May 27, 2024 • 42 mins
Tom Brady stops by. Now part of the Fox Sports family, he and Colin talk football, Tom's career in the NFL and what's to come in the season ahead. Plus, where Colin was right and wrong from a week of sports.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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on this Memorial Day. Jmac tom Brady's going to show
up in five minutes. We've got ourselves the MAVs looking
to close out Minnesota. That's got all sorts of issues
with Rudy Gobert's defense and Kat's offense. And then we
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have the Celtics ready to close out a pesky and
fun and fast paced Indiana team that's not quite there
yet but has been competitive.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Your buddy Jason Tatum had a really nice end of
Game three. I think he had thirty six points, four
key assists in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
He was good, he was acception. That was his best
playoff game. Yeah, we do it every Monday. It's called
Colin right, Colin wrong, And here we go. Where Colin
was right, I said Luca on Tuesday last week, of
all the remaining players, was the best player. Yes, he
can be selfish, doesn't play well with everybody in his career,
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but he leads the NBA playoffs and points assists, third
in rebounding indisputable. His degree of difficulty, even on his
made shots is like something I've almost never seen before.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
We were right on that where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
But I was wrong on the man. I didn't know
if they could beat the Clippers. I thought they'd losed
a young and fun OKC. I thought Minnesota would dispose
of them, probably in six or seven.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
But Gafford PJ.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Washington to go along with Luca and Kyrie have become
a really dynamic, energetic team that is tremendous if the
games aren't close late.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, I said Boston would get to the finals and
it would be sweeps or gentlemen sweeps. Throw in the injuries.
They're forty one and eleven against the East. Part of
it is the East is dreadful. The other part is
the Celtics are deep, resourceful, and they improved their coaching staff.
You are seeing what virtually everybody, including our show, predicted.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Ant is not quite ready to get to the finals.
It was very good against Phoenix and Denver. He has
struggled from the field team low plus minus. I love
watching him. I think he works really hard. I think
by the end of next year he could be the
face of the league with Wemby and maybe Luca. But
right now he's shooting thirty nine percent from the field.
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He looks a bit tired, He's lost some energy and
at times on his jumper he's lost some confidence.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Where Colin was right, Robert.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Sala, according to reports, is going to get more involved
in the offense, which worries me. I talked about this
in the last couple of weeks with Nat Hackett. Since
Sala arrived three years ago. It's the lowest scoring offense
in the league, regardless of coordinator and quarterback. I like
Robert Sala, but I thought Hackett was Aaron's buddy, not
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an elite candidate.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
And here we are where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
The Suns, according to a reporter Evan Sidery, are hoping
to pursue Lebron James what get older and more expensive.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I don't get it. That one. I don't get at all.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I hope this kid it's got good sources, because I
do not understand even doubling down on this group. I
like Booker, but you could get a hall for him.
What you don't want to be in this league is old,
brittle and expensive, and KD. Beale and Lebron together, to
me is problematic.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Sean Peyton publicly this week we showed you earlier, came
out and said bo Nicks is ahead of schedule.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
This doesn't surprise us.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Bow Knicks at Auburn at Oregon insanely accurate. Sixty one
college starts in two good conferences, so you know what
you're getting and I also think the key with bow Nicks,
he looks like a Sean Payton quarterback. Where Colin was right,
Dj Moore, star receiver for the Bears, defended justin Field
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to the end, and I said, wait until he has
a couple of practices with Caleb Williams and he's going
to be a Caleb Williams guy. This week, DJ Moore acknowledged, Yeah,
this guy's good.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I like him a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Pro athletes are mostly about winning, and some become later
in their careers about money. Sometimes they go hand in hand.
But Caleb Williams, in my opinion, is a transformative prospect.
You need help, you need production, you need the right coach.
But the kid is just different. Where Colin was right,
where Colin was wrong on a Monday, it's.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Tom Brady's around the corner.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
What what's funny about that Chicago situation is, and you
hear this all the time, is that a lot of
times you're with somebody at work in any workplace, and
you really like somebody and you think they're really good,
and you feel a responsibility to sort of defend them.
And I think Dj Moore felt a responsibility his buddy.
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I mean when you're a star receiver and you have
a young quarterback. I mean you're you're sitting next to
each other on the plane at lunch like that's your guy.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
You need each other.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It's a timing position, a timing alliance quarterback and receiver.
But if you watch justin Fields play and you watch
Caleb Williams, Caleb gives you all the physical attributes, but
a much better thrower of the football. So that here's
DJ Moore talking about Caleb.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
He was a quarterback last year and now we got
Caleb and go right through h Ll and back with him.
So I'm just looking forward to Sanwiti prot out. You
can see the natural leadership is there, the natural arm
twn is there. Everything about him is just always a
positive thing. And you know when he has a bad
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like play, he's looking to learn real fast right after.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I mean, that's all you can ask them. Listen.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
In my life, my adult life, I could count on
one hand the times I felt the Chicago Bears had
elite offensive talent. I may be able to count that
on one finger. This is a rare Keenan Allen, DJ
Moore good offensive tackles DeAndre Swift, Gerald Everett Cole Comet,
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Caleb Williams. The defense played well last seven weeks of
the year, top five in the NFL. So it doesn't
happen very often where I look at Chicago and think, oh,
they could match up with the best offenses in the league,
like a Miami, Baltimore, San Francisco Rams. I can almost
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and I've said this before, think about this. It is
hard as the NFL has pivoted, and the fact that
young quarterback play right now, at least physically, is better
than it's ever been. They go to camps, the seven
on seven, the quarterback stuff, the quarterbacks come in, more starts,
more attention, more ready to play at least at a
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physical level. And the Bears have never had a quarterback
through for four thousand yards. Just take a deep breath
and think about that. Green Bay has hadultiple quarterbacks do
it in multiple seasons in the same division. So they're
just limitations on what Chicago should do. So Tom Brady's
getting checked in right now, and I'll tell you when
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he's ready. All right, I'm gonna take a break. Tom
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Speaker 8 (09:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
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Tom Brady joining us live now from an undisclosed location,
I'll just say it's nice. And he's got a better
studio than I do today. All right, twenty three years,
seven super Bowls, five MVPs. You said something recently, Michael Rubins,
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Michael Rubin's place, brilliant guy for fanatics, and you were there,
And I want to play this bite because I had
a little pushback on this roll that bite of Tommy.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You have fifty three guys on the team, and you
think it's about you, ainy about you. It's about us.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
And the biggest problem I see with a lot of
the young players today, you guys are making it too
much about I and me because of social media, because
of branding.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
And all that. It's fine, you're not going to win.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
There was a difference between being a star and being
a champion.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So I heard that and I said, in your era,
you may have had a star quarterback coming out of
college every five years and lay A Peyton Manning, but
even a big Ben was a nobody. Even you at
a Michigan you're battling for starts. Could I make the
argument that it's virtually impossible to come out of college
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now you're paid in il to come out of college
and not be a bit of a celebrity, that it's
harder to avoid those trappings today Tom that it was
in your era.
Speaker 10 (10:59):
Yeah, that's a great point. I really that kind of
hit home for me. When I went to the University
of Michigan. I forgot we had lost in one of
the playoff rounds and coach Harbought invited me back to
do a national signing day, and it was Jared Jeeter
was there, and they almost formatted the day at Michigan
as the NFL Draft, and all these kids were basically
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coming from high school to college. And I remember leaving
there that day thinking that it was a great event
for the University of Michigan, and it was a really
cool event for a lot of the players and the
families who were being recruited out of high school. But
at the same time, I think we were doing a
real disservice to those young aspiring athletes because we were
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giving them so much fame and notoriety just for playing
high school football. And you're right, I think a lot
of the things that we see now because of really
the digital age and the proliferation of information spread so
quickly to every where, there are so many young high
school athletes that are getting notoriety and fame, and you're
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just at such a young developmental type of age, and
it's just a challenging thing for your brain to wrap
your head around it so much. I think when I
look back to when I was coming out of college,
when I was basically getting into the pros, there were
such few outlets to cover you that you really felt
like you had to do a great job. You had
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to do great things to get noticed, and that was
really the motivation. Man If I could ever get on
the cover of a sports illustrated, if I could ever
get written about in the local paper, that will mean
that I did something really extraordinary, And that was a
not always the motivation, but that was really the effect
of what you put out as an athlete.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
And today it's obviously just so much different. So I
don't know.
Speaker 10 (12:52):
I think resilience and determination overcoming adversity. Yes, those are
really sustainable traits and players and athletes, leads and obviously entrepreneurs, businessman.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Look at you, look at all the things you've had
to overcome.
