January 8, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about Aaron Rodgers and wrong about the Packers
Thoughts on the end of the NFL regular season
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His Arizona Wildcat came the closest to beating Washington in
the Pac twelve. He's an offensive guy. He's also been
on a Jim Harbass staff before, so he knows Washington
and Mission. And we went and found the coach who
would know. I've known Jed for a long time. They
had a great season, beat Oklahoma in a bowl game.
So our last twelve minutes fifteen minutes of the show,
we're talking Washington and Michigan, which I'm all fired up for.
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I think it's going to be a classic. I think
it's gonna be an all timer.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Line ticking up just a notch five and a half
currently Michigan, so it's been going up all week. Just
leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Well, whatever lines aren't always.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Right, always right?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Why do you people like Miami last night? It's me
with Colin right, Colin wrong? On a Monday, here we
go where Colin was right? What a year for the
blazing five three and two. We took the Giants to
beat Philly, the Bills to beat Miami in Arizona to cover.
Should have won, they missed two field goals. Another winning week,
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thirteen of the last fifteen weeks five hundred or better.
We just had a heck of a year. We really did.
Proud of it. Staff. Everybody capped it off the way
we shed with a win last night Buffalo on the road,
although it was kind of a home game where Colin
was raw. Listen, I bailed on Jordan Love. In October,
Green Bay finished nine to eight, made the playoffs. I
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did not see them as a playoff team. I thought
they'd buy with Chicago for third and fourth place. Very
very young team. But Jordan Love's last ten games, he's
been terrific, throwing with confidence. Boy, that receiving crew is
something else. Matt Lafleur deserves a ton of credit. He
should be in the Coach of the Year. A candidate
grouped so I was wrong on the Packers better than
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I thought in congrats playoff team. With that kind of offense,
they get a puncher's chance against the.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Cowboys, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Everybody bailed on the Bills about seven weeks ago. I
did not. After they lost to Philly in overtime, I said,
they're developing a run game. They always play real defense.
Josh Allen's gonna be fine, and they're all lines not terrible. Listen,
They're a flawed team. Josh Allen has the ability, however,
to burrow through and blow through his mistakes. I like
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this team. I think they end up in the AFC Championship.
I have stayed with him through all of moves and turbulence.
The Bills are to me as fun a watch as
the league has. Where Colin was raw well, Sean Peyton
and Denver. Listen, they're better. You can't deny that the
offense is better. But it wasn't as good as I thought.
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This thing just never worked. They lost yesterday. The offense
is ranked twenty sixth points their nineteenth Russell Wilson, it
is what it is, but it was it just was
a little ugly from the start. Sean Payton, not happy
went public with it. It's it's a bigger lift than
I think everybody thought. It's just a bigger lift, and
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it didn't work as quickly as I predicted it would.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
The Jets finished in third, and that's exactly where I
predicted it. This organization's got an impulsive ownership group a
week Oh Line. They've got some nice defensive personnel, but
they don't have enough skill. And frankly, Aaron Rodgers is
past his prime. I don't think he's good enough to
solve all the issues. And he addressed the media about
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his future and the future of this organization.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Anything that doesn't have anything to do with winning needs
to be assessed. When you step in the building, there's
intentionality with everything that you do, and it's not a
half the time thing. It's not a sometimes thing. It's
not most of the time thing. It's an every time thing.
If you want to be a winning organization and to
put some position to win championships and be competitive, everything
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that you do matters, and it has nothing to do
with winning. Needs to get out of the.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Building, like weekly conspiracy theories. Good boy, Where Colin was right?
Bill Belichick tone deaf? Two years, three years. We've been
on it, folks. Five games this year they didn't score
a touchdown. Build him a statue. People get too caught up.
It's like we all collected baseball cards as kids, so
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we all love the past in sports. New England's bad.
They're not just a quarterback away. This organization is tone deaf.
Where Colin was raw? Why are the Jags so bad?
They unraveled, lost five of their last six. I had
them as a potential number one seed. I don't have
the answers. Sloppy, uneven, I don't know what they are.
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They've got some talent, but Trevor Lawrence regressed? Is it coaching?
Is it him? Is he all in? Usually you can
spot the problem. They were eight and three at one
point on the season. Eight and three. That's pretty good, right,
they lost five of their six to close it and
often look uninspired and unfocused.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Where Colin was right, I never.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Really bought into the Miami Dolphins hype. I predicted they'd
be a wild card playoff team like Mike McDaniel a lot,
and I think two is more than capable, and Tyreek
Hill and Jade and Waddle are spectacularly talented. But I
kept calling them the fake Gucci bag in the spray
tan of the NFL. You're trying to be something you're not.
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They fool people with offense. Offense is always glamorous when
the weather's good in September in early October. This league
is built on toughness December and January football. And I
just never bought into Miami as a Super Bowl contender.
I always did with Buffalo. Where Colin was right, I
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picked the Huskies over Texas and Michigan over Alabama, and
that is the Natty we have tonight. I think Michigan's
a better team. I think they looked like a national
champion with fifteen to eighteen NFL players, But Washington is
so gifted at quarterback, wide receiver, coach, coordinator, and rush end.
They do match up with Michigan Washington is a team
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I was lucky enough to see in person against Oregon.
That was the throw in that game. But I've watched
Michigan all year, and without their coach on the sideline,
they were six and oh this year, and I thought,
barring a special team's collapse against Alabama, I thought they
were clearly the better team. So I do think they
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win tonight by about a touchdown, but I can't wait
to watch it. Washington. I could not tell you the
last game they lost. They are twelve and oh in
the last twelve games decided by one possession, which is
unheard of. Eight to o in one possession games this year,
twelve and oh in their last twelve. So if it's close,
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Washington probably wins it. But I think Michigan will feel
like and look like the better team tonight. Where Colin
was right, where Colin was wrong. And let's bring on
the four time pro bowler, thirteen year NFL career and
now a Fox analyst, Michael Victor the show on a Monday.
By the way, we'll get to that game in a second.
You have been in that big game, if I recall
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it was Virginia Tech Florida State. So I want to
get into that in about ten minutes. The nerves of
all these young guys. Yeah, so listen. You know Philadelphia,
you know the culture when I watch a team and
it was pretty gutless. I mean it looked like guys
weren't ready to play. What happens to a team that
at one point I think they were ten and one?
Is it coaching? I mean they have players. What do
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you see with Philadelphia?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
You know, it's it's the consistency first of all.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
You know guys, you know they used to having playing
a certain brand of football, and it was evident last
year that you know, when they stepped on the field offense, defense,
special teams, they was going to dominate the game. When
you lose coordinators, you know, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, you know,
because I can try to go back to what actually
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happened to this football team, and you know, when everybody's
learning something new and you're getting defensive looks where you've
been studyed, you know the off season, you know, sometimes
it's not as smooth, it's a little turbulent, and so
you know, this is a team that's trying to find
their way. It feel like they've lost confidence along the way.
Oh yeah, because that can happen. You know, when things
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aren't going your way and you got these teams coming in.
The opposition is really you know, getting till you're getting
the best of you. You can't figure it out. You
know that doubt starts to creep in and it happens
to everyone. You know, a lot of teams go through
this phase where you got to find a way to
work yourself out of it.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
And it's not the easiest thing to do.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So Green Bay goes to Dallas. They are the youngest
playoff team. They're one of the youngest playoff teams ever. Know,
the advantage is they don't know what they don't know, right,
go back to your playoff games where they older teams,
younger teams. I think if you're gonna beat Dallas in Dallas,
you either have to be great Baltimore, yeah, or maybe
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young playing with house money. Free go yeah, just say
go back to your career. Young teams playoff. Do you
think they have a shot.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
I remember going into Green Bay in two thousand and
two when you know, we felt like we was playing
with house money. Made the wild card find a way
to get.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I remember that game was.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
And just play loose free, you know.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
I felt like as a second year quarterback with making
the playoffs was a big milestone.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And so what did the coaches say going into that game?
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Just go and you know, just play your hearts out.
