December 17, 2024 • 33 mins
Colin talks to 2-time Super Bowl champ Eric Bieniemy about his time coaching with the Chiefs and working with Patrick Mahomes
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Eric Bienemy has had an amazing career up for the
Heisman as a running back at Colorado. That was the
last time Colorado was great, really truly great. Two times
Super Bowl champ as a coordinator with Andy Reid, ten
full seasons with the Chiefs, and he is in studio.
He was at UCLA last year. So I got so
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many things. I want to start with the big picture
on Mahomes. So he comes from you know, Texas Tech.
His dad was a major league player. Did they let
you in on him before they drafted him? Had you
heard in the building there was a young kid? Give
me and I'm trying to figure out the timeline because
they had Matt Naggi was there and then Eric b
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Enemy and I'm trying to find figure out exactly when
you were there. But take me through your kind of
chronological order with Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Okay, so first and foremost coaching out there in Kansas City.
We're in the Big twelve country, so seeing Texas Tech
play every single weekend. And one thing, you know, uh,
we had a great staff. I mean we had Bret
Veach on staff as a GM. Obviously he was under
my man, Oh what was the original John Dorsey? He
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was under Dorsey, And so you know, we had a
lot of guys Chris Ballard and the talk of the
town was always you know, have you guys seen these
throws that this kid has made?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
And we will watch the games.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
We got caught up in Big twelve football obviously, just
watching what Pat was doing, and so we got enamored
with him. We watched him grow as a player while
we were coaching, because everybody was a fan of football,
and so just watching him and seeing all the things
that he brought to the table, we all.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Were kind of on kind of end on it.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Chris Ballot was probably the lead scout at the point
on that point in time exactly. He loved loved him,
absolutely loved him. I think everybody in the building fell
in love with him. Now, did we think that we
would have a chance of getting him. No, but it's
amazing how things worked out, and obviously it's been it's
been history being made right before your eyes. The kid
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is an unbelievable kid. He takes absolutely nothing for granted
and you just love him as a person and as
a competitor.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
When you so let's go to the first camp with Mahomes.
So you had the Alex Smith, who's a wonderful guy.
And were there moments did you drive home after a
practice or three and was there a moment for you
an epiphany when you're like, oh boy, this is different.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Let me see this. So, with all due respect to Alex, Okay,
we love Alex. Alex was a great quarterback. Here's one
thing Alex did. Alex provided a blueprint for Pat Mahomes
to follow, because first and foremost, Alex was a come early,
stay late guy.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
He was very professional.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
He's very diligent, all right, and everything that he did,
he took the game series, he studied, he was a
film junkie. So those are some of the things that
you know as an example of seeing I know the
player do it helped Patrick to grow Now watching Patrick,
and don't get me wrong, Every young quarterback has their
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struggles every now and then, but there were certain throws
that you're seeing practicing, like, oh my goodness, did you
see that?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
And we just sit there, yes, like wait a minute,
did you see that throw?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And so there will always be those moments, and then
you just knew you had something special. And then he
had that opportunity to startup against Denver. I want to
say it was the last game of the season that
particular year, and he went out and he did his thing,
and not to anybody surprise, here we are, you know,
years later, looking at him and still watching him excel
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at all the little things that a lot of people
didn't think that he can do because he came from
an air raid offense.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So obviously Andy Reid is a great play caller and
play designer. You've worked with a lot of good coaches,
Bobby Ross, What is the secret, sauce? If you were
to take if I said, Eric, you get a head
coaching job, take one thing from Andy Reid is his
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What's the structure the foundational piece of Andy that makes
him arguably the best coach ever.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I think more than anything, it's probably the consistency. He's
a consistent individual. The Andy Reid that you see today
is the same Andy Reid that I played for in
nineteen ninety nine. Thing that I love about coach Read
is that he's very stern. He expects you to be
very professional. He expects all his coaches to be an
expert at their positions. He expects his players to work hard,
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he expects them to be at their best when the
best is needed. And there's always a culture of accountability.
And when you have all that and you combined it together,
now you see the consistent winning performance that just takes
place throughout the course of the years. And so the
thing that I love about coach Read is that he's
provided that. And then on top and I got to
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add one more thing, he's not afraid of change.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
He's not afraid of you know, and that does not
fear him.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
He wants to make sure that whatever needs to be done,
whatever we need to do to win.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And then you can obviously see that's been a theme
of this season. It doesn't matter what the score is.
When it's all saying done with, you're being measured. It
ain't about the numbers, it ain't about the stats, you're
being measured by two alphabets, the W or the L. Yeah,
and they've found a way to be thirteen and one
right now, and everybody wants to talk about what they
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haven't done. But I'll say this, it's hard winning thirteen
games in the season, let alone being thirteen and one
at this particular point.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
And that's the credit to coach Read. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So you looked at all these quarterbacks coming out, Jaden
Daniels and bow Nicks and Caleb Williams and Michael Pennix
and JJ McCarthy. I thought Caleb was the most talented
at UCLA. You know the USC program. Well this year
you faced I think it was Miller bought No the
UNLV kid at the end when you watch Caleb struggling
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in Chicago. How do they get it right? What's the
first step?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Well, I think more than anything, it's about the culture
in the atmosphere.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
So you want to.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Make sure that the kid is in a right culture,
meaning you have to build it around him. If you're
going to draft a franchise quarterback, you got to make
sure that.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And I'm not trying to step on anybody's toes or
place any judgment on anything. I think Ryan Poe's has
done a great job. Yes, Ryan is a very good friend,
and I've known him for a number of years because
we spent a number of years together in Kansas City.
But you want to make sure that you're building that organization,
that program around him.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Everything benefits him exactly, And everything always starts and ends
up front.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
So you got to build it with those guys.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And a defensive coach, and that worried me.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And so I'm not into who's doing hiring and all
the firing, but one thing I do. You know, anytime
you're drafting a franchise quarterback, you got to surround it
with the right people. You got to make sure the
right people are in his ear. You got to do
the things that he likes and feels comfortable with, and
then you start branching out and developing him and teaching
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him other things along the way.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
And so, yes, the kid is specially he's a dynamic.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Football player, but it starts with a culture and having
this opportunity to coach in the number of AFC championship
games and being on a Super Bowl winning team.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
It starts and ends up top. It starts with everything
the beach to everybody you know.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And when you're in the first class organization and with
first class people, you know everything is done the right way.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Where there be mistakes made along the way, sure, yes they.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Will, but it always starts up top, and you want
to surround your quarterback with the right people that's going
to help him to develop and grow.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So Belichick's going to college, My take is he is
building a pro model college. College athletic departments can be
high maintenance. People are very parochial. They have their space.
And Belichick's coming in with his NFL guys and he's like, yeah,
I'm not going to volleyball matches. Is it's Bill's smart.
