Hour 3 - LeSean McCoy joins The Herd

LeSean McCoy joins the show to talk about his time with the Eagles, how the Jets should handle Aaron Rodgers, and his thoughts on some of the best players not getting paid what they deserve

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Shady comes on the show Leshaun McCoy, six time pro bowler,
twelve year six playoffs. It's hard for him because he
has friends who are players in the NFL and Jmax
out here throwing fastballs, beanball at Jalen Ramsey and Cam
Newton and poor you go out and see Jalen Ramsey

(00:46):
and Cam. Can I tell you about Cam?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Though?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Cam drove me crazy as a player. He was never
as good as he thought. But I kind of like
him on his podcast Amazing. I like him on his
podcast a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
MVP Cam, Well, for sure, he's fun. He has that
type of personality.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
He's always had that right and uh, I think now
you get the hair from MVP. High sees the game, right,
high grades players. I like him, uh post football, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Think I do do and he and he always was
he kind of just sometimes I thought he kind of
went into cam world and it's like, yeah, you're quarterbacking
a franchise, But any be that as it may. So
I'm watching Hard Knocks and it really bothered me when
the owner Mara is sitting there with a GM and

(01:34):
they're talking about Saquon Barkley and the Giants. GM's like,
I don't know where he's gonna land, And I think,
if I'm the owner, all I know is this, I
don't want him in Philadelphia. That's not the answer.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's gonna go from a bad old line to an elite.
I think he's gonna crush this year.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Absolutely, you know what's crazy. So I was with Joe
and Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah, smart dude, really really good.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
So watching him now on the Hard Knocks, it's hard
for me because some of the things that he's saying
and that some of the movies making.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I didn't see that guy in Buffalo, right.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I seen Sean McDermot have a solid team, Brandon Bean,
have a solid guys around that know the game. And
when I listen to him talk, it's like they're playing
fantasy football. Brian Daball is one of the best coaches
you gonna find.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
That's why he's that good.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
That's why there was even a conversation about playing very well,
as far as a conversation about even paying a guy
like Daniel Jones any type of money because he's a
real awful player. But Brian Dabo was so good he
madn't look decent, right, And so when I heard the
conversations about Saquon, is like, we really in the world
where we're thinking about giving the keys to Daniel Jones

(02:42):
and letting our best player, o, our biggest identity on
offense leave and then potentially go to a rival team
with the Eaws. And now when you watch Sakon Barkley,
I'm good. First a lot of them guys over there.
I mean I did a golfing event with Saquan a
couple of weeks ago, and we're just talking about the game.
He was like, it's crazy being on the team like
the eas where everybody's really really good, right where he's
used to being all the focal point of offense, everybody's

(03:03):
worried about him.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Now he's on the team where he might not be
the best player.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
You got aj Brown, So now I think Saquans would
have a crazy year seventeen hundred yard.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
By the way, Shady, you can't put the safeties in
the box and go to Eagles, come on, because they
have two deep threats. Against the Giants, you could just
crowd the box and.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Then and another thing is the quarterback can run, right,
That's that's another thing you gotta you know, account for.
So I think Saquon's prot in my opinion, the most
talents is running back in football, the most talented. Yeah,
and then we look at a guy like DeAndre Swift.
We had an amazing year last year. Yeah, and then
I think that we did upgrade with Saquon so Magewell
year he's going to have.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
I mean, Scott's looking for the Eagles this year. I
can't wait to take.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
The audience through this. Though. You played with one, two, three,
four different offensive lines, well four teams multiple tell me
the you don't even have the name names you can
if you want. What's the difference from a running backs perspective,
going from the worst ole line you played, yeah, to
the best. How does the world change for you?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Oh man, I go, yeah, So my Eagles line when
I led the league in Russian was really, really, really
really good, right, and we all knew each other like
like for example, Okay, Jeff Stout was the line coach,
really really good for the Eagles and simplifying the offense
in the running game. So when we had guys like
Jason Peters, who's the best part I ever played with

