April 14, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin explains where he was Right and where he was Wrong, why Aaron Rodgers taking his time to make a decision was the right move, and more!
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh here we go, Hour two. It is a Monday
live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,
Thanks for making out the part of your.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Day so interesting. I had. I was in Chicago over
the weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You know, they're all fired up about the Bears, Jordan
Shuls joining us, and a lot of people are asking
about Aaron Rodgers, who will be in our right and wrong?
And I think Aaron is being very smart and calculated.
He's gonna wait for the draft and figure out where
the dominoes fall. He's not gonna do a Kirk Cousins
sign with a team and then the team drafts or back.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's like, what's the point.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So I think I actually think Aaron Rodgers, and I
told everybody said might take his the Steelers his fool's gold.
He knows that defensive culture, and so it's it's and
here we are waiting for Aaron Rodgers, which again it's
his last team, So I don't blame him. If it's
your last job, your last contract, take your time, say
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no to a bunch of people.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
All right, we do it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong,
And here we go. Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
The joker Nikola Jokic after Kareem second best center. I've
ever seen his numbers this year, third player ever to
average a triple double. Totally authentic. He didn't work the stats.
He just had his best season ever thirty twelve and ten.
He kept the franchise afloat. I don't know if they
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have another title. But the truth is because optics and
artistic impression matters in the NBA, that he's not wildly
popular because his game sometimes is a little clunky and awkward.
But takeout Kareem. That's the best center in league history.
Where Colin was wrong. I thought the Warriors would find
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themselves with the number two or number three seed, but
Jimmy Butler just didn't provide enough offense, and cominga doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
They lost three of their last five.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
They got eaten alive yesterday in overtime by James Harden
and the Clippers, And I gotta say I was wrong
on this. I thought they'd end up because of their experience,
Butler getting the team to the free throw line, in
their added toughness. But in the end, they've got limitations.
And they don't know what the hell to do with
Kaminga because he doesn't play well with Draymond or Butler
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where they're on the floor.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So why I was wrong on the Warriors where Colin
was right.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The Suns missed the playoffs, Katie makes another poor decision
and Mike Budenholzer gets fired. I appreciated the swing, but
let's be completely frank about this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Kevin Durantz won.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Two playoff series in five years since he left the Warriors,
and he is just too remarkable an NBA player for
that to be true. I hated the move away from
Golden State. Everybody said he just wants to ball, but
he's now just become a really talented bounce around the
league guy, which is beneath him.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The Clippers are in the playoffs. I didn't love the
Kawhi extension. He's been on fire. I didn't like letting
Paul George go. His season was a mess. James Harden
I was done with Boy was he good?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yesterday?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
He played great down the stretch, and this team suddenly
on fire. Kawhi Leonard is playing. He's great. He's a
get a bucket guy and yesterday Warriors couldn't stop him.
Clippers are now in the playoffs. So I didn't like
all their moves. They've got a lot of older guys,
and sometimes older guys just don't treat their regular season
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in the NBA with a great deal of urgency. But
they got a great coach and played with some of
it down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And here we are where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I always said, Ja Morant is going to be Derick Rose,
a small guy that can't shoot that will force him
to score at the rim, and he's going to get
banged up and have injuries. Add in immaturity. He's in
trouble with the league again for some hand grid.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Aide you know, a move.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Which didn't bother me much, but it is what it is,
and Ja Morant has sort of become what we predicted.
Fun to watch but I'm not going to build my
franchise around him as a number one and injuried if
you're under six three a John Wall, Russell Westbrook, a Jamarana,
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Derrick Rose, and you're not a great perimeter shooter, well
you've got to score at the rim?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
What does that mean? Collisions? What does that mean? Injuries?
So it always works where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I think Shador Sanders in a bad quarterraft is good
enough to go two or three. But the odds out
of Vegas, say the Saints with a number nine pick
and the Steelers with a number twenty one pick, that's
where he's going. So now I would agree that he
doesn't have a lot of special he didn't have a
big arm, he's not super mobile. But I do think
there's value in the fact that he's accurate composed. His
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dad was a pro athlete and he did not have
a good old line or a run game at Colorado,
so he has had to initiate offense. And let's be honest,
when you look at how bad the O line was,
the fact that he completed seventy four percent of his
throws and he actually played really well in games against
really good teams with much better players. So I think
he's a little bit better than the NFL people think.
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But he's moving down according to the odds makers. Where
Colin was right, I told you Aaron Rodgers doesn't buy Pittsburgh.
It's fools, gold defensive coach, two needy receivers, bad o line,
lost Najee Harris, and.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Here we are.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Aaron Rodgers is just waiting it out. I think it's
the right move. I believe he wants to go to
San Francisco if the pretty contract doesn't work, or Minnesota.
I think he's right to want that. I think Aaron's
too smart to make an impulsive, dumb decision. And I
don't buy Pittsburgh for Aaron Rodgers. I think at his
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core he's an NFC North or a West Coast guy.
He's got a beautiful place in Malibu, trains in Thousand Oaks.
I don't think he should sign with Pittsburgh. I never
thought he would sign with Pittsburgh, or at least didn't
feel that way with great conviction, And I think he's
making the right move.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Where Colin was raw, I thought.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The Dodgers roster, especially the batting order, maybe the greatest
since the seventy five Cincinnati Reds. They're hitting two twenty five,
they're third in their division. They lost sixteen nothing to
the Cubs Saturday. They lost their third straight series. They're
not hitting at all. Now, this is a little bit
on brand for the Dodgers, who tend to pick up
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steam mid season and beyond. And they did just win
the World Series and there is no real urgency in
one hundred and sixty two game schedule. But they're struggling
in the bullpen, and they are struggling at the plate,
hitting only two twenty five, which is eighteenth. Maybe they
need more torpedo bats. Whatever it is, the Dodgers aren't
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playing or hitting particularly well. Colin Wright Colin wrong on
a Monday and with that Albert Breer Monday Morning quarterback
joining his life. So I mean, I want to touch
on the Aaron Rodgers thing. And I think Erin's a
smart guy. And I think when you're gonna sign your
last deal in any profession, that saying no is powerful
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and making the right decision. Aaron's not desperate. He's got
a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And I said this two.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Weeks ago, you don't want to do a Kirk Cousins
where you rush and then your team drafts a quarterback.
I kind of like what Aaron's doing. I think he
wants to play in Minnesota. Actually, what do you make
of the drama? Do you think the Steelers are upset?
Where do we sit now with Aaron's choice and where
are the Steelers?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, no, I think you're right on on.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Aaron wanted to play in Minnesota, Collin and you know,
the Vikings have been told as much. And so the
Vikings made the decision that they are going to at
the very least give JJ McCarthy the entire spring and
see where he's at at the end of that. There's
obviously some unknown coming back off the knee injury. He
lost four months of development time. They still think very
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highly of him, but you know, like they again are
dealing with a bit of an unknown here. And the
problem for Aaron now is are you banking on that?
Are you banking on a young guy not playing to
his potential over the course of the next two months.
That's not really a plan. Meanwhile, you have the Steelers,
who you know, have been patient to this point. But
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do you get to the start of OTAs in May
and now you're talking about a team that's really got
to get a quarterback in there, because that's not a
rebuilding like that's a.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Team with a bunch of win now players like T. J.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Watt and make A fitz Patrick and DK Metcalf and
Cam Hayward and so on and so forth. So the
timing of this is a little wonky because the Steelers
timetable is completely different than the Vikings timetable. And if
he were to walk away for the Steelers and say
the Steelers trade for Kirk Cousins at the beginning of
May and that option comes off the table, well, he's
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not guaranteed that the Vikings option will be there in
the middle of June. So it's a little bit of
a weird spot to be in. I do think he
wants to play. He's given you know, he's given people.
He gave the Jets as indication, He's give him a
Steelers this indication that he does.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Want to play in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I don't think retirement's completely off the table, but you know,
the way his option is set up right.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Now is with some wonky timing.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, I look at this quarterback class and usually
I'm so fired up for the draft, and I and
I'll watch every like the Masters yesterday, I'll watch it.
I'll watch the whole weekend. And I do think cam
Ward is a pretty obvious number one pick. But tell
me the momentum of it. You know, as we get
to the draft, sometimes you get impulsive owners, impulsive general managers.