Don't worry about making too many mistakes, you know. To me,
Dan Reeves said, look on the other side and look
at the guy you're playing against. I'm pretty sure you
idolyzed that guy and Brent farvv. Now you have a
chance to go head to head with him. Make the
most out of it. Make it a memorable moment. And
that's what I remember going into that game knowing and
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first drive we were straight down the fit and scored
and that right there turned us up.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
It was super leitty from there. You remember it, well,
oh yeah vividly.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
That's the biggest games in your biggest wins.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
In your career. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
I remember Arthur Blank coming to me after the game saying,
you only twenty two when you won your first playoff game.
I'm thinking to myself, look, that's the first of many,
you know, regardless of age. Divisional round next week. I
got it, you know, NFC championship game. I got it, so,
you know, I was just stoked in the moment, and
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I understand what it's like to work hard, to be
doubted throughout the season for the right reasons, and then
to be able to turn it around and show that, look,
we're a lot better than what people thought, and we
worked hard to be in this position.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
You know, it's interesting when I watched Jordan Love, same guy,
but he wasn't very good in October. Same players, same playbook,
same coach, and he's good now. I think we forget this.
I remember watching a Rod, one of the great baseball
players ever, was there. He got into his head and
it was a series I think against Detroit and then
the Battom eight, like he just couldn't. Yeah, and I'm
thinking to myself, Jordan Love is the same guy, same playbook,
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same same everything. He looked so much more for that.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
I think it was what maybe two months ago when
I said here in this chair, we talked about some
of the flaws and things that we've seen in Jordan
Love's game that we thought needed to improve, you know
a couple of different things, accuracy, footwork, you know, just
sitting down on his throws and that's all changed over
the last two months.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I don't know if he was listening.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
I don't know if he heard us, but whatever happened,
it started to click for him. You know, you're looking
at the guy who was really peeking at the right
time when his team need him the most. Got to
give a lot of credit to Matt Lafleur for pouring
into this young man, helping him understand what the game
of football is about. And I guarantee you a lot
of the experiences that Jordan's had this year he's drawn
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back on from.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
You know, sitting behind Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
You're a great quarterback who you can watch for four
quarters and see him go through, you know, the whole
paradigm shift of what it takes to win and then
be able to pull it out.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
That goes a long way.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So you know, I've defended Josh Allen. I've said Lamar
Jackson and Josh Allen are so gifted that they can
just overcome mistakes. And I this is something I talked
about with coaches for years. When you have somebody that's gifted,
don't over coach him. Yeah, like you just get Joe
Namath was gonna throw picks. Aikman was gonna throw picks.
Josh Allen made a pick in the end zone last night.
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I'm like, brother, what are we doing here?
Speaker 6 (13:20):
I felt the same.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So, but there is there is something. I mean, I
don't know, even a little John Elway. When you watch him,
what do you see?
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Oh yeah, I'm always made the you know, Cam Newton
comparison to to Josh Allen, you know, definitely the John
Alway comparison. That's more so my Patrick Mahomes comparison John Alway.
But you're looking at a guy who you know has
been transcended to the position. You know, he does things
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week in and week out that you know, we we
expect to see because he's showing us on the continuous
basis how you know he operates when the game is
on the line, whether he got to put his team
on his back or you know, whether he's going to
playing through the system.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
He can do it all. And that's the that's the
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Did Andy read what was Andy's perception of you coaching
you but staying out of the way.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Yeah, Andy knew that.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
It was times where you know, I was going through
things outside of you know what the yeah, what the
structure of the offense consisted of. Conceptually, you know, I
made sure I understood, you know, everything that could take
advantage of what the defense was presenting to us. And
so when you have these great quarterbacks who you know,
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you can sit and watch from a from the sideline
and see, okay, this play was designed to you know,
go to one and two and he went to three
right off the back based on the coverage. You know,
that's the process of elimination. Those the things that you know,
allow a coach to give his young quarterback at liberty
to run the offense. And so Josh has earned that
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He's shown on continuous is that.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
You know, the more the game is on the line,
the better he performed.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
So it's what's interesting. They always called the rest versus
rust theory. So if I was Baltimore, like San Francisco's
got some older dudes, Christian Trent Williams, right, if I
was Baltimore, I'm not sure I want a week off. Uh,
go into the head of Lamar Jackson, who you're close with,
You've talked with. I what I worry about with Baltimore
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is their physicality and their speed like I want them
to play. I don't think a week off is great
for them.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah, a week off of some of them, actually two
weeks if you put it in respective, I don't love it,
you know, Yeah, I just think rhythm is everything actually
said on I so yesterday, you know, depending on you
know what year the guy's in. I think Lamar's in
the sixth year. Now you know that, you know you
want him to get rest. You know, you want to
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keep everybody out at harm's way, And I would just
be distraught if I lost a player, you know, based
on trying to keep the momentum going. So you know,
it's really no definitive answers.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
What were your coaches mostly for because you.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Were Andy was about rest, and Andy was about getting rest.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Did you fight it? Did you push back?
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Never thought it, Never pushed back.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
I trusted his decision making, and most of the players
won't rest anyway.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
So you know, like, if you go out there and.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
You injure something and it's something that could have been avoided,
then I just think it just creates a whole detrimental situation.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
All right, So I want to talk about Washington and Michigan.
So you played in the National Championship, and like Washington,
Florida State probably had better players. Michigan's got better overall players,
but Virginia Tech and Washington had this quarterback, and I
think it can create pressure, although Washington is stacked at
wide receiver. Go back to this game, how nervous were
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you for you went in as if I recall the underdog.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Yeah, we was the underdog.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
And all I can remember was the first drive, just
not being able to be myself like I was, you know,
a little bit distraught.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
It was.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
It was really loud. You know, I'm screaming my cadence
to the top of my along side. I had like
a mini migraine throughout the first quarter, and I just
wasn't feeling like myself. Actually went down on the first possession,
great drive and came out the wrong way on just
a simple handoff.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
To the fullback.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
And you know, I think that was because my mind
wasn't clear and I made a mental mistake early. And
it was because of the magnitude of the game and
Florida State on the other side and all these amazing
players that I knew I was gonna have to navigate
for four quarters. And so it was a very overwhelming
in the beginning. I settled down and then the game
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came around. But you know, you're looking at two guys
tonight and AJ McCarthy and Michael Pennick, who.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
You know got the experience.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
You know they've you know, they've been in these highly
you know, measure games before where you know it's a
lot at stake and it's a lot on the line.
He just went through it last week. So these pressure
back situations they're ready for.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So Pennix is a lefty, and we've had Mark Brunell
was a lefty, and we've had lefties. Steve Young was
a lefty. Most aren't, so just I never think much
about it. To me, Pennix is a beautiful thrower too.
Is a lefty? Your thoughts about Penix? What you see
being a left hander? Does now obviously Washington has a
first round left tackle, but he can see that rusher. Yeah,
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is being a lefty? Did you always look at an
advantage or not?
Speaker 7 (18:45):
I didn't think it was an advantage at all. I
always felt like a lot of my office of coaches
was so used to catering to right handed quarterbacks that
it was just a mental challenge for everyone. Like I
used to tell coach coach raid all the time, Coach,
you can we can do some things to the right,
and you can roll me right a little bit. I'm
more comfortable doing that. And you know, they play it
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safe and they try to cater to your strength. So
you know, it's always weird when I watch another left
handed quarterback because I'm so used to watching right handed quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
What do you make the player?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
I love his accuracy, I love his ball placement. He
surprised me last week, didn't surprise me, but having a
chance to really watch him through and through, I thought
his pocket presence and his movement in the pocket made
the difference in the game against Texas. The ability to
move and just create that extra half a second or
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you know, allow your guys downfield to move and get
in the position where they you know, they moving into
the next zone, or they you know, they separating versus man.
You know, after you got a little pressure in the pocket.
I felt like that was his biggest attribute in the
game and probably the biggest reason why they won.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
JJ McCarthy, it's a run first program. Were you ever
on a team when you knew just don't screw it?
Speaker 8 (20:02):
Up.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Pennix is going to have to play great to win.
JJ McCarthy isn't. It's a totally different assignment. Were you
ever on a team like that.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Yeah, at Virginia Tech, we was run oriented and we
had a hell of a run game ahead and great
special great special team. So I knew I led the
nation in passing officially that year and with like one
hundred and you know, seventy three attempts for the entire season.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
So you know, that was the basis of our game.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
We was gonna come in, We was gonna beat you up,
We was gonna pound on you, and then at some
point we was gonna go play action to Andre Davis
and find those guys, you know, allow those receivers to
work and get open. So you know, being in the
offense is run oriented. It definitely limits what you have
to do and can enhance your performance a lot because
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the run game really takes precedent.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, finally, we've got graphics also that we have the
playoffs in the first round, so we know who's favored
flow like by ten over the Steelers, So there's going
to be an upset. We know this in the first round.
