistons.
And I don't think as great as Cade was last night,
and he was great all year, I don't think he's
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gonna throw up thirty three and twelve every game. But
the Knicks needed to win this series quickly to have
any shot against Boston, which they probably didn't to begin
with anyway, and I no longer think they're gonna be
able to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, so I'll get to the Lakers again in a second.
I want to go to Houston. I pick Houston to win,
and I me too in six or seven.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
I think they need to score, they need to make
some shot.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
It's really interesting. I want to throw this at you.
This is almost bigger than the series. Jalen Green and
a Men Thompson. They didn't go to college. They went
and got some money, went to these other leagues. And
I watched Jalen Green and I'm like, what is he?
He's just an athlete. I mean, the staff clearly doesn't
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trust him. And I sat and I watched it and
I thought, and I don't want to go too into
the weeds on this, but I'm like, here's what worries
me about Houston. A bunch of great athletes. I trust
one guy in the half court offense, Shen Goo shit
than that. I trust Butler. I trust staff pods I
actually think can hit big shots Draymond. I trust the catalyst.
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I may be on the wrong side of this. Golden
State has been in so many of these games, you know, Nick,
playoff basketball is often half court basketball, and Houston's not
good at it.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
All right, so there's a lot here. You know.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
How they give us those inside the coach huddles soundbites,
and normally they're super sanitized because they're not allowed to
give us any strategy. I thought TNT released a clip
during the game of Kerr talking that I thought the
Warriors might get mad at because it was a little
revealing where Kerr says, if we stop turning the ball over,
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they can't score, and then he's added, they cannot score
on our.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Half court defense.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
That was correct, but it also showed I think how
little respect Golden State understandably has for Houston's half court offense.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Here is the reason.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
I because I picked the Rockets in seven, and admittedly
I was watching that game like, okay, if this gets
to seven, is there a single player on the Rockets
other than Shingoon and Fred van Bliet that aren't going
to be terrified.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
To shoot the ball. So that gave me some trepidation.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
But here are the two reasons that I think you
and I might be be okay with our picks. First
one is this for a game where the Rockets couldn't score,
for them to be down twenty three in the late
third quarter and still claw their way back, not to
get it to a four point game, not be because they
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hit a bunch of threes, but because their defense is
that good and can slow down the Warriors as.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Much as it did. That to me was a positive sign.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
And the other one is Steph and Jimmy combined for
fifty six and the Warriors still only score ninety five points.
You're higher on pods than I am. I'm old enough
to remember you call him Klay Thompson replacement. That was
maybe a little premature, but Ilid is their third best
offensive player. Draymond doesn't want to shoot, Moody doesn't want
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to shoot. They're playing Gee Santos, who shouldn't be in
the playoffs right now, Quinton Posts.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Who all he wants to do is shoot.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Like the Warriors are a couple bodies short of being
a championship caliber team. Now, maybe they can get past
Houston based on the brilliance of Steph anyway, but here's
one other note. Three years ago, when Steph was thirty
four not thirty seven, and the Warriors won the championship
that entire season run, he played more minutes than he
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did in Game one this past game one time, like
the Warriors already are going to the man. We are
gonna die when Steph or Jimmy isn't on the court.
And so if the Rockets can get the split in
Game two and extend this series, I think they could
be okay. But somebody's got to make some shots and
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somebody's got to play confidently offensive basketball.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Okay, we get to the Lakers. I think the market
sometimes tells you five and a half point favorites at home.
I thought Austin Reeves got bullied. They depended greatly on
Luca who didn't pass but scored, and Lebron had eight
days off and just didn't I mean, listen, it was
the classic underdog comes in told they're facing the league's
marquee franchise, big chip on their shoulder. Well, coached, and
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the Lakers were caught flat footed and just never could shift.
I do think they're just built, and I think Ant's
become a tremendous player. But I do think the Lakers
are built to win this series because as much as
we love defense, you gotta get buckets, and they got
three playmakers. What say you, I think the Lakers take
tonight and control of the series.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Well, listen, I do think they win tonight, and I'd
be shocked if they lose tonight. But I was shocked
the way they looked in Game one, and I agree
with you that offensively, the Lakers will be much better.
Austin will be better, Lebron will be more assertive, They'll
hit more threes Offensively, I do not worry about the Lakers. Here, though,
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is the way the Timberwolves can win tonight or win
this series. I think that the Lakers defensive approach of
we are going to make Aunt a playmaker instead of
a scorer was the exact opposite, because I think that
has serious knock on effects. First of all, the Timberwolves
over the last few years are in the regular season.
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I think at twenty one three, when Anthony Edwards has
eight or more assists, and the three losses, they scored
a ton of points, they just couldn't get stops. They
are at their best when ANT is playmaking, because A
you have good three point shooters that are getting wide
open looks, and B everyone knows when guys are getting
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the ball and seeing the ball go in. They then
defend better because they're more locked into the game. So
I thought the Lakers approach would be and I think
it should be ANT. You're gonna be single guarded, and
if you score forty, we'll deal with it. Basically what
the Timberwolves did to Luca. The Timberls said, Luca, if
you get forty, so be it. You're not gonna get
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ten assists. The Lakers had the opposite approach. I think
that's a mistake. I also think when it comes to
Jackson Hayes, JJ's got to make a decision zero minutes
or fifteen plus, but eight minutes is nonsense, like it's
not enough time to get in a rhythm, but it's
enough time to do some damage to your own team.
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So he's got to make a decision there. I think
the Lakers' best five man lineup involves asking a forty
year old guy in year twenty two to play center.
But I think Luca Austin, Dorian Ruey and Lebron with
Lebron at the five might be the lineup that gives
Minnesota the most trouble because the way to punish that
lineup would be have Rudy Gobert get the ball. But
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they won't pass the ball to Rudy Gobert and he
can't score, So that's what I would do. I think
the Lakers will win tonight, and I think they're fine,
but I was a nine out of ten inconfidence going
into the series. I would say I'm a seven out
of ten after the first game.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I'm gonna throw a take at you before we go,
so I love it. You're old enough to have seen
MJ play a lot. I'm old enough to remember all
of it, including the bad games. But I've always said
Lebron's always been more magic. I mean, really, the personality, passing, ball, handling,
elevating evers. Lebron's more magic than MJ. Kobe was MJ light,
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But I've also I do believe this, if you combine
Kawhi and Kobe, that is MJ. Is that hand size strength,
Nobody fat, strength, mid range brilliance. Michael had personality and durability.
Kawhi doesn't. But Kobe didn't have hand size or that
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kind of strength that basically if you never saw MJ play,
Kobe had his flair, his personality and durability. Leonard had
the hand size, the strength that I mean he I mean,
he'll take on anybody. He doesn't even need picking rolls.
It's like, just bring on Gordon, bring on Porter that.
I think there are times that I do see some
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Michael where I'm like, God, if he just was able
to play and had a little personality, what.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Do you make of Kawhi, Well, listen, Kawhi, I saw
James Harden, you know, basically be like he's been disrespect
or underrated. I think Kawhi is one of the only
superstars in the league who there has never been a
day of his career he was underrated. He's always either
been properly rated or there was a brief moment when
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he went to the Clippers and people were talking about
it like he was the best player in the league
where he was a touch overrated, But he's been properly rated.