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I could see Cleveland, I said this, whenever you inherit
or get a bad quarterback deal like a Russell Wilson
and Denver or Deshaun Watson, the way out of it
is draft a quarterback and hit on him, or trade
down and just accumulate a bunch of picks and hit
on him so you have cheap labor for four to
five years. I could see Cleveland just literally trading down,
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getting twelve draft picks and saying, our only way out
of this, we'll get Kyle.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
McCord in the second round. We got to get cheap.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I mean, Cleveland to me is the team I can
see taking a huge trade down. Swing your thoughts on that,
is there a team that that scenario wills for?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So here's the problem.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And I think this is sort of a logistical issue
when it comes to trading around in the top of
the first round of this draft is you have two
guys that are seen as far above the rest of
the class when we're talking about non quarterbacks in Travis
Hunter and Abdul Carter. After that, I mean there are
twelve fifteen players that a lot of teams see is
virtually the same, and all of those guys might have
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been the fifteen, sixteen, seventeenth pick in last year's draft.
So if you're a Cleveland you're looking at it and
you're saying, well, if we trade down to say five
or six or seven, that's the equivalent of trading down
to fifteen or twenty last year. Well, then you're gonna
want that sort of value coming back. And if you're
going to pay that premium for a non quarterback, like
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do you view Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter, worthech to
come up for. So I just think the logistics of
the way the class sets up is going to make
it difficult to move around in the top of the
first round. I don't think Cleveland's going to take a quarterbacks.
And overall, my guest would be right now Travis Hunter.
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If not, I'm almost certain it would be Abdul Carter
and then they'll double back in the quarterback position in
the second or third round. I think they'd be open
to the idea moving back, but I think it would
take a lot for another team to come up from
even the bottom of the top ten.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And you know, if that team's looking at.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Coming out for Carter Hunter, I don't know that they
would pay a quarterback premium to come up and do that.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So Nico Iamliava, quarterback at Tennessee, says, Hey, that guy
at Duke that just transferred from Tulane, he's making four million.
I want four million to play for Tennessee. And so
now they'll probably be a bidding war whether he's worth
it or not. Tennessee drives one hundred and forty nine
million dollars in revenue last year. There's about six programs.
Ohio State's one of them, Tennessee, Georgia. They just drive
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massive numbers. Texas Football and I listen, I blame the NCAA,
not the kid. The reason that UFC has grown in
boxing has largely died is let's be honest, it's the
people at the top. It's Dana White and no governing
body that you could depend on in boxing, and so
I think this is on the NCAA. They've been playing
catch up with the NIL There's not enough guardrails and
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guidelines and rules. I don't blame the kid, but when
you talk to people about this and he manned up
a buck guy who knows, I mean, he's going to
have a market would this Does this hurt him in
the eyes of the NFL?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I would say yes, and it's not like any sort
of death nail. But I think from a developmental standpoint,
you know, you do question what.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
This is going to look like.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
He's already through spring practice, so he's going to be
jumping on a moving train with another team. He was
a good, not great player at Tennessee last year. He's
got talent, yes, but like, does that mean he's going
to be a fifth or sixth round pick or a
fifth or sixth pick in the draft. I think a
lot of that is still to be determined because he
is so young and he doesn't have a lot of experience.
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Then of course there's the bigger picture question here, which
is if this guy gets to a point three years
into his career, four years into his career where he's
not happy with his contract, how quickly does he start
making noise about that? Because this isn't the first time
we've heard about this sort of stuff from Nico. It
actually happened the first time when he was in high school.
How are you going to manage the people around him?
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Those would be questions for any player, and those questions
are asked at a higher level when you're talking about
the guy who's supposed to be the tone setter for
your entire organization at quarterbacks. So yeah, I mean, I
think this does affect the way that the NFL will
look at Nico. Obviously, a lot's going to ride on
however he plays at UCLA or wherever else he winds up,
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and a big part of it is because he is
a quarterback, and because quarterbacks are held to a higher standard.
So I think there's a whole set of new questions
that NFL teams would have for Nico that.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
They didn't have a week ago.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Now, you know that said, The good news is he
still has one, two, three more seasons to clean all
of that up. You'll have a full draft process to
take care of it whenever he comes out, you know.
But certainly it just feels to me like the waters
have gotten a little bit more murky on what this
kid would be as an NFL prospect.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'll be honest, I watched a lot of Tennessee football games.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I like him. I think he's super talented.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I think he I think you know, like he's like
it's like watching a young NBA prospect where you're alive.
He didn't have his jumper down, but boy, there's a
lot there.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Well, here's a good example. This is what cam Ward
was last year.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Like, there were a lot of these things going on
with cam Ward with his transfer from Washington State to
Miami last year, and there were a lot of people
around him and a lot of questions with that right
he played so well it didn't matter. Like if he
had come out last year, he probably would have been
a fifth or sixth round pick. You saw the flashes
of what he wound up becoming at Miami, but they
were few and far between. He got around better teammates
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and a better program, and all of a sudden he
became way more consistent with what he was doing. And
now that NFL teams have had the chance to sit
down with him and talk with him, they become more
comfortable with them.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Obviously, the Titans.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Are pretty comfortable with where they're at potentially taking him
first overall, so you can come out of this and
look great. But it takes handling the situation the way
Cam Moore did, and whether or not Dico can do
that remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Of all the movement, and you know, social media has
created some cryptic posts and their TJ. Watt had a
little bit of one. And I don't think this is
crazy to say this. I have suggested this is that
I think the Kansas City and Rams model is kind
of the way to do it, which is, pay for
your offense, draft your defense. You can pay for a
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great pass rusher a Miles Garrett or maybe a TJ.
Watt or a Chris Jones, but mostly keep your defense
young and twitchy. That side of the ball gets hurt more.
Keep them young and athletic. Pay for your quarterback, left tackle,
star receiver, center. You know Bears doing this, by the way,
they paid some money for offense, and I think it
will pay dividends.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
The Steeler Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Cincinnati, like, that's the way to me. Is the way
to do it is, let just draft defense. When you
see the little cryptic TJ. Watt social media post. Generally
that stuff has legs. I'm sorry, but there is a
smoke fire thing. The w family isn't going to just
make stuff up to tweet their employer.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
What did you make of that?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Well, one thing I've learned is to never not pay
attention to this, right because, I mean, these guys are
these guys are so cognizant of it. I mean, at
this point, most of the guys in the NFL grew
up with it, right Like, grew up with social media
in a way that that you and I didn't, Colin,
and so they're very savvy and have an understanding that
everything they say and do is going to have a reaction,
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especially somebody who's been in the NFL for as long
as TJ.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Watt has.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
So I think you'd be dumb not to look at
this and think that this isn't some kind of message
that he's trying to send to the Steelers that said,
when you flip over you open your calendar book, what
does it say? It says April? Right like, So they've
still got a lot of time to work this out. Obviously.
I think it's it's like a little bit of a
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window into where the Steelers are. And I think it's
part of why Aaron Rodgers does match up well with
the rest of the makeup of the roster and much
better than he did with the Giants. And you and
I have talked about this before. The Giants were basically
asking Aaron Rodgers to do what the Jets asked him
to do, which was lift a group of young players
up and take a group of young players to the
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next level. Whereas the Steelers, he's got a bunch of
players who are as close to peers as you're going
to get for Aaron Rodgers in the NFL, and guys
like Watt and Fitzpatrick and Hayward and Metcalf, guys who
are on their third contracts, are in their thirties. And again,
like this is sort of a window into where the
Steelers are the way the Wats situations playing out, where
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you know, you've got a lot of guys that are
in the last bite of the apple or are are
looking to win right now, and so you know, the
Steelers obviously have a lot to work through here. I'd
assume the T. J. Watt thing gets taken care of
in time. This is in an early warning shot that
things might not be in a great place, but they've
got a lot of time to work that out, and
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I think getting some clarity at the quarterback position will
probably help Walk get a little bit more comfortable with
signing up for some more in Pittsburgh as well.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
All Right, Albert breern a Monday, appreciate you stopping by
my man.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
All right, thanks Collins.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, I think the Tennessee kids really talented. I just
think the reality is he's got some leverage. And again,
when you're at these Ohio states and Tennessee in the
school makes one hundred and fifty million, the coach is
making twelve, got coordinators making a million and a half
on the defensive side, and he's like, I'm the quarterback.
The duke's got a guy from Tulane making four. I
think he's a really talented kid. He's again, he's young.
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He's just it's I mean, very few NBA prospects come
into the league as great shot great athletes and great shooters.
Very few guys coming to the NFL refined like they've
got talent. But you know, it's just it's it's I mean,
go look at Brady's growth or Joe Montana's growth or
it's just the reality of it. When I watch Nico play,
I'm like that kid. I mean, he sees the field.