So Cleveland is favored over Houston. So as we look
at the wild Card schedule and I say to you,
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Brown's at CJ. Stroud in the Texans, your initial guess.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
Is CJ's stepping up and playing big like I've seen that,
you know, this past weekend and in the biggest moment
of his young career, being able to step in and.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Play with so much poise.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
We watch quarterbacks every week and you just don't see
the poise in some guys, whether it's easy you know,
whether it's a rookie or it's.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
An eight year vet. Now, some guys just be a
little uneasy.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
In this kid, I feel like he has the backing
and he knows that his teammates got his back, and
he got a coach and the defense is gonna give
him opportunity.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
So his mind is really an ease.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Okay, So you like the Texans Dolphins in that five
degree weather in Kansas City?
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Who you know, chance, No Kansas City, These destroyers Miami.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
But I do expect it to be competitive.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
We know Tyreek Hill is gonna bring that edge, and
obviously he gotta pour some of that onto tour and
if they're gonna have any shot to it's gonna have
to play be a game.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Breaker, yet have to play one of his games of
the year Steelers at Buffalo Pittsburgh. It'd be hard for
a Mason Rudolph to win on the road.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
I'm I'm such a Mason Rudolph fan because of just
the you know, the path that he's had to take
to get to where he can show that he can
still play in the National Football League. And I think
he's earned himself some money. I don't know if the
buck stops here in terms of not getting past Buffalo.
I think it's anybody's game. Pittsburgh defense is gonna show
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up and come to play. We know that, so it'll
it'll be a low scoring game, and it's gonna be
a grinder.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Okay, Dallas hosting the youngest team green Bay. Now Dallas
is favored. The one thing I worry about Dallas is
Jerry Jones didn't even give Mike McCarthy of voter confidence.
Do you think the pressure gets to Dallas it's on
Fox or do they win?
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Man, you got a sneaky good Green Bay team that's
coming into town with a bunch of young players with
a lot of energy, who's learning how to win and
got a taste of it and got a quarterback that's believing.
That's scary. So for Dallas they would have to start
fast and get up on Green Yeah, they got to
get up on Green and Green Bay got guys on
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defense that make plays that they're flying around the ball,
they getting sacks, getting to the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Kenny Clark and those guys.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
You know, they kind of flew under the radar all year,
but this week on the big stage, we're good to
see what they can do.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
And finally Rams at Lions are beat up man that
Ram offense.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
It was just good to see c J. Garden to
Johnson back in the lineup. For Detroit, I felt like,
you know, they was really depleted on the defensive side
of the ball. But with Matthew Stafford coming into town
and you know he's a wire revet who knows how
to win, that's scary for Detroit.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
And finally Philadelphia, do they snap out of it or
do you like Baker Mayfield at home, they didn't look
great yesterday they won. Where do you go on that?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
And just trying to figure out what happened yesterday.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
I'm gonna take it, you know, with a grain of
salt that we just kind of pulled our starters early
in the game yesterday, And you know, I was a
little disappointed in the performance yesterday. I didn't get to
see the entire game. I don't know if who was
out there, you know, what starters were out there. But
I'm looking forward to us getting it turned around in
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the playoffs and you know, just erasing everything that happened
during the twenty twenty three regular season and focusing on
the twenty twenty three playoffs and letting the season start
this weekend.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
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Happy New Year.
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Speaker 6 (25:13):
On the news.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
So yes, you were correct on Buffalo last night against Miami. Listen,
the Dolphins had a chance to win the division for
the first time in geez like almost fifteen years, and
they let down.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
They were leading in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I was disappointed in Miami, but their entire second half
column they had zero first downs until the final drive.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Well, ask yourself this, go look at two his numbers
first half scripted plays with his brilliant coach, and two
his second half numbers. And that's the difference between good
quarterbacks and great ones. All Right, now you trail, or
now you lose your left tackle, or now you're not
(25:54):
on script. That's when Josh Allen took the game over
to his second half numbers this year are bad.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That we saw last week.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Baltimore adjusted, we're gonna take away the middle of the field.
Go ahead, We dare you to throw it to the outside.
And he can't do that.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And you know to we talked about the loss, which
is just devastating.
Speaker 8 (26:12):
I think we did have opportunities. We just didn't make
the best out of those opportunities when we had them. Misthrow,
miscommunication on some plays.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
You just can't do that. I mean, no one's gonna
feel sorry for us.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
There's a lot of other teams that have injuries that
are going through some tough deals, so we're not making
any excuses. No one's gonna make any excuses for us.
You just got to come back next week and be ready.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I thought they got some officiating breaks two things in
the first half, and I don't blame officials. Buffalo was
the better team and I felt that the whole night.
But there was the blown PI. They didn't call the PI.
Alan throws a pick in the end zone. Next play
when he was grabbing the receiver, just a blown miscall all.
So in the final play of the half of the
Bills it was a helmet to helmet hit and I'm
(27:05):
sitting there thinking time out. That's another play. So I
thought those were those weren't small misses. Those were big
misses by the officials that I think would have I mean,
you would have the Bill scoring two extra touchdowns in
the first half potentially.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
So two weeks ago, before that Ravens loss, we both
sat here and said, man, Dolphins are going to be dangerous.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I do not want to.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
See the dog out of the plank.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
They are.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Well, they lose Chubb and then last night Dan Grinkle
goes down, waddles out. You know, we don't know what's
up with Xavi and Howard, Like this defense just doesn't
have guys anymore.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Colin, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
This is stat I just saw the coldest game two
has ever played in was twenty nine degrees and he
lost this one. It's led to be zero degrees this
weekend in Kansas City. I took the under and I'm
on the Chiefs at three.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Here's the air thing.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Whenever they play a winning team, what happens to the offense?
Fourteen at home against Buffalo. Their losses are on the
defensive side with pass rushers against Baltimore, very interesting first quarter,
and then they dry up against winning teams.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Not great.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
The Dolphins have a minus ninety one point differential and
they allow thirty three. This is jock Man, This is
a spray tan and this is a lot of just
hype from the media.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
I did like Miami. They were out gaming by like
two hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
As you said, end zone interception, the stopped at the
one yard like this could have easily been Buffalo by
twenty easily should have been Colin Listen, I was asking
Mike Vick about it, but this whole like to a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I like I like.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Tua, great kid.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I'm not given a healthy all season would alway concussion.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You gotta draft a quarterback somewhere in the drive.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I've already floated it last week on the pot.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I'm telling you I move on. I try to trade
Ta and I would trade up in the draft. Give
up whoever you got to get, and you get Michael Pennix.
He's a better version of to a Joe Latt told
us here last week. He's bigger, better army, can make
all the throws to what cannot throw outside the hackmat.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
He can't do it.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
He struggles.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I mean it was brutal.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Anyways, all right, let's move on to the Raiders. Listen,
nobody here. Antonio Pierce just delivering left and right. I
think my guess is they're gonna keep Oh. I think
they're gonna give him the job, right. You know what, Listen,
it's not that defensive coaches can't work. Demiko Ryans, Mike
Tomlin made the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Again.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
We're not saying Sean McDermott. I do think to be
a defensive coach and successful, you gotta have a greater quarterback. Well, CJ.
Stroud looks amazing and Sean mcdermot's got Josh Allen Hardball's
got Lamar. I don't think I think an offensive coach
can get to the playoffs with an OH generally an
(29:43):
okay quarterback, generally a little less of a quarterback, or
have to play a backup for six weeks. So they
have got to get the They have got to get
the quarterback right. But we do have a history in
this league defensive coaches who build that side with good
quarterbacks win a lot a lot of playoff games.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
They do.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I mean, they seem to be building around a run game, right, Yeah,
they got the running Jacobs gets hurt, they put in
the backup White and he's crushing it.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Like listen, I like him. The crowd was chanting ap
at the end of the game. They like him and
the players love him.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
DeVante Adams remember earlier this season, was like talking about, hey, hey,
we gotta fix some things. Maybe I get out of here.
