August 21, 2024 • 31 mins
Colin talks to Greg Cosell from NFL Films to breakdown what we've seen from Bo Nix, Michael Penix and Daniel Jones
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So Greg Cosel's been working forty five years at NFL Films.
He joins us live. There's some Pleaseason stuff that's interesting.
I've said before there's one or two things that have
jumped out to me. So one of the things that's
jumped out to me is Bonnicks. I've seen you know,
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six seven drives. He just I mean, listen, you can
watch guys in any line of work and you go
that person knows what he's doing. It doesn't guarantee he's
gonna win twelve games. But I'm watching the kid move.
He was accurate, clearly, clearly, cognitively, he's in and out
of plays.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Fast.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I mean, what is your take on what you're seeing
with plus Sean Payton helps as well.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, And I think one thing you notice with Nix
is he looks very similar to what he did at Oregon.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
He looks in control.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
He's a quick rhythm thrower, not a big gun, but
he can run your offense. And one of the things
that maybe a lot of people Colin are not aware
of is he called all the protections at Oregon and
that is a big positive stepping stone as you make
the transition to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And actually, we just see this throw to Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
That's also an example of Sean Payton because what Sean
Payton does so well is he creates route combinations that
really define the reads and.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
The throws for the quarterback. So Nicks really only has
to read one defender.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
He doesn't have to go through a lengthy process to
figure things out, and that's where coaching comes into play.
But you're one hundred percent right. He looks like a
very comfortable quarterback. And the other thing I noticed he
was better in the second preseason game than the first.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
The first preseason game, he showed a little.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Bit of a tendency to break down too quickly in
the pocket, and guys that can move have a tendency
to do that, particularly when they get to the NFL
when the game's a little faster. Even though it's preseason,
the game's still a little faster. I thought in the
second preseason game he was a little more comfortable. But
clearly it's been a positive. But he looks like he
did at Oregon.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Uh Caleb Williams speaking of moving, we know he can
do that. You know. The criticism was he can be
a little bit of an ad liver. What have you
seen so far?
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I actually thought the first throw of the preseason, which
was third and twelve, was to me, his best play.
We know he can make that throw to a Dounsday
running to his left, and again, that's clearly special.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I'm not saying it's not special.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
But the first throw that he made in the preseason
on third and twelve, that was an example where he
looked to his right, he had to come back to
his left based on the coverage, and he read it out,
stayed in the pocket and delivered the ball to DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
There's learning plays as well, Colin.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
There was a play in this last preseason game where
the design of the play worked and he had Pettis
wide opened down the seam. But you know what he
did Williams, which he had a tendency to do in college.
He climbed the pocket for no reason. There was no
reason for him to do that, and he created his
own sack. That's a learning play. You want to see
those plays in the preseason. Coaches want to see those
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plays because then they can teach because don't forget, he
was sacked at USC.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Didn't have a great old line.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
We know that, but he was sacked over eighty times
in two years at USC, and many of those were
on him, not just the old line. So that's the
learning part that coaches want to see. It's not a
negative to say that. In many ways, it's a positive
because you want to work through those things in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Jayden Daniels I liked him in college. I like him.
Now what say you? What's what do you see?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Another guy that looks really really comfortable dropping back throwing
the ball, doesn't look to get out of the pocket.
I think what stood out because he played far more
snaps in his second preseason game, was just a ball
placement he was able and again these were not necessarily
long throws, but again it's the routine throws that you
have to make.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Kurt Warner talks about that all the time, and he's right.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You can't miss the layups in the National Football League
as a quarterback. So it's all about ball placement and
it has to be precise. And Daniels showed that his
last year at LSU. He's shown that early on in
these preseason games, and that's something you can take away
that has nothing to do with what the coverage might
be or if they're blitzing or not blitzing. You want
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to see a quarterback lay the ball. Look at this
throw that was in the first game, and I believe
the audible to that play. You want to see the
precise ball location because you just can't miss layups in
this league.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, Michael Pennix didn't play much. They sat him, They
made just they may just say, Greg, we just don't
we're going to We saw JJ McCarthy. We're sitting him down.
Is that worry at all?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Again, he played in the first preseason game and I thought,
again this is not an ex and no statement, but
Colin you've looked at quarterbacks like I have for a
long time. He just looked comfortable. He knew where to
go with the football. He did not play fast. He
understood the route concepts. He understood the coverage when it
was one on one working to the outside here on
the vertical route. He knew when to go to a
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checkdown within the timing of the play. He just looked
like a professional quarterback. Now he's obviously not going to play,
assuming everything is fine with Kirk Cousins, and I'm sure
through training camp in this first preseason game, they felt
they saw what.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
They needed to see.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But Pennix, I think, look, people kind of rip the
Falcons when they made that pick, but in their mind,
right or wrong, they now believe they've got the quarterback
position all taken care of for the next ten years.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So you know, Drake May had lousy footwork at Carolina,
the comp was hurt, and he made a couple of
plays last week, And I got to be honest with you,
he looked physically like Justin Herbert. He literally looks like him.
He's raw. How raw do you think he is?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I'm not sure he's at quite as raw as people
think he had a few things he has to clean up.
He tended to drift to his left in the pocket,
and that you have to clean up in the National
Football League because otherwise you create your own pressure.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
But I think that he's comfortable.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I mean, he came off some reads and went through progressions.
I thought, again, it's preseason, so we have to understand
what we're talking about. But you can still look at
a quarterback in a vacuum. You can isolate his play
without worrying about all the other things.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And he looked comfortable.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
He made a really good deep ball throw to Baker
that he dropped. He went through a progression on a
dig ball on third and six that looked very, very comfortable.
I got a chance to speak to some coaches at
North Carolina, where he played, and you know, they told me,
in their mind, there is no.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Bust fact at all with Drake May.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
That you have to know the kid, know the way
he works, know how he sees the game, know how
his teammates respond.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So I like Drake May.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I thought he was the toolsiest quarterback in this draft Colin,
because I got a chance to stand next to him.
I don't know if you've ever seen him in person,
I haven't, but he's a big dude, and that is
a trait.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
He six four five is a trait.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah. Even on that last play running into the m zone,
he looks like Justin Herbert to me. So I'm watching
the Steelers and now they've had some musical chairs because
of injury. But when you have when you have mobile
quarterbacks and they're hit ten times and sacked four, is
it the new OC? Is it injuries? That offensive line
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they looked out of sorts. I what am I supposed
to make of that? In Pittsburgh?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah, the on line was bad in this last preseason game,
particularly the right tackle Broderick Jones, who's the second year player,
who is a first round pick and he's got a
long way to go still. But but you're dealing with
two quarterbacks Colin and Fields and Wilson, neither one as
a pure timing and rhythm player. That's not their game.
So now you have to think about what you want
your offense to look like. Author Smith is there. There's
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going to be a lot of play action. I think
they'll be quarterback design runs. You can make the argument,
and I have no idea how it's going to play out,
but you can make the argument, since neither one is
truly an efficient pocket player, you can make the argument
that Fields ultimately gives them more because you're going to
have more of a quarterback run game with Fields than
you will with Wilson.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So again, we.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Don't know how it'll play out, but neither quarterback is
truly that kind of rhythmic player. So we'll see. But
you know, Fields look the same as he always does.