We when we show even those tapes we show, he
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can see the whole field. He's got a nice arm,
he's got a good touch. He was just against good team.
This defense Tennessee was sort of led by its coaching
and its defense, not its offense.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
But that's because he's the kid.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
But if you watch him play, he moves well, got
great size, you know, he's got a hip of an arm.
He's just really inconsistent. But again, this was a team
that was built on defense. So but this idea that, oh,
he doesn't deserve it, What does deserve mean?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Deserve it? I mean I'm in front of the camera.
What do I deserve? What a my producers deserve? I
don't even know what that. I don't know what ern.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Or deserve mean.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He's a quarterback who led his team to the playoff
in an unbelievable football conference as a kid with very
you know, little big game college experience, and he was
inconsistent when I watched him. But would you be shocked
if he came back and lit it up and did
a cam Ward And next year we're talking about this
kid at another program, if he went to an Ohio
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State or you know, wherever he goes, and all of
a sudden, you look up and you're I mean, if
Kyle McCord can leave Ohio State and lead NCUBA football
in passing yards, this kid can play.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
You can say what you want.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You don't have to love the timing, and you don't
have to love his dad's advice.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I totally get that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
But until the NC double A, you know, bargains this
out and figures it out and puts in rules and guidelines,
You're going to see more of this stuff. Don't blame
the kid, what's the saying, don't hate the player, hate
the game, or you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Theayte the game.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, so the game by the NC double A is
an inept leadership group that has been playing catch up
with a transfer portal in the NIL. And remember ten
years ago, one of the biggest debates in sports was
is Pete Rose should he ever get into the Hall
of Fame? And should you pay college football players? Those
are the two big yes and yes yes, And I
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mean when I was doing this fifteen years ago. If
it was a slow day, that got the phones going.
So the NCUBA had fifteen years to figure this out.
Then California passes legislation. Then here comes the avalanche, and
the NCUBAA has been playing catch up ever since. So
you can tell me who he is. You don't have
to love his timing. But I'd rather do this in
April than August. I mean, it's Tennessee. They'll go spend
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two and a half million on somebody. And I don't
blame Tennessee for moving off the kid, but I saw,
well the kids overrated, the kids really talented. I mean,
arch Manning could go number one right now. I don't
even know if Ferch Manning's good.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He backed up Quinn Yours, who I think's average. So
I mean, who knows who's good. They're all kids.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It's not the player, it's not the program. It's the system. Yes,
that is broken and really will be broken until they
have a health CBA, like the NFL.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Tennessee is the southern Ohio state. They'll figure it out.
It's a football program with a lot of drama and
a lot of cash and a lot of capital. They'll
figure it out. But you know, I just saw a
lot of people crushing the kid and his dad. Well,
of course kid listens to his dad. And this is
the you.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Know, this is the new era.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
If I, for instance, what if I worked in a
world where I didn't have a contract with Fox and
I was just hey, I saw the other guy sign
for that. I'm not showing up for tomorrow's show. I
don't think I would do that. But a system, this
is why the NFL's got everything collectively bargained. Yes, so
you have all these guard rails college forts.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I mean, it really is the first official hold out
in college.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's history.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
And for it to happen at a signature program with
a signature quarterback who was a Blue Chipper, that's why
we're talking about it.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Remember Rick Patino, Tomo and John Calipari when they lost
in the tournament, Yeah, they were literally asked, well, the
portal open today. Cali Paris didn't even know. He started laughing.
He's like, Izzo didn't care, and Cali Parti didn't know.
And Rick Patino was infuriated. So it's like, you got
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to get this stuff right before we just blame coaches
and players.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The system.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I mean, you see countries collapse, it's not because of
the people, it's because of usually allows a government inefficiency upstairs.
That's that's why the Cleveland Browns aren't the Eagles. You
can blame the coaches and the players, blame the owner.
Why are the Rams so well running? Arizona's not. I mean,
I love McVeigh, but if you put McVay in Arizona,
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he wouldn't be Sean McVay.
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Speaker 1 (25:49):
So apparently there was just an earthquake just north of
San Diego. I didn't feel it, but in California you
got these.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I felt it, You did? I did? Yeah? Was it
during the show?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It was during the interne you and I looked at
you and you were locked in, and I thought, either
he feels it and he's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Acknowledge it, or he's he just does it.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I'll tell you what though, we were just discussing it
was a little bit of a role action, which to
me felt unsafe.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But I was just told by our man here that
it's actually more safe to be where we are right now.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well, the building we are currently rolls so the way
I mean, that's what you want. It's kind of earthquake proved.
This was like a five point two, which is a
pretty substantial earthquake. But I was so fixated on draft
talk with Albert Breer as the world was shaking.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, you were moving by the way your mike was moving,
but you weren't.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
You were you were locked in.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Impressive, that's so weird.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Jordan with the news, no, no turn on the news.
This is the headline news. I call him.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
The Cowboys started their off season work today and edge
Micah Parsons still hasn't been extended. Dak Prescott was said
about Miah's contract and joke with the media saying that
he doesn't have the full answer why Cowboys negotiations take
so long, adding that all of his contracts would have
been done a lot sooner if he did now. Colin
I thought Jerry had a very telling quote at the
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research owner's meetings. He said quote, I don't know why
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Deal with the player.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Also basically said he doesn't know who David Mouli get
to his Parsons' agents. This is why Colin the Cowboys
have not been relevant since the nineteen nineties. This is
not Emmett Smith. You don't talk and deal with the
player like you did three decades ago. The agent has
been empowered in a way that is significantly different than
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the nineteen nineties with Aikman and MN and Irvin. And
as a result of that, in my opinion, Jerry's still
thinking archaically that the right way to handle a Michaeh
Parsons extension is basically to get Mike to acquiesce one
on one. That's exactly the problem that we're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, I think it's you know, it's I'm reaching a
really interesting time, Like I how do you rebuild in
the NFL. So let's say I run the Cowboys and
I look at the Lions roster, the Rams roster, or
the Eagles roster just in the NFC, and I go, I'm.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Not really there.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And I look at Jayden Daniels and I think, oh,
I don't have that either. So to me, one of
the ways you get good very quickly in this league
is hitting on multiple inexpensive draft picks. And I like
Micah Parsons a lot. I think he's a really good player.
He's not TJ.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I don't think he's Aiden Hutchison. I don't think he's
Miles Garrett. I don't think he's Max Crosby. Sometimes no,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Okay, So you feel like he's a great player or
a very good player, but he's not in the elite.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I am willing to pay a great player great money.
Ceedee lamb pay him like a one. I would not
pay Dag the money. And although I like Micah and
there's probably a team out there that really needs it's
an edge rusher. He plays a position of need for
many teams.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
How can Dallas?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I mean, they're giving away draft picks, Mingo Trey Lance.
They're giving away draft picks. How in the world do
you not consider getting in this draft? Especially Micah would
be the number one pick arguably in this draft. Go
get a number, Go get a second first round pick.
You could get a first, to a third and maybe
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a fifth for Micah Parsons.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I would do it today.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I think Micah Parsons you mentioned CD and Dak. I
think he's the young face of the franchise. He's cool,
he he just gets it from the media standpoint. Plus
you have the production on the field. I think pay
the guy, take care of your own. How many how
many great pass rushers can you really get? It's very
hard and I think he is elite.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, I think every team in this league has won.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
No, not every teams has a truly elite pass rusher.
Even if you don't think he's or Bosa, he's still
a top seven or eight guy. He's a true difference maker.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I think, yeah. I mean, maybe I'm overstated. I feel
like every good team in this league has a pass
run every.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Most really good teams have a great pass rusher.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
But Dallas is Dallas a playoff team this year, and I.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Don't think they're particularly close. Coaching is thirty to forty
percent of the equation in this league.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
You're not a price shot him.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
There's an argument he's a bottom three coach. Oh sure, sure,
head coach.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, stay in the NFC. The Bears were pretty much
a disaster by week six.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Caleb Williams rookie year was rough.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
As a result, he sat with Esquire magazine and said, quote,
he was so beat up mentally, physically and spiritually that
there were times he would go home and drop a
few tiers.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
What do you think, Yeah, yeah, I think it's really frustrating.
And I think the greatest gift any young quarterback can
get is their guru, and I think Jayden Daniels got
it with Cliff Kingsbury. Cliff Kingsbury, we reported it first
on this show, pounded the table two months out to
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draft this kid.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I know this style.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I think Ben Johnson is going to save Caleb's career.