I think everyone understands that a healthy Kawhi Leonard is
year in and year out, a top five playoff performer
in the league.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
That is what he is now.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
I think that he has earned that right over a
decade of playoff performances, all of them saved the bubble
when he and the Clippers fell apart. When he's been healthy,
he's been really good. So set the health aside, put
it in a drawer, and hope that he's actually healthy.
I do think that we have become so incredibly prisoner
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of the moment, tee about everything that it's not about
what happened last year or even last week. Game one
of this series, he was the third or fourth best
player in the game, and James Harden was better, Joker
was better. Jamal Murray had an argument now. Game two,
he gave us the best game any player has had
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in any game this postseason. And so I think Kawhi
is a brilliant player who the Knights that his mid
range is falling like it was last night. There truly
is nothing you can do with him. And it was
a great win and a great performance, But because I
think we feel like we were cheated out of a
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few years of Kawhi playoff runs, we maybe when we
see it, you know, get a little over our skis
about you know, where he is in the NBA hierarchy
or how often we can rely on that.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
But he was unbelievable last night.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
And the other takeaway from last night before we go
just fair is fair. It doesn't happen often, but when
it happens, it has to be acknowledged. Nikola Jokic, that
was the worst playoff game he's had in a few years,
and he's a big part of the Yeah, he lost
track of the clock, took a terrible shot when there
was plenty of time. The final shot of the game,
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Aaron Gordon's wide open. He forces it when he doesn't
need to. He has seven turnovers, he has miss free throws.
Their path is Joker being the best player in the world.
He wasn't anywhere close to that last night. So again,
heavy is the head that wears the crown. He wears
the best player in the world crown.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Last night. I expect him to bounce back. But if
you just get an.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Average Joker game last night, the Nuggets are up to
nothing and it's a very different series.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Nick Right co hosts. First things First, you look great
as always buddy crush it today.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Thank you you too, See you soon.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, he pays for his own seats. That's a real
journalist America. No freebies, no uh freebies. Nick right out
there grabbing his wallet.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Just confirmed. Albeit Lakers Timberwolves tonight.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
How'd you get those tickets?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
What's it to you?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
As the gold standard of journalism in American cable television?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It's you know, my buddy has season tickets. So I
got the invite. I got tapped on the shoulder, like
to go to the bullpen. J Mack, can you come?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I was like, yeah, just all.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I mean, between your international travel and Laker tickets, you're
like you're almost a member of the kardash.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I'll be in the doghouse for this one for a
couple of days, probably with the wife.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
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Speaker 1 (25:38):
Dog Manchay is going to join us. He was great
last week on the draft. There's a lot of rumblings
Cleveland and the Giants we're gonna move down. It is
a move down draft. Here is the well traveled Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Now, this is the herd Line News. So we've got
some great news on the NBA front. Giannie is getting
back his wingman. Yes, Damian Lillard has been cleared from
his blood clot and he will play tonight.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
This is kind of sort of shocking.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Now, he's been only out since March eighteenth, so not
that long when you consider other blood clots ended guys seasons.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Dame Lillard is coming back.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
At his first practice last Thursday, and now he did
have some beef with Tyrese Haliburton in Game one while
Dame was on the bench talking trash. They go back
to I think it was the what's a mid season
tournament whatever that thing's called.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Dame's a box or you don't want to mess with Dame.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I like Halliburton. He seems like he's just out there
having fun. I don't like dam Dame's a little combat.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I will say this about the Pacers. I don't think
people give them respect. She aw comes great, Halliburton's a
great young player. Indianna gets overshadowed it. Man, they got dudes,
that's a really, really good roster. They got closures they
can play half court basketball, they can get it up
the floor. They are better than the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
So most people like the zig zag theory in the
NBA playoffs. Who if you win game one, bet on
the dog in game two to come back and Wayne
work last night for both teams. This one tonight, I
believe is four or four. It was it was four one,
up to six, then back to four with the Dame News,
I think the Pacers winning this one.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
I'm not sold in this Bucks now. I don't think
they're very good.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I picked the Pacers in the series. I think most
teams in the NBA we know they're good. I think
Indiana's good and nobody outside of Indiana gives them a
lot of love. I think they have really good players.
I like watching them plug.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, for all the talk about you know, people don't
play their bench in the playoffs. You only play like
six or seven guys. Pacers have like nine guys. They
can throw out of you, and that matters. The kind
of like the Pacers to.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Win to They can get up and down the floor,
they can do the half court stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You know, certain teams like Houston, they look lost in
the half court set.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Port Houston.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Anyways, let's go to the second story, and that's the
Detroit Pistons Colin. One of the best stories in the
playoffs so far. Look at Kane cutting him and then
he points at Carmelo Anthony, who was in the right.
Listen man, Kate Cunningham looks like a legit baller twenty
three years old and absolutely carried Detroit lesson.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, he was so clutched.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well he was. He was Oklahoma state guy. Wasn't he
a number one?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Number one over all?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
He was hurry just to be He was young when
he came in.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I put out for fun last night on Twitter. Who
would you rather build around Kate Cunningham or John Moran?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Oh, Kate Countingham easily.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
That's I didn't think it would be universal. Kate cunning
out and John Muran's won a lot of playoff games,
He's done some Damn.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Untie John Moran. You people think I am.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
But after about four different incidences, I have my reservations
like you are. It's one thing when you come into
the NBA, like I mean his zion ever really changed? No,
still still injuries and maturity, like I think generally mature kids,
mature adults were mostly mature kids. Yeah, you don't find
(28:54):
go to go to college with the craziest guy you
were in college, probably doesn't end up a CEO. Praying
out by the way, doesn't mean he can't be successful
and a wonderful person. But if I think of the
biggest part of yours, the wildest guys in college, they're
a version of that. Now interesting.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
So anyways, it was Detroit's first playoff win since two
thousand and eight. Colin, I don't think FS one existed
in two thousand and eight. You were on the other
side of the country. I wasn't here. Here's Tom Thibodeau,
very upset. The Knicks coach is talking about how the
refs say they had a factor in the result.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
Obviously huge discrepancy and free throws huge, huge, So I
got to take a look at that, right. So, you know,
I don't understand, you know how on one side that
you know you talk about the direct line drives the
guys getting fouled and as not being a call. Right So,
and look, I really don't give a crap how they
call the game as long as it's consistent on both sides. Well,
(29:51):
so if Cunningham's driving and there's marginal contact and he's
getting to the line and Jillen deserves to be getting
to the line.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Okay, you got to remember refs aren't paid to be fair. Okay,
they're not paid to be fair. The Celtics, by the way,
don't shoot a lot of free throws because they jack
up a lot of three. Right. So the reality is
Detroit is initiating contract contact. They're moving the ball better,
they're attacking more consistently. Kat didn't have a field goal.
(30:19):
There was like six minutes left in the second quarter.