Speaker 10 (13:05):
And I just don't want us to give so much
to the younger generation before they really have the full
perspective on what those things mean for them. So I
recognize that change at Michigan that day. That was really
like a punch in the gut for me to go, Wow,
you know, we're probably gone a little too far with this,
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but you know, naturally the pendulum kind of swings and
swings back, and I just hope these young athletes can
really understand the what's really going to make their career,
not their brand or their physical ability, but their connection
with their teammates, their leadership ability, them wanting to put
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the team first above individual goals and recognition. When they
show up every day, they are thinking what can I
do to help the team win, because that's the most
fulfilling part about team sports is winning.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, it's funny, and Tom, I never want to disincentivize
my kids. I always had the rule of the three c's.
I said, if you could be curious compassionate and competitive.
You're gonna have a great life and nice. Competitive is
hard because Dad's gonna have a nice home, will go
on good vacations. And you were known to me of
your many gifts. You had the right height, you had,
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the work ethic, You're a smart guy. You're really competitive.
And I think to myself, you can't be competitive jet skiing.
How does Tom Brady? And in a weird way, I
think to myself, Oh, I get competitive the broadcasting thing,
because you're gonna get people take shots at you and
be snippets. So if you found yourself already with broadcasting,
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watching your tapes and getting hyper competitive, is that just
sort of who you are.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
There are definitely parts of me that are hyper competitive,
and certainly they were as a player and as an athlete.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
I love that competition. I relish that competition daily.
Speaker 10 (15:00):
I didn't give a shit if it was practice, if
it was a game, if it was ping pong, if
we were playing trashketball in the in the locker room,
I wanted to win.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
There's other parts where I feel like I've matured a
little bit and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely
competitive at everything. It's a little more selective. I think
if I want to put effort into something, then natural
I'll be Naturally I'll be more competitive at it because
I'll invest.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
It a little bit of my time, a little bit
of my.
Speaker 10 (15:30):
Energy into it. Certainly with the broadcaster. I don't think
for me it's about competition. I think it's for me
it's about did I put everything I could into it?
And I did I give the fans everything that they
tuned in for. And that's really how I end up
gauging myself and and I'll have to look at myself
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at the end of every Sunday night going did I
do a good enough job?
Speaker 8 (15:54):
Did I live up to the belief that Fox had
in me? Did I live up to the expectations.
Speaker 10 (16:00):
Of my teammates Kevin Burkhard and Aaron and Tom and
Richie's Ions and rich Russo and our entire truck, the
entire team. That's that's ultimately how I judge myself in
that new role.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, good guys to work for. I want you. I
just saw a story.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Sean Payton was texting me last night about bo Nix
and how happy he was with him, and then he
talked about it publicly, and we thought it was a
good fit because so much in life is fit. You know,
there's a million jobs our kids could get in the workforce,
But what fits your personality and your drive and your ascension?
And I thought bo I thought he was Drew Brees
with mobility. Neither throws a great deep ball, both a
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little undersized. And I want you to go back to
your first camp because I don't care if it's Michael
Pennix or it's Caleb. Now, Caleb's a little grooved in here.
You know, Denver doesn't have a great roster. You know
some of these kids, c J. Stroud had to wing
it on the fly a little bit. I want you
to You may have had nightmares about it and tried
to suppress these memories, But go back to your first camp.
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I don't you Tom Brady is nervous, but was their anxiety?
Were there times you thought I'm over my skis here?
Speaker 8 (17:08):
It's a great.
Speaker 10 (17:09):
Question, I think naturally, as an athlete, we're all going
to question as we move up to the next level.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
Are we capable?
Speaker 10 (17:15):
Are we enough? For most of the answers, I think
we don't know. We're going to have to wait and
see the development, and everyone asks me all the time
around the draft pre draft, which of these kids is
going to be the most successful.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
There's two answers.
Speaker 10 (17:33):
One it's up to them, and two is show me
the people that are around them and are helping to
develop them. It's not necessarily about someone's physical potential all
the time. So much of it is about can you
retain information, can you process it?
Speaker 8 (17:50):
Can you use the information?
Speaker 10 (17:51):
Are you willing to study and go through the intricate
details of the game, like Drew Brees was, like Peyton
Manning was, like Philip River was, like some of the
all time great John Elway was, some of the all
time great quarterbacks were.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
You could be very physically talented.
Speaker 10 (18:08):
You could absolutely go to the wrong fit and have
a coach instruct you to do things that are almost
impossible to do. You can't assume that what these young
athletes are being told that every coach is the same.
Some coach may have one perspective, another coach may have
another perspective. So why was I fortunate because I came
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into the Patriots when Bill Belichick was there, He's the
one that helped develop me. Charlie Weiss was there, he
helped develop me. Later in my career, Josh McDaniels was there.
He helped develop me.
Speaker 8 (18:42):
I could not have been the.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Player I was without people like that impacting my career.
My first year, I had Drew Bledsoe to look up to.
He took all the reps. I got to sit there
from behind and watch him every single day. I had
a real mentor to look up to, and Drew so
some of these teams and you look at Jordan Love
who I was watching some of those clips that you
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had on before I came on, But.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
He had Aaron Rodgers to watch.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
That's the best type of training, in my opinion, Watch
someone else do it at a very high level, and
then try to emulate them with your own personality. Maybe
a little bit of the misnomer with the draft is
that these players can come in and all of a
sudden become this great professional player before they've really had
the training and the development. And it was rare for
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quite a while for rookie quarterbacks to come in and play.
Maybe if you're the first overall pick, but not if
you're a second rounder, a third rounder. You had a
chance to be groomed. Well, we're not allowing them to
do that much anymore. Now we're throwing them out there,
let's see what you can do. And it's a really
challenging thing. If I was a young quarterback in this
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day and age to go out there with the pressure
of the agents and the families, the school rules, the
social media, the fans, the coaches, the owner, How did
these kids live up to that? I think it's a
real challenge for these these young quarterbacks. Hopefully they go
into a system that can embrace them, that can fit
in multitude they are. Hopefully they have coaches around them
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that can develop them in the best possible way.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So the Chiefs are looking to do something that's never
been done, and it's I grew up in the seventies,
so it's hard for me to believe. Sometimes the Steelers
didn't win three straight championships. You couldn't score on them.
Forget Swan and Bradshawn, Frank o'herrett, you couldn't score on them.
And then there were Raider teams with Stabler and the
Niners and the Cowboys in your teams. So I want
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you to go to the years that you won a
Super Bowl. Let's stay in New England because in Tampa
you brought everybody back, which can actually work the opposite,
whether you get too comfortable in New England. And Julius Edelman,
who's become a friend, talks about this. Could you tell
Tom in the camp after you won a Super Bowl?
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Would there be days you'd be driving home thinking, man,
that was a bad practice. We got a Super Bowl hangover?
Did you fight that? Could you sense that.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
There was?
Speaker 10 (21:19):
To win a Super Bowl is extremely challenging, as we know,
even when you look the way the Chiefs won the
Super Bowl last year against the forty nine ers. It
was an incredible comeback so to speak. They played really
well at the end. The margin of air was razor thin. Yeah,
and that's the way it's going to be this year
for them as well.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
It's very rare.
Speaker 10 (21:40):
I mean I would played on an undefeated team. We
were the best team, I think, one of the best
in the history of football. In two thousand and seven,
we go to the Super Bowl. We played less than
our best game. The Giants play an awesome game and
they end up beating us. All these teams in the
NFL are very competitive, they're all well coached. The margin
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of there is raised orsin So to win one Super
Bowl is extremely difficult. To win two back to back
what the Chiefs have done. I mean, as we know,
in the history of the sport, nearly impossible to win
three in a row. There's a reason why no one's
done it. The reason why I haven't won three in
a row because it's hard to win one in a row.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
So to put three of those.
Speaker 10 (22:20):
Together in back to back to back seasons, with drafting
last a very hard schedule, all the turnover and free
agency guys continuing to be motivated, it's a big challenge.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
And that's nothing to say that the Chiefs couldn't accomplish that.
Speaker 10 (22:36):
Believe me, everybody would probably put them as one of
the odds on favor to do it. But even that,
there's not a fifty percent chance of that happening.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
There's way less than that.
Speaker 10 (22:46):
Those players are gonna have to show up every day,
they're gonna have to put the work in like they have. Fortunately,
they have a tremendous coach and Andy Reid who doesn't
ever look backward. He's not going to say, hey, you know,
we're gonna because we were great last year, we're going
to be great again this year. He has a very
veteran experience, championship level coach who holds those guys accountable.
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They've got a great quarterback in Patrick that as we
know when he's on the field, he's as great as
a football player there is in the NFL. Travis Kelce,
what he can do at the tight end position. It's
really a great safety. Blanka Rashid Rice coming on as
a rookie, Chris Jones. I mean, they've got Spagnulo back
there as a decordinator, so they have a lot of
great pieces. But to win it all again is a
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momentous task. No one's going to put it past them.