He just doesn't see it as quickly. Wilson the last
couple of years has not seen it as quickly as
you would like. So they're both similar when you talk
about their pocket skills, but Fields gives you more as
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a runner.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know, it is interesting that you can have so
many traits. Daniel Jones is big, he moves well, his
arm's fine, and he just makes mistakes. It always feels
like the Stingley interception. It's like, Daniel, you got to
miss that on the other side. You can't miss that
on the inside. I don't know how. It just doesn't work.
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And I know he's getting good coaching. I mean, what's
missing with Daniel Jones When you look at film, it's
that size, arm movement.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
No, I mean his performance was a little on even
in this last preseason game.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Obviously, he had the one reckless, undisciplined, probably stupid interception
that would went for a touchdown. The Stingley interception was
a really good play by Stingley. It was probably a
touch short. I thought he could have thrown that ball
with a little more trajectory. We're looking at it right here.
It probably needed a little more air under the throw.
They wanted to work on a very specific thing in
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this game. It was evident from the tape, Colin, and
that's what preseason is often for. They wanted to work
on their play action pass game with deep drops. They
wanted him to push the ball down the field, and
they wanted to see how they're O line would protect
because that's an issue for them, the old line. So
they wanted to work on something specific. But one of
the areas in which he's not very good, and I
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don't know if at this point in his career that
will happen, is he's not very good at pocket movement.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I'm not talking about running out of the pocket.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
He is athletic and he can make plays with his leg, yeah,
but he's not really a pocket mover. He doesn't really
evade rush and move within an area oh the size
of a boxing ring or a little smaller, and then
reset his throwing platform and deliver comfortably. That's an area
that ultimately you'd like him to really be good at.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
He just hasn't been very good at that, and that's
something he needs.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
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Speaker 1 (10:49):
Sam Darnold, I think a lot of it has been
he doesn't and I think he's got the right coach
left tackle weapons. If he's ever gonna succeed, this is it.
It's also not great defensive division outside of Chicago. When
I think we both like Donald, if I said to you,
I've never seen him, Greg, what's his fatal flaw? Why
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doesn't it work? Because again, size, movement, arm strength so
much does.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I think Donald's one of those guys up to this
point that just doesn't see it as cleanly as you
would like. And he's fortunately in an offense under Kevin O'Connell,
who came from the Rams. He's also worked with Kyle
Shanahan where he does as good a job as any
of sort of that tree of coaching Shanahan McVeigh, that
tree of presenting a defined read and a clean throw,
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and that's what Donald needs. Look, Colin, every offensive coordinator
wants the first read to be the throw. We know
that the primary read to be the throw that doesn't
happen all the time in the NFL. I think Kevin O'Connell,
through his use of formations, motions, he'll do as good
a job as anybody that Donald's been around as a starter.
He was not the starter in San Francisco a year ago,
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but any place he's been with a as a starter
of presenting that for him, and that's what he needs
because he's really not a great progression reader. He doesn't
quite see it as clearly as you would like. So
you have to define it as best you can for him.
Because he's big, he can throw it. He's got movement,
just like you said, and you know him well from
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usc being at where you are, you know it looks
like he has everything you want. It's just that you
know he doesn't see it the way you want it.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Finally, you know I've said this Aaron Rodgers has taken
four snaps in five hundred days. The offensive line could
be good, but it's even they got a rookie. They
got old guys. And I said this, the last time
I saw Aaron in Green Bay, he wasn't as good
as Jordan Love is now he passer rated. I was
around Daniel Jones, and it's like, folks, he's forty a
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defensive coach, a suboptimal offensive coordinator, a new offensive line.
Is it very And I don't see him as a
top five or six quarterback anymore because I don't think
he's as dynamic as Lamar. He doesn't throw quite sometimes
like Stafford and Mahomes. I don't think there's a ton
left in the tank. I could be wrong, but four
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snaps in five hundred days. The last year in Green Bay,
he didn't fall off a cliff. But is it possible
that Aaron's not going to be the savior we think
and the defense will have to lead him.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, they do have a really good defense, but we
don't really know the answer to that. I mean, he
was not quite as mobile as last year in Green Bay,
and now he's coming off a really significant injury. It's
very possible that he may end up being essentially a
pocketing quarterback. Yeah, which means the offensive line becomes really critical.
Tyron Smith up to this point's been healthy. When he
was healthy last year, he still looked like a top
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five type left tackle Vera. Tucker's been healthy. The key
is that offensive line because the nature of that injury.
At his age, he's not likely to have anywhere near
the same mobility that he once had, and he didn't
have that even before the injury his year in Green Bay.
So we know he can still throw at kylein I
don't think we have any question that Aaron Rodgers, who
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may be the best thrower we've ever seen. I'm sure
he still throws it really well, but I think the
nature of his game might change.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Greg Cosel forty five years NFL Film. What a pleasure
to see you again, Greg, as always, we will talk
soon and thank you all.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Right, Coyle looking forward to another year.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Thank you you bet. Oh look at this just breaking news?
Do you see this?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I did?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Is it in the update or you want me to
announce it? Go ahead, go ahead, it did very big news.
Sean Payton, officially only named Bonick, says the starting quarterback.
It's like naming Brady the starter in New England year five.
It's obvious he.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Narrowly beat out Zach Wilson. You didn't read that line
from the line on the copy.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That's pretty early the name of a starting quarterback.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
Oh, he was so dominant over the weekend they separated.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Congrats excellent talented backups, Jarrett Stidham, who's not cheap? Zach Wilson.
Those guys, those are way above average backups, way above
average backups. If you say so, you don't think Zach
Wilson's above average backup.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Well, I mean, unfortunately, I saw Zach Wilson for the
last what three years in New York, and he's definitely
I don't even know if he's a backup.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
In this league.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
I think he's gonna be slinging pizzas here in like
two years.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
How come on, come on, now, boneix.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
Your guy into a victory lap. Bring to Bick's jersey.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I don't wear jury.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
By the way, if the Jets beat the Niners on
the Monday night football game, can I wear a Jets
T shirt on Tuesday?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
You do it? Anyway? What's the point?
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Can tho seriously.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I don't make the rules here. I don't do wardrobe.
I don't make I don't call.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I thought I thought this was your show. Your name's
on the banner, bro, you're running the show.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The name. Do you think there's a guy named Wells Fargo?
It's just a name. I mean, it just doesn't mean
it's just a name on the show. It doesn't mean
I have any control over anything on the show. Budgets
don't handle controlling you forget it. Days off for staff, No,
say I'm out here. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Every day to the news before you get yourself in trouble.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay, but come what j mackwinn News.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Let's start with Travis Kelsey. He's got a budding acting
career now that he's got Taylor Swift by his side.