He never scored again.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Well, I'll say dilgel in.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
The first half, Detroit I think attempted thirteen three throws,
the Knicks one and the next drive. Dylan Bruns is
driving all day, So I thought it was a little
By the way, free throw advantage was twenty eight makes
to sixteen.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Man, because you know, the NBA is like, we want
to get the Knicks out of the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Noll I just you know the whistle. That game was
super physical.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
By the way, we've talked about this regular season and
analytics is totally different from.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
The NBA playoffs.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
What we saw last night. This physical lot of grabby stuff.
I don't love that.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Well, that's the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Then blull the whistle and tell them guys stop doing that,
and we want to see basketball.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Not a lot of ball seasons play hurt. Here was
the reality of us.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Here we got all right, final story, Colin, Let's go
to the NFL. NFC North has become one of the
toughest divisions in football the last couple of years. Lions
have dominated the last two seasons and the success is
it getting to their head team president making some interesting
comments when talking about bringing the draft back to Detroit
from green Bay.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
Trying to get the NFL that consider bringing it back
because I don't think they'll ever topic so and I
told you off stage, you know there's no way green
Bay will come close and they'll finish finished second or
as I said to Brad on stage third like they
did last year.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Ooh ooh a lot but a couple of grenades there.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, the trash talk in this division has gotten.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh it's a good division. A lot of a lot
of a lot of talk. That was pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I mean, you know, what was the what did Michael
Jordan's say in the in that docu series Hey, it's
easy to talk trash when you're winning. Yeah, talk tracks
when you're losing. Nobody does that. Detroit's won the division
two years in a row. They're rolling, and now he's
throwing this stuff at Green Bay. I think this is
risky because I might be on an island. I think
Detroit's coming back down to the pack a little bit here,
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like maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Aiden Hutchinson does come back.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
One guy that can fix the defense, their best guy
on me. Their coordinators gone.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So that's I think the one thing that really worries me.
Whenever an organization loses a star coordinator and they hire within.
I'm not a fan of that. I am not now.
Sometimes there's a certain culture, like Nike years ago brought
somebody from outside the company to run it was a disaster.
(32:37):
Sometimes there's a certain culture where you like people in Google.
No Google, you don't want to bring in somebody from
another company. They may not get the culture of it.
But in football, generally, if you have a coordinator opening,
go get the best coordinator in the world. It's the NFL.
All these teams are printing money.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
That the problem with the best coordinator in the world,
he wants to be a head coach.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
He doesn't want to be to.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Make a lateral move to coordinator. It is really tough
to find great offense.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
But that's the downside, the hiring good people, they may leave. Yeah,
that's three ality along.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd line.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
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Speaker 1 (34:01):
I talked about this earlier. If you're gonna make a
massive trade, you got to get a lot of opinions
on it before you make it. And I can't believe
nobody stood up before that Luca trade of the Lakers.
In any room, it doesn't matter if you're on the phone,
a zoom call, somebody would go, yeah, I don't feel
good about this at all. So is Luca or is
(34:21):
Nico Harrison a loaner to private and only surrounds himself
with yes man or just a nept All of them
don't qualify you to be a GM of an NBA team.
I don't know the man, but he just should stop talking.
But here's Jerry Jones on that deal.
Speaker 11 (34:38):
The world knows that I've got my hands full thinking
about what we think about over here, much less trying
to figure out I look at the Maverick to very
much entertainment ee and Jane lives and dies with that
basketball and just cried when Luca left.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
But if I understand that, yeah, I mean, it's a
very rarely in my life. I mean, if you, I
don't even have a list of him, But very rarely
in life have I seen a trade in pro sports
and immediately went, oh, that's awful. If the media summarily
(35:18):
acknowledges that's a whiff. It generally is I've said this
about stars before. Sometimes we hype people up, but when
we really go overboard, like Bryce Harper, Lebron James or
Tiger Woods, it's generally warranted. Right Like it's like like
Christian Polisic, like he's he's our best attacker, he's our
(35:39):
best pure soccer talent ever, and people have been on
him since he was like fourteen years old. It was warranted.
Now we went to little bunkers on Freddie you do,
but moved off that pretty quickly. But the Luca trade
is what in the hell is that? What are we
doing here? And you know, I think most of the
time your instincts, your first up opinion on a move
(36:02):
is WHOA And I said, I would have slept on it.
A D Austin Reeves, three first round picks. I would
have slept on it because he'd missed back to back
camps plays. No defense can be ball centric, doesn't elevate
necessarily everybody. I mean, the other night he had one assist,
and that's playing with Lebron and Austin Reeves, so he
didn't share the ball a lot. But I mean, one
(36:24):
thing is clear Nico Harrison. I heard this yesterday. This
is hard for me to come to terms with.
Speaker 12 (36:33):
I did know that Luca was important to the to
the fan base, I didn't quite know it to what level.
But really the way we looked at it is, you know,
if you're putting on the if you're putting the team
on the floor, that's Kyrie, Clay PJ, Anthony Davis and Lively.
We feel that's a championship caliber team and we would
(36:55):
have been winning at a high level and that would
have quieted some of the outrage now U.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
In fairness, if the team didn't fall apart physically and
won on a nine game winning streak, it would have
helped a little. I think the only thing that can
save Nico Harrison because I do like the Mavericks talent.
They'll be a playoff team next year. I really believe
that if Kyrie Irving comes back and they get a
good draft pick, they'll be a good team. But if
(37:22):
they got Cooper Flag, and we've looked at the odds
for that, I do think if they got Cooper Flag,
eventually ad Kyrie Cooper Flag, I think that would be
the life preserver for Nico Harrison's career. But it is
anytime you see a trade and your first reaction is
(37:42):
the hell, what is that? It's a bad trade, and I, yeah,
it's it's I mean, I remember. I don't even want
to mention this because it seems like I'm picking on him,
but I can remember a quarterback getting drafted really really
high in a Midwestern franchise and just thinking this is
(38:02):
an horrendous draft pick. Based on what I thought and
what several people who I trust in the NFL thought,
no reason to pick on him. Charles Barkley was more
direct last night.
Speaker 13 (38:16):
Man, don't do no more press conferences, Like, I don't
even know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I really don't. Like.
Speaker 13 (38:23):
I got sympathy and love for you, but I have
zero idea what you're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
This war is over, brother, you.
Speaker 13 (38:32):
You go to take you take in the IL. I
hope you keep your job. I hope that team get healthy.
But man, don't do any more interviews.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, and if you do, I've said this about NFL
coaches before, if you do a press conference on Wednesday,
don't wing it. Like the answer to almost anything as
a public figure is politician, football coach, GM, don't wing it,
and I feel I do feel bad. But the craziest
part about this is did nobody for the Mavericks raise
(39:03):
their voice or their hand before this was considered, which
leads me to believe I mean, Jason Kidd didn't know,
Mark Cuban didn't know. And both of those guys, especially Cuban,
Cuban's a talker, he's social, he's verbal. If Mark didn't know,
if Jason Kidd didn't know, well, then you're relying on
(39:23):
like what junior staffers for the biggest move in the
history of the franchise. If I was going to make
a massive career move, I have four or five people.