But we're all excited to show up and watch on
opening day and see what version of the twenty twenty
four Chiefs, what they can do, and the goals they
can set for themselves and whether they can reach them.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You know, one of the things you noticed, and again,
I think you're a compartmentalizer. I kind of sometimes watch you.
There are certain celebrities Jerry Seinfeld has this. I watch
your brain how it works and to isolate stuff, compartmentalize it,
become an expert at it. And that's why I think
you'll be very good at broadcasting. One of the things
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you identified in Tampa was we got to get a
right tackle. I need a blocking tight end. I want
to power running back. You identified because the roster was good,
but they had some holes. They had a very good
guard center guard Jensen. That was uh that was the
strength of the team, and really young linebackers, little young
in the secondary.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
But you identified clearly. You and the coaches.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Jason Light did one of the pushbacks I have said
on Aaron Rodgers, I said Stafford went to a great
old line, Tommy went to a great on line or
made it one. Russell Wilson did not, and Aaron did not.
And my belief is when you this is why Kirk
Cousins do. Atlanta works excellent young O line. I worry
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that when you get older, you got your money, you
may be married, you got you don't want to get
hit and that just that shaky O line to a
forty year quarterback off an achilles surgery. I remember the
year that you got hurt. You came back the first
six or seven games. I would watch you. You didn't
like people around your knees. I do think that all
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I care about the Jets is that O line. Does
that concern you with Aaron that it's either old dudes
or rookies and a lot of guys in their prime
on that on line.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
In New York.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
So in the offensive line is such an important part
of every great football team. If you show me a
great football team that doesn't have a great O line,
it's it probably doesn't exist very often. If you are,
you're pretty lucky and you better have incredible strengths every where.
So and the reason why is that offensive line is
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really they facilitate what happens on every run play.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
It's really up to them.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
Can they displace the line of scrimmage? Can they push
the d line back? And then in past in past
protection when it's a must throw situation, can we give
our quarterback a chance to stand in there comfortably and
make the reads? And when I've been playing against teams
that have good old lines, I can hear it in
the meeting rooms. I sit there in the front row
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of every Bill Belichick meeting for over twenty years. When
he was coaching our defense and we were playing a
good offensive line, I knew that it was going to
be a long, hard day for our defense because in
the run game. They were going to push us off
the ball. They were going to create holes in space
for them to run the ball well and possess it
running it, and when it was a must pass situation,
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that quarterback.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Would have a chance to stand in there and make
great reads.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
And on the flip side of that, when I heard
that our defense could tee off on that other old
line and we can really hold up in the run
game with not as many bodies as we needed to,
I knew we were going to get a chance to
force the quarterback and the mistakes, and we were going
to have the ball a lot in terms of possession
because they were going to be punning the football lot.
So choice is always made with I was fortunate I
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had a lot of great offensive lines in my career.
I played with guys I had a lot of confidence
them up front. Certainly, the center position is extremely important.
It's such a unique relationship the center and the quarterback have.
I loved all those guys I played with.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
They were up.
Speaker 10 (27:19):
Front, they were getting everyone coordinated, and when I felt
like they had things under control up front, it gave
me a lot of confidence to stand back in the pocket.
So choosing a good team with a good old line
is paramount to the success of a quarterback. You're not
going to have a good season if your offensive line
can't hold up in protection. And I know when I
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was at Tampa when we beat them in the Super Bowl,
the chief set is they really struggled upfront.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
They had a lot of injuries that year. Andy Reid and.
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Red Beach decided to come back, revamped that O line,
and they played tremendous football since they really invested in
their offensive line. Joe Tooney came on board last year,
they brought in Donovan smith yep, and they really revamped
that line. And look at the way Patshako ran. Even
though he wasn't a high pick. Patrick could stand in
there and make throws down the field.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
So they've got to continue to do that.
Speaker 10 (28:12):
All these teams need to make an investment in coaching
and coaching the O line and developing the O line,
and that's going to be the key to a lot
of offense success this year.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Okay, let's look at the schedule for Fox so it
gets released. We know you're doing the Cowboys Cleveland Browns game.
So you got a pretty high profile game there with
Dak Prescott, but if we show it on the screen
the Fox schedule. So when you play, you obviously watch
some stuff. Maybe if you have a late night game,
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you watch the Red Zone. But during your career, now
you're going to go headlong into this stuff. But during
your career, I sit with a notepad for eight hours
on Sunday. I've got no social life. How close did
you watch the other teams outside of film Tommy, and
I'm not talking about film study, I'm him and you
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didn't play in a lot of one o'clock games. You
were usually on the late games because they want to
get mister Brady on TV. How closely did you watch
personnel or have you had to play catch up?
Speaker 8 (29:17):
I watched every game.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
I tried to pay attention and follow every team every week.
It's that was our job. That was to understand the
whole league the perspective. Every game counts. Those games meant
whatever games, they meant a lot to the division standings. Ultimately,
because our team was very competitive, the conference standings were
very important. You didn't look too much beyond that, and
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we never talked about the playoffs and so forth. But
I knew what every division opponent was doing. Every week,
where there were upsets, where there were injuries, those were
all very important to the success of our team. You
have to win your division first. That's your best path
toward the second round of the playoffs is win your division.
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Of course, doesn't always need to happen that way, a
lot of teams have proven that wrong.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
But at the same time, if you beat if you
beat those other.
Speaker 10 (30:06):
Three teams in your division, you got a great chance
to advance to the second round of a playoffs. So
I paid attention then, I'm paying attention now all these
games We're going to have some perspective on as we
go through the season. I'm very excited about our Fox
slate that I'm involved in. We got some incredible games.
We got Chiefs at the forty nine ers looking forward
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to that. We got a bunch of Dallas games.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
We have Dallas and the Lions, some really Dallas and
the Ravens.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
I'm doing so a lot of the teams that I've
had a lot of familiarity with, but also having Dallas
on our roster is extremely important for They just draw
a lot of eyeballs and I'll be excited to cover
those games.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
We'll have fun with your fam look like I saw
one of your kids back there. Great seeing you, Tom.
I can't wait to see in the building. And I
know you're on vacation and I'm just taking time that
you would otherwise be having a good time, and I
appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Hey, great to be with you. Good to see you
working on Memorial Day.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
And thanks to all the incredible people and very resilient
families that have sacrificed a lot for us in this
great day that we celebrate with our families as kind
of the unofficial start of summer. So hope everyone's enjoying
their day.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
All right.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Tom Brady for twenty minutes, certainly appreciated that undisclosed location.
It does have a nice beach, you can tell from that,
you know, it's It's really interesting when you Tom paid
so much attention to when he played. And I can
remember one time years ago somebody asked Aaron Rodgers about
the Super Bowl and he goes, I didn't even watch it.
He's like, I wasn't in it. I was frustrated. I
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wasn't in it. Brady's just and this is why when
people say how will Tom be as a broadcaster, I
always say, well, people that are meticulous tend to be
good broadcasters. If you're very much into details, compartmentalizing, isolating, studying,
you'll be a good broadcaster. And you know, obviously you
need a good company, good marketing, you need a good partner.
It helps when you have good games. But generally when
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people ask me, I say, if you're somebody that enjoys
the process of work and details, that's what broadcasting is.
It sounds like it's just eight seconds of saying something fun,
glibs smart after a play. It's a lot of details
and a lot of homework, and I suspect Tom's gonna
be really good at it. We'll do Herd line coming
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Speaker 1 (32:35):
Uh, Tom Brady stop by always appreciate that. So fired
up Dallas Cleveland. There's some good games on that Fox schedule.
You know it was funny because I relreally thought. I
started looking over all the schedules and I was like,
everybody got star quarterbacks. And then it dawns on me
that they're just more star quarterbacks once CJ. Stroud hit
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and you're like, oh, wow, CJ. Stroud's could And then
this year, I think we all all agree that Caleb
Williams and Jayden Daniels should at least be highly entertaining.
And then all of a sudden, Jordan loved. By the
end of the year, you're like, oh, that's what a
star quarterback looks like. Brought pretty two years ago, comes
from nowhere. Whether he's a star or not, he's highly capable.
And you start looking around and you're like, oh, we
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got four or five new guys. So it's when you
get a big brand, Green Bay and a star quarterback emerges,
networks put them on TV six times. So now all
of a sudden, Green Bay, you lose Aaron Rodgers. Oh no,
they have their next star quarterback. And then Philadelphia is
a big brand, they lose Carson Wentz. Oh it's Nick Foles. Well,
now Jalen Hurtz feels like a star quarterback. So that's
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why last year great ratings without Joe Burrow. There were
a lot of quarterback injuries. They're all back. Aaron's back,
Joe Burrow's back. You start looking at that gauntlet of
AFC quarterbacks, Anthony Richardson's back, Aaron's back, Burrow's back, Deshaun
Watson's back. The Jets could be on their back. Got
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to get off to a good star.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
J Marg with the news.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Now, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
All right, Let's go to the NBA.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Luca and Kyrie just totally dominating in the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 11 (34:13):
They're up three nothing.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
During the broadcast last night, stan Van Gundy said they
are the most talented backcourt in NBA history history.