(04:21):
aside from the quarterbacks, we knew on third downs we
going to his side, We're gonna do dual blocks.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
We're gonna block down or block up to the linebackers.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
We get a guy like Kelsey, right, Jason Kelce, I
knew how good he was.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Okay, so his thing was we want to get him
on the perimeter of the pool.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
So when you start knowing your gods what they do best,
it makes the game easier. When I went to Buffalo,
solid offense along, we had a guy like Richie Cognito, right, strong, physical,
You want to run powers with him, right, Eric Wood,
smart dude can get on the perimeter. Also he can
do power blocks guard right, So everything in this matters
when you know the scheme.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Will say it about the Giants though, yeah, it was
a bad team, not a lot of talent, but.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Running the ball, they were pretty solid. That the problem
was is that protection.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Right if we know you go and run the ball
every down from first to thirds, like, okay, we can
game plan for it.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, you know, let me ask you. There's here's a
I've said this about the Jets. We're paying too much
attention to Aaron Rodgers. First of all, last year there
were fourteen playoff teams, right, yeah, only one coach kind of,
Todd Bulls kind of was on the hot seat. But
it was the first Tampa year without Brady, so Todd
wasn't really on the hot seat. I think when a

(05:32):
coach is on the hot seat, they coached differently. So
forget Aaron Rodgers. Robert sol is on the hotest seat.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
You can make different decisions and games on that. The
second thing is the CBA now has limited twenty eight
to six padded practices. What it means is, I think
it hurts offensive lines early in the season. That's the
hardest unite.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
So we got a coach with Aaron Rodgers, who is
the hottest seat. We have an o line of three
new guys veterans, two of them who have fewer padded practices,
and nobody plays in the preseason. I don't think the
season's Aaron. I think it's how solid coaches and the
development of the O line with a forty year old quarterback.

(06:18):
So I think the new CBA years ago screwed up
old lines and the teams like Detroit that has a
great one they have come back or Philadelphia. Yeah, it's
a huge September October advtage. So I guess my point
to you is when you look at the Jets, do
you worry about forget just Aaron like protection Sala, did

(06:38):
you ever play on a team that had a team
a coach on the hot seat? Did you think they
coached differently and practice differently?

Speaker 3 (06:45):
So on a hot seat, man, like it's good and bad,
I guess because now it's.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Like I'm coaching for something where other coaches.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Okay, I got a couple of years to get my
thing together, feel myself through this thing where now I
gotta win now. But the good thing I think about
the Jets, right, And I know a lot of comes
this about Aaron Rodgers because to be honest, we haven't
seen him play in a long time, and then last
time we seen him play, he was not that good. Right,
That's that's whole right, was not that good in Green Bay, Okay,
and then then with the Jets he only played with
four players, So we don't know what Aaron we're getting. Right.

(07:14):
I think with the Jets they're in a good position
because I watched the Jets battle with really really good defense.
I watched Jets baller solid offensive play from the running game, right,
and I look at Breist Hall, who's I think is
phenomenal talent.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
So now when you look at it, they can run
the ball.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Well.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
They got some new wide receivers, right, not to Aaron
Rodgers homeboys, Right, you got some guys that.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Can really go out there and play. They're in a
good shape.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
And I think, I hate to say this, I think
they won the division if Aaron Rodgers is just see,
we don't need the MVP, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
We don't need that defense.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, it got defense.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I fel that the times with a rod was at
his best, he had to throw the ball, he had
to do he had to score, he had to put
points up.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well, with the Jets, you don't need to do that.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
The defense is solid enough up front, in the back
end and linebacker, they's solid.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
So now look at the offensive side. Some good weapons, right, you.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Got a good running game or a ron I need
to throw the ball forty times for them to win. Right,
So it may look different this year. I do think
they have a chance. I just want to see how
they look man when they start playing. I don't agree
with the sitting them out in preseason because I got
like Andy Reid, You're gonna play right now. You might
not play a lot, but I need to get you
having live bullets. You just tore your achilles a year ago,

(08:24):
right and now when the live busts are happening, A.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Coach can't stop the game.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
You can't stop the practice where if a guy gets
too close to blow the whistle or defend the nose,
if I get to close to the quarterback, I gotta
slow down. No, in a real game, I need to
see how Aaron Rodgers high moves. Okay, guys in his face,
slide to the right making pass or or the other
side so small that I need to see him play
because I just see what Aaron Rodgers were getting. But
I think they just have a solid team.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I want to show you the players, the top one
hundred players on the top one hundred list, So now Mahomes.
They've gotten through ninety players. Homes is gonna be number one,
and Lamar is going to be somewhere in the top
ten for sure. So so far, if the ninety players,
there are fourteen quarterbacks, they'll be two more sixteen. And
my take is basically the top sixteen guys means that