I'd call all of them much more successful than me,
and I'd say, hey, you tell me you've been in
this business for twenties. I wouldn't go to interns. Hey, Sparky,
what do you think like Jason kiddn't know, Mark Cuban
(39:46):
didn't know. Those are the Jason Kidd's top five point
guard ever, and Cuban's one of the smartest people in
the country in tech and frankly been a good owner.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
If you didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Include those two guys, who were you including in the conversation?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
A lot of people just want to be surrounded by
yes men, Colin. They want to be told they reinforce
your belief.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
We like everybody just agreed with it. If you had
five guys that didn't that liked the NBA but didn't
love it, If you had five year buddies and said, hey,
we're gonna trade Luca for Max Christy Anthony Davis in
the first round. Pick all five of your buddies, even
if they don't love the NBA, would have been that's stupid.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
But we see this in NFL NBA politics. You don't
want to be challenged.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
You want you believe you're smarter than everyone else and
you can make all the decisions. And that's what this
guy believed. Hey, I know a D and Kyrie from
my dealings at Nike.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
We're good. We're gonna win.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Even you're out here saying, hey, with Kyrie next year,
they're really good.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
If Kyrie's back, he ain't gonna be back by Christmas?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Is he bad? Trade? Bad message?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
And by the way, chances to get Cooper Flagg one
point eight percent to get the number one over a
pick that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
So you're saying there's a chance. Okay, he went from
Nike to the front office. Maybe it's just on a
good fit. Maybe it's just that our three, Todd McShay
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go, it's our two. Thanks againing
Jordan Schultz who filled in the last week. He did
a great job. Jmack is back. Jmak travel. You're not
messing around between jet Chat, GBT and Google Translate. You
go all over the globe. You just point that Google
Translate that app and can translate anything. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We went to Japan and it was phenomenal, the culture,
the food, the people love it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Highly recommend for your next trip with A and M.
Would love Japan. It is just phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Do they have good wine?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Amazing food in Saki? I would do in sake bombs
lefton righters them.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Between you and Ryan. Don't you guys ever, just go
to Vegas for a weekend. Does everything have to be
like a Singapore.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Air Been there, done that, you know a lot of it,
but I do need to go to Vegas cast some
winning tickets from the NFL season.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Got some cast color in my way.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
All right, here's the story the Browns and the Giants
according to Peter Schreger, who used to uh where did
he work? Let me think for a second. AnyWho shreg
is over at the other place. We love them. According
to him, the Browns and Giants are are considering trading down.
So the problem with this draft is it is a
(01:39):
trade down draft. Even at the top of the draft.
By the second pick, you get Travis Hunter, who wants
to play both sides of the ball, and Greg Colesel
last week brought up I think a pretty interesting point.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Imagine Nick Siriani walking into Vic Fangio on a Wednesday,
you know, as they're preparing for a game and saying, hey,
coach Vick, you know today Travis is going to be
with the afense, not with you. Well, Vick's going to
tell him, well, then you know what he's not. He's
not playing on Sunday. But I don't care how gifted
he is. But you know what, if he makes a mistake,
we're giving up a sixty yard touchdown. So to me,
(02:13):
it's not whether he's physically capable of doing it. He
may be that freakish guy that is, because what he
did in college is absolutely remarkable, ridiculous. But I think
it's more about the preparation during the week. I'm not
sure you can be a part time outside corner in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
You know, this is not college football where you're playing
you know, Washington State and just athletic ability reigns like
everybody's great and you may still be great, but you'll
get worked if you're not sitting in those film rooms.
So and that's the second player drafted by the third player,
Abdul Carter. Potentially he's been advised to get surgery and
(02:52):
he's like, I'm not getting surgery. So I already have
issues with the second and third pick. There's only one
player in this draft that I love unconditionally, and that's
Mason Graham, the defensive tackle for Michigan. Productivity, toughness, durability, motor.
I watched him play fifteen times the last two years.
(03:13):
He ate everybody for lunch and people say, well, his
ceiling isn't high all. I know every game I watched,
he was in the backfield. Every game I watched didn't
matter if it was Ohio State, it didn't matter if
it was USC. It didn't matter if he had Harbaugh
as a coach. It didn't matter if he had Harbaugh's replacement.
Mason Graham was the one player that in this Again,
if it was a great draft, maybe he'd go thirteen.
(03:35):
But in this draft, I got no personality issues, no
injury issues, productivity, durability, toughness, production. That's the only guy
outside of that. I mean, the number two and three picks,
there's dilemmas. So all right, let's go. This will be
good today. We got a lot to talk about. Nick Wright,
co host First Things, First three Eastern on our network.
(04:00):
So you know, before I get to the NBA, I
did say this. I like the draft. I've always been
into it. There's one kid I just love. There's a
lot of questions. So I did a mock draft last
week and now now and you do this stuff real well,
was there anything on this? I actually think some of
most of the stuff is not just they're good players,
(04:20):
but their needs. Like the Jets tight end situation, it's
never productive. Gino Smith is actually good with a run game.
Ashton Jenny Fitz there the Dolphins have to like it. Yeah,
the Dolphins, please draft an offensive lineman. You just lost
Tron Armstead. Most of these, I like, is there anything
that jumped out to you on that?
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well, I'm glad you're asking me. You know, final mock
draft comes out Thursday. On first things first, remember last
year nineteenth most actor mock drafter in the entire world.
Your guy Nick Wright picked it up as a hobby,
and you know, top twenty in the world.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Nothing to talking about. So I kind of want to
go through this if we can.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I love the draft.
Speaker 7 (04:58):
I don't love.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
College football's much as you, but I think I love
the draft as much as you. I cannot believe that
you the man that coined the phrase better than Babe
for show. Hey, Otani, you are not in love with
Travis Hunter. Why are we putting a ceiling on what
Travis Hunter can do? When we saw him all there,
(05:20):
it had been at least eight years since a college
football player did two hundred and fifty snaps on both
sides of the ball. He did seven hundred on both
sides of the ball. So I agree with you that
he's going to go too. But just from your talk beforehand,
it seems like you're not as in love with him
as I am, So I'm just curious why.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I think a little bit is there's a rigidity to
football because there's one game a week, and these defensive
coordinators and offensive coordinators get very prickly and they want
their guy in meeting rooms. I for the record, I
think football players practice too much. I mean, Sean McVay it,
we're not gonna have anybody play in the preseason now,
(06:03):
nobody plays in the preseason, So I would argue a
lot of its nonsense. I would. I think he's gonna
be a brilliant NFL wide receiver. I do think, however,
there's gonna be people on the defensive side that resent
the fact that he's he's never in meetings. But I
have him going too because he is a I mean,
he's a transformational, all time talent. He's got something Michael
(06:23):
Jordan had that I've never seen before. Michael's very rare.
Michael could play eighteen holes of golf in the heat
and then drop forty four and play forty eight minutes.