Speaker 11 (34:22):
Colin Kyrie responded to that after the dub.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
It doesn't mean anything if we don't win a ring together,
you know. And I say that very responsibly to you know,
not saying that we aren't great now, but there are
other backcourts that are more deserving right now for that recognition.
And I think once we put a good run together
and we could look back on and reflect on it,
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then that'll be our time. But right now, I want
to show a lot of respect to the guys that
have come before us and have actually did it, and
our time will.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Come saying all the right thing. There's like good Kyrie,
bad Kyrie, and he is good Kyrie for the last
six months.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So what is it.
Speaker 11 (35:03):
He's all grown up and he's just mature. Is he
a better place we don't know? Off the court.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Well, he just may be happier.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
He did a better place with his basketball, which is
part of his life.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So I ran into an NBA trainer at the gym Friday,
and you know, I know some of the guys he
works with.
Speaker 11 (35:17):
He works with someone on the maps, and I told
the story on my podcast. I hope I'm not outing anybody,
but I said, why is Kyrie all different? Why is
he locked in?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And he said, they're taking care of him. Apparently during
Ramadan they flew in a private chef to create all
the meals for Kyrie. Just keep him happy, right, keep
him locked in? And I said, well, why wouldn't the
Nets do that his last time?
Speaker 11 (35:38):
He was like, no, they didn't do They were running
like a business.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Harry, Oh, get a banana over there. You know Ramadan,
we're not doing private chef.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
So they Dallas is nurturing his off court. Think about now,
he's happy.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Fans could say, oh, it's coddling.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
But in the.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
NBA, winning one series gives you three or four more
home games does an NBA team does the owner pocket
two and a half million per home game? So you
say to yourself, oh, they flew in a private jet.
It was like two hundred thousand dollars. It's the star
is deliberate. It's not like Kawhi that's never available or
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James Harden that doesn't give you wins in May and June.
If Kyrie is responsible for you getting past a Denver
or an OKC and has huge games down the stretch,
I'm flying in whatever he needs to be happy. That's
different than just coddling players like you got a guy
now when he's in the right headspace, he's a remarkable
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player to.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
The point by stan Van Gunney, and I thought it
was a tremendous point.
Speaker 11 (36:40):
I hadn't really thought of it.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Like Steff Curry and Klay Thompson has been up there
as one of the best backcourts ever.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
But they were never considered the two best closers in
the playoffs. One was a catch and shoot guy. One
was the greatest three point shooter ever, so Shaq and
Kobe to me, well, no, that's not a back quot no,
but I mean that's the only time in my life
where the two best closers in in the sport.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
We're on the same team.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Shackdown low, Kobe perimeter and the did You could argue
there was somebody in Wade that Wade is a great athlete,
he wasn't a great closer, and at that point in
Lebron's career there were a lot of questions about his
ability to close. He was just a great player. Wayne Wayneless,
I mean, Luke and Kyrie are great closers. I mean
those games last night are like one o three, one
oh three, and then it's a six point game.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
You can't stop. Luca went, oh, you just can't.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
When that game was tied late, did you ever think
Minnesota was gonna win?
Speaker 11 (37:30):
I did not, because you know, I'm locked down on
the maths.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
But it just felt like, oh, it's Luca against anton Cat.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I'm gonna take Luca and Kyrie.
Speaker 11 (37:36):
By way, where's your guy? Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
He was excellent against Phoenix and Denver. He's had a
couple of good games in this series. Why don't you
blame cat for not Rob CAP's been in this league
for a decade, I think, and it's a kid.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
The big picture is better offense feats better defense all
the time.
Speaker 11 (37:53):
Oh well, he's going with the better.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Offense and Lucas and in the in the even though
the NBA is swallowing the whistle in the postseason, guys
are still getting there.
Speaker 11 (38:03):
The way, who are you building around Luca or Yokis?
I give you first pick who Jokic is really good?
And I've been consistent.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I'm going Luca at least top six.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
All right?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Next up, Kaitlin Clark finally got her first one of
the in the WNBA Friday night against the Sparks.
Speaker 11 (38:23):
I was there tremendously.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
How she was not great for most of the game,
but when it mattered most in the club, she delivered
two step back threes. Just unbelievable. She had like a
standing ovation when they announced her name, like it was
packed sellout and you know, like NBA games, you're brewing
the opponent.
Speaker 11 (38:40):
Everybody was like cheering when Caitlin Clark made the shots,
and people just like her.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
She is very well liked. Cry was juiced up. That
was one shot right there. It was just like, oh
my gosh. And then she had another one inside had
been at two point games.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
She's the show.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I was telling my kids, watch her off the ball.
They're grabbing her, they're pushing her. She's just not backing down.
Speaker 11 (38:58):
It was It was a good.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Theater, Kaylin Clark fun.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
So they were cheering for Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 11 (39:02):
I think everybody is.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
People are rooting for it. She's exciting to watch. He's
great for the sport, the league. A lot a lot
of Herd fans in the arena Friday night and I
was able to watch the Mads Timberwolves game on my phone.
Speaker 11 (39:14):
Technology is just incredible.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I'm flying on a plane last night. I'm watching I
Got MAVs Tea Wolves, sitting there having a glass of wine.
Last hour and a half in the flight, watching an
incredible second half.
Speaker 11 (39:26):
Twenty years ago.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
What are people doing?
Speaker 11 (39:27):
My missing stuff?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
When you were you know, they were smoking sticks on
the plane, reading books and nothing, reading books and smoking sticks. No,
thank you, give me, give me TV.
Speaker 11 (39:37):
Did you watch any shows on the flights at all
or not?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I watched in the first hour, I watched man Hunt,
which is Acorn TV. He's a British last year.
Speaker 11 (39:46):
allD high brow.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Okay, got it seventies in British television.
Speaker 11 (39:50):
What a guy.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
The final story is Burminghea Stallions brought a fifteen game
winning streak dating back to last year's USFL season, but
the San Antoni O Brahmas they put an end to that,
down by nine with less than a minute to go.
Stallion's had an opportunity to tie things up, but instead
take a listen to how the game ended. Good pick fingertips, grab,
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nice catch U tease table.
Speaker 11 (40:29):
I remember that name.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I think the University of Florida baller picked off Adrian Martinez.
Speaker 11 (40:33):
I listen.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
I'm not a great throw by Martinez, but he's one
very good player.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Once these leagues merged, the Fox NBC League, in the
Rock League, there's some ballers.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yeah no, I mean you can watch this. There's some
NFL dudes on the field. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Title game is June sixteenth. Conference championships are.
Speaker 11 (40:51):
Coming up on June eighth and ninth.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I can't believe June is like the June practically year
now calendars is fine by but now i's had a
when I say that, right.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Got time flying by so quickly, not really, I mean.
Speaker 11 (41:04):
NFL is gonna be here.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I saw somebody texting me that like, there's like twelve
Sundays left to do the NFL.
Speaker 11 (41:08):
I was like, really already.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Hopefully you'll have most of them off and hanging out.
Jmck with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
All I watched.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I was off with Ann and on a beach somewhere,
and I watched the NBA stuff. But it is, you know,
you and I don't get a unplug much, you know,
because we're especially in the football season, like it's it's
Labor Day. Until February twentieth. You and I watched sports
every day and tape and watch and rewatch and uh
so occasionally you get these nights where there's no sports
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arm and uh you know, I watched all the NBA stuff,
especially the Western Conference stuff.
Speaker 11 (41:51):
You're gonna have a week coming up, Mike.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
We're gonna have a week coming up with no NBA
at night coming up. So this so sugar that you
talked about, we started it, so far, so good. I
watched Done two. Colin, please get on board. That movie
is amazing.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Is that like Dragons and sorcerers.
Speaker 11 (42:09):
No, there's no. I don't think they're dragons.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
There's it's futuristic stuff, but trust me, it's awesome futuristic stuff.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
So stuff that's not gonna happen, make.
Speaker 11 (42:18):
Believe in the future it will happen.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
I like real stories about real people.