Kelsey already has a role in Ryan Murphy's new series
debuting next month, and he hosted SNL before.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
But now Kelsey has landed his first major movie role.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
He will appear in the action comedy called Loose Cannons.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It sounds like sounds like goodfellas. Loose Cannons, what's that about?
Speaker 7 (16:57):
They're going to begin filming next year. Adam silver, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Adam Sandler has also confirmed Kelsey will have a cameo
in Happy Gilmore two.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
So Travis kelcey just got a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
If this were a different organization, Henry Wells and William
Fargo founded Wells Fargo. So my bad. I can't even
I can't sneak an eighty eight mile an hour fastball
past the show.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
Yeah, they're good boy.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
If this were the if this were like the Niners
or the Jets, you'd be like, this is a noisy
off season Travis kelce.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
All these Yeah, I wouldn't say that because you haven't
won back to back Super Bowls. You can be noisy
when you're part of your noise is lifting triumphantly. The
trophy for best team.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Is Travis kelce. I think his fortieth birthdays this week.
He's he's getting up there in age. Obviously he's not forty.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I can't get past the fact there was a guy
named Wells and Fargo. I still can't. I think that's fantastic.
I got called out by my own staff. I love that.
I just I know we talk a lot about is
there a guy named Sears n Roebuck. You guys do
some work on that.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Probably we make like a big deal out of the
ceed lamb as the single point of failure for the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
He goes down, like, listen, man, if they lose Kelsey
for I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Know, eight weeks, it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
This is really bla.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
They drafted a tight end a few years ago?
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Oh really did they?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Okay? By the way, according to the staff, Richard Warren,
Sears started Sears and you want.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
To keep doing this for the re just.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Kepenating businesses to seawitch kid, my mom had.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
A Seis and Robuck catalog as a kid. Yeah dope, Yeah.
Was there a guy named Hole and Foods? Who knows
mob food? They started it?
Speaker 7 (18:36):
So Cowherd is off the it's officially trouble type.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Let's get to Gardner Minshew, who is the name the
Raiders starting quarterback for Week one.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
That was big news in the AFC West.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
He beat out Aid and O'Connell AOC during that heated
battle in training camp. Minshew spoke this week about getting
the NOD, and he gave some insight into how he's
approaching the role.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I think anytime you step in there as a quarterback.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
You know, whatever the situation, you know, it's your team
at that point, you know, and you have to treat
like that. I think my role in NAPAs is gonna
be to make good decisions.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
You know.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
We have guys that are gonna get open, getting them
the ball, playing point guard and keeping us on track man,
because I think we got the guys that can make
our plays explosive, that can add on top of on
top of the play that's already there, you know, really
make it come to life.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Nobody named gardener. He looks like a gardener. No, no,
if you're if you're named gardener, you're gonna have facial
hair in a headband. There are no gardeners that don't
drive Harley's. There's never been one. He looks like a gardenerman, Shoot.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Doesn't he look like the kind of guy who delivers
you gummies from the nervous.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
He looks like the kind of guy that if you're
in the middle of Arizona your car breaks down, he
pulls up in a Harley and says, hey, you need
me to fix your engine? And you're like, yes, what's
your name? Gardener? And literally twenty minutes later you got
an electric vehicle.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
How far did you put the window down when you
were talking to him?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Just like a crab, tiny crack is He just looks
like a guy that would be helpful in a tight spot.
Gardner Minshew. I guarantee you he could be a mechanic
that sums up the raiders. Right there, there's a tight spot,
and he's gonna be helpful. I've told you before. Nobody
wants to admit this. If you go to his college
in pro numbers and this is not a shot because
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he's more than capable. His numbers look like Bakers. They
played the same offense in college. He just played at
Washington State, one guy at Oklahoma. Gardner Minshew can play
and Baker can play. He can absolutely play. There's no question.
Have you ever heard his story where he lives in it?
He lives in a little camper van down by the river. No,
I'm not joking. He lives that lifestyle. He's a fascinating guy.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Certainly interesting final story.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
NFC South, one of the weaker divisions in the NFL,
feels like every year the Bucks have won it three
years in a row.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Brady obviously was instrumental there Baker.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Mayfield thinks the division is on the up and up
and said, everybody wants to hate on the NFC South,
but it's a petitive division. We've got the projected win
totals for Baker here. If he cares about numbers, what
is it? It's badly competitive. Nine and a half is
the Atlanta win total. That was actually eight and a half.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It's been bet would take the under on the Saints,
the over on the Falcons. I think Tampa Carolina, are
you know? It feels right Atlanta's gonna win at least
ten games, and I think the Saints are seven and ten.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
You're not a Dennis Allen guy.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Huh, well, I mean that what's what's to be a guy?
It's that he's been at two spots and he didn't
know what metaphor meant. I'm concerned, I am, and I
got anohing right.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
I'm lurking there down in the basement.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
You think Carolina is good, Well it.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
Was four and a half, it's now five and a half.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
No, I think, well, if you go over their receiving
corps alone, like substantial upgrades. They guys that last year
were starters are now backups. Like it they should be
good Canalis. Yeah, they like offensive coach. People like him.
Kind of an impulsive owner.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Oh kind of yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I mean he's one of those guys that he's he gets,
you know, the owners in the I was just talking
to somebody yesterday about I'm not going to get into
the specifics one of the New York owners, and he
said he's gone a little off the reservation. He's gotten
a little crazy in recent years. First, well, I'm not
going to get into it. Just one of the New
York football owners.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Is just I doubt it's Woody Johnson doesn't feel like it's.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
It's oh fans, I'm telling you there are some wacky
owners out there.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Where do you think you to roll some of that
big money into the Town's wacky?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And I've thought before if I ever owned a team,
I never would, But if I ever owned a team,
I would have a relationship with my general manager and
team president. But it would be like, you guys run
the team. I'm gonna call you a handful of times
a year, especially before the draft or a big free
agent move. I'd like you to I would like you
not to ask permission, but let me just hear your pitch.
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I mean, if I'm going to spend one hundred million
bucks on a tight end, like sell it to me.
I'd want you to say things, but and I would
offer an occasional opinion, But I would never tell you
what to do. A lot of these owners are telling
people what to do.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
My first question to whatdy Johnson, what's your philosophy for
running an NFL football team? Because the Jets have had
no semblance of a philosophy. Since I'm ben a fan,
I don't know what they are and don't tell me, Hey.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
We're a defensive first team, Like what does history say
about that?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Right now? It's just can't the thing about defense? Defensive
players tend to get hurt more. They're also historically unless
you're like Lawrence Taylor, Aaron Donald, you get, you get
a little uneven performance. Cooper Cup gets open every time
he's healthy, like Pooka Nakou is going to have a
great career. Offensive teams, offensive coaches. If mcveigh's got Stafford,
he's gonna win games. If Peyton's got a good quarterback,
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he'll win games. Defensive efficiency, and you can't count on
defense outside of an occasional even corner Sauce Gardner. Great
may have an off year. It's just it's it's whenever
I hear they'll be led by their defense. That's like, oh,
so you won't win the super Bowl, but you'll stay
in game and it'll be boring.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
You'll run the football and try to win with defense.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Shamak with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
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heard line. I'm not sure if you were.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Done, but I'd had enough of that segment, so I
was just moving on. I love the fact that I
got called out by the team because it's the last
day I'm working for a week and a half, so
they're not letting me go easy. They're just taken shot
after shot. I make a Wells Fargo joke. Thirty seconds later, boom,
shut up radio boy. Ye thirty second I didn't get
I didn't get out of my mouth, and they were
already crushing me.