Now he's like Antonio Pierce.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
He's the guy.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I just it's tough for me to get upside in
that division because you need an OC and you need
a quarterback, and bill if the OC thrives after a year,
he's gonna be looking at jobs, Like did you see
the media? You see what the media does, right, Rapaport
ch After all these guys, Bobby.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Slowick in Houston, what a season he's at.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
He's gonna get.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Head coaching offers, Like had one season with Trout, can
we give him a second?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Like Ben Johnson's gonna leave Detroit.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Well that's an agent calling the media guys.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
But they're around the league. They're gonna look like Jeez,
Stroud had a good year and then you.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Got to replace the OC. So I know it's a
tough one for the Raiders. Final story is tonight's game.
Michigan Washington talk about Jim Harbaugh's future. Over the last
few weeks, He's focused on Washington and Michael Pennox and
what beating them would mean for his players a chance.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
It would mean so much.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
I mean, it would for our players, you know, for
them to know what it's like to be champions, you know,
just be simply referred to as as national champions. Uh
And and for their parents, for their parents to have
their son be a champion. That's the old welving thing,
just that that so many people Uh.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (31:32):
Would he would be able to enjoy that be a
part of that for my wife, you know, for her
husband to be a to be a national champion. For me,
you know, not so much as but for everybody else. Yeah,
that's uh, that would be huge.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He you know, I find him fascinating and you know
what he is. He's a disruptor and he likes to
make people uncomfortable and I love that about him. And
he just he wants the players to get paid more.
He wants to share in the revenue.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I can.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I can certainly make the argument he's better for college
football than pro. I hope he stays.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I mean, I depend where he goes in the pro.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, the Charger job is interesting. It's a good job.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Marble in the LA market with McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
How about this, some Mike Frable rumors Chargers toughness. They
didn't have a quarterback there.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I need juice if I'm the Charger, they got none.
Jim Harbaugh gives it some juice.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, Jim Harbaugh is.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
They're a storyline all the time, Like we don't really
the way.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
LA has been in about a seven year run of
attaining stars.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
You know, when I moved here seven years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It's interesting, I never put those two together. We've had
about seven years of just like, whenever there's a star
that could go to LA, they do. Can you imagine
Lincoln Riley, Sean McVay, Let's not.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Put Lincoln Riley in the same discussion about.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
The star coaches.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, justin Herbert nized Ye.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Jamack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (34:40):
So a couple of thoughts here as we head to
the final hour. Albert Breer will have the very latest
breaking news, and then Jed Fish almost beat Washington this year,
knows Harball ben In his staff will join us as well,
so he'll break down the Natty, which I think will
be one for the Ages tonight. So the Pittsburgh Steelers
made the playoffs. Yeah, okay, Mike Tomlin did not have
(35:04):
a losing season. Awesome, cool and stuff. Here are the
playoff games in the opening weekend. What's the team that
you basically think has virtually no shot to win? It's
not Houston or Cleveland. Miami could absolutely beat Kansas City.
Chiefs are averaging like eighteen points a game in the
last two months. Tampa Bay at home, could beat struggling
(35:25):
Philadelphia Green Bay house money. They could beat Dallas Detroit
Rams coin flip. It's Pittsburgh going to Buffalo as an
over ten point dog. So again, what is the standard? Like,
I think Pittsburgh has been a good story at the
end of the year, but they have to really make
a decision because the difference between Green Bay with a
(35:47):
young quarterback and good receivers and Pittsburgh with the young
receivers and a good culture. I think Pittsburgh and Green
Bay are very similar. The difference is you can immediately
now by like his seven game, you could see that
you had a star quarterback potentially in Jordan Love game seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. Wow,
(36:08):
that Kenny Pickett's not close to that. Mason Rudolph's not
close to that. So I think they have real decisions
to make in Pittsburgh. So many people on the internet
defend Mike Tomlin. Hey above five hundred zero chance of
winning the Super Bowl, very little chance of winning a
playoff game. What are you well? Next year? You love
Kenny Pickett, Joe Burrow's back, They'll be better than you.
(36:30):
Baltimore is better than you, and Joe Flakel, the fourth
quarterback for Cleveland, is better than your team today. I
would take Cleveland over Pittsburgh if they met in fifteen minutes.
So again, what are your standards? I've said before, I
don't think it's an indictment that Mike Tomlin, after all
(36:51):
these years, needs a fresh start. I think seven teams
could use it. Toughness, culture, attitude winner. But I do
wonder like, what is Pittsburgh now? Next year, when Joe
Burrow's back, and Lamar's back and Deshaun Watson's back, they
will again have the fourth best quarterback in their division,
with a defensive leaning culture. Just stuff to think about. Okay,
(37:15):
we have currently five coaching openings in the NFL, Vegas,
the Chargers, Washington, Carolina, Atlanta. Washington has fired Ron Rivera,
that was this morning. Arthur Smith fired Atlanta. That was
at twelve oh one. According to Jmack Belichick's In Some Trouble,
Jay Glazer reported yesterday he's gone. He met this morning
(37:38):
with Robert Kraft. I think over the next forty eight
hours they would consider trading him. Not real ceremonial, but
they may consider it. I would say this about Jim Harbaugh.
I think Michigan is better than all the job openings today.
The Charger job is interesting because of Justin Herbert. But
Jim has to ask himself what matters. Is it money? Well,
(38:00):
California taxes will take half of that, So if you're
going for money, you can make a lot of it
in California. The government's taking half of it and houses
are twice as expensive. Is it about control and power? Well,
you've got a lot more in college than you do
in the NFL with an impulsive owner, and you're only
as good as your quarterback. So I think the Chargers
(38:21):
is the one job, and I think it's a pretty
vibrant market for coaches. I think Vrabel could move. I
think you could make an offer to Mike Tomlin. Call
the Rooney see if you could make a move there.
You know Belichick wouldn't be my choice, Ben Johnson. This
is a good year for coaches. So the teams that
are looking, you've got a hot offensive coordinator. You've got
a superstar that's won in the NFL. I think Dan
(38:43):
Quinn for the Chargers. I think he's a very and
you've got to hire if you're the Chargers, a head coach.
You've done the assistant thing like four times Marty Schottenneimer
been a head coach. If I recall, you got to
go with a head coach. That's what it feels like
to me. So j is looking around. If it's about money,
California taxes take half of it, it can't be about money.
(39:06):
And if it's about control, you never, as an NFL
coach have control the owner.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Does You just went with the defensive guy in Staley.
Let's see how that worked out. Don't you want to
hire a head coach who's, yes, a CEO, but also
an offensive mind who can grow Justin Herbert for a decadees.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
So I've talked about this Demiko Ryan's playoffs. I would
prefer an offensive coach, but I will take a defensive
coach Vrabel or Dan Quinn if the offensive coach goes.
If Ben Johnson doesn't take the job, I would that's
the best one. He may not get offered. But if
I own the Chargers, I'm not hiring Ben Johnson. I've
(39:42):
done that. It hasn't worked here. It's a big market.
I don't want you engulfed. I'm hiring a head coach.
We have a history in this league. When you have
a top ten quarterback and a very good defensive coach,
you get to the playoffs and win playoff games. That's
the history of the league. Now, I think defensive coaches
tend to need better quarterbacks than offensive coaches, who can
(40:04):
massage the position more acutely. But I'm hiring a head coach.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
That the problem without an offensive head coach is what
Detroit's running into. And I'm telling you Houston's gonna run
into it. Your offensive coordinator's hot, everybody wants it, and
he's out the door. Now you got to get a
new guy to come in. What's happening in Philly, Colin.
They lose Shane Steichen, they bring in the backup. The
new guy was elevated to OC, and the offense is
sputtering like.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
It ain't even you know what. I call that a
champagne problem. I hired such a great offensive coordinator that
we got to the super Bowl. Okay, okay, I'll take
those kind of problems every day. If you hire Vrabel
or Dan Quinn and I got no problems with either.
Mike Tomlin and you have to hire a great OC
(40:50):
and he stays two years, well, if he's as great
as you say, and as good as you are with Herbert,
you're winning multiple playoff games per year. I can deal
with that. That's a problem. Love to have our three
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Next hour is going to update us, update us on
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Michael Vick in ten minutes. Jedfish end of the hour.