Speaker 11 (42:22):
Manhunt is that real?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah? It was a It's a British thriller. It's a
fantastic Manhunt Acorn. It's real acting. Those Brits know what
they're doing. Heart three neck
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this Memorial Day. To all the men and women, the
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are in our thoughts today, you and your families who
have been part of this country and make great sacrifices
forever for the freedoms now we all possess. Thank you
on this Memorial Day. Jmac tom Brady's going to show
up in five minutes. We've got ourselves the MAVs looking
to close out Minnesota. That's got all sorts of issues
with Rudy Gobert's defense and Kat's offense. And then we
(01:08):
have the Celtics ready to close out a pesky and
fun and fast paced Indiana team that's not quite there
yet but has been competitive.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Your buddy Jason Tatum had a really nice end of
Game three. I think he had thirty six points, four
key assists in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
He was good, he was acception. That was his best
playoff game. Yeah, we do it every Monday. It's called
Colin right, Colin wrong, And here we go. Where Colin
was right, I said Luca on Tuesday last week, of
all the remaining players, was the best player. Yes, he
can be selfish, doesn't play well with everybody in his career,
(01:43):
but he leads the NBA playoffs and points assists, third
in rebounding indisputable. His degree of difficulty, even on his
made shots is like something I've almost never seen before.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
We were right on that where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
But I was wrong on the man. I didn't know
if they could beat the Clippers. I thought they'd losed
a young and fun OKC. I thought Minnesota would dispose
of them, probably in six or seven.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
But Gafford PJ.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Washington to go along with Luca and Kyrie have become
a really dynamic, energetic team that is tremendous if the
games aren't close late.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, I said Boston would get to the finals and
it would be sweeps or gentlemen sweeps. Throw in the injuries.
They're forty one and eleven against the East. Part of
it is the East is dreadful. The other part is
the Celtics are deep, resourceful, and they improved their coaching staff.
You are seeing what virtually everybody, including our show, predicted.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Ant is not quite ready to get to the finals.
It was very good against Phoenix and Denver. He has
struggled from the field team low plus minus. I love
watching him. I think he works really hard. I think
by the end of next year he could be the
face of the league with Wemby and maybe Luca. But
right now he's shooting thirty nine percent from the field.
(03:10):
He looks a bit tired, He's lost some energy and
at times on his jumper he's lost some confidence.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Where Colin was right, Robert.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Sala, according to reports, is going to get more involved
in the offense, which worries me. I talked about this
in the last couple of weeks with Nat Hackett. Since
Sala arrived three years ago. It's the lowest scoring offense
in the league, regardless of coordinator and quarterback. I like
Robert Sala, but I thought Hackett was Aaron's buddy, not
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an elite candidate.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
And here we are where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
The Suns, according to a reporter Evan Sidery, are hoping
to pursue Lebron James what get older and more expensive.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I don't get it. That one. I don't get at all.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I hope this kid it's got good sources, because I
do not understand even doubling down on this group. I
like Booker, but you could get a hall for him.
What you don't want to be in this league is old,
brittle and expensive, and KD. Beale and Lebron together, to
me is problematic.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Sean Peyton publicly this week we showed you earlier, came
out and said bo Nicks is ahead of schedule.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
This doesn't surprise us.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Bow Knicks at Auburn at Oregon insanely accurate. Sixty one
college starts in two good conferences, so you know what
you're getting and I also think the key with bow Nicks,
he looks like a Sean Payton quarterback. Where Colin was right,
Dj Moore, star receiver for the Bears, defended justin Field
(04:51):
to the end, and I said, wait until he has
a couple of practices with Caleb Williams and he's going
to be a Caleb Williams guy. This week, DJ Moore acknowledged, Yeah,
this guy's good.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I like him a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Pro athletes are mostly about winning, and some become later
in their careers about money. Sometimes they go hand in hand.
But Caleb Williams, in my opinion, is a transformative prospect.
You need help, you need production, you need the right coach.
But the kid is just different. Where Colin was right,
where Colin was wrong on a Monday, it's.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Tom Brady's around the corner.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
What what's funny about that Chicago situation is, and you
hear this all the time, is that a lot of
times you're with somebody at work in any workplace, and
you really like somebody and you think they're really good,
and you feel a responsibility to sort of defend them.
And I think Dj Moore felt a responsibility his buddy.
(05:52):
I mean when you're a star receiver and you have
a young quarterback. I mean you're you're sitting next to
each other on the plane at lunch like that's your guy.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
You need each other.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It's a timing position, a timing alliance quarterback and receiver.
But if you watch justin Fields play and you watch
Caleb Williams, Caleb gives you all the physical attributes, but
a much better thrower of the football. So that here's
DJ Moore talking about Caleb.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
He was a quarterback last year and now we got
Caleb and go right through h Ll and back with him.
So I'm just looking forward to Sanwiti prot out. You
can see the natural leadership is there, the natural arm
twn is there. Everything about him is just always a
positive thing. And you know when he has a bad
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like play, he's looking to learn real fast right after.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I mean, that's all you can ask them. Listen.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
In my life, my adult life, I could count on
one hand the times I felt the Chicago Bears had
elite offensive talent. I may be able to count that
on one finger. This is a rare Keenan Allen, DJ
Moore good offensive tackles DeAndre Swift, Gerald Everett Cole Comet,
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Caleb Williams. The defense played well last seven weeks of
the year, top five in the NFL. So it doesn't
happen very often where I look at Chicago and think, oh,
they could match up with the best offenses in the league,
like a Miami, Baltimore, San Francisco Rams. I can almost
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and I've said this before, think about this. It is
hard as the NFL has pivoted, and the fact that
young quarterback play right now, at least physically, is better
than it's ever been. They go to camps, the seven
on seven, the quarterback stuff, the quarterbacks come in, more starts,
more attention, more ready to play at least at a
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physical level. And the Bears have never had a quarterback
through for four thousand yards. Just take a deep breath
and think about that. Green Bay has hadultiple quarterbacks do
it in multiple seasons in the same division. So they're
just limitations on what Chicago should do. So Tom Brady's
getting checked in right now, and I'll tell you when
(08:11):
he's ready. All right, I'm gonna take a break. Tom
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Now.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
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Tom Brady joining us live now from an undisclosed location,
I'll just say it's nice. And he's got a better
studio than I do today. All right, twenty three years,
seven super Bowls, five MVPs. You said something recently, Michael Rubins,
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Michael Rubin's place, brilliant guy for fanatics, and you were there,
And I want to play this bite because I had
a little pushback on this roll that bite of Tommy.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You have fifty three guys on the team, and you
think it's about you, ainy about you. It's about us.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
And the biggest problem I see with a lot of
the young players today, you guys are making it too
much about I and me because of social media, because
of branding.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
And all that. It's fine, you're not going to win.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
There was a difference between being a star and being
a champion.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So I heard that and I said, in your era,
you may have had a star quarterback coming out of
college every five years and lay A Peyton Manning, but
even a big Ben was a nobody. Even you at
a Michigan you're battling for starts. Could I make the
argument that it's virtually impossible to come out of college
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now you're paid in il to come out of college
and not be a bit of a celebrity, that it's
harder to avoid those trappings today Tom that it was
in your era.
Speaker 10 (10:59):
Yeah, that's a great point. I really that kind of
hit home for me. When I went to the University
of Michigan. I forgot we had lost in one of
the playoff rounds and coach Harbought invited me back to
do a national signing day, and it was Jared Jeeter
was there, and they almost formatted the day at Michigan
as the NFL Draft, and all these kids were basically
(11:21):
coming from high school to college. And I remember leaving
there that day thinking that it was a great event
for the University of Michigan, and it was a really
cool event for a lot of the players and the
families who were being recruited out of high school. But
at the same time, I think we were doing a
real disservice to those young aspiring athletes because we were
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giving them so much fame and notoriety just for playing
high school football. And you're right, I think a lot
of the things that we see now because of really
the digital age and the proliferation of information spread so
quickly to every where, there are so many young high
school athletes that are getting notoriety and fame, and you're
(12:07):
just at such a young developmental type of age, and
it's just a challenging thing for your brain to wrap
your head around it so much. I think when I
look back to when I was coming out of college,
when I was basically getting into the pros, there were
such few outlets to cover you that you really felt
like you had to do a great job. You had
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to do great things to get noticed, and that was
really the motivation. Man If I could ever get on
the cover of a sports illustrated, if I could ever
get written about in the local paper, that will mean
that I did something really extraordinary, And that was a
not always the motivation, but that was really the effect
of what you put out as an athlete.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
And today it's obviously just so much different. So I
don't know.
Speaker 10 (12:52):
I think resilience and determination overcoming adversity. Yes, those are
really sustainable traits and players and athletes, leads and obviously entrepreneurs, businessman.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Look at you, look at all the things you've had
to overcome.