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Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. So we were
talking about this during the break. Is the worst week
to bet the NFL for a television person or a
radio person is Week one? First of all, you have
the least amount of information. Secondly, the lines have been
out now for a couple of months, so they've all
been carved up by all the sharps and the wise guys.
Once you get into the season, it's different. You got
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a couple of days to make your picks. There's always
one or two games that you just lose out on
because I don't make picks till Thursday night.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
I e.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Friday morning on this show. But I'm not going to
do a blazing five this year because I found over
the last last year, I went over five. Nobody plays
in the preseason. I have no idea what people are doing.
I mean, if you like a prime example, I told
J Mack is Denver's Week one game Bonux. I think
Bo's been great, but he has to play this whiz
defensive coordinator from Baltimore who went to the Seahawks, and
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they've drafted well on d I thought Pete Carroll. Nothing
against Pete, but I thought they should have been better
on defense for all their draft pick success the last
several years. So the line is Seattle minus five. I
don't know what it opened as. So Seattle is a
favorite by five. They should be. You have a really
sharp defensive coordinator. Here's bow Knicks as a rookie. It's
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in Seattle, if I recall, is it not? So it's
in Seattle. That's a tough spot for Bonnicks. The line
is five. It probably started closer to three and a
half four, but the wise guys have bet Seattle, which
by the way, is the side. And I love bow Nicks,
but that's a tough spot for a rookie quarterback. He's
like the Demico Ryans of this year, and Bo could
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see stuff he hasn't seen. You what's your take on that.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
So the analogy would be like, let's say that a
clothing store is having a sale, right and they say
doors open at nine o'clock in the morning, and then
you show up at seven o'clock at night looking for
the best stuff at this clothing sale. That's what Week
one gambling lines are. These lines have been out there forever.
That being said, I still think Seattle is the side.
Last year McDonald, the Ravens defensive coordinator, opened against CJ.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Stroud, who's great. CJ.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Stroud was sacked five times, could not move the football.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Ravens rolled. Now, the Ravens have better personnel than Ravens
did have better personnel.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
But again rookie on the road, Seattle's Luomenfield, which I
was at like three weeks ago. Place is gonna be noisy,
it's gonna be tough spots, so bo Nicks.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
So I think the side of Seattle.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I just went and place to wager there during the corper.
As I told you is I think the side San Francisco.
Trent Williams, Brandon AYUK. The Jets are getting how many
points on the.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Road, Well it's down to six and a half, okay,
So I.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Don't mind a cross country trip if you didn't have
a game the week before. So I mean Jets could
get out there three days ahead, do practice, get the
time zoned down. The Jets are absolutely the side on
that plus six and a half.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
So Trent Williams is not in camp I know. I mean,
I'm assuming he's staying in champus stuff. But there's a
world where he just shows up. He's like, eh, I'm
not ready.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I think.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I think.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So those are two games. I think Seattle minus the
points and the Jets plus the points. By the way,
I'm gonna throw one at you.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Wait, Okay, Sam Donald and the Vikings visit the New
York Giants in Week one. Vikings are currently favored by
one on the road. Kevin O'Connell, I'd like Vikings.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I'd like to see it. I'd pass.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I'd like to see is basically a toss up. But
I know you're a Sam Donald guy, but I just
like to see it first. I tend to believe offensive
coaches in Week one or two unveiled tricks. Remember last
year mcdag went to Seattle, came out with a brand
new run scheme, and Pete Carroll got caught totally flat footed.
Seattle was favored in that game and Rams dominated him
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from the kickoff. How about your Commanders getting three and
a half in Tampa rookie quarterback Oh no, no.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Dan Quinn has familiarity obviously with Tampa. He's played in
the NIT.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I don't like betting against Florida team's first weeks. It's
it's so hot and tamp has been practicing in it.
I think one of the more interesting games. This is
a really interesting one. The Falcons are favored by two
and a half at home against the Steelers. Now, Tomlin's
a great underdog coach. The problem is Pittsburgh has looked
awful in preseason, so I liked the Steelers initially getting points.
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Pittsburgh has looked worse than any other team in the league.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Arthur Smith revenge game the new Oca, the Steelers going
back to Atlanta where he was just canned.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Atlanta's the Events now has a pass rush in the
veteran safety.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
I'll just say I'd be careful going against the Steelers
here just because of the tomlind underdog's mind.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
You you know, I gotta take something that offense that's
the worst looking offense showing anything. Either's Denver and they're functional.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Bengals has swollen up to nine point favorites against the
Patriots in Week one, it'll be Jacobe game going on
the Road's the game in the jungle Cincinnati?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, if Jamar Chase is not in campus, he come on.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
I expect him to show and he's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Ready to play.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
I'm going up.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Against Christian Gonzales, a young cornerback who was at Oregon
awesome early than got hurt. The one that I can't
get my head around is this Buffalo six and a
half against the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Not touching that. Where's the game at in Buffalo?
Speaker 7 (30:17):
What's the number one PM start six and a half?
Buffalo was seven.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I take Arizona. I'll take Kyler Marie in Arizona. That's
what that. I may do blazing five just for that game.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
This Buffalo defense, no mimano, no no no.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I'm taking Arizona plus the points. That's a good bet.
I saw a Buffalo a few years ago got whacked
at home by Pittsburgh in the opener.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Get and then we obviously have to go with the
Friday night game, which I think is in Brazil, Philadelphia
Eagles two and a half point favorites over your.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Green Bay Packers. Oh, of course take Packers in the points.
How about this, Caleb and the Bears favored by four
and a half at home against the Titans. I'm getting
nervous thinking about that game. Be able to watch? I'm
too nervous.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Wait four and a half.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Huh that's a lot of points, quarterback, Well, listen, if
they win and cover, the hype machine is going to
be out of control for Caleb. God, I'm talking myself
into a Blaker. You're gonna be driving that bus too,
aren't you. Caleb, thirty to ten win in the opener.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Green Bay is getting two and a half neutral feed.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Nobody's as high on the Packers as you. Nobody. That's
your team. That's your team of musty team you. You
talk about Jordan Love every day more than I talk
about the Jets.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
By the way, that is America's team. By the end
of this season, Green Bale get better ratings than Dallas.
They're more fun to watch. That's not even arguable. Dallas fun.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Dallas could be a dumpster fire, that could be a
coach gone could be does not.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Be, may not be the most popular team in Texas by.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
The end of the year.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Texans, all right, Well, Jamick will see you tomorrow. It's
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So Greg Cosel's been working forty five years at NFL Films.