Like some guys are built different. They just have this relentless,
you know, ability to never get tired in the Kidcher.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
So all right, So if we say I totally agree
with you on the Jags taking Mason Graham, I think
that's gonna happen. I absolutely agree about the Raiders in Ashton,
Jen t Pete Carrow wants to win right now.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
I think I'm higher on.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
The Raiders than I guess just about everybody in the
race to finish second in the AFC West, which is
what the is.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
I know this show is big on the Chiefs. I
don't know probably having a top five pick next year.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Listening to you and Jmac how you think of Kansas City,
But I think the Chiefs will win the division because
they do every year. I think the Raiders going from
bottom three quarterback to top twelve quarterback, bottom three coach
to top ten coach if they take Gent, I think
they could finish second in the division. I just so
I agree with you on a lot of this. I
(07:25):
want to ask you about the Giants because if you're
the Giants and everyone's job is on the line, don't
you probably try to double dip and by that I
mean draft op dual Carter At three, everyone seemed to
think Shador is gonna slip out of the top ten
and then use next year's first round pick, which is
(07:46):
someone else's problem if you get fired this year anyway,
to then trade up and get Shador Like. I do
think the Giants could end up with Shador, I just
don't think they're gonna take him over Obdual.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
Carter at three.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, So this was my dilemma. I said this. I
didn't include trades. A story came out which I just
mentioned five minutes ago. I think the Giants want to
trade down and get out of the Shaduur thing and
then go get Jackson Dart at twenty eight if somebody
moved up, which I don't love either, but I don't
think my take was Abdul Carter is not worth half
(08:20):
a point in the NFL, and if Schaduer can just
stabilize the offense, he's worth four. And I also think
Brian Davile is a pretty darn good coach offensively if
he got Daniel Jones to win a playoff game. So
to your point, I think they want to trade down.
I think there's division in the room on Shaduer, but
I would not include trades. So that was my toughest pike.
(08:43):
I didn't know what to do with the Giants.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Yeah, listen, I'll tell you this much, and then I
know you want to get to the NBA. Yeah, the
Patriots would be thrilled with this because the Patriots are
staring at a worst case scenario of it going cam Ward,
then the two Blue Chippers Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter,
and then they're like, well, what do we do here? Like,
(09:06):
we just spent all that money in the offseason on
the d tackle from Philadelphia, so we're probably not gonna
take Mason Graham. We spent all of our money this
offseason on the defensive side of the ball. We have
no weapons for Drake may at all. I'm not as
bullish on Stepan Diggs as I think some people are,
but there's no wide receiver you can take it for.
(09:27):
They're not gonna take gent at four, so I think
they would then be in a spot where we're gonna
take the short armed offensive lineman. Will cambell it four
Like that's probably so. I think the Patriots the point
of this is they would love if somehow another quarterback
went in the top three in addition to cam Ward,
and then they had the opportunity to draft ab dual Carter.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
I just don't think that's how it's gonna fall for them.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Okay, we got good NBA stuff, So I'm gonna start
with this. Yeah, don't you can't get too caught up
in Game one. I'm gonna get back to the Lakers
a second. But Vegas is telling you they're a five
and a half point favorite. They had eight days off,
they just weren't ready to play. And Minnesota is one
of those teams that loves like the Baltimore Ravens. They
love ugly sports, they love to bang. They're not artistic,
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they're not aesthetically pleasing. That was perfect rusty Laker team,
not ready to play, and we just get to be
ugly physical. So I'm not worried about the Lakers. But
there's a problem with the Knicks. There is a big problem.
They are a campaign fourth quarter from being owing to
at home. Timms is not an offensive coach, and they
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got offensive issues, and I think a bad time to
try and solve them is going on the road at
one one in the playoffs. I think the Knicks could
be in a little trouble. What you were there last night.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
So I was there last night.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
I had pretty amazing seats I paid for. By the way,
I'm not gonna nobody gives me tickets to our friends
at seat Geek.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
I guess helped me out a bit, but I bought.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Them, and I was right behind the Knicks bench, and
I'm shocked they.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Lost that game.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Shocked.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You're right that.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Now in retrospect, you look back and you say, man,
eight quarters of this series, the Pistons have been the
clearly better team for six or seven of them.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yeah, but going into last night, I.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Thought, okay, the Pistons got demoralized by that fourth quarter. Yeah,
a twenty one to nothing run in this series. If
you were to say, hey, who are the five best
players in the series.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
The nick should have four of the five.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Madison Square Garden is one of the only true home
court advantages that exist. It's still in the NBA because
it's so loud. They don't play the goofy music throughout
the game. The fans are really into it. I know
I sound like an old man, but it's true. And
Kate Cunningham and those kids on the Pistons, along with
the you know, veterans and Tobias Harrison Shruder said no,
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not today and Jalen Brunson. He played well, but was
really trying to get everyone in foul trouble.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
And that maybe took him a.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Little bit out of rhythm early, even though he finished
with thirty seven. Karl Anthony Towns went total Milk Carton mode,
where he was nowhere to be found for the final
twenty game minutes of that game, Michale Bridges played I
thought fine, but missed some open shots, and now all
of a sudden, you find yourself in a fight with
a team that crowd in Detroit Colin the last playoff
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game the Detroit Pistons won prior to last night, Paul
Pierce was their opponent. It was against the eight Celtics
in the Eastern Conference finals, So that crowd is going
to be out of their mind, and so I think,
all of a sudden, instead of this being what it
should have been a tidy five games for New York,
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it's looking like it's going to be six or seven
with Tibbs playing his guys forty plus minutes every single night,
and then they're gonna walk into a buzz saw against Boston.
So I still think the Knicks are going to win
this series. I think they have more talent than the Pistons.
And I don't think as great as Cade was last night,
and he was great all year, I don't think he's
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gonna throw up thirty three and twelve every game. But
the Knicks needed to win this series quickly to have
any shot against Boston, which they probably didn't to begin
with anyway, and I no longer think they're gonna be
able to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, so I'll get to the Lakers again in a second.
I want to go to Houston. I pick Houston to win,
and I me too in six or seven.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
I think they need to score, they need to make
some shot.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
It's really interesting. I want to throw this at you.
This is almost bigger than the series. Jalen Green and
a Men Thompson. They didn't go to college. They went
and got some money, went to these other leagues. And
I watched Jalen Green and I'm like, what is he?
He's just an athlete. I mean, the staff clearly doesn't
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trust him. And I sat and I watched it and
I thought, and I don't want to go too into
the weeds on this, but I'm like, here's what worries
me about Houston. A bunch of great athletes. I trust
one guy in the half court offense, Shen Goo shit
than that. I trust Butler. I trust staff pods I
actually think can hit big shots Draymond. I trust the catalyst.