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But he's a pro coach and you're a pro coach
and you went to UCLA. If you could give him
what was the first shocking thing?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
What?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And again, Kansas City is a well run pro football operation.
The first thing if you if you could whisper one
thing to build, hey, be careful about blank what would
is that?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
The only thing that if anything that I disliked or
about the college game is the lack of time that
we have to teach. And so I pride myself on
being a teacher, and you know there's a twenty hour rule.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
You only get so much time to deal with young men.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
And it's always have felt that it is our duty
as coaches to make sure that if there's a player
that's special enough, it's our responsibility of making sure we're
providing this kid with all the necessary tools that's going
to give him the best opportunity to play early in
the NFL if he's talented enough.
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Speaker 1 (11:06):
Eric b Enemy for our radio audience. And here's the thing.
That's why the NFL is it's the great scheme league
for coaches. College is the recruiting league. Yes, you can
only do you can only layer a college kid with
so much. Yes, you only get twenty hours. So Belichick
is not a recruiter. He's a scheme genius. And that's
why Andy Reid in college would probably be exhausted by
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having to go to San Bernardino and look at a
receiver instead of teaching them his plays. And so I
feel he's gonna be now Are you surprised because you're
a former Colorado great? Are you surprised by Colorado has
no money? They like you see a light, not a
lot of dollars there for nil. Are you surprised at
the success that he has had? Don not at all.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I tell you what, knowing Rick George and knowing everything
that Rick George wonted ad, Yes, exactly. Rick George is
a great friend of mine, very close friend. He was
there when we played in the National Championships era, but
him in primetime as they hit it off really and yes,
they hit it off, and there's a nucleus, there's a bond.
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So I thought Rick, first of all, Deon did a
heck of a job of selling his vision to Rick.
But on top of that, you can see the vision
coming through because Deon did a great job of basically
helping those young men to go out there and be successful.
But on top of that, just building a competitive program
by building it with the right people, I thought you
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did a great job.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Hey, Travis Hunter, I plan at corner as a former
offensive coordinator in the NFL for years. Here's my concern.
You can't be a part time receiver. It's a timing position.
So what would you do. You're a coordinator and you
get Travis Hunter and he's like, hey, coach, I want
to do some offense and returning, but he's an elite
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Sauce Gardener level corner. How would you integrate him in
to some of the offense. I don't think he can
be your number one receiver in your number one corner.
Well how but if you had to, you only got
him for half the practice.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
So, first and foremost, congratulations with Travis Hunter on winning
the Heisman. Troll is great, the second Heisman Trophy winner
in the history of Colorado football, so outstanding. Second of all,
I have to answer this question biasedly because, and don't
get me wrong, I think the kid is a tremendous athlete.
I'm selfish. I'm on the office side of the ball.
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I want him to play receiver for me.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Right and so.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
But because I watch all the dynamic things that the
kid does, he's a he makes the catch, I would
use him just like I would use any other players
play jet sweeps.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Certain routes.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I mean the kid is he can run, He has
an unbelievable hand and eye coordination. He can track the football.
He can come out and in and out.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Of his breaks. He transition as well.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I mean, the kid is a great football player, and
obviously he's one of the best because of the numbers
that have shown when on top of that, the trophy
speaks for itself. But the kid is also a competitive kid. Yes,
and don't get me, I think the kid is a
dynamic college.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Football anyway, a great receiver.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I think the kid could be an outstanding receiver and so.
But you gotta pick and shoes aside. In my opinion,
it's just my humble opinion. You gotta take a side, yes,
because it takes away, it takes now. He could be
a dynamic, great corner. Just like you said, he does
have those skills and ability to be the next time.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You know what, here's my takeaway on that air. It's
an offensive league. A lot of bad teams. The Jets
have great corners, but if you have dual weapons like
the Rams', it's an offensive league. Yes, a corner has limitations.
Patrick Sertain is unbelievable. Yes, but it's Sean Payton the offense,
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the left tackle. I just think if I have I
think he's going to be a better corner than a receiver.
But I think receivers more valuable now than a great corner.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Because you can design and get him involved in the
game early and often.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Okay, and that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Whereas he's happened an opportunity to touch the.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Football twelve fifteen times, great.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Things can happen.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah, And so you would implement him in your in
your office herein.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So a year ago, people were lamenting that running backs
they're never going to get paid. You were a running back,
and they're never going to get paid. And now here's
Dereck Henry and you're watching Green Bay. Now, Josh Jacobs,
that's a power run team. Detroit's a power run team.
Baltimore is a power run team. So rams with Kyraen Williams. Yes,
So why do you think in the last year Saquon Barkley,
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it feels like Eric there is a little bit of
a pivot back to the running back.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Why this game has a way of bai cyclical.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Everything that you think was outdated, it seems to come
right back. One thing that I've always have known, you
throw the ball, Okay, to win, You throw the ball
to win football games, to score touchdowns, all right, but
you gotta run it to win a championship. What it's
all sayting done with the game is still one upfront,
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all right, whether it's the.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Old lion or the defensive line. If you can run the.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Ball, it takes so much pressure off the quarter.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Also, it eats clock.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
It eats clock you.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Get into these close late games. That's what Josh Allen
has never had. Until James Cook, he had leads. They
couldn't eat the clock.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Up because it becomes a game of possessions. And so
if you're taking care of the football ball security, you're
running the ball, it limits the opponent and so it
limits the opponent's opportunities. But on top of that, it
applies pressure to that team because now they feel forced
to be perfect, to drive the ball, to late to
the field, to go out and put points on the board.
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But when it's all sitting done with, those teams that
are doing a great job of running the ball, those
are gonna be teams that are gonna be wrecking with
come playoff time because they're hard to stop. And then
you watch what they're doing up in Green Bay, I
mean with that cold weather, you know, running the ball
as efficiently as they are. I mean, you're watching Philly
do what they do.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
But it's this.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
This year has been fun watching all these guys do
what they have done. And then if you look at it,
it's about four or five other guys that are on
the cusp of rushing over a thousand yards. You know,
this year may be an all time high as far
as yeah, you know thousands.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Right now with one thousand plus rushing yards last year
one player, Ye think about that. I also think about this.
As the game got more perimeter based, safeties got smaller,
so did linebackers. Yes, and I think the good coaches
went time out. We got two hundred and fourteen pound linebackers,
and then the game most of these running backs low
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center of gravity guys. They're punishing running back Kyraen Williams.
You can't get a hit on. You can't, So I
think it's shit. Well, to your point, the safeties and
linebackers got smaller and rangier, but not as physical.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Yes, because here's what happens.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So once upon a time, defensive schemes were scheming up
Tom Brady and the New England Patriots on how to
stop those guys. You think about all the receivers, so
guys got naturally smaller, so you're primarily playing with your
nickel personnel. So same thing with the Kansas City Chiefs,
the evolution of Patrick Mahomes. Teams are lining up trying
to take away all the different receiving threats that you
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have on the perimeter, which leads for what a light box.