Speaker 10 (13:05):
And I just don't want us to give so much
to the younger generation before they really have the full
perspective on what those things mean for them. So I
recognize that change at Michigan that day. That was really
like a punch in the gut for me to go, Wow,
you know, we're probably gone a little too far with this,
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but you know, naturally the pendulum kind of swings and
swings back, and I just hope these young athletes can
really understand the what's really going to make their career,
not their brand or their physical ability, but their connection
with their teammates, their leadership ability, them wanting to put
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the team first above individual goals and recognition. When they
show up every day, they are thinking what can I
do to help the team win, because that's the most
fulfilling part about team sports is winning.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, it's funny, and Tom, I never want to disincentivize
my kids. I always had the rule of the three c's.
I said, if you could be curious compassionate and competitive.
You're gonna have a great life and nice. Competitive is
hard because Dad's gonna have a nice home, will go
on good vacations. And you were known to me of
your many gifts. You had the right height, you had,
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the work ethic, You're a smart guy. You're really competitive.
And I think to myself, you can't be competitive jet skiing.
How does Tom Brady? And in a weird way, I
think to myself, Oh, I get competitive the broadcasting thing,
because you're gonna get people take shots at you and
be snippets. So if you found yourself already with broadcasting,
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watching your tapes and getting hyper competitive, is that just
sort of who you are.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
There are definitely parts of me that are hyper competitive,
and certainly they were as a player and as an athlete.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
I love that competition. I relish that competition daily.
Speaker 10 (15:00):
I didn't give a shit if it was practice, if
it was a game, if it was ping pong, if
we were playing trashketball in the in the locker room,
I wanted to win.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
There's other parts where I feel like I've matured a
little bit and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely
competitive at everything. It's a little more selective. I think
if I want to put effort into something, then natural
I'll be Naturally I'll be more competitive at it because
I'll invest.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
It a little bit of my time, a little bit
of my.
Speaker 10 (15:30):
Energy into it. Certainly with the broadcaster. I don't think
for me it's about competition. I think it's for me
it's about did I put everything I could into it?
And I did I give the fans everything that they
tuned in for. And that's really how I end up
gauging myself and and I'll have to look at myself
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at the end of every Sunday night going did I
do a good enough job?
Speaker 8 (15:54):
Did I live up to the belief that Fox had
in me? Did I live up to the expectations.
Speaker 10 (16:00):
Of my teammates Kevin Burkhard and Aaron and Tom and
Richie's Ions and rich Russo and our entire truck, the
entire team. That's that's ultimately how I judge myself in
that new role.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, good guys to work for. I want you. I
just saw a story.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Sean Payton was texting me last night about bo Nix
and how happy he was with him, and then he
talked about it publicly, and we thought it was a
good fit because so much in life is fit. You know,
there's a million jobs our kids could get in the workforce,
But what fits your personality and your drive and your ascension?
And I thought bo I thought he was Drew Brees
with mobility. Neither throws a great deep ball, both a
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little undersized. And I want you to go back to
your first camp because I don't care if it's Michael
Pennix or it's Caleb. Now, Caleb's a little grooved in here.
You know, Denver doesn't have a great roster. You know
some of these kids, c J. Stroud had to wing
it on the fly a little bit. I want you
to You may have had nightmares about it and tried
to suppress these memories, But go back to your first camp.
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I don't you Tom Brady is nervous, but was their anxiety?
Were there times you thought I'm over my skis here?
Speaker 8 (17:08):
It's a great.
Speaker 10 (17:09):
Question, I think naturally, as an athlete, we're all going
to question as we move up to the next level.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
Are we capable?
Speaker 10 (17:15):
Are we enough? For most of the answers, I think
we don't know. We're going to have to wait and
see the development, and everyone asks me all the time
around the draft pre draft, which of these kids is
going to be the most successful.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
There's two answers.
Speaker 10 (17:33):
One it's up to them, and two is show me
the people that are around them and are helping to
develop them. It's not necessarily about someone's physical potential all
the time. So much of it is about can you
retain information, can you process it?
Speaker 8 (17:50):
Can you use the information?
Speaker 10 (17:51):
Are you willing to study and go through the intricate
details of the game, like Drew Brees was, like Peyton
Manning was, like Philip River was, like some of the
all time great John Elway was, some of the all
time great quarterbacks were.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
You could be very physically talented.
Speaker 10 (18:08):
You could absolutely go to the wrong fit and have
a coach instruct you to do things that are almost
impossible to do. You can't assume that what these young
athletes are being told that every coach is the same.
Some coach may have one perspective, another coach may have
another perspective. So why was I fortunate because I came
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into the Patriots when Bill Belichick was there, He's the
one that helped develop me. Charlie Weiss was there, he
helped develop me. Later in my career, Josh McDaniels was there.
He helped develop me.
Speaker 8 (18:42):
I could not have been the.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Player I was without people like that impacting my career.
My first year, I had Drew Bledsoe to look up to.
He took all the reps. I got to sit there
from behind and watch him every single day. I had
a real mentor to look up to, and Drew so
some of these teams and you look at Jordan Love
who I was watching some of those clips that you
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had on before I came on, But.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
He had Aaron Rodgers to watch.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
That's the best type of training, in my opinion, Watch
someone else do it at a very high level, and
then try to emulate them with your own personality. Maybe
a little bit of the misnomer with the draft is
that these players can come in and all of a
sudden become this great professional player before they've really had
the training and the development. And it was rare for
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quite a while for rookie quarterbacks to come in and play.
Maybe if you're the first overall pick, but not if
you're a second rounder, a third rounder. You had a
chance to be groomed. Well, we're not allowing them to
do that much anymore. Now we're throwing them out there,
let's see what you can do. And it's a really
challenging thing. If I was a young quarterback in this
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day and age to go out there with the pressure
of the agents and the families, the school rules, the
social media, the fans, the coaches, the owner, How did
these kids live up to that? I think it's a
real challenge for these these young quarterbacks. Hopefully they go
into a system that can embrace them, that can fit
in multitude they are. Hopefully they have coaches around them
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that can develop them in the best possible way.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So the Chiefs are looking to do something that's never
been done, and it's I grew up in the seventies,
so it's hard for me to believe. Sometimes the Steelers
didn't win three straight championships. You couldn't score on them.
Forget Swan and Bradshawn, Frank o'herrett, you couldn't score on them.
And then there were Raider teams with Stabler and the
Niners and the Cowboys in your teams. So I want
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you to go to the years that you won a
Super Bowl. Let's stay in New England because in Tampa
you brought everybody back, which can actually work the opposite,
whether you get too comfortable in New England. And Julius Edelman,
who's become a friend, talks about this. Could you tell
Tom in the camp after you won a Super Bowl?
(21:04):
Would there be days you'd be driving home thinking, man,
that was a bad practice. We got a Super Bowl hangover?
Did you fight that? Could you sense that.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
There was?
Speaker 10 (21:19):
To win a Super Bowl is extremely challenging, as we know,
even when you look the way the Chiefs won the
Super Bowl last year against the forty nine ers. It
was an incredible comeback so to speak. They played really
well at the end. The margin of air was razor thin. Yeah,
and that's the way it's going to be this year
for them as well.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
It's very rare.
Speaker 10 (21:40):
I mean I would played on an undefeated team. We
were the best team, I think, one of the best
in the history of football. In two thousand and seven,
we go to the Super Bowl. We played less than
our best game. The Giants play an awesome game and
they end up beating us. All these teams in the
NFL are very competitive, they're all well coached. The margin
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of there is raised orsin So to win one Super
Bowl is extremely difficult. To win two back to back
what the Chiefs have done. I mean, as we know,
in the history of the sport, nearly impossible to win
three in a row. There's a reason why no one's
done it. The reason why I haven't won three in
a row because it's hard to win one in a row.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
So to put three of those.
Speaker 10 (22:20):
Together in back to back to back seasons, with drafting
last a very hard schedule, all the turnover and free
agency guys continuing to be motivated, it's a big challenge.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
And that's nothing to say that the Chiefs couldn't accomplish that.
Speaker 10 (22:36):
Believe me, everybody would probably put them as one of
the odds on favor to do it. But even that,
there's not a fifty percent chance of that happening.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
There's way less than that.
Speaker 10 (22:46):
Those players are gonna have to show up every day,
they're gonna have to put the work in like they have. Fortunately,
they have a tremendous coach and Andy Reid who doesn't
ever look backward. He's not going to say, hey, you know,
we're gonna because we were great last year, we're going
to be great again this year. He has a very
veteran experience, championship level coach who holds those guys accountable.
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They've got a great quarterback in Patrick that as we
know when he's on the field, he's as great as
a football player there is in the NFL. Travis Kelce,
what he can do at the tight end position. It's
really a great safety. Blanka Rashid Rice coming on as
a rookie, Chris Jones. I mean, they've got Spagnulo back
there as a decordinator, so they have a lot of
great pieces. But to win it all again is a
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momentous task. No one's going to put it past them.