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I may be on the wrong side of this. Golden
State has been in so many of these games, you know, Nick,
playoff basketball is often half court basketball, and Houston's not
good at it.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
All right, so there's a lot here. You know.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
How they give us those inside the coach huddles soundbites,
and normally they're super sanitized because they're not allowed to
give us any strategy. I thought TNT released a clip
during the game of Kerr talking that I thought the
Warriors might get mad at because it was a little
revealing where Kerr says, if we stop turning the ball over,
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they can't score, and then he's added, they cannot score
on our.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Half court defense.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
That was correct, but it also showed I think how
little respect Golden State understandably has for Houston's half court offense.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Here is the reason.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
I because I picked the Rockets in seven, and admittedly
I was watching that game like, okay, if this gets
to seven, is there a single player on the Rockets
other than Shingoon and Fred van Bliet that aren't going
to be terrified.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
To shoot the ball. So that gave me some trepidation.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
But here are the two reasons that I think you
and I might be be okay with our picks. First
one is this for a game where the Rockets couldn't score,
for them to be down twenty three in the late
third quarter and still claw their way back, not to
get it to a four point game, not be because they
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hit a bunch of threes, but because their defense is
that good and can slow down the Warriors as.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Much as it did. That to me was a positive sign.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
And the other one is Steph and Jimmy combined for
fifty six and the Warriors still only score ninety five points.
You're higher on pods than I am. I'm old enough
to remember you call him Klay Thompson replacement. That was
maybe a little premature, but Ilid is their third best
offensive player. Draymond doesn't want to shoot, Moody doesn't want
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to shoot. They're playing Gee Santos, who shouldn't be in
the playoffs right now, Quinton Posts.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Who all he wants to do is shoot.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Like the Warriors are a couple bodies short of being
a championship caliber team. Now, maybe they can get past
Houston based on the brilliance of Steph anyway, but here's
one other note. Three years ago, when Steph was thirty
four not thirty seven, and the Warriors won the championship
that entire season run, he played more minutes than he
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did in Game one this past game one time, like
the Warriors already are going to the man. We are
gonna die when Steph or Jimmy isn't on the court.
And so if the Rockets can get the split in
Game two and extend this series, I think they could
be okay. But somebody's got to make some shots and
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somebody's got to play confidently offensive basketball.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Okay, we get to the Lakers. I think the market
sometimes tells you five and a half point favorites at home.
I thought Austin Reeves got bullied. They depended greatly on
Luca who didn't pass but scored, and Lebron had eight
days off and just didn't I mean, listen, it was
the classic underdog comes in told they're facing the league's
marquee franchise, big chip on their shoulder. Well, coached, and
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the Lakers were caught flat footed and just never could shift.
I do think they're just built, and I think Ant's
become a tremendous player. But I do think the Lakers
are built to win this series because as much as
we love defense, you gotta get buckets, and they got
three playmakers. What say you, I think the Lakers take
tonight and control of the series.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Well, listen, I do think they win tonight, and I'd
be shocked if they lose tonight. But I was shocked
the way they looked in Game one, and I agree
with you that offensively, the Lakers will be much better.
Austin will be better, Lebron will be more assertive, They'll
hit more threes Offensively, I do not worry about the Lakers. Here, though,
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is the way the Timberwolves can win tonight or win
this series. I think that the Lakers defensive approach of
we are going to make Aunt a playmaker instead of
a scorer was the exact opposite, because I think that
has serious knock on effects. First of all, the Timberwolves
over the last few years are in the regular season.
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I think at twenty one three, when Anthony Edwards has
eight or more assists, and the three losses, they scored
a ton of points, they just couldn't get stops. They
are at their best when ANT is playmaking, because A
you have good three point shooters that are getting wide
open looks, and B everyone knows when guys are getting
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the ball and seeing the ball go in. They then
defend better because they're more locked into the game. So
I thought the Lakers approach would be and I think
it should be ANT. You're gonna be single guarded, and
if you score forty, we'll deal with it. Basically what
the Timberwolves did to Luca. The Timberls said, Luca, if
you get forty, so be it. You're not gonna get
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ten assists. The Lakers had the opposite approach. I think
that's a mistake. I also think when it comes to
Jackson Hayes, JJ's got to make a decision zero minutes
or fifteen plus, but eight minutes is nonsense, like it's
not enough time to get in a rhythm, but it's
enough time to do some damage to your own team.
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So he's got to make a decision there. I think
the Lakers' best five man lineup involves asking a forty
year old guy in year twenty two to play center.
But I think Luca Austin, Dorian Ruey and Lebron with
Lebron at the five might be the lineup that gives
Minnesota the most trouble because the way to punish that
lineup would be have Rudy Gobert get the ball. But
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they won't pass the ball to Rudy Gobert and he
can't score, So that's what I would do. I think
the Lakers will win tonight, and I think they're fine,
but I was a nine out of ten inconfidence going
into the series. I would say I'm a seven out
of ten after the first game.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I'm gonna throw a take at you before we go,
so I love it. You're old enough to have seen
MJ play a lot. I'm old enough to remember all
of it, including the bad games. But I've always said
Lebron's always been more magic. I mean, really, the personality, passing, ball, handling,
elevating evers. Lebron's more magic than MJ. Kobe was MJ light,
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But I've also I do believe this, if you combine
Kawhi and Kobe, that is MJ. Is that hand size strength,
Nobody fat, strength, mid range brilliance. Michael had personality and durability.
Kawhi doesn't. But Kobe didn't have hand size or that
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kind of strength that basically if you never saw MJ play,
Kobe had his flair, his personality and durability. Leonard had
the hand size, the strength that I mean he I mean,
he'll take on anybody. He doesn't even need picking rolls.
It's like, just bring on Gordon, bring on Porter that.
I think there are times that I do see some
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Michael where I'm like, God, if he just was able
to play and had a little personality, what.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Do you make of Kawhi, Well, listen, Kawhi, I saw
James Harden, you know, basically be like he's been disrespect
or underrated. I think Kawhi is one of the only
superstars in the league who there has never been a
day of his career he was underrated. He's always either
been properly rated or there was a brief moment when
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he went to the Clippers and people were talking about
it like he was the best player in the league
where he was a touch overrated, But he's been properly rated.
I think everyone understands that a healthy Kawhi Leonard is
year in and year out, a top five playoff performer
in the league.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
That is what he is now.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
I think that he has earned that right over a
decade of playoff performances, all of them saved the bubble
when he and the Clippers fell apart. When he's been healthy,
he's been really good. So set the health aside, put
it in a drawer, and hope that he's actually healthy.
I do think that we have become so incredibly prisoner
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of the moment, tee about everything that it's not about
what happened last year or even last week. Game one
of this series, he was the third or fourth best
player in the game, and James Harden was better, Joker
was better. Jamal Murray had an argument now. Game two,
he gave us the best game any player has had
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in any game this postseason. And so I think Kawhi
is a brilliant player who the Knights that his mid
range is falling like it was last night. There truly
is nothing you can do with him. And it was
a great win and a great performance, But because I
think we feel like we were cheated out of a
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few years of Kawhi playoff runs, we maybe when we
see it, you know, get a little over our skis
about you know, where he is in the NBA hierarchy
or how often we can rely on that.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
But he was unbelievable last night.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
And the other takeaway from last night before we go
just fair is fair. It doesn't happen often, but when
it happens, it has to be acknowledged. Nikola Jokic, that
was the worst playoff game he's had in a few years,
and he's a big part of the Yeah, he lost
track of the clock, took a terrible shot when there
was plenty of time. The final shot of the game,
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Aaron Gordon's wide open. He forces it when he doesn't
need to. He has seven turnovers, he has miss free throws.