That sounds dramatic to say save his career, but if
you go back to last year, the old line got worse,
the running game dried up, his inconsistency was magnified week
to week. I think if he had if eber Flus
wouldn't have been let go, or they picked a wrong coach,
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a defensive coach, you were looking at a wasted career.
I think he's going to be really special. And I
think it's like anybody in any job. I don't care
if you're a young lawyer or a young quarterback, or you know,
a city council member having a mentor or a guiding light.
Chicago's not a city that gets off and.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
So they're not quarterbacks. I'll tell you. You mentioned Ben Johnson.
He will take Caleb to the next level and elevate
him and maximize him in a way that Waldron never
would have.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Ibra flu certainly never would have.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
The issue that Chicago has had wasn't just the coaching,
it was the offensive line. Last year, they couldn't quite
figure out how to get Caleb consistent. He lost ten
games last year. That's more than he lost at Ou
and sc combined. This is a guy who's very young,
very talented, and has been for the first year of
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his NFL career without a real plan. You bring it
Ben Johnson, who got Jared Goff and turned him into
one of the I would say best six or seven
quarterbacks in football. He's going to take Caleb Williams to
the next level. I don't My question would be does
it happen right away? How long does it take? Considering
that they do have some pretty good weapons.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I said this with j Mack before the vacation. Will
know by October first if he can play. If you
looked at Jared Goff the second week under McVeigh, we
thought he was a bust. You go, I mean, just go.
When you get the coach right. Brought perty second time
he started, You're like, oh, yeah, that works. That's good
enough to be a franchise quarterback. Joe Burrow second start.
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I don't think it takes long. I mean Jayden Daniels,
he got better as the season progressed, but like the
second or third start, we were all like, dude, he's accurate.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Dan quainn Cliff Kingsbury. That's compared to Matty e Verflus
and Shane Waldron. That's the difference.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
We talked a lot about Rory McElroy. He's the Masters winner,
but he's the first one to have four double bowlgies
over four rounds. Rory had some up and down moments. Yesterday,
Bertie the first playoff Folds to complete his career Grand Slam.
He's the sixth golfer to reach that feat. Listen to
bryceon Deshambo talk about how locked in Rory was during
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the final rounds.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
In that how's he doing?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yay, no idea and it didn't talk to me once
all day, but he was just like hey, just being focused.
I guess I thought a couple things stood out. One
you mentioned how the gallery or whatever, what do they
call it the Masters the Patriot. Yeah, they will tell you.
They told us that Rory was the guy. Now, whether
or not he was gonna win, we didn't know. But
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the fact that he basically chokes away eighteen, goes to
a playoff.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And then wins it, I think adds.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
To his legacy. So he gets the career Grand Slam,
he gets the Green jacket. Well, but in the manner
of which he did it well. Yeah, I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I was talking about this this morning with the team
and I said, put yourself in Rory's shoes. Yeah, so
you're you're coupled with Bryson to Shamba, who's this big, alpha,
kind of cocky guy who's much more likable today than
three years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But he is.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, and Bryson he came out gladiator style getting high fives.
And also Ror is a fast player, faster player on
de Shambo's not surgery though, but he's a slower player.
So it's one of these things where I could see
Rory saying, you know, this guy's cocky. This guy can
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be a bit obnoxious if you look at his history
with Brooks Koepka. I'm not gonna engage this guy. I'm
gonna be respectful, shake his hand, and then I'm Dean.
I'm gonna deal with myself and my emotions. I've struggled here.
I can see Rory saying I'm not gonna let him
get in my head, and maybe by me ignoring him,
maybe that gets in his head. Because you can watch
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Deshambo Deshambo unraveled yesterday. Could I make the argument that
Deshambo came into Sunday thinking I'm gonna get in Rory's
head a little bit, and by the fourth to fifth hole,
Rory ignoring him maybe got into Bryson's head a little
bit because his game unraveled. The only thing that saved
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him the first three days was he was great on
the greens. Those greens were fast, or was fast Augusta.
But he unraveled and Rory buckled but didn't unravel.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So I'm going to defend Rory on Listen.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
If you're a lawyer, it's the biggest case of your career,
and you go into the final day of it closing arguments,
and you know the opposing attorney is trying to get
in your head. The rule of thumb is I pay
attention to your case don't get caught up in that stuff.
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So Rory came in, It's like bro fist bump, handshake.
I'm in my own world here.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Two quick takeaways. Justin Rose super classy. He's now lost,
He's now been the runner up three times, has lost
two playoffs. Really classy by him. And then also Colin,
we both have daughters. What I heard from Rory yesterday
basically telling his daughter never give up on your dreams.
That was an emotional moment for me, and I thought
it was really cool that he showed the vulnerability as
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an athlete after this great moment to the world in
front of his daughter.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That was pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Remember also Augusta doesn't have there's no cell phones out there.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
No, it's old school.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
It's old school, and because of that, the patrons are
so engaged. So the truth is between the difficulty of
the course the pressurized environment of Augusta on Sunday, the
patrons are more engaged.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I get see Rory being like I'm soaking this up.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, like I'm always going to defend a legend in
his biggest moment ever, doubling on his concentration, and he
did it.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Finally, Colin Tenoroa McMillan out of Arizona has been mocked
in the first round by many draft analysts.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I reported earlier this morning.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
That before a Wildcat has visited the Patriots, Chargers, Seahawks, Browns, Raiders, Panthers, Cowboys,
and Saints, and he has three more lined up now
and talking to multiple teams, I can tell you that McMillan,
or as the kids call it, T mac, the other
t mac. He has drawn comparisons to T Higgins, to
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Mike Evans sixty four grand four four eight five five.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
The T Higgins stuff feels right.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
The only question mark for him to me is is
he going to be great? I think the floor is
he's really good. Some of these teams really jumped out
to me, specifically the Chargers and Cowboys. Imagine him teed
up with.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I will tell you this, Seattle likes him a lot.
I'll just leave it at that, Seattle likes him a lot.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
So could T mac be the essentially replacement to DK Metcalf?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Pair him up with JSI, if I had to make
a prediction on my draft, he goes to the Seaton.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Okay, I like it.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Jordan with a news Well that's the news.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
And thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
And shaking a little quaking back in La.
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Speaker 4 (39:02):
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Speaker 2 (39:15):
Sunday at five it's San Antonio versus DC. It's all
this weekend are Fox. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Bryceon Neshambo, somebody that I thought was super obnoxious when
he came into the sport where he brag about seventeen
egg omelets and thirteen slices of bacon and twelve power shakes.
He's got his own YouTube stuff now. He's very popular,
made a lot of money on Live and the Masters
obviously they weren't. They weren't showing much of him for
the first couple of days, and then they were forced
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in the final round. You know, they've got to show him.
He's coupled with Rory McElroy. But you know, you can't
expect folks. You can't expect guys to be best friends.
They're all trying to get the same Remember, Rory is
a tour guy and Bryson is a live guy, so
right there, and Rory's been an outspoken to her advocate
like Tiger Woods. You can't expect these guys to be buddies.
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They're not gonna be Who cares Michael Jordan didn't love
the Pistons or Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Get over it.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
This idea that everybody's got to be friends. Like I
don't like that about the NBA. I like when there
used to be like this tribal support system in Detroit,
and then with the Lakers, and then with the Bulls
and then with the Celtics, So you got the the
live thing is disconnecting people. Also, you know Brooks Koepka,
he was worn out by Bryson and Shamble like he
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was just like eye rolling stage.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I think Bryson's did a good.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Job to rehab his image, but he's still he's got
a little pro wrestler and then too and Rory's like,
I got no I want. You know, Rory's also European
and there I mean, he's a little more stoic a
little more laid back, a little more chill. I mean,
if you ask Rory what matters to him, it could
be the writer Cup. I mean, these are very proud
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men who are great, and the American guys got alpha
Gilmart's Yeah, and still the idea that they're just going
to be buddies. It's like no, I mean, just European
men and American men are different.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
They're just different. It's just a different kind of vibe.
Rory said that one of his big things left to
do is win another road Ryder Cup. Yeah, that matters
to him.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Oh, it matters to European golfers a lot, not that
it doesn't matter here, but it's a big you know, Americans,
the big target. This is where outside of the British Open,
this is where the tournaments are. And you know, it's
like basketball players. You can play in Europe for Croatia,
but you want to make the association, you want to
play here. So I kind of like the fact that
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in the gallery without the phones is so engaged in
Augusta that you're that's kind of your partner. I mean,
you're really connecting with fans like no other tournament on
the planet. I just thought it was four hours, five
hours of perfect TV.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh here we go, Hour two. It is a Monday
live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,
Thanks for making out the part of your.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Day so interesting. I had. I was in Chicago over
the weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You know, they're all fired up about the Bears, Jordan
Shuls joining us, and a lot of people are asking
about Aaron Rodgers, who will be in our right and wrong?