So now you have an opportunity to run it even
more so, and you think about some of those guys
that are running the ball as efficiently as they are,
the players that are playing quarterback as well. There's also
guys out on the perimeter. So now it's like little
checks and balances because you have to be able to
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defend the run. But on top of that, now now
you get matchups on the perimeter where you get one
on one battles where guys are are going to have
opportunities now to make more plays efficiently down the field
by making the big throw off for play action passes.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Eric, the enemy is joining us. Before I let you go,
You've had opportunities to be a coach, You've interviewed. I mean,
it's a competitive world. Do you ever get frustrated some
people have thrown out a racial component how does that
land for you? When you interview you don't get it.
The media appears to be like, give this guy a chance.
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Is it hard on you and your family? How do
you view it? How does it land for you?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I look at it as an opportunity to grow. I've
had a number of opportunities to sit down with a
number of teams, and I've come away with a lot
just sitting down having that experience talking to those particular teams.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
And the thing that you can do is I'm a competitor.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
The only thing that you can do is go back
to the drawing board, you know, and figure out what
can I do to make it better? You know, I
grew up in a culture of being a resilient person.
My mom have always taught me. You know, you don't
worry about the things you can't control. Worry about what's
next and how you're going to control that particular moment.
So when it's all sitting down with no, you don't
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think about the negative. The only thing that you build
upon is the positives. What are some of the things
that you can come away with after learning and going
through this experience, and how is it going to help
you moving forward?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
So those are the.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Things that I focus on, and that's that's what's important
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Oh, I gotta ask you one more Yes, all your
years as a coordinator offensive coordinator, if I said to you,
name the one defensive player you hated facing that, you
would look at the film and think, Okay, it's gonna
blow that. Because Chris Jones is one of those guys
that other coordinators look at. He'll move up, he'll move
all over the defensive line. Was there a guy in
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this league You're doing this for ten years and every
time you faced him you thought, oh, heych.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
But there's probably a few of them. But one of
them that stands up, it's a young Von Miller. Vaughn
was a beast. Four years he was He was a beast. Oh, coach,
so he was in he was in Denver. Yes, how
did you block him?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
We tried?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Now, In fact, it was a funny story too, because,
first of all, I have the utmost respect for von
You talking about the premier pass rusher that also did
a great job of lining up and playing against the
rum in his a day. And that's not to take
away anything that he's doing now in Buffalo, But that
young kid, he was so hard to block. You had
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to scheme around him. I remember we played him and
had to be either twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen. He
beats Mitch off yede, Mitch probably is not going to
like me saying yes, Mitch was. And and here's the thing,
he probably was Vaughn's toughest matchup because Mitch was Mitch
was a smart He was smart. He was very strategic
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with it. He did a great job of timing up
his past sets. But it was this one time he
beats him, and so he's he beats him around, and
Pat scrambles to his left and Pat throws the ball
with his left hand and he completes it. And so
in the heat of the moment, now you got to understand,
we're in a two minute situation where we're.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Trying to go down and win the game.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And so I'm sitting there and and it's a lot
of chaos over the headsets and I'm like, damn, did
anybody see that. I'm talking to Coach Reid, and Coach
Reeds like, uh, e b, you gotta call a play.
You know, he gives me the pay. You gotta call
the play. I said, did anybody see.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
That, damn.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
So did he just made He was like, get the
play out, call the play and so after I get
to play called in We're like, yeah, we saw it.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
It was un that.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Was to play. Vaughn just beat his guy.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yes, but you're talking about a great player in this heyday.
I mean, unbelievable, hard to stop, you know, hard to
scheme around as.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Well, Eric being me pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Nice to meet you as well. Thank you for this opportunity.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
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Speaker 6 (23:19):
Patrick Mahomes, the bionic quarterback Colin. He got banged up
in that win over the Browns. They're calling it an
ankle injury. You got sandwich between a couple of defenders.
Mahomes spoke yesterday about his potential of playing in Week sixteen.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
At the end of the day, I'm not going to
put our team in a bad position. So if I
feel like I can play and go out there and
win a football game, I'll play. And if I don't
feel like that's the best case scenario, I'll lay Guys
like Carson play. I mean, he's a guy that's going
in this league as well. So it's just about pushing
it this week, seeing where I'm at and making the
best decision. We have a little bit of a room
to ton of spare, But at the end of the day,
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we're trying to win. We're trying to win the football game,
and I'm a competitor. I want to go out there
and play, So I'll push myself to get to the
best place possible over these next few days and we'll
be able to make a decision.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Then that sounds like he's playing, and the line is
dropping down to Texans minus one and a half at
Casey h.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I don't trust Houston. Come on, I think they're the
most good teams I have a feel for. I don't
even know it's Houston good.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I don't even know what they are a Seriously, I
don't even know.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Three turnovers from two really flip that game, actually get
a fumble two? So four, Yeah, I just I got
to stop my chiefs bashing.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know, I'm sure the guys you're sick of it,
but it would be nice.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
To see someone else go under center for a game.
Save Mahomes for the Christmas game against the Seal.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
We need Mahomes on Christmas. Now, you can't do it
into Carson Wentz on Christmas Day? Right, That's not well.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I mean, Netflexus is because Logan Paul. Logan Paul could
play quarterback. Do you see that story today?
Speaker 6 (24:59):
No?
Speaker 9 (24:59):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Then? You guys see that the Logan Paul Connor McGregor fight.
I'm not gonna boxing match. I'm not gonna watch it.
There's just no way. I list Netflix. I gave you
my tyson money and I came away thinking and that
felt a little sketchy. I can't do it. You can
burn me once, you're not burning me twice. I'm not
(25:22):
watching Connor mcgree. I'll watch the highlights. There's no way
Connor McGregor is going to go into it and try
to box Logan. Paul would knock him out way, way
bigger so.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That I totally forgot that.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
It is like, you know, one of these streaming services
all in on the Chiefs, Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes.
And now if you don't have Mahomes on, I'm you
think he plays or sits against Houston.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I think he plays. First of all, the kid is
he's tough. I mean he'll get hurt in game and
he's dog cussing Andy Reid like he wants to play.
And also the injury. When I watch the injury, he
has that twice a year. I mean. The bottom line
is he puts himself in these pretzel positions and he
gets whacked and he's always available to play.