He joins us live. There's some Pleaseason stuff that's interesting.
I've said before there's one or two things that have
jumped out to me. So one of the things that's
jumped out to me is Bonnicks. I've seen you know,
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six seven drives. He just I mean, listen, you can
watch guys in any line of work and you go
that person knows what he's doing. It doesn't guarantee he's
gonna win twelve games. But I'm watching the kid move.
He was accurate, clearly, clearly, cognitively, he's in and out
of plays.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Fast.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I mean, what is your take on what you're seeing
with plus Sean Payton helps as well.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, And I think one thing you notice with Nix
is he looks very similar to what he did at Oregon.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
He looks in control.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
He's a quick rhythm thrower, not a big gun, but
he can run your offense. And one of the things
that maybe a lot of people Colin are not aware
of is he called all the protections at Oregon and
that is a big positive stepping stone as you make
the transition to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And actually, we just see this throw to Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
That's also an example of Sean Payton because what Sean
Payton does so well is he creates route combinations that
really define the reads and.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
The throws for the quarterback. So Nicks really only has
to read one defender.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
He doesn't have to go through a lengthy process to
figure things out, and that's where coaching comes into play.
But you're one hundred percent right. He looks like a
very comfortable quarterback. And the other thing I noticed he
was better in the second preseason game than the first.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
The first preseason game, he showed a little.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Bit of a tendency to break down too quickly in
the pocket, and guys that can move have a tendency
to do that, particularly when they get to the NFL
when the game's a little faster. Even though it's preseason,
the game's still a little faster. I thought in the
second preseason game he was a little more comfortable. But
clearly it's been a positive. But he looks like he
did at Oregon.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Uh Caleb Williams speaking of moving, we know he can
do that. You know. The criticism was he can be
a little bit of an ad liver. What have you
seen so far?
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I actually thought the first throw of the preseason, which
was third and twelve, was to me, his best play.
We know he can make that throw to a Dounsday
running to his left, and again, that's clearly special.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I'm not saying it's not special.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
But the first throw that he made in the preseason
on third and twelve, that was an example where he
looked to his right, he had to come back to
his left based on the coverage, and he read it out,
stayed in the pocket and delivered the ball to DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
There's learning plays as well, Colin.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
There was a play in this last preseason game where
the design of the play worked and he had Pettis
wide opened down the seam. But you know what he
did Williams, which he had a tendency to do in college.
He climbed the pocket for no reason. There was no
reason for him to do that, and he created his
own sack. That's a learning play. You want to see
those plays in the preseason. Coaches want to see those
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plays because then they can teach because don't forget, he
was sacked at USC.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Didn't have a great old line.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
We know that, but he was sacked over eighty times
in two years at USC, and many of those were
on him, not just the old line. So that's the
learning part that coaches want to see. It's not a
negative to say that. In many ways, it's a positive
because you want to work through those things in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Jayden Daniels I liked him in college. I like him.
Now what say you? What's what do you see?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Another guy that looks really really comfortable dropping back throwing
the ball, doesn't look to get out of the pocket.
I think what stood out because he played far more
snaps in his second preseason game, was just a ball
placement he was able and again these were not necessarily
long throws, but again it's the routine throws that you
have to make.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Kurt Warner talks about that all the time, and he's right.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You can't miss the layups in the National Football League
as a quarterback. So it's all about ball placement and
it has to be precise. And Daniels showed that his
last year at LSU. He's shown that early on in
these preseason games, and that's something you can take away
that has nothing to do with what the coverage might
be or if they're blitzing or not blitzing. You want
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to see a quarterback lay the ball. Look at this
throw that was in the first game, and I believe
the audible to that play. You want to see the
precise ball location because you just can't miss layups in
this league.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, Michael Pennix didn't play much. They sat him, They
made just they may just say, Greg, we just don't
we're going to We saw JJ McCarthy. We're sitting him down.
Is that worry at all?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Again, he played in the first preseason game and I thought,
again this is not an ex and no statement, but
Colin you've looked at quarterbacks like I have for a
long time. He just looked comfortable. He knew where to
go with the football. He did not play fast. He
understood the route concepts. He understood the coverage when it
was one on one working to the outside here on
the vertical route. He knew when to go to a
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checkdown within the timing of the play. He just looked
like a professional quarterback. Now he's obviously not going to play,
assuming everything is fine with Kirk Cousins, and I'm sure
through training camp in this first preseason game, they felt
they saw what.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
They needed to see.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But Pennix, I think, look, people kind of rip the
Falcons when they made that pick, but in their mind,
right or wrong, they now believe they've got the quarterback
position all taken care of for the next ten years.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So you know, Drake May had lousy footwork at Carolina,
the comp was hurt, and he made a couple of
plays last week, And I got to be honest with you,
he looked physically like Justin Herbert. He literally looks like him.
He's raw. How raw do you think he is?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I'm not sure he's at quite as raw as people
think he had a few things he has to clean up.
He tended to drift to his left in the pocket,
and that you have to clean up in the National
Football League because otherwise you create your own pressure.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
But I think that he's comfortable.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I mean, he came off some reads and went through progressions.
I thought, again, it's preseason, so we have to understand
what we're talking about. But you can still look at
a quarterback in a vacuum. You can isolate his play
without worrying about all the other things.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And he looked comfortable.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
He made a really good deep ball throw to Baker
that he dropped. He went through a progression on a
dig ball on third and six that looked very, very comfortable.
I got a chance to speak to some coaches at
North Carolina, where he played, and you know, they told me,
in their mind, there is no.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Bust fact at all with Drake May.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
That you have to know the kid, know the way
he works, know how he sees the game, know how
his teammates respond.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So I like Drake May.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I thought he was the toolsiest quarterback in this draft Colin,
because I got a chance to stand next to him.
I don't know if you've ever seen him in person,
I haven't, but he's a big dude, and that is
a trait.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
He six four five is a trait.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah. Even on that last play running into the m zone,
he looks like Justin Herbert to me. So I'm watching
the Steelers and now they've had some musical chairs because
of injury. But when you have when you have mobile
quarterbacks and they're hit ten times and sacked four, is
it the new OC? Is it injuries? That offensive line
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they looked out of sorts. I what am I supposed
to make of that? In Pittsburgh?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah, the on line was bad in this last preseason game,
particularly the right tackle Broderick Jones, who's the second year player,
who is a first round pick and he's got a
long way to go still. But but you're dealing with
two quarterbacks Colin and Fields and Wilson, neither one as
a pure timing and rhythm player. That's not their game.
So now you have to think about what you want
your offense to look like. Author Smith is there. There's
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going to be a lot of play action. I think
they'll be quarterback design runs. You can make the argument,
and I have no idea how it's going to play out,
but you can make the argument, since neither one is
truly an efficient pocket player, you can make the argument
that Fields ultimately gives them more because you're going to
have more of a quarterback run game with Fields than
you will with Wilson.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So again, we.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Don't know how it'll play out, but neither quarterback is
truly that kind of rhythmic player. So we'll see. But
you know, Fields look the same as he always does.