(00:49):
His Arizona Wildcat came the closest to beating Washington in
the Pac twelve. He's an offensive guy. He's also been
on a Jim Harbass staff before, so he knows Washington
and Mission. And we went and found the coach who
would know. I've known Jed for a long time. They
had a great season, beat Oklahoma in a bowl game.
So our last twelve minutes fifteen minutes of the show,
we're talking Washington and Michigan, which I'm all fired up for.
(01:11):
I think it's going to be a classic. I think
it's gonna be an all timer.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Line ticking up just a notch five and a half
currently Michigan, so it's been going up all week. Just
leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Well, whatever lines aren't always.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Right, always right?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Why do you people like Miami last night? It's me
with Colin right, Colin wrong? On a Monday, here we
go where Colin was right? What a year for the
blazing five three and two. We took the Giants to
beat Philly, the Bills to beat Miami in Arizona to cover.
Should have won, they missed two field goals. Another winning week,
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thirteen of the last fifteen weeks five hundred or better.
We just had a heck of a year. We really did.
Proud of it. Staff. Everybody capped it off the way
we shed with a win last night Buffalo on the road,
although it was kind of a home game where Colin
was raw. Listen, I bailed on Jordan Love. In October,
Green Bay finished nine to eight, made the playoffs. I
(02:08):
did not see them as a playoff team. I thought
they'd buy with Chicago for third and fourth place. Very
very young team. But Jordan Love's last ten games, he's
been terrific, throwing with confidence. Boy, that receiving crew is
something else. Matt Lafleur deserves a ton of credit. He
should be in the Coach of the Year. A candidate
grouped so I was wrong on the Packers better than
(02:30):
I thought in congrats playoff team. With that kind of offense,
they get a puncher's chance against the.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Cowboys, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Everybody bailed on the Bills about seven weeks ago. I
did not. After they lost to Philly in overtime, I said,
they're developing a run game. They always play real defense.
Josh Allen's gonna be fine, and they're all lines not terrible. Listen,
They're a flawed team. Josh Allen has the ability, however,
to burrow through and blow through his mistakes. I like
(03:00):
this team. I think they end up in the AFC Championship.
I have stayed with him through all of moves and turbulence.
The Bills are to me as fun a watch as
the league has. Where Colin was raw well, Sean Peyton
and Denver. Listen, they're better. You can't deny that the
offense is better. But it wasn't as good as I thought.
(03:22):
This thing just never worked. They lost yesterday. The offense
is ranked twenty sixth points their nineteenth Russell Wilson, it
is what it is, but it was it just was
a little ugly from the start. Sean Payton, not happy
went public with it. It's it's a bigger lift than
I think everybody thought. It's just a bigger lift, and
(03:45):
it didn't work as quickly as I predicted it would.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
The Jets finished in third, and that's exactly where I
predicted it. This organization's got an impulsive ownership group a
week Oh Line. They've got some nice defensive personnel, but
they don't have enough skill. And frankly, Aaron Rodgers is
past his prime. I don't think he's good enough to
solve all the issues. And he addressed the media about
(04:12):
his future and the future of this organization.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Anything that doesn't have anything to do with winning needs
to be assessed. When you step in the building, there's
intentionality with everything that you do, and it's not a
half the time thing. It's not a sometimes thing. It's
not most of the time thing. It's an every time thing.
If you want to be a winning organization and to
put some position to win championships and be competitive, everything
(04:38):
that you do matters, and it has nothing to do
with winning. Needs to get out of the.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Building, like weekly conspiracy theories. Good boy, Where Colin was right?
Bill Belichick tone deaf? Two years, three years. We've been
on it, folks. Five games this year they didn't score
a touchdown. Build him a statue. People get too caught up.
It's like we all collected baseball cards as kids, so
(05:04):
we all love the past in sports. New England's bad.
They're not just a quarterback away. This organization is tone deaf.
Where Colin was raw? Why are the Jags so bad?
They unraveled, lost five of their last six. I had
them as a potential number one seed. I don't have
the answers. Sloppy, uneven, I don't know what they are.
(05:28):
They've got some talent, but Trevor Lawrence regressed? Is it coaching?
Is it him? Is he all in? Usually you can
spot the problem. They were eight and three at one
point on the season. Eight and three. That's pretty good, right,
they lost five of their six to close it and
often look uninspired and unfocused.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Where Colin was right, I never.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Really bought into the Miami Dolphins hype. I predicted they'd
be a wild card playoff team like Mike McDaniel a lot,
and I think two is more than capable, and Tyreek
Hill and Jade and Waddle are spectacularly talented. But I
kept calling them the fake Gucci bag in the spray
tan of the NFL. You're trying to be something you're not.
(06:15):
They fool people with offense. Offense is always glamorous when
the weather's good in September in early October. This league
is built on toughness December and January football. And I
just never bought into Miami as a Super Bowl contender.
I always did with Buffalo. Where Colin was right, I
(06:36):
picked the Huskies over Texas and Michigan over Alabama, and
that is the Natty we have tonight. I think Michigan's
a better team. I think they looked like a national
champion with fifteen to eighteen NFL players, But Washington is
so gifted at quarterback, wide receiver, coach, coordinator, and rush end.
They do match up with Michigan Washington is a team
(06:59):
I was lucky enough to see in person against Oregon.
That was the throw in that game. But I've watched
Michigan all year, and without their coach on the sideline,
they were six and oh this year, and I thought,
barring a special team's collapse against Alabama, I thought they
were clearly the better team. So I do think they
(07:21):
win tonight by about a touchdown, but I can't wait
to watch it. Washington. I could not tell you the
last game they lost. They are twelve and oh in
the last twelve games decided by one possession, which is
unheard of. Eight to o in one possession games this year,
twelve and oh in their last twelve. So if it's close,
(07:44):
Washington probably wins it. But I think Michigan will feel
like and look like the better team tonight. Where Colin
was right, where Colin was wrong. And let's bring on
the four time pro bowler, thirteen year NFL career and
now a Fox analyst, Michael Victor the show on a Monday.
By the way, we'll get to that game in a second.
You have been in that big game, if I recall
(08:05):
it was Virginia Tech Florida State. So I want to
get into that in about ten minutes. The nerves of
all these young guys. Yeah, so listen. You know Philadelphia,
you know the culture when I watch a team and
it was pretty gutless. I mean it looked like guys
weren't ready to play. What happens to a team that
at one point I think they were ten and one?
Is it coaching? I mean they have players. What do
(08:27):
you see with Philadelphia?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
You know, it's it's the consistency first of all.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
You know guys, you know they used to having playing
a certain brand of football, and it was evident last
year that you know, when they stepped on the field offense, defense,
special teams, they was going to dominate the game. When
you lose coordinators, you know, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, you know,
because I can try to go back to what actually
(08:52):
happened to this football team, and you know, when everybody's
learning something new and you're getting defensive looks where you've
been studyed, you know the off season, you know, sometimes
it's not as smooth, it's a little turbulent, and so
you know, this is a team that's trying to find
their way. It feel like they've lost confidence along the way.
Oh yeah, because that can happen. You know, when things
(09:13):
aren't going your way and you got these teams coming in.
The opposition is really you know, getting till you're getting
the best of you. You can't figure it out. You
know that doubt starts to creep in and it happens
to everyone. You know, a lot of teams go through
this phase where you got to find a way to
work yourself out of it.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
And it's not the easiest thing to do.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So Green Bay goes to Dallas. They are the youngest
playoff team. They're one of the youngest playoff teams ever. Know,
the advantage is they don't know what they don't know, right,
go back to your playoff games where they older teams,
younger teams. I think if you're gonna beat Dallas in Dallas,
you either have to be great Baltimore, yeah, or maybe
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young playing with house money. Free go yeah, just say
go back to your career. Young teams playoff. Do you
think they have a shot.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
I remember going into Green Bay in two thousand and
two when you know, we felt like we was playing
with house money. Made the wild card find a way
to get.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I remember that game was.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
And just play loose free, you know.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
I felt like as a second year quarterback with making
the playoffs was a big milestone.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And so what did the coaches say going into that game?
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Just go and you know, just play your hearts out.