And I think Aaron is being very smart and calculated.
He's gonna wait for the draft and figure out where
the dominoes fall. He's not gonna do a Kirk Cousins
sign with a team and then the team drafts or back.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's like, what's the point.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So I think I actually think Aaron Rodgers, and I
told everybody said might take his the Steelers his fool's gold.
He knows that defensive culture, and so it's it's and
here we are waiting for Aaron Rodgers, which again it's
his last team, So I don't blame him. If it's
your last job, your last contract, take your time, say
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no to a bunch of people.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
All right, we do it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong,
And here we go. Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
The joker Nikola Jokic after Kareem second best center. I've
ever seen his numbers this year, third player ever to
average a triple double. Totally authentic. He didn't work the stats.
He just had his best season ever thirty twelve and ten.
He kept the franchise afloat. I don't know if they
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have another title. But the truth is because optics and
artistic impression matters in the NBA, that he's not wildly
popular because his game sometimes is a little clunky and awkward.
But takeout Kareem. That's the best center in league history.
Where Colin was wrong. I thought the Warriors would find
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themselves with the number two or number three seed, but
Jimmy Butler just didn't provide enough offense, and cominga doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
They lost three of their last five.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
They got eaten alive yesterday in overtime by James Harden
and the Clippers, And I gotta say I was wrong
on this. I thought they'd end up because of their experience,
Butler getting the team to the free throw line, in
their added toughness. But in the end, they've got limitations.
And they don't know what the hell to do with
Kaminga because he doesn't play well with Draymond or Butler
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where they're on the floor.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So why I was wrong on the Warriors where Colin
was right.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The Suns missed the playoffs, Katie makes another poor decision
and Mike Budenholzer gets fired. I appreciated the swing, but
let's be completely frank about this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Kevin Durantz won.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Two playoff series in five years since he left the Warriors,
and he is just too remarkable an NBA player for
that to be true. I hated the move away from
Golden State. Everybody said he just wants to ball, but
he's now just become a really talented bounce around the
league guy, which is beneath him.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The Clippers are in the playoffs. I didn't love the
Kawhi extension. He's been on fire. I didn't like letting
Paul George go. His season was a mess. James Harden
I was done with Boy was he good?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yesterday?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
He played great down the stretch, and this team suddenly
on fire. Kawhi Leonard is playing. He's great. He's a
get a bucket guy and yesterday Warriors couldn't stop him.
Clippers are now in the playoffs. So I didn't like
all their moves. They've got a lot of older guys,
and sometimes older guys just don't treat their regular season
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in the NBA with a great deal of urgency. But
they got a great coach and played with some of
it down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And here we are where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I always said, Ja Morant is going to be Derick Rose,
a small guy that can't shoot that will force him
to score at the rim, and he's going to get
banged up and have injuries. Add in immaturity. He's in
trouble with the league again for some hand grid.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Aide you know, a move.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Which didn't bother me much, but it is what it is,
and Ja Morant has sort of become what we predicted.
Fun to watch but I'm not going to build my
franchise around him as a number one and injuried if
you're under six three a John Wall, Russell Westbrook, a Jamarana,
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Derrick Rose, and you're not a great perimeter shooter, well
you've got to score at the rim?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
What does that mean? Collisions? What does that mean? Injuries?
So it always works where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I think Shador Sanders in a bad quarterraft is good
enough to go two or three. But the odds out
of Vegas, say the Saints with a number nine pick
and the Steelers with a number twenty one pick, that's
where he's going. So now I would agree that he
doesn't have a lot of special he didn't have a
big arm, he's not super mobile. But I do think
there's value in the fact that he's accurate composed. His
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dad was a pro athlete and he did not have
a good old line or a run game at Colorado,
so he has had to initiate offense. And let's be honest,
when you look at how bad the O line was,
the fact that he completed seventy four percent of his
throws and he actually played really well in games against
really good teams with much better players. So I think
he's a little bit better than the NFL people think.
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But he's moving down according to the odds makers. Where
Colin was right, I told you Aaron Rodgers doesn't buy Pittsburgh.
It's fools, gold defensive coach, two needy receivers, bad o line,
lost Najee Harris, and.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Here we are.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Aaron Rodgers is just waiting it out. I think it's
the right move. I believe he wants to go to
San Francisco if the pretty contract doesn't work, or Minnesota.
I think he's right to want that. I think Aaron's
too smart to make an impulsive, dumb decision. And I
don't buy Pittsburgh for Aaron Rodgers. I think at his
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core he's an NFC North or a West Coast guy.
He's got a beautiful place in Malibu, trains in Thousand Oaks.
I don't think he should sign with Pittsburgh. I never
thought he would sign with Pittsburgh, or at least didn't
feel that way with great conviction, And I think he's
making the right move.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Where Colin was raw, I thought.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The Dodgers roster, especially the batting order, maybe the greatest
since the seventy five Cincinnati Reds. They're hitting two twenty five,
they're third in their division. They lost sixteen nothing to
the Cubs Saturday. They lost their third straight series. They're
not hitting at all. Now, this is a little bit
on brand for the Dodgers, who tend to pick up
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steam mid season and beyond. And they did just win
the World Series and there is no real urgency in
one hundred and sixty two game schedule. But they're struggling
in the bullpen, and they are struggling at the plate,
hitting only two twenty five, which is eighteenth. Maybe they
need more torpedo bats. Whatever it is, the Dodgers aren't
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playing or hitting particularly well. Colin Wright Colin wrong on
a Monday and with that Albert Breer Monday Morning quarterback
joining his life. So I mean, I want to touch
on the Aaron Rodgers thing. And I think Erin's a
smart guy. And I think when you're gonna sign your
last deal in any profession, that saying no is powerful
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and making the right decision. Aaron's not desperate. He's got
a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And I said this two.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Weeks ago, you don't want to do a Kirk Cousins
where you rush and then your team drafts a quarterback.
I kind of like what Aaron's doing. I think he
wants to play in Minnesota. Actually, what do you make
of the drama? Do you think the Steelers are upset?
Where do we sit now with Aaron's choice and where
are the Steelers?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, no, I think you're right on on.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Aaron wanted to play in Minnesota, Collin and you know,
the Vikings have been told as much. And so the
Vikings made the decision that they are going to at
the very least give JJ McCarthy the entire spring and
see where he's at at the end of that. There's
obviously some unknown coming back off the knee injury. He
lost four months of development time. They still think very
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highly of him, but you know, like they again are
dealing with a bit of an unknown here. And the
problem for Aaron now is are you banking on that?
Are you banking on a young guy not playing to
his potential over the course of the next two months.
That's not really a plan. Meanwhile, you have the Steelers,
who you know, have been patient to this point. But
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do you get to the start of OTAs in May
and now you're talking about a team that's really got
to get a quarterback in there, because that's not a
rebuilding like that's a.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Team with a bunch of win now players like T. J.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Watt and make A fitz Patrick and DK Metcalf and
Cam Hayward and so on and so forth. So the
timing of this is a little wonky because the Steelers
timetable is completely different than the Vikings timetable. And if
he were to walk away for the Steelers and say
the Steelers trade for Kirk Cousins at the beginning of
May and that option comes off the table, well, he's
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not guaranteed that the Vikings option will be there in
the middle of June. So it's a little bit of
a weird spot to be in. I do think he
wants to play. He's given you know, he's given people.
He gave the Jets as indication, He's give him a
Steelers this indication that he does.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Want to play in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I don't think retirement's completely off the table, but you know,
the way his option is set up right.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Now is with some wonky timing.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, I look at this quarterback class and usually
I'm so fired up for the draft, and I and
I'll watch every like the Masters yesterday, I'll watch it.
I'll watch the whole weekend. And I do think cam
Ward is a pretty obvious number one pick. But tell
me the momentum of it. You know, as we get
to the draft, sometimes you get impulsive owners, impulsive general managers.