He just doesn't see it as quickly. Wilson the last
couple of years has not seen it as quickly as
you would like. So they're both similar when you talk
about their pocket skills, but Fields gives you more as
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a runner.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know, it is interesting that you can have so
many traits. Daniel Jones is big, he moves well, his
arm's fine, and he just makes mistakes. It always feels
like the Stingley interception. It's like, Daniel, you got to
miss that on the other side. You can't miss that
on the inside. I don't know how. It just doesn't work.
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And I know he's getting good coaching. I mean, what's
missing with Daniel Jones When you look at film, it's
that size, arm movement.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
No, I mean his performance was a little on even
in this last preseason game.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Obviously, he had the one reckless, undisciplined, probably stupid interception
that would went for a touchdown. The Stingley interception was
a really good play by Stingley. It was probably a
touch short. I thought he could have thrown that ball
with a little more trajectory. We're looking at it right here.
It probably needed a little more air under the throw.
They wanted to work on a very specific thing in
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this game. It was evident from the tape, Colin, and
that's what preseason is often for. They wanted to work
on their play action pass game with deep drops. They
wanted him to push the ball down the field, and
they wanted to see how they're O line would protect
because that's an issue for them, the old line. So
they wanted to work on something specific. But one of
the areas in which he's not very good, and I
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don't know if at this point in his career that
will happen, is he's not very good at pocket movement.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I'm not talking about running out of the pocket.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
He is athletic and he can make plays with his leg, yeah,
but he's not really a pocket mover. He doesn't really
evade rush and move within an area oh the size
of a boxing ring or a little smaller, and then
reset his throwing platform and deliver comfortably. That's an area
that ultimately you'd like him to really be good at.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
He just hasn't been very good at that, and that's
something he needs.
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Speaker 1 (10:49):
Sam Darnold, I think a lot of it has been
he doesn't and I think he's got the right coach
left tackle weapons. If he's ever gonna succeed, this is it.
It's also not great defensive division outside of Chicago. When
I think we both like Donald, if I said to you,
I've never seen him, Greg, what's his fatal flaw? Why
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doesn't it work? Because again, size, movement, arm strength so
much does.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I think Donald's one of those guys up to this
point that just doesn't see it as cleanly as you
would like. And he's fortunately in an offense under Kevin O'Connell,
who came from the Rams. He's also worked with Kyle
Shanahan where he does as good a job as any
of sort of that tree of coaching Shanahan McVeigh, that
tree of presenting a defined read and a clean throw,
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and that's what Donald needs. Look, Colin, every offensive coordinator
wants the first read to be the throw. We know
that the primary read to be the throw that doesn't
happen all the time in the NFL. I think Kevin O'Connell,
through his use of formations, motions, he'll do as good
a job as anybody that Donald's been around as a starter.
He was not the starter in San Francisco a year ago,
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but any place he's been with a as a starter
of presenting that for him, and that's what he needs
because he's really not a great progression reader. He doesn't
quite see it as clearly as you would like. So
you have to define it as best you can for him.
Because he's big, he can throw it. He's got movement,
just like you said, and you know him well from
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usc being at where you are, you know it looks
like he has everything you want. It's just that you
know he doesn't see it the way you want it.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Finally, you know I've said this Aaron Rodgers has taken
four snaps in five hundred days. The offensive line could
be good, but it's even they got a rookie. They
got old guys. And I said this, the last time
I saw Aaron in Green Bay, he wasn't as good
as Jordan Love is now he passer rated. I was
around Daniel Jones, and it's like, folks, he's forty a
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defensive coach, a suboptimal offensive coordinator, a new offensive line.
Is it very And I don't see him as a
top five or six quarterback anymore because I don't think
he's as dynamic as Lamar. He doesn't throw quite sometimes
like Stafford and Mahomes. I don't think there's a ton
left in the tank. I could be wrong, but four
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snaps in five hundred days. The last year in Green Bay,
he didn't fall off a cliff. But is it possible
that Aaron's not going to be the savior we think
and the defense will have to lead him.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, they do have a really good defense, but we
don't really know the answer to that. I mean, he
was not quite as mobile as last year in Green Bay,
and now he's coming off a really significant injury. It's
very possible that he may end up being essentially a
pocketing quarterback. Yeah, which means the offensive line becomes really critical.
Tyron Smith up to this point's been healthy. When he
was healthy last year, he still looked like a top
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five type left tackle Vera. Tucker's been healthy. The key
is that offensive line because the nature of that injury.
At his age, he's not likely to have anywhere near
the same mobility that he once had, and he didn't
have that even before the injury his year in Green Bay.
So we know he can still throw at kylein I
don't think we have any question that Aaron Rodgers, who
(14:13):
may be the best thrower we've ever seen. I'm sure
he still throws it really well, but I think the
nature of his game might change.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Greg Cosel forty five years NFL Film. What a pleasure
to see you again, Greg, as always, we will talk
soon and thank you all.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Right, Coyle looking forward to another year.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Thank you you bet. Oh look at this just breaking news?
Do you see this?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I did?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Is it in the update or you want me to
announce it? Go ahead, go ahead, it did very big news.
Sean Payton, officially only named Bonick, says the starting quarterback.
It's like naming Brady the starter in New England year five.
It's obvious he.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Narrowly beat out Zach Wilson. You didn't read that line
from the line on the copy.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That's pretty early the name of a starting quarterback.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
Oh, he was so dominant over the weekend they separated.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Congrats excellent talented backups, Jarrett Stidham, who's not cheap? Zach Wilson.
Those guys, those are way above average backups, way above
average backups. If you say so, you don't think Zach
Wilson's above average backup.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Well, I mean, unfortunately, I saw Zach Wilson for the
last what three years in New York, and he's definitely
I don't even know if he's a backup.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
In this league.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
I think he's gonna be slinging pizzas here in like
two years.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
How come on, come on, now, boneix.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
Your guy into a victory lap. Bring to Bick's jersey.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I don't wear jury.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
By the way, if the Jets beat the Niners on
the Monday night football game, can I wear a Jets
T shirt on Tuesday?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
You do it? Anyway? What's the point?
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Can tho seriously.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I don't make the rules here. I don't do wardrobe.
I don't make I don't call.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I thought I thought this was your show. Your name's
on the banner, bro, you're running the show.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The name. Do you think there's a guy named Wells Fargo?
It's just a name. I mean, it just doesn't mean
it's just a name on the show. It doesn't mean
I have any control over anything on the show. Budgets
don't handle controlling you forget it. Days off for staff, No,
say I'm out here. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Every day to the news before you get yourself in trouble.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay, but come what j mackwinn News.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Let's start with Travis Kelsey. He's got a budding acting
career now that he's got Taylor Swift by his side.
Kelsey already has a role in Ryan Murphy's new series
debuting next month, and he hosted SNL before.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
But now Kelsey has landed his first major movie role.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
He will appear in the action comedy called Loose Cannons.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It sounds like sounds like goodfellas. Loose Cannons, what's that about?