Speaker 9 (26:05):
The guys.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You got to give the guy credit. His body, heels,
it's that dad, but dad body. Yeah, he's not built
like a violin. It's he's got a little he got
a little gravy and a little fun there and it's
his body. Some guy, I mean, Jared Goff never gets
I mean there's just certain guys in this league. They
get hit and they play. Yeah, and that other guys
like Carson Wentz, Mahomes backup. Historically heat missed a lot
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of time.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Next story is the Raiders continue their quest to stink
for sedure.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I guess that's the thing. They lost their tenth straight
last night.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Uh kind of got close there at the end, Vegas
having a shot with a hail Mary that was intercepted.
Antonio Pierce spoke about the losing streak after the game.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
You've seen the league this year one of those both ways,
and hell, we need a break, right, we need a
little prayer, guys, it all in listen, man, just we're
not winning.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Well, I'll tell y'all we're not winning. Do I want
to win?
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Here?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I want to win. I want to you sit there,
look at the same thing.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
Gonna have a weekend. I had to say, discussion. What
y'all know, We've got guy who's battling no matter next
man up right, you could poke harm and do all
this stuff, but these guys are not budget I'm not budgeting.
We'll keep chopping wood at some point. The damn they
were breaking gorwood.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, do you think he retains his job? What does
sa Door Sanders think?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
That's that's an unique to ask.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean, I'll say this, they were down to the
final play last night. They play hard.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I mean, how much of that was this? The falcons ineptitude?
Come on, who can't make.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
All I know? All I know is every week Kansas
City at Land. Every week I watch them. They're in
the game to the last couple.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Just for the record, the Raiders starting quarterback was Desmond Ritter. Yes,
and they're starting running back with someone named Sincere McCormack
or something.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I've never heard of.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
That guy before last week.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
And it's like they're actively trying to lose games.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, no they're not. They're not tanking. They're playing who
they think is just.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
This is no different than an NBA tank where you
look at the roster at March and you're like, who
are these guys.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Playing for the Pelican?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
The NBA does that. It's hard to tank in hockey
and football because you get your block.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Note it's a soft tank for the Raiders.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Come on, no, I think they I mean Rock Bauers
is trying his butt off. But other than that, like
they don't have anybody and you need that number one pick,
you gotta get Shador. I do think we're headed toward
another Eli Manning situation at the top Eli Manning or
John Elwit if the Giants get it. There are a
lot of smart people that are saying, hey, Chador does
not want to play for the Giant.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
You don't want to go to New York.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
He John's gone on record saying I'm gonna work behind
the scenes. So that's gonna be fun. I can't wait
for January. That's gonna be fun drama next month. And
we'll close out with the New York Football Jets, who are.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
On the hunt for a new coach and the new
GM and hopefully a new quarterback.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Yesterday, the team announced they had completed an interview with
former Falcons GM Thomas Dimitrov.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah did I say that right? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Yeah, Woody Johnson hired the thirty third team. I guess
that's a website in support to try to vet candidates.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah. I know him pretty well, the sharp guy. Yeah, okay,
one that took He's the one that took the big gamble.
Thomas took the big gamble, and he went and got
Julio Jones and gave up all those picks and people
are like, whoa. And then Julio became arguably the best
receiver in a decade.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
He was awesome.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Oh, he was in his prime. The Julio Jones was
Randy Moss like he was the best player. I just
liked that he took a big swing.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
On that did any postseason success to speak over?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
No from die, I don't know the answer.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I don't listen.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
I'm gonna be honest as a Jets fan. I'm just
stepping back from the process. I'm not like in it
in the weeds finding out because it's it's nothing's gonna.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Be done anytime soon. Right, this is just cursory interviews.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Maybe, I mean I I would be willing.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
To talk to him. I said this earlier. Of the
three broken franchises, Bears have the best quarterback, Giants have
the best history. The Jets, now that they have a
left tackle for the future, they have the best players.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Let me ask you, why are the Why are the
Cleveland Browns not a broken franchise they need to be in.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, they've made the playoffs a few years ago, and
they've got a great coach and an excellent GM and
the best pass rusher in the sport is terrible. Well, no,
I don't like the ownership, but I think they've got players.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
About the Jaguars, how are they not broken? They're drafting
in the top five for like the thirty.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You know they're not broken, but they're there's a tear.
It's torn it's not fully ruptured, just a tear in
the meniscus, right right right. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah we got Eric Bien. I mean Nick Wright stopped
by today. No, it is, it is. I I pose
this question if you're Mike Vrabel. The Jets have the
best players, the Giants have the best history and game
day revenue, they got a lot of money, and the
Bears have the best quarterback. And I've always lived by
a rule. I've lived by this forever. Money is important.
(30:56):
I'm not I'm not saying it's not. But if you
watch the NFL. I did this earlier today when I
showed if you look at the teams in first place,
take out the AFC South, take that out. That's a
weird division. I don't like the owners in that division.
I don't like any If you take out that division,
the first place team and off in the second. It's
(31:18):
not about just the best quarterback Buffalo's got in that division.
The best front office AFC North Steelers, Ravens, best front office,
AFC West right now, best front office, best ownership Chiefs
Philadelphia now with Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lowie in Washington.
(31:42):
I think Adam Peters is a rising star as a
general manager of Washington Tampa. I know the Glazer family
very well, non meddling, good people. Jason light the GM,
I've been telling you, is one of the best personnel
guys in the league. Detroit. Don't love the ownership, love
the on office Brad Holmes and Stan Cronky and the Rams.
(32:03):
They draft well do that. That defense is all draft
picks outside of safety.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
They got players people just you do you. So that's
why I said with Joe Douglas and Robert Sala, you
may not think Saula is a head coach. Joe Douglas
missed on a quarterback in a COVID year. So did
John Lynch and the Niners. The COVID year was a
was a curve ball to the league. So did the
Bears with fields.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I mean that, I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Everybody up take out that. Basically, Joe Douglas built this roster.
It is a good, good roster.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Small breaking news according to Jeremy Fowler.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
At the other place, the Tennessee Titans are making a
switch at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Oh Mason Rudolph is the logical candidate to step in
for will Levis.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
We last week both of us said, will Lewis will
probably give me shot next year. No, no, how many
times of the Benson this year?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Is this three? Well?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Definitely? So this is a fish. If you're going to
Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
They're in the market.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
And now listen, Jalen Milroe could get in play for
the Titans in the top ten because Callahan's gonna want
a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
He's an offensive guy. He worked with Joe Burrow at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Okay, so the Raiders Giants will draft a quarterback officially
at six. The Titans will pursue a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
You're gonna have to kick the tires and you can't
take yours there. I like yours. You can't take him
at six.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
No, No, I would take mill Rover. I don't know
if Milroll is gonna make it, but I'm physically I
think he's a much better Anthony Richardson. Now, you need
to be much much better.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Eric Bienemy has had an amazing career up for the
Heisman as a running back at Colorado. That was the
last time Colorado was great, really truly great. Two times
Super Bowl champ as a coordinator with Andy Reid, ten
full seasons with the Chiefs, and he is in studio.