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I could see Cleveland, I said this, whenever you inherit
or get a bad quarterback deal like a Russell Wilson
and Denver or Deshaun Watson, the way out of it
is draft a quarterback and hit on him, or trade
down and just accumulate a bunch of picks and hit
on him so you have cheap labor for four to
five years. I could see Cleveland just literally trading down,
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getting twelve draft picks and saying, our only way out
of this, we'll get Kyle.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
McCord in the second round. We got to get cheap.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I mean, Cleveland to me is the team I can
see taking a huge trade down. Swing your thoughts on that,
is there a team that that scenario wills for?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So here's the problem.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And I think this is sort of a logistical issue
when it comes to trading around in the top of
the first round of this draft is you have two
guys that are seen as far above the rest of
the class when we're talking about non quarterbacks in Travis
Hunter and Abdul Carter. After that, I mean there are
twelve fifteen players that a lot of teams see is
virtually the same, and all of those guys might have
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been the fifteen, sixteen, seventeenth pick in last year's draft.
So if you're a Cleveland you're looking at it and
you're saying, well, if we trade down to say five
or six or seven, that's the equivalent of trading down
to fifteen or twenty last year. Well, then you're gonna
want that sort of value coming back. And if you're
going to pay that premium for a non quarterback, like
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do you view Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter, worthech to
come up for. So I just think the logistics of
the way the class sets up is going to make
it difficult to move around in the top of the
first round. I don't think Cleveland's going to take a quarterbacks.
And overall, my guest would be right now Travis Hunter.
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If not, I'm almost certain it would be Abdul Carter
and then they'll double back in the quarterback position in
the second or third round. I think they'd be open
to the idea moving back, but I think it would
take a lot for another team to come up from
even the bottom of the top ten.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And you know, if that team's looking at.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Coming out for Carter Hunter, I don't know that they
would pay a quarterback premium to come up and do that.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So Nico Iamliava, quarterback at Tennessee, says, Hey, that guy
at Duke that just transferred from Tulane, he's making four million.
I want four million to play for Tennessee. And so
now they'll probably be a bidding war whether he's worth
it or not. Tennessee drives one hundred and forty nine
million dollars in revenue last year. There's about six programs.
Ohio State's one of them, Tennessee, Georgia. They just drive
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massive numbers. Texas Football and I listen, I blame the NCAA,
not the kid. The reason that UFC has grown in
boxing has largely died is let's be honest, it's the
people at the top. It's Dana White and no governing
body that you could depend on in boxing, and so
I think this is on the NCAA. They've been playing
catch up with the NIL There's not enough guardrails and
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guidelines and rules. I don't blame the kid, but when
you talk to people about this and he manned up
a buck guy who knows, I mean, he's going to
have a market would this Does this hurt him in
the eyes of the NFL?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I would say yes, and it's not like any sort
of death nail. But I think from a developmental standpoint,
you know, you do question what.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
This is going to look like.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
He's already through spring practice, so he's going to be
jumping on a moving train with another team. He was
a good, not great player at Tennessee last year. He's
got talent, yes, but like, does that mean he's going
to be a fifth or sixth round pick or a
fifth or sixth pick in the draft. I think a
lot of that is still to be determined because he
is so young and he doesn't have a lot of experience.
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Then of course there's the bigger picture question here, which
is if this guy gets to a point three years
into his career, four years into his career where he's
not happy with his contract, how quickly does he start
making noise about that? Because this isn't the first time
we've heard about this sort of stuff from Nico. It
actually happened the first time when he was in high school.
How are you going to manage the people around him?
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Those would be questions for any player, and those questions
are asked at a higher level when you're talking about
the guy who's supposed to be the tone setter for
your entire organization at quarterbacks. So yeah, I mean, I
think this does affect the way that the NFL will
look at Nico. Obviously, a lot's going to ride on
however he plays at UCLA or wherever else he winds up,
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and a big part of it is because he is
a quarterback, and because quarterbacks are held to a higher standard.
So I think there's a whole set of new questions
that NFL teams would have for Nico that.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
They didn't have a week ago.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Now, you know that said, The good news is he
still has one, two, three more seasons to clean all
of that up. You'll have a full draft process to
take care of it whenever he comes out, you know.
But certainly it just feels to me like the waters
have gotten a little bit more murky on what this
kid would be as an NFL prospect.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'll be honest, I watched a lot of Tennessee football games.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I like him. I think he's super talented.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I think he I think you know, like he's like
it's like watching a young NBA prospect where you're alive.
He didn't have his jumper down, but boy, there's a
lot there.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Well, here's a good example. This is what cam Ward
was last year.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Like, there were a lot of these things going on
with cam Ward with his transfer from Washington State to
Miami last year, and there were a lot of people
around him and a lot of questions with that right
he played so well it didn't matter. Like if he
had come out last year, he probably would have been
a fifth or sixth round pick. You saw the flashes
of what he wound up becoming at Miami, but they
were few and far between. He got around better teammates
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and a better program, and all of a sudden he
became way more consistent with what he was doing. And
now that NFL teams have had the chance to sit
down with him and talk with him, they become more
comfortable with them.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Obviously, the Titans.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Are pretty comfortable with where they're at potentially taking him
first overall, so you can come out of this and
look great. But it takes handling the situation the way
Cam Moore did, and whether or not Dico can do
that remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Of all the movement, and you know, social media has
created some cryptic posts and their TJ. Watt had a
little bit of one. And I don't think this is
crazy to say this. I have suggested this is that
I think the Kansas City and Rams model is kind
of the way to do it, which is, pay for
your offense, draft your defense. You can pay for a
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great pass rusher a Miles Garrett or maybe a TJ.
Watt or a Chris Jones, but mostly keep your defense
young and twitchy. That side of the ball gets hurt more.
Keep them young and athletic. Pay for your quarterback, left tackle,
star receiver, center. You know Bears doing this, by the way,
they paid some money for offense, and I think it
will pay dividends.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
The Steeler Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Cincinnati, like, that's the way to me. Is the way
to do it is, let just draft defense. When you
see the little cryptic TJ. Watt social media post. Generally
that stuff has legs. I'm sorry, but there is a
smoke fire thing. The w family isn't going to just
make stuff up to tweet their employer.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
What did you make of that?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Well, one thing I've learned is to never not pay
attention to this, right because, I mean, these guys are
these guys are so cognizant of it. I mean, at
this point, most of the guys in the NFL grew
up with it, right Like, grew up with social media
in a way that that you and I didn't, Colin,
and so they're very savvy and have an understanding that
everything they say and do is going to have a reaction,
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especially somebody who's been in the NFL for as long
as TJ.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Watt has.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
So I think you'd be dumb not to look at
this and think that this isn't some kind of message
that he's trying to send to the Steelers that said,
when you flip over you open your calendar book, what
does it say? It says April? Right like, So they've
still got a lot of time to work this out. Obviously.
I think it's it's like a little bit of a
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window into where the Steelers are. And I think it's
part of why Aaron Rodgers does match up well with
the rest of the makeup of the roster and much
better than he did with the Giants. And you and
I have talked about this before. The Giants were basically
asking Aaron Rodgers to do what the Jets asked him
to do, which was lift a group of young players
up and take a group of young players to the
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next level. Whereas the Steelers, he's got a bunch of
players who are as close to peers as you're going
to get for Aaron Rodgers in the NFL, and guys
like Watt and Fitzpatrick and Hayward and Metcalf, guys who
are on their third contracts, are in their thirties. And again,
like this is sort of a window into where the
Steelers are the way the Wats situations playing out, where
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you know, you've got a lot of guys that are
in the last bite of the apple or are are
looking to win right now, and so you know, the
Steelers obviously have a lot to work through here. I'd
assume the T. J. Watt thing gets taken care of
in time. This is in an early warning shot that
things might not be in a great place, but they've
got a lot of time to work that out, and
(19:22):
I think getting some clarity at the quarterback position will
probably help Walk get a little bit more comfortable with
signing up for some more in Pittsburgh as well.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
All Right, Albert breern a Monday, appreciate you stopping by
my man.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
All right, thanks Collins.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, I think the Tennessee kids really talented. I just
think the reality is he's got some leverage. And again,
when you're at these Ohio states and Tennessee in the
school makes one hundred and fifty million, the coach is
making twelve, got coordinators making a million and a half
on the defensive side, and he's like, I'm the quarterback.
The duke's got a guy from Tulane making four. I
think he's a really talented kid. He's again, he's young.
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He's just it's I mean, very few NBA prospects come
into the league as great shot great athletes and great shooters.
Very few guys coming to the NFL refined like they've
got talent. But you know, it's just it's it's I mean,
go look at Brady's growth or Joe Montana's growth or
it's just the reality of it. When I watch Nico play,
I'm like that kid. I mean, he sees the field.
We when we show even those tapes we show, he
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can see the whole field. He's got a nice arm,
he's got a good touch. He was just against good team.