Their path is Joker being the best player in the world.
He wasn't anywhere close to that last night. So again,
heavy is the head that wears the crown. He wears
the best player in the world crown.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Last night. I expect him to bounce back. But if
you just get an.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Average Joker game last night, the Nuggets are up to
nothing and it's a very different series.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Nick Right co hosts. First things First, you look great
as always buddy crush it today.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Thank you you too, See you soon.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, he pays for his own seats. That's a real
journalist America. No freebies, no uh freebies. Nick right out
there grabbing his wallet.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Just confirmed. Albeit Lakers Timberwolves tonight.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
How'd you get those tickets?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
What's it to you?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
As the gold standard of journalism in American cable television?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It's you know, my buddy has season tickets. So I
got the invite. I got tapped on the shoulder, like
to go to the bullpen. J Mack, can you come?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I was like, yeah, just all.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I mean, between your international travel and Laker tickets, you're
like you're almost a member of the kardash.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I'll be in the doghouse for this one for a
couple of days, probably with the wife.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (25:38):
Dog Manchay is going to join us. He was great
last week on the draft. There's a lot of rumblings
Cleveland and the Giants we're gonna move down. It is
a move down draft. Here is the well traveled Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Now, this is the herd Line News. So we've got
some great news on the NBA front. Giannie is getting
back his wingman. Yes, Damian Lillard has been cleared from
his blood clot and he will play tonight.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
This is kind of sort of shocking.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Now, he's been only out since March eighteenth, so not
that long when you consider other blood clots ended guys seasons.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Dame Lillard is coming back.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
At his first practice last Thursday, and now he did
have some beef with Tyrese Haliburton in Game one while
Dame was on the bench talking trash. They go back
to I think it was the what's a mid season
tournament whatever that thing's called.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Dame's a box or you don't want to mess with Dame.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I like Halliburton. He seems like he's just out there
having fun. I don't like dam Dame's a little combat.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I will say this about the Pacers. I don't think
people give them respect. She aw comes great, Halliburton's a
great young player. Indianna gets overshadowed it. Man, they got dudes,
that's a really, really good roster. They got closures they
can play half court basketball, they can get it up
the floor. They are better than the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
So most people like the zig zag theory in the
NBA playoffs. Who if you win game one, bet on
the dog in game two to come back and Wayne
work last night for both teams. This one tonight, I
believe is four or four. It was it was four one,
up to six, then back to four with the Dame News,
I think the Pacers winning this one.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
I'm not sold in this Bucks now. I don't think
they're very good.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I picked the Pacers in the series. I think most
teams in the NBA we know they're good. I think
Indiana's good and nobody outside of Indiana gives them a
lot of love. I think they have really good players.
I like watching them plug.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, for all the talk about you know, people don't
play their bench in the playoffs. You only play like
six or seven guys. Pacers have like nine guys. They
can throw out of you, and that matters. The kind
of like the Pacers to.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Win to They can get up and down the floor,
they can do the half court stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You know, certain teams like Houston, they look lost in
the half court set.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Port Houston.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Anyways, let's go to the second story, and that's the
Detroit Pistons Colin. One of the best stories in the
playoffs so far. Look at Kane cutting him and then
he points at Carmelo Anthony, who was in the right.
Listen man, Kate Cunningham looks like a legit baller twenty
three years old and absolutely carried Detroit lesson.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, he was so clutched.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well he was. He was Oklahoma state guy. Wasn't he
a number one?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Number one over all?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
He was hurry just to be He was young when
he came in.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I put out for fun last night on Twitter. Who
would you rather build around Kate Cunningham or John Moran?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Oh, Kate Countingham easily.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
That's I didn't think it would be universal. Kate cunning
out and John Muran's won a lot of playoff games,
He's done some Damn.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Untie John Moran. You people think I am.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
But after about four different incidences, I have my reservations
like you are. It's one thing when you come into
the NBA, like I mean his zion ever really changed? No,
still still injuries and maturity, like I think generally mature kids,
mature adults were mostly mature kids. Yeah, you don't find
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go to go to college with the craziest guy you
were in college, probably doesn't end up a CEO. Praying
out by the way, doesn't mean he can't be successful
and a wonderful person. But if I think of the
biggest part of yours, the wildest guys in college, they're
a version of that. Now interesting.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
So anyways, it was Detroit's first playoff win since two
thousand and eight. Colin, I don't think FS one existed
in two thousand and eight. You were on the other
side of the country. I wasn't here. Here's Tom Thibodeau,
very upset. The Knicks coach is talking about how the
refs say they had a factor in the result.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
Obviously huge discrepancy and free throws huge, huge, So I
got to take a look at that, right. So, you know,
I don't understand, you know how on one side that
you know you talk about the direct line drives the
guys getting fouled and as not being a call. Right So,
and look, I really don't give a crap how they
call the game as long as it's consistent on both sides. Well,
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so if Cunningham's driving and there's marginal contact and he's
getting to the line and Jillen deserves to be getting
to the line.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Okay, you got to remember refs aren't paid to be fair. Okay,
they're not paid to be fair. The Celtics, by the way,
don't shoot a lot of free throws because they jack
up a lot of three. Right. So the reality is
Detroit is initiating contract contact. They're moving the ball better,
they're attacking more consistently. Kat didn't have a field goal.
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There was like six minutes left in the second quarter.
He never scored again.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Well, I'll say dilgel in.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
The first half, Detroit I think attempted thirteen three throws,
the Knicks one and the next drive. Dylan Bruns is
driving all day, So I thought it was a little
By the way, free throw advantage was twenty eight makes
to sixteen.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Man, because you know, the NBA is like, we want
to get the Knicks out of the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Noll I just you know the whistle. That game was
super physical.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
By the way, we've talked about this regular season and
analytics is totally different from.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
The NBA playoffs.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
What we saw last night. This physical lot of grabby stuff.
I don't love that.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Well, that's the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Then blull the whistle and tell them guys stop doing that,
and we want to see basketball.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Not a lot of ball seasons play hurt. Here was
the reality of us.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Here we got all right, final story, Colin, Let's go
to the NFL. NFC North has become one of the
toughest divisions in football the last couple of years. Lions
have dominated the last two seasons and the success is
it getting to their head team president making some interesting
comments when talking about bringing the draft back to Detroit
from green Bay.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
Trying to get the NFL that consider bringing it back
because I don't think they'll ever topic so and I
told you off stage, you know there's no way green
Bay will come close and they'll finish finished second or
as I said to Brad on stage third like they
did last year.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Ooh ooh a lot but a couple of grenades there.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, the trash talk in this division has gotten.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh it's a good division. A lot of a lot
of a lot of talk. That was pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I mean, you know, what was the what did Michael
Jordan's say in the in that docu series Hey, it's
easy to talk trash when you're winning. Yeah, talk tracks
when you're losing. Nobody does that. Detroit's won the division
two years in a row. They're rolling, and now he's
throwing this stuff at Green Bay. I think this is
risky because I might be on an island. I think
Detroit's coming back down to the pack a little bit here,
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like maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Aiden Hutchinson does come back.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
One guy that can fix the defense, their best guy
on me. Their coordinators gone.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So that's I think the one thing that really worries me.