He was at UCLA last year. So I got so
(00:46):
many things. I want to start with the big picture
on Mahomes. So he comes from you know, Texas Tech.
His dad was a major league player. Did they let
you in on him before they drafted him? Had you
heard in the building there was a young kid? Give
me and I'm trying to figure out the timeline because
they had Matt Naggi was there and then Eric b
(01:09):
Enemy and I'm trying to find figure out exactly when
you were there. But take me through your kind of
chronological order with Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Okay, so first and foremost coaching out there in Kansas City.
We're in the Big twelve country, so seeing Texas Tech
play every single weekend. And one thing, you know, uh,
we had a great staff. I mean we had Bret
Veach on staff as a GM. Obviously he was under
my man, Oh what was the original John Dorsey? He
(01:38):
was under Dorsey, And so you know, we had a
lot of guys Chris Ballard and the talk of the
town was always you know, have you guys seen these
throws that this kid has made?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
And we will watch the games.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
We got caught up in Big twelve football obviously, just
watching what Pat was doing, and so we got enamored
with him. We watched him grow as a player while
we were coaching, because everybody was a fan of football,
and so just watching him and seeing all the things
that he brought to the table, we all.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Were kind of on kind of end on it.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Chris Ballot was probably the lead scout at the point
on that point in time exactly. He loved loved him,
absolutely loved him. I think everybody in the building fell
in love with him. Now, did we think that we
would have a chance of getting him. No, but it's
amazing how things worked out, and obviously it's been it's
been history being made right before your eyes. The kid
(02:35):
is an unbelievable kid. He takes absolutely nothing for granted
and you just love him as a person and as
a competitor.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
When you so let's go to the first camp with Mahomes.
So you had the Alex Smith, who's a wonderful guy.
And were there moments did you drive home after a
practice or three and was there a moment for you
an epiphany when you're like, oh boy, this is different.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Let me see this. So, with all due respect to Alex, Okay,
we love Alex. Alex was a great quarterback. Here's one
thing Alex did. Alex provided a blueprint for Pat Mahomes
to follow, because first and foremost, Alex was a come early,
stay late guy.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
He was very professional.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
He's very diligent, all right, and everything that he did,
he took the game series, he studied, he was a
film junkie. So those are some of the things that
you know as an example of seeing I know the
player do it helped Patrick to grow Now watching Patrick,
and don't get me wrong, Every young quarterback has their
(03:41):
struggles every now and then, but there were certain throws
that you're seeing practicing, like, oh my goodness, did you
see that?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
And we just sit there, yes, like wait a minute,
did you see that throw?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And so there will always be those moments, and then
you just knew you had something special. And then he
had that opportunity to startup against Denver. I want to
say it was the last game of the season that
particular year, and he went out and he did his thing,
and not to anybody surprise, here we are, you know,
years later, looking at him and still watching him excel
(04:14):
at all the little things that a lot of people
didn't think that he can do because he came from
an air raid offense.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So obviously Andy Reid is a great play caller and
play designer. You've worked with a lot of good coaches,
Bobby Ross, What is the secret, sauce? If you were
to take if I said, Eric, you get a head
coaching job, take one thing from Andy Reid is his
(04:41):
What's the structure the foundational piece of Andy that makes
him arguably the best coach ever.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I think more than anything, it's probably the consistency. He's
a consistent individual. The Andy Reid that you see today
is the same Andy Reid that I played for in
nineteen ninety nine. Thing that I love about coach Read
is that he's very stern. He expects you to be
very professional. He expects all his coaches to be an
expert at their positions. He expects his players to work hard,
(05:12):
he expects them to be at their best when the
best is needed. And there's always a culture of accountability.
And when you have all that and you combined it together,
now you see the consistent winning performance that just takes
place throughout the course of the years. And so the
thing that I love about coach Read is that he's
provided that. And then on top and I got to
(05:33):
add one more thing, he's not afraid of change.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
He's not afraid of you know, and that does not
fear him.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
He wants to make sure that whatever needs to be done,
whatever we need to do to win.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And then you can obviously see that's been a theme
of this season. It doesn't matter what the score is.
When it's all saying done with, you're being measured. It
ain't about the numbers, it ain't about the stats, you're
being measured by two alphabets, the W or the L. Yeah,
and they've found a way to be thirteen and one
right now, and everybody wants to talk about what they
(06:09):
haven't done. But I'll say this, it's hard winning thirteen
games in the season, let alone being thirteen and one
at this particular point.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
And that's the credit to coach Read. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So you looked at all these quarterbacks coming out, Jaden
Daniels and bow Nicks and Caleb Williams and Michael Pennix
and JJ McCarthy. I thought Caleb was the most talented
at UCLA. You know the USC program. Well this year
you faced I think it was Miller bought No the
UNLV kid at the end when you watch Caleb struggling
(06:42):
in Chicago. How do they get it right? What's the
first step?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Well, I think more than anything, it's about the culture
in the atmosphere.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
So you want to.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Make sure that the kid is in a right culture,
meaning you have to build it around him. If you're
going to draft a franchise quarterback, you got to make
sure that.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And I'm not trying to step on anybody's toes or
place any judgment on anything. I think Ryan Poe's has
done a great job. Yes, Ryan is a very good friend,
and I've known him for a number of years because
we spent a number of years together in Kansas City.
But you want to make sure that you're building that organization,
that program around him.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Everything benefits him exactly, And everything always starts and ends
up front.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
So you got to build it with those guys.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And a defensive coach, and that worried me.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And so I'm not into who's doing hiring and all
the firing, but one thing I do. You know, anytime
you're drafting a franchise quarterback, you got to surround it
with the right people. You got to make sure the
right people are in his ear. You got to do
the things that he likes and feels comfortable with, and
then you start branching out and developing him and teaching
(07:55):
him other things along the way.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
And so, yes, the kid is specially he's a dynamic.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Football player, but it starts with a culture and having
this opportunity to coach in the number of AFC championship
games and being on a Super Bowl winning team.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
It starts and ends up top. It starts with everything
the beach to everybody you know.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And when you're in the first class organization and with
first class people, you know everything is done the right way.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Where there be mistakes made along the way, sure, yes they.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Will, but it always starts up top, and you want
to surround your quarterback with the right people that's going
to help him to develop and grow.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So Belichick's going to college, My take is he is
building a pro model college. College athletic departments can be
high maintenance. People are very parochial. They have their space.
And Belichick's coming in with his NFL guys and he's like, yeah,
I'm not going to volleyball matches. Is it's Bill's smart.
(09:03):
But he's a pro coach and you're a pro coach
and you went to UCLA. If you could give him
what was the first shocking thing?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
What?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And again, Kansas City is a well run pro football operation.