This defense Tennessee was sort of led by its coaching
and its defense, not its offense.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
But that's because he's the kid.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
But if you watch him play, he moves well, got
great size, you know, he's got a hip of an arm.
He's just really inconsistent. But again, this was a team
that was built on defense. So but this idea that, oh,
he doesn't deserve it, What does deserve mean?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Deserve it? I mean I'm in front of the camera.
What do I deserve? What a my producers deserve? I
don't even know what that. I don't know what ern.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Or deserve mean.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He's a quarterback who led his team to the playoff
in an unbelievable football conference as a kid with very
you know, little big game college experience, and he was
inconsistent when I watched him. But would you be shocked
if he came back and lit it up and did
a cam Ward And next year we're talking about this
kid at another program, if he went to an Ohio
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State or you know, wherever he goes, and all of
a sudden, you look up and you're I mean, if
Kyle McCord can leave Ohio State and lead NCUBA football
in passing yards, this kid can play.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
You can say what you want.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You don't have to love the timing, and you don't
have to love his dad's advice.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I totally get that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
But until the NC double A, you know, bargains this
out and figures it out and puts in rules and guidelines,
You're going to see more of this stuff. Don't blame
the kid, what's the saying, don't hate the player, hate
the game, or you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Theayte the game.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, so the game by the NC double A is
an inept leadership group that has been playing catch up
with a transfer portal in the NIL. And remember ten
years ago, one of the biggest debates in sports was
is Pete Rose should he ever get into the Hall
of Fame? And should you pay college football players? Those
are the two big yes and yes yes, And I
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mean when I was doing this fifteen years ago. If
it was a slow day, that got the phones going.
So the NCUBA had fifteen years to figure this out.
Then California passes legislation. Then here comes the avalanche, and
the NCUBAA has been playing catch up ever since. So
you can tell me who he is. You don't have
to love his timing. But I'd rather do this in
April than August. I mean, it's Tennessee. They'll go spend
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two and a half million on somebody. And I don't
blame Tennessee for moving off the kid, but I saw,
well the kids overrated, the kids really talented. I mean,
arch Manning could go number one right now. I don't
even know if Ferch Manning's good.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He backed up Quinn Yours, who I think's average. So
I mean, who knows who's good. They're all kids.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It's not the player, it's not the program. It's the system. Yes,
that is broken and really will be broken until they
have a health CBA, like the NFL.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Tennessee is the southern Ohio state. They'll figure it out.
It's a football program with a lot of drama and
a lot of cash and a lot of capital. They'll
figure it out. But you know, I just saw a
lot of people crushing the kid and his dad. Well,
of course kid listens to his dad. And this is
the you.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Know, this is the new era.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
If I, for instance, what if I worked in a
world where I didn't have a contract with Fox and
I was just hey, I saw the other guy sign
for that. I'm not showing up for tomorrow's show. I
don't think I would do that. But a system, this
is why the NFL's got everything collectively bargained. Yes, so
you have all these guard rails college forts.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I mean, it really is the first official hold out
in college.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's history.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
And for it to happen at a signature program with
a signature quarterback who was a Blue Chipper, that's why
we're talking about it.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Remember Rick Patino, Tomo and John Calipari when they lost
in the tournament, Yeah, they were literally asked, well, the
portal open today. Cali Paris didn't even know. He started laughing.
He's like, Izzo didn't care, and Cali Parti didn't know.
And Rick Patino was infuriated. So it's like, you got
(24:16):
to get this stuff right before we just blame coaches
and players.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The system.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I mean, you see countries collapse, it's not because of
the people, it's because of usually allows a government inefficiency upstairs.
That's that's why the Cleveland Browns aren't the Eagles. You
can blame the coaches and the players, blame the owner.
Why are the Rams so well running? Arizona's not. I mean,
I love McVeigh, but if you put McVay in Arizona,
(24:41):
he wouldn't be Sean McVay.
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Speaker 1 (25:49):
So apparently there was just an earthquake just north of
San Diego. I didn't feel it, but in California you
got these.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I felt it, You did? I did? Yeah? Was it
during the show?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It was during the interne you and I looked at
you and you were locked in, and I thought, either
he feels it and he's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Acknowledge it, or he's he just does it.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I'll tell you what though, we were just discussing it
was a little bit of a role action, which to
me felt unsafe.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But I was just told by our man here that
it's actually more safe to be where we are right now.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well, the building we are currently rolls so the way
I mean, that's what you want. It's kind of earthquake proved.
This was like a five point two, which is a
pretty substantial earthquake. But I was so fixated on draft
talk with Albert Breer as the world was shaking.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, you were moving by the way your mike was moving,
but you weren't.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
You were you were locked in.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Impressive, that's so weird.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Jordan with the news, no, no turn on the news.
This is the headline news. I call him.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
The Cowboys started their off season work today and edge
Micah Parsons still hasn't been extended. Dak Prescott was said
about Miah's contract and joke with the media saying that
he doesn't have the full answer why Cowboys negotiations take
so long, adding that all of his contracts would have
been done a lot sooner if he did now. Colin
I thought Jerry had a very telling quote at the
(27:14):
research owner's meetings. He said quote, I don't know why
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Deal with the player.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Also basically said he doesn't know who David Mouli get
to his Parsons' agents. This is why Colin the Cowboys
have not been relevant since the nineteen nineties. This is
not Emmett Smith. You don't talk and deal with the
player like you did three decades ago. The agent has
been empowered in a way that is significantly different than
(27:40):
the nineteen nineties with Aikman and MN and Irvin. And
as a result of that, in my opinion, Jerry's still
thinking archaically that the right way to handle a Michaeh
Parsons extension is basically to get Mike to acquiesce one
on one. That's exactly the problem that we're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, I think it's you know, it's I'm reaching a
really interesting time, Like I how do you rebuild in
the NFL. So let's say I run the Cowboys and
I look at the Lions roster, the Rams roster, or
the Eagles roster just in the NFC, and I go, I'm.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Not really there.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And I look at Jayden Daniels and I think, oh,
I don't have that either. So to me, one of
the ways you get good very quickly in this league
is hitting on multiple inexpensive draft picks. And I like
Micah Parsons a lot. I think he's a really good player.
He's not TJ.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I don't think he's Aiden Hutchison. I don't think he's
Miles Garrett. I don't think he's Max Crosby. Sometimes no,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Okay, So you feel like he's a great player or
a very good player, but he's not in the elite.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I am willing to pay a great player great money.
Ceedee lamb pay him like a one. I would not
pay Dag the money. And although I like Micah and
there's probably a team out there that really needs it's
an edge rusher. He plays a position of need for
many teams.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
How can Dallas?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I mean, they're giving away draft picks, Mingo Trey Lance.
They're giving away draft picks. How in the world do
you not consider getting in this draft? Especially Micah would
be the number one pick arguably in this draft. Go
get a number, Go get a second first round pick.
You could get a first, to a third and maybe
(29:26):
a fifth for Micah Parsons.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I would do it today.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I think Micah Parsons you mentioned CD and Dak. I
think he's the young face of the franchise. He's cool,
he he just gets it from the media standpoint. Plus
you have the production on the field. I think pay
the guy, take care of your own. How many how
many great pass rushers can you really get? It's very
hard and I think he is elite.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, I think every team in this league has won.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
No, not every teams has a truly elite pass rusher.
Even if you don't think he's or Bosa, he's still
a top seven or eight guy. He's a true difference maker.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I think, yeah. I mean, maybe I'm overstated. I feel
like every good team in this league has a pass
run every.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Most really good teams have a great pass rusher.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
But Dallas is Dallas a playoff team this year, and I.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Don't think they're particularly close. Coaching is thirty to forty
percent of the equation in this league.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
You're not a price shot him.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
There's an argument he's a bottom three coach. Oh sure, sure,
head coach.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, stay in the NFC. The Bears were pretty much
a disaster by week six.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Caleb Williams rookie year was rough.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
As a result, he sat with Esquire magazine and said, quote,
he was so beat up mentally, physically and spiritually that
there were times he would go home and drop a
few tiers.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
What do you think, Yeah, yeah, I think it's really frustrating.
And I think the greatest gift any young quarterback can
get is their guru, and I think Jayden Daniels got
it with Cliff Kingsbury. Cliff Kingsbury, we reported it first
on this show, pounded the table two months out to
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draft this kid.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I know this style.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I think Ben Johnson is going to save Caleb's career.