Whenever an organization loses a star coordinator and they hire within.
I'm not a fan of that. I am not now.
Sometimes there's a certain culture, like Nike years ago brought
somebody from outside the company to run it was a disaster.
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Sometimes there's a certain culture where you like people in Google.
No Google, you don't want to bring in somebody from
another company. They may not get the culture of it.
But in football, generally, if you have a coordinator opening,
go get the best coordinator in the world. It's the NFL.
All these teams are printing money.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
That the problem with the best coordinator in the world,
he wants to be a head coach.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
He doesn't want to be to.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Make a lateral move to coordinator. It is really tough
to find great offense.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
But that's the downside, the hiring good people, they may leave. Yeah,
that's three ality along.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd line.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Ja, he's already gambling and getting free Laker tickets. It's
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Speaker 1 (34:01):
I talked about this earlier. If you're gonna make a
massive trade, you got to get a lot of opinions
on it before you make it. And I can't believe
nobody stood up before that Luca trade of the Lakers.
In any room, it doesn't matter if you're on the phone,
a zoom call, somebody would go, yeah, I don't feel
good about this at all. So is Luca or is
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Nico Harrison a loaner to private and only surrounds himself
with yes man or just a nept All of them
don't qualify you to be a GM of an NBA team.
I don't know the man, but he just should stop talking.
But here's Jerry Jones on that deal.
Speaker 11 (34:38):
The world knows that I've got my hands full thinking
about what we think about over here, much less trying
to figure out I look at the Maverick to very
much entertainment ee and Jane lives and dies with that
basketball and just cried when Luca left.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
But if I understand that, yeah, I mean, it's a
very rarely in my life. I mean, if you, I
don't even have a list of him, But very rarely
in life have I seen a trade in pro sports
and immediately went, oh, that's awful. If the media summarily
(35:18):
acknowledges that's a whiff. It generally is I've said this
about stars before. Sometimes we hype people up, but when
we really go overboard, like Bryce Harper, Lebron James or
Tiger Woods, it's generally warranted. Right Like it's like like
Christian Polisic, like he's he's our best attacker, he's our
(35:39):
best pure soccer talent ever, and people have been on
him since he was like fourteen years old. It was warranted.
Now we went to little bunkers on Freddie you do,
but moved off that pretty quickly. But the Luca trade
is what in the hell is that? What are we
doing here? And you know, I think most of the
time your instincts, your first up opinion on a move
(36:02):
is WHOA And I said, I would have slept on it.
A D Austin Reeves, three first round picks. I would
have slept on it because he'd missed back to back
camps plays. No defense can be ball centric, doesn't elevate
necessarily everybody. I mean, the other night he had one assist,
and that's playing with Lebron and Austin Reeves, so he
didn't share the ball a lot. But I mean, one
(36:24):
thing is clear Nico Harrison. I heard this yesterday. This
is hard for me to come to terms with.
Speaker 12 (36:33):
I did know that Luca was important to the to
the fan base, I didn't quite know it to what level.
But really the way we looked at it is, you know,
if you're putting on the if you're putting the team
on the floor, that's Kyrie, Clay PJ, Anthony Davis and Lively.
We feel that's a championship caliber team and we would
(36:55):
have been winning at a high level and that would
have quieted some of the outrage now U.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
In fairness, if the team didn't fall apart physically and
won on a nine game winning streak, it would have
helped a little. I think the only thing that can
save Nico Harrison because I do like the Mavericks talent.
They'll be a playoff team next year. I really believe
that if Kyrie Irving comes back and they get a
good draft pick, they'll be a good team. But if
(37:22):
they got Cooper Flag, and we've looked at the odds
for that, I do think if they got Cooper Flag,
eventually ad Kyrie Cooper Flag, I think that would be
the life preserver for Nico Harrison's career. But it is
anytime you see a trade and your first reaction is
(37:42):
the hell, what is that? It's a bad trade, and I, yeah,
it's it's I mean, I remember. I don't even want
to mention this because it seems like I'm picking on him,
but I can remember a quarterback getting drafted really really
high in a Midwestern franchise and just thinking this is
(38:02):
an horrendous draft pick. Based on what I thought and
what several people who I trust in the NFL thought,
no reason to pick on him. Charles Barkley was more
direct last night.
Speaker 13 (38:16):
Man, don't do no more press conferences, Like, I don't
even know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I really don't. Like.
Speaker 13 (38:23):
I got sympathy and love for you, but I have
zero idea what you're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
This war is over, brother, you.
Speaker 13 (38:32):
You go to take you take in the IL. I
hope you keep your job. I hope that team get healthy.
But man, don't do any more interviews.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, and if you do, I've said this about NFL
coaches before, if you do a press conference on Wednesday,
don't wing it. Like the answer to almost anything as
a public figure is politician, football coach, GM, don't wing it,
and I feel I do feel bad. But the craziest
part about this is did nobody for the Mavericks raise
(39:03):
their voice or their hand before this was considered, which
leads me to believe I mean, Jason Kidd didn't know,
Mark Cuban didn't know. And both of those guys, especially Cuban,
Cuban's a talker, he's social, he's verbal. If Mark didn't know,
if Jason Kidd didn't know, well, then you're relying on
(39:23):
like what junior staffers for the biggest move in the
history of the franchise. If I was going to make
a massive career move, I have four or five people.
I'd call all of them much more successful than me,
and I'd say, hey, you tell me you've been in
this business for twenties. I wouldn't go to interns. Hey, Sparky,
what do you think like Jason kiddn't know, Mark Cuban
(39:46):
didn't know. Those are the Jason Kidd's top five point
guard ever, and Cuban's one of the smartest people in
the country in tech and frankly been a good owner.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
If you didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Include those two guys, who were you including in the conversation?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
A lot of people just want to be surrounded by
yes men, Colin. They want to be told they reinforce
your belief.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
We like everybody just agreed with it. If you had
five guys that didn't that liked the NBA but didn't
love it, If you had five year buddies and said, hey,
we're gonna trade Luca for Max Christy Anthony Davis in
the first round. Pick all five of your buddies, even
if they don't love the NBA, would have been that's stupid.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
But we see this in NFL NBA politics. You don't
want to be challenged.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
You want you believe you're smarter than everyone else and
you can make all the decisions. And that's what this
guy believed. Hey, I know a D and Kyrie from
my dealings at Nike.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
We're good. We're gonna win.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Even you're out here saying, hey, with Kyrie next year,
they're really good.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
If Kyrie's back, he ain't gonna be back by Christmas?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Is he bad? Trade? Bad message?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
And by the way, chances to get Cooper Flagg one
point eight percent to get the number one over a
pick that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
So you're saying there's a chance. Okay, he went from
Nike to the front office. Maybe it's just on a
good fit. Maybe it's just that our three, Todd McShay
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