The first thing if you if you could whisper one
thing to build, hey, be careful about blank what would
is that?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
The only thing that if anything that I disliked or
about the college game is the lack of time that
we have to teach. And so I pride myself on
being a teacher, and you know there's a twenty hour rule.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
You only get so much time to deal with young men.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
And it's always have felt that it is our duty
as coaches to make sure that if there's a player
that's special enough, it's our responsibility of making sure we're
providing this kid with all the necessary tools that's going
to give him the best opportunity to play early in
the NFL if he's talented enough.
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Speaker 1 (11:06):
Eric b Enemy for our radio audience. And here's the thing.
That's why the NFL is it's the great scheme league
for coaches. College is the recruiting league. Yes, you can
only do you can only layer a college kid with
so much. Yes, you only get twenty hours. So Belichick
is not a recruiter. He's a scheme genius. And that's
why Andy Reid in college would probably be exhausted by
(11:29):
having to go to San Bernardino and look at a
receiver instead of teaching them his plays. And so I
feel he's gonna be now Are you surprised because you're
a former Colorado great? Are you surprised by Colorado has
no money? They like you see a light, not a
lot of dollars there for nil. Are you surprised at
the success that he has had? Don not at all.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I tell you what, knowing Rick George and knowing everything
that Rick George wonted ad, Yes, exactly. Rick George is
a great friend of mine, very close friend. He was
there when we played in the National Championships era, but
him in primetime as they hit it off really and yes,
they hit it off, and there's a nucleus, there's a bond.
(12:13):
So I thought Rick, first of all, Deon did a
heck of a job of selling his vision to Rick.
But on top of that, you can see the vision
coming through because Deon did a great job of basically
helping those young men to go out there and be successful.
But on top of that, just building a competitive program
by building it with the right people, I thought you
(12:34):
did a great job.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Hey, Travis Hunter, I plan at corner as a former
offensive coordinator in the NFL for years. Here's my concern.
You can't be a part time receiver. It's a timing position.
So what would you do. You're a coordinator and you
get Travis Hunter and he's like, hey, coach, I want
to do some offense and returning, but he's an elite
(12:56):
Sauce Gardener level corner. How would you integrate him in
to some of the offense. I don't think he can
be your number one receiver in your number one corner.
Well how but if you had to, you only got
him for half the practice.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
So, first and foremost, congratulations with Travis Hunter on winning
the Heisman. Troll is great, the second Heisman Trophy winner
in the history of Colorado football, so outstanding. Second of all,
I have to answer this question biasedly because, and don't
get me wrong, I think the kid is a tremendous athlete.
I'm selfish. I'm on the office side of the ball.
(13:31):
I want him to play receiver for me.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Right and so.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
But because I watch all the dynamic things that the
kid does, he's a he makes the catch, I would
use him just like I would use any other players
play jet sweeps.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Certain routes.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I mean the kid is he can run, He has
an unbelievable hand and eye coordination. He can track the football.
He can come out and in and out.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Of his breaks. He transition as well.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I mean, the kid is a great football player, and
obviously he's one of the best because of the numbers
that have shown when on top of that, the trophy
speaks for itself. But the kid is also a competitive kid. Yes,
and don't get me, I think the kid is a
dynamic college.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Football anyway, a great receiver.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I think the kid could be an outstanding receiver and so.
But you gotta pick and shoes aside. In my opinion,
it's just my humble opinion. You gotta take a side, yes,
because it takes away, it takes now. He could be
a dynamic, great corner. Just like you said, he does
have those skills and ability to be the next time.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You know what, here's my takeaway on that air. It's
an offensive league. A lot of bad teams. The Jets
have great corners, but if you have dual weapons like
the Rams', it's an offensive league. Yes, a corner has limitations.
Patrick Sertain is unbelievable. Yes, but it's Sean Payton the offense,
(14:57):
the left tackle. I just think if I have I
think he's going to be a better corner than a receiver.
But I think receivers more valuable now than a great corner.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Because you can design and get him involved in the
game early and often.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Okay, and that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Whereas he's happened an opportunity to touch the.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Football twelve fifteen times, great.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Things can happen.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah, And so you would implement him in your in
your office herein.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So a year ago, people were lamenting that running backs
they're never going to get paid. You were a running back,
and they're never going to get paid. And now here's
Dereck Henry and you're watching Green Bay. Now, Josh Jacobs,
that's a power run team. Detroit's a power run team.
Baltimore is a power run team. So rams with Kyraen Williams. Yes,
So why do you think in the last year Saquon Barkley,
(15:45):
it feels like Eric there is a little bit of
a pivot back to the running back.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Why this game has a way of bai cyclical.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Everything that you think was outdated, it seems to come
right back. One thing that I've always have known, you
throw the ball, Okay, to win, You throw the ball
to win football games, to score touchdowns, all right, but
you gotta run it to win a championship. What it's
all sayting done with the game is still one upfront,
(16:15):
all right, whether it's the.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Old lion or the defensive line. If you can run the.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Ball, it takes so much pressure off the quarter.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Also, it eats clock.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
It eats clock you.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Get into these close late games. That's what Josh Allen
has never had. Until James Cook, he had leads. They
couldn't eat the clock.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Up because it becomes a game of possessions. And so
if you're taking care of the football ball security, you're
running the ball, it limits the opponent and so it
limits the opponent's opportunities. But on top of that, it
applies pressure to that team because now they feel forced
to be perfect, to drive the ball, to late to
the field, to go out and put points on the board.
(16:53):
But when it's all sitting done with, those teams that
are doing a great job of running the ball, those
are gonna be teams that are gonna be wrecking with
come playoff time because they're hard to stop. And then
you watch what they're doing up in Green Bay, I
mean with that cold weather, you know, running the ball
as efficiently as they are. I mean, you're watching Philly
do what they do.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
But it's this.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
This year has been fun watching all these guys do
what they have done. And then if you look at it,
it's about four or five other guys that are on
the cusp of rushing over a thousand yards. You know,
this year may be an all time high as far
as yeah, you know thousands.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Right now with one thousand plus rushing yards last year
one player, Ye think about that. I also think about this.
As the game got more perimeter based, safeties got smaller,
so did linebackers. Yes, and I think the good coaches
went time out. We got two hundred and fourteen pound linebackers,
and then the game most of these running backs low
(17:54):
center of gravity guys. They're punishing running back Kyraen Williams.
You can't get a hit on. You can't, So I
think it's shit. Well, to your point, the safeties and
linebackers got smaller and rangier, but not as physical.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Yes, because here's what happens.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So once upon a time, defensive schemes were scheming up
Tom Brady and the New England Patriots on how to
stop those guys. You think about all the receivers, so
guys got naturally smaller, so you're primarily playing with your
nickel personnel. So same thing with the Kansas City Chiefs,
the evolution of Patrick Mahomes. Teams are lining up trying
to take away all the different receiving threats that you
(18:30):
have on the perimeter, which leads for what a light box.