That sounds dramatic to say save his career, but if
you go back to last year, the old line got worse,
the running game dried up, his inconsistency was magnified week
to week. I think if he had if eber Flus
wouldn't have been let go, or they picked a wrong coach,
(31:39):
a defensive coach, you were looking at a wasted career.
I think he's going to be really special. And I
think it's like anybody in any job. I don't care
if you're a young lawyer or a young quarterback, or you know,
a city council member having a mentor or a guiding light.
Chicago's not a city that gets off and.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
So they're not quarterbacks. I'll tell you. You mentioned Ben Johnson.
He will take Caleb to the next level and elevate
him and maximize him in a way that Waldron never
would have.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Ibra flu certainly never would have.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
The issue that Chicago has had wasn't just the coaching,
it was the offensive line. Last year, they couldn't quite
figure out how to get Caleb consistent. He lost ten
games last year. That's more than he lost at Ou
and sc combined. This is a guy who's very young,
very talented, and has been for the first year of
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his NFL career without a real plan. You bring it
Ben Johnson, who got Jared Goff and turned him into
one of the I would say best six or seven
quarterbacks in football. He's going to take Caleb Williams to
the next level. I don't My question would be does
it happen right away? How long does it take? Considering
that they do have some pretty good weapons.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I said this with j Mack before the vacation. Will
know by October first if he can play. If you
looked at Jared Goff the second week under McVeigh, we
thought he was a bust. You go, I mean, just go.
When you get the coach right. Brought perty second time
he started, You're like, oh, yeah, that works. That's good
enough to be a franchise quarterback. Joe Burrow second start.
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I don't think it takes long. I mean Jayden Daniels,
he got better as the season progressed, but like the
second or third start, we were all like, dude, he's accurate.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Dan quainn Cliff Kingsbury. That's compared to Matty e Verflus
and Shane Waldron. That's the difference.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
We talked a lot about Rory McElroy. He's the Masters winner,
but he's the first one to have four double bowlgies
over four rounds. Rory had some up and down moments. Yesterday,
Bertie the first playoff Folds to complete his career Grand Slam.
He's the sixth golfer to reach that feat. Listen to
bryceon Deshambo talk about how locked in Rory was during
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the final rounds.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
In that how's he doing?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yay, no idea and it didn't talk to me once
all day, but he was just like hey, just being focused.
I guess I thought a couple things stood out. One
you mentioned how the gallery or whatever, what do they
call it the Masters the Patriot. Yeah, they will tell you.
They told us that Rory was the guy. Now, whether
or not he was gonna win, we didn't know. But
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the fact that he basically chokes away eighteen, goes to
a playoff.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And then wins it, I think adds.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
To his legacy. So he gets the career Grand Slam,
he gets the Green jacket. Well, but in the manner
of which he did it well. Yeah, I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I was talking about this this morning with the team
and I said, put yourself in Rory's shoes. Yeah, so
you're you're coupled with Bryson to Shamba, who's this big, alpha,
kind of cocky guy who's much more likable today than
three years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But he is.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, and Bryson he came out gladiator style getting high fives.
And also Ror is a fast player, faster player on
de Shambo's not surgery though, but he's a slower player.
So it's one of these things where I could see
Rory saying, you know, this guy's cocky. This guy can
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be a bit obnoxious if you look at his history
with Brooks Koepka. I'm not gonna engage this guy. I'm
gonna be respectful, shake his hand, and then I'm Dean.
I'm gonna deal with myself and my emotions. I've struggled here.
I can see Rory saying I'm not gonna let him
get in my head, and maybe by me ignoring him,
maybe that gets in his head. Because you can watch
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Deshambo Deshambo unraveled yesterday. Could I make the argument that
Deshambo came into Sunday thinking I'm gonna get in Rory's
head a little bit, and by the fourth to fifth hole,
Rory ignoring him maybe got into Bryson's head a little
bit because his game unraveled. The only thing that saved
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him the first three days was he was great on
the greens. Those greens were fast, or was fast Augusta.
But he unraveled and Rory buckled but didn't unravel.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So I'm going to defend Rory on Listen.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
If you're a lawyer, it's the biggest case of your career,
and you go into the final day of it closing arguments,
and you know the opposing attorney is trying to get
in your head. The rule of thumb is I pay
attention to your case don't get caught up in that stuff.
(36:33):
So Rory came in, It's like bro fist bump, handshake.
I'm in my own world here.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Two quick takeaways. Justin Rose super classy. He's now lost,
He's now been the runner up three times, has lost
two playoffs. Really classy by him. And then also Colin,
we both have daughters. What I heard from Rory yesterday
basically telling his daughter never give up on your dreams.
That was an emotional moment for me, and I thought
it was really cool that he showed the vulnerability as
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an athlete after this great moment to the world in
front of his daughter.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That was pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Remember also Augusta doesn't have there's no cell phones out there.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
No, it's old school.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
It's old school, and because of that, the patrons are
so engaged. So the truth is between the difficulty of
the course the pressurized environment of Augusta on Sunday, the
patrons are more engaged.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I get see Rory being like I'm soaking this up.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, like I'm always going to defend a legend in
his biggest moment ever, doubling on his concentration, and he
did it.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Finally, Colin Tenoroa McMillan out of Arizona has been mocked
in the first round by many draft analysts.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I reported earlier this morning.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
That before a Wildcat has visited the Patriots, Chargers, Seahawks, Browns, Raiders, Panthers, Cowboys,
and Saints, and he has three more lined up now
and talking to multiple teams, I can tell you that McMillan,
or as the kids call it, T mac, the other
t mac. He has drawn comparisons to T Higgins, to
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Mike Evans sixty four grand four four eight five five.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
The T Higgins stuff feels right.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
The only question mark for him to me is is
he going to be great? I think the floor is
he's really good. Some of these teams really jumped out
to me, specifically the Chargers and Cowboys. Imagine him teed
up with.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I will tell you this, Seattle likes him a lot.
I'll just leave it at that, Seattle likes him a lot.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
So could T mac be the essentially replacement to DK Metcalf?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Pair him up with JSI, if I had to make
a prediction on my draft, he goes to the Seaton.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Okay, I like it.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Jordan with a news Well that's the news.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
And thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
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Speaker 5 (38:56):
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Speaker 4 (39:02):
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Speaker 2 (39:15):
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this weekend are Fox. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Bryceon Neshambo, somebody that I thought was super obnoxious when
he came into the sport where he brag about seventeen
egg omelets and thirteen slices of bacon and twelve power shakes.
He's got his own YouTube stuff now. He's very popular,
made a lot of money on Live and the Masters
obviously they weren't. They weren't showing much of him for
the first couple of days, and then they were forced
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in the final round. You know, they've got to show him.
He's coupled with Rory McElroy. But you know, you can't
expect folks. You can't expect guys to be best friends.
They're all trying to get the same Remember, Rory is
a tour guy and Bryson is a live guy, so
right there, and Rory's been an outspoken to her advocate
like Tiger Woods. You can't expect these guys to be buddies.
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They're not gonna be Who cares Michael Jordan didn't love
the Pistons or Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Get over it.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
This idea that everybody's got to be friends. Like I
don't like that about the NBA. I like when there
used to be like this tribal support system in Detroit,
and then with the Lakers, and then with the Bulls
and then with the Celtics, So you got the the
live thing is disconnecting people. Also, you know Brooks Koepka,
he was worn out by Bryson and Shamble like he
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was just like eye rolling stage.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I think Bryson's did a good.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Job to rehab his image, but he's still he's got
a little pro wrestler and then too and Rory's like,
I got no I want. You know, Rory's also European
and there I mean, he's a little more stoic a
little more laid back, a little more chill. I mean,
if you ask Rory what matters to him, it could
be the writer Cup. I mean, these are very proud
(40:54):
men who are great, and the American guys got alpha
Gilmart's Yeah, and still the idea that they're just going
to be buddies. It's like no, I mean, just European
men and American men are different.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
They're just different. It's just a different kind of vibe.
Rory said that one of his big things left to
do is win another road Ryder Cup. Yeah, that matters
to him.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Oh, it matters to European golfers a lot, not that
it doesn't matter here, but it's a big you know, Americans,
the big target. This is where outside of the British Open,
this is where the tournaments are. And you know, it's
like basketball players. You can play in Europe for Croatia,
but you want to make the association, you want to
play here. So I kind of like the fact that
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in the gallery without the phones is so engaged in
Augusta that you're that's kind of your partner. I mean,
you're really connecting with fans like no other tournament on
the planet. I just thought it was four hours, five
hours of perfect TV.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Hour three, next,
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