Don't worry about making too many mistakes, you know. To me,
Dan Reeves said, look on the other side and look
at the guy you're playing against. I'm pretty sure you
idolyzed that guy and Brent farvv. Now you have a
chance to go head to head with him. Make the
most out of it. Make it a memorable moment. And
that's what I remember going into that game knowing and
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first drive we were straight down the fit and scored
and that right there turned us up.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
It was super leitty from there. You remember it, well,
oh yeah vividly.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
That's the biggest games in your biggest wins.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
In your career. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
I remember Arthur Blank coming to me after the game saying,
you only twenty two when you won your first playoff game.
I'm thinking to myself, look, that's the first of many,
you know, regardless of age. Divisional round next week. I
got it, you know, NFC championship game. I got it, so,
you know, I was just stoked in the moment, and
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I understand what it's like to work hard, to be
doubted throughout the season for the right reasons, and then
to be able to turn it around and show that, look,
we're a lot better than what people thought, and we
worked hard to be in this position.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
You know, it's interesting when I watched Jordan Love, same guy,
but he wasn't very good in October. Same players, same playbook,
same coach, and he's good now. I think we forget this.
I remember watching a Rod, one of the great baseball
players ever, was there. He got into his head and
it was a series I think against Detroit and then
the Battom eight, like he just couldn't. Yeah, and I'm
thinking to myself, Jordan Love is the same guy, same playbook,
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same same everything. He looked so much more for that.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
I think it was what maybe two months ago when
I said here in this chair, we talked about some
of the flaws and things that we've seen in Jordan
Love's game that we thought needed to improve, you know
a couple of different things, accuracy, footwork, you know, just
sitting down on his throws and that's all changed over
the last two months.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I don't know if he was listening.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
I don't know if he heard us, but whatever happened,
it started to click for him. You know, you're looking
at the guy who was really peeking at the right
time when his team need him the most. Got to
give a lot of credit to Matt Lafleur for pouring
into this young man, helping him understand what the game
of football is about. And I guarantee you a lot
of the experiences that Jordan's had this year he's drawn
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back on from.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
You know, sitting behind Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
You're a great quarterback who you can watch for four
quarters and see him go through, you know, the whole
paradigm shift of what it takes to win and then
be able to pull it out.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
That goes a long way.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So you know, I've defended Josh Allen. I've said Lamar
Jackson and Josh Allen are so gifted that they can
just overcome mistakes. And I this is something I talked
about with coaches for years. When you have somebody that's gifted,
don't over coach him. Yeah, like you just get Joe
Namath was gonna throw picks. Aikman was gonna throw picks.
Josh Allen made a pick in the end zone last night.
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I'm like, brother, what are we doing here?
Speaker 6 (13:20):
I felt the same.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So, but there is there is something. I mean, I
don't know, even a little John Elway. When you watch him,
what do you see?
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Oh yeah, I'm always made the you know, Cam Newton
comparison to to Josh Allen, you know, definitely the John
Alway comparison. That's more so my Patrick Mahomes comparison John Alway.
But you're looking at a guy who you know has
been transcended to the position. You know, he does things
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week in and week out that you know, we we
expect to see because he's showing us on the continuous
basis how you know he operates when the game is
on the line, whether he got to put his team
on his back or you know, whether he's going to
playing through the system.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
He can do it all. And that's the that's the
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Did Andy read what was Andy's perception of you coaching
you but staying out of the way.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Yeah, Andy knew that.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
It was times where you know, I was going through
things outside of you know what the yeah, what the
structure of the offense consisted of. Conceptually, you know, I
made sure I understood, you know, everything that could take
advantage of what the defense was presenting to us. And
so when you have these great quarterbacks who you know,
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you can sit and watch from a from the sideline
and see, okay, this play was designed to you know,
go to one and two and he went to three
right off the back based on the coverage. You know,
that's the process of elimination. Those the things that you know,
allow a coach to give his young quarterback at liberty
to run the offense. And so Josh has earned that
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He's shown on continuous is that.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
You know, the more the game is on the line,
the better he performed.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
So it's what's interesting. They always called the rest versus
rust theory. So if I was Baltimore, like San Francisco's
got some older dudes, Christian Trent Williams, right, if I
was Baltimore, I'm not sure I want a week off. Uh,
go into the head of Lamar Jackson, who you're close with,
You've talked with. I what I worry about with Baltimore
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is their physicality and their speed like I want them
to play. I don't think a week off is great
for them.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah, a week off of some of them, actually two
weeks if you put it in respective, I don't love it,
you know, Yeah, I just think rhythm is everything actually
said on I so yesterday, you know, depending on you
know what year the guy's in. I think Lamar's in
the sixth year. Now you know that, you know you
want him to get rest. You know, you want to
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keep everybody out at harm's way, And I would just
be distraught if I lost a player, you know, based
on trying to keep the momentum going. So you know,
it's really no definitive answers.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
What were your coaches mostly for because you.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Were Andy was about rest, and Andy was about getting rest.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Did you fight it? Did you push back?
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Never thought it, Never pushed back.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
I trusted his decision making, and most of the players
won't rest anyway.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
So you know, like, if you go out there and.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
You injure something and it's something that could have been avoided,
then I just think it just creates a whole detrimental situation.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
All right, So I want to talk about Washington and Michigan.
So you played in the National Championship, and like Washington,
Florida State probably had better players. Michigan's got better overall players,
but Virginia Tech and Washington had this quarterback, and I
think it can create pressure, although Washington is stacked at
wide receiver. Go back to this game, how nervous were
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you for you went in as if I recall the underdog.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Yeah, we was the underdog.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
And all I can remember was the first drive, just
not being able to be myself like I was, you know,
a little bit distraught.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
It was.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
It was really loud. You know, I'm screaming my cadence
to the top of my along side. I had like
a mini migraine throughout the first quarter, and I just
wasn't feeling like myself. Actually went down on the first possession,
great drive and came out the wrong way on just
a simple handoff.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
To the fullback.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
And you know, I think that was because my mind
wasn't clear and I made a mental mistake early. And
it was because of the magnitude of the game and
Florida State on the other side and all these amazing
players that I knew I was gonna have to navigate
for four quarters. And so it was a very overwhelming
in the beginning. I settled down and then the game
(17:53):
came around. But you know, you're looking at two guys
tonight and AJ McCarthy and Michael Pennick, who.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
You know got the experience.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
You know they've you know, they've been in these highly
you know, measure games before where you know it's a
lot at stake and it's a lot on the line.
He just went through it last week. So these pressure
back situations they're ready for.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So Pennix is a lefty, and we've had Mark Brunell
was a lefty, and we've had lefties. Steve Young was
a lefty. Most aren't, so just I never think much
about it. To me, Pennix is a beautiful thrower too.
Is a lefty? Your thoughts about Penix? What you see
being a left hander? Does now obviously Washington has a
first round left tackle, but he can see that rusher. Yeah,
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is being a lefty? Did you always look at an
advantage or not?
Speaker 7 (18:45):
I didn't think it was an advantage at all. I
always felt like a lot of my office of coaches
was so used to catering to right handed quarterbacks that
it was just a mental challenge for everyone. Like I
used to tell coach coach raid all the time, Coach,
you can we can do some things to the right,
and you can roll me right a little bit. I'm
more comfortable doing that. And you know, they play it
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safe and they try to cater to your strength. So
you know, it's always weird when I watch another left
handed quarterback because I'm so used to watching right handed quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
What do you make the player?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
I love his accuracy, I love his ball placement. He
surprised me last week, didn't surprise me, but having a
chance to really watch him through and through, I thought
his pocket presence and his movement in the pocket made
the difference in the game against Texas. The ability to
move and just create that extra half a second or
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you know, allow your guys downfield to move and get
in the position where they you know, they moving into
the next zone, or they you know, they separating versus man.
You know, after you got a little pressure in the pocket.
I felt like that was his biggest attribute in the
game and probably the biggest reason why they won.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
JJ McCarthy, it's a run first program. Were you ever
on a team when you knew just don't screw it?
Speaker 8 (20:02):
Up.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Pennix is going to have to play great to win.