(09:13):
these guys, those teams are they got their guy. The
other sixteen probably don't. Is anything on this list, sorry
for the radio audience. Anything on this list so far,
anybody in a space you don't agree with.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
So the Jalen Hurts go yet he went.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Jalen Hurts is fifteen.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Okay, so this is act. This is active right here,
this is okay. I don't like the Aaron Rodgers on there.
HOW'SI on his list?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Ninety two? He's a fourteen. He'd have him as a
fifteenth best quarterback, but he hasn't.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
He didn't play last year. Okay, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
The area I think what jumped out to me is
the disrespect of matt Stafford. You're telling me he is,
he's gonna write number forty.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
So yeah, I like Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
So they said they have him as seventeen. That is
the eleventh or tenth best quarterback in the league.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, I don't like that because I got him in
my top three, he top four.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Did you see him yesterday NFC?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, yep, I said it looked good yesterday, Right, look good.
And the crazy thing is he's in my drag class.
We were talking about that that I went to their
camp yesterday. Whereas he's an A nine jack class like me,
and he still is good, lost weight, his arm looks strong,
he puts the ball in places that other quarters can't
do it. And then Trevor Lawrence. I'm not really big
on Trevor Lawrence all right, turnovers, turnovers. I mean it's

(10:22):
like when I ask people this question, I'm gonna ask
you because you're a brilliant guy. Right, what makes Trevor
Lawrence special?

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Well?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I have confirmation biased. So here's my problem. I saw
him play in high school. I thought it was the
best high school quarterback I'd seen for years, and I
loved him in college. So now he goes to the
NFL and he has a playoff win, but he hasn't
been good. So I fight the fact that I loved
him when I saw him at seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty,
twenty one, twenty two. I loved him so much. I

(10:52):
said he was the next Andrew Luck.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
That's what everybody's saying about it.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
That now is it distorting the reality because there is
one thing j Max pointed this out, that dude turns
the ball over a lot.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
And and you know what happens about this, Nobody really
talks about it. If it's Dak Prescott, we gonna talk
about it. I'm gonna talk about it. So I'm not biased.
I'm honest. Like when I watch Lawrence player, I don't
see it. At high school, he had a top high
school team, correct talented guys, guys going Division one.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Then he goes to Clemton.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I mean, god, they get all the top all Americans
from defense to office.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
You got all the best players.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
So now when the stage is set and we got
you playing against.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Elite versus elite, you don't look elite. You don't look
close to elite.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
And if you want to be technical, the best parn
of office is not him.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
So what we asked these questions about setting the market
up with the quarterback, the money they're making and who's
getting paid. It's funny that a guy like CD Lamb
could be elite. Let's say, Justin Jefferson's better than CD Lamb, Right,
most people.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Say that, but how much better?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
They're both or elite.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
So when it's my time to get an extension, I
should jump over him because I'm an elite player and
so is he. Well, you asked a guy like Trevor Lawrence.
You jumping over Joe Burrown these other guys? Why because
you play quarterback. I have a hard time with that
because there's a lot of great players that are not
getting paid their value or fighting for it because they
don't play quarterback.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
How many good tight ends can't get paid?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Come on, man?

Speaker 3 (12:15):
And Tristan the left tackle for Christian Worst. Now I
play with him as a as in my last year
with the Bucks. I remember we're in We're in the group, me,
Tom Brady, Mike Evans, like the offensive skilled players.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
He was a rookie. We were like, oh my god,
who is this kid?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
God took his time making him right right, And then
I look, and then I look.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
It was all probably thinks theokie.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
So then I look at now where they're saying that
the Tampa Bay and Tristan are far apart, and I'm
thinking like, if he played quarterback, he could come to
camp right, have a hat on, have a shorts on,
hanging out and then he knows the deal is gonna
be done because he plays quarterback and he'll have to
have to be e leak. So my question like my
telling my son, yo, make sure you the best, be
the best, be the greatest. Well, you don't have to

(12:59):
tell them I that now this play quarterback because you
could be good quarterback and make elaite money.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
It's crazy how it is now. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Uh, finally, any chance Justin Fields wins the locker room
and by week six or seven, Steelers lose two straight
and he surpasses the less popular Russell Wilson.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
That's a great question.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Everybody loves you to the very and they loved him
as a guy.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
That's a good question because he's young, he's younger.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Athletic, he's bigger, he'll run better. And again, players loved
him in Chicago and he was losing. Usually I don't
like the quarterback when they lose. People loved him in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
The only issue with him is I don't think he's
very good. I really don't.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
So as much as I like you, we get to that,
we get to the field, and I'm like, he's not
that good. For example, Russell's worst year with the Broncos,
that was pretty bad. If I told you that he
had a better year than Justin had his last year, would.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
You believe that?