Speaker 7 (16:57):
They're going to begin filming next year. Adam silver, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Adam Sandler has also confirmed Kelsey will have a cameo
in Happy Gilmore two.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
So Travis kelcey just got a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
If this were a different organization, Henry Wells and William
Fargo founded Wells Fargo. So my bad. I can't even
I can't sneak an eighty eight mile an hour fastball
past the show.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
Yeah, they're good boy.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
If this were the if this were like the Niners
or the Jets, you'd be like, this is a noisy
off season Travis kelce.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
All these Yeah, I wouldn't say that because you haven't
won back to back Super Bowls. You can be noisy
when you're part of your noise is lifting triumphantly. The
trophy for best team.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Is Travis kelce. I think his fortieth birthdays this week.
He's he's getting up there in age. Obviously he's not forty.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I can't get past the fact there was a guy
named Wells and Fargo. I still can't. I think that's fantastic.
I got called out by my own staff. I love that.
I just I know we talk a lot about is
there a guy named Sears n Roebuck. You guys do
some work on that.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Probably we make like a big deal out of the
ceed lamb as the single point of failure for the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
He goes down, like, listen, man, if they lose Kelsey
for I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Know, eight weeks, it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
This is really bla.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
They drafted a tight end a few years ago?
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Oh really did they?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Okay? By the way, according to the staff, Richard Warren,
Sears started Sears and you want.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
To keep doing this for the re just.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Kepenating businesses to seawitch kid, my mom had.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
A Seis and Robuck catalog as a kid. Yeah dope, Yeah.
Was there a guy named Hole and Foods? Who knows
mob food? They started it?
Speaker 7 (18:36):
So Cowherd is off the it's officially trouble type.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Let's get to Gardner Minshew, who is the name the
Raiders starting quarterback for Week one.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
That was big news in the AFC West.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
He beat out Aid and O'Connell AOC during that heated
battle in training camp. Minshew spoke this week about getting
the NOD, and he gave some insight into how he's
approaching the role.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I think anytime you step in there as a quarterback.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
You know, whatever the situation, you know, it's your team
at that point, you know, and you have to treat
like that. I think my role in NAPAs is gonna
be to make good decisions.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
You know.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
We have guys that are gonna get open, getting them
the ball, playing point guard and keeping us on track man,
because I think we got the guys that can make
our plays explosive, that can add on top of on
top of the play that's already there, you know, really
make it come to life.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Nobody named gardener. He looks like a gardener. No, no,
if you're if you're named gardener, you're gonna have facial
hair in a headband. There are no gardeners that don't
drive Harley's. There's never been one. He looks like a gardenerman, Shoot.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Doesn't he look like the kind of guy who delivers
you gummies from the nervous.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
He looks like the kind of guy that if you're
in the middle of Arizona your car breaks down, he
pulls up in a Harley and says, hey, you need
me to fix your engine? And you're like, yes, what's
your name? Gardener? And literally twenty minutes later you got
an electric vehicle.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
How far did you put the window down when you
were talking to him?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Just like a crab, tiny crack is He just looks
like a guy that would be helpful in a tight spot.
Gardner Minshew. I guarantee you he could be a mechanic
that sums up the raiders. Right there, there's a tight spot,
and he's gonna be helpful. I've told you before. Nobody
wants to admit this. If you go to his college
in pro numbers and this is not a shot because
(20:20):
he's more than capable. His numbers look like Bakers. They
played the same offense in college. He just played at
Washington State, one guy at Oklahoma. Gardner Minshew can play
and Baker can play. He can absolutely play. There's no question.
Have you ever heard his story where he lives in it?
He lives in a little camper van down by the river. No,
I'm not joking. He lives that lifestyle. He's a fascinating guy.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Certainly interesting final story.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
NFC South, one of the weaker divisions in the NFL,
feels like every year the Bucks have won it three
years in a row.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Brady obviously was instrumental there Baker.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Mayfield thinks the division is on the up and up
and said, everybody wants to hate on the NFC South,
but it's a petitive division. We've got the projected win
totals for Baker here. If he cares about numbers, what
is it? It's badly competitive. Nine and a half is
the Atlanta win total. That was actually eight and a half.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It's been bet would take the under on the Saints,
the over on the Falcons. I think Tampa Carolina, are
you know? It feels right Atlanta's gonna win at least
ten games, and I think the Saints are seven and ten.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
You're not a Dennis Allen guy.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Huh, well, I mean that what's what's to be a guy?
It's that he's been at two spots and he didn't
know what metaphor meant. I'm concerned, I am, and I
got anohing right.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
I'm lurking there down in the basement.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
You think Carolina is good, Well it.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
Was four and a half, it's now five and a half.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
No, I think, well, if you go over their receiving
corps alone, like substantial upgrades. They guys that last year
were starters are now backups. Like it they should be
good Canalis. Yeah, they like offensive coach. People like him.
Kind of an impulsive owner.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Oh kind of yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I mean he's one of those guys that he's he gets,
you know, the owners in the I was just talking
to somebody yesterday about I'm not going to get into
the specifics one of the New York owners, and he
said he's gone a little off the reservation. He's gotten
a little crazy in recent years. First, well, I'm not
going to get into it. Just one of the New
York football owners.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Is just I doubt it's Woody Johnson doesn't feel like it's.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
It's oh fans, I'm telling you there are some wacky
owners out there.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Where do you think you to roll some of that
big money into the Town's wacky?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And I've thought before if I ever owned a team,
I never would, But if I ever owned a team,
I would have a relationship with my general manager and
team president. But it would be like, you guys run
the team. I'm gonna call you a handful of times
a year, especially before the draft or a big free
agent move. I'd like you to I would like you
not to ask permission, but let me just hear your pitch.
(22:54):
I mean, if I'm going to spend one hundred million
bucks on a tight end, like sell it to me.
I'd want you to say things, but and I would
offer an occasional opinion, But I would never tell you
what to do. A lot of these owners are telling
people what to do.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
My first question to whatdy Johnson, what's your philosophy for
running an NFL football team? Because the Jets have had
no semblance of a philosophy. Since I'm ben a fan,
I don't know what they are and don't tell me, Hey.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
We're a defensive first team, Like what does history say
about that?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Right now? It's just can't the thing about defense? Defensive
players tend to get hurt more. They're also historically unless
you're like Lawrence Taylor, Aaron Donald, you get, you get
a little uneven performance. Cooper Cup gets open every time
he's healthy, like Pooka Nakou is going to have a
great career. Offensive teams, offensive coaches. If mcveigh's got Stafford,
he's gonna win games. If Peyton's got a good quarterback,
(23:45):
he'll win games. Defensive efficiency, and you can't count on
defense outside of an occasional even corner Sauce Gardner. Great
may have an off year. It's just it's it's whenever
I hear they'll be led by their defense. That's like, oh,
so you won't win the super Bowl, but you'll stay
in game and it'll be boring.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
You'll run the football and try to win with defense.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Shamak with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
heard line. I'm not sure if you were.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Done, but I'd had enough of that segment, so I
was just moving on. I love the fact that I
got called out by the team because it's the last
day I'm working for a week and a half, so
they're not letting me go easy. They're just taken shot
after shot. I make a Wells Fargo joke. Thirty seconds later, boom,
shut up radio boy. Ye thirty second I didn't get
I didn't get out of my mouth, and they were
already crushing me.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
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Speaker 5 (24:40):
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(25:01):
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Speaker 1 (25:07):
Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. So we were
talking about this during the break. Is the worst week
to bet the NFL for a television person or a
radio person is Week one? First of all, you have
the least amount of information. Secondly, the lines have been
out now for a couple of months, so they've all
been carved up by all the sharps and the wise guys.