JJ McCarthy isn't. It's a totally different assignment. Were you
ever on a team like that.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Yeah, at Virginia Tech, we was run oriented and we
had a hell of a run game ahead and great
special great special team. So I knew I led the
nation in passing officially that year and with like one
hundred and you know, seventy three attempts for the entire season.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
So you know, that was the basis of our game.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
We was gonna come in, We was gonna beat you up,
We was gonna pound on you, and then at some
point we was gonna go play action to Andre Davis
and find those guys, you know, allow those receivers to
work and get open. So you know, being in the
offense is run oriented. It definitely limits what you have
to do and can enhance your performance a lot because
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the run game really takes precedent.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, finally, we've got graphics also that we have the
playoffs in the first round, so we know who's favored
flow like by ten over the Steelers, So there's going
to be an upset. We know this in the first round.
So Cleveland is favored over Houston. So as we look
at the wild Card schedule and I say to you,
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Brown's at CJ. Stroud in the Texans, your initial guess.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
Is CJ's stepping up and playing big like I've seen that,
you know, this past weekend and in the biggest moment
of his young career, being able to step in and.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Play with so much poise.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
We watch quarterbacks every week and you just don't see
the poise in some guys, whether it's easy you know,
whether it's a rookie or it's.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
An eight year vet. Now, some guys just be a
little uneasy.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
In this kid, I feel like he has the backing
and he knows that his teammates got his back, and
he got a coach and the defense is gonna give
him opportunity.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
So his mind is really an ease.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Okay, So you like the Texans Dolphins in that five
degree weather in Kansas City?
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Who you know, chance, No Kansas City, These destroyers Miami.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
But I do expect it to be competitive.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
We know Tyreek Hill is gonna bring that edge, and
obviously he gotta pour some of that onto tour and
if they're gonna have any shot to it's gonna have
to play be a game.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Breaker, yet have to play one of his games of
the year Steelers at Buffalo Pittsburgh. It'd be hard for
a Mason Rudolph to win on the road.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
I'm I'm such a Mason Rudolph fan because of just
the you know, the path that he's had to take
to get to where he can show that he can
still play in the National Football League. And I think
he's earned himself some money. I don't know if the
buck stops here in terms of not getting past Buffalo.
I think it's anybody's game. Pittsburgh defense is gonna show
(22:46):
up and come to play. We know that, so it'll
it'll be a low scoring game, and it's gonna be
a grinder.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Okay, Dallas hosting the youngest team green Bay. Now Dallas
is favored. The one thing I worry about Dallas is
Jerry Jones didn't even give Mike McCarthy of voter confidence.
Do you think the pressure gets to Dallas it's on
Fox or do they win?
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Man, you got a sneaky good Green Bay team that's
coming into town with a bunch of young players with
a lot of energy, who's learning how to win and
got a taste of it and got a quarterback that's believing.
That's scary. So for Dallas they would have to start
fast and get up on Green Yeah, they got to
get up on Green and Green Bay got guys on
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defense that make plays that they're flying around the ball,
they getting sacks, getting to the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Kenny Clark and those guys.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
You know, they kind of flew under the radar all year,
but this week on the big stage, we're good to
see what they can do.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
And finally Rams at Lions are beat up man that
Ram offense.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
It was just good to see c J. Garden to
Johnson back in the lineup. For Detroit, I felt like,
you know, they was really depleted on the defensive side
of the ball. But with Matthew Stafford coming into town
and you know he's a wire revet who knows how
to win, that's scary for Detroit.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
And finally Philadelphia, do they snap out of it or
do you like Baker Mayfield at home, they didn't look
great yesterday they won. Where do you go on that?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
And just trying to figure out what happened yesterday.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
I'm gonna take it, you know, with a grain of
salt that we just kind of pulled our starters early
in the game yesterday, And you know, I was a
little disappointed in the performance yesterday. I didn't get to
see the entire game. I don't know if who was
out there, you know, what starters were out there. But
I'm looking forward to us getting it turned around in
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the playoffs and you know, just erasing everything that happened
during the twenty twenty three regular season and focusing on
the twenty twenty three playoffs and letting the season start
this weekend.
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Speaker 3 (25:18):
So yes, you were correct on Buffalo last night against Miami. Listen,
the Dolphins had a chance to win the division for
the first time in geez like almost fifteen years, and
they let down.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
They were leading in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I was disappointed in Miami, but their entire second half
column they had zero first downs until the final drive.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Well, ask yourself this, go look at two his numbers
first half scripted plays with his brilliant coach, and two
his second half numbers. And that's the difference between good
quarterbacks and great ones. All Right, now you trail, or
now you lose your left tackle, or now you're not
(25:54):
on script. That's when Josh Allen took the game over
to his second half numbers this year are bad.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That we saw last week.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Baltimore adjusted, we're gonna take away the middle of the field.
Go ahead, We dare you to throw it to the outside.
And he can't do that.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And you know to we talked about the loss, which
is just devastating.
Speaker 8 (26:12):
I think we did have opportunities. We just didn't make
the best out of those opportunities when we had them. Misthrow,
miscommunication on some plays.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
You just can't do that. I mean, no one's gonna
feel sorry for us.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
There's a lot of other teams that have injuries that
are going through some tough deals, so we're not making
any excuses. No one's gonna make any excuses for us.
You just got to come back next week and be ready.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I thought they got some officiating breaks two things in
the first half, and I don't blame officials. Buffalo was
the better team and I felt that the whole night.
But there was the blown PI. They didn't call the PI.
Alan throws a pick in the end zone. Next play
when he was grabbing the receiver, just a blown miscall all.
So in the final play of the half of the
Bills it was a helmet to helmet hit and I'm
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sitting there thinking time out. That's another play. So I
thought those were those weren't small misses. Those were big
misses by the officials that I think would have I mean,
you would have the Bill scoring two extra touchdowns in
the first half potentially.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
So two weeks ago, before that Ravens loss, we both
sat here and said, man, Dolphins are going to be dangerous.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I do not want to.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
See the dog out of the plank.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
They are.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Well, they lose Chubb and then last night Dan Grinkle
goes down, waddles out. You know, we don't know what's
up with Xavi and Howard, Like this defense just doesn't
have guys anymore.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Colin, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
This is stat I just saw the coldest game two
has ever played in was twenty nine degrees and he
lost this one. It's led to be zero degrees this
weekend in Kansas City. I took the under and I'm
on the Chiefs at three.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Here's the air thing.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Whenever they play a winning team, what happens to the offense?
Fourteen at home against Buffalo. Their losses are on the
defensive side with pass rushers against Baltimore, very interesting first quarter,
and then they dry up against winning teams.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Not great.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
The Dolphins have a minus ninety one point differential and
they allow thirty three. This is jock Man, This is
a spray tan and this is a lot of just
hype from the media.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
I did like Miami. They were out gaming by like
two hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
As you said, end zone interception, the stopped at the
one yard like this could have easily been Buffalo by
twenty easily should have been Colin Listen, I was asking
Mike Vick about it, but this whole like to a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I like I like.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Tua, great kid.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I'm not given a healthy all season would alway concussion.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You gotta draft a quarterback somewhere in the drive.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I've already floated it last week on the pot.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I'm telling you I move on. I try to trade
Ta and I would trade up in the draft. Give
up whoever you got to get, and you get Michael Pennix.
He's a better version of to a Joe Latt told
us here last week. He's bigger, better army, can make
all the throws to what cannot throw outside the hackmat.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
He can't do it.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
He struggles.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I mean it was brutal.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Anyways, all right, let's move on to the Raiders. Listen,
nobody here. Antonio Pierce just delivering left and right. I
think my guess is they're gonna keep Oh. I think
they're gonna give him the job, right. You know what, Listen,
it's not that defensive coaches can't work. Demiko Ryans, Mike
Tomlin made the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Again.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
We're not saying Sean McDermott. I do think to be
a defensive coach and successful, you gotta have a greater quarterback. Well, CJ.
Stroud looks amazing and Sean mcdermot's got Josh Allen Hardball's
got Lamar. I don't think I think an offensive coach
can get to the playoffs with an OH generally an
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okay quarterback, generally a little less of a quarterback, or
have to play a backup for six weeks. So they
have got to get the They have got to get
the quarterback right. But we do have a history in
this league defensive coaches who build that side with good
quarterbacks win a lot a lot of playoff games.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
They do.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I mean, they seem to be building around a run game, right, Yeah,
they got the running Jacobs gets hurt, they put in
the backup White and he's crushing it.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Like listen, I like him. The crowd was chanting ap
at the end of the game. They like him and
the players love him.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
DeVante Adams remember earlier this season, was like talking about, hey, hey,
we gotta fix some things. Maybe I get out of here.