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Because that's true?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Right, So I just as much as we like a player,
I mean, I just and he's younger, so I try
to give younger guys like more excuses and more chances.
But he's really not that good. I mean you'll watch him,
I mean I could. I mean you watch him play.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, he fourth quarters when the game's on the line.
If he's not leading, he's not winning.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I've watched him lose so many Another thing, I watched
his team fight and fight and fight to win the game,
and then he'll lose the game.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
He'll give it up, right.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
And then I just have a weird thing with Harve
State quarterback because they're always good. I can't name a
bad and college, right, and then it gets to the
league and like, wellj Stroud he's the only one is
he's the best.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
One by far, by far.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
He is great It's always a pleasure, always good.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Good to see.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Hey and Jake.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Please leave my guys alone. I'm tired of being your
lawyer defending you. By the way, Cam Newton, I told him,
I let him know.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
You know what, I would like to have Cam on
because I think I think he's a great podcaster, was
a good quarterback.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
He's promising podcaster.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
But do you want to tell him your backstory with
fields or is that not for on air?

Speaker 4 (15:03):
No, that's not fair, not fair.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
By the way, Quest Justin, I kept my gum secret
for twenty four hours.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Wait, I had my new gum.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I sometimes there secrets.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
in neon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
J Mack with the News.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Turn on the news. This is the herdline News of CDEO.

Speaker 7 (15:30):
For quarterbacks, Ain't O'Connell and Gardner Minshew battling it out
to be the next Raiders starting quarterback.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
Vegas had their first padded practice yesterday.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
Coward and Antonio Pierce had this to say about the
quarterback battle.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
I like to see again.

Speaker 8 (15:46):
I'm gonna keep saying that to somebody just taking say
I'm the guy EP make it clear and evidence, and
then we'll make that decision. At that point, you hope
that would stop now with pass a little bit more resistant,
But it goes back to number one. Thing is taking
care of the ball, putting the team in the position
to win, managing offense, understand the operational You saw some
situational stuff there yesterday. I think our guys are doing

(16:06):
a good job. Both quarterbacks have really embracing it. But again,
I'm gonna go back to it. Somebody has to just
separate from the other.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
You got money on either of these guys?

Speaker 1 (16:16):
No, No, that's the They're gonna be drafting quarterback AOC.
New England is going to have the first pick in
the draft and the Raiders will be second to third.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Well, Broncos.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
They're gonna win seven games, Panthers five to six wins five,
So I think Carolina, if you're I'm guessing today, New
England Carolina Raiders.

Speaker 7 (16:43):
And this is where it gets interesting with the Dak
Prescott thing, because it's like, where do you.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Slot Dak assuming he leaves Dallas? And it's like, well, listen,
if the Raiders have a top three pick. They're not
paying Dak Prescott.

Speaker 7 (16:53):
They're just gonna go ahead and drafted quarterback in the
top three, right, Like, the Dak market is way smaller,
I think than the general.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I think it's bigger than you think. I don't think
there's quarterback two in the market. I think the Dak
market is big. Who's quarterback two?

Speaker 7 (17:07):
Okay, Cousins at the market, it was like, okay, in Minnesota,
that's it.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well no, no, yeah, And he's gonna have at least too
because he's younger, just as good as Cousins.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
He's more athletic, but he wants the paper.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
And remember though it's a weak college quarterback draft, there's
one guy out of Georgia. Everybody like, what.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
About Shoud.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I'm I'm selling stock on that. Let's just say I've
sold a lot of shares on that stock.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
Really offloading your.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
If I'm gonna pick on Johnny Manzel and Baker for
what I view in Jameis Winston for some immaturity coming in,
which is a total turn off. Chadeur's got to scale
back on the you're a quarterback of a team team
we us I don't has he hadn't had a good
last six seven months, and they were awful at the