So now you have an opportunity to run it even
more so, and you think about some of those guys
that are running the ball as efficiently as they are,
the players that are playing quarterback as well. There's also
guys out on the perimeter. So now it's like little
checks and balances because you have to be able to
(18:53):
defend the run. But on top of that, now now
you get matchups on the perimeter where you get one
on one battles where guys are are going to have
opportunities now to make more plays efficiently down the field
by making the big throw off for play action passes.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Eric, the enemy is joining us. Before I let you go,
You've had opportunities to be a coach, You've interviewed. I mean,
it's a competitive world. Do you ever get frustrated some
people have thrown out a racial component how does that
land for you? When you interview you don't get it.
The media appears to be like, give this guy a chance.
(19:28):
Is it hard on you and your family? How do
you view it? How does it land for you?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I look at it as an opportunity to grow. I've
had a number of opportunities to sit down with a
number of teams, and I've come away with a lot
just sitting down having that experience talking to those particular teams.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
And the thing that you can do is I'm a competitor.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
The only thing that you can do is go back
to the drawing board, you know, and figure out what
can I do to make it better? You know, I
grew up in a culture of being a resilient person.
My mom have always taught me. You know, you don't
worry about the things you can't control. Worry about what's
next and how you're going to control that particular moment.
So when it's all sitting down with no, you don't
(20:09):
think about the negative. The only thing that you build
upon is the positives. What are some of the things
that you can come away with after learning and going
through this experience, and how is it going to help
you moving forward?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
So those are the.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Things that I focus on, and that's that's what's important
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Oh, I gotta ask you one more Yes, all your
years as a coordinator offensive coordinator, if I said to you,
name the one defensive player you hated facing that, you
would look at the film and think, Okay, it's gonna
blow that. Because Chris Jones is one of those guys
that other coordinators look at. He'll move up, he'll move
all over the defensive line. Was there a guy in
(20:47):
this league You're doing this for ten years and every
time you faced him you thought, oh, heych.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
But there's probably a few of them. But one of
them that stands up, it's a young Von Miller. Vaughn
was a beast. Four years he was He was a beast. Oh, coach,
so he was in he was in Denver. Yes, how
did you block him?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
We tried?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Now, In fact, it was a funny story too, because,
first of all, I have the utmost respect for von
You talking about the premier pass rusher that also did
a great job of lining up and playing against the
rum in his a day. And that's not to take
away anything that he's doing now in Buffalo, But that
young kid, he was so hard to block. You had
(21:32):
to scheme around him. I remember we played him and
had to be either twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen. He
beats Mitch off yede, Mitch probably is not going to
like me saying yes, Mitch was. And and here's the thing,
he probably was Vaughn's toughest matchup because Mitch was Mitch
was a smart He was smart. He was very strategic
(21:54):
with it. He did a great job of timing up
his past sets. But it was this one time he
beats him, and so he's he beats him around, and
Pat scrambles to his left and Pat throws the ball
with his left hand and he completes it. And so
in the heat of the moment, now you got to understand,
we're in a two minute situation where we're.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Trying to go down and win the game.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And so I'm sitting there and and it's a lot
of chaos over the headsets and I'm like, damn, did
anybody see that. I'm talking to Coach Reid, and Coach
Reeds like, uh, e b, you gotta call a play.
You know, he gives me the pay. You gotta call
the play. I said, did anybody see.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
That, damn.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
So did he just made He was like, get the
play out, call the play and so after I get
to play called in We're like, yeah, we saw it.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
It was un that.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Was to play. Vaughn just beat his guy.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yes, but you're talking about a great player in this heyday.
I mean, unbelievable, hard to stop, you know, hard to
scheme around as.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Well, Eric being me pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Nice to meet you as well. Thank you for this opportunity.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Of course, Yes, I will take a break. Herd Line
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Speaker 5 (23:04):
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Speaker 2 (23:04):
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Speaker 1 (23:09):
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Speaker 2 (23:16):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Patrick Mahomes, the bionic quarterback Colin. He got banged up
in that win over the Browns. They're calling it an
ankle injury. You got sandwich between a couple of defenders.
Mahomes spoke yesterday about his potential of playing in Week sixteen.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
At the end of the day, I'm not going to
put our team in a bad position. So if I
feel like I can play and go out there and
win a football game, I'll play. And if I don't
feel like that's the best case scenario, I'll lay Guys
like Carson play. I mean, he's a guy that's going
in this league as well. So it's just about pushing
it this week, seeing where I'm at and making the
best decision. We have a little bit of a room
to ton of spare, But at the end of the day,
(23:54):
we're trying to win. We're trying to win the football game,
and I'm a competitor. I want to go out there
and play, So I'll push myself to get to the
best place possible over these next few days and we'll
be able to make a decision.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Then that sounds like he's playing, and the line is
dropping down to Texans minus one and a half at
Casey h.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I don't trust Houston. Come on, I think they're the
most good teams I have a feel for. I don't
even know it's Houston good.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I don't even know what they are a Seriously, I
don't even know.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Three turnovers from two really flip that game, actually get
a fumble two? So four, Yeah, I just I got
to stop my chiefs bashing.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know, I'm sure the guys you're sick of it,
but it would be nice.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
To see someone else go under center for a game.
Save Mahomes for the Christmas game against the Seal.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
We need Mahomes on Christmas. Now, you can't do it
into Carson Wentz on Christmas Day? Right, That's not well.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I mean, Netflexus is because Logan Paul. Logan Paul could
play quarterback. Do you see that story today?
Speaker 6 (24:59):
No?
Speaker 9 (24:59):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Then? You guys see that the Logan Paul Connor McGregor fight.
I'm not gonna boxing match. I'm not gonna watch it.
There's just no way. I list Netflix. I gave you
my tyson money and I came away thinking and that
felt a little sketchy. I can't do it. You can
burn me once, you're not burning me twice. I'm not
(25:22):
watching Connor mcgree. I'll watch the highlights. There's no way
Connor McGregor is going to go into it and try
to box Logan. Paul would knock him out way, way
bigger so.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That I totally forgot that.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
It is like, you know, one of these streaming services
all in on the Chiefs, Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes.
And now if you don't have Mahomes on, I'm you
think he plays or sits against Houston.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I think he plays. First of all, the kid is
he's tough. I mean he'll get hurt in game and
he's dog cussing Andy Reid like he wants to play.
And also the injury. When I watch the injury, he
has that twice a year. I mean. The bottom line
is he puts himself in these pretzel positions and he
gets whacked and he's always available to play.