Now he's like Antonio Pierce.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
He's the guy.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I just it's tough for me to get upside in
that division because you need an OC and you need
a quarterback, and bill if the OC thrives after a year,
he's gonna be looking at jobs, Like did you see
the media? You see what the media does, right, Rapaport
ch After all these guys, Bobby.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Slowick in Houston, what a season he's at.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
He's gonna get.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Head coaching offers, Like had one season with Trout, can
we give him a second?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Like Ben Johnson's gonna leave Detroit.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Well that's an agent calling the media guys.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
But they're around the league. They're gonna look like Jeez,
Stroud had a good year and then you.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Got to replace the OC. So I know it's a
tough one for the Raiders. Final story is tonight's game.
Michigan Washington talk about Jim Harbaugh's future. Over the last
few weeks, He's focused on Washington and Michael Pennox and
what beating them would mean for his players a chance.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
It would mean so much.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
I mean, it would for our players, you know, for
them to know what it's like to be champions, you know,
just be simply referred to as as national champions. Uh
And and for their parents, for their parents to have
their son be a champion. That's the old welving thing,
just that that so many people Uh.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (31:32):
Would he would be able to enjoy that be a
part of that for my wife, you know, for her
husband to be a to be a national champion. For me,
you know, not so much as but for everybody else. Yeah,
that's uh, that would be huge.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He you know, I find him fascinating and you know
what he is. He's a disruptor and he likes to
make people uncomfortable and I love that about him. And
he just he wants the players to get paid more.
He wants to share in the revenue.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I can.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I can certainly make the argument he's better for college
football than pro. I hope he stays.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I mean, I depend where he goes in the pro.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, the Charger job is interesting. It's a good job.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Marble in the LA market with McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
How about this, some Mike Frable rumors Chargers toughness. They
didn't have a quarterback there.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I need juice if I'm the Charger, they got none.
Jim Harbaugh gives it some juice.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, Jim Harbaugh is.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
They're a storyline all the time, Like we don't really
the way.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
LA has been in about a seven year run of
attaining stars.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
You know, when I moved here seven years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It's interesting, I never put those two together. We've had
about seven years of just like, whenever there's a star
that could go to LA, they do. Can you imagine
Lincoln Riley, Sean McVay, Let's not.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Put Lincoln Riley in the same discussion about.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
The star coaches.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, justin Herbert nized Ye.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Jamack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
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Speaker 12 (34:24):
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Speaker 1 (34:40):
So a couple of thoughts here as we head to
the final hour. Albert Breer will have the very latest
breaking news, and then Jed Fish almost beat Washington this year,
knows Harball ben In his staff will join us as well,
so he'll break down the Natty, which I think will
be one for the Ages tonight. So the Pittsburgh Steelers
made the playoffs. Yeah, okay, Mike Tomlin did not have
(35:04):
a losing season. Awesome, cool and stuff. Here are the
playoff games in the opening weekend. What's the team that
you basically think has virtually no shot to win? It's
not Houston or Cleveland. Miami could absolutely beat Kansas City.
Chiefs are averaging like eighteen points a game in the
last two months. Tampa Bay at home, could beat struggling
(35:25):
Philadelphia Green Bay house money. They could beat Dallas Detroit
Rams coin flip. It's Pittsburgh going to Buffalo as an
over ten point dog. So again, what is the standard? Like,
I think Pittsburgh has been a good story at the
end of the year, but they have to really make
a decision because the difference between Green Bay with a
(35:47):
young quarterback and good receivers and Pittsburgh with the young
receivers and a good culture. I think Pittsburgh and Green
Bay are very similar. The difference is you can immediately
now by like his seven game, you could see that
you had a star quarterback potentially in Jordan Love game seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. Wow,
(36:08):
that Kenny Pickett's not close to that. Mason Rudolph's not
close to that. So I think they have real decisions
to make in Pittsburgh. So many people on the internet
defend Mike Tomlin. Hey above five hundred zero chance of
winning the Super Bowl, very little chance of winning a
playoff game. What are you well? Next year? You love
Kenny Pickett, Joe Burrow's back, They'll be better than you.
(36:30):
Baltimore is better than you, and Joe Flakel, the fourth
quarterback for Cleveland, is better than your team today. I
would take Cleveland over Pittsburgh if they met in fifteen minutes.
So again, what are your standards? I've said before, I
don't think it's an indictment that Mike Tomlin, after all
(36:51):
these years, needs a fresh start. I think seven teams
could use it. Toughness, culture, attitude winner. But I do
wonder like, what is Pittsburgh now? Next year, when Joe
Burrow's back, and Lamar's back and Deshaun Watson's back, they
will again have the fourth best quarterback in their division,
with a defensive leaning culture. Just stuff to think about. Okay,
(37:15):
we have currently five coaching openings in the NFL, Vegas,
the Chargers, Washington, Carolina, Atlanta. Washington has fired Ron Rivera,
that was this morning. Arthur Smith fired Atlanta. That was
at twelve oh one. According to Jmack Belichick's In Some Trouble,
Jay Glazer reported yesterday he's gone. He met this morning
(37:38):
with Robert Kraft. I think over the next forty eight
hours they would consider trading him. Not real ceremonial, but
they may consider it. I would say this about Jim Harbaugh.
I think Michigan is better than all the job openings today.
The Charger job is interesting because of Justin Herbert. But
Jim has to ask himself what matters. Is it money? Well,
(38:00):
California taxes will take half of that, So if you're
going for money, you can make a lot of it
in California. The government's taking half of it and houses
are twice as expensive. Is it about control and power? Well,
you've got a lot more in college than you do
in the NFL with an impulsive owner, and you're only
as good as your quarterback. So I think the Chargers
(38:21):
is the one job, and I think it's a pretty
vibrant market for coaches. I think Vrabel could move. I
think you could make an offer to Mike Tomlin. Call
the Rooney see if you could make a move there.
You know Belichick wouldn't be my choice, Ben Johnson. This
is a good year for coaches. So the teams that
are looking, you've got a hot offensive coordinator. You've got
a superstar that's won in the NFL. I think Dan
(38:43):
Quinn for the Chargers. I think he's a very and
you've got to hire if you're the Chargers, a head coach.
You've done the assistant thing like four times Marty Schottenneimer
been a head coach. If I recall, you got to
go with a head coach. That's what it feels like
to me. So j is looking around. If it's about money,
California taxes take half of it, it can't be about money.
(39:06):
And if it's about control, you never, as an NFL
coach have control the owner.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Does You just went with the defensive guy in Staley.
Let's see how that worked out. Don't you want to
hire a head coach who's, yes, a CEO, but also
an offensive mind who can grow Justin Herbert for a decadees.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
So I've talked about this Demiko Ryan's playoffs. I would
prefer an offensive coach, but I will take a defensive
coach Vrabel or Dan Quinn if the offensive coach goes.
If Ben Johnson doesn't take the job, I would that's
the best one. He may not get offered. But if
I own the Chargers, I'm not hiring Ben Johnson. I've
(39:42):
done that. It hasn't worked here. It's a big market.
I don't want you engulfed. I'm hiring a head coach.
We have a history in this league. When you have
a top ten quarterback and a very good defensive coach,
you get to the playoffs and win playoff games. That's
the history of the league. Now, I think defensive coaches
tend to need better quarterbacks than offensive coaches, who can
(40:04):
massage the position more acutely. But I'm hiring a head coach.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
That the problem without an offensive head coach is what
Detroit's running into. And I'm telling you Houston's gonna run
into it. Your offensive coordinator's hot, everybody wants it, and
he's out the door. Now you got to get a
new guy to come in. What's happening in Philly, Colin.
They lose Shane Steichen, they bring in the backup. The
new guy was elevated to OC, and the offense is
sputtering like.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
It ain't even you know what. I call that a
champagne problem. I hired such a great offensive coordinator that
we got to the super Bowl. Okay, okay, I'll take
those kind of problems every day. If you hire Vrabel
or Dan Quinn and I got no problems with either.
Mike Tomlin and you have to hire a great OC
(40:50):
and he stays two years, well, if he's as great
as you say, and as good as you are with Herbert,
you're winning multiple playoff games per year. I can deal
with that. That's a problem. Love to have our three
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