(17:56):
end of the year.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
It's fair right.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
Moving on to Sam Darnold, the front runner for the
Viking starting job following the exit of Kirk Cousins. A
week into training camp, coach Kevin O'Connell says JJ McCarthy,
the rookie out of Michigan, is on track for consistent
first team reps.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
Sam's really taking the majority of the one reps. JJ's
gotten some reps twos verse ones where he might not
be out there with the one offense, but he's certainly
seeing some of the things that will allow him to
start phasing into, you know, getting into the huddle. You
will at some point see JJ, you know, be consistently

(18:34):
maybe getting a little bit more one reps there. But
at the same time, I feel like Sam earned the
right to take the bulk of those reps early on.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Sam Darnold gonna pop this year.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
What if I told you the Vikings were my sleeper
in the.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
NFL, Well, I think they're They're one of the better overpicks.
Can we do that next week? We can do that tomorrow?
What days today? Wednesday? Yeah, how about we do that tomorrow? Alex,
I'm gonna produce the show live on here. Let's do
it over under segment tomorrow. You've got to come in
with two strongovers and two unders. Okay, well I got
my overs.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Vikings are I mean, you look at this offense and
the schedule.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Colin, No, there's a lot of ws there.

Speaker 7 (19:12):
You beat the Giants in week one and then it's
a little tough with San Franz Houston.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
But it starts to Packers Jetson.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I would say down the stretch, there's some doubs.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
That's where they're going to make up some ground late.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I just you also look at they played. They play
Detroit last week of the year. Detroit could absolutely be
resting starters. So that that's one of those games where
the last two teams they play now the week seventeen,
but in week eighteen, if Detroit's got a home playoff game,
they're not playing an older player. I'm gonna give running

(19:43):
backs time off offensive linemen. So that's a that's something
to think about.

Speaker 7 (19:48):
You look at Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Hockinson, like these
are real weapons. Look at their left Aaron Jones, Darris excellent.
The defense is going to be the big question mark.
I don't know if they have enough in the secondary
to slow down Goff and Love, but Brian floores we
like a lot as a defensive coach.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
Vike's are a sleeper. Nine wins. I think they could
get in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Nine's a lot of wins. Although Sam Darnold puts that
cape On is your guy, good things happen.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
Final story is to the NBA, where the Lakers haven't
really done much this offseason.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Remember they did draft Alton Connect and Brownie James.

Speaker 7 (20:23):
But on his podcast NBA Insiders, Zach Lowe alluded to
the Lakers acquiring Blazers forward Jeremy Grant, saying, should we
start printing the Jeremy Grant jerseys?

Speaker 5 (20:36):
I might order one. Sounds like Jeremy Grant to the
Lakers is gonna happen now.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
It would happen in early August, when some of these
contracts kick in and guys can be moved.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
He's a good number four on a on a great team.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
And he's the perfect three and d Wig. He's not
Jason Tatum or Jaylen Brown.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
He's expensive, but he's a He's he should be your
fourth best player now, with the Lakers, he'll be their third.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
You don't want Lebron guarding the opposing team's.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Best right now. I don't think he's a bad acquisition
at all.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
I like him.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
He's a little costly, but Portland's now got a youth movement.
He doesn't fit. They've got some wings, so they'll move him.
So you're telling me a d Lebron, But you know
what they're gonna want up there. I'm trying to think
what Portland would want a couple pa. I think they'd
want Ruey's size. I don't love.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
About partying with the Japanese Jordan. I love his game.
Man not giving up Austin Reeves, that's not happening.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
We know they don't need Austin Reeves. He couldn't make
the roster. Portland's got too much young talent at guard.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
They don't want.

Speaker 7 (21:31):
D'Angelo Russell obviously they have it, like you said, Scoot
Henderson and company in the backcourt.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Maybe Ruy Hachimore is there guy.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, I think they'd want size because they had their
guards are good.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
You and Nick surprisingly were a little lower than I
expected on the Lakers.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
I'm just continue to doubt Lebron, and we'll see if.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
He It's actually worked pretty well last couple of years.

Speaker 7 (21:50):
From me, they make the playoffs the last couple of years,
did lose to the Nuggets.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
But did they win a game? I forget this year.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
They won one last year?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
No, but I guess they played well. It's got close.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
You notice the eye roll. I like you just tossed
that in there.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
America's honesty broker. I can live in LA. I gotta
call it straight. When Ad and Lebron look like the
two best players on the Olympian team, be nice if
you can win a couple of playoff games. I'm not
asking for conference championship appearances. Just how about two playoff wins.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
That's a reasonable ask.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I'm always trying to be half full cow heerd. You
know I'm trying to That's who I am, mister optimism.
J Mack with the news.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
News Movie Poster Day. We do it once a year
as we rank the NFL divisions top to bottom. Live
in La the.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Hurt be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
Weekdays and Noone Eastern a em Pacific.