Once you get into the season, it's different. You got
(25:29):
a couple of days to make your picks. There's always
one or two games that you just lose out on
because I don't make picks till Thursday night.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
I e.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Friday morning on this show. But I'm not going to
do a blazing five this year because I found over
the last last year, I went over five. Nobody plays
in the preseason. I have no idea what people are doing.
I mean, if you like a prime example, I told
J Mack is Denver's Week one game Bonux. I think
Bo's been great, but he has to play this whiz
defensive coordinator from Baltimore who went to the Seahawks, and
(25:58):
they've drafted well on d I thought Pete Carroll. Nothing
against Pete, but I thought they should have been better
on defense for all their draft pick success the last
several years. So the line is Seattle minus five. I
don't know what it opened as. So Seattle is a
favorite by five. They should be. You have a really
sharp defensive coordinator. Here's bow Knicks as a rookie. It's
(26:20):
in Seattle, if I recall, is it not? So it's
in Seattle. That's a tough spot for Bonnicks. The line
is five. It probably started closer to three and a
half four, but the wise guys have bet Seattle, which
by the way, is the side. And I love bow Nicks,
but that's a tough spot for a rookie quarterback. He's
like the Demico Ryans of this year, and Bo could
(26:41):
see stuff he hasn't seen. You what's your take on that.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
So the analogy would be like, let's say that a
clothing store is having a sale, right and they say
doors open at nine o'clock in the morning, and then
you show up at seven o'clock at night looking for
the best stuff at this clothing sale. That's what Week
one gambling lines are. These lines have been out there forever.
That being said, I still think Seattle is the side.
Last year McDonald, the Ravens defensive coordinator, opened against CJ.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Stroud, who's great. CJ.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Stroud was sacked five times, could not move the football.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Ravens rolled. Now, the Ravens have better personnel than Ravens
did have better personnel.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
But again rookie on the road, Seattle's Luomenfield, which I
was at like three weeks ago. Place is gonna be noisy,
it's gonna be tough spots, so bo Nicks.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
So I think the side of Seattle.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I just went and place to wager there during the corper.
As I told you is I think the side San Francisco.
Trent Williams, Brandon AYUK. The Jets are getting how many
points on the.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Road, Well it's down to six and a half, okay,
So I.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Don't mind a cross country trip if you didn't have
a game the week before. So I mean Jets could
get out there three days ahead, do practice, get the
time zoned down. The Jets are absolutely the side on
that plus six and a half.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
So Trent Williams is not in camp I know. I mean,
I'm assuming he's staying in champus stuff. But there's a
world where he just shows up. He's like, eh, I'm
not ready.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I think.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I think.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So those are two games. I think Seattle minus the
points and the Jets plus the points. By the way,
I'm gonna throw one at you.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Wait, Okay, Sam Donald and the Vikings visit the New
York Giants in Week one. Vikings are currently favored by
one on the road. Kevin O'Connell, I'd like Vikings.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I'd like to see it. I'd pass.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I'd like to see is basically a toss up. But
I know you're a Sam Donald guy, but I just
like to see it first. I tend to believe offensive
coaches in Week one or two unveiled tricks. Remember last
year mcdag went to Seattle, came out with a brand
new run scheme, and Pete Carroll got caught totally flat footed.
Seattle was favored in that game and Rams dominated him
(28:45):
from the kickoff. How about your Commanders getting three and
a half in Tampa rookie quarterback Oh no, no.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Dan Quinn has familiarity obviously with Tampa. He's played in
the NIT.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I don't like betting against Florida team's first weeks. It's
it's so hot and tamp has been practicing in it.
I think one of the more interesting games. This is
a really interesting one. The Falcons are favored by two
and a half at home against the Steelers. Now, Tomlin's
a great underdog coach. The problem is Pittsburgh has looked
awful in preseason, so I liked the Steelers initially getting points.
(29:21):
Pittsburgh has looked worse than any other team in the league.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Arthur Smith revenge game the new Oca, the Steelers going
back to Atlanta where he was just canned.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Atlanta's the Events now has a pass rush in the
veteran safety.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
I'll just say I'd be careful going against the Steelers
here just because of the tomlind underdog's mind.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
You you know, I gotta take something that offense that's
the worst looking offense showing anything. Either's Denver and they're functional.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Bengals has swollen up to nine point favorites against the
Patriots in Week one, it'll be Jacobe game going on
the Road's the game in the jungle Cincinnati?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, if Jamar Chase is not in campus, he come on.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
I expect him to show and he's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Ready to play.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
I'm going up.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Against Christian Gonzales, a young cornerback who was at Oregon
awesome early than got hurt. The one that I can't
get my head around is this Buffalo six and a
half against the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Not touching that. Where's the game at in Buffalo?
Speaker 7 (30:17):
What's the number one PM start six and a half?
Buffalo was seven.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I take Arizona. I'll take Kyler Marie in Arizona. That's
what that. I may do blazing five just for that game.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
This Buffalo defense, no mimano, no no no.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I'm taking Arizona plus the points. That's a good bet.
I saw a Buffalo a few years ago got whacked
at home by Pittsburgh in the opener.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Get and then we obviously have to go with the
Friday night game, which I think is in Brazil, Philadelphia
Eagles two and a half point favorites over your.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Green Bay Packers. Oh, of course take Packers in the points.
How about this, Caleb and the Bears favored by four
and a half at home against the Titans. I'm getting
nervous thinking about that game. Be able to watch? I'm
too nervous.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Wait four and a half.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Huh that's a lot of points, quarterback, Well, listen, if
they win and cover, the hype machine is going to
be out of control for Caleb. God, I'm talking myself
into a Blaker. You're gonna be driving that bus too,
aren't you. Caleb, thirty to ten win in the opener.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Green Bay is getting two and a half neutral feed.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Nobody's as high on the Packers as you. Nobody. That's
your team. That's your team of musty team you. You
talk about Jordan Love every day more than I talk
about the Jets.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
By the way, that is America's team. By the end
of this season, Green Bale get better ratings than Dallas.
They're more fun to watch. That's not even arguable. Dallas fun.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Dallas could be a dumpster fire, that could be a
coach gone could be does not.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Be, may not be the most popular team in Texas by.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
The end of the year.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Texans, all right, Well, Jamick will see you tomorrow. It's
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