But we're all excited to show up and watch on
opening day and see what version of the twenty twenty
four Chiefs, what they can do, and the goals they
can set for themselves and whether they can reach them.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You know, one of the things you noticed, and again,
I think you're a compartmentalizer. I kind of sometimes watch you.
There are certain celebrities Jerry Seinfeld has this. I watch
your brain how it works and to isolate stuff, compartmentalize it,
become an expert at it. And that's why I think
you'll be very good at broadcasting. One of the things
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you identified in Tampa was we got to get a
right tackle. I need a blocking tight end. I want
to power running back. You identified because the roster was good,
but they had some holes. They had a very good
guard center guard Jensen. That was uh that was the
strength of the team, and really young linebackers, little young
in the secondary.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
But you identified clearly. You and the coaches.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Jason Light did one of the pushbacks I have said
on Aaron Rodgers, I said Stafford went to a great
old line, Tommy went to a great on line or
made it one. Russell Wilson did not, and Aaron did not.
And my belief is when you this is why Kirk
Cousins do. Atlanta works excellent young O line. I worry
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that when you get older, you got your money, you
may be married, you got you don't want to get
hit and that just that shaky O line to a
forty year quarterback off an achilles surgery. I remember the
year that you got hurt. You came back the first
six or seven games. I would watch you. You didn't
like people around your knees. I do think that all
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I care about the Jets is that O line. Does
that concern you with Aaron that it's either old dudes
or rookies and a lot of guys in their prime
on that on line.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
In New York.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
So in the offensive line is such an important part
of every great football team. If you show me a
great football team that doesn't have a great O line,
it's it probably doesn't exist very often. If you are,
you're pretty lucky and you better have incredible strengths every where.
So and the reason why is that offensive line is
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really they facilitate what happens on every run play.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
It's really up to them.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
Can they displace the line of scrimmage? Can they push
the d line back? And then in past in past
protection when it's a must throw situation, can we give
our quarterback a chance to stand in there comfortably and
make the reads? And when I've been playing against teams
that have good old lines, I can hear it in
the meeting rooms. I sit there in the front row
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of every Bill Belichick meeting for over twenty years. When
he was coaching our defense and we were playing a
good offensive line, I knew that it was going to
be a long, hard day for our defense because in
the run game. They were going to push us off
the ball. They were going to create holes in space
for them to run the ball well and possess it
running it, and when it was a must pass situation,
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that quarterback.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Would have a chance to stand in there and make
great reads.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
And on the flip side of that, when I heard
that our defense could tee off on that other old
line and we can really hold up in the run
game with not as many bodies as we needed to,
I knew we were going to get a chance to
force the quarterback and the mistakes, and we were going
to have the ball a lot in terms of possession
because they were going to be punning the football lot.
So choice is always made with I was fortunate I
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had a lot of great offensive lines in my career.
I played with guys I had a lot of confidence
them up front. Certainly, the center position is extremely important.
It's such a unique relationship the center and the quarterback have.
I loved all those guys I played with.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
They were up.
Speaker 10 (27:19):
Front, they were getting everyone coordinated, and when I felt
like they had things under control up front, it gave
me a lot of confidence to stand back in the pocket.
So choosing a good team with a good old line
is paramount to the success of a quarterback. You're not
going to have a good season if your offensive line
can't hold up in protection. And I know when I
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was at Tampa when we beat them in the Super Bowl,
the chief set is they really struggled upfront.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
They had a lot of injuries that year. Andy Reid and.
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Red Beach decided to come back, revamped that O line,
and they played tremendous football since they really invested in
their offensive line. Joe Tooney came on board last year,
they brought in Donovan smith yep, and they really revamped
that line. And look at the way Patshako ran. Even
though he wasn't a high pick. Patrick could stand in
there and make throws down the field.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
So they've got to continue to do that.
Speaker 10 (28:12):
All these teams need to make an investment in coaching
and coaching the O line and developing the O line,
and that's going to be the key to a lot
of offense success this year.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Okay, let's look at the schedule for Fox so it
gets released. We know you're doing the Cowboys Cleveland Browns game.
So you got a pretty high profile game there with
Dak Prescott, but if we show it on the screen
the Fox schedule. So when you play, you obviously watch
some stuff. Maybe if you have a late night game,
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you watch the Red Zone. But during your career, now
you're going to go headlong into this stuff. But during
your career, I sit with a notepad for eight hours
on Sunday. I've got no social life. How close did
you watch the other teams outside of film Tommy, and
I'm not talking about film study, I'm him and you
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didn't play in a lot of one o'clock games. You
were usually on the late games because they want to
get mister Brady on TV. How closely did you watch
personnel or have you had to play catch up?
Speaker 8 (29:17):
I watched every game.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
I tried to pay attention and follow every team every week.
It's that was our job. That was to understand the
whole league the perspective. Every game counts. Those games meant
whatever games, they meant a lot to the division standings. Ultimately,
because our team was very competitive, the conference standings were
very important. You didn't look too much beyond that, and
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we never talked about the playoffs and so forth. But
I knew what every division opponent was doing. Every week,
where there were upsets, where there were injuries, those were
all very important to the success of our team. You
have to win your division first. That's your best path
toward the second round of the playoffs is win your division.
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Of course, doesn't always need to happen that way, a
lot of teams have proven that wrong.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
But at the same time, if you beat if you
beat those other.
Speaker 10 (30:06):
Three teams in your division, you got a great chance
to advance to the second round of a playoffs. So
I paid attention then, I'm paying attention now all these
games We're going to have some perspective on as we
go through the season. I'm very excited about our Fox
slate that I'm involved in. We got some incredible games.
We got Chiefs at the forty nine ers looking forward
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to that. We got a bunch of Dallas games.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
We have Dallas and the Lions, some really Dallas and
the Ravens.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
I'm doing so a lot of the teams that I've
had a lot of familiarity with, but also having Dallas
on our roster is extremely important for They just draw
a lot of eyeballs and I'll be excited to cover
those games.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
We'll have fun with your fam look like I saw
one of your kids back there. Great seeing you, Tom.
I can't wait to see in the building. And I
know you're on vacation and I'm just taking time that
you would otherwise be having a good time, and I
appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Hey, great to be with you. Good to see you
working on Memorial Day.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
And thanks to all the incredible people and very resilient
families that have sacrificed a lot for us in this
great day that we celebrate with our families as kind
of the unofficial start of summer. So hope everyone's enjoying
their day.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
All right.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Tom Brady for twenty minutes, certainly appreciated that undisclosed location.
It does have a nice beach, you can tell from that,
you know, it's It's really interesting when you Tom paid
so much attention to when he played. And I can
remember one time years ago somebody asked Aaron Rodgers about
the Super Bowl and he goes, I didn't even watch it.
He's like, I wasn't in it. I was frustrated. I
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wasn't in it. Brady's just and this is why when
people say how will Tom be as a broadcaster, I
always say, well, people that are meticulous tend to be
good broadcasters. If you're very much into details, compartmentalizing, isolating, studying,
you'll be a good broadcaster. And you know, obviously you
need a good company, good marketing, you need a good partner.
It helps when you have good games. But generally when
(31:59):
people ask me, I say, if you're somebody that enjoys
the process of work and details, that's what broadcasting is.
It sounds like it's just eight seconds of saying something fun,
glibs smart after a play. It's a lot of details
and a lot of homework, and I suspect Tom's gonna
be really good at it. We'll do Herd line coming
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Speaker 1 (32:35):
Uh, Tom Brady stop by always appreciate that. So fired
up Dallas Cleveland. There's some good games on that Fox schedule.
You know it was funny because I relreally thought. I
started looking over all the schedules and I was like,
everybody got star quarterbacks. And then it dawns on me
that they're just more star quarterbacks once CJ. Stroud hit
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and you're like, oh, wow, CJ. Stroud's could And then
this year, I think we all all agree that Caleb
Williams and Jayden Daniels should at least be highly entertaining.
And then all of a sudden, Jordan loved. By the
end of the year, you're like, oh, that's what a
star quarterback looks like. Brought pretty two years ago, comes
from nowhere. Whether he's a star or not, he's highly capable.
And you start looking around and you're like, oh, we
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got four or five new guys. So it's when you
get a big brand, Green Bay and a star quarterback emerges,
networks put them on TV six times. So now all
of a sudden, Green Bay, you lose Aaron Rodgers. Oh no,
they have their next star quarterback. And then Philadelphia is
a big brand, they lose Carson Wentz. Oh it's Nick Foles. Well,
now Jalen Hurtz feels like a star quarterback. So that's
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why last year great ratings without Joe Burrow. There were
a lot of quarterback injuries. They're all back. Aaron's back,
Joe Burrow's back. You start looking at that gauntlet of
AFC quarterbacks, Anthony Richardson's back, Aaron's back, Burrow's back, Deshaun
Watson's back. The Jets could be on their back. Got
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to get off to a good star.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
J Marg with the news.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Now, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
All right, Let's go to the NBA.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Luca and Kyrie just totally dominating in the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 11 (34:13):
They're up three nothing.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
During the broadcast last night, stan Van Gundy said they
are the most talented backcourt in NBA history history.