Speaker 9 (22:52):
Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball.
We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's
more about the stories of what made these people love
their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.
We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell
you stories.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
You download it, you listen to it.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I think you like it.

Speaker 9 (23:13):
Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Well, j Mac. We do Movie Day once a year
on the Herd. Americans don't go to theaters like they
used to, but I still promote the industry. And we're
gonna have eight divisions in the NFL. We're gonna call
this Collins Coming Attractions. Where I start at the bottom
and move up the worst divisions to the highest to

(23:42):
the best division in the NFL. And we think each
division is sort of emblematic of a movie poster. Some
of those movies are in the sixties, seventies, eighties, some
are more recent. Are You Ready to Play?

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Let's Rock and Roll?

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Lit? Colin's Coming Attraction. So bringing up the rear, the
number eight conference in the NFL One flew over the
Kirkkuh's nest. A KG veteran ratchets up the rebellion against
divisional mediocrity. Kirk Cousins and the Falcons are favored to

(24:15):
win the division by the way lowest win percentage by
any division. Last year, the Panthers had the worst record
in the entire NFL. So the great Jack Nicholson movie
is that.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
A musty opening weekend.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
One flew over the.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Not not really, but one flew over the Kirkku's nest.
Near the bottom. Number seven stroudy with a chance of meatballs.
The Texans stand out amongst other lofty prospects. Now, we've
had three different AFC South Division winners over the last

(24:53):
three years. But I think a lot of people feel like,
and they're not wrong, that is the youngest quarterback. Do
you know this in league history to win a playoff game?
Isn't that? I did not know that? Now I do,
all right? Number six NFC East dac to the future.

(25:18):
The NFC East future looks kind of like the past.
Philadelphia Dallas probably the best roster now, Cowboys, for all
the criticism, Mike McCarthy getz, they've won the Division two
times in the last three years. The Commanders have a
rookie quarterback. The Giants have a regrettable quarterback. Nick Siriani's
on the hot seat. I think they've upgraded coordinators in

(25:42):
LB fine, but it's still a pretty predictable week division.

Speaker 7 (25:47):
Back to the Future one of the great movies in
very good.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Number five AFC West Oceans eleven personnel chiefs of one,
eight division titles. They have all the loot. One team
holds all the loot, but there's an nocean of difference
between them Raiders in a rebuild. I think the Chargers
are better than people, suspect Denver. I like more than

(26:13):
the odds makers. But it's a rookie quarterback in a
defense last year that was bad.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
Yeah, bo Nicks on the movie poster behind ad no column.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Wow, so much for your Broncos.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Now right in the middle, the fourth best division killed Bill.
It's open season in this division now the old Master
has been eliminated. So the Bills have won four straight
division titles every single year since Brady left. Now the
question is with Buffalo, who does Josh Allen throw to.

(26:47):
There's the rookie from Florida State. They have nice tight ends,
new running back, but they've kind of struggled getting all
the pieces assembled offensively. But let's be honest, Josh Allen
has a kind of changed the division to the elite divisions.
Number three NFC West Weekend at Purties not bad. Is

(27:09):
he carrying them? Or is Brock carrying the team? Key?
They whatever? Niners have been noisy. Trent Williams, Brandon I
you contract disputes. They're also getting up there in age.
Kyler Murray's healthy Seahawks have a new coach. Rams look
very interesting, but the movie is Weekend at Purties. Now

(27:33):
the final two divisions the second best AFC North, the Afcvengers.
There's heroes assembled into one of the most difficult divisions.
There is the only division to have all four teams
with a winning record. I don't know what to do

(27:54):
with Cleveland. I like their talent, but you know, I've
got my issues with their core.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
I think you're too hung up on that.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
And number one division in football Top Guns high flying
aerial combatants put on a spectacular show. Jordan Love, Rookie
Caleb Williams, Jared Goff and the very capable Sam Darnold

(28:21):
with GJ. McCarthy in the off.

Speaker 7 (28:24):
Of course they have a Tom Cruise movie at first,
because if your love for him and Mission Impossible.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Have you not watched every Mission Impossible?