Speaker 9 (26:05):
The guys.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You got to give the guy credit. His body, heels,
it's that dad, but dad body. Yeah, he's not built
like a violin. It's he's got a little he got
a little gravy and a little fun there and it's
his body. Some guy, I mean, Jared Goff never gets
I mean there's just certain guys in this league. They
get hit and they play. Yeah, and that other guys
like Carson Wentz, Mahomes backup. Historically heat missed a lot
(26:29):
of time.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Next story is the Raiders continue their quest to stink
for sedure.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I guess that's the thing. They lost their tenth straight
last night.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Uh kind of got close there at the end, Vegas
having a shot with a hail Mary that was intercepted.
Antonio Pierce spoke about the losing streak after the game.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
You've seen the league this year one of those both ways,
and hell, we need a break, right, we need a
little prayer, guys, it all in listen, man, just we're
not winning.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Well, I'll tell y'all we're not winning. Do I want
to win?
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Here?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I want to win. I want to you sit there,
look at the same thing.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
Gonna have a weekend. I had to say, discussion. What
y'all know, We've got guy who's battling no matter next
man up right, you could poke harm and do all
this stuff, but these guys are not budget I'm not budgeting.
We'll keep chopping wood at some point. The damn they
were breaking gorwood.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, do you think he retains his job? What does
sa Door Sanders think?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
That's that's an unique to ask.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean, I'll say this, they were down to the
final play last night. They play hard.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I mean, how much of that was this? The falcons ineptitude?
Come on, who can't make.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
All I know? All I know is every week Kansas
City at Land. Every week I watch them. They're in
the game to the last couple.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Just for the record, the Raiders starting quarterback was Desmond Ritter. Yes,
and they're starting running back with someone named Sincere McCormack
or something.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I've never heard of.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
That guy before last week.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
And it's like they're actively trying to lose games.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, no they're not. They're not tanking. They're playing who
they think is just.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
This is no different than an NBA tank where you
look at the roster at March and you're like, who
are these guys.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Playing for the Pelican?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
The NBA does that. It's hard to tank in hockey
and football because you get your block.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Note it's a soft tank for the Raiders.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Come on, no, I think they I mean Rock Bauers
is trying his butt off. But other than that, like
they don't have anybody and you need that number one pick,
you gotta get Shador. I do think we're headed toward
another Eli Manning situation at the top Eli Manning or
John Elwit if the Giants get it. There are a
lot of smart people that are saying, hey, Chador does
not want to play for the Giant.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
You don't want to go to New York.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
He John's gone on record saying I'm gonna work behind
the scenes. So that's gonna be fun. I can't wait
for January. That's gonna be fun drama next month. And
we'll close out with the New York Football Jets, who are.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
On the hunt for a new coach and the new
GM and hopefully a new quarterback.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Yesterday, the team announced they had completed an interview with
former Falcons GM Thomas Dimitrov.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah did I say that right? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Yeah, Woody Johnson hired the thirty third team. I guess
that's a website in support to try to vet candidates.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah. I know him pretty well, the sharp guy. Yeah, okay,
one that took He's the one that took the big gamble.
Thomas took the big gamble, and he went and got
Julio Jones and gave up all those picks and people
are like, whoa. And then Julio became arguably the best
receiver in a decade.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
He was awesome.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Oh, he was in his prime. The Julio Jones was
Randy Moss like he was the best player. I just
liked that he took a big swing.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
On that did any postseason success to speak over?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
No from die, I don't know the answer.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I don't listen.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
I'm gonna be honest as a Jets fan. I'm just
stepping back from the process. I'm not like in it
in the weeds finding out because it's it's nothing's gonna.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Be done anytime soon. Right, this is just cursory interviews.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Maybe, I mean I I would be willing.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
To talk to him. I said this earlier. Of the
three broken franchises, Bears have the best quarterback, Giants have
the best history. The Jets, now that they have a
left tackle for the future, they have the best players.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Let me ask you, why are the Why are the
Cleveland Browns not a broken franchise they need to be in.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, they've made the playoffs a few years ago, and
they've got a great coach and an excellent GM and
the best pass rusher in the sport is terrible. Well, no,
I don't like the ownership, but I think they've got players.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
About the Jaguars, how are they not broken? They're drafting
in the top five for like the thirty.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You know they're not broken, but they're there's a tear.
It's torn it's not fully ruptured, just a tear in
the meniscus, right right right. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah we got Eric Bien. I mean Nick Wright stopped
by today. No, it is, it is. I I pose
this question if you're Mike Vrabel. The Jets have the
best players, the Giants have the best history and game
day revenue, they got a lot of money, and the
Bears have the best quarterback. And I've always lived by
a rule. I've lived by this forever. Money is important.
(30:56):
I'm not I'm not saying it's not. But if you
watch the NFL. I did this earlier today when I
showed if you look at the teams in first place,
take out the AFC South, take that out. That's a
weird division. I don't like the owners in that division.
I don't like any If you take out that division,
the first place team and off in the second. It's
(31:18):
not about just the best quarterback Buffalo's got in that division.
The best front office AFC North Steelers, Ravens, best front office,
AFC West right now, best front office, best ownership Chiefs
Philadelphia now with Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lowie in Washington.
(31:42):
I think Adam Peters is a rising star as a
general manager of Washington Tampa. I know the Glazer family
very well, non meddling, good people. Jason light the GM,
I've been telling you, is one of the best personnel
guys in the league. Detroit. Don't love the ownership, love
the on office Brad Holmes and Stan Cronky and the Rams.
(32:03):
They draft well do that. That defense is all draft
picks outside of safety.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
They got players people just you do you. So that's
why I said with Joe Douglas and Robert Sala, you
may not think Saula is a head coach. Joe Douglas
missed on a quarterback in a COVID year. So did
John Lynch and the Niners. The COVID year was a
was a curve ball to the league. So did the
Bears with fields.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I mean that, I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Everybody up take out that. Basically, Joe Douglas built this roster.
It is a good, good roster.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Small breaking news according to Jeremy Fowler.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
At the other place, the Tennessee Titans are making a
switch at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Oh Mason Rudolph is the logical candidate to step in
for will Levis.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
We last week both of us said, will Lewis will
probably give me shot next year. No, no, how many
times of the Benson this year?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Is this three? Well?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Definitely? So this is a fish. If you're going to
Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
They're in the market.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
And now listen, Jalen Milroe could get in play for
the Titans in the top ten because Callahan's gonna want
a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
He's an offensive guy. He worked with Joe Burrow at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Okay, so the Raiders Giants will draft a quarterback officially
at six. The Titans will pursue a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
You're gonna have to kick the tires and you can't
take yours there. I like yours. You can't take him
at six.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
No, No, I would take mill Rover. I don't know
if Milroll is gonna make it, but I'm physically I
think he's a much better Anthony Richardson. Now, you need
to be much much better.
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