Speaker 11 (34:22):
Colin Kyrie responded to that after the dub.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
It doesn't mean anything if we don't win a ring together,
you know. And I say that very responsibly to you know,
not saying that we aren't great now, but there are
other backcourts that are more deserving right now for that recognition.
And I think once we put a good run together
and we could look back on and reflect on it,
(34:46):
then that'll be our time. But right now, I want
to show a lot of respect to the guys that
have come before us and have actually did it, and
our time will.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Come saying all the right thing. There's like good Kyrie,
bad Kyrie, and he is good Kyrie for the last
six months.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So what is it.
Speaker 11 (35:03):
He's all grown up and he's just mature. Is he
a better place we don't know? Off the court.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Well, he just may be happier.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
He did a better place with his basketball, which is
part of his life.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So I ran into an NBA trainer at the gym Friday,
and you know, I know some of the guys he
works with.
Speaker 11 (35:17):
He works with someone on the maps, and I told
the story on my podcast. I hope I'm not outing anybody,
but I said, why is Kyrie all different? Why is
he locked in?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And he said, they're taking care of him. Apparently during
Ramadan they flew in a private chef to create all
the meals for Kyrie. Just keep him happy, right, keep
him locked in? And I said, well, why wouldn't the
Nets do that his last time?
Speaker 11 (35:38):
He was like, no, they didn't do They were running
like a business.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Harry, Oh, get a banana over there. You know Ramadan,
we're not doing private chef.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
So they Dallas is nurturing his off court. Think about now,
he's happy.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Fans could say, oh, it's coddling.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
But in the.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
NBA, winning one series gives you three or four more
home games does an NBA team does the owner pocket
two and a half million per home game? So you
say to yourself, oh, they flew in a private jet.
It was like two hundred thousand dollars. It's the star
is deliberate. It's not like Kawhi that's never available or
(36:15):
James Harden that doesn't give you wins in May and June.
If Kyrie is responsible for you getting past a Denver
or an OKC and has huge games down the stretch,
I'm flying in whatever he needs to be happy. That's
different than just coddling players like you got a guy
now when he's in the right headspace, he's a remarkable
(36:36):
player to.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
The point by stan Van Gunney, and I thought it
was a tremendous point.
Speaker 11 (36:40):
I hadn't really thought of it.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Like Steff Curry and Klay Thompson has been up there
as one of the best backcourts ever.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
But they were never considered the two best closers in
the playoffs. One was a catch and shoot guy. One
was the greatest three point shooter ever, so Shaq and
Kobe to me, well, no, that's not a back quot no,
but I mean that's the only time in my life
where the two best closers in in the sport.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
We're on the same team.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Shackdown low, Kobe perimeter and the did You could argue
there was somebody in Wade that Wade is a great athlete,
he wasn't a great closer, and at that point in
Lebron's career there were a lot of questions about his
ability to close. He was just a great player. Wayne Wayneless,
I mean, Luke and Kyrie are great closers. I mean
those games last night are like one o three, one
oh three, and then it's a six point game.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
You can't stop. Luca went, oh, you just can't.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
When that game was tied late, did you ever think
Minnesota was gonna win?
Speaker 11 (37:30):
I did not, because you know, I'm locked down on
the maths.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
But it just felt like, oh, it's Luca against anton Cat.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I'm gonna take Luca and Kyrie.
Speaker 11 (37:36):
By way, where's your guy? Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
He was excellent against Phoenix and Denver. He's had a
couple of good games in this series. Why don't you
blame cat for not Rob CAP's been in this league
for a decade, I think, and it's a kid.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
The big picture is better offense feats better defense all
the time.
Speaker 11 (37:53):
Oh well, he's going with the better.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Offense and Lucas and in the in the even though
the NBA is swallowing the whistle in the postseason, guys
are still getting there.
Speaker 11 (38:03):
The way, who are you building around Luca or Yokis?
I give you first pick who Jokic is really good?
And I've been consistent.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I'm going Luca at least top six.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
All right?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Next up, Kaitlin Clark finally got her first one of
the in the WNBA Friday night against the Sparks.
Speaker 11 (38:23):
I was there tremendously.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
How she was not great for most of the game,
but when it mattered most in the club, she delivered
two step back threes. Just unbelievable. She had like a
standing ovation when they announced her name, like it was
packed sellout and you know, like NBA games, you're brewing
the opponent.
Speaker 11 (38:40):
Everybody was like cheering when Caitlin Clark made the shots,
and people just like her.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
She is very well liked. Cry was juiced up. That
was one shot right there. It was just like, oh
my gosh. And then she had another one inside had
been at two point games.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
She's the show.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I was telling my kids, watch her off the ball.
They're grabbing her, they're pushing her. She's just not backing down.
Speaker 11 (38:58):
It was It was a good.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Theater, Kaylin Clark fun.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
So they were cheering for Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 11 (39:02):
I think everybody is.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
People are rooting for it. She's exciting to watch. He's
great for the sport, the league. A lot a lot
of Herd fans in the arena Friday night and I
was able to watch the Mads Timberwolves game on my phone.
Speaker 11 (39:14):
Technology is just incredible.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I'm flying on a plane last night. I'm watching I
Got MAVs Tea Wolves, sitting there having a glass of wine.
Last hour and a half in the flight, watching an
incredible second half.
Speaker 11 (39:26):
Twenty years ago.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
What are people doing?
Speaker 11 (39:27):
My missing stuff?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
When you were you know, they were smoking sticks on
the plane, reading books and nothing, reading books and smoking sticks. No,
thank you, give me, give me TV.
Speaker 11 (39:37):
Did you watch any shows on the flights at all
or not?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I watched in the first hour, I watched man Hunt,
which is Acorn TV. He's a British last year.
Speaker 11 (39:46):
allD high brow.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Okay, got it seventies in British television.
Speaker 11 (39:50):
What a guy.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
The final story is Burminghea Stallions brought a fifteen game
winning streak dating back to last year's USFL season, but
the San Antoni O Brahmas they put an end to that,
down by nine with less than a minute to go.
Stallion's had an opportunity to tie things up, but instead
take a listen to how the game ended. Good pick fingertips, grab,
(40:27):
nice catch U tease table.
Speaker 11 (40:29):
I remember that name.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I think the University of Florida baller picked off Adrian Martinez.
Speaker 11 (40:33):
I listen.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
I'm not a great throw by Martinez, but he's one
very good player.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Once these leagues merged, the Fox NBC League, in the
Rock League, there's some ballers.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yeah no, I mean you can watch this. There's some
NFL dudes on the field. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Title game is June sixteenth. Conference championships are.
Speaker 11 (40:51):
Coming up on June eighth and ninth.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I can't believe June is like the June practically year
now calendars is fine by but now i's had a
when I say that, right.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Got time flying by so quickly, not really, I mean.
Speaker 11 (41:04):
NFL is gonna be here.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I saw somebody texting me that like, there's like twelve
Sundays left to do the NFL.
Speaker 11 (41:08):
I was like, really already.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Hopefully you'll have most of them off and hanging out.
Jmck with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
All I watched.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I was off with Ann and on a beach somewhere,
and I watched the NBA stuff. But it is, you know,
you and I don't get a unplug much, you know,
because we're especially in the football season, like it's it's
Labor Day. Until February twentieth. You and I watched sports
every day and tape and watch and rewatch and uh
so occasionally you get these nights where there's no sports
(41:46):
arm and uh you know, I watched all the NBA stuff,
especially the Western Conference stuff.
Speaker 11 (41:51):
You're gonna have a week coming up, Mike.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
We're gonna have a week coming up with no NBA
at night coming up. So this so sugar that you
talked about, we started it, so far, so good. I
watched Done two. Colin, please get on board. That movie
is amazing.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Is that like Dragons and sorcerers.
Speaker 11 (42:09):
No, there's no. I don't think they're dragons.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
There's it's futuristic stuff, but trust me, it's awesome futuristic stuff.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
So stuff that's not gonna happen, make.
Speaker 11 (42:18):
Believe in the future it will happen.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
I like real stories about real people.
Speaker 11 (42:22):
Manhunt is that real?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah? It was a It's a British thriller. It's a
fantastic Manhunt Acorn. It's real acting. Those Brits know what
they're doing. Heart three neck
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