Speaker 5 (28:32):
I think I have that.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
They're great.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
They're a top gun or Madverick.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I always think it's a bummer that we can't give
like Jason Bourne or like we don't give the actor
credit when you get these because they're like, you know,
people look at them and think, well, they're action movies.
Mission Impossibles and the Bourne Identity series are spectacular movie making.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
Oh my gosh, I've show my kid all the Born
well my kids, including my daughter, all the Born movies
already there must see for kids, Like I kind of
fashioned myself as something of a Jason Bourne, you know,
if I need to.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Did I ever tell you my Matt Damon story.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
That where your wife said, hey, there's Jason Bourne.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I went to a UFC fight. Yes, yes, yes, Data White,
come me good tickets the second row. My wife had
never been, and she goes, and you know, Damon goes
to a lot of those fights, and he's wearing a
Red Sox cat He's in the first row, and my
wife just freaks out and just like looks and goes,
oh my god, there's Jason Bourne and Matt Damon turns
and looks and smiles at me. I'm like, sorry, day, He's.

Speaker 7 (29:34):
Like, what, That's not supposed to happen in these expensive seats.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
I'm not supposed to get the Jason Bourd out of here.
You really think that's the best division in football?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Huh, Well, it's an offensive league, and I think if
Minnesota is the fourth best team in that division, I
think we both think their offensive personnel is really uniquely good.
So I think I think they could win eight games.
You see him as nine, ten, eleven. I think Minnesota's
gonna win eight games and probably finish fourth. But I

(30:03):
would not be shocked if they're battling for a wild
card in Week fifteen.

Speaker 7 (30:06):
Well, if nine wins in the NFC probably gets you
to the playoffs, probably AFC.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
No. I think if if you don't win ten games
in the AFC, good loss, it's gonna be tough. But
I do think you can get in with nine. But
I will say if Washington and Chicago's rookies are good.
The NFC for the last three years has clearly been
the inferior conference to the AFC. That's indisputable. I still

(30:33):
think the AFC is better, but the Rams rebuild is over.
Green Bay is good, Detroit's really good, and Philly and
the Niners are both still excellent. I'm still only five teams.
I'm just saying, yeah, your top five is good. Now
the AFC is better and has more depth. They're seven, eight,
nine tens better, but the top I mean, I could
argue the two best rosters in the sport or San

(30:55):
Francisco and Philadelphia, and those are both NFC.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yeah, something's going on with Dallas.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
I mean you and I I both have them outside
of the playoffs, yet their favorite in like thirteen of
seventeen games, which there's a bit of a disconnector. I
don't know what to do with Dallas, But are they
one of the top sixteens in the NFC. They've won
twelve games three years in a row, right, like.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
What I think they're Here's the thing. If I ask
you this question, does Ceedee LAMB play every week of
the season. If the answer is yes, then they can
be a playoff team.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I think they do that.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
They are spectacularly, inarguably overwhelmingly dependent offensively on Ceedee Lamb's
staying healthy. They are thin at running back, thin at receiver.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
Hey Amara, Saint Brown goes down for the Lions, there's
a big drop off him.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
And I think Khalif Raymond is there.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
No, no, what about Jamison, He's never healthy.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Jameson Williams like he runs like one route.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
He's good on tight end. They have the best old
line game. Dallas is like it's cross your fingers.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
You think they're in deep trouble.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Huh, Well, I think they're just so dependent on one
offensive player. Dak's history is if he throws forty plus times,
they're not a good team. So you don't want to
have Dak in the forty three forty four throwing a game. Well,
they have the worst running back room all week.

Speaker 7 (32:12):
So the defense can carry the Remember they bullied teams
last year. That defense swarms. Diggs is coming back. Bland
looks good like the defen and I know they lost
dan Quinn, but I don't know it.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
May I feel like we're writing off Dallas too early.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I'm not writing them off.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
You haven't in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
No, so you wrote them off, Well, well, I still
I still have two opportunities. I have two predictions before
that's right, that's right, And next week I'm gonna do well,
we'll see. But tomorrow we're doing the over under come
up with a catching fame for it. Huh, you got Denver.
And I'm not going to get into particulars. There are
two teams I'm selling too, I'm buying. I want your

(32:50):
two and two two and two tomorrow. All right, nice
show thanks to Nick right shady. It